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[–]eszibit 53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I don't think u needed IOI's. The fact that she accepted the date and was with you for 6 hours is a big freakin IOI. Did u try to kiss?
She is from a conservative background, how do you think she'd know how to flirt?
I had girls like that and you really need to know what you're doing and push the boundaries. From my point of view you messed up on multiple levels. You didn't know how to take charge, you're now complaining on reddit and you didn't learn anything from it.
Sorry if it seems mean, i don't want it to sound like it. The only good thing you got going for you, is that these types of girls don't pressure you into anything and they can give u multiple chances, since they are not just dating around and hop on to the next guy.
Plan another date, have fun ( stop with the waste of time, having a good date is never a waste of time ) and for the love of God be more manly and touch her ( friendly ) and go for a kiss. She might say no 1-2-3 times, but as long as she's not offended or upset, just carry on, make her laugh and feel good and try again.
[–]dyldo__ 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I love the constructive criticism. Usually with more westernized women I have no issue breaking the touch barrier but with her I had no idea what was acceptable and what was not, so no I didn’t kiss her, didn’t hold her hand and tried to hug her when i first saw and it wasn’t the smoothest of hugs from her end
[–]eszibit 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
women are women are women, they respond to same stuff, especially since she is not used to being touched by guys. But this girl seems to be girlfriend material, so really think if you want to go for it or not. Break the touch barrier, and go for the kiss, no excuses. you got this bro, try again
[–]dyldo__ 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
she may either kiss me back or slap me. I’ll let you know how that goes
[–]eszibit 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
i swear to God or any fake deity that you think is thinking about our puny lives that she won't slap you. These type of innocent girls are the best imo and are totally worth the pursuit.
If she agrees to a 2nd date she likes you. But that doesn't mean she will let you kiss her that easy so even if it doesn't work the 1st time, laugh it off, change the subject, try again later. But yeah, would love to know if it worked.
[–]dyldo__ 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
worth the whole pursuit man… i will ask her out again
[–]111Adonis 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
@dyldo yes ask her out for another date. Seems like a nice person to know. I'm cheering for you to have success with this woman 🎯
[–]111Adonis 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great advice 🎯
[–]Milksteaknow -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Putting her on a pedestal….
[–]dyldo__ 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
tell me you’re redpilled without telling me you’re redpilled
[–]Dogo_Design -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don’t have to be redpilled to see it
[+]Milksteaknow -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Once you see the truth you can never go back…
[–]SalesAficionado 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I had the same experience recently with an Arab chick from Saudi Arabia. Coffee date and then second date at a restaurant. I escalated big time. Was not open to it. I went for the kiss at the end and she gave me the cheek. I was like “is this illegal in Saudi Arabia” laughing. We both laugh and she went her way. You’re totally right. Women are women. You have to push boundaries.
[–]dyldo__ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good to hear bro. I know Saudi women can be like that… gotta lead the way
[–]weird-but-hawt -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Dating these girls is a real risk of getting stabed to death by her brother.
Most of them are unwilling to adapt to Western values (for their girls that is. Their boys can use any western girl for their liking)
Just stating fact's. Ban incoming 📨
[–]dyldo__ 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Which is why I was careful about how I break the touch barrier with her
[–]eszibit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you think the chance of getting harmed is more than 0% i would just look for another girl, there are plenty out there and it's never worth it
[–]weird-but-hawt1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you are looking to be serious with her than you run less risk but still.
Casually dating a girl from those families is risky!
Muslims are not openminded and (assuming you are non muslim) the family wont like it that all of her kids would probably also be non-muslim as well since you are the man in the relationship.
Just be careful man! Inform urself about her fam before u take her to bed.
[–]eszibit 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fair enough, i don't know enough about the culture to have an opinion on that, i was just saying if she is a normal conservative girl
[–]norwegiandoggo 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
What did she want? Women often times enter dating without a specific goal in mind. If she's from such a background expect problems. Many just want to get married before doing anything at all
[–]dyldo__ 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
she is dating to marry apparently
[–]norwegiandoggo 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Not a bit surprised considering her background. That's how those cultures operate. They believe sex outside marriage is a sin, and that the biggest achievement a girl can have is to marry someone great
[–]dyldo__ -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I knew that already, but I like a challenge
[–]norwegiandoggo 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This subreddit is about accomplishing your goals in relationships or casual sex. You are doing the opposite of seduction: trying to fail on purpose. Are you also trying to hit on lesbians? Don't be that guy thinking he can manipulate people to give up their values and preferences. It just makes you an asshole. Respect what people want
[+]dyldo__ -11 points-10 points-9 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If it was easy, i wouldn’t feel it is worth having which would lead me to cheat
[–]norwegiandoggo 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps there's a subreddit for martyrdom or something like that. Someone who likes suffering. I don't get it at all. I think this is now outside seduction and entering into mental health issues territory. Maybe you should seek out a therapist as to why you desire to behave in a counter-productive manipulative way. This doesn't seem healthy to me at all. Big yikes
[+]dyldo__ -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I can tell you have never gotten laid because you’re way too emotional man
[–]norwegiandoggo 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude 😂 I'm 34. what do you think. I'm judging you based on what you wrote. You're judging me based on the fact I'm calling you out for acting like an ass
[–]dyldo__ 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
not once did I mention I want to change her beliefs and neither did I mention I want casual sex. I simply just wanted to know where I went wrong on the date. I liked the idea of a challenge because she was reserved, I was gonna be a first for alot of experiences with her and she is not a women that is busting it open for just any guy
[–]Careless_Valuable5963 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Let's be real, you're both virgins 😂
[–]Draxacoffilus -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Do these women actually wait for marriage though? Like, if she won’t sleep with you early on, is she really waiting for marriage, or is she just sleeping with other guys but doesn’t want to sleep with you?
[–]dyldo__5 points 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I live in a Muslim country and the women usually wait until marriage
[–]norwegiandoggo 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They're waiting for marriage
[+]leetcoder2171 points 3 years ago [recovered] [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
bruh, why arw u so surprised. In muslim countries and conservative places alike, they all (> 90%) stay virgin until marriage out of choice
[–]leetcoder2171 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
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[–]dyldo__ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]leetcoder217 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My actual previous to previous comment was directed at other person not OP but since u replied, gave u a reply.
[–]Draxacoffilus 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The reason I asked is because I’ve heard people say that, in practice, in these countries, most people sleep around and then say they’re still a virgin. I was just double-checking
[–]Unique_Suspect8711 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Jesus. Do you read what you write?
You literally said her innocence turns you on (you kinky bastard you) and now you are surprised she didn’t just give you head in a park on a first date (im being sarcastic don’t get all emotional on me)???
Gal has zero dating experience, she was probably excited to spend a day with a fun boy and my man…it will take a long time before you even kiss her. And she will blush big time.
Decide on your target market. Date Jessicas and get head or date inexperienced quiet girls and do the work.
Another option is that your game sucks and you thought pulling a repressed girl will be easy lay. If that’s the case, you’re an asshole
[+]dyldo__1 points 3 years ago [recovered] [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I knew what I was getting myself into. I live in a muslim country head in the parking lot can get you jail time or deported or even worse her family can intervene if they ever found out.
I simply just came here to get some advice
[–]Unique_Suspect8711 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]dyldo__ 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
thanks g
[–]Milksteaknow 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Did you not go for the kiss at the end? Regardless of IOIs…always go for the kiss. Some girls simply don’t show IOIs yet when you go for the kiss you’re taken back by how into it they are.
nah man I didn’t… can’t kiss in public
[–]Milksteaknow 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If that’s a cultural thing then you’d have to figure out a spot that provides isolation and privacy
[–]Petyr111 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So you didn't go for a kiss and is complaining about her? I don't get it.
Always kiss in the first date. Is she refuses, there won't be a second date from my part.
What did you want her to do?
[–]dyldo__ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
PDA is looked down upon where I live
[–]Petyr111 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What is pda?
public display of affection
[–]Petyr111 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay....so what you wanted to happen?
[–]Milksteaknow -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Spot on
[–]cryptosis420 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://youtu.be/TrRbB-qUJfY
[–]weird-but-hawt 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I would never date religious arab girls from those backgrounds...
Their families are unwilling to adapt to Western values and you might get stabbed to death by one of her brothers to honour the family.
[–]ShivStarKiller -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I second this. Islamic women are also able to manipulate men better because their culture teaches them to be naive and submissive to attract men (hence why OP was attracted to her innocence), but with a western influence on them, they use that for evil. I fell and got set up by many of these women, and to this day a hijab is a huge red flag for me
[–]weird-but-hawt 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I also dont like hijabs because in the west hair is a way for a women (and anyone for that matter) to express their personality and look cute.
I hate how they want us to adapt to their customs and be fine with it.
I dont know about the manipulation thing tho, if you are in ur masculine they won't try to play you and you wont stand for that.
[–]Repulsive-Fee393 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So when I was younger I took my now ex gf out for the first time, she was hot so I was quite nervous, but my headspace was i’m going to kiss this girl whatever happens. So I pick her up from work, we stop at McDonalds for a drink, get on the bus, end up at the park on the benches, it’s kind of awkward and quiet, but like I said headspace, I pick my moment and go for the kiss, she rejects me, turns away and continues talking, she’s still here and I’m still hanging in so a few minutes later I try again and we lock lips for about 2 seconds before she pulls away and says why are we kissing, ffs right. Anyway a bit more chitchat and I go for it a third time and we’re now making out. Sooooo idk micro ioi’s might not be worth reading into too much, maybe the macro point of view is more important. But you definitely should have kissed her, idiot.
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I knew what I was getting myself into. I live in a muslim country head in the parking lot can get you jail time or deported or even worse her family can intervene if they ever found out.
I simply just came here to get some advice
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