The nice guy shaming is really starting to spread

Bobsutan · 2013-01-27T07:29:48+00:00

I went ahead and commented adding a modified version of the post linked to on the Roosh forums thread:

Of late, it has become fairly common to see nice guys being shamed, bashed and presented as not just undesirable, but also immoral. It is the most wicked form of hamster that the internet has seen so far.

To understand why, we have to go a bit into the past. In the past, not many men were wise to the real state of the sexual market, particularly who got girls and how they got girls. Occasionally someone would whine about being left out in the cold just for being nice, but it was widely understood that nice guys were still preferred for relationships and girls loved them after they matured.

With the rise of connectivity and sharing of stories, and particularly actual [URL="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/routledg/usmt/1999/00000025/00000004/art00010"]empirical[/URL] [URL="http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/sers/2005/00000053/F0020005/00006758"]data[/URL], it soon became apparent that the real situation was much worse. The gnawing feeling of those hordes of nice guys became more than a feeling - it began a reality. With this truth now impossible to hide, they became even more discontent and the whining increased. Some of them embraced the PUA skills; the others decided it was simply not worth it and retreated into their shells, similar to the herbivores of Japan. However, their outcry was now very public.

With this truth - that women don't go for nice guys at all, even though they mostly claim that they do - being now both confirmed and highly visible, the feminists and other a..hole-digging women (The observation is spot on here that feminists have much higher dominance thresholds, i.e. a more dominant or a..hole-ish man is needed to make them hot & bothered than for the average girl) decided to adopt another tactic. No woman wants to be seen as responsible for her own poor mating choices, naturally. This is the basis of the hamster. But how to reconcile it with the reality? With hiding the truth now not being viable anymore, there was only one option left: present the nice guys as not really desirable - or 'not really "nice"'.

Herculean efforts by hamsters all around the world are needed to perform this ultimate vanishing act because the nice guy behavior is so visible and plainly desirable to common sense, but fear not. The avalanche of articles bashing nice guys as manipulators, jerks, sexists and so on is now close to accomplishing the task.

You can see the results even here - not only does the general public now believe the bull that "nice guys are not really nice", but also some red-pill forum members are tacitly agreeing. Once you've spent years away from being a nice guy with no game, you tend to forget all that you've had to endure before. It becomes like an unpleasant dream which, in hindsight, seems completely avoidable - with our current knowledge! But most nice guys are still bombarded with too much crap to know the difference. It is a grave mistake to forget where many of us came from and join the bashing just because we understand the why of it now. However, most guys do not. With the amount of brainwashing, can you really blame them?

Of course, that brings us to the final point - is what these articles are saying just the hamster acting up, or is it true? In a sense, it is true. None of the nice guy behavior is attractive, that we know. We also recognize that it is not congruent, although most of these guys don't know it - they have never been taught any other way. Genuinely believing that girls like you being nice and will (eventually) reward you with love and sex is not lying, it's just believing the social programming you were fed growing up. And we all know how this wrong is formed: through the words of these women themselves and the mantra we are all familiar with: "I just want someone nice", and "Where have all the good men gone?" (commonly meant as "men who don't cheat, treat women like sexual objects etc - i.e. "being nice") Also the media helped a great deal, just look at your average rom-com.

So women are still verbally making "being nice" extremely important to a man who doesn't know better. It is impossible to say that they aren't asking for niceness. The only thing left is - what actually represents being nice? [URL="http://www.buzzfeed.com/hnigatu/13-reasons-why-nice-guys-are-the-worst"]This article[/URL] rightly points out that just not raping someone is not nice, it's just normal. Same for waiting until the person opens up and finally recognizes and rewards your support. [B]But what is nice then?[/B]

Is it not pressuring her into sex? We know that this sexual strategy is mostly a big piece of fail. Is it doing her favors, such as repairing her car, helping her with homework or walking her home in the rain? Apparently that isn't nice either, even though most of us would be delighted if a stranger of the same gender did that for us. [B]What is being nice then?[/B] Is it financial support? Judging by how quickly women divorce boring Beta providers, I don't think that's it either. Maybe listening skills and willingness to offer support? Nope. Chivalry, Titanic-style? Hell no.

Conclusion: while these articles correctly point out that nice behaviour is not sexually attractive at all, and that some types of nice behavior are not actually nice, it still fails to bridge the yawning chasm between the spoken desires of the female gender and the actual reality on the ground.

At best, while all women claim that they "just want someone nice", the threshold for what (to them) constitutes "niceness" is infinite - somewhere far above listening, helping, being respectful, offering financial aid and sacrificing your life for others.

And I thought that Mother Theresa was a nice person.

edit: you should all watch this if you haven't already: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=a9XDb0nxSO4

theubercuber · 2013-01-27T16:20:46+00:00

My favorite comment:

There are no nice guys, it is just their ploy to get women

I see that is working great for them

toysjoe · 2013-01-27T14:31:34+00:00

It's okay. They'll sing a different tune when they hit thirty.

ihavespellingproblem · 2013-01-27T10:20:45+00:00

You know this Nice Guy thing, and Game itself for that matter, reminds me of an experiment scientists did some time ago. A guy called B.F. Skinner took pigeons and put them in a cage with no food. He fed them only when a pigeon would press a button. The trick was he would give out the food on random. No patterns, random.
So when those pigeons got hungry, they started pressing the button, sometimes they would give out food, sometimes not. What happened after a while, they started develop rituals. Before pressing the button they would turn around, or flap their wings, do some river dance thing, sing some dumb pigeon song.
Pigeons don't get randomness. They need cause and effect. They can't go "hey, this shit is random, all we need is to press a button until it gives out the food" because they are dumb and they were made to shit on monuments, not to think of mathematics and statistics. Randomness is out of their comprehension, it causes cognitive dissonance and shuts their brain. They need cause and effect thing. So they would link their behavior to the food giveaway because it would eliminate randomness. "I flapped my wings, pressed button, got food. Mystery solved." It doesn't matter that they still get food on random, they have the link, they ignore the rest.
I feel like no matter how much logic I put in to trying to understand women behavior, and they ways of how you handle them, it would still be my stupid pigeon dance. Bitches are random like weather. And until they are random, they will get all the fucking spectrum of behavior from guys. No shaming would work ever. No shaming will stop people from being Nice Guys. Logic will, not before women stop being random.

CustodialConviction · 2013-01-29T07:16:29+00:00

I would rather be called the biggest piece of shit in the world than a nice guy.

[deleted] · 2013-01-27T07:33:22+00:00

Where did people get the idea being "entitled" is bad. If I am nice to a person I except them to be nice to me. If you are dating a girl you are entitled to sex. The girl is entitled to her boyfriend going down on her etc.

Title	The nice guy shaming is really starting to spread
Author	Bobsutan
Upvotes	7
Comments	18
Date	January 27, 2013 7:14 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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