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What Attracts Women

johnsnow_pua

February 22, 2018

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https://thezenmale.com/2018/01/what-attracts-women/

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Title	What Attracts Women
Author	johnsnow_pua
Upvotes	33
Comments	6
Date	February 22, 2018 10:05 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/7zit7w/what_attracts_women/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/seduction/what-attracts-women.1442132 https://theredarchive.com/post/1442132

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[–]whoop_there_she_is 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This silly, poorly-worded article has a lot of good points but swings and misses in a few important areas.

First, always self-improve. For yourself. For your own ego, your own betterment, and your own life. That part is correct.

Second, confidence and self-improvement is attractive to women. Women are pretty consistently self-analyzing to be better, most men are too. Somehow that doesn't get across to some men. It makes the confident, self-improving men seem "alpha" when really that should be the status quo.

The one, 100% wrong phrase in the article is this: "women don't know what they want". Actually, they very much do. Otherwise they'd be constantly falling for men who are weak, shallow, and insecure. It's easy to find a guy who is confident and self-improving, so when a woman says she wants a "nice guy who respects her", it doesn't mean she doesn't want a confident and self-improving guy. It just means those things are a given, and "nice" and "respectful" just happen to be a couple more things on the list.

Of course, if you're sitting there improving yourself only for women, it's obvious and a turn-off. Women don't want to feel like they're on a pedestal, and soooo many people put them up there when they'd really just like to be treated as humans. So yeah, be the best person you can be, for yourself, and women will be attracted to that. But not because they're stupid.

[–]DR_JDUBZ 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The one, 100% wrong phrase in the article is this: "women don't know what they want". Actually, they very much do. Otherwise they'd be constantly falling for men who are weak, shallow, and insecure.

Lots of women fall for guys who are weak, shallow, and insecure. At the same time; what one person considers weak, shallow, and insecure will not match what another considers weak, shallow, and insecure. It is relative.

As a guy, I know exactly what I want in a woman. At the same time, having almost non existent dating experience, I'm really not sure what I want. A person may have ideas on what they want/expect of a potential partner but it certainly is possible for someone to come along, meets very few wants/expectations, but still comes across as very attractive.

Those with significant experience very well may know what they want, but there are lots of people out there without significant experience who may not really know what they want.

[–]whoop_there_she_is 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]johnsnow_pua 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]whoop_there_she_is 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not (just) biological. It's objectively better to be a confident, good-looking guy with charisma than a weak, shallow guy who spends all his time focusing on his failures. No women I know would ever say they want a guy who "structures their life around them," that sounds shallow and needy to me (as a woman). But you don't need to ask women "what they want" to see what traits are objectively better and more successful than others. Nobody clearly and accurately states what they want in non-biased terms, especially when being cold-asked a question like "what kind of man do you want?" Especially when they have no incentive to be 100% truthful. It's not a woman thing, it's a human thing.

One warning, however: it's very clear to people who can read body language well when a person thinks they are superior or inferior to other people. If a woman reads confidence and charisma, that's awesome. If they read a superiority or inferiority complex, that's unattractive. It shows you haven't learned to "play by the social rules". By placing women as a whole significantly above or below you in any one area, you're disadvantaging yourself.

[–]candycane_walrus5 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

To go off of what u/whoop_there_she_is said.

Biologically both genders are drawn towards confident, polite, interesting people. If someone looks obviously nervous, everyone else responds by being on edge, because the nervous person obviously senses some kind of danger. People also don't quite know how to respond well to questions like "what do you want to do with your life" or "What type of person would you be sexually attracted to" from complete strangers. I also agree, if women didn't know what they wanted there wouldn't be any common characteristics between men who are successful with ladies, and men who are not it would all just be random.

I'm dating my now boyfriend because he was very well mannered and polite, he doesn't structure his life around me, he's his own individual, just like how women are also individuals. Which by this authors definition is both a nice guy AND alpha, I never quite understood why people don't think you can be both.