The Red Pill: Perspectives From Evolutionary Psychology. Part 1: The Shit Test

redpill_ig · 2015-03-22T04:21:56+00:00

the shit test is a costly signal to test commitment in a relationship.

You are on the right track with the economics / evopsych view of mating relationships, but WTF. In our society, the highest-value women will have sex without any proof that the man is committing. The mechanisms for determining commitment are fundamentally broken.

A shit test is a test to determine the value of the male

These take all forms, from their namesake shitty behavior to playful rubs. Of course, high-value males don't really care, and so they easily brush off shit tests. But high-value males also don't commit easily.

A commitment test is a test to determine the level of male commitment

Commitment tests are requests for reasonable amounts of resources - time, money, or thought, designed to assess the dedication of the male partner. Maybe she comes to you with a problem from work. Maybe she had a terrible day, and needs a shoulder to cry on. Maybe she watches how much you spend on dates. Note that commitment tests can come even before sex, and providing too much commitment is demonstrating lower male value. The balance to strike between commitment and sex depends on what society you are in: western readers of TRP should err on the side of demanding more sex for their commitment.

For men, the equivalent tests are sex and the compliance test

The "sex test" weeds out women who aren't serious. Commitment is expensive to men, sex is expensive to women, and so a woman who is serious about her man will have sex regularly.

"Compliance tests" start simple -- holding a hat in a bar, coming to dates on time -- but in full-commitment LTRs, they grow to include the woman limiting her hypergamous options. This means dressing appropriately in public, distancing male friends/co-workers, and avoiding situations which could be misinterpreted. Note that a man failing to insist on this sort of commitment is failing both a shit-test (not standing up for himself) and a commitment test (not standing up to protect her).

Otherwise, nice attempt. Please correct your mis-conceptions before wasting your time and making it a series.

RPSigmaStigma · 2015-03-22T02:19:18+00:00

So, my question is, why does it seem like the way to pass shit tests is often to do what would seem to be the opposite of providing support and "love"? I.e., a classic shit test is the compliance test where a woman asks you to do something minor for her that requires you to go out of your way, but would be easy for her to do. The standard response given here is to refuse to comply and make her do it herself. Compliance is considered "beta" and a demonstration of low value (DLV). And this isn't just neckbeard science, most of the men here can attest to first hand, real world experiences of how refusing to comply gets you laid, while complying gets you shunned. This seems to run contrary to your thesis that the way to pass a shit test is to show comfort, support and provider-ship.

Edit: however, perhaps what you're thinking of as a shit test is actually what TRP theory calls a "comfort test", which seems to better fit what you're describing. Usually comfort tests are more common in LTRs, especially if she already views the man as high value or "alpha".

MattyAnon · 2015-03-22T04:48:41+00:00

shit testing is a way for a woman to ensure that her man is “free and loving.” Essentially, the woman is testing the monogamy and...

Oh you are so way off the mark. You are thinking of comfort tests.

A shit test means "give him shit to see how he handles it" with the intent of proving to BOTH PARTIES that he is alpha or beta, and getting from him sperm or resources according to the result of the test.

It isn't called a "comfort test". It isn't called a "fitness test". It is a "shit test" because it is "giving him shit", ie something abusive, nasty, sexist, mean, derogatory or in some other way shitty and nasty.

Yes they're good. Yes they help. Yes they are a shortcut to getting into her panties. But let's call a spade a space here.

theeseesit · 2015-03-22T02:43:16+00:00

The definition of shit test mentioned in this piece is extremely different than the ones I hear from TRP threads...almost as if it's a different definition entirely.

1) Shit-test in TRP: ways a woman measures a man's worth to make herself feel like she is dating the right, MASCULINE-FRAMED, man.

2) Shit-test in this post: spending more time with your woman. Showing her you love her.

....What.

boxofcookies101 · 2015-03-22T03:30:17+00:00

I'm also quite curious about this as well. However I think you and most of trp when referring to shit tests are talking about two different periods within a woman's life.

The common trp shit test is the masculinity test. This is often encountered during the woman's CC riding days. To ensure they're pairing with the most masculine male they can find.

Once a woman passes that threshold and hits the wall. Or they're realizing that they're hitting the wall. They're priorities change and they begin to look for their BB. The guy that embodiments financial success and long term commitment. And this is when you'll begin to get these shit tests that the op is refering to. It would be better to refer to these as BB/LT commitment tests.

To also back this up with my own findings: I'm currently in china where women are largely searching for economic power. This society largely mirrors old school dating rituals where women of college age are husband shopping. After about 24~25 in Chinese society these women have already hit the wall. As a response in this society possibility of success and long term financial stability rule all. In this society women are looking for signs of BB/longterm dedication/and financial success ofc. And how they do that is simply using these "comfort" tests. In response though these women are sqeaky clean. Meaning no clubs, drugs, alcohol, sex, ect. They realize that they're ability to get marriage is contingent on their reputation.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-03-22T03:47:42+00:00

You are aware of:

Men love women, women love children, children love puppies

This is considered a core concept in Red Pill.

The Shit Test is a Heirarchy Test... "are you really strong enough to be Captain?".

Higher level female Game (/r/RedPillWomen) will actually discourage the frontal assault of the Shit Test and prefer more sophisticated methods of deception in order to Charm a man into doing what they want. Manipulation is considered a better method than Shit Tests.

In a perfect world the man only rewards a woman with Love if she behaves with Charm. But the average woman in the West today completely lacks Charm, so Shit Tests and Comfort Tests (plays on sympathy) are very common.

The modern women try to imitate men while the modern men never grow up and remain Beta. (children)

Very few relationships have the Love / Charm dynamic. (what you may have been hinting at)

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Most relationships are based on either Alpha Fucks (sex resource) or Beta Bucks (material resource) and women tend to seek Alpha Bucks (both) during their prime years, but settle for the Beta Bucks after they hit the Wall. Once the Beta Bucks is used up she Divorce Rapes him and seeks another Alpha for sex purposes. Eventually she is used up and lives bitterly with her many cats.

JaxSwagger · 2015-03-22T05:16:14+00:00

OP has confused comfort testing and shit testing. This suggests OP's knowledge of TRP is limited, which also explains how OP can approach with such hughty intellectual snobbery not knowing how much academic work is posted and discussed in this sub on a weekly basis.

So let's dispel a couple of things.

Firstly, TRP is not intellectually void, TRP is pragmatic first and foremost, it is a sexual strategy not an ideal and gladly adjusts itself as evidence requires. There may not be an academic peer review process, but TRP does have an empirical nature.

Secondly, TRP is associated with mysoginy, rape culture and domestic abuse because it runs contrary to the feminine primacy in society, and this association is simply unfounded. We are not the neckbeards they make us out to be.

OP, lurk more than 2 seconds and you'll find this place isn't the intellectual backwater you deem it to be.

cocaine_face · 2015-03-22T05:17:01+00:00

You're not using the term "shit test" correctly. The TRP term you are looking for is "comfort test".

A "shit test" is more properly defined as a way to ascertain value or status of a potential mate. You'll typically see them early on when a girl is trying to determine if you're worthy and also intermittently throughout the relationship (with a greater frequency after each failure), and ultimately if you keep failing them, the relationship will end. On the other hand, you will not typically see a comfort test until after sex in my experience (though I'd assume that would depend on how experienced the girl is and your prior non-sexual relationship with her).

Considering this is a relatively basic concept, perhaps it would be best if you read up for a bit so that you understand TRP/terminology fully before trying to tie it into evopsych.

Also, being a new-comer and telling a group of people they are, "intellectually bankrupt", and you want to "trim" their "movement" for greater success (when it has doubled in not-inconsequential size in the past 6 months) is a tad bit arrogant, no? You will not win many friends here with that attitude.

M4rkyboy · 2015-03-22T02:22:54+00:00

I am new to the redpill and i don't see what you see.

The 'Misogyny' is just men looking to reclaim the traditional role of the male in society.

I have yet to read a single post or comment on this site that advocates,encourages or advises domestic abuse-i literally have no idea where you get the idea this is part of the redpill.

The same with 'rape culture'.I've not seen anything posted here that fits this description.

I struggle to continue reading something that starts off so disconnected from my own experience on account of the fact that the rest would be upon these shoddy misrepresentations.

Zachar1a · 2015-03-22T04:53:46+00:00

I think you are describing a comfort test, not a shit test.

Soriq · 2015-03-22T13:19:21+00:00

Men do this too. However, we don’t challenge women in the same way, but men absolutely do have their own shit tests. A man might ask a woman “let me see your texts” or otherwise want to examine her communications for signs of infidelity. A man might flirt with other woman to make his partner jealous. A man might tell a woman that he isn’t interested – if she is, she’ll pursue him. This type of behavior is not unique to women. However, it is significantly more common in women.

You are way off the mark here. These are not examples of shit tests.

Examining for signs of infidelity is not giving a woman shit, it's examining for proof of fucking infidelity

Flirting with another woman to make one woman jealous is a means of building attraction, aka game.

A shit test is consciously or unconsciously giving someone shit to examine one's reaction and determine if that person is worthy of sleeping with or being in a relationship with.

Women use this to gauge a man's value, which is unclear initially (people lie), and a man's value is always under evaluation. A woman wants to mate with the best man she can get.

On the other hand, because men value sex, men don't need to shit test women to figure out if they have a vagina or not.

As a statistician, you can understand that it boils down to sperm being cheap and eggs being expensive - pregnancy is taxing, and getting pregnant by the wrong guy can hold severe consequences.

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Title	The Red Pill: Perspectives From Evolutionary Psychology. Part 1: The Shit Test
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Date	March 22, 2015 1:22 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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