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[–]Theopinionatedgirl 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You did thanks :)
[–]Dubba 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Obvious baiting aside, I don't think very many of the posters here 'hold contempt for women'. The red pill is undeniably very bitter; you have to realize that for a lot of these guys this ideology is literally life-shattering. It's a breaking down of subconscious ideals indoctrinated over a lifetime and for some a complete reappraisal of their expectations in life.
Regardless of the community offered here this change is difficult and some guys inevitably (and unfortunately) end up lashing out against women out of bitterness. They're upset because the sexual world isn't the way that they were always told and thus thought it was, but worse yet they don't have anything to blame it on. The truth is the people that you're talking about are probably the people on here that want those traditional monogamous relationships the most - that's why they're so spiteful that the reality doesn't quite measure up under usual circumstances.
I do think you have a valid point, though, and there is plenty to be said for MGTOW. Some of those spiteful posters will eventually get over their bitterness and swallow the pill, some will Go Their Own Way and do exactly what you suggest. Also, I think people need to keep in mind that TRP isn't an ideology set in stone; it is possible to agree with a lot of what is posted here and take some other posts with grains of salt. Part of the RP mindset is having an objective and functional point of view with regards to relationships. A really good measure of that is refusing to accept anything you're told at face value (yeah - even here).
Thanks for answering.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Despise" is such a strong word. I'd say that some women are annoying. Particularly over-opinionated feminist types who try to get all up in my business and talk shit nonstop about men and masculinity. Yeah I don't like those bitches. But hey I don't like male feminists either.
As for normal women I think they're pretty cool. Unlike feminists I think the differences between men and women should be celebrated instead of swept under the rug. But most people get really defensive when you start talking about gender differences, as if they can't stand anyone pointing out the obvious reality that men and women think and act differently. Hell I've never had a problem getting laid but I come here to better understand what's going on beneath the surface in my relationships with other people. It's where evolutionary and social psychology meet game theory.
There are plenty of guys here who express negative views of women but really that's just because they can't do that anywhere else. Think about it. Women can express anger and distrust and even hatred towards men practically anywhere and it's considered socially acceptable. But where are men allowed to express their frustration with women? It's always shunned and shamed and to be honest you don't want to bottle that kinda shit up. You need to be able to vent in order to get past it. Ironically by allowing guys to vent here we're helping them to establish more healthy relationships with women by giving them an emotional outlet in order to get beyond that pain.
If you spend any length of time around here and take an honest look at what we do and what our goals are you'd probably realize that most of us think women are great, we just think they give shitty dating advice to men. But hey I'd probably give you shitty advice on any number of things.
[–]RedPillWisdom 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You can love women, or you can understand them. The Red Pill analogy is very apt, because once you understand the truth about women you cannot go back. See them with layers of societal deception stripped away and you can no longer truly love them.
I am married. I love my wife as best I can. But knowing what resides in the mammalian brain of all women, the deceit, the hypergamy, the general distain for males as ultimately disposable, is a heavy weight to bear. I will never see her as I did before I woke up.
But I would rather know a single painful truth than a thousand pretty lies.
[–]Theopinionatedgirl 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok you were the type of person I was posing my question to. Are you with your wife because it's what is expected of you. You say you can never really love women once you learn the truth then you say you love your wife. Why be with someone who you can never truly trust?
[–]RedPillWisdom 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like her, she is a good companion. She has been a good mother to our children. She has many admirable qualities.
But like all women, trustworthiness, loyalty or the ability to love me when it is not in her best interest are not among those qualities.
I have accepted this. I was lied to for 20+ years. I discovered the Red Pill, and Athol Kay's married game. My marriage is greatly improved, and my wife has never been happier.
But I look at it like this. Society tells us women are capable of loving us outside of what we can provide them. The massive divorce rate, inflicted mostly by women shows this to be a lie. Men who trust women get mauled by surprise.
If society told us that hibernating bears like to be hit in the head with sticks, and we watched our fathers and brothers and friends get mauled, maybe we would be less likely to trust the bears, and be more wary of them. And disinclined to believe a society that tells us these lies.
[–]New_Horiz0ns 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why be with someone who you can never truly trust?
That is woman stuff. Men don't need to trust to a woman. You need to feel like you truly trust a man because it fulfills your needs for security. Men don't need security like you do, this is because we provide security.
I see your problem now. You can't understand things from a mans perspective. You are seeing everything through a woman's lens. You can't relate to what we are saying here.
That's why I was in support of the rule "TITS or GTFO" Because once you come on here and declare you are a women, yo have nothing to add.
[–]648262 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sex and masturbation is different. You can do both.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
So you read a few opinions, a few harsh about women. From that, you conclude that us 'guys' hate women.
News flash - this is an open forum on the World Wide Web. You are likely to see just about anything here.
If you cannot distinguish among opinions in a wide open forum, perhaps a good book will better suit your narrow way of thinking.
Now she is a victim.
[–]Theopinionatedgirl -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You seem hostile. I didn't say you all felt this way. I was only asking the people who do.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Hostile? No. But you do need to think about what you type.
I don't show up on feminist forums questioning why they all seem to hate men.
I do read there and sometimes comment. But I do so thoughtfully not provocatively as you did.
[–]New_Horiz0ns 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now, she is just going in circles and eventually agrees with you.
[–]Theopinionatedgirl -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Like I said I know most of you don't feel this way my question was posed tot the ones that do. So chill.
[–]Nerf_Circus 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha. Get a black person to ask a white power supporter what's their beef.
Only people who don't hate women are going to be responding to you.
[–]Theopinionatedgirl 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha you're right but most of the post have been a good contribution.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wise up.
You get correspondence from those that are here, not from those you would like.
Go find that nice book.
[–]greycloud24 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
there are 5 stages to the red pill.
1) realize the truth, be angry that society lied to you. these guys may try with women hoping the red pill is wrong. 2) accept the truth. these guys are working on self improvement. 3) realize the system can be hacked. these guys are the majority of the guys you see posting who are out to get laid as much as possible. they still have sex drives but see women as less than men. 4) understand that women are not worth it. these guys stop trying they continue to work on self improvement and finding inner happiness without relying on others. 5) realization that women aren't the problem. the problem is social control mechanisms that lie in order to create demand. these guys are looking for the right woman for a LTR, but understand that she is not a unicorn and that you must be the right man for her as well.
[–]a_chill_bro 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
The first thing you have to understand about TRP is that it is not just about women. TRP is a system of theories and empirical evidence which are intended to drive men toward a path of self-actualization. All of us on this sub are here to find an answer to who we are as men and how to correct so much of the damage we have sustained as a result of fem-centric conditioning.
We bother because not correcting this damage will lead to a life of economic and sexual exploitation. We bother because this stuff works. Anyone who has successfully applied TRP is enjoying a life they never thought was possible. Yes this involves copious amounts of sex.
The second thing you have to understand is the acceptance of this system involves multiple stages.
More on these stages can be found here: http://therationalmale.com/2012/07/25/the-5-stages-of-unplugging/
The comments posted on this sub come from men going through a journey across these five stages. As such some comments may come across as holding contempt for women (if they are in stage 2 for example). Other comments will come across as defeatist (stage 4). Others yet will come across as logical, objective and will be non-judgmental of women's behavior (stage 5).
Also, having a network of women you can call upon for sex at any given time is infinitely better than masturbation. I'm not sure where you heard masturbation is just as good as sex but I assure you, your source is dead wrong.
Great post thank you!
[–]Quetin2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link
No one despises women here except people who don't really understand people and are angry that they aren't getting some so we tell them to man up and just try to improve life and it works for them and sex toys WILL NOT help the biological urge for men to reproduce with a woman and internet porn isn't making that better for anyone, it's just dumbing down the reproduction rate and that's bad;for example look at japan look at the men and see what we are trying to prevent.
[–]Theopinionatedgirl -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I understand where you are coming from but what I was wondering was is it even worth it? It seems like it is for you but some men don't even want biological children so what does it matter if your having sex with a doll rather than a real women?
[–]Quetin 3 points3 points3 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Its worth it getting laid is like a reaffirmation to guys that "Hey i can get laid" and a doll is not a human. -I have no idea how to explain- but sex WITH A HUMAN is a psychological need for men as in its hardwired into thier brains from day one and dolls dont fill that criteria
[–]Theopinionatedgirl -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
But I thought you guys were about not putting pussy on a pedestal so why even try. Do you want a human connection?
[–]Quetin2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Its not putting pussy on a pedestal its just fulfilling a basic masculine necessity
[–]Theopinionatedgirl -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
If they were to make robots that were extremely life like would that be sufficient enough. Or would you still desire a real woman?
[–]Nerf_Circus 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure if you have ever had sex in a relationship because you seems to think it's only about physical stimulation. Sex is characterised by 4 elements 3 of which you can't get without a real person;
physical connection - we have covered this, physical simulation leading to orgasm.
psychological connection - dominance, is absolutely key to good sex. Throwing the girl up against a door and pressing your self on her, pinning her down, cumming on her while she is on her knees. My girl hates being on top because the psychological element of dominance is missing. Knowing that you have sexual mastery is a huge ego boost, fucking girls out of your 'league' a ego boost.
immersion - losing your self in the act becoming one, feeling and thinking as if you two are the only ones in the world, not worrying about anything just enjoying to act and your connection, something you can't due on a one night stand
emotional connection - knowing the person, touching them where they like it, teasing, playing laughing, not as much in the act as after.
Sex in about so much more than getting off.
[–]New_Horiz0ns 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Quit chasing your own tail sweetie.
[–]Theopinionatedgirl -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha what?
[–]Piroko -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or would you still desire a real woman?
They aren't worth the trouble even today so... nope.
[–]isthatyourdaughter2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you pedestalize a woman, you eradicate any chance of a genuine connection. Think of the relationships you've been in, and other people's relationships you've observed. The happiest relationships are the ones where the man wears the pants. When a woman wears the pants, she is unfulfilled. She will lose respect, and consequently, desire for the man she is with. TRP is about teaching men to be desirable, to wear the pants. We focus on sexuality because there is no emotional intimacy without sexual intimacy.
[–]New_Horiz0ns 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So you are asking why do men want pussy instead of jerking off or use toys.
Well you could ask that on any male forum. Its not a question particular to TRP. This is because every guy not only wants pussy. He wants new pussy.
Why we try to get women? Because we like pussy. Just like anteaters burrow for ants and sharks chase tuna, we like pussy. Its the natural order.
What men on TRP despise is the nature of things they are exposed to. Previously they would live a world where Jenny who just fucked two strangers puts him to a standard where she has him doing her laundry every Sunday, and all he gets is a peck on the cheek, and a lecture on how good things come to those who wait.
We don't despise women. We despise all the shit you put us through to get some pussy.
Thus the absolute requirement to learn game. Be the other guys. They don't have to do laundry, they bring the tingle instead.
[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're interpreting this in a manner that suit your views or in a way where somehow I am contradicting my self.
I don't care if women are more liberal. I don't want to change anything about women. The reason I am here is not to change women but to change my-self. Thus the reason this a self-improvement forum not a woman hating one.
Like I said the bitterness comes from the veil being lifted and stripping away all the Disney layers.
[–]DukeHollywood 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you'r oversimplifying things way too much. You can't just look at a few examples of problems with womens behaviors or groups of women (like Tumblr feminists) and extrapolate that to all of us despising all women.
It's really about understanding gender dynamics from a mans perspective and there are certain things about coming to that understanding that aren't pretty.
I think what most men here are after are relationships with real masculine and feminine polarity. You can't get to that point though without improving yourself, having options, being able to walk away, understanding how women test you, etc.
[–]Olipyr 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
...the women you seem to despise so much.
Stopped here. You need to get it through your head, and into the thinking portions of your brain, that the vast majority of us do NOT despise women. Most are angry that they've been lied to for a large portion of their lives. EDIT: It's a process of "waking up". It hurts at first and a lot lash out.
Learn game, and you can control the relationship to the extent that is can be controlled. But other than that, there are no guarantees.
After a while, you accept the facts as they are. You don't fret that things are as they are. You learn to live with them.
Fire is dangerous. I would never trust fire to stay where it currently is, that is why I ensure it does not get out of control. But I don't hate fire, and I like having a good one in the fireplace. I just act responsibly around it. Same with your spouse. Ensure she stays within the boundaries you set, keep an eye on her compliance. Never trust her to do the right thing when the wrong thing is more fun.
This does not seem as complicated as you make it out to be.
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