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Why RP men focus so much on gender differences?

R984

June 24, 2015

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I was reading this post:

(http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3axfye/dirty_sheets/)

It's a typical TRP post in which OP wants to show that "AWALT" demonstrating the hypergamous nature of women. If you don't have time to read I'll try to summarize quickly:

OP has a five month monogamous and sexually satisfying relationship with a woman, one night he goes to her home to fuck and finds cum stained sheets. Turns out the girl fucked a pot dealer because she is insatiable.
OP proceed to fuck the girl one last time, then cut all the comunication with her.

I agree to the fact that AWALT, hypergamy, whatever, But there is one thing I really don't understand: If the roles were reversed what would you have done?I'm saying if you are a man in a relationship, you fuck with your girlfriend all weekend and then you get the chance to fuck another girl would you do it or not?

I would do the same. As a matter of fact I did the same in various occasion. I was in a LTR and sometimes I fucked my SO and another girl in the same day, like fuck my SO, go home, take a quick shower, the go to fuck girl N°2.

What is the difference between men and women here?

Cum stain on sheet OP tell us his story because I guess he wants to teach us AWALT and stuff but if that monday, after the weekend sex marathon, another girl came up to him and asked:"would you please fuck me?" I'm 80% positive he would have fucked her. So what's the big deal with Hypergamy AWALT, and stuff like that?

As always Sorry for my poor English...

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Title	Why RP men focus so much on gender differences?
Author	R984
Upvotes	0
Comments	33
Date	June 24, 2015 12:08 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/askTRP
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/asktrp/comments/3axzp0/why_rp_men_focus_so_much_on_gender_differences/
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[–]MrEiffel 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

We focus on differences between the sexes because, contrary to current mainstream ideology, they simply are fundamentally different.

If I go and fuck 333 women, it does not damage my ability to become a loyal husband and good father. There is no biological neural definite link between the physical and the emotional.

A girl can go and fuck 33 men, and her ability to pair bond will be damaged since there is no divide between the emotional and the physical. feels is reals.

Now you can feel this is unfair, sexist, conservative, immoral or whateverthefuck. But it is a reality (Heritage Study). TRP is amoral in the sense that we try to show the underlying mechanics in the sexual marketplace. Whatever you afterwards is up to you.

P.S. the flood of "AAAWAAAALT" "LIIIIFFFT" "FUCK MARRIAGE" newbies on the main sub does paint a very wierd picture.

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[–]R984[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

If I go and fuck 333 women, it does not damage my ability to become a loyal husband and good father. There is no biological neural definite link between the physical and the emotional.

A girl can go and fuck 33 men, and her ability to pair bond will be damaged since there is no divide between the emotional and the physical. feels is reals.

I don't feel this is unfair or sexist at all. I just don't undestrand how that applies to my question. Two people decide to fuck and accept the consequences. If a woman who fucks with too many dudes develop some sort of emotional disability how is that my problem?

My problem is if MY woman fucks with another dude. And I don't see any kink of asymmetry in this because I fucked other women while I was engaged. AND I fell in love with one of those side chick, so you might say I branched (or whatever is the correct term).

This is the whole point: I can applay to myself all that you seem to apply exclusively to women. Can we get to the core of this RP thing? I'm having serius difficulties understanding those difference that all of you see so clearly.

A girl can go and fuck 33 men, and her ability to pair bond will be damaged since there is no divide between the emotional and the physical. feels is reals.

Every time I fuck more than once with a girl I end up developing some sort of feelings and I know women who can fuck around without developing feelings. Some of those women are married now. MAybe they are cheating. But then again I am a cheater too. Is TRP a subbreddit about cheating?

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[–]R984[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a troll, but I can't prove it to you so you are free to think what you want. My statement is pretty simple, I don't know how to phrase it in any simpler. If a woman can get laid easily she still has to get laid to a man. So what I'm telling you is that if a woman get sex easily then there has to be a man who get to fuck her, and for that man getting to fuck her has to be as easy. I work in a restaurant kitchen and the male waiters fucks different women EVERY weekend. Getting laid is easy for them as much as for the women they fuck. It's not rocket science. 1:1 ratio.

Maybe if you are out of shape, broke and ugly you don't get to fuck as much as my waiters friends, but that apply to women too: no one fucks fat ugly chicks.

Is that trolling? Am I being delusional for stating this simple fact that everybody can see every day? Because I see it every day. You go to a bar, you go to the gym, everywhere is full of men and women who get laid pretty easily. Don't you have a friend who fucks random girls non-stop? I mean, TRP is full of posts that prove to you that men get laid as easily as women.

But I don't even need to observe the reality for telling you that. It a fucking no brainer. SEX = 1 woman + 1 man. If woman gets it easily then you HAVE to accept the fact that there is a man who get it as easily as said woman.

Can you tell me why you don't agree with that simple mathematical reality?

I agree with you if you say to me that 10% of men gets to fuck 100% of women. but even in that (realistic) scenario, those 10% of men still get laid ten times easier than women because they get to fuck all of them.

The reality is that normal to good looking women gets easier access to sex than fat neckberads or beta guys, but that is a completely different statement.

I don't know, I feel that my opinion is quite reasonable, and I'd like a real answer instead of generic accusation of me being a troll or delusional. You aren't even trying to attack my idea, you just attacked me.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Have you even read the sidebar? Especially about the Incel guy? He describes perfectly about the difference. His story is about a fat/ugly slob chick that can still get successful and good looking men. While he was Incel for 13 years. 13 fucking years of no sex for that guy. Was he beta, sure. Was his ability to get laid as easy as the fat slob he described? No. The fact of the matter is, even the top 10% have to put in some effort. Whereas the top 50% of women just have to open their legs. I'd suggest reading sidebar and seeing where we are coming from before thinking there is no difference.

And I agree. As a former waiter, it's very easy to get laid. Just like it's easy in HS to get laid by your fellow McDonald's workers. It's not necessarily the men, it's the environment. You work with semi-attractive people that are around each other and work closely with each other everyday. Spend weekends with each other because their days off are different from the rest of society. Services breeds that kind of "fuck your coworker" mentality.

[–]R984[S] 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sometimes I feel like this sub is full of loosers. It's not even a feeling, it's a reality. A succesfull man, an alpha male, doesn't even know what reddit is probably. The gist of my post was to underline the pathetic nature of the TRP reader (I put myself at the first place in this category). Too often I read posts that are nothing but a rant, written by butthurt guys. When I read AWALT!!! in a post I feel sick to my stomach, because I only see a betafag ranting... AWALT guys! AWALT! AWALT your mother, betafag. I mean, be a fucking man. AWALT my ass. FEELS my ass. MAN are the one who have fragile minds and feelings, and this subreddit is the proof. Thousands of butthurt guys screaming AWALT, "don't get married", "don't have children", "die alone" "live your life like it's a collection of one night stands". I'm not defending anyone, especially women. I'm not defending the social narrative of my parents, made of commitment, monogamy, family values and all that bullshit. But dude, some posts here are pretty ridiculous. People trying to rationalize a broken heart by spilling acronyms over the internet. Your high school sweetheart cheated on you and you go to the internet spilling shit and trying to make that convincing by filling your mouth with AWALT MGOTW BP RP ALPHA BRAVO CHARLIE CC DIO PORCO. 10% of the guys, 53% of women. The fucking 95° percentile, the normal distribution. What hte fuck are you even talking about? where did you get those numbers? is there a study on the subject I'm not aware of? This is fucking pathetic.

That was the point I tried to make in my post. Thanks for the reply.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So, you're still connected and just came here to troll? Yes, real "Alpha" men probably never would have found this sub. They also would have eventually got married and divorce raped, etc. And there are a lot of rants here. You do realize it's a phase and a process to let your anger of realizing the truth. So, let's say this sub is filled with a bunch of betafags, you know what they are doing? They are trying to learn how to get out of that conditioned state that they've been trained and work on a new life/image.

Nowhere in the TRP dogma does it say "don't have children", "die alone", or "live your life like it's a collection of one night stands". That the image you projected onto with your lack of knowledge.

As far as the percentages, I could probably pull some real ones up somewhere (since I probably lowballed it anyway), but there are multiple studies about the 80/20 rule. And look TRP isn't only for single guys. We have a whole sub of us married guys for TRP (that learned the truth after marriage). The Acronyms and jargon we use is for TRP. You can go into any industry/forum/etc., especially if it's tech/online and see there jargon as well.

[–]R984[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nowhere in the TRP dogma does it say "don't have children", "die alone", or "live your life like it's a collection of one night stands". That the image you projected onto with your lack of knowledge.

I can literally copy and paste at least a thousand comments that says "guys!! Don't get married!" Don't have children!!" Every other posts there's a comment like this. If they are not comments of butthurt people I don't know what they are...

I totally agree with you on the fact that this sub is a kind of step needed in order to go from point beta to point alpha, and I was kinda naive not to recognize it sooner.

But I still think that trying to resolve insecurities and issues by crying about how unfair life is and how women have it easier it's a waste of time, and it's ridicolous. In my opinion the more experienced users should try to highlight and discourage the use of statistics (often made up on the spot) that have the sole purpose of feeding the bitterness against women and relationships. Being bitter is the worst part of the awakening and no one should indulge in it longer than necessary. I see no utility in ranting and circlejerking talking shit about women, since those are the same women you want to fuck and be intimate with. Being bitter, talking shit and calling women sluts doesn't gets you closer to having fun and being a better and more balanced individual.

I hope you get my point, and I'm sorry if I come through as offensive. I'm not here to troll or offend anyone, you can see my comment history if you don't belive me.

[–]Moldy_Gecko1 point 11 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I'm most definitely not disagreeing with "don't get married". That is the MOST true statement in our current society that TRP and MRP can suggest. Children is up to you and is usually the reason that people say they "want to get married". Our rebut to that is you can have children without marriage and you can have a Long Term Relationship with a woman without marriage.

I think you are missing what TRP is though. TRP is 2 things.

1.) It gives you some insight on the true nature of women. 2.) It is male sexual strategy.

Knowing "1", you will typically shy away from marriage. "2" is the part where you are talking about "life is a string of ONS." The thing is, it's not all about that if that's how you feel and you can always go back to your beta ways if that's what you like. There are those of us in MRP (Married Red Pill) that find a way to make marriage work (Although we never suggest single guys get married).

The Anger phase is usually the first phase and it follows the many phases of grief. It's grief because you realize everything you've been taught your whole life and the prospect of that unicorn is almost all gone. You essentially lose yourself when you realize all this. Those of us that are older go through this phase a lot faster imo (I practically skipped it). However, there are many young guys that come here and their world gets flipped upside down. You can't fast forward someones anger phase, it's going to last until they get to the final stage of grieving.

As far as talking shit and whatever to get closer to women, that's not the point. That's why there are different tags for different things. Red PIll is for good examples. Blue Pill is for bad Examples. Meta is usually for Red Pill Philosophy. Rant is for Ranting. However, anyone can post on any of those so the first thing you MUST read is the sidebar (all of it), because it gives you more insight by the actual people that know what they are talking about.

Also, when you spend enough time on TRP, you learn who the people you should discuss/listen to are and who is a nobody that has no clue what's going on, but read some stuff and thinks he knows. Honestly, I wish they had a longer post restriction (i.e. you can't create a thread without being here 6+months).

Now, here is the thing. Some of the stuff may make us look like misogynists. Most people refer to "treat women like children" or a "Mature Teenager" as very misogynistic. The shitty thing about reality is reality. If women that you treat like mature teenagers give you more attention/care/sex with less cheating than the ones you treat like mature adults, wouldn't teach people to treat them like children? Remember, women will say that's not what they want and that it's misogynistic, but as we say on TRP, pay attention to their actions, not their words.

And I can agree with you on the stats thing. I do it sometimes, but I tend to find if I fact check myself after, I'm usually right.

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Oh I'm not in a relationship anymore. Single for the last three years, I was talking about the past but I'm lazy and can't english. I used to love this girl, then this other girl wanted to fuck. I like to fuck. I fucked that other girl but I didn't want to lose the security of a stable relationship. My gf was my beta buck, where the "buck" is emotional support and stability instead of money and stuff.

I mean, the world is full of male cheater, I think you can understand why a man fucks random chicks and then return to the safety of his home, you don't need me to tell you why or what goes trough a cheater's mind. Why Am I not considered hypergamous? Why is my ex gf not considered a "BB"? If she does that she's a slut awalt, Hypergamous, tingles shit, seeking alpha cock and shit like that, but if I do that I'm just a cheater. Why?

I don't know man. I think that when a woman cheats on her man, she knows in her head what she is doing just like I do. I think that women tend to deny it because they know that men don't like whores, just like you would never tell a girl that you cry yourself asleep every night because you know that a girl might not like a fragile and insecure dude.

A man needs to know that his sperm and his sperm only goes in that particularwomans belly, and that's why we all get mad about women cheating and say things like:

If I go and fuck 333 women, it does not damage my ability to become a loyal husband and good father. [...] A girl can go and fuck 33 men, and her ability to pair bond will be damaged since there is no divide between the emotional and the physical. feels is reals.

What does that even mean?

Women don't have this paternity related insecurity. And as far as I know that's it, there are no other differences.

I know I can be wrong, I'm just waiting for someone to prove me wrong with some solid argument.

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Of course we talk about women because they are the object of our interest, but you dont say "all people are like that and women, the object of our interest, in particular", you say that women, and not man, are like that.

I don't think it's so hard to exchange place with the girl from the "cum sheets" post, I think that most man wouldn't turn down a good fuck no matter what, engaged or not.

So my question here is: "does TRP has "loyalty to your SO" as one of its core values or what? Why can't the "cum sheets" post OP just say: "I've met a shitty person who betrayed me"? English is not my first language so maybe I can't really explain myself... But let's try: What if we are now in two X cromosome subreddit and I am a girl telling the exact same story: "my boyfriend fucked another chick, I found a used tampon in the trash at his home, I confronted him and he denied, then I got a confession. He tried to call me but I blocked him.". Tell me: Why all your hypergamous nature, Awalt, and hamstering doesn't apply in this situation? I'm asking because I've been in a similar situation. Why aren't AMALT, am I not hypergamous? Am I not hamstering when I tell my gf I love her when I fuck a chick on the side just to empty my testicles?

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure, you can be AMALT... that's fine. I think the difference is in our nature. Men are supposed to sleep and spread their seed. Women are supposed to find the strongest seed. Men use logic moreso. Women use feels moreso. Much easier to pursuade feels to do something bad than logic.

That's my take on it. But what it really comes down to is what the guy replied to you said. We aren't on TRP looking to use our sexual strategy to pursue men, so why would we care about AMALT? Our focus is women, so we talk about them. How men act is irrelevant.

Also, a lot of what we do is a preemptive attack. We know what women like and want, so we act like they want. Spinning plates = abundance mentality = image of being top 20% = Women's Kryptonite. Not giving a fuck is an Alpha trait that women like. A lot of us start out beta fucks (the kind that wouldn't cheat, be cuckold, etc) until we get screwed over and upset enough times to say "FUCK IT". I mean, that's what brings most people to TRP. Then, those former nice guys that wouldn't cheat on their girl, etc., become cheating assholes. And that's fine, because that's the kind of guy that attracts women. Men, on the other hand, don't like those kind of girls. We want a feminine virgin that fucks like a freak. Yeah, we're messed up too. But that's not what this sub is about. This sub is about how to make yourself one of the 20% that women are attracted to.

[–]R984[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We want a feminine virgin that fucks like a freak.

That's what you want, not me.

We aren't on TRP looking to use our sexual strategy to pursue men, so why would we care about AMALT?

We shouldn't. I was trying to say that a lot of posts here are only a rant from butthurt betafags. When you conceive a principle such as "AWALT" that can only mean that you are so butthurt that you have lost every bit of rational thinking to the point that you have to resort to such a groos generalization. My gf fucked another dude!! AWALT! AWALT! Dude.... Come on... half of the posts in this subreddit are a fucking circlejerk/witch hunt.

Recently I discovered some youtube channels: "Real social dynamics". They make much more sense to me. They teach me some useful stuff without that constant butthurt slut shaming that TRP has become.

Thanks for the reply

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[–]R984[S] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You always here that you want the sweet, innocent girl. And then not a post later they are talking about pumping and dumping chicks. Either is good, but it's that dichotomy I was pointing out.

And don't you think it's a little bit delusional and childish? I think we should stay with our feet on the ground and look at the reality for what it is. Only a blue pill man could be so naive and deluded to want his girl to be innocent and pure and at the same time be a slut, but only with him. that's a neckbeard fantasy. If you date girls if you live in the real world, you know what people are like. I think we should discurage this kind of irrational and useless thinking/desires.

As far as AWALT, obviously not all women are completely like THAT, but there is enough that we are saying don't think yours is the unicorn, because that's how you end up getting screwed over when you least expect it. So yes, most the women we talk about on her are AWALTs.

That's actually a good point, I didn't see it that way before you pointed it out. My concern is that "AWALT" is often used in a more radical way, or at least that my impression. Saying AWALT can be a dangerous overseplification, because sometimes it's used like a replacement for a more constructive answer. It's often used as a magic formula to end all possible arguments on women behavior.

[–]Moldy_Gecko0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You always here that you want the sweet, innocent girl. And then not a post later they are talking about pumping and dumping chicks. Either is good, but it's that dichotomy I was pointing out.

And don't you think it's a little bit delusional and childish? I think we should stay with our feet on the ground and look at the reality for what it is. Only a blue pill man could be so naive and deluded to want his girl to be innocent and pure and at the same time be a slut, but only with him. that's a neckbeard fantasy. If you date girls if you live in the real world, you know what people are like. I think we should discurage this kind of irrational and useless thinking/desires.

Maybe you just don't know what dichotomy means, but essentially, I was agreeing with you. This is the contradictory part of TRP. And the one part that I mainly disagree with. But it is the "Unicorn" fantasy that isn't possible. And we accept that, which is why we tend to pump and dump. However, most guys here do WANT that kind of girl, it's just not a reality.

That's actually a good point, I didn't see it that way before you pointed it out. My concern is that "AWALT" is often used in a more radical way, or at least that my impression. Saying AWALT can be a dangerous overseplification, because sometimes it's used like a replacement for a more constructive answer. It's often used as a magic formula to end all possible arguments on women behavior.

You're right. It does often get used as the go to. However, all the "more constructive answers" should be in the sidebar somewhere. We also have /r/asktrp which I like to answer in (if I know), but hate to ask a question in because most guys that tend to answer in there are the neckbeard/keyboard warriors that actually have no fucking clue what they are talking about.