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Red Pill Theoryswifter_than_shadow/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 04:59 AM
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Would you like to discuss it with me? I think I am up to the task of critiquing feminism without being a complete asshole.
/r/MensRights14/08/17 02:33 PM
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I would suggest the opposite, that a belligerent tone can discredit a good argument in the eyes of a neutral observer. I keep remembering the video I saw of a men's rights event or speech, where protesters kept shouting and trying to shut it down and calling anyone who showed up rapists and pigs. Terrible, abhorrent behavior, right? But here's the thing; I never got to see the actual issues. I never even got to the part where I figured out what the MRA was going to say because the protesters too…
/r/MensRights13/08/17 06:30 PM
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See, there's another benefit I didn't even think about!
/r/MensRights13/08/17 06:00 PM
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then there's no possible way to change their mind Then there's no possible way to win, so why try? I think most people are open-minded to some degree; they just have to be coaxed into it.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:59 PM
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If you're gonna change things, you gotta convince people to agree with you. That means not adopting a belligerent tone. It's not tone police, just something you gotta do if you want to win.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:57 PM
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I'm an outsider, but here's what I'm gathering: the traditionally leftist social movements (and I am a leftist, by the way) have normalized shutting down their opponents as an acceptable tactic. The few right (rightist? I don't know) leaning movements such as MRAs and TRP make a conscious effort to not silence dissent. They frequently fail, though. I was part of the red pill community for a while and left because it was clear that the "I'm angry and need to rant" types were silencing any benefic…
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:35 PM
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Probably is, but maybe not. I think I'm fortunate in that I find other people's points of view to be fascinating, even if they're completely irrational, or totally set in stone. So even if there's no chance in changing his mind, it's still really interesting to puzzle out how he thinks. And plus there's still that slight chance you might nudge him in the right direction, yeah?
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:19 PM
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There is a gender war going on and the sex we were born with are our uniforms.[...]All we can do is fight for our own side Funny thing about political wars; the more you "fight", the less likely you are to win. Winning = convincing the other side. Not shouting at them, not insulting them. Usually the best way is to hear them out, then carefully and respectfully point out some (not all!) flaws in their theory and present a better alternate.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:12 PM
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I mean, are you trying to change things? If you want to achieve that goal you have to do x, y, and z. Cause and effect. If not, no problem, but I have no interest in a sub that's just an outrage machine echo chamber. Same reason I rarely visit 2xchromosomes.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:07 PM
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you leftists See, it's not helping when you try to fight your opponent instead of working to convince them. I happen to be a leftist, and I find myself agreeing with the content of this sub, but being so turned off by the tone that I just can't get invested.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:05 PM
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Why not? Personally I'm interested in everyone's opinion, even if (especially if) I in no way agree with it.
/r/MensRights13/08/17 05:04 PM
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Agreed. I think we're talking past each other. I'm talking about the deep theory discussion, not about jazzing it up for newbies.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 05:55 PM
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Well the fundamental thing about female psychology is that they don't know what they want. It's not like it's a choice for them to give bad advice, and it's certainly not malicious. They're not even lying. They're just mistaken. And yes, a fully formed alpha will realize this and come to terms with it, but it needs to be emphasized more here. Women are wonderful, beautiful creatures and I love them. I'm an alpha and I love women. It's a lot easier to love them when you approach with open eyes.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 05:51 PM
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"You are the prize." It's an amazing mantra that perfectly sums up all the good parts of TRP.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 01:04 PM
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Absolutely. You shouldn't have to dig through anything. But these are ideas-truths-that aren't being talked about anywhere else. This is the only community willing to say controversial but true things like "being nice and kind is not attractive in itself", or "women act impulsively, much moreso than men". The problem is that the ranks of TRP members are drawn from hurt, angry men coupled with the fact that TRP teaches you to go out and have a good life. Those who make the transition from sad, bi…
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 04:19 AM
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I'm sure there's a community of physicists and engineers who love talking about the mechanics of chainsaws and how they work, and every now and then out of those discussions comes a better chainsaw.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 04:04 AM
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Also an intelligent normie here. I get bored with the deep theory, I would rather go out and bang some chicks. It's not necessarily intelligence that makes you a normie, but interest and drive.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 04:03 AM
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I know. I used to, and I was proud of it, but it's just gone to shit in the last six months. Someone elsewhere made the analogy of a hospital ward, well the doctors have been overwhelmed by the number of patients and many of them aren't getting the care they need to get better.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 03:51 AM
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This is an amazing and spot on analogy
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 03:48 AM
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The misogyny comes from anger. I don't like it either. But if you're willing to dig through it, there's some great philosophical and psychological insights that you just won't find anywhere else.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 03:47 AM
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I wish the RP mods would start cracking down on the misogyny, because if you read Tomassi you'll see we shouldn't hate women for having different sexual strategies. We might be mad because our expectations don't line up with reality, but that's not THEIR fault. That's also why TRPwomen kind of disgusts me. A truly red pill woman would seek to use the red pill truths to support HER sexual strategy.
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 03:43 AM
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Sorry you're being downvoted. There's a lot of immature guys here. Sounds like you are an "alpha", or a contented "beta", and either way what you're doing is working. You're happy with your life. That's great, that's the whole point. A lot of these guys are not. TRP is about trying to teach them what probably came to you naturally. I don't come here much anymore, because that mission is being drowned out by sad, bitter woman-hating. But the original intent was good, and you can still see some of…
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 03:35 AM
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The essence of the red pill in 3 bullet points: 1)being nice and kind and stable and all the things society is telling you to be does not lead to success with women 2)women sometimes leave their men devastated because they view reality in a slightly different way 3)you should be proud of your masculinity: YOU ARE THE PRIZE
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 03:29 AM
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There's some good stuff here, like diamonds in the rough. Lot of misogyny to wade through, but I do because there are insights here you won't find anywhere else. The red pill forum 1)points out the differences between men and women, 2)derides women for them, and 3)shows men how to make use of them. Only 2) is a problem, and it's a big one, but I put up with it for 1) and 3)
/r/TheRedPill26/04/17 02:12 AM
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So I'm in a conundrum. Should I suggest that this is great advice and should be stickied?
/r/TheRedPill16/03/17 12:00 PM
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Right. Increase smv. Always.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 08:03 PM
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Father is an ultra beta. Seems happy with it, though. But even he got tired of her shit eventually. How would you react if your sister came crawling back to you looking for a provider?
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 07:11 PM
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Really? That's encouraging. I'm still on the path to losing my own beta-ness right now, but maybe as soon as I do she'll forget my weak moments.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 07:05 PM
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Quality troll 4.5/5 would read again.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 06:58 PM
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I don't know if I can accept that. I'll take the probability of being pulled down the drain for the possibility of helping her.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 03:34 PM
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I feel like my sister is just another girl you can't break frame with or she'll lose respect. I tried talking about my problems with her, got the typical "I really feel like I should empathize with you because that's what good people do but really I'm just annoyed you can't deal with this shit already" response. Not in her words, of course, but her actions.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 03:31 PM
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True. But reframing a whole relationship after years of BP is a long journey.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 03:25 PM
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Absolutely good advice. Put that into practice recently. No contact outside of pure logistics like money. I'm secretly terrified that she'll just run off to one of her boy toys and start doing messed up stuff again, but I'm holding ground.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 04:23 AM
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What about if your sister is prone to making dangerous (like, literally physically dangerous) decisions unless held in check (if and when that's possible). I mean, I legitimately worry about her safety. If the family cuts her out (and many of them have) we might wake up one day and she's dead or in prison. Obviously not a typical situation, but I could use all the advice I can get.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 04:11 AM
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What you say is truth, but we don't have to like it. I'd go so far as to say some of us can't ever like it. Maybe societal influences have permeated too deep with us, but no matter how alpha we become, there will always be a hidden part of us that wishes life works the way we were told it should work. I've accepted the RP view of the world--the evidence is incontrovertible. But I can't accept that this state of affairs is a good or fair thing.
/r/TheRedPill29/01/17 12:29 AM
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True. But a sister is not like another woman. I want to help her and be close to her even if she's a piece of shit. You're right though, it's never off the table. Just takes a lot more to ditch a sister than a plate.
/r/TheRedPill28/01/17 11:41 PM
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lol sure I'll just go to the bar and pick up a new sister
/r/TheRedPill28/01/17 10:48 PM
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Does holding frame ever work on her? I'm assuming you're like most men and were blue pill for a while; and I'm assuming you're like most brothers and at some point got friendzoned, for lack of a better word, by your sister. TRP wisdom says it's nearly impossible to get out of the beta orbiter zone and become a guy she respects again; better to move on to a new chick. Do you/did you try to gain her respect again (not with beta bux of course but with alpha techniques and high SMV), or just distanc…
/r/TheRedPill28/01/17 07:22 PM
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Yeah that's kind of my tactics right now. For a while there I tried to go Liam Neeson and drag her out of her self-imposed shitty situations (would that be beta or alpha? hm) but I can't make her decisions for her. I just hope she's alive long enough to try and get better. In the meantime, work on myself: if she sees me as a rock with strong SMV maybe she'll gravitate towards me (in a non sexual way of course) and I can look after her again. We were really close and I was keeping her on a good p…
/r/TheRedPill28/01/17 06:55 PM
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How do you deal with your sister from a red pill perspective? My sister is also a fuckup and I want to know how to treat her, but I can't really find anything on TRP that deals with a relationship where both sex AND nexting are off the table. Not to mention the added fact that I've of course been a beta orbiter of hers for years. The conventional wisdom with a girl like this is to gtfo, and I would totally agree except that she's my sister. Even though she does fucked up shit I still want to be …
/r/TheRedPill28/01/17 05:15 PM
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I think it honestly is too bad. In a fair world nice guys should finish first. TRP is a formula that works, and I use it, but I don't like it. The world isn't fair, I know. But it should be.
/r/TheRedPill06/01/17 02:58 AM
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