I've been reading through this sub and while there is a lot of useful advice there is a lot of misinformation or just plain hate speech. Not sure if its shills or whatever, but the fact remains there are some hateful people here.

Example: The Fox and the Sour grapes. - look it up.

What if I saw a group of women at a party.

One of them I was flirting with all of the sudden leaves me and follows others into a room.

I try to follow but some guy stops me.

Turns out there is a few guys in there and tons of women.

Obvious what they are doing.

I walk away.

I say to myself, "better I found out now that she's a whore, then later, I'm better off without her tonight anyways.

But the truth is I still want in that room.

I want to bang all those chicks, I want to be one of the guys in there.

Maybe its a defense mechanism keeping me going, keeping me from feeling the harsh reality.

Anyways, back to what I was saying - I've noticed a lot on this thread about guys saying, kill your thirst for women and you'll be happy, don't do this or that. But the truth is you aren't going to kill your thirst for women its built into you. Just like women, their thirst for men, is built into them.

It's how we all got here, how there are billions of us on this planet. Nature is only recently having to evolve feelings, and to top it off the westernization/americanization of this world has hurt everyone, not just men - women too.

Marriage - that's not part of nature.

Socializing has taken on new forms rapidly evolving. 50-60 years ago there were separate bathrooms for blacks and whites! Can you imagine what it's going to be like in 50-60 years? What if we will look back and say in the same tone as the previous statement, "there were separate bathrooms for men and women!". No one knows.

My point is, the nature of the human mind and your external consciousness have radically different agendas. Perhaps the argument I'm making is nature vs nurture.

You feel abused by women because your views of the world are tarnished by the environment you grew up in.

I saw a documentary of a man in Madagascar who fished and brought that home to his woman and children every day. She tended to the home and children while he was away. This is basically the western lifestyle simplified. Man goes and earns dinner while the woman stays and cares for the children. Could be flipped, doesn't really matter - it's equal. Somewhere along the way however we have lost our simplicity. Now we over complicate everything. Its understandable though, we are bombarded everyday by something someone else wants from us - advertisements. If you can be forced to believe this, then you'll do that, and I will profit(bring home the fish).

I think we should simplify things down and keep them there, because we are moving beyond our evolved capacity. It's too soon for us to have what we have, we are not ready.

Anyone care to indulge me in more conversation? Argue against or for? Disagree/agree with anything I've said. I know I've spewed a lot of information and randomly but I think the point is shown.

TLDR: You have your own needs and wants developed by your surroundings, and nature has its own needs and wants developed over time. The two are battling and this sub along with the female equivalent are indirect evidence. Direct evidence could be the way we interact with one another - how we do what we do to each other.

UPDATE:

Well you guys make sense period. I looked up the red pill four or five months ago and remember denying it, just say no that's not how shit is, its people you need to find good people, these girls that have toyed with the men on here are bad people they just need to find good people. Not so....

Now I'm angry. To the point that it hurts me physically. I have a very difficult time accepting that my train of thought is just plain wrong and needs to change completely. We should be good to one another, but I'm guessing that good means something completely different from what I thought it meant days ago. I'M A HUMAN BEING GOD DAMMIT.

Time to man up but how - help me. Help this young boy become a man.