I've been lurking on this seddit for a while now, and I can honestly tell it's been the main reason for the change I've noticed in not only my game, but in my confidence level. I still have plenty of room for improvement, starting with closing. At what point in the conversation should you try to move it out of the party/bar? I know there isn't some magic number of minutes, but I'm looking more at level of interest, kino escalation, conversation segways?

I've also heard that persistence can be key, but how much persistence before you should just try with one of the other lovely ladies you've been talking to that evening?