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Why do most redpillers urge others to avoid feminist-tainted countries, when the women there prefer betas?

semipiller

June 1, 2013
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Title Why do most redpillers urge others to avoid feminist-tainted countries, when the women there prefer betas?
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semipiller

Upvotes 10
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Date June 1, 2013 8:31 AM UTC
(13 years ago)
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Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1fgfvm/why_do_most_redpillers_urge_others_to_avoid/
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[–]veggie_girl30 points31 points32 points 13 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Feminists don't prefer betas, they just say they do.

Women from traditional countries prefer betas.

Expanding on this:

In traditional countries the State and culture empower men. This means every time a man interacts with a woman he is coming from a position of power. He can act beta and instead of being pathetic it is Chivalry. He doesn't have to assert his dominance because the environment already does that for him.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can attest to that.

This is very true for south american countries, like venezuela, colmbia, ecuador, other south american countries have this ideology, but it was stronger on these 3.

[–]ubercoolhipsterguy0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this similar to when a tall muscular guy is really calm and friendly in order to keep people at ease?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is very true. Except one correction: it is not the state and culture that empowers men but more like the state and culture gets out of the way of nature doing so. Seriously all that a family or a country needs to do is to be poor, as in, hard to pay bills poor, and it almost automatically sorts itself out, if the man brings back a decent paycheck he is the boss.

Have you noticed pretty much all the divorce horror stories on Reddit are generally about rich Americans making around $80-$100K a year, owning a single family house? If a family struggles to pay rent in a rented apartment, the man working 10 hours a day, the woman having to chip in with a part time 4 hours job to help with rent while raising kids - the whole thing does not work out this way. Cold hard reality itself keeps in such situations women rational and men confident.

It's a cliche, but being too rich is the biggest problem. Being rich enough to be isolated from the struggle to make a living, from reality.

[–]veggie_girl1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought this was an interesting take on the divorce rates so I pulled some data. It turns out that in small part you are correct. Times or economic slump such as "The Great Depression" lead to a drop in divorce, but it was likely in direct response to an equally decreased marriage rate.

However, whatever drop an economic downturn provided is minuscule in comparison to the spike in divorce rates caused by women's suffrage.

Prior to 1876 (women's suffrage was introduced) the divorce rate was near non-existent but it has only been increasing as women continued to gain more legal and cultural power. Now we have a time where women are the most powerful that they have ever been, and the divorce rates are also at an all-time high.

When women are treated as equals or better it causes monogamy to fail.

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_21/sr21_024.pdf

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

In feminist countries, the system betafies you. If you are not a beta when you start, you are a beta at the end.

Also, terrible, terrible title. The article itself was good to read.

[–]semipiller[S] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How is that a terrible title? I've seen people on this sub say that feminist-tainted countries should be avoided and this article says otherwise. I'm just looking for clarification.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because feminist countries prefer alphas.

[–]internethardman0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article says the opposite to your title.

[–]superangelo64 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Every country in that article is a feminist-tainted country except for maybe Columbia. I don't see the point being made here. No mention of Asia there. My girl here is Asian (import, not home-grown) and the idea of being beta or alpha doesn't even cross my mind. I'm just honest, no shit tests on her part, no cold shoulder game on my part. Just honesty. When i don't like something i say "no" and when i like something i say "yes". Life is easy when you can be masculine.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you were walking thru the future and stumbled on a T-700 terminator with a battery that was almost depleted, would you pop in a fresh battery? I doubt it.

[–]dreamingawake091 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree that this is a terrible question tied a good article by Roosh. The thing that Roosh talks about is how different the cultures are, and as such the "alpha/beta" dynamic is different as well. I've experienced that personally when it comes to women from the US and women from South America or Eastern Europe...hell even some parts of Western Europe have that difference.

Being able to provide is considered Alpha in these parts because they have a different standard. The alpha leads and provides, while the woman holds the house and family together. Betas in these places tend to be weak mentally, never take initiative to the women and just simply do not care about improving oneself. I think dealing with how girls are in the US has allowed me to strike a balance within the alpha/beta system when it comes to girls who aren't from the US. It makes you stand out more than just simply being a foreigner, you're actually presenting something to these girls from these other nations legitimately want in a man.

[–]enticingasthatmaybe1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, in America every Man is capable of providing to some degree. It may just be that we've spoiled women to the point of being able to provide is the default subfloor of attributes, therefore having very little value.

[–]Endorsed ContributorRedBigMan1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because we already put up with enough feminist bullshit in our own countries. What is going to a place like Scandinavia where militant radical feminism is the norm gonna get you?

Certainly you'll just end up like Julian Assange, on the end of some false rape claims when you don't kowtow to the power of VAGINA!

[–]Jimbodini0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend, who is a cocky asshole, banged like 10 girls in Sweden

[–]Nutz760 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience the more feminized a city or country is, the more cock hopping there is. That means alphas/good looking guys get way more action than your tried and true beta provider types.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey! So now it is cultural, not biological?

Seriously this should be sorted out somehow to what extent it is it is biological and to what extent it is cultural.

My 2 cents: being basically confident, not taking shit, not supplicating, is biological and preferred by every culture. Seriously look at old movies when being a good provider was OK, still Marlon Brando, Sean Connery etc. were quite confident. Having to go beyond that and hand out "negs" to bring the overblown self-importance of women down by a few notches is cultural.

Overally I am sure a Sean Connery as James Bond is a good role model in any kind of culture. Not overly asshole, but firm.

Seriously beta is just a too broad category, ranging from good provider 1950 dads to todays ass kissing doormats.

BTW I have no idea what Roosh does in Poland. I am Hungarian, very similar culture. Yet, in any dance club if you are not a sunbed brown, ripped in an Armani shirt, spiky gel hair, and pretend to be a huge gangster that has 143 ultra dangerous criminal friends, basically like a Jersey Shore type, no luck. Basically in our dance clubs this gets this

Roosh himself looks like a rocker, a guitar type of guy, which over here is automatically low status (because "God is a DJ"), what does he even want with the rock club girls? They are ugly, never heard of make-up or hairdos etc.

[–]JoopJoopSound0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because the betas are oppressed and do not live a happy and fulfilling life.

Not even going to read the article, this title question is fucking retarded.

[–]sfstexan2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OP gave this a weird title. I wouldn't say it reflects the content in the article.

Also, that said, the article gets "alpha" and "beta" wrong.

[–]CrisisEraDynamo1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Read it -- it's not so bad. We have to broaden our horizons a bit.

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