Anyone else feel conflicted about voting left due to how dismissive and condescending the discourse on men has become? Men are unfairly reduced to violent, unemotional providers, with no space to address their issues. While I oppose conservative policies, this still frustrates me.

_name_of_the_user_ · 2024-10-11T13:42:07+00:00

There's more to left wing politics than gender politics. Social safety nets, systems level thinking, health care, environment, job creation, economics, education, workers rights, capital gains taxes, voting reform... These are all things I care about and the left does better than the right. On gender issues the left is no worse than the right, just in different ways.

SomeSugondeseGuy · 2024-10-11T14:07:40+00:00

I'm American so definitely not in this election. I'm voting left.

Though I do agree, I've been very disgruntled with the left's treatment of men. Except that I'm also disgruntled with the right for that same reason.

The left demonizes men.

The right pretends to like them, but only so far that they can milk them for votes. And with how little men get in that regard, a lot of them cling to that.

LucastheMystic · 2024-10-11T16:25:08+00:00

There's not really a Left to vote for in America, but I'm voting Blue, because Trump will be a nightmare

Glarus30 · 2024-10-11T13:01:20+00:00

No point, the republicans don't do shit either and every republican presidency in my lifetime has ended with a recession.

Men_And_The_Election · 2024-10-11T14:36:29+00:00

Yes I definitely feel conflicted. In fact, I wrote a book called “How Democrats Can Win Back Men,” but the original title was “A Man Without a Party” for the reason you feel conflicted. Neither party is taking a deep and honest look at men’s issues.

WeEatBabies · 2024-10-11T17:07:03+00:00

They are not leftists, I've been saying it for years!

They are female supremacists!

Delicious-Tea-6718 · 2024-10-11T09:17:30+00:00

I don't envy the American choice, but the left here in Scandinavia isn't much better. But at least we have more parties to choose from.

But voting isn't as straight and easy to make as it used to. I might go with the boring old social Democrats.

If I was American I'd probably go for Harris even though I don't like her, trump is worse

ElementalChicken · 2024-10-11T10:20:55+00:00

I believe a lot of lefties are indeed dismissive to the male plight, but the people that I have seen supporting men on the most fundamental level are usually on the left. I believe more people are willing to listen there.

Sebatron2 · 2024-10-11T17:09:42+00:00

As a Canadian, I'm parking my vote with the NDP. Because the LPC and CPC are worse, especially the CPC.

That_Phony_King · 2024-10-11T13:45:15+00:00

Not conflicted at all.

Trump is a horrible choice for the United States.

YetAgain67 · 2024-10-11T11:58:36+00:00

No. Not conflicted at all.

Grand-Juggernaut6937 · 2024-10-11T21:58:50+00:00

Oh I’m not voting left. I agree with most liberal values but there’s no way I’m voting for my own subjugation.

I’m a one issue voter now. If you want my vote don’t be a bigot. Unfortunately it’s that simple and neither side can figure it out

Nochnichtvergeben · 2024-10-11T10:16:19+00:00

I can't vote (I'm a foreigner where I live) but if I could I would still vote left. However, I would check to see if the "left" politicians actually are what I consider "left" and if they fulfil certain criteria.

If they only play identity politics but support rightwing economic policies I wouldn't vote for them.

Overal I still politically have more in common with (for lack of a better word) "woke" politicians than I do with conservatives or liberals (in the European sense).

KampilanSword · 2024-10-11T13:17:07+00:00

Liberal isn't left lol

jabberwockxeno · 2024-10-11T16:54:46+00:00

As reductive as a lot of discussions around social inequity can be when gender is involved, it's at least cognizant of the dynamics involved and wants to address them at least in theory, wheras the right just wants to entrench existing norms and will shit on and not support men if they don't fit into their narrow idea of what "being a man" is.

VexerVexed · 2024-10-11T17:05:34+00:00

Not a single bit

dadijo2002 · 2024-10-11T14:17:16+00:00

I’m not American, but I personally find the right wing is a much worse choice and that that sort of rhetoric on the left wing isn’t really perpetuated by the majority of people, so voting left seems like a fine choice to me.

Squeek-Floof · 2024-10-11T15:51:45+00:00

Im a European american in Europe, Im not voting for Kamala because she is in the pocket of the private prison industry and she is endorsed by dick Cheyne and his daughter. No thanks private prison military war mongering neocons.

helloiseeyou2020 · 2024-10-11T15:43:28+00:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The right is objectively worse for men unless you're rich, and even then you gotta be a particular type of rich. Right wing policies worsen mens' lives and often literally end them.

Yes, the leftie rhetoric about men is disgusting. That still doesn't hurt men as much as the dissolution of what few social services are available to them and increased incarceration. So get over your hurt feelings and plug your nose as you head to the polls; looking out for men is and has always been a pragmatic exercise.

clear349 · 2024-10-11T11:52:52+00:00

Hell no. Male issues need a bit more attention but the right wing is and has always been selling snake oil. Trump is worse for men. And this isn't even touching on the threat Trump poses to women, Trans people, immigrants, minorities, etc. I cannot in good conscience do something that would harm those people

welcometothejl · 2024-10-11T10:49:14+00:00

What has Kamala or the Democrats proposed? Basically things that will require more taxes to operate, and help everyone but me. If Harris wants my vote, she needs to speak directly to men.

Trump said he would eliminate taxes on overtime. That's like half my yearly pay. That would unlock a lot of opportunities for me. Do I think he'll get it done? Honestly, no, but it is something to vote for. And who knows, maybe it would be used as a bargaining chip for OT to have a lower percentage taxed.

MAGAManLegends3 · 2024-10-12T14:48:27+00:00

I've never voted left/dem in America {lol just dig the name!} because they not only do that but their extremes are far more fascist bootlicky than their equivalent!

For all their talk of "defund the police" who is the most likely to run to them for protection over the slightest microaggression?

But if you were to give me a survey of any sort I would have been part of the "pink wave" in South America.... Or just look at my bookshelf with writings from Miguel Angel Asturias, son Rodrigo, Camilo Torres, or Nestor Makhno, and check out mt poster of Luis Turcios Lima while you're at it😋

So I find way more in common with the AnCaps, Hoteps, and sovereigns who want to put every precinct to the torch and execute cop/fedboy families in the street. As any true central American revolutionary of upstanding morals would do!

The only US politicos I feel good about thus far are Ilhan Omar and Ajamu Baraka, neither of which the establishment would allow past the primaries, heck just look how Bernie went!😖

Senator_Pie · 2024-10-11T12:51:13+00:00

I'm struggling to see what policies the federal government could employ that would uniquely help men, aside from eliminating the draft. I think the most effective help is going to come from cultural shifts and local governments considering things like men-only spaces, unfair treatment from law enforcement and the justice system, etc.

flapado · 2024-10-11T14:40:32+00:00

Honestly, I'm having a problem voting period this election

flaumo · 2024-10-11T09:09:58+00:00

You honestly think conservatives want to help men and male victims? They say you have to deal with this on your own, and it‘s your fault.

Speedy_KQ · 2024-10-11T12:59:45+00:00

If Trump wasn't the republican candidate, I'd be torn as to which party to vote for. I've always been a lefty but I'm just disgusted with the current focus on identity politics.

But voting for Trump is a total non-starter. He's an objectively terrible human being.

bIuemickey · 2024-10-11T16:35:59+00:00

Yea and the censorship.

usually00 · 2024-10-11T15:08:36+00:00

Canadian here. Left wing politics seem to be the only one supporting men. Investing in healthcare & social programs are two big examples. I feel that conservative pretend to champion men's rights, but all they do is highlight a few clips of deranged self proclaimed feminists spitting on men. They don't actually attempt to do anything to help men. None of these clips represent how left wing people even think en masse.

Fickle-Cartoonist466 · 2024-10-11T20:59:45+00:00

I've said it many times before:

We're currently witnessing a fundamental transformative shift in the culture of the American political parties. It's no longer Democrats versus Republicans. It's the classical imperialistic Democratic-Republican Neoconservative/Neoliberal coalition versus the new reactionary MAGA Trumpism Republicans.

And the Culture War keeps the voters, the workers, the people, divided against each other.

There's not really any good options. I've heard it said, "liberalism is the shield of the Empire and fascism is the sword." You can vote for the left hand or the right but they're attached to the same body.

DEANPRIME91 · 2024-10-12T02:33:25+00:00

If I was American Id still vote the left. It's the better option between the two

MonkeyCartridge · 2024-10-12T04:03:02+00:00

I mean kind of, but it's still a super easy decision, especially this year, where men are represented in 2 different ways with Trump/Vance and Walz. Trump/Vance would represent men as some egotistical cultish force out to control women. Walz puts a brighter, friendlier face on men in relation to a woman's presidential bid. I think, even if they don't tackle men's issues directly, their policies are much more likely to benefit men.

But yes, I'm definitely picky. Since I wasn't in a swing state, I didn't vote for Clinton in 2016, but Jill Stein. Clinton was godawful and had much more of a "men owe me" attitude, while painting all of her opponents as sexists.

JustCallMeFrij · 2024-10-12T06:03:48+00:00

Any conflict or discontent I feel towards voting for imperfect or bad left-wing candidates always fails to outweigh the bat shit crazy science denialism and authoritarianism displayed by any right wing candidate. It makes me want to get involved locally myself but it always comes back to would I rather work on myself and my own endeavors or dip my toe into politics. The latter is never attractive enough

Professional-You2968 · 2024-10-12T06:20:56+00:00

In my country I don't see a real left anymore, no one is talking about workers protection.

People that consider themselves lefties are worshipping corporations diversity programs instead of throwing rocks at them for dividing the workforce into segments that can't tolerate each other and thus will not form workers associations that easily anymore.

It's so sad to see these people complaining about their crushing work and life conditions and then be happy for DEI programs and not be able to make the connection.

Karglenoofus · 2024-10-12T21:26:27+00:00

Nope. Republicans are fucking evil and I'm choosing the obvious lesser.

WesterosiAssassin · 2024-10-13T16:45:34+00:00

Not over that, while the American 'left' definitely isn't good on men's issues it's less the actual politicians or people in power who are the problem and more the culture. The Democrats' continued support for Israel is what has me conflicted over voting for them, but I still probably will unless they do anything even worse than what they've bene doing in the next month.

Material-Dark-6506 · 2024-10-14T04:23:12+00:00

I get it. I’ve really had to fight the “fuck it I’m voting for Trump” feelings. Some of my buddies that are hippies/ liberal/ super pro Palestine have been talking about voting for him. It’s a really depressing choice this election.

BloomingBrains · 2024-10-16T20:19:28+00:00

The left as a political concept? No. The American Democrat party? Yes.

Voting blue is just voting for corporate crony capitalism with a nicer coat of paint over it. Their adoption of radical gender politics is just a smokescreen for the fact that they want to put their bootheels on our necks just like Republicans do. The American left is no longer liberal. Biden was the perfect example: he was in office for 4 years and the housing crisis has only gotten worse since then. Or look at the 2016 election with Hillary Clinton, who was literally bought and paid for by Goldman-Sachs. You either don't see blue politicians talking about actual left wing economics, and when you do, its all lies to garner support--and nothing ever actually comes from it.

When it comes to the state level, things are a little better but still basically a crapshoot. Governor Walls set up rent control here in Minesota so there is actually affordable housing, and we have paved roads. Meanwhile, California is a hellhole of unaffordable housing and roads covered in potholes even though it is also a blue state.

Training-Champion988 · 2024-10-20T23:56:17+00:00

Personally, I'm too young to vote, but if I could, I would still absolutely vote democrat (not like I expect actual change or anything, I just don't want Trump). Nevertheless, the way the media addresses men not voting democrat this election pains me to my core, especially since the articles they make on it show the exact reason: the fact that they do not address men's issues. In the articles I looked at, not a single one mentioned "oh maybe we should stop demonizing men." Instead, as expected, they just repeated the word "misogyny" throughout the articles. While yes, misogyny certainly has some impact, there's another major factor that democrats can actually tackle, and it's the way they ignore men's issues and generally just view men.

jkozuch · 2024-10-11T13:10:08+00:00

Canadian here. I’ve stopped voting left for this reason (among others).

That side loves to talk about equality but isn’t doing much to advance it.

When they start taking the challenges we face more seriously, maybe I’ll reconsider.

Nihi1986 · 2024-10-11T12:19:05+00:00

Yeah, sometimes, honestly...but still, if I put on a balance the dangers...feminism is so big nobody goes against it, so it doesn't seem to make a difference in that sense, might as wel vote left for their other politics.

Edit: not American.

Skirt_Douglas · 2024-10-11T15:35:35+00:00

Not really, I still think Trump and project 2025 is a much bigger problem.

Socalgardenerinneed · 2024-10-11T14:18:18+00:00

Not since Jan 6th.

Theryguy71992 · 2024-10-11T16:45:27+00:00

Totally agreed, but with this election it’s a no brainer. The MAGA version of “conservatism” is awful for men as well

johnnycarrotheid · 2024-10-11T23:55:31+00:00

I'm Working Class (UK).

Left wing political parties lost us a long time ago.

Make it harder to live. Force people onto Benefits (Welfare) to survive. Promise more Benefits (Welfare) if elected. Left-Wing Parties in the UK.

Asan example,if living dependant on Benefits, you don't qualify for a mortgage. Mortgage costs less than Rent. Govt will "Help" pay your rent.

Left has people down, and kept down So people have left them.

Look at Labour in the UK.

MAGAManLegends3 · 2024-10-12T14:41:44+00:00

I've never voted left/dem in America {lol just dig the name!} because they not only do that but their extremes are far more fascist bootlicky than their equivalent!

For all their talk of "defund the police" who is the most likely to run to them for protection over the slightest microaggression?

But if you were to give me a survey of any sort I would have been part of the "pink wave" in South America.... Or just look at my bookshelf with writings from Miguel Angel Asturias, son Rodrigo, Camilo Torres, or Nestor Makhno, and check out mt poster of Luis Turcios Lima while you're at it😋

So I find way more in common with the AnCaps, Hoteps, and sovereigns who want to put every precinct to the torch and execute cop/fedboy families in the street. As any true central American revolutionary of upstanding morals would do!

SarcasticallyCandour · 2024-10-11T13:49:29+00:00

If i was American i would vote trump, to shock the left to wake tf up.

Theres no doubt theres an awareness on left and right that large numbers of male voters are shifting right. [Remember the uni prof who said men eho dont vote Kamala should be lime up and shot?] That could be a good thing if the left sees why (beyond the feminist default of " they dont like male privilege being lost ", "theyre all sexist " etc.). But the reasons imo are the anti maleness of the modern left, and the unending pampering of women especially middle-class white women that comes from the left. Supporting DEI, special female only quotas, scholarships, grants, stipends etc all over academia and government jobs. Shutting down of boys spaces (boy scouts etc) while not women's. Thenxwe have UN ignoring boys being trafficked or UN Women calling IMD sexist. Not to mention the bile feminism shows toward possible programnes for boys in school or to encourage boys into HEAL careers. This is leftist ideology. If you support men and boys you are the Devil.

Theres no doubt feminism is not about equality but female privilege. And if we look at whos funding it, its leftist governments. So i would vote trump to get something kickstarted, continuing to vote left if your male is going to bury male issues, but shifting could get the left to take this shift seriously.

Firelite67 · 2024-10-11T15:46:24+00:00

Two party systems by nature mean you eventually have to vote for minor human rights violations in order to keep the country from spontaneously combusting.

ranting80 · 2024-10-11T13:54:41+00:00

It doesn't make a difference who you vote for. I'm 44. Can't wait for the youth to finally figure that out so we can stop watching the geriatric olympics.

DeeLowZee · 2024-10-11T19:44:11+00:00

Unfortunately the other side is just so much worse on pretty much everything. I'm no fan of Harris, but Trump is a deal-breaker. Both figuratively and literally. While I would prefer a nice steak, if my only two options are human waste on a plate or mac and cheese I'm gonna have to go with the one that won't make me sick.

dr_pepper02 · 2024-10-11T23:52:25+00:00

No because right now the alternative is much worse.

Just like in 2016 when Sanders lost the nomination and some on the left said they weren’t going to vote and would sit out the election.

Despite being told it was in the best interest of all of us to keep Trump out of office, and to vote for Clinton, many did not, then shocked they were when trump &co started going after causes important to them.

If we support “leftist” ideas and principles then we need to stand by those even if we’re aren’t directly the or the immediate beneficiary.

Feminists on the other hand will complain about patriarchy but silent when those very ideas they benefit from.

But it’s also time for men on the left to start standing up for men and not let feminists dictate what issues we’re allowed to speak on and how.

Speaking up for men’s issues doesn’t require the dismissal or trashing of others like we see with feminists.

IntrepidDifference84 · 2024-10-11T11:58:36+00:00

Vote green

Ossevir · 2024-10-11T19:38:07+00:00

Gender bullshit is only a real issue for the terminally online left. People in real life don't feel or think that way.

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