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Are Men Finished? Intelligence Squared Debate

jebthecybersoldier

April 23, 2016
9 upvotes
/r/MGTOW

http://intelligencesquaredus.org/debates/past-debates/item/552-men-are-finished I think no. Opinions on the debate?

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Title Are Men Finished? Intelligence Squared Debate
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jebthecybersoldier

Upvotes 9
Comments 16
Date April 23, 2016 7:14 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/4g4ttl/are_men_finished_intelligence_squared_debate/
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[–]cosmic1234 15 points16 points17 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Just my opinion, haven't watched the debate: the only way men are "finished" if there is continued society wide efforts to finish them off, to isolate and demonize them, like making it difficult for boys to be boys and to learn and understand in the ways the best suit them, and having young men suffer unemployment and a lack of education, with the lack of education having a significant negative effect for the state of future societies.

At best, women will trudge along but there'll be no doubt that with men being "finished", human civilization will have entered a dark age, a period of intellectual and scientific stagnation. There may be some women scientists, engineers, and architects but men far outnumber women by virtue of their superior intellect, and women will be hard pressed to fill in those massive shoes. For the big questions, the answers, the big advancements, the revolutionary thinking, lies squarely in the domain of the male mind. The decline of men we see is artificial, as result of societal carelessness to the needs of boys and men, as men and boys are thrown under the bus in favor of girls and women, and feminine ways of doing things.

I don't give a shit about civilization, since that I won't be living forever, but without men, humanity has not even a snowball's chance in hell of making it out of the solar system and beyond. Women don't have the mental capacity to achieve greatness, and never will (without some sort of mental augmentation by way of artificial implements, which will have to be designed in order for it to be put into wide scale use). Women will never make great leaps in STEM--not anytime soon at least--leaps that are necessary to power humanity to a new age, or a Type 1 civilization on the "Kardashev scale". They might invent apps or little doodads that serve basic functions, but when it comes to what truly matters, women are ultimately incapable of producing the results needed to power humanity forward. We need geniuses for that, and we all know that genius is a characteristic of the male, not the female.

With all the said, by the time we are extinct as a species (and it will happen sooner or later), the totality of human achievement and the honors that come with it will fall into the category of men. Men had to do the thinking, the building, the dying, the discovering. They took risks, and risk taking is another characteristic of men, that sometimes ended in death or failure, and success.*

[–]User-31f64a4e11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

without some sort of mental augmentation by way of artificial implements, which will have to be designed in order for it to be put into wide scale use

And it's not just an issue of IQ here. Female risk aversion, social conformity, style of conflict resolution, etc - they just aren't wired for anything but breeding. Not even child rearing really, not after a child is weaned anyway; this is why children of single mothers turn out so bad.

[–]jebthecybersoldier[S] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very nice. Upvoted.

[–]LordPorker 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The real question is: Will women ever return to the kitchen where they belong?

[–]oldredder1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

with men's ability to be independent we won't need them there anymore, living alone, so women will either turn to their own kitchens alone or will blow all their money on take-out.

[–]Alphado1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Men aren't finished, natural pregnancy will be finished as the inferior option when artificial wombs are available.

It's very expensive and inefficient to carry thousands of women in a spaceship to colonize planets. It's much easier to have artificial wombs on a ship that can grow and incubate people when it arrives on a planet.

[–]oldredder1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

except invention of the artificial womb may cost more than the entire adventure added up if done with women in hibernation.

[–]Alphado0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

except invention of the artificial womb may cost more than the entire adventure added

Currently old legislation is preventing development and accessibility. When it becomes available, like other technology, the cost will decrease.

[–]oldredder0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it won't. The nature of what it is would be more complex than performing 100 simultaneous brain surgeries. The first one could cost a TRILLION dollars and after 100 years maybe drop to 250 BILLION.

It will never be affordable.

[–]dominotw0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my god. despite the lols I was raging hard.

[–]General_Fear-1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I will admit that I did not view the video because it was 1:45 long. Apologies beforehand. That said . . . Men are finished when they invent 2 things.

1.) Perfect artificial sperm.

2.) Perfect Robots.

They are getting close having fully functioning sperm that can get women pregnant. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fIQCMQzSvc

When robots can do any job a man can do then men will not be needed for labor.

Once we are needed anymore for work and they don't need our sperm that's when feminist will actively start talking about the exterminating men. Militant feminist talk about killing 90% of the world's male population and just leaving a few behind for reproduction.

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=AwrBT6JvwhxXL8UATjtXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0OGp1ZnBnBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQTAxOThfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=kill+all+men&fr=yfp-t-562&fr2=piv-web#id=7&vid=4c45c672df6c0002a7a24f80c1c656ea&action=view

[–]Bus9ja2d 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Artificial wombs and freezing all the eggs from teenage girls is just as likely (that is to say, not very likely at all)

[–]Source1311 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck.

[–]searangex 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If it came down to an all out gender war, men would obliterate them

[–]Source1311 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It looks so fucking insane - women suggesting to kill the opposite sex, because they are the opposite gender. It is so deeply detached from nature and reality.

[–]Alphado0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are nowhere near finished. It's natural pregnancy that will become a thing of the past. A burden, a high risk endavour. Artificial wombs will replace natural pregnancy, because it will be healthier, safer, and free women from the burden.

Artificial sperm doesn't free women from the burden of natural pregnancy. When artificial wombs become available there's no need for women as incubators which also benefits them.

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