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Except, I believe husband and wife should share security insurance and retirement funds. What you're suggesting here is worse than what the UN has done. Just because a man has a long-term partner he has to share all of his money, regardless of the actual individual circumstances and contributions? Men have no right to own property? Most of all taxes already are spend on women (as I think you know). Husbands already share their income with their wives and are legally obliged to do so, but there a…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/24 08:18 PM
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On average, in the EU, men spent nearly six hours more per week than women on paid work: men reported working a little over 42 hours per week Women worked on average about seven paid hours per week less than men in 2022, according to a new worldwide report from the UN's International Labour Organization. “The fewer hours that women spend in paid employment compound the already large gender gaps in employment rates,” the report stated. https://www.semafor.com/article/01/16/2023/heres-the-differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/24 02:08 PM
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I also need meat and vegetables as a subsistence. But that doesn't mean that cows and wheat are my equals. Your arguments are nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 11:13 AM
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Yes, obviously the female part of a species is needed to give birth to children. A very banal statement, don't you think?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/24 08:57 AM
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If anything, the exact opposite is the case. Fox and Mohapatra assess the gender composition of the team in relation to the gender of the scientist, finding statistical evidence that men’s productivity increases when the research team is composed by a majority of male graduate students, while teams characterized by an intensive presence of women (or mixed) do not show similar effects. According to Fox, subsequent marriages or being married with another scientist have a positive effect on female …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/24 09:13 AM
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The most important red pill you need to swallow is that it is not most women who hate men, but most men who hate men. Feminism is ultimately a men's project and the venom directed against men is enforced and approved by other men. During the vote for female voting rights, more men than women voted for women's emancipation. see also the "women are wonderful" effect and theories about beta male who exhibit female preferential behavior to create monogamy and secure mates.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 03:03 PM
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both have our own sets of strengths and weaknesses. And these strengths and weaknesses work out in such a way that men and women are magically exactly the same? Even though throughout human history and in all cultures we have seen clear male dominants patterns in all areas of achievement?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/06/24 02:43 PM
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Most men's ideas of masculinity were given to them by women, so the man women see as masculine is just a result of their manipulation. That's too one-sided. I think most ideas regarding the western faux masculinity come from the Christian tradition, concepts like chivalry and meekness and so on.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/23 10:39 AM
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Tf is a “beta provider”? Apparently it’s “beta” nowadays to be able to provide for your wife, what a world 😂 Paying a woman just so she can be with you and act like she loves you is extremely beta behavior. That has been our social role in damn near every human culture for the entirety of our species’ quarter-million-year existence. Now that's a new thing, in the past women were treated like property and bought for three camels and the like.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 07:01 PM
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The point is that there are more criteria that go into their definition of “traditional relationship” than individual income, including division of labor, expectations about gender roles, age gap, etc. This is a completely different discussion. Income has an independent effect, regardless of the other variables. These two statements contradict each other. No they don't. Okay, stress put on relationships by financial uncertainty or loss of employment is well documented. Is that what you’re referr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:56 PM
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BTW all this would be much less of a problem if there were no compulsion (common law marriage) - And when women would honestly tell their partner to their face that the main reason why she is with him is to take advantage of his wealth and work.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:37 PM
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(in which the husband earned more and the wife took more parental leave) were more likely to dissolve after the wife’s promotion/election than were marriages which were egalitarian (more equal distribution of earnings and parental leave). Yes, but that's common sense. What else would you expect? Obviously the whole scam doesn't work if the partner has the same income. Are you saying that they don’t pay alimony because they’re women divorcing men and that’s the only reason they’re willing to divo…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 06:28 PM
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I’m sure you understand, just clarifying for discussion. I hope you understand the implications of this fact too. The actual study came to a different conclusion: No need to put the "actual" there. And to what extent does this speculation by the author contradict anything I said? Nor do women who earn more than their husbands and have demanding positions, and yet their success is correlated with an increased risk of divorce. Yes, obviously otherwise they would get divorce raped themselves, again…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 05:34 PM
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Just nitpicking. If you want to get married, fine, if you don't then don't. Many men don't have this choice because of common law marriage (like in Australia). And it is the purpose of this forum to discuss such societal issues. Please do not defend this (should be) criminal scam: Modern marriage tends to be a transactional arrangement in which female attention is traded for male resources. The primary targets for these arrangements are men who could not gain female attention without paying mone…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:55 PM
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Being a beta provider is not an achievement, just as being a suitor of a whore is not an achievement.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:29 PM
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They can obviously sell the house if they can't maintain it. Why wouldn't they divorce them before the money is gone? The common but false assumption is that married women are not simply harlots but are loyal their spouses for other, non-material reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:23 PM
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Women worship is something that only springs forth from scarcity. Men who have many women have an abundance mindset. Marriage, as I have outlined in my article, is just something loser males do: Modern marriage tends to be a transactional arrangement in which female attention is traded for male resources. The primary targets for these arrangements are men who could not gain female attention without paying money. The big problem with these arrangements is that their true nature is hidden. Men oft…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:19 PM
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It's about assets, the house and so on. Reduced income does not mean nothing. In the United States, the lower 40% stratum have assets worth five figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 04:06 PM
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Would love to look at the actual data but the link is broken… There is no link, I cited the study by name, just google it: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/322128430_Different_impacts_of_resources_on_opposite_sex_ratings_of_physical_attractiveness_by_males_and_females Also, how does Study 4 note that women who were elected or promoted were no more likely to remarry after divorce than men and then later conclude that their divorces were caused by a desire for higher status mates? ​ You ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:50 PM
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The problem is the scammy nature of this arrangement : Modern marriage tends to be a transactional arrangement in which female attention is traded for male resources. The primary targets for these arrangements are men who could not gain female attention without paying money. The big problem with these arrangements is that their true nature is hidden. Men often don't understand that they only gain female attention because of the financial means they provide. There are only 12 women among the 100 …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 03:12 PM
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I suppose we can agree to disagree here, I If someone claims that 1 + 1 = 135788, then this is no difference in opinion but rather a delusion. You choose to ignore reality, so you are delusional not just simply of an differing opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:56 PM
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Your hours worked breakdown shows women work a few hours less total, but double the household and childcare related stuff The husband also does housework. In addition to the paid work he does, which overall means he does more work. Please learn to read statistics.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:52 PM
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I don't see how you can come to your conclusions based on the facts that I presented or what you want to express at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:41 PM
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I don't care about your incel women worship fantasies. I have simply stated the irrefutable facts. Accept them or not, it's your problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:35 PM
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Very true. Escort services are also not as deceptive.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:32 PM
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The fact that the housework is not “worth” as much IS the disadvantage. Thats my entire point. It is worth less because it is worth less. Your point is stupid. The man who works more and has all the financial burdens definitely doesn't benefit. Even if the wife does paid work, the husband (and father) has to work more: https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/FT_17.06.14_fathers_1965_2015.png Most money in a household is spent by the woman not the man. She cleans him out while he d…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:29 PM
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I addressed this claim. In addition, women are out for money even before the partnership is formed during dating, which undermines this claim. Read the studies on money and attractiveness / dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:21 PM
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I addressed this claim. In addition, women are out for money even before the partnership is formed during dating, which undermines this claim. Read the studies on money and attractiveness / dating success.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:16 PM
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Could be, but it's the other way around in the west: The household workday of full-time housewives fell by 7.5% to about 6.84 hours per day https://www.researchgate.net/publication/227597308\_A\_Comparison\_of\_the\_Household\_Work\_of\_Married\_Females\_The\_Mid-1920s\_and\_the\_Late\_1960s In comparison, full-time employed men work 8.4 hours per day (!): https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htm And the 8.4 hours are only …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:13 PM
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How can that be? It's called a statistical outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:11 PM
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Correct me if I’m wrong but I couldn’t see anything about families and children In fact, I already address that in the article: It is often said that the money provided by the male partner is used to raise children and that women's obsession with money is therefore justified. But reality paints a different picture, in fact the inverse is the case. Both globally and nationally, higher income is associated with lower number of children for families. [1] [2] This means that a middle-class woman wil…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:06 PM
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It's a completely one-sided relationship. Men do not benefit from divorce rape and providing for his "partner". Aside from that, 90% of all relationships are not male provider & female housewife. You seem to be living in the 1950s. And even in such relationships, the woman benefits from the fact that he fact that simple housework services are not worth half his income and assets; she is significantly less financially efficient than paying for maid. Even if you want to compare low-skill work like…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 02:01 PM
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Studies show that as soon as the husband no longer has enough money, the divorce comes. If she can no longer take advantage of him, there will be a divorce. That's why financial reasons are the main reason for divorce given by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:36 PM
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Most people end up marrying within their own socioeconomic class. Women marry upwards, often heavily upwards. This is not a fiction but cold reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:29 PM
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Modern marriage tends to be a transactional arrangement in which female attention is traded for male resources. The primary targets for these arrangements are men who could not gain female attention without paying money. The big problem with these arrangements is that their true nature is hidden. Men often don't understand that they only gain female attention because of the financial means they provide. There are only 12 women among the 100 wealthiest people on the planet and all of them have ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:27 PM
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The next step is to see that relationships bring a much deeper sense of satisfaction and value than any single tit for tat exchange ever could. Basically, a relationship is more than the sum of its parts. Maybe something women should keep in mind before engaging in their prostitution scam (commonly called marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:25 PM
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Also, The wife is less well off financially after marriage than she was in one. Which shows that she systematically benefits financially from the marriage. And divorce rape is about the 50+% split after marriage, not just alimony. The world is also not just the USA, in many countries the alimony is % higher
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:20 PM
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Men get half too. The partners woman chooses systematically have more money than they do. This means that the man pays and the woman benefits.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:16 PM
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You didn't understand my point, probably didn't read the article. It is women who place great value on money when it comes to marriage, not men. What you write here is sex neutral, the reality is that it is ONLY women for whom money is the main motive for finding a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:13 PM
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ll cheat or try to seek a divorce. And then gets divorced raped. 80% of all divorces are filed by the wife. The higher income partner is trapped in an abusive relationship because he will suffer extreme financial damage if he divorces his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/23 01:05 PM
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I want to have intellectual discussions about gender issues in this sub. Unfortunately, the average user here has a IQ well below 100 and all the threads are about dating. Maybe mods should make it so that this sub is not just a dating forum for incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/23 06:10 PM
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post with very little evidence to back up lol ok The graph you're using for your evidence very clearly states it's paid work. It is paid work AND childcare AND housework. Are you blind my dear? Please try not to let your wishful thinking cloud your keen judgement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:16 PM
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If 14% vs 3% of your demographic is reporting zero hours outside the home work it could absolutely skew the total hours overall. This is no "skew". Because what I am concerned with is the total hours overall. By the way, divorce splits money in favor of housewives with the dubious justification that women who stay at home and do all housework would be an equal contributing partner, that's obviously not the case as you can see yourself. Also your post is claiming a 7% difference total hours work …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 11:01 PM
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First of all, stay at home moms make up only 14,4 % of the statistic, they can't possibly "skew" anything by much. But that's irrelevant because it's about overall work, not just paid work. If a stay home mother dose only little work relative to her husband, then my original clam would still apply, that's no skew. I thank you anyway for your concerns. The graph you're pointing out for this is the average. An average is the statistical summary, in one value, of a group of numbers. Yes, very good.…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 10:13 PM
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Oh indeed what a blessing it would be.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:56 PM
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Skew the statistic? In what way? Whether you are a stay at home parent or not has no baring on my claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 09:48 PM
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Go talk to women in real life and talk to real life couples. That is exactly what such a poll does. Just not on an anecdotal basis but on a scientific one.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 07:25 PM
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You have a very poor reading comprehension. The do less child care but more overall work. Do you expect fathers to work 43 hours and mothers to work only 25 hours (wich is the current reality now) and fathers still do the same amount of household work? I guess, in your opinion, women shouldn't work at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:51 PM
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This is taken into account in the study. I wrote very few sentences. Is it really too much to ask to read them before you comment?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:40 PM
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I'm pretty sure most people agree that men work harder at work, but moms work harder at home Unfortunately not. At least that's not how it's presented in the media or on reddit. See stuff like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/Mommit/comments/w19138/\_/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 06:37 PM
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You know in America women who work the same amount as their husbands or even work more still do the majority of housework, childcare and planning? Typical malicious misinformation that can be found everywhere on reddit. Fathers work an average of 61 hours, mothers only 57 including housework and paid work. This means your examples is atypical. Men are exploited, women are the exploiters. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/fathers-day-facts/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/23 05:48 PM
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What a pointless thread. First of all, try to justify incel politics before you ask questions that assume that incel politics could be justified if only they would apply equally to both genders. Incel politics tries to regulate the dating market so that the losers of their respective gender get a partner. That is the basis of the "purity" concept. Try to justify the idea that some people can tell others how to live their lives just so that some dysgenic creatures can get a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/23 02:23 AM
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Marriage does not create stability. On the contrary, the institution promotes divorce and separation by creating a financial initiative to separate and take the man's money. 80% of all divorces are initiated by women.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:21 PM
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You can share you life without marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 03:10 PM
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it’s a bit rich to hand-wring about ‘disgusting exploitation.’ Why?: Modern marriage tends to be a transactional arrangement in which female attention is traded for male resources. The primary targets for these arrangements are men who could not gain female attention without paying money. The big problem with these arrangements is that their true nature is hidden. Men often don't understand that they only gain female attention because of the financial means they provide. There are only 12 women …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:27 PM
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I mean marriage. People have to constantly pay money to get the attention of others, there are hardly any people on the planet that don't do that. Women are fixated on money. See the following thread where I give empirical evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/z4gf4u/marriage\_is\_a\_form\_of\_prostitution/
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:13 PM
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I don't see why such disgusting exploitation is cool.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:08 PM
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You don't get my point. Being housewife is a cheap minimum wage job not worth the price of marriage unless the provider makes only minimum wage himself, so in almost all no cases. Let's say minimum wage is $7.25, then that would be the value of housework. Any provider who makes more than minimum wage would lose effective money if they shared their finances with the houseworker on a 50-50 basis. A provider who is making $20 an hour would be reduced to $13.63 if he marries a housewife, so his part…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 02:02 PM
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Household chores benefit both partners. Not just the man. This work can therefore only be credited as contribution to the marriage in half. You don't just work for him but also for your own household. Furthermore, this is minimum wage is type work. If someone were to make the costs benefit calculation, one would find that it is almost never worth entering into marriage for financial reasons as a provider. Your own contributions far outweigh that of your partner doing the housework.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:37 PM
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I hope your solution is not the egalitarian distribution of partners by the state. The reality is that most men are not supposed to procreate and have also not historically procreated. Almost every modern male person is a dysgenic caricature of a male. We need more and better selection, not distribution.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:28 PM
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Prostitution is illegal in most countries. And this prostitution is primarily about female attention not sex. And it's the most socially sanctioned option for such a transaction. Marriage also allows for the illusion that the exploitative lower income partner loves the richer partner and is not marrying just for their money. This illusion does not exist regrading prostitution.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 01:20 PM
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It is an existing norm and a form of prostitution. Money is exchanged for female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/03/23 12:53 PM
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Are you a rogue mod?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 03:06 AM
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Another one of those delusionary cope posts. Youth is a universal sign of beauty factor. Without exceptions: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51560719\_Why\_do\_we\_all\_want\_to\_be\_young\_and\_beautiful\_and\_women\_especially\_From\_the\_evolutionary\_psychological\_perspective
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 11:18 AM
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ends up benefitting us i.e particularly promiscuous males long term more than it does women Well not you bc you are an incel, hence you made this thread. All (almost) social norms are created by people at the bottom of dating hierarchy to gain advantages.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/23 10:33 AM
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Well, I think the "red pill" at its best is nothing but facts. Per definition.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 03:01 PM
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"truth" won't matter and shouldn't matter That's how most people think, no question. Even if they are not aware of it. Of course, you can never defend your unfactual belief system against any other unfactual belief system.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:38 PM
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women's fears of being discarded for younger partners and/or not being accepted as partners after certain ages as support for your claims Yeah, that's not how it works. I have only refuted these comments, not used them as a support. I don't want to argue any further. But just out of interest, you know that these women in this thread (https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/x3z0vm/the\_whole\_leonardo\_dicaprio\_thing\_especially\_the/) are heavily coping right? And this (delusional) co…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 02:02 PM
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But there's less men who find them more attractive for relationships, as evidenced by the 5-6 comments you posted from men Anecdotal comments are not evidence. Also, as we are discussing whether these comments are true or not, listing it as evidence in its context is circular argumentation. but maybe 60% of older men would actually want a LTR or marriage with a 20 year old woman. That seems to be just speculation. normally the protagonist is portrayed as a very young man himself, almost always s…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 01:08 PM
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None of my sources are illegitimate or cherry-picked. If you were familiar with this subject, you would know that there aren't many studies to "cherry-pick" from. This is a niche topic with not a lot of studies. Actually, I think there isn't a single study that refutes what I said there.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:30 PM
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I'm not sure what you want to debate with me. There are without question happy casual relationships. I don't want to debate something like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:15 PM
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I think you didn't read my article properly. Men not only state preferences for younger women, but also try to achieve relationships with them: In summary, the following can be said: Almost all men prefer younger partners, so this is not an abnormal preference. Even old men still prefer younger partners. These preferences seemed to be universal. Men make these preferences a reality if they have the opportunity to do so. Partners with larger age gaps are happier together. If you look at male focu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:09 PM
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Relationship success is not the same as relationship happiness. Relationship success simply means the duration of the relationship. But that was not a central point of my thesis anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 12:02 PM
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Yes and? Seems like a true statement to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 11:45 AM
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Truth has value when other people acknowledge it as truth. Truth has less value when it's not what people want to hear, so they plug their ears and insist only their own beliefs are true. Exactly my impression. Can you give me a concrete example where I allegedly did this myself?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/23 11:40 AM
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So death is preferable to being alive? Your "Kantian ethics" seems quite evil. All the stuff you femcels invent simply to justify your jealousy...
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/22 10:11 AM
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So to summarize: Do nothing and let the woman die - a neutral action. Suggest a service from the woman in exchange for resources and thus prevent her death - a evil action. You have converted me to your new and most innovative school of philosophy. I will call this school "magnus stultus" and from now on I will be your greatest student.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:23 AM
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The suitor doing nothing is fine, neutral. The suitor seeking out people to take advantage of is wrong. So it's better to let the woman die, got it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:11 AM
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The suitor also has to choice to freely donate without any expectation of sex to people in need but of course that’s not happening Interesting. Say, do you give away all your money? Do you own luxury goods? Maybe a useless extra pair of shoes, chairs or some candy? You don't need any of that to survive. You could donate all your excess money and save lives. But you don't do that, do you? Are you also a scummy and bad person? Are your shoes more important than human live to you? And if so, why do…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 04:05 AM
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Nothing weird about it at all. You seem to think sex work is worse than death. I wonder if you would think the same way if you were in such a situation. Rather die than work in a sweatshop or as a sex worker, think about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:49 AM
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The suitor who saves the starving woman from starvation does more good for the world than you do, same with the sweatshop owner. Your foolish morality doesn't save lives, on the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:40 AM
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Coercions by whom? The suitor is not responsible for starvation. He offers only a way out. If he wasn't there, she wouldn't have a choice and would just die. And in reality, of course, there are no starving prostitutes, no customer would buy a half-dead skeleton with a bloated stomach.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 03:31 AM
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I don't know how many times he paid for sex, I only pointed out one incident. Maybe just something he did at the beginning and didn't need it later.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:06 AM
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assume that the women are actually freely consenting and statistically, she probably isn’t. Based on what statistics? And Mr. Rich doesn't interact with prostitutes but just with random women he meets along the way.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:52 AM
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a decision between putting food on the plate tomorrow or starving vs having flashy things; obviously displays various degrees of freedom Belarus is not a poor country suffering from starvation. But if it were so, the theoretical sex tourist would save the woman from starvation. From a harm based perspective, Mr. Rich's actions would then be even more strongly beneficial. Forced sex service would of course be a different story.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:33 AM
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I assume you agree with this comment then: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/zjhbiy/benjamin\_rich\_bald\_and\_bankrupt\_did\_nothing\_wrong/izuyi2y/?context=3
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:22 AM
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I don't think that Mr. Rich is unattractive but agree with the rest.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 01:11 AM
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This sub's whole dating obsession is laughable. Men are oppressed in the west, complain about this fact instead of seeking opportunities to date your oppressors.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/22 11:25 PM
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Housework, bills, planning, cooking, organising, finances, etc. I could argue further but I think that's enough for now. You can read the following study for a fact-based insight into the benefits or rather lack of benefits related to housework which female partners provide to their male partner: https://repec.iza.org/dp10740.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 11:24 PM
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and the woman has to pick up where the guy slacks. Pick-up what?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:57 PM
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Please give me an example where "one partner puts their life on hold to support the other" without children being involved. I believe this is just a fictional idea you made up to justify common law marriage. Surely the coexistence of two adults doesn't automatically mean that one puts his life on hold.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:31 PM
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one partner puts their life on hold to support the other. How is that supposed to work? Please give me an example (with no children involved). The "being together without living together" Something like that doesn't work.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:14 PM
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Statistically speaking, it's much more common for a financially dependent partner to be abused, than for them to be the abuser. Well this is definitely not the case: "Females’ income is not independently related to experiencing IPV either for females or males. Females and males experience a higher rate of IPV when the husband earns a low income." https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0886260517719541 So it's easier to shrug off breaking up as "whatever, it wasn't that serious or committed…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 10:11 PM
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Ok, sorry for the misinterpretation.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 09:58 PM
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Child support and marriage are two completely different issues. And common law marriage statutes also apply without the existence of children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 09:56 PM
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take responsibility for anything. Take responsibility for what? Why do I have to pay something when I'm with another person? Isn't sex mutual? Do you admit that marriage is just one big prostitution scheme?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:42 PM
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Not being forced into marriage and not being subjected to legal theft.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:30 PM
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That's plenty of time to think things through. By comparison, I've left relationships in 5 minutes. Even if that is so, it still doesn't reflect the positive of marriage. As a gf and bf, you can quickly separate but at the same time get back together quickly too. A divorce within the context of marriage is usually more absolute. Ultimately there is no difference in "conscious reflection" time, bf and gf can reflect as long as they want. And the post-divorce legal dispute usually generates more b…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:28 PM
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Sorry, I don't see any pros for men in this scenario. It seems to me that you and society at large simply don't want to concede basic human dignity to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 06:04 PM
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The process of going through a divorce takes time and forces conscious reflection. An uncontested divorce can be finalized in no time. Only the process of tearing apart the property (usually of the husband) takes time. You don't want to tell me that if it comes to the point that property claims are made, then the partners will reconsider the divorce while there tearing themselves apart? The reality is that in the West there are no-fault divorces. Partners can separate at any time. The only thing…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:43 PM
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So men can only have property rights and the freedom to choose whether they want to be married or not IF they live separately from their partner forever. Very nice contempt for basic humanity.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 01:08 PM
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What does this mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:32 PM
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You don't have to get married if you don't want to. Nobody is forcing you. The sad reality is that this is not true. In many countries men are forced into marriage. So-called common law marriages often give the partners in question no choice. Unfortunately, basic rights such as the right to freely organize one's life and basic property rights do not exist for many men.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:21 PM
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commitment = paying cash A woman who only stays with you bc you pay her is not a good woman. On the contrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:07 PM
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It makes it even easier to leave How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:04 PM
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But I definitely don't agree that there is 0 reason to get married if the man wants to have children and create a stable family for them with the woman. A man can have children without marriage. Marriage will not magically make the children grow up any better. It's just a piece of paper.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:03 PM
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refuse to commit to them. I.e. become a "provider" (paypig) to pay for the great privilege of being with her. Stay away from such gold diggers. avoiding marriage wont protect your assets. Due to a little something called common law marriage laws. The sheer viciousness and heartlessness behind that cold statement. Men don't have real property rights in some countries and that's just simply uncritically stated. We're talking about legalized thievery here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/12/22 12:00 PM
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True, this whole obsession with dating is highly toxic. However, the real priority of awakened men should be to expose the misandrian plot being pursued by simps and various feminists. A truth-seeking movement cannot be silent as long as things like quotas for women and fraudulent exploitation through marriage exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 08:21 PM
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It's a positive movement that will help to disrupt dysgenic societal trends.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 05:01 PM
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Pushing boundaries is rapey, asshole behavior and I’m grateful not all men are like that. How can "pushing boundaries" be compared to rape? Say, are you forced to stick with the boundaries pushing bf? If he does something as bad as rape to you, then why are you hanging out with him? Does he not only rape you but also kidnap you? Or do you, as a woman, just not have any agency and willpower to say "no"? Completely deranged.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:34 PM
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It’s not insecure to expect your boyfriend to not be seeking sexual gratification from other women, but it is If you are not willing to please your man sexually how can you expect him to remain faithful to you? This is the typical completely unreasonable modern Feminist babble. Should he just suppress his sexual urges and be constantly frustrated? And you think that's normal and not abusive?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/22 01:10 PM
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The whole "nice guy" thing is just incel cope. You know what you're looking for in a man. It is genetically instilled into you. It's a way for low T males to discourage women from following their biological inclinations and choose a beta provider (paypig) instead of an actually attractive male.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/22 12:10 AM
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So they're fetching the highest prices. I don't think men are "fetching the highest prices". The whole marriage business seems to me to be very one-sided.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 02:58 PM
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Calling something a virtue for something you're wired to want seems nonsensical. It doesn't take much courage to simply...be born with a want and then go for it. Very well put. And that could be said about many things and situations.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 04:35 AM
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Is whoever has more value. That's not how business works. The customer who wants to buy bread from the baker with his money does not bring less value than the baker but the same value, otherwise the transaction would not take place. But that's not a good analogy anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/22 04:13 AM
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I’ve already proven that the vast majority of men would prefer to be the breadwinner lol your own study has stated exactly the opposite.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 11:48 PM
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Women aren’t “dating based on money” because they have a preference for higher earning men. Ok. You haven’t been saying some women you’ve been saying all women I did say some women, but it's probably mostly women if you believe the studies (which I do.) It ALSO makes sense to only have few children so you direct all your resources on one or two children Complete childlessness is also more common for high income women so that doesn't seem to make any sense. Children really don't seem to be a moti…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:52 PM
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What kind of drivel ist this?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:39 PM
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This is true. But it is very interesting to know who is the buyer and who is the seller.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:36 PM
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Obviously - are you seriously saying if one partner earns $1 more, the other one is a whore?? Anyone who is getting married for "financial" reasons and is looking for a "provider" falls into this category. Also many of these women who have similar incomes want to secure a husband as a financial security. Only 3% of all alimony goes to the ex-husband, which shows the extend to which women benefit from marriage. “whore duties” There is no such thing, marriage doesn't burden the lesser income perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:35 PM
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If all women are “blood suckers” why are 30% of married women with men that make less than them ? I'm only talking about the gold digger women. There are many reasons to get married, for example to get citizenship. Men can also sometimes lose income during marriage, even if they were the main earners in the beginning. Women are not “bloodsuckers” because they understand most men are intimidated by a high earning educated women It's just not true. The studies all clearly show that women are datin…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:15 PM
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"entirely economically dependent " means unemployed. to investigating the relationship between wife's relative income and husband's psychological distress, and finds it to be significantly U-shaped. U-shaped means that the husband is most stressed when he is the only or main breadwinner and is also most stressed when he earns significantly less than his wife or is unemployed. It's a mixed finding. And if you average these results, you get this result: https://money.com/couples-marriage-money-sur…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 09:09 PM
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Just with some common sense one can find out that it is impossible for partners to earn the same at such a high rate. It's just too unlikely that these women have the same income as their husbands. Somebody has to earn at least a little more. Your article rounded things off, without question. My point was that paying your own mortgage is not “paying the woman”. The man is benefitting from living in the house just the same as the woman, unless you aren’t living with her (as is the case with a pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 08:42 PM
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High rejection seems to be the norm in speed dating. How illuminating! Is the norm in any form of dating without exception. Women are always very choosy and as I have demonstrated choosy strongly based on height. All of your studies on the slight, albeit statistically significant preference (not requirement) It's a very strong preference but whatever, we need all a way of coping, I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 08:07 PM
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Men don't naturally provide for their family. In hunter and gather societies women did alle the cooking and other domestic things, they were also responsible for looking after the children and they collected materials and fruits and wild vegetables AND hunted small animals. In short they have done almost everything. Read this article for more insight: https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/history-culture/2016/03/hunter-gatherer-men-not-the-selfless-providers-we-thought/ The idea that ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:51 PM
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Well at least something we agree on. But please remember, whenever there is a buyer, there is also a seller (the prostitute).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:34 PM
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No relative height cohort got less than a 60% rejection rate. And how does that make your wrong statement right? To deny that women have a strong height preference is quite a delusion. And this result is validated in all studies, I believe there is no single study (with large enough sample size) that contradicts this result. But what ever. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:32 PM
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This data is wrong. Here is official data based on the Bureau of Labor Statistics: https://www.self.inc/blog/cities-where-women-outearn-husbands . If a wife gives birth to his kids he benefits by reproducing his genes, and him providing the best life he can to them is just as beneficial to himself as it is to her. At no point is the man “losing” anything by providing for his own family. As I have already sad three times, the money that the husband "provides" does not motivate the woman to give h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:22 PM
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It’s when the wife makes MORE THAN 40% NOT WHEN THE MAN IS UNEMPLOYED. Please learn how to read " ​ ... to reach highest level when men are entirely economically dependent on their wives. ok.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:11 PM
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Being concerned about your partners wealth and income doesn’t make you a gold digger what an idiotic thing to say. Would you marry a homeless woman ? Why tie yourself financially to someone who is going to be a liability ​ Furthermore, studies clearly show that the richer a woman herself is, the more money she expects her potential husband to make. If the woman is already rich, why would she need an even richer partner? This is consistent with the client/prostitute relationship model, marrying h…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:09 PM
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Yes, when women want to start a family with a partner I already answered that, in my thread (which you didn't read) and in this comment (which you didn't read either): https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/z4gf4u/comment/ixqz00e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 Read the last two paragraphs. You also refuse to respond about the 50% of marriages where the man doesn’t earn more? 50% is not an insignificant number to just discount. This is just a fictitious number.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 07:00 PM
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I don't follow the logic at all. But whatever. Let's hope that in the future women will give up their parasite lives and start their own companies and apply for patents etc instead of sucking men dry.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:55 PM
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There's a lot of privilege in their early lives. Sure, and none of them are as privileged as women who have obtained wealth through their husband's work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:44 PM
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https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/09/20/americans-see-men-as-the-financial-providers-even-as-womens-contributions-grow/ That contradicts nothing of what I said. I know there's an expectation for male "providers", I said so myself in my OP: A staggering 75.8% of all women surveyed cited money related considerations as the sole or partial reason given as a prerequisite for marriage. The male in the relationship is typically expected to pay money to his female partner: First, it was more c…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:39 PM
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Very misleading, because if a man has no income, he is not a house husband, but simply unemployed and therefore has more stress. Interestingly, the relationship between wife's relative income and husband's psychological distress is not found among couples where wives outearned husbands at the beginning of their marriage pointing to importance of marital selection. Totally in line with the results of my study, read the full article if you are interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:31 PM
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Taller men also have a high rejection rate in your single speed-dating study. That's wrong again, see Figure 4. of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:27 PM
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I've already addressed all of these points, I won't repeat myself again. The fact is that money is a key factor in women's choice of mate, they are looking for a man to raise their standard of living. The man only loses through a marriage contract, so it's a unilateral "payment". She would not be standing next to him wouldn't he be "providing" for her, that's the fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:20 PM
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There's nothing masculine about being a beta provider.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:09 PM
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Yes it is a big danger for the marriage "provider" model isn't it?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:07 PM
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upwards of 30% It's lower than 30% actually. If I'm not mistaken, it's currently 28%, which means ~70% of all women marry richer partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:03 PM
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women want a man taller than them and most men are, on average, taller. It's quite simple. The data clearly shows much greater dating success for taller (more than averagely tall) men. Average tall men have a high rejection rate. I don't know what else I can say. You are simply wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 06:01 PM
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I could just as easily say that women don’t marry men poorer than them because men show a high degree of insecurity and psychological distress when their wife out earns them. Most men when surveyed show they prefer to be the breadwinner The opposite is the case, see the lower section of my thread, I address exactly this claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:56 PM
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I don't care about your anecdotal situation, not in the slightest. Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:49 PM
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I hope you understand that sex-worker also gets sex (and attention) from her client. I assume according to your logic prostitution is then no prostitution bc both get sex. But in reality the point is that it is prostitution because the sex-worker only gives sex to the man because he pays for it, just as many women would only marry their husband if he "provided" money for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:48 PM
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You are extrapolating conclusions that don’t exist. The reason higher earning women have a harder time finding a partner is because men are not attracted to women that earn more than them. Oh, If only someone had read what I had written: It is also often claimed that men who are not the breadwinner in the relationship become insecure and that is why divorces happen. But that's not true. First of all, it must be stated that most divorces are not initiated by the husband but by the wife. Furthermo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:39 PM
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Quote from the study: Thus, both analyses showed that women had a stronger preference than men, and that the link between preference and choice was stronger in women than in men This reflects our finding that the male-preferred height range was, on average, larger than thefemale-preferred height range
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:37 PM
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We just don’t want to support deadbeats. Then why do women strongly preferer richer man then themselves? Will the millionaire men suddenly become a "deadbeat" when you're a billionaire yourself? Your statement is not in agreement with the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:30 PM
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I don't cherry pick anything? What do you think is wrong with what I said? That rich women have fewer children? Just show me one study that says the opposite, just one. Women are obsessed with money when it comes to dating, I could have listed a hundred more studies with these same results.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:22 PM
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I can tell you this right now women don't go around bragging on the internet about their happy relationships. I know reddit is has a "special" population. The problem is that many redditors don't understand this and therefore have a completely twisted perspective of reality. This is the echo chamber effect at work.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:17 PM
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People aren’t studies. These studies merely reflect reality and to this extend reflect authentic human behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:14 PM
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What you say is wrong. The study found that men hardly care for height and prefer average women. Plus your point is irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:12 PM
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Yes, like I said, you went into great length about finances. But I saw no mention of buying or selling sex, which is what “prostitution” means. It's not so much about sex as it is about female attention. I think to say that marriage is a long-term escort service arrangement would be more accurate to say, but I wanted the more flashy headline. Do you think a business partnership is prostitution also? This is not comparable we are talking about a relationship which is primarily based on the exploi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 05:07 PM
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The point of the high studies is that women reject less taller men (and we're not talking midgets here) at a very high rate (~90%). This is not compatible with the statement that height does not matter. If height played only a minor role or none at all, there would not be such large rates of decline. To produce a 90% reject rate, height would need to be more important than almost all other factors (personality, face morphology, and so on).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:58 PM
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Perhaps you should open your eyes to the fact that women work these days and aren’t demanding to be provided for. The studies I have shown clearly proof that in regards to dating (and separations) money is one of the main factors for women. You can deny it but that's the reality. And the word "provider" is just a sneaky word for client or paypig: It is often said that the money provided by the male partner is used to raise children and that women's obsession with money is therefore justified. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:52 PM
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And how do you determine who is the buyer and seller? Women care a lot about their partner's financial situation and try to marry rich partners, I explained this in detail in my thread. If one partner earns $50,000 and the other earns only $20,000, the low-earning partner wins $15,000 and the high earning partner loses $15,000 in case do to a merger of finances. (50,000 + 20,000) / 2 = 35,000 for each. This is a one-way money transfer and does not even include alimony. It's not so much about sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:45 PM
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I don't know if you're specifically lying, but lying is undoubtedly a common phenomenon. Regardless, what you said here is only anecdotal in nature and therefore worthless in contrast to the scientific studies I've presented.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:31 PM
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This is not a rebuttal from my source. It only gives some examples of inherited wealth. The point is that most women gain wealth through relationship's with men, the same cannot be said about men. There are hardly any female self-made billionaires, the opposite is true for men. In the overall female billionaire cohort, 16.9% of billionaires are "self-made" and 53.5% gained their wealth through a combination of inheritance and "self-made" wealth as of 2017. Contrast with all billionaires: There a…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:26 PM
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It's typical on reddit for people who claim to be atypical to comment under threads like this. I made a whole thread just about this topic: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/yex3aw/men\_on\_reddit\_are\_being\_systematically\_disinformed/ The example was that women very often comment on reddit that they don't care about the height of their potential partner. But as I have proved, the opposite is actually the case. This shows that such anecdotal comments are not worth much. The s…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:18 PM
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I think I made my point clear enough. If you don't understand simple English I can't help you.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:11 PM
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Most of the wealthiest men in the world inherited their wealth or were given upbringings that allowed them to increase generational wealth. And this is also misleading: 9 of the 10 Richest People in the World Are Self-Made Entrepreneurs https://fee.org/articles/what-9-of-the-10-richest-people-in-the-world-have-in-common/
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:10 PM
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So, okay, say your extremely long premise is right and marriage is a form of prostitution. Who cares? How does this change anything? Are you advocating against marriage as an institution, or for prostitution as an institution? lol Your question could easily be answered if you actually read the text: The big problem with these arrangements is that their true nature is hidden. Men often don't understand that they only gain female attention because of the financial means they provide. There are onl…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 04:06 PM
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I think most people get married because they think they have to and wouldn't get married otherwise. They getting married for financial reasons, as the evidence I present clearly shows. At least read the thread before you comment.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:51 PM
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Masculinity is not a social construct but a biological reality. Lack of masculinity is a function of biological (mostly chemical) variables, not bad behavior on the part of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/22 03:28 PM
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The fact is men and women are different and as such they are looking for different things in a relationship. Yes, to be precise, women are looking for money. I will soon do a whole thread on this topic , look forward to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 05:14 PM
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I love this comment. An open admission that marriage is just a big prostitution scheme.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/11/22 11:35 AM
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Statistically women have worse financial outcomes in divorces as well, I can link a study if you’re curious. Because they lose the main moneymaker they parasitized on. And this money provider loses half of his assets thanks to the fact that he has provided for his wife + alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 05:06 PM
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and if my partner offered it, I'd wonder why he was going to such great lengths to avoid marrying me. Maybe because 1 in 2 marriages fails. 80% of all divorces are initiated by women and these women are almost always the beneficiaries of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/22 08:56 AM
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If you read the actual study, you'll find that women with older male partners also report higher relationship satisfaction (based on Table 1): Satisfaction Level: Woman-older partners 7.93 Woman-younger partners 7.33 Similarly aged partners 6.76 I don't think much of the study you mentioned because your numbers are based on married partners. And in my humble opinion, marriages are nothing but extensive prostitution schemes.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 03:23 AM
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and less relationship satisfaction overall but I dismissed that as its not important to the overall point. The opposite is the case I have named all my sources you can check for yourself. DiCaprio is not typical in the west, even among his peers. Right, because he has the opportunity to do so. Most men can't find an young and attractive woman, let alone swap every few years. I think in a natural environment he would be polygamous not serial monogamous.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 04:27 PM
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Read section B again. You misunderstand the facts.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 03:17 PM
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And with the pandemic more and more people have come to a new appreciation of socializing in the real world. The opposite is the case: https://wearesocial.com/uk/blog/2022/01/digital-2022-another-year-of-bumper-growth-2/
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:50 PM
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Do you really think internet usage time will not increase? It seems obvious to me that people's lives will increasingly take place in the digital world. Physical stores will disappear and people will only shop online. Work will become more and more based on the home office model and some people will no longer leave their homes at all, I think that is an inevitable future.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 02:33 PM
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Yes you are right. I didn't pay any attention to time zones.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:11 AM
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Well I'm learning that big texts aren't read. Everything has to be kept brief so as not to overwhelm the tiny attention span of today's society.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/11/22 11:00 AM
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If you have conflicting factual information, feel free to submit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 05:25 PM
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Bye.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:41 PM
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You're just the type of delusional redditor I was talking about in my OP. The author is not a dating coach, he is not interested in speed dating, extrapolating is the purpose of the study.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:30 PM
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Please tell me you understand that it’s more? I said main deciding factor, not the only deciding factor. And those are the facts, accept them or stay delusional.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:25 PM
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to not extrapolate the results beyond the limits of the research. The whole point of this study is to extrapolate the results beyond the limits of the research. The author has no interest in speed dating per se but tries to understand human mating behavior in an evolutionary framework.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:39 PM
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It's shocking how poor the reading comprehension skills of some people are. And I thought I wrote it all in simple English.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:24 PM
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What you quote here describes settling behavior. Obviously, women wouldn't want to sleep with short men. There is only a limited number of tall men, but different women can sleep with the same man several times (and they do). It's only when it comes to settling down and extracting beta money that they would get involved with short men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 02:12 PM
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Thank you kind stranger. The "blue pill posters" are far removed from any data-based thinking. In fact, almost every narrative that exists in the West is ridiculously wrong. I sometimes think I got caught in a episode of the Twilight Zone when I consider how absurd our world is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 03:22 AM
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You're all hypocrites and boo hoo hoo cry more. I'm not a hypocrite, I'm just uncovering the truth. All dating is based on evolutionary urges. Ugly people who are rejected are usually salty, they feel entitled to opposite sex attention. However, there are big differences in how society reacts to this. Watch this insane video and tell me with sincerity that the media would treat male insecurities like they treat female insecurities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRC6QFPXeuI The reality is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:21 AM
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Not what the facts say. Here is a direct quote from the study: Thus, both analyses showed that women had a stronger preference than men, and that the link between preference and choice was stronger in women than in men. [...] Female height did, however, influence their desirability: women of average height were most desired during speed dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/22 01:05 AM
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Short men getting dates disprove your entire premise. No, it doesn't because my premise was not that short men don't get any dates. I have only stated that external characteristics, such as height, are the main deciding factor regarding dating. And like I said, anyone who pays can get a date, that's the point of marriage. No rational person writes away more than 50% of his assets without expecting anything in return (i.e. female attention).
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 09:12 PM
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Sorry, but I'm not interested in the dating life of short men. All besides the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:46 PM
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I think you're just trying to protect short guys' feelings. The difference in earnings between tall and short guys isn't that big, so your idea will not work out statistically. Purely from an mathematic perspective it's very clear that height is the main deciding factor in the study, not income.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:32 PM
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Fair enough point. But I don't talk about advice subs in my OP. Here's an example of the hateful rhetoric I'm talking about, and stuff like that is all over Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/smallbooblove/comments/g9nj2l/why_do_men_feel_the_need_to_express_their_opinion/foul7hn/?context=3 I don't think the person who wrote this just wants to protect the feelings of others.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:21 PM
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Speed dating doesn’t indicate what happens in real life. I’m saying IN REAL LIFE women would go for taller men for money — after all, those men are tall and have money — rather than short men, who are less likely to make as much money and are also short. RL women always go for the guys with money, but they prefer tall ones over small ones. Then what’s your investment in this topic? You just want to prove to short men you have it better than them…? To shed light on misinformation and to disprove …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 08:05 PM
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Women who want money would seek taller men, given that taller men make more money. And? At the speed dating event, no details of income were given and I doubt that the first thing that came up in these short conversations was money. Are you yourself short? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 07:44 PM
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Why wouldn't that add up? Ridiculous thinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 07:35 PM
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Look at marriage rates. Many short men manage to get married, don’t they? Marriage is the transfer of wealth from men to women. Off course short guys get women, they pay for them after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 07:27 PM
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Dude both sexes do that. That's correct. But not to the same proportions and to different levels of success. Here on reddit, the anti-male side and anti-male biased disinformation is rampant.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 07:15 PM
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Probably not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 06:34 PM
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Women claim that men are" shallow" and that they themselves care primary about character traits not "superficial" things. This helps to put women in a better light and is also used to shame men when they discriminate based on physical features in dating. If you surf reddit with your eyes wide open you will see women shaming men for their preferences all over the place, this is not a conspiracy but easily visible reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 06:33 PM
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Why would it be in women's best interest to tell short guys it's not hopeless? What do they benefit from that exactly? A narrative is constructed that shames men for having physical preferences. Women don't want men to be selective, that's their interest. The narrative is upheld by claiming that women do not focus on physical characteristics and therefore do not objectify, while men are shallow pigs.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 06:06 PM
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Women make statements that are not true and I have given statistical evidence that proves that these statements are not true. Where is my mistake in reasoning? Do you think reddit is full of the women who are part of the 10% who don't care about height (ie ugly women who have no other choice)? Even if that were the case and women didn't care about height, they still make false statements by saying that women don't generally care about height. For example, this comment implies that women generall…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:54 PM
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There wouldn't be pussyhat marches by millions of people if that were actually common knowledge.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:47 PM
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Anecdotal evidence vs statistical facts. In addition, it was a speed dating event. Participating parties could not simply offer money like normally works in your examples.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:42 PM
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The point is that women lie about it. The UK, for example, banned all advertisements depicting sexualizing images. The reason for this is alleged objectification. Laws are created that criminalize male sexuality because men are accused of objectification. This notion of objectification is based on misinformation distributed on platforms like reddit. It is claimed that men objectify and are therefore sexist and that women do not do this. I'm trying to disprove this assertion.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:22 PM
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The point is that women on reddit are spreading misinformation. I'm not interested in the dating success of short guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:10 PM
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Short guys know its harder for them. They aren't toddlers, they don't need to be told. Most redditors are completely naive and have a "believe all women" mindset. You're probably most of the time in "redpilled" echo chamber subs and thus you have this impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/10/22 05:08 PM
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Well, actually I do. It's called envy and the fear of being replaced by a younger girl in old age.
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/22 12:37 AM
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Why not?
/r/EverydayMisandry20/10/22 12:13 AM
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But you get to decide this? If feminists claim we live in a patriarchal world then that's a legitimate claim, but if anti-feminists deny it then that's not legitimate? So everyone who has a different point of view should shut up? That's not in the spirit of this sub, which was created for debate, not feminist dictation.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 07:17 AM
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My " lived experiences" unfortunately tell me a differed story. I hope you don't want to deny these experiences, would be cringe.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/22 06:56 AM
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The person wouldn’t be poor in the first place if we didn’t live in a capitalist society with private property rights Your social criticism is irrelevant. You labeled a certain action that saved a person's life as rape and slavery. If this is true then your non-acting is murder. You let the person die instead of giving them a chance out. Even if your political ideas could magically eliminate all poverty in the world, your inaction is still objectively worse than the actions of the rapists and sl…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 04:21 PM
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You don't seem to understand my line of reasoning. If it's rape to trade with a poor person's sex for money, isn't it worse to let the person die? Aren't you even worse than the suitor if you let other people die? Surely death is worse than unwanted work? These kinds of issues are at a collective level, and probably need full-blown political revolutions to fix. The suitor is an individual person. If he is responsible as an individual for his deeds (rape), you are also responsible as an individua…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 04:06 PM
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Sure whatever, we live in a bad world. But you're even worse than the slaving ice cream dealer and hooker customer, because you let the people starve instead of giving them a way out. Monster.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:53 PM
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Why are they poor in the first place is the more important question? Not because of the imagined suitor or ice cream parlor dealer, that much I can tell you. You try to find excuses to avoid appearing as a hypocrite. But YOU can already save lives. Give up all your excess property, live like a monk, and you can save maybe a hundred of souls from the starvation. If you don't do it you are even worse than the rapist and slaver, you are a murderer.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:37 PM
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I also hope that you follow your own ideology, let's not be hypocritical. Because if offering a job to a poor person is exploitation and slavery, how terrible must be the crime of letting the poor person die without giving this person a way out? Death is worse than slavery, if the poor person would not agree with this statement they would choose death over the job offer. If you own private property (like your PC or mobile phone) and don't sell it and give it to the poor, you're even worse than t…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:22 PM
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Sure, we live in a slave and rape society. Such an extreme point of view of course means that real rape and slavery are downplayed. In reality, poor people are happy when they have a job opportunity. The poor are helped when they have an alternative to starvation and extreme poverty. The opportunity giver is apricated because without his offer there would only be doom.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 03:11 PM
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Are you a slaver or at least a beneficiary of slavery? Because everyone who benefits from the work of others is a slayer according to this logic. If an ice cream parlor hires someone who had no other job prospects and without the job would end up in poverty, is the ice cream parlor a slaver? The hired one can't refuse to work if he literally needs to do it to survive, so it doesn't meet the criteria required for consent, he lacks the ability to opt-out of work he doesn't want. ​ Just because you…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 02:49 PM
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A deranged point of view, as I said. You're talking about non-compulsory transactions. Depends, are the prostitutes going to fall into poverty and starvation if they don’t have sex, or do they have other employment options? Then they are rescued by their suitors, not raped. Because she would fall into poverty and starvation if he would not give her money in exchange for her service.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 12:32 PM
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If women are only having sex with men due to being dependent on them for resources, that IS rape, since if they refuse mating, they die from lack of access to those resources. So all prostitutes are rape victims? What a deranged point of view.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 11:04 AM
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Quite right. But your solution would not be sustainable. Men who think like this don't spread their genes. Only the men who are "simping" and thus gain female attention have offspring. In order for your solution to be sustainable you would need to promote sperm donation for the men who don't care about female attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 09:08 AM
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All the transactional things you mentioned are negligible. Marriage is by far the most common way in which female attention is exchanged for money.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/08/22 08:49 AM
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Besides, you have no reason to be pessimistic. If societal messages now take a feminist direction, future generations of women will stop thinking in sexually dimorphic ways, right? If everything is just a social phenomenon then every gen z woman will have no gendered desires. lol of course that is not the case and no one really believes that.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:37 PM
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How much sexual desire you feel is irrelevant. Studies are based on averages not individual cases. And I would argue the findings of the study you linked could very well be tied to women not feeling as comfortable revealing how sexual they are No, you didn't read the study, it's not just based on self-reports. There is so much mixed in that you can’t boil everything down to purely genetics or evolutionary biology. Sure, things like malnutrition and lead poisoning have their influences, but that'…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:24 PM
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. I think I’ve always been told that men are constantly horny, they’re always trying to initiate sex, men don’t like overly aggressive women I doubt anyone actually said that to you, but it's true: "The sex drive refers to the strength of sexual motivation. Across many different studies and measures, men have been shown to have more frequent and more intense sexual desires than women, as reflected in spontaneous thoughts about sex, frequency and variety of sexual fantasies, desired frequency of …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 07:09 PM
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I have it societally ingrained in me that if a man is not actively pursuing sex (despite me also not aggressively initiating) that I must not be desirable. I’m working on that because I don’t want to be a partner that never makes their man feel desired because I expect them to read my mind when I’m horny and always initiate. It's biologically ingrained, not societally ingrained. Society is full of feminist messages. Media, schools and governments tell you to be a career woman, assertive, strong …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/22 06:47 PM
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Notions of justice in any context is a ridiculous concept. We are robots made of flesh. We are born with our looks but also with our personality. Everything is genetic as twin studies clearly show. But even if it weren't so and we existed without fixed personalities, the environment would be responsible for our personalities, something that we can't control either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/22 11:48 AM
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Sure, but if it was counted in its own category, it wouldn't have simultaneously be counted in the free time category.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/22 08:39 AM
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That's because the report you read doesn't count certain activities as free time. Women, for example, take significantly more time for self-grooming than men and that probably wasn't counted as free time in your report.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 02:32 AM
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in general a man does not pull his equal weight at home This is incorrect: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/fathers-day-facts/ Men work a total of 61 hours per week (domestic work and paid work combined) and women only work 57 hours per week.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/22 12:41 AM
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https://www.apa.org/pi/about/newsletter/2016/10/redefining-masculinity
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 10:01 PM
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Then you don't understand what a beta provider is. They didn’t even mention looks. Work on your dyslexia.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 09:58 PM
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Women are married to men for their money not for their attractiveness. See this thread for more info: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/w3u4jb/both\_men\_and\_women\_in\_normal\_society\_acknowledge/
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 05:16 AM
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I always find it horrible when people deny obvious truths. Of course men are treated worse when they show emotion. Even feminists complain about it and call it "toxic masculinity". And now it is denied for tactical reasons, to win a discussion. Horrible deceitful behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:53 AM
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Very true. Jealousy is the driving force of the entire feminist and incel movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:23 AM
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good enough to be played and used. You mean invited to completely voluntary sex?
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/22 04:10 AM
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I know you won't understand this but this is not a debatable issue. Facts are facts, the salary data is recorded and can be viewed, you can find out imperatively whether an unfair wage gap exists or not, but I'm wasting my time.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 10:11 PM
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It’s not misinformation, there are mountains of evidence on both sides of the debate. Unfortunately, that is wrong. The wage gap, for example, does not exist. Read the article I shared it breaks the issue down well. Women do not get unequal pay for the same work, there is no empirical work that would suggest such a thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:23 PM
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They don't: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-20/couple-with-a-larger-age-gap-happier/9680764 Drawing on evolutionary and socio-cultural perspectives, the present study examined normative beliefs and commitment processes among heterosexual women involved in age-gap and age-concordant relationships. Results indicated that woman-older partners were the most satisfied with and committed to their relationships, relative to woman-younger and similarly aged partners, consistent with socio-cultural p…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 05:07 PM
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I agree that people shouldn't be told who to be attracted to. But please don't use these misinformation talking points as an example. You legitimized them when you repeat them in a casual manner like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:56 PM
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On the face of it, it's completely hypocritical. But, I think there are a lot of ways that these are actually very different. These two points are quite different because one is false and the other is real. Not your proposed distinction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:50 PM
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Then don't make such absurd points. There is no reason to mention such talking points if in reality women are not discriminated against.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:31 PM
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A company's hiring practice, versus someone's personal sexual preferences, is not an intimate and personal decision that we need to tiptoe around And men are discriminated against during the hiring process, not women: However, because different studies employ different research designs, the estimates of discrimination cannot be compared across countries. By utilizing data from the first harmonized comparative field experiment on gender discrimination in hiring in six countries, we can directly c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:25 PM
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"Yes, women, the reason you're not getting paid enough is because of the patriarchy" The notion that women are underpaid is the product of feminist misinformation: https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2017/08/01/are-women-paid-less-than-men-for-the-same-work Please inform yourself and try to curb such misinformation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 04:20 PM
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(as they're more likely to be in casual employment or self-employmen By the way, that's also wrong: https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/womens-databook/2020/home.htm#:\~:text=In%202019%2C%204.8%20percent%20of,(See%20table%2032.) Among the self-employed, 40.1 percent were women in 2019.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 01:42 PM
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Literally every statistic I've ever seen points to the contrary but okay. Can you share your "statistics"? I'm afraid they don't exist. I shared data from Pew Research Center. Pew is one of the most renowned polling Organisation in the world. but I'm not focusing on them as they're already better off. Not when comes to your example. Men are in a worse situation in almost all other respects as well (suicide gap/life expectancy gap/work accidents gap/victimization gap).
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:23 PM
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in terms of combined paid and unpaid work, women on average work significantly more That is not correct: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/fathers-day-facts/ Men work a total of 61 hours per week (domestic work and paid work combined) and women only work 57 hours per week. Now that you have this information are you going to stop being a feminist and become a masculist and support men's rights?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/22 12:00 PM
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