"It's never worth the wait" (?)

TRPdating · 2015-02-19T05:18:25+00:00

Plate spinning is to experience abundance, because abundance puts things into perspective for you. Things like whether you should continue to see Jenny when Carly doesn't twat up your dates with drama as often.

When you are dating one person, the toxic idea creeps in that you should wait things out, give a second chance, accept her apology, or otherwise compromise your principles for the sake of the relationship, as opposed to actually holding her accountable for her lying, stealing, fighting, misleading, cheating, or countless other examples of douchery. Plate theory is essentially an awareness reminder: no you don't have to put up with this shit because you can start dating many different women if this one starts misbehaving.

In my experience, I find plate spinning to be exhaustive and the rewards to be shallow at best. I'd rather play a video game, work on my tech skills, lift, or catch up with a friend, than work on PUA. Ultimately, feeling better about yourself because hot women desire you (ie their acceptance) is still oneitis. That said, spinning plates seems like a great tactic to get herpes or HPV, or an unwanted pregnancy.

To answer your question, no they are not contradictory. There are many women who I'd fuck but would never LTR, and that is why there are different classes.

once_ir · 2015-02-19T04:54:16+00:00

One course of action that is logically consistent with both requirements would be to find a girl who would put out with you quickly while she is a virgin (or not many partners far from it), and then lock her down into an LTR.

Not saying that that is advisable. Just pointing out that the ideas are not logically contradictory.

asd1100 · 2015-02-19T23:06:40+00:00

A LTR is not all that good, it's just a different type of lifestyle.

But if you are nexting girls that don't put out by the second date doesn't that mean you miss the girls that would put out but not until date 4?

If she acts like her pussy is paradise but will not give you the pussy, she isn't atracted. Is holding out for further negotiations.

A chick that honestly doesn't want to fuck for some value principle will be upfront and if she is atracted will do anything but PIV to keep you interested.

You reward or next based on the attitude, not simply the sex. A chick that comes to the date dressed like a hooker but then plays the mother teresa card is just a tease, she is used to leverage her sexuality and that is a instant next.

Comparatively if a girl is fun, affectionate, warm and loving, she gets a second chance even if she doesn't put out. But and I insist on this, make it clear that you will not join her in a celibacy vow: you don't mind not fucking her and will continue to see her because she is fun(make this part clear), but you are a man and you will be getting your dick wet with someone else. Once you defined that sexless dinamic, the pressure is off and you just enjoy the dinamic, and let her get comfortable with you.(you have active dread so there isn't a risk there).

Now a chick that wants her sex embargo to be a relationship leverage will never accept this deal(and in response you should never acccept any relationship with her), only a chick that is really into you can accept being your "bottom bitch".(funny enough, those are the type of chicks you want to make your primary and will eventually go long term)

Doesn't the idea of not waiting and dropping girls that would make you wait run against you in the long run if you are one of those guys open to LTR's?

No, any attempt of a woman to use sex as leverage needs to be cut short, this is never negotiable. Cutting out every woman that has that strategy instantly makes all the women you will ever entertain a tier above what the average chump has access to.

Is there a balance somewhere in the middle?

No middle ground, you do not withhold affection and attention, she does not withhold sex. If the relationship is a exchange then you're better off fucking hookers, they are at least honest about their rates.

oldredder · 2015-02-19T05:17:50+00:00

You should only be open to the idea of an LTR and if the girl proves shes worthy then you can have one. But often the idea is that if she doesn't sleep with you on your first or second date then you drop her.

Indeed. This means each new woman is a new chance and a man must decide quickly what he wants. If he drops her he's decided no LTR even if she was good for one. If he beds her quickly he may be confused about her real value for LTR but he's got a plate.

Bottom-line: seeking LTRs is not properly addressed by subreddit 'theredpill'. It flat out isn't. The advice is bad on all counts.

IF you want to avoid being exploited in a bad LTR it's fine.

IF you are already IN the LTR and want to keep that woman in line it's fine.

but IF you are single and HOPE to find an LTR 'theredpill' actually has nothing to offer you. You'll have to make some careful observations & judgment calls and what's in 'theredpill' and 'asktrp' is nearly useless for that transition.

bicepsblastingstud · 2015-02-19T13:12:43+00:00

SO, My Question: Doesn't the idea of not waiting and dropping girls that would make you wait run against you in the long run if you are one of those guys open to LTR's? Is there a balance somewhere in the middle?

Yes, of course.

Focus on the spirit of the rule, not the letter.

tombreck2 · 2015-02-19T15:01:28+00:00

It's not about when you're having sex with the girl to determine whether or not she is LTR material. There are dozens of other factors to consider besides sex

Title	"It's never worth the wait" (?)
Author	MyFirstOtherAccount
Upvotes	2
Comments	11
Date	February 19, 2015 3:40 AM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
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