I think I believe in this stuff, yet tons of guys I see that are successful with women don't really seem to subscribe to the type of worldview that is espoused here. Plenty of them do completely "beta" things like be friend first, pay for shit, give compliments, act emotionally vulnerable, aren't assholes, take time and wait to escalate, stick to one girl at once, barely lift, and still end up getting girls. The ones that just hit up every girl they see and cold approach all the time seem to come off as overly thirsty and get a bad rep. Idk

I'm not saying everyone I see that pulls is just a complete beta fag or anything, they're usually really cool dudes. But I would be highly surprised if any person I know who is good with women reads the red pill, yet they're doing just fine.

I've lurked almost 2 years. I'm not gonna lie, I've been on both sides of the spectrum and I've had barely any success. 1 kiss since being "unplugged," that's it. These other guys still have something I don't.