MGTOW Fathers

deadBeefCafe2014 · 2018-06-03T22:36:48+00:00

I have pre-teen sons, so I can’t really give you good gender specific advice.

But here is the best advice I can offer:

Keep your word and always follow through. It’s far better to under promise in every case.
Be honest about your situations. It’s okay to tell her “I can’t tell you everything, because you wouldn’t understand it.”
Be tough but fair in all forms of discipline and be consistent.
Praise accomplishment and hard work. You child only deserves what they earn.

As far as the ex, deal as little as humanly possible. It’s all about business now. Stick to all the terms of your divorce decree. Any changes outside the terms of the agreement can and most likely will be used by her attorney in the future as a contempt charge. Be nice enough to keep things civil.

Assure your daughter that it’s okay to love her mom, even though you don’t. As a MGTOW, it should be easy to keep the trash talk to a minimum in her presence.

One of the best compliments I have received in the nearly 4 years I have been divorced was from my oldest son: “You won’t ever lie to me dad.”

Chepos232 · 2018-06-03T20:49:41+00:00

The other 0.3% are just good at hiding it. They are all like that. Without male authority you are set up to fail in a system that clearly just want to exploit you.

Iqbal40862715 · 2018-06-03T22:12:51+00:00

It is a brutal world to raise kids in. Indoctrination is literally everywhere. I have a son just entering his teen years. It is absolutely sickening to see what kids are exposed to now days, and virtually impossible to stop. I guess if I where you, I would try to teach her empathy, maybe take her to a homeless shelter (when she's at the right age of course). Teach her that actions have consequences. Teach her the realities of female AND male nature and the facts of the feminist lies that are destroying people's lives. The fact that even with the lopsided systems geared to help woman, that woman are at record levels of unhappiness.

SnackSquadTB · 2018-06-03T21:11:30+00:00

I'm no father an i'm in no position to offer advice anyone should listen when it comes to kids... but if I had a daughter I would try to raise her to be a man, to not be delicate and to drive herself forward. furthermore realizing all women will learn they can string most men along with their meat and make them do her bidding I would get her to not respect those men and respect those who do see through her manipulation. ie if you can manipulate a man who's to say a prettier face can't manipulate him too and take him from you. probably would also try and set her up with a nice lad from a stable home of a friend that shares similar values. that way she knows the kind of boy to look for and already has one. at the very least I would get her to respect my opinion of who she chases, let her know that I know her more than she does as I've seen her develop into who she is, so I can at least approve her marriage so it will be successful. all i'd want for my daughter would be to not ride the CC and tell her the dangers of it. may even find some post wall women to show her and let her see for herself. of course i'm no father, i'm not going to be most likely and i still have MUCH to learn in this world and my opinion most likely is the wrong choice. but if i have kids those are the values i would try and teach them.

Usuqamadiq · 2018-06-03T22:50:24+00:00

Do you know what is worse than having a daughter and fearing the future for her? Having 2 daughters. Worse than that, having a son and all three being primarily raised by their mother.

UmbrellalikeWetness · 2018-06-03T23:20:04+00:00

Also have a young daughter, and struggling with the same questions. It seems raising a daughter redpilled will end up either as a redpilled female, or a weaponized blue pill. Not sure which would have a better long term outcome.

WhiteIverson991 · 2018-06-04T15:36:55+00:00

OP, same here, I’ve been divorced for a little over 2 years now, have a daughter that recently turned 3, and her mother has custody of her as I work overseas and rarely get to come home. It’s a bitter pill to swallow knowing that she may- and likely very well end up much like her mother. You just have to pray that God will work a miracle and she won’t be like her mother. I’ll think of ya. There are a lot in this community that are here because of just that.

mgtow_jux · 2018-06-05T22:39:52+00:00

My first thought when I read this is that you are fake. Some of the wording is just a bit off. For instance, I don't think most men use the word patriarchal in reference to fatherhood, after all this is like saying that you are trying to me a manly and father-like father. Somewhat redundant.

Also, if you are real you wouldn't say that you had a daughter who was a kid, I would expect you to age your child appropriately, there is a huge difference between what you can impart in the future to a 5 year old vs a 10 year old vs a 15 year old vs a 25 year old.

And most red-pilled people recognize that we don't live in a tradcon world, we live in a world where tradcons and feminist progressives are battling for the society.

But if you are real, I thought I would chime in.

For all their evils, I don't think that feminism and gynocentrism have destroyed the father-daughter relationship. After all, gynocentrism is just holding the needs of the female ahead of the needs of the male, and this is the natural dynamic of a father and daughter. So I don't think you need to change how much you love or cater to your daughter or her needs to try to make her a different person. The father-daughter bond is incredibly important in a girl's attitude toward the world and especially the men in it. As you may need to battle the girl's mother for her opinion of you, there may be a struggle just to insert your self into her life in a healthy way. Being MGTOW and being beholden to the needs of a child won't be easy.

The nice thing about MGTOW and being red-pilled is that you can see the world in it's truth. So if and when the time is right you can impart the truth to your daughter. She may not listen, she may spit in the face of your counsel, she will make mistakes, but at least you can impart the truths of the red pill and let her deal with them. In essence, you share the same problem that many religious parents have letting their kids wander in into the zeitgeist of the secular world. You can only warn them about the world and it's consequences, the rest is up to them.

Key narratives:

Adult women are responsible for what happens to them. If they go swimming in shark infested waters and lose a limb it is their fault. If they eat fatty sugary diets and gain weight, it's their fault. If they get pregnant, it's their fault. If they get blind drunk at a frat party and coerced into a gang bang, it's their fault. If they going jogging alone at night and get abducted it's their fault. There are bad people, some of which are in fact men, in the world, and it's the responsibilities of adults to protect themselves from them. It's not acceptable to see yourself as a victim, even when the world is telling you that you are.
Most women find the greatest happiness being mothers of children. The very best way to do this is in a committed long term monogamous relationship established when she is at a young age (by modern standards).
Long term monogamous relationships are a function of pair bonding which is when two people commit themselves to each other physically. Females ability to pair bond has been shown by science to be inversely proportional to the number of sexual partners they've had. Therefore, the more a girl plays the field before marriage, the more likely it is that she won't find a happy monogamous relationship and the more likely that she will get divorced when she does.
A woman's instincts in adolescence and young adulthood run contrary to her prospects of future happiness. She'll want to eat french fries, drink soda pop, and fuck bad boys. She'll want to ride the cock carousel. She'll want to hang out with the alpha high school guys (total losers) and alpha college Chads. The real winners in the world that college-ish women should want are the computer programmer nerds, the engineers, and the quiet but successful business school types. These are easily found in college (without girlfriends), along with the Physicians, Dentists, Lawyers, and other future success grad students (in STEM). These are the guys she should be aiming for.
Her attraction to confidence, good looks, high end grooming and clothes, and Alpha-traits in men are a bug not a feature. The best males for a young woman to pursue won't care enough about any of that bullshit. The best ones will be happy being friends with her for six months or longer without a romantic relationship between them. Once she finds one of those she thinks is a good prospect and a good friend, she should figure out a way to jump start that friendship into a relationship.
A woman's SMV deteriorates rapidly after 20. Counsel her to marry young, assuming that she finds a winner. Success in marriage for a woman is simple, learn to keep your legs open and your mouth shut, don't look for a better man than what you have, be a goddamn partner. Divorce is like war, no winners, only survivors, and men will always fare better in it than women, except for the casualties. There are no NAWALTs but there are women who can handle their end of a business partnership like a marriage contract. That's all that can be asked.
Your SMV is much higher than most women your age including the ex-wife, which is why you are single (MGTOW). You can have any single woman you want anywhere near your age, but they have nothing to offer you compared to what you have. This underlines where you are in the world as a man and why all of the above is important.
If she becomes a feminist, it's your job to remind her that men are people, too. And hope that the message gets through. Don't get mad about feminism, multi-culturalism, or progressivism or any other philosophical issue, laugh at it, this is the most destructive approach.

My ten cents. Good luck.

TheImpossible1 · 2018-06-03T21:34:00+00:00

Don't bother, it'll turn out as man hating trash that will probably drive some poor guy to suicide.

Title	MGTOW Fathers
Author	Iqbal40862715
Upvotes	14
Comments	25
Date	June 3, 2018 8:37 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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