A lot of my success with women has come from social circle game for the most part but lately I have thought about branching out. Just wanted to ask this question about the bar scene or even the club scene that has been bugging me.

First, what is a quality same-light lay? It is a same-night lay (you have sex with a woman the night you meet her for the first time) that results in you getting with a reasonably good looking woman. Doesn't have to be a 9 or a 10 but is at least a 7.

So I tend to observe a pattern. Girls at the bar that are desirable or hot usually come with a crowd of guys, make out with the guys they enter the bar with, and leave with those guys later on in the night.

Now something else I have witnessed is that the few times I have met guys a the bar and seen them pull or get a makeout, it has been with girls clearly below their league. I am talking a tall, muscular, and handsome guy making out with a 5 at the end of the night.

What I have wondered is if guys get quality lays from hitting the bar scene and approaching women they don't even know.