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The quandary of consent

ACGlasier

April 4, 2016
22 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title The quandary of consent
Author

ACGlasier

Upvotes 22
Comments 11
Date April 4, 2016 2:18 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4d9449/the_quandary_of_consent/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/the-quandary-of-consent.952604
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Comments

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This is why the old standard was about forceful attacks.

[–]cottonthread 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't part of the change brought about by things like date-rape drugs? If you can subdue the victim without force then a law that only focuses on a forceful attack needs revisiting.

[–]xNOM 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wasn't part of the change brought about by things like date-rape drugs?

No, the main argument was that resisting would just result in the woman getting even more beat up. I am not sure if there is a factual basis for this. It was just the usual "stop blaming the victim" crap, probably.

Date rape drugs are a hysteria. They have always been a hysteria. Alcohol is the actual date "rape" drug and is self-administered.

[–]Archibald_Andino 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Date rape drugs are a hysteria

About as common as razor blades in Halloween candy or a tourist waking up in a bathtub full of ice and a missing kidney

[–]anarchop 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why couldn't drugging someone be considered force?

[–]cottonthread 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well to me the word 'force' implies physical strength/power. You don't need to hold the victim down or threaten them with pain if they're unconscious, though I guess depending on the situation you might need physical strength to move them to a more secluded place.

[–]anarchop 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

From my research only physical harm is required for assault not the application of physical force. Drugging someone is considered assault in most criminal codes.

[–]girlwriteswhat 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, there doesn't need to be any physical harm, or even physical contact, for assault to apply. At least not according to the Canadian Criminal Code.

Brandishing one's fist at another person can count as assault, if there is a reasonable belief that the brandishing of the fist will be followed up with an actual physical blow.

[–]MelissaClick 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I thought that article "Schroedinger's Rapist" was going to be about when I had read only the title.

[–]MelissaClick 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Part two:

  • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADilenuIalQ "The quandary of consent | part 2"

EDIT: Also, the reddit thread:

  • https://np.reddit.com/r/Documentaries/comments/4cv91h/the_trial_of_jian_ghomeshi_the_fifth_estate_3/d1pgnxr?context=10000

[–]Archibald_Andino 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She makes an interesting point. Girl A has blackout drunk sex, wakes up to creepy asshole who has no interest in her, decides she was raped for lack of sober consent. Girl B has identical blackout drunk sex situation, but wakes up next to good looking popular guy who wants to see her again. She decides it was not rape and actively pursues a relationship.

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