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[–]aswjacob[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Pm me
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Could u pm me it too pls?
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
PM me
[–]ultra_violet007 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If a woman resists you, stop trying to fucking kiss her. This is not due to her "social conditioning", but is because she doesn't want to kiss you. So stop pandering rape culture and if you feel so entitled to think the only reason a woman doesn't want to kiss you is because she doesn't know any better, you're a moron and a predator.
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol. If I was a predator after 10 years of approaching women I would have gotten into some type of legal trouble but never have. If I was pandering rape culture then my students would be in jail but they never have. Im speaking from experience not from an angry bitter feminist prospective. Done with this conversation.
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[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You guys are both out of line. Insults do not move the conversation forward. Neither does jumping straight to inflammatory language. I'm pointing at all of these contributions from both of you.
you're a moron and a predator. angry bitter feminist prospective You're so fucked up.
you're a moron and a predator.
angry bitter feminist prospective
You're so fucked up.
Furthermore, /u/aswjacob, it was really out of line to start digging through their post history to look for things to attack. You went out of your way to commit a ad hominem fallacy.
Moving on to the topic of disagreement, which coincidentally, is why this post got taken down, you (aswjacob) ought to realize that escalation is not about ignoring the feedback that a woman is giving.
Guys need to be learning how to pay attention to that feedback so they learn how to adapt to a changing situation.
Sure, sometimes women like to escalate fast, but sometimes they also like to stop or pause the action, and it's entirely too easy to take the interpretation from your post that men should be ignoring that feedback and just plowing forward anyway.
[–]ultra_violet007 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I apologize for escalating and using language that's not conducive to a productive conversion. I got very angry at the original post and I appreciate your involvement in helping create a more accurate and positive way to interact with women.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas[M] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Your submission was removed because the idea of pushing through "resistance" could too easily be construed as suggesting that men should not pay attention to a girl's feedback as they are trying to escalate. This could not be further from the truth. I'm willing to consider putting this post back up if some edits addressing this issue can be made.
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Dude, I mention about pulling back in the four times rule. Go back in re read the post bro. You think Im dumb enough to suggest to guys not pay attention and use calibration. After 10 years of doing this shit? Go into my history and look at all my post in seddit bro. Look at my conversation post in the sidebar dude. This is ridiculous.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
... I mention about pulling back in the four times rule.
Which is also not as helpful as you might think.
As you yourself even imply below, calibration is necessary.
Simply trying 4 times is not calibration.
If you can't see the issue in how you've phrased things in your post, then we're at an impasse.
If you want to be the next guy bringing down the media on himself for putting out advice that can be misconstrued in potentially illegal ways, like RSD Julien or Tofu Tofu did, then do it somewhere else.
Other moderators would have just taken your post down without comment or discussion. You responded to my feedback by doubling down and demanding a phone call from me.
Which I might point out, is a poor example of the calibration you claim to be a proponent of.
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude we disagree. I did nothing like RSD and to compare me to that is insane lol. Trying 4 times is calibration and I do it all the time infield. Pulling back is calibration dude. When a woman shows she isnt comfortable with the escalation and you pull back that is calibration dude. Been doing it for 10 years. I didnt demand anything bro, I asked you to call me man to man so we can speak. Thats all. Not sure what your beef is but we can have a disccusion as man or you can hide behind your reddit account. Thats on you brother. I have done nothing but added value to this sub then you try to flex on me, I dont appreciate that.
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude we disagree. I did nothing like RSD and to compare me to that is insane lol.
There are issues with what you've posted, as it's not properly geared towards newbs, and it could too easily be taken as advice to ignore feedback from women during escalation. I understand where your post was coming from, and realize that you're not advocating rape. But newbs won't know the difference and what you've posted could too easily be taken the wrong way.
Whether or not you choose to acknowledge this or not, is beside the point. We've had negative attention brought to this sub because of posts like this, and we're not going to court bad press. Now, if you can't see this from our point of view, then that's a problem.
If you need me to be more specific as to where the problem is, I can be. If you want to keep changing the subject, then we're at an impasse.
[–]aswjacob[S] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As long as you realized I wasnt advocating rape that is what I wanted you to understand. We are good. Im done with the back and forth, lets move forward.
[–]aswjacob[S] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You arent my father bro, I dont need you trying to shame me. I dont know what your beef is but talk to me as a man. If you have a problem with me call me bro. We can talk on the phone. I will PM you my number.
I've pointed out things that both of you were doing wrong.
They apologized.
You took it personally and demanded a phone call.
Look, you can try to push me around to your heart's content, but I will not tolerate the kind of rhetoric you both were engaged in, during that exchange that had to be taken down. That kind of rhetoric has no place here.
We are here to have civil conversations about concepts and ideas. Not to make personal attacks.
Bro nobody is trying to push you around. Stop it dude. One chick who will probably never be on the sub again crys rape culture and you come to the rescue meanwhile I have been posting on this sub for more then an entire year and you dont give me the benefit of the doubt and wont even have a conversation with me. Ok dude.
[–]the_christian_grey 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good stuff, especially number four. It's the woman's job to resist and the man's job to push past that resistance. Probably should have mentioned something about building comfort though. You're following the tried and true Mystery Method but skipping that step.
Hand on shoulder then claw her shoulder.
[–]essexaspie -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
''Sparking attraction'' is basically everything in 'game', and where all of the guys who don't have looks tend to fall at the first hurdle. Sure, you can make her laugh and tease her, but that won't 'spark sexuak attraction' in a girl who doesn't find you attractive, imo
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
...all of the guys who don't have looks.... ....that won't 'spark sexuak attraction' in a girl who doesn't find you attractive, imo
...all of the guys who don't have looks....
....that won't 'spark sexuak attraction' in a girl who doesn't find you attractive, imo
The flaw in your logic here is assuming that one girl not finding you "attractive," means that you are universally unattractive to all women.
There really is no accounting for taste, and attraction has a lot of factors, including, appearance, emotional baggage, confidence, etc. I've seen ugly guys who pulled girls in a variety of difficult situations, and I've seen guys with model good looks, shoot themselves down with girls who were closing THEMSELVES, only to turn around and say that they had no chance.
It's not "looks." And if there's a guy who was so unattractive that no one could love them, I haven't met him yet. If you have a flesh-eating cancer that destroys your face, maybe then you might start to have some difficulty.
But some guys just aren't that attractive to women
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Each guy is attractive to some women, and not others.
And the only way to find out which woman you're dealing with, is to get in there and interact.
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