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How much you want to bet Iliza Schlesinger got accused of being a pick me, because her earlier jokes were often making fun of women? I noticed at a certain point her jokes pivioted from dating and girl’s night culture, to this hyper pro-women feminist trite.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/25 03:18 PM
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Because there has never been a time when they actually cared about what’s true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/08/25 04:00 PM
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Menslib fell off bigtime There was never a time when they were on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 06:27 PM
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Okay sure, but what does that actually mean?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 04:50 PM
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Just stand your ground, keep the message up, don’t back down. I think we are more likely to convince the younger women growing up noticing the toxic environment ruined by the feminist gender war they are growing up in, rather than sway the women your age who double down that they have the “right” to toxify the social environment. But that means hold steady, Hold frame, don’t stop speaking your truth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/25 05:17 PM
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Right, they have to angle argument toward something they actually care about: women and children. It’s a very sad state of ”it is what it is.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/25 03:19 PM
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Would it be wrong to suggest one explanation of why bisexual women statistically prefer men is because since there is virtually no penalty for a woman being bisexual in hetero relationships, then when women who are still mostly straight but kind of heteroflexible, can claim to be bisexual for extra minority brownie points, while still living a lifestyle that is almost entirely straight?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/07/25 03:54 PM
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The place is really about narrative control and maintenance of the group’s comfort zone. Bingo, that sub is completely about optics. They are TRYING to look as reasonable as possible to the viewer, but they still fall short of that because they are legitimately lack self-awareness.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 04:29 PM
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Right you are, which is exactly why it’s a fallacy to try and please them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 04:24 PM
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They represent the typical feminist attitude pretty accurately. You are experiencing toxicity because that’s the state of your average feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/25 04:09 PM
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It’s better to fight back and struggle doing it than do nothing at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/25 02:42 PM
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There are LGBT people here right now, it can’t just be they are all against us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/25 05:31 PM
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The expectation that what I find physically attractive should just randomly change as I age has never made any sense to me. It make sense when you stop giving them the benefit of the doubt that they have your best intentions in mind, and realize they are manipulating you (and every man in the dating pool) for their benefit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 05:05 PM
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I think being accused of dirtiness has more to do with being a man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/06/25 05:03 PM
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There is really no compelling case to make online harassment a gendered issue. The internet is the Wild West, it’s not objectively better for women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 04:35 PM
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Feminists can literally advocate for genocide and still get the benefit of the doubt that “No no, they mean the good kind of genocide.” There is no other group that can mortify themselves by letting the worst of the worst sentiments come out of their mouths and still be taken seriously by the mainstream like these people can.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/25 04:33 PM
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You’re going to pull something with all that reaching.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 11:38 PM
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Specifically what systems are violent against women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/25 04:50 PM
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Did you fall down a flight of stairs and land in this sub?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 03:39 PM
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You are just talking yourself into accepting the status quo. People could have easily made the argument that women are wired to be home makers and could never be leaders a hundred of year ago. It’s easy to just say “Every is this way for a reason and can’t be changed” but then nothing is accomplished.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 03:23 PM
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This explains nothing I said about how we perceive worth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 03:15 PM
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I’m not asking for fucking dating advice dude, I’m not even single.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/25 03:13 PM
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He said to no one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 02:13 PM
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For a man, it has to be earned by the things you do or achieve, and if those circumstances change, then out you go! And yes, it is very dehumanizing. It’s not just that it has to be earned though, it’s that after it has been earned that worthiness can be taken away at any moment if you ever slip.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/25 02:11 PM
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“I don’t equate Jews with the grand Jewish conspiracy.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 04:07 PM
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Feminists equate men with the patriarchy amongst each other and then say “the patriarchy hurts men too” when they want men to stop talking about their issues on their own terms. They will say anything to justify their misandry and make you stop calling it out. At the end of the day, they just want you to stfu.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/25 03:55 PM
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This is an obviously disingenuous position because the same feminist would definitely argue misogyny often comes from woman. I don’t think we need to spend too much time dismantling bad faith arguments that are obviously said in bad faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/25 03:22 PM
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Never take feminist arguments at face value, when they argue with you, their goal is not to enlighten you with facts or an insightful perspective, their goal is to make you shut the fuck up. Feminist arguments are literally just silencing tactics, and they will contradict themselves 1000 times over to make that happen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/25 03:17 PM
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The way you act tells me everything I need to know about you. Here's the catch: I don't call them 'incels' and you shouldn't either because that term is both an insult and an identity for som eof the most scummy people. What you call them is irrelevant. If you are involuntarily you are an incel regardless of whatever you call yourself one or not. Nobody on those forums signed up to be an incel, they are because of circumstance first and foremost, not because of their worldview. Also yes, incels …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 06:24 PM
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People identify as incel because they are involuntarily celebrate. It is a state of being first, a worldview second almost always misogynistic and pedophilic. That’s fucking nonsense, you shouldn’t be here if you have no qualms about demonizing entire swaths of men due to how little sex they are having.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/25 03:56 PM
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“Actual incels” are literally just guys who would like to be having sex but aren’t. Involuntary celibacy is the only criteria for making a person an incel, not having a hateful belief system.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/25 05:33 PM
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Eugenics That’s not how you spell genocide.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 04:29 PM
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Wtf, it is absolutely not appropriate to compare incels to Nazi, that’s insane.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/25 03:01 PM
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Your average feminist is like a walking propaganda outlet, like a sentient Fox News studio, constantly serving the role of reputation damage control.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 03:10 PM
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The self-destruction of feminism is not our problem to solve.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/25 01:54 PM
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If even if you were going to try on that perspective it falls apart because there is nearly an infinite amount of possible archetypes, so it’s still wrong to try and force specific ones on people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/25 03:21 PM
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I don’t like the idea that I’m not aloud to be a human, I have to be an archetype. Humans are not archetypes. Archetypes are clear cut and uniform, humans are all over the place. I don’t like the idea that my humanity is assessed within the framework of “Does that make him a bad version of the “man” archetype or a good version of the “man archetype.” I wasn’t born to fit into an external archetype. Sure I naturally fit in with a lot of masculine cliches and behaviors, but I also don’t fit in wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/25 05:10 PM
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Agreed. They are going to say we are undermining their progress no matter what we do. Keep in mind that menslib, even with their placing feminism first and gynocentrism, they are still considered not good enough by feminist. We don’t want to be good enough for feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/25 08:01 PM
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There is a reason: you are a man and they have had there trust in men eroded by constant bombardment of androphobic fear mongering propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 05:03 PM
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The biggest offensive thing to me is when women blatantly lie and say men trauma dump on women more than woman trauma dump on women. NO WE FUCKING DON’T, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE WITH THAT SHIT. Women trauma dump waaaaaaaay more than men, the only difference is they don’t consider it a burden when women do it. You can’t have this both ways: men cannot both be reluctant to show vulnerability and simultaneously be ready to dump all their trauma on a hair trigger. We literally can’t be both.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 05:01 PM
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Men have been stepping for the past 10,000 years. We’ve stepped up so high we are now in space.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/25 04:56 PM
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Poisonous ideology poisons discourse not magical words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 05:40 PM
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I genuinely can’t believe how people on the left gloss over it. It’s a little late into the game to be surprised by the left not giving a shit about helping men, don’t you think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/25 05:38 PM
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So why is it not considered that way the other way round. Because we are literally talking about the messaging of propagandists here. Feminists set up the propaganda so it seems women are always victims so they can monopolize the entire victim in society and reap all of the power that come from being seen as vulnerable and needing of protection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 03:01 PM
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thought maybe women are just better suited ti current society than men, which is true but why is that so? What exactly do you think was the order of events here? Society was here first and the humans had to evolve to adapt around it? No, humans came first and invented society to suit the interests of humans. When you say “women are better suited for society”, you’re saying women are better suited for that thing we build for them to keep them safe. Society protects women more because we built it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 02:38 PM
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It's also that Tate simply embodies everything feminists accuse men to be, because by their own logic, it's the only way for men to differentiate themselves from women. That’s why they performatively over estimate how influential he is, they want him to be the Darth Vader of the manosphere because he is a perfect strawman. They want to make him be the symbol of the men issues movement so when they beat Andrew Tate up it looks like they are beating up the men’s movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/25 02:30 PM
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There is no fucking way that Andrew Tate is a bigger problem than the 10,000 female equivalents of Andrew who say the exact same thing as him from a female benefit angle and fly under the radar of media attention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/25 03:36 PM
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Can the groups ignore this and keep going? We need to realize we HAVE TO otherwise all the work it took to build that space in the first place will just dissolve in your hands. Either you eat the slander, or the thing you built is gone.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 06:47 PM
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Yeah but the backlash of they'd said no would have been unpleasant and I've no doubt would have lead to further problems. So what? It was always men only, what are they going to do, boycott? I’m sure there were a lot of men who don’t like this direction I can understand why they caved. So can I, they are a bunch of cowards and pushovers. I mean, women live longer than men and for many years no one batted an eyelid that women were legally entitled to receive their pensions 5 years earlier than me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 04:28 PM
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Why are these things in the hands of men who can’t just fucking say no? You can’t have a balanced safe space for both men and women, as soon as women join they will immediately become priority. I’m less mad at the wives as I am the male organizers who bend over backward for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/25 03:59 PM
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When your side didn’t start the war and is not the belligerent aggressor, the only “ending the war” option at your disposal is surrender to their conditions (which feminists don’t have, they will continue the belligerence regardless). Fuck that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/25 04:19 PM
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What’s hilarious to me is it is completely lost on the author that from the perspective of a terf “Men are a threat” and “Transwomen are a threat” is the exact same position. TERFs believe transwomen are a threat because they believe transwomen are men and men are a threat.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/25 05:19 PM
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When your leaders are on the record saying they hate men This doesn’t lead anywhere.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/25 03:09 PM
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I didn’t really need any more convincing that he is a piece of shit, but might as well add it to the pile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/25 04:58 PM
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Not across literally all of Reddit, because this place is also Reddit, but very large swaths of it yes. However, on the askmen type subs, I’m noticing more and more men calling this out and just getting sick of having to tolerate it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/25 06:39 PM
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Why not just say feminists then? When you single out one sect of them it makes it sound like you are only talking about the one sect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/25 06:51 PM
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Libfems are so addicted to feeling aggrieved at anything Why do you single out libfems as if radfems aren’t also exactly like this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/25 05:25 PM
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I pity them.
/r/MenSupportMen26/12/24 11:29 PM
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when i traverse queer spaces, i am a pervert, an offense to their sensibilities, a detriment to their solidarity. How so?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/12/24 04:03 PM
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I would never date a woman that controlling, let alone marry her.
/r/MenSupportMen13/12/24 04:53 PM
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The constant barrage of anti-male and anti-masculine propaganda men are subjected to on the daily is probably a lot of damaging to men’s sense of purpose than women having jobs.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/24 09:36 PM
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There are no rules about tone, there are about personal attacks. You would know wouldn’t you? “Oh yeah? we’ll you’re a conservative!” Is about as reactionary as it gets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 09:50 PM
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Reported. If you you can’t carry on without personal attacks we’re done here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 09:35 PM
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I think you might be more comfortable in r/conservative. They wouldn’t like me. Also that’s a foolish thing to encourage. Nothing good will come from turning this place into an echo chamber. > Just because animals compete doesn’t mean we have to. Yes it does. We are animals. We’ve been competing because we’ve had to compete. Even when we group up and help other people in the group we are still doing so to outcompete those who aren’t cooperating in a group. There’s plenty of things where we try t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 08:40 PM
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Neither was I, it’s a bad call by the mod. I’m assuming the part they are referring to is this: “The idea that communism just makes scarcity go away is completely naive and ignorant of basic history from the last Century. Telling yourself life isn’t a zero sum game doesn’t cause crops to magically produce more food.” I was never insulting you personally, but I am saying the argument you are making is naive and ignorant of history, which it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 05:03 PM
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Projection.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 04:51 PM
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Treating life itself as a competition is how our society got so toxic though. “Society”? Do you think animals live in some kind of utopia? You keep speaking as if there was no such thing as competition before society. Again, animals have been competing long before humans even evolved into humans. Competition over scarce research has been the reality that has shaped our evolution literally for all of our existence. Competition is not just someone’s bad idea, it has been necessary for survival for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 04:25 PM
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I am very aware of my own privilege in being able to freely voice my opinions and such; You have that? I definitely don’t have that. I don’t think a single one of us have the privilege to voice LWMA opinions free of repercussions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 03:56 PM
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They give zero credence to the possibility that the hyper-competitive behavior we see from people isn't purely human nature, but rather the result of centuries of societal propaganda turning men against each other. Male competition is older than the human species though. If you look at different species in nature you will see many different instances of males competing for females in different ways. I’m not going to justify male competition with a simple “it’s human nature bruh”, but to say male…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/24 03:46 PM
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Mental health is effected by politics and economics, so ultimately I’m in favor of a trident that hits all three.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/24 03:53 PM
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You just got marx’d!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/24 03:25 AM
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You think our own mods would take this down over false flagging?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/24 05:29 PM
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Aaaaaand bookmarked. I love these long posts of nothing but refutations, great job putting together, we need something like this for every typical insidious lie feminists push, like “men’s problems are all self-inflicted.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/24 04:18 PM
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nor left wing is inherently feminist. I mean, no not inherent, but it definitely is right now.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:11 PM
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Ideology spoils science, if you want research to be done right, get the ideologues out of the lab. Also this word “masculists” is becoming a real pet peeve of mine. Stop trying to make fetch happen. One of the things I don’t want make advocacy to devolve into is us literally just copying everything feminists do. The word “masculism” is way too on the copy-cat nose.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/24 05:06 PM
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Fear is the mind killer. Find your potential, not for women, but for yourself.
/r/MenSupportMen27/10/24 06:54 PM
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A connection between two people. It can be as deep as two people in love or as shallow as a co-worker you barely talk to. Relationships are not all equal; they are not equally deep, not equally strong, and not equally fulfilling. A romantic relationship COULD be based entirely around a transaction: You provide money and shelter for her, she provides sex and children for you, however the transactional model for relationships is probably the most fragile and brittle of all relationships, and most …
/r/MenSupportMen27/10/24 06:53 PM
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Hmmmm, let me ask you some things first. Why it is necessary that she be financially dependent on you? Why do you need to have that specific power dynamic to lock her down? You really don’t think you have a shot at love without making a women dependent on your money? Relationships build on financial dependence alone are not very strong relationship models, they are the kind that are most likely to fall apart when the man loses his job. The kind of women who prioritize finding a provider to fund …
/r/MenSupportMen26/10/24 08:42 PM
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This is a tiny amount of women with a disproportionately amplified voice who actually believe this. As for the ones who don’t actually believe this, there is a trend of female chauvinism on the rise, and a lot of women seem to just fall in line with this script and echo the bullshit. So even the women on the street interviews who talk this way probably don’t even believe it, they are just reading off of a very trendy script. Women aren’t allowed to think they might need a man, even for perpetuat…
/r/MenSupportMen25/10/24 08:58 PM
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For control and power. The more society buys into the narrative that men are a threat to women, the more leverage they will have to push policies that benefit women and harm men. Feminists primary source of power and political traction is in being seen as an oppressed victim of society, and most of the argument that they are oppressed is justified by SA and rape claims.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/10/24 05:41 PM
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Anyone remember “Race realism”? That’s the vibe Patriarchal realism gives off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/24 07:22 PM
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Only the sith deal in absolutes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/24 12:45 AM
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It’s the English version of the view. Which doesn’t make it not still a joke.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 05:32 PM
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Well made.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 05:54 PM
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Not really, I still think Trump and project 2025 is a much bigger problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 03:35 PM
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I thought I specified that by saying you shouldn't define a movement by its outliers. If that was your message, you contradicted that message so many times that you might as well have not even said it at all. You’re the one who said the “whole” incel community has undertones of patriarchal dominance and is rapey, it was you who chose to echo feminists demonizing talking points. Saying the “whole” community is like this is the opposite of calling out “outliers.” It’s painting with a broad brush. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/24 06:12 PM
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The whole incel community has undertones of patriarchal dominance (and feels sort of rapey). The “whole” incel community? Every single one of them? I mean, I would argue the majority of them are coming from a place of feeling disparaged of society seemingly telling them in both direct and indirect ways that they are worthless. I would be a little upset by that too. If you want to advocate for men, you shouldn’t just regurgitate feminist talking points that demonize the most marginalized men, you…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/24 05:49 PM
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So yeah, I'm not surprised. I know this is harsh, but they're essentially the female version of incels. Woah dude, that’s a very cruel thing to say… About incels.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/10/24 05:03 PM
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For starters: With evidence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/24 04:15 PM
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You’re not just being nice, you are being passive, and that’s what she is complaining about. If you made a move on her, that wouldn’t have been predatory, it would be what you are supposed to do when you are interested in a person. She said she would have been open to it, which means she was probably sending you signals that she was into you that you weren’t picking up on. Women want you to be nice to them, but they also want you to be proactive and make the first move. Giving a girl a bunch of …
/r/MenSupportMen30/09/24 02:59 PM
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There is an article written about this, it’s ten years old, but captures and discusses the issue perfectly: https://slatestarcodex.com/2014/08/31/radicalizing-the-romanceless/ I recommend reading the whole thing, but here is a few paragraphs from the article that really capture the argument: “I had a patient, let’s call him ‘Henry’ for reasons that are to become clear, who came to hospital after being picked up for police for beating up his fifth wife. So I asked the obvious question: “What happ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 02:33 AM
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Correct.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/24 02:06 AM
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I saw that one. None of those people pointing out that nothing good can possibly come from hitting a toddler in the stomach, it doesn’t matter if she was overworked, it’s unacceptable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/24 04:45 PM
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I think what you are saying tracks in the sense that these are the men that society has been manipulating to fill whatever gaps they need filled for millennia. The temple of of Ishar in Uruk… The reason sacred prostitution was “sacred”, is because it motivates men to do work for the city-state which gets them paid, so they can give that currency to the sex worker for sex, rinse and repeat. The exploitation of men’s sex drive to get them running in the treadmill was seen as a sacred mechanism of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/24 08:06 PM
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I’ve noticed it seems like a lot of women get lost in the uncanny valley of female likeness, and they begin personifying the doll, thinking of it as if it where a real woman being held prisoner by a man. So they say things like “they want to treat women like objects” when that makes no sense, it’s not a woman, he wants to treat an object like an object. Do you treat your dildos like men? So they immediately spread fear of any man who would own a sex doll or robot as a Bluebeard kind of man who w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/24 07:42 PM
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Meanwhile me and other men would say it would be safer for women. Since the incels would just have sex with the robots. Wtf?! Okay, can we seriously not make arguments like this? Incels are not the people harming women. Women are mostly harmed by men they are already in relationships with, they are being harmed by the men they are selecting not the ones they aren’t selecting. I get that you are pandering to their fears but if that requires you to throw men who have harmed absolutely no one under…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/24 07:02 PM
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It’s almost as if they are more interested in pushing a dishonest narrative that’s useful to them, then pushing facts and nuance that aren’t. I think we all need to stop expecting them to be honest truth seekers and start expecting the to be what they are: Fox News for girls. The time to be suspicious is long past, they should have tripped your suspicions ages ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/24 05:13 PM
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No more tote bags for you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 02:36 PM
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I think “women commit crimes too sometimes, look.” Is not a very strong argument, when you already know exact how they are going to counter it “men do it more, look.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/24 02:32 PM
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Can you imagine setting up your son to humiliate him for an online shit test?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/09/24 06:08 PM
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This feels staged, the boy even gives a little smirk to his dad like he knows he’s being cheeky. Also, they know they’re the ones raising their own kids right? If you want them to share, teach them to fucking share.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/09/24 05:33 PM
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what's the solution? Grow. Don’t worry about strategy, that comes later when we are an actual organization, we must focus on growing and becoming that organization.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/24 01:27 AM
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Another reason why we probably shouldn’t call ourselves that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/24 05:07 PM
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I agree with you on the premise that publicly identifying as an “anti-feminist” will never be a good look, because as you said most people, especially feminists, will interpret that as meaning “against women rights.” That being said holding feminists and feminism accountable for the disinformation they spread and for toxifying the discourse is completely necessary. I think to avoid holding feminists accountable in favor of good optics is nothing short of cowardice. I think we should be aiming to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/24 04:11 PM
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Not in the least bit. I think the venting and discussions that come from it are necessary. Don’t see a post you want to see? Make it yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 03:44 PM
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We’ve gotten to a point where it feels like morality itself is dictated exclusively by woman. We literally don’t even have a say in what is “good” or “bad”, “positive” or “negative” anymore.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/09/24 03:36 PM
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My friend, you are trying to impress the worst of the worst kind of women with this “how do I be a high value man” talk. Forget about what toxic influencers have to say, live your life for you. If you want to have more ambition and climb the social ladder then do it on your own terms, make your money to build YOUR life, don’t do it to impress a chronically online demographic of woman who sees you as an ATM machine.
/r/MenSupportMen06/09/24 02:12 AM
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“Started”? feminists have always been more interested in spreading ideological ideas rather than facts, because the facts often don’t tell the story they want to tell.
/r/MenSupportMen12/08/24 04:35 PM
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The co-dependent ones.
/r/MenSupportMen11/08/24 05:21 PM
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Men, women, we are all one thing. To hate one half of the self is to hate the self.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/24 12:16 AM
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Op is it possible the reason you aren’t rubbing people the right way is because you drop these walls of text, and then ignore all of your comments?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/24 05:20 PM
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What is the topic of this post? What are these examples of?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/24 02:23 PM
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No because karma is not a real thing.
/r/MenSupportMen04/08/24 04:02 PM
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I'm probably pretty unpopular around here for being so open to feminism, body positivity, and government service. Probably not as much as you might think. For instance, I am by no means and anti-feminist, I am open to feminism because to a large degree it in fact is been a positive vehicle for progress. Also I don’t think telling people “Men’s issues are important, but I’m against woman’s rights” is a very intelligent message to be leaving people with. If you call yourself an anti-feminist, peop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 07:49 PM
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There was a mask off question that got some very mask off answers on r/ask feminists that made me come to this realization. The question, to paraphrase was basically: Why do older men feel confident hitting on younger woman? Don’t they know they are old and gross? The question was framed around the older men being ugly due to age, and they should have the self awareness to know that makes them out of the league of younger attractive women. The commenters, very expectedly, start talking about the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 06:53 PM
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Feminists have made it fairly obvious that body positivity was never meant to be for men in the first place. Wanna know why? Because body positivity causes unattractive men to feel confident enough about themselves to shoot their shot at women who are “out of their league”. Women very often express how they don’t want unattractive men to feel confident enough to hit on them, they find it offensive because they perceive that as the unattractive man claiming the attractive women is his equal, how …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 05:03 PM
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Because there is a connection between suicidal ideation and feeling worthless, and there is a cultural association in men with shortness meaning they are worth less.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/24 04:45 PM
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No surprize what so ever, OP does quality work.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/24 05:27 PM
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Never accept being in the friendzone. Never accept misandry is the more important take away here, OP shouldn’t be girlfriending this one up in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/24 05:25 PM
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40 minutes is not that long. Worry about it when it’s been hours. Walk it off or something man.
/r/MenSupportMen02/08/24 03:21 PM
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Feminists just want gender equality in the same way that republicans just want to abolish slavery.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 03:51 PM
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If they aren’t oppressed then maybe the word “dominated” is a little inappropriate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 02:30 PM
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They in fact are I believe, they poll themselves sometimes and leftists are usually the majority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/08/24 03:00 AM
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Because right wingers don’t advocate for anything except unborn babies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 07:05 PM
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It’s so sad that victims have to preface telling their story with: “I'm going to say its not as common as people on the internet would think it is, but it does happen” Just to be able to post. What does that even mean? Not as common as who thinks it is? What commonly cited figures are you even referring to? What a useless statement that does nothing but throw other victims under the bus. How the do these people tolerate the chafing from that leash and collar?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/24 10:34 PM
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Imagine needing power tools and refusing to them just because Home Depot didn’t specifically market to your demographic. 🤣
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 05:18 PM
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Why are you asking me!?! Like I agree with you completely, I think we all do on this sub, that’s why it’s weird that a feminist is complaining to us about this taboo, acting as if feminists have nothing to with reinforcing it. Not all feminists are misandrists, but if you are a misandrist, you are probably also a feminist. It’s pretty silly to act like there isn’t a connection between these two thing. If you call out misandry in public, it’s not randoms who say “misandry doesn’t exist”, “I have …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 05:09 PM
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Uhhhh, are you not aware that it’s your lot who is in control of the western liberal cultural narrative? If you ask us, you’re preaching the choir, we’re just going to say “IKR?” Why is white racism and heterophobia considered taboo sometimes, but speaking out against misandry makes one an anti-feminist/misogynist? Because feminist retaliation made it a taboo. It almost feels dishonest that you would even ask that as if it were such a mystery where these attitudes ares coming from.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/07/24 04:50 PM
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The fact that he even needs to ask is a testament to how fucked up men’s expectations are.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/24 05:05 PM
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This is what I’ saying, there are too many “shoulds” being thrown around. There are so many claims about what men “should” want to do, how what they “should” want wear, but none of these claims have any basis in the reality of what men actually do want, or even what women actually want for that matter. It’s just this ideological rationale: “Men should want to wear dress Les because then that symbolizes some sort of ideological progress, which… would… Make me happy?” It seems, that the reality is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 02:43 PM
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I mean, we’ve been trying to claim long hair back at least since the 60’s, so you’re right that this one is a bigger issues. The funny thing is, like you outlined in your response, the barrier to men having a right to wear long hair, and even skirts or dresses for that matter, is not classic machismo, it’s professionalism culture. Even if we had pop culture on our side, the corporate world has a death grip over the way men can express themselves, as long as they can declare not conform to tradit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/07/24 02:10 PM
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We’re pretty much in agreement I think, it’s unfortunate that how I phrased what I said earlier makes it sounds like I’m utterly dismissive of this issues, but it’s really this: I want a men’s advocacy that actually listens to us, the changes that WE want, what WE need. What I don’t want is a Men’s advocacy that disregards what we actually want and instead tells us what we SHOULD want. When it comes down to men as a collective, and what we are actually want, I don’t share this certainty you have…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 09:03 PM
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encouraging sympathy for crying men and empowerment for self-expression amongst men are important topics directly tied to setting the groundworks for breaking down male gender norms, standards and expectations. I agree, but this is also not what I said. Encouraging men to cry more is not the same thing as encouraging sympathy for crying men. I’m talking about pushing the idea that the only the only obstacle that men face is their own toxic masculinity inhibiting their ability to cry, versus high…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 08:25 PM
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Menslib is a feminist gulag designed to turn your attention away from actual men’s issues, and turn it toward bullshit men’s issues like the right to paint your nails and encouraging men cry more, abd refocus your actions so you are only furthering feminist goals and propaganda. Men’s issues controlled by feminists will never work in favor of men’s actual interests in a million years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/24 07:57 PM
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No it isn’t odd, helping women and hamstringing men to hurt their ability to complete is the agenda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/24 02:55 PM
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It’s obviously discrimination against men by definition, there is nothing to debate about that. The real question is, if it’s a private organization is there anything anyone could even do about it?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/07/24 02:52 PM
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I’m pretty sure most men do, at least in my experience. Correct, this is backed up by data, this is the most important take away. They are not just victim blaming, they are lying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 03:45 PM
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If we have to keep changing our name every time Feminists slander us, we’re going to be forever on our heels, and with way too many fucking names. At a certain point we gotta pick a brand and stick with it, and stop worrying about whether feminists will play nice or not. They won’t btw, just accept that. At the end of the day, it’s not the name that makes men’s issues polarizing, it’s the fact that feminism is the status quo and wants to aggressively dominate the whole gender conversation that m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 02:48 PM
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That’s literally why the “himbo” archetype was so attractive. He is a big strong guy who is too stupid to see through your manipulation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 02:41 PM
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Can you name one test like this that the “manosphere” encouraged men to do? I’m not being snarky, I just have no idea what you are even talking about and I’m kinda suspecting you made that up, no offense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/24 02:38 PM
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I agree with your sentiments, trivializing aggression, normalizing emotional mind games... All bad things. Honestly though? I kind of find it refreshing when psychopaths weed themselves out of the dating pool.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 10:49 PM
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One citing antifeminist things I had posted on this sub, to prove to the whole city that I was the one who wasn’t nuanced. There is a special place in hell for comment history narcs. What a refreshing post, good on you!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 04:15 PM
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Who gives a shit what they think. I’m telling YOU GUYS to start doing these things, not fucking TwoX.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 04:11 PM
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moderates have to go with the extremists or they are seen as traitors Or worse: a “pick me.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 04:07 PM
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Acceptable to who? is there a sub that realizes this and advocates for men's rights without bigotry? Yeah, this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/07/24 04:02 PM
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But, feminism isn't some monolith either. Tell that to the ones that keep saying feminism is only defined by believing in gender equality. There's been multiple waves of feminism that have directly contradicted one another. Right but the fact that you can crystallize what these waves believed in makes it more monolithic than say r/mensright, where literal traditionalists are mixed in with progressives. Feminism has s a mixed bag to be sure, but it is not even close to the disorganization and hod…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 05:17 PM
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Oh I’m agreeing with you, I’m just being snarky because it’s pretty clear any “no hate or bigotry” rule isn’t enforced when it comes to men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 04:57 PM
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but it could also be argued it’s not enforced enough. Ya think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 04:51 PM
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Whenever I talk about the shitty aspect of some of their toxicity, majority of people respond that they're just people exploiting the grievances of men, and not true MRAs. Feminism is an organized institution, firmly planted in the corporate, cultural, and educational status quo. We should be holding them to a higher standard, they actually have power. What community are you referring to anyway? What MRAs? MRAs don’t have any sort of organization, literally no one can speak to what a true MRA do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/07/24 04:12 PM
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I already said this in another thread: The “extreme” ones are straight up toxic, and the “moderate” ones cover up for the extreme ones by either downplaying their influence or outright denying they exist (“They aren’t REAL feminists”). Almost none of them are actually willing to be honest about what’s going on or self-aware of how they actually come off. The very few that are willing to be honest get ostracized, and pushed away from feminism. The tunnel vision you are describing pretty much alwa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 05:34 PM
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Exactly, stop letting feminists dictate the rules of Male Advocacy. Feminist institutions are actually hurting us, we cannot be silent about it. Use Menslib as a case study for why catering to feminism is never good enough, they bend over backwards for feminists, and feminists still don’t approve of Menslib. The only way to make feminists happy with us would be to just shut up about Male Advocacy and only talk about feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 05:27 PM
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Feminists do not discuss men’s issues in good faith, they are simply not capable of it. It’s gotten to the point where expecting feminist to behave like honest people is just delusional, they have shown us who they are time and time again, it’s time to get your head out of the ideological clouds and believe them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/24 05:22 PM
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Thank you for being a part of the community, we all feel the same way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:57 PM
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I think we need to move away from the attractiveness privilege topic, because there is nothing that can be done about it except for forcing everyone to wear masks and burkas, and I really don’t think we are going to agree to that. It just feels like a divisive waste of time. True, a conventionally hot guy hitting on a women will almost certainly be more welcome than a conventionally unattractive guy. The only thing we can do about this to help push our culture toward being more forgiving of men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/24 04:55 PM
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No because I don’t express political opinions at work for the most part. I do however post on an alt with no ties to my personal life because I have considered the possibility someone will try and stalk/dox me and get me fired or try to ruin my relationships. By that logic, why didn’t the significant percentage ladies who generalised men as a collective during the wake of the Sarah Everard case, or in the other wake of the man v bear case lose their jobs over it? I bet people still hired them re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/24 02:53 PM
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The “bad” feminists hate men. The “good” feminists deny the bad feminists exist. None of them are in favor of just being honest people.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 04:21 PM
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Menslib has over 200k subscribers, because that’s where you go to be officially recognized as a good boy.* A lot of men of kind of sort of interested in men’s issues, but only in so far as they can still be recognized by feminists as good boys. The fact that we decenter feminists approval, well according to feminists that makes us bad, so they go around telling everyone we are bad boys. When a lot of men go asking about where they can and go advocate for men, they foolishly ask feminists for adv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/24 04:18 PM
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The more likely reason is a trend we wee everywhere: feminists almost never call out their own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 03:10 PM
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We deserve both equal rights and reparations, in the form of unequal rights, or chivalry — for at least 300 years. Feminists always speak as if women today are immortal and have actually been experiencing the last 300 years personally. But if you talk about the draft, the first thing they will do is try and separate you from the people who were drafted and say “That was X years ago, that has nothing to do with you.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/24 03:08 PM
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If you feel that social media is exasperating your bitterness and anger, then it’s time to start taking a break from social media and find a new hobby to fill your time with.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/06/24 04:09 PM
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They were owned by men. That’s the definition of slavery. And yet they still weren’t slaves. Actual slaves were the slaves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 05:15 PM
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“Not no no, you still don’t HAVE to wear make up… Just don’t… You know… Be proud of it, or talk about it out loud like it’s not a bad thing.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 12:33 AM
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They care about their money.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:05 PM
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The fucking police is telling men we need to do their job.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 05:04 PM
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This this this, and one more of these. We can choose to not make feminists our opponents all we want, but as long as we advocate for our issues and our needs, they will make us their opponent all the same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 04:55 PM
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Okay, that’s a fair point. However “Pick Me”, is actually an insult that feminists seem to claim as their own. Before feminists started using it to attack NLOG types, “Pick me” was used in Hypergamy communities like r/femaledatingstrategy to ridicule women who: dated for love instead of money/high-value, split dinner bills 50/50, okay with going on coffee shot dates vs 5-star restaurant. It was once easy to see how “Pick me” was just slut shaming adjacent, but since feminists have appropriated i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/06/24 04:41 PM
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This “overpowering” you are speaking off is a move that is not available to us at the moment. You have to look at it like pieces on a chess board, what pieces do we have out right now and what are they set up to do? At the moment we don’t have enough pieces (activists), and non of the ones we do have are positioned to “overpower” the board right now. So we need to make moves that are actually available to us rather than getting frustrated over the moves that aren’t available to us. The moves tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 10:46 PM
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If the problem is men putting other men down, then why do you need to target the part be about seeking women’s validation specifically? If you are a heterosexual man, you are supposed to want women’s validation. Obviously not be any means necessary, but ultimately we do want women to like us in general. This is not something you should be getting shamed for. All you have to do is watch social media a bit and read the comments to see how quickly “pick me” devolves into shaming women for having mo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/24 10:09 PM
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Because they are trying to discredit the notion that men have and provide value. They are not coming from a place of good faith.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/24 05:05 PM
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I agree that other men are going to be one of our biggest opponents, and that is just the nature of the struggle. But I also think women’s anti-pick-me trend is extremely toxic and tyrannical, and I will die before I start calling men “pick me’s” for not thinking like me. I think the way feminists pressure each other to all think exactly the same or else get bullied as a “pick me” is a weakness of feminism not a strength. Men are never going to be a hivemind, and I’d personally prefer that we we…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/06/24 05:04 PM
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There is hope but we need to have patience and make peace with the fact that we are a bit ahead of our time right now. All the while we must hold the line of our principals, and not lose hope when it looks like we’re all alone out here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/24 09:21 PM
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work 630 to 4 Mon-Fri So that means you wake up even earlier than that to go to work. Say no more, you have every reason to be tired and she is being abusive and controlling. She has no right at all to control when you go to sleep, and she should be respecting how you feel, not calling you names for it. If your wife can’t respect your wishes, then you guys need to bring in a couple’s councilor who can convince her to fuck off about this. If that’s not possible, then you need to come to terms tha…
/r/MenSupportMen05/06/24 06:14 PM
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Alright I stopped being lazy and translated the rest hoping to get some nuance, but no, there is literally no inherent nuance. It’s really is as simple as “Guy opens up about about how he struggles with depression, QPAT and other officials lose their fucking minds and act as if he’s a serial killer.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/24 05:06 PM
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That’s the vague rumor?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/24 04:36 PM
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What’s that you say OP? You want to give those of us non-Francophone people a translated summery? Oh that would be just delightful OP, thank you so much for doing that. I’ll wait here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/24 04:14 PM
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The fact that she even acknowledged the success object thing makes me miss 90’s feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 03:41 PM
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At the moment, I don’t see how cis-men’s issues are significantly different than trans men’s issues, if you are being recognized as a man, I’m pretty sure the majority of our struggles will be the same. So I say Transmen are our brothers. There is no precedent of Transmen hijacking men’s issues and dividing men’s advocacy to make any of this talk about priorities and focus really necessary.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/24 03:23 PM
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Do you really think high status women, from time to time, don’t also throw women or men under the bus for some sort of personal gain? I’m not sure why you think taking advantage of those lower than you on a social hierarchy is strictly a man thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/24 01:32 PM
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Yes, my partner is one such example, there are many like her. Look for women who demonstrate independent mindedness and a personal moral compass, avoid the ones that get their morality from internet groupthink.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/24 02:24 PM
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We are alone in this. Expecting feminists to speak up for men’s rights is like expecting a duck to speak in full English sentences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 09:28 PM
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Hang on, it sounds like money isn’t much of an object with you, so why isn’t finding a new psychiatrist your first instinct? You speak as if you’ll have nothing at all without this guy, and I’m not sure why.
/r/MenSupportMen22/05/24 04:06 PM
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All of the women use answers are basically “Don’t worry about it, you’ll be fine.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/24 07:13 PM
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I'll only accept this once you start condemning every other divorce/breakup post on AITAH written by women. You are telling me to suspend all critical thinking and condemn all women’s break up posts as if they are uniformly bad? That’s fucking stupid, I’m not doing that. I’m just going to skip to the end and validate the thing you thing you got me on: Yes I’m condoning the peanut gallery’s conclusion on this one. He is showing signs of being a shitty person and they are all acting on their own h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/24 03:59 AM
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It’s definitely time. What we need is people who are willing to give up some time and headspace to it, to take it upon themselves to just go ahead and start something. Not to be corny, but it’s completely on us to be the change.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/24 03:44 AM
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Can we not with this? There is no way I’m going to defend a guy nuking his marriage because his wife had one crisis of doubt that she was apparently immensely repentant for. I just cannot imagine a man that would be this draconically unforgiving with his wife actually had very much love for her. How psychologically safe are you with a person who is down to nuke the relationship the moment you falter? His whole conclusion with the “I can’t risk my future” talk hits like he deemed her mentally inc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/24 03:35 AM
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No it matters always. I don’t think you realize he is using his own personal moral compass, not the flimsy moral compass of the social peanut gallery. Women doing unethical things doesn’t just give men the moral green light to do them too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/05/24 03:19 AM
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Good, you’ve acknowledged what’s happening. Now stop expect reasonable behavior and honest transparency out of them, you know who they are, you know it’s not that. We spend way too much time gawking over how unusual it is that feminists are a bunch of dishonest hypocrites who will flip over the tallest mountains with mental gymnastics to justify the positions they already have. No it’s not unusual, this is who they are, ideologues who prioritize their domination over equal opportunity, they prio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/24 11:20 PM
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Wow what an interesting coincidence that when women invent the rules, the rules just so happen to favor women.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/24 03:58 PM
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Men are undoubtedly the more expendable of the two genders. It’s not even a feeling, it’s just plainly obvious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 08:51 PM
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If parents in 2024 really felt that men had an upper leg in life, then we should expect boys to ve favored over girls. I don’t think that’s true, most of these people are rich, they already have a leg up in life, they wouldn’t feel like they need to ”sell out” to Patriarchy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 08:33 PM
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Ding ding ding!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 02:35 PM
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You're talking about “shoulds” and ideals and I’m talking about practical applications. I think men and women deserved to be heard without being shamed. Agreed, but we are not there as a society. Just saying “we should be there though” accomplishes nothing. There can be spaces for both men only, women only, and both mixed. I’m not saying women need to be excluded from every single space men are in, that would be absurd. I’m talking about separating the genders for the purpose of healing and havi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/24 02:32 PM
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But, not being able to admit it, we internalize early that you just stfu and get a gun/get big/learn to fight/learn to be funny to deescalate/whatever coping skills you come up with to handle it. Just so long as you are never openly fearful. If you are actually weary of being targeted by a human predator, showing fear is a terrible idea because it makes you look like an easy mark. Keep in mind, humans evolved to survive, and when survival is on the line, showing your vulnerabilities to your pote…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/24 10:35 PM
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This is exactly like the “Do women need men.” You know, just in a general sense. And women answer “No.” It’s obviously bullshit. We’d be extinct, of course you need men, the answer to do we need either gender is just objectively Yes. The idea that science is already at a point where the existence of males is irrelevant is laughable. So you’d be willing to risk extinction off of “It will be fine right? I’m pretty sure the science is there.” GTFO of here with that shit. There were some stats that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 10:55 PM
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How would you address the men that would feel more comfortable with their daughters meeting a bear in the woods rather than a man? Hmmm. Hmmmmm. Let me think about that. Ah yes! “Are you out of your fucking mind?” Yes I think that would be a very good start.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 10:36 PM
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Either way, they are highlighting just how over the top anti-male fear mongering has become.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 08:15 PM
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I feel like the elephant in the room is that any women who says she would feel better about being alone with a random bear including polars and grizzlies, versus a random man, is almost certainly lying. You’re telling me, if you had to get on the subway, you would choose to get in the car with a wild bear than any random dude who also needs to ride? You’re telling me you are more likely to call animal control on a man than a bear? Bullshit, sharing a car with a bear would be intolerable, and sha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 08:05 PM
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Another thing. You said “THEY” are not going to see it as misandry. Then stop trying to convince “them” and focus on people you can actually reach.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 05:25 PM
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Then call it Androphobia, because it’s undeniably fear. I already made the case for why fear en mass about entire groups of people is oppressive in my first response. That’s why we help them see it a different way, Brains. That’s how it works, people aren’t just going to volunteer to snap out of their blind spots, you have to illustrate it for them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 05:13 PM
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Right but they do know a cop will probably take their word over their male partner’s, most men in this situation aren’t thinking “It’s okay, I can kick her ass” They are thinking more like “If she calls the cops on me, it’s over.” Most men will tolerate the abuse, not because it doesn’t hurt, but because they can still be the one who gets arrested if they got the cops involved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 04:45 PM
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I think the difference between men raping women and women coercing men is that women can’t inflict physical violence Don’t be so quick to say that, I know a guy whose wife put him in the hospital.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 04:37 PM
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I mean… Yes? George Floyd is a great example of a time when an injustice highlighted a serious problem and it sparked massive uproar and protests. My logic isn’t the injustices will stop now, my logic is this is a good time to highlight just how rampant misandry is now that so many people are being so open about it. Not sure why you are so disagreeable about that. There have been thousands of examples misandry, but at other times if you try to claim this is a rampant problem, you’re likely to ge…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/05/24 02:12 PM
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I think we need to pivot the way we are looking at this trend. Instead of trying to invalidate women’s fear, or convince them individually why they are being bigoted, I think we need to embrace this trend as a moment of vindication. They are admitting publicly that they believed a bear is more welcome than a human man on his own. They are literally validating everything we have been saying about how rampant androphobia and just how easily it yields outright dehumanization and demonizing. Androph…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 09:11 PM
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Trying to argue with someone who refuses to live in reality is already a fools errand. Keep talking about the issue but aim for people who aren’t guaranteed to waste your time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/05/24 04:07 PM
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Yes, people will lie, that’s irrelevant. Stick to your moral compass and pay them no mind.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/24 07:42 PM
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I don’t understand why you think responding to misandry without crossing into misogyny is the difficult feat that it requires so much pondering. You see misandry, call it out, explain why it’s wrong, and don’t demonize women while doing it, it’s that simple.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/24 02:13 PM
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That’s a very good point. Correction: All of your options are vague and say very little. No, just more meaningful options.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/24 03:14 PM
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Because intersectionality is based on the belief that the oppression theory behind it already has all of the answers there is to know, doing research and applying the scientific method to actually document the truth of how these intersections play out in real life was never part of the plan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/24 02:58 AM
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STEM is too broad and doesn’t really say much. I have experience in the Tech part but not the other three.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/24 02:25 PM
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I think the mod team are probably mostly men if not all men, someone correct me if I’m wrong. I’m not sure feminists actually give of a shit about men enough to actually put in the work of modding Menslib. To be a Menslib mod is a lot of work, every post needs mod approval, and they meticulously censor any and every comment that expresses resentment of feminism, or doesn’t toe the line of their principles. Constantly censoring people is a 24/7 job, that’s why they close Menslib so often, and con…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 04:26 PM
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It just goes to show you how utterly self-destructive it is to try and seek their approval. The kind of draconic state it would need to be in order to make them happy would be an atrocity. What we need is a place to freely discuss and spread awareness of our issues and how to address them, what would feminists happy is if we all had gulags that indoctrinate total unquestioned compliance with feminism at the expense of your own needs and concerns.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/24 03:53 AM
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I think an honest and transparent conversation is too much for menslib, any sort of opportunity that gives people a chance to voice resentment of feminism, is too much for Menslib. Set your expectations low for them, they’ll disappoint you every time otherwise.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 09:17 PM
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I don’t know the extent of their self-awareness but I do think they know that a significant portion of their members have a least a little bit of resentment toward how feminists treat men as a group just under the surface of their pro-feminist veneer. There have been post topics that opened the floodgates of this resentment, and the mods shut it down and made a post reminding the members that they are supposed to be pro-feminist. I think they have enough awareness of their members that they real…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 09:13 PM
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They suppress it precisely because they get it, they know it can only end with making feminists look bad, so they nip it in the bud before it gets there.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 08:08 PM
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I’m so sorry you’ve had to experience and endure such awful things. I keep hearing women say to other women “Well your feelings can’t really be wrong, their your feelings…” and it’s really starting to piss me off, because any man can tell you that truism about feelings doesn’t apply to them. We get told our feelings are outright wrong, and we need to force are feelings a to change all the time. I’ve begun to form the opinion that “safe” spaces for healing trauma probably shouldn’t coed. I’ve not…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 03:58 PM
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gender equality advocates Is that even a thing anymore? It seems like most instances the word equality have been scratched out and replaced with equity to justify not giving a shit about equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/24 03:24 PM
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Femininity is an untouchable elemental force that belongs to women alone. Masculinity on the other hand is defined by everyone except men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 05:00 PM
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Step up and do what exactly? The police’s job?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/24 04:57 PM
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Probably because this is the best sub to have a meaningful, non-rage-bait conversation about Male Advocacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/24 02:43 PM
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No, I’m thankful to have a partner who isn’t possessed by an internet hivemind. She isn’t saying this because she is young and rebellious, she is saying it because she Indoctrinated. Women who aren’t already bought in to feminism don’t say shit like “because patriarchy” just because they are when in their early twenties. If your partner cannot hear you out with empathy, at the very least because it’s you who’s speaking, think carefully about if a future with this person is really what you want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/24 03:07 PM
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Not inherently, but feminists have long time positioned themselves as the great mothers of society, who take all the other minorities under their oh-so-nurturing care, which does put them in positions of power over these groups. So it does seem feminists have tentacles in almost every marginalized minority advocacy group, they do seem to have a certain amount of control over their narratives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/24 08:50 PM
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I think most spaces that are dominantly leftist, a woman speaking about men’s issues will probably have a greater impact than a man speaking the same words. Naturally in spaces that are mostly women, with no men to defend themselves, then your presence is even more critical. If you want to know when your voice is going to be most critical, look out for signs of fear in the men around you. Specifically, I mean the fear of speaking up. Have you ever been in a situation where there is all kinds of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/04/24 04:20 PM
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You’re a legend, Title IX guy!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/24 07:05 PM
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I don’t really believe in sidelining women advocates and telling them how to advocate, I leave it to your best judgment. Welcome! Thank you for caring!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/24 06:40 PM
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That’s one out of many universal issues that feminists will claim only women experience, they do that with a lot of things. For a movement that won’t hesitate to sing the praises of diversity and inclusion, they sure like to exclude people from their own issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/24 02:20 PM
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Sources: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/06/13/about-six-in-ten-americans-say-abortion-should-be-legal-in-all-or-most-cases-2/ https://www.vox.com/2019/5/20/18629644/abortion-gender-gap-public-opinion It also makes "men are the ones stripping away a woman's right to bodily autonomy" a true statement. It makes it a lie by omittion because you are leaving out the part where an almost equal amount of women are also in favor of it’s criminalization as well. >It's not even our job to car…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 06:46 PM
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No I was still talking about men collectively both times. The number of men and women who support criminalizing abortion is about 50% for both. Nearly half of men, is enough men to make “Men will help protect abortion as a right” a true statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 05:50 PM
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Do you think I’m advocating for making Abortion illegal?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 04:15 PM
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The fuck are you on about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 04:01 PM
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Thing is, it seemed like thought out debate. There is no such thing as a “well thought out” hasty generalization. “Men blame women for their problems” is a hyperbolic hasty generalization.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 03:55 PM
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I feel like we need a whole other post to unpack this “it’s not my job rhetoric” because that’s a dangerously selfish attitude to encourage. It’s not our job to help secure women’s rights to abortions either, but you bet men are still going to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 04:05 AM
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I mean, you’re going to see a lot of dumb generalizations about men on Reddit. So there’s that. that men blame women for their problems A very small anmoun of individual men blame women for their problems, sure, but to claim that all men, when talking about men’s issues just blame everything on women, is absurd. Whoever is saying that is likely just trying to minimize Men’s Issue, again, you will see a lot of that on Reddit. I also think feminists see men criticizing society writ large, but then…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/24 03:58 AM
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GTFO of here with that shit, circumcision is one of the most morally black and white of men’s issues, we are more likely to get traction on that issue than many others, not less.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 04:56 PM
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I don’t think that’s the empathy gap actually, because this is a pretty new phenomenon, only beginning to appear in maybe the last 40ish years. I think it has to do with more recent feminist conditioning society, namely women, to perceive any kind of speech that sounds unflattering to women as “misogyny” It has more to do with the threat of being character assassinated as “one of the baddies” than it does any sort of gaps in empathy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 03:25 PM
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Post that source, smash that like button.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 04:51 PM
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You are not among friends on that sub, friend. As soon as you diverge from “men bad” they are going to have a problem with you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 05:29 PM
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It absolutely does not take “minimal time” to raise a kid correctly, the fuck is she talking about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/24 03:37 PM
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This reminds me of a TheTinmen post where he invites women to ask men about anything. Most of the questions were about cock and balls and express massive ignorance about male anatomy. For instance “does it hurt your balls when you sit down?” Just FYI for those who don’t know, the scrotum is not under the taint, it’s in front.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 03:50 PM
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Calling majority male industries “male dominated” to make it sound like the workers are an occupying army.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/03/24 03:42 PM
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I don’t think they realize in a world without men, the lowest ranking women will become the new men. Women will split into two classes, the protected breeder class, and a new disposable class of women will emerge to inherit the obligation of taking over the dirty work men left behind. In other words, It would be a fucking beehive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/03/24 04:23 PM
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I WAS THINKING ABOUT BELT SANDERS, I SWEAR!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 05:34 PM
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Not to be rude but I think literally everyone here is well aware of that by now. I understand that there are likely more male edgelords posting more explicit hate comments Than women spreading hate against men? Doubt it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 05:31 PM
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It’s just a strategy to pathologize normal human (not just male) behavior. That way they have a cudgel to hit men with at all times, even when they did nothing wrong.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 05:29 PM
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So are bodies. The whole human/object dichotomy is fucking stupid. Just because a person thinks you have a nice ass doesn’t you are now only an ass to them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 04:10 PM
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It proves nothing. This is called bunk neuroscience. You can’t just look at the brain light up and declare it’s for the exact same reasons. Just because your brain lights up in the same place when you use a screwdriver as when you see a naked women, doesn’t mean you think naked women are screwdrivers. No scientist worth their salt would draw such an idiotic conclusion. The fact that this came out of prinston doesn’t make it authoritative, it suggests prinston has lost its integrity.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/24 04:08 PM
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The biggest problem I think is that we live in a society where when women say what they THINK men’s experiences are, it holds more authority in the eyes of society than if men speak for themselves about their own experiences.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 04:25 PM
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Because they think they have our votes in the bag.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 04:11 PM
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Okay, and how do you do that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/24 04:10 PM
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You are free to use whatever rhetoric you wish, you don’t need my validation. However, I don’t see a benefit in using this framing, so thank you, but I’m good.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/24 11:03 PM
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How many time does this need to be discussed? We literally all agree, this is the epitome of preaching to the choir.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/24 04:05 PM
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You really think conflating all kind of things that nothing to do with hate as “misogyny” is accidental?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/24 04:23 PM
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All the world is an r/Menslib stage.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/03/24 04:45 PM
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I guess I am A woman, because I too worry that bad neighborhoods are in fact bad.
/r/EverydayMisandry03/03/24 04:23 PM
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I’m mostly interested in this Rich, educated men are less opposed to feminism and less likely to ingage in zero sum thinking. And seeing it’s source research.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/24 04:37 PM
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I don’t know about you man, but when I can’t even feel comfortable saying what I’m thinking without a girlfriend getting hostile and possibly treating me like the out group, that’s where I draw the line of unacceptability. Me being able to express myself and her being able to listen with an empathetic ear is one of the minimum standards I have for a relationship.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 03:40 PM
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Because they can’t win an argument without the mods deleting the comments they can’t refute.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 11:39 PM
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I should also preface this by letting you know I’m a 38 year old man with a 29 year old long term partner. We met when I was 30 and she was 21 and started dating pretty soon after. I should also mention, she did most of the chasing in the beginning. She chose to pursue me, and only after made her intentions clear by inviting me for drinks, and back to her place, did I begin explore being more than friends. I can empathize with you on the shock and disgust of turning 18 and suddenly 42 year olds …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 11:27 PM
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You’re downplaying Zoey’s harassment. Having her ex write a revenge blog about the five guys she cheated on him with, then having that get picked up by major gaming influencers who all join in and encourage their audience to join in the shaming, is absolutely not the equivalent of just being called a whore online, it is either dishonest or ignorant that you would even frame it that way. The feminists won because the gamergaters made them look right. If you want to win the argument after a femini…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 08:26 PM
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I just don’t see how this relates to Male Advocacy at all, and I don’t see what useful insight you think you are going to uncover? No new information has come out that changes the opinion on this that I had 11 years ago, this is such a dead horse of a topic, and the gamers are not morally in the right. Gamergate wasn’t about “sexism in gaming” the maker of this video is thinking of Anita Sarkeesian’s feminist frequency series. Gamergate was about Zoey Quinn sleeping with five gaming journalists …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 07:55 PM
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Please find a stronger talking point. This topic is just not the “checkmate feminists” talking point you seem to think it is. The companies unanimously sided with Zoey because nothing good could possibly be gained by siding with the internet mob flinging shit at Zoey. If you didn’t want feminists to co-opt this to add fuel to their fire, they shouldn’t have made that easy for them by focusing so much on slut shaming Zoey. Please, for fuck’s sake, pick a stronger hill to defend.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 07:04 PM
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I think there is something to this, but it’s not because of biology. I think it appears young women mature faster then young men, because when a woman becomes an adult she immediately has romantic access to, and interest from, men who are older than her. So this means right after turning 18 a woman has access to adult level relationships, where she can learn from the maturity of an older partner. It is rare that an older women takes an interest in a recently turned adult man, and often the women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 05:53 PM
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I can’t speak for the messages she received but the videos about her were definitely over the top and targeting her as if she made the journalists write good things about her game by fucking them. The focus was definitely on Zoey having sex with five guys, the “Nuh uh, it’s about journalist integrity” argument came after she was already getting dog pilling for fucking five journalists. The gamergaters undoubtedly saw Zoey as the enemy, as well as the journalists, it wasn’t one or the other. Also…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 05:38 PM
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I never received her phone number and she coordinated with my wife for pickup. You don’t reckon this kind of confirms the gender part?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:17 PM
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Why are we suddenly bringing up gamergate this much? There is nothing of value related to Men’s advocacy to dredge up from this topic, let it die.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:03 PM
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I think you are leaving out a really big part where Zoey Quinn got dog piled by a massive portion of the internet. It’s not just that an ex called her a cheating whore, it’s that a bunch of content creators and randos alike joined in, marked her as the succubus who killed gaming journalism as well as a cheating whore. That is the harassment she is talking about, being badgered by randos on the internet and having her reputation dragged through the mud. Cheating is bad but Zoey’s sex life isn’t m…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 04:00 PM
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I think we need to stop playing into the narrative that feminists are defacto moral authorities and we need them to validate our ideas. Of course their responses are atrocious, did you seriously think they would agree with you? On what planet could things possibly go that way? How many times do feminists need to show you who they are before you believe them? Why are you guys so often surprised by things you already know?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 03:32 PM
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Instead of saying “it’s crazy that feminists think x” it’s better to just ask for the correct answer. It’s just not useful to be confused and bewildered by behavior that they have had for ages and makes sense within the framework of their belief system. Feminists think criticism of feminism is misogyny because they believe feminism is the be all end all of women rights. You are making a distinction between feminism and women’s rights, they aren’t, they believe there can be no women’s rights with…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 04:13 PM
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It’s not hard to understand. It you call yourself anti-feminist you’ve already cross their line by a mile.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 03:56 PM
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I think the point of r/askfeminists is to present feminists as collectively being as reasonable as possible. I’ve seen them give reasonable answers too, but I’ve also seen those reasonable answers not be reflected in the greater majority of feminists writ large.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/24 03:54 PM
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Whatever you pick, it is going to get demonized by them. So just go with the one you like.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/24 09:38 PM
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Simplified version: Feminist ideology causes the left to abandon men flat out. This leaves men disenfranchised. Cunning as ever, conservatives know you can collect the votes of disenfranchised men if you at least appear to want to listen to them and do something to help them. Conservatives are not going to properly understand or actually address men issues mind you, they really just want to pay them enough lip service to get men’s votes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/24 03:46 PM
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All I can say is hold on, stay strong, and don’t let them break you. Actually I can say one more thing: you’ve listed nothing but red flags about your current girl. She uses tradition that she herself rejects for woman to extract money from you. She tries to invalidate your gender when she doesn’t get her way. She doesn’t reciprocate your generosity. She has no compassion or even imagination for you or men’s issues. Why would you want to be with someone who makes you resent them this much? Kind …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/24 03:38 PM
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The whole mansplaining thing just demonstrates the double standard with lashing out over insecurity. When a man feels insecure, he did it to himself and it’s his moral failing. He has no right to lash out. The reason that woman accused you of mansplaining is because it made her feel insecure that she needed a man to explain her own anatomy. A man would have been treated like an idiot if he expressed not knowing female anatomy. She was Legit ignorant, you enlightened her, but she gets away with l…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/24 02:33 PM
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He doesn’t want light to be shed on an obvious problem of the his chosen political party, which is typical for a partisan. What else needs to be discussed here?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 05:41 PM
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If I told my mom there is a social convention prohibiting the paternal grandmother from being too involved with her grandchildren. She would be like “No there isn’t.” And that would be the end of that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/24 08:16 PM
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As opposed to what though? What is the actual alternative, sit and stew in loneliness forever? A not ideal experience is still probably more useful than continuing on with no experience what so ever. Let’s stop blaming the person who is trying to help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 03:28 PM
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“Great fucking experience?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/24 03:18 PM
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How did so many people just wake up one day as hard blank-slatests who seriously believe the number one reason people commit crimes is because no one taught them not to crime? “Power corrupts, absolutely power corrupts absolutely.” “WeLl JuSt RaIsE yOuR kIDs To NoT bE cOrRuPt ThEn.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 05:26 PM
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The OP that this is about is such a clusterfuck and there just is no morally black and white answer. For the guy, I get why he is hurt by this. His wife said she did it for her security, which means for every day that past without a go bag she felt an anxiety that she needs that go bag ASAP because he can abusive any day now. If you are this insecure about your husband that not having a go bag actually stresses you out, then the husband is right to say she doesn’t trust him, that’s just plain no…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 04:57 PM
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I don’t understand this logic. If a woman doesn’t contribute anything and you don’t want to tolerate that, then don’t tolerate it. You’re the one who is in control of what a woman can get away with in a relationship, you are the one with the power to walk away. What the internet has to say on the matter is irrelevant. This problem is not so rampant that it requires fretting over, the vast majority of women do bring something to the table, this idea that all woman want to be sugar babies is just …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/24 01:37 AM
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Feminists actively subvert these goals.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/24 05:07 PM
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Seriously? Harry Styles fan fervor is not even close to Taylor Swift’s fan fervor. Taylor Swift fan obsession is in a league of it’s own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/24 06:44 PM
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No, it annoys me that Liberals aren’t speaking up.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 05:06 PM
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I don’t know what your point is. There is AI porn of many actresses right now too, but I don’t hear mobs of women outraging over Jennifer Lawrence or Scarlet Johansen AI porn for instance. I’m not arguing that AI porn of men doesn’t exist, I’m saying women are not rallying against all AI porn of all celebrities, it’s really just Taylor Swift.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/24 05:04 PM
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Not sure if the gender comparisons work here. Women don’t just give massive shits about every single woman who has had actual, not just AI, nudes of them leaked. There is no male celebrity that people are rabidly obsessed with on the scale of Taylor Swift. She’s a pretty big outlier.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/24 10:58 PM
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I’m not a fan of this “ally” label, and for the most part, I don’t think Men’s Advocates think with that paradigm. When feminists describe someone as an ally, it seems they are saying that their role is to support feminism from the sidelines. Like the ally is not supposed to take center stage and appear to be heroic, the role of hero is reserved for women activists, and the ally is not supposed to steal their thunder. I personally think that’s petty. Considering the fact that Men’s Advocates is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/24 06:51 PM
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I’m sorry to hear men who you have tried to empathize with have responded to you with such cruelty. I don't know what social circles you are engaging in, or what you are saying to them exactly. But Men’s advocacy is not an institution, it is not an organization, at the moment it is a philosophical and political conversation that is actively suppressed and silenced and punished by the dominant hegemonies. We don’t have an anti-transphobia ethos, because we don’t have a unified ethos period, we’re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 10:32 PM
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Greta Gerwig was not nominated for an Oscar for Barbie. Margot Robbie was not nominated for Barbie. Ryan Gosling was the only person nominated to win an Oscar for their part in the Barbie movie and I just can’t stop laughing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/24 09:42 PM
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It’s almost as if politics is not a gender war, and dividing your society with endless bombardments or anti-male propaganda, as if it were, will only destroy your cause in the end… Or something.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/24 04:56 PM
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Get the fuck off social media now. As soon as you find yourself doom scrolling make a point to try and make yourself do something. Even if that just means playing video games, do it, it’s waaaaay more healthy soon scrolling. I know exactly what you are talking about, rhetoric like this sticks in your mind and next thing you now manifests as intrusive thoughts that make you miserable, so you have to cut it at the source. Start thinking about rewarding was you can spend your time, and work on dive…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/24 06:23 PM
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Excellent point. It’s absolutely right that issues that are valuable as rhetoric, seem to never get solved.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/24 06:17 PM
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I think most people on some level believe men = the state. So they see men fleeing as tantamount to the government fleeing, and thus, they are cowards deserting their duty.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 07:10 PM
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I do think women are socially expected to do “emotional labor ”, but the expectation is by and for other women, like their moms, grandmothers, aunts, mothers in law etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 07:03 PM
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The same reason monopolies are threatened by competition. They have a hold on power they are trying to protect.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 06:56 PM
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Things like this only serve to demonstrate that removing male talent doesn’t lead to better results.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 06:54 PM
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Pick me = not possessed by an internet Hivemind hegemony. Which means they are exactly who you should pick.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 06:35 PM
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There is no such thing as positive masculinity. We need to abandon these binary models of though not lean into them. “Making women happy” is probably not what male advocacy should be prioritizing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 06:32 PM
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There is no line between normal attraction and objectification, because if their was a line, they wouldn’t be able to use it as a cudgel.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/24 06:30 PM
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That’s because Menslib is a feminist sock puppet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/23 03:25 PM
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Not an option. We need to focus on realistic things. Transhumanism for male benefit specifically is never going to be a thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/11/23 06:44 PM
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We aren’t “neutral” either. Standing up for Male Advocacy is not a neutral position.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/11/23 02:34 PM
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Word. The social justice ethos of today makes the 90’s colorblindness ethos look like E=MC².
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 04:30 PM
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If this many women were falling behind in school, they would have restructured the entire education system decades ago.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/10/23 04:13 PM
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At this point, most of us can predict their answers word for word. I don’t know why any of us would expect them to surprise us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 04:09 PM
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Agreed completely. At best we are just convincing them that they are the gatekeepers and highest authorities on these issues when we act as if we need their agreement and approval.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 04:06 PM
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Sometimes it will be. One group of feminists could be our direct opposition, another group could be our ally. But I don’t think it make sense to internalize an “anti-feminist” identity as if feminism cannot possibly be anything but an enemy to you. Sometimes, leftists will be your enemy, liberals, conservatives, socialists, capitalists, all of these groups could at any point be our opponents on a given issue, that doesn’t mean we should identify ourselves as anti-those-things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 03:53 PM
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This is true about all Anti-Feminists. I’ve said this many times, and this needs to become common sense: Anti-feminist does not equal men’s advocates. Never assume it does. There are many reasons why a person might be anti-feminist, here are a few examples: they are traditional conservatives, they are fundamentalist Christians, Muslims, or any other religion that is destabilized by feminist messaging, they are Andrew tate types who want to sell you something. Bringing anti-x is not being pro-y, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/23 03:00 PM
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You need to work on your ability to follow arguments. You are literally repeating the parts I already agreed with you on. again, i never said people don't view men that way, but people who have this "grrr i hate men and want them to suffer in agony" mentality are usually radical feminists. That might have been true at some point, but I don’t think this is the case anymore misandry has become so popular, that it doesn’t have to be in the name of feminism, it’s often just for shits and giggles. Ei…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 03:15 AM
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FGM is by in large mostly administered by women, so by that logic… I have never seen people bend over backward so far to talk themselves out of having basic human empathy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 02:45 AM
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You are elaborating, which is good, definitely a clearer argument than “because gender roles”, but you still don’t seem to understand why I am disagreeing with you in the first place. It sounds like I can summarize your point with: most instances of what often gets called misogyny or misandry are instances of calls to adhere to outdated gender norms, and not based on literal hatred? Agreeable? I agree with that position when it comes to most instances of what gets called “misogyny” but I would a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 02:38 AM
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No, it’s apt. Here is the problem with your argument: you don’t get to speak for massive group of people and claim to know all of your intentions. A lot of misandry is definitely hateful, and it’s absurd to say other wise. You’re going to sit there and tell me when Clementine ford says Covid should have killed more men, it’s fine because gender roles? Gtfo of here with that my shit don’t stink crap. Claiming that something is done out of supposed good or legitimate intentions doesn’t make it not…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 01:03 AM
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If I fart in your face and tell you it’s because gender roles, will that make it smell like roses?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/23 12:52 AM
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If she is accusing you of hating women, then she is taking you at bad faith. I think it is worth communicating to her, that you do not deserve to taking with bad faith, because you’ve been together for over a decade, she knows you, she already knows you don’t hate woman. Writing your partner off by slapping them with a label is really not how your partner of over a decade should be treating you. She should be listening, she should be respecting your thoughts and feelings. I think angry moods can…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 11:34 PM
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Women don’t either, see abortion. The idea that women are a united front is feminist propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 08:48 PM
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Oppression is an abstract concept that contains more than just systemic oppression. It is possible that be “oppressed” by your own fears for instance.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 08:45 PM
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The thing is though, sometimes sexism, I’m looking at you misandry, literally is hatred and dehumanization of the other. Most misandry we see in social media is character assassination of men, spreading the disinformation that men cannot be trusted and have inherent bad intentions. Nothing good can come from that, if that’s not an attempt to undermine the lives of men, I don’t know what is. Character assassination is the first step toward dehumanizing. Once you have established that demographic …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 07:38 PM
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Not married but very long term, almost a decade. We do have conversations about men’s issues, she has been thankfully receptive and understanding. It is very nice being with a person who actually recognizes misandry and doesn’t just ignore it or say it can’t exist. I’m not as 100% forthcoming with her as I am on here though. I’m mainly sharing my most evidence based takes, while withholding most of my more opinion based takes. Even though she is not a feminist, I tend to keep anti-feminist rheto…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/09/23 07:32 PM
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Menslib is a leash to keep you away from actual men’s issues resources. You just gave me a great idea for a t-shirt. A guy with a lobotomy scare on his forehead and a t-shirt that reads “This is what a feminist looks like.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/23 05:46 PM
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Should have come back with. “You’re software, you don’t experience discomfort.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/09/23 05:30 PM
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Society depends on men sacrificing themselves without complaint. Society is used to catering toward women, but when a man acts as if he deserves more safety, attention, or compassion than what is typical of men, then he will be treated like a selfish weakling who asking for too much. Men acting feminine are not treated with hostility because of a general hatred of women, but because he is like a man “stealing” a seat on the titanic’s lifeboat. When a man acts feminine society sees a man shirking…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/09/23 04:41 PM
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Seems like it. I certainly don’t see where he got that 70% figure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/23 04:46 PM
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So does she, ask her for her evidence first. You are never in a position where only you have to deliver evidence and the other person doesn’t, she started with claiming gender essentialist nonsense so it is up to her to provide the evidence for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/23 02:40 PM
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I can. Most people are only interested in being virtuous as long as it wins them social currency. When doing the right thing does not immediate reward them with prestige and social brownie points, they become as callus as conservatives.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/23 06:11 PM
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Absolutely nothing. Feminists did not invent society’s sexual expectations for men. Let’s try and keep our lenses clear as possible, shall we Gents? We don’t need to lie to ourselves when the evidence already supports our case.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/23 05:38 PM
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I don’t think many feminists would claim men are oppressed, because to do so would give us the kind of power of grievance that they prefer to monopolize for themselves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/23 05:32 PM
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So you understand that Menslib is primarily feminist, but you don’t understand how they can be so exclusionary of discussion? Interesting. Let me answer that with a question: Can you think of a single feminist space that promotes inclusive, transparent, and open minded discussion of men’s experiences without censorship? Because I don’t know if you’ve noticed this, but feminists have never been known for promotes listening to men’s experiences about anything. So why does a feminist space disallow…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/23 05:23 PM
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How to dismiss them? By ignoring them and continuing to advocate for men. Addressing every gate keeper is a waste of time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/23 04:53 PM
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Well if she is only sending you signals that she will be supportive, then it is up to you to disregard your worry and allow yourself to give vulnerability a try. You can’t get much greener than a green flag.
/r/MenSupportMen06/05/23 08:38 PM
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Are you sure that she is the one inhibiting your vulnerability, or do you just feel like you need to withhold your feelings? I know this feeling too, but I also know my partner won’t fall apart if I cry and be vulnerable in front of her every now and again. Sometimes the barriers we put on ourselves are more imposing than the ones they put in us, and we just need to have faith that they can handle our vulnerability, for our own good.
/r/MenSupportMen28/04/23 05:50 PM
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Obviously the death threats are over the top, but telling a women that she “shouldn’t feel X” is not useful advice because it doesn’t address any underlying issues and will just make them feel invalided.
/r/MenSupportMen28/04/23 05:13 PM
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Rest assured that in the very near future, you will look back on this moment and feel thankful that she showed you who she was, for you will never have to suffer her again.
/r/MenSupportMen28/04/23 05:08 PM
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I think we should just let men talk about the issues they feel most passionately about instead of always trying to turn them into your personal army that only focuses on what you wanna talk about. You wanna hear more men talking about rape and domestic abuse? The floor is yours, talk about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/23 05:24 PM
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That’s natural, as long as you didn’t hate her gut, you will miss her because you became accustomed to her and also not being alone, so going back to being alone will feel extra lonely until you get used to that too. It’s all temporary, you aren’t a bad guy, you were not put here on this planet to make some girl happy, you’re here to live your best life. Remember you matter, what you want matters, her feelings don’t supersede that.
/r/MenSupportMen13/04/23 06:38 PM
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Ignore the line, you are not trying to impress all women, who cares about what women you don’t even care about thinks.
/r/MenSupportMen13/04/23 06:33 PM
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It would be interesting to see a feminine gay man as the strong protagonist of the story Job from the show Banshee is a solid example. Super intimidating feminine gay man. Now the show itself has some weird messaging that arguably perpetuates the “Alpha males are irresistible to women” fallacy and kind of glorifies fascism in the way that solutions are always with violence with force outside of the law. But still definitely a very intimidating and likable feminine gay male character.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/23 06:40 PM
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Also a good discussion, but lost 90% of my respect when he brought it back to “It’s because of the patriarchy and the patriarchy hurts men too.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/23 06:22 PM
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I have a younger partner who clearly thinks you’re wrong. Looks like you don’t actually speak for women do you?
/r/MensRights05/03/23 05:07 PM
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Preaching to the choir. We can agree on that, yes, feminists won’t.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/23 05:39 PM
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I don’t know what “they” you are asking about, but I was refering to the OP who was seemingly acting as if the writers wrote about a mom perving on a teenage boy because they want to encourage it in real life.
/r/MensRights15/02/23 05:21 PM
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You have to realize completely closing the empathy could take 50 to 100 years. Closing the Empathy gap is playing the long game, the very very long game. This is not fixed with ad campaigns and a little online debating and propaganda, it’s fixed slowly over generations with new open minds being born and old closed minds dying off. In the mean time, we’re probably going to want to grab some lowering hanging fruits that won’t take years of socialization to accomplish.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/23 05:01 PM
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I found that kind of realistic though. Honestly I like my shows realistic even if it’s sending a “bad” message.
/r/MensRights13/02/23 06:08 PM
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Then that freshness vanishes again when you remember when no one gives a shit about their admission.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/23 05:24 PM
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%100. But even going back to women, another thing that perplexes me is you only see people claiming actual romantic relationships with younger women are unethical, but not when it comes to sex work. If a 50 something year old man pays an 18 year woman old for sex, that’s all good and empowering, but if that same 50 something year old man and 18 year old woman agree to have a romantic relationship together, that’s where we cross the line!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 09:09 PM
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Oh I have definitely seen people argue online to raise the age of consent to 25, with an argument that the brain doesn’t fully develop till 25. So many of these people seem to just want to throw good men in jail just for shits and giggles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 07:40 PM
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It’s wild that they can’t see the cultural regression in infantilizing women at ever increasing stages of life. It’s like 18 is the new 13 and 25 is the new 18, but only for women. A lot of people, again namely women, like to buy into the belief that girls reach emotional maturity faster than boys. Oh? Then why is older women with younger men seen as more ethical than the other way around? If boys are less emotionally mature than girls at young ages, then that means they are more vulnerable for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 07:00 PM
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It is very interesting to me that in our culture it has become insulting to depict women as damsels in distress who need a man to save them. However in real life, people, namely other women, seem to be obsessed with saving women from perils that aren’t real perils, and seem to actually see women as a bunch of damsels who can’t make good decisions on their own, constantly needing to be saved from themselves. How is that not even more insulting to women? Even if it was an objective fact that their…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 06:36 PM
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No one tries harder to debunk the agency of adult women than older women who can’t stand the fact that men their age are desired by younger women.
/r/MensRights08/02/23 05:26 PM
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When feminists can’t control a space, they flee the space and retreat to the ones they can control. That’s what ended up happening, they couldn’t dominate the debates, so the feminists fled, leaving behind the critics of feminism who still want to discuss the issues. Then feminists were like “feminism uncensored is a cesspool of antifeminists! All the real feminists have been shouted down!” Which is hilarious, because their real problem was that the antifeminists and other feminists critics refu…
/r/AntiFeminists29/12/22 07:08 PM
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You don’t “care” to watch a video but you do “care” to listen to a podcast? Why does the medium change how much you care about it’s content?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/22 04:09 PM
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Sure why not.
/r/AntiFeminists28/12/22 07:28 PM
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I dunno they look like they are having a pretty good time in those comments.
/r/AntiFeminists28/12/22 07:24 PM
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Allies is such a bullshit feminist word. They aren’t just our allies, they are us.
/r/AntiFeminists28/12/22 07:21 PM
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How convenient that it only lasts for 24 hours and none of them have to think of the deeper implications of what happens when civilization needs to move on and fill all the niches left behind by men, and a whole new system new upper class protected women and a lower class of disposable women forms.
/r/AntiFeminists26/12/22 08:37 PM
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Who would of thought women who think they have magical powers could be so unreasonable?
/r/AntiFeminists24/12/22 04:53 PM
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I never understood why people think it makes sense that men should be solely responsible for getting both themselves and their partners off during sex.
/r/AntiFeminists24/12/22 04:50 PM
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Maybe women should communicate better instead of just expecting men to know what they like. shrug Just a thought.
/r/AntiFeminists24/12/22 04:27 PM
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They don’t care what it means or what they are encouraging by using it so often, they only care about the power it has to destroy your social standing.
/r/AntiFeminists24/12/22 04:24 PM
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One of the biggest sources of feminist power comes from their ability control morality via organizing en mass offended reactions among women. Whenever they try to convince women that they should all collectively have the exact same offended reaction to something, it is an attempt at amassing soft power and shifting the society’s sense of morality toward the direction that benefits them the most. It is narrative control. It looks like they are trying to create an environment where anyone who uses…
/r/AntiFeminists19/12/22 05:14 PM
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Wtf the fuck is the insane logic? Men make women do only fans? That’s like saying consumers make corporations exploit their employees and polute the environment. Nobody is making you do shit.
/r/AntiFeminists19/12/22 05:03 PM
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What egalitarian alternate reality are you living in?
/r/AntiFeminists19/12/22 04:56 PM
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Hurting men takes priority over making sense.
/r/AntiFeminists19/12/22 04:54 PM
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Isn’t our goal to not be as petty and insufferable as they are?
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 09:56 PM
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Men don’t have an equivalent to tits. The penis is not the equivalent to tits. Gender swapping is a false equivalency.
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 06:36 PM
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A.) This post shouldn’t be here, it has nothing to do with feminism or feminists. B.) Y’all need to take the stick out of your asses if you seriously think the joke she made is that big of a deal. I’m with oop on this one, that’s such a weak thing to unmatch a person about. Mentioning your tits is not offensive, get the fuck out of here with that shit.
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 05:31 PM
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I think feminists get embarrassed when you have to explain something to them on their terf that they should have already known or believed. They will accuse you of trolling just for making them look bad.
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 05:24 PM
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I have zero memories of a man ever telling me to smile more, nor do I have memories of a man telling a different man to smile more. I did have one guy point out that I had a smile on my face as I was take a walk the other day, not quite the same. I think I’ve been told to smile by a few women, but it’s not a common thing at all.
/r/AntiFeminists18/12/22 05:00 PM
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You know we in fight too right?
/r/AntiFeminists17/12/22 07:50 PM
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It’s for women who want to be catty and put other women down while also patting themselves on the back and telling themselves they are a good feminist who fights Misogyny.
/r/AntiFeminists17/12/22 05:39 PM
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It’s actually not. There is a fuck ton of infighting and disagreement among feminists. They want you to think they have a consensus and that they speak for all women, but they really don’t.
/r/AntiFeminists17/12/22 05:25 PM
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Because they mindlessly clap for any kind of anti-male sentiment like a bunch of fucking circus seals.
/r/AntiFeminists17/12/22 05:24 PM
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This isn’t even gender. Nobody tells me to smile more than my girlfriend.
/r/AntiFeminists17/12/22 05:23 PM
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I believe there are statistics that do show it does tend to give both genders pause.
/r/AntiFeminists16/12/22 09:49 PM
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All very interesting points. You’ve nuanced my perspective.
/r/AntiFeminists16/12/22 08:00 PM
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Just because you’ve met some doesn’t mean they aren’t still a tiny minority of men. I met a billionaire once, that doesn’t make them common. Your other points I do agree with.
/r/AntiFeminists16/12/22 05:19 PM
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To address you sincerely: If feminists actually applied the scientific method to feminism, it would vaporize before their eyes. They are anti-science for the same reason fundamentalist religion is anti-science: Dogma and science don’t get along. It’s very difficult to pontificate sweeping generalizations and bold claims about men and humanity when the scientists keep chiming in with “That’s… demonstrably false actually… Also, do you have any evidence for that other thing you said? Oh okay… And I…
/r/AntiFeminists16/12/22 12:40 AM
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That’s basically the case lol. It seems like the fact that feminists don’t actually speak for all women is feminism’s dirty little secret.
/r/AntiFeminists16/12/22 12:34 AM
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How many men even have 100 partners though? Hell, how many men have over 20? It is significantly harder for men to get high numbers, than it is for most women. When we say it’s okay for “men” to have high body counts, we are talking about a tiny minority of men, the vast majority of men are not going to experience that much privilege in their sexual pursuit. To be clear, I’m in the “I don’t give a shit” camp. If you’re a women who has been with 100 men, I’m sure you are lovely. However, I think …
/r/AntiFeminists16/12/22 12:11 AM
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“WoMeN dOn’T cAlL tHeMsElVeS FeMAlEs! YoU mUsT bE a MaN iN dIsGuIsE!”
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 11:50 PM
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Feminists love to claim they are in control of all women’s opinions. They think they get to decide what other women find offensive, when they could even convince women to support state-side abortion rights.
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 09:23 PM
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Throwing stones in their glass houses again are they?
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 09:11 PM
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Slow clap
/r/AntiFeminists15/12/22 09:05 PM
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Yup, definitely sounds like my Mom. She never threatened with a knife, but she sure did hit. It all sounds like entitlement. “I’m the mother, so must obey no matter what. You must love me, praise me, take care of me unconditionally, NO MATTER WHAT” is her mentality. She doesn’t care about our reasons, our traumas, all she cares about is what she thinks she is owed. No worries on the novel, thank you for sharing, I’m sorry your mother and her siblings had to go through that as well. Hehe, yeah no…
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 05:59 PM
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Hey don’t worry about me, I’m 37 now and happily living with my partner. It’s her who now lives out the rest of her days wondering why almost no one in the family wants anything to do with her (and then concluding it’s because my dad brainwashed them, as opposed to… You know, we made our own opinions based on experience of how she actually treated us.)
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 05:39 PM
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I mean, by being on r/Narcissism, isn’t she admitting she is a narcissist? Because offense is definitely extremely self-centered and narcissistic thinking. Our guy dodged a bullet, it’s a good thing she rejected him. I looked up the post, most comments seem to be roasting her not consoling her. We probably shouldn’t be listening to narcissists when comes to dating though, should we? I think it’s okay to write off her “message” about men dating as trash, don’t you think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/22 05:31 PM
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Like antibodies, we will grow in number until the disease is healed.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 05:11 PM
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Awesome. Keep up the jokes kings.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 05:09 PM
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Sounds exactly like my mom.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 05:08 PM
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Has it ever once considered to you thank mind games are a red flag?
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 05:05 PM
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Even if it’s not physical, the fact that he is suffering this much over means it’s undermining their relationship, which qualifies it as emotional cheating.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 04:57 PM
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I’m dunno man, South American feminists seem pretty insane as well.
/r/AntiFeminists11/12/22 04:50 PM
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She wants to hurt him and make him feel rejected. That’s always why they use that label.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 07:12 PM
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You say “feminists”, they hear “woman in general.” They love to pretend they speak for all women, call it out.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 07:10 PM
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The more heroic men are, the more they make the women look less heroic, and their deeds will be downplayed. For feminists, fighting for your rights is a zero some contest for which gender can collect the most glory points.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 06:58 PM
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The thing is, I am a feminist, I agree that women should have voting rights and the right to work Being a feminist in 2022 because you believe women should have the right to vote and work, is like being an American Republican in 2022 because you are against slavery. Both of these political organizations have drifted veerrrrry far from the intentions they laid out over a century ago.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 06:52 PM
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The argument that society doesn’t believe women who claimed they are raped is such an outright lie, that I’m pretty sure the creator of this just wants to get rid of due process, because it’s only the obvious frauds like Amber Heard that people have been openly skeptical about.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 06:38 PM
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Okay so remind me again why it is wrong to depict women in movies as helpless and needing to be saved, when clearly so many of them think they are helpless and will need to be saved?
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 06:30 PM
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“Misleading” is a way too charitable description of an outright lie that’s designed to inspire hatred of half of the human population.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/22 11:20 PM
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In what way?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/22 05:17 PM
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Of course those people you mistake for friends think sex is the only thing that matters, they don’t have anything else going for them, it is the one accomplishment they have to be proud of. Of course they are going to throw it in your face, that’s what insecure douche bags do (not to be confused with friends), they project their own insecurities onto other people by claiming they are the ones who are liking in accomplishment. Real friends will want to raise you up if they feel you might need hel…
/r/MenSupportMen05/12/22 02:10 AM
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You do realize feminists are doing much more than just making female characters beat up men in movies and games right?
/r/AntiFeminists21/11/22 05:31 PM
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The way to stand idly by as they take over more and more institutions and seats of power.
/r/AntiFeminists21/11/22 04:41 PM
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Feminists have a lot in common with American Republicans, especially when it comes to dishonest tactics and hivemind behavior. In the same way that Republicans admit they are anti-democracy by using the tactic of arbitrarily claiming election fraud and denying voter legitimacy just because they lost, Feminists admit they are Anti-justice and anti-fair trial and of course anti-male when they reject all evidence and arbitrarily support Amber Heard.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/22 05:19 PM
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I think we need to do both or either depending on what label we are specifically taking about. Negative stereotypes against men in general need to be called out and fought, however there are some things that should be reclaimed. One of feminism’s main propaganda strategies is to taking a positive masculine trait, and then inverting it into something negative, then repackaging it with a new label, usually just attaching “man” to the beginning of the word. One example of this is mansplaining. An e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/22 05:11 PM
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No one should identify so strongly with their job that they actually get personally offended when someone points out it’s a bullshit job. Some jobs truly are are bullshit, it’s not something to be assumed of if you have a bullshit job, either way you’re getting paid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 03:47 PM
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A tiny bit but not because society is becoming more empathetic and making men’s issues more safe to talk about, it’s because our numbers are growing and we are pushing through the stigma.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/22 03:27 PM
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She misspelled Rookie while trying to roast OP on his grammar.
/r/AntiFeminists13/11/22 02:55 PM
2

“Bookie?” You arrange bets over sporting events?
/r/AntiFeminists11/11/22 06:11 PM
3

This is what socialization looks like.
/r/AntiFeminists11/11/22 05:08 PM
4

The “Trans women are woman” one is not a feminist position strictly speaking, Terfs/Gender Critical feminists don’t agree with this position, and yet they are still feminists. Also… Why the fuck do you want to egg us on to make trans exclusionary arguments?
/r/AntiFeminists11/11/22 04:53 PM
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It actually makes me happy to hear a self identified “Alpha male” type express that he wants to protect other men. I often don’t see those two things go together.
/r/AntiFeminists11/11/22 04:41 PM
2

I hope this tweet haunts her for the rest of her life.
/r/AntiFeminists09/11/22 06:38 PM
3

Faith without evidence is always irrational, period. You kind of just have to own that because it comes with the religious territory. You don’t believe in god because there is a rational argument behind it, you believe because you have to, or want to.
/r/AntiFeminists06/11/22 08:46 PM
1

Calling everyone who doesn’t think like them a rapist, yet another thing they have in common with Q-anon.
/r/AntiFeminists06/11/22 07:13 PM
3

Which it is.
/r/AntiFeminists06/11/22 06:42 PM
2

Let’s not… Let’s try to not be homelander in our future metaphors plz and thank you.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 07:52 PM
2

There are already laws that codify things like men can’t be raped, so for something that isn’t normalized already, it’s pretty fucking normal.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 07:51 PM
10

Vietnam and Iraq vets be rolling in their beds.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 07:48 PM
1

I heard you the first time, no need to repeat. It’s a stupid point that refutes nothing.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 07:31 PM
2

Oh wow, I never though of it it that way. Only 80% had to freeze to death and or drown, that’s not so bad at all! Silly us, thinking we were disposable, when in reality, just the bottom 80% was disposable. It’s only the vast majority! That’s totally different! I guess we should all be “glass is 20% full” kinds of guys, huh? But seriously, you can just fuck right off.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 07:27 PM
1

Then wtf is even your point?
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 07:15 PM
2

Because a version of feminism that actually cares about helping society and creating a more fair and just world only exists in people’s imagination. The real thing just cares about power for mostly upper class woman.
/r/MensRights02/11/22 06:57 PM
1

What a bizarre hill to die on. “What’s that? Only 20% of men on board survived the titanic compared to 74.4% of women? Seems equal to me!”
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 06:16 PM
1

I’ll drink to those feminist tears.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 06:06 PM
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"It turns into a community which has very different view, I think, of what's right and what's wrong. They talk very openly about their views of women, and the rules around rape. It's OK to rape women of a particular race," he claimed. The fuck is this idiot talking about. This is literally disinformation.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 06:03 PM
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Well it’s kind of obvious why, Gen Z grew up seeing women at peak privilege, while also at peak victim complex mode, and peak anti-male extremism, while men are at their most disenfranchised point in history. Of course they are going to backlash.
/r/AntiFeminists02/11/22 05:58 PM
1

Dungeons and Dragons
/r/MenSupportMen01/11/22 03:56 PM
2

Going to raves, collaborative music production, and dnd.
/r/MenSupportMen31/10/22 03:27 PM
2

Ball and chain obviously has sexist overtones because it’s only used on wives, marriage market is still used as long as dating coaches and other people who talking about sexuality in terms of markets exist, and getting your mrs. degree was never really all that prevalent of a saying in the first place. Wife material isn’t inherently negative (unlike ball and chain), and it’s not uncommon (unlike Mrs. Degree). Also in my experience, “marriage material” is not a complement given to women by men, i…
/r/AntiFeminists30/10/22 11:54 PM
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Marriage itself is not outdated, people are still doing it. As long as there is marriage, “marriage material” is a valid concept.
/r/AntiFeminists30/10/22 06:39 PM
1

It is not enough to love a person, just because you love her doesn’t mean you should stay with her. You need to get as far away from her as possible before something even more terrible happens, like her lying to the police about you hitting her. The thing where she is sweet to you after the abuse is called love bombing, it is a common tactic of abuse and manipulative people, it’s just a performance, a person who truly loved you wouldn’t be trying to hurt you in the first place. Lawyer up and get…
/r/MenSupportMen27/10/22 03:43 PM
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/r/AntiFeminists24/10/22 09:24 PM
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MBTI is retarded
/r/AntiFeminists24/10/22 09:14 PM
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Because you obviously don’t know how to flip your bad faith switch when it comes to women.
/r/AntiFeminists23/10/22 10:38 PM
1

Holy shit a MGTOW with a dogmatic hatred for woman? Now I’ve seen everything.
/r/AntiFeminists23/10/22 09:37 PM
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Feminists seem to always fantasize about women being a complete hivemind with them as the queens of the hive. Even if Feminists pushed hard to get their followers to abstain from having kids, most women would just ignore this and do what they want. They would probably then claim the patriarchy silently pressured them into it.
/r/AntiFeminists23/10/22 09:33 PM
1

How dare she mature as she gets older!
/r/AntiFeminists23/10/22 06:06 PM
2

It’s almost as if men resent being the only ones who aren’t allowed to decide what Masculinity is.
/r/AntiFeminists23/10/22 05:59 PM
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It’s literally Cartel behavior, women attempting to force other woman to “price match” with the cartel to limit economic competition.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 11:07 PM
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What you have is not evidence, it is assumption and foundational bias. You ASSUME a feminist would never say such a thing, but again, you have no evidence. Perhaps you are correct that “you have no self respect” isn’t a feminist point of view, but that doesn’t mean a feminist won’t still think that way. Feminists are supposed to be in favor of equality as well, but many of them are against splitting the bill, and many of them prefer men who show benevolent sexism because it happens to be useful …
/r/MensRights22/10/22 10:57 PM
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It is never surprising when the people who have the more powerful position are reluctant to give up that position.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 10:41 PM
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You are right that there is no evidence that those women were feminists, but you have no evidence that those women were anti-feminists either. Self-proclaimed feminists shame woman for things like this all the time, see FDS.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 10:38 PM
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When it becomes wrong to call women “sluts”, then just change the slur to “pick me” and carry on as usual.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 10:36 PM
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Are you seriously looking to FDS for ideas on strategy? I think women who call other women “pick me” are scum and absolutely not who I aspire to emulate. “Pick me” is basically just used to inhibit women from criticizing traditional femininity, a thing that should be criticized. If you want to shame men for throwing men under the bus, then shame them for being misandrists, not for wanting women’s approval. Wanting women to like you is not the problem, perpetuating misandry is.
/r/MensRights22/10/22 10:26 PM
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they must have been pretty baked
/r/AntiFeminists21/10/22 09:00 PM
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Okay, now tell me how many times you have actually had to use your improvised key punch dagger? Fear =! Danger
/r/AntiFeminists21/10/22 05:44 PM
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And a car that they are walking to alone at night.
/r/AntiFeminists21/10/22 05:43 PM
1

Which debunks your assertion about hard men being hard to control.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 06:07 PM
1

Yes, We all know how bigotry works sweety.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 06:00 PM
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“Professor Hiscox said he discussed the trial with the ABS and did not consider it a rigorous or randomised control trial” That’s probably because selecting the best candidate for a position isn’t supposed to be random at all.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 05:53 PM
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What makes you think fear is their only means of control? Edit: the military is made of men who were trained to be hard, yes? How difficult do you think it is for a commanding officer to get the to March?
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 05:45 PM
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Why is softness even the problem here?
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 05:40 PM
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Traditional feminity is half of what makes traditional masculinity. If traditional masculinity is toxic, traditional femininity must also be toxic, as it encourages, reinforces, and socializes traditional masculinity.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 05:25 PM
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What are you talking about? The elites have been controlling masculine men for thousands of years. Wtf do you think the Roman legion was, a bunch of femboys with spears?
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 05:21 PM
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Also, why do you need to troll a person on the internet anyway? What do you need to prove? Sounds like you are unwell. Better get help.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 04:20 PM
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Oh yes of course, you aren’t really invested, you’re just “trolling.” And yet you can let it go with a dude in the internet. You project a lot, that’s another reason you aren’t qualified to diagnose people on the internet.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 04:19 PM
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You have issues dealing with woman and sexual hang ups Once again. That ^ , was the diagnosis. No my anger does not affirm shit. Mental wellness does not = void of anger.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 04:03 PM
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Give up on diagnosing people on the internet, you are not qualified for this. You are helping no one, all you are doing is demonstrating how much of an ignorant , smug, self-righteous prat you are.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 03:42 PM
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You have issues dealing with woman and sexual hang ups I love it. It’s always “my diagnosis: you can’t get no bitches”. I married you fucking idiot. Maybe you should actually look into what people’s arguments are instead of just assuming when people don’t think like you, it’s because they can’t land a date.
/r/AntiFeminists20/10/22 03:27 PM
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When Rad Fems stop talking about genecide as a final solution to the “men problem”, I’ll stop comparing them to nazis. Until then, Rad fems are the nazis of the leftwing. You want to honor the memory of all who were murdered by Nazi Germany? Stop covering you for the people who use the same hateful rhetoric and propose the same inhumane solutions.
/r/AntiFeminists16/10/22 04:28 PM
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Because a lot of women are actually great and being in a relationship with one improves your quality of life in a number of ways. Also, no, problems with feminism does not come from “men interacting with women” it comes from misandry, anti-male beliefs and sentiments, plain and simple. It is misandry that harms they way men and women interact, we aren’t just naturally at odds with each other. If you experience nothing but rejection from women, then perhaps avoiding them is for you, but if you ha…
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 05:29 PM
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What’s your point?
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 05:22 PM
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I watched this Romcom with my gf, it was about a psychic girl who is literally psychic and runs a psychic reading business, you know, one of those businesses that are 100% run by scammers and charlatans IRL. Well in this show, not a single person takes her psychic powers with a grain of skeptical salt, every character just 100% buys into her powers without evidence, as if people with actual psychic powers is the most normal thing in the world. The powers is just a way to make the main character …
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 05:11 PM
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My favorite part of this is she has zero faith in valid female democratic candidates.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 04:59 PM
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Nazies gunna Nazi.
/r/AntiFeminists15/10/22 04:58 PM
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The “You should feel so lucky” defense, classic female gaslighting. Other men dream of being in this situation? Oh okay, go touch one of those ones then. You’ve taken the right steps so far, now just keep disinvesting in her and back away until she is beyond the horizon.
/r/MenSupportMen10/10/22 06:22 PM
2

What kind of work are you expected to do but can’t due to the nausea?
/r/MenSupportMen08/10/22 05:13 PM
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Have you had a conversation about this? Telling her how you feel and what you want? Because communication is always step 1.
/r/MenSupportMen07/10/22 03:45 PM
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Because you are stronger than them already, and they don’t like that. The only way they can be stronger than you, is if you accept that you are weak and powerless, don’t give them that.
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 03:58 PM
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“What are you trying to tell me? That I can dodge bullets?” “No, Neo. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready, you won't have to.”
/r/AntiFeminists01/10/22 03:56 PM
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No because it’s Canada we’re talking about, they get brownie points for excluding men, of course they are going to be vocal about it.
/r/AntiFeminists29/09/22 11:16 PM
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Because they’re excluding half of the populace.
/r/AntiFeminists29/09/22 10:09 PM
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The point is too look virtuous while also not spending very much money, compared to if you included men who make up the vast majority of homeless people.
/r/AntiFeminists29/09/22 09:34 PM
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This is one of the ways that intersectionality is only selectively applied, and the only applied to the advantage and special consideration of certain groups while ignoring even broader groups, like men… All of them. If you take into account any other intersection; like class/social status, race, sexuality, ableness, etc, then it can only true that any attack on men as a group is a punch in every direction at the same time, it cannot possibly be a punch in only one direction, men are just too da…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/22 12:19 AM
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The notion that feminism benefits men is not based on anything they are doing now. It is based on the assertion that feminism will go back and “help” men at some vague distant point in the future after the patriarchy has already been smashed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/22 09:01 PM
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Seriously, it’s actually very misogynistic. It’s like when feminists act as if women had absolutely no impact on the evolution our cultural norms and values, and it’s like “Oh so it makes sense that the contributions women aren’t strongly included in the history books then right? Because they just weren’t doing shit throughout history?” Pick a side, either women made important contributions to society and aren’t given enough credit in the historical records (and thus the co-creators of culture/c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 08:29 PM
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For real though. Feminists invented the corporate “power” feminism of the 90’s, and now when they look back on it they are like “How could we let the patriarchy do that to us?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 08:20 PM
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Everyone just forgets that Chloe, the girlfriend, has agency over what she want to do with her life, he is not making decisions for her. The guy set his terms, he wants to spend his life with her but doesn’t want marriage. She found that unacceptable at first and then said “ah what the hell” and decided she agrees to the terms. She made her decision, any talk about how “Well Chloe wants to get married and she is just going along to please you” is irrelevant because she already broke up with him,…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 06:05 PM
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Because sometimes the “not like the other girls” girl is actually better.
/r/AntiFeminists08/09/22 10:38 PM
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I mean, that probably means you don’t really add anything good to the relationship other than sex.
/r/AntiFeminists08/09/22 10:17 PM
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He sounds like the kind of person who posts low effort crap and acts like their genius is being censored after it gets deleted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/09/22 08:35 PM
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It was a good read until it was ended with a call for more feminist totalitarianism. She may have given up on blind faith in woman’s moral superiority but she hasn’t given up on blind faith in feminist moral superiority.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/22 05:50 PM
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I mean, this sub already does all the things you listed, and isn’t starting from the bottom with no content and no subscribers. Sooooo… Cool? But I’m good here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/22 04:43 PM
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What are you even talking about by “toxic behavior”? Because in the one place you elaborate, you say: “mostly just pursuing my own interests rather than theirs” which is not toxic by anybody’s standard. I don’t believe any feminists have ever once claimed toxic masculinity = men pursuing their own interests. So I have no idea what you are trying to describe as toxic behavior, can you give examples of what you are doing that aren’t vague and actually resemble examples of “toxic masculinity” that …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/22 05:27 PM
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If I recall correctly, women tend to show up to cast their ballots more than men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/22 02:32 PM
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More importantly: The man’s strength is irrelevant because if he puts a finger on her, he risks going to jail for a long time and having his social standing destroyed, and he is almost certainly very aware of this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/22 05:11 PM
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The bottom line is they want us to disappear, they don’t care how our why, just be gone. They are pretty transparent about that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 11:35 PM
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Traditional Feminity taught me that women’s emotions should be treated as more important than my own, and when a woman around me gets emotionally worked up, then it is my role to set aside whatever I am feeling that moment and outwardly present myself to her as emotionally available to her as her pillar to lean on. If my thoughts and feelings on any matter should offend or upset her, communicating them is not an option, as it would make me cruel and of course, a dick. Traditional Feminity also t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 10:00 PM
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A couple valid points: can we at least agree the word toxic is a dramatic fear-mongering hyperbole? What exactly does the word toxic make so crystal clear about masculinity? If “clarity” is what we are valuing here, then shouldn’t a more careful and accurate language be tool we need? We call arsenic toxic, we call ingesting lead and mercury toxic, these things will kill you or severe damage you no matter what. Masculinity is ancient and predates humans, every single behavioral meme that you are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 08:47 PM
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I mean, in many ways I kind of did. I didn’t really initially choose her on account of her matching my political opinions, in fact it took me a long while to actually open up to her about where I stand with male advocacy. I didn’t actually know she would be open-minded and empathic to male advocacy when we started dating, and truth be told, I wasn’t even interested in male advocacy when we started first dating, I didn’t start taking interest in MA until two years into our relationship. I still r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 07:11 PM
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I’m with an egalitarian, so I can’t help you. 9 months is really not that long, so decide now which of your values are non negotiable before putting more investment in this person.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 05:45 PM
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These people could shoot a man in the street and with a straight face tell you that wasn’t violence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 05:01 PM
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“Because we’re the good guys and they’re the bad guys!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 04:44 PM
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We talk plenty. It’s not a question of whether we should talk, the real question is: why should we feel as if you are the person with which we should be sharing our vulnerabilities? What have you done to prove your trustworthiness to us?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 04:43 PM
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When men find a space where they can talk, it gets labeled “the manosphere” and you get labeled a misogynist just for showing up to the conversation. If men aren’t coming to you to share their problems, it’s because they have a pretty good idea of what your response is going to be already: not fucking helpful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 04:35 PM
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“Why can’t she do a holocaust? Hitler got to do a holocaust! But now all of a sudden holocausts are bad just because she’s a woman!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 04:27 PM
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Literally that though. It’s not even subtle; By just referring to it as a “narrative” you’re straight up admitting the purpose of sharing your experience is only to validate the political story you’re spinning.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/22 03:16 AM
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I mean, you don’t really owe your client anything, but if they have been a great client and kept you busy for 13 years straight, then they sounds like a great relationship to keep around in the future, and so I would be hesitant about burning them. So you are self employed freelancer right? You keep calling them your “client” and not your employer, and so you are looking to work “in-house” as an employee for another design firm, yes? There is something I’m confused about: if you are burned out, …
/r/MenSupportMen18/08/22 06:11 PM
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What is her connection to feminism?
/r/AntiFeminists05/08/22 07:30 AM
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“Might”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/22 01:28 AM
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Skimmed the lyrics. It’s Apex fallacy: the song. It’s a grass is greener on the other side fantasy, she just assumes that as a man she would have all of these qualities that very few men actually have. This song feels like a smoke screen to obfuscate fact that she was born rich, never had to struggle for anything and possibly owes the launching of her career to her dad’s seed money by acting like she is somehow an underdog just by being a woman. This song should called “my dad” because it sounds…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/22 06:08 PM
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I think they are confused as to what conversations are. Conversations have a back and forth, they don’t just end with everyone bowing down to the first statement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/22 03:42 PM
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Congratulations, you just invented occupying territory.
/r/AntiFeminists30/07/22 03:58 PM
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Because sometimes it really does take one to know one, and if you don’t have first hand experience of being a man, you might need an unfortunate event to become aware of how we are vulnerable. We (men) have first hand experience male socialization, of course we are more readily compassionate of the male experience, that’s inevitable. If you have been homeless, you’ll almost certainly be more readily compassionate of the homeless. If you have a mental illness, you’ll probably be more readily comp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 04:50 PM
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I like this idea a lot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 04:43 AM
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Give her a break, she probably did know, at least she is raising awareness about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/07/22 12:59 AM
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That’s like saying attacking back is wrong if your attacker is unarmed and you defend yourself with pepper spray because a weapon is an unfair advantage. It doesn’t matter, the attacker shouldn’t have attacked to begin with.
/r/AntiFeminists28/07/22 03:47 PM
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You could be right, a feminist admitting they have been brainwashed into anti-male prejudice by feminism is pretty unheard of.
/r/AntiFeminists27/07/22 04:15 PM
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This article is actually a perfect response to when feminists say real feminism isn’t Anti men. Oh really? Well here is a feminist who just admitted it has brainwashed her into assuming the worst of men, if that’s not anti-male conditioning, nothing is. But go on, tell us all about how she is a tradcon in disguise.
/r/AntiFeminists27/07/22 04:12 PM
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Obviously, but also, isn’t literally every other article on the internet?
/r/AntiFeminists27/07/22 04:04 PM
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That’s kind of my point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/22 02:31 AM
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Yes, an argument CAN BE MADE, whether it will hold water or not is a different story.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 08:36 PM
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I hate to break this to you, but the saying has very little to do with it. Violence against men is excused regardless of if someone says “boys will be boys” or not. It’s not the saying that excuses it, it’s the fact that they never had empathy for men to begin with that excuses it. Making people stop saying “boys will be boys” is not going to close the empathy gap.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 08:05 PM
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Before we move on to “should,” let’s start with Can we make them normal, and if so how? Because I’m pretty sure we would need to start by solving generalized androphobia. Yes there is a push for things like normalizing nipples and public breast feeding, but women have that whole “Breasts aren’t obscene, they nurture life” narrative to work with whereas penises don’t have any sort of “miracle of life” narrative. The woman are wonderful effect extends to woman’s bodies too, our culture does not re…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 05:56 PM
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There was an 2X post some time ago, where some woman was talking about how she was waiting at the subway, and a man past by and said “I like your Sandals, your toes look cute in them.” And the woman responds by yelling something like “Ew, go away you creepy foot fetishist.” The man responded by chewing her out and calling her a crazy bitch, etc etc. the woman presents herself as if she is just a pure victim of the whole thing, but at the end of the day, she caused that experience. By choosing to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 03:54 PM
1

I feel like you are barking up the wrong tree. They gave you the rhetorical run around in an argument, and now you are actually running around trying to disprove their irrelevant point. Look, a disturbingly large amount of the people who dismiss statutory rape actually are other men, it’s a serious problem that in my view deserves more relevance than proving women also do it too. Let’s think this through here, so let’s suppose you get your data, and the numbers are men say it 60% of the time, wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/07/22 12:40 AM
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I think we already knew they are lying about us and are willing to continue lying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/22 10:28 PM
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Can I ask you something? Why is it important if women are saying it? Like I’m not saying no woman has ever said it, I’m sure some have, I’m just confused as to what point this detail is necessary for making. Whether it’s men or women who dismiss men and boys being raped, it’s still a huge problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/22 10:23 PM
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Well for one thing, the song is based on the incorrect premise that “boys will be boys” is used to dismiss street harassment and sexual assault, when in reality “boys will be boys” is pretty much just used to explain things like why that group of boys just dug a really big hole for seemingly no reason. Nobody looks at sexual assault, shrugs, and says “boys will be boys.” It’s simply not a thing. “Boys will be boys” means let the boys enjoy what they naturally enjoy, but nobody would ever use tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/22 10:19 PM
3

Because feminism is a political ideology that contains a common set of beliefs whereas being a man is no one’s choice and has nothing to do with what you believe.
/r/AntiFeminists23/07/22 03:35 PM
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What is this bizarre logic that being mean creates a force field around women? if you worried that a random man is unstable and capable of violently lashing out, you are more likely to trigger that response by being mean than by being nice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/07/22 03:24 PM
5

I don’t think we needed this to prove that women are more afraid of men than men, it’s kind of obvious.
/r/AntiFeminists21/07/22 06:43 PM
8

Considering the resistance men’s issues face is mostly ideological resistance, it has everything to do with men’s issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 05:58 PM
27

I think they value the money they can make from men’s sexuality, there is no evidence that they just want to cater to men’s sexuality just for shits and giggles.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 04:56 PM
2

Men have objectively less social power than woman.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 04:59 PM
1

They are the worst choice of people to define masculinity.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 04:49 PM
4

Bingo. Once you get older, ruling out single moms means ruling out a massive portion of your [presumably] already small dating pool.
/r/AntiFeminists07/07/22 04:03 PM
2

Then no one would give a shit if the situation was reversed. Next.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/22 04:28 PM
1

Is it actual sex work or is he just a man servant?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/22 04:13 PM
0

It’s not. This sub is just demonstrating how the enemy of your enemy is often still not your friend.
/r/AntiFeminists29/06/22 04:52 PM
1

No judgement, just an eyebrow raise on account of the “Uhmmm, what?” Factor.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 03:14 AM
1

Even if the wife were a trans woman, calling her a “male wife” is definitely not woke.
/r/AntiFeminists28/06/22 02:45 AM
3

Did you just say “female wife”?
/r/AntiFeminists25/06/22 04:18 PM
1

No, it’s the being caught lying part that indicates she is lying.
/r/AntiFeminists24/06/22 04:42 PM
2

“We don’t have total control over other people’s opinions and I don’t like it!”
/r/AntiFeminists24/06/22 04:40 PM
3

Don’t try to reason with psycho.
/r/AntiFeminists24/06/22 04:35 PM
1

That’s such a fucking stupid stereotype. Bottom line is we are just not compelled to cry over the vast majority of sad things, and forcing tears doesn’t actually make us feel better.
/r/AntiFeminists24/06/22 04:25 PM
1

There are a lot of things we “should” be able to do but don’t because reality is more complex than idealism.
/r/AntiFeminists17/06/22 03:46 AM
1

No one is is advocating for “bottling everything up”, they are advocating for emotional control, these are not the same thing.
/r/AntiFeminists17/06/22 01:40 AM
3

Zeus shrugs and shapeshifts into a bull.
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/22 11:53 PM
1

You missed a spot
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/22 11:29 PM
1

Yes let’s blame the working class for their unethical work conditions.
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/22 11:15 PM
1

To a certain degree. Emotional expression is not a pure untouchable moral good, sometimes emotional expression is verbal and emotional abuse, just because a person expresses themselves doesn’t mean they are doing it in a healthy way. Sometimes emotional expression is just dumping your stress on other people so you can feel a little better while they feel a little worse. It is terrible advice to tell people that expressing yourself without mindfulness and compassion is always a good thing. Emotio…
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/22 11:09 PM
1

Dude it’s r/forthreichwomen They are FDS’s spiritual successor, what did you expect?
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/22 10:21 PM
6

Zeus has entered the chat
/r/AntiFeminists16/06/22 10:13 PM
7

Do you think lipstick ally is a feminist sub? Because lipstick ally was FDS before FDS was FDS, it’s where the slur “pick me” started being used. It’s literally a Hypergamy discussion forum, there is no question as to why they would idealize the traditional providing manly man. Any condemnation of toxic masculinity they have is to just shit on men they see as low value, that doesn’t mean they are interested in feminist men. These are not feminists, they are mostly poor women looking for a financ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/22 04:05 PM
2

Same.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/06/22 05:54 PM
1

r/lostredditors
/r/AntiFeminists11/06/22 04:02 PM
9

“Seriously? Coming to a feminist discussion with common sense and good faith?? Nooooope”
/r/AntiFeminists11/06/22 03:50 PM
9

Less fun when you have to explain them.
/r/AntiFeminists10/06/22 05:02 PM
1

Stop lying Beta, everyone knows the Patriarchy is funding your podcast.
/r/EverydayMisandry10/06/22 04:04 PM
9

They are stone cold sober, they are just wearing a leash.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/22 05:03 PM
2

Girls-supporting-girls is just a cutesie way of saying “we should have complete control over what all women think and do, and then all women must support that agenda like a tightly ranked phalanx.”
/r/AntiFeminists08/06/22 04:41 PM
3

For the same reason communists thinking dismantling capitalism will magically make all of our economic problems go away (and won’t create thousands of new ones). They are idiots with no actually good ideas, and it will always be easier to destroy than create.
/r/AntiFeminists08/06/22 04:36 PM
1

Like I said, leftist.
/r/AntiFeminists07/06/22 06:47 PM
3

Because their argument unravels if they acknowledge that a massive portion of woman’s electorate votes republican.
/r/AntiFeminists06/06/22 07:25 PM
7

How have you not figured out yet that feminists do not require evidence as a prerequisite to make outlandish arguments? “Last time I checked…” = “the last thing I pulled out of my ass was…”
/r/AntiFeminists06/06/22 07:19 PM
3

The dumbest part of that argument is it’s not even true that women have no power. If you can point a finger and accuse a man, and he is arrested, social life destroyed, jailed, and with no evidence required; you have an immense amount of power.
/r/AntiFeminists06/06/22 07:14 PM
3

Sorry about that. I appreciate your support and I bet most men on r/mensrights do as well, but that sub is a very big bucket, and that bucket contains a handful of ignorant and confused people who say foolish things that hurt the cause. Please know that they don’t speak for us. We actually appreciate you.
/r/AntiFeminists06/06/22 07:11 PM
15

Seriously, if there is a 50/50 chance you will be an abusive or unloving parent because you are a bigot. Then just don’t.
/r/AntiFeminists06/06/22 07:00 PM
0

You both look like idiots.
/r/AntiFeminists06/06/22 06:59 PM
2

Gotcha, sorry, the run on sentence threw me off, it looked like you were saying that’s the conservative take.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/22 06:53 PM
1

My own personal belief is instead of equality of opportunity which conservatives don’t really guarantee is a social safety net so if there is systemic unfairness that you at least don’t die on the street. It looks like you set up a point that you ended up not making. What exactly is your alternative belief?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/22 06:50 PM
3

Is the assumption here that all men are right-wing? It’s weird that I have to point out her husband is probably leftist.
/r/AntiFeminists04/06/22 09:26 PM
1

“Stop saying ‘friend-zoned’, the friend-zone doesn’t even exist and only right wingers and libertarians end up there.”
/r/AntiFeminists04/06/22 09:24 PM
6

In order to make the point that she is making, she needs to create the illusion that all women are leftists, thus right wing woman are not an option because they don’t exist. Feminist trick #186: When speaking of women always act as if you speak for a unanimous hivemind, especially when you know for a fact you don’t.
/r/AntiFeminists04/06/22 08:40 PM
3

You are 100% right about that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 12:14 AM
3

There is nothing more scary to a feminist then men organized and empowered.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 04:21 PM
2

Because there is an army of feminists who don’t give a fuck about the truth and will back her claims no matter what, that’s why what gives her confidence.
/r/AntiFeminists31/05/22 06:41 PM
14

Yes, you tell that non-existent man who sounds suspiciously like every woman on FDS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/05/22 06:35 PM
5

Are you familiar with the story of the emperor with no clothes? When the liars have power, obvious lies become the new common sense.
/r/AntiFeminists31/05/22 06:06 PM
4

Dude, you could have just said “yeah.”
/r/AntiFeminists31/05/22 06:01 PM
1

One person’s utopian dream is another’s dystopian nightmare.
/r/AntiFeminists30/05/22 06:23 PM
1

“You are going to end up like the buffalo shooter because we alienate and bully you. If only we could do something about that.”
/r/AntiFeminists30/05/22 06:20 PM
2

No no no, we actually want to shoot the Duluth model dead.
/r/AntiFeminists30/05/22 06:13 PM
7

Again, we know, there have been a handful of threads about this very topic. I don’t think a flawless back up plan in the event of banning was presented, but ideas have been floated. Either way, I don’t think shutting up is a very good solution either. What we can do is just do our best keep our noses clean, keep our discussions civil and egalitarian, report abuse and violations to the mods, don’t brigade, and don’t give our detractors any opportunities to strawman us based on a post that should …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/22 03:30 AM
9

Lol, we know. What’s your point?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/22 03:07 AM
19

Alluring as it may be, this is an anti-justice “ends justifies the means” mindset. They are essentially saying it is acceptable that we burned down the lives of countless innocent men just so every accuser gets their revenge. They don’t want justice, they want blood. It’s the “kill them all and let god sort them out” mentality, and that is not the world we signed up to live in.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/22 04:49 PM
3

They can’t call you a slut, so they’ll call you something slut adjacent.
/r/AntiFeminists26/05/22 04:35 PM
42

Always with the false dichotomies. Giving a shred of of male advocacy does not require them to “drop everything they are doing” with women’s advocacy. They wouldn’t look at any other kind if advocacy with this kind of zero sum thinking. Many of them are vegans, does veganism require them to “drop everything” they are doing? Many of them supported George Floyd and BLM, did that require them to drop everything they are doing? Only with male advocacy do we see this false dichotomy nonsense where th…
/r/MensRights23/05/22 05:25 PM
1

Uhhhh, I’m trying to find a citation for the what you are saying here and coming up empty. Where did you see Kimberly Crenshaw denouncing intersectionality?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/22 05:42 PM
9

I don’t see what the big deal is here, Christians have a right to only seek out Christians, and feminists have a right to only seek out feminists. Personally, I wouldn’t want to date either a Christian or Feminist anyway, so if they warm me ahead of time, I’m probably going just to appreciate the heads up so I know not to bother. Also, don’t feminists often roll their eyes at feminist men? They shit on them all the time in passing comment, and there are so often fictional feminist men in movies …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/22 04:16 PM
7

Wow it’s almost as if they aren’t interested in physics in the first place or something.
/r/MensRights18/05/22 05:13 PM
3

Have you heard the squeaky wheel gets the grease? Well the situation is like that except: the mom who puts an emotional gun to her family’s head will get the presents. Father’s Day isn’t taken as seriously because you aren’t manipulating your family with guilt and fear into celebrating it.
/r/MensRights18/05/22 04:19 PM
27

They only care about men opening up in so far as they can pathologize you for not opening up enough. Once a man actually opens up they couldn’t care less about what he has to say. The point was never to care, just to pathologize men. It’s like conservatives and abortion, they act like they care so much about unborn babies, but once that baby is born they couldn’t care less about it. The point of their position was to create propaganda that manipulates Christians into voting for republicans, not …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/05/22 03:37 PM
2

I’m confused, in what way is libido differences systemic?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 04:16 PM
133

Men can propagate misandry and other anti-male attitudes in a number of ways. *Any time a man attacks another man for not meeting some sort of masculine ideal: height, penis size, muscular build, libido, number of sexual partners, etc. *Any time a man attacks another man for meeting the above criteria. *When discussing men’s issues, framing the situation as “men are the problem” instead of zooming in to the cause of the problems that men face and why they happen. Menslib does this quite a bit. *…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 03:27 PM
6

Every time I see someone claim men and women have equal libidos and gender doesn’t effect, it looks like this comment: lots of confidence, zero evidence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/05/22 03:05 PM
3

The very same feminists who would treat that trans man like a predator if he took his kid to a playground because he passes.
/r/AntiFeminists15/05/22 03:41 PM
4

“Pick me” deserves its own thread and discussion. They are literally insulting you for having empathy for men, as if it’s slutty to have a good moral compass.
/r/AntiFeminists15/05/22 03:38 PM
4

I noticed that, do you know the backstory of how that got reversed?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/22 02:11 AM
36

I feel like antisemitism is the most appropriate comparison to misandry, because in both cases, it is assumed they are the ones with the power. Antisemites believe Jews are in control of the status quo, and so individual Jews deserve the hate because they are all collectively the dark overlords who cause the world problems. Misandry more often than not is backed by the same reasoning and justification.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/05/22 05:36 PM
65

I’m not frustrated by Conservatives speaking out for men’s issues, I’m frustrated by Liberals who are explicitly against male advocacy while still trying to tell me I owe them a vote.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/05/22 04:53 PM
27

Episode one of Ted Lasso. Ted Lasso’s first day in England, he is watching a young man and woman play soccer; man has the ball, woman trying to get the ball, so she kicks him in the groin and takes the ball while he keels over in pain. Ted: “Welp, sometimes you gotta stick it to the man.” Me watching at home: “The fuck are you talking about Ted? She violently assaulted her friend’s genitals WHILE PLAYING A GAME.” That scene told me everything I needed to know about Ted Lasso.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/05/22 09:14 PM
11

Feminists embracing the use of “Pick me”, an insult that originated with Hypergamy forums like Lispstick alley and the infamous r/femaledatingstrategy, used on women to accuse them of being too easy and accommodating of men because they like male attention which is bad for some reason (in other words, they are calling you a slut) is one of the most cringey labels feminists have ever tried to adopt. They act like the reason they are calling you a pick me is because you throw other women under the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 04:25 PM
12

I have noticed this pattern as well, and it’s a disappointing one. It’s rather poignant too, years ago I dated a woman 11 years older than me, and she ended the relationship because she said “it felt too motherly.” Now to be clear, I’m moved on and at peace with that outcome, but I go back and think about it now and again because that experience made this mindset stick out to me. I am now in a LTR with a woman about 9 years younger than me, it’s easily the best relationship I have been in, and a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/05/22 04:08 PM
5

I have no idea, I’m only speculating here, but considering how so many feminists right now are interpreting men celebrating Johnny Depp getting a chance to tell his side of the story as a victory for men’s issues justice, as if they are just bloodthirsty misogynists who only want to dismiss all cases of women abuse victims, I wouldn’t be surprised if they are taking a gynocentric perspective’s on this as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 11:43 PM
6

I bet Nina Jankowicz and her ilk doesn’t hate it at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 04:08 PM
6

A victory against the narrative that “believe women” outright is the correct standard operating procedure.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 04:04 PM
29

Because Menslib is primarily for the feminist gaze, and I think the mods thought celebrating a women being sentenced for coercing a man into reproduction might upset their “board of directors.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 03:27 PM
6

You got downvoted for that one but if we’re being real, we lefties obviously don’t care much for him either lol.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/05/22 03:39 PM
5

I agree with your take that it is not a gendered tactic, but I hate the name; it’s a victim mentality hyperbole. It is manipulative to be sure, but calling it a “weapon” just makes it sound like you are projecting hostility onto a person when it isn’t there. It’s more like “Selective disability.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 09:47 PM
1

I’m not? Hmmm. So either I’m talking to you and disagreeing or I’m not talking to you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 07:48 PM
3

A BFF to all abusive women I imagine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 05:37 PM
1

Looks like you can’t tell when a person is disagreeing with you or not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 04:59 PM
5

You could argue that FDS is just as bad for women. At the end of the day they want to control women’s sexuality like a cartel controlling an in demand commodity. “Pickmeisha” is just a rebranding of “slut.”
/r/AntiFeminists04/05/22 04:39 PM
7

Patriarchy at its worst for women is still a vacation compared to slavery at its best. Go home Karen, you’re drunk.
/r/AntiFeminists04/05/22 04:36 PM
1

This is like saying if women celebrated a win in abortion rights, then it’s because they really like murdering babies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 03:56 PM
5

This is like saying if women celebrated a win in abortion rights, then it’s because they really like murdering babies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 03:56 PM
4

I actually straight up don’t give a shit if their concerns are legitimate or not. Innocent men deserve justice, period. Whether other people will use this ruling to dismiss female victims in the future or not is irrelevant to the fact that male victims deserve justice.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/05/22 03:54 PM
55

And that’s the trials and tribulations of family politics. No, you can’t just block her, but that doesn’t change the fact that she has rendered herself unreachable at the moment. Hopefully this won’t last forever, but all you can do is be persistent and consistent in your stance. Hopefully she will listen better in time, but that time is not now, not if she is a proud man hater. There is no magic bullet to this, she is too far gone at the moment, I’m not saying block her from you life, I’m sayin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 10:28 PM
127

So my question is, how do I get through to her? She is not open to any sort of detailed explanation of why she's wrong - as soon as we get to talking about deep societal reasons for the ways men and women act, she's already stopped listening. I’m sorry my friend, but you just answered your own question. You cannot reason with a person who refuses to live in reality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 10:22 PM
1

This very same strategy is one of the reasons we can become glued to scrolling through r/mensrights. Because to witness a lack of rights, or a loss of freedom, or a loss of place in society is a source of our anxiety for us, and so we scroll and scroll through stories and articles about it because to learn more about it makes us feel like we are better defending ourselves from the injustice, and improving our position to fight back. So there is a feedback loop, consuming information that outrage…
/r/MensRights30/04/22 07:01 PM
6

Because they are more afraid of this kind of thing, and when you are afraid of something, sometimes you will cope with that by consuming lots of information about it so you will feel prepared for it if it happens to you. This is an evolutionary strategy that is related to doom scrolling.
/r/MensRights30/04/22 05:07 PM
16

The most effective strategy I have found is to just fill your time doing other things that you enjoy. The best way to fight an addiction is to replace it with a healthier addiction, and one of the reasons we fill our time with porn is because we have down time to fill in the first place. But also, there is nothing to feel guilty about, you aren’t doing anything wrong by looking at porn. Maybe it is guilt that you failed yourself, I get that, but it is normal for you to have a sex drive, which is…
/r/MenSupportMen30/04/22 05:04 PM
1

Well… Yeah kind of.
/r/MensRights30/04/22 04:38 PM
30

You’re not going insane, we’re just being gaslit en masse.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 03:14 AM
17

Then it’s up to us to never stop calling it what it is.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 10:01 PM
4

That’s not new, FDS was already calling itself feminist.
/r/AntiFeminists29/04/22 06:45 PM
5

Losing a Defamation results in paying damages, not going to jail.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 05:10 PM
5

You don’t need to cast a domestic abuser to convince me not to see a fucking aquaman movie.
/r/MensRights29/04/22 05:01 PM
9

Yes, that does seem to be the case. All the more reason to come up with a back up plan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/22 05:37 PM
14

Even though I am mindful of this, I still find it very hard to shake off the depression and guilt of not being productive.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 06:24 PM
4

Is that right? I thought since each sever is more private it would mean the admins would be more hands off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/04/22 03:22 AM
9

Honestly, I’m trying to reduce the amount of social media I take in, not increase it, so I got nothing. I do use Discord as well. Not a perfect solution, but it probably won’t be pulled.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/04/22 05:21 PM
11

They aren’t doing it to make the world a better place, they do it to make people want to give them money.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:50 PM
8

Man who identifies as a man and is also exclusively attracted to other men.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:36 PM
7

I am a strong proponent of the accurate use of words. I often find androphobia describes some anti-male sentiments more accurately than misandry. But this, this is not phobia, it’s straight up hatred. I really don’t think we should mince words when actual hatred is clearly the culprit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:34 PM
10

Yes, we are “promoting” hate by calling attention to their hate while also saying the word “Jews” a lot.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 03:32 AM
14

Is that a valid reason to ban a sub?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 12:16 AM
3

Yes, we clearly have.
/r/MensRights24/04/22 12:15 AM
3

The wording still isn’t right. Of course society “allows” us to show emotions, no one is going to try and stop you from doing it, the question that matters is: “do they give a shit?”
/r/MensRights23/04/22 09:08 PM
89

Let me guess, they claimed the purpose of the analogies to antisemitism was to actually spread antisemitism?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/22 08:50 PM
3

What are we, a fucking PR firm? We don’t care if pro-life feminists don’t have a voice, that is not our problem. We don’t even agree with any of their positions, why would it be our responsibility to champion ideas that we stand against? We stand for Male Advocacy. We are not public defenders of all unpopular ideas. You want pro-feminists to have a voice, tell them to speak for their own damn selves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 04:21 PM
11

“So I know you guys aren’t very fond of feminists, and as leftists you’re definitely not into pro-lifers, but what if we combined these two identities into the same person? Eh? Does that sound like a party or what?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 03:50 AM
15

Wait… what? Like okay sure, so pro life feminism is gaining traction, what does that have to us and why would we want to ally with them?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/22 03:30 AM
9

Uhhhh my eyes are up here ladies.
/r/MensRights22/04/22 03:27 AM
4

Case and point: the way people will lash out and call you “NiceGuyTM” you are ever heard saying something to the effect of “I try to see where people are coming and treat others how I would want to be treated.” As if it’s an objective fact that a real good person would never talk about how they act out loud. It’s like we’re playing werewolf all the time, and if you describe yourself too positively the paranoid villagers will yell “That’s exactly what a werewolf would say!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/22 07:17 PM
2

Male dominated is such a bullshit loaded phrasing. Even when true that men outnumber women in a given field, that doesn’t mean the field is under the control of the collective male sex.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/22 04:44 PM
3

This is complete trash, it’s not even worth going line by line and dismantling. “Go make money” is his advice. ROFL. Just like that? It’s that simple? Wow, wait till the guys hear all they had to just was just “go make money.”
/r/MensRights21/04/22 03:52 PM
17

They never question why these double standards exist though. The fact is, women view men with sexual experience as more viable partners then men with less sexual experience. As long as women’s sexuality is seen as a currency that is rewarded to “good” men, then men who have sex a lot will continue to be seen as men with many awards that prove he is a “good” man. A man might high five another man who easily gets women, but women will see that as evidence of his worth and romantic viability. Now f…
/r/MensRights20/04/22 05:08 PM
6

Right, there are people out there who live in constant paranoid fear that the government is following them. Does that fear mean government agents actually are following them? No. This girl is scared of male sexuality because she has been pelted with fear mongering propaganda her whole live and has internalized it as reality. This is no different than the fear mongering of segregationists who arguing crime would surge if the races co-mingled. Just because you are afraid doesn’t mean you are a vic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/22 02:39 PM
45

At what point is a woman just a fucking coward for feeling threatened by men being attracted to women?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 10:28 PM
4

No one would give a shit and it would accomplish nothing.
/r/MensRights19/04/22 04:06 PM
10

I’m glad to hear that. Just so you know, you don’t need to add the “but I don’t hate women” part when speaking to us. Out of all people, we’re not the ones who are going to accuse you of hating women for associating with us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 05:18 PM
6

I really hope you had a chance to open up to your girl about the awful things she said to you and how it made you feel. She really needs to wrap her head around how terrible that was, don’t let her off the hook just because she is being sweet now. I’m not going to say you need to break up with her, sometimes otherwise good people have toxic habits that they picked up from their parents or someone else. It doesn’t make a person evil, but it does have to be called out because it’s abusive. The way…
/r/MenSupportMen15/04/22 03:49 PM
2

The Bible was written 2,000 years ago, cherry-picking is literally the only ethical way to apply it to the modern era.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/22 04:12 PM
11

If feminists feel they can afford to shit on their own allies, then they obviously have enough support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 02:28 PM
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Only your first example contains defensive behavior, the second example is too vague a description for me to even imagine what you are talking about but treating a person as a source of entertainment is not defensive. Ridiculing your awkwardness and asking for nudes to make up for it sounds like a joke, a bit crude of a joke and probably a turn off, but not at all defensive. So I’m going to focus on your first example because that seems to be the only one that’s relevant to the topic. If he does…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 04:03 PM
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I think sometimes it’s an accurate description and sometimes it doesn’t really match up. If you are trying to use it as a blanket for describing all outdated or harmful beliefs about masculinity, it’s going to be hit and miss, because self-loathing is often not the root cause of such things. It not a useless phrase, I just think it should be used sparingly, and not as a catch-all phrase in the same way that internalized misogyny is used. Androphobia is a word I think we should also use more ofte…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/22 03:50 PM
1

Just your typical “let’s blame everything on men” mentality. At the core of this kind of complaint is a refusal to acknowledge that women also perpetuate culture, and a refusal to see that they are actively reinforcing this kind of thinking. There is also an element of trying to control the situation to give themselves an advantage. It would be great for them if men were willing to drop money on them while expecting nothing in return. Men have no incentive to do this, and most of us probably see…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 05:41 PM
5

There has never never been a campaign for women’s right to sign up for selective service either. In both cases it’s probably because they don’t really want it. But in the case of initiating we aren’t really talking about rights, we are talking about reluctance. They aren’t avoiding initiating because they have no right to, they have the right, they just don’t want to exercise it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 05:00 PM
3

The ones that want to initiate will, the ones that don’t want to won’t, it will never be unanimous. It has to do with not wanting to risk rejection, and being able to get away with never taking that risk because men will initiate anyway. For some women though, they are not confident the men will notice them and initiate, so they have needed to adapt a more proactive approach and risk rejection in order to get want they want.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 04:50 PM
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I can’t help but feel like the bigger problem is how we have normalized a Draconian mentality where if a guy missteps and crosses a line, he “sexually assaulted” her and deserves to be punished for it. Why can’t we just set boundaries without getting the police involved? If you and a person are cuddling, you should already be way past wanting to throw that person in jail if they presume too much, and moved into just saying “Uhhh, can we not do that?” That’s how I’ve experienced it on dates, they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 04:40 PM
3

And it’s still a false equivalency. “One of these days Alice…” is in response to Alice incessantly talking shit. It isn’t against all women, it isn’t unprovoked, it’s against one women because she is giving him shit. That’s not at all equal to “Kill all men.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 06:14 PM
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Exactly, try talking about men’s issues without outing yourself as trans if you really want to see just how much privilege you’ve lost.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 05:52 PM
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I can’t help but roll my eyes at all this “Cismen can’t see it, but I can because I was socialized as a woman” Talk. He says that like their isn’t a massive portion of cismen who have their reputation dragged through the mud for bringing this kind of stuff up. Also this idea that the reason women are often cold and aloof with men is strictly because they are afraid of being assaulted is complete nonsense. Sometimes they just think you are beneath them, and the idea of you thinking you might have…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 04:08 PM
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Yeah I kind of cringed at that too. It’s so naive to think this all just started by white People during the colonial era.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/22 03:10 PM
1

That so awesome, good for you! I’d love to hear updates on how the experience goes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/22 02:12 AM
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I don’t know either honestly. I don’t think society itself pressured , or expected Smith to react this way. I feel like it has to do with smith seeing Jada’s reaction, feeling guilty for laughing, and the feeling the need to perform this gesture to make up to her. The only things that makes this distinctly masculine is the fact that he is allowed to assault another man, and Smith is allowed to play this off as a masculine gesture of protection. So I don’t think he needed to hit Rock in order to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 06:06 PM
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To us it means that yes, because we are trying to be as fair as possible. Many people don’t have that same motivation, that’s why the names we call things matter.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 04:25 PM
4

I think it’s participation that matters most. As long as it’s only a tiny minority of men who are willing to stand for men’s advocacy, you can kiss any hope of public image or finding goodbye. In order to have a good public image, we need to have a robust united front of men who are willing to put their reputations on the line and act combat the negative press and create positive press. I don’t think we can really have any of that if most men are ambivalent or hostile to the movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 03:27 PM
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I know, I just told you the real meaning behind it. It’s better to point the finger at the actual problem, which is ideas and expectations, not masculinity itself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 03:22 PM
1

She still has a point, you’re generalizing women “who like to claim to be advocating for left wing values” which is pretty much all leftist women, unless you are saying the real leftist women don’t talk about their values.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 03:20 PM
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Toxic ideas/expectations about masculinity*
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 03:10 PM
61

Feminists haven’t told them yet.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/22 03:08 PM
6

It’s on brand actually. Feminists have been researched to prefer benevolent sexists men. Thinking women are weak and need a man’s protection/sacrifice, thus a man should have the duty to protect her is benevolent sexism. https://www.psypost.org/2018/07/study-finds-women-including-feminists-attracted-benevolently-sexist-men-51693?amp=1
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 03:22 PM
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She’s not the one paying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/03/22 03:11 PM
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Citation needed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 10:41 PM
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That makes intuitive sense, but it’s definitely not the virgins who are doing the raping out in the world, so I don’t think I buy that what you are saying is literally what’s happening, and it kiiiiiind of sounds like we’re are back to fear mongering incels as potential threats again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 03:38 PM
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This pressure makes diamonds out of men and has helped create the societies and advances in technology we have today. It is ALL competition, but most dont even realize it. While also leaving many behind who don’t deserve to be left behind. The 20th century philosophy was social Darwinism “who care about the ones who can’t, they aren’t fit to live in our civilization, let them die off.” I’d rather depart from this kind of cold thinking. One of this subs primary purpose is to critically examine th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/03/22 03:25 PM
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There is definitely something to what you are saying. There is a lot of condemnation of masculine association with strength as “toxic masculinity”, but clearly still the idealization of brute stength. Just look at the fetishization of the so-called himbo. He is exactly like a traditional strong man in every way except he is as dumb as a brick, thus ripe for control. The perfect soldier, much like Forest Gump! Then look at female super hero’s, what is Captain Marvel if not just a douchey version …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 05:07 PM
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Their only go to move is blame men. When they say “men need to express more” they aren’t literally saying you should go try doing it so they can listen to you, they are just blaming your problems on you. Their proposed solutions are just more blaming. Even if you take their advice and express yourself, guess what, they will just find another reason to blame you again, because that’s as far as they have planned. You guys need to resist the urge to be confused about feminists, because their behavi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 04:43 PM
3

Perhaps there is hope for your imagination as well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 03:07 PM
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Mediocre as in common; nothing special, not interesting, nothing noteworthy that stands out from the other pop feminists whose prepackaged worldview came off the same factory assembly line. I’m saying taking shots at white men and acting like you just said something insightful is basic bitchery.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 03:02 PM
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I’LL SUE!!!- jk. Please. Steal away.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/03/22 01:10 AM
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Parroting tired and bigoted catch phrases like that is pretty fucking mediocre, so she’s certainly got the character down. People like that want to be truth seekers only to the extent that that’s what you think they are. It doesn’t matter that she doesn’t practice what she preaches as long as you think she does. A lot of people want to perform concern for men, but don’t actually give a shit enough to think critically about how they can change the way the think of men to help the situation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 11:51 PM
6

“Teacher, when will we get to dissect one?”
/r/AntiFeminists18/03/22 08:02 PM
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It’s not strange it’s strategy. A Femaledatingstrategy to be exact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/22 09:47 PM
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Double standards on twox, sure. But at the end of the day, her comments don’t impact the reality that a lot of men, especially younger ones, are going to avoid women who already have kids, and that’s just not something you can shame away no matter what they say on twox. They are just screaming into the wind, they get no say on who we select what so ever.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/03/22 07:42 PM
11

Honestly I don’t even know what “western culture war” even means.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/22 08:05 PM
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Sounds like bias is a bit of an understatement if they have full and exclusive control over what these articles are saying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/03/22 08:33 PM
8

I think you nailed the “why” on the head in your subject line. It’s about control.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 06:32 PM
4

But it won’t be, and you know that. You should know that by now anyway. Feminist’s bottom line (and the mainstream culture follows) is to protect women from bad lip service of any kind, no matter how true or valid.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/22 02:42 PM
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I’d be willing to bet he won’t be doing that.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/03/22 06:46 PM
1

The problem with the way you are thinking is that you have assumed she is an intellectually honest person who will respond reasonably to contrary evidence. She almost certainly won’t. Man-haters are not honest people, they don’t give a fuck about your facts and well reason arguments, even if you were a 5 star debater, she would just declare you are part of the problem and start hating you too. She is in the grip of a hateful ideology, you can no longer just assume she will be reasonable, because…
/r/AntiFeminists10/03/22 05:46 PM
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I’m not too informed on this guy, but if what you are saying is accurate, then I agree, it seems South Korean men are being duped into voting against their interests. One of the biggest mistakes we can make is the assumption that anti-feminist = men’s advocate. Far right conservatives, religious fundamentalist traditionalists, neither of these groups are men’s advocates, but most of them are anti-feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 04:15 PM
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I really think you need to let her go. Her saying she was only using you, whether literally true or not, was the last nail in the coffin of that relationship. Just because she made you feel like it’s your fault doesn’t mean it was, and from what you describe she doesn’t hit me as a person who cares about your needs, or actually loves you very much. I get that that two years is a pretty long time to be so close someone, and the idea of being without that with no other relationship in mind that yo…
/r/MenSupportMen10/03/22 02:47 AM
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I really hate that the fact that some men get no attention from women at all warps their perspective of harassment. This is why many women are able to make the “you should feel so lucky” argument and not feel like the gaslighting assholes that they are. When you have been sexually starved, even toxic attention feels better than no attention. When you are powerless and starving, someone throwing you a dead rat seems like a feast. This mentality gives traction to the gaslighting of abusive women. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 04:26 PM
1

Effective at doing what to whom?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 04:09 AM
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Even if it were true that feminists advocate for men’s issues, which it isn’t, because the driving ethos of feminism is still apex fallacy, Duluth model, “toxic masculinity and only toxic masculinity holds men back”, “There will be time for men’s issues after we smash the patriarchy”, and a whole host of other bits of pernicious “theory”, their “solutions” would either be not useful, or outright unwanted. Feminist men’s advocacy means men’s advocacy under feminist control. Fuck that. You don’t w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 03:27 AM
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Not allowing women to be human is a very interesting way to describe gynosupremacist thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 02:45 AM
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It’s unsafe for women to do what, get away with fleeing the scene after killing a man? I’m pretty that’s a good thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 02:32 AM
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Because their is a gun pointed at their social/professional standing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/03/22 07:49 PM
2

But then they will attract the kind of men feminists hate most of all: male feminists.
/r/AntiFeminists07/03/22 05:20 PM
5

If we are going to start throwing “shoulds” around, then by that very same “should” logic, your partner “should” have sex with you whenever you want it, otherwise looking at other naked people “should” be on the table. Monogamy is not an agreement to sexual starvation.
/r/AntiFeminists07/03/22 05:08 PM
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It’s not even true that people’s fear of sharks is “rational.” It’s really not. Anyone who knows a thing or two about sharks can tell you that shark attacks are rare, even if you are swimming in close proximity to one, it’s extremely unlikely they will attack. Even dogs are more dangerous than sharks. So in both examples, the fear is irrational.
/r/AntiFeminists07/03/22 04:41 PM
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Men and “boys” are supposed to keep women safe? Boys as in little male children? If an adult woman can’t protect herself how is a little boy supposed to fend off adult men on her behalf?
/r/AntiFeminists05/03/22 05:15 PM
1

Sounds like that guy knew her worth better than she did.
/r/AntiFeminists03/03/22 04:10 PM
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Right, it’s not at all about helping you understand their perspective, it’s about publicly dunking on you so they can look good to their peers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/22 08:34 PM
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I think there is a certain hedonistic quality to the act of self-righteously rebuking someone you see as “the enemy”. It feels good to tell yourself that you are a warrior of light, who bravely and valiantly faces off with the forces of darkness, banishing them from whence they came with your indignant fury. Pauline Harmange, writer of “I hate men”, her primary argument for why women should embrace misandry and speak loudly about how they hate men, is that it feels good to do so. Forget about th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/22 08:26 PM
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I don’t know how else to tell you that I reject the premise that PUAs coined the phrase. We talked about the friendzone when I was in high school, which was twenty years ago. There is just no way PUA introduced it as late as 2014. Here is a clip from the movie “Just friends” where they are discussing how to not get stuck in the friendzone: https://youtu.be/RyTdSKZ8GLo It’s from 2005. Here is a clip from Friends of Joey and Ross talking about getting stuck in the friendzone. It’s from 1994. https…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/22 06:09 PM
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“Primary” to who? An obscure group of PUAs? I think you are over-estimating relevance of PUA culture. The majority of men who use the phrase sincerely, and women who criticize it, are probably not even familiar with how PUAs use the phrase.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/22 05:07 PM
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I don’t really care how PUAs use the phrase, I’m talking about the the pop culture use of the phrase that has been circulating for at least 20 years. The common use of the phrase does not take into account the man’s attractiveness, or what process he used to court her, just simply that his relationship terminated at friendship when he wanted to go further. This is what the vast majority of people mean when they said “friend-zoned.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/03/22 03:56 PM
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At the end up the day, “friend-zoned” is just a turn of phrase for “unrequited love” or unrequited feelings. Nobody wants that, period. If anyone tries to tell you that women are okay with being rejected and told “can we be friends instead” tell them to gtfo because they are lying through their teeth. No one wants to end up in that situation. Being forced to hang out with the person you have feelings for, and watching them show interest in other guys, knowing she will never see you this way, is …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/22 11:43 PM
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And yet, if a woman tells a feminist they don’t want to be a feminist, there is a good chance they will say she is against her own liberation. Interesting how that works.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/22 09:35 PM
1

Yeah you tell that imaginary lazy dad!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/02/22 01:20 AM
1

This reminds me of the movie enemy at the gates where it shows the Russian military sending in men with no weapons and yelling “If you have no rifle and the soldier in front you dies, pick up his rifle and keep moving forward!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/02/22 09:22 PM
1

That all depends on whose history, in ancient Egypt cats were worshipped unconditionally. It was a crime to kill one, regardless of how much work they do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 05:52 PM
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Your friend learned a hard lesson that he needs to internalize: the corporate world is not your ally, they are pro-surveillance, and they will axe a man in a heartbeat to cover their own asses. They don’t care about what is true, they care about optics, and from their point of view, a crying woman is a bad look, so that’s all they are going to focus on. Next time you hear a coworker spout misandry, do not engage at all, go straight to reporting her just like that woman did to him. I don’t mean t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 05:41 PM
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Why don’t you just have a debate with him like friends usually do instead of trying to control how he thinks? It is grossly exaggerated how “dangerous” JP is. I hear him say a lot I don’t agree with, but he is far from being the great Satan the left tries to paint him as. I think the worst thing you can do is alienate him by acting like you’re an American evangelical Christian in the 80’s and he just got into D&D. Taking an interest in JP is not something to moral panic over. If you disagree wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 05:13 PM
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You got banned for having a truly unpopular opinion? I think that means you win.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/22 05:01 PM
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I’m just not sympathetic to this issue anymore, I literally don’t care what the statistics say. This is not a systematic or collective issue, it’s an individual one; if you feel like you need your spouse to do more housework, then have a conversation with them, leave me and other men out of it. Stop asking me to solve other couple’s personal problems.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 04:01 PM
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Is that seriously all you guys are fussing about? For fuck sake, saying “women are also concerned about men” is not even close to being the same as “women most effected.” It should not be this easy to talk you guys into being bitter about your own progress.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 03:54 PM
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Because that’s how you control them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/02/22 03:15 PM
2

Huh… I thought the world ran in Dunkin’.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 08:45 PM
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The thing is, just because a woman is “high profile” doesn’t mean the cultural status quo is going to give a shit about her opinions. She is more likely likely to get cancelled and lose her high profile status than actually change people’s minds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 08:42 PM
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Good man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 06:05 PM
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Dude. Stop. What you’re saying is neither accurate nor useful. Women =! Feminist. The international conference for men’s issues 2019 was organized by women. Karen Straughan, Diana Davidson, Honeybadger Brigade, Janice Fiamengo, Bettina Arndt, I’m not going to name them all, but there is quite enough to be noteworthy. So let’s cut the “Waaah, women only want to blame patriarchy” bullshit shall we?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 05:44 PM
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Sorry, I forgot to add the word some.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 05:26 PM
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Great summary of the difficulty of our situation. It’s almost as if change will take decades and we are going to have to be patient, consistent in our advocacy, and do our best to not lose hope even though we aren’t seeing the change we want to see today.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 05:20 PM
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Waits patiently for it to be safe for high profile celebrities to publicly admit they’re pro male advocacy. I think we’re gunna be here for awhile. Maybe we shouldn’t tell ourselves that we need things that we don’t really need? We don’t need an imaginary gatekeeper. Women already advocate for men, but before the high profile comes we need to put in the work that gets there attention in the first place. They will not save us, and we don’t need them to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 04:44 PM
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Diversity, acceptance, tolerance, inclusivity, racism, sexism, all of these civil rights and social Justice concepts suffer from meaning creep. Which is to say, over time the meaning of these words creep away, as their consistency devolves into divisive double-think, which becomes a double standard. Racism is the most classic example. There was a time when the definition of racism primarily had to do with sweeping generalizations, seeing a person’s skin color and assuming they represent a stereo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/22 04:31 PM
4

But can it tell the difference between ability to empathize and willingness to empathize? That’s how I see the difference anecdotally, at least for me anyway. I see myself as very much capable of empathy, but I often choose to withhold it because making yourself feel someone’s suffering can often be hard on your own mental state, it’s often not very useful in a situation whereas compassion is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/22 10:37 PM
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Feminist authority is based around the victim vs oppressor dichotomy and the idea that victims have a more authoritative worldview and moral compass. So yes I think you are right. Perpetual victimhood is the reactor that powers the whole movement.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/22 09:34 PM
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Instead of “then you win” it should really be: “And then they take credit by claiming they were the always the force behind the change all along.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/22 06:45 PM
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I don’t really know much about EQ, but I’m not really willing to just buy into it being the be all end all empirical measurement of empathy, for the same reasons I’m skeptical of IQ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/02/22 05:25 PM
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Agreed whole-heartedly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/22 02:57 PM
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It’s the result of many gender mores intersecting: A.) Men should not be helped, and a man who asks for help is selfish and undeserving of it. B.) A man must proactively seek a woman’s company, if you can’t muster up the courage to do that then you aren’t worthy their company. If you fail, you must make yourself more attractive and continue trying until you don’t fail. C.) When a woman selects you, her judgment is natural selection itself, and proof that you have value. Even if you are hitler an…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/02/22 04:14 PM
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I don’t think they need any convincing that the rich ones are the good ones.
/r/AntiFeminists17/02/22 06:04 PM
1

And also because he’s probably not allowed to do it too.
/r/AntiFeminists17/02/22 05:35 PM
1

I agree with the last sentence, these woman should definitely stay single.
/r/AntiFeminists17/02/22 05:20 PM
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Examples? Because I have no idea what you’re talking about.
/r/AntiFeminists17/02/22 05:12 PM
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Why does shit like this even get posted here? Why do we need to see this? It’s obvious trash and it serves no other purpose than to piss you off. Moving on.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/22 02:18 AM
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One of the worst posts I’ve seen on Menslib was a mom looking for advice on how to make her autistic son stop calling her out on her double-standards and hypocrisy. Basically this mom wouldn’t allow her little boy to root for male contestants while watching game shows (because she thinks he is just arbitrarily rooting for them because they share a gender), but doesn’t stop her daughters from rooting for women just because they are women, and her son called her out on the hypocrisy. Her question …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/02/22 04:42 AM
0

Obviously you can’t offer one or the other to both sexes because men can’t have kids. So why should there be equality in the work place during times of peace? If traditional gender roles makes sense during times of war, why not also times of peace?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:29 PM
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So women who don’t want kids should go to war then?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 11:03 PM
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I’m tired of being silent, but not really for these topics, I consider this pretty trivial. Don’t quote me on this, but when women sports players are paid less, I’m pretty sure it’s because women’s sports has less ratings and thus makes less profits, so the pay reflects that. Like if women’s sports made an equal profit as men’s sports, then that would make sense, but I’m pretty sure they don’t. So to me this is a bit like complaining about the pay gap between male and female prostitutes, where m…
/r/MenSupportMen12/02/22 09:22 PM
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Same, and seconded. Whatever your Romantic situation is, falling into the trap of seeing all or even a vague majority of women as a doomy and gloomy abstraction isn’t helping your situation. It’s not true, it’s just a belief that makes giving up feel a little bit more comfortable.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/02/22 03:27 PM
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Wow, weird right? It’s almost as of Feminists are 100% self-centered and don’t give a flying fuck about actually making the world a better place….
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/02/22 04:42 PM
7

Yes, it knows exactly what it wants. Power. Same as it ever was.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/22 09:36 PM
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You know #Metoo was in 2017 right? There is no way this all started as late as the 2020 election.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/22 03:19 PM
11

Yes, let’s all get offended over empirical data. What a fantastic idea.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/22 07:07 PM
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Nah, Christianity did a hatchet job on woman’s reputation. I would argue woman became less wonderful under Christianity than they were under pagan pantheons, woman could have power as priestesses and high priestess before, now they can’t under Christianity. I think the veneration of the Virgin Mary was the old human tendency to want to primarily worship the divine mother archetype poked through in spite of Christianity not because of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/22 06:15 PM
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We could probably trace it to pre-history, because that’s how far back the motif that men are the fighters and women are the nurtures goes. I’m a big history and mythology buff, and as far as I look back, I keep running into the motif that men are worldly, and women are otherworldly. Men are half-beast, women are half-divine (full-divine if they remain virgins). We still see the RPG motif that men are the fighters and women are the healers all the time, but It looks as if this motif that men’s d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/22 06:01 PM
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If there isn’t a greeting card industry behind it, it ain’t real.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 11:16 PM
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Is there really an important distinction between being inherently different, and having an inherent need to express themselves differently? Because I’m not so sure there is. What if we are not “inherently” different (aside from the obvious physical stuff), but we have an inherent will to differentiate ourselves in ways that our gender or sex informs upon?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 09:21 PM
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You’re doing that Black and white thinking again, so I’m just going to go ahead copy/paste my last sentence because it obviously didn’t land: Just because you acknowledge the reality that there is difference between sexes doesn’t mean you HAVE to subtract all value from one of them. You are making a false dichotomy argument. Socializing boys differently from girls doesn’t lead to having no empathy for boys unless that’s specifically how you socialize them, which is currently how we socialize the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 09:06 PM
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What do you think the word radical means exactly? A.) Can’t say for certain, but it kind of looks like human civilization has never done this, ever. B.) it would require all, or most of civilization to systematically re-educate themselves to get on board with the right-think if the new utopia, and then enforce that through the suppression of the old ways. All of this would require a massive mobilization of political capital to just make people buy in to a new dogma that they probably don’t want …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:48 PM
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Does it have to mean that? Are you saying it’s black and white? Because I sure as hell aren’t.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:29 PM
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Okay but the biological differences are huge though. Vaginas full on birth children, that’s a pretty important difference. If women are more valued because their genitals are the ones that create more humans, how exactly do you just socialize that away? Probably most importantly, what you are talking about is radical. Most people, me included, are not on board with socializing all genders identically. I don’t even think it’s possible, and if it is, it would require some kind of radical authorita…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 08:05 PM
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Why is eliminating differences in how the genders choose to live their lives even a goal though?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/22 06:45 PM
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On that note, do you think soap operas portraying women in such toxic ways could be a form of cultural engineering into some kind of image as well? I don’t know what soap Operas you are talking about, and you haven’t described any traits or actions of characters that are being mimicked, so I have no idea if it makes sense to suggest it was done that way for cultural engineering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/22 03:22 PM
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Telling people what they can and can’t watch isn’t really what I signed up for. I’ve literally grown up being told the games I play, cartoons I watched, comics I read would warp my brain, and look at me now, my brain work’s just fine and my brain does too. I think you will find bad examples of people in hundreds of thousands of shows and stories. We could ban every single one of them, or we can trust people to not be assholes. Trust is shaky ground no doubt, but I would rather do that then tell …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 05:28 PM
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I don’t think I want their approval to be honest. Don’t mean to sound unreasonable, but when Menslib is still not good enough for them and they straight up cater to them? Nope. I could not be less interested in doing the thing that they would approve of.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/02/22 02:21 AM
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It is not lost on me that I am giving his words a very charitable interpretation. The more I think about this the more I’d rather back off from trying to defend him. I don’t know what he means by “genes”, it sounds like he is speaking in metaphor but I’m not sure what it’s a metaphor for if it is. I don’t know what he means by cowardly either. Whatever he means, there is no doubt that it is a vague and poorly expressed take. Edit: There is definitely anti-masculine sentiment in the media and pop…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/22 05:43 PM
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Is he? Maybe I’m confused but it looks like he is only asking about female on male.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/22 05:08 PM
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Would you say the same thing about male on female? Why/why not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/22 04:58 PM
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So I’ve seen a shorter version that just ends after she gets sunglasses, this extended bit is new to me. Yeah that’s pretty fucked up. I’m not going to rage over it but, but it’s pretty unsettling. It didn’t feel like the tone of it was that he did something inappropriate (it’s a fucking bar, you’re not allowed to make flirty eye-contact with women at a bar? Gtfo.) it felt like it’s suggesting he was beneath her, with that “as if” comment, and so him even attempting to flirt with her from across…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/22 05:06 AM
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I didn’t include an explanation because I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt that you already know the explanation, which is clearly the case based on this response. Just letting you know the way you stated it is not a particularly charitable portrayal. At any rate, I think what your saying here is true in general. However, Even if a man was mostly motivated by sex, I don’t think that’s invalid anyway, or morally wrong. Sex is a bonding and intimate experience, intimacy is very important to o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 09:47 PM
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Exactly. A cold partner, is still better than no partner. Some guys have had so little luck with dating that they are thankful that they at least have a cold partner.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 08:42 PM
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To a large extent I think that’s pretty true, many women have told me that they see a man as less of a man as soon as they find out he has been penetrated. Though, I feel like it is less about them looking down on those men, and more about the insecurity that arises from the realization that they might not be able to monopolize his affection. With total heterosexuality comes predictability and thus control, but as soon as a guy starts breaking rank with heteronormativity he introduces the elemen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 08:37 PM
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I think she is being an idiot. He is making a point about masculinity being a positive thing and not the source of all evil, she is ignoring that and treating his statement as if it where “femininity = bad” Even feminists talk about how it’s harmful when feminism champions the idea that women should be less feminine and conform to masculine ideals. But here she is flipping out over him daring to suggest maybe demonizing masculinity and pushing feminine ideals onto men could also be harmful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 08:26 PM
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You’re posting on a Male Advocacy sub, I’m pretty reducing men’s motivations to just sex is a thing we usually consider “not cool.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 07:40 PM
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There is this… trauma, I guess you could call it, that I have. Years ago, maybe like 2005, I used to really be into the Rave scene. Completely changed my life for the better, very positive time in my life in general. But I have this memory seared into my skull, where me and one of my male friends were at a Rave, both of us rolling on MDMA. He asked me if I wanted a message, and that sounded great so I said okay. So he is behind me giving me a back massage, a nice amount of male affection that a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 06:44 PM
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Once again, feature, not a bug. Feminists are masters of language control, they will be the first to correct your language if you word something in a way they don’t like. They will never admit it, but fact that they double down on using Toxic Masculinity after it has been brought to their attention how problematic that phrase many many times, should tell you all you need to know; demonizing masculinity is an intended effect, not an accident.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/22 01:01 AM
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💯
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 05:28 PM
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Very wholesome. Not a fan of it’s framing though, as if reluctance to be vulnerable is just an error of “toxic masculinity” and not a survival strategy that mammalian males have evolved with for millions of years. I do have a reluctance to be vulnerable, but it’s not a mistake, and it’s damn sure not toxic, it is an inhibition that life has taught me because people either a.) don’t give a shit about my problems or b.) expressing myself can literally result in direct social penalties. A big chunk…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 05:18 PM
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Dude, 100%. I’ve experienced it going straight to insults. Although when a woman accuses you of being gay for not reciprocating her advances, she is not politely suggesting she knows more about your sexuality than you do, she is trying to insult you.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 04:14 PM
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The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. Anti-feminism =! Men’s advocacy. Do not confuse the two because these are not the same goals. Sometimes Men’s advocates must clash with feminists as a means to address men’s issues, but the goal behind that clash is to advance men’s issues, not just to fight feminism for its own sake. So if you formed a group of people, solely based on their common distain for feminism, that group is not going to be made entirely of egalitarians, MRAs and M…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 04:01 PM
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I’d like to see those stats if you got them. I’ve never heard of that actually being a measured thing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/01/22 04:50 AM
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I guess I can take a stab and this and suggest that it’s because they can’t decouple their concept of men from hypersexuality. They think men are automatically associated insatiable sex drive, so the idea of a man who has no/less bodily urge to have sex unfathomable. Simple lack of imagination and inability to challenge their assumptions really. It’s weird that anyone would actually assume that ace women are the norm when being ace is not a norm at all. There is a [usually] unspoken trope in our…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/22 06:08 PM
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So he goes full circle and ends up just saying tough guy posturing was right all along.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/22 12:13 AM
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Is it really necessary to have to go paragraph by paragraph and explain why this is dumb? Because this is dumb. I got about 4 paragraphs in, and I’m okay with stopping here and concluding this guy is a fucking moron. He never says why men are supposed to be strong and protect others, he just says they have to. It’s circular logic, “men should protect others because they are strong.” Okay what about men who aren’t particularly strong? “Well then they should get strong so they can protect others.”…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/01/22 10:34 PM
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No it isn’t, there is literally nothing feminine about misandry.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/01/22 03:11 PM
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I’m giving you the entire sub to argue on. You see arguments you disagree with, go disagree with them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/22 03:56 AM
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Right, so go on then, be the change you want to see. If you want me to think like you, then win me over with well reasoned arguments, not vague generalizations and condescension.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/22 03:46 AM
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If you see an argument you disagree with, how about you just critique that argument in it’s respective thread like a normal person instead of making a whole other post where you take the straw man to the entire sub and try to convince us all to conform to your preferred sentiments?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/22 03:13 AM
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The operative word here being “job”. I have worked in the service industry in a five star setting, trust me, I understand what it’s like to be pressured to deliver flawless emotional labor on command, and it doesn’t even come close to the house hold chores feminists are calling “emotional labor.” The concept has merit in the case of the kind ofreal emotional labor you would do at work trying to attain customer satisfaction, it doesn’t have merit in the context of feminists mislabeling housework …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/22 05:02 PM
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These same women would accuse girls on onlyfans of commodifying themselves.
/r/AntiFeminists24/01/22 12:47 AM
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We need to stop giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are just making logical errors and would otherwise be great if they just had someone sit them down and explained to them their errors. They would tell that person to fuck off and walk away, because they don’t want to hear it. These are people who believe dishonesty is a means that is justified by its end (more feminists totality). Bad faith positioning, character assassination, straw men, bullying, and repeating outright lies are the…
/r/AntiFeminists22/01/22 06:15 PM
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They will never understand because they don’t want to understand, they want to double down on on their position. Willful ignorance is not an accident, it is a consciously maintained state of being.
/r/AntiFeminists22/01/22 04:09 PM
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At this point, I think we are all aware that politically inconvenient truths regarding men always get ignored.
/r/AntiFeminists22/01/22 03:54 PM
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First you have to understand why this sub was created. Before LWMA you pretty much just had r/mensrights and r/Menslib for men’s issues types subs. R/mensrights has a huge amount of of subs, gets a lot of daily activity, and has a much more “Wild West” culture. According to polls most of the active users do seem to lean left wing, however you will find more right wing sentiment there. The sub is also lightly moderated and has far lower standards of egalitarianism and intellectual rigor than LWMA…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/22 05:36 PM
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And what numbers would those be? What are you comparing femicide to on the men’s side?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 10:40 PM
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It looks like this account was specifically created to be a low effort pest on this sub.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 07:24 PM
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Yes the data is still accessible on the internet, we share and compile it here on LWMA, but I think there is something else to what you are saying. If you try and google men’s issues related stats and opinions, google will try and steer you away from what you are searching for and toward something more feminist friendly. Feminism is optimized in google searches while any kind of men’s issue data or opinion tends to be pushed back. So it’s not just you, and it’s not that MRM is losing relevance, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 07:02 PM
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Exactly, the “solution” has literally nothing to do with the problem, and is guaranteed to cause more problems because they would be oppressing an already low status group for no good reason. I think this is a performance on the part of the doctor. It should be obvious that this is a stupid and destructive idea, but any kind of “let’s punish men for being men” idea gets met with applause now-a-days, no matter how insane or pointless. He is a typical sycophant, it’s just alarming seeing such sham…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 06:52 PM
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I will always be a strong proponent of mentorship programs, so I would completely agree that optional guidance for young men who need help in any area of navigating life as a man would be beneficial. But that is a far cry away from straight up putting men under house arrest until they pass some arbitrary test. You think men are misbehaving now? Give us a reason to riot in the streets.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 06:46 PM
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Anti-male sentiment is worse now than it has ever been, it has only gotten worse as the years go on, so I would argue men’s rights is even more relevant now than it was 10, 20, or 30 years ago. The men’s issues from ten years ago still haven’t been resolved either, fathers are still discriminated against in court, circumcision is still legal and for the most people still don’t give a shit, there will soon be two female college graduates for every male one and so on. The dissatisfaction among men…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 06:06 PM
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“I have an idea! Let’s make it so men with low social skills aren’t allowed to get the experience they need to improve their social skills!“
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/22 05:11 PM
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What a bizarre notion that you can’t have diversity and comment on that diversity at the same time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/22 01:25 AM
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ROFL. “Did they get banned” he asks. No dude, they got retweets.
/r/MensRights15/01/22 05:40 PM
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Calling it “selfish” is very unflattering, and actually foolish because it comes with judgmental overtones that shouldn’t be there, but I think it might actually be true that men tend to be more self focused while women tend to be more other focused. Don’t get too caught up on the morality of it, it doesn’t make us bad people, because ultimately I think it contributes to men being more independent minded, which I think is a great thing. Men and women are not supposed to be the same, we are speci…
/r/MensRights15/01/22 01:15 AM
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The guy I was responding was jokingly comparing Rational feminists who don’t hate men, to unicorns. The meaning of my comment about “unicorns” existing was to say: rational feminists were much More common in the 90’s, that was before “you can’t be sexist against men” was codified into a rule that mainstream feminists enforce, and at that point in time patriarchy theory was largely a radical feminist belief that wasn’t completely accepted by all liberal feminists, whereas now patriarchy theory is…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/22 12:20 AM
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“Unicorns” actually existed in the 90’s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/22 09:03 PM
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For the most part, we aren’t against rational feminists who are only concerned with women’s rights not hating men either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/22 07:04 PM
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First of all, I’m a really big fan of RAW. I think he and Terrance McKenna have more profoundly influenced my philosophical and rational mind more than anyone (Also Socrates I suppose.) With that said, I had no idea he started writing about mens issues during the latter end of his life. These are written in ‘96 and they feel like they were written yesterday, I can only imagine what he would have to say today now that the bigotry of radical feminism has gone full mainstream. Man, it really makes …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/22 04:57 PM
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This is true, that was more of a joke statement than a fact.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/22 12:11 AM
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Right, it is more important to scapegoat innocent men so they can be made an example of, then serve justice. It’s another incarnation of male expendability, the thinking behind it is ultimately: “So what if he didn’t do it? He’ll only lose his entire life, no big deal.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 09:44 PM
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They might as well phrase it the way they obviously want to: “Men who are accused of sexual misconduct shouldn’t be entitled to due process: Agree or strongly agree?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 08:36 PM
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No, Menslib is Menslib but for socialists. I kind of just told you the difference, but here it is in other words: Menslib prioritizes feminism first and foremost, so they address men’s issues from a position that primarily reinforces and benefits the feminist narrative, and any criticism of feminism by the user base is usually censored by the mods. Whereas LWMA places male advocacy first and addresses these issues from a leftist and egalitarian lens, the mods have no loyalty to feminism, and so …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 05:54 PM
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So you have to kiss the ring of feminism and avoid competing with their monopoly on victimhood. Yeah, I think I already knew that. I think if LWMA was comfortable with reframing our issues to be palatable to the feminist gaze, we would be Menslib. There is a reason we are not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 05:16 PM
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Have you trying saying that to the feminists? Because uhhhh… I’ve been watching these conversations unfold, and uhhhh… I have a sneaking suspicion feminists are not as on board with mens issues as you make them out to be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 04:47 PM
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I have been with the same person for over 6 years, and before that I didn’t really have Male Advocacy on my mind, so I can’t answer your dating questions, I’ll jump right to the relationship ones: Is she supportive of my male advocacy… Yes? I suppose? See I don’t really go around saying I’m this or that label, so you wouldn’t run into my Male Advocacy but me directly telling you, you would run into it from hearing my opinions, which she has. So how did they react when they first heard my male ad…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 04:38 PM
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I had an Ex like that. She acted like it was soooo unfair of me to not want to be in an arrangement where I have to monogamous while she gets to be poly. It’s been officially cool for women to be casually Bi since 2000.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/22 04:24 PM
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I listened to the whole thing. Great interview man, It’s nice to here a little more about your story too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/22 06:15 PM
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It’s called “Security theatre.” It’s not meant to help it’s just meant to vaguely look like help.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/22 05:27 PM
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I’m going to take your word for it that this is trash and not read it. I woke up without a headache and I’d like to keep it that way.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/22 05:21 PM
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“As long as patriarchry prevails and toxic masculinity turns men into predators, sex positivity cannot become fully realized. “ In other words, we’ll include men when pigs fly.
/r/MensRights09/01/22 10:09 PM
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I’m saying if it’s not run by self-declared feminists, then it might as well be because they are approaching from the same perspective and assumptions.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 07:33 PM
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What I’m saying is, assuming this isn’t already being guided by feminist propaganda, wouldn’t it be fair to say it already looks as if it were guided by feminist propaganda? Like I literally can’t imagine how feminists would do worse than this, it already matches their rhetoric to a T. So you saying “I hope feminists don’t hijack this” to me, reads like: “I hope racists don’t hijack racial profiling.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 07:29 PM
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Isn’t that a bit like saying “I hope the Luftwaffe won’t be hijacked by the Nazis?”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/01/22 03:55 PM
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What if he said nothing of his wife and just said he waits with her to make sure she is okay on his own volition? It would have a completely different interpretation. I suspect she might not believe him at face value at all, and figure he is stalking her and creepily trying to get close to her with this knight in shining armor act. It wouldn’t be his moral agency that is causing him to do this, but his sexual agency faking morality to get access to her. Opening with “my wife made me do it” is so…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/22 04:15 AM
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More lethal inmate on inmate violence, murder and rape. More Staff on inmate abuse, neglect, violence and rape. Violent offenders get mixed with non-violent offenders more often. Higher security measures like high stone walls, razor wire and guard towers. less freedom for inmates to go about as they please. Not saying a woman’s prison is a walk in the park either, but men’s prisons are on a whole other level of bleak.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 05:20 PM
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Women don’t go through the same horrors of prison that men go through, full stop. Women’s prison is nothing like men’s prison.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/22 03:47 PM
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Do you want to discuss something about this in particular? Because I’m not particularly interested in watching this now that you’ve summarized it so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/22 04:59 PM
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“Why is this even an argument?” Again, you tell me? I’m not even arguing with you about whether gender-based oppression effects everyone or not, it’s feminists who disagree with that. It’s feminists who argue that misandry doesn’t exist and gender oppression only swings male to female, never female to male, and if it’s male to male then it doesn’t count as oppression. The real question, why do you think I am (or we are), your opponent(s) on this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 07:23 PM
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This is the first time you’ve presented your take as your personal opinion, and not some greater truth that so many of us have “failed to realize” as you put. Nuance? I don’t think so. There is nothing nuanced about the notion that everyone but rich white men are suffering victims of oppression. For one thing, you completely erase the oppression and exploitation that white women have taken part in; hell even white feminists have been known to exploit black feminists. Look, I’m with you on the wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 07:11 PM
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White woman are suffering? The whole lot of them huh, regardless of class? That’s fucking hilarious. Those poor poor upper class white women… Why don’t you tell me how hard what you are saying is to comprehend, considering most feminists don’t even agree with you (except for the fan fiction that all white women are suffering under the heel of men.) You act like you are a voice of authority that represents the true spirit of feminism, when you are an outlier on the margins. Women get privileges r…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 06:37 PM
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Then it’s not made by men for men, and there is no universal male privilege. What makes you think you are the true Scotsman when you contradict the vast majority of other feminists?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/01/22 05:22 PM
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If the “good” feminists are providing cover for the “bad” feminists, allowing them to flourish unchecked by downplaying their greater role in feminism and how their ideas have roots in the ideology, then the good ones aren’t all that “good”, are they?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/21 09:24 PM
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It sounds like your friend is being emotionally held captive by a predator. Keeping surveillance on your partner so you can stop them from accessing the opinions others (who will probably point out that he is being abused) is cult level abuse. That’s not a girlfriend, that’s a brain slug. I hope your friend can still be reached because he needs help, she is pinning his time and resources down and inhibiting him from forming and sustaining non-toxic relationships. I don’t care who you are, Loneli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/21 08:26 PM
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I think the whole kneeling thing is putting on a show for an Audience of many, not an audience of one. Sure, you are taking at knee toward the bride to be, but these overly dramatic gestures are mainly to make a public spectacle for the approval of the whole community it large. This is why well into the contemporary era, proposals are more often than not done in the presence of a camera taking lots of pictures that will be posted on social media. When wooing a woman, you are not just trying to w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/21 04:26 PM
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That’s still how you are supposed to do it. You are supposed to actually have a conversation in which you both express your interest in getting married before arranging a time and place to propose. Literally popping the question out of the blue is noob mistake that generally ends in disaster and humiliation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/21 04:03 PM
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I guarantee you, misandry in the form of simply not giving a shit about men’s health and well-being is a bigger obstacle than mindless multiculturalism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/21 03:55 PM
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I agree with that premise, but I also think the user base for the most part has a mind of their own, and regardless of what the mods or the feminist subs and lurkers intend, I still think the user base alone create a men’s advocacy experience because that’s what THEY want. It’s just super limited because they are at the mercy of feminist mods.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 04:21 PM
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It’s not a men rights sub, but I would say feminist men’s advocacy is still men’s advocacy, it’s just that they can only focus on issues that feminists allow, like encouraging men to be emotional or feel comfortable not fitting in with masculine norms. That’s obviously not the whole picture of men’s issues and advocacy, but it’s not nothing either. Plenty of men do feel that Menslib has helped them, I prefer facts and rigor myself to “safe spaces” that fear the inconvenient things that we might …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 04:06 PM
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And Menslib. Honestly, out of all men’s advocacy subs, this one needs this PSA the least.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 03:04 PM
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Yes, Which is sad because nobody talks more shit on male feminists than female feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/21 03:00 PM
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More context plz, what happened? What did you say that got you banned?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/21 06:16 PM
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Give that time too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 04:37 PM
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Seriously?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/21 04:04 PM
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Well this is going to be about as satisfying as arguing with a sack of potatoes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/21 11:38 PM
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Do they? How you ever pointed out a person to one of your buddies in public, and made a joke at there expense? I certainly have. If you have done this before, did you want that person’s attention? Because I certainly didn’t, I only thought as far as making my friend laugh. So I don’t know where you are getting this idea that every person who laughs at a stranger in public is doing it because they want that stranger’s attention, let alone think that stranger is sexually interested in them. It is …
/r/MensRights16/12/21 04:26 PM
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That’s not even an explanation… You should have explained that to her.
/r/MensRights16/12/21 04:05 PM
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Give it time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 03:42 PM
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“Men are doctors, lawyers, and engineers too, they just happen to also be pieces in a political game.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 03:41 PM
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They who will not be named. Just kidding it’s feminists.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/21 04:05 AM
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Sure why not, but that just takes us back to my original question, why does OP think these two very different behaviors have the same cause? He goes on to implying that they were laughing at him because they wanted his attention. Are you sure they aren’t just assholes?
/r/MensRights16/12/21 01:45 AM
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He didn’t need to. It’s implied in the subject line question leading to his anecdote about his clothes being laughed at. I don’t see what one has to do with the other.
/r/MensRights16/12/21 12:02 AM
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Says who?
/r/MensRights15/12/21 11:31 PM
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Why do you think women laughing at your clothes has to do with them thinking you are interested in them?
/r/MensRights15/12/21 11:30 PM
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“Men should be more vulnerable!” Meanwhile… “My husband never opened up to me about his abusive ex, I had to hear about it from his friends. What a great husband!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/12/21 07:02 PM
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He wasn’t censored for disagreeing with us, he was censored for being abusive, which is necessary. We shouldn’t have to sacrifice mental health just to inform a person coming from bad faith of something they didn’t know. But also, he clearly wasn’t being anything of value to the conversation, he was just repeating the same arguments, not listening, and calling people names. I think you make a very good point, but it probably would have fallen on deaf ears. They are misusing the word toxic. Mercu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 09:21 PM
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That guy came with nothing prepared but bad faith. He literally wasn’t even listening to a damn word we were saying. I’m not even sure why he was here when all he brought to the table was the same old feminist reactionary hostility to people who questioned feminist propaganda, with the same self-righteous attitude that his reductionist thinking is just objectively right.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 07:58 PM
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Ah, there’s that airstrike.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 06:59 PM
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Because according to you targeting the body when the body isn’t the problem is peachy keen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:36 PM
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Should I presume you call women “hairy legs” when you disagree with them? “Big head” is a metaphor for big ego. What exactly is the metaphor of neck beard?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:26 PM
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Yes, “everything” as in everything this thread is about, which is how virginity is perceived in men and women, which you chalked your to all being about toxic masculinity. I didn’t literally mean EVERYTHING in the whole universe, so you seem to be the only one here taking things literally. A neck beard is a man with hair on their neck, it is also a slur for nerds. I’m not misunderstanding shit, you are attacking them on their bodily characteristics, it is body shaming, period. And you are incapa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:22 PM
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Then don’t make it about the hair on their neck, it’s that simple. If you don’t want to body shame, don’t fucking body shame.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:09 PM
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That’s literally what it is. “How dare they not shave their neck! Don’t they know that’s gross!” You are attacking them for letting their natural hair grow, not for the argument they are saying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 05:00 PM
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A.) it was you who claimed that everything this post has to do with is toxic masculinity. If that’s not what you meant then you need to word your arguments more accurately. B.) Because you are shaming facial hair. If you didn’t want facial hair to be your target then you should have targeted their arguments, not their facial hair. Its like retorting by calling a person baby dick, regardless of your intentions, by attacking a person by targeting their body, you are body shaming everyone who has t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 04:57 PM
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That’s fine.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 04:29 PM
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Wow this post has everything! The intellectual laziness of chalking everything up to “toxic masculinity”. Body shaming male facial hair for no reason, and demonizing men who are critical of the term “toxic masculinity” with slurs like “neck beard.” Just plain being wrong about the fact women definitely do care about whether a man is still virgin in his post-college later years. What’s not to hate about this post? Take my downvote, you worked hard for this one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 04:21 PM
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I posted a very similar thread that touches on roughly the same concept: The loss of virginity taken as proof of social value https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/qtywva/virgin_shaming_as_a_mechanism_of_forcing_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 03:58 PM
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Sure. Here are the pages that mentioned Menslib: https://imgur.com/a/XccNyGM Here is my breakdown: https://imgur.com/5X1rN9P Okay so I underestimated just how much I’ve posed on r/askmen, apparently that’s where I’ve gained most of my karma with LWMA coming in second. Still far more than Menslib. What is accurate in the recap is that even though I’ve posted only maybe three or four comments on Menslib, each one gained over 100 karma (sidebar: which is why I would argue there is a silent majority…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/12/21 11:34 PM
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 10:11 PM
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It is baffling to me how having a small penis became the worst thing a man could possibly do. I had to explain to people why attacking Donald Trump on his supposed penis size made no sense, because there are a thousand other things that make him incompetent and/or morally bankrupt, and by attacking his penis, you are choosing to ignore his actual wrong doings and fixating on the one thing that isn’t connected to his character, all the while throwing other men under the bus. It never landed, I wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 10:09 PM
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Holy shit this is a great post. As much as I want to give Jax the benefit of the doubt here, you are spot on that any helpful things he has to say is walked back by three other things that reinforces misandry. He is getting his influencer power from feminists, and to meaningfully critique feminism requires breaking rank with their narratives, which he is not going to do because that would jeopardize his viewership, so he is twisting himself into knots trying to address an ideological problem wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 04:48 PM
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I was just going to say something about this. So I’ve made like maybe 4 comments on Menslib this year, and my recap couldn’t wait to tell me about the karma those comments made, when I have made the vast majority of my karma on this account from LWMA. Yet it had absolutely nothing to say about my presence here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 04:09 PM
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That’s pretty much the only way intersectionality is applied to men, when trying to figure out which group of men you are allowed to abuse without consequences. I would also go as far as arguing this is a divide and conquer tactic. Women have the universal sisterhood, while men are chopped up into a bunch of subgroups, all ranked from most oppressive to least. There is no war between straight and cis men verses queer men, but feminists take control of these LGBT narratives to artificially drive …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/12/21 03:35 PM
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Forgetting they exist is one thing, and creating a hostile environment so they stay out is another. Is it really even a bisexual community at that point if you’re only allowed to like one gender?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 08:44 PM
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That was pretty clear to me from what you posted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 08:18 PM
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No no no, leave it, that was totally not my intention.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 08:10 PM
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I want to like this, and I kind of do because calling out feminism is a very necessary thing. Except Jax isn’t actually calling out misandry, he’s calling out homophobia. He is saying it’s a problem because it effects gay men, trans men, and any other MLM, the effect that it has on ALL men, doesn’t seem to be a good enough reason in it’s own. I don’t mean to just poo poo this post, I agree that this is mostly a good thing, But I’d actually like to start seeing misandry called out by name, not th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/21 08:05 PM
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Okay, here is the problem as I see it: you are coming from a position of ignorance and acting as if the only problematic feminists are randoms on the internet, when in reality it is feminists who are seated with positions of power. This is why you are butting heads with myself and so many others, it appears we know something you don’t. So I am going to leave you with a many times quoted comment by Karen Straughan that was said in refutation to the claim that misandrists aren’t real feminists, or…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 11:14 PM
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Are you a solipsist or something? You seem to be under the impression that if you pretend external problems don’t exist then they’ll just wink out of existence. If a group of people can preach hatred and violence against your group and no one bats an eye, you better believe that effects you too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 05:03 PM
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… What?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 04:39 PM
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Okay well the world of men is a lot bigger than just you and your personal experiences. You know slavery existed for more than ten years, right? You know monarchy existed for more than ten years? If after ten years every revolutionary cause just gave up, we wouldn’t have any progress what so ever. We’ve been saying in the US we want universal healthcare for more than ten years too, so I guess we’re just spinning our tires by your metrics. As for your final point: What would you do if you woke up…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 04:12 PM
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Hmmmm, you do realize Male Advocacy means standing up for more than just Male mental health though right? If this was only about mental health and nothing else I MIGHT be more agreeable to your take, but even then it still not a very good idea. Feminists often oppose the creation of male spaces, which you have to admit is important for male health. Hell, feminists often oppose giving any attention to male issues at all because they think it’s taking too much attention away from women issues. We …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 03:06 PM
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Think of it this way…. Environmentalism is many times more valued than men’s rights, and the Green Party didn’t even have a chance against the other two parties. Third parties are a joke in the US, they don’t win, period. If it didn’t work for libertarians or environmentalists, it damn sure isn’t going to work for us, a group that has significantly less support.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/21 05:09 PM
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This is going to keep happening, I just hope one day it sparks the George Floyd level reaction that this deserves.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/12/21 05:04 PM
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At that point he is just selling women what he thinks they want to hear.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 05:17 PM
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I road that wave of creationist and Christian dissent during 2008-2013 when Dawkins, Harris, Hitchens, and Dennet were still prominent intellectual voices. I never would have predicted that in a society that is becoming post-monotheist, so many people would still choose the secular version of moral absolutism. Old habits die hard I guess.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 04:33 PM
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Many people will always claim you don’t understand their ideology when you criticize it, because it will always be easier to dismiss an argument outright than address it. Ideologues often believe that their beliefs are so untouchable that if you truly understood their arguments, then you would also be the same kind of ideologue, and the fact that you are criticizing it at all is evidence that you don’t understand. This a behavior that I always ran into whenever criticizing Christianity, Buddhism…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/21 04:01 PM
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I think she is expecting you to join in on the misandry. The way we relate to women cannot be by sharing mutual hatred for men, and way too many men take the bait and do just that because they are starving for female approval.
/r/MensRights08/12/21 12:16 AM
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That’s awful man, I’m really sorry. The way people are responding sounds even more harrowing than the suicide itself. Awful, completely awful people.
/r/MensRights08/12/21 12:12 AM
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If this bothers you enough to post about it here and seek advice, then it is fair to say she is sexually harassing you. First of all you need to respect your own boundaries enough to stand up for yourself. If you don’t want to be sexually harassed, then speak the fuck up, to not just your wife but the cousin’s friend. What’s the point of even having boundaries if you don’t have the backbone to set them? You should also express to your wife how it felt when she completely dismissed your feelings,…
/r/MensRights07/12/21 11:43 PM
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Well congratulations, now the only gender difference that we will celebrate is men are expendable and women aren’t. Huzzah!
/r/MensRights07/12/21 11:27 PM
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Why do you so many of you guys think it’s your responsibility to engage with these people? You cannot reason with people who refuse to live in reality. Save your mental health, and don’t even bother, all you are doing is feeding into their fantasy by acting like their stereotypes of a villain by using stereotypical talking points like “Not all men.” If you must engage and want my advice, don’t be predictable, don’t use arguments that feminists have spent a hours countering like “not all men”, it…
/r/MensRights07/12/21 07:40 PM
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It’s from TikTok, do you really think they thought this through? They could say anything in the format of “Men should take responsibility for X.” And they will get a ton of likes. It doesn’t need to make sense. It just needs to have a “something something teach men not to rape something something” format.
/r/MensRights07/12/21 05:40 AM
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I guess that makes it a “safe” to use statistic because it includes the implied “I know woman have it worse but…“ I wonder if it’s even true?
/r/MensRights07/12/21 05:32 AM
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Find a group men who are willing to protest. Then protest. You don’t need them all to participate, you just need some.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/21 01:58 AM
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A.) I think I see both in nearly equal proportions. B.) and who are you to just declare them as outsider? Do you not see how that’s a no true Scotsman? C.) again I do see it quite a bit, and if you comb the topics on LWMA, so will you. You will see it even more on Menslib because constricting gender roles is one of the few topics they are actually allowed to talk about, but it’s not an inherently feminist talking point and there are quite a few anti feminists who say the same things. Well, I mig…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 09:45 PM
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Did you see her comment: “My boss says my brain moves too fast. Sorry my brain moves so fast!” It’s like… “Can’t understand what I’m saying? It’s because I’m hella smart and stuff. I’m sorry you guys have trouble following smart people!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 07:18 PM
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This reads like a passive aggressive Facebook post that was specifically meant for one person who actually knows enough backstory to understand. This is all just vague pseudo intellectual babble. She intentionally doesn’t give enough detail about her past relationships to inhibit her behavior in the relationship being analyzed. Edit: also, yes she is definitely Gish Galloping.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 06:56 PM
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All they are doing is making women a liability. Why even associate with women at all if even looking at them can destroy you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 06:23 PM
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The fear makes them only easy to manipulate into political pawns too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 06:21 PM
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You deleted your comment after I already read it, so here is your response: Do you actually post here often? Because I see men here express frustration with being pigeonholed into male gender roles all the time, like being required to be a provider. It is not a few men who don’t want to be obligated to perform masculine tropes, it might even be most of us.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 06:07 PM
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She is wrong right out the gate. Empathy =! selflessness, it is the capacity to feel what others are feeling, that’s all. It has nothing to do with what people are willing to do for you, just because a person empathizes with your emotions doesn’t mean they should therefor be willing to sacrifice themselves for you. You know, it’s almost as if they have boundaries too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 05:57 PM
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So what? Do we really want to go down the natural road? Some scientists believe humans are naturally harem forming like gorillas and chimps, with the most powerful males dominanting most females, should we just go ahead and embrace that then since it’s “natural”.
/r/MensRights06/12/21 05:42 PM
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I’d be all for that. For instance if we were talking about supporting gaming culture and recreation centers in general, and advocating for the creation of male, and possibly even male only spaces, I’m 1000% for that. But to think men’s primary common interest is sports is just so 1950’s.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 05:33 PM
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What… the fuck… Am I watching? I literally have to keep reminding myself that they are talking about a sadistic deeply disturbed misandrist murderous psychopath, because the tone of this segment tries to make you feel like they are talking about a rock star. When they are describing how she attempted to brutally murder Andy Warhol for no sane reason, they play this heavy metal music in the background as if all of this so bad ass and punk rock of her. ”She gets into drugs and prostitution and it’…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 05:28 PM
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More like freedom to decide what you are in the first place.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 03:23 PM
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That’s all fair enough, but what makes you think the men who actually need these things the most are actually going to seek out sports teams though?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 05:39 AM
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No rage at all, it’s just kind of an eye roll. There is something very r/womenwritingmen about the way she includes ‘more sports stuff’ in her top solutions for the plights of men. When was the last time you ever heard a guy complain about their not being enough sports teams to be on? It’s like she is grasping at straws with that one. I understand your pushback, and I don’t mean to nitpick, it’s a good article but some parts just stick out in awkward ways.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 04:33 AM
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She’s right. The operative word here is “freedom”, she is not saying we need to be less masculine, she is saying we need to the freedom to not be masculine if we choose to. She is correct, we do need freedom from gender roles and expectations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 12:34 AM
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Men and boys need good jobs, affordable access to team sports… Yes, that’s why we’re killing ourselves, lack of softball teams.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 12:28 AM
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I will add one thing, I have seen many a feminist express how they actually get satisfaction out of trolling men and MRAs into an outrage. Things like “I actually don’t want to kill all men, but it pisses men off so I’m going to keep saying it.” If you are intensionally provoking outrage because you get a sadistic satisfaction out of it, I would argue it’s fair to say you are consciously manufacturing your opposition at that point. Making enemies and starting fights, simply because you want to p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 05:00 PM
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Yeah, I agree. That’s why I phrase it as “on some level” because I don’t think it is actually a conscious motive. I think it is mostly that they think they are entitled to psychologically abusing the male half of the population, and it’s mostly selfish and short sighted catharsis because it feels good to them and they get likes for it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 04:15 PM
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I have a suspicion that this is on some level intentional. Feminism gets its power and political traction from having bogeymen to point to and claim to be a victim of. If all of their bogeymen were dealt with, there would be no reason to keep clinging on to feminism, and it’s power would recede. But if you can manufacture a never ending supply of bogeymen, then you can wage an eternal holy war against them and more and more power can be claimed for feminism. It’s like weapons contractors and the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 08:21 PM
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Go home Cher, you’re drunk.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/21 06:45 PM
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Strict gender roles does not equal healthy relationships.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/21 06:08 PM
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Thank you for explaining the joke, Should I be more clear with my sarcasm or something?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/12/21 03:14 PM
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I always find it telling when people recoil from the idea of women being drafted with the line “Drafting women to die…” because nobody is actually being “drafted to die”, you might die in combat, but you aren’t just drafted to be cannon fodder, especially if it’s women we’re talking about. The fact they the think the women will be “drafted to die” means they think men are just drafted to die, and they are clearly okay with that. This is the most common face of misandry right here, complete ambiv…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 05:50 PM
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That’s called having an inconsiderate partner.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 05:39 PM
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Holy fucking shit, a conservative who doesn’t change things!?!?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/11/21 05:21 PM
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I would argue America isn’t much different. There was recently a study that found even self-proclaimed feminist women still select men who show benevolent sexism over men who don’t, things like offering to pay for every meal, always offering to carry women’s bags and other things that treat women like they are made of glass. https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0146167218781000 Based on more recent feminist rhetoric, there are demands to expand benevolent sexism among men toward women, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/21 03:58 PM
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Spot the fuck on.
/r/MensRights20/11/21 05:00 PM
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What a moron. “I don’t want to interact with this guy. I better interact with him to let him know.”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/21 04:23 PM
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Dude if you mean Menslib just say Menslib.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/21 04:53 PM
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Yesterday while I was working a gig, another freelancer on the same project comes up with a pelican case (a reinforced plastic case for transporting gear) and asked if I could lift it off the ground and put it on the table for her because her back was hurting. I CALL WEAPONIZED BACK PAIN.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/21 12:44 AM
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I hope he’s okay. I miss his posts too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 06:50 PM
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I hate hate HATE that mentality. “You made me angry, so I’m entitled to violently assault you now.” It is beyond me how a person can think like this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 06:13 PM
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Being able to get away with dehumanizing people and feeling morally superior is what they signed up for, it’s not a bug it’s their signature feature.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 06:08 PM
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Feminists are running out of women’s issues, so now they are just pulling things out of their ass.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 06:05 PM
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Not sure I follow your logic here. Are you saying men’s issues are ignored because we readily give so much labor that it causes people to take it for granted? Well they do take it for granted alright, but I don’t think that has anything to do with capitalism. I could not disagree more that producing holds us back, as opposed to what anyway, Sitting on our ass? Production is empowering, especially if you are producing something in demand. I think is time for men to only take back more jobs that k…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/21 01:28 AM
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It’s not a claim that women are an organized group, it’s a claim that sometimes some women play this role, which they do. I left out the word some, but the point stands.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/11/21 01:44 AM
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Yes, and both are implying they are bad at their gender role.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 08:56 PM
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It’s different, but there are parallels. For instance, I think in both cases the implication is that the person getting labeled is seen as low value. A male virgin is seen as low value for not offering anything a woman would want, and a promiscuous woman is seen as low value because she is giving away sex, and thus is unable to leverage her sex for a more high value deal.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/21 08:52 PM
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Sarcasm aside, I suppose it is the FDS anthem, isn’t it? I highly doubt you’re going to find guys singing songs about rejecting broke girls, guys generally don’t assume they are entitled to their partners wealth and ones that do aren’t going to write any songs about it because that would be announcing to the world that you’re an asshole. It’s just too novel. Whereas with women, they are just saying the same thing traditional society has been saying about men for millennia: Men who don’t work/pro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/21 01:06 AM
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I didn’t know a scrub was a guy with no money, I mean, they clearly define a ‘scrub’ in the song and it’s “A guy that can’t get no love from me.” Why you might ask? I guess we’ll never know.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/21 11:56 PM
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Male gender roles 2.0 Edit: maybe more like 1.1
/r/MensRights12/11/21 10:44 PM
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Just keep going with the questioning. Don’t worry about specific talking points, you are clearly savvy enough to deconstruct her arguments. basically use the Socratic method, when she comes at you with premises that she takes for granted, you deconstruct those premises and come back with more questions. For instance she says “men oppressed women for centuries, so it’s okay to say ‘kill all men’” Premise 1: “Men have oppressed women for ages.” Men have never acted as a singular unit with singular…
/r/MensRights12/11/21 10:39 PM
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First and foremost, I agree with you, no means no and all that good stuff. However, most people do go to clubs open to hooking up with someone they meet unless they aren’t single or came with a date. So you coming up with her and asking her to dance looks exactly like courtship, and then you vibing with her looks like attraction. So I don’t blame her for thinking you were into her, you did kind of lead her on, you seriously shouldn’t have even approached her if you weren’t on board with the poss…
/r/MensRights12/11/21 10:14 PM
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They literally know where you live and sleep? I’m confused, if they already know where you live, then what does that have to do with where you post it? Are you saying you want to post it on a private server so you can discretely share it without them ever finding it?
/r/MenSupportMen11/11/21 12:13 AM
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That is horrifying. If that were me, starting my journey into learning about men’s issues, and that was the first thing saw from MRAs, I would probably never come back. I am on LWMA specifically to be away from shit like that. I’m not even here for the leftism really, I’m here for the egalitarianism. You’re offense and vigilance is 100% warranted and I am thankful you are putting in this much time and effort call attention to this problem. One of the things that I love about the MRM is that we a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/11/21 04:11 PM
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“As a father, I had my daughter’s pubic hair laser removed because I want men to enjoy eating her pussy. Out of the WELL OVER 100 pussies I’ve licked, only two of them weren’t shaved. I mean, I still had sex with them, but I didn’t call them back, gross!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 11:27 PM
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If a person refuses to live in reality, they are best left out of the conversation.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 06:22 PM
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Feminist thought patterns aren't bad at addressing men's issues… So thinking of men as always being perpetrators of domestic abuse while women are always victims is a good framework for addressing men’s issues? What about assuming men always an advantage over women, even when the man is significantly poorer? Is that a framework you’d like to borrow as well? What about automatically shutting down conversations about men’s issues because “women have it worse”? I bet that one is REAL good at addres…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 05:27 PM
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I don’t get it. Are we doing a schtick? What is this?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 03:59 PM
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Seriously. The logic of their mindset is essentially: I only hooked up with him because he had a pulse, he should know that he would be beneath me if it wasn’t for the gender ratio. Okay, so you’re admitting you didn’t actually like him and were only interested and in using his body for sex? So you’re exactly the same as him then? Then they go on to say: “The ratio makes him think he has plenty of other options, and that he can just treat our relationship as disposable!” Wait what? You just said…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 03:19 PM
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Definition: man who believes other women will also date him, and is correct. “THIS GUY THINKS I’M NOT HIS ONLY OPTION! HIS CONFIDENCE BORDERLINES ON MADDNESS!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/21 01:22 AM
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Relationship therapist Charisse Cooke told FEMAIL: 'Golden Penis Syndrome speaks of the delusional belief that you are unusually and uniquely gifted as a man, sexually or otherwise, and are above established norms of good manners, respect and dating etiquette. It can result in overly-grandiose behaviour and self-reverence and an inflated sense of power over the opposite sex. Women can be baffled by these men, but intrigued and lured in due to the man's self-belief and seeming promise. AHAHAHAHA.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 10:05 PM
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Libertarians think non-libertarians are toxic? Do socialists think non-socialists are toxic? Ignorant sure, selfish yes, but toxic? I don’t know about that one. What about environmentalists? What about Buddhists? Kind of a ridiculous assertion isn’t it, that every ideology is equally as polarized against their opposition as feminism is? Most ideologies don’t consider other opinions to be their oppressors.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 08:00 PM
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Not sure I follow.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 06:06 PM
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How many groups actually believe their opposition is toxic? How many groups believe not getting the democratic outcome they wanted means “the system” is oppressive?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 06:02 PM
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Yes, the end goal of feminism is shift cultures and attitudes into their image, that alone doesn’t say anything about what means they are willing to use. A culture that is shifted toward gender equality would in theory elect roughly similar amount of people. Why? Why would they do that? Do you vote gender first? Why would the electorate prioritize making sure seat of power are distributed 50/50 in gender, as opposed to just voting for the person they want in office regardless of their gender? Wh…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 05:58 PM
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You know, it’s debatable that the Suffragettes should be considered feminists in the contemporary sense, but since you are equating the two, then yes actually, the suffragettes themselves stifled democracy in order to ensure women get the vote. The following block quote is from this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates/comments/ojzy29/never_a_fight_of_woman_against_man_what_textbooks/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf where you will find the source. A lone ref…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/11/21 05:17 PM
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I have this kind of anxiety about the Non-binary identity. I really don’t want to alienate any of our NBs, so I’m sorry if this is odd putting. But I have actually thought long and hard about reconceptualizing my gender identity to non-binary, but the reason I don’t is that I feel like I shouldn’t have to. The truth is, we’re all non-binary, none of us are paragons of masculinity or femininity, these labels don’t really capture any of our essences entirely. With that said, I shouldn’t need to id…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 08:30 PM
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Menslib socialists are probably mostly socialist in name only because that’s the label that will get them a pat on the head from their peers. Menslib’s bottom line is optics, looking like the good guys, and the “good” in this case is a “good” defined by feminism, so if Menslib wants to look like “the good guys”, they have to be against paper abortions because feminists said no.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 08:08 PM
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I think there is a lot to unpack. For one thing, I really think this started out as a holdover from a Christian dominated society, and feminists have worked to dismantle old Christian hung ups about female sexuality, while preserving hang ups about male sexuality. There was a time when all human sexualities were gross, now just men’s is. As another element, I think it is also connected to women’s sense of each other’s sexual market value, and how they advertise their own perceived sexual value. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/11/21 04:10 PM
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That is a very profound question, and one that doesn’t have a cut and dry answer. What I can tell you is this: love is often not enough. It’s not that you either love a person or you are addicted to them, both are true more often than not. This differentiation must be made by you, None of us can give you the answer, it has to be you that determines the answer because you know what you want and what she is like better than any of us. So when you ask “how do I know in the future?” The truth is, no…
/r/MenSupportMen05/11/21 08:29 PM
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I think you might want to stop thinking of yourself as being in love with her and start thinking of her like an addiction that you need to shake. I really think you need to brute force yourself to move on, yeah I get that your mind keeps going back to her but that doesn’t it’s meant to be, it means you haven’t experienced any other kind of love so your are grasping on to the familiar dynamic. Sometimes it feels really good to be the steady tent pole in the life of some hot mess girl, but it’s cl…
/r/MenSupportMen05/11/21 07:41 PM
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The bottom line is the guy didn’t mansplain, he explained. If the woman was right or not doesn’t really matter because the guy was still needed to break the problem down in a way that makes sense, that’s not stealing an idea, that’s communicating the correct answer clear. You’re on a team, it’s not a game show, it really doesn’t matter that she didn’t “get the points” for being the one to explain it, this is a purely an egotistical non-issue. I do believe it is possible to ‘splain, but I have a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/21 04:11 PM
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Short answers: Menslib is a feminist controlled conversation. They want it to be men’s only space to talk about their issues so they can steer the conversation toward a feminist narrative (X is caused by toxic masculinity, men create their own problems, and so on) Menslib is not there to help, it is there to control what you say, think, and keep you off subs like this one. That’s why it’s so bad, because it’s only designed to be good for feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/21 03:51 PM
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“I deleted it.” “Let me see it anyways” hands over a phone with a clearly not deleted OF account. The only person I see here that seems to think you are an idiot is your wife. Not only does she blatantly lie to your face, she gives the kind of poorly thought out lie that one would give to their grandparents knowing they are too technologically illiterate to find the truth. Just about anybody born in the last 45 years knows the difference between deleting something and archiving it. She either th…
/r/MenSupportMen02/11/21 04:14 PM
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Does having to “get around” men necessarily suggest that the men are dominant? Or does it just mean the men are sharing a space with you? I’m guessing by having to “get around” you are saying men stand in the way of what you want. Okay, but isn’t it also the case that women stand in the way of what men want? Would we even need to create a space like this if it were so easy for men to just “get around” everyone else? So does that mean women are dominant? I think the inevitable patriarchy viewpoin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/21 04:41 PM
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The idea of Men being closer to nature (much like Enkidu), is very also ancient. At least since the early Bronze Age, young boys were sent into the wild to learn survival, hunting, foraging, and endurance to suffering and starvation as a part of their warrior training. Nature itself makes warriors out of men, thus it was thought of that nature makes men out of boys, and that manliness is animalistic like forests. These associations are really what’s behind the myths of the werewolf, the shapeshi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/21 04:20 PM
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Because I am a man regardless of the amount of money I make. It’s just fucking reality, and that reality comes with obstacles that I should be aware of and consider how to change. Mfer, why are you here if the status quo is clearly how you role?
/r/MensRights30/10/21 08:47 PM
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Holy… Fucking… shit… Just make a fuck ton of money, and adhere to strict male gender roles… I’ve never thought of that in my life, you’re a genius! Thank you! Thank you kind mysterious stranger for this mind blowing advice!
/r/MensRights30/10/21 08:13 PM
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I mean, a female friend of mine who I haven’t seen since 2019, just told me her story about how someone put something in her drink on NYE, and it’s still fresh in my mind sooooo…. I’m on their side with this one. Spiking is a real problem. No one should have to fear getting drugged and raped at a club/bar, and it could happen to men too.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/21 05:15 PM
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So I have worked in the AV industry. It is an industry that skews mostly male by a massive margin, often involves lots of hard physical labor in addition to technical skills, troubleshooting, and customer service. It’s not that there aren’t women applying for the job and getting hired, they are doing both, it’s that women are not lasting for more than 1 or 2 years before quitting. So the older industry veterans are almost entirely men, the women who have been in the industry for a long time are …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 11:01 PM
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Can I address this question with more questions? Why do you suppose FDS, a group that actually hates men, is absurdly paranoid, and convinced that they will be used an abused by the vast majority of men, is still so very interested in marrying a “high-value man”, that they actually have to strategize to get this? Just think about that, why would the most self-centered women on the fucking planet obsess over this goal to the point of withholding sex until the guy puts a ring on it, if there wasn’…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 10:19 PM
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No, it’s not. Women syncing up on specific issues and specific responses, and holding these positions in the face of push back is not simply gamma bias, it’s something else entirely.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 09:59 PM
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What I’m talking about is not a left wing agenda, it’s just a pro-women agenda. It is a phalanx in the sense that they stand their ground for these these issues, they don’t actually retreat to a Bailey, they hold the line. Things like, if you ever insinuate that a woman is acting crazy, there just seems to be this massive consensus among a lot of women that this is the time you flip out and confirm the accusation. Or this unified stance that if a man ever suggests a woman is being over emotional…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/10/21 09:55 PM
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Regarding every time we point to feminism as causing or exacerbating a problem, or suppressing a solution.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 11:24 PM
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Well I guess that is one explanation for why they are chummy with each other but not you, but I’m sure in-group bias is also very present. It seems like you have two options here: 1.) Just accept it. You don’t NEED to be friends with your roommates. It would be nice if you could be, but it sounds like they are jerks and that’s out of your control. Sometimes that’s what having roommates is like, sometimes you become chummy, and other times you silently pass each other like ships in the night. Thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 06:55 PM
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So the four of them were already living together and they needed one more roommate?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 06:37 PM
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Isn’t that true with the entire movie and TV industry right now though?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 06:24 PM
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I think we men need to learn to phalanx like women do. Here is what I mean by that: a phalanx is a formation of infantry, where several rows of armored soldiers stand side-by-side, creating a wall of shields and spears. The main goal of the phalanx is defense, and to protect your neighbors. You generally don’t attack the guy in front of you when you are in a phalanx, you attack diagonally to the guy in front of your neighbors, and you must trust your neighbors are looking out for you in the same…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 06:15 PM
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Feminists see advocating for men as an attack against them.* To be fair, sometimes it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 05:29 PM
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How did you end up living with all of them? Did any of them already know each other? They sound like basic Gen-z white girls with nothing but trendy internet-fed thoughts, I don’t think you should be more prejudiced because of this, but it definitely should inform on the kind of women you’ll want to avoid. It’s entirely possible there is a racial element to the way they are treating you. When you are allowed to openly hate men, you are also allowed to be openly racist as long as you disguise it …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/10/21 05:13 PM
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For starters, they don’t care about what is true. You’re going to notice that pattern coming up a lot with feminists, the feminist narrative is more true than the truth itself to them. So they say we are misogynists because they want to have complete control over the men’s issues narrative, and they can’t have that if men are seeking out r/mensrights and LWMA for information and solidarity instead of r/Menslib. Demonizing us discourages other men from looking into what we have to say out of fear…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/10/21 03:01 PM
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You’re going to have to elaborate on why you think this sub is Gender Critical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/10/21 03:17 PM
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One of the feminist bottom lines is to prevent men from organizing into groups that aren’t controlled by feminists. It doesn’t matter what we do, they will always call any group of men that isn’t under their direct control a cesspool of right wingers. Right wingers are also further demonized to prevent to possibility of joining forces with left wing men under the banner of men’s issues, which is why we should not be shaken by the prospect of being accused of being right wingers, it plays into th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/10/21 09:28 PM
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Media production.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/21 08:32 PM
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It’s not internalized “guilt” because I’m confident that my heart is in the right place. However I am aware of where I stand in the eyes of the mainstream left because of what I believe. So yeah, I do feel reluctant to announce that I support men’s issues, but that’s not because of I’m guilt, it’s fear. I am afraid I will lose my social standing, my job, and my future. All of that can be stripped away in an instant to slander, if the wrong person found out my beliefs and wanted to hurt me becaus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/21 04:37 PM
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That’s so great! I had a bonding moment like that with my partner of six years. I didn’t really talk about men’s issues very much with her at all at first, I would avoid it because I wasn’t sure where she stood. One time we were listening to a podcast together, and they casually brought up toxic masculinity, and she paused it to ask me what I think about toxic masculinity. I cautiously gathered my thoughts, gave her the official definition of the phrase and how people claim to use it, it’s histo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/21 04:23 PM
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I hate any sort of role or cultural norm that presupposes my role is to readily offer myself up to the meat grinder of civilization for the benefit the collective or for the concept of “women.” Any sort of reference that I should be ready to dispose of myself for the “greater good” whether that be for any random person’s protection or for the military when they need fresh bodies to throw at another country’s men, I hate. I hate the notion that my value is only as good as how much money I bring t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/21 04:44 PM
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I think in their minds AI and Robotics will fill the labor vacuum. But first they have to wait for men to invent better robots before they dispose of all of them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/10/21 04:30 PM
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I can answer that. It became about oppression olympics because the intersectional model went from helping black women seeking fair treatment in the workplace to becoming the model for figuring out who is fair game to attack and/or discriminate against, and what labels you should give yourself in order to receive maximum protections and virtue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/21 03:31 PM
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You literally just said they will be shunned and shamed if they don’t do it and you seriously need to ask why they would want do it? “My roommate says, “I’m going to take a shower and shave. Does anyone need to use the bathroom?” It’s like some weird quiz where he reveals the answer first.” -Mitch Hedberg
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/21 03:16 PM
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We are witnessing Feminism transition from a revolutionary idea to the status quo, and as it merges with the sentiments of the ruling class, it naturally becomes more conservative. Conservatism holds control over people through keeping them in constant states of fear of “the other”, so does status quo feminism. The old garde of colonialism divided people into labeled categories to keep them from identifying with other groups of people and joining together under a common cause. So does status quo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 07:25 PM
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I’m starting to feel like there might be a silver lining to less men going to college. People are getting into debt so they can go to college to become stupider than when they arrived. I don’t know what the future is going to hold for high education, but I do kind of find solace in the thought that the men not going to college will be spared of radicalization, abusive groups, and false accusations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 04:18 PM
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Voldemort.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 04:12 PM
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I had some friends who posted stuff like this on Facebook (although I would argue this is worse), I ignored it but I also started ignoring our friendship altogether. We don’t hang out anymore, and I’m cool with this.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 04:18 PM
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“The essence of masculinity is the preparation for disposability.” Fuuuuuuuck, it’s staggering how succinctly accurate that is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/21 03:36 PM
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I am, but not political content.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/09/21 02:38 PM
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I knew Laci wouldn’t be very confrontational, because they probably wouldn’t even agree to do the interview if she plays actually hardball with them. I’m assuming the FDS founders think laci is a “pick me-ass bitch”, and Laci is probably far more critical of them than she lets on, so there was probably tension between them. That being said, I’m still a bit disappointed with how agreeable laci seemed, and how softball her questions were. She didn’t even ask them to unpack the phrase “pick meisha”…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/21 03:59 PM
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As you weather the emotional whirlwind, just know that you did the right thing. Sometimes your subconscious just makes you save yourself because blurting out the truth like that. What you describe is mortifying but also very real to me as that is my parents relationship in a nutshell. It’s a new beginning now, yeah it might seem like your life is in a mess now, your future can now entangle itself from that woman and go somewhere much better. Focus on your doggo right now, almost as a mindfulness…
/r/MenSupportMen27/09/21 02:24 AM
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Right, feminists like to pretend they are the brain of a hivemind that that all women are a part of. It’s all just puffery.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 05:57 PM
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No, there are definitely leftist women who are sympathetic to men’s issues, my partner is one of them. The thing is, they tend to have to keep these opinions on the DL or risk being shunned by their peers, much like us, so they are much less visible then the leftist women who toe the line of feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 05:53 PM
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It does! It’s not precisely what I was looking for, which was research on on how each gender reacts to the physical sight of a person in distress, rather than self-assessment of how they would help in abstract situations on paper; but this does shed some light on the question. Thank you! It would be interesting to see further research on this, especially research that adds a self-preservation element, where they must choose between giving priority to protecting themselves vs protecting someone e…
/r/Male_Studies25/09/21 05:10 PM
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It’s not that fear is a female coded emotion, but that feminism has started a mainstream trend of women monopolizing victimhood of any kind. Whatever women are victims of, men cannot also be victims of. Victimhood has become a zero sum competition.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/09/21 02:45 PM
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I’m beginning to suspect this scorched earth policy is a strategy, and the creation of more backlash is the point. Since patriarchy doesn’t actually exist, feminism desperately needs opponents to fight in order to justify its existence. Anti-male aggression and hostility creates anti-feminists and even misogynist, and if their opposition is always being manufactured, then they will also have a boogie man to point to and say “See? The patriarchy is real! That’s why we need more feminism!”
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 09:01 PM
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Ironically, the idea of “a woman who is better than a man” is also a popular fantasy with women that we are seeing a lot of today. The bumbling dad trope exists specially to make the ultra-competent mom trope seem all the more perfect. In this kind of fantasy, it’s not enough that women are heroic, strong, and competent, the men must also be villainous, weak, and foolish. I too, find such narratives tiresome.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 08:24 PM
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Right, but I don’t think anyone is actually surprised by this. It’s all about optics and scoring virtue points. Advocating visibility for PoC makes you look like a hero, advocating for male visibility makes you look like an MRA and therefor Satan.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 07:38 PM
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What makes me nervous of this is that the word “Misogyny” has drifted so far from its original meaning. Literally any statement that can potentially cast women or a woman in a negative light is called misogyny now-a-days. You can’t even suggest there are problematic heteronormative gender roles and expectations on the women’s side of the fence without getting accused of misogyny. All the while encouraging literal hatred of men is perfectly legitimate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 07:35 PM
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Soooooo, why exactly would a female James Bond be better anyway? She is calling James Bond a Chauvinist because he is a womanizer right? Even if you did make the female equivalent of that she wouldn’t be seen as bad because of the double standard. A lady-killer is a chauvinist, but a man-eater is progressive and empowering.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 07:29 PM
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I think there were several reasons. I agree that enriching defense contractors and securing oil were definitely motivations, but not the sole motivating factors. They claimed it was about pushing out the taliban and trying to create a capitalist friendly stable democracy, which to a certain degree is sort of truish. But I think the purpose of creating said stable government was less about this altruistic desire to spread freedom and more about creating a client state that gives the US a firm foo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 07:20 PM
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I think at the end of the day, there is an agenda to ramp up feminist indoctrination in all educational institutions. I’m pretty sure they already know “teach men not to crime” is not going to stop crime, but that doesn’t really matter because the point of this rhetoric is to use tragedy as a lever to strengthen their grip on educational institutions and pour more feminist propaganda into them. It’s always the means justifies the ends with feminists, it doesn’t matter that they are wrong about a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 04:47 PM
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Framing the Afghan war as being about protecting Afghan woman’s rights had actually been the Bush administration’s PR strategy for justifying the war since the beginning of the occupation. It’s funny, they all call baby Bush a war criminal now, but they are still clearly still pushing his administration’s war propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 04:32 PM
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Never said it did. No need to get defensive over me thinking there are woman’s rights that needed to be fought for, if you are an egalitarian you should agree with that sentiment. I’m not trying to hint that feminists are justified in every thing they do, I’m just saying woman’s rights are important, which they are. You can relax.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/09/21 12:39 AM
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There is something else happening here, namely power is what is happening. Over the last several decades Feminism has embedded itself in academia where it now has stronghold. To give credit back to feminism, it hasn’t all been trash, there are definitely woman’s right battles that have needed to be fought, still need to be fought, and lessons from those battles needed to be learned. It’s really when they tack on the “theory” and the ideological cultural engineering, especially the radical shit, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 06:36 PM
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Probably these girls you’re talking about are immature and have never needed to approach a guy they like in their lives. So they can’t even imagine what that must be like let alone empathize with how it feels to be rejected with cruelty. Combine that with today’s cultural climate where girls are being told that being asked out by a guy they aren’t thrilled about is tantamount to harassment and you end up with a bunch of self-absorbed women who think they are entitled to kick a man when he is dow…
/r/MenSupportMen22/09/21 04:18 PM
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It perpetuates the mentality to even frame the situation as “not all incels are bad, right?” OF COURSE it’s only a tiny percentage that’s actually bad! It shouldn’t even be a question, it should be obvious. When we say bad, we’re talking like Elliot Rogers here, right? It is absurd to suggest a person is probably on the level of a spree killer just because they have been deprived of sex and romance. Many murderers, or criminals of other sorts, were abused as children. Does that mean it makes sen…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/09/21 02:51 PM
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Just so you know OP, there was a poll on r/mensrights some time ago and it most of the users who polled identified themselves a leftists, I think it was about 60%. Someone correct me if I’m wrong. (Edit: I was in fact corrected, see the survey in the responses for details.) I think you should seriously question this thing you are telling yourself (and others), that you don’t like MRAs. I used to think like that as well, until I noticed this kind of thinking is only useful for driving a wedge bet…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 04:37 PM
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That’s pretty much it. I would argue the point of Menslib is to keep men, namely leftist men who are concerned about men’s issues, away from r/mensrights and LWMA, and focused on their internal problems instead of looking toward the external factors that cause these problems to arise. It’s like they want to take men walking toward a door labeled “Men’s advocates”, and then spin them around a bunch of times until they can’t remember what direction they were moving toward again.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 03:36 PM
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There is no such thing as just having universal “privilege” Privilege isn’t one thing, there are many privileges that a person could potentially have. Wealth is arguably the biggest privilege of them all, so it is possible to be lacking in privilege in some respects, while having access to a very substantial privilege like wealth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 03:12 PM
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