Grouper is a service in some major cities where you signup with two friends and then get sent on what is basically a group blind date with three other girls at a predefined location (not chosen by you).

Benefits:

  • Finding out about bars/lounges that are making an effort to get more clientele on off nights. A lot of these places are gems that are just off the radar, others not so much.

  • Some girls who would never do online dating will still do this because it's safe and they're still with their friends. They have a lot of plausible deniability that they are just 'doing it for fun' and not necessarily looking for anything.

  • You don't have to approach / open. You can focus on attraction / mid-game.

  • Even if you don't like any of the girls in your grouper you still get instant social proof because you're in a group with females. Keep in mind I've been on a lot of these and it's mostly HB6's. You're not going to find any 9's and 10's on this but you may be able to parlay the social proof to approach an unrelated HB out in the field.

  • If you don't like the starting location you can (and should) bounce to another. There is an included "free" drink for everyone at the meet location but you're not obligated to stay there.

  • Assuming you've chosen good wingmen, it's really easy to number close because everyone feels more comfortable. More like going out with a big group of friends than a first date.

Last Night:

  • One of my wingmen bail so it's two guys three girls, already off to a good start.

  • The girls come in together and introduce themselves. My foreign friend shakes their hands and pulls of the double cheek kiss. I shake hands with two because of physical logistics and then hug the last one. I always try to hug in this setting because it's an easy shortcut up the kino ladder.

  • I'm trying to take everything all at once and don't position myself properly. After I assess the girls attractiveness I realize my wing is sitting next to my favorite and I'm holding court with the other two. We have a fair amount of shared interests and I start pouring out factoids.

  • Due to excellent winging I am constantly being talked up to my target and she eventually leans in and asks me about something specific that gives me the excuse to get up and go sit next to her.

  • We bounce to another bar after the first drink. However, on our way out, I see the other Grouper and open them. I don’t remember exactly what I say but I’m body rocking (because we’re actually leaving) and everyone in the group is engaged. My target notices what I’ve done and walks over. Note: I think it’s a huge attraction switch when girls see you open strangers, not sure what it is. One of the guys from their group keeps heckling “did you get her number? blah blah blah” and I ignore him until we’re walking away and then say “no, I didn’t get it... yet.” In retrospect I could have said “She hasn’t gotten my number yet.”

  • The girl who’s getting the least attention decides she’s leaving. This could have really screwed everything up if they had driven together. I assume my wingman (who is something of a natural) had this in mind when occupying the girl who was better friends with my target. Next time, figure out who drove who and who is better friends. This can make or break end game logistics.

  • We move to the next spot and my friend and I are DHVing for me a shitload. My friend is also sort of disqualifying both of us by giving probably a ten minute compendium on the various consistencies of cum. It’s the kind of thing I think only he could pull off.

  • My target doesn’t mind any of my kino on lower back, shoulder, etc. She briefly touches me in conversation. I talk about some awesome event I went to and she suggests we make plans to do something similar. I decide she’s attracted enough for now.

  • I start qualifying her, talking about her interests, work etc. The bar we’re at closes.

  • We walk back to our cars hug and say goodbye and I calibrate going for the kiss. Our faces get close but she's not going for it. She says something else, we hug again and I more obviously go in for the kiss. She embarrassedly smiles and quietly says "I'm not kissing you here in front of these people (my wing and her friend)."

Questions

  • How can I make a girl invest more? She didn’t text back the next day and when she finally got back to me she explicitly required our second date to happen in a public place.

  • What’s a good excuse to get isolation on a date like this?

Lessons

  • Having an awesome wingman is priceless

  • Be seated in a place where nothing will get in the way of making a proper introduction -- hug everyone.

  • You still have to isolate.

  • Figure out who drove who or which two girls are better friends and make sure you or your wing give those girls the most attention. Otherwise, one may get bored and drag your target home with her.

tl;dr - got a girls number, ‘rejected’ for a k-close twice, girl suggested we make plans but responded a day later