TL;DR: A discussion on reproduction strategy, maybe you do want kids. Red pill is about sexual strategy, apart from the fun aspect of banging sloots, you can also produce offspring which are genetically yours, and your only ticket to a future you after you are old/ dead.

Firstly, let me get this out of the way from the beginning. This post is not for those of you who do not want children, it is for those that have children, or who think they may want children. I am NOT trying to encourage those of you who do not want children to have them. So please do not bother with "don't have kids, you will lose them and get divorce raped", "it is impossible to have kids safely as there are no unicorns", "just use a surrogate or adopt". If you are so sure that you are never going to have children then please post "I had a vascectomy, that is how damn sure I was that I will never want kids!!" and I will be the first to upvote you.

Now onto the discussion. I am really hoping for lots of comments from Red pill men who have children, and lots of questions from red pill men who may want children.

For starters I have two children, so this is not theory for me. Second, my ex wife and I are now divorced and we share custody equally, but I have had greater access since the divorce. Having kids is by far the best achievement of my life. I am financially very successful, have achieved many personal milestones, been with stunning women etc. but nothing comes even close to the satisfaction and joy that those kids bring in to my life.

I have a previous post, "Maybe I do want kids or an LTR" which I will review and repeat in this post. What I hope this post will do is extract some comments from our members who have kids, and provide some guidance for those that want kids.

It is hardwired into us to have children, men and women, this is our biological imperative. That is why our brains flood with neurochemicals and produce a feeling of euphoria during orgasm. That is the reward for engaging in sexual activity. Your whole mind and body is craving for you to reproduce. Your genes "want" to be copied and passed on. Without reproduction, any species becomes extinct.

Humans who live in the modern era have contraception which allows most of the fun of sex (let's face it, sex with a condom really is a shower in a raincoat) but without the offspring. However as those of us in the red pill know, having children in the modern era is fraught with danger. If you marry a woman you are effectively giving her a power of attorney to cheat on you, paint you out as the perpetrator, divorce rape you, abduct your children and take half or more of your stuff.

Is it possible to have children and still adhere to red pill strategy? I hope that some of our members who have children can contribute to this post with some comments for the benefit of our other members. For my part, I would say that yes you can have children and remain red pill, but that is the red pill on insane mode. If being married is red pill on hard mode, try and add one or more kids into the mix with the ever present risk of her cheating, getting bored, moving on or just making your life hell. Even the best captain/ first mate relationship is going to have difficulty keeping that ship afloat.

If you decide to take the plunge and have children you are going to have to enter into an LTR. At this stage I do not even want to touch the discussion on surrogates mothers from overseas or adoption. For me the idea of raising someone else's DNA is blue pill and the idea of using a surrogate is expensive, fraught with danger and impractical, after all a kid needs a mum just as much as it needs a dad. All a woman needs to be a single parent is a turkey baster and some donor sperm, a man needs: a fortune, a compliant legal system in one or more countries, plane tickets, a willing woman with good genes, a lottery on what mental physical problems your child will have, doing it without state support etc.

So how on earth do you enter into a relationship with a woman and have children in this era of state sanctioned divorce rape and child abuse? (by keeping the father away from his own kids 12 days out of every 14). Well you do so at great risk and by taking all proper precautions.

For me it is like a special forces military operation where command tells you before you embark on the mission that you have a 50/50 chance of coming out alive. This is not hyperbole, it really is that bad. All the stuff you have read on this sub, hypergamy, AF:BB, AWALT. Sorry guys it is all true and you are about to stick your precious seed into one of those monsters. So the undertaking is risky but you can tilt the odds in your favour and increase your chances for a good or satisfactory outcome.

Onto some points from my previous post, with some refinements, for those of you wanting to consider this most perilous, but rewarding undertaking. I have reconsidered and updated many previous points.

*SELECTING A PARTNER

Easily the most difficult of all the steps involved. Hell in our western culture you could spend a lifetime screening women and not find someone suitable. So we do the best we can do, play the cards we have been dealt, and look at the situation realistically. The most important thing is to find a girl with as few red flags as possible and no red flag deal breakers. She will always have some red flags, there are no unicorns.

Some red flags should be regarded as deal breakers.

1) ridden the CC for too long

2) drug/ gambling/ alcohol addiction

3) Previously dated dark triad

4) financially reckless

5) emotionally abusive

6) pathological liar

7) Alpha widow,

8) High previous partner count. Remember that if she admits to seven then it is at least 14, probably 21, possibly 42.

If she has 3 or more red flags or 1 of the deal breakers above then she is not LTR, wife, child bearing material. However, if you screen a lot of women or get extraordinarily lucky, you may find a girl which only has one or two red flags and no deal breakers. These are the ONLY women you should consider for an LTR, wife or child bearer.

A side point which will make your prospects of keeping the relationship alive longer, but reduce your sexual pleasure in the relationship (there is always a trade off), is to LTR a girl who is two or more points lower than you in SMV. Please mark yourself hard as well, we are not all tens. This is not crucial, but for the purposes of having a good long term relationship and a good environment for your kids then a woman with lower SMV than you is less likely to cheat. It is just obvious. If you are unable to make this compromise, I get it, but adjust the difficulty setting by 25% for every point above HB7.

  • AVOIDING DIVORCE RAPE:

Do your research. Know as much as you can about the family law in your jurisdiction. If there is no presumption of common law marriage then don't get married, just impregnate your LTR partner. Also make her carry her weight during the relationship. If she contributes half with work/ domestic duties then it is half her stuff anyway. Do not get her pregnant if she is not taking care of her end of the bargain.

If pre-nups are effective in your jurisdiction then get one. Pre nups can be overruled, but if you have more money than her, then it is still worth getting one. Better to have some protection than none.

Be as red pill as you can be. Keep fit, be a better option that other guys. Run low level/ passive dread. You should not have to run dread that hard if you are at the top of your game. All red pill rules apply, obviously (this is TRP) be as alpha as you can be. You are the man, you are the leader. This is what she wants, if you are a good leader, you make her cum, you make good financial decisions, you keep good company, you keep in shape - then she will be happy and will stay with you for longer.

You will be happy because she will wake you up with blowjobs, stroke your ego, do most if not all of the housework. She will back you up even if you make the odd mistake (you are not perfect and you never will be). She will contribute financially or support you with your mission. She will be a better mother to YOUR children if you are a strong leader. Leading is YOUR job. The minute you let her dominate or make major non domestic decisions, you have gone beta and she will be gone because that is what you deserve. She does not want to lead. If she does want to lead then you have picked the wrong woman or you have gone beta.

Never forget your mission. You must have your shit sorted. Make sure you own your own business, or you are at the top of your game in a job you like or even better love. This may be the hardest part of all. My advice, get a degree or additional training. Get promoted or be your own boss. Never stop learning, expanding your craft/ business. Work hard until you make it. If you are unhappy in your job, leave. Make your mission the golden thread of your life.

  • HOW TO AVOID LOOSING YOUR KIDS:

First and foremost BE THE BEST FUCKING DAD YOU CAN BE. Spend as much time with them as you can. Teach them things, be their rock, PLAY with them. Kids remember who PLAYED with them, not who disciplined them. Give them your time. One thing that I can promise you is that no-one will ever truly love you the way your kids do. You will never be perfect, just be the best goddamn dad and person you can. If you followed the rules and did not pick a woman with too many red flags then she will not want you out of your children's lives and the courts will give you better access or joint/ dominant custody.

Yes the courts have a bias towards women but they have an even bigger bias towards the rights of children. If your kids worship you, and you have not been a total douche to your now ex-partner, then neither her or the courts are likely to want you too far away from your kids. There will always be exceptions, your ex may act like a douche out of malice, you may draw a bad judge, but the best you can do is minimise your risk.

Being in an LTR is brutal. You are going to need to be much kinder to your partner than you have ever been to anyone before. It is not a crime to be tender occasionally, like someone said in a recent hilarious post, you don't always have to be polishing your gun or doing chin ups. Make her feel special, don't treat her like plate. This stuff should be common sense but I think it is worth mentioning for the younger guys. If you are going to promote this person to SO and impregnate her then you need to take some serious care of your investment. Do not go blue pill, but certainly be affectionate, take some interest in her interests and be her rock.

A final point on keeping access to your kids if the relationship does break down. You may not be able to prevent hypergamy but if it is you who breaks off the relationship, do it nicely. Do not find a new partner straight away. Make the separation as amicable as you possibly can. No matter how the relationship ends, do not break frame, do not get angry. Keep yourself calm. The more she is willing to give then the less you need to pay your lawyer to get.

LESSONS LEARNED:

As listed above. I have made many of the mistakes above that I now advise you to avoid. I did manage to escape with my kids and most of my money so at least I implemented enough of the above advice to come out with a good result.

I am really hoping that other members with kids offer some advice. If any of you want more personalised advice regarding kids then PM me.

Lastly, do we really want a world populated only by blue pill kids and their single mums? I know we are not here to save the planet but let's keep the red pill alive for future generations. Damn, nature meant for us to be the one's who reproduce. Would be sad to think of a world without any kids raised by red pill men. If we stop reproducing then our enemies truly have won the war.