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Violence is Golden

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August 17, 2013
34 upvotes
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Title Violence is Golden
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Upvotes 34
Comments 32
Date August 17, 2013 9:32 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1kjk1u/violence_is_golden/
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[–]MockingDead 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

I have tried to explain this to people. They think I am mad.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Thanks, but I am not nearly as red pill as I should be.

[–]veggie_girl 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember:

  • Redpill is a state of mind.

  • Alpha is a state of action.

Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1ii8do/meta_dictionaryfriendly_definitions_redpill/

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]MockingDead 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

the comment?

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I explain this to any/all pacifists/anarchists I meet in my regular bars.

I charge them a beer for the lesson.

And then I give them their wallet back.

People are less likely to think yer crazy when the direct example is right in front of them.... how do they get their wallet back without violence?

[–]MockingDead 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you ask them fro your wallet?

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually I explain to them how it's wrong. If they don't get it, I propose an example and ask them for their wallet. That's when the lesson on reality begins, and I charge for it.

[–]LordDongler -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Anarchists are against aggression, not violence. While some violence is aggression, all aggression is violence. Aggression can be loosely defined as the initiation of violence.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I phrased the end wrong: How do they get their wallet back without violence (of the police).

Anarchy is as stupid as pacifism. It's yet another "solution" that never works because the only way it can be a solution is if everyone adopts it at once and nobody breaks it..... which, if you read the article posted here, is pretty much what is being discussed.

[–]LordDongler -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You're assuming that society can't police itself under certain circumstances. IE: you take my wallet, and it's a fight. Other men who don't like when their wallet is stolen help me show you the "or else what."

Anarchism isn't pacifism.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

So I'll get 100 men to take whatever I want from you. Which means you'll need at least 50 to defend yourself. But as soon as you get 50, these things called community rules form and your anarchistic self-governance disappears.

[–]MaunaLoona 2 points2 points2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

So in the worst case it's no different than what we have now. The government takes what it wants through taxation and confiscation. If you try to resist, you will be shot and killed. If you get 50 people to defend you, they'll bring 200 who are highly armed and armored and with aerial support.

[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Might makes right. Welcome to reality.

[–]MaunaLoona1 points 12 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Might makes reality. Whether it's "right" or not depends on how you define the word.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"right" is a fiction. It only matters among civilized men who have shared values and trust. Philosophy won't stop a bullet.

[–]MaunaLoona1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

But I have a "right" to free health care, free education and a basic universal income!!!

/s

[–]REDDITCanSuckMyCOCK 2 points2 points2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Today, even beta males can get men to defend them through the police.

In your example, only the 1% with the most ressources can hire other people to protect themselves which leave 99% with zero protection.

How is that any better?

[–]MaunaLoona1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

If they didn't have to pay for everyone else's protection they would have money to pay for their own. There's no reason why police, firefighters or any other service can't exist privately.

[–]LordDongler -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, what you have is an army at that point, and now the entire society is against you.

[–]veggie_girl 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Violence is a natural part of the order of humanity. Prior to big government, it was everywhere. The government is the leviathan which citizens grant the power of violence to in exchange for more protection than they could give themselves otherwise.

Thomas Hobbes wrote about this, there are some good notes on it here and in the links at the bottom of the page:

  • http://www.gradesaver.com/leviathan/study-guide/section4/

Hobbes was about as redpill as they come. In particular when "Hobbes argues that the only possible circumstance in which a subject is justified in disobeying the sovereign is when the commonwealth no longer protects its subjects."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zie7PkZEB4Y

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah Violence... The government and it's monopoly on force. I've never seen it so well written about. While this is not a strictly redpill it does help you to realize where the women and their feminist power comes from.

We are all submitting to the system where the women have taken over. The only way to fix this is to change the system OR find another system (country) more in line with your reality. Unless you want to go out in a blaze of glory that is because the government has far more force than you can ever think of.

[–]LordDongler 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is an inherently authoritarian stance to take, as it requires law to enforce, which requires (ironically) men with big guns, who require bigger men with bigger guns.

[–]LordDongler 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am NOT non-violent. I AM non-aggressive.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a very good distinction to make.

Non-Aggressive should not be confused with Non-Violent. It is possible to be violent under the right set of circumstances.

[–]wander992 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

TRP classic

[–]soapjackal -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As a rational anarchist I do not think that society should be predicated by the monopoly on the initiation of violence.

Self defense sure.

War? Hell no.

Martial arts. As a BJJ practitioner and UFC fan, hell yes.

Cops? No. Private defense is more to my liking.

Violence has its place, but not as the motive power for an imperialist corporatist semi-socialist nation (s).

[–]LordDongler 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's funny how they upvoted my post, but not yours, regardless of the content. Maybe Anarchism is just too Politically Incorrect.

[–]soapjackal 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most TRP imagine they are general right wing individuals and are pro-war and such. The nuances of political reality are not meant for such a forum, especially if you believe democracy was ruined by women, instead of just being inherently flawed.

[–]LordDongler 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah. I don't think that TheRedPill is exclusive of anarchists or libertarians, though.

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