Avoiding STEM Careers Pt. II

CardioPumps · 2016-09-11T16:34:16+00:00

I have no ego investment in STEM, and I can tell you that you are very biased, and seemingly not intelligent.

Do you think studying STEM will change your personality and turn you to a beta faggot? This is the mindset of a beta faggot. So, a STEM degree will not change it.

Do you think there is any "alpha" majors? It is non existent.

You can study gender studies and still make it through as an alpha. It is not about what you do, it is about who you are.

TheRedStoic · 2016-09-11T16:01:33+00:00

Sample bias.

What you're seeing is what you're basing presumptions on. Same as everyone does.

Part of the red pill is accepting that you have your own agency, and an internal locus of control is necessity. (Frame, self satisfaction, self gratification, idgaf, objectivity, abundance, setting hard boundaries and your own philosophy).

What you're seeing isn't the big picture, not that it matters much unless you decide to begin addressing things that you believe to be the case as the case... Wait.

Do what makes you happy bro. You'll be fine. You're smart. You're male. You're driven. Just make certain that which you choose not to do, you choose for a good, internally informed reason. Not from dry biased speculation.

To provide an example, I've been around the world enough, meet stem people enough, have many in my friends circle, and many others acquainted.

The alpha types follow the (general) rule, 80/20.

If you want to go stem. Go. If you don't, don't. Being well rounded is so vague and ambiguous it's not worth worrying about. Are you doing what improves your satisfaction?

Naveos · 2016-09-11T17:18:09+00:00

It's not that you struck a nerve but rather that you're portraying a very false image of a certain subject to be truth because that's how you view it, which is pretty ignorant.

Tangentially, it's the same as if you would go to a black community and state that they're all drug dealers, gangsters, and whatnot else due to the stereotype you've been exposed to whereas in reality, many of them are lawyers, doctors, engineers, and so on.

I can see how you can came to the conclusion that it may have to do with ego but I can assure you that is not the case. Yes, there are many low SMV guys in STEM as it tends to attract autists and alike but do the majority fill the quota? A resounding no.

Another misconception you're having is that you need to compete with the individuals you're describing to succeed in STEM which is another false image. I know that I'm smart but by no means a genius. There is no way in hell I can compete, intellectually, with many individuals that I've met in my studies and career but I don't have to. All that matters is that I get the job done, whatever my task is.

How the professional world of STEM works is quite the rabbit hole which I'm not going to dwell into unless you have specific questions, but your conceptions are all incorrect.. hence why you're being called dumb/unintelligent, since you seem to have difficulties in realizing that. I'm studying MSc in Biomedical Engineering at a very prestige university, yet I still have the time to work out, cook healthy and delicious food, and have an active life with spare time for gaming and spending time with my fiancée.

However, life will only be easy if you find your subjects genuinely interesting. If that is not the case then do not pursue STEM.

Yes, there's a lot of betas.. but there's a lot of alphas too, and I speak from experience.

bboiabb · 2016-09-11T16:05:01+00:00

Oh dear. Yes it's me again, i commented on your last post as well and probably pissed you off by saying the truth. This is a public forum so deal with it.

That reality is that success in STEM and being well-rounded don't seem to go hand-in-hand.

Being a well rounded person is your job not your careers job.

Similar example : I know college guys in big fraternities who couldn't pull for the life of them because they assumed its the job of (being in) a big fraternity to get them laid. By association to the fraternity, it helps. But to be reliant on that is foolish

I've know more homosexuals and obese nerds with high pitched voices flourish in STEM and go on to grad school at top universities than well rounded Alpha men.

Rather than be the "first" alpha, fit, smart STEM worker around those guys, you wanna remain in your comfort zone and fit in rather than stand out. With a mentality like that you'll never be great.

PS: I doubt many engineering students/ engineers here care if you respect what they do/ how they live. You literally hold no value as an internet stranger.

anon1moos · 2016-09-11T16:22:59+00:00

I missed the discussion on part I.

I think your perception of who is successful at "STEM" might be skewed by who you are evaluating. Are you saying the successful undergraduates are obese homosexual high voiced nerds? Based on my personal experience I would say most professors, and highly successful graduate students are not those things. They don't end up being well rounded or "alpha" because of the time commitment to be successful in "STEM" but they are often the kind of people that would be successful in any field.

Additionally, STEM is a misnomer, that lumps together a lot of very different things:

There are some parts of engineering and technology that you can be both successful and well adjusted while making good money.

Science on the other hand is quite low paying, and is the ultimate in Blue Pill. Advancing in science requires an advanced degree, a credential, a piece of paper that you may spend seven years working 80 h weeks for very little money, usually while you're in your 20's. During this long arduous degree, most of my colleagues profess that they learned very little.

In terms of grad school in science 0/10 would not recommend, but I have no idea what sort of field your BS is in. The ROI on a PhD is often very low.

Another possible route is what some of us call a "Masters on the Cheap." Most science and engineering PhD programs are funded, so you don't have to pay tuition and you get a small stipend while you're in the program. If you drop out of the program after a certain checkpoint, usually towards the end of your second year, they'll award you a masters. One could enroll in the PhD program, and then "change their mind" after this checkpoint. The value of doing this would depend on the ROI of your time vs. the added value of a MS over your BS, which in some cases can be substantial. But if you intend to do this, Do Not let your intention slip out to anyone.

OmegaMan2 · 2016-09-11T18:00:47+00:00

It all depends on what you mean by well rounded. No matter what field you go into you'll have to specialize if you want to advance your career. There's no escaping that hard truth.

What is your major? CS I know but are you specializing in anything in particular? You can certainly use your degree as a stepping stone to just about anything. Sales might be right for you. There you would interact with a variety of people. You'd also travel and see many interesting things.

The old adage of

"Jack of all Trades, Master of None"

is especially true of STEM careers. Software contractors in some specialized fields can easily make over £100K a year. That type of skill takes many years of increasingly challenging work and a dedication to self study the likes of which you can barely comprehend.

Mind you some of these contractors are exceptionally well read and are what many people would consider to be reasonably well rounded.

Really, the only limitations you'll face are the ones you place on yourself.

Scroph · 2016-09-11T21:40:47+00:00

You make it sound like it's black and white, like you either have to go full nerd or switch fields. You don't have to go full nerd to the point of sacrificing your health and social life, you can still maintain a healthy lifestyle and leave work at work. Recruiters love the programmers who are passionate about what they do because they can sell them the lie that they're changing the world with the boring work they offer them, salary isn't as important as having a mission right ? A few hours of unpaid overtime is nothing compared to the sense of self-fulfillment the job gives you isn't it ? If you can see through that bull then you'll do just fine, avoid recruiters who use buzzwords like "rockstar" or "ninja". Most of the obese nerds you mentioned were obese nerds even before pursuing that degree. If you're going to sacrifice your social life then at least make sure you're doing it for what you consider to be a worthy cause, like starting your own freelancing business or conquering China.

Perhaps I'm blind, but I don't see STEM proper attracting well rounded people. I see people succeeding at it at the cost of their heath, their relationships, etc.

In my experience, any worthy cause will require you to do this to some degree. In TRP jargon, this is known as "monk mode". Just don't do it solely for the sake of making some rich guy who barely knows you even richer.

My advice would be to at least give it a shot. Work in some software engineering-related field for a year and see where it goes. At best you'll like it, at worst you'll make your bank account fatter.

Title	Avoiding STEM Careers Pt. II
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