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Writer takes Dworkin apart . . .

ProfVanDusen

January 5, 2014
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/r/MensRights

. . . piece by piece!

http://articles.latimes.com/1997-03-16/books/bk-38664_1_andrea-dworkin

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Title Writer takes Dworkin apart . . .
Author

ProfVanDusen

Upvotes 0
Comments 16
Date January 5, 2014 1:54 AM UTC
(12 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1ufg6n/writer_takes_dworkin_apart/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/writer-takes-dworkin-apart.1005211
https://theredarchive.com/post/1005211
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[–]Ding_batman 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why have you posted three old articles by Futrelle?

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[–]Ding_batman 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who knows, but s/he is definitely obsessed with him.

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[–]Ding_batman 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then why use three different posts, two of which don't refer to his name. There is something off about the OP.

[–]shrodingerstherapist 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In one extraordinary essay, she suggests that male writers who challenge her views are no better than serial killer Marc Lepine, the brutal misogynist who gunned down 14 women in Montreal a little over seven years ago. "It is true that not every man picks up a semiautomatic gun," Dworkin writes, "but a lot of them don't have to, because they have pens." The pen, it seems, is indeed mightier than the sword.

So Peezus Myers wasn't even being original when he wrote that disgusting blog post saying all MRA's are mass murderers.

[–]rightsbot 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]liquid_j 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well... I just nodded my head in agreement while reading something written by David Futrelle. This is a new sensation. Why do I feel how I imagine I'd feel had I cheated on my wife?

[–]YetAnotherCommenter 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, its Futrelle, but to be fair he makes a few reasonable criticisms of Dworkin. He also summarizes her worldview with respect to pornography very accurately, with quotes.

However, he hardly performs a forceful demolition job on her entire belief system. At most he makes a restrained criticism of her argument against porn.

He even defends her from the charge of 'hating men' on the grounds that she treats anti-censorship feminists even worse than men. That's just both terrible reasoning AND an attempt to whitewash the most obvious misandrist in the feminist canon.

Unsurprisingly, Futrelle makes a lot of tone arguments and treats her with kid gloves.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Thats nothing unusual, all third wave feminists disagree with dworkin.

[–]ProfVanDusen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Third wave, third shmave. That's bullshit terminology that doesn't mean anything outside that sorry cult. No offense.

The fact is, all of that stuff I posted by Futrelle might have been written by any number of so-called "men's rights" activists, and David Futrelle would be looking at it closely looking for something to make fun of so he could affirm his credentials with angry, self-righteous feminist bloggers.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

If an average mra was writing that stuff, they probably would be applying it to all 3rd wave feminists, not realizing that there is rather large schism between 2nd wave sex negative dworkinist all PIV sex is rape type feminists, and sex positive third wave feminists and that third wave feminists reject 2nd wave sex negativity.

[–]ProfVanDusen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The "average mra" is no different than the vast majority of Americans -- who, incidentally, don't buy the feminist bullshit, first wave, fifth wave, or last wave. It is an extremist cult not worthy of serious study.

[–]JaydenPope 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Surprisingly how long this article is out of date and how long dworkin has been dead she still is talked about.

Typical feminist where women in her world can't do anything that's not pre-approved by the sisterhood.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AVfM knows enough about feminism to know that its normal for thrid wave feminists to be critical of 2nd wave sex negativity.

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