Explanation is not Justification

burningtimber · 2013-03-09T21:15:49+00:00

Whatever our biological and evolutionary dispositions might be, and no matter how deep they are, have we no ability to say “this is not how I think a civilized person behaves?” or “I think it’s good to encourage kids to adopt more flexible gender roles?”

With regard to the "civilized person" shaming, seems the author wants to condemn something, but he's not explicit about what. Rape is already illegal.

Now if you take his words literally, they mean condemnation of anyone who differs from the norm. In other words, the average civilized person watches lots of TV. I don't watch it. Therefore my behavior is not how a civilized person behaves.

If you take it more idealistically it means he's accusing someone of not living up to his standard of civilization. Fine, Steve; set your standard down in black and white. Let's see if it makes any sense.

As to the flexible gender roles, sounds like trying to force masculine behavior on girls and feminine behavior on boys. A plan which really needs no comment on this forum.

But why does this "bleeding heart libertarian" so smoothly offer up "flexible gender roles" as a good thing? Sounds like exactly what he's accused of, status-seeking; smuggling in a feminist viewpoint to make himself look enlightened.

redpillschool · 2013-03-09T19:55:26+00:00

Sexual strategy is amoral and requires no "justification." So long as you're not infringing on somebody's legal rights, the argument against evolutionary psychology as justification is the equal argument against not embracing evolutionary psychology as a justification for itself.

TDCRedPill · 2013-03-09T20:56:52+00:00

If Im understanding this argument correctly, Steve says that avoidance of our socialist tribal behavior towards capitalism is an example of a good result of denying our innate behavior, while feminism is also denial of our innate behavior, and he sees it as a contradiction to allow people to deny feminism because of evo psych while there exists a great example of positive things from denying other behavior.

I think I may see where he and I have differing opinions. I don't consider feminism to be a behavioral denial. It's the removal of all restrictions against any kind of behavior, leaving the women in question the freedom to do exactly what they wish at any given time with no consequence or responsibility for their actions. It's the perfect behavioral enabler. Some may argue how much of those actions are driven by behavior versus their own rational mind, but I think we can all agree that it's the women herself who makes her choices, with severely reduced responsibility from pre-feminist eras. The heavily religious and monogamous society that created society and made extinct all others who couldn't keep up IS the behavioral-curbed, moral state that builds societies. Feminism removes that, back to a innately behavioral state, yet leaves the societal restrictions on men as well. We're supposed to be tied and restricted by the system, while the ties are removed from the women.

telnet_reddit_80 · 2013-03-10T00:29:40+00:00

"Literally rape" is the new "think of the children" panic.

Title	Explanation is not Justification
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Date	March 9, 2013 7:47 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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