It has come to my attention recently that this subreddit likes to avoid being the nice guy. Girls like jerks, right? The nice guy is always friendzoned and nice guys are beta. Girls will always go for the bad boy and then hypocritically lament about never being able to find a nice guy.

I'm making this post to clarify this seemingly nonsensical stance that women take, because their actions (fucking the bad boy) and words ("Why can't I just find a nice guy?") do not appear to line up at first glance. However, when women say they want a nice guy they are actually telling the truth. They really do want the nice guy (alpha) but will run from the "nice" guy (beta creep).

Here is the difference-

The nice guy: Smart with firm moral character. Generous and hardworking. Practices proverbs like "treat others the way you want to be treated" and "quick to listen, slow to speak." The nice guy is confident. He doesn't have to belittle others to make himself feel superior, he already knows that he is superior regardless what others think. The nice guy doesn't need validation from others. The nice guy has a big heart, spirit animal is the lion. The nice guy gives respect to everyone, until of course they prove through their actions that they do not deserve respect. As a leader, the nice guy makes decisions that benefit the group as a whole. Lets say the nice guy is the boss at work. He is a fair boss, who treats his employees with dignity and respect. In exchange for this the employees work hard for him. He is kind to his employees, however he isn't afraid to fire someone who has a negative impact on the business or isn't pulling their own weight. The nice guy is just a genuinely good person, pure of heart. The benevolent dictator.

Examples of the nice guy include: Jesus Christ, King Arthur, Thor, Batman, Abe Lincoln, Aragorn, Captain Winters.

The "nice" guy: Self absorbed. The nice guy has low self confidence, and as a result is constantly being nice to everyone in order to gain their approval and validation. If someone does not like them, it really hurts his ego and they will do whatever it takes to be liked. The "nice" guy is a doormat. They will not hold character and have relative morals. They constantly shift sides to the popular opinion of the group. The "nice" guy uses his "niceness" to get what he wants. For example, he will pay for the fancy diner and expensive flowers not because he cares about the girl, but because he wants in her pants. He will be "nice" and then when the girl refuses sex on the first date (anti-slut defense) he will get angry and say "WTF I just spent so much money on you, I DESERVE SEX." His spirit animal is the weasel. As a boss, he lets the employees do whatever they want. Female employees will go to him and bat their eyes "Hey nice guy, since you're so nice I was wondering if I could go home 3 hours early, it would be super cool of you!" He will give in and let her go home early thinking that it will gain her approval, but the next day she will come into work and gossip behind his back to everyone else. The "nice" guy is fake.

Examples of the "nice" guy include: Grima Wormtongue, Loki, Judas Iscariot, James Buchanan.

Girls honestly like the nice guy. But the "nice" guy is a creep. Which one are you?