Former Canton High School coach receives relaxed sentence; 15-year-old girl lied about age

[–]mwobuddy 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

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So what you're saying is that 15 year olds are horrbile victims of rape if some 20-40 year old willingly has sex with them, knowing they're underage.

The entire idea of age of consent is that a person who is under that age is always a victim. They always are harmed, emotionally, physically, whatever, by sex with an older person.

What you're suggesting calls into question teachers fucking students as being rape, or older people fucking teens as being rape in general, for the mere violation of age of consent law.

Age of consent law presumes that the person who is older, or who is in a position of authority, HAS COERCED the younger person to do someting they wouldnt otherwise do, which is why its called 'defiling a minor/child' or 'corruption of a minor/child'.

Corruption/defiling of her (sinec she's underage) STILL happened.

I'm the one fighting people who talk about how its rape for teachers and students, or older people with teens in general, all the time. I get called a retard by oppositional types when I do that as well, because "its clearly rape because he/she's underage!".

I'm asking for consistency in the beliefs of the people on the sub.

How does a person go from a victim to a perpetrator of a sex crime by deceiving the other person as to being too young by law?

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That's exactly what I see on this forum.

Suppose a teacher has sex with a student-age individual. People on this sub will be horrified that she used her position of authority as a teacher.

I get it. There's an unspoken rule. If he'd been a 40 year old male teacher rather than a 20 year old male coach, it'd be something else entirely to you, Im sure, just as its something else entirely to the people of this sub when a teacher travels 100 miles to have sex with a 'student' from another district, who is otherwise of legal age, but the teacher is then done in for 'carnal knowledge of a minor', or 'corruption of a minor', or any other kind of legalese which amounts to "yeah, it was legal but we think its morally reprehensible so fuck you".

Such a hypothetical female teacher gets 1-2 years prison, and people on here lose their shit about preferential female treatment and how it was 'rape'.

[–]samsc2 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You have no comprehension of this situation nor the situations that people would complain about. This is not the same situation as the standard female teacher rapes male student issue that is talked about a lot in this subreddit. This is a completely different issue. The GIRL LIED ABOUT HER AGE on numerous social media outlets and the dating app. The GUY happened to be a teacher but NOT HER TEACHER. The GUY thought SHE was 19 because she said she was, the social media accounts she was using said she was, and the dating app/website she signed up for said she was.

How many times do you need to be explained something before you understand them? The GUY was lied too. It has nothing to do with authority, his teaching status had nothing to do with the situation, and it was all based on the fact that SHE defrauded him/websites. Holy shit you're dense.

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[+]1493271 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

How exactly was he using his position of authority to coerce her into sex?

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Exactly! That's the same question I always ask when teacher-student sex scandals pop up on this sub.

See this? https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6q6dqv/former_canton_high_school_coach_receives_relaxed/dkvckdn/

[She is most DEFINITELY a victim of rape, because she's underage. Let's not sweep that under the carpet. She's also a victim of abuse of authority because laws against student/teacher relationships do not gauge where authority abuse actually occurred, the use of coercion is considered de-facto in all cases, whether it happened or not, and he has a position of authority by being a coach]

The law is explicit that "age and/or legal position of authority" creates abuse automatically. A 20 year old fucking a 15 year old knowing they're 15 is abusing their "power dynamic imbalance", and thus a sick child predator. Make it 28 and 15 if you think the ages are too close.

A teacher fucking a student is also considered PDI.

But why? Why if there's no proof of coercion?

Because its a catchall law. I don't see coercion in many, if not most, of the teacher-student scandals that appear on this sub, but people are suggesting the teacher be burned at the stake.

Now, on to that term that means a person is always resonsible for a sex act, regardless of knowing or not. Im drawing a blank right now.

So in many states, lack of knowing someone is underage is not an excuse. You're still in prison for fucking someone underage, even if they lied about it. Why?

The reasoning is simple. Even though you didn't KNOW you were older than the other person, and thus you didn't KNOW you were pushing your unequal Power Dynamic on the other one, you still did so, because maybe this person was afraid to say no because you were old, even though you don't KNOW she's younger.

So a coach or teacher from another district hooking up with a student-aged individual, even if they don't KNOW, is using their position of authority to have coercive sex with a student, especially if the student who lies about their age DOES know that the other person is a coach or teacher.

In looking at it another way, we know that females are drawn to fuck authority figures. Its illegal to fuck a student because they do 'fall' for authority figures in general and thus its abuse of position of authority to fuck em, even though you don't KNOW they're lying.

I'm not saying this is right. I'm not saying this is fair. I'm always the one questioning whether its really 'abuse' when these kinds of things come up.

But here in this case, people are protecting him on this sub because he's a 20 year old male, and not a 30 year old female. Hell, I saw a 20 year old female had sex with a student (she was a TA), and everyone thought the 1-2 year sentence she got was too light.

But maybe its because 'she knew the age'.

Here's another thing to think about:

We live in a culture that says anyone having sex with someone underage is rape. Right? So he did rape her, despite not knowing. This is the basis for that law which says "even though you didn't know, you're still legally liable".

Why is it rape if you know, and not-rape if you don't know?

If its so serious that we call it rape of a minor/child when someone has sex with someone that young, why should anyone be freed from the crime because of the younger person lying? The fact that we blame the adult in these situations when they know is due to the implicit claim that "teens/children don't know whats good for them, are stupid, and make dumb mistakes". Just because she commits to several lies over the course of the engagement does not make her no longer a teen/child making dumb mistakes.

In the end, here's what happened. Two people meet up and have sex.

If Person A and Person B are 20-40 and 15 respectively in ages.

If Person A knows how young they are, they're a sick freak and a rapist of a child. Yes, I see this time and again on this sub. It isn't questioned.

However if Person A doesn't know how young they are, as in this case, no rape occurred? Or rather, what would be the reason for suggesting that even though a horrible child rape crime occurred (she can't legally consent, and is a victim of rape by your guys' minds in the circumstances where someone knows her age), a person should not be punished for it?

See, I thought child rape was serious business. But here people are defending someone who indeed committed the act of raping a child, since she can't consent by law, and that lack of consent is rape.

The defense of this guy only makes sense through bias; wanting guys to not get punished so much/at all because women don't get punished much and its paraded around on this sub. I get that. But the reasons for not punishing him contradict the reasons for punishing women more harshly for sex with students, or people in general for sex with the underage.

if he'd been 40 and had sex with a 15 year old that lied and said she was 19, I don't think we'd be arguing over this. People would suggest he should serve his time in all likelihood, because it looks even more like rape or taking advantage of a child, even if he was lied to.

[+]1493271 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I'd argue they're both victims here. He's a victim because he was coerced/manipulated and she was a victim because she doesn't have the ability to consent, because of the influence he had on her simply because of age. He undoubtedly used a power dynamic simply because of how much older he was. Regardless of how old he thought she was he would have had an obvious influence on her actions that would have been super easy to catch onto.

I was lied to when I was in highschool. I was a junior (17 at the time) and the girl I was with was a freshman (14). She lies and said she was a sophomore and 16. The influence I had on her just from 3 years was obvious and something I caught onto. I never slept with her but it would have been to easy. I found out she was lying early on. That's my experience.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He's a victim because he was coerced/manipulated and she was a victim because she doesn't have the ability to consent, because of the influence he had on her simply because of age. He undoubtedly used a power dynamic simply because of how much older he was.

Ding. Point proven.

A Power Dynamic boogeyman is invoked immediately due to age difference, regardless of whether or not someone intended to use that PD to their benefit.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/10529134/Girls-really-do-mature-quicker-than-boys-scientists-find.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-brain-and-emotional-intelligence/201104/are-women-more-emotionally-intelligent-men

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/womensmedia/2016/11/02/using-emotional-intelligence-is-a-woman-leaders-secret-weapon/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_emotional_intelligence

http://archive.is/CkSjK

Emotional intelligence (EI) involves using cognitive and emotional abilities to function in .... at detecting consistency with basic emotions, women were superior at detecting deception in both basic emotion and inconsistent emotions conditions

Ask yourself some questions here:

If girls mature 10 years sooner than guys, how are guys the ones taking advantage of 'helpless naive girls' when the guy is slightly older?

if girls supposedly have superior emotional intelligence, which involves understanding motives, why are they considered equals, or even INFERIORS when they have sex with teenage males of their own age, or slightly older males?

if girls are supposedly equal, why is it that when women have sex with underage students, its always referred to as sex and trysts, not rape, whereas men having sex with students is referred to as rape?

[+]1493271 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude. You're preaching to the choir. It's the dynamic we live in as a society. Women are seen as weaker and less capable by the justice system so... They do less time. The same way kids receive less time. Which results in... Sexism towards men. Men are also seen as predators and always wanting sex by the justice system and media, so more often than not people don't think there was any influence needed. Sexism is a two way street. We live in a bisexist society. When something is negatively sexist towards one gender it is usually positively sexist towards the other gender. And this is a perfect example of that.

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Title	Former Canton High School coach receives relaxed sentence; 15-year-old girl lied about age
Author	Supraspinatusnebula
Upvotes	45
Comments	32
Date	July 28, 2017 8:07 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6q6dqv/former_canton_high_school_coach_receives_relaxed/
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