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Why the Red Pill Exists, Exhibit A:

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July 11, 2013
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Title Why the Red Pill Exists, Exhibit A:
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Upvotes 48
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Date July 11, 2013 2:53 PM UTC
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[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 13 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

Here's the text of the article:

The good news is: feminism happened, so men don't get to just run around slapping our asses with impunity anymore. The bad news is that now that overtly piggish behavior is heavily, heavily socially discouraged, there's a subset of men who resort to less overt means when they want to act like jerks. Meet the Nice Guy.

When using the phrase 'Nice Guys' with a capital NG, I don't mean a man who happens to be a genuinely kind person. Hooray for kind, caring, conscientious people! I mean the sort of Guy who has declared himself to be Nice, and thus deserving of positive (usually sexual) attention from the female of his choice, upon whom he has often projected an elaborate fantasy of perfection and willingness that rarely has anything to do with the subject's actual feelings or desires. When a Nice Guy is romantically rejected by a woman he wants, he lashes out at her, wondering why that dumb cunt won't go out with him. After all, he has been Nice!

Performing basic feats of human decency don't afford anyone the right to the romantic attention of the Adonis or Aphrodite of their choice, and viewing kindness as currency that can be directly exchanged for sexual gratification is a pretty fucked up way to think. To paraphrase Lindy, women aren't vending machines where if you put in enough Nice, sex comes out.

The Predatory Bestie

He offers to listen to you cry and cry about your ex. So you let him. He offers to help you move a heavy dresser to your 4th floor walk up. So you let him. He admits that he cried during The Notebook. So did you. He tries to touch your boobs one night. You don't let him. You bitch. Likes: All the same things you like, even Grey's Anatomy. Dislikes: All those assholes you keep dating who are definitely just doing _________ to get in your pants, unlike Predatory Bestie, who is most definitely not just hanging around waiting for you to be single and vulnerable so he can make a move and then guilt you into having sex with him. Pop culture muses: Duckie from Pretty in Pink

The Chivalrous Stranger

He gets all up in your face as you're walking down the sidewalk. "SMILE!" he says, "I bet you'd be so pretty when you SMILE!" You don't smile. You bitch. Likes: YOU! Smiling! Dislikes: Frowny sourpuss ladies who aren't decorative enough. Pop culture muses: Pete Campbell

The Aspirational Fuck Buddy

It's just a sex thing and you're not ready for a relationship. You've told him this. But he won't listen. He doesn't understand rule number one of taking your pants off is that you can't fuck your way into a relationship. Likes: Making you soup when you're sick. Dislikes: The fact that you are not his girlfriend and have told him that you should stop sleeping together. Pop culture muses: The dude from 500 Days of Summer

The Fake Reformed Ex

When you were together, he was a butthole factory. A factory that makes only buttholes. But you broke up with him, and he didn't take it well. Now he's changed, he swears. He's so different. He's learned. He's changed so much in the last 3 weeks. Except when you tell him that it's really, for real over, he punches a wall and fractures his hand. Likes: Things with flames on them. Calling you "turkey legs" because your thighs touch at the top, unlike his last girlfriend. Dislikes: Being told "no," anything you like. Pop culture muses: Chris Brown

The Liberated Pig

He's an old guy at a cocktail party who name drops feminist authors because he figures you're in the age group that would appreciate that sort of thing. He's with it. He's down with the feminisms. But then he asks for your phone number. You have a boyfriend. You dumb cunt. Likes: Bourbon. Saying "Simone de Beauvoir" with a high school level French accent. Dislikes: Being corrected. He's wrong a lot. Pop culture muses: Henry Higgins (the super mansplainy guy from My Fair Lady)

The Incredible Hulk

One minute, he's just a guy making an ill-fated move. But the act of rejection turns him into an explosive tyrant. Also his team missing a field goal makes him into an explosive tyrant, but that's a whole other thing altogether. Likes: You. WAIT WHAT? FUCK YOU! Dislikes: THIS FUCKING BEER! ROAAAR! Pop culture muses: Bif from Back to the Future

The Dejected Unknown Piner

You have no idea who he is, but he's made up this whole story in his head about how he's just a sad shy Nice Guy that you can't even see because you're SO BLIND to anyone who isn't a football player etc etc etc. By the way, you're adults, so there are no football players involved here. Likes: Reddit. MEAN BUT TRUE. Dislikes: Football players, talking to girls Pop culture muses: Taylor Swift. Did I just blow your mind? Women can be Nice Guys, too.

EDIT: Formatting

[–]JimmyTheIntern 37 points38 points39 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Henry Higgins is a "Nice Guy" according to this crap? HA! Hahaha!

I beg to differ

And as to the central point:

The bad news is that now that overtly piggish behavior is heavily, heavily socially discouraged, there's a subset of men who resort to less overt means when they want to act like jerks.

Translation: "The bad news is that now that natural male sexual behavior is heavily, heavily socially discouraged, many men end up being called desperate jerks for doing what is heavily, heavily socially encouraged: befriending a woman first and trying to build a relationship through friendship instead of being sexual from the start."

They aren't trying to trick you by being nice, you told them to be nice, and now they are frustrated because it's gotten them zero results. So please, feminism, continue to shame sexless men who are eager to please and wonder where all the good men have gone.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Writers of articles like this will go out to a club and sleep with the best grind-buddy they find. Sexual Empowerment!

[–]TRIGGER__WARNING 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Feminism created the modern beta male. It programmed into him that he had to be a 'nice guy' to have any shot at sex. So he does what he's supposed to and told to and gets demonized for it.

[–]Knight_of_autumn 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Could you format this a bit by at least bolding the headings for each part?

That aside, the sad part of this article is that, even though we may laugh at it, these are things many people truly believe. Heck, a few months ago, I agreed with this shit. I used to think "yeah, those fake nice guys are total scumbags!"

Now, I can see the problems shown by each of those beta tactics. I guess TRP really does work!

[–]Nutz76 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know, this may not entirely be a bad thing. It's giving women visibility into orbiters they may have in their lives. For my purposes that's a win as it eliminates some of the competition, so to speak.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually, despite my comments above, I don't see a problem with this. Jezebel is basically explaining how awful some really shitty bluepill behavior is.

[–]TRP VanguardHumanSockPuppet 45 points46 points47 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism created most of these archetypes by indoctrinating men into discarding their masculine identities and adopting sexual strategies that befit a female's idea of convenience.

Jezebel is a feminist website.

So, Jezebel complaining about something it's proponents had a hand in creating is like like a person smashing their toe with a hammer and then complaining that it hurts.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a very good example of how women don't actually want the things they say they want.

[–]MSoftHarem[M] 63 points64 points65 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Screenshot what is important, we do not want to give clicks to fucking Jezebel.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. It's sad that Jezebel gets more traffic than the major manosphere blogs combined. (Vox mentioned this a while back) Jezebel and popular western discourse is why the red pill is needed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point. I posted the text of the article above.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Dark_Triad_Tosser 26 points27 points28 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And women certainly don't ever use sex to get what they want.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Dark_Triad_Tosser 17 points18 points19 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps your sensibilities should delete facebook, lawyer up and hit the gym?

Do your sensibilities even lift, bro?

[–]Cask_Strength_Islay 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't body shame my sensibilities, I thought this was a safe place!

[–]Dark_Triad_Tosser 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SAES you!

[–]edfooyung 38 points39 points40 points 13 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Long time TRPer but a truly platonic woman friend of mine who is attractive but I have zero interest in asked me to help her move this weekend after all the alphas she's bangin flaked. Thats a big nope. I enjoy driving by women with flat tires. Enjoy equality snowflakes.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]kingssman 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ill accept beer! Sheesh I enjoy helping a woman time to time just to be a nice human being. It's even sweeter when she hooks me up with an ice tea or something. I don't expect a BJ or anything and as such I don't drop all my plans for some damsel in distress.

[–]angelothewizard 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's my child at heart mentality, but a good pizza or burger will get me to help you.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

This is the attitude to take. Smoking hot "bestie" of mine from my Beta days a few years back wants me to fix her moped because I know what is wrong with it and I have fixed that before on my own moped. Ha, yeah, good luck with that.

[–][deleted] 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Long term BF, she's pretty into him still.

[–]Nutz76 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I help friends where I can, but we return favors. What did she offer in return for your help? I'm guessing she just expected you to invest your time and effort with little in return?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah exactly. I texted her back "what do I get in return?" and she said "lol. so is that a yes?"

nooooooooooope!

[–]Nutz76 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

that could almost be construed as a shit test.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah. She's in an LTR tho. She does keep mentioning about how I am going to be rich with my new job and it sucks that I am moving out of state. I just don't think the time is right to make a move. Some plates take a while to spin.

[–]thereisnosuchthing 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't drive by men with flat tires.. women on the other hand wouldn't appreciate your help anyway and would probably text their friend about the creep who tried to help them while you're jacking up their car for them and doing all of the work to help them, like you would help another man who would be appreciative of the effort and assistance.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I get why you drive by women with the flat tire, but what's so bad about helping a completely platonic female friend?

I'm genuinely curious about this because my whole attitude is to help all my friends, whether they're male or female.

[–]iamme210 points 13 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Because a real friend would offer compensation or would feel guilty asking.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ha, good point, but I've gotten compensation (free food) from both male and female friends.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

then those couple friends are keepers.

[–]captshady 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think he meant just random females out on the side of the road. Most of which, don't bother to learn how to change a tire, because they know they just have to be pretty and look helpless, and someone will stop.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I know what he meant with the change tires thing -- who cares about people you don't know.

I was wondering why he didn't help someone he did know.

[–]Ersatz_Intellectual -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are two separate points. He first says he isn't going to help his friend, and then emphasizes that by saying he doesn't help strangers either.

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He's with it. He's down with the feminisms. But then he asks for your phone number. You have a boyfriend. You dumb cunt.

HaHHAHAHAHAHA

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah seriously. As if asking for a number = wanting to bang, what freaking entitlement.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this is about those guys who lose their shit when you reject them.

[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Jezebel: (noun) A woman who is regarded as evil and scheming.

That's all I've got to say about that. The people who came up with the name of this website picked it for a reason, so let's all remember that.

[–]Modredpillschool 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That gives me pause.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 10 points11 points12 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely vapid drivel. I should print off that inept "writer's" picture and use it as a dart board.

[–]soapjackal 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Performing basic feats of human decency don't afford anyone the right to the romantic attention of the Adonis or Aphrodite of their choice, and viewing kindness as currency that can be directly exchanged for sexual gratification is a pretty fucked up way to think. To paraphrase Lindy, women aren't vending machines where if you put in enough Nice, sex comes out.

I want to link this article to every white knight I encounter.

Funnily enough men are machines that if you put in enough Nice (and take care of your body) sex comes out.

I also just realized this woman's grammar is atrocious.

[–]W-Z-R 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

No nice guy actually thinks this way, he sees women being treated badly by assholes, he sees them saying they would prefer a nice guy (what they actually mean is they want the asshole to treat them differently rather than just any nice guy) and thinks that by becoming the nice guy he gets the girl.

This piece you've copied is hamstering, because it rationalises the fuck out of women prefering men who are self-obsessed, abusive and slightly sociopathic because it makes up a back story that the nice guy is pure evil behind it all, when he blatantly isn't.

[–]soapjackal 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's my point. Why are the wks defending someone who feels that way?

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jezebel in its entirety is why the redpill exists.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a good guide however, a good guide on what you shouldn't be(despite whether or not that was the author's intentions).

But then again, what you should do information is typically better than what you shouldn't do information. So this is only so helpful.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just have a hard time not thinking they are all crazy somewhat. All of them. Some have developed that crazy more than others.

[–]Zenyatoo 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the most telling thing about this is that the people who are sleeping with the women in these examples are, the ex who insults her, is angry, and refuses to take no for an answer when she says it. And the fuck buddy, who doesnt have a relationship with her beyond sex.

But obviously the key to attracting a woman is to be compassionate and caring and do things for her, and blah blah blah.

It blows my mind that anyone can read things like this, and not realize that their own damn sources are pointing out that what they tell men about female attraction is completely wrong.

[–]chiffonade- 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

LOL well to be fair...... nice guys disgust me too.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not their fault, bro.

[–]soulshiv 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Reactionaries reacting against reactionaries.

[–]Ossuari -2 points-1 points0 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shes funny I find the weirdest stuff hilarious

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