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anyone who might have any other options is a turn off? Not a turn off. Not a dealbreaker. Just a negative point to be considered. You want to be with someone who is only with you because they don’t have other options? Ideally, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 09:28 AM
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What I want is someone that will stay in the relationship. Any trait that increases the likelihood of her leaving the relationship is a negative. Not necessarily a deal breaker but a negative. Confidence, extroverted. Negative. Funny is an irrelevant trait. I can make my own fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:32 AM
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Why stop there? Considering common law marriage exists to force people that don't want to be married to be married anyways why not go one step beyond and creare common law marriage+ that does not require cohabitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/26 01:25 AM
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As it stands, if maximal human freedom results in maximal harm to other humans, then I think the scales should be modified to minimize harm than to maximize choice. Then fuck freedom it is. Which is fair. Just a difference in which value we put above others.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 01:18 AM
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To pool resources is living together. Both parties are putting in their resources for a shared home. Not really. You can pool resources for any kind of lifestyle. Everything in 1 name and separate living isn't pooling resources. See above. "Pooling" in this context means to share. They share resources. They don't share a roof. Restaurant works will pool tips. Meaning they'll split the tips from that evening. So you do understand that you can pool resources even if you don't live together.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:48 AM
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Why not? That is the situation I am creating to illustrate the point. Resources are pooled. Then everything is bought under one name. Both people live in separate homes. Since there is no cohabitation there is no common law marriage. Under that situation there is pooling of resources but because there is no cohabitation common law marriage does not apply. That means that common law marriage is not designed to apply in situations that have pooling of resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:42 AM
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I described a situation in which resources are pooled. Everything is in one name and there is no cohabitation. Same risks as cohabiting without marriage. The conditions for common law marriage to apply are not met.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:31 AM
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If a woman gets pregnant she has less and less options to stop it. Stop what? Consequences? Adoption and abortion. Men can just run away. The law forces him to pay. That is already illegal. Its not just forced to have kids. He is forced to pay. Its period management and other health issues that are being destroyed even in the US. Huh? What are you talking about? Women's jobs get less pay. Those are the consequences of accepting a job that pays less. Teachers were higher paid till it became a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/26 12:07 AM
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You're acting as if someone can trick someone into a legal marriage. Both people have to agree they are common law married. You can trick the state. I don't care about what people think. I care about what the state will enforce. It just means people who live together as a couple, who view each other as husband and wife, who do not want the government or a religious institution to be involved with their marriage. It isn't just living together. It is about acting as husband and wife while living t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:56 PM
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And that particular kind of binary thought is incredibly popular amongst my peers on the spectrum. Not black or white. A hierarchy of values can consider a lot of them. When two values collide the one above wins. Black-and-white thinking on the subject of how to organize society is not a productive method for discerning the most effective means of ensuring collective human flourishing, friend. Why should human flourishing be the end goal? Let's say I came to know with full certainty that removin…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:54 PM
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The concept of actual common law marriage is where BOTH couples declare themselves married without the INTERFERENCE of state or religion because they cohabitate and act as a married couple. That is why mostly only red states, it is still legal Except that marriage is not cohabitation and "acting like". Marriage is a legal institution that creates legal obligations. Especially when divorce happens. Its basically a couple saying "fuck you government. We have been living together for 45 years and h…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:49 PM
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Forcing people to be legally married when they were not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:46 PM
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Well fuck freedom it is. Either freedom is above all other values or whatever value is above it justifies removing all freedoms.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:45 PM
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What's i am advocating is that if you enter into a legal situation in which you have no protection then you have no protection. You made a bad decision and you should suffer the consequences
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:42 PM
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Because that's not the point of it. It is meant to protect people who may have pooled recourse into a dwelling via paying for the mortgage etc amd bills if things end. Bullshit. The condition is cohabitation. Not pooling of resources. If we pool our resources. Have two homes. We live separately. All is in my name. There is no common law marriage. Ie if you and your gf buy a house together, and it is under her name and you pay half or most of the mortgage every year then she cheats on you before …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:41 PM
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Which is, in my opinion, ample evidence that there needs to be some external social impetus for people to look out for each other. So... People don't want to pay for others so we should just force them to pay for others? Who needs freedom?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:36 PM
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Why should the law stop there? Why not create "common law marriage+" that requires no cohabitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:30 PM
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Maybe that is because people don't agree and they are not willing to pay for that safety net unless they are forced by the state
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:29 PM
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This is monstrous logic, you understand that, right? If the majority of people agrees then there would be no need for the state to force people to help. People would just donate and help. They would create the social protections without any legal obligation to do so. You're advocating for a world absent social protections for poor choices, and that necessarily affords the highest social advantage to anyone willing to take advantage of others. See above
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:26 PM
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The consequences of their actions. Don't intervene through the state and let the chips fall where they may. If free people decide to help them fine. If no one helps them fine as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:23 PM
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What, in your estimation, is the consequence of building a society around giving everyone what they deserve? The attempt of building that society leads to the idiots revolting and since they are a majority they win and we end up right where we are today. You don't do the right thing because of the consequences of doing the right thing. You do it because it is the right thing to do. Bonus points are on the table if you can guess the immediate follow-up question to that one. Go ahead.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:18 PM
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You did not address the point. Common law marriage exists to force people that don't want to be married to be married anyways when they fulfill the condition of living together. If people that don't want to be married decide to not live together then the principle that creates common law marriage remains. It follows then that in order to force them to be married anyways we create another institution that forces them to be married under a different set of circumstances. Why stop there?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:13 PM
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It protects idiots, and the unlucky. That is rewarding them. I don't care about the unlucky they are not part of this discussion. Not taking a smart decision is not lack of luck. That protection affords them the ability to become less of an idiot Why should they have that chance if they did not earned it? Why should we force others to pay for that chance. Let charities afford that chance. There are enough good people in the world. and to have a better run of things in the future. They did not ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:11 PM
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The argument is that the incentive structure rewards idiots and punishes non idiots.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 11:00 PM
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Common law marriage exists to force people that don't want to be married to be in the exact same legal position than married people. Come on. Make it make sense. Since the entire point is to force people into the legal framework of marriage then why stop there? Why don't go one step beyond and create "common law marriage+" Same legal obligations just after the relationship lasts 3 years even if there is no cohabitation?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:59 PM
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Adults making stupid choices deserve a measure of insulation from the worst possible outcomes of those decisions by virtue of existing in a society that should endeavor to look out for even the most vulnerable of us. So we create an incentive structure that rewards the one that make stupid choices and make the one making smart choices pay for them. Creating the incentive structure for those that make smart choices to make another smart choice and either leave that country or take their money to …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:54 PM
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Please elaborate. Give an example. I believe we are not having the same circumstance in mind.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:49 PM
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If an adult makes a poor decision, consequences are inevitable Are they? Because institutions like common law marriage make those consequences quite evitable but that inevitability is not a moral stance on the righteousness of those consequences. How can adults making stupid choices being spared the consequences of their actions to the detriment of other adults that did not make stupid choices end up being anything other than immoral? Being careless should result in worse circumstances than bein…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:44 PM
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This is a remarkably troubling premise. It is not. If you don't have insurance then you pay out of your own pocket. How far does this principle extend? To adults. As I said. The law should not protect adults from the consequences of their reckless and stupid behavior. Would you include children who don't know self-preservation? Adults. The disabled who often lack the means to self-preserve? If they are adult and of sound mind, then they should be responsible for the consequences of their actions…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:36 PM
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At this point we are going to go in circles. Can't we accept for the sake of discussion only that I am telling the truth?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:34 PM
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If you choose to do it in a way in which you have no legal protection. Yes. If you choose to act in a way that does not protect you, you deserve no protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:31 PM
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It deserves having no legal access to your partner's resources.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:28 PM
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I am not taking revenge on anyone. I define what I want from my partner by looking at her past. This has nothing to do with revenge.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:27 PM
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Deciding to date someone, not marry them and becoming dependent on them is a bad decision that deserves consequences.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:24 PM
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Because one is in control of your actions and one is forcing the other to do something they may not want to. Or... you leave the relationship and are no longer in a relationship without legal protection. Which is under your control. Boundaries are you saying you will remove yourself, not you are going to force yourself. Use the threat of leaving. If you are a woman then that has a good chance to work. So you can say I refuse to move in with you because I’m not ready for that level of commitment.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:24 PM
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There is an either or. Accept the law as it is, therefore your position is correct "If you don't want to be in a common law marriage don't live with your partner" or Consider the law to be wrong. "If you don't want to be in a relationship without any legal protection then marry your partner"
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:19 PM
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Instead of saying "If you don't want to be in a common law marriage don't live with your partner" it is equally valid to say "If you don't want to be in a relationship without any legal protection then marry your partner" Why should we accept one instead of the other?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:16 PM
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fix the twenty systemic problems that make common-law marriage necessary That is the thing. Those are not problems. Those are consequences that adults get when they make bad decisions.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:12 PM
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If you don't want to be in one, don't live with your partner. Why not just say "If you don't want to be without legal protection just marry your partner"?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 10:08 PM
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Notice how I did not mention sex. I mentioned fairness. It is about something way more all ecompasing than just sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:43 PM
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I am not going to say that doubting internet entities is wrong but what is the point of interacting with them if you are just going to deny them the benefit of the doubt?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:41 PM
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No. She never tolerated beatings from previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:41 PM
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I am not lonely. I found my partner ten years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:25 PM
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A woman that rejects me is a woman that is incompatible with me. That is the point. The garbage takes itself out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 09:20 PM
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If she was an abuse victim. Yes. If she was not, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 08:43 PM
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I want her best as defined by her past. If that means the relationship fails so be it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 08:42 PM
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I want her best as defined by her past. It is not a punishment.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 08:42 PM
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Does not change the fact that I want everything my partner did with, did to, and tolerated from previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 06:00 PM
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I do see myself as an object too. I don't feel any remorse.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 05:59 PM
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I don't feel anything towards anyone. Love for me is not a feeling but a set of actions. Putting the happiness and well being of another human as close to the top of my priority list as I can. My nature is such that I don't feel any difference between humans and objects. I can understand the difference in a way that is purely intellectual, but all are seen as tools. Some more complex than others. Some require specific kind of mainteneance. I don't have remorse. So all that keeps me following my …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 03:05 PM
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Yea, you need to move on too haha. One past is bad enough, you want to take on the mantle of both of your pasts. Need to? Looks like you haven't suffered enough due to past. Because I a careful about what I do for/with tolerate from others. You have got time and life will give you opportunities. It's only starting for you, suffering starts. One day you will look back and think what have I done. Nah. I act in such a way that I never regret my decisions. No, relationships are what you make it. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:59 PM
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You may get what you want from a relationship which also makes you feel how uncaring nature is. I don't know about my nature. I know about my actions. My partner gets what she wants from the relationship as well. If she wants me to be caring I will be. Is your relationship transactional? All relationships are transactional. I just make it explicit from the get go. When people move on completely, relationships are blank slates. My partner can move on as much as they want. What I want is defined b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 02:43 PM
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That's not what your partner wants. That is called incompatibility. I want fairness, she does not want to give it. Then no relationship happens at all. I am quite open about what I want before the relationship starts. They broke up for a reason. She is moved on from her past and you can't? Don't you see a problem here? I don't. If she does not bring fairness to the relationship I don't want a relationship with her. She is choosing you and wants to live with you. No. She is choosing unfairness. O…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:55 PM
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I broke up with him after he called me stupid once. Good for you. In this scenario you did not tolerate being called stupid so I would not be interested in it. Why do you want to mistreat women? I don't. I want everything my partner did with, did to, and tolerated from previous partners. If she did not tolerate/did X, then I don't want X. X can be anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:47 PM
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Fairness? yes A new relationship is a blank slate. Write your own story, build your own life. What I want from a relationship is my partner's best. If my partner has a past that means that everything she did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners is part of said best. Her past defines what I want. Fairness, in your context is comparison, which is again, a disease. Fairness can only exist in comparison so I give you that. And I don't see why it is a disease. Fairness is what separates…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:45 PM
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And I don't care. I want the best my partner can give and everything she did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners is part of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:44 PM
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So I briefly dated a guy once whom I broke up with because he called me stupid. I don't have enough information. All I know is that you broke up with him for that reason. For the sake of argument lets say he called you stupid 10 times before you decided it was enough and you dumped him. This means my husband is entitled to call me stupid? What if he doesn’t think I’m stupid? There is no entitlement. I am not talking about a rule that should apply to all men. I am talking about myself. I expect f…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:43 PM
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I didn't say it was alright. I said it is fair to expect your partner to treat you in the same way they treated previous partners. That includes everything did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:35 PM
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Point is you may be incompetent to do that. Irrelevant. If competency is needed I will get it. The previous partner could be a cuck, would you be capable of being a competent cuck? Yes. Fairness comes first. Or the previous partner can be a bdsm specialist, would be competent to be a bdsm specialist ? Yes. Fairness comes first. Comparison is a disease, a psychological one. Fairness is not.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:34 PM
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I see no argument about why expecting fairness is bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:33 PM
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One guy even said he would not feel it was fair unless he got to domestically abuse her to make it even with what “Chad” gets to do lol. That would be me. And it seems to be a misinterpretation. I said that what I want for the sake of fairness is the same treatment previous partners got. That includes everything did for, did with and tolerated from previous partners. If there was no abuse accepted from previous partners then that is not something I want out of fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:22 PM
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Thank you for defining the term. I thought it meant something else. Now it makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:18 PM
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how often gets a man "pumped and dumped" Average guy? Close to never. He would consider it good if it happened. why not really? Because women take advantage of men without having sex with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:14 PM
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If a men gets interest from a woman, Men know that in 99% of the cases its absolutely real and honest interest. Not really. But I do understand that men don't have a biological clock For a woman its a pure wildcard. she could think she found the one but the guy jumps the moment something better comes or its get complicated Then date a man that is not attractive. He will not have something better in the future and no matter how complicated things get, being an incel is worst so he is not leaving.…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 01:08 PM
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You can do all of these things while not truly loving them. Yes. And that is an argument that supports the idea that love is not a relevant trait when picking a romantic partner or a friend. The traits that make someone a good romantic partner or a good friend are separate (though not opposite) to truly loving someone. I think being interested in and trying to know someone are what define loving someone. Thank you for defining the term. I think that is the point in which there is disagreement. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/26 12:02 AM
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Yes, this is mostly based on my feelings. Did you consider the posibility that maybe decision should be made on something more grounded than "feelings"? I have been thinking for a long time that guys who are uninterested in befriending girls are also the most boring in dating. Why do you feel/think that "fun" is a trait that should be relevant enough in dating to the point of being the deciding factor on who do you choose as a partner? Should I reject a woman that would be a great mother because…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:42 PM
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Some of these traits are necessary in both cases. I can agree with this. Some traits are necesary for both roles. Loyalty, reliability. I don't se how "fun" is one of those traits. I d say a romantic partner is someone you should respect enough to consider them a possible friend. Why do you believe that "respect" has anything to do with either friends or romantic partners? Respect is not the thing that makes someone a friend nor a romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 10:14 PM
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The idea is that some men are only interested in women in that context, but won't befriend them. I feel like a lot of guys don't think of women as friend material. There is nothing wrong with this. The traits required to be a good friend are different from the traits required to be a good romantic partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:49 PM
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Lets try to adress everything here. I've found work in a city that's quite far from where I'm from, it is a very boring city and my coworkers are all older than me. There is 1 person who happens to be my age and it's a guy. I was quite happy when he got hired because I felt like I had finally a friend my age. He is also in a similar situation, new to this city, freshly hired, no friends here. Thank you for the context. Will take it into consideration. But every time we hang out it feels kinda li…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 09:39 PM
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Interacting and lack of interacting greatly affects your observations. Correct. Interacting messes up observations. Observation without interaction leads to better research.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 05:01 PM
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Observation does not require interaction.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 03:19 PM
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We in PPD established that. Outside, in he real world, the narrative is that men and women are equal and women don't want to be aproached. Ever. If you do it you are harassing them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 02:49 PM
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Ok. Equal treatment then. I am ok with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:15 PM
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Just another example of you getting something completely different from the literal meaning in the words that are said to you.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 12:47 PM
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How do you manage to understand something so different from the literal meaning of the sentence you are replying to?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/26 01:42 AM
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Precisely because I am a sociopath I am able to follow a code of ethics for the code itself instead of doing it because I "feel bad when doing bad things".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/26 01:04 PM
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Sure. I am not dead weight. I bring whatever my partner wants me to bring. Because I do so I am unable to know if what is valued is me the person or the benefit I bring to the table. Which is perfectly acceptable don't get me wrong. But that does not change the fact that the only way to know for sure that the one being valued is me is to not being anything to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:35 PM
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That would be the monogamy part. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 07:33 PM
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That is not commitment. Commitment in the context of this discussion: no sex with other humans for the foreseeable future if possible forever with the desire and plan to continue the arrangement until one of people involved die.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 05:01 PM
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Sure. The problem is commitment. Roommates don't commit.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 04:27 PM
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Human rights? Another arbitrary idea that seems popular now but does not exist in any other way other than as something made up. Why should we care about human rights instead of caring about equality applied to every aspect of existence?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:59 PM
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And why should limit equality only to opportunities instead of applying it to everything? Seems arbitrary. If we can be arbitrary then we can be arbitrary in many ways and not only in the way you like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:58 PM
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And why should I accept equality of opportunity and reject all other kinds of equality? Seems arbitrary.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:16 PM
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Either equality is valuable in itself and applies to everything or it is not valuable in itself and anyone can apply it or not in any scenario based on anything or nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:15 PM
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If that was an option, yes. Maybe the growing support for such an extreme position will wake up society to bring a solution before that party wins an election.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:14 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:13 PM
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There is no difference in the dating model. But it allows people to not give a fuck about equality in all other aspects as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:13 PM
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I am ok with equality being applied in everything. I don't know why you try to mention it as if it was something I would be opposed to.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:07 PM
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it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all. Ok. This option then. Equality only when you like it and never if you don't like it. Well I like different things.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:06 PM
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it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all. This option then
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 12:05 PM
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it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all. Ok. This option then.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:48 AM
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It is inconsistent to believe in equality for some things but to apply it only in other things. Either equality is valuable in itself and should apply to everything or it is not valuable in itself and anyone can choose to apply it or not based on anything or nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 11:44 AM
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I am not OP but I can say that my vote (support) is for sale and I know how I want to get paid. As long as I get what I want I will vote for status quo. If I am not getting what I want I will vote for whoever wants to change things in the opposite direction in the most radical way available.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:53 AM
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I don't understand how/why men keep trying to relate dating preferences to politics. The reason is consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:51 AM
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God forbid one might be consistent. I don't believe anyone has the obligation to be consistent but I will lose respect for people that are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 10:50 AM
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If that was the offer and there was commitment then it would be worth considering.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/26 01:09 AM
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Yes. I would pay. If she tries to use the assets I pay for to find another man she better get results on the first attempt because I will know about it and the next one will be significantly harder. There are few things that would make me want to pursue revenge. That is one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 10:12 PM
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Then they stop being single. Because there is no commitment to remain single.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:44 PM
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When I was younger, I did a lot of trying on different shapes. It was good for that period of my life when I was learning who I was and what worked for me. But I also spent a lot of time figuring out who I was alone, and what was important to me individually. On my way to get to my 40s and I learned that having a shape of my own is nothing but an obstacle. Be like water. Shapeless. Flow or crash, but in the shape of the container it is in. And in some ways there is a lot of flexibility - my inte…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:32 PM
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Roommates don't provide monogamy
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:21 PM
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I don't know why. I have yet to meet a woman that has no demands other than monogamy, be an adult, be alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 09:03 PM
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I don't understand the question. Please re phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:55 PM
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I can think of two reasons why I would change to fit whatever shape of dull I need to fit. First one is that I want to be in a relationship and I am a man without an abundance of options. I Don't get to reduce the pool. Staying alone is not acceptable. If that were not the case I would consider not changing. Second reason is that I don't have any shape of my own. I have the shape I need at the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:45 PM
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Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:36 PM
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Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:36 PM
1

Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:35 PM
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Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:35 PM
1

Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:35 PM
1

Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:35 PM
1

Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:35 PM
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Ok. Fair point. You make a good argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:35 PM
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Not my own value. Every single human's value.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:25 PM
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Working from the comment that started this thread. If there is no reason to date/commit to someone that you find boring/not fun... Then there is no reason to stay when they become boring/not fun
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:24 PM
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Is that intrinsic human value in the room with us? Any evidence for it's existence? Or is it just a popular idea with no basis on reality like "human rights"?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:23 PM
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This thread begun from a post that said Because I want to be able to bond with, enjoy my time with and do stuff with my partner? Now that that is no longer an option then there is no reason to stay with this partner. They were chosen. Because they could bond with and enjoy time with and do stuff together. Now they can't
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:19 PM
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In control over myself and how much joy I get out of whatever action I need to do. I don't need people to change for me or do what I find fun. I can change to do whatever and find fun doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:17 PM
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I can only answer for myself, of course, but - Thank you for your perspective. There are a few parts of this. I can't have a serious relationship if I can't connect with them both emotionally and intellectually. If it is an inability then there is nothing to be done. If it is a preference then I guess it can be changed. I have a colorful and exciting life already. Spending time with someone who is dull gets frustrating pretty quickly. Usually for both of us, if they're bright enough to understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:16 PM
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I mean he could change and stop being fun. Maybe because of something that changes his outlook on life. Doesn't matter why. Then it will be a burden of performance or a reason for a break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:10 PM
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I only require that if she has demands I need to meet in order to qualify as a potential partner. All women on earth have those kind of demands so I expect sex. But assuming a woman expects nothing from me I will gladly return the favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:09 PM
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I don't understand why the idea of being dead weight is so attractive to so many people. The only way to know if you are actually valued is to see if you are valued when you bring nothing to the table. When you are dead weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:07 PM
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Ok. Not all the time. But a percentage of the time. And that percentage will not always be met. Unless it is a performance.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:03 PM
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Why are you framing being fun as a thing that requires a personality change or "burden of performance? It does not necessarily need a personality change. You can vet for compatibility but that reduces the pool of available options. It does require a burden of performance because no one is fun all the time and also, people tend to change. " Do you have friends? When you and a friend have fun, is it because one of you has changed themselves for the other? I do have friends and I am the one changin…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:01 PM
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Considering all I said I don't know how you get to that conclusion. I literally said that I would be the one changing and molding myself to what my partner wants. What makes you think that I want an empty vessel? I don't care if it's empty or full or whatever it has inside. I will change to fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 08:00 PM
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Lucky you. Not an option. But if you have it then use it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:49 PM
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I don't prioritize compatibility. I build it. So it is entirely under my control. My partner has to say yes. From then on I am the one that will change to suit the needs of the moment.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:46 PM
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Seems fair. Even if somewhat unsustainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:39 PM
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Sure..I get that. And when I want that it is me the one that changes so I become able to bond and do things with my partner while enjoying the time together. I don't expect my partner to be fun/not boring. I would rather be in control and not put a burden of performance on someone else. Let alone the fact that looking for someone that I find fun without any change from my part reduces the pool of options available.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:33 PM
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Considering the fact that you need consent then you do need to ask the same question again and again. You can't skip that step.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:27 PM
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Just out of curiosity. Why does "fun"/"not boring" enter into consideration? Isn't it easier to find fun on your own instead of adding another trait to the list of requirements?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:10 PM
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If all a woman brings to the table (and does it for real) is “I’ll be there tomorrow morning cause I got nowhere else to be” I would jump from joy so high that I would have to worry about sticking the landing without dying. I can intellectually understand the position you are in. I am absolutely unable to fully put myself in your shoes.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 07:04 PM
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I would not know how to. Feelings are not my thing. But it is not hard to conceive the idea that if you make someone feel safe and horny they might want to have sex with you
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:52 PM
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With what arguments? Why use arguments? There is plenty of convincing that can be done without arguments. Convincing is an adjective that means able to make you believe that something is true, real, or right. There is also "convincing to do something" instead of "convincing to believe in something" It describes proof, arguments, or actions that remove doubt. Forgot about feelings. Those are convincing. So what proof there can be about someone's desires? Feelings. And as I said before. It is conv…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:42 PM
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Convince her to have sex. If she wants it or not might or not be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:19 PM
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Try to convince and try to rape are different things. I hope you know that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 06:14 PM
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The consensus arrived at by the majority of the members of the organization. See if any conservative population would allow a doctor making sex change procedures to minors to call themselves a conservative. That is how you are able to see the limits of a movement and how those limits define the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 04:40 PM
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A movement is defined by their limits. Those limits are seen by looking at which behavior gets a member kicked out of the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:45 PM
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Precisely. So they are condemned to accept that whatever the stupid people inside the moment do, becomes part of the movement.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:36 PM
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Yes. Unless the vast majority of the population that self identify as vegans remove them from the group. Feminists don't tend to excommunicate women from their ranks.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 03:15 PM
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Lol whatt Trapping someone financially creates "stability" through leverage not a mutual choice Trapping assumes deception. There is no deception in entering into an agreement that includes traditional gender roles. And that leverage is created by a mutual choice. and an equal partner isn't just about sharing bills it's about having an invested adult who stays because she wants to We were talking about "partner" not "equal partner". Don't move the goalpost. An unequal partner is as much as a par…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:51 PM
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On the contrary. If I am not inside a LTR my desire to take a bath with a toaster increases every day. So I am required to have one.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:48 PM
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Because this is a debate subreddit. You seem to say that my response was an example of being lacking in emotional intelligence without explaining why that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:37 PM
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It is not about books and academics. It is about people on the day to day life. If women that identify themselves as feminist do X, then X is part of feminism no matter what academics or philosophy says about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:36 PM
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increased demands that aren't money. Money is just time and effort. All other demands outside of money means more time and effort even when outside of working hours. so they don't want you for your money. They want me for my time and effort. Just another form of it if that's all you have to offer a relationship, though, I guess you don't get to be mad when you're expected to provide it, because they know they can't expect anything else. I am not mad about it
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:33 PM
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Ur treating this like a pure cost/benefit ,which is fine, but acting like the only real benefit is a woman who demands less and stays in a narrow role. Well you did not mentioned any benefits for the man in the previous comment. Reducing a man to paycheck + bodyguard isn’t respect, no matter how traditional you call it. It’s just using him. Same goes the other way.... I agree. It is not respect. But as I said before. Respect is unrelated to how you value someone. Alos Feminists who actually mean…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:32 PM
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Feminism is what self identified feminists do.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:12 PM
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Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard while Feminists want an actual partner. I can see how this might be true. Let's see your arguments. I think that Feminists actually respect men more than ‘pick me tradwives’ do, cuz Tradwives reduce men to a paycheck and a bodyguard. They want a tool, not a partner. Why do you believe there is a connection between respect and seeing someone as a tool or partner? I can respect someone I see as a tool and have no respect towards someone I see as a…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:11 PM
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Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 02:04 PM
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And he discovered that women are not interested in actual vulnerability and honesty.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/26 01:01 PM
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Men are raised believing women should serve them In the west? After decades of feminism supremacy as the dominant ideology when it comes to gender roles? Doubt so. Women are raised believing they need a man to have a complete life. I can buy that. Men are raised believing they need a woman to have a complete life as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/26 12:07 AM
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The target audience of TRP is simps and other kind of failures. The men that end up in TRP and have a relationship are already focusing on benefiting their partner. They are so focused on them that they are spineless.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 08:12 PM
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Men are raised believing they should prioritize their partner over themselves. Happy wife happy life. Duty to provide etc . So the advice is to cut down on what they are already doing and think about themselves instead. Women on the other hand (specially since feminism became mainstream) already know they should put themselves first. So the advice is to cut down on what they are already doing and think about their partner instead
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 07:56 PM
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I want a clear definition that does not require any subjectivity. Fear is subjective. Feeling coerced is subjective.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:39 AM
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Rape conviction rates are less than 1% of all allegations. That is not what you are advocating for. You are saying that if someone says that they were afraid or coerced then there was no consent and rape happened. No discussion, no evidence. There was a rape and the rapist goes to jail. 100% conviction based only on the word of the one that is making the accusation.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:35 AM
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So you would be ok going to jail if at any point in time one of the your previous partners decides to say he was afraid and coerced when they had sex with you and you are a rapist.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 11:27 AM
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In a debate subreddit you have to define the terms
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/26 12:44 AM
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I don't believe in the definition I came up with. I don't believe that good or evil exist in any meaningful way. All definitions of good and evil are subjective. I believe the question itself is lacking in meaning because there is no true definition of evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 10:17 PM
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I don't know. I used that definition because I found it useful for the argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 09:58 PM
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Is there any definition of evil that is less subjective than another?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:28 PM
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I defined the term. So I used it. Even when I don't find it useful.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:21 PM
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I would love it if women were less emotional and more in control of themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:21 PM
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how exactly are women just bad at violence when a lot of methods of being violent don’t require you to be physically strong? The ones that require you to be physically strong are enough to declare them bad at it. what evidence do you have that women are equally evil? Evil is not a useful term. It is subjective enough that all I have to do is be absolute about it. Anyone not perfectly good is an equal in sin and therefor equally evil. That is that. Enough to say all humans are equally evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 08:01 PM
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Reading my first comment. Men and women are equally evil. Men are better at committing violence than women. I didn't say men and women are equally violent. I said they are equally evil. I said women are bad at applying violence. It makes sense they are less violent. They are bad at it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:54 PM
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In my opinion this dynamic creates an environment in which women are unable and unwilling to be sexual and emotional beings because they have to be in control of themselves and their partners 24/7. I wish women were unwilling to be sexual and emotional. I wish they remain in control of themselves and their partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:50 PM
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You know you have no real answers so it’s always whataboutisms. OK. Lets make it more clear. Peace is achieved through mutual respect, understanding, and empathy. There is no example of any society on earth that achieved anything that came close to peace through mutual respect, understanding, and empathy. There are plenty of societies on earth that achieved something that came close to peace through the use of violence to enforce laws. I never said shit about removing laws, you moldy potato. You…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:48 PM
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See above. Not even with tools that should make their weakeness irrelevant women become able enough to use violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 07:29 PM
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Humans apply violence towards the ones that are weaker than them. Men abuse women, women abuse children, children abuse animals.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:51 PM
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Yes. Different groups of men. Still correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:44 PM
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Go to those countries. Be violent. See how a man will use violence to put you in jail.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:42 PM
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Women are so bad at applying violence that even when guns exist, there is no example of a society in which women are the ones enforcing the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:37 PM
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No, that is the violent male thought. Peace is achieved through mutual respect, understanding, and empathy. Remove laws. Remove prisons. See how far "mutual respect, understanding and empathy" get you if you are not willing or able to apply violence towards the onesthat don't give ashit about your "mutual respect, understanding and empathy"
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:36 PM
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The only cultures that have low violence are the ones that apply violence effectively towards the ones that initiate violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 06:35 PM
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And the only way to keep it. Because peace can only exist if it is enforced through violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:57 PM
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Men and women are equally evil. Men are better at committing violence than women. See the difference? I thought women were just as bad as men? I thought women could do just as much evil? Women are as evil as men are. Women are not as efficient and capable of commiting violence as men are. Why are you only talking about male cops, male military, and armed husbands protecting women from other men and not all the violent, unhinged female rapists and terrorists out there? Because unhinged violent fe…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:49 PM
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Any reply to that point u/TermAggravating8043 ?
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 03:39 PM
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I agree. Not my point. My point is that what I consider moral or immoral makes no difference unless there is enforcement. Unless someone puts the people that act against the moral code in jail, that moral code is nothing but a useless idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:17 PM
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You're saying the only reason not to do something is that it's illegal. On a societal scale, yes. That's a legitimately frightening worldview. Then remove all punishments and see how it works out. If your morality starts and ends with avoiding legal consequences, then the only thing stopping you from lying, stealing, cheating, raping, or killing is the fear of punishment. Remove all punishments from society and see how good ethic works as a way to keep society in peace. Ethics exist precisely be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:10 PM
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Maybe some people find value in the ettiquete and masquerade of it all. Maybe some people see the ability to keep your lies and honest intentions to yourself as a sign of being properly socialized. Just guessing. I don't really know.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:08 PM
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I care about not harming others but unless there is enforcement for what I care about, the fact that I care about it means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:05 PM
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Disclaimer: This is a LilithOfBabylon post. So you know how this will work. I will adress every single line and she will pick some detail and ignore everything else. If sex isn’t something to be ashamed of, then don’t hide your desires for it. I don't. It’s always funny seeing people claim theyre fighting against purity culture and yet they have to pretend sex is supposed to be about some pure love bullshit. If being horny isn’t something to be ashamed of, then just be honest. Ok. I am honest. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 02:04 PM
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Who cares about ethical tandards? If there is no enforcement then they have no impact on reality. Frankly, if you're worried about accidentally crossing the line, wouldn't you rather err on the side of making your partner feel safe and comfortable than on the side of getting as close to the line as possible? No. I rather have the line be clearly defined in law so people can stand in the right side of it knowing there will be no legal consequence.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:54 PM
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Sure. And prohibition worked and people stopped drinking alcohol.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:53 PM
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Consent isn't just the absence of the word "no." It requires that a person can freely say no without fearing retaliation, punishment, or significant consequences. I am sorry but defining something as serious and as punishable as rape by something as nebulous and subjective as fear is stupid. Any woman can at any second say she feared retaliation, punishment or significant consequences and considering that she is the only authority on her own fear that means she is the ultimate authority that dec…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/26 01:01 PM
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what women do bring to the table Women in general don't bring anything to the table because individuals bring different things to the table and they change constantly so anything they bring today they may not bring tomorrow and anything they failed to bring in the past might be on the table on the future. I can go the distance and say that women bring the possibility to maybe get sex/ romantic affection / the chance to have children. Considering those are the only things heterosexual men can't g…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 04:03 PM
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Oh. Dehumanizing the one that disagrees. A classic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 12:31 PM
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They are offensive to you. But let's say you are correct and they are offensive to the human spirit. How does that change anything. They are still wasting time getting tools without results.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/26 11:49 AM
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For you. It is not hard to think that for some people those are only tools used to get sex/relationships and therfore getting the tools without the results is just a waste of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:38 PM
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Those things are valuable as tools to get sex/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 05:21 PM
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Not really. Now you are single and don't have the time you spent to get hobbies, friends, fitnes shygiene and good character. Time is the most valuable thing humans have. To waste it in things that you don't find valuable is a tragedy.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/26 04:30 PM
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Because the results are nor worth the increased likelihood of ending up as an incel. Men are not going to rally for a cause if the likely result is that they will end up without sex/relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/26 11:53 AM
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Those kinds of rewards are outward and are just a bonus. The real reward comes in understanding and believing that real relationships can and will flourish if two people care enough to make it happen. If we recognie that most people being in relationships is a goal worth pursuing then those rewards and punishment should be the main course, not just a bonus. And relationships should happpen even if people don't care enough about it. If you want to win a war, you need more bodies. The perfect way …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:45 PM
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There are deductions written directly into the tax laws and many other issues and legislative documents that reward people for being married and producing children. I was thinking about severe social punishment for single women. Not rewarding married people. People who don't want to get married or have children did not appreciate this special treatment and so have pushed the welfare state to make sure that the women who aren't career beasts still have the option to have kids without a second par…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:18 PM
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Men are better at " be great friends who care about each other who can spend time with each other doing things other than sex " So that need is already covered. No need to look for that in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:59 AM
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be great friends who care about each other who can spend time with each other doing things other than sex
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 05:53 AM
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There is no way to avoid criticism.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 04:55 AM
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Women are allowed to have any preference. They will get criticism anyways because being allowed to do something and being free of criticism are two different things that have nothing to do with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:19 AM
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so let me get this straight, when a woman has a preference for tall men that’s bad because men can’t control their height Not my position. A popular position for sure. Not one I hold but when women have a preference for a financial stable and confident man that’s bad too because it’s not a part of who he is. lol Not my position either, I don't consider it "bad". Just not really an exampl of being attracted to what a human is. can you show me a psychological study proving your second statement? N…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 02:16 AM
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well then i’m not my age, beauty, or body count either because when those things change im still the same person. so i guess women aren’t valued for who they are either Sure. But beauty is a trait of your body so it is closer to being valued for what you are than anything else. i guess i just don’t understand your mentality about life. i really cannot imagine wanting to be valued for something that you can’t control and only lasts a few years compared to something you can control and has a high …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/26 01:51 AM
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The only reward worth the effort is success in dating
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:33 PM
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why are you not your confidence? is it not a part of your personality? Because I remain myself if I lose confidence or if I gain it. Whatever I am remains the same with or without confidence. yeah everyone has a body, and some people have an ugly one, so.. So being valued for what you are is better than not being valued for what you are. (A body) why is being judged for your age any better than being judged for your money? you can control one, not the other Everyone gets to be young. Not everyon…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 09:20 PM
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why is this such a bad thing? Because I am not my money. I am not my confidence and I am not the performance of game. I am what remains when everything else changes. That is, just a body and the electrical chemical patterns that distinguish it from a corpse. the men who lament about these things the most also say that the most important things to them in a woman are her beauty, youth, body count. So a body (something everyone has), time (something everyone had once), and lack of experiences (som…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 08:51 PM
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I did pick my current partner making decisions about who I date based on the future life I want to have and based on the kind of behaviors I want to reward/punish using my own behavior as an incentive structure. Miss moral and I are together for 10 years and counting. I did not even consider "liking her" when selecting her. That is something I learned to do after I decided she would be the one to take a chance with.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:19 AM
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if you are in a relationship with someone where you are committed and cohabiting, you spend a lot of time together. That’s really hard to do when you don’t like the person Hard to do does not mean "impossible". I can deal with it. And I can learn to like someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/26 12:10 AM
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That would be covered by I make decisions about who I date based on the future life I want to have
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 10:44 PM
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Yes. I fail to see how it is relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:33 PM
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I am perfectly able to feel interested, weirded out or attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 07:29 PM
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If a woman you weren’t attracted to asked you out, you would maybe feel weirded out or just plain not interested. Sure. But I don't make decisions about who I will date based on what I feel. I make decisions about who I date based on the future life I want to have and based on the kind of behaviors I want to reward/punish using my own behavior as an incentive structure.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/26 05:51 PM
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Yes, in your very unrealistic hypothetical scenario that makes no logical sense where women don’t have any money to spend and men will all unify as one great woman-hating army. An unrealistic goofy made up rule is not worth considering. Your hypothetical is useless If you don't want to adress the hypothetical scenario then the discussion does not make sense. I am discussing that scenario. Not reality. Your points are perfect for reality. Not for the scenario that is being discussed. So your prem…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:58 PM
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Corporations and rich people have no incentive to fire half of their functional useful employees based solely on their sex organs. It does not benefit them. Useless if your clients refuse to buy from you because you hire single women. And as for male workers boycotting all companies who employ women… boycotts are simply not effective. Because those boycots are from a tiny minority that does not follow through. Not the case in this scenario. And from the perspective of capital, there is no value …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 08:01 PM
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That is the necessary circumstance for this scenario to make any sense. Unless men act as a cohesive unit when it comes to making social pariahs out of single women there is no way an incentive structure that rewards settling over remaining single will exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 05:43 PM
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And piss off the clients that will no longer buy your product/service because the company is hiring women?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:22 PM
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Fair. I would think that something as pursued as relationships would be as desired as living a life having all your limbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 04:15 PM
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And why do you think that men through all of history spend that much time and effort trying to get relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:55 PM
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Seeking relationships? The thing that most humans in history do/did? That is unattractive? Humanity is broken
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 03:49 PM
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Assuming it can be done, unless it happens at the same time in all societies/countries on earth, all you did is create some countries that have men and some that don't. The countries that have their male population intact will conquer the countries that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:40 PM
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In this hypothetical scenario men decided that they no longer want to associate with single women. So single women would be the ones that are not hired.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:05 PM
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In this hypothetical scenario men decided that they no longer want to associate with single women. So single women would be the ones that are not hired.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 02:05 PM
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Yes. You can have legs and complain about them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:50 PM
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If not more miserable.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:49 PM
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Compare it to... I don't know... Having legs. You don't need legs to live... Still really good to have them and sucks to not have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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Because for many men life without relationships/sex is significantly worse than life with those. Compared it to... I don't know... Having legs. You don't need legs to live... Still really good to have them and sucks to not have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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Because for many men life without relationships/sex is significantly worse than life with those. Compared it to... I don't know... Having legs. You don't need legs to live... Still really good to have them and sucks to not have them.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 01:31 PM
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If you don't like being dependent on a boss or a client then don't work... It is not an option and that was told and explained to you multiple times.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/07/26 12:36 PM
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I don't have a plan. A plan is something serious that you try to achieve. I don't plan to achieve anything I am saying. I am just debating.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:08 PM
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Not a plan. A plan is something more serious than whatever we are doing here.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 08:09 PM
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Correct. In the societies in which the majority of men want that, there is nothing that can stop them. In the societies in which the majority of men are opposed to that, the perpetrators are persecuted and sent to jail. Not all of course, no justice system is perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:41 PM
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In that fictional world there is evidence of the existence of a soul.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:34 PM
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My point is that when the majority of men want to do something the law does not stop them. What they want becomes commonplace
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:33 PM
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Prohibition was law and that didn't stop men from drinking.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:22 PM
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Discrimination as a consequence of using freedom of association. Yes. Also, punishments are also incentives. Anything that influences your decisions based on.expected outcomes is an incentive
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:16 PM
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It created one incentive for women to not be single. For some women that incentive was one of the incentive considered to make the decision to not be single.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:07 PM
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You think non single women would go against single women despite women having a higher ingroup bias? Some will. And that is enough to tip the scales. Also how is antagonising single women making it more likely for them to couple up? People tend to do what is needed to improve their position. We already had that before when women were shamed for being old cat ladies and shit. It worked. Not perfectly but it worked.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:04 PM
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Ok. My point still stands
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:02 PM
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Replace one state for another. The state still exists. So no meaningful change.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 06:02 PM
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You know that women also have buisnesses? Are part of corporations? Sit in HR? Yes. And I know that all men+non single women is a larger client base than single women. It makes sense to pander to the larger client base. Surprisingly men aren't the only working people. Would you be okay if women behaved the same way then? Yes. Freedom of association is good no matter who is using it.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:43 PM
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If 50% percent of the population acts like that I believe it would make a difference. How do you plan to get hired? Buy anything?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:37 PM
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The state is a stationary mafia. Of course there will be taxes. They need to stay in power. They need guns.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:10 PM
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You know the racist person that just refuses to talk/hire interact with someone they don't like? That is how it looks like.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 05:09 PM
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I didn't say get rid of the state. I said get rid of the help the state gives to people. A state is the best organization when it comes to the use of violence and as long as that is the case the stare can't be destroyed, it can only be changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:26 PM
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How are you going to get everyone to comply? I will not. If men don't want to treat single women as pariahs then they will not. What happens if they don't? Pariahs as well. And that ignores the fact that, in modern day social circles, being a pariah is not that big of a deal. It would be if people had freedom of association (if they are allowed to not hire people they don't want to hire. If they are allowed to refuse services and trade etc)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 04:23 PM
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Freedom to decide who you deal with and in which way if you dealt with them at all. If men treat single women as pariahs and refuse to have any positive interaction with them then single life would be harder than just lowering your standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 03:57 PM
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Then read the comments below.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:46 AM
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If you need to force people to trade their singlehood for a relationship its not a voluntary trade, is it? There is no force. Just freedom of association. Why do you want to force the state then to have people give up their freedom and bodily autonomy? I don't require the use of a state (country). Just individual people using their freedom of association. Which is part of their bodily autonomy.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 11:46 AM
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Because free humans should be free to treat other people as pariahs just because they have freedom of association. Because that would create an incentive structure that rewards being in a relationship and punishes being single. Because a socieyin which you get help through voluntary trade is better than a society in which you get help through force (the state)
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:33 AM
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Because being alone is no longer better than being with someone that does not meet your standards
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 10:30 AM
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Removing all help from the state and making sure all men treat single women and those who associate with them as social pariahs. If women want any help or good treatment they can pick a man and stop being single. Then they get an acceptable life. Notice how all I did is apply freedom of association. No rights were removed.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:32 AM
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Because it solves the issue with standards
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 09:30 AM
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Solution found. Make it so it is no longer better to be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/26 02:18 AM
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Why does every group of men thinks that the women of the out groups are better? Because the women they know are really really bad. I love how ‘foreign women are both slutty and submissive’ just seems to be a universal belief no matter who ‘foreign’ means. That is men being stupid. At least get to know the culture of the hunting ground you are aiming at. Like why do men think this? For example in my country people say that Americana and European women are better than Indian ones as they don't exp…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/07/26 03:11 AM
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If you love someone, you don't use them to "get what you want" over their pain, misery, and discomfort. Ok. If that is the definition we are using I have no response. You define the term in such a way that gives me no option. I don't know how good of a debate tactic it is. I'd never fuck my husband while he clearly hated it. And if he could fuck me while I cried or starfishes because he's using my body irrespective of my feelings, he'd be gone. Respectable position to have. Also personal. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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If you love someone, you don't use them to "get what you want" over their pain, misery, and discomfort. Ok. If that is the definition we are using I have no response. You define the term in such a way that gives me no option. I don't know how good of a debate tactic it is. I'd never fuck my husband while he clearly hated it. And if he could fuck me while I cried or starfishes because he's using my body irrespective of my feelings, he'd be gone. Respectable position to have. Also personal. That i…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 11:59 AM
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I agree with you. That being said I already found miss moral ten years ago and I built my life around creating an adequate incentive structure for the woman that would fill that role.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/26 05:18 AM
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Not really. It can be explained theoretically, even mathematically.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:57 PM
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Getting women to lower their standards will just trap you in a passionless relationship I am ok with that. A lot of men hearken back to the days of yore, talking about how back in the fifties or whatever, most men got married at, like, twenty or whatever. They don't take into consideration how a very large percentage of those women probably (at best) tolerated their husbands, rather than ever truly loving them. Fine by me. Ever hear how common it was back then for a husband to die mysteriously, …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/26 09:55 PM
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You cannot have emotional connection with someone if you don't give a shit how they feel about having sex with you, as long as they do it. Well you are partly correct. Even I can't do both at the same time. He doesn't value emotional intimacy because he doesn't understand it. Define the term as you use it. Then I can either agree or disagree with this statment in a way that is meaningful to the way you use the term. I'm trying to imagine fucking my husband knowing he'd rather crawl away and it t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 03:31 AM
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you don't talk to your partner of 10 years about your feelings? I tell her enough so she knows about it and nothing more. Part of the deal is that I must talk about that. And I tell it in a way that is so sanitized that is like seeing a childrens version of Schindler´s list. Technically you may know what is happening but without the gory details you don't really get it. She knows that is the case. She asked me to be fully open, she got it. Didn't liked it one bit. As I expected. wowee, i'm sure …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:34 AM
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Lets make this interesting and answer from the perspective of the kind of men you are talking about. Lets ignore the generalization. I am that kind of man so lets go point by point adressing everything. Also, I saw the video before writing this. I am not married because marriage is bullshit but I am in a ten year long term relationship Men don’t want relationships, they want service I do want a service. A relationship is just a mutually agreed upon arrangement in which both parts get what they w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/26 01:04 AM
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It was the more significant out of all of them
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:39 PM
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All other things being equal the one that is willing to have sex more often is the one I would like/love more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:36 PM
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The one that gives me what I want. If both give me what I want, the one that gives me more of it. I don't have enough information about the options to make an informed decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 06:07 PM
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I was a child sociopath. Of course I did not understand humans were different. They were all just objects to me. When I was told about equality I took it seriously. Equality means equality. No room for any variation.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/07/26 01:43 AM
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For the same reason thet is a persistent issue with women killing their children. The one that is stronger abuses the one that is weaker.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 09:33 PM
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As long as we both get what we want out of the trade
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:17 PM
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Those same women want a man to pay for the lifestyle they want to live or at the very least bring enough money so she can afford a better lifestyle than the one she can pay for on her own.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 06:03 PM
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It's ethically wrong. That's it. That's the argument. Dude. I am talking about correct/vs incorrect. Not ethics. "Rapists exists" is not a wrong statement and saying the act of rape is morally wrong does not change the fact that the statement is correct. It's not the best option. It's survival. And that woman will pick survival over that man every time. Then find a woman that needs you for survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:50 PM
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Being “welcoming and caring” is not a life goal - that is a personality trait. No. "Welcoming and caring" is a trait. "Being" is an action. And to continue that action is a goal. Something you want to achieve/do is Being anything is a goal.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:47 PM
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I made the argument therefore it exists. Find a woman in such a horrible position in life that they have no better option and will never have a better option than to date you. Then you don't need any of the mentioned. Context: a woman won’t want you if you have no ambition outside of the generic “I want a family and a nice house and stable job”. Having no interest outside of your prospective partner is just plain boring and depressing. Find something that excites/interests you - most men in the …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:44 PM
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I know there are many uses of the word "wrong". I mean factually wrong. I am not arguing ethics and morality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:42 PM
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Provide an argument then. Why would such a woman reject the best option available to her when presented with it?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:41 PM
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It is not factually wrong. If you find such a woman you don't need to get all the laundry list of traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:39 PM
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It is not factually wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:37 PM
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But it is not wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:34 PM
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The concept that “someone else is getting something that I’m not” is very human. But it’s one of those dark thoughts that we, as humans, are responsible for watching ourselves for, as they lead to unhealthy fixation I believe it is one of the best thoughts a human can have. Without humans sense of fairness there would be no law and no order. Just the strong taking from the weak. I do think some people are just uncomfortable being reminded of their own selfish nature, so they attack the person ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:33 PM
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Alternative. Find a woman in such a horrible position in life that they have no better option and will never have a better option than to date you. Then you don't need any of the mentioned.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:22 PM
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Lowkey if you have no hobbies, goals or dreams/ambitions that aren’t targeted towards the sole purpose of finding sex/a partner - that’s a very sad life to live. It is quite good to know exactly what you want and not have anything distracting you from the goal. What is sad is not achieving the goal. You should Oh.. I should. I did not know I was talking with the one true authority on what I should do with my only life. be happy being alone and have dreams outside of them - like getting a good jo…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:19 PM
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Fair point. One man is focused on love and the other is focused on fairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:15 PM
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So men would still want the same thing no matter if Chad is real or not, imagined or not. That is no jealousy. That is genuine desire for something.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 05:03 PM
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That’s you being jealous of whatever your version of “Chad” has. Is it? Because from my perspective this man would still want the want the same thing even if this version of Chad never existed and is never even imagined by anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:51 PM
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I am with you. I see nothing wrong with it. There is no reason to lie to myself and pretend I care about anything else. Life is better when you are honest with yourself about what you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:49 PM
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"It is still a shame that we gave women any kind of responsibility though" Responsibility and independence are not the same thing. "You can be independent and have no responsibility." Bullshit. Provide an argument. Elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:36 PM
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I have no problem with women being independent. I said nothing against women's independence in this argument. You can have responsibilities while being a dependent. You can be independent and have no responsibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:25 PM
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Sure now answer the important part Again. How can we have equality of opportunity unless we remove parents ability to give advantages to their children? If parents are able to help their children some parents will be better than others and therefore some kids will have more opportunities than others. Of we allow for that to happen equality of opportunity does not exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 04:16 PM
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I am not. But I should not be able to create inequality when hiring considering your previous comments. Discrimination in hiring is wrong and that applies even if I am not a government entity. Again. How can we have equality of opportunity unless we remove parents ability to give advantages to their children?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:15 PM
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Ok equal Access to opportunities. How does that factor in for the idea that some parents will give their children access to opportunities that some other children will not have? Should it be illegal for me to pay for a better school for my child because it gives them an opportunity other children don't have?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:11 PM
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But if I help my kids and not others I am giving them an unequal access to opportunities. That destroys equality of opportunity.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 03:10 PM
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I was told they were equal. I was lied to
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:53 PM
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So women are not equal and want to be treated in a way that ignores the ways in which they are inferior as workers.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:52 PM
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Should? So I guess it should be illegal for me to give any help to my children because that would give them a different opportunity compared to the kids that had no parents.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:51 PM
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This is the type of discrimination woman are fighting against. I know. But that discrimination is born out of a biological difference that does exist and has an economic impact. Let's reframe your bad logic with other bad logic: Why would I hire a man when he's more violent than a woman? Because that threat of violence is good. It is what keeps arguments from escalating to the point of being unmanageable. Why would I hire someone in a wheelchair for a job writing code? I don't see any reason why…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:50 PM
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It was when I was learning how to socialize
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:39 PM
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So legal equality. Not actual equality.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:28 PM
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in 100% of everything? no. in 99.999% of everything. Yes. Why would I hire a woman over a man all other things being equal considering one can get pregnant and suffers through monthly pains? You know this. Its intentionally misrepresenting what women mean when they want equality. And then using that misrepresentation to say "equality means they have the same libidos" is even worse logic It is ok when women say they want equality. My point is that they are not equal
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:28 PM
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That is not the same thing and you know it. No one is making men homeless. Indifference keeps them homeless. Keep regurgitating the manosphere, it’s working out so well for you. It is actually. Can't complain about the results. Btw women fight for housing justice more than men. Even though men are more typically to be homeless. I judge them by the results obtained.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:26 PM
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I am just saying. There are more homeless men than women. In order to get social equality then the same number of men and women should be homeless. Want equality? Then ask for it during the bad times as well? If you are asking for equality only when it suits women it is not asking for equality. It is asking for privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:07 PM
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Can you have the same opportunities as someone if you are not biologically equal? Come on
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 02:05 PM
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That is exactly what equal means.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:57 PM
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So then we should have more homeless women.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:53 PM
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If someone in my life is not playing the role I need them to play I remove them and change them for someone that will play it. I have only one life and I am not wasting it. I found my partner in a homeless shelter turn years ago. I have what she wants, she has what I want. Our roles were negotiated and established. We both play out role. That is all I want. Clear roles. A predictable life.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:53 PM
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I was a child. I was told that men and women are equal. I believed it. I applied it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:50 PM
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Cool; so guess that means these changes will not have a significant impact. I believe there would be a significant impact. Most women don't want to do what one needs to do to achieve a decent lifestyle and continue to do it until they die. They would rather have a state or man pay for it. Your premise is based off of a deeply held belief of women's basic inferiority to dudes. That's a whole other thing. Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:47 PM
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Yes. As men understand desire. Spontaneous. Non related to actions performed by women. Purely based on looks. Strong enough to influence actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:45 PM
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But why does a LTR give you the will to live, if you do not derive anything positive from it (or, the positives that most of us seek - support, respect, etc.) I don't know. or at a minimum, do not need those "positives" to remain in that relationship; what is it about that relationship that benefits you? I have a role to play in the life of someone. And I have someone playing a role in my life. That is all. I understand becoming depressed to the point of contemplating a toaster bath -- but that …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:44 PM
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They will have themselves. They are free to hire each other and trade with each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:40 PM
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Biological equality is a lie Thus equality is a lie. But women should be equal socially. Sure. Actual equality. We need more homeless women to balance the scale. Just to start.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:39 PM
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I know now. Women don't have anything a man would call true desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:38 PM
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I verified eventually. I found out that I was lied to. I was building reasoning on top of a lie. My presupposition was wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:37 PM
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I was said that men are women are equal. From that point I applied the reasoning explained above.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:32 PM
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Precisely. Equality is a lie
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:32 PM
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When I am outside a LTR I lose my will to live. For me it is about avoiding the desire to take a bath with a toaster.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:32 PM
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I didn't say anything about safety nor security. Just leaving them alone to be self sufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:31 PM
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I asked
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:30 PM
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Equal means the same in every way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:12 PM
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Of course. It is a debate tactic. You should know by now that I am not above anything when it comes to debating. You are one that dedicates entire posts talking about the wrong in men without talking about anything else even if pressed on it. You know how this works.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:11 PM
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Fathers are equally to blame. It is still a shame that we gave women any kind of responsibility though
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:05 PM
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So you lied to yourself. You assumed this was the case instead of actually confirming it that was the case It is not a lie. I can have spontaneous attraction. The lie was that women and men are equal. And that is not a lie I told to myself. That lie was told to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:04 PM
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Have you considered how this would play out for you, if you were on the receiving end of this "settling?" Yes. Maybe you imagine it would go the route of a fairytale that involves an arranged marriage where the couple eventually falls in love. But that's not what will happen. Instead she will resent you, and likely grow to detest you. In that situation, how do you rate your life? Depends on her actions. I don't give a fuck about what she thinks or feels. We are both playing a role and a role is …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:03 PM
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The fact that you can’t explain how you got to that conclusion says something. I did. I will repeat it. I am a man. I as a man can have spontaneous attraction. Men and women are equal. Therefore women can have spontaneous attraction. He still has to grow and learn out of it like every other person race poorly did. Does not change the fact that he is starting from behind and the damage is already done. Thinking he deserves an endless supply of pity is entitlement and manchild behavior. The refusa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:01 PM
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They like variety that one woman cannot quench Most men will never be attractive enough to get that variety so this point only applies in a meaningful actionable way to a minority of men. They are not attracted to signs of aging that is inevitable to happen over time If she is a living adult female she will be attractive enough to most men. Some men would even ignore the lack of one of those traits. They are also not attracted to the effects of pregnancy (saggy breasts, stretch marks, loose stom…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:58 PM
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Talks of Equality has never told men this. It is the logical conclusion that comes from accepting equality. There comes a time in a normal adult’s life where they have to admit they were raised poorly. Sure. And the consequences of being raised poorly are not his fault. The ones to blame are the ones that lied to him Hearing a guy bitch about how he’s dehydrated after we keep watching him ruin his water supply is extremely annoying. We’re not giving you sympathy for your own problems that you cr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:51 PM
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This is just my premise- if we accept it as true- what can men realistically do (knowing that we as women AREN'T going back)? Make single life horrible between the boundaries of the law. Vote to reduce or remove all help the state gives to women. Refuse to have any positive interaction with any single woman and/or anyone that has a positive interaction with single women. Remove from law any intervention that forces employers to accept someone they don't want to hire (single women). Just give men…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:49 PM
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Porn made guys think that was realistic. Equality did. I am a man. I as a man can have spontaneous attraction. Men and women are equal. Therefore women can have spontaneous attraction. No one told them sex was a reward for niceness. Yes. We were told that in many ways by many people in our lives. Specially people that are supposed to care for children and teach them/give them tools to succeed. Men literally desire sex more than anything else, and they will happily settle into place for a bit, if…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:43 PM
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It is embarrassing that women are responsible for teaching young men wrong. For sure. They are liars that are hurting their own children.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 12:38 PM
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Whatever. As long as the rules are clear I will play. If I am judged by things I can control easily then the better for me. If I am judged by things I can't control or that are hard to change then the path would be harder. I would like if I was valued for things that I find easy to control such as cooking skills/chores/altruism in bed. Just because it requires less effort than the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 11:59 AM
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Proud to treat object like women... I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/26 01:07 AM
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I found my partner 10 years ago in a homeless shelter in South America (I am from the same country). I could give her a life and lifestyle she could never get on her own. She could give me a life and lifestyle I could never get on my own. Trade happened. Trade continues to happen today.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:54 PM
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If I have options then I would not pick a "I probably didn't see you. If I did I didn't even remember you"
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 09:01 PM
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I was an option available, willing and easy to establish communication with. I was not picked.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 08:52 PM
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Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 07:46 PM
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If I don't have options then the answer is always yes. Any is better than none. If I have options then no. I was already rejected before and if I have the option to date someone that did not reject me in the past instead I would take that option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 06:59 PM
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Thank you for providing more arguments in my favour. Of course women would rather date Epstein than someone that stays inside all day.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 04:34 PM
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I believe men can love bodies instead of traits. I don't say it is common. Parents seem able to love their kids no matter the traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 02:18 PM
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They were loved for a trait present in what they are (body) they lost that trait. If your argument is that the trait was loved instead of the body/identity, then I agree. But said trait was present in what that human is.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:39 PM
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That there are more evil women interested in Epstein than any kind of woman interested in an unmasculine, shy, weak incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:38 PM
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Not true. I remain myself no matter what I do. No human stop being themselves just for changing their behavior. It is entirely impossible to stop being yourself because you are your body.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 03:14 AM
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We are engaging in behavior that exists outside of the body right now. No we are not. Without a body there is no thought, no typing. Phrases like “you’ve changed” and “I’m not the man I used to be” are phrases for a reason. Because people are wrong. They are the same person after changing. People become different people all the time. Not the case. Same person, different behavior. And it’s not by gaining weight or getting a haircut. Does a human retain identity when they change in attractiveness?…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/26 12:03 AM
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Can a behavior exist outside a body? Does a human retain their identity if they change their behavior?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 10:20 PM
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A human is a body and the electrical/chemical patterns that distinguish it from a corpse. Wanting someone just because they are a woman is wanting someone because they have a vagina. A human is a body. Not because of who they are. See above. Wanting someone because they are attractive is also wanting someone because of an external quality. Not external. Part of the body. Personality is who you are. If you are talking about the electrical/chemical patterns I agree. If you are talking about action…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/26 06:52 PM
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The only consensual sex he had was presumably Ghislaine, and she is an evil rapist herself. So he was not an incel. That doesn’t mean all women are like Ghislaine ffs. Not what I said. What I said is that when you look at a man like Epstein not being an incel and at the same time you se innocent weak, unmasculine, shy men be incels we can see which traits are more likely to make a man unattractive to women and which traits/actions are not enough to make a man unattractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 10:44 PM
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Have you ever, even once, written a letter to a lady from your area's women's prison? No If not: why? Two reasons. The first one is that I try to reward moral behavior and punish inmoral behavior. So when it is possible I try to never interact with criminals. Second reason: I would have too much competition. I rather spend my time and effort in someone that has no other option but me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 02:39 PM
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I am going to answer your points. I hope you answer mine instead of avoiding them. the only thought i could think reading that was 'what would you want someone to do for you? Two options. Nothing or if they do something for me they get to expect a reward and I will provide. if you don't operate from that standpoint then theres nothing to talk about as i cant change a core belief for you I can operate from that standpoint. I used it and told you what I would want someone to do for me. Your turn. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 01:45 AM
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I would help. And I would get my return even if the one I helped is not willing to give it to me. I will make sure to get reputation and use it for my advantage. There are so many people that owe me favors and so many people that payed me those favors because I "helped expecting nothing in return" The action is the same "helping". Then I make sure I got my return.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/07/26 12:03 AM
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We are different, our actions will not be. I can't get profit without people.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:56 PM
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Fair point. Good thing serial killers have more women attracted to them than shy incels. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:56 PM
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Remove the genders from my sentence and it remains valid. The excuse of "society works better when" can be used to make anyone entitled to someone elses's actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:52 PM
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Yeah, at that point no one is doing it to actually care and only doing it for the reward. That is called "trade" and it is the thing that keeps society working I would avoid people like this in life, as they're generally greedy and the kind to f**k you over to get ahead. The problem is not with greed, the problem lies in being short sighted. If you fuck up people to get ahead you get short term profit. If you develop a positive relationship through trade you gain a small benefit now and continue…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:50 PM
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The thing is, when you say that human X is entitled to help. You are also saying that human Y is obligated to help. And when it comes to dangerous situations you are also saying that Y is obligated to put their own well being at risk for the benefit of X.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:46 PM
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Already did. Already found miss moral. In a homeless shelter in South America. That ignores the point. The point is that if under the excuse of "society works better when..." we can say women are entitled to men defending them against danger even to the detriment of the men defending them, then using the same excuse we can say men are entitled to relationships with women even to women's detriment.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:44 PM
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Fair. So the discussion was derailed then. Are women entitled to help when in danger? Are women entitled to men risking their lives for them? Are women entitled to that and men should expect nothing in return?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:42 PM
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I think every human is under obligation to care about other human lives, but apparently thats where society has gone wrong. And I believe that only works when there is a benefit for doing so. Punish helping people severely and see how those actions become rare. Reward those behaviors and see how they become commonplace. If you want something for helping someone, it isn't helping, and I'd rather avoid you all together as well, to be honest. Fair. I rather spend time with people that understand an…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:41 PM
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Using the word should, means I would hope people wouldn't stand by and watch as someone gets attacked, raped or otherwise I was under the impression that to say someone "should" do something meant that they were under the obligation, legal, moral or of some other kind, to do something. but hey, there are assholes in the world, so at least we can spot them when something happens so we know who to avoid all together. Fair. I am all about allowing people to take informed decisions. I would also lik…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:34 PM
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My turn. Society works better when all men get to have a partner and children of their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:31 PM
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You can do both. Hold the aggresors accountable by sending them to jail and tell the victims to improve their self defense strategies
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:30 PM
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You did use the word "should". Usually the word "should" comes with an entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:28 PM
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So... everyone is entitled to anyone's body in these scenarios?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:25 PM
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The latter and it is not even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 09:49 PM
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Was Epstein an incel? Because if not, then I am right
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 08:45 PM
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Fair. Who these women are will have an impact on who they choose. This is irrelevant to the innocent men that remain incels for being weak/unmasculine/shy while criminals are not incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 07:00 PM
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why are the characteristics of the woman irrelevant to whom she chooses to have a relationship with? Because "who she whooses" does not care. A relationship is better than no relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 06:32 PM
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Those traits and qualities don't change the fact that not being an incel is better than being an incel. So those traits are irrelevant to the man in question
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:57 PM
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Because nor being an incel is better than being an incel. And the qualities or traits of the woman that makes the decision on the matter are not relevant to that.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:50 PM
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Wrong question. Better results than whom? Better results than non criminals that happen to be shy, unmasculine, weak.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:40 PM
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Convicted felons have a proven history of their crimes. Still get better results. Displaying misogyny does not seem to be a factor
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 05:28 PM
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I guess I am not people and proud of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 04:55 PM
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It is how every single social interaction works. You decide if what others around you deserves from your part a reward, a punishment or neither.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:43 PM
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I don't propose to do that. But if I was proposing it I would go for the following. All men without an exception treat adult women outside relationships as social pariahs. No job opportunities, no talking to. Spitting at floor at the sight of them. No social interaction. Voting against their interest so we can remove any help the state would provide to them. Refusing to help them in any way. Apply the same to any woman or man that associates with an adult single woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:40 PM
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Why do you specify women is my question? Because it is already well known and accepted that a woman that is hot will get what she wants from men even if she is horrible in her actions. That is not in discussion. What we are discussing is how in the eyes of women, being weak, unmasculine and shy is worse than being Epstein.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:36 PM
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So sluts and pick mes don't exist anymore? There are less of them than would otherwise be. I'm not seeing any evidence of that anywhere. There's a lot of different in-groups and these people usually weren't part of certain in-groups anyway. Why would they give a shit if some pathetic online loser tries to shame them? Numbers. If enough people consider you shit and don't want to have nothing to do with you, you are likely to change your ways. If I'm doing something that's not against the law but …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:35 PM
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I never speak about "shoulds" there are no "shoulds"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:33 PM
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And they still get better results after they are caught
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:30 PM
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Epstein was extremely socially accepted by everyone including and especially men I know. It is like doing everything he did had no real impact on people liking him. Why would you expect someone who was this accepted by his contemporaries to be shunned by women I don't. My entire point is that being shy, weak and unmasculine is worse in the eyes of women than running a pedophile ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 03:01 PM
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In the same way slut shaming is done. In the same way pick mes are treated. Just make Known that whoever participates in X behavior is scum to be removed from the ingroup and considered a pariah.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:50 PM
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Every single human is in charge of deciding which behavior they reward and which behavior they punish.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:43 PM
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You can't control then but you can apply social pressure. Women are quite vulnerable to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:42 PM
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Or sorry they dislike weak and shy women more than they like criminals I fail to understand. Who is the one that dislikes weak and shy women more than they like criminals?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:42 PM
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where her single life is the standard men have to beat. Our bad. We made single life too comfortable. Until men decide that single life should be hell this result is on us.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:35 PM
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Where is the argument that criminality repels women? I haven't seen that here. Fair. It is a more vague "misogyny repells women" and that suddenly does not apply for serial killers. Visible misogyny repels women. Do you disagree? I disagree. Serial killers that kill women have more results than non misogynistic incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:11 PM
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So you accept that being mediocre is worse on the eyes of women than being Epstein. Considering Epstein was not an incel, It is clear mediocrity is more repellent than running a pedophile ring.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 02:09 PM
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Well that is even worse. Good to know. Now it makes more sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:19 PM
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The “perfect guy” could live 3 streets away from me. If I never meet or interact with him how the heck am I supposed to know? By coming across him and giving him a chance. Womens attractions aren’t the same as men’s. Most of us don’t just see a guy we think is physically attractive and want to approach. We need a positive interaction. We need the flirty banter. So we can finally throw away the idea that men and women are equal?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:17 PM
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Of course. I am not the one arguing that misogyny and criminality repels women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:15 PM
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The women who are attracted to men like Epstein aren’t the same women who could be attracted to weak, unmasculine, shy men. I am only seeing the number of women interested in each. The fact that they are not the same is not relevant. I can only filter through my options. Let's see how you define your options. An Epstein type is a fuck no for most women. And yet he gets better results. A weak, unmasculine, shy guy isn’t on my radar. He isn’t an option. He isn’t interacting with me. If I approach …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 12:06 PM
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Couldn’t tell you one of my neighbors names You are not interested in them. Proving my point. Not having a positive interaction with a person isn’t necessary for most men. Not most women. Where did equality go? Because the type of person who is attracted to those types of people know where to find them. They are also mentally unwell. As I said before in this thread. Quality does not matter. Any is better than none. Not being an incel is better than remaining an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:47 AM
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If a weak, unmasculine, shy guy wasn’t weak, unmasculine and shy he would have the same odds. That defeats the point of the comparison. The point is to compare Epstein against a man that is not in charge of a pedophile ring. He just happens to be shy, weak and unmasculine. Clearly a worse sin that pedophilia considering the results Epstein got compared to this hypothetical man. How attractive is he? Irrelevant. Can't be morally worse than what Epstein did.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:29 AM
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I was talking about women. But it also applies to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:27 AM
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Where are women being introduced to weak, unmasculine, shy men? They live around them. Where are those men positively interacting with women? Not necessary. Woman who would possibly like those types of men aren’t the same as those that are wanting and interacting with criminals. As I said before. That is irrelevant. Serial killers get more results. That is wrong. There’s literally sites for people to find people in prison. They make headlines. They are in the news. They attract a certain type of…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:26 AM
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So misogyny is not a factor. Charm is.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:14 AM
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Women that send love letters to serial killers get those serial killers more results than the results a shy and weak non masculine, non serial killer will ever get. So they are more common than women that date shy weak unmasculine men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:13 AM
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I feel you’re being disingenuous with me here, no one would describe finding and marrying a partner in their life like one would describe adopting a stray dog Please elaborate. Why not?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:11 AM
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So you’re a passport bro or whatever. I remained in the same country. I am from South America. The relationship is going to end one way or another, are you going to be ok without your partner or are you going to hop on immediately to the next poor foreigner to exploit. I would hop immediately to the next poor woman that is willing to take the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:10 AM
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Well your ultra rational, transactional approach doesn’t seem to be working. Found my partner 10 years ago and we are still together. The only benefit it gives is that you don’t need to acknowledge your own flaws and can blame everyone else for them, a comforting cowardly existence. See above. Benefit acquired. If you really were just transactional about love, you’d be hooking up with escorts, But you’re too poor for that lifestyle and it doesn’t seem like you want to work for it. Actions speak …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 11:01 AM
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If they were playing they would get worse results than Epstein. Agree or disagree?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:59 AM
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Cool. You ignored the point. If you’re not going playing the game. You’re not going to win. You are well aware that this men can play the game for years and will never pull as much/many as Jeffrey Epstein
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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The world isn’t fair. If it was fair, laws wouldn’t need to exist to stop exploitation and violence. The world is not fair because people pick unfairly. Like choosing the rapist over the shy weak man. Rejection isn’t a failing on your character, it’s an acknowledgement of an incompatibility between two people. A flaw in the man's character that creates such incompatibility. You can change yourself as much as you want but you can’t change other people. Be happy they don’t pretend to be interested…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:53 AM
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If you’re not going playing the game. You’re not going to win. You are well aware that this men can play the game for years and will never pull as much/many as Jeffrey Epstein
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:48 AM
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Yes. And I do. Anyone that acts in the way I find fair gets help. Anyone that acts in the way I find unfair gets nothing
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:46 AM
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Since when is the world fair? It is not. So we make it as fair as it can be and we punish the people that refuse to do so. During the entire human history we are trying to make the world a fair place. Different definitions of that term go to war.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:42 AM
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That implies that you’re entitled to their love because your more virtuous or whatever No. Believing in fairness and being entitled are two different things. If you were as virtuous as you claim to be, you would be ok with the rejection as it is something you cannot control. Why would I be ok with an action that creates an unfair situation? I can accept that it exists. But I don't have to accept it as moral or good or acceptable. You can be the juiciest peach but someone would only want an apple…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:40 AM
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I can't access anyone's mind. The end result is the same as dislike. The criminals on the list get better results than weak, unmasculine, shy men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:37 AM
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The quality of the women that decide to date those men is absolutely irrelevant. Any is better than none.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:36 AM
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Read this subreddit. It is common for women to say that incel's hate from women can be seen by them and that is the reason they don't get any.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:34 AM
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This is an argument that supports OPs position
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:34 AM
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Men are quite open about how much looks matter when it comes to attracting a man. Men are not the ones saying that women without partners are failing because they are evil/criminals. If anything they say they are failing because they are older and can't compete in looks against younger women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:33 AM
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Irrelevant. For anyone with a sense of fairness it is morally wrong that the men mentioned by OP get better results than non criminals.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:30 AM
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Which women? Enough of them. To the point that those men mentioned have better results than innocent incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:28 AM
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This does not contradict OP..if anything it provides another argument to support that position
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:27 AM
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The word "only" was not used by OP. Men are quite open about how much looks matter. Women are the ones that say incels lack of success is rooted in their hatred of women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/26 10:26 AM
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Point to the hypocrisy. Different circumstances require different judgment. People that can pick from options get judged for picking wrong People without options don't get judged because they are not picking
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:07 PM
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Well... Women in countries that recognize women's rights have less children than women on countries that don't. The same applies to wealth. The wealthier the country the lower the birthrates.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 06:46 PM
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Well of course. Women have options to pick from. Men tend to not have those.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:33 PM
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I am not aware of this channel/person. Will check it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 01:18 PM
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The bigger the change you inflicte upon the world the bigger the unintended consequences. Instead of playing God it is safer for everyone included the one in control of said power to do something mundane with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:49 AM
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And men are the ones that enforce the rights of black men as well. Seriously. There is no society in which women get rights without men wanting the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:43 AM
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Women revolted and earned those rights that were reserved only for men. And men were and still are the ones that enforce those rights. If all men decide women have no rights there is no revolt that gives women anything. See literally every single society on earth. Unless there are men defending women's rights there are no women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:35 AM
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I would go for something more broad like "mind/will control" Anything that removes the hassle of having to deal with the free will of others would be good. It is more broad than just sex. I just don't like to deal with humans that refuse to play the role I need them to play. I remove people from my life if they don't fit in the role I need them in and I spend a considerable amount of time and effort to create incentive structures that keep the people around me in the role I need them. Anything t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:34 AM
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There is no place on earth outside the reach of the state and no way for anything other than a state to defend itself against a state. The state is for now the superior organization when it comes to the use of force. And the use of force determines what is possible and not. Unless you have a way to win against the state, it is useless to be against it. I am not going to waste my only life on a battle I can't win.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 10:25 AM
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Because as long as any state exist there is no libertarianism possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:03 AM
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You know we have guns right? Men have those too. Since the invention of guns men are still the ones enforcing rights. Is all you bring to the table. What Rambo fever dream do you live in that "saving" Women from OTHER MEN means you should be given sex? That was not part of anything I said. Mainly because of the word "should" If you are a moral human and an adult you would realize you protect people's rights because they are human not because you want pussy. I am not. I am a merchant. Everything …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 05:02 AM
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So you discovered Alpha Fucks / Beta Bucks. That is well known. As long as you get what you want there is no reason to care about the details. You will never, ever know what lies in the mind of anyone. Your partner included. The only thing you can measure are actions. If you get her to do what you want whether she does it because of your looks or because of your money makes no difference. Get what you want in the way you can.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:27 AM
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When a vibrator can protect woman against the men that want to take those rights away then and only then the vibrator will win. The only reason that thought can be considered and said is because there are enough men protecting the rights women still have.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/26 12:22 AM
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Giving rights to the detriment of self-interest? What rights were exactly taken away from men in the west to the detriment of their self interest? None. Men gave women rights to the detriment of men's self interest. Voting rights? Oh no, men took that away from women. Incorrect. Women had no rights to be taken away in the first place. Then men gave those rights to women. Property rights? Oh no, men again took that away from women. Incorrect. Women had no rights to be taken away in the first plac…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/26 08:07 PM
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But it is equal. Mindset or not that is the way equality looks like. No special treatment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:38 PM
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So your problem is with equality and not lack of sympathy
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 04:17 PM
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You are unable to understand how deeply I envy that position.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 03:28 PM
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Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:36 PM
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Well those are two bodies and therefore different entities. Their traits may be similar or even the same. The role they might fulfill may even be the same. There is a difference. Both are different entities.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 12:33 PM
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My bad. "A human is a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it that distinguish it from a corpse"
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:53 AM
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The first will never happen because women don't value men the way men value women. (A human is a body and the only way to value someone for what they are is to value the body) The latter is the only option. And I am more than ok with playing the only game I can play.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:44 AM
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Yes, no one is a very special snowflake Then everyone is replaceable for someone else that meets the standards. I'm sure even with very specific details, there's thousands of other men like me. See above The point is to connect with someone who meets your standards, but those standards have to select for things that actually have meaning beyond just looks and financial prowess. No. Those standards don't have to select for things that "have meaning" as you define whatever "have meaning" is. Those…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:13 AM
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If I want to be in a relationship with someone in particular, it means there's something about them as a person that attracts me to them. Anyone that meets your high standards. Not someone in particular. That is how standards work. Low or high. If I just want someone to be my partner, just to not feel lonely, there's nothing special about who they are, they're fundamentally replaceable. They are replaceable only if someone else is willing and able to fill the role. Is this difference hard to und…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 11:00 AM
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There's a common idea that people who have low standards are less picky (which is tautologically true), and that they are therefore more loving, more understanding, more accepting, and therefore less judgemental and forgiving; that they are more capable of loving deeply, or that they overlook specific flaws or traits. Compared to the people that have high standards. Which is true. Because the people with high standards are less likely to be loving, understanding, accepting, less judgemental and …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 10:40 AM
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I don't agree that a man transitioning is any kind of woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/26 02:12 AM
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You are well aware that is not the case. You know it. Everyone knows it.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 09:46 PM
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You can be ignorant, gross and correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:38 PM
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✋
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:26 PM
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But is it wrong?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 07:25 PM
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Equality is equality. The change required to get it can be for the better or for the worse. It is still equality
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 05:37 PM
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Holy long text. Men have no sympathy towards women In the west men have it. If you want to see how it looks when men don't have it look at the Islamic world. This is a long time brewing post, and it's going to be a long read. Long answer then. A lot of times here in debates i see men claim that women are treated better, that people are sympathetic to women automatically, simply because they are women. But is it so? Yes. Compared to men at least. In the western world. A lot of times i saw men com…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 11:05 AM
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Yes. I know. So what? My point is that men are doing something. And they can stop doing that something if they are not getting what they want from society.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/26 01:06 AM
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Yeah, and now men in Afghanistan are rebelling against their incel overlords. Of course. Anyone that manages to piss off enough men gets kicked out. And rn, they are trying to turn us into Afghanistan but a Christian version. So, we do genuinely have to fight Christian fascism especially with the current climate of right wingers deciding to take away women's rights to appeal the evil incels For sure. Better get those men some GFs before they vote too much.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:55 PM
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I don't believe humans are so different. If it can happen in Afghanistan then it can happen in the west. Just piss off enough men.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:40 PM
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If you kill my wife/kids cuz you can't get one yourself, imma stab you idc (I am a woman but from, you kill my loved ones, why would i desire you to be handled like a victim) Yeah... that does not bring anyone back. Better to go with the option that does not require violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 06:15 PM
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Ok. There is still no "want" and no "should" Back to the point then. Since men ARE putting criminals in jail they ARE doing something for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:53 PM
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If unselected men become a threat, society is more likely to get rid of them then placate them That only works if those men's numbers are small and if the rest of the men are willing to get rid of them. If the unselected men are a majority then you don't have the strenght to get rid of them. Nevermind what would happen if a majority of men are not pissed off to the point of wanting to break shit up but pissed off enough to just do nothing while the motivated ones do what they want. Why would the…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:52 PM
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Your question: What exactly are men bending over backwards to do??? My answer: Keeping people that infringe upon women's rights in jail. That is the point. There is no "should" in the point. There is no "want" in the point. Your follow up So you’re saying that men don’t want to put criminals in jail because they want to punish feminists. No. There was no "want" in anything I said. I asked you to quote in which part of the comment I said anything about "want" because I didn't say anything about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 04:13 PM
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I said the word "should"? Read again.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:16 PM
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If you want something but you can't get it/ achieve that, you have to change to get it, or accept you can't. Apply that to ratial segregation.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:44 AM
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Quote the part where I said that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 11:01 AM
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If that was the case I imagine most people would refuse to eat their own babies or to let other people eat their own babies. Proably it would devolve into tribalism in which some tribe subjugates another and eats their babies. If the tribe is subjugated for long enough they would end up as some kind of slaves dedicated to create babies for eating. See how easy it is to engage with a hypothetical scenario?
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:56 AM
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Keeping people that infringe upon women's rights in jail. Does that count as something that men do for women? Because it is something that men can just stop doing while leaving women to their own devices.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:38 AM
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Bro keep dreaming. Women are earning more than men now than ever. Accept realiry And those women are not precisely happy with the lives they have in order to earn more than men and enough on their own. No, they don't have a desirable personality to bring to the table. That's the real problem I don't care how much personality a homeless man has, chances are he is not getting laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:07 AM
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The entire point of the hypothetical is to assume that women know for sure that opposing abuse, sexual violence, discrimination and harassment makes society worse. Use your imagination. The point is not realism. The point is to figure out if women would choose society over themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/26 03:06 AM
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Still ignoring the hypothetical. Please address it
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:02 PM
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Those communities will forever lose to any state because states are the superior organization when it comes to using violence. As long as states are the superior organization when it comes to using violence fighting them/running from then is useless. The only sensible alternative is to try to make then as small and non interventionists as it is possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 10:01 PM
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Go off the grid and live your best anarcho capitalist life! As long as there is a state there is no "out the grid" No one is forcing you to exist in society as you are now. There is no place that is not affected by the existence of a state. States are good at using violence and therefore there is no point in believing you can run from them. Why do you need Daddy Government to change to validate your lifestyle? There is no place that is not affected by the existence of a state. States are good at…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:16 PM
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Would women choose society over their own interests? I gave you a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 06:13 PM
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I don't expect it. I am thankful when it happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:01 PM
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Fine by me.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 05:00 PM
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I don't expect anything from anyone. If I expect that then I would not be thankful.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:13 PM
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That's the issue of men then. I am not out here picking men to reward or grace with my mere presence You do it whether you want it or not I want to build a bond with someone where we know and understand each other deeply and moreso than anyone else and love each other. And you will create an incentive structure while doing so. This cannot be done if I am a walking g talkkng reward system. It can be done and it will be done because it can't be any other way. Shit men will pretend to be good to ge…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:12 PM
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I see this complaint here regularly. You do understand the state takes money from those who have it and gives it to those who do not including men? You do understand, to the extent many women get aid from the state it is because of children they are raising? Yes. I still believe the only way a human should get help is by convincing others to give help willingly without a state forcing it. More importantly, you do understand the state takes this money from women also to give to the less fortunate…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 04:08 PM
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This sets up the framework that women are rewards for men and their ability to not cause harm They are. Anything that someone wants is part of an incentive structure and therefore a reward. Why is it my job to give men who aren't shit people a reward? It is not. But you will create an incentive structure anyways. Because you are desired and through your picking you will tell men how they have to behave to get what they want. It makes me feel gross and like a state sanctioned prostitute Irrelevan…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:29 PM
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this is a man arguing women SHOULD be transactional and exchange sex they don't want for goods and money So far so good. That is correct to this point. and they should be dependents of men. That was not my point. My point is that women should not get resources from the state, they should get it directly from men. That way men get to pick the price. It is not moral that the state purse gun to a man's head and takes money from him to give it to women. Honestly, I don't think this is what most men …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 03:17 PM
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That's not the trade. The trade is you work for society because you benefit from society The only benefit men are interested in is access to women's bodies as you put it. If men are not getting it then why should they work for society instead of against it? Also, you ignored the rest of the post. Would women choose society over their own interests? I gave you a hypothetical.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:39 PM
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Again, if this is a man's main leverage, it's his problem, not society's. If those men decide that society is an enemy that does not provide them with what they want it is society's problem. The problem with society is, men haven't learnt how to be women's equals when it comes to domestic labour and child rearing. And frankly, I don't even seen it as a problem. If you can't learn to value add to someone else's life, don't be surprised if you stay single. Not everyone is meant to have a partner, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:37 PM
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I am thankful towards the women that through picking men that wouldn't have anyone if it wasn't for them, keep men from destroying society. I am not thankful towards the women that don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:35 PM
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Should other previously oppressed classes of people also thank you for not enslaving them or are women the only class of people who owes thanks for having basic human rights? Great point. Sure. It applies to all classes
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:33 PM
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But then, how will this make men less lonely or more sexed? Simple. The women that are unable to get everything they want from life on their own will have to get the rest through men and men will ask for sex in return.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:32 PM
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Why is men working for the good of society contingent on having access to women's bodies? Because that is how trade works. Either all parties get what they want or there is no trade. Women get radicalized from things like abuse, sexual violence, discrimination, harassment, etc. That is a reflection of what women want. And yet these women overwhelmingly become progressive to improve society, Not to improve society. To get what they want. Thought experiment. Let's say that women know for sure that…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 02:27 PM
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Good thing I am not interested in a woman's heart. I want her actions. And I absolutely can through logic convince a woman that doing what I want is the best possible option available to her.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:44 PM
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Islamic countries. Enough said.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:40 PM
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We remain in south America.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:40 PM
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Yes. That goes for everyone. I don't consider looking after your own interests evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 01:39 PM
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They don't need to because they live in a society that gives them a chance to live a life they find worth living. When you don't then... Well you can't expect anyone to simply accept living their entire life without said chance. People don't accept it. They will use the tools they have. Barbaric or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 12:03 PM
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Because women are not strong enough to take anything from men (as a group) through force.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/26 11:55 AM
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If I believed in god I would curse him for giving me the desire to live the lifestyle while not giving me the chance to get it. If protection means not having a chance to live the way I want then I don't want protection.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 10:06 PM
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Then it is on me to manipulate the men I picked. I am ok with that.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:13 PM
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I know it comes with a lot of risks and I am ok with that. As long as there is a realistic chance to live the way I want to live at least for a while I would take them. If everything falls apart it is my fault. Either I picked the wrong person or I fucked up something in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 08:05 PM
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I absolutely would Is taking on the reproductive burden, orgasm gap, motherhood penalty, beauty standards, physical weakness - worth it? Yes. Still, would you make that choice, do you think it could benefit you overall? If yes, how so? I don't get to make use of strength in any way that matters. There are laws against doing so. And that is good. I don't care about the orgasm gap. I want to have control about whether I am a parent or not during the whole process and not only before sex happens. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 07:57 PM
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Nah. Just joking. A few mistakes but the idea is clear enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/06/26 12:00 AM
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I don't know what is to debate here. Isn't it a good thing to be proud of how you are?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:46 PM
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Are we too hard on AI posts?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 11:44 PM
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Any show of weakness is something I see as an opportunity. People that are strong are people that don't need me. People that don't need me are more likely to leave.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:43 AM
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Tried it. Helped me buy time until I found a relationship. I don't carry it my whole life. Only when I am not in a LTR. And I am in a LTR now and have been in it for 10 years.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 10:42 AM
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Those are the folks who cry a lot, struggle to believe you when you say you love them, and then say they’ll probably kill themselves if you ever broke up. Didn't need to sell it that hard. I was already interested. They’re also more likely to cheat if the opportunity presents itself, because their desperation makes it hard to not pursue all forms of attention Fair. It is on me to create an adequate incentive structure and to reduce the chances of said opportunity presenting itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:30 AM
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There is plenty of things that give me joy. Mostly nerd things and the feeling of calm that comes with silence and not dealing with people. Joy does not increase my will to live. I tried. It only delays the inevitable. Also, it does not help that the things I tend to find joy in are not considered attractive. After I found myself in a relationship the issue of "not wanting to remain in the server" was solved. Any price is worth paying.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 04:01 AM
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though i’d argue that a man desperate for a relationship would actually do better with women with a backbone than without one Back to the question then. Also why can't his back bone be the goal that he holds dear?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:27 AM
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Because being outside a LTR makes me want to take a bath with a working toaster. To put it in a way that reddit does not frown upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:27 AM
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Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:19 AM
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Has to? Also why can't his back bone be the goal that he holds dear?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/06/26 01:18 AM
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Precisely what I said. He is not folding nor compromising in anything he holds dear for an end or goal. The goal is what he holds dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:49 PM
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Strenght is only a tool I use to get a relationship. If it gets in the way it is thrown away
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:48 PM
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there is something inherently unattractive about a man who might be willing to quickly fold or compromise on things he holds dear for an end goal Sounds like he holds that end goal dear and not whatever you thought he held dear.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:19 PM
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Lesson learned. Don't be up front. Become what others want from you. Take what you can get and shut up about it.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:18 PM
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there’s a difference between a man who is interested and intentional and upfront about what they want and a man who just wants a relationship, not necessarily caring that it’s with me But both options are perfectly compatible. A man can be interested, intention and upfront about wanting a relationship, not necessarily caring that it is with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:54 PM
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You didn't need to sell it that hard. I was already interested.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:52 PM
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That bypasses the whole concept of compatibility That is a positive thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:50 PM
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Is there a difference between pretending to be something and building yourself to be something in your mind?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 09:50 PM
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What do you think we were talking about when talking about "bare minimum" in this context? Because I believe it was quite obvious that we were talking about the bare minimum traits and qualities a man must have to be attractive enough to have a relationship. Not necessarily a good relationship, not healthy relationship, not attractive partner. Just a relationship with any woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 08:03 PM
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So it is not a bare minimum then.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:59 PM
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If the bare minimum was only the basic parts of being an adult there would not be any adult man without a partner/girlfriend/wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 07:32 PM
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Its not some kind of demented schedule bro, you dont need to be allocating segments of your day 'upkeeping your social skills' If I don't I lose them. nor does keeping fit require hours every day at the gym. That is why I added other activities to get to those 2 hours a day. Stop dodging the question. We didn't even get to other traits required to get to bare minimum. How does something that require so much time get to be considered low effort?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 01:06 PM
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No. Read again. I said two hours a day to include development and up keeping of social skills, level of fitness, dressing and hygiene. All of those. Obviously I used conservative and general numbers. Maybe one day you spend two hours socializing, some other day you spend more hours at the gym. But averaging all of those activities I gave it two hours a day. Now back to the question you.are not answering. I didn't even consider other traits that need time to develop and upkeep and we are getting …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 11:50 AM
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But you are the one arguing that a job is not even bare minimum and seem to know what bare minimum is. Also you seem to believe it is not that much effort. Let's say the bare minimum includes a job (8 hours a day considering commute). I imagine some level of fitness and social skills maybe are part of the minimum. Both of those require time. Let's not forget dressing and hygiene. Let's say two hours a day? I don't know if there is anything else but being generous with the time required and consi…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:54 AM
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You still didn't told me how many hours I would have left for myself after I did everything I have to do to meet the bare minimum requirements. Care to tell me which percentage of my life would I get to keep for myself after all that? Don't need to be exact just a ballpark number after sleep is accounted for. I would even accept poor sleep just to increase the percentage a little bit. Which percentage of my life would I keep for myself after doing everything that needs to be done to meet the min…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:33 AM
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Anything that requires you to spend close to a third of all the hours in your life is high effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:18 AM
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Forgot to add the hours you need to spend to achieve the rest of the list that is actually bare minimum
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 10:17 AM
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Personally I don't want to be chosen. To be chosen means there were other options. If there were other options those options either are still out there or they can be there again in the future. I want stability. I don't want to be chosen between options. I want the be the only option.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:29 AM
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I said "alternative". As in, not the current option available today. Because that way is not working and there is not an alternative is the reason red pill thrives.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:10 AM
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Any answer to the questions?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/26 02:09 AM
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Ok, less than the bare minimum requires you to spend how many hours a day doing something you would rather not do? How much time do you have to spend to meet the other requirements that are actually bare minimum? How much time a day is left to actually do something you want to do after you meet that bare minimum?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 11:54 PM
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A job means at least 8 hours of your day gone and that does not even consider the time at the gym. If the requirement is to waste half of your waking hours at least then for sure it is high effort.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:54 PM
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Why, then, do suppose you guys defend it with your lives? It is in the title. Society has failed to provide an alternative. And to be clear. An alternative means a path in which men can get sex, relationsips and children. If a man can't get those then it is not an acceptable alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 10:53 PM
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The same problem there is when I decide to hire X over Y. Y does not get what they want so they get to complain.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 08:31 PM
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Always complaints.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 07:52 PM
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Under the same logic one should not complain about bad conditions at work because any work is better than no work I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/26 02:48 AM
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No alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:45 PM
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You don't need to have an abundance of options laying at you feet to go actively search our the type of person you will actually like. That is not the argument. The argument is that you need the options in order to PICK. Not to search. The lazier you are in your search for a partner the more likely you are to meet people who aren't a good fit for yourself. If you want to rely solely on online dating you either better be really good at creating a profile or ok dating people who are less than what…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:43 PM
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Yes. They should keep pursuing women that are incompatible because any is better than none
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 11:42 PM
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I don't know how you managed to come up with this hypohetical scenario but I am interested in seeing what women think about it
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 03:31 PM
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So morals and values on't matter, eh? Not what I said. I said that I, personally, care more about my partner (that I picked based on my own morals and valuess) than prejudice. Good. We won't hear any more complaints from you that women should reward sex to "good men, right?" See above Good men aren't bigots toward gay people. If those are your morals, defend them. I have nothing against it. Funny how even a sociopath (you claim) has no trouble holding completely inconsistent positions based on w…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:45 AM
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Logic error based on a false premise. I quoted the premise from previous comment. Not my premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/26 02:42 AM
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Sure. If she can find him and is able to attract him and keep him for the long term.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:53 PM
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tolerate prejudice, is what this boils down to? What it boils down to is to pick what matters to you and act accordingly. If you care about prejudice more than you care about your partner then sure, don't accept prejudice. we’re on the same page that homophobia is a prejudice, right? genuine Qs i’m more fascinated than anything by this take Yes. Same page. I care about my partner more than I care about prejudice. So I would tolerate it.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:52 PM
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why be with someone who gives ultimatums anyway? I don't remember when anyone brought up ultimatums. the gay friend isn't the issue, she's not the issue, the husband is the issue. Depends on the perspective. why go through all of this when there are men out there who won't even make this whole thing an issue. Maybe because humans are complex and they have positives and negatives. even in your first point already there is ultimatums and ranking system in a relationship that doesn't require a rank…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:47 PM
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Bloodless? That is new. Thank you I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 05:42 PM
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Would you like it if your gf or wife affectionately called you her “Wallet ATM 🥰”? Of course you wouldn’t. Speak for yourself. No man would. Hi. Man here. Because it’s dehumanizing and reduces him down to his ability to provide money. Way too late for that. I already accept that.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:28 PM
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what if a woman has a gay brother or a gay best friends and her boyfriend or husband is homophobic? That would mean picking between husband and gay best friend. Pick the one that is more important. If the woman picks the gay best friend, then that just means the gay best friend position is more important than the husband position and she will leave any kind of husband if they come at odds with gay best friend. what if she has a trans girl in her friend group and her boyfriend is transphobic? Sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:24 PM
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Then why antagonize with them?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:14 PM
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Men are stronger than women so what can woman realistically do. Accept reality.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 04:14 PM
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Women will never accept to pay for a kid they didn't even want to exist. Women not only want control over pregnancy, they want control over the consequences of having sex. It is not enough to have the right to interrupt the pregnancy if they can still be held responsible in any way.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 03:19 PM
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You do understand that men are also the ones that implemented and enforce the laws that give women control over their bodies and reproductive gametes?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:47 PM
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How abut I don't deny it precisely so you weigh the situation you are in. Just for a change of pace.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 01:44 PM
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The thing with freedom and autonomy is that you can use those to make other's lives worse and you can't blame them for reacting.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/26 12:25 PM
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Hi Lilith. This is really what women mean when they say nice guys are entitled. Because so many guys want a reason ( a trophy) for being the bare minimum of decent himan beings. That is how the world works. Populations react to incentives. You want a world filled with people that act good and avoid acting bad. Then punish bad and reward good. However, none of them seem to have ever asked themselves “Why should people put up with my shitty attitude?” "Because all other options available to that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 10:28 PM
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Or good sense for making cost benefit analysis
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/26 03:26 PM
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And proud of being that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:15 PM
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Doesn’t matter, that’s what they want from you, and therefore they care about you more than your friends and family It does matter. They want the productivity, not me (the body) And friends are family if they care about what I do instead of what I am (a body), care about me exactly as much. Zero. Because the only way to care about me (a body) is to care about the body and not what the body does.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 08:29 PM
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Not at all. They want the productivity and they would take that productivity without my body if it was possible and made financial sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 07:23 PM
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Replace the human with a robot. Productivity without a human body.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 06:28 PM
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No it is not. Because the body can exist while being unproductive
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:26 PM
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Why is that unfair? Serial killer gets better results than non serial killer. Results are measured in number of women interested. Quality of women is not relevant. It is based on so many false assumptions. Such as "fairness matters"? Nevertheless it being fair is irrelevant as life is unfair. Bad argument. Using that logic slavery is acceptable because life ris unfair. It’s unfair the serial killer was even killing people. For sure. It is even more unfair that he gets more women interested in hi…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 05:26 PM
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A single instance of a serial killer that has more women interested in them than a non serial killer is unfair. That is all. You don't need a significant percentage of women to create such scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:11 PM
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You statement wasn’t about your humanity, it was about who “cares” about you. And in order to care about me they must care about what/who I am (my body) and not what I do. And according to your definition, people who seek to use your body for their own gratification, whether you want them to or not, “care” about you more than people who don’t. Correct. That is because of the definition of what "me" is. A body. A gay man raping you or an employer who forces you to destroy your body through hard p…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:10 PM
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Well of course. No manipulator that knows what they are doing would do so in such a way
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 03:57 PM
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Well you can be manipulative without lying. Then why use a definition of manipulation that includes lying?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:00 PM
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Found my partner 10+ years ago. Already got what I wanted using my methods.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:04 AM
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Newsflash. Most men would rather go through that than be incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:00 AM
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I'm also disabled as I have multiple disabilities and he was being paid to be my carer from the government so yeah. So he was stealing tax money as well. Quite a POS. Someone who controls, influences, or exploits others in an underhanded, deceptive, or unfair manner. It is manipulative because it's lying to decieve to reap rewards and benifits. Fair. If you define manipulation in a way that includes lying then sure Why make a distinction between the two then?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 11:00 AM
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Right in the place no one can see and there is no evidence of it existing.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:58 AM
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Are you sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:45 AM
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You would not be able to see the difference between someone that helps because they are a good person and someone that is doing it out of a selfish reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:44 AM
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Simply refusing to ever do it, even when I begged and pleaded and after I had surgery and was in recovery. Refusing to do something is not using force. But I do give you that when you are vulnerable after a surgery anything can feel like a threat It was being manipulative, because if he had told me he never intended to clean I'd of broken up and never lived with him. That would be lying by omission. Not saying the truth with the intent of making the other party assume something beneficial. Not m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:43 AM
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You don't have to be a twat to manipulate people. Doing favors to someone in such a way that they feel in debt towards you to collect the favor in a latter day is manipulation. No damage. No lies. Just providing help with selfish motives to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:41 AM
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That sounds like lying by omission. Also Forced you? Which force did he use?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:40 AM
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I agree with the lying part. All your examples are about lying. You can manipulate without lying. It is better in the long term
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:35 AM
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I am not going to do anything. If anything happens it will be because a majority, or at least a big plurality of the population decides it needs to happen. For what? Because me voting for the benefits of others is not free. I can do it. Someone has to give me what I want so I do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 10:01 AM
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Democracy already votes to opress the people that break the law.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 04:32 AM
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Ah, and like clockwork, you are back to claiming this exceptionally tiny minority of women are actually super important and it doesn’t matter one tiny bit whether they are evil horrible women. They are not important. They are (partially) responsible for an unfair situation. They are women, so no matter how evil they are, you would gladly reward them for their terrible behavior with your undivided attention. If they valued my attention then we could say I am rewarding them. They don't. And that i…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:41 AM
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Because it fails to be a democracy if you vote for someone's oppression We can vote a government that legislates the oppression of murderers. We did it. I guess it is no longer a democracy. You can vote a dictator in as a democracy, but once he is in, it is no longer a democracy If the dictator was voted in and he can be voted out then it is not a dictator.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:39 AM
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Do you think slave masters choosing stronger slaves for their bodies cared about them as a human being? No. They cared about their productivity. The results of their actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 01:37 AM
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So how is indifference and voting against your interests unacceptable in a democracy? I mean I get that you think that if your freedom ends because I want sex that makes me bad, but that is not the question. The question is if it is unacceptable in a democracy for a man to vote and be indifferent.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/26 12:32 AM
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Voting is legal. Not putting myself at risk in a violent situation is legal. I am pretty sure I remain inside the rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:02 PM
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It’s strange because when I said that interest means nothing if it’s not acted upon you disagreed but that is the basis which you use to determine that a criminal gets more interest than a non-criminal. The criminal is willing to act on the fact that other women want him while the good guys isn’t that’s the difference. No. The difference is the number of women interested. You just made that up with zero evidence. Serial killers have women interested in them. Non serial killer incels exist. That …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:01 PM
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Sure. Still missing the point. I can be productive or unproductive and will still remain the same human. So whatever makes my identity is not in my productivity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 07:12 PM
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Yes. And I am the body. Not the use.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:49 PM
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I am the body, not the productivity. The one who cares about productivity does not care about me.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:34 PM
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Should not? Are you an arbiter on what should be?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:55 PM
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My job does not care about my body. He cares about my actions being productive. Same as the government.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 05:54 PM
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Sure. If we accept what you say as true and my definition then they don't care about me
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:12 PM
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This isn’t really unfairness, though. The majority of women end up with average men. Why measure fairness at the end and not during the whole process? The world reflects that, therefore there is not much unfairness born simply out of the small percentage of women going for awful men. Any amount of unfairness is unfair. Also, how is the quality of the women not relevant? Because a woman interested in you is a woman interested in you now matter the quality of said woman. A woman who has a preferen…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 04:01 PM
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I never said men were good in this aspect.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:58 PM
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My job cares about the results provided by my body. Not about my body.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:57 PM
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Why would that be fair? It just assumes romantic interest is a reward for being good it has nothing to do with “fairness”. Because either everything is subject to fairness or nothing is. But if the interest isn’t acted upon it means nothing. Says you. Plenty of good men have multiple women interested in them. Good. Not enough. Serial killers have more women interested in them than a boring non criminal. You think a man like Obama doesn’t have multiple women interested in him? The point is he’s n…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:03 PM
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Sure. All morality is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:58 PM
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Yes, tax payers are owed a service from their government because they have paid for it in their taxes. That is literally what taxes are. Unless the majority decides they are not owed shit. Because democracy allows for that to happen. The argument you are using is lazy anyways. Women’s vaginas are not arbiters of morality because that is not their function—whether they care about morality in who they pick or not is irrelevant to this fact. Things are what they are used for. There is no inherent p…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:58 PM
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That if someone must be harmed in order for you to get what you want makes you bad. So if someone wants something that if true makes me love my life without getting what I want then that someone is bad because they are harming me? I want many things in life, but I cannot feel comfortable taking away the rights and safety of others to acheive my desires Weak willed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:56 PM
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But it is logically consistent. "If life is unfair" is a valid argument in any scenario it works for every scenario
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:27 PM
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What would be considered fair in this case? That moral people get more people romantically/sexually interested in them compared to immoral people. Because it doesn’t make sense that a good guy would be dating multiple women and the same time or running through women. Interest does not have to be acted upon. So the proof is in the pudding as goodness contradicts cheating and promiscuity in men and women. See above. Also believing that women are a reward for being good is also not very good of you…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:11 PM
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Women’s vaginas are not the arbiters of morality. Because women don't care about morality when picking who they date. They’re not the judicial system. Only because women don't care about justice when picking who they date. Romantic attention is not owed, therefore it’s not relevant to fairness. Everything is relevant to fairness or nothing is. An individual can pick their partner using fairness and therefore it is relevant to fairness. Other things are owed, and the government has an obligation …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:08 PM
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You are right, you could apply "life isn't fair" to these, but you would be a trash man. What is trash is an argument that can be used to defend those things.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 PM
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Infringement? Who talked about infringement? If the individual cares about fairness they will apply it when picking a partner and there would be no infringement.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:59 PM
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Ok. Should we apply that to ratial inequality? Economic inequality? Women's rights? Because "life isn't fair" applies as a defense for all types of unfairness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:55 PM
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Sure. But for the people that actually have fairness as a principle they believe it should apply to everything. Either fairness matters or it doesn't. Either applies to everything or to nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:51 PM
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Fairness. The reason is fairness. The fact that a felon can get more women interested in him than a boring non criminal seems unfair to anyone that has some sense of fairness. And as I always tell you, the quality of the women is not relevant. The obsession is not about those women. It is about the unfairness that is born out of their decision to pursue a terrible human as a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:46 PM
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Right so back to my original question, explain the men who will fuck your body when they hate that part of it? How it that humanizing? A human may have many traits and the sum total of negative and positive traits may be over all positive. Of that party of the cost is the most important part to me why is then poking the meat sack pay with their penis supposed to make me feel great when they hate the rest of me? It is not supposed to make you feel great. My argument is that it is humanizing when …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:32 PM
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Sure. Should I just accept not getting what I want in the only life I get to live? Should anyone? What makes the interests of others more important than my own? If you are going to ask other people to waste their life then you should be aware that some people will just tell you "no"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:28 PM
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There is no person inside the body. The person and the body are the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 12:10 PM
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If that is the price to pay to get what I want from life. I only have one and I am not wasting it by not getting what I want out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 11:25 AM
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It is not what I want in return. So there is no trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:47 AM
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We will see. I doubt it
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:21 AM
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Those actions can only be carried out by your body Yeah. But I remain the same person even if I change my actions so it follows that my actions are not part of who I am. Gay men also care more about you than your friends and family, and even your partner. They are in fact the most caring people in your life, because they care about your body the most Yes
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 10:21 AM
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The first is correct. The latter is not. Employers care about my actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:43 AM
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And they come to those countries without an interest in leaving their culture behind.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 09:43 AM
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Then they never cared about her.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:21 AM
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If the only part of a human you care about is a body go fuck a corpse- a body that has no personality or feelings or thoughts. I already mentioned the chemical/electrical patterns within a body. Those make the difference between a corpse and a human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:21 AM
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First of all, remember that I don't vote extremist unless I am not getting what I want from life. Second. It is on me to plan for that situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 06:17 AM
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You wish harm on the people you keep demanding them to love you. I don't wish harm on anyone. And I don't demand anyone to love me. I don't care about love. I care about actions. That makes you abusive and unkind and horrible. Hence why you and the men like you are and should stay lonely I am not lonely. I found Miss Moral more than ten years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:36 AM
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I don't think you quite understood my reply. I'm not arguing against what you said. what I'm arguing is: how can you understand a human being without observing their behaviors and reactions? even the most advanced medical technology cannot tell you who that person is fundamentally, even in a biological sense. however, it is possible to infer something about them by observing their actions (even if the actions are a result of who they are and not the other way around). Fair. I see your point. In …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:23 AM
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Fair enough. It is still not speaking about what it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 03:18 AM
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"It is ridiculous for men not to..." and "men should..." are the same fucking statement. No they are not. "It is ridiculous to" speaks about what it is. "Men should" speaks about what should be. You can't just say you're not speaking about what should be because you didn't use the word "should". I can.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:59 AM
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Men should use any tools available to them, but there tools only include lack of support and not direct violence? I say NOTHING about what "Should". I speak about what it IS. Then you asked me about what I believe. And I answered what I believe. But what I believe says nothing about what "should" You're going back on your own statements because you realized the implications of what you said are worse than what you intended. Not at all. As I said. What I believe to be correct says nothing about w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:50 AM
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"Caring about" in the context of this discussion, lusting after.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:45 AM
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I don't believe it is ok to pressure women into sex using threats of violence. I do believe it is ok to pressure any human into doing anything using threats of absolute lack of support and lack of any kind of defense against outside threats.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:43 AM
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Deserve does not enter into consideration. People get what they negotiate for. Or what they can take.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:40 AM
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No. Lets go again. I believe every single man alive has only one life to get what they want from it. And it is ridiculous to expect them to not use every single tool available to them to try to get what they want in the only life they have. My position says nothing about what it "should" be. My position speaks about what it IS. And it IS ridiculous to expect that men will just accept that society leaves them with no viable path to get what they want in the single life they have to get it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:39 AM
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It is not socially acceptable. Because the majority of society is against that. That can change. Consensus relies on most people getting what they want. And the enforcement of consensus relies on most men getting what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:35 AM
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however I do think actions, reputation, and skills are an outcome of the inherent identity of the person and necessary for understanding who that person is. And I disagree because we can take a human, remove the reputation, remove the skills, change their behavior and they would have not became someone else, they would remain the exact same human.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:33 AM
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Have you ever spent time around someone who was dealing with dementia? Because the loss of self is really apparent. Grandmother. Alzheimer. Multiple years. Some horrible shit to see. I would still argue that she remain herself even when her mind was definitely unrecognizeable. I can't find an argument to say she became someone else. You might still be human, but lose the person that you were. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:31 AM
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Ok. I still believe it is possible that a significant percentage of men will end up as the guys we are talking about if the situation continues as it is going.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:30 AM
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As I said in some other comment in this thread. I don't have to be violent. I just have to vote and do nothing when violence happens. A small number of violent men can do a lot if a majority is just not interested nor willing to stop them. I have no reason to be violent. So you sincerely think that it's ok to be violent towards women because they won't have sex with you? Because that's what this boils down to. I believe every single man alive has only one life to get what they want from it. And …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:28 AM
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Being payed for work is different, because you're actually working. It does not take work to not be dangerous. The thing that makes productivity valuable is not that it takes work. It is valuable because it is desired. Peace is desired. And thus it is valuable even if it takes no effort. So both are for sale.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:21 AM
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I can forget how to speak english and remain the same human. I can forget any skill I have and I would still be me. The same applies to all humans. Lose the skills, you did not become someone else. You are the same person just without those skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:19 AM
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So no man that has a mother/sisters can ever end up as one of the guys we are talking about? Are you sure?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:18 AM
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But for all the men who just want a body, any body how is that hunanizing to the women? Because a human is a body. And being cared about for your body means being cared for the human you are. A body. The alternative is being cared about for what you have or what you do, which is not being care about as a human but as a tool. If she can be replaced with any other warm body and he doesn't like her personality, how is that validating to her? I didn't say it was validating. I said it was humanizing.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:17 AM
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That does not sound like dependency. Actual dependency means non functionality when you are lacking the thing/person you are dependent upon.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:13 AM
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Sure, and expecting pay in order to work makes me lazy. And expecting monogamy in order to be in a relationship makes me controlling. Nothing in life is free. And that includes restrain. That includes peace. The people that "don't need compensation" are already recieving it. They are living in a society that provides them with what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:12 AM
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It makes me nothing. It makes me whatever I become based on my surroundings. Water has no shape. It takes the shape of the container it is in and fills the gaps.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:07 AM
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For sure. I included the electrical/chemical patterns within the body in the definition of what a human is. I just didn't include actions nor posessions/reputation/skills. Because you can lose all of those and the human remains the same identity.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:05 AM
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You can't expect something in return for not being actively harmful. Yes I can. That is how having nukes works. You expect the rest of the world to care about what you say because you can end the world with a button. The same goes for men and the ability they have to just end society when they decide not to cooperate with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:03 AM
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Is there any difference betwen relying on someone and needing them? Using your definitions of course.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:01 AM
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Oh so you believe this men have no mother and no sisters?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 02:00 AM
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A human is a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it. To care about a body is to care about a human. Everything else is not part o what a human is. Everything else is part of what a human does or what a human has. You would remain the same human even if you change every single aspect of your behavior. You would remain the sae human even if you lose everything you have, including reputation and skills. You are what is left when everything else is lost or changes. The body and the elec…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:59 AM
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I do want to agree with you but I am sure we have different definitionson what "a healthy amount of dependency on your partner" is. Please define the term.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:53 AM
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Oh so women are entitled to men acting to benefit them without getting anyting in return. Good to know where you stand.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:51 AM
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As long as they remain a minority, you are correct. If they are no longer a minority then chances are you can't win against them. And the way to keep them a minority is for them to get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:49 AM
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I hope you are correct. I don't know if I would place a bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:47 AM
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Ok. Next question. Are women entitled to men defending them against those dangerous extremists? Or are men free to just decide to sit that one out and let chips fall where they may?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:47 AM
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I don't want to reproduce. I don't want to curse a child with having me as a father. And of course this kind of men are a minority. For now. As long as they are a minority there is no risk. When they are a majority well there are plenty of countries in which women have no rights to see how that works out.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:45 AM
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Or we let those voters die out. They vote once.. ok? And we refuse to fuck them and have their kids. The people realize how shit it is to have those people vote and so they vote the extreme other way. That only works if those men are a minority. Which is the best strategy by the way. Keep fucking enough men so the ones that don't get what they want out of life remain a minority. Yall really wanna force women to fuck you so badly you will take away our rights to do so. You will rape and kill and …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:43 AM
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Didn’t you say that you would have sex with strange men if it were the only way to keep them from committing suicide? Care to bring up the context as well? "If it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that the direct cause for that suicide is the lack of male attention/sex" How does that square with not intervening if you see a child or elderly person being harmed on the street? Beyond a shadow of a doubt there are other people that should be responsible for the child and the elderly. Thought …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/26 01:40 AM
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Well that is the thing with democracy. Every single voter gets the same say and you will either convince the extremists by giving them enough of what they want so they vote your way or you make sure that the conditions are good enough so most people don't end up as extremists. And this is not a matter of empathy. It is a matter of keeping enough men on your side to make what you think is right and wrong something that can be enforced.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 11:21 PM
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See the Islamic world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:33 PM
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but not enough men on the side of evil to defeat good men and women See the Islamic world.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:33 PM
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Great question. I care about neither. Children have their parents. Elderly people have their savings relationships they bothered to build for when they are no longer able to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:11 PM
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Oh. So they get beaten by but remain able to have their own country culture and laws? Such a bad fate.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:02 PM
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In the event it did happen, people would no longer be legally entitled to physical safety.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 10:01 PM
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And countries/societies like that get stomped by ones that have rule of law and respect for others. Because oppressive or chaotic societies are not efficient They continue to exist so they are not stomped.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:30 PM
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Sure. I give you that. Now if that group keeps growing and they don't care if they are called toddlers they are still a problem that needs addressing. Or you can ignore them until the group becomes impossible to ignore.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:18 PM
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Does using your freedom and vote to decide which things to support and which things to ignore count as a threat? Because if that is the case then might as well throw democracy and freedom out the window.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:16 PM
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The Islamic world continues to exist. Just saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:00 PM
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Remember alcohol prohibition? Men are well able to ignore existing laws when they don't want to follow them and when enough men decide to do it there is nothing useful to be done against them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:55 PM
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It may be fragile. I don't care. My support for any cause is for sale. If I get paid I support equality and shit. If I don't then I will support the opposite side.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:40 PM
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Blaming everyone but yourself is a child like response to avoid responsibility for your bad actions. And that was what Adam did in that story. Act like a kid. And when it comes to understanding good and evil he was a kid. He was found soon after coming to understand that he did wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:23 PM
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No. I will use voting and indifference. I will vote for extremists and don't move a finger when violence happens. A small number of violent men can do a lot when a majority of men just don't want to stop them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:21 PM
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Without the understanding of good and evil how can someone even understand that disobeying god is wrong? If anything free will without the understanding of good and evil can only end in evil because the free entity does not know the difference. They will eventually do evil.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:16 PM
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I mean... The entire point of the story is that it is supposed to be man's first encounter with the understanding of good and evil. Blaming everyone else for the bad you committed is a childish response and Adam could not have responded in any other way. When it came to dealing with good and evil he was quite literally at a child's level.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:14 PM
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When in history was a good idea to ignore a group of men that are angry and increasing in number?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:10 PM
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If men ignored laws during alcohol prohibition because they didn't feel like stop drinking then why is it so hard to believe that they could apply the same to other laws? Laws and rights were never about morality. They are about having enough men with guns willing to defend whatever is considered a right and to punish whatever is considered a crime.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 08:00 PM
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Good to know the risks. Now remember that legality and morality take a backseat to reality. Without enough men willing to enforce rights (put offenders in jail and scaring would be offenders) those rights don't exist and it doesn't matter if they are written into law.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:58 PM
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Morality takes a back seat to reality. Without enough men willing and able to enforce rights (putting offenders in jail and scaring would be offenders) those rights don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:56 PM
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Of course. Ignoring someone that has those beliefs is the way you allow them to increase in numbers but of course you are entitled to ignore the incoming trouble until it is too big to be ignored.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:49 PM
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As a society, we've agreed that we owe it to each other to not assault or murder each other. That's why our elected leaders have passed laws prohibiting those activities. Everyone does owe everyone their physical safety. And what if a significant percentage of the population no longer buys into this. Or at least they don't buy in for free. Sure if they are a small percentage of the population you might be able to send them to jail. But if enough men decide that if they are not getting what they …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:48 PM
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Ok. So if men are free to do so. Then the argument made by OP makes more sense. He is arguing that men should use that freedom to put a price on their support for systemic equality. Either they get payed the price and they support equality or they don't get payed the price and they do not support it. If enough men don't get paid and stop supporting systemic equality then well... It goes the way of the dinosaurs. Which can be stopped by paying the price.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:45 PM
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Just for fun let's say that is the argument. Are women entitled to men not being as dangerous as extremists say they are?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:42 PM
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Just to know your perspective. Are women entitled to an individual man's support for systemic equality? Or is a man free to decide if he supports systemic equality or doesn't? If he is free to support or oppose systemic equality then he is also free to decide under which circumstances he will support systemic equality. And such a circumstance may be "I am getting relationships/sex"
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 07:41 PM
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Can you elaborate? The mental state of people alters how they spend their money. People don't vote or shoot schools based on their dating lives. People use their dating lives as rationalisations for their pre-seated biases and/or inclinations that inform their choice of vote or to shoot up a school. Bold to believe that. Willing to bet lives and the political future of your country on you being right?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:42 PM
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All three statements are consistent with what society believes. All three statements are presented without an argument backing them up. That was the point. In a debate, a statement without an argument backing it up tends to be insufficient.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 05:18 PM
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This one Both statement have the same number of arguments backing them up as yours.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:58 PM
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But why would you want someone who’s OK with people like that? Unless its clear its a trauma response, WHY? Yes. Because it is better than being an incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:32 PM
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What does the quantity of people she is attracted to have to do with the ability to favor both stability and desire? When you reduce your pool you reduce the chances of finding someone that brings what you want. Are you making a case that because of instability, the man has sexual success? Or is there a different factor that coexists (not competes) with stability/instability in the man that has an effect on sexual or dating success? Any. Both. Maybe there is a link between that different factor …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 03:17 PM
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It means that there is no competition in men. Men will be attracted to the woman that brings stability. Women in the other hand are not attracted to almost all men in the way men are attracted to almost all women. That means it is unlikely that a man will bring both attraction and stability. Chances are a man will bring only one of those to the table. Let alone the fact that unstable men have way more success in the dating world so we can argue that stability is less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:47 PM
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Of course it is only for the woman. Men want to fuck anyone that is an adult human female that is alive. And some freaks can ignore some of the items in that list.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:43 PM
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It isn't. Being homeless signficantly reduces one's quality of life and puts then in the face of much more harm than if they were housed. Oh so you can live is just that life is significantly worse? Same for dating/not dating.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:42 PM
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No. It wasn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:41 PM
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material: relating to physical objects or money rather than emotions or the spiritual world A useful definition. An issue defined as material can be important/not important based on arguments provided. Immaterial: not important; not likely to make a difference Bad definition. By including dating inside that definition you are, by definition saying it does not matter/makes no difference. An issue that is defined as immaterial would become by definition irrelevant with no need of arguing why it is…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:41 PM
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Uncalled for. I am presenting counter arguments in a polite and appropriate manner without any name calling and trying to not use any fallacy. I am debating in good faith and without any trick nor tantrum that would make that comparison make sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:30 PM
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I have to admit that reading this elicits nothing but horror Thank you. but I read more about your condition, and you quite literally cannot help it, and thus I commend you for taking your partner into such consideration in that you told her exactly what was happening. Thank you and this time is less of a dark humor kind of joke. I do care about consent so I refuse to enter into a relationship with someone that is not fully informed about what they would be getting into.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:28 PM
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Owning a home is a largely optional experience. Not needed to live. Actually having electricity is a largely optional experience considering that most of humanity lived full lives without it during the majority of our existence as a species.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:26 PM
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Starvation and slavery are significant material problems, so wealth inequality and racial inequality are valid concerns. The problems that arise from dating are insignificant and immaterial, so it is not a valid concern. Provide a definition for "material" and "immaterial" problems so I can engage honestly and properly with the argument. "Insignificant" is what we are discussing so that is just a presumption fallacy. Begging the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:22 PM
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You provide an argument, I address that argument. That is how debating works. If you want to argue that those can't be equated then you must provide an argument that shows that they can't be equated. All you did was saying "money is needed to live while having a partner is not" Completely changing the subject, that being "wealth equality/inequality" not money. When I bring the conversation back to that, your argument falls apart because wealth equality is not required to live. Just as having a p…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:19 PM
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Correct. Present arguments and then we can address them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:15 PM
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That was not the argument. You are moving the goalpost. The point is that wealth equality is not needed to live. In the same way that having a partner is not needed to live. I can concede that reducing wealth inequality will improve the life of those that have less money... Just as having a partner would improve the life of those that have no partner...
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:11 PM
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You need some money to live. Wealth inequality does not make a man unable to live, it does make that man unable to become as rich as the wealthiest are. So you don't need wealth equality to live. In those aspects both wealth equality and a partner are not needed to live.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:08 PM
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That was the question. Would that woman actually desire that man or is she making a sensible decision that puts other qualities above how desireable that man is?
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:07 PM
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Ok. So they are not equivalent then. Why? What makes one issue a valid concern and not the other? Come on. The argument is just there.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:03 PM
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Go on. You are quite close to providing an argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 02:00 PM
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My turn. Wealth inequality is not and has never been a valid concern. Ratial inequality is not and has never been a valid concern. Both statement have the same number of arguments backing them up as yours. I am open to discuss why it is not a valid concern but the statement without the argument is not enough. Edit: auto correct
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:56 PM
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Does your partner know that she’s only there so that you don’t kys? She knows. She deserves to make fully informed decisions. Altering your behavior and mannerisms, how? The way I speak and address issues. I am not considerate by nature. I must choose to be that way. I treat most issues without any passion nor care. I do need to be considerate with issues that my partner feel strongly about. The ways in which I decide to express affection must also change to fit the way she receives it. Contrary…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:15 PM
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To be fair those are quite good moments.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:01 PM
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What is it you want out of it? Monogamy. Long term stability. Romantic displays of affection. Shared time. Sex. In that order. All required. If all present I no longer want to kiss a moving train. How do you want it to look? As long as those elements are there I don't care. Everything else is up for negotiation. Why is the woman there? Because her life is better in a relationship with me compared to how her life would be outside a relationship with me. What’s her purpose? She is a human and has …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 01:00 PM
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Why would a woman want to be with someone who sees them as less than? Less than what? Less than who? I treat and see everyone as equal. Equality also applies when you see everyone and everything as a tool. To answer the question. She might want to be with someone like that if every other option in her life is worse. As I said, incentive structures.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 12:09 PM
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Everyone has a price. So the answer is yes and the price would change depending on the circumstances and details of the deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:39 AM
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Because when I am outside a long term relationship I feel like taking a bath with a working toaster. Also, women are not bad per se. They are reacting to the incentive structure they are in. Change the incentive structure, change the behavior.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/26 09:38 AM
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But men especially need to be more than a loyal dog. This sentence is the important one. Men need more than being loyal. A woman that is loyal is more likely than not, enough and does not need more. Maybe because men value loyalty enough to not need more than that. Maybe because their standards are so easy to meet that when a woman brings loyalty to the table she is overqualified.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/26 03:59 PM
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Men want to survive above all else. Like it or not. Not true. Living without a chance to get what you want in life gives men a reason to risk life in an attempt to get it. The power of money doesn't stem from giving men what they want, it stems from giving women what they want. Please elaborate. But honestly the level of your domestication really shows when we talk about rich people and you immediately think of money. More powerful men can hoard away your resources, it doesn't have to be green a…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:31 PM
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This does not answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:29 PM
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There is a chance of winning.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:27 PM
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Rich people have power because money can be used to get what people want. If money does not give men what they want (women, relationship, sex, children) because women decided to just...not. For whatever reason. Then rich people have no power. Their money is no longer something men want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 05:06 PM
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If you provide a great life for your girlfriend, fiancée, or wife, and you feel that you've worked hard and earned the lifestyle you have, do you think that gives you the right to occasionally sleep with other women? It does not give me the right. It gives me leverage to use to obtain whatever I want to get in the relationship. Or use that as a condition to be with them if certain circumstances occur? Anyone has the right to apply conditions. Example: she has a kid with someone else, or she has …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:45 PM
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Men can win a contest of violence against other men. The loser gets as many rights as the winner allows. That is just what happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:40 PM
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Men have had no problem oppressing each other and taking away each others rights Obviously. Men can win a fight against other men so the loser gets no rights. Or as many rights as the winner allows them to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:39 PM
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So you know a lot of historical societies in which women were able to enforce women's rights without the help of men?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 04:38 PM
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But what if she disagrees with your analysis and would prefer the bear because it won't plot and scheme to force her into sexual servitude? She is free to be wrong. Ultimately, if you're going to fuel a negative view of men, can you fault women for disliking or hating men based upon your view of men? I can't blame someone for their feelings. Feelings are something you don't control. Feelings are the stupid part of people. I can blame them for deciding to act on feelings over rationality though.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:49 PM
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Fair. How can you fault a woman for deciding she wants nothing to do with men for believing what you say about them? Because a bear wants nothing from women so there is no negotiating available. If the bear wants you dead then you are dead. Men want something from women so there is a negotiation to be had. Both sides can trade.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:39 PM
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There is no need to turn to violence. It is enough to just stop helping women in all circumstances. No help through the state. No defending against any threat. Full social ostracism. If women want anything from men they can get it by giving men what they want. That is enough. Women can only get acceptable lives because they get help from men through the state. Remove men willingness to help women unless they get what they want out of the deal and the problem solves itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:35 PM
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That means they are still a minority. That is fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:32 PM
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Either society gives men what they want or (when the disappointed are numerous enough) they will bend society so they get what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:19 PM
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Both parties can be at odds or they can align their self interests. If they can't get their self interests aligned then just take a look at history.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:54 PM
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So why should a man support a society that does not give him what he wants?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:34 PM
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You may be right but unless they believe they have a realistic chance it doesn't matter. Not only it has to be true but they have to believe it is true. Maybe the latter is enough if the former is false.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:30 PM
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“yeah men are cray and violent and sexually impulsive will spiral into societal fuckshit without access to a female” Not crazy. Not impulsive. Though it could be. Knowing that one has one single life to live there is absolutely no reason to accept a society that you truly came to believe gives you no viable path to live your life in a manner you find worth living.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 02:29 PM
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Accidentally? It was on purpose. Also. Anti male propaganda? It was not anti male at all. It was a basic analysis of reality. Society exists because most men believe said society gives them a realistic chance to get what they want (women, a relationship, sex, children) If enough men don't believe society gives them that chance then they will consider that society an enemy and act accordingly. You can't expect someone to just give up on getting what they want from life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:57 PM
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thats crazy, giving human rights doesnt mean you have the right ti rpe women now I agree women literally fought to get away from mne like you. we dont want you Ok. Now do you mind answering the question? Why support the interests of a group that does not care about your interests? It is a losing strategy. Women do want something from men. Women want men to enforce the rights of women. You want men to find the ones that infringe upon those rights. Capture them. Throw them in jail. Put them on tri…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 01:49 PM
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So... Do you believe you can have that force able, willing and numerous enough to defend women's rights against anyone that wants to infringe them without the help of any man? No one wins but a few men and it is mind blowing men don’t want to win enough that they would prefer women hurt. Imagine how bad should a man have it to consider that letting society collapse gives him a better chance to get what he wants from life.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:15 AM
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Trapping someone by using their gratitude is diabolical. A great strategy if you can pull it off.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:12 AM
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Serial killers have women interested in them. So not being a shitbag is not a requirement.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/26 03:11 AM
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I see your point and I take it. I was blinded by putting myself in the position of the one recieving the offer. I would have picked the good option anyways and the way the offer is presented would have changed nothing. But you are correct. Most people are not like me and would care about those details to the point of not reacting in the same way to each one.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:24 PM
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Voting for them worked? Because seems that they used those rights and freedoms to leave those men alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:21 PM
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Convincing. Eloquent. Just kidding. Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:57 PM
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Ok. I see your point and I see why I failed to recognize it. You care about the way you get to the result and who is the one doing the damage/improvement. I don't really care about it. I only saw a decision between good and bad and all the other details are not relevant. The end result would be either good or bad. I can see that if you care about how you get to good/bad and who is the one doing the good/bad in either scenario then the two scenarios are not the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:57 PM
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“I’m offering you to date me and if you don’t, I’ll rxpe you or harm you or take away your ability to be in this shelter.” The risk of rape and harm was there. Just not coming from me. The basic analysis was the same. "Date me or live in a horrible way until you die."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:48 PM
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If women need to cow to men..it makes more sense for us to cow to the most powerful ones and offer them 10 side pieces then offer an average dude 1 wife Yes. As long as the most powerful ones can win.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:46 PM
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By stripping welfare and social services, how exactly do you expect men to help women? In the same way it happened during the vast majority of history. The economy is failing us all collectively, regardless of race, gender or creed. Instead of stripping SNAP from single mothers, enforce the deadbeats to pay their child support. Why not both? Even in a nuclear family, most men cannot afford to buy a house, have a stay at home wife. Most people need a dual income, especially if you expect her to t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:45 PM
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Your solution is to just reference Medieval times, Arab countries and Africa— instead of referencing a recent generation in the west that had studied and proven results… ok. Not a solution. Examples on how to get the results in a different way. Abundance of resources and rights works. Lack of resources and rights works as well. You’re not making any points. You’re throwing pasta at the wall. I am showing alternatives. You said “get rid of welfare, make women have children. It’s fine if the 1% fu…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:45 PM
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Pre-industrial revolution, people had more children because most of them fucking died and someone needed to survive to maintain the damn goats. Oh so there are other ways to make women have children's other than replicating your baby boomer scenario? Well that was my point. Why are you talking about Arab countries? Africa? Because that is another example of higher birth rates without replicating the baby boomer scenario you described. Do you vote in these areas too? Nope. If you believe and want…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 08:09 PM
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So then men are women’s enemy? Only when there is no alignment in men and women's self interest. Why would women care about people who are danferous and threatening to them? It doesn’t make sense A reason comes to mind. Because the consequences of not caring are worse than the consequences of caring. If men are this dangerous why not round them up and put them in prison Because you need men to round them up and to keep them in prison. So then you have the same problem. Another group of men you n…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:56 PM
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Right… right not an issue. Historically, when times are bad people stop fucking and having babies. Times are not bad. Technology makes this times objectively the best times. People on medieval Europe had it way worse and had more babies than the modern western world. You want incels to have wives and have kids? Probably review what led to the baby boomers: Or I can look at the societies that have a high birth rate today. Why not do that? family support, tax incentives and social welfare economic…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:53 PM
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Which part is hard to understand? I described everything needed to keep women's rights in the realm of reality instead of being just an idea. Do you believe that women can fulfill all of the roles needed to enforce women's rights without any man's help?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:30 PM
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Maybe I was not clear enough. In order for the enforcement of rights to be effective you need the following. A force able and willing to catch/kill enough of the people that want to infringe on said rights. If you are not going for straight up capital punishment with no trial then you need. A force able and willing to retain those people and keep them detained for as long as it is neededm A force able and willing to transport them to court/jail. You do need lawyers and politicians and judges but…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:22 PM
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Say republicans stay in power for the next 2 decades. Republicans are not extreme. They are just barely to the right of the democrats. For now at least. Wait until an actually extremist party gets wind. What do you believe they’re going to do to make the incels less alone? I don't know what they will do. I know what they can do. Remove all welfare. Let women convince men to help them instead of using the state to force men to help women. Truly. Because it’s currently, a machine to prop up the 1%…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 07:06 PM
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So can women defend and enforce their rights without men's help? I missed the point in which you answer that question.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:45 PM
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If the reason you don’t vote for extremists is because you occasionally have sex, you should probably take a deeper look at yourself but it sounds like you can barely stand to. I know myself quite well. Sounds like you’re a slight fracture away from becoming an extremist and your integrity should not rely on whether or not you, and you alone, benefit from. I don't define myself by the way I vote. I can vote one way and act the opposite way to the ideas of the party I vote for. My actions in day …
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:42 PM
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Not gonna entertain authoritarians who want to take rights away from me or anyone else. I don't want to. I already got what I wanted. You already have my vote in favor of women's rights. You're essentially suggesting women should just accept that they're being held hostage and need to please their keepers. So can women defend and enforce their rights without men's help? Because if the answer is no (and look at the Arab world to see how it looks when men don't want to enforce and defend women's r…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:32 PM
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So at the end of the day, you have yours and you’re going to continue to vote how you would anyway I said I don't vote for extremists because I have what I want. you’re just arguing that women should be sexually exploited regardless. No. I am arguing that women don't get to ask men to vote for women's interests and do it without giving them what they want. Tough sell there mate. Want to talk about a tough sell? Tell an incel hated and or ignored by women he should vote for things to stay the sam…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:29 PM
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Physically attractive? As long as she is fit enough to move. Unless she is unable to move due to accident or illness in which case I drop all fitness criteria. Attractive enough to be considered for a serious relationship. That is when it gets weird. What I want is her best as defined by her past. By her past actions in previous relationships. And I want that because women do want my best and would not be ok with me being myself instead of my best. That means that if she spent part of her 20s/ea…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:21 PM
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I already have a partner so society already bought my vote. But I remember how it was before I got what I want and I don't plan to forget about the men that are still out of luck and results.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:14 PM
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As a society, we have agreed that there are. if enough men don't get what they want in life then maybe society no longer agrees. Yeah because no woman has ever defended someone's rights before, apparently Percentage of women in the military and police forces? Personally I don't think there's any value in "negotiating" with people who are trying to remove fundamental rights. They are an obstacle, not someone to compromise with. That is true only if you can win against them. Once they are numerous…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:13 PM
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And how do you intend to sell your vote to society? Out of curiosity, when you get to the drop box and cross out the running parties and scribble down “society”? Simple. I know what I want from society (a long time relationship with a woman). If I got one I vote for regular parties. Nothing extreme. If I don't have one at the moment of voting I will go for the most extreme alternative available. Like what the fuck are you even saying bro. No shit you’re going to continue to vote for the governme…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:11 PM
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There is no "fundamental rights everyone is supposed to have". The only rights that exist are the ones that are defended and enforced. By men. Maybe not all men but enough men. And when you mention "things they are not supposed to be entitled for" you are missing the point. Whether they are or not entitled to anything as long as they have something you want from men (maybe you want them to keep defending and enforcing rights maybe) then they can ask for whatever price they want and unless the pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 06:07 PM
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I am not voting against women's rights nor anything similar because I am getting what I want from society. I am not the problem. The problem is the men that are not getting what they want. They have a reason to vote in weird ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:58 PM
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I rather sell my vote to society. If I get what I want I vote for society to continue the way it is/continue in the direction it is going. If I don't get what I want I vote against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:57 PM
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Accept for once and for all that if you want things to change, YOU have to change. Daddy government isn't gonna do it for you nor can you force women to change for you. Done it. Got what I wanted. It does not change anything about what I said
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:55 PM
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But you are not entitled to men defending them. And you need those men defending them for those rights to be real instead of a fiction of law and philosophy
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 05:54 PM
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I personally have no need to use the most perverted coercive “negotiation” one can conceive of. But I see nothing wrong with using what you have to negotiate. You have only one life to get what you want. Why waste it?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:53 PM
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Ok you believe that negotiation means men are entitled. Women are not entitled when they expect to get what they want from men without giving men what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:20 PM
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I am arguing for individuals to act on their own self interests
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:19 PM
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The aggregate will eventually end up as the base for a system
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:13 PM
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Thank you
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:07 PM
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The aggregate of individual moralities
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 02:06 PM
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A fiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:57 PM
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The aggregate of individual moralities being applied by individuals does.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:56 PM
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Entirely personal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:51 PM
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It becomes entitlement when you use negotiation? Why should women or anyone else get what they want from men without giving men what they want?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:50 PM
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I don't believe those impulses are entitlement. Those impulses are men using what they have to trade for what they want. They are entitled to nothing. They have something other people want (they can stop peace from existing or they can enforce peace) and they are selling that to the one that gives them what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:35 PM
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Have you tried it on an individual level? Offered it as an opening line to a potential date: I want to negotiate sex with you. In exchange I won't interfere with your right to hold property or vote. Did you have much success? Kinda. "Your life sucks, you are in a homeless shelter in South America and chances are you will never get a good life no matter how much you try. Sure you can improve some aspects of it. But chances are one day someone will kill you to steal from you and get high. I can ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:33 PM
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Never cared but gave women rights and freedom out of how much they did not care?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:31 PM
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Ok. Let's see if the current generation of men that don't support women's interest are convinced by such methods
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:30 PM
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Sounds like you agree. Males are more willing to shoot females who aren’t doing what he wants than females are willing to shoot males who aren’t doing what she wants. Sure. I just consider that willingness is part of the ability to do something. Being unable for lack of will yields the same result than being unable due to lack of ability
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:28 PM
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So you are changing the definition. Sexist is not the same as misogynist.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:05 PM
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Oh so women convinced them to give them rights. So giving men a reason to act in the interest of women works.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:04 PM
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Correlation not causal link.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:03 PM
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Fair. How does this position explain the existence of volunteers and men that stay out of their own volition?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:02 PM
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Just say you don’t believe in human rights lmao I don't. Rights exist only as long as there is enforcement. You don’t have to pretend like as if a woman had sex with you, you would suddenly change your vote. I do change my vote depending on what I get from society. If you gave a shit about human rights on your own, you wouldn’t be selling your right to fucking vote to begin with. I don't. You want to talk about democracy, yet auction off your vote? M’kay. That is how voting works. Convince peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 01:01 PM
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How is this relevant?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:58 PM
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Willingness to do something is part of the ability to do it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:58 PM
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Already had this discussion with him. He believes the only reason women don’t use guns as much as men is because women are physically weaker, so they aren’t as capable as men of pulling a trigger. To be fair I admitted in that discussion that I must revisit my position and I am still doing it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:57 PM
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Nah. Don't change the meaning to suit your argument
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 12:33 PM
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Misogyny requires hate. I don't hate.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:52 AM
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It’s not a “negotiation” if you’re saying “hey fuck me or I will strip your rights away” — that’s the dumbest fucking argument I’ve ever heard. That’s coercion at minimum, which is rape. Negotiation implies both parties consent. Please pick up a dictionary. In a democracy people are free to vote for any party and that party between the boundaries of the law can change all laws, constitution included. Saying "if you want me to vote the way you want give me what I want" is a negotiation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:50 AM
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Men’s threats to women tend to involve institutional disenfranchisement, violence, or sexual assault. All things that egregiously ignore consent and violate the other person. Yes. Because men if they want to, can follow up on that threat. Women’s threats to men involve leaving men the hell alone lol. Not violating his agency, autonomy, nor rights. Not doing a single non-consensual thing to him. Yes. Because women, if they want to, can follow up on that threat. If women could make a credible thre…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:49 AM
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It is misogyny mate, it’s not about hate, it’s about believing males are superior to females. I am treating them as equals negotiating for what they want. Women are only here for men to use etc Never said anything about the reason why women are here. and you’ve highlighted it against by claiming a women not wanting to have sex with a man is somehow a threat to him It is a threat. A threat of living a life that is not worth living. And what exactly is the trade here? Why can’t women just live the…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:32 AM
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I'm sorry, this whole thing is about how men are lonely and need women. And now you say that men slave for women... and you mean marriage - the thing that supposed to actually make men less lonely? Exactly. They slave away to not be lonely/incels. Do you see something weird here? No. Pointing out how men are willing to slave away.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:29 AM
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So... If men have issues with women (no relationship nor sex) they don't care about women's issues and become a problem? That is the reason to care about men not getting any.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:26 AM
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that means you admit that it's not chicken and egg situation Fair. First women stopped giving men what they wanted and then men stopped caring. they did it under enormous pressure. Enormous pressure from...?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:25 AM
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They threaten men with no sex and leaving then alone? Yes. That is a threat. That is not a life worth living. Are you serious? Yes. Are women just supposed to be here for men to allow them to live so men can rape them? No. This is a negotiation. You don't have to accept the trade. (Thanks for the blatant misogyny here btw. Guys deny it all the time but your quite happy to admit this is how they wish it was) I am saying this with no hate. So it is not misogyny. Sexist maybe. Not misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:23 AM
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Just one example. Marriage. Men enter into it to not lose their relationship (access to sex) and by doing so they accept that half of everything they earn is no longer theirs. Maybe more than half. The day she decides to leave he loses half of everything he worked for (or more). They accept it. They accept to slave for half of their working hours for no earning (because what they earn is not theirs to keep)
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:21 AM
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Precisely. And they were convinced to give women's rights and freedom.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:16 AM
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Are you living under Sharia law? If the answer is "no" then men care enough about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:15 AM
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The answer to your question would be " for the same reason I should care about the list of issues mentioned "
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:11 AM
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Women aren’t threatening mens basic human rights because they can’t control them, so no, women are not the selfish ones here Because they can't follow on this threat. They threat men with loneliness and inceldom. A threat they can follow on. That is the threat. And it works. Because men want relationships and sex. And no, it’s not a negotiation, women don’t want anything from men, they want to live their own lives without being discriminated against So you want men to allow you to live such live…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:10 AM
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Did you seriously miss the point?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:01 AM
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And thus allowing the number of men that remain outside relationships to increase, increases the number of men that don't care about women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 11:00 AM
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No political party or movement cares about anything other than getting into power and staying in power.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:57 AM
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Because It shows the outright audacity and selfishness of modern men. Or the audacity and selfishness of modern women that want support from men without showing support for them. Both sides are selfish. If either side wants something from the other they will have to trade. Women expected to solve mens problems or men will use scrap whatever they have to take away woman’s basic human rights. That is the negotiation. Women want something from men, men want something from women. If a trade does not…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:56 AM
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It is comparable. Men do end up slaving away in order to get sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:38 AM
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Because those men probably had women they actually cared about, had some morality and principles, and they wanted women in their life be happy. So men can vote for women's interests instead of their own. That is enough. Now that we established that it is a possibility that means that it is better to care about men's issues in an effort to convince them to vote for your own interest instead of against it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:30 AM
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Chicken and egg situation.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:20 AM
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How was giving women rights and freedom in men's self interests?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:19 AM
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Because men vote. Even if you don't give a single solitary duck about a demographic you would benefit if that demographic votes in a way that is aligned to your interests and you would suffer if they start voting against your interests. In a democracy that is the reason to care about any issue that affects any demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:08 AM
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Because men vote. Even if you don't give a single solitary duck about a demographic you would benefit if that demographic votes in a way that is aligned to your interests and you would suffer if they start voting against your interests. In a democracy that is the reason to care about any issue that affects any demographic.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 10:07 AM
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Of course men wouldn’t want help in reasonable ways which most women would actually agree to That was not the hypothetical scenario being discussed. The hypothetical scenario was one in which women could either let men die or go through an admittedly quite fucked up discomfort to save men. Because refusing to let people use your body is some awful thing Remember the war in Ukraine? Men are going through something comparable for the sake of women they don't know. When push comes to shove, men are…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:51 AM
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I know now. And I will remember every single time women want anything from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/26 09:37 AM
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Due to my condition I only have egoism to work with. To create a system of ethics based on that was a necessity for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:45 PM
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Its your first date with a gal and she asks you , " what women do you admire". Would the question be offputting to you, would you be able to answer it? It would be a yellow flag. The answer would be Ayn Rand. The answer is truthful and I would get information out of the reaction. She's asks "what men do you admire"? Would the question be offputting to you, would you be able to answer it? It would be a yellow flag. I would ask why does she want to know. I would say Elon Musk. The answer could be …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 11:07 PM
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Correct. Without the incentive of not being an incel I would be glad being the social equivalent of a pet rock.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:58 PM
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They are relevant enough that you bring them up all the time as your evidence that women are all trash. Not as evidence that all women are trash. As evidence that serial killers get more women interested in them than boring non criminals. Youre being disingenuous to pretend you consider them irrelevant today. One thing is being statistically irrelevant as an example of your demographic. Another thing is being able to produce results even though you are not representative of the demographic at la…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 05:07 PM
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In other words, you would require rigid adherence to a minimum, but conveniently, you believe it is beyond the pale to have any limits beyond that. That is because your belief is self-serving, not designed around fairness or care. I don't believe it is beyond the pale to have any limits beyond that. I believe you can make those limits clear and explicit in the agreement. You didn’t really address the point I brought here. What specific duty do you believe a woman should owe a man if she murders …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:45 PM
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So you propose in this thought experiment for a woman to service any comer and still have romantic relationships with them all? Or is that only required for one man? How can a romantic relationship actually form in this situation given the fact they are still humans with limits on energy, time, and ability to form romantic bonds? I don't propose anything. All I did was consider the base assumption provided by OP as true and see how women decide if they let men die or not. I don't really care abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 03:37 PM
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Sounds about right.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:42 PM
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Why would your scenario somehow only operate in the realm of immediate consequences? It doesn't have to. Why wouldn't it impact the societal or legal level? It could. And for that matter, why would women still have husbands? Not my monkey. They could answer that question. If any woman denying a man at any time means he is likely to die, then the wife would have to service any man. Not really. She could let the man die. What would be the point of a romantic relationship? To make a man not die. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:38 PM
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I suppose if you're just a lazy type of person. Or I prefer to be dependent on someone that loves me over being dependent on a boss/corporation/clients Personally I am a very independent woman. dependent on a boss/corporation/clients I like people. I like my career. I like my money. I like none of those. Never in my life have I yearned to be a housewife. I don't understand you but I can imagine how that could be possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:30 PM
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The way you put it across makes it seem very transactional (not against it btw cuz I do believe every relationship is somewhat transactional albeit to different extents). It is transactional. Every relationship is transactional. I don't even get to the first date unless I pay in time and effort to become attractive. Do the both of you genuinely love each other or do you and her both see it mostly as a form of transaction and fulfilment of duties? I believe the answer is both. When love falters d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:20 PM
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You are actually prevented from paying more than is asked Not unless the agreement explicitly forbids it. There are always conditions for a duty Not always. Some duties are reciprocal and we can argue there is a condition in the reciprocity. Some duties are not. But honestly, even then, there are women you would respect as dutiful— there are women who have been so loyal to their partners that they co-committed murders with them. Your ideal woman. For sure exceptions do exist but they are not num…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:00 PM
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That scenario ends consensual sex forever. Not really. Women can say no and let the man die. As you did not change the essence of the woman only the man in your hypothetical, sex in that scenario is reliant upon the suffering of women without doing anything to prevent said suffering. In fact, it seems embedded in the very cure proposed Or let the man die. No suffering necessary from women. And as to the other matter, it is not an act of selflessness to be forced to be a resource for others. The …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:45 PM
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Because that is how humans are? Disgusting. I know. As to your hypothetical, why does only the taker's evaluation of the cost matter? Why does a taker get to decide it is only a "discomfort" when all the taker is doing is receiving? The taker dies if they do not take. Any other cost is discomfort compared to death. In this hypotheticar scenario at least.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:31 AM
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First, It relies on the false premise that the only way to save some man's life is by fucking them. Of course not. There are a multitude of other actions such as calling the authorities, calling family, or simply having a long deep discussion. The entire point of the hypothetical scenario is to put women in a situation in which the options are to have sex with men to save men's life or letting them die. Do you believe that if the scenario was properly worded to give those two options and only th…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:29 AM
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Fair enough. The scenario could have been better worded.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:24 AM
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If I agree to pay 2 then my duty is to pay 2. Nothing stops me from paying more. The party recieving the payment is not obligated to deny the extra unless the agreement says so. I am not bound by duty to pay only 2. This was unadressed by the way. But if by “not optional”, you mean people who actually totally fulfilled their pledges, there are tons. For the women who stay with their husbands “till death do us part”, staying was not “optional”. Interesting. Was there nothing the men could have do…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:23 AM
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Men get what they give. In the west? Women's rights even to the detriment of their self interest. Do you believe that women in the west do give men rights even to the detriment of their self interest?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 07:18 AM
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Then most people disgust me. Selfish enough to not even consider suffer discomfort in order to save a life in a hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 02:09 AM
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I did say my take could be uneducated. It doesn't have to be ISIS, any culture that can outbreed the rest will do. And as a general rule, the more freedom women have the less kids they choose to have.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:57 AM
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Muslims outbreed western culture and take over via democracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:53 AM
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Give me a choice taken and I can try to guess the consequence. Without a choice to begin with I have nothing to build upon
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:45 AM
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I do see people, and myself, as a resource.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:44 AM
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I don't know. Depends on the choices made. I can't see the future. I can only make an educated guess. Or an uneducated one. Makes no difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:34 AM
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There is no such thing as a "should". Women "should" do whatever they believe is in their self interest. Do what you want and live with the consequences. Don't complain about them. You earned them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:31 AM
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"If it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt"
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:30 AM
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I adressed this in another comment. I can understand how it would be stupid to act to benefit others when the result of it would make you incapable of helping others in the future. First you need to keep yourself sane and healthy enough to endure until the next time you can help someone.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:29 AM
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Lets try to make a long story short enough to be read but with enough info to be somewhat useful. First thing: I met my partner 10+ years ago. I don't have problems with dating currently so I am going to speak about the times before. I was raised on platitudes. "There is someone out there for anyone" "Just be yourself" "Be a good man and eventually you will meet her" I had no reason to trust on my inexperienced eyes over the people that are supposed to care about me and my future. Obviously it d…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:28 AM
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It also does not recognize all sorts of other agreements between two private parties acting in private. Precisely They do all the time. You just don’t recognize them as fulfilling a duty if they’re not shot to death anytime one fails. And you refuse to recognize any time any woman does ever fulfill her pledge— you systematically dismiss any and every duty a woman has ever fulfilled. It’s nothing but cherry picking. Ok. I will bite. Provide some examples then. Which duties towards their partners …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 01:05 AM
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Yes. I still don't understand the question Why would being a woman be any different then your shadow of a doubt theory on saving lives via having sex with them? What does that mean? You are comparing "Being a woman" with a hypothetical scenario and asking why would those be different. Because one is "Being a woman" and the other one is a hypothetical scenario in which "it is proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that sexlessness and lack of female attention and validation is the root cause for the…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/26 12:01 AM
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If it not in some way beneficial to them getting sex, everyone can rot Good to know someone gets it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:57 PM
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Women can persist for sure... see the islamic world.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:54 PM
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And I can promise there are vanishingly few males who would give their asshole virginity to a mentally ill individual I can believe that. with severe mental illness? Lol that’s wild. And let’s say in this hypothetical how many times does a woman have to give up her body to save this man? Once? 10 times? Bc I some how doubt this mentally ill individual will be cured by one 3 minute fuck session. I don't know. It was not part of the scenario. If you are interested in expanding it then add details.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:45 PM
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I am afraid I don't understand the question. Pleas re phrase.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:43 PM
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That was the hypothetical scenario described by OP. If we are not buying into it then there is no reason to continue the discussion. Assuming that as a base was the point.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:43 PM
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A valid alternative for the hypothetical scenario. I doubt it would happen because no one, not even men, care about men killing themselves but still a valid alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 11:41 PM
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Still dodging the hypothetical scenario. Not that I disagree with your points, but all of them are ignoring the hypothetical scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:10 PM
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"without a shadow of a doubt"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:09 PM
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If we aren’t interested in doing so to keep lonely men from hurting us, why would we do it to keep them from hurting themselves? Thank you for making it cristal clear. Honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:08 PM
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Not moving the goalpost was already "without a shadow of a doubt" in OP. Also, in the same OP it says "It is the root of" not merely "significantly increases risk of death"
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 10:04 PM
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It says it’s the root cause but doesn’t say sex is the only solution. Fair enough. The scenario could be better worded. I give you this one.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:45 PM
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Beyond the shadow of a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:44 PM
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Not the scenario described. The scenario described includes proving it beyond the shadow of a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:44 PM
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Yes. Even if I don't like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:10 PM
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You are just dodging the hypothetical. It doesn't matter how it doesn't work. It was proven to not work without a shadow of a doubt.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:09 PM
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I would do both if it was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that doing those are the best and only way to save lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:08 PM
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How about volunteer to donate your asshole to some unattractive gay guys to make them feel better. Male here. Straight as well. If it was proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that doing so would save lives I would do it. It would be deeply immoral not to do it. And frankly I am quite appalled at the response women had to this scenario. I had an idea of how little they care about men compared to their own comfort but I didn't think the situation was this extreme.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:07 PM
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Why does it need to be widely proven. Because that was the base of the hypothetical scenario described by OP
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:04 PM
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Who said the only option was to fuck them? Why would that scenario instantly mean that the only option is for women to pity fuck sad men? It was proven beyond a shadow of a doubt inside this scenario. Why not invest research and support for men who are so codependent on sex, they will kill themselves without it. Because the solution was already found. Without a shadow of a doubt. How is that not seen as a bigger systemic issue for men? Because the solution was already found. Now it is in the han…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 09:03 PM
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Maybe the tiny detail that is that this hypothetical scenario was not proven beyond a shadow of a doubt? The question is designed to see if women would save men's lives or keep themselves comfortable if those were the only options available.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:26 PM
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Thank you for reinforcing my argument/position
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:17 PM
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Thank you. Seriously. You made me realize how far away I am from women in this subreddit and for sure women in general. Would you change your views and behaviour? If it was proven without room for doubt that sexlessness and lack of MALE attention and validation is the root cause for the rates of male suicidality I would consider it immoral to not act and I am absolutely straight and feel repulsion when I think about having sex with men. But not doing something to avoid someone dying when it is w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 08:07 PM
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Already allowed, so you have no complaint. You already can do this with anyone willing to make this agreement. People can make their own information agreements privately if they want to. Two complaints. The first one, the law does not recognize those agreements made by two fully informed consenting adults. The second and most relevant: women don't want to enter into any agreement that gives them a duty towards their partners. And just like any other agreement like that, there’s no enforcement an…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 06:41 PM
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And how would that be monitored and enforced? Does the government decide who was too sick? What about exhaustion? Does that count as a medical issue or not? What about just medically unexplained pain? It is an agreement between private parties. If you can get to that point with an employer why can't you get to the same point with a human? Your simple solution is an empty dismissal you didn’t think about at all. See above. I don't have to re invent anything. It is one example of something that co…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 04:21 PM
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Which account would be my second one? This is news for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/26 03:53 PM
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People that you had to talk to and see on a near daily basis, does their temperment and behavior matter to you? Not as much as how useful and reliable they are. Would you want to hang out with a person who is unpleasant and rude? Would you call that person your friend? If they are useful and reliable, yes. Would you want a roommate that is inconsiderate and self centered? I can work with self centered. I just have to make sure they know that their self interest and mine are aligned. As long as t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:33 PM
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Not a rich older man. A man that is in arguably the highest position of power in the world.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:35 PM
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I won’t because sugar dating can be exclusive and long-term. Not long term. Eventually the woman stops being a sugar baby. Also renewable agreements have a date for renewal that can be used as date of end of agreement. Men say the same thing about dating. So? So it is not exclusive. Because the sugar baby is considering other options all the time. It is her job to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:24 PM
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Since nobody can promise honestly they can fulfill that duty (and never be sick or have a medical issue), it is nonsensical to build any marriages around it. Then define the duty in a way that excludes medical issues. I am not a genius and I can think of that. Yes, you beleive that because you beleive sexual servitude is the only possible duty a woman could ever fulfill. Not true. I believe women would have an issue with any duty because they don't like the idea of losing freedom. Women fulfill …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:21 PM
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You cannot always fulfill that duty, even if you intend to. You’d be punished for failing to get an erection or just for being sick or having a medical problem. If I can't always fulfill my duty then I should not have taken that duty upon myself. It is on me to solve that or to be punished for failing to fulfill my duty. You can stop whining that women don’t have to sign up to be rape slaves already. Not the point. I said hat women have a problem with having a duty towards their partners. Things…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 08:00 PM
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Melania and Trump are a solid couple. Really? That is your argument? A position so rare that it literally is one of a kind and can't be replicated? Plus in medieval times people arranged marriage for political and business reasons We are not in medieval times. Most men on earth don't get to be of political/business relevance.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 07:07 PM
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Believe me. It is neither. By the nature of the agreement there is constant competition (not exclusive) and the arrangement has a final date either because it is renewable (and thus can end at any time) or because she will stop being a sugar baby some day.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:48 PM
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Sugar dating. Not long term. Not exclusive. .
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 06:34 PM
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Long term exclusivity is not for sale. If it was for sale then you would have a point.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:28 PM
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Suffer the consequences of picking the wrong man. I rather have a shot and risk failure.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 05:02 PM
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Sure. I have no problem against having a duty towards my partner. My problem is that women do have a problem with having a duty towards their partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:53 PM
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I believe you. My argument stands.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 04:22 PM
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Sexual and relationship market value that comes with existing instead of being earnest through being successful in your actions and decisions. Being attractive to a gender that is willing to support your lifestyle without you needing to work assuming you are a good enough partner. Women can work or become stay at home partners/mothers because men are willing to pay. Since I was born a male I need to earn my sexual/relationship market value and working is not an option, it is the only viable way …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:48 PM
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You do realize that in that scenario where a man is willing to provide for you without working, you’d be raising kids, not just sitting around working on your tan. Yes. I rather spend time with my family or working directly on my home than work for a boss/client/corporation. Furthermore you don’t have to be a woman for that. Theres plenty of stay at home dads and it’s becoming less stigmatized every day. You are well aware that those men and the women willing to support them are a statistical an…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:46 PM
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I am a heterosexual male. And I would gladly change my position with a heterosexual woman. It is frankly frustrating to see women have every single advantage I would have loved to have and waste it trying to live in the only way I have available to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:35 PM
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I guess, let me re-phrase, would you be ok with duty sex that involves you being penetrated? Because that is a very big difference in how it feels. Being penetrated is completely different from being the penetrator. If that was already what you were referring to, then never mind. I was going off the assumption that you were doing the penetrating My duty is "to fulfill my partner's sexual needs" The answer is yes. I will fulfill my duty. As for sex being physical, that really depends on the perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:30 PM
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Fair. I would still change places and take SA as an acceptable price to not have to work.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:17 PM
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Genuine question—but how would you enjoy the ‘sex’ if your partner was hurting the whole time and essentially begging for it to be over? No. That would be a shit way to fulfill a duty. The duty is "to satisfy the sexual needs of your partner" not "to have sex". It could be argued that such a poor performance does not count as fulfilling their duty. Personally, I care about my partner and seeing him in pain is not a turn on. Healthy sex should be mutually enjoyable (even duty sex or at the very l…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 03:15 PM
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Would you still be ok with duty sex if it resulted in constant pain and you get injured? Yes because if I am in a monogamous relationship it is my duty to see that my partner's sexual needs are met. I’m also wondering, would it not bother you that your partner is using your body and doesn’t care about how you’re feeling or that you’re getting hurt? It would not bother me. If anything I would be glad to be valued for what I am (a body) instead of being valued for what I am not (my actions) But I’…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:20 PM
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I doubt the trauma of SA is comparable to the obligation of having to work for a living. That being said. I would gladly trade places with a woman and risk SA for a chance to be able to live without working for a living by being in a relationship with a man willing to provide for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 02:09 PM
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Own it. Take the hair off. Be bald. No half measures.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 12:33 PM
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At the same time, I refuse to believe the number of men for whom it isn't a tragedy is so small Consider how much time and effort is spent doing things to get a partner/to become attractive enough to get one.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 11:45 AM
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Do you believe people have free will? Not really. Humans are overcomplicated chemical reactions. In the same way no human has control over the chemical reactions happening in/within their body no human truly controls their actions. We evolved a strong sense that free will is a thing, it is hard to shrug off and even harder to speak as if free will does not exist but that is the case. Surely, the threat of starvation is nowhere near the same level as the pain of being single. Different ways of dy…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/26 10:27 AM
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A minority so tiny that it can be ignored. Exceptions do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 01:14 PM
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when I know you’d do it We don't live in that reality. That "would" is as real as me having wings.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 09:28 AM
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If more said yes you’d fuck them too. And if I had wings I would be a bird. We live in this reality. There is no use on "what ifs" So that should make you feel special. Not her. That gives her control over who she is special to. You are on charge of managing your own feelings. If you decide not to see that as a positive that is on you.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 04:03 AM
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You missed the point. The one that says yes is special because she said yes. Men don't get a lot of "yes"
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:57 AM
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You underestimate how rare "said yes" is. It can literally make you one in a million.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/26 03:50 AM
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Wait they'd pay damages? It is that or the people will defend themselves with violence. Usually it is cheaper to pay for people to calm down instead of fighting them To who? The ones that are damaged Who would collect them? The company will pay because it is easier to pay people to calm down than to fight against them, The courts are part of the government which wouldn't exist... Conflict resolution can be done through private institutions. You can pay for arbiters to solve conflicts between dif…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 06:30 PM
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would corporations still poison lakes and rivers They would. They would just pay for the damages that is cheaper than being ecologically responsible. and rip people off and violate people's privacy and stuff without the state Yes. People would be stupid and sell their privacy or be ripped off because they are stupid. I'm trying to work out which is better in your view - a democratically elected government that is meant to represent the people even if they suck most of the time, or, NO government…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 03:18 PM
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What's the role of the state in your view, I'm curious. I mean broadly - what are taxes - if there are any taxes - for? Roads, police etc. And if police then what crimes should police primarily focus on? I personally believe the state is just a parasite that evolved to not kill its host. Society had to decide between roaming thieves that stole from you until they kill you or a local mafia that defended you from thieves but stole from you, but at least they let you live to steal from you next yea…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 02:48 PM
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Do you want to be around a person who outright hates you because you don’t give them what they want? And that they think it’s funny when Violet crimes are committed against people they’re jealous of? That does not disqualify a woman as a potential partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:31 PM
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That looks like someone saying that being nice would get a man laid.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 12:29 PM
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Great. I rather be judged by my actions rather than my personality and I rather judge people by their actions instead of their personalities. She does what I want, I do what she wants. We both win.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/26 01:53 AM
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Ok. Then answer the questions. Are men/slaves going to be the one that have to put down fires? Move food/medicine/fuel around? Run oil rigs? Maintain the power grid? How are you supposed to keep society running without those? Or are you going to use women for those? How did you get to the point that all men were unarmed again?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:19 PM
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It is not worth it for a man to speak about that to a woman. Chances are the relationship will go bad and he will only be closer to kissing a moving train.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:05 PM
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Cool. More details. How did you even get to the point in which men don't have access to them? How do you keep it that way after getting to that point? Any details on the logistics on how to keep half of the population slaved when they overpower you on physical strength? Because only one slip in which they get weapons put you at a severe disadvantage. Are any of the slaves going to do work that is critical for the infrastructure that keeps society running? Because that would be even more dangerou…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:42 PM
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I already got what I want from life ten years ago. From then on I only fight entropy and change until I die. That being said I will never forget the pain, time and effort I needed to spend to get what I wanted nor the pain, time and effort required to keep it. I would have loved to have someone telling me truths instead of platitudes.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:36 PM
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And men would just...not have any?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:16 PM
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Pleas go into detail. How are you going to keep men from simply overpowering anyone that wants to enslave them?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:23 PM
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Sure. How would that "enslaving men" work? Which army will be the one enslaving all men and keeping them all enslaved?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:05 PM
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Sure. How would that work?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 09:30 AM
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Oh. Then remember that in this scenario there is no robbery. She accepted a responsibility to provide sex in this scenario and she loses resources as a consequences of breaching the contract.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 07:27 AM
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Since you refuse to engage with the hypothetical scenario this thread is discussing there is no point in following the conversation. The entire point of this conversation is to discuss a scenario in which women have a responsibility and how to deal with they deciding they are not going to fulfill it after they agreed to take said responsibility upon themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:14 AM
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In this scenario it is only her lawful property as long as she fulfills her obligations. Why are you ignoring that part?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 03:00 AM
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Ok. Thank you for your definition. First thing. There is no force involved. She can pick whether to fulfill the obligations she freely taken upon herself in this hypothetical scenario or suffer an economic penalty. If she decides to fulfill her obligations she consents so there is no rape. If she decides she does not want to fulfill her obligations she is in breach of contract so she suffers a penalty, which is not stealing. Marital assets re rightfully hers as long as she fulfills her obligatio…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:40 AM
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Oh so we are not using the regular definitions. Please provide your definition of marital rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:20 AM
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Behaviors rarely have an impact on how sexually attracted I am towards a woman. Chances are that masculine behavior can maybe reduce the attraction I feel towards a woman but I can't imagine femenine behavior increasing my sexual attraction towards her. That being said I don't make decisions based on sexual attraction. I make decisions based on her behavior. Immoral behavior disqualifies any woman, femenine behavior increases the chances that I would pick her because it increases her value as a …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:19 AM
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That is ok. Don't assume obligations you are not willing to fulfill. The women that really value marriage will accept those obligations and fulfill them. The women that don't will remain unmarried.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:14 AM
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That is not marital rape. It is the consequences of breaching the contract
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 02:13 AM
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I don't care about the house I live in. Whatever my partner wants she gets as long as I am getting what I want from her.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/26 12:06 AM
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I am reading and doubting
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:23 PM
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Yes, there are women that date mentally ill men. I don't doubt that. What I doubt is the existence of women that are ok with men being honest and opening up about actual weaknesses and vulnerabilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:18 PM
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How? She is not obligated to consent, she can pick the monetary punishment. He does not have to force her to do anything. She can pick to either consent or suffer monetary damages.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:15 PM
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They can simply date women who are okay with those things. Bold to assume those women exist. I would not be dating a man like this in the first place. I know. You and most women. My preferences clearly bother you, but that is a “you” problem for you to figure out. It doesn't bother me. I just want that your position is clear for men to take into consideration when they are deciding if they are going to be honest with their partners and open themselves. Just don't do it bro. It is not worth it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:14 PM
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Good thing for women. There are so many men that are willing to tolerate those expressions that they are actually free to be vulnerable and honest without fearing being alone as a result.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:11 PM
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You heard it guys. Be honest but not if your honesty would show incompetency, suicidal desires or social insecurity. Keep it in until you die. Nothing that you don't know probably but in case you didn't knew, now you know.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:07 PM
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Why does there need to be financial compensation? Because when you breach your contract you are causing damage to the party that counted on you fulfilling your obligations? Compensation is different than a penalty. Both sides of the same coin Is their some sort of incentive beside having to pay? Incentive for what? Incentive for fulfilling your obligations? The incentive for you continuing to fulfill your obligations is that the other party has to continue to fulfill their obligations.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 11:04 PM
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Sure. Consent must be given freely and not under threat of someone initiating force upon you. How is your comment related to what I was saying?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:59 PM
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Thank you for the honesty. I hope men hear it well. Remember guys, honesty is not good when being honest means showing actual weakness.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:58 PM
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If a woman acted the way I outlived in the inappropriate way men would also fund that deeply unattractive. Do you seriously believe that? I believe men can live with that and would not even consider leaving a woman for that reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:57 PM
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So... honesty as long as honesty says what you find acceptable?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:55 PM
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It is not just "don't like them" is "unacceptable" You would not call starving to death "an option" it is so contrary to human nature that it can't be considered an option. Being an incel is the same. So contrary to human nature that it can't be seriously considered as an option.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:53 PM
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Why do we need to ruin people who break obligations? So people think twice before getting into a contract and more than twice before breaching a contract. But as I said before, if the parties that are creating the contract want to use a lesser penalty I am not going to stop them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:49 PM
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Correct. So it doesn't work for the vast majority of the population. Let alone men that don't get any legal advantage from it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:44 PM
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Why must the penalty for breach of contract be ruinously costly? To create an incentive structure that punishes the breaching of the contract. If the penalty can be easily shrugged off then there is no incentive to fulfill your obligations. That seems excessive for a breach of this type. Penalties for breaching contracts are pretty normal, but not typically ruinously so. I am ok with making all penalties for breaching contract ruinously costly. You took an obligation upon you, fulfill it or be r…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:41 PM
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Precisely. So the contract does not work because it only functions for a tiny minority of the population.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:31 PM
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Fair. Revoking consent would be a breach of contract. The one that breaches contract should be monetarily punished to the point of bankrupcy so there is an incentive structure that rewards fulfilling the obligations you freely take upon yourself and punishes not fulilling said obligations. That way you keep your precious right to revoke consent and there is a punishment for blatantly refusing to fulfill the obligations you took upon yourself. You are still free to pick between financial ruin or …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 10:29 PM
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From his replies, it's pretty clear that he's extremely bitter that women are the more desired sex. Close enough. I am frustrated by women's lack of accountability and how they waste all the advantages that come from being the more desired sex. Every failed relationship is by default, the fault of the woman for not choosing better. Correct. That is what comes from having options. So he wants a world where women have limited freedom and by extension, little to no say on who they choose to be in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:58 PM
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Come on. That is just lazy. By that logic a contract that makes a party get kicked in the balls all day for no reward at all works because it is not mandatory.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:46 PM
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That does not mean it works. That just mean that if it doesn't work it is not mandatory to enter into it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:09 PM
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Her autonomy is present in the contract/agreement she freely entered into while being fully informed And the same applies to men. Just fulfill your obligations. I don't care Eid you are male, female or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 09:05 PM
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My argument is rape is wrong Agree and something mandated or put in a contract does not make it illegal. It makes it breach of contract. Lots of people make dumb decisions in emotional states and you are absolutely giving others leeway to take advantage of them, “it’s in a contract” is just code for “here is a ticket to creatively trick to someone into signing it”. As long as they are fully informed adults. Yes So yeah, rape is wrong. Agree. Legally mandating it in a contract and giving it anoth…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:59 PM
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I do care about what the other person wants. That is what I need to know to offer a deal they will accept. I can only get what I want if I give the other person what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:51 PM
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Is there an argument from your part or just disagreement? Right, so someone saying “I agree to sign off my right to make a decision” therefore makes marital rape entirely legal and ethical? No. But it makes the refusal to follow on the agreement a breach of contract that must be punished monetarily ñ. Oh wait sorry, it is contractual and given a different name, therefore it is not that See above. Breach of contract/agreement is bad. If you agreed to something then fulfill your obligations. LOL, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:50 PM
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Okay, so in your mind, if someone is mandated - even if this mandates includes legal force (because that’s what this obligation is),then therefore ethics does not fit into the conversation? Does that mean that every law ever passed has therefore no reason to justify itself ethically? In my mind any agreement freely entered into by fully informed consenting adults does not have to justify itself ethically. Laws on the other hand must because they apply to humans that did not consent to them. In t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:43 PM
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It is not ethical. He should not use initiate force to get there to fulfill her obligations. She should not refuse to fulfill her obligations either. In this scenario she, a fully informed consenting adult, entered into a contract in which she assumed that obligation. She is in breach of contract. She should be monetarily punished. She should be made an example so every single other human that is considering not fulfilling their obligations makes math in their head before deciding if they can af…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:36 PM
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I am keeping and eye on it and would like to live to find the answer
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:33 PM
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An alternative. Women if given freedom are not willing to marry or have children in enough numbers to sustain society.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:31 PM
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If she does not want to fulfill her obligations. Breach of contract. To be punished monetarily.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:27 PM
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I said that the option must be an acceptable one. Most men don't find being an incel acceptable.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:27 PM
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If the letter of the agreement is that vague then of course you have a point. I have nothing against using loopholes in an agreement two fully informed consenting adults entered into
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:26 PM
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Please elaborate
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:25 PM
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I make different arguments to defend different positions all the time. I am in a debate subreddit. If you ask me for my personal position I am a liberal and I would prefer for no state involvement and no initiation of violence.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:24 PM
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I was just showing how it is possible to create a system in which women have an obligation towards their husbands and it does not need to involve marital rape. Financial compensation for failing to fulfilling the obligation is something that can be implemented. It doesn't need to include marital assets. Any kind of monetary punishment for failing to fulfill obligations could work as long as it creates an adequate incentive structure to fulfill said obligations
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:20 PM
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I know. I was just showing how it is possible to create a system in which women have an obligation towards their husbands and it does not need to involve marital rape. Financial compensation for failing to fulfilling the obligation is something that can be implemented.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:15 PM
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Absolutely agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:13 PM
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How do you..with presumably a straight face identify that allowing men to enslave women through forced marriage, would save the marriage rate I didn't say it was an acceptable solution. But it is a solution. Right up there is a solution to the male loneliness epidemic is to kill all the unattractive men. Problem solved! It would solve the problem. Men died in wars often enough. That solved the issue in the past.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:13 PM
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She is free to have her own life. As long as she fulfills her part of the deal I will fulfill mine. My relationship with Miss moral has nothing to do with my point. My point being that being dependent on someone else's consent to get your needs met is worse than not being dependent on someone else's consent to get your needs met.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:04 PM
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"Whether or not I ruin your life is irrelevant. Come be my spouse. It'll be great." As long as there is consent, it is irrelevant. That's not consent. It is not consent to sex if they do not wanna be there. Marital SA laws are in place to prevent and obtain justice for exactly what you're describing. The entire point of the discussion is that it is possible to consent without enthusiasm nor feeling like it. You can't just assert the opposite without providing an argument. My point is that you ca…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 08:03 PM
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Or it could be enforced without the need of marital rape. Let's say that if he can prove the wife did not fulfill her legal obligation she loses her share of marital assets in divorce. Noe she has room to say no. She just loses money if he decides to divorce her.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:46 PM
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Great. You noticed the solution to both the birth rates and the marriage rates.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:40 PM
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So you think being able to rape people is an advantage? Not rape. We are talking about two fully informed consenting adults entering into a relationship/contract knowing exactly what they are getting themselves into and which obligations they will have in it. You’re clearly lacking in some reading comprehension. Women who give up careers but are eligible for child support are not at an advantage - that’s basically achieving equilibrium. Not really. They are getting paid for the opportunity cost …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:39 PM
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It works perfectly fine for women maybe. Why do you believe a contract that provides no legal advantage to men works perfectly for men?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:36 PM
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Sexual harm is uniquely psychologically damaging. In terms of measurable impact - suicidality, addiction, PTSD development - it's worse than violent near-death experiences, including active combat. Even harm that appears less severe is disproportionately damaging. (The impact of sexual harassment is much deeper than that of nonsexual harassment, and can approach the severity of penetrative SA.) Comparing that experience to sweeping a floor to get a paycheck belies ignorance. Irrelevant. Consent …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:35 PM
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That is already the position most men are in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:24 PM
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Right, alimony (which is awarded in 10% of divorces) and child support (to take care of kids) are such huge legal advantages in a marriage. /s Better than no legal advantage at all. Women are more likely than men to sacrifice career progression and earning potential due to being the ones to have kids. And they get a legal advantage. Women are also more likely to be initially awarded primary custody (which is the real “”legal advantage”” but you’re not even concerned with that evidently) so like,…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:23 PM
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Solved the marriage crisis and the birthrate crisis in one single swoop.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:21 PM
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Sure. But that does not change that as long as a man does not get multiple options he can't pick better and it is stupid to ask him to do so. Until he gets options to pick better from, he does not get to pick better, he accepts what he can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:16 PM
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Considering that women initiate most divorces, that women tend to marry men that earn more than them, and that women tend to take time from work to spend time with the kids more often than men... Alimony and child support. Sure you might say that those policies are gender neutral in the letter of the law but they are not in the actual practice and effect of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:10 PM
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Are birth rates in Islamic countries near zero?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 07:04 PM
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This crap again. Ok. Another time for those that did not read it before. In order to pick better you need options available to you. Multiple. Plural. At the same time. And those options must be acceptable. (Picking between starvation and shitty food is not having options) Women have or can easily have multiple men interested in them at the same time so they can pick better. Men rarely have multiple women interested in them at the same time so it makes no sense to ask them to pick better. They do…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:58 PM
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No. I didn't say it was valid nor equivalent. I never said rape either. If it is a part of a contract that it is agreed upon by fully informed adults then there is consent. What I said is that if marriage had an advantage for men that would be an improvement and I can imagine why some men would consider it a good thing compared to the current version in which the man has no legal advantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:53 PM
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Oh for sure. I agree. Women can easily filter attractive men from non attractive men. That was never an issue for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:49 PM
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Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:46 PM
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Have to? Are you using the words correctly? She can leave if she accepts the consequences. Staying out of fear for the consequences of your actions (picking the wrong partner and leaving the workforce) is not the same as "having to" stay. And what about all the women who have to stay married in abusive relationships because they haven’t worked and have no money for a lawyer or money to move? They divorce and get cash and prices from the man in the form of alimony.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:39 PM
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Anything that helps women vet. God knows they need any help they can get.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:37 PM
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To have some kind of legal advantage in marriage instead of only downsides when divorce happens? I can't imagine why.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:33 PM
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I am pro any agreement freely made by fully informed consenting adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:28 PM
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It is awesome for anyone involved. Why bother having relationships with humans that have free will and end up dependent on someone else's free will for your social needs when you have an option to get your needs met without becoming dependent on someone else's free will?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:15 PM
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Age is a factor only because if who needs that product/service. It is obvious young women would need that service less than older women. Young women are at their peak when it comes to attractiveness. The opposite happens for men. Young men did not have any time to build themselves. Remember, women are valued for what they are and men are valued for what they do. Young men didn't have any time to do anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:13 PM
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I hope I am wrong but I am sure we will find out that women would not be attracted to marriage if it comes with any obligation form her towards her husband. I stand correct. Women don't want to have any obligation towards their husbands.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 06:10 PM
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That's SA. Idk if you just don't know what SA is, or you don't wanna use the term bc it's a bad look. But it is factual that you are describing is SA. I said "agreed upon" if there is agreement there is consent. If there is consent there is no SA. Can withhold consent at any time. Consent has to be given every single time. And if it isn't freely given, informed, reversible, specific and enthusiastic, it's not consent. You aren't describing consent. Not running away or fighting back isn't consent…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 05:54 PM
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Submitting to SA is not part of a relationship. I never mentioned SA. Consent is still part of doing as agreed upon. Even if I did mentioned it, anything that is agreed upon as part of the relationship is part of the relationship. Whether you like it or not. Whether it sounds nice or awful. That's an archaic idea that comes from a time in which women were literal livestock. (I wouldn't recommend SAing livestock, ftr. They deserve better than abuse, too.) No. It comes from the idea that fully inf…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:47 PM
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It's possible to have a healthy marriage without sex. I disagree. Too vague. This includes health reasons. It's not possible to have a healthy marriage without respect. And why do you think that ultimatums are not respect? Human beings don't work like that. If that's what he wants, he doesn't want a human being. Human beings have free will and work exactly as they decide to work. If he wants a human being, he doesn't want an entity that isn't human. There is nothing inhuman about doing your part…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:30 PM
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That's an ultimatum. Ultimatums are not healthy. Healthier than a dead bedroom. That way she is free to choose which way to go. Consent or leave the marriage. If he expects her to genuinely want sex forever, according to his schedule of desire, he doesn't want a wife. Says you. It is cruel and dishonest to pretend he does. And who are you to decide what someone else wants or does not want? I suggest a sex doll and hiring a housekeeper. Noted. Not really important.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 04:16 PM
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If she consented, she'd be trying to have sex. Sure. It doesn't contradict anything I said. Consent isn't compliance. I don't know how this is relevant. I would make things simple. Either she consents to sex or he no longer consents to being married and divorces. If she wants him to consent to remain married she must consent to sex. That is all.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:28 PM
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The alternative is... She consents.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:18 PM
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I didn't say nonconsensual. You added that part.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:15 PM
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I said men want sex in marriage. You took it to the point of owning someone else's body.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 03:12 PM
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Most marriages become sexless eventually. Too vague. That includes physical incapability due to sickness. Most marriages don't end in divorce. See above. Yes, if a requirement is no longer having bodily autonomy, it would need to be written in. Wouldn't hold up anymore in most places, as marital SA is recognized, but it would at least have some appearance of legitimacy. Fair enough. Men should put that in writing then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 02:07 PM
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Considering a marriage without sex is quite likely to end up in divorce does it need to be literally written in s contract that sex is a requirement?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/26 12:56 PM
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I hope so but I don't know it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:58 PM
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It will be this way as long as incels remain a minority. And I would like that. It is better for everyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:51 PM
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Hmmm doesn’t seem to be working out so well for all the loser incels who keep crying that they can’t get access to pussy, huh? Of course it is not working. They are a minority. For now. The successful men in power have no interest in helping loser men. Men in power are never incels. They will always remain below women on the hierarchy. They will remain at the top as long as they keep incels as a minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:36 PM
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Average and below average women aren’t leading lives they like. Delusional. They didn't need my intervention so they liked the lives they were having. And personally I get it. I would switch positions with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:29 PM
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Everywhere in the world the same rule applies. If enough men want something they get it. And they don't need to ask politely.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:26 PM
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And I will consider their existence after they stop being children.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:23 PM
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I am not an average man. I had to stop being an average man. Economically I never was an average man. And my partner is not an average woman, not even a below average woman. She is waaaaay below average. That is the entire point of picking her. Average and below average women didn't need my intervention. They already got lives they liked.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:21 PM
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And Chad will side with women Women are not a factor. Look at Iran. A minority of the male population sided with women. A majority of the male population motivated enough sided with Sharia.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:18 PM
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Not true. As a below average women I would have a better chance to get the life I want for cheaper compared to me being an average man.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:17 PM
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You are very narrow sighted if you think men don’t also benefit from safety nets. All those children being raised by mothers using social safety nets do you think none of those children are boys? Those boys become men. And I don't care about minors. I am talking about men. Hell here in Australia our prime minister was raised by a single Mum in social housing. Without that net he wouldn’t have gotten to where he is. Safety nets help all of society which includes men. See above.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:14 PM
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You did so buy essentially buying a wife, how many more extremely overhead homeless women will get that same “opportunity”? Very few. And how many homeless men will get the same opportunity? Don't you see the unfairness? Miss moral, my partner did not had to become above average in every single aspect measurable to get what she wanted from life. All she had to do was to exist. So you being an average man boded far better than what most of the below average women will experience. Cost/benefit. Su…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:13 PM
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Things won’t be ‘fair’ regardless. Not a good argument. Can be used to support any atrocities. Women deal with biological disadvantages that cause a lot of the social safety nets op is complaining about No. Humans cause the safety nets. women get pregnant and are usually the parent who bears the brunt for f child rearing so when single they have a harder time to put food on table for the kids- ergo the social safety nets seeing as society doesn’t want starving children. And yet women are the one…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:10 PM
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Oh. I see your point. I am sorry but I don't have numbers with me if that is what you need. If you don't believe what OP is saying is true then I have no interest to convince you. Everything said is as far as I know, quite easy to see for anyone that cares to look.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:06 PM
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I rather be an average woman. Hell. Even below average woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:05 PM
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By everything mentioned by OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:03 PM
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This applies to rulers all over the world. If enough men want you gone, you are gone. You must always keep enough men on your side. You keep them on your side by giving them whatever they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 11:02 PM
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How about you strive to be that kind of man rather than an average woman? Because it is unfair that average women get easier lives than average men. Either fairness matters in all aspects of life or it does not matter in any.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:59 PM
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You don’t speak for me or any other dude I know You are correct and all you’re doing is making more women hate us for no reason. Ok. You’re not going to prevent incel-dom by threatening women with rape and slavery, and the fact that you would even try is fucking DESPICABLE. I am not trying to prevent inceldom. I am trying to prevent incels from becoming a politically motivated vote block that can vote women's rights away. I would rather go the rest of my life never touching a woman, than have se…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:05 PM
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Argumentum ad absurdum incoming - "we'll vote for men's rights if men throw themselves off the Golden Gate Bridge." How does one meaningfully "consider" that? In a propper negotiation no side gets everything they want. Which men? Which rights? Let's go into details. Okay, well if you have the capacity for empathy I don't have it. Cognitive empathy at best. then I'm not sure why it's beyond you to understand the greater pain and suffering of women in the position men demand. At the end of the day…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 10:03 PM
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Maybe you find it worse. I don't believe it is worse. To believe someone deserves something speaks about the moral code I have. To wish something upon someone speaks about my will to have my moral code imposed on someone. I don't do the latter. I do believe that people I consider evil deserve bad things happening to them. I don't want to impose my morality on anyone. So I don't even wish bad things on people I believe deserve them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:59 PM
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If you are stupid. Sure. I guess that could be the case of you are not smart about it. This doesn't make sense in context. You can't be "smart about" the feelings someone else is trying to inspire in you. Ignoring it is smart. Ignoring a potential problem is not smart. You can't reason people out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. I disagree. Men feeling like a wife and children is their only "viable path to happiness" is a problem within men. This makes about as much sense as wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:56 PM
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Yes. I believe they deserve it. I never denied that. I deny that I wish for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:31 PM
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I believe the experiences you describe are true. I don't believe the men you met are an example of average incels
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:30 PM
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If you don't live under Sharia law then it is not a problem yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:28 PM
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It is codependent by design. And by design there will never be children. This incentive structure does not allow for them to exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:27 PM
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Women having rights does not result in men not getting laid either. As I have said, the majority of men will have sex and even marry. I believe you. We better keep men believing that is the case. Being an orbiter has never been a better strategy to getting laid, over choosing to be a sexual aggressor. We better keep men believing that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:09 PM
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Quite well. I found my partner miss moral 10 years ago, we are still together. I am I charge of giving her the lifestyle she wants. She is in charge of giving me the lifestyle I want. The only way any of us gets what we want is if we give the other what they want.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:08 PM
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And yet you just did by saying, "you deserve whatever happens to you." Are you confusing deserving and wishing? Suggesting that that person deserves violence or no rights because she doesn't want to have sex or date every male that expresses interest to her. Are you confusing deserving with wishing? I am perfectly able to believe someone deserves X and not wish X upon them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:06 PM
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It makes you susceptible to bullshit manipulation attempts. If you are stupid. Sure. I guess that could be the case of you are not smart about it. Fear is wielded in this manner by politicians constantly. Then be smart. And this is exactly your motivation, if you were being honest. Oh so you can read my mind now. If you can't I can ignore this sentence. Once again, other human beings, who aren't for sale. This is not a reasonable, rational demand. That just means you are lacking in imagination. …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:05 PM
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I disagree. Most men try. I am sure there are some that don't or some that give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:01 PM
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No one has ever thought that letting women participate in society meant zero sex either. For that reason women have rights. If men are so simple minded that they do whatever it takes to get sex, then women are correct in thinking that men will never stop being rapists and a danger to us. You are mostly correct. There will always be rapists and there will always be dangerous men. Since cavemen times men realized that being the one that protects women from rapists is a better strategy to get laid …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 08:01 PM
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To Uyghurs. Not to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:56 PM
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Please elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:55 PM
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Not an actual incel. If you actually want something no price is too high. No process is too grueling.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:54 PM
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I don't wish anyone to end up badly. Not even people that deserve it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:51 PM
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Oh so then she does not truly care about it. She is voluntary celibate. Not an actual incel.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:51 PM
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If men during that time were absolutely convinced that giving women their rights would mean no sex forever they would have never voted in favor of women's rights. Men avoid doing things they are convinced will make them incels.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:50 PM
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If that is what is needed to find a man that passes the vetting process then anything that acts against it is weakness of will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:48 PM
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Not self respect. Weakness of will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:46 PM
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I hope that is the case.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:44 PM
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I could never stomach it for long before just giving up. There it is. The flaw on th vetting process.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:43 PM
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Men will do whatever they think is more likely to get them laid. The trick is to keep them believing they are more likely to get laid in a world that has women's rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:41 PM
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Look at what they do. Men will do whatever they believe will get them laid. The trick is to keep them believing that they are more likely to get laid in a world in which women have rights.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/26 07:40 PM
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