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every day on this sub lol
/r/seduction20/07/19 01:35 PM
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Well every day on this sub people always say ''Don't worry. Girls don't care about looks at all, dude'' lol. ​ Meanwhile handsome dudes are getting hit on leg, right and centre lol
/r/seduction20/07/19 12:11 PM
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To be honest, you read every day on this sub 'girls don't care about looks, bro'' so it kind of needed to be said tbh
/r/seduction20/07/19 11:41 AM
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I can obviously see what you are saying about mixing up models. Although I kind of see it as a separate model. i'm sure you're aware of RSDJeffy. Are you also aware of Surgical pickup etc? They seem to use a similar style/model which, seems to basicalyl be Jeffies model Jeffy said his model was: Open. Usually self amused Can be direct or indirect. Some of his are ''I'm the next moron of the night come to hit on you'' or sometimes just an indirect comment Swing through the opener - most of the ti…
/r/askTRP02/07/19 04:47 PM
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thanks for that post. It made me try to think hard about previous sets where I got the kiss to see if I can try to see patterns in my own 'successes' in terms of my behaviour etc, although each situation is obviously different! I had an interaction last week with a super hot, half my age MMA fighter girl. I opened her slightly more direct in a kind 'who are you?!' RSD way. She smiled and got slightly close. THAT gave me the info I needed to be more direct with her (info I never got from the girl…
/r/askTRP02/07/19 11:13 AM
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Break off, push and pull. I take it you mean push/pull as in showing interest and disinterest through silence and bodylanguage as opposed to PUA lines like ''You and me wouldn't get along'' or whatver? Most women will not do this out of fear of angering someone or plain decent manners You must not have been to the UK! Me and every other guy I know regularly gets told to go away after opening a girl who isn't into us! (I was actually reading an FR from a Brit on here recently who got lots of 'go …
/r/askTRP01/07/19 07:44 AM
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after hitting the social hook point, the goal is to get her to flirt with you Yes, that would be ideal and make everything 10x easier (and this obviously happenes on occasion when I open a girl who is into me) but I'm talking about the girls who aren't flirting with me and I can't get her to flirt with me (or maybe i'm not sure exactly how to try to force it?)
/r/askTRP01/07/19 07:39 AM
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This is it. She either likes your looks or doesn't. If she likes your looks you have a chance with her. There isn't any way to "verbally create attraction" no matter what the puas say. I've seen a few users dispute this recently. Lets see what they have to say I think it was /u/brabg /u/xoxuv
/r/askTRP30/06/19 12:46 PM
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I think it's just the definition of game that has changed The old definition was more about game being a 'skill' where if you knew the right things to say to get her emotions going etc and you could get most girls in bed, even if you are like 4ft tall and 70, hitting on teenage models. Obviously that turned out to basically be a scam lol. The new definition of game is more about 'being your best self', get as ripped and as rich as you can. Get hobbies and build natural confidence. Then hit on gi…
/r/seduction27/06/19 10:46 AM
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qualification doesn't seem to be a necessary step to be honest. You don't see it in most infields. Certainly not as a 'step' like back in the mystery days. Just through general chit-chat the girl basically 'assumes' that you want her for more than her looks. The whole 'what else do you have going for you other than your looks?'' mystery line is actually counter productive in my experience
/r/seduction02/08/18 03:33 PM
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It's annoying. If i'm stone sober, talking to random people in a bar is just too much for me and I'm anxious to the point that I am 100% in my head and have ZERO charisma Afer a few beers, I can transform into someone who people like talking too The problem is that there is a fine line between that sociable point and being blatantly drunk Unfortunately for me, the main problem with drink is how it effects my speech! I opened a gorgeous girl last night, and she literally couldn't understand me! W…
/r/seduction21/12/17 01:58 PM
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From what I've read over the years, one should really only go 'direct' if you don't have time to 'seduce' her. (a quick approach on a girl on her way to work or whatever). An ugly guy going direct will always get told ''I have a boyfriend''. But if he can open her, not scare her off by making his intent too clear, have fun, intrigue her etc etc (basically 'game') then he can still get her, in theory
/r/seduction11/12/17 03:42 PM
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From what I've read over the years, one should really only go 'direct' if you don't have time to 'seduce' her. (a quick approach on a girl on her way to work or whatever). An ugly guy going direct will always get told ''I have a boyfriend''. But if he can open her, not scare her off by making his intent too clear, have fun, intrigue her etc etc (basically 'game') then he can still get her, in theory
/r/seduction11/12/17 03:40 PM
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lol, similar here. Asian/Indian girls often seem to be into me. Slightly more reserved girls. Also fatter girls. But the hot, barely legal stunning blondes with the perfect bodies and bright grey eyes who like to party that I actually want don't seem to be interested ! D'oh
/r/seduction08/12/17 06:54 PM
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it's intentional: A bit like the hank moody line ''you're making me so wet!!'' :)
/r/seduction07/12/17 09:14 AM
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all the stuff i read here i feel like i can’t put these into actual work Give me some examples
/r/seduction05/12/17 09:28 PM
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lol, thanks. I've been here a long time, i've posted more FR's than any other poster I've seen, read tonnes of FR's and their comments, and have seen how it works here! :)
/r/seduction05/12/17 06:02 PM
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This is actually one of them questions that crops up here all the time, but that nobody knows teh answer too In short, you will be told that what you say doesn' matter. Just ask her name. What she's up too. Find out about her etc. HOWEVER, If you do that in field, and it goes wrong, and then you write an FR here, you will be told that she walked away because you asked boring questions. Now you'll be back at square 1 asking what you're supposed to actually say (and nobody will be able to tell you…
/r/seduction05/12/17 05:56 PM
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I literally didn’t even have to try and this girl just gravitated towards me. She was already hooked just because of the way I look. Not fair!!! ;)
/r/seduction05/12/17 03:46 PM
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that sort of opener and everything else that was written would get a 'non super good looking' guy blocked or maced, lol.
/r/seduction04/12/17 02:19 PM
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how else do you get to bang that stunning 10/10 18 year old girl who you've never met and is a total stranger?
/r/seduction01/12/17 11:01 AM
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haha - Actually made me laugh IRL
/r/seduction30/11/17 05:19 PM
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you can't really fail if she's rolling out her mind can you?! You'll be fine
/r/seduction30/11/17 05:14 PM
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Well I thought it was a good FR, lol.
/r/seduction27/11/17 08:36 PM
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I'm guessing this is one of the instances where you and recyclablebanthas disagree. From what I gathered from his posts, he likes the 'normal' 'getting to know you' questions, and also isn't overly keen on 'assumptions'. Interesting
/r/seduction22/11/17 06:17 PM
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I saw that thread The advice about not asking name etc after the open but too ask more interesting questions and make assumptions was upvoted a fair bit, but I also predict that BrianPUA's post about how it's fine to just ask the regular questions will also be upvoted a fair bit Basically, seddit is the only pickup place where there's no consensus on basically anything, lol. Tough for newbies! I guess it's because other forums and stuff all adhere to the same teachings. RSD posters on their foru…
/r/seduction22/11/17 11:30 AM
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All of this nonsense about how you asked boring questions, or you should be making 'assumptions' about her based on what she's wearing and stuff is daft. recyclablebanthas says that questions are fine. And they don't need to be odd, 'random' stuff for fear of being 'boring' - you;ll just look autistic This is seddit. not the mysterymethod forum, lol Most popular seddit advice of all time is: What you say doesn't matter!!!
/r/seduction21/11/17 09:48 PM
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UK girls generally stick with their social circle and don't really talk to stranger unless they're very drunk and the stranger is very handsome, lol Go to London and hit on other tourists who actually talk back
/r/seduction21/11/17 05:16 PM
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thanks
/r/seduction20/11/17 08:36 AM
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Good lad. It seems like i'm the only mofo writing FR's nowadays (although have slowed down with them as it becomes frustrating, what with all of the drastically conflicting advice) You done good. Keep it up I got about 20 fairly fast rejections in a row last weekend, so you're my hero! lol
/r/seduction18/11/17 12:35 PM
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He's very good looking, tbh. Not undermining your point (i've seen ugly guys with OK girls before and I also agree that nowadays, things like money, nice house, amazing job etc, don't really mean much in terms of 'attraction' nowadays), but yeah....he's blatantly handsome, lol
/r/seduction18/11/17 11:06 AM
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Girl at 6 minutes is gorgeous!Every American girl is a fucking 10 in every youtube vid I watch, lol. I wish I lived there! In fact, on 2nd thought, maybe I don't. It would be super frustrating to constantly be around stunning girls who you can't get!! lol
/r/seduction17/11/17 07:07 PM
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nervous?! He fucking killed it compared to most guys, lol
/r/seduction17/11/17 07:05 PM
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it's weird how it works. I had a lucky streak a while back and banged 3 girls in 3 nights. For a while after, sex seemed like no big deal. Now i'm back in a rut, and girls are repulsed by me, and i'm often online reading FR's by really successfull goodlooking young guys on RSD and the like, who are out getting threesomes with model teenage girls most nights and stuff, and it makes me want to kill myself , lol
/r/seduction17/11/17 10:12 AM
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In my experience, 'just going for it' and literally walking over and saying whatever comes to your mind is good to beat approach anxiety, but the actual interaction itself is more awkward this way if I have nothing planned to say/talk about. It just gets awkward fast, lol. Whatever 'comes to my mind' is always the exact same, boring conversation. Hi! What's your name? How old are you? what are you up too? and then im done, lol.
/r/seduction17/11/17 10:08 AM
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i've never had a date. I'd be the worst date ever, lol. Just asking about her job and her family etc and probably bore her to death. Explain in autistic detail what you talk about from the moment you meet her for me!! lol
/r/seduction16/11/17 08:38 PM
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My friend works in a busy airport and he's banged about 50 teenage girls who work at the airport in the last year, lol. (He's 29) He's very very handsome, so I don't think he has a 'strategy' as such. He just makes small talk and then they escalate on him due to his looks, and then he invites them to his house and they fuck.
/r/seduction15/11/17 07:38 PM
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that doesn't sound like a dick. Don't worry. Every single successful FR with models and threesomes and stuff that i've ever read, usually comes with a caveat like ''In fairness, I AM a very handsome dude'' or whatever, lol/ It's just life
/r/seduction15/11/17 03:58 PM
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You must be handsome as fuck, bro! nice work
/r/seduction15/11/17 03:44 PM
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I've found my porn addiction can get even worse when I spend time on PUA forums. I read field reports and stuff of theses people who get laid with hot young girls every night, and I feel SO JEALOUS AND FRUSTRATED at my own lack of success (even after about 16 months) that I binge watch porn to teh extreme! Can't be healthy. Just can't fight the urge. Sexual frustration I guess.
/r/seduction15/11/17 09:00 AM
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I've been told so many times on seddit that you should NEVER tell a hot girl that she is cute or whatever. I hate that there's so much conflicting advice with 'game' lol - drives me crazy
/r/seduction14/11/17 12:01 PM
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Anyone who tells you that looks don't matter is probably just good looking themselves! To be honest, even some of the RSD guys have kind of admitted this in more recent times. Julien admitted he'd become super handsome if he had a magic spell. Tyler admitted how good looks will make things easier etc/ . In the old days, they were 100% ''looks don't matter at all!!', but I feel as though they've kind of woken up at least a little bit in more recent times In terms of cold approach, looks are VERY …
/r/seduction14/11/17 11:51 AM
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Re: 'other guy made a move' - Is is as simple as that, though? More likely, he didn't 'make a move' because he could tell that she blatantly wasn't interested? Whereas she likely thought his friend was hot, and so gave him lots of signals, and then that guy knew he could 'make the move' because he knew she was attracted and so she wouldn't reject him and make it awkward
/r/seduction11/11/17 04:18 PM
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Is is as simple as that, though? More likely, he didn't 'make a move' because he could tell that she blatantly wasn't interested? Whereas she likely thought his friend was hot, and so gave him lots of signals, and then that guy knew he could 'make the move' because he knew she was attracted and so she wouldn't reject him and make it awkward
/r/seduction11/11/17 04:18 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUbq68g_xVE&t=29s
/r/seduction10/11/17 05:52 PM
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So in general, how do the conversations go? You say hi, and then just sit down ask her about her family, her job, and her hobbies? (I've never had a date)
/r/seduction10/11/17 05:50 PM
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lol, I know exactly what you mean! I've never in my life had a 'date', although I have had a fair few one night stands. I just imagine them being so awkward. The whole thing. Like a really cringy, awkward interview, lol. I just don't think I could do it! ''Hi!! Sooo......you have any brothers or sisters?'' lol It's a shame as from what I gather, it's the easiest way to get laid, and it's how some guys get laid most nights of the week. I'd like to watch about 100 first dates in order to see if I …
/r/seduction10/11/17 11:59 AM
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Just a classic Firemans carry out of the bar without saying a word.
/r/seduction06/11/17 05:43 PM
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Very little in the way of practical advice for me. The message was ''get a good life with lots of friends and lots of hobbies. Be happy. Girls will come into your life as a result. When they do, be honest and direct. Tell them you think they're attractive. Have sex''. But it doesn't work like that. Not for me and not for various people I know who actually have VERY impressive lives with well paid jobs that they enjoy and lots of hobbies etc, but you who can't get laid for love nor money! It's al…
/r/seduction06/11/17 02:41 PM
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In terms of getting girls without paying for it, money isn't much use nowadays. Not like in the olden days. It doesn't really 'attract' girls much in my experience at all. Good looks however!! That's definitely what i'd choose! You don't really need 'game' if you are good looking. You can get laid a hell of a lot with hot girls and skate by on good looks alone ugly guy with decent game is still gonna struggle with hot girls and ESPECIALLY with cold approach (Unfortunately! :( lol)
/r/seduction05/11/17 08:10 PM
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this is the internet, dude. We all fuck like 300 10's per year! :)
/r/seduction05/11/17 01:42 PM
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50 hail Mary's and you should be all good. But no. Own it
/r/seduction01/11/17 01:27 PM
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Those who are full on mysterymethod guys believe that you should be able to get 100% of the girls that you approach! If you fail, you've done something wrong, basically. Obviously bollox, but lots of them believe that. Fact is, I think that unless you meet her threshold of 'attractive' before you've even opened your mouth, you're in for a rough ride and will likely never get them girls. I get rejected almost non stop, but I still get laid occasionally, and it's not as though I do anything differ…
/r/seduction31/10/17 01:36 PM
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It's tough. I've had ALMOST constant rejection for about 14 months now. I have gotten laid a handful of times, but each time, they are girls who are clearly somewhat into me from the second I say 'hi'. The other 98% of girls treat me like a leper, lol
/r/seduction30/10/17 06:05 PM
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I agree, although the seddit consensus is to never ever tell a hot girl that she is hot.
/r/seduction29/10/17 10:14 AM
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lol, I struggle with this. I think I find it even harder than cold approaching random girls at times. For example, I cold approached a girl a while ago in a bar. went very well, we kissed but nothing more, but exchanged numbers and stuff. I bumped into her about 2 weeks later, and it was all so weird. I was like ''Hey, how have you been?''. She was like ''fine'' All of the things i'd usually ask when i first meet someone (name, age, work, hobbies etc) I'd already asked in our first interaction, …
/r/seduction27/10/17 03:37 PM
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in for tips on opening :) (I tend to get a lot of instant rejections/girls not really talking back)
/r/seduction23/10/17 03:16 PM
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I know how you feel, man! I've been at this about 1.5 years. My mood and optimism towards it all naturally fluctuates, but at this second in time, I'm kind of feeling like a lost cause lol
/r/seduction23/10/17 03:06 PM
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Yeah, I don't disagree, but i'm just saying that based on some threads and heavily upvoted posts I saw here recently, it would seem that the consensus is very much against even opening a hot girl by telling her she's hot
/r/seduction18/10/17 02:40 PM
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"You're really cute, I'm Chris" We are taught here to never tell a hot girl who knows she's hot, that she's hot, though
/r/seduction18/10/17 08:49 AM
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Is there more too it than that, though? I mean, some people are able to make conversation fun and their brain gives them 'better' things to say? If a girl tells me it's her birthday, i'll listen, think about what she just told me, and then maybe say ''Oh, happy birthday. How old are you?'' Maybe she's like ''21'' and now i'm thinking what I can say about ''21'' lol Whereas, when she tells my friend with game that it's her birthday, he might say ''No shit! I bet you asked for a pony from your par…
/r/seduction17/10/17 09:54 AM
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This sub changes it's mind most days. I was told by most guys on some of my FR's that I need to be MORE direct and open by telling the girl that I think she was cute instead of opening with an observation about something she is doing or whatever Do what works for you There really don't appear to be any hard rules in game
/r/seduction16/10/17 08:27 AM
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Your job doesn't define you. Your job doesn't matter at all in fact. Who gives a shit? It's just some annoying thing that most people have to do for 5 days per week so that they don't starve to death! Some of the biggest players i've ever known have been basically perma-unemployed, lol I also know people (like my engineer brother) who earn a fuck tonne of money, and can't get laid for the life of them
/r/seduction14/10/17 12:57 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree. Just trying to get your thinking clear in my head. I nearly always go indirect, personally (written lots of FR's here) Direct game is good. Yes. But telling a pretty girl she's pretty when she already knows she's pretty (is not) So are you saying direct game is good, but only on girls that aren't that hot? I don't know. When I read FR's here where someone goes direct, the replies are usually along the lines of 'you didn't make you intent clear'' And even Mark Manson…
/r/seduction11/10/17 09:53 PM
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Don't ever tell a girl she's pretty when she already knows she's pretty But isn't that the general ethos of this community/mark manson. The whole 'make your intentions clear straight away', 'show vulnerability' etc etc. Old school PUA is very indirect, but I thought nowadays (as per this sub) most veer towards telling them you think they're hot and being very direct It seems that almost all of the successful guys on seddit seem to recommend very direct game
/r/seduction11/10/17 09:21 PM
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Only you think so, apparently! :) I got downvoted too for some reason. This sub confuses me, lol cheers
/r/seduction10/10/17 01:10 PM
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Haven't done yet! I'm not exactly some playboy, though. I've only had sex with a handful of girls so who knows, but usually I think it's girls for whom sex is an emotional thing whereby they are more likely to get attached. Guys can switch it off I think. Only time I got 'attached' was when I was lucky enough to sleep with a girl half my age who was so far out of my league that it wasn't even funny, although even that wasn't 'emotional attachment' - I just wanted her to be mine simply because I …
/r/seduction03/10/17 09:04 PM
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my ideal is always to get laid (not a makeout) and THEN never see them again :)
/r/seduction03/10/17 08:35 PM
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lol, thanks. Been going over the night in my head. Interaction 1 with the dancing girls: - Felt I done well. Made them both laugh at times. Had a fairly fun vibe going with the assumptions and the starsign guessing and all that stuff. Bit confused why they left really and not sure what I should have done in order to make them want to keep me around. Interation 2 - the girl I opened who was by herself. This one is bugging me. I opened and made my intention clear soon after opening and told her sh…
/r/seduction03/10/17 01:18 PM
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It's legal here so not rape, lol
/r/seduction01/10/17 02:26 PM
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would online dating be better or worse or most likely the same given that I'm not attractive? Worse. The best way I can put it, is that in SOCIAL CIRCLE GAME is where you will see the biggest miss-matches. I know SO MANY ugly guys who are nailing gorgeous young girls that they work with, or who they knew from school, or who they are in a general social circle with etc etc. I know ZERO ugly guys who get laid with hot girls on tinder. This is just a result of giving yourself a chance for them to e…
/r/seduction30/09/17 03:19 PM
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if online dating and real life approach isnt viable because of lack of good looks? I never mentioned 'real life approach' not being viable. I suggest cold approach over online game as someone who isn't handsome
/r/seduction30/09/17 02:33 PM
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Good stuff, OP. Well written, too
/r/seduction30/09/17 09:05 AM
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Ooooohm I can relate to this, lol. I never thought I was 'good looking', but I used to think I was at least like a 4 or a 5. Tinder has been B-R-U-T-A-L for me since the day I downloaded it. I've experimented with my pics a shit load. Took the advice about taking 'action pics', social pics and all that jazz. I use up all my swipes everyday and get like 1 match every 3 weeks!! haha. And then I either get ghosted, blocked or occasionally get a convo started where they don't actually want to meet m…
/r/seduction30/09/17 08:19 AM
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Yeah, I find that the actual opener itself really doesn't matter UNLESS it has some sort of inbult converstaion starter that can help carry you through. For example, 'hi' is an opener. Fine. It does the job of opening - but lots of the time, the girl will not even respond in a bar in the UK for example. She'll look at you like ''Do i know you??!'' without saying anything and will give the 'backturn' unless you can actually engage her in conversation. So the opener either doesn't matter at all, b…
/r/seduction29/09/17 08:44 PM
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wrong sub, dude. Despite your OP, people on seddit will always just say 'don't do it' lol Go to RSDnation and ask. Good luck, player!
/r/seduction28/09/17 11:01 PM
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If you really think it's your joker personality, maybe try acting all serious and mysterious!? I dunno, man.
/r/seduction26/09/17 02:48 PM
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"Running game" = making yourself more attractive and getting women as a by product is a really handsome dude with an amazing job and all that jazz 'running game' when he ordering a chinese takeaway simply because he's attractive? I think the answer to the OP's question is basically things like 'teasing, DHV'ing, using humour, push/pull, being physical, etc etc'' This sub seems to have taken the 'anti outer game' stuff too an extreme, and I feel it's doing more harm than good
/r/seduction26/09/17 01:10 PM
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also displays some pretty blatant alpha qualities. Extra points for not flushing...
/r/seduction26/09/17 01:05 PM
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sounds like a guaranteed lay coming up so i'm not sure what you're worrying about. Play on, playa
/r/seduction25/09/17 07:47 PM
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Depends on where you write you field reports! I write mine here, and failure usually is met with ''She just wasn't into you...next!!'' (this sub seems to promote going direct on girls until you find one that that clearly likes you after you open) I also write them on a different forum, and failure usually is met with ''You needed to DHV more and be more aloof. You should not have told her that you thought she was hot as you gave your power away. You should have disqualified yourself at that poin…
/r/seduction22/09/17 02:24 PM
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I agree and disagree. Certainly kissing doesn't = fucking. Lots of guys get a makeout and then they get ignored. I see that a lot, too. I don't think dancefloor game is exactly the same as off the dancefloor in my experience. They just don't seem to have any interest in being approached/touched/dance with a guy who they are not immediately into, whereas in a quiet bar, they are much more likely to let you open them and interact for a little while
/r/seduction22/09/17 01:25 PM
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In my experience, dancefloor game is very looks based. A bit like tinder in that nothing else actually matters. As a physically unattractive guy, I get about 99% blowouts on te dancefloor, lol. You'll see it if you go through my many FR's that my dancefloor approaches are brutal. Literally get pushed away by girls at times! haha. Usually better results with approaching in pubs and bars where i can hopefully 'build attraction' People say 'don't just go up too a girl and grind!!'' etc, but I go cl…
/r/seduction22/09/17 08:19 AM
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When your house is a 2 minute walk from the club, you can probably fuck 3 or 4 girls a night if you're decent at it. Only if they are attracted to you. If they don't think you are hot, having a pad 10 seconds away won't do any good
/r/seduction20/09/17 04:32 PM
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It's a rough ride!! I've made so many approaches now it's not even funny,lol I have thankfully gotten laid a few times now from cold approach, but my God, some guys seem to have it easy compared to me. Just gotta keep on trucking
/r/seduction20/09/17 11:51 AM
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I'm pretty sure Owen himself admitted to having a fairly low lay count considering he's a PUA (less than 50?)
/r/seduction20/09/17 11:46 AM
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lmao - crazy how approachable and friendly girls are there!! Go up too a random girl in the UK (outside of tourists ares like parts of London) and be like ''Hey, i'm Brian! What are you up too?;'' and she'd assume you've just escaped some sort of mental asylum and would get the hell out of there, lol
/r/seduction17/09/17 03:17 PM
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Hard to know without being there - Sounds like maybe you let the energy fizzle out and 'slowed it down' (as you say) too early on? Also maybe the line about 'having to earn it' might have set off her anti-slut-defence? Good job, though. I thought only I wrote FR's around here! :)
/r/seduction16/09/17 01:48 PM
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I post FR's. I notice more and more downvotes the more I post them, although I mean....that doesn't mean anything to me! I don't care about votes, good or bad. The only thing that makes me question the point in posting them is the massively contradicting advice and stuff that honestly leaves me feeling very frustrated and confused to be honest.
/r/seduction13/09/17 10:14 PM
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I don't think you qualify the girl until she is giving indicators of interest and is attracted
/r/seduction13/09/17 06:28 PM
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nice. I use these types of lies and they've worked before.
/r/seduction13/09/17 10:24 AM
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I think girls like funny guys, but it has to be mixed with clear sexual intent at some point. ideally fairly soon into the interaction
/r/seduction09/09/17 04:29 PM
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in for tips on how you manage to hookup so easily! :) You better not be super handsome! lol
/r/seduction05/09/17 08:53 PM
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Also, somebody else told me that I need to start following more 'game structure' and winging it less, but does that mean I have to start using routines and stuff? Should I literally have a checklist of questions and statements in stuff when i go into each set?
/r/seduction04/09/17 11:09 AM
1

Yeah, I think I sometimes try to use humour to shake her out 'autopilot' as the RSD guys say. Also to stop her just getting bored because every other guy probably has the same openers ans conversation? I don't know, though. It honestly feels IMPOSSIBLE for me to 'hook' these really young, hot girls. NO ide what to say now. I've tried everything, lol. I can hook easier with the older, uglier ones, which suggests it's not that i'm super weird, but that the hot youg ones really just go by looks or …
/r/seduction04/09/17 07:55 AM
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no. I'll see if I can find it. cheers
/r/seduction03/09/17 01:47 PM
1

Any tips on how to amend the approaches to be less weird, lol? And general conversation advice as what i'm doing now doesn't really seem to be working.
/r/seduction03/09/17 01:44 PM
1

could you detail a typical approach of yours?
/r/seduction02/09/17 11:14 AM
3

I say go for it. Who cares about age. I know of (and have been in) some much MUCH bigger age gaps, but then i'm in the UK where that seems a lot more common PS - Can you share how you 'approached' her when she began working with you, and detail how it all basically happened over the course of however long? Always interests me
/r/seduction01/09/17 05:42 PM
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I'd maybe either try to 're-frame' it as if her saying ''just to be clear, ths is not a date'' is whishful thinking on her part and actually a question instead of statement and be like ''No, it's not a date, but don't let that discourage you. I don't know you yet'', or maybe just agree and amplify, and be like ''You said it! I'm gonna bring a big bunch of pillows to build a barrier and place them between us''
/r/seduction01/09/17 01:12 PM
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That's actually a really bad approach I don't necessarily agree that it's a bad approach as such. It's more that it's not really 'game' as such. I mean, it's basically 'you're hot, and if you think i'm hot too, we should go out'. So, if she doesn't think you're super hot, then it's unlikely to work. It's just an approach where you hope she finds you attractive as opposed to 'gaming' her, relying soley on looks However, still give mad props to the OP. That took balls of steel, my man. Good job
/r/seduction01/09/17 08:23 AM
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Respect
/r/seduction31/08/17 09:59 PM
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Is Mark Manson wrong with the whole 'show your vulnerability' stuff, 'make your intent clear from the get-go', 'be direct' etc? Maybe it's time to get back to mystery method, lol
/r/seduction29/08/17 08:19 AM
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I'm not gonna tell you that looks don't matter, because that's just not true. However, I can tell you that ugly people (myself included) have gotten laid from cold approach, and sometimes with fairly hot girls. I know what you mean about the coping mechanism. I still get this. Like, sometimes I wont escalate physically, because in my mind, it will actually be an INSULT to the girl - Like I imagine her thinking ''Wait! I must be ugly for him to think he has a shot with me?!! He must think i'm as …
/r/seduction28/08/17 10:14 PM
1

I only ever night game. I've gotten 1 or 2 one night stands now, but I often wake up wondering exactly how It happened. It's like sitting here now just staring at my PC screen, the idea of escalation seems so hard and complicated and potentially very awkward and uncallibrated, but it seemingly seem to just happen with good sets. Maybe attracted girls just make it easy for you and make it obvious that they want to be touched, maybe even touch you first - but in my head, if i'm visualising a picku…
/r/seduction26/08/17 03:18 PM
3

tips on escalation game? I have no issue with just touching girls to like epmhasise a point or whatever, but how do you actually escalate beyond that without freaking her out? Like, no matter how slowly you go in terms of 'the escalation ladder' there's always gonna be that jump from non-sexual touch (say touch on her arm or whatever) to like touching her stomach or neck. Is the answer to use tricks?? (like asking her about her tatoos or something?)
/r/seduction26/08/17 02:13 PM
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Don't know why you were downvoted, but this is also what I was going too add to my post. I think as long as the goofyness is mixed with clear sexual intent, then I think that's OK. 'Yareally' (don't know if you know who that is, but he's basically all I read in terms of games nowadays) never actually showed any field reports, but his style of game read as slightly 'goofy/silly'. but mixed with negative emotional spikes and also a clear sexual intent and it certainly sounded like it worked for hi…
/r/seduction25/08/17 10:38 PM
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It's a tough one. The main advice is always 'be yourself', but in practice, that isn't always ideal if 'yourself' is just not the type of personality that girls go for. So in a way, we are forced to change our personality when approaching girls and pretend to have a different personality. I have a similar issue. I'm not necessarily goofy, but my sense of humour is kind of unusual for one, and so a lot of the time, girls struggle to relate to some of my stuff. I guess I can be overly 'goofy' as t…
/r/seduction25/08/17 10:32 PM
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I think he's talking about outer game. What to actually say and do during an interaction. Some sort of structure. Something to hang your hat on. Mark Manson seems to just be ''Have a good life with lots of hobbies and a job you like etc etc, and be direct in your intentions with girls, like ''Hey, you're cute, I wanted to say hi'' and then just wing it from there''
/r/seduction25/08/17 07:30 PM
1

One of my friends is in his late 20's and has banged over 400 girls! He not even a PUA. Just a VERY handsome dude, 6ft 4, lantern jaw etc, and who always lives in 'party destinations' where he can target hot teenage girls, lol. (Magaluf, Ibiza, etc) Also, crazy tinder hit rate
/r/seduction25/08/17 03:24 PM
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I'd actually say 'yes'. It's a form of exposure therapy, I guess. It' quite extreme, though. I mean, i'm sure we all know some generally confident people who have no social anxiety, but who would NEVER have the balls to go and approach some random hot girl. So doing it (especially with SA) is ballsy! But that's where competence comes into play. You have the confidence to try due to reading about it and stuff After doing it a few times, other things that might typically give someone with SA anxie…
/r/seduction25/08/17 08:34 AM
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I think the reason people stress the open so much isn't actually about the open. Like the actual open could be 'hi'. Fine. Anyone can do that. But the issue is that they are worried about how to start an actual CONVERSATION. How best to follow up the open in order to best 'hook' her and get her talking/laughing etc
/r/seduction24/08/17 09:18 PM
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I don't know. My own view of myself is that i'm ugly. I'm not looking for sympathy or anything. It's objective. I have a fairly big nose, weak chin, mouth is a little weird. Acne scarring from youth. The list goes on. As a result, I tend to get about 1 match per 300 swipes on tinder. However, I appear to be a little better looking in real life from what I gather. I still get rejected a huge perentage of the time, but with numbers game and a bit of luck, I actually managed to pull a girl from col…
/r/seduction24/08/17 03:23 PM
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I got laid on my first ever legit night game approach after reading material for about 4 months. I opened by pretending to be her date! HOWEVER, If you think i'm bragging, I've spent the next year and half getting shot down (rejected) left and right like 99% of the time :)
/r/seduction23/08/17 07:54 PM
1

nice. thanks
/r/seduction22/08/17 06:00 PM
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There's a few schools of thought from what i've read. I actually started an almost idential thread to this one once, as I often encounter these girls. About 80% of the time, in fact! (probably partly a result of gaming in the UK where people don't talk to strangers as a rule of culture and in a small town nowhere near London) I even referenced the same MaxRSD clip in my thread that you did in this one! :) IN general, the consensus is that game isn't some sort of magic where you can get any girl …
/r/seduction22/08/17 03:55 PM
1

Moving on. Since My last post. I banged one of the servers. Explain in tedious detail how this happened :) Outside of cold approaching girls in bars, I don't know how a hookup looks. Don't be afraid to bore me with the details and don't leave out the important bits like how you showed your intent, escalated from just small talk etc
/r/seduction22/08/17 12:13 PM
1

I have about the same hit rate, lol I morphed my main profile pic slightly to make me more handsome, and started to get at least a few matches.
/r/seduction21/08/17 09:55 AM
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Nah, he's probably not in the US! In the UK guys in their 20's (and sometimes MUCH older lol) are often having sex with 16 year olds. It's legal
/r/seduction19/08/17 05:41 PM
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Maybe it'll change massively again, though? 'game' at the moment seems quite different to how mystery taught if for example? E.G he was about NOT showing your intentions straight away or telling her she's hot, Negs, every sentence being carefully thought about to help lead you to your goal, every rejection is a mistake of some sort on your part, and you should be able to get 100% of the girls you approach in theory etc Now it's more, ''self amuse, say what the hell you want, SHOW YOUR INTENTIONS…
/r/seduction19/08/17 03:36 PM
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lol, I used to get it a fair bit. Still do, to some extent. Not quite so often I had lots of interactions that were like: me: Hey, I like your jacket! Her: Oh, thanks. It's new me: I can tell! You strike me as the clumsy type! It'll be covered in wine later Her: OMG, LOLZ LOLOLOL And then.......I freeze!!...and then, walk away! hahaa The logical thing is to ask her name or something, but I'd bail. I'm not sure what the issue was/is. I think it's things like: 1/Not being confident in my ability t…
/r/seduction18/08/17 10:56 PM
2

Mixed views. If you are very handsome, picking up girls becomes very easy. You will always 'hook' instantly and from there it's usually just a matter of not completely fucking up. Girls will even open you. Most successful FR's (even on seddit) have the caveat of something along the lines of ''I'm a very good looking guy in fairness and get told this a lot'' or ''She told me that I was cute, then I asked for her number bla bla bla'' HOWEVER, I think the idea is that even if you are ugly, you can …
/r/seduction18/08/17 10:45 PM
1

If I had your money, i'd just get plastic surgery. lol. I know how you feel, though. It's natural to assume hot guys get hot girls, I guess. I tend to get a LOT of instant rejections, and often think ''If I was good looking, that would NOT have happened!!'' haha
/r/seduction16/08/17 03:44 PM
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shit. He's like the best of the RSD guys in terms of technical/outergame. I hope his vids at least come back at some point, I guess under a new alias. I wonder if the fact that he seemed to laugh at the concept of 'natural' game (which Max promotes) played a role? Todd's kind of old school and seemed to have issues with people running around with the concepts of 'what you say doesn't matter', 'just self amuse', 'just be yourself' etc etc, but not having a clue what they were doing and getting ze…
/r/seduction16/08/17 08:15 AM
1

To be honest, i'd say it's possibly on the low end for one of them! haha. He even worked in Magaluf for a a summer or 2 which is full of drunk 17 year old girls which would have bumped his numbers up. A bit like how this guy did a similar thing : https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3908164/big-brothers-kieran-lee-reveals-hes-had-sex-with-350-women/ Lifestyle plays a role, but he's handsome as hell, and girls just openly flirt with him
/r/seduction16/08/17 08:02 AM
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Dunno. I've got maybe 50 'proper' close friends. Most who i've known for well over a decade since we were little kids. 3 of them are VERY handsome, lol. One has actually modelled briefly, but they all get starred at and approached, flirted with wherever they go etc
/r/seduction16/08/17 07:59 AM
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too an extent, in real life too. I mean, all of my exceptionally good looking friends have lay counts over 300 and most of them have very little game indeed. Girls approach them, girls flirt outrageously, girls sometimes even escalate on them, lol. All they have to do is not shit their pants, and they're in! :) Ugly dudes need exceptional game
/r/seduction15/08/17 10:38 PM
4

I think it's generally considered here that it IS everything as far as online dating goes
/r/seduction15/08/17 06:42 PM
1

Sounds like a warm approach as (opposed too a cold one), and sounds like she was 'into you' straight away (likely your looks) Good job, none-the-less
/r/seduction15/08/17 11:30 AM
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be prepared to feel bad! :) - . He's gonna be a handsome mofo if he's banged 8 girls from tinder.
/r/seduction15/08/17 08:43 AM
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depends where you are and maybe if you are are on your own or with friends? I got some fairly creeped out reactions when I tried to open a few girls who were sitting on the beach when I was by myself, but i'm in the UK. We don't talk to strangers at all,, with the POSSIBLE exception of being in a pub! lol
/r/seduction14/08/17 05:55 PM
2

I never got my licence as I failed the test so many times. I just lie to girl and say i'm on a driving ban or something, or flat out lie about my car being in the garage or something if it's a one night stand. I once drove a friends car illegally to drive a girl home in the morning to save face! haha And yeah, unless you're in London, not having a car (and obviously a licence! :)) looks bad to be honest
/r/seduction11/08/17 08:31 PM
1

hiring the actress for one of his infields really fucked up his rep, though
/r/seduction11/08/17 12:26 PM
1

I first heard him say it in a very old infield (Pre beard Max) and then heard him reuse it somewhere in 'the natural' in what looked to be a few years later, so i'm guessing it's one of his 'stock' openers (Pun semi-intended) In my situation, it's not that it's gold as such. It's just that funny/observational openers TEND to work better on UK girls. If I approach a UK girl in a bar and use the classic 'just say hi!!'' - (''Hey, what's up? I'm essex!'') they look at you like you're a crazy person…
/r/seduction11/08/17 07:18 AM
2

I wonder if a big part of it IS the girls, in particular in certain areas? I've gotten a few lays from cold approaches now. I'm not remotely handsome. This would suggest that my game is not COMPLETELY awful (though it's clearly not great!). I must have the ability to NOT creep girls out on occasion, otherwise cold approach would presumably NEVER work for me, I guess. Yet, I ALSO get a HUGE percentage of girls who, as you say, seem 'weirded out' after I smile and say 'hi'. It's like they find the…
/r/seduction10/08/17 06:49 PM
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lol, one of my most successful openers (in terms of hooking) is MaxRSD's ''Are you checking your stocks??'' It got to the point where I only opened girls that were on their phone on nights out, because every other open was guaranteed to bomb! That's still the case, in fact!!
/r/seduction10/08/17 03:01 PM
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I agree too an extent, bit I still think it's more about personal preference. I've been to Vegas a few times for example and I don't remember seeing any girls that I thought were hotter than her to be honest! Better bodies I guess, but that's it. Not that any of it matters, lol. Girls like that are for hot guys! I just hope my mate sends me some of her pics or a vid of him banging her or something!
/r/TheRedPill10/08/17 07:19 AM
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interesting. She's some chick my handsome friend is about the bang, and I think she's like a 9, lol. I guess everyone has their own 'thing'. I don't think i've seen many girls even on TV or whatever who i'd rather bang!
/r/TheRedPill09/08/17 10:56 PM
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what would you rate this girl out of interest? http://imgur.com/a/8x91y
/r/TheRedPill09/08/17 08:04 PM
2

Some say looks don't mean shit and all that matters is 'game'. And some say looks are basically 90% of attraction (Usually the first view is the accepted one around here, but yesterday a post implying that looks are everything was heavily UP voted, so maybe times are a changing...)
/r/seduction09/08/17 06:35 PM
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I think Tom Torerro said his results were like 1 lay per 60 or so approaches? But he's not as handsome as this dude
/r/seduction08/08/17 03:53 PM
1

Can't give advice but i'm finding myself stalking a girl on facebook non-stop at the moment. She is simply STUNNING! Not sure why she isn't a famous model or something! There's also a ridiculous age gap so I don't want to risk her sharing whatever I DM her with the world and having people think i'm a weirdo, lol (we have 1 mutual friend. My niece!)
/r/seduction08/08/17 08:51 AM
3

so just be handsome?
/r/seduction08/08/17 08:20 AM
1

thanks for the feedback
/r/seduction06/08/17 07:58 PM
1

To be honest, I come here as opposed to pickup forums because of the LACK of success and bragging here, lol Spend a few days on the Rooshv forum or something, and THEN you'll be depressed, lol!! Everyone talking about their threesomes and their 200 notchcounts etc. I literally had to stop reading it as I got so depressed. This place doesn't make me wanna kill myself as much, lol As for whether you'll ever improve, who knows!? Not to sound negative, but when I was 19, everyone told me that same s…
/r/seduction04/08/17 01:41 PM
1

thanks - although I don't think my issue is not being able to read people when it comes too opening. It's more that I must be doing something wrong in terms of the vibe that I give off when I open. For example, maybe I smile too much, or not enough! (i.e coming over as too keen and approval seeking, or too angry and intimidating etc) I do experiment with things like smiling, not smiling, strong/engaging eye contact, acting more 'aloof' as if i'm not really trying to engage them etc etc - One thi…
/r/seduction03/08/17 02:38 PM
1

I've never really put that much thought into it haha, I never used to either!! Until I started cold approaching and getting weird looks or being ignored about 80% of teh time, lol People in the UK tend to be much less open to talk to strangers in general. Even ignoring pickup, I tihnk it's funny when I read US guys talking about how they go out to bars by themselves and just make friends with groups of guys etc, In teh UK (Certainly most areas) if you walk up too a group of guys in a bar and are…
/r/seduction03/08/17 02:22 PM
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lol @ that clip i'm definietely presentable. Dress nice etc. It's just seemingly so hard to break the stranger barrier with UK girls. How would you describe the ideal 'vibe' and FACIAL EXPRESSION upon opening with like 'hi' or whatever? I tend to try to smile, make good eye contact and appear at least friendly, or sometimes I instinctively have a kind of playful suspicious look in my face. That's best how i'd describe it.
/r/seduction03/08/17 01:40 PM
1

How would you continue if the girl just looks at you like you're weird for just introducing yourself to her out of the blue and doesn't actually reply out of interset? This is what happens in about 95% of the times I open with jsut being like ''hi''. (although i'm in the UK)
/r/seduction03/08/17 08:35 AM
1

I think a lot of the funny stuff he says is actually canned material. He seems to think that 'making a girl laugh' is the easy bit. I wish it was, lol. He often says things in his vids when talking about hypothetical approaches and stuff like ''at that point, I'd just say some things to make her crack up laughing, and then bounce her somewhere else'' - but the making her laugh bit is hard to do
/r/seduction03/08/17 08:28 AM
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You say yourself that they're good looking. If they're rich AND good looking AND tall, then it makes sense that girls will throw themselves at them But yeah, hopeully the principles of pickup can still help those of us who aren't at all good-looking.
/r/seduction02/08/17 02:19 PM
1

And avoid comment "cringe" as it is used too many times. haha - I notice get 'cringe' comments in my FR's from the guys who come over from TRP. But the same 'cringey' lines are used by the same guys who teach this and do well. It's only 'cringey' if you get a bad reaction on seddit
/r/seduction02/08/17 10:14 AM
1

give examples of the 'why' - I'm pretty sure all of teh books already tell you 'why' things supposedly work
/r/seduction02/08/17 10:12 AM
1

I struggle with this. It's like kino can seem really uncalibrated and ingongruent. Like, i'm fine with touching on the shoulder to make a point etc. I'm Ok with even grabbing her if maybe I tease her in a harsh way and she pretends to be upset about it or whatever. But the problem is that without these 'events' (such as her pretending to be upset, or me making a point) etc, it feels like any kino seems weird. THe friendly kino is easy, but even with something like the escalation ladder, there's …
/r/seduction31/07/17 10:03 AM
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intereting article. I might experiment with that on my next FR. But as you say, it doesn't sound a million miles away form my ''why are you so pretty?'' thing, so I'm not sure why mine was 'creey'? cheers ps - the article is basically about being very direct about how hot she is whilst also blaming her for making you want to fuck her?
/r/seduction30/07/17 02:35 PM
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lol
/r/seduction29/07/17 09:27 AM
1

Read it. Wasn't that keen on it to be completely honest! (yes, I know i'm in the vast minority!)
/r/seduction28/07/17 10:01 AM
1

I've done it a few times. Longest was very recently where I was FORCED into no fap due to surgery! Last nearly a month! I tihnk for me, though, there really aren't any benefits. I just feel outrageous sexual frustration. I can't even watch the news in case te weather girl is hot, and then she's on my mind all evening, lol! My results with girls don't improve with it, and I also have no 'outlet' so I don't think it's for me!!
/r/seduction28/07/17 09:57 AM
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Not being able to get hard from just touch isn't that unusual, but you should obviously be able to get hard to touching youtself whilst watching porn. Dr. time!!
/r/seduction28/07/17 09:26 AM
1

Are you able to get hard to porn fine? If so, there's no physical issue at a guess
/r/seduction28/07/17 08:43 AM
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I'm 30 and i've never been able to grow any sort of a beard and also have VERY LITTLE underarm hair. For years and years I stressed myself out thinking i had the lowest T levels on planet earth. I'm also in the UK where it's super hard to convince the GP's to give you a blood test to check for it! Anyway, after about 6 years of worryig about it and trying to convince my GP to give me ablood test, I finally managed to get my levels checked for somethinhg unrelated Turns out on a range of 0-1000, …
/r/seduction28/07/17 08:10 AM
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I think speaking slow is good. I wish I did that!! But I stuggle BIG TIME to slow down my speech. Having said that, I note that few popular PUA's seem to speak very fast so maybe it's not a deal breaker
/r/seduction28/07/17 08:07 AM
1

Thanks a lot for chipping in, brother! I'm oviously a VERY hard case. I'm old and have had very little success with girls my whole life. Just trying to give it one last shot, really!! I'll defintiely check out the vid. But in a nut shell, I think you're right and it's something i've been thinking about a lot today - i.e - I just have to keep escalating and risking an awkward reaction/rejection. I'm not fortunate enough to be someone who girls actually escalate instead of the other way aronud (or…
/r/seduction27/07/17 10:46 PM
1

You're the biggest pimp here! I'm super jealous! Keep going and banging them hotties!!
/r/seduction27/07/17 06:50 PM
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It seems to be an issue in the US from what I read (the whole don't shit where yuo eat thing and companies having problems with it), so if you live there and you like yuor job, i'd probably forget about it. But in the UK, is is a complete non-issue and about 95% of my 300 facebook friends met their parterns at their work, lol ps - teach me how you pull girls in bars yuor own age!!
/r/seduction27/07/17 06:45 PM
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Pretty much every guy I know met their partner at work, or they knew them from school when they were younger (I imagine that in the Uk in particular this is true of a huge percentage of people due to various factors) my friends think it's amusing that I cold approach girls. I would deeply LOVE to be successful at it, in part to prove to them that i'm not wasting my time, but since starting unfortunately they've been about right so far, lol.
/r/seduction27/07/17 03:27 PM
1

no other thoughts? Hpoefully will be out this weekend for more approaches
/r/seduction27/07/17 07:45 AM
2

this has been going on for a long time. There's all kinds of websites about it and there was a big thread on rooshv about guys who do it, too. Out of interest, how do you do it?! Are you just super handsome and the girls make it clear you have a shot? What's yuor system (how you escalate and show interest etc)? Be as detailed as possible - Not that i'd ever do it, but i'm still very curious
/r/seduction26/07/17 08:03 PM
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by the way, I wasn't mucking around about teh love Island thing. I've since seen a picture of her on facebook with one of the guys that was in it this year! funny stuff
/r/seduction26/07/17 08:01 PM
1

have yuo got a product or a book or something that details your overall method?
/r/seduction26/07/17 04:56 PM
1

A Field Report, where you write about your approaches: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6paify/sunday_approaches_fr/
/r/seduction26/07/17 02:33 PM
1

Sorry not to be able to offer any advice since i'm like 600 approaches in with very MINIMAL success, but a few questions: How old are the girls typically? (i'm a similar age to you) Are these appraoches in bars/clubs? Do you do anything special in oder to 'build attraction' or do they tend to be somewhat into straight away? In regards to moving into subtle body contact, can you elaborate on that? Do you use any techniques in order to make this not seem kind of random and 'out of nowhere', as in,…
/r/seduction26/07/17 12:57 PM
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if you can say whatever you want, where do you think 'game' comes into it? (people always say 'learn game, bro')What do you think game actually is in practice? (genuinely curious as people often say to me 'learn game', even though i've read everything there is and have made lots of approaches) cheers
/r/seduction25/07/17 10:35 PM
2

I'm trying to break out of this at the moment. In the context you describe 'league' almost always means 'physical attractiveness' I try hard to tell myself that girls don't care about looks, but evidence to the contrary is shoved in my face on a fairly regular basis. It's tough going. I try too avoid sites where people don't believe in 'game' as I find it hurts my mental health. The goodlookingloser forum for one. I found certain threads kind of depressing. I'm very aware that i'm not remotely '…
/r/seduction25/07/17 09:04 PM
1

you mean my friend wanting to go too a different bar? Wish I could go wing with you man. I wouldn't wanna cramp your style dude!!
/r/seduction25/07/17 06:44 PM
1

thanks - I've used a variation of your opener a few times. I say ''What you guys up too tonight?''. I will remember to try to show a statement of empathy after rejected kino, but I feel that it's kind of a lost battle at that point. On the one in a million times that a girl shows clear IOI's I've been able to physically escalate with zero resistance at all. It feels like rejected kino = girl isn't into you so move on. Problem for me is getting them 'into me'!! :)
/r/seduction25/07/17 06:42 PM
1

thanks. It just feels as though it's more a case of the girl not so much being shy, but that she realises that since i'm now doing more than just 'friendly' touch, I must want to bang her, and she doesn't want to lead me on and kind of clams up as a way to show me she's not into me without being mean like ''fuck off, you're ugly!!'' lol. But I have to increase the kino at some point, so it's a bit of a tough situation.
/r/seduction25/07/17 06:37 PM
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yeah, nobody ever asks me how tall and handsome I am in my numerous failed FR's with my hundreds of rejections!! haha! - cheeky bastards
/r/seduction25/07/17 01:28 PM
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I'm in the UK - We don't have like 'singles bars' like they do in the US
/r/seduction25/07/17 07:40 AM
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not sure whether I done it right or not, but: https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/6oqqdd/couple_of_direct_approaches_fr/
/r/seduction23/07/17 06:09 PM
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lol, I know people like that! I know a guy who has never had a job, he's in his late 20's and just survives on benefits from the government and plays playstation and gets high all day. He is very very handsome though, to the point that girls give him crazy IOI's and even cold approach him in bars. He gets laid like a rockstar with all kinds of girls
/r/seduction23/07/17 02:23 PM
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8 rejections isn't much, lol. I tend to get about 6 rejections per night, lol. I've made about 900 approaches! You get used to the pain. Don't worry :)
/r/seduction23/07/17 02:17 PM
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If you screen correctly, I don't think tinder dates even require 'game'. My better looking friends 'dates' usually entails the girl coming to their house or a hotel room for sex. Almost like free prostitutes, lol
/r/seduction23/07/17 02:15 PM
2

that's the same as good looks in regular places. Girls want to tell their friends about the handsome guy they hooked up with
/r/seduction22/07/17 09:03 AM
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yeah
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:11 PM
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Obviously not, lol. Strange question to ask based on my initial reply! :)
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:05 PM
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Hard to answer, lol! I'm facially ugly, so I certainly wouldn't swipe right on tinder, put it that way! Whether I could overlook that and concentrate on the fact that i'm fun and laidback and stuff, I don't know to be honest.
/r/seduction21/07/17 10:01 PM
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I have another FR I need to write about soon. Based on your reply, how should I write it? you want me to keep saying how I was feeling and what I imagine she was feeling, basically?
/r/seduction21/07/17 06:46 PM
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Tom torerro? Bit more info might help, homeboy - There's loads of them nowadays
/r/seduction21/07/17 04:31 PM
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I love the way you write. One of the most useful and to-the-point posts i've seen since I joined. I hate the more wishy-washy advice I read here in regards to things like ''Just go up too a girl but be in touch with you emotions'' bla bla bla. It's just not actionable. You can read it, but then you go and approach a new girl, and you still have nothing to hang your hat on! 2 things: 1/ - feel free to comment on my recent previous FR's! I'd like your input https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comme…
/r/seduction20/07/17 09:29 PM
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haha. I liked this post. Made me smile. Thanks/ ps - I actually HAVE been rejected as bad as your final example!! A good few times, lol (girls can be harsh in the UK!) I told a girl I liked her hat once in the street at night, and her friend just jumped in and said ''can you leave her alone! you're fucking ugly!'' and another one that springs to mind is when I opened a girl who had ripped jeans with a line that I read in a pickup book. I looked at her and smiled and said ''Hey, it looks like the…
/r/seduction20/07/17 07:48 AM
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even if she wasn't looking it you? So it's like a joke? thanks
/r/seduction20/07/17 07:38 AM
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this is my concern. If no girls like my look, then it will be an EXTREME numbers game whereby i;ll need to be openeing up a thousand girls a week to get one number which just isn't really feasable in my smallish town
/r/seduction20/07/17 07:38 AM
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what would you say/do out of interest? just tell her she's cute or something? Like, if someone said to be ''Right! go...now! flirt with that life guard!'' i'm not sure what to do.
/r/seduction19/07/17 11:09 PM
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For example, the girl who kept looking back at her friends, why do you think she did that? What was she feeling? Was she looking to them for help to get away from you? Was she worried about engaging with you because her friends might judge her? What were the options for engaging her friends and winning them over? What kind of smile was she giving? Was it a polite smile, a genuine one, a grimmace? Becoming attuned to this shit and learning to recognise patterns will help you make progress. I'm su…
/r/seduction19/07/17 10:49 PM
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I'm saying that he said I opened TOO MANY times. He said twice is usually enough for him. I open a lot more than 1-2 most nights, lol
/r/seduction19/07/17 06:10 PM
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the other guy said I opened way too many times. 1 to 2 rejections per night, he said
/r/seduction18/07/17 07:21 PM
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i'd have true confidence if I thought I was handsome, though. Like, i'm not imagining it. I AM physically unnatrractive. In fact, on oe of the girls in the FR said so in as-many words, and it's not the first time. Like, confidence with girls isn't the same as condifdence in general. You can be confident with a good job, and confident in your sporting abililty etc, but that doesn't translaste to confidence with girls. How can it? How can one truly be confident with girls when you nkow youare don'…
/r/seduction18/07/17 07:14 PM
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hi. Well truth is, i'm not happy with my appearance. I'm physically unnattractive which I guess plays on my mind. I'm in good physical shape and stuff, but my face is not nice. I'm consulting with cosmetic surgereons, but it's expensive as holy hell!!
/r/seduction18/07/17 06:03 PM
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i've made about 20 per week for the last 12 months or so - I'm VERY used to rejection, lol
/r/seduction18/07/17 04:33 PM
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cheers. I don't really believe in 'inner game' stuff, but hence i'm more interested in actual 'tangible' stuff, but i'll take on board what you've said when I try again tonight. I'll be MUCH more direct from the open and make my intentions super clear from the start. (open with a compliment and statment of intent or whatever) And if i'm feelinf sad/low, I basically won't try to pretend to be happy or whatever so as not to risk being creepy. thanks
/r/seduction18/07/17 02:53 PM
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how to make yourself stop wanting something? Is that even possible? Just keep saying it to yourself i a mirror or sometihng?
/r/seduction18/07/17 02:01 PM
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lol, ok.
/r/seduction18/07/17 01:36 PM
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what to talk about for 4 hours without asking their name/age? ps - In RSD infields people ask the girl for their name and age/where they're from almost straight away in most vids
/r/seduction18/07/17 01:28 PM
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I don't want to give up on trying to get laid just yet, to be honest, but thanks for the general advice regards
/r/seduction18/07/17 10:59 AM
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but the only thing i'm depressed about is that girls are never into me. I don't feel depressed about anything else. It's not like i'm trying to use girls as a way of dulling the pain of never having parents or anything like that, if you see what i'm saying
/r/seduction18/07/17 10:43 AM
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honestly the fact that you kept going is admirable as well. Oh, PS That's nothing! Some nights i'll get more like 30 rejections, lol (but i leave gaps and move arond different venues to avoid approaching girls who just saw ne get shot down) But are you saying you tend to give up after lke 1 or 2 appraoches/rejections for a night?
/r/seduction18/07/17 10:03 AM
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AM I better of just showing them that i'm a bit sad and being much more 'down beat'? Even though it goes against everything i've been advised to do, i'll give it a shot
/r/seduction18/07/17 09:59 AM
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and when you do approach you're not being clear with your sexual intentions, which is why approach 3 responded positively at first but was then surprised when you tried to escalate beyond just being friendly. Are you saying to always open 'direct'? The carlos escalation ladder doesn't seem to specify that Also, I was direct in the 1st approach And I was trying to 'give value' by being self amusing. And surely it's best to put on a happy facade rather than approach looking depressed? cheers
/r/seduction18/07/17 09:37 AM
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thanks. i was strongly advised before that I need to 'make an impression' and 'self amuse' on the open, so that might explain why it reads a bit 'needy' or 'too far out there' Before when I was more lek ''hi, i'm jack. How are you?'' kind of tihng, and then getting shot down, everyone told me that my openers were boring, and that I needed to self amuse and 'have fun' Hope that explains it cheers
/r/seduction18/07/17 09:35 AM
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I do this, too! The girs I meet don't really talk back, and then when I run out of things to say, it gets awkward and I eject. I just tihnk If I didn't eject, I'd just look like even more of an awkward oddball for not being able to keep the conversation going (or questions and statements!), lol.
/r/seduction17/07/17 08:46 PM
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Oh. I thought you said physical escalatino was overrated
/r/seduction17/07/17 08:33 AM
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Imagine my goal for whatever reason was to kiss her. I wouldn't tell her she's cute because, as you say, that's uncalibrated. So i'm complimenting her about something non-physical, we're tlaking about our shared hobbies, i'm asking her about her dating life....but I still don't understand the next 'step'? Do I literally just swoop in at some point and go for the kiss? ''Oh so you don't date much? bla bla bla.......''Goes in for the kiss! It doesn't need to be 'set up' in any way at all? I guess …
/r/seduction17/07/17 08:25 AM
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In terms of escalation, what is the best way. On the are occassion when i'm not outrught rejected on the open, we are talking, bantering, i'm trying to tease her etc. I think she must be at least SOMEWHAT interested. I often let it fizzle out here as i'm really not sure how to escelate from bantering and talking about holidays or whatever, to 'making a move' Do I just keep ramping up the kino, and assuming she doesn't pull away or get weirded out - use that as my cue to go for the kiss? Do I ver…
/r/seduction17/07/17 08:08 AM
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I'm good at keeping eye contact. Just that in bars (and PARTICULALY on the dancefloor) i'm getting rejected very fast time and time again no matter what I do. Like ''Not interested!'' right off the bat (moreso on the dancefloor but to be honest, also lots of fast rejections at the bar when I try to strike up a convo) On the rare occassion when i'm able to reach the hook point, I struggle to make it sexual or escalate. Feels weird to go from talking about some random topic, to touching her or eve…
/r/seduction16/07/17 08:00 PM
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Problem is I definitely saw improvement in other things such as leatning to drive or whatever, lol
/r/seduction16/07/17 05:46 PM
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I have a resting bitch face and my lips are very downturned (genetics), which I think makes me look unfriendly/angry/sad I try to counter it by smiling when I appraoch, but then I appear like some sort of overfamiliar/overfriendly person when I approach which I think can also weird girls out
/r/seduction15/07/17 06:27 PM
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confidence with girls is different from general confidence. A guy who has never in his life had a girl check him out will never be confident with girls, but he could be confident inthe work place for example
/r/seduction14/07/17 04:46 PM
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I had a consultation just a week or so ago. I'll need to travel to Spain though, and the costs of everything including travel and hotels and hospital fees etc are rakcing up so fast that it's gonna wipe me thef fuck out for life! Plus i'd need other surgeries too, really. Sucks.
/r/seduction14/07/17 04:44 PM
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can't believe youve been downvoted for this!! lol - This sub is crazy! it's like people don't understand there's a difference between what you said and ''Unless you're a male model, you'll never get laid!''
/r/seduction14/07/17 12:53 PM
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I had a 'forced nofap' recently, due to a frenuloplasty! (they cut my banjo string as it was too tight and made sex a bit painful) Didn't touch myself for over a month It was kind of difficult. I don't think I really believe in the so-called benefits, though. I didn't really notice any difference Having said that, I also don't think it's healthy to be fapping non-stop! Something i've been guilty of at time, I must confess!!
/r/seduction14/07/17 09:43 AM
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this - ! A good looking guy is never creepy
/r/seduction14/07/17 09:40 AM
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It's not a waste of time, but if you aren't very handsome indeed, then it will certainly feel that way. But for a handsome guy, I think it's a great thing to do
/r/seduction14/07/17 09:38 AM
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I feel like this most of the time, even though i'm not a virgin. Fact is, i'm physically unattractive. I have a good body and work out, but I have lots of bad facial flaws (very large nose, bad skin that even accutane couldn't quite cure etc) that means that girls don't tend to be interested in being anything more than friends. I kind of feel like nowadays, girls are equally as shallow as men when it comes to finding a partner. Maybe even more so! If you aren't good looking, then cold approach i…
/r/seduction14/07/17 09:37 AM
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I like it. Seddit needs more of this sort of stuff. Actionable advice and tips rather than 'just be yourself' sort of thing.
/r/seduction13/07/17 03:20 PM
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She was actually 16 which is legal here. But, yeah.
/r/seduction13/07/17 07:08 AM
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My best friend lost his virginty in his 30's. Then he had sex with another girl a few months later. Then he had sex with a gorgeous girl who was LITERALLY half his age a few months after that. I don't think he's exactly out there slaying, but we all assumed he'd die a virgin once his 30th birthday roled around and it looks like we were wrong.
/r/seduction12/07/17 11:03 PM
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Regarding 'being direct about your intentions' - how does that look for you in practice? I mean, in general, from what i've read we are supposed to get her to show interest in us before we show interest back? (mystery method for example) Do you open direct at all times? If indirect, at what point do you show your intent, and how do you personally go about it? Like, open indirect, friendly banter, and then be like ''You;re relaly hot by the way!' kind of thing?
/r/seduction12/07/17 11:01 PM
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''Sparking attraction'' is basically everything in 'game', and where all of the guys who don't have looks tend to fall at the first hurdle. Sure, you can make her laugh and tease her, but that won't 'spark sexuak attraction' in a girl who doesn't find you attractive, imo
/r/seduction12/07/17 08:42 AM
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Current girl I am sort of talking to is a 10/10 drop dead gorgeous (she initiated contact with me actually on Tinder) You handsome mofo!! Keep living the dream, bro! Take advantage of your genetics
/r/seduction10/07/17 10:58 PM
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that would never work anyway. If 'negging' and insulting a girl really had an excellent chance of getting you inside of a girls pants, then it would be being done none stop by every guy walking around
/r/seduction10/07/17 07:45 AM
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So, what are we still disagreeing on? lol, just the slight difference in regards to what is possible (or at least remotely realistic) for when a girl thinks a guy is not remotely physically attractive. I don't believe that any amount of 'game' will convince a girl to sleep with a guy who, when she looks at him, thinks 'Yuck! He's ugly!' ESPECIALLY on a cold approach - I think all of the teasing and negging and DHV'ing and kino will be for nought (not that seddit uses these sorts of 'techniques')
/r/seduction09/07/17 04:52 PM
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We're not a million miles away in our views, so we can agree to SLIGHTLY disagree :) I'm just going by my own life and from what i've seen in my decades of going out and stuff. I've basically NEVER seen an ugly guy pull a very hot girl FROM A COLD APPROACH. I DO have friends who are ugly who married hot girls, but it's usually a matter of having worked with them for years so he has access to her and can play the long game/or through social circle over a long time, plus the guy is usually rich an…
/r/seduction09/07/17 04:38 PM
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Yes, if you're ugly, you need excellent game to sleep with hot women. But if you're average looking, you only need above average game to sleep with hot women. :) I kind of agree. Here's my run down I think if you are ugly, you need excellent game to sleep with OK women. No 'game' will get a legit ugly guy, hot women. More than 'game' is needed for that If you are average looking, you only need above average game to sleep with 'fairly hot' women, and excellent game to sleep with 'very hot' women.…
/r/seduction09/07/17 04:26 PM
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Nah, it's all good. I'm not in the US where they have weird age gap rules
/r/seduction09/07/17 03:52 PM
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A few things. 'Hi' was just my way of implying 'the open' Not to mention that loads of the 'experts' on here are always talking about 'Just say 'hi'', 'just introduce yourself ('hi, i'm jason'') etc, so i'm not sure you'll get much agreement from people here in regards to 'hi' being a bad opener, although for what it's worth, I agree with you, lol But I still think my point stands. Your game doesn't have to be perfect (assuming she's into you from the off) I also think looks are most definitely …
/r/seduction09/07/17 03:46 PM
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I like the sentiment and I do think it's kind of true, but only really if the girl is attracted to you physically. I appraoch a fair few girls, and typically, I won't get MUCH past 'hi', because i'm not their type physically. In fact, I don't even think 'perfect game' would help me anyway most of teh time, since i'm not entirely convinced that you can 'game' a girl who doesn't want to be gameed by YOU But I do agree that if she is open to being approached and thinks you are hot, then you can cer…
/r/seduction09/07/17 03:16 PM
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True, you absolutely can completely forget massive chunks of the night / things that happened. Happens to me on occasion
/r/seduction09/07/17 02:19 PM
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I had sex with some drunk/(high?) random 17 year old I cold approached recently. (16 is legal where I am) Thing is, i'm in my 30's. She was so hot and I didn't even realise how drunk/(high?) she was until pretty much after the deed was done. I was a bit drunk too. She got very emotional and stuff after fucking and behaved in a very worrying fashion to the point that I spent about 2 weeks after waiting for the police to come knocking on my door! I was trying to stalk her facebook profile (got her…
/r/seduction09/07/17 02:16 PM
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16 might be legal in Germany!
/r/seduction09/07/17 11:32 AM
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certainly makes it a LOT easier, lol
/r/seduction09/07/17 09:40 AM
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Yes it does require confidence but you can't approach a group of friends and hope to weasel your way in. They've probably all known each other for quite a while and will undoubtably get creeped out if you try to force your way into their circle. Exactly! This is the case X10 in some places compared to the US You shoudn't have been downvoted. This sub is crazy sometimes. Fantasy world stuff
/r/seduction09/07/17 09:37 AM
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I see I was donwvoted intitially, but sometimes it's not a 'limiting belief'. It's just a plain fact based on decades of LIVING HERE! lol. I've even been on the otherside of the coin lots of times, where random people have tried to join me and my friends on a night out. I'm afraid that they were basically half-ignored/tollerated for a small amount of time until the group basically said ''Nice to meet you. Bye!'' - Not unlike a rejection from a girl, lol It's not that we're a bunch of assholes, b…
/r/seduction09/07/17 09:35 AM
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Seduction is the art of getting someone to do what you want, while making them believe it was their idea. gotcha: Hi, i'm Billy . Nice to meet you Hi. I'm Kelly Listen Kelly, I'm afraid we can't go back to my place now and fuck because my relatives are there....anyway, what is the......wait.... I just remembered that they're out tonight! Ok, You're gonna get me in trouble, but we can go back to mine now, but we can't stay all night. You and you're naughty ideas! Let's go.....
/r/seduction08/07/17 07:51 PM
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What i'm saying is that I understood 'game' to be a way of seducing girls. Making girls want to fuck you. Making them attracted to you. - But the more I read of seddit, it just seems as though this isn't possible. It's simply a matter of ''approach - be yourself - if she isn't into you, move on''. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, but if that's the case, do we really need a sub reddit? No skill. No technique. Nothing you do or say matters. Just approach, be yourself and hope she l…
/r/seduction08/07/17 07:41 PM
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I know that that general idea seems to be common around here, but to me that is accepting that there really isn't such thing as 'game'
/r/seduction08/07/17 06:51 PM
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lol, at work is where about 90% of my friends in a relationship met! I'm not even exaggerating
/r/seduction08/07/17 06:40 PM
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I don't think I could do it, to be honest. Certainly not in England! I'd give it a go in the US, though. It isnt' such a weird thing to be on your own and trying to make friends with strangers over there for some reason, from what I gather.
/r/seduction08/07/17 04:53 PM
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A clear example of this is how I started going out with my ex girlfriend just because I wanted sex Can you elaborate on this? How did you get her in the very rirst instance?
/r/seduction08/07/17 10:01 AM
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Know that you are not alone. It can help knowing that there really are others in your situation. Me, for example! Not EXACTLY, but I tell you what, it's pretty fucking similar!! I've spent decades doing nothing, just in solitary on my PC. Never had motivation to do anything. It always been like my brain isn't quite wired correctly. Never had a clue what to do. I'm not a virgin, but i've had VERY limited success with girls. Never had a girlfriend. Never really wanted one though, if i'm honest. I'…
/r/seduction07/07/17 10:12 PM
1

Where do you live?
/r/seduction07/07/17 09:49 PM
1

what techniques and principles in terms of pickup are you referring too? You mention' holding a conversation' for example. What pickup theory do you implement?
/r/seduction07/07/17 05:31 PM
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thanks. I wish everyone was as helpful as you Was the other guy right in that I should not ask her age/name/where she's been etc etc? And If I go out tonight, it's fine if i'm like : Hey, i'm essex. So waht's your deal? you look like you xxxxx she replies. me bla bla......so when you're not doing xxxx what do you do for fun? Also, do you try to somehow have fun right from the open or even with your opener? I notice that I often get very cold reactions and I usually just go in and am like ''Hi'' …
/r/seduction07/07/17 01:09 PM
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One thing i've noticed (and that Max kind of touches on hn his vid) is that verbally opening girls on the dancefloor gets me shot down very harsh every time. HOWEVER, the reason I carry on doing it is that I always see guys going up to girsl on the dancefloor when i'm out, whispering SOMETHING in there ears, and then soon after they are making out, I guess I just don't know waht the hell them guys are saying, lol. I've tried everything from a statement too a question too a compliment to somethin…
/r/seduction07/07/17 11:50 AM
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What does that mean exaclty? Going forward, so that I don't make the same mistakes and keep spinning my wheels by asking questions that I shouldn't ask, should my plan be: Open girl. ''Hi, i'm esssex'' or whatever (Do NOT ask her her age or where she's been that night etc) Instead, after I open and she says' 'hi' back: Ask her what she is doing with her life. Ask her about her hobbies and what she does for fun Ask her why I should be interested in her / what's special about her If she seems rece…
/r/seduction07/07/17 11:38 AM
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thanks for trying to be more specific! So ''What are you doing with your life'' - That seems fair enoguh question to ask. Maybe a bit 'heavy' after opening a girl in a bar, though? Like ''Hey. What's up? I'm Essex''. Her: hi Me: So, what you doing with your life? Why would I be interested in her? -Do I ask that as a question? Seems like a good way for a girl to sort of be like ''Errr...you shouldn't be. Go away'' lol Does she stydy? - Good. I can (and have) asked that Good student? Same. Good Ho…
/r/seduction07/07/17 10:31 AM
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