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[–]1favours_of_the_moon1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It is very noble to live a life of service to others.
However, there are people who will disrespect you for that. These are people whose egos are so inflated, that they will view your devotion to service as a function of their own power.
So be of service to those who appreciate you. As Aristotle said, when you have plenty for yourself, you can afford to be MAGNANIMOUS to your friends. And brothers.
[–]Sumsar014 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Giving and being a servant is not the same. Giving is the ultimativ abundance mentallity. Think about it, the only things that are truely free are what is worthless to someone.
The problem is that most people dont give. They do things because they expect something back. Which is not giving, its needy.
And remember sometimes the servant is the master, just think about Bismarck.
[–]circlhat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't be like Tesla , be who you are, relationships are suppose to be beneficial to all parties , walk away from a bad deal
[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Aww. I kinda miss that self-righteousness I too used to feel, pre-redpill. That sweet sweet feeling of being morally superior to others because "I am NiceTM to my fellow human beings". That awesome delusion that the world is a dichotomy of good people and bad people and to believe I am in the right subset! Damn I miss it a lot, actually! That positive feelz was probably the one good thing about blue pill indoctrination, and was definitely the last blue pill ideal I clang to until my constant witnessing of the cold hard reality of Human Nature through those Red glasses finally completed my unplugging...
Enjoy that great feelz while it lasts, Neo. The red pill will erode that shit slowly but surely.
[–]sunsetriser 1 points1 points1 points 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Lol. I'm far from a nice seeming person. Also far from self-righteous but if you're inadvertently admitting that you perceive me to be righteous, that is interesting. There was a time when I was blue pill and that very much coincided with a self righteous phase, no doubt.
My fellow Neo, I assure you that any good "feelz" associated with an ignorant blue pill mentality were shattered and inverted in my life on multiple occasions via various personal crises throughout my lifetime thus far.
Your presumptuousness is a standard response, likely indicative of how most readers of this post will feel according to their level of understanding. I was aware of that when posting this but shared it despite the probability of unwelcoming feedback.
[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Ouch. I thought you'd be an interesting person to debate the limitations of morals under a red pill lens, but apparently you can't take an opposite view point for its interesting content and resort to name-calling instead. OK let's play.
Don't play the blind man. Your post drips with self-righteousness:
Do you want to be a dark triad peacock or a MLK? Do you want to be a Donald Trump or an Albert Einstein? Would you rather be a fearsome dictator or an anonymous philanthropist? The is choice is yours and neither is "wrong." The direction of one's ambition belongs wholly under the direction of their own autonomous will. I, for one, am striving to prioritize purpose and meaning, and dare I say it, even forgiveness and humility.
Do you want to be a dark triad peacock or a MLK? Do you want to be a Donald Trump or an Albert Einstein? Would you rather be a fearsome dictator or an anonymous philanthropist? The is choice is yours and neither is "wrong." The direction of one's ambition belongs wholly under the direction of their own autonomous will.
I, for one, am striving to prioritize purpose and meaning, and dare I say it, even forgiveness and humility.
aka: "do you want to be Hitler or Gandhi? You can be whatever you want, no judgement... But I, for one, am striving to be actually a decent person...". Hahaha! You smug little shit!
Also far from self-righteous but if you're inadvertently admitting that you perceive me to be righteous, that is interesting.
That is idiotic. If I tell you that "you sound self-righteous", it absolutely doesn't mean "I perceive you as righteous". It means "you sound like you feel morally superior", which definitely doesn't mean that "I perceive you as morally superior". If anything, it means that I perceive you as a dangerously complacent individual, just like some feminists can state "kill all white males" without losing for a second their grandiose sense of personal superior morality.
That'll be all for my condescending repartee to your condescending answer to my (admittedly) condescending comment.
Now onto actually discussing the topic, in case I can finally get you interested to discuss my challenge of your views:
My original comment was to call you out on the fact that all these altruistic characteristics you are advocating for are quite typical of a blue pill ideal, especially when you bring them to light through the strong false dichotomy fallacy (DT peacock or MLK? Trump or Einstein? Dictator or philantropist? Can't I be anything in between?) that is typical of the blue pill indoctrination tactics.
If anything, the red pill would teach one that crime does pay. Nice guys do finish last, while serial murderers in jail receive love mail. Get your obese GF in shape and see how fast she leaves you to upgrade now that she can. Why so? Because such is life, ruled by the Law of the Jungle and the Survival of the Fittest in some grand scheme where Selfishness is everywhere and Fairness and Justice are nowhere to be found. Human life is likewise ruled by the 48 Laws of Power. The more selfish you can act without being called out on it, the more you'll benefit. The US went for selfish Trump over altruistic Bernie. Try getting ahead in politics without lying. Try surviving in business if you like to give your competitors a leg up. Reciprocated Altruism only exists because human beings, like many other species, has a brain that is hard-coded with a variant of a tit-for-tat strategy. Give some nice tats to people and receive some nice tits in exchange. But people are still selfish at heart. Let altruism get to your head and tell them that you'd give them some nice tats no matter what they give back, and see how fast they'll stop giving you some in return.
Please, by all means, be good/nice/kind/altruistic by principle. After all, it does make one feel sooo good about oneself.. (even if it does you disservice in the long run). I, for one, will continue being altruistic when it serves me and be selfish the rest of the time.
[–]InBaggingArea0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
"Clang"?
Bit of clanger that.
Boom boom.
[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
darn. It appeared my finger ripped an entire keyboard length. Or I'd better revise the grammatical conjugation of English irregular verbs...
[–]InBaggingArea1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
On behalf of England, let me apologize for our ridiculous irregularities.
[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As a Frenchman, let me congratulate you for having so incredibly few of them.
[–]InBaggingArea0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol. Ah, the French. How could we complete? I freely concede to my superior.
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
555 - Beta male, altruistic, unselfish.
666 - Chad Thundercock, IDGAF, Machiavellian, lone wolf.
777 - Amused Mastery, successful LTR, Captain, leader.
We aren't binary on the Red Pill.
You begin as beta then diverge into different paths and achieve different levels of improvement.
One cannot have a successful LTR without 777 thinking.
However... Chad Thundercock doesn't care because he fucks and runs and never endures any consequences. (so he's doing fine)
Chad Thundercock fucks and runs from consequences... This may appeal to some but isn't the right fit or appealing to everyone.
Neither is the approach that my post posits either, of course.
My post clearly isn't targeting LTR success. As stated, the ego is a useful tool to use with basic red pill principles, particular when it comes to sacking a chick. My post simply suggests that being supportive of each other in an altruistic way is advantageous to all.
You list three narrowly defined categories of male type followed by claiming to not be "binary". That's about as close to hypocrisy as it gets. Alpha and beta are behavior and mentality attributes, not fixed human organism categories.
One's persona can have an intelligent distribution of Machiavellinism, altruism, and amused mastery characteristics. It is our choice as to which we favor in which scenarios.
[–]NeoreactionSafe0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My point was that at the higher level (777) of Amused Mastery with a relationship based on masculine polarity you are somewhat altruistic, but not in the naive way that a beta sees it.
The Captain of a ship cares about his crew.
But if a shipmate misbehaves badly enough he will get thrown overboard to be eaten by sharks.
The Captain demands respect... but in return gives Comfort to the obedient. (and only the obedient)
[–]1nonthaki0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I am not trying to actively bring women into this topic but i still Wonder how many women are like that i.e. truly not calculating and not selfish with all the buddies and in the friendships with their female friends.
80% of the friends we have stay around for only a few years but I still agree friendships amond men are nowadays more valuable than relationships with women . But how could you insult Trump as though he is a misanthropic dictator ?
Also , almost all the girls we get are Chad's leftovers and there is nothing honourable trying to save the life of girl who is already a mess even if she is hot. Thats just foolishness, unnecessarily taking risks or playing with fire .
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