Why are men killings themselves so much?

coloredzebra · 2017-03-09T19:47:10+00:00

Men are killing themselves because they have no sense of purpose...Look at the past (WW2) Era, men of that era had a sense of drive, and purpose. Well because they had to!

It's been historically proven that in times of peace/prosperity there have been increases in male suicides. Why? Because they have no purpose greater than themselves...It gives you time to think/contemplate instead of focusing on self improvement/or a greater goal.

Ex. Men who returned from war were given the "spoils" for their contributions, and their "Alpha Character Traits"

Meanwhile the ones who stayed back, where often overlooked, seen as weak, etc.

Today's society the dynamic has greatly changed, you have the rise of Feminism, and the Suppression of the male dominance factor. This is stemming from cultural, and medial influences, the true ways of being a man have been long forgotten in my opinion...

Instead of survival in the harshest means, we worry about petty shit like our social media status etc, "If you don't have x followers, you aren't shit" etc, most of which is driven by society, feminism, etc.

I forgot to add, also during peacetime is usually following the events of a mass event which causes emotional trauma to humanity as a whole. War->peacetime, people are grieving etc.

DysfunctionalBrother · 2017-03-09T20:11:05+00:00

A shit ton is causing it. It mostly comes down to lack of real purpose and not being able to be authentic. Our generation was taught from television that we should make trying to get women to love us our purpose, that it will make us happy and fulfilled, but in the end it only causes suffering because women don't love in the same way we do. Plus money does help. Women want to be part of the adventure not the adventure itself. And men want to have a purpose, to belong, those who are not feeling it are suppressing the masculine energy within them.

The mainstream asking men to open up and talk about it are only going to make them suck the masculine energy in more, more ashamed and more likely to kill themselves. Talking to the right people will help. Talking to users on TRP for example, but for the purpose side of things he has to figure it out himself and find teachers who can help him with his purpose whether it's becoming a cage fighter or starting a business in therapy.

WhorehouseVet · 2017-03-09T19:33:38+00:00

That's how women cope, by talking and open up emotionally, however that's just women's solipsism talking here, since women falsely believe what works for them will also work for men.

Men cope differently, men need to bond with other men. I don't have a more detail answer for you, but that's where I'd start.

W_O_M_B_A_T · 2017-03-09T20:12:29+00:00

Good statistics are a bit hard to come by, as suicide depends on large number of factors. Age, location, culture, family status, socioeconomic status, education, genetics, the time of year, etc. Note that anyone who tells you there's a simple, unilateral explanation for suicide is dead wrong.

It's true that men are much more likely to both attempt suicide and successfully kill themselves.

Although women seem to be more likely to suffer from depression or anxiety disorders. It may be true that women are just more likely to be diagnosed as such, report it, and talk about their feelings. However, my personal assessment is that women are in fact more prone to depression and anxiety than men.

It's well known that testosterone levels correlate with an increased incidence of impulsive or risky behaviors in general, and an increased likelihood of extreme beliefs. This would seem to be the greatest common factor.

http://bigthink.com/artful-choice/take-too-much-risk-must-be-the-testosteroneor-not-testosterone-financial-decisions-and-risk

The age group with the highest rate of suicide among men is around 80+. This suggests that men's beliefs about their future prospects are a major factor in suicide. Men may be more likely to have a one-sided view of their future. Also as mention in the article, a lack of testosterone is also correlated with risky behavior and intolerance of ambiguity. So, falling T-levels at the end of life might have something to do with this too.

The second highest age group is about age 18-35. This is the age group where men not only tend to have the highest testosterone, but they tend to earn the least, have the highest rate of unemployment, and are most likely to be single, among other things.

So in the USA at least, I'm tempted to blame a lack of "Living Wage" type standards and laws. It seems obvious to me that paying someone working 45+ hrs/week significantly less than what they need to live independently, is unethical. I also feel the fact that many men's self-esteem and feelings of value is tied to social success and success with women, is a big factor here.

In the mainstream I see basically all efforts to address this problem are encouraging men to talk more and open up.

Talking about suicide alone doesn't tend to help unless it triggers you to get counseling and treatment, or gets others to convince you to do so. Most people who commit suicide, talk about their plans/fantasies to some degree to others.

http://tspn.org/myths-about-suicide

So in my opinion, the strategy should be to intervene directly and get the person to commit to counseling/therapy.

NothingIsPermanent64 · 2017-03-09T19:35:46+00:00

I feel one issue men and women have in the Western world is that they have no conflict at the beginning of their life, they have fun and they have support.

Then, when they reach the age to comprehend suicide, coincidentally they're hit by puberty and then all these issues come about. They start to think they can't go through it, little trivial things matter a lot and then, because they haven't reached anything magnificent in their life they don't think they can go on and therefore they commit something dangerous.

This is IMO, I've been raised in the UK with a fucked up upbringing (I'm from Central Asia, 10x worst) and just the things I see and hear from friends seem so trivial it isn't even funny, but then again I'm 16.

Toussant · 2017-03-09T19:46:51+00:00

Are you referring to anything in particular? Are suicide rates increasing?

Il128 · 2017-03-09T19:59:48+00:00

Earth mother syndrome. Males learn from very early on to depend on women. Umbilical cord, breastfeeding, caretaker, teacher, and girl friend. Then one day, be a man! Provide x,y, and z for a woman and do everything right by her and you'll be happy!

Time passes. Man finds he is very unhappy but decides to toil as as long as she and the children are happy he is a man. Woman bails and takes kids, half of his stuff and half of all his future earnings, reducing him to "visitation and slavery" for nothing. Man's views and ideals are shattered, his world is shit.

Man ends it as his life was a lie and it is hopeless. Earth mother was a lie, everything he knew about being a man was a lie.

Tren_Black · 2017-03-09T22:51:12+00:00

Shitty diet (their bodies build themselves on shitty food= weak bodies), no lifting, sedentary lifestyle, constant being told to be quiet and calm down since adolescence, being told by cunts that urges that we have are wrong, huge inequality between men and women. All these things tank male hormones, increase cortisol, increase stress, obliterate mental health.

Recently I've begun to wake up to my male energy and stop letting it be oppressed by the people around me and tbh I feel like a high testosterone alpha. I do what I want, have a drive, care for others but ultimately don't let them weight in on my life choices. My nutrition is strong and my body is building itself on strong foods and my lifts are going up in the gym. Happy days boys

hatefulreason · 2017-03-09T21:53:55+00:00

the system keeps them down and they're too afraid to fight back or risk going to jail

mcr00sterdota · 2017-03-10T01:35:32+00:00

I think it's feminism and a generation of men being raised by single mums/absent fathers, not enough good males role models

Title	Why are men killings themselves so much?
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