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Frankly I call bullshit. Asking for a source on a big claim is not an act if hostilirt thag needs justification. The whole reason gender ideology is a complete disaster now is decades upon decades of people making bold claims and treating a request for evidence as an attack (so they don't have to prodice it) This place should be above that kind of reaction, because it is identical to the classic defensiveness of third wave feminism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/26 12:29 PM
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Right And I dont subscribe to conspiracy theories. I do think tbe sub was started with a genuine heart. But its priorities are out of whack and it's a damn shame because, tbh, when a truly deep discussion gets going they run laps around this place and its often shallow outrage circlejerks. But they will always be haunted by censorship of tipics necessary for men's liberation and for that reason I'm out on them. They tried to do exactly what we did when LWMA was created with pro-statud quo guardr…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 10:31 PM
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They sometimes have greay discussions. At its best, however, MensLib is an incomplete movement. Issues below: They engage in overt censorship of certain types of wrongthink, such as any criticism whatsoever of feminism no matter how well-rounded or what facts are brought to the table. Likewise, any criticism of women and their contributions to society, gender roles, etc is a dense minefield. It's technically something you can do if careful enough but the abundance of caution required stifles any…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/26 04:09 PM
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You know what - that's fair enough and I apologize. I took your joke seriously, which is on me. In my defense we get a lot of bad faith visitors (usually soft-c right wingers and/or feminists) making those sort of arguments with a stone face, so I've become calloused to humor on the topic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 07:23 PM
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Oh come on now. Dyed in the wool anti-feminism is a tree rooted in the right wing. It's the entire reason making points against feminism is so difficult to do in general and in particular from within leftist spaces. Saying "what we're actually talking about isn't the point" and then dragging it into the abstract to try to diffuse the blame elsewhere for the sake of taking a cheap shot at the left is nothing more than sophistry But sure go on and tell me all about how consistent the right wing ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 06:25 PM
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...? My issue was the blind, debased of nuance, frothing of mouth all over this thread merely because of the mention of feminism. Regardless of what the feminists in question are doing, or y'know, the very purpose of this thread. "Brain turn off now" raging about feminism at every mention regardless of context is absolutely not a leftist issue. It's a right wing issue that poisons our sub in a regular basis.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/26 06:05 PM
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It's even worse here because this is something we should cheer for. It's a feminist group that is trying to cut the bullshit and help men with something other than superficial shit like painting their nails or venting. The feminists who made this group clearly had nothing to do with bullshit some feminists did almost 50 years ago. They probably still subscribe to patriarchy theory, but who gives a shit? They clearly don't go for the usual apex fallacies that third wave feminism clings to, which …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/26 11:55 PM
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This is an unbelievably inane comment. No, "they" did not make the Duluth Model. Ellen Pence and her merry band of charlatans did. Probably before the people in this organization were even born.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/26 01:07 PM
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The algorithim feeds you things it expects to piss you off. How much you see of something is not indicative of how prevalent it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/26 01:08 PM
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Conservatives would absolutely not make immigration super easy for women and children if they're coming from places like Haiti, Afeica, Central America, or Mexico. You went a touch too far with that remark. But you're right that there is a lot of misandry cross-pollinated in xenophobia (importantly, also racism).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/01/26 07:11 PM
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I'd like to see our community look past that and add their sub on sidebar regardless. TinMen is hands down one of the best fact-based resources for men's issues and this community is worse without the content tbh. Back when every TM post came here like clockwork there were really involved conversations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/11/25 02:32 AM
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You're missing my point. I care because I have a sense of justice I care too. I want those apps shut down. But do you care so much that you live in fear of their very existence and need to dedicate time with your therapist to unraveling your woes about it? Immense worry about things that are very unlikely to happen is very much disordered thinking.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/25 05:01 PM
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Thanks for bringing this in. Too much pearl clutching in here. Abuse registries absolutely matter. There are many fields of work that use them to screen potential employees who would have access to vulnerable people or other opportunities to abuse. Also, importantly, sex offenders have very high recidivism. It's no different than criminal record checks. But a progressive daycare might be willing to hire a custodian whose criminal record includes one petty larceny mistake from a decade ago... and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/25 04:22 PM
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First of all it should be noted that you are allowed to fire a therapist. If it is a bad fit and they are adding to your malaise, get a new one. Second, she IS correct that you're very unlikely to end up on one of those apps. They're bullshit apps protected by bullshit thinking from bullshit people, but why is it weighing on you so much that you needed to bring it up in a therapy session? Did younhave a recent ugly breakup? Do you personally know women who use the apps and might put you on there…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/11/25 04:10 PM
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Are you ever going to respond to the Duluth Model thread? If not, did you at least read the responses?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 02:31 AM
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"Debating feminism" is the completely wrong goal. "Advocating for men's issues, rights, and better lives" is the goal. Inevitably, you will at times have to debate feminist talking points or philosophies. But that should be a symptom of your priorities - NOT your priority in itself. If you do literally nothing but complain about feminists and feminism, introducing no other discussion topics or advocacy for men, you are doing it completely wrong
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/25 01:24 AM
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I fully agree. But let's discuss in realistic terms: If war breaks out with this new Axis 2.0 that is forming, do you actually believe that the draft won't be activated? There has never been any urgency whatsoever to eliminate the draft. Not after WW2, nor the incredibly unpopular Vietnam campaign, and not even after the USSR collapsed and decades of solidified homefront peace ensued. Ask yourself why that is. (The answer is because they can get away with it, because no one cares, because it aff…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/25 05:38 PM
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So you haven't even seen the movie but are leaping to conclusions about its themes? This might as well be a MovieChat post asking "Is it woke???"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/25 05:12 PM
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Obviously that is the actual goal. However, the world is the closest to true world war posturing it has been since the 60s. If it is conscription for all or conscription for men only, in a time of saber rattling, there is very obviously only one pro-equality move. Fuck the military industrial complex. That being said you can't expect another generation of men to be culled by war for "the greater good" and then start talking about equality. Also I hate to say it, but women being on the draft is f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/25 05:32 PM
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As a gesture of good faith I request that you come back and engage. There is no shortage of strong, informative replies here and 99% of feminists guests asking about men's issues do a driveby OP and then never come back
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/25 08:28 PM
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While that is all quite correct, justify for me the requirement to have separate criminal code laws and punishments for femicide. Furthermore my understanding is that this Italian legislation is speeking to specifically define femicide as killing a woman specifically for being a woman, which is a rare occurrence and this whole thing reeks of a pasta-eating extension of Duluth Model feminism Homicide covers all killing of a human by one or more other humans. All are considered equally bad, more o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/25 12:00 PM
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Thank you for being the only person on this thread arguing with any damn sense.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 11:54 AM
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Reasonable doubt does not mean "the accusation was false". What a fundamentally illiterate perspective on law. Modern western justice demands that if there is even 1% of doubt of guilt in the mind of judiciary power, the person must be acquitted of their charges. That does not mean "the charge was false" and in fsct it doesn't even mean "the charge was PROBABLY false". OJ Simpson was found not guilty. He fucking did it and everyone knows it. There is a Pacific Ocean-sized gulf between not guilty…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/25 11:51 AM
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The bigoted and gender essentialist things this person felt comfortable saying about boys and men - and the fact that they were completely right to feel comfortable saying them - are stunningly despicable. Overshadowed by that is the shocking lack of discussing the unmet needs of boys and young men as problems in of themselves. Absolutely everything is framed by how it affects women. She talks about young men like they are subhuman. It feels as though the Econ had undeniable trends to write abou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/25 07:56 PM
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tradcons, they think women are always innocent and deserve protection from men. Well, more like they think they are simpletons that need protection, but same thing. Here's the thing. Your remarks are generally accurate, and great for rage engagement. But the point of my question is to underline the explicit (not IMplicit) bigotry of the policy. Misandry has undergirded most of history, as has misogyny until recently. But this was typically in insidious fashions that ultimately boil down to class…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/25 06:39 PM
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How in God's name can the UK indulge such overt bigotry in its policy? This should be quite easy to raise hell over through letter-writing and formal complaints. This is like if the USA had begun its life with hypothetical equality for both African and European immigrants, then started introducing its horrors of racist policy one at a time. It is easy to slow-roll progress toward equality, but much harder to justify erecting new and explicitly unequal bigoted policies.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/25 09:39 AM
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They're so close. So god damned close. Replace women with people and you have the right idea. Don't let the gender war algorithim trick you into thinking this is a bad idea. This is an excellent left-wing position, it's just being pitched as a deluxe benefit for women instead of a proper unilateral policy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/05/25 09:30 AM
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Comparing the term to nagging is brilliant. Surprised I haven't seen that before.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/25 09:47 AM
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You're disgusting. How dare you take this man's horrific trauma and try to turn it into a feminist soapbox. Here's a newsflash for you to get through your dome, the idea that men cannot be victims and doubly cannot be victims of women is very much enforced by feminism. Now I feel you wringing yourself in knots like a sponge. What I say couldnt possibly be the case. It's just the patriarchy!!! Feminism has never suppressed the rights of men or their rightful consideration and empathy when they ar…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/25 12:42 AM
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It's the most perfect neoliberal white feminist bullshit I could ever imagine to celebrate that now women, too, get to be made disgustingly wealthy by dropping thousands of bombs on brown people. Somehow not the onion....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 10:53 PM
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So where's the dialogue? You haven't responded to a single comment. Not one.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/02/25 01:59 AM
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First, and foremost, and most importantly... I'm truly sorry for what you've experienced. It is a travesty and I hope you're well on your path to healing. Such threats in your DMs are a lesser wound but still unacceptable - a fact so obvious that typing it at all feels trite. Second. If you want to truly understand why so manyen have a deeply cynical skepticism toward feminism and internet feminists in particular, go read your own r/feminism post where you tried to start a dialogue. Read the thi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/02/25 11:28 PM
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Hell yeah. Actual, REAL advocacy. Well done!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/25 11:38 PM
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Which feminist branch are you talking about? Because other than the most liberal of classical feminism, little of the theory I studied in college truly advocates for the abolition of gender roles for men. Feminist theory focuses almost exclusively on the liberation and enrichment of women. Even the kindest writings I've seen tend to talk about benefits men may receive in an equal society as pleasant side effects of women's liberation - not as goals or important things in their own right. You'll …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 10:24 PM
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Of all the dichotomies this is the falsest. I think liberating men from rigid gender roles is critically important. I also fundamentally disagree that this set of priorities "builds on feminism". What I have observed in mainstream, feminist activism, and even much of academic feminism is that men are very much expected to adhere to their traditional shackles. The "liberation" tends to be about trivial bullshit like painting your nails. A de facto assumption that men have both equal right and equ…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/24 10:19 PM
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The fact that you go straight to assuming I'm a woman and questioning my right to be here just because I disagree with you says a whole heck of a lot about you, none of it flattering. I'm a man, thanks - AMAB and everything. I'm also definitely not a feminist, before you go tugging that thread. What now? Finally, with all due respect, you can stop it with the self-victimized whinging about me being "frigid" considering you started this conversation by insulting my intelligence.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 04:56 PM
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My lack of exposure to fringe takes of the terminally online says precisely jack shit about my level of "knowledge", but thanks anyway
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 12:35 PM
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I've never once seen this sentiment. Are you referring to a couple of idiots on social media, or what
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/24 11:46 AM
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I said -IF- she delivers. I made no guarantees that she will. She's still better than Trump by a landslide so might as well be optimistic until she fails and then hold her accountable. Black men even being talked about in leftist discourse separately and without women somehow being leveraged onto a Higher Victim Pedestal is meaningful progress all on its own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 11:29 PM
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This isn't minimal progress though. Not if she delivers on these promises. Not destroying the lives of black men over fucking weed alone will hit the issues they face with overpolicing and disproportionate incarceration like a meteor.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/24 06:55 PM
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Yep, one of many ways the classical male gender role lives on. It's shit but it is what it is. All O can do is hope the glacial changes in progressive talk continue to slide in tbe right direction
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/10/24 04:13 AM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The right is objectively worse for men unless you're rich, and even then you gotta be a particular type of rich. Right wing policies worsen mens' lives and often literally end them. Yes, the leftie rhetoric about men is disgusting. That still doesn't hurt men as much as the dissolution of what few social services are available to them and increased incarceration. So get over your hurt feelings and plug your nose as you head to the polls; looking out for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/10/24 03:43 PM
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I really don't like the death penalty but don't let people make you believe that the prosecution just pulled some random innocent black guy off the street to pin the case on. I can almost guarantee you that the vast majorit If he didn't commit the crime and the evidence didn't support his guilt, that's exactly what they fucking did. Drug dealer or investment banker is an irrelevant difference. Blow that dogwhistle a little louder
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/24 11:58 PM
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Responding only so I can refer back to this post for a specific example if ever needed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/24 12:16 AM
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As much as this very eloquent call to responsibility fills me with despair, I'm admittedly pumped to see content on here that centers the disproportionate impact of misandry on minority/underprivileged men and hope to see you post more of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/24 11:19 PM
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But why? Justify it. Because you have just said in no uncertain terms that men do not deserve a legal right that women have. Perversely, abortion ban states are now sort of equal. But that isn't an equality anyone should want. And tbh if you delete a fraction of corporate welfare you can pay for all the single moms and then some without enslaving the fathers who never wanted to be fathers.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/24 11:12 PM
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You're responding to a more than one year old post and yet you completely, utterly, profoundly, comically missed the point of said post. Probably because you didn't actually read it nor try to understand the point I was making even momentarily. You're just in my notifications trying to play the gotcha game. Call your psychiatrist and ask them to up your meds. Then, kindly... piss off.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/08/24 01:18 AM
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Sneako is a psychopathic Andrew Tate acolyte. Saying a person who has repeatedly gone on record and said, verbatim "I hate women", is not okay to support because he "does not cater to women" is frankly a complete crock of shit. Trying to extrapolate that into proof of a gynocentric society is an even bigger crock of shit. Sneako is a total piece of shit, and people who support him are CORRECTLY given additional scrutiny.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/24 04:17 PM
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Probably call out a moronic false dichotomy of choice for what it is. Because that's one of the worst I've ever seen.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 08:22 PM
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Hell yeah. Say it again for the people racists in the back And the downvotes are blasting him like a firehose too. You love to see it!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 05:02 PM
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Hou may but you'll have to ask in the form of a coherent question, because that run-on sentence makes it almost impossible to decipher what specifically you're asking
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/08/24 04:59 PM
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The person you're replying to has fallen for the hoodwinking the right has done by allowing just enough lip service for men's issues that men's issues become synonymous with "right wing", while doing nothing for men and making policy decisions that disproportionately fuck over men. For one actual example you have the Title IX changes under shudder Trump's presidency. Of course, just by making those changes during Trump's regime (and by a SoE that thought American public schools need LESS funding…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/07/24 11:31 PM
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You didn't ask me but these are great questions for sparking discussion and getting to know us, and others are answering, so I'll have a go as well. Absolutely not. Turning basic fucking empathy into some zero sum Trumpian Art of the Deal negotiation where someone has to win and someone has to lose is completely ridiculous. The uber-rich have bled most Western countries dry with tax evasion, policy corruption, and corporate welfare. The idea that the social safety net can't be expanded to catch …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/24 10:05 AM
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The primary was blatantly rigged against Bernie. I don't know that I agree he didn't reach the voters. He could have trounced Trump with debates and wiped his ass with the prick on social issues. Areas with straight of racist electoral populations gave Barack Obama a shot in their desperation for real change. I think Sanders had far better odds against Trump than Clinton.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 02:30 AM
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I honestly think that if there was another incident like the Chuck Derry AMA a few years ago most of the current mods would side with chuck and shut down comments acknowledging male abuse victims. I hope I'm proven wrong at some point but I don't think I will be. They'd have done it thr first time around if they thought they could get away with it, but the AMA was met with such instantaneous negativity that it went directly off the rails and there was no salvaging it. They had no way to recoup a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 02:27 AM
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Ive always suspected Occupy Wall Street was the left flying to close to the Sun, and the aggressive fragmentation of the people that followed was the response of a frightened elite ruling class
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/07/24 02:15 AM
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The only solution is to participate and drown out the right wing refugees from banned subs, and to remind yourself rhat the up and downvotes are largely controlled by people who can't post because they're banned and/or their posts keep getting deleted
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 07:36 PM
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Well there also some topics that are verboten just to mention. There's no reason whatsoever that men shouldn't be able to discuss paper abortions and there are plenty of valid feminist reasons to ee xamine and even advocate for it. But you're not allowed to so much as mention the existence of this concept in passing, and the head mod all but explicitly said it's "because I fucking say so".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/07/24 07:33 PM
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Understood. My apologies, I had made the clearly incorrect assumption that you never post here at all. We get a lot of concern trolls, who don't help things anymore than the blackpilled refugees and IMO are even worse because I suspect they just want to rile up the crazies and destroy our unique community. Save those receipts for next time. Frankly, I think the response to this post has been a dismal failure by LWMA. That includes my own which was far too terse and undetailed. You and I should b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 09:08 PM
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Why come here just to make a snide remark like that, otherwise never posting at all? Why not just engage this community and be part of the change? I'm as disappointed in the response to this post as you are, in fact I'm pissed off, as a critically valuable potential discussion has been squandered. However, I put my money where my mouth is by actually being part of this community and not just coming in to snipe at it selfrighteously. I mean that, by the way, I'd earnestly like to see you and anyo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:53 PM
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What else do they want? Legal abortions I'd imagine, considering they've been stripped of this right in numerous American states and we are staring down a possible Preaident Trump 2.0
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:45 PM
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Cool, that guy explicitly said male-led relationships and patriarchy is the natural order of things and made bio-essentialist arguments. So the only bait and switch happening here is you pretending that's not every bit as repulsive and tradcon as it sounds.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:35 PM
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I'd be saying this line by line, so before I start rebutrals I'll get it out of the way. With all due respect, bugger all the way off with this blatantly bad faith response. This is a place for men's right. Don't make everything about women's issues. I'm not. The OOP posted what elements of feminism or feminist topics we agree with. The OOP listed bodily autonomy as one such example. This was very obviously meant to include abortion (AND circumcision AKA MGM - AND FGM!) The person I responded to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 08:32 PM
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Patriarchy are healthy male and female relationships, who create solid families to help continue a flourishing society. Jesus Christ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 11:00 AM
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Wtf does the Duluth Model have to do with bodily autonomy? How about you address the elephant in the room - abortion rights, which are under active siege in the U.S. Seems like you set out to "debunk" every single one of his points before you had actually read any of them and it shows in your at times clumsy arguments.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 10:57 AM
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My support of feminism is a sliding scale depending on what nation/culture we are discussing. If we're talking about Sweden or Australia I'd say the work is just about finished and has overshot the target if anything. If we're talking about most of the Middle East and Africa, give me one of those pink shirts with the Venus fist logo You can add USA to the latter group, given the surge of anti-abortion pap that has now become law.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/24 10:51 AM
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I've never reported a post for misogyny that didn't get erased and mod-commented. And I check! They've never missed taking action on a report. Not once, ever.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 09:37 PM
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There's plenty of us that do this. [Dis]respectfully: Shut up and buzz off if you're incapable of saying something useful or constructive. The hypocrisy of your bullshit is blinding
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 09:35 PM
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What? It's neither.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/24 09:29 PM
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In all fairness, every other commenter has been respectful and only one person has stuck up for the unhinged "ding dong". Most of the responses are actually constructive once you wipe away that unfortunate person's mouth-foam. Frankly I'm pleasantly surprised!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/06/24 02:09 PM
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Im just glad the karma is net-positive. There was a long stretch after amanfromearth left where the right wing lurkers had complete control of the up/downvotes through sheer volume. Seems like we are headed the right way and the chuds are getting bored as our content continues to migrate away from lazy antifeminist cliches
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 04:57 PM
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You have to step all the way back to see the big picture. Right wing policies: Maintain a difficult for-profit healthcare system, which is to the detriment of the men increasingly making up the lowest rungs of society Fight to reduce the social safety net, which can help at least some homeless men find beds and food for a day, often the dofference between life and death. Also, when social support is cut men are likely taking the brunt because reducing benefits for women would be politically unpo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/24 12:02 AM
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Who knows Everyone whose telling the truth Definitely not the Russian bot farms who just putting out propoganda. Definitely the Russian bot farms
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/24 03:20 AM
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So he's a self-immolating male feminist. Who gives a shit? Why do we have to respond to it at all? It's a college guy's desperate preen for attention, scantly different than a guy drinking a whole can of beer and crushing it on his forehead other than the avenue he took. The idea that this needs a response at all is silly. It's not offensive, it's just embarrassing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/24 01:32 AM
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Pathetic, putrid sophistry. This dishrag should necer have been published. That this passes for academic literature is a stain on the very concept of research
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/24 12:33 AM
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Fire with fire bullshit is not it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/24 01:49 AM
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People forget this isn't all dogmatic hatred or differences of paradigm. They have real skin in the game. Radical feminist academia has monopolized a shocking amount of money, funding, and general university capital. If people start taking men's issues seriously - which especially in an academic and objectivity-seeking culture is impossible to ignore for much longer - they will start to lose money and resources and initiative energy toward efforts to get men involved in postsec again
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/05/24 01:05 AM
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If seeing criticism of conservatism bothers you so much, why are you on a left wing sub?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/24 12:22 AM
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Hilary Clinton is a neoconservative in a Halloween mask of a feminist liberal. She would hardswitch to Andrew Tate rhetoric in a heartbeat if it got her more votes and more money in her bank account
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/24 06:13 PM
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As neither of us are professional researchers, as a black man you would have better insights for speculation than I do. Any theories on why it had exploded like this? Poverty is one of the big predictors for suicide but there's almost no chance poverty was worse 20 years ago than now. My possibly ignorant assumption was that black men tend to be killed by other black men, then cops, then men of other races and finally spouses in that order.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 03:22 PM
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What are the reasons for Alaskan indigenous versus other indigenous groups in the US?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 03:18 PM
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This is very interesting (and also, obviously, depressing). You hear a lot about the scores of white or Southeast Asian men taking their lives but this is new ground. TBH, this has been a blind spot for me and I had always assumed the masculinity culture of black men would keep the rates low. I had always thought racialized poverty and violence were the primary issues affecting black men, but eas operating under the assumption that the end state was that they continued to live while suffering th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 03:15 PM
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Nice strawman. The comment was very clearly expressing relief that lefties who don't reside on this sub might actually give a shit. Which is, quite obviously, a good thing Constant, condescending erasure and mitigation of the male suicide epidemic is a MAJOR problem with the modern left. Their inexcusable blind spot is an incredibly pertinent topic for both male advocacy and this topic specifically. The dead men are the fire we need to put out, but let's not pretend the active suppression and ic…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/03/24 02:59 PM
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This is a common misconception. Nonlethal self-harm that is incredibly unlikely to cause death is counted as a suicide attempt. This means that the ballot gets stuffed with non-serious "attempts" - especially when the same people may self harm in this way numerous times and have each attempt counted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/24 12:03 PM
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The time to start speaking your mind was 4 years ago. You've already set the tone if this relationship as one where you're not allowed to disagree by putting up with it for so long and not being willing to challenge her. When my wife and I were dating she threw down a few of the feminist cliches in conversation. I was willing to challenge her - politely and with good arguments- and as a result we had great conversations that allowed both of us to explore and refine our beliefs. Can you do that 4…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/02/24 05:01 PM
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Guardian is fine for "hard news". It is consistently terrible dogshit when they report on social issues that borders on propaganda.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 01:01 PM
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First of all, as promised Second, your blatant sweeping aside of my point with India is noted. Real cute bait and switch there when I in fact never declared their norms to be a problem - simply not a magic bullet for the incel problem despite being a utopia of your idealized sexual repression culture. Third and finally, what is your opinion on trans rights?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:54 PM
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And we can see how the anything goes morality has destroyed the west. Yes yes, now tell me about the Weimar Republic and get it over with Lastly the only place where this is a problem is in some places in India and china. First of all, lmao, India? You mean the place that remains so entrenched in the concept of arranged marriages that even Desi immigrants to the west usually move back to the old country just to get married to a family-selected spouse and then return? This isn't helping your argu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:22 PM
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The free rider individualist tendencies need to be suppressed for the good. Sounds like fascism to me. No fucking thank you. "Freedom for what?" is one of the most bonechilling things I've ever read on this sub. By the way, you're completely wrong about these traditional countries. Asia is full of traditional dating and sexual norms, and yet there are articles published about a whole sub-caste of young men with no social connections who may or may not even have jobs. Then again you're preaching …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/02/24 12:05 PM
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A little weird to identify this as a problem at all. Rather than volunteering themselves to be ripped apart by IEDs, American men are increasingly not buying into the propaganda that is as old as America itself. Men shouldn't internalize the idea that they have to "fight for their country". Their country owes them their lives and liberty no less than anyone else
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/24 05:56 PM
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This is intriguing to me. The fact that this needed to be explicitly mentioned means the topic has emerged from sociopolitical fringes. Suggesting we need to talk about it less means the conversation has actually begun in earnest, and people don't like that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/02/24 09:08 PM
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Don't leave. This sub used to be great and it still has potential, but only if people atand against the tidal wave of refugees from banned sub trying to take it over
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/02/24 12:01 AM
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Personally I don’t really see any right wing rhetoric here Someone on this very thread said "life begins at conception" and went on to describe abortion as murdering babies. He was upvoted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 01:45 PM
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The bloody comment you linked to is on an OP that was deleted and banned for God's sake. The first thing I saw: Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates. The fact that you've said it before doesn't mean it was true then. You consider feminism both nigh-immune to scrutiny and inclusive of men's issues, premises I consider ludicrous, so the fact that youve complained before is absolutely meaningless to me. Donald Trump brought the U.S. as close to fascism as i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:35 AM
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Well, no. That's a load of shit. I've been here for years and it has always drawn clear lines on the sand on left wing values. Its vehement trans-inclusive nature has always been a major barrier to gender bigots and I've seen people get banned who weren't savvy to it. AManFromEarth (our previous de facto head mod) also reaffirmed pro-choice as a core value on numerous occasion. The whole time I've been here, every single time I've seen bigoted or sexist bullshit leak in I have reported it and it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/24 03:23 AM
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Oh look at that: a shallow broadbrushing generalization about women - all women - showered in upvotes
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 10:58 PM
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Keep lurking, there are still plenty of good conversations and stepping away only concedes the microphone to the trogs
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 10:41 PM
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I think that's up ton the mod team. Clearly there's a bit too much leniency for outright harmful rhetoric on here that would have been moderated out by the previous regime, and I think that creates a sliding ground toward becoming r/mensrights2.0 I also agree that sLib, in spite of often producing legitimately valuable and interesting conversations, is an ideological dumpster I want to share no part of as far as moderator ethos. But constructing rubrics to enforce the exact right rules with prec…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 10:09 PM
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Hey, just wanted to say cheers and please stick around. You're clearly internally consistent in your values and logic judgments and not changing tbe measurements based on sex, so I think you can offer valuable perspective around here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:59 PM
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No, it's never supposed to be Oppression Olympics in the first fucking place, so that point holds absolutely no water. Unless of course you're willing to admit that you intentionally traffic in the same inhumane and ridiculous games of bad faith argument as the radfems. And I don't think you like the Oppression Olympics grief measurements either. In fact I'm willing to bet you complain about them a lot. But clearly, it starts being Oppression Olympics when men are most affected You are an exact …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 09:21 PM
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It's almost like empathy for others is a foundational principle of being a leftie OP is just a male radfem equivalent, quietly hoping to see the Other Side suffer
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/24 03:30 AM
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You serious? All Women Are Like That is literally one of the core tenets of TRP. Get all the way outta here lmao
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/02/24 11:56 PM
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It frustrates me because "women's comfort > men's well-being" is definitely a thing, especially in recent years. OP delegitimizes it by trying to blow off his own creepiness as nothing more than societal misandry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 08:03 PM
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I'm not outraged and I resent the implication. I found gender essentialism to be the bedrock of your assertions surrounding DV and I still do. I also think it's unconscipus on your part. I'll provide examples below: [T]he increased services and laws to support female victims give them more ways out than killing a male partner. Thus reducing those rates I take the tone of this section to indicate that you accept these premises at face value But it tries to suggest that you can reverse this and th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 04:44 PM
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I fucking called it as soon as I saw him tapdance around saying what the question is. Seems like he just wants to be validated. Yet to get that validation he needs to hide the question... and clearly knows it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 03:24 AM
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Asking people to comment yet refusing to share the question is ridiculous. You're basically just trying to get validation for your actions with intentionally incomplete information.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/02/24 03:22 AM
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Sounds to me like you are stuck on gender roles and gender essentialism, because every one of your disagreements boils down to "I don't buy that men aren't the root of the problem". i know you will disagree, but I urge you to reread your pose and see how heavily coded it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/01/24 12:47 AM
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Low effort rage bait
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/24 05:31 AM
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Done
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/12/23 03:05 AM
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If you think women never do that you are completely delusional. Cool sexist generalization tho!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/12/23 01:47 PM
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So was this just a troll post? I notice that you have not responded to a single comment
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/23 07:50 PM
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Good news, the right does absolutely fuck all to help men and a whole lot to worsen their lives. The military-industrial complex, prison-industrial complex, and the laws and economic conditions that drive men into one or both of those streams are all machinery of the right. Most homeless people are men and boys. By a significant margin. The right fights against social safety nets that stop people from becoming homeless, then they fight against social safety nets that help the men who are now hom…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 11:17 PM
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Thank you for doing what I didnt have the energy to do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/23 10:46 PM
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Recidivism and length of incarceration are directly correlated. Furthermore, women are far more likely to have or find a support structure (or job) as an ex-con than men. Only a misandrist would try to act like reoffence rates are a meaningful statistic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/23 11:27 PM
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Low effort nothing content
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/23 12:58 PM
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Upvote because thoughtful comment and analysis that did the work. My concerns with Bell Hooks are myriad: While acknowledging the apex fallacy, she always slips it into a broader sum of ideas. Acknowledging this fallacy could be the entire thesis of a book, but she tends to slip it into her rhetoric as a self-evident fact when it is in reality something that would be shouted down by the vast majority of feminists. This avoids doing any real work to improve feminism, because she doesn't engage in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/11/23 07:08 PM
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"Low effort" is one of the rule infractions for a reason.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/23 03:14 AM
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You're using the most biased sample of the dating/relationship population that could ever exist (deadbedrooms) and trying to generalize it to all women and men. That's completely insane. No kidding, a sub that is exclusively about completely dysfunctional sexual relationships contains dysfunctional sexual relationships? Clearly, this is proof of how society functions Why is it that women look for tall men, men who make "x" amount of money, men who are very confident, even men who have a toned ph…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/11/23 04:27 PM
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It's deeply ironic that attempts to make bigotry unfashionable have reached such an apex that "punch a Nazi" was a thing, yet so much bigoted thought is expressed through a language of bigotry the left is complicit at best and participates in at worst. I'm not a fan of "if some things are okay then everything is okay" but it summarizes the problem neatly. Perhaps a better idiom is "give them an inch and they'll take a mile"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 01:51 AM
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Your home is right here!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/23 01:47 AM
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Stick around. Plenty of us feel the same way as OP and yourself. Don't forget, the mods are no longer reviewing all submissions. They used to filter out the low effort bullshit This is NOT an antifeminism space. Unfortunately it does have a lot of antifeminist lurkers who've had their ball gags removed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 12:31 PM
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Stick around. Plenty of us feel the same way as you. Don't forget, the mods are no longer reviewing all submissions. They used to filter put the low effort bullshit This is NOT an antifeminism space. Unfortunately it does have a lot of antifeminists who've had their ball gags removed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 12:30 PM
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Stick around. Plenty of us feel the same way as OP and yourself. Don't forget, the mods are no longer reviewing all submissions. They used to filter put the low effort bullshit This is NOT an antifeminism space. Unfortunately it does have a lot of antifeminists who've had their ball gags removed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 12:29 PM
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Don't let the posts here discourage you. Every word you've said in this thread is true. Even at its best, LWMA always had a sad trend in the up- and downvotes. I suspect we've always had a lot of lurkers who couldnt get posts past the mod team but now can, who don't care about meaningful discussion or advocacy but spent a lot of time online in 2016 talking about the Ghostbusters reboot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 12:27 PM
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I can see where you are coming from..But at the same time it feels kind of concern trolly People saying things you don't wholeheartedly agree with is not concern trolling. It just feels like you want to turn this into menslib2.0 where we are only allowed to discuss issues men face through the lens of 'Feminism' Nowhere did OP say anything that even resembles this. Utterly horrible strawman attacking. any criticism of feminism is treated as taboo... Nowhere did OP state nor even imply this. We op…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/07/23 12:18 PM
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TinMen! Glad you decided to be a mod after all. And with [insert number string here] willing to act as head mod, hopefully you can stick around for the long haul as just one of the mod legion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/23 06:08 AM
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I'm not going to pound the table for your resignation, but I would like to know why you so flippantly decided to shut down the sub without engaging the community for our voice or opinions. You just up and did it, despite that almost a month ago an existing mod had already stepped up and said they would take over.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/23 06:05 AM
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This is the only place like it on the Internet. AMFE's politically neutral off-site experiment is just going to jettison what makes this community unique in the first place and replace it with r/mensrights 2.0 only much smaller LWMA is necessary
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/07/23 05:48 AM
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I was thinking of pinging you. I would really, really love to see you join the mod team! You exemplify what this is all about!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/23 12:00 AM
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The most politically inconvenient thing we can do is continue to exist. People have tried to make men's advocacy a hardline rightwinger thing. We take a dump on that pathetic narrative every day
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/23 12:00 AM
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Thank you for this. While I despise Reddit's administration with every fiber of my being, I think shuttering this sub would be a stunningly short-sighted move. This is the only place ... like this on the internet. And saying an off-platform community will fill that void is simply not honest when it has been explicitly stated that the left wing aspect is going to be dropped. To allow Mens Lib and its self-castigating, censorious third wave feminism to be the only community for explicitly leftie d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/06/23 10:11 AM
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TheTinMen has posted about it. I apologize but I no longer remember the city where this happened off top of head. TinMen is an excellent resource. I used to fact check their posts; over a long enough period I realized that I was wasting my time because they are always cited and the citations always panned out. I now consider it a trustworthy source on its own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/06/23 07:52 AM
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I'm sure you could have packed a few more lies into this inane rant if you really set your mind to it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 10:55 PM
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The fight over abortion is not about oppressing women. This is not a meaningful distinction. Radical feminist misinformation campaigns surrounding DV do not set out to "oppress men" as their goal. They seek to empower women to have total control when the justice system becomes involved in their relationships. As evil as i consider the whole affair, I would even go so far as to say that the objective is to ensure a safe exit for all abused women - by any means necessary. A similar case for false …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 03:59 PM
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Saying something flippant and dismissive does not mean you've come anywhere within the same galaxy as "addressing" it. To try to argue this course of events has been anything but stripping rights away from women is nothing short of lunacy.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 03:35 PM
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There is no hate of women on here that is tolerable under the rules. On occasion we get some sad exile from the dead MGTOW or TRP communities saying bigoted things. Without fail, if you refresh that same thread half an hour later, the person will have already been disciplined and the comment removed. This place has a clear zero tolerance for misogyny of any kind, and that's a trans-inclusive statement. With that all said, while no one will find you disagreeable if you speak in honest terms about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 03:33 PM
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Perhaps you could provide a few examples so that people can see what you mean by this? The Supreme Court of the U.S. being stacked with far right justices and then an obviously coordinated state legislative attack on abortion rights with knowingly-draconian new laws destined to be challenged at the highest levels, leading to the overturning of Roe v. Wade and the functional criminalization of abortion in any state that shpupd choose to pursue it? This all happened in the span of 2 years.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 03:21 PM
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No one is going to survey divorced men about what they actually want. Feminist dismissiveness of issues in family court relies on clutching to the stats and suppressing any conversations about the factors creating them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/23 01:18 PM
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You're not only the exact kind of person that I'm addressing in my prior post; you're also the precise individual that inspired me to write it. I won't be wasting my time on a beautiful evening engaging with a propagandist arguing in clear bad faith about family law biases. Yes yes yes, only women are affected by systemic pressures. Everything that happens to men is a consequence of their choices which have all been made in a vacuum and have nothing to do with the inflated, exorbitant financial …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/23 10:57 PM
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What do feminists say when you point out that the wage gap isn't real and the earnings gap directly correlates to women's choices? Assuming they even accept the reality of the data (some don't), they will say that systemic pressures influence those choices. And they do. Anyone that can believe that yet also say that men just up and walk away from fatherhood by choice is maintaining one hell of a cognitive dissonance... or, more likely, willful ignorance. Any lawyer worth his paycheck will tell a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/06/23 10:45 PM
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I tend to think I'm ugly as fuck in the traditional sense. But at some point in my late teens to early 20s I had amassed enough hobbies and life experience to be interesting and with that came self-confidence, and with that came friends, and with that came women. Now I'm married to a woman that checks off most of my settle-down-scorecard from back when I started dating. Oh, and for most of my single life I was obese. Point blank: Blackpill is BULLSHIT. Women do not measure your canthal tilt and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/23 02:04 PM
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Let's get real, the domestic abuse thing is bad, but Roiland is getting fired because he got busted being a nerdier Weinstein and AS is jumping ship before all the skeletons come tumbling out of the closet
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/23 03:15 AM
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Let's seriously not compare these things Numerous chatlogs from numerous women have been posted that show Roiland overtly engaging in grooming behavior with under 18 girls. That's fucked. Objectively. And apparently he had a reputation around Hollywood like a dorkier Weinsrein so this is clearly Adult Swim cutting ties before the really bad stuff comes out. Putting these two things in the same camp is exactly what the people defending Heard likely want, to be honest
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/23 03:14 AM
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The autists and the incels didnt write the literature, which straight up says "All Women Are Like That" and doubles down that there are no exceptions. Even the most radical feminists tend to keep "yes all men" to themselves unless they are screeching at what they know to be a compliant audience. It's simply false to act like the incels coming in are the only source of misogyny coming from the TRPsphere
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/23 06:19 PM
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I find the whole "anger phase" TRPers espoise concept ironic as fuck, because the entire philosophy is just a prolonged anger phase kept active by circular logic, except they never seem to wose up from this secondary anger phase
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/23 06:17 PM
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There's PLENTY that's new here, come on She provides new and VALUABLE insights to the issue here. Few men's activism spaces are really dissecting the societal structures that lead to false prosecutions despite those being the worst possible outcomes of a false accusation. She also pulls out a "by other men" whataboutism. It can be both
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/23 06:10 PM
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Police misconduct is a known ugliness now, prosecutorial misconduct is a key ingredient thst still gets overlooked. Her first insight, while clearly a bit defensive and very deflective, is very much correct. Rapes are notoriously difficult to investigate and even harder prosecute. This is exacerbated by pressure put on police to close cases - "close a case or you're fired" is not an uncommon sentiment - and DAs to find someone to string up. Or more accurately, ADAs and their associates who want …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/23 06:08 PM
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And yet, they will
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/01/23 02:26 PM
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Very insipid response. Please at least make an overture of good faith participation. OP's views are well-explained, and most importantly, he clearly is not defending Andrew Tate. He's defending men with small dicks or timid vibes from being compared to shitbags like Andrew Tate. As he should. And as you should.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/22 02:30 AM
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I mean, I think it's a pretty wild take to see the Haiti thing as a feminist eugenics movement to kill the men not approved by a woman. It was a couple misandrist notions - that men would compete over it in a violent Hobbesian fashion and thus were too unstable to be trusted, and the usual empathy blindness toward single and impoverished men - run amok. And those notions in themselves are perfectly demonstrative of how harmful and very much real misandry is. They don't need to be cast in some ex…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/22 04:50 AM
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men literally feel safe all the time? That literally isn't true. Therefore, you literally are wrong. That statement is literally absurd and completely unknowable You literally do not make any actual arguments. You just bleat clichés as self-evident truths
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/12/22 12:55 PM
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It's too kind to call this misinformation. This is straight up lying.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/22 01:47 AM
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The laws that force people to become fathers at gunpoint are not motivated by altruism. They are right wing policies intended to reduce the amount of social assistance paid to single mothers by finding a slave to outsource that responsibility to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/22 09:31 PM
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Only very stupid, very insipid, or very naive people actually believe these things Rhetoric like this is churned put by the ruling class, because: It's the "sexy" narrative in current year It furthers detraction from the ACTUAL reason our politicians do not represent the common person(too many men ... not too many capitalists) It posits a solution for all the world's ills that is achievable, but WILL NOT actually fix the problems - these probelms are after all a feature to our overlords, not a b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/10/22 08:35 PM
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Eh, the term gaslighting is overused to the point that it barely means anything these days. Even my use there was a reach. Gaslighting has a very specific meaning and people throw it around like beads at Mardi Gras. But I stand by it here specifically, because the paper outright denies reality and flat out says that you could only think X if you are paranoid, sexist, and wrong. Literally telling people they are, if not crazy, crazy-adjacent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 11:53 PM
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What a dogshit paper, not that it surprises me one bit. Even the loaded title is pathetic and bordering on Kafkeseque. It forces you to defend that you are not made uncomfortable by the advancement of women's rights, rather than allowing you to posit that they are being afforded extra privileges in some key areas that go beyond equality, in a system already proven to benefit them all the way from K-uni grad and beyond. And even THAT sounds extreme when you're trying to defend that you are not a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/22 01:57 AM
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Uh-huh. And what, pray tell, are you doing to advocate for equality in the numerous areas where women have an unfair advantage -and more importantly the many, many, many, many areas where society fails men and boys, often as a matter of policy, and won't even talk about it? Oh right. You seek out opportunities to call all men's advocates misogynists. How very groundbreaking and useful.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/10/22 04:06 PM
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Well, they invaded Ukraine, so... This is treaky one from moral POV No it isn't. The Estonian position is that people (but actually just men) are responsible for the actions of their state. Most men trying to flee Russia are trying to avoid the draft and not fight in the Ukrainian war. Estonia will extradite them ... in the process handing new Russian soldiers back to the army who will be sent into Ukraine to either kill more Ukrainians or die, or both. And apparently they're sending people to b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/22 10:50 AM
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The only sexism women have ever faced is benevolent Roe v. Wade was overturned within the last six months. Come on, man.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/22 10:21 AM
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The whole College Point thing has be downright hotblooded. Especially that absurd justificstion, and the remark about a "far better outcome". I wouldn't piss on Senator Liu if he were on fire.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/10/22 10:17 AM
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Honestly, despite the article being a bit shit, it's actually a sign of progress that the Guardian feel boxed into a corner and forced to acknowledge men's issues as real.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/09/22 01:49 AM
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Yeccch, I hate how astute this comparison is. Right down to the part where they are often the entity responsible for the policies that created the negative conditions and inequities faced by the shit upon group to begin with ... or at minimum widened the trench
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/09/22 11:50 PM
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But the argument that homosexuals can't help it They can't. The 0% success rate of conversion therapy confirms this. Yes or no, do you think homosexuality is a choice? applies equally to pedophiles and serial killers and pathological rapists and heterosexuals. Yeah, no. It absolutely does not apply equally to serial killers and rapists. People need sexual release. They do not need to kill or rape people. There is a VERY clear difference, one that even a child could comprehend. This is a BS compa…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 06:54 PM
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I foresaw the same arguments that legitimized homosexuality being used to try to legitimize pedophilia. Not a fan of the legitimization of homosexuality?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/09/22 05:44 PM
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Whilst I agree with legalisation, I don't think sex work is a solution to this issue Solution? No. But it's absolutely better than nothing, and young lads can rip off the bandaid of inexperience, letting them perform better for women who actually date them. paying for someone's company isn't the same as having some who wants to be with you. Without a doubt. But I have certainly seen testimonials from women in sex work who describe genuine friendahips and even affections some of their clients. If…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/22 10:49 PM
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"Most women" are not "hostile to manly traits". Cite me the source on that claim. "Radical feminists on Twitter" are not most women. Hell, theyre not even most feminists. Can we not with the MGTOW-adjacent generalizations? It's embarrassing tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/22 08:07 AM
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Improve mental healthcare and for that matter general healthcare accessibility and outreach. Legalize prostitution, the criminalization of which literally just puts these women in harm's way and subjugates them to pimps and gangs. Those two are inarguably critical I think. More subjectively, IMO: Improve the education system and actually tackle the blatant, proven bias against young boys and young adult men with the kind of aggression that sexism and prejudice against women in the professional a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/22 08:05 AM
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BBC trauma...?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/08/22 11:36 PM
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What specifically do you oppose about the current wave of feminism? You don't address much of anything in the OP other than examples of liberal feminist female empowerment not being sufficiently empowering and possibly having some kind of tangential benefit for icky men. If you seriously think things like the destigmatization of sex work are the primary problem with 3rd/4th wave feminism, I can't imagine why on Earth you have come here of all places - here being a place where we tackle issues li…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/08/22 11:47 PM
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Were, are, and will always be.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/22 07:24 PM
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Reductive tradcon bullshit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/22 01:04 AM
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I'm not into exemplifying exactly what we don't like about them as well as providing them useful examples to take put of vontext and use as evidence of our collective misogyny ... even ironically
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/07/22 12:54 AM
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I think as a woman you're more likely to be listened to if your branch gets big enough someday to justify its own full-time facility and you're trying to go after fed/provincial funding. It MAY put off some men. Some men get hit by the one-two punch of a female abuser and a social climate that diminishes his suffering while tacitly accusing him of an original sin and sadly retreat into distrust of women, or even outright misogyny. But that means your truly keen interest in men's issues and empat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/07/22 03:24 PM
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Pro-choice, 100%. Seems like you're only 50% pro-choice to me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/07/22 01:09 AM
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I don't disagree with a single word you said. But the existence of stigma does not in of itself justify the claim that: 1st world nations cater to female sex/pleasure and completely ignore the male pleasure. Which is a fundamentally ridiculous thesis. If society "completely ignore[d] male pleasure" it wouldnt have so many completely mainstream avenues by which to make money off of it. Furthermore, the obvious rebuttal that that is just the capitalist machinery monetizing the depravity of low sta…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 08:03 PM
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You have provided absolutely no evidence of your claim. None whatosever. You just say it over and over again with a tone of authority. Sorry, but you're gonna have to do a lot more than cite your own lived experience (which consists primarily of blaming the internet for your own research decisions) and make emotional proclamations about society itself personally extinguishing your fires of passion if you want to make sweeping generalizations and claims about society bending itself this way and t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 07:47 PM
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What on earth are you even trying to argue? You think porn (the vast majority of which is free) and boudoirs and sex dolls exist because capitalism, but what, vibrators and dildos exist because society cares oh so much about female pleasure? If that's the case why are they also products packaged and sold for exorbitant prices relative to their material cost? Why arent they given out for free at planned parenthood? How are brothels and sex dolls, which are literally services and/or purchasable it…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 07:34 PM
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Come on, now. Strip clubs? Boudoirs and brothels? Pornography, most of which is geared to men? Sex dolls? The impending dawn of sex robots? You have a point that men seeking sexual fulfillment independently of a woman's approval has stigma associated with it, but the idea that society "completely ignore the male pleasure" is just obviously not true.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/22 06:28 PM
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I really cant fucking believe they pulled it off
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/22 12:43 AM
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Because the military-industrial and prison-industrial complexes, the death penalty, shutting down social safety nets, and other right wing policies hurt men far more than mean words
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/06/22 02:09 AM
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I made an edit to add a few words of encouragement. Believe me, I mean you well.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 09:27 PM
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In any case, instead of worrying what your son COULD be, try to make him what you WANT him to be. No way. She needs to unlearn her sexist beliefs and decouple them from her trauma, which are two different things. Then she needs to learn the REALITY of what the average boy or man experiences and how very different it is from the exclamations of feminist rhetoric And THEN she can start worrying about who she wants him to be and how to raise him. If she skips those early steps she's gonna raise eit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 09:26 PM
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Oh wow. Lots of great discussion. Mens Lib has changed. Where did this influx of ideological diverse users come from? Or have the mods perhaps scaled back their draconian measures because it was getting harder to suppress and keep secret? Interesting shift from the last time I was there
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 12:14 PM
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Sorry mate, I'm a big ol dumb-dumb and cant find that tab on the reddit app.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 11:32 AM
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The other issue is that the term is used as a motte-and-bailey by third and fourth wave radical feminists. Plenty of feminist discourse does indeed define a whole bouquet of things ABOUT [many/most] men as toxic, or things men do, or things they attribute as being done by men in particular, etc. Question them on that and, ah, suddenly they've reverted to the dictionary definition. This intellectual dishonesty is precisely why even self-identified feminists who really are trying to build an egali…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 11:28 AM
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The mods are the whole reason most of our users hate sLib. CCP level censorship
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 11:15 AM
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Oooh, got a NP link? When sLib users get going they usually have some great and nuanced conversations. It's really just the mods that make it such a counter-intuitive shithole
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 11:12 AM
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I don't think it's just niceness people refer to when mentioning those two. They're also disciplined, competent, and have strong mentor/teacher energy. What is tragic is how few people mention Arnold Schwarzenegger. He is emblematic of so many traditionally masculine pillars, and managed to lobby and advocate for himself until he became the biggest movie star in Hollywood while barely speaking English. He's now worth like $400 million or something preposterous like that and has never exploited s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 11:10 AM
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You don't think Bob Ross slayed? With that fro and "I know exactly how things are gonna turn out, and it'll be great" energy? C'mon He's passionate, confident, and endearing, three qualities that plenty of women respond to. Hyper-driven dominance is not the only valid masculinity, even in the busted social world we presently navigate. "Laid back" is not an asexual vibe
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 11:02 AM
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You're not getting anywhere with this comment specifically or this person generally They think MensLib is being "pushed to the right" because the mods are allowing the gentlest of fundamental disagreements. They think they have been banned for pushing feminist beliefs, when in reality they were banned for not being dogmatic enough in their feminism and in the process mentioning a completely valid and unresolved men's issue that is verboten because of the sub's dogma. It's unfortunate. Because yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 10:51 AM
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Wow. The irony of the type of person to ejaculate a broadbrushing feminist manifesto that blatantly seeks to invalidate a number of male issues as even being real problems getting banned for not being feminist enough is an absolute layer cake.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/06/22 10:34 AM
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I'm sorry ... did you just suggest that the Pfizer vaccine is causing mental illness...?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/22 04:06 AM
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It didnt happen when they doxxed a fucking 15 year old boy during that Covington nonsense. There is zero justice for media offense
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/06/22 10:50 PM
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White low status man: Financial ruin and ostracism BIPOC low status man: Shot by police
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 12:35 AM
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It's nice to see such a public win but this is pretty meaningless. AH was a uniquely guilty and uniquely inept perpetrator, and even despite that the media is still very explicitly pushing the expected narratives. Meanwhile, Depp ONLY won because of the above AND being preposterously rich. The average man gets fucked into bankruptcy by this situation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/06/22 12:28 AM
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Didnt one of the judges read evidence about Heard in the courtroom and say it was about Depp, and double down when corrected, or something weird like that?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 02:50 AM
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something something ends justify the means, I guess This is really shocking to me, because I had read her opinions (and confessions) about what dogshit research it was and couldn't see anything other than condemnation being the thesis of those words. But maybe this was just an incredibly blatant, succinct example of what we all know, which is that to be sincerely interested in matters of gender or domestic discourse while espousing radical feminist dogma requires explicit and willful cognitive d…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 02:48 AM
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...what? How. I would love to see her explanation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 01:13 AM
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Duluth Model has been literally debunked and disavowed by the person that created it and not a goddamn thing changed as a result
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/22 12:29 AM
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Part of the severe resistance to the truth on this topic is the same old classist bullshit: if men are actually raising their children instead of paying the mothers to do so, those mothers will now need an income. Some will go [/back to] work. Many aren't able to and will need social assistance from the government, which means taxes, which means more scrutiny on rich people and tax evasion .. or at least it should but the bourgeoisie have us well-trained to fight each other instead of them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 10:43 AM
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Not just lower class men. Lower middle class men can't afford to fight for custody either. Honestly, packaging up the division of child custody with the separation agreements as the parents terminate their marriage is a ridiculous, commodifying practice. The time allocated of children shouldn't be determined in the same proceedings as the custody of golf clubs and big screen TVs. Children need both of their parents freely available in their lives, that is a fact demonstrated by every single mean…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/22 02:12 AM
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This current thing that is based upon foundational right wing beliefs and which is continuing to manifest into harmful policies drafted, written, and passed by right wing politicians?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/22 04:48 PM
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I'm honestly shocked at what I am reading and I mean that in the best possible way. I sincerely didn't think I would live to read words like that from such an organization. This is such an eloquent and inclusive message, and we should all try our best to amplify it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/05/22 05:36 AM
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Call his bluff. Repost it with a submission statement. Either he is forced to make a hypocrite of himself and remove it, or (gasp) MensLib will actually have a conversation about what this means for progress on men's sexual and parental rights in situations where women are bad actors - a notoriously difficult arena in which to find justice. The latter is the better end result, but the former would at least prove a point, so it is worth your time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 07:33 PM
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Fucking wow @ that removal "reason". In absolutely NO WAY whatsoever did the post violate the stated rule!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 02:38 PM
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Women DON'T have the right to choose whether to limit a man's options in life by legally and financially yoking him to her and their future child. Well ... they do, actually. They shouldn't. But they do.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/22 10:24 AM
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They also don't ACTUALLY support them Ever been denied for unemployment or welfare when you truly needed it? Ever been harrassed by police on paper-thin grounds? Ever worked 50+ hours a week for an extended period with no overtime? Ever worked nonstop yet still lived paycheck to paycheck? For the older folks, ever been drafted? For all the above and so much more ... thank the right
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 04:28 PM
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Cheers. I'm always stunned by the people who try to say the right has a better track record on men No, they don't. They pay politically useful lip service to rankle the democrats and create issue wedges. That doesn't mean they care. The right is responsible for the vast, vast majority of policy and cultural structure that makes the life of a man so expendable and often difficult
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 04:24 PM
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Say it again for the MGTOW refugees people in the back
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/04/22 04:20 PM
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Pretty shitty thing for you to say when that is literally happening in Ukraine right now, just as it has happened during every war or armed conflict in recorded human history
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 05:01 PM
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Funny how they responded to the one word reply, yet not your very detailed and well-elaborated response
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:58 PM
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It's not only evasive on your part, but flat out offensive for you to refer to the Rwandan genocide as "men dying in war." That wasn't a war. It was a onesided slaughter, and a slaughter that exterminated 70% of all men in an entire country. Your refusal to take that seriously is on you, and loses you any claim to the pedestalized high horse you're sitting on
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/22 04:54 PM
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I don't tell her I selfharm and I don't see a psychiatrist for one reason: I don't want to be put in a ward That's not a real thing. People don't get put in a ward for thinking about suicide, nor for struggling with self-harm. It's a made up bogeyman from Hollywood. Similarly, people who have thoughts about harming others don't get put in jail for merely having those thoughts. don't want to provide feminist with an opportunity to disqualify my views by exploiting my issues That's straight up rid…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/22 12:06 AM
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she's not a psychiatrist Then that's your second biggest problem, because any mental illness that leads to longterm suicidal ideation NEEDS an assessment from a psychiatrist to see what you need to start getting better because they are already as bad as they can get. Psychiatrists are not scary, theyre just therapists that are also medical doctors. And you typically inly need to see them a few times You also dont need to just see one mental health professional. You can see a psych and continue h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/22 01:11 AM
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Change her out for a male psychiatrist. If you are upper middle class, you have the ability to do that. So do it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/22 06:41 PM
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There's always been misandry in rightwing spaces. The question is whether it's overt or implied.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/22 03:58 PM
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Great synopsis. It's a real sadness that this completely reasonable summary of the issues would be controversial almost anywhere else.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/22 12:24 PM
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I actually think a fantastic way to perform men's rights activism is something just like this Write to politicians and MPs and Congresspeople etc, ask direct questions about undeniable, factually and statistically supported issues (NOTHING with even a WHISPER of ideology or philosophy to it, empiricism only) and then collect their responses. We could make a collage of all the remarks made on the record by politicians on the big issues.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 01:49 PM
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Her arse
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 01:45 PM
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So OP should follow up and ask for transcripts of the question being tabled and the ensuing discussion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 01:45 PM
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If you feel satisfaction when you read about rapes, you need to start seeing a therapist and you need to do it immediately. End of story. Call one today I'm dead serious.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/22 11:14 AM
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I sincerely don't understand what point you're trying to make with that remark.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 10:40 PM
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The whole idea of emotional labor as something to commodity is, hands down, the most reptilian bullshit ever put forward by third wave feminism and that is saying something. Being there for a partner? Especially one that is likely working more than half their waking hours and statistically 3x more likely to commit suicide? What a concept.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/22 02:59 PM
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I get that, and agree. I never use the word incel to describe people unable to find partners. Just fell into the trap of the way the word has been redefined by common discourse to carry with it the connotations of blackpill ideology that was all over r/incels and the like It's a word I try not to use at all when possible, because it means wildly different things to different people and has so much baggage. Sadly not a lot of people know what blackpill means
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 04:40 PM
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Sorry, let me add a qualifier. I dont mean people who are lonely and left behind romantically and sexually. That's a lowkey growing generational tragedy, and I never call those people incels because the word has basically been turned into a slur I meant incel as in full blackpill shit. The stuff you would see on r/incels or r/MGTOW before they were banned
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 04:27 PM
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The way mainstream feminists and much of the media talk about men is the dark mirror of what the world would be like if blackpill types and redpill douchebags were given platform and their views on women were constantly promoted and never challenged.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/22 03:20 PM
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I started to read it and quickly realized jt would be a complete waste of time. It's radical feminist dogshit explicitly demanding special treatment for women and trying to blame men for literally all of crime. The question is, who is this piece of shit writer, and what is her platform? Where else does she get to spew her BS, and how impressionable is that audience? If she is a professor we may be able to bring attention to this article that would be inconvenient for her career.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/22 09:10 PM
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Funny, I reported that blatantly sexist remark... Just got the report result and Reddit has deemed it does not violate the rules. Very funny. It's the kind of thing that would be r/watchredditdie material if that place weren't infested with far right bullshit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/22 08:54 PM
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It's pretty damned comical to see you say this, when all of 1 day ago you were elsewhere and chose to say: That's because most men are trash.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/03/22 04:18 AM
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The world is built by men for men, but its leading medical authorities want to cut off the end of little boys' dicks because of a possible link to better health outcomes for women (which if true would be reproducible via basic fucking hygiene) Have I got that right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/22 03:46 PM
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I'm surprised any of you vote Democratic because it seems like you all agree with anti-feminism more than you agree with liberal policies Once again you were making a good post in which I agreed with every word, and once again, you couldnt help yourself but to make a snarky, obviously bad faith, obviously incorrect jab at our community. Once again I had your post upvoted, once again you couldn't help yourself, once again I changed jt to a downvote. You were given a list of linls to left wing dis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/03/22 12:44 AM
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if there's a chance a woman can be blamed that's more palatable than admitting that a majority of men vote for a party that fights against helping poor and indigent men. If you really don't understand why you keep getting downvotes, it's because you say things like this. You attack a lot of strawmen in an incredibly condescending way, and more than once you have gone out of your way to include an insult such as this which insinuates our space to be a rightwinger MRA space. That is blatantly bad …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:25 PM
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I hear you. I've grown very cynical of people like OP because it's always the same bullshit cycle. They come in and attack us with bad faith arguments, slowly stop responding to each individual comment thread as their arguments don't stand up to scrutiny, then spin a narrative that makes a victim of themselves, tuck their tail between their legs, and leave. It frustrates me because I want more feminists to join this sub. They can debate and discuss the bard questions, or they can flat out say "L…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:13 PM
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Take a look at his edit of the OP. He came in here to attack us in bad faith and then framed up a bullshit narrative, turned tail, and ran.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 06:05 PM
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There's a difference between not personally encountering hate and trying to deny that it exists altogether, when it quite obviously does.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 10:41 AM
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Don't hold your breath for a reply to this point. No one could be as interested in gender issues as OP claims to be while remaining sincerely ignorant about any male issues beyond the typical feminist-approved bouquet of toxic masculinity dismantling. He's either aware of this and avoiding acknowledgment of the subject, or really needs to up his research game.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 10:37 AM
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men having issues isn't strictly because of women No one is making that argument on this sub. In fact, making that argument would get your comment removed and yourself warned - or banned. You're attacking a strawman. men having issues isn't strictly because of ... feminists. Not strictly, but the permeation of radical feminism into societal decisionmaking is absolutely, unquestionably a part of it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 10:34 AM
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I used to be a bodyguard. Sometimes I had to post up at clubs. Trying to count the number of times I had my dick grabbed would be like scooping up a cup a sand and trying to count the grains by eye. I know how you feel. And people hear stories like this and imagine it to always be gorgeous 23 year old women... forgetting that creepy middle aged and older women exist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 10:25 AM
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This is your response to a person opening up about being sexually assaulted many times? Come on, man. Be better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/03/22 10:21 AM
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The PPC are, indeed, far right They're also trying to kill net neutrality and climate change action
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/22 10:24 PM
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men have right not to go to war ....no they don't. Do you literally not understand what the draft is and how it works, or what? The world is closer to WW3 than it has been in 30+ years and every man (NOT woman) who wanted to vote in a U.S. election can be thrown directly into the bullets if it happens purely legal-I'm right No. You aren't. The definitions and parameters of selective service are law.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/02/22 09:07 AM
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Men's liberation has been coopted as well, by bad faith actors of the complete opposite stripe Men's advocacy I like. I find your claim about men having largely the same rights as women interesting, though. I cannot think of any rights men have that women do not, but i can think of several very noteworthy rights women have that men do not. I do agree that the baggage of the name "mens rights" is too heavy despite that, but wanted to put a point on it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/02/22 01:44 AM
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I think we will never make ground on this. It's not a real discussion point said in earnest. People who say this are knowingly acting in bad faith when they do so, because the motive is not to understand or explain the issue but to write of all discussion of it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/02/22 08:17 PM
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This person's only other post on here in the last week was to thumb her nose at men being by far the primary victims of violence bY oThEr MeN She's here to troll, because she hates men and hates our space
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 01:58 AM
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Hurdur did you see what she was wearing?! That's you. That's the kind of thing you say.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/01/22 12:35 AM
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By other men though smug chortle
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/22 08:01 PM
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Surely, the unparalleled advances in inclusiveness witnessed in the last few decades would have been every bit as possible without free speech. In fact, free speech probably had nothing to do with it all (..../s, if that needed saying)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/22 01:44 AM
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I feel like they only write shit like this so that young men who know they're getting rawdogged will read their shitty right wing newspapers
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/22 08:36 PM
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On the contrary, it is explicitly denied as existing... or even promoted. This is exactly whhy I am so cynical about any idea of peogress. Progress requires people to stop denying the issues and start giving a shit about men - and they won't, and they don't
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/22 08:56 PM
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Has anyone ever rejected or broken up with you because you were a male advocate? No, but I dont wear that on my sleeve. I am not a "male advocate" the way feminist women will say "I'm a feminist". Being a male adcocate encompasses only a small number of my beliefs and is not the whole of my identity, nor even my political identity. Do you think being a male advocate affects your dating life in any way? If so, how? When I did date I generally avoided bringing up those subjects of my own accord. H…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/01/22 07:07 PM
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Being a sleazy pandering rightwing toolbag propaganda shill disqualifies Ben Shapiro a hundred times over befoe his presentation even enters the orbit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/22 02:26 AM
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I dont think the Declaration of Sentiments has done nearly as much damage to good faith women's activism as the creation of gender studies academia. for many reasons and not least of which the volatile and alienating language, I am willing to bet the DoS is only brushed over in a feminist degree. 101 students aren't indoctrinated yet, after all, have to wait until they are writing senior theses to really hammer in the anger. And really, the unactioned opinions of stuffy upper class white women i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/12/21 11:01 PM
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Im a progressivist in some respects. I think billionaires and the banks need to be straight up cannibalized
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/21 11:37 PM
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How can anyone read a quote like that and not come to the conclusion that conservatives are just as much as gynocentric misandrists as liberals Because they also make constant assaults on abortion rights. Learn to think with nuance here. Their disregard for men doesnt mean they care about women, that's a laugher
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/21 12:51 AM
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The ones defending castle law, stand your ground, and pulling out a gun to win a domestic argument that you yourself started by breaking the law? Agreed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 01:53 AM
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You need to watch the documentary Dear Zachary before you put your foot any deeper in your mouth.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 01:52 AM
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Someone defending Carruth said Read shouldve called the police because "this isn't the wild west". Why that logic applies to Read yet not the guy who whipped out a dick extender gun to win an argument has completely escaped me, because everything Carruth did and the laws that back his actions is emblematic of modern day wild west bullshit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 01:50 AM
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Gun rights and gun control are not mutually exclusive. I own a gun. I find it great fun to shoot at the range, and the basic maintenance scratches the same itch of mucking with the undercarriage of a car while being less messy and easier to learn. And if someone ever broke into my property and posed credible harm to my wife or myself, I hope I would be mentally strong enough to remove it from its case and use it on that person. What I would NEVER do is pull it out as a trump card in a fucking do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/12/21 01:45 AM
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Spot on Now, this raises other questions. Because several of the sLib mods fucking HATED Chuck Derry, and made it known in his thread, in the unpacking thread after the fact, or both. I do believe that some of the mods had no idea what they were in for. Which raises some questions about who really runs the show. Because not one of those aghast mods said anything resembling "I/we approved this, I had no idea he was such a clod". If the entire mod team was ignorant of his character and antiquated …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 06:16 AM
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First, I wouldn't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by incompetence That's one of my favorite sayings, but it cant be a default position in a vacuum Mens Lib brought in an expert authority to answer questions about DV. He ends up being a radical feminist Duluth truther that would probably be able to get on with Dworkin or MacKinmon with little friction Could that be a coincidence? Sure. Is that more likely than that his "expertise" was deemed the "right fit"? I don't buy…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 02:09 AM
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I dont think it was incompetence. Of ALL the DV experts IN THE WORLD, they chose that one. I think it was a very intentional move and they severely miscalculated how their users would respond.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/12/21 12:22 AM
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I was right wing at the time I'm glad we managed to win you over. Post-2014, we haven't exactly made a good case of self-promotion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/21 12:21 AM
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While he said liberalism, from context I think he was picturing neoliberalism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/21 12:06 AM
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When everybody else sucks too much to support, vote Green
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 11:59 PM
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Clinton also started the birth certificate bullshit that plagued the first black President for his entire fucking career lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/11/21 11:59 PM
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What do we call it? looks at name of sub ...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/21 07:56 PM
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What a terrible, terrible, terrible article
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/10/21 02:24 AM
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I can't even say it doesn't make sense. It is the NOW position because NOW does not care about the issues or discrimination faced by men, other than extending some meager bandwidth to issues whose remedy would not impact women in any negative way nor require criticism of traditional feminist rhetoric NOW advocates for the best possible life outcomes for women. This is an area where they have more power and better outcomes than men. There is absolutely no reason to accept any legislation that wou…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/10/21 04:48 PM
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Way too tinfoil hat The answer is much simpler. They want the power to rest in the woman's hands. She can fight for and probably get majority custody. If she wants LESS custody she can just give it up by choice. A presumption of equal custody would outweigh the time-tested biases upheld by family court, taking power away from them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/21 03:44 PM
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Opposing default equal custody puts the power in the mother's hands. If she doesn't WANT custody, she can give up some or all of it. If she does want it, she can fight for sole custody in a rigged game that will give it to her if she gets the right judge win/win
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/10/21 03:42 PM
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Well, thanks I guess, but with all that said, I take issue with some of the ideas you seem to drive toward as well. Im not here for some of the implications you're making which evoke the classic "patriarchy backfiring" rebuttal. The homeless man sleeping on a bench and eating out of dumpsters is not an example of "patriarchy backfiring". It's classism (the ACTUAL root of the vast majority of suffering including that which is disproportionately distributed amongst certain sexes) mixed with instit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/21 03:16 PM
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Oh I just noticed that you're a woman. Honestly? I'm not going to police how a woman talks about gender issues, you do what you want. But if you want my opinion, I think you ventured a bit into speculative reaching not much different than what so many radical feminists do, extrapolating things that imo cant really be extrapolated by a contemporary mind with no primary sources. An example would be when you were speaking with confidence about the social awareness perspectives of everyday ancient G…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/21 02:56 PM
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This is a good post but frankly I think you work a little too hard to tack on "and actually it was a GOOD thing for women/proof women were MORE respected" etc It cheapens the strongest part of your point, which is the willful blindness to the Hobbesian lives lived by most men throughout history until modern times. Women in much of history got it bad. Men also got it real, real bad. The patriarchal world where every day is a lavish of abundance and wish fulfillment for men at the expense of women…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/10/21 02:01 PM
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And yet the only person you wanted to bring in to discuss domestic violence is a Duluth cultist. When you had an entire field of experts you could've contacted, THAT was the person you chose to give a platform to.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 10:14 PM
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If the mod youre talking to is misrepresenting you, show us your modmail exchanges with them and expose what actually happened. If they're just besmirching your character to protect their reputation, they would be soundly defeated
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 10:11 PM
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Black and Indigenous men are by far the most vulnerable populations in the U.S. and anyone trying to argue otherwise even after seeing the facts and figures is a disgusting person
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/10/21 10:00 PM
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What youre preaching for is literally a polyamory-by-default society. What you describe is precisely the arrangement most poly living people have. Calling it "monogamy but not dogmatic" doesn't make it monogamy anymore than me calling you a duck would make you grow a bill and feathers I'm going to need you to back up the assertion that society would be "more stable" if everybody was monogamous-but-not-really. Stable in what way? Based on what evidence? Gonna be honest, it sounds a lot more like …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 11:27 PM
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What you describe is not monogamy at all, by definition. There is nothing remotely dogmatic about the fact that I don't want my wife to fuck other men, and I completely resent that assertion. Tbh I dont understand what point youre trying to make here at all
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/10/21 11:51 AM
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I already support having a powerful security net and it pretty much exists here in Sweden Does this net catch men, or just women and children
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 11:25 PM
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Seems logical to me. Join groups dedicated to loneliness and being about the change of perspective from the inside. Though honestly, you're not going to get any traction ever on "people should be able to touch strangers more, just think of all the men starved for it". So you would need a VERY refined and specific take to bring to the table. I dont like being touched by people I dont know, and tit really rankles me when they do. Im a 205 lbs bodybuilder talking about wholly aromantic and asexual …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/10/21 11:50 AM
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I imagine this is Boris doing the right thing for the wrong reasons Have to darkly laugh though ....where is the evidence that Everard was targeted as a result of misogyny? Ariel Castro didnt abduct and enslave women because he hates them. He did it because he was a perverted psychopathic POS.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 07:03 PM
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Sexual harrassment isnt a crime in the way you think it is It's something you could use to get someone fired from a job at the workplace, or sue them, but it is not a literal felony nor even a summary citation to my knowledge
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 05:09 PM
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Why am I not surprised to see you defending yet another status quo in society that is a crystal clear double standard that gives women an unfair advantage over men via bad faith ramblings that dont add up? that doesn't mean the expectation that the one making the offer shouldn't be the one with first expectation to pay for it. Why? Why should they? What is your reason that the person should pay? Per usual, you are making an assertion but have done absolutely nothing to justify why it should be t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/10/21 01:59 AM
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Praise be (I skipped the r/mensrights step though ... my brain was better for it)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 11:57 PM
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whataboutism for men’s issues. It is literally a fucking sub ABOUT MEN'S ISSUES I get that these people are bad faith actors, but surely they are trying to NOT come across as morons, right?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/10/21 11:50 PM
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There are still very serious health risks for women. While they may have reproductive choices, they also carry the majority of the risk associated with pregnancy. Explain how this translates to "therefore if she decides of her own accord to take that risk - against the wishes of the man - he should spend 19 years paying for her unilateral decision to take on that risk". Youve failed utterly to connect these two points
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 09:02 PM
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The man can then say he does want the baby and have the fetus transferred to an artificial womb That's not going to happen. Transferring the fetus would involve surgery, so feminists will shoot that down (and win) Then the woman is stuck with child support. That is the future they are ensuring. That is also not going to happen. Right now there are zero legislative outcomes* where a woman wants a child aborted but has no say in its birth, and so it is born anyway. An unwanted birth, for most west…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 08:49 PM
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It wont be over Fundies will demand a NATURAL birth Feminists will say that the decision to abort the fertilized zygote or whatever is the woman's choice because bodily autonomy, so men who want to "man up" and raise the child the mother doesnt want will still have no rights Nothing will change. Some moderate people will be smoothed out but the zealots will just change their language ...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 08:44 PM
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Which of those two standards do you consider to be wrong?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/09/21 08:36 PM
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I don't think men can/should unilaterally decide to "financially abort" a child they did not want to have but their reproductive partner chose to keep. Why. Justify it. You have said absolutely nothing to justify it, and everyone reading this inane blather can see that it's because youre dancing around saying "because that's not fair to the woman" (paying for HER unilaterally made decision)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 10:19 PM
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This is bullshit logic that amounts to you spinning around in circles trying to justify what you clearly know is a double standard. If a man wants to be a father but the woman he had sex with doesnt want to be a mother, she can get an abortion. THAT IS FAIR. If a woman wants to be a mother but the man she had sex with doesnt want to be a father, she can still have the child. That is also fair. Why does he have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars over the course of 18 years (a near third of h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 10:16 PM
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Women's sexual and bodily autonomy is worth more to them than men's But they don't lose ANY AUTONOMY at ALL with financial abortion. None. This is exclusively and explicitly a reinforcement of a status quo that damages men's autonomy only
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/09/21 10:11 PM
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It's damn near impossible to be a rightwinger if you truly care about men. Most men's issues are nearly in lockstep with class issues, which is why they absolutely brutalize black men and yet white men are shockingly lacking in the expected immunity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 11:44 PM
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You ask for examples. They delete their post. Says absolutely everything
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/09/21 11:41 PM
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Are they suggesting lowering the retirement age of men instead? probably not right
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/21 08:49 PM
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OK, now demonstrate that these "assaults" were regularly and routinely policed & prosecuted, and that the consequences were on the same scale. Otherwise this feels an awful lot like the dark mirror of feminism, playing word games and laser focusing on one granular aspect of a claim and not addressing the spirit and substance of it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/09/21 07:33 AM
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Your choice of words suggested that you do. You said "rather than" which by definition/grammar means "I think that assertion is incorrect: here is my alternate explanation which I consider more correct" Not saying you do disagree, obviously. But not the optimal choice of words.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/21 02:13 PM
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Damn that's an interesting point. Gaston has an ugly personality, but it is comically ugly and exaggerated in a way real people do not behave
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/21 12:58 PM
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Right, I did say that they likely have a more refined social intelligence fue to more experience and more positive outcomes (for them) to learn from I really think it's foolish to suggest attractive men dont get away with more before being labeled a creep than ugly men. They absolutely can.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/09/21 12:50 PM
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Isn't supposed to be, but he sure as fuck is. Youre not helping your point one bit by saying that, quite the opposite in fact. Did you somehow forget what conversation youre having? Saying this as the one person on this thread to call the assertion in the OP an oversimplification
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/21 08:50 PM
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50 Shades was written by a woman. You gave a whole one example. I gave you a counter-example. By your logic we are back to zero
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/21 08:47 PM
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That's not amusing at all, and saying so is, quite frankly, rather disturbing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/21 08:46 PM
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It's a bit of an oversimpification but there is a lot of truth to it as well. A more nuanced and accurate-to-reality way to talk about this concept is that there is a bold/creepy spectrum and the threshold to cross over it is much higher for hot guys and lower for ugly men It also bears mention that attractive men are going to have had more positive interactions with women, which creates a positive feedback loop because they fain more experience and confidence, as well as a greater understanding…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/09/21 08:39 PM
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I dont think something has to be motivated by "I hate women" to be misogynist. Just like I dont think you have to hate men to day or do misandrist things. This ban (let's be real it's a ban with extra steps) is misogynist. The fact that men have no "financial abortion" equivalent is misandrist. It's not about motive, it's about the harm they cause and showing with your actions that said harm doesnt matter to you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/21 10:47 PM
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Wait, Pence herself has renounced the Duluth Model? This is VERY new information to me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/21 10:34 PM
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Yep I had one of those. Gave me a chuckle hecause I onew tbe score right away. Pretty damn pitiful on the part of whoever sends these reports
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/09/21 03:17 AM
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The person that wrote the reply can go fuck him/her/themself and that's all the emotional or intellectual bandwidth I have to spare for such a small-minded, self-absorbed asshat of a bigot However this is a fantastic example of someone in the wild discussing the ideas surrounding toxic masculinity in the precise ways we say are common yet no one seems willing to admit. And they aren't being ridiculously inflammatory on purpose as a bit. They are saying this casually in a conversation and truly t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/09/21 06:51 PM
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Cant speak for all of these men who die young, but I can speak to why I probably will I believe that there's a glass ceiling. But there's also a glass floor. The people beneath it are almost exclusively men and will never get out. Society demands that they make money, as much of it as possible, and for many men (who are badly served by the western education system) - especially the poor, working class and even lower middle class - throwing themselves into the meatgrinder of physically strenuous …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/09/21 12:36 AM
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Schools? Nursing? Libraries? Literally any female-dominated field (none of which have gender outreach to get more men involved unlike the reverse for STEM)? You also seem to think power is a binary on/off switch. Do you honestly think female heads of state or members of cabinet have no power whatsoever? I know that you dont, but thats exactly what youre trying to claim
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 09:05 PM
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Regardless of the causes, their motives in saying it are identical. They want to invalidate the suffering of a group they hate as a real problem, and so they engage in victim blaming based on shared immutable characteristics with most perpetrators. Like that means any-goddamn-thing at all Y'know- progressive stuff like that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 08:02 PM
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OK. So what is more harmful to men, Trudeau being a dickhead and virtue signaling to the media about what type of privileged onepercenter is in his cabinet, or conservatives slashing at the social safety net - decisions which always affects men first because no political firestorm ensues when men are harmed by fiscal policy?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 05:15 PM
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Would it not be fair to assume that a person who is irritated by the dismissal of mens rights to be rightwing in my country due to the leftwing's pure inability of compassion towards it? No, because that's exactly the assumption made by feminists, and when it comes to men's rights, everybody knows feminists completely get it wrong I am left wing because of my stances on the environment, LGBT rights, correctional reform, financial inequality, staying out of unnecessary wars, abortion rights, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 03:36 PM
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Dude, come on. Left wing is left wing We can certainly talk about and debate leftie issues from differing leftie perspectives as they intersect with men. In fact it would probably be useful conversation. But fighting over who the true Scotsman is ... thats just counterintuitive and needlessly divisive I imagine the whole goddamn point of this place is the surprisingly emotional epiphany I experienced when I found this place. After YEARS of being bludgeoned with the narrative that I am right wing…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 02:26 PM
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I cant speak for our mods, but I can say with certainty that there are a lot of really spiteful remarks and generalizations about women on that sub which go totally unchallenged, and which would be removed by a mod on here so fast none would even have time to reply. Also, "no low effort posts" is a rigidly enforced rule on here which is underrated. It keeps the quality of discussion high and as a result we never have the "grrr lady Ghostbusters reboot" types on here because it's not a space for …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 02:13 PM
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I just go into relationship subs to balance out the man bad woman right advice while not adding to the bAsEd AnD rEdPiLlEd noise. Works pretty well I dont hate the idea of a space for true man's eye view dating advice that isnt spewing TRP bullshit but it would certainly invite the optics that this place is ackshually just a bunch of incels certain bad faith actors on other subs love to spread
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/09/21 01:49 PM
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It's literally muh black on black crime, for feminists. The motives are identical.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 11:41 PM
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Im so OOTL on wacky ANTIFA rhetoric i dont even know what a crypto-fascist is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 11:35 PM
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THE TIN MAN Lots of others but he should absolutely be the first imo
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 07:31 PM
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I mean, it IS valid to criticize the American DNC for its center right bullshit. They rigged two primaries in a row against Bernie Sanders to prevent UHC, debt forgiveness, more accessible postsecondary etc from happening. That's appalling, and you dont have to be "left of Mao" to say so Obviously there are many ultra-fringe loonies living in a completely different galaxy though but acting like the represent the whole substance of criticising the righty tendencies of the DNC isnt fair. I live in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 04:15 PM
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Good compromise!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 04:10 PM
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personally attack my opinion That's not a thing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/09/21 12:10 AM
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Yeah, judging by the complete lack of engagement with people giving meaningful answers to his question, OP is pretty clearly just making excuses to do what he has already decided to do. The complete crickets when people point out that there are other protest vote options like greens or indie etc demonstrates quite handily that OP doesn't want the Dems to lose out of spite, he wants Republicans to win
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/08/21 09:41 AM
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Donald Trump did a pretty good job as President jesus christ
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 11:59 PM
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The other problem is that the GOP are a vastly greater enemy of men than even the angriest feminists. To an almost titanic degree Feminists have the Duluth Model. The right has thousands of Duluth equivalents that have ravaged men, especially working class men, for ages
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 11:57 AM
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Because for all the feminist window dressing of the DNC, the GOP will always be the party that is worse for men. Always. By exponential orders of magnitude Eager to go to war at every opportunity, sending young men to death, disfigurement, and trauma. Eager to cheat veterans out of benefits after they fight the above mentioned stupid pointless wars Eager to reduce public school funding, which is often the only schooling black and/or poor men will receive Eager to cut the social safety net wherev…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/08/21 11:53 AM
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That's true. Im just losing my stomach for pointless arguments. Who has the time?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 09:24 PM
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There's plenty of money to go around. The problem isnt social services, it's the lack of taxes on the ultra-rich. The idea that you cant have it both ways (a stable economy AND a social safety net) is a lie perpetuated by a layer cake of rightwing propaganda Daily reminder that Jeff fucking Bezos got a tax return during the Trump administration
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 09:21 PM
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That's a really interesting observation.. Cant endorse the comparison though, as white supremacy was pretty well the dominant social belief to some level or another. In this case the MRAs are the heretics of the time at the base level of their beliefs, before the extremism is discussed.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 08:31 PM
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This person claims theyre here to see for themselves, but not one of their comments seems to be in good faith. Their tact seems to be to discern the view of whomever theyre speaking to, make the worst possible interpretation of any statement they respond to directly, and then drive their stake in the mud in in a clearly judgmental and adversarial fashion Which would be fine - and to be clear, theyre certainly theyre not doing anything ban-worthy or even warning-worthy. But they arent actually di…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 08:26 PM
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Kinkshaming isnt cool, but she is not helping the stereotype that people actually get into BDSM because they are hateful, mentally ill people driven by sexist loathing That isnt true of BDSM enjoyed as a whole. But it sure as shit is clearly true about this person
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 08:07 PM
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The uiest thing about Dr Phil is that even when his advice is correct and his take isnt brain dead ..... he diesnt actually give a shit aboht the people involved and trots them around like a circus sideshow to sensationalize the story and make more money He's sleazier than Dr Oz tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/08/21 07:28 PM
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NEET-shaming could be an example. Why is NEET even a label we use? Why are they seen as anything other than people who obviously need some help?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 02:41 PM
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You raise a fair point that i have no lived experience as an older single man to reference. Do you have some personal experience to share? Genuinely want to hear more on the topic I can imagine gossip about older (and many younger) single men being creepy, being distrusted around children (this one I HAVE seen) and so on. But that adds extra context once again that isnt related to the subject of OP
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 02:39 PM
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If you're not talking about MGTOW, what ARE you talking about with "in this century" relevance? Your response is almost nonsequitur - are we now talking about historic responses to bachelorhood specifically? Because thats a different conversation. Id say yes in the case of bachelorshaming in the early to mid20th century where bachelors were assumed to be closet cases as possibly coming from that perspective. But you spoke of this as a contemporary matter. I never see out of hand contempt for sin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:16 AM
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Normally I'd share your cynicism, but if Derry was being platformed in the usual way you'd expect, you would think all the critical questions he was asked (and to which he gave atrocious answers) would have been censored.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:08 AM
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They're still managing to avoid self-awareness, of course: His approach was very black and white, very binary, and frankly preachy. Is there actually a sub for very cynical, self-loathing cis men that message is good for? That seemed pretty obviously sarcastic to me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:05 AM
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The vast majority of the response thread is negative. I've seen literally one or two comments that actually stood by Derry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 10:01 AM
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I hope this is it. But it is also possible that Derry was chosen intentionally, by a certain mod of which we are all aware, to act as the speaker on IPV and they just misjudged the sLib's tolerance level for bullshit as higher than it is.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 09:59 AM
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Assuming youre talking about MGTOW, nah. The contempt comes from the impression that they are all misogynist neckbeards. An impression the subs did little to discourage Men pay the most in taxes while receiving the least in tax-funded services. Single men are definitely providing.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/08/21 09:06 AM
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Im aware. And frankly it feels impossible to "vote liberal" these days in a meaningful sense, but that's a whole other depressing conversation. But it reads pretty nonsequitur to me. Right versus left as analogous to good vs evil isnt the point. Most of the arguments listed in OP are unequivocally rightwing, such as bootstrap rhetoric or broadbrushing dismissive notions about "being responsible". These arent leftie arguments in any context, just rightwing arguments shitty supposed lefties are wi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/21 08:25 PM
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The cashless welfare card idea got trialed in Australia applied to some of our most disadvantaged people, and it was a complete clusterfuck that's only real outcome was it made them more likely to commit suicide Do you have more specific information on why it didnt work? Guessing it was the destitute, mentally ill, drug-addicted and homeless who had the worst outcomes but would love to learn more I can't see it working any better for child support. Why not, though? Child support is added revenue…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/08/21 03:51 PM
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Sorry, what? Are you defending the sentiments in OP?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/21 11:58 PM
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I once suggested in a debate on family law that child support should be loaded on a prepaid credit card that only works on certain, specific things (groceries, children's clothes, a security deposit on an apartment etc) and that the father should be able to monitor it or at least file a report to see it. People went utterly batshit hogfuck insane with rage. Sorry, folks, but how exactly does ensuring that it is impossible to spend child support on anything other than supporting the child bad for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/21 11:51 PM
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Agreed. Mass increase of pension age for all women is damn near identical to these ass-backward "reparations for womyn" ideas you hear once in a while. Punish the individual for collective and averaged stats? Fuck that. Build a world where men dont die younger and we ALL get to retire younger
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/08/21 11:58 PM
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I would look up support groups in your area. It is absolutely worth it. Every support group has a rule that youre allowed to "pass" if you dont feel comfortable sharing. Thus you could go check off out to see if it works for you. If the vibe is off, you can just pass and listen to others' stories to see if being their empathetic ear helps at all, then pick a new one I find myself saying this a lot lately. People in the real world are so very seldom the teeth-gnashing radical feminists and blackp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 10:44 PM
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How about you actually watch the goddamn video/read the goddamn article before burping up copypasta? You know, ACTUALLY ENGAGE the topic? Youre as bad as the radfem concern trolls we get here, and seeing your post was heavily downvoted before I got here fills me with vindication about what kind of community we have built.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 10:26 PM
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It would do these dumbass educators some good to read up on social contagion
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 10:22 PM
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You can talk about it here, if you like. We are sympathetic to ALL survivors - male, female, and trans/NB
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 10:19 PM
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I was talking about [insert men's issue] and a friend butted in to ask why I struggled to empathize with women. Again. Projection! And this exactly what people like the dipshit who posted that thread in TwoX want: they want even acknowledging men having issues to become synonymous with misogyny. You think men dying 10 years sooner than women is a problem? Why do you hate women?!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 10:17 PM
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The people that say that about true feminism are largely full of shit and will drop the "by other men", blame toxic masculinity, blame "patriarchy backfiring", or some other rhetorical bait and switch about which they would be happy to eDuCaTe you For the most part, the truly reasonable feminists arent engaged in these conversations at all. Theyre the ones you meet in real life, who will listen to your points and as long as you're not just going on an anti-feminism tirade, will usually admit tha…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 07:28 PM
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Ahhh the projection "hurdur they think we live in a matriarchy" Nope. Youre the one insisting on tribalist absolutism with absolutely no nuance - NOT me. Im perfectly capable of noticing that the majority of extremely negative outcomes (being homeless, assaulted, murdered, poor and without a social safety net, dying young, dying at war, dying on the job, killing yourself) happen to men ... and also noticing, for example, the abhorrent coordinated attack on abortion rights a couple years ago. Two…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 07:24 PM
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Both of those sentences would earn either ridicule or ACKshuallyyyyy rants from a feminist. They would offer you education, not empathy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 04:10 PM
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I'd wager thats absolutely the motive of any doctor espousing pre-adult HRT and GRS. Unsure how much they influence the topic in mainstream society though, but people LOVE to quote quacks for propaganda. I cant say I think thats really driving the machinery though. It's hard to guess at these things because the sleaze that is American healthcare is so foreign to me as a modern citizen with access to UHC. I remember reading about that lawyer that had to fight a battle with big pharma because they…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/08/21 04:05 PM
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Which is why faux feminism is so chic for corporations. They get social points for being the good guys(tm) here and now, endless free advertisement due to the inevitable toxic online conversations about it, and if the corporstion is big enough that a billionaore's interests are at stake ... it keeps working class men and women at odds with each other Forget the French Revolution. These fuckers wont even allow another New Deal
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/08/21 12:24 AM
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I'd argue the very fact that we place valuation on human beings - and then treat them well or poorly based on these valuations - is the root if not the explicit basis for almost every major sociopolitical problem.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 12:15 AM
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There was also that guy who was a ... uh ... Americaboo? The UK gent who insisted he was a Trump supporting American before going on his own rampage. This is a clear and developing problem, but OP is right to suggest that the current default MO of snarling condescencion is not helping. You did a good job digging up receipts of instances. Do you have anything to add to the broader point of ths topic, though?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/08/21 12:04 AM
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Taking the high road is part of why so many people entangled in this web of lies decided to come forward. Not being defensive was exactly the right move. He let people "listen and believe" for a while and then came back with a mountain of evidence and witnesses backing him up, and now the pathological lies and acts of downright evil pettiness that started this are crumbling into ashes. There are no Johnny Depp angles here. He never booted Barrows in the ass in front of a plane full of witnesses.…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/08/21 05:34 PM
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Here's a crazy idea ... how about they promote gender parity and special consideration for the men that DO want to be teachers? Exactly like they do for women in STEM? Anyone applying to be a teacher obviously wants to be one. So give men more chances instead of giving in to gamma bias and sexist preconceptions about women being more nurturing. This objection about " 'forcing' more (insert gender) into (insert job)" is and has always been bunk. In both directions. No one is using a claw machine …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/08/21 05:49 PM
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Fair enough We're still playing directly into their hands though, which I hate. This link probably gave those fauxke hipster charlatans dozens of rage clicks
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/21 09:57 AM
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Does posting Buzzfeed articles count a s a low effort content rule violation? Because it should. You know exactly what youre getting when you click on a Buzzfeed link. Intentionally inflammatory garbage. You are literally playing right into their profit plan, OP
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/21 12:06 AM
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The best way to do it is to do it. pickme isn't a thing. It's a dehumanizing term keant to shut up women who dare to notice things like the life gap or the suicide gap and suggest that they kind of matter. Women who think equality should go both ways are a threat to the carefully constructed strawman caricature of an angry middle class white basement dwelling incel. They NEED that to be the only person the public imagines when the topic of men's advocacy. If someone calls you a pickme, it's beca…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/08/21 05:37 PM
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Because delusion does all sorts of things to the mind. Clearly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/08/21 01:30 AM
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Thats the lifestyle Hes talking about the sub itself which was a blackpill doomer misogynist hellhole
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/08/21 11:59 PM
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Oh shit they finally nuked GenderCritical? Amazing. How the hell did that happen?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/08/21 12:38 AM
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Both of the terms youre taking issue with encompass such a vast spectrum of opinions they are like canyons. There are some opinions under those banners I consider outright offensive. Others with which I wholeheartedly agree. Example of positive intersectional theory as we discuss it here: Black men often bear a more severe burden from institutional and systemic sexism against men. Do you disagree with that assertion? If so, why? And does your disagreement actually come from data or fact - or ref…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/21 08:57 PM
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It's not right-wing It's not censored Casual sexism is CONSISTENTLY deleted (and the offender chided) every single time it comes up All of the above make this definitively NOT the alt-right haven the MRM is sullied as in mainstream opinion (and in some fringe corners, sadly is) We allow people with differing perspectives Sometimes I read things I reallh agree with Sometimes I read things I really disagree with In either case it is always interesting Low effort bullshit and whining is not tolerat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/08/21 07:21 PM
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Good. Link me when it is released because that was unbelievable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 09:10 PM
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Not the circle jerk i was talking about. I was talking about the circle jerk of people bashing this sub with obviously bullshit accusations of racism and misogyny. Preface: I like your website and think you bring valuable new looks to LWMA. I want you to stick around. Look, I dont like the mensrights sub and can't stand its tolerance of low effort whingefests and sexist generalizations about women. With that said... The people in there were screaming at the top of their lungs that black men don'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 05:26 PM
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I think most people here qould love to seeore of those perspectives. Unfortunately, self-righteous circlejerk propaganda and outright lies actively tarnish our image to people who would bring valuable new perspective.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 04:16 AM
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Jesus Christ that self-righteous circle jerk in your hyperlink is one of the most pathetic things I've ever seen on Reddit.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/07/21 04:14 AM
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...excuse me? We talk about institutional racism on here a LOT. Institutional racism - and those in power's absolutely PATHETIC token responses to these issues - often reveals or illuminates institutional sexism as well (see: Canada's MMIW issue and the complete silence on MMIM). I do agree that the broader MRM is too neutral at best. But this place exists largely because of how many "hurdur Dindu Nuffin, hurdur transphobic bigoted remark" types you will find elsewhere. Sentencing disparity and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/07/21 11:17 PM
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if you volunteer at a homeless shelter you will he primarily helping men and no one would be able to judge you for it much less identify it as MRA behavior
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/07/21 04:34 PM
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I'm sorry for what you went through, truly, but this argument is absolutely terrible and has no logical merit. You were targeted for failing to live up to the gendered expectations of men - there is zero justification to extend that to "therefore it would he worse if I was a woman" when the central stimulus to your bullies would be absent. You were AMAB and did not live up to your gender role, and were socially punished for your deviation. That's repugnant and horrible, and trans/NB/queer rigjts…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 06:41 PM
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100% of fat people are fat because of their eating choices. There's no such thing as a disorder that makes weight appear on your body. There are plenty of disorders that make you want to overeat though, or make your body use calories SLIGHTLY less efficiently
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/07/21 06:25 PM
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Thinking of John Turturro's racist pizza parlor employee from Do The Right Thing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/21 02:13 PM
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Title IX kangaroo courts? Equal parenting rights shot down just this year? Like 3 countries terminated efforts to change the definition of rape to include men raped by women after feminist lobbying? Even if this were not happening, my point with Duluth is that it lives on today despite all available evidence making it clearly wrong. Yet the theory and the people who push it are not disgraced, nor even politely disagreed with
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/07/21 01:00 AM
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Naive is the word I would use. There is zero reason to believe they will even lose the power they currently have to enact or push for indefensible policies. The idea that that the pendulum will swing all the way back to the point that they are held accountable and must beg for readmission to society is laughable. More likely: They will have cozy jobs making north of 70K/yr where they get their asses kissed all day and night which they got through "networking"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 11:24 PM
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10 years from now the radical feminists will have a lot of explaining to do in regards to their brazen & unapologetic sexism towards men. Their future prosperity depends on a sincere apology in order to be re-accepted back in to society nah Radical feminists created the Duluth Model decades ago. It continues to be used in spite of literally all available DV evidence and people are more brazen than ever about espousing its lies Hate to break it to you, but you're the one on the outside looking in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 11:17 PM
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Sounds like youre quite a bit older than the fellow you were talking to. I dont think it's really fair to hold them to that standard. You have already built yohr life and it would be quite difficult to take from you. millennials like the one you engaged are just starting to build their own in a rigged economy destroyed by the greed of previous generations that have left them an inhospitable working culture and none of the prosperity, while at the same time they will be expected to clean up the c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 02:41 AM
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Examples might be: men fighting women, women being drafted, prison stats, rape. It's like, do you actually have a philosophy here, or are you just some spineless, jaded man with a chip on your shoulder? I was nodding along to every word you said until now. Completely, utterly, wholly lost me here. Men fighting women? Obvipusly most men are much stronger than a vast majority of women by far. But when is this relevant, the equal rights and equal lefts bullshit? Because I never see pussypassdenied …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/07/21 02:23 AM
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My bad friend! I thought the "oh please" was directed at OP, not the sentiment lampooned BY op, which I agree is stupid Truly sorry. I will leave my wrongness in place
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 11:44 PM
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I remember when the left was almost by definition aligned with science and evidence That's never been the case with men's issues though. The best the left has ever been on men's issues is ignorant. Warren Farrel's quasi-excommunication after finding new and undeniable discoveries through scientific method shows that this has always (and in my cynical pov, will always) be a blindspot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 01:03 PM
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The person who wrote and directed the film explicitly said that's not what the movie is about You're These people also perfectly exemplify the point of OP, which is the ridiculously narrow and reductive lens through which supposed progressives see male friendships and relationships Jealousy of your friend's attention, wow, must be because gay. No one has ever felt jealousy of a friend's significant other without wanting to fuck the friend - never in history!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 12:51 PM
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Don't you disrespect Captain America's adequate first film. That was one of the few times in relatively recent memory that a mainstream megacorporation spent a dump truck full of money on a depiction of positive yet traditional masculinity (and he's even straight and white - unthinkable these days).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 12:48 PM
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the sleeping naked next to his niece is pretty self explanatory ...what is self-explanatory? I REALLY hope you are not defending that shit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 12:44 PM
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That's dumb as hell. Frodo wingmanning for Samwise with that girl he liked was instantly endearing, and the insinuation that Sam's heroics in Two Towers and RotK are motivated by romance and not his own drive cheapens them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 12:11 PM
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Im reminded of people laser focusing on Fight Club as a coming out take, citing evidence such as the Narrator admiring Tyler Durden's naked body on the beach, after Chuck Palahniuk came out. Just a total unwillingness to engage the material as anything but homoerotic subtext because of the new information that the writer happened to be gay I found that so despicable. As though a gay man can't write about a straight man's grapple with masculinity and the capitalist machinery, or write about - or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 12:03 PM
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MBFC is a good site. It's just poisoned to all fuck on the subject of men's issues. Like literally every single other info source in the mainstream
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/07/21 11:20 AM
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We have fear too. The difference is no one asks us if we do, no one publishes stories about it, and no one would care even if either of those things were not the case. I also see no purpose in expressing this fear or going put of my way to tell others about it. Youre the first person to ask me, and so I am answering you. As a man, I will probably never be asked again Im a big guy that has handled myself in fights. I still have that fear in a dark alley at night, or retrieving my car after parkin…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/07/21 05:42 PM
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Yechh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/07/21 02:06 AM
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Oh come off of it. You and I both know the latter is NOT what I was talking about. Your response barely qualifies as on topic it meanders so far from the point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 12:55 PM
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She called the mere mention of mens' issues equivalent to all lives matter. That is incredibly harmful speech. Period. And I will not stand for any defense or downplaying of someone saying shit like that, not from someone that claims to stand for equality. You're better than this. That's not "being a bad talker". That is an intentional, wholesale dismissal of the idea that an epidemic rate of suicide - to name just ONE very undeniable issue - matters.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 12:52 PM
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And not all men is equally valid when in response to "men are [knowingly hostile accusation]", "men are scum", "men [insert shitty thing a tiny minority of men and some women do]" or the even more mask-off "yes all men". Which is why "not all men" got the same treatment as "what about men". They dont have a retort so they just repeat the words again and again as derisively as possible. Because their objection to said words is an indefensible position and they know it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 12:46 PM
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Was thinking the very same. Seems like she has plenty of time to argue that selective service isnt discrimination though, or to desperately gerrymander rape statistics in an effort to minimize male victims and female perpetrators in a way even her feminist co-mod was calling out This wasn't open minded curiosity. It was mining for "material"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 04:47 AM
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The disparity between missing and murdered Indigenous men and women is almost exactly the same as the disparity between missing and murdered non-Indigenous men and women. Now factor in how many MMIW there are and really think about the implications Stop second-guessing these very fair questions you are asking. Wondering why nobody gives a shit about the absolute mountain of dead Indigenous men in the West is not invalidating the suffering of women, nor that you don't care about it. That doesnt e…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 03:25 AM
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It shouldn't be fringe. The fact that addressing very real and oceanic gender divides has been ghettoized as "not progressive", or even falsely labeled as "regressive", has been a stunning and difficult to watch failure on the left's part for 10+ years
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 02:09 AM
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So, what caused this and how do we combat it - both for ourselves and our sons? It's absolutely wild how we absolutely never hear about this except through fringe sources despite what an obviously terrible thing it is
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/06/21 02:00 AM
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Offer apologies for past remarks, such as that this sub is basically white lives matter. Right. That or, if she has had some kind of dramatic paradigm shift, she could answer my question and tell us about why. Which was the whole point of asking it. The person who compared a fucking suicide epidemic to white lives matter would not be here for any reason that resembles good faith, unless she has changed a lot. If she has changed that's a productive discussion. And if she has not changed, confront…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/21 04:11 AM
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"Vitriol" is a comically dramatic way to describe what I said. It's valid to ask what her motives are when she has been a consistent bad faith engager everytime she entered a discussion with people from this sub. Im more interested in the answer to that question than I am in answering her question - the answer to which is literally in the about tab on this sub as a formal mission statement, I might add. If she truly cares what we think, she is putting in the smallest possible amount of effort to…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/21 01:34 AM
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Do you actually care? Because after we were invited to your sub, I vividly recall nonstop virulence and strawman-reliant browbeating from you What are you actually, in brutally honest terms, looking for here? What made you suddenly decide to ask what people think?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/06/21 12:45 AM
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Those are all very good things that will make a big difference in the world around you, especially added up over the course of your entire life. When the world reopens, spend more time doing positive things like that and less of it being upset on the internet - it does none of us any good, especially not yourself. You only upset me because you were literally inciting violence with your last post, meanwhile acting like there is "no other choice" when it was obvious you hadnt tried anything else y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/21 03:31 PM
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You need therapy. There are literally thousands of things you can do without engaging in politically motivated violence, for fuck's sakes. Dont say you have "little or no choice" when you have likely done no advocacy work whatsoever. You are being the exact kind of person feminists try to smear the entire men's advocacy movement as. Do better.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/21 02:04 PM
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That's a fucking textbook? It's atrocious. It's written like a God damn Tumblr post. Meandering, circularly arguing garbage
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/06/21 03:20 AM
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Lol, a proposed law that will decrease the ability of innocent men to defend themselves that has its worst impact on minority men. now watch supposed lefties champion this as "progress"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/06/21 07:23 PM
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an absolute shitload
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/06/21 12:46 AM
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You realize the guy doesnt actually believe that rhetoric, right? The whole purpose of writing it the way he did was to lampoon that logic.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/06/21 08:03 PM
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What family unit do MRAs threaten? The one where Dad pays thousands of dollars a month to see his kids on two weekends?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/21 11:49 PM
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You should unsub and leave a civil and thoughtful comment explaining why. Then if you watch their videos in future, do so with an adblocker/umatrix/etc.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/06/21 01:11 PM
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"I don't like guys that are like steroids big, I just like a natural fit look, you know like Thor or Captain America" - an actual sentiment I've heard from multiple women
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 02:06 AM
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It's stuff like this that makes life hell for people with autism.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/06/21 01:12 AM
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Well, sure. And Ive never once read a feminist admit that family court is broken. Some things are just intrinsic aspects of feminism and also an impassable barrier to its attempt to represent true egalitarianism. But she at least has a clear and sincere interest in investigating topics 90% of feminists want to avoid like the bubonic plague, such as female privilege and entitlement - as in this article - and sees them as the problem that they are. Lamont is clearly a reasonable person you could h…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 11:14 PM
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Sounds like one of the Good Feminists to me. Would love to see TwoX spin around in circles trying to justify this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 10:34 PM
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Thats why I say we should liberate men and boys from any instances of "you must...." instead of what follows the ellipsis - if that makes sense!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 05:43 PM
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A true LWMA is by definition an old stock liberal leftist Whe we talk about toxic expectations we are talli g about You have to be a risk taker You have to be boorish You have to pay for dates You have to be comic book buff (literally physically impossible without steroids fyi) Regardless of your buffness you are not truly hot unless you make six figures No talking about your feelings No interest in feminine things And so on No one should want to liberate men from these qualities IF they feel th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 05:06 PM
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What are your MRA beliefs, specifically? Continuing from there, what do you think society ought to do to act upon those beliefs? I want to be very clear. I like seeing diversity of thought on this sub, and you argue your points in interesting ways. Im not gatekeeping, and disagreement on the finer points within substance sharpens all views But you spend an awful lot of time "to be fair"ing and "well actually"ing on here, and any amount of time legitimizing FragileMaleRedditor is questionable. We…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/06/21 12:49 PM
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So.... what was the SCOTUS explanation for this? Like, obviously it is muh military industrial complex with a splash of muh chivalry. But what is the rationale they provided that they are pretending motivates this decision?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/06/21 11:34 PM
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Depends on the society. Canada and the U.K.? Probably, because the occupy the position that things must change as much as possible in women's favor for equality to emerge despite being unquestionably favored in many areas and equal in most. Saudi Arabia? Hardly. USA? Sometimes misguided, but let's not pretend Roe v. Wade is not under siege and thats a huge problem
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/06/21 08:50 PM
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I honestly don't think Canada is perfect and we have a lot to work on as well, I think the main point that annoyed me is your ignorance of our healthcare. You dont get it though... he disagrees! His disagreement is equally as valid as your pesky statistics
/r/MensRights05/06/21 11:13 PM
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I liked their razors but they were always overpriced so this was an easy boycott for me. I think looking up their parent company P&G and boycotting other products in the corporate umbrella would have been wise, but i was never incensed enough to do that kind of research. I think someday, when more honest and less censored conversations about social issues are taking place, even the people who believe toxic masculinity rhetoric wholesale will consider the ad a misfire of tone and an overstep in i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/06/21 12:28 PM
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Plus yknow, that slight problem of the prison industrial complex that is primarily supported by cons
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/06/21 12:22 PM
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Toxic masculinity cause us man to advance, move forwards and more productive. If we were to cry society would either laugh or ignore it, so there's no use This is a very interesting point Toxic masculinity is a thing, Ive experienced it personally. BUT, it is NOT the cause of male suffering. It might even be a defense mechanism that has developed over the millennia as a way to survive in spite of the near-complete lack of support for men experiencing hard times (That's without touching the actua…
/r/MensRights31/05/21 09:55 AM
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Which issues, the ones I currently face, the ones I used to face, or general societal ones?
/r/MensRights31/05/21 09:47 AM
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That's very kind of you to check in. Years ago I was homeless. I have since managed to bootstrap my way to success. I am loved by a perfect wife and a smaller but more meaningful circle of friends. These days I face new challenges, ironically also very male challenges, like working way way way too much. But I am happy and safe most days. Trying to clear up the schedule to find time to volunteer at men's resource centers and homeless shelters. I suspect having "been there" might make some hard kn…
/r/MensRights31/05/21 04:39 AM
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My attempts involved both of those things, and kids/divorce had nothing to do with it
/r/MensRights31/05/21 04:13 AM
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Left wing male advocacy. It's right there in the name, after all!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/21 11:32 PM
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Depends on the specific trans issue (and in which directuon you are "trans" but the tldr is we're with you regardless of what you discover and/or decide. Qe are left wing advocates after all. And as a person whose biosex is male you will still be affected by plenty of men's issues, especially if you decide upon merely social transition. TERFs and hardline right wingers for example have a lot of ugly common ground here.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/21 11:31 PM
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This sub was officially invited by the mods of FeminismUncensored. If you don't like not having a curated echo chamber, that's too fucking bad. Go to TrollX, TwoX, FDS and all the rest. They will be happy to protect you from challenging thoughts and people who commit such hate crimes such as disagreeing with you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/05/21 11:15 PM
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I did say doing things for catharsis's sake is fine. I'm not being aggressive - I'm calling out an argument you made that we both know is bullshit. And now you're changing the subject from the matter at hand to tone, because you know I'm right. Which anyone reading this conversation will catch onto. See what I mean about attacking the argument?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 07:28 PM
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"No Im not. You are!" End of discussion You and I both know damn well that insulting people has never changed someone's mind, or for that matter accomplished anything other than making them even more defensive, so let's dispense with the BS. If insulting people gives you a catharsis, fair enough, but own the fact that that's why you actually do it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 07:21 PM
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But you can attack the individual by attacking their ideas. Which forces them to try to defend their unreasonable positions, whereas you can be easily and gleefully ignored for ad hominem argumentation if all you say is "idiot".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 07:16 PM
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Im disappointed that you would anticipate harmful stereotypes on a left wing sub! I would really really love to read a detailed look at true equality feminism and what a country (Japan in this case) where that is THE dominant strwam of feminism looks like If you ever have the energy to write a post from your perspective I bet everyone woupd love to read it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 12:41 PM
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Oof. I feel this post
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 12:29 PM
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Nice. What country? Ive never heard of a place where truly egalitarian values are the dominant feminist current. I want to know more
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 12:27 PM
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Do you not see the reason society is unwilling to have that conversation given the perpetration statistic? Furthermore, when there are almost zero DV resources for male victims, where are men supposed to take their children if theyre being abused and need to escape the household?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 12:13 PM
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You know what? This is the first comment of its kind Ive ever seen and I respect the hell out of it. Sorry for the presumption of bad faith. Stick around!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/05/21 03:42 AM
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Somehow, I do not anticipate a Gillette advert about this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 09:09 PM
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Seems funny that youre still actively posting exclusively in mens rights subs but havent come back to this post to answer the valid rebuttals youve been given by several people. Does the fruit not hang low enough for you?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 09:07 PM
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Why was this thread deleted? The hardline edge of this sub's locals is why I sequester myself over at LWMA, which made me very impressed with your modpost
/r/MensRights28/05/21 08:51 PM
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Okay, but again, almost no one on here needs to be convinced there are two tiers of justice. The few that would need convincing are not going to be convinced by one single example but might be convinced by hard statistical data which is much harder to deny. You gave one example. Well, Brock Turner only got a slap on the wrist for quasi-abducting and molesting a passed out girl behind a dumpster. I guess SA isnt taken seriously and men just get away with it because male privilege right? Or... it'…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 02:41 PM
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Youre not wrong to call this a singular instance of the two tiered justice system, but i feel like a single anecdote of something already documented with generalized statiatics qualifies as a low effort post. This isn't r/pussypass What are we going to discuss here other than agree with each other about things we already know and that are better proven elsewhere?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/05/21 12:28 PM
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....it's sexism because these resources are ONLY for women. Not because wome receive help at all. How did you miss the point so completely? There are very few men's shelters and they are rarely supported by government. Thats the definition of systemic discrimination
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/05/21 11:58 AM
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C'mon man, you dont see a difference between Jeffrey Epstein and a plumber that stumbles into an innovative way to unclog a toilet? As soon as the top of a pyramid establishes itself and cements a power base, all possible power is exerted to maintain that position. You think chaos explains unethical lobbying? The phony distinction of neoliberalism from conservatism? People literally kept making and selling leaded gasoline for years because unleaded gasoline cost more to make. A full court press …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:41 PM
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Oh dont get me wrong. The elite absolutely stumbled into the formula for success and then just replicated the success produced by accident. I just meant that there IS a Them keeping people down. It just isnt the straight white male piñata that has been commodified as a convenient target The idea that, what, cavemen and horticultural nomadic village managers formed a cabal to design society to their benefit? Laughable. But a lot of the dogshit lives lived by most people (people, not women) in mod…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:32 PM
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You and me both. It's almost a dogwhistle at this point that says you're more interested in what men can do differently than what you can do differently for men. Crying more isnt going to stop a man living in his car to support his 5 kids and exwife in the house he got kicked out of from killing himself. It's not going to stop a man with a criminal record who cant get a job in spite of honest efforts from going back to old ways. It's not going to stop low income men from killing each other. Just…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:27 PM
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Someone this simpleminded will be in for a rude awakening in STEM classes, post-grad, or the workplace. Just roll your eyes and forget about it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:22 PM
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Ehhhhhh. Any anti-idpol YTer is just going to send FEMINIST GHOSTBUSTERS types our way. Not the fault of the youtubers but thats their usual audience. Hard pass. People never post about stupid shit like that on here and it is one of the reasons attempts to criticize us never hold any water
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:15 PM
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whoever came out on top, they must have orchestrated things They kinda did The thing is, "they" is not comprised of "straight white men". It's the men (AND women) of the upper eschelon of society.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 11:09 PM
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Then there is a very angry person out there misreading my posts, for whatever reason, haha. My bad.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 12:21 AM
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Yeah, sounds more like they have no idea what theyre missing. I have no idea what not being circumcized feels like, but I can hazard a guess that that i would feel more than almost literally nothing while wearing a condom during sex. Condoms being the only form of birth control I have complete power over, so thats just fantastic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/05/21 12:08 AM
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Not sure why you downvoted me, I didnt disagree with you about, well, anything really. I just said characterizing NOMAS as the equivalent of a sociological gall bladder or appendix from a bygone era doesnt quite capture its inanity, as there is pretty visibly nothing in common from their mission statements with a second waver not named MacKinnon or Dworkin
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/21 11:51 PM
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I mean, have you read this website? NOMAS isnt just obscure ... it is almost identical to Mens Lib and completely indistinguishable from modern feminism in its staunch denial of male issues and victim blaming. The bullshit all over their website is nauseating.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/21 11:46 PM
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This is a feminist side-quest to diffuse the narrative about feminist misandry Considering they classify fathers' rights movements as male supremacy, theyre doing a comically shit job of it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/05/21 11:19 PM
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So... you cant find one single comment that hasnt been deleted to support your broadbrushing claim, but you still refuse to either find examples to support your claim OR admit that you were wrong? And you call someone a hypocrite for not proving a negative, yet it's just fine for you to make wild generalizations with absolutely no evidence? You're a joke
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 10:46 PM
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Im never going to discourage someone asking for sources, but men being the vast majority of homeless people is and has for a very long time been a well-documented, proven fact. Look it up and you will quickly find credible sources indicating as much. If youre asking for a source that poverty is a spectrum, I dont have one other than the readily apparent logic that sleeping in the gutter is different from transient housing is different from living under the poverty line is different from living p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 05:16 PM
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cricket sounds intensify
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 04:27 PM
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And then AMFE will remove it for breaking the rules within 30 seconds lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 03:06 PM
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Jesus Christ that second link was insufferable. What an infant
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 03:05 PM
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support services available to child sexual assault victims by sex. Oh no.... is there a gender gap here as well?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 03:02 PM
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No I didn't
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/05/21 02:27 PM
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Poverty is a spectrum. Destitution is a point at one extreme of it, and this point is almost exclusively occupied by men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/21 07:52 PM
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Are you trying to make the argument that authoritarianism is only/primarily a leftist trait? Because the guy youre responding never once denied that they can, have, and still do coexist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/21 06:32 PM
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I really wish men had the luxury of worrying about whether common phrases might have a whisper of unconscious coding to them, but theyre too busy losing their shirts in family court and going home after 14 hour work days to catch up on social media feeds that explicitly refer to them as trash, no code required It's a joke that bullshit like this is accepted uncritically as a reap issue but no one dares to even mention the gender gaps in criminal justice sentencing, destitute poverty, and murder
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/21 06:29 PM
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Asking if you can be someone's boyfriend is a passive and almost apologetic question that will turn off anyone that is not desperate. That's part and parcel of what is discussed in OP, of course, but an inescapable and ugly truth nonetheless
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/21 06:06 PM
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Agreed, but this is just one of the many examples of people using strawmen they've either creates or been fed as an excuse for punching down, after a lifetime of absorbing propaganda that tells them theyre actually punching up. Meanwhile few seem to interject with "how about we just don't throw punches?" It's getting worse now as zoomers become adults and join this already ridiculous conversation that amounts to little more than collective gaslighting. They have zero awareness of how things were…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/05/21 03:34 PM
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So is this org. collecting statistics, or what? If they are collecting stats for future reference that is a HUGE problem
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/05/21 05:32 PM
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Oh absolutely. This sentiment about how men have to call men out is both naive and callous at the same time. It's naive on the part of the people (mostly radfems or the very young and ignorant) who think Shitty Men have some sort of brotherhood with all men and they were only ever one "bro stop" away from changing their ways. And it is callous on the part of the people who are secretly aware of the above and demanding men chivalrously put their lives on the line for strangers. I know someome who…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/21 11:51 PM
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....I mean... if someone tries to mug or god forbid rape my wife, and Im around, I am 100% going to have to be murdered for the perpetrator to get to her. Would do the same for sisters. I think any woman is a bit of an extreme marker
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/05/21 07:12 PM
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But the OP doesnt police how men ought to deal with their emotions at all - in either direction. The point is that the cliche responses they get (if they get ANY acknowledgement at all) are always bullshit platitudes that mean nothing, don't help a person in distress one bit, and on some level are geared toward ending the interaction as quickly and with as little effort invested as possible. Honestly, I can't fathom how you see the lefthand column as any less banal or sterile Of course, women he…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/21 05:01 PM
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Just wanted to say welcome after noticing your flair. If you're here you obviously care about expanding the perspectives you have access to, and so do the head mods. Stick around!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/05/21 04:54 PM
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Heh, toxic feminism backfiring. Not often you see that one displayed so clearly.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/05/21 06:26 PM
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No. What the fuck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/21 01:15 PM
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The irony of the current year progressive stack dogma - not to be confused with True Scotsman Progressivism, an abstract ideal I like to think we lefties must define and create within our tangible world - is that it is borne from the academia of 60s-70s postmodernism. The TLDR of a real postmodernist belief system is "question everything. Even me." Cultural critique has no final answer. It is supposed to be constantly stacking self-criticism upon itself and refining through real discussions. Iro…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/05/21 08:30 AM
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Can I just say that the way this post is written is fantastic. Many MRAs can't talk about the Gillette ad without falling into hysterical anger and ranting. You on the other hand have eschewed both anger and outrage, meeting their questionable ethos by sincerely trying to understand what they are trying to do. In the process you have written something truly thoughtful and interesting. THIS POST should be the standard on here! Great job
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/21 10:57 AM
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Hopefully a better end result than Alberta... They shpuld have government funding, and it's ridiculous that they don't. Hopefully they are lobbying for it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/04/21 01:54 AM
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Cmon man. You dont think some of those blue collar guys breaking their backs digging trenches would give an office job a go if they were actually given that opportunity? And you dont think traditional gender roles & expectations on men have any influence on why a man might choose to crawl in a narrow mine shaft to plant explosive charges just to make an extra 5-10 bucks an hour? Feminism gets a bad rap for suggesting that individual choices dont happen in a completely innate vacuum. Theyre right…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 12:15 PM
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I think it bears mention that while Dworkin and MacKinnon utterly failed to achieve their insame goals, to this day their ideas are still taught in universities - and not as a cautionary tale. The problem with gender studies as a field isnt even feminism, it's the fact that psychotic gender extremists like them were some of the founding pillars of this field of "study". What is truly disturbing is that if you get a social sciences degree from a leftie college, even one that stays away from GS, y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 11:45 AM
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r/lostredditors
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/04/21 11:35 AM
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It was taught with extreme neutrality, and minimal discussion on the post-war treaties and the "under gunpoint duress" nature of them. I dont think it was even described as colonization by my teacher. Taking the history of medieval Europe, Arabia, Mongolia, and the Mediterannean/Gaza area in college for a few years was a really eye opening experience.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/21 03:00 PM
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You would eliminate anyone with British ancestry though. Post-WW1 resolution was pretty damn oppressive and colonizing, I was shocked when I learned what the "good guys" did after winning the supposed final war
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/04/21 01:43 PM
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Sorry, I should have been more specific. I was referring to his responses to their responses.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/21 12:39 AM
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I gotta be honest, the way you communicate doesnt help anything. Your frustration is understandable, but the way you start slinging the word bigot arpund left and right and "you just proved you hate men" is the exact kind of weak argument so many feminists are guilty of. Few people in that thread are talking about women or women's well-being. They're talking about you specifically amd yhe way you discuss things. On a few occasions they were being blockheads and the ignorance of the matter at han…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/21 08:54 PM
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Nah I get you. Just, man. Radfem dogma as reported on by a far right news org is a winning bingo card for ruining my day lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/21 03:13 PM
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I couldnt even finish that dogshit article. Postmedia + radical feminism is a double whammy I will never be in the mood for
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/21 01:34 AM
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How can it be sexism? Those hobo men have so much systemic power /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/21 06:59 PM
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Would absolutely love to see a law suit and a human rights claim on this. Trying to rule against it would be indefensible and trigger a lot of headlines.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/21 04:17 PM
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I think it's just a glorified homeless shelter tbh but it also has a lot of counseling and employment resources as well. Maybe if i got involved in the longterm I could try to inspire an ideological shift that considers uplifting men beyond just upgrading them from totally destitute to 'useful working class'
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/21 03:50 PM
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The OP hasn't read the book either
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/04/21 12:25 AM
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Ive actually put a lot of thought into this and Ive decided is the answer is to volunteer for something local that helps men. My city has a mens' resource center
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 11:46 PM
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Women are literally reproductive slaves in THMT dude, you're doing some wild gymnastics right now to try to land this point Have you read The End of Men? I'm betting you haven't.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 11:03 PM
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Not into the rabid bookburning ethos of OP at all
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 10:57 PM
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The Handmaiden's Tale isn't misogynist and this book isnt misandrist
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 10:50 PM
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Fantastic post Though I would point out the influence of The New Deal. As the world prospered, regular people asked why they didnt get any of the spoils they were toiling for - so they got them. A meaningful similar push didnt happen until Occupy Wall Street, and now just a decade later the working class is completely subdivided into petty infighting that for some reason is heavily bankrolled by the people that otherwise would have had to honor a New New Deal. Funny ....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/04/21 10:20 PM
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I don't really care about how they market a good left wing bill tbh. This kind of horse trading and doublespeak is how politics works. Judge their actions, not their words. (Well judge the words too, but not with as much presumption of sincerity) Tax breaks for all lower in ce workers eho pah taxes is A VERY good thing. The middle class has been choked out of existence by crony capitalism, Reagonomics, and a whole host of other intergenerational bullshit. If they have to bill this as being for t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/04/21 04:32 AM
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(Consider this reply a poor man's Take My Energy award)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/21 05:22 PM
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Im a big guy that was in a lot of fights when I was younger. Im still nervous in bad neighborhoods. It's not like hoodlums put up their dukes and challe ge you to honorable fisticuffs (not that that matters; contrary to popular belief, your muscles do t protect your brain from its own fragility. A very strong weighlifting woman could knock out many/most men if she got lucky with the punch) They hit you with pipes, stab you, swarm you in numbers and kick you while youre down. If youre luckt they …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/21 12:14 PM
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here people are It's one guy. Save the high horse for a more fitting occasion. I upvoted you because your broadest point is true and fair, and the other guy is wrongheaded, but next time you should probably actually address the individual instead of using them to underhandedly suggest that this sub/the MRM as a whole is like that. In a thread about generalization, no less.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/21 12:04 PM
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I think it's disgusting when people come here to police their perception of misogyny Good thing that's not why I'm here I don't mean this personally or for you to take offense Ah, the classic. "No offense, but..." Men's Groups there are people whose lives have been submerged in grief or trauma caused by Women. You have literally no idea what sort of hell I have lived through in my past, nor the significant degree to which women were responsible. Somehow I manage not to blame 50% of the populatio…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/04/21 11:22 AM
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Sidebar, but she's telling on herself with "brainwashed about being fat". Nobody's been brainwashed. Being fat is bad. Period. End of story. And this has never been disputed by anyone credible She seems aware that this "debate" is settled, but unaware that she's the person espousing nonsense
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/21 04:06 AM
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This is the hest one yet. I know the first Accidental Advocate slides had a few things that kinda stuck in my teeth. This is very logical and really clicks from start to finish and the tone is on point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/21 04:01 AM
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Holy shit, good catch.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/04/21 03:59 AM
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Some pretty fantastic points
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/21 10:31 PM
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Here's my thinking as a leftie: as soon as this story broke, i looked up the hoax perpetrators to see what their angle is. A lot of right wing ties - okay, noted. We likely wouldnt be friends or allies at a polling station. Does that disprove their assertions? Because that's the material question here. This idea that ideas or observations of value can only ever come from people who think a certain way is bullshit. If something is objectively true and the only people willing to say it are Abraham…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/21 03:49 PM
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I thpught this study would change the world, and yet somehow it's even more fringe than alt right dogshit like The Blaze or Daily Caller. HOW.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/21 03:32 PM
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Took ages, but done I think if you ever do a second survey you could stand for some delineation in some areas. Asking people if anyone would miss them if they went away is a loaded question that is going to be more reflective of mood than what they think. I.E. if i "went away" my wife and immediate family would be emotionally ruined for a long time, but the condescending shitheads I work with would barely notice. Someone living my life with a clear head, but who is more emotionally invested in c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/21 01:44 PM
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Uhhhh... please define
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/04/21 12:41 AM
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The 18 nay voters should be asked to explain themselves, on the record
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/21 11:18 PM
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More projections than a two storey multiplex
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/04/21 11:47 AM
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I was made fun of one time for it back in the day, but it was a man. Most people just assumed i wasnt. Then one day I wasnt and, shocker, the Earth didnt move
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/21 04:23 PM
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Affirmative/enthusiastic consent, as described by feminists, is the perfect example of ivory tower intellectual bullshit that doesnt actually interact with reality. And it's because it's thought through in someone's mind, and that someone will never have to deal with the reality of it as the person under scrutiny I have never said the words "Do you want to have sex?" in my life. I also havent said "Can I kiss you?" Or "Is it okay if I remove your bra?" In fact the few times I have overtly asked …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/21 02:52 PM
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I can think of a woman that would absolutely be the type to abuse this law. We reconnected 7 years after a brief summer fling, fooled around, then she started lovebombing me. I tried to be cool with it and encourage her to take it easy, she wouldn't, so I ripped the bandaid off and ended it rather than carrying on knowing it was a bad idea. She went. Absolutely. Nuclear Every accusation of acting in bad faith under the sun. Then i called her on the many lies i had noticed in the short couple of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/04/21 02:40 PM
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I've heard they ran some stories that kpwtowed and cuddled with the (relatively) moderate right, so this doesn't surprise me one bit
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 10:55 PM
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I had an ex that hit me once. Her take on it was "you're my boyfriend, and I can do that." I didnt deprogram just what a fucked up thing to say that was until years later
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 10:04 PM
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And r/canada I feel sad as hell saying it, but r/canada is known for having a lot of right wingers and until we can change the social discourse, theyre going to be the only people who listen (mostly out of spite to oWn TeH LiBz). Might funnel some donations to them
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 10:02 PM
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So it's our fault women are cowards? Oof
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 09:58 PM
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Is it imperative that we prove men are worse off or women are worse off? Why don't you ask his therapist this question, who intentionally steered away from her job to try to win an ideological argument (through sexist as fuck victim-blaming) about exactly this topic? Why are you dressing down the guy with the comically unprofessional therapist?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 09:54 PM
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Im convinced AMFE has a Batcomputer that warns him of any instances of sexism on the sub. He gets to it with lightning speed, every time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 09:50 PM
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If you report to the appropriate autborities that you want to change therapists because your current practitioner is espousing factually incorrect, bigoted beliefs to try to win ideological arguments with you instead of prioritizing your well-being, and to the detriment of your care, I guarantee they will give you another one. And you might be able to get some more hours if you emphasize that dealing with this person has worsened your situation
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 09:45 PM
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Get a new therapist right now and tell her why you're firing her. Then file an official complaint. I'm dead serious OP. This person is BAD news and places her (ignorant, tonedeaf, bigoted, factually incorrect) politics above her job, which is helping you. She immediately abandoned her duty of care because she cared more about winning an argument with victimblaming bigotry
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 09:37 PM
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LOL "harms women". What a fucking joke. "Politely stated opinions I don't like, ahhh it burns!" The fact that you were removing misogynist content while this delusional whackjob was posting is just magnificent.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 12:04 PM
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This is honestly just a phenomenal level of insight, and a very nuanced take. Kudos.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 01:28 AM
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Every Bumble icebreaker "hey"
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/04/21 01:25 AM
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Nothing makes my day like seeing actual misogyny or alt-right bullshit, which seems to get removed by amanfromearth within minutes every time - with or without reporting. Somebody should make a compilation of AMFE dressing down the trogs and use it whenever some shit-for-brains tries to cast us as sexists or x-posts us on Fragile (whatever) Redditor
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/04/21 10:20 PM
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You sound tinfoil hatted as hell. You talk about horrible singular instances like we're all flipping a coin every time we wake up on whether we get hit with a false accusation or paternity fraud - and that is just plain ridiculous
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/04/21 05:57 PM
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There's a lot of conflation of "women" and "feminists/feminism" in this thread - legit using them interchangeably - and i think we would all be wise to cut it out. Anyway, OP, I am sorry for your experiences but youre not alone in making these observations for what it's worth. Not bi so I cant relate, but the things you note are emblematic of the upper middle class white feminism that has taken over the spcial discourse, and which cannot sustain itself without hefty doses of cognitive dissonance…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/04/21 08:47 PM
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Im not complaining before the fact, Im complaining after the fact. The feminists on FU flat out refused to have an honest conversation, and now B.T. is trying to placate them by figuring out how much to censor us to satisfy them ... not seeing that total censorship is the only thing they actually want I don't consider myself an MRA at all, so my views see questions all the time. I was basicaly the reaident "hey come on now" guy for our more, uh, foamy residents before some recent welcome arrival…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/21 11:19 PM
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I think youre lionizing the MRAs a bit much. The posters on FU were clearly just not reading or skimming any posts over a certain length. They werent quaking in their boots, they just didnt give a shit and didnt want to hear it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/21 10:41 PM
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I respect the hell out of the mods of that sub Bitter Tradition, but honestly, the engagement I read was hot dogshit. Their responses to every men's issue post had nothing but typical eyerolling derision and hostility. Strawman arguments, if they even bothered to read the post, which most of them clearly did not. The level of critical thought i saw on display was childish, to be charitable. It exceeded by far my worst expectations. I think TrollX or or FDS might have managed more coherent discus…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/04/21 09:36 PM
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1 in 4 is an intentionally inflated statistic from a self-selecting survey at one university that didnt distinguish between unwanted touching and rape. Go ahead and show me your receipt and I will change my view. And before you say it, Im quite aware that the number of female victims of violent crime has gone up somewhat significantly in Coronaworld. Which is .. gasp .. because they are spending more time with their families and intimate partners in a largely locked down world. It is tragic but …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 08:05 PM
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You should deny this particular fear, to be very fucking blunt. It's not supported by crime statistics and it NEVER has been. You'd have to search for specific and especially degemerate neighborhoods in impoverished India to find a place where these views hold even a few drops of water. FACT: Most victims of ANY violent crime know their victimizer. The bogeyman in the car park, for the average woman, does not exist FACT: The staggeringly vast majority of rapes specificaly are perpetrated by some…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 07:26 PM
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Leftwing society has wholly and uncritically embraced feminism (specifically a cacophonous blend of liberal, radical, and oh so very white feminism but thats another conversation). In doing so it has told the rest of us leftie men that only troggo alt-right whackjobs and tradcons dont agree that it is the one true virtuous paradigm This leaves us standing at the edge of an intellectual chasm, at the foot of which is a painful death from a bunch of pointy rocks. We are told to walk across the bri…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 07:08 PM
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You're asking us to tell you what makes men's issues problematic to talk about or address in a way where the behaviorally suppressing control perspective of the feminist issues you listed doesnt? Wrong sub, chief. We can't. We know that we can't. The inability to think our way across this philosophical bridge, despite Polite Society telling us we must, is one of the reasons most of us are here
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 06:41 PM
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In my personal opinion feminist are marxists who have substituted class for gender because they don't want to confront rich women Oh DAMN that's juicy. White feminism in a nutshell
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 12:56 PM
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That's every single post the guy makes. He claims to give a shit about men's issies, yet literally EVERY post he makes is some kind of tone policing that reminds me more than a bit of MensLib
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates07/04/21 12:52 PM
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Can you stop being a hostile cunt for no reason? I answered the fucking question from the OP, and even clarified that I was specifically referring to the gender role which i refer to as as distinct from the reality average people get to experience, yet you carried right on like I didnt say that. Clearly you've decided to ignore what Im writing and continue with your browbeating proselytizing, so how about you fuck off yeah?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/21 11:39 AM
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OP asked about jealousy of the gender role. Not the gender reality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/21 12:29 AM
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Well, i took some time and checked out the sub's engagement with Forgetaboutthelonely and to be honest, Im dismayed. It was worse than I expected. Almost no one is engaging reasonably or with intellectual honesty, basically every thread is flooded with astonishingly low effort meme-tier dismissive circle jerking. You were the only person actually engaging the topics, and one of preciously few even applying thought to their responses. Frankly Id be surprised if more than one or two people are eve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 09:49 PM
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The funny thing is that unlike being a man, being a feminist is not an immutable characteristic. Ypu chopse to take on that identity, and in my opinion, that means you choose to take on the baggage as well. If not for literally every other person who claims the identity, certainly the ones in the public sphere with both power and voice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:56 PM
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I'm sorry to hear about your negative experiencea, particularly the violence. If it makes you feel better, I truly think times are changing. I was the best man at a gay wedding and a friend recently confided a story about having to end a friendship with a gay man because it turned out he had been trying to seduce him the whole time and made a move. That sounds like a negative result, but from what I understand he was polite about rejecting the man despite how obvious the result of his actions wo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:51 PM
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Actually, yes - and it's not because of your dysphoria. I have always felt very strongly male and secure in that identity, but i feel it too I work long hours and am paid well below what I deserve at a company where i have no benefits and am not earning a pension. Im stuck here and growing angrier and more bitter every week. This Easter long weekend I have felt in the zone. Slowly chipping away at chores, taking breaks for YouTube or video games or shows when i feel like it, back to chores, gett…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/04/21 08:35 PM
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I think it's going more than a bit too far to imply that the old religions had much significant self-reflection. We're talking about faiths that, as just one of many examples, have "dont murder people" as THE core tenet after "respect God" ... and yet launched The Crusades, a mission of actual genocide intended to wipe an entire people and culture off the face of the earth
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/04/21 07:10 PM
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It never left. It's basically the heavily strained thread that allows liberal feminists and psychotic radical feminists to coexist and tethers them in solidarity
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 09:23 PM
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For what it's worth i truly respect what youre trying to do regardless of my cynicism. You're doing something that is both truly novel and long overdue. And just... productive. Maybe Ill give it a lurk before writing it off, I do have one thought about a common rebuttal to a men's issue I find intellectually inconsistent with some specific feminist conclusions (conclusions I agree with!) It's hard for me not to feel validated in my cynicism though when you literally already have someone arguing …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 02:59 AM
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I don’t agree with all the complaints about feminism turning a blind eye to men’s issues Then what do you have to say to the mainstream current in feminism, which makes it very clear that feminism = academia and activism that pushes for gender equality, that the MRM is dangerous, and that actively deplatforms men from organizing or receiving funding? You cant monopolize both the social conversation and the resources, then say "yeah but you can form your own space" and still argue that youre acti…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 02:37 AM
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So... are they looking to debate and argue, or are they genuinely interested in other perspectives and voices? What makes this one different from all the other spaces, even if censorship is off the table? If they are just inviting us over there to try to win an argument, I wont be wasting my time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 02:29 AM
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I think it's a bad look when you try to justify bigotry because of anecdotal experiences involving 1 or 2 of a group that contains billions of people, and it says a lot about you if your first instinct upon seeing any form of that bullshit is to defend it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/04/21 02:26 AM
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That statement alone doesnt disprove anything. When feminists say that, they are implying that a small minority of men suffer in the existing system while most do well. Which is, of course, wrong. The majority of men don't experience these so called patriarchal benefits, and a large nber of them overtly suffer. Especially the impoverished and/or racialized
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 03:12 PM
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I think you told the wrong story here, but thats hilarious
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 02:53 PM
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Im a very big white guy that grew up blue collar and spent my 20s poor. It was a shit life and I got help from no one, including government assistance for which i applied and to which i was technically entitled (yet somehow denied). Ive dealt with police bullying and a lot of ither ussues typically seen as racialized That's not to say this new wave of bullshit won't primarily affect POC men. It very much will. But poor white men will be affected as well, and are a victim class proactively and of…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 02:51 PM
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This is one thing that truly is a spectrum
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/04/21 01:13 AM
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With all due respect (and I say that in earnest), that's not how things work. The courts decide the legal guilt or innocence of someone accused of a crime and the ensuing consequences. They dont decide whether the crime actually happened, nor do they decide whether the accused is the perpetrator. These are established facts already that may or may not be easy to determine dependong on whether there are troves of publicly available hard evidence. You are playing the role of a neutral party, yet y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/21 12:06 PM
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Holy sweet fuck, buddy. Not even touching that willful blindness You sure you're on the right sub? I think you missed your exit to one of the many right ones
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/21 12:46 AM
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Would be a hell of a step forward from a neighborhood watch chode shooting a child for the crime of "walking home" and somehow being acquitted
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/21 12:35 AM
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Hell exists. It's called being a non-rich white man in a federal penitentiary who used to be a cop Bet - he is going to hell
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/21 12:32 AM
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Excuse me? I watched all the available film. That was ABSOLUTELY murder. It is so very clearly intentional Unless youre just saying you think murder is unlikely to be convicted, regardless of the motive and intent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/04/21 12:30 AM
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By yourr own admission you live an insular life where, presumably, external influences have very little effect upon your life. Consider that this experience ma6 not be shared by people who have signifivant aspects of their fate decided by The System - be they poor, racialized, unemployed, in the process of divorce etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/03/21 08:50 PM
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The change in our attention spans at the cultural level combined with the death of longform journalism and its replacement with clickbait bullshit. Also, extreme ideas that were once merely "theories" have become the absolute truth of all things. People are even less critical of thinkers than ever which is saying something because it's not like westerners were great minds in general at any point in wesrern history Couple that with the corporate bourgeois embracement of petty infighting amongat t…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 11:16 PM
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We allowed our female counter parts to do things for bliss, we further joined them and shat on other men. Speak for yourself, mate. I never had a phony male feminist phase nor have i ever been a monkey on a chain for any social cause i didnt truly believe
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 10:28 PM
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Lol feminism is not the KKK. Jesus Christ.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 10:21 PM
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Being traditionally masculine and a leftie was never a remotely dissonant nor difficult pair of qualities to sustain until the last few years or so.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 10:18 PM
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Oof, I think Im having my first true old man moment because i genuinely dont know what bars means in this context lol
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 07:58 PM
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Yes, I did see that. But that's not how you responded to the OP, which is about the demands for curfews, dress codes, etc. In fact you didnt mention them at all, but you were wound up enough to want to justify the logic. Im asking you to examine why that was your gut reaction, of all the things you could have said or done you went with a whataboutism that essentially changed the subject and softly defended the logic. I feel like you're just going to respond with some form of "no I didn't", but i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 07:02 PM
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Your original question was not reasonable, so please dispense with your haughtiness. You came into a thread about how the reaction to Sarah Everard's one of a kind death has been to try to enforce borderline fascist dogmatic rules upon all men employing the exact same logic as racists and white supremacists. Your immediate response was to try to play devil's advocate with a whataboutism. You say you arent defending that insidious logic, yet that is precisely what you did in your first post. I me…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 06:53 PM
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Pretty sure the last stats I saw indicated that vastly more white men are killed by cops than black women but go off Ever consider that your charmed life is not the experience of anyone who looks like you? Speaking as someone that had a cop threaten to shoot me in the face and was paraded around in handcuffs on multiple occasions despite being compliant and not having committed any arrestable offences - or in some cases, any offences at all.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 06:33 PM
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No. What the fuck
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/03/21 08:44 AM
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Have you considered the possibility that your perceptions are skewed by the fact that you swim in the alt-lifestyle pool? Not exactly comparable to a straight guy in the traditional lifestyle trying to make a go of it from his standard social options
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/21 12:11 AM
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I love the positivity and kindness of your post, but You will find someone who will love you for who you are if you learn to do that for yourself first. I think it's a bit naive to say this. Yes, for every non-deformed man there are women for whom he ticks some or even all boxes, but talking about this like inevitability is just... not accurate. The dating game has changed dramatically in the last few decades and many completely ordinary, average men are getting left behind simply because they w…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/03/21 12:08 AM
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Standing up for men's right is also shedding the norm that men have to win over female affection. That's a nice thought, and also one that will never, ever, ever translate to reality
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/03/21 11:50 PM
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Say a thing Get called out Say you werent saying that thing, you were actually saying another adjacent thing (and also the person who called it out clearly has a guilty conscience for speaking up about something you totally werent saying) That's the playbook
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/03/21 04:32 PM
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Don't ever let people get you in your head like you have to justify your humanity. Not anyone, and especially not racist cunts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/21 03:38 PM
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...get a new girlfriend?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/03/21 03:37 PM
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I don't want to create a mirror image of women are wonderful that says men are wonderful. That will never, and frankly, could never happen. Ever
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/21 11:34 PM
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The reality is that wokeness is mainly by and for white women Holy fuck does this one ever ring the bell. I'm reminded of that glib HuffPo selfie of their senior editorial staff, which was all women, and which they posted publicly as a boast. The "literally all women, zero men" part aside - not because it doesn't matter but because I know they considered it an absolute win - were also all white women other than one 9r two tokens buried at the farthest end of the table from the camera. The multip…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/03/21 11:29 PM
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Correct. But at least he's willing to talk about it, and the fact that only he will shows you how successfully ghettoized this conversation is in modern discpurse
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/21 12:17 AM
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Nah man I bet there's no correlation between the "justice"/"""""correctional""""" systems and male suicide. In fact Im so sure of it we should just not review any relevant data and accept my premise as true to save us all the time
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/21 12:16 AM
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Usually I'm not a fan of "I can mind read" arguments, but it's pretty clear what gears are turning hetween that woman's ears. I'd go a step further and say that she is a perfect example of an unqualified candidate being selected based on their racial/sexual demographic and ideology instead of knowledge or ability to do a good job. Imagine making this argument unironically when your job is to fucking address inequality and discrimination. Imagine a complete lack of push back for doing so as well!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/21 12:12 AM
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Ah yes, the modern western penal system. Truly a shining fucking beacon of how to improve both the behavior and life circumstances of people, especially men, for whom it is designed and therefore doing a terrific job Daft cunt.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/03/21 12:04 AM
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I'd say the KKK were proponents of genocide. They were just really, really bad at it. They succeeded in destroying Black Wall Street and gripping multiple generations of high-performing black citizens in the vice of fear though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 06:01 PM
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The Sun reports facts, righty tighty though its story selection may be. It's the op eds you want to stay away from, but it's a fine newspaper to have as part of (but not all of) your intake
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 05:57 PM
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I think a stronger point is that extreme examples need to be made for extreme results, and unfortunately, the system as it currently exists for DV support is an extreme in need of equally extreme changes If discriminatory shelters are afraid ... good. They should be. That poster 2 months ago shpwed hw bad tbe situation was when he called sheltera for help on camera and they were telling him to travel to the other side of his goddamn country, a luxury not afforded by probably 99% of people escapi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 05:56 PM
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Got a receipt for that claim? For that matter, got a receipt that demonstrates that it even matters i.e. operating budget vs frontline expenditure? Any left-wing shelter that isnt a homeless shelter is almost definitely going to be women-focused, if not women only outright
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 05:53 PM
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Thanks for the history lesson full of facts I was already aware of and which has absolutely nothing to do with comparing women's shelters to the KKK You are exhibiting the exact same willful limitation of logic employed by radical feminists to stretch their premises to their most outlandish extremes. But by all means, continue comparing domestic violence shelters to a group that murdered scores of people because of the color of their skin
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 12:53 PM
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No, it really does not make one think. Trying to justify "women's shelters = kkk" is the exact OPPOSITE of thinking
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 12:07 PM
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Well I mean if you think about it, Nope. Nah. No. You're wrong. There is no comparison I don't stand for ridiculous overreaching emotional feminist arguments and i wont stand for this bullshit either. This is ridiculous
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 12:04 PM
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Jesus fucking Christ The KKK straight murdered people for being black. A lot of them. The KKK were domestic terrorists This is delusional arguing on your part, and the exact kind of ridiculous argument that people use to justify not taking arguments abput men's rights seriously. Youre contributing to the problem with your hysterical overreaching
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 11:20 AM
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This is progress, but comparing women's shelters to the fucking KKK is the looniest thing I have ever seen and I am not about it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/03/21 10:12 AM
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The problem is that your average feminist does not agree that all the shitty feminists listed are assholes. Some are celebrated, and most at minimum have weasel wording excuses made on their behalf Good communication on your part nonetheless
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/02/21 03:11 PM
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Lol never saw that quote but i did know he was a misogynist. I was more wondering about the specific claim that he is a fraudster
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 05:35 PM
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I think you CAN be a feminist and not necessarily believe society treats women worse overall. The baseline for entry is just knowing their historical lack of rights and believing they continue to have issues today. You dont HAVE to believe that women have it worse to believe they have valid problems I say just fix the problems and dont worry about who has it worse Man I am here for this sentiment, lemme tell you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 04:55 PM
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Tell me what you know about Paul Elam. Ive seen him both pedestalized and demonized but never the receipts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 04:50 PM
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Camilla Paglia is a good one. She has a truly unoque perspective Also, some feminists who took their equality views all the way to their logical endpoint (aka acknowledging men's issues and disadvantages) and were excommunicated: Cassie Jaye, Warren Farrell. Both left the movement/ditched the label because of the toxic response to their decision to talk about the other side of the coin, but I am sure they'd have been quite happy to stay known as feminists were it not for the bullying they endure…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 04:47 PM
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Squaares and rectangles
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/02/21 04:38 PM
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That's a disturbingly plausible idea, tbh. Epstein felt like a case of actually scratching at the veil over reality. Far less mega-publicized, and silenced VERY quickly What i take issue is how these ideas suggest a formal organization. I dont buy it, i think it's an informal thing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/02/21 01:15 AM
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Cheers TRP is dangerous because it works. And a lot of people who havemt had previous succeas of a non-TRP form to compare it to will begin to internalize it as a greater truth to the universe, never asking questions of context or thinking maybe the bit about not taking shit tests on the chin (aka standing up for yourself) holding true doesnt validate the bit about how women need to be treated like children (a sentiment i read almost verbatim dozens of times) The other problem is that TRP is for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/21 03:52 PM
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Can't believe Watchmen is pushing up on 40 years old and the snobbery around comics persists
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/21 11:29 AM
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This is probably the best breakdown of TRP Ive seen My issue with TRP, which you only really brushed at, is the how-to head games aspect. It starts with left field perspectives you would never hear elsewhere that make you realize ways in which you were a soft target for disrespectful partners in the past and encpurage you to grow a backbone - that's good! But then the deeper you go the more it starts to read like "mindfuck and eventually emotionally abuse your partner for a fleeting reup on phys…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/21 11:17 AM
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I definitely think the Woke Shield is knowingly employed by the elite, but how does Trump's plutocratic administration fit into this? He is clearly an elite albeit a now-exiled one, and the numbers are pouring out about how comically well the rich elite did thanks to his work, and would have robbed the common person absolutely blind in term #2. Was Trump just a rogue?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/21 12:32 AM
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Ive been wondering about this for a LONG time. The working class seems systematically divided and by big thrusts of identity politics that all started after Occupy Wall Street - the one time people were uniting as a class against the elite. The wrench in that theory is the successful punishment of people like Haevey Weinstein
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/02/21 12:20 AM
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The Red Pill.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 01:32 AM
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FDS is just TRP for women, with a side dish of TrollX and a dash of hysterical performative victimhood Just stay outta that shithole
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 01:30 AM
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Okay, but we're not talking about benevolant sexism in this thread. We're talking about regular sexism - against men. Contrasted against BS (hah, never noticed that before), but the point stands
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 01:28 AM
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There's literally nothing benevolent about this type of sexism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/02/21 12:17 AM
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Whole lot of gender generalization wuth no actual basis going on in this thread I would caution against extrapolating the fact that you had one shitty exgirlfriend to 50% of the human population
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/21 12:57 PM
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That's an interesting point. Sure enough, while we've become professionals of various sorts now, my friends and I were all working class from our late youth right through to our 30s and I am sure that has a part in why that continues to be a sincerely enjoyed mode of socialization for us Shitting on traditional masculinity as a valid way to be for men is, paradoxically, both incredibly popular on the left and yet a derision that primarily affects the poor ...
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/21 12:42 AM
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For me, I try to see it as an option. I know I don't want to be super masculine but I understand that others feel an identity in it, and they deserve just as much as I do to be who they want to be. This is such a great way to put it I defend "less masculine" men to the point that i find characterizing them as less masculine to be fundamentally ridiculous. If a gay man who works in theatre is also a great leader or mentor at work and someone who volunteers in his leisure time, that's masculine in…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/21 09:51 PM
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Sounds like you have an axe to grind with the fact that women do not prefer less masculine men on average. I feel like i gotta say this once a week... your personal experience is valid, but it is not the be all end all of discourse on a subject. You are not speaking in good faith if youre going to say masculinity is not regularly portrayed as negative. Dating preferences of women are only one of an innumerable quantity of topics where masculinity is discussed
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/02/21 09:41 PM
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Getting moderate feminists to practice what they preach and start deplatforming shitty feminists would have far more effect than being an MRA
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/21 02:33 AM
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Fucking imagine trying to start shit with BERNIE of all people. This is basically just saying "I hate white men, and I have no other thoughts or opinions... about anything."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/02/21 02:31 AM
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I appreciate your willingness to reflect. As you can imagine, most feminists I talk to are not willing to examine or even acknowledge the hypocrisy laid out in OP. On the contrary, we are now seeing a new trope spread around about "women's emotional labor" which effectively reinforces the status quo through progressive language. So ... I hope you will take this moment of enlightenment into feminist conversations with you, and speak of it. No feminists will change their minds because of what I th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/01/21 04:08 PM
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3rd [men's problems matter less cuz male privilege] is true You're a garbage human. 5th [men literally only have problems cuz toxic masculinity] is mostly true Correction. You're a delusional garbage human. Please explain how Im supposed to take you seriously when you try to say feminism is for everyone when you hold these reprehensible, disgusting positions and your feminist ideological lockstep is obviously why Go proselytize at homeless suicidal drug addicts about how their priblems matter le…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/01/21 11:36 PM
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What did she disagree with you about?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/21 02:42 PM
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I'm sorry, but the idea that mainstream feminist organizations are concealing or outright lying about the issues that men face accidentally is a position I expect you to back up, because from where I'm standing it is not a logical one, and instead sounds like something you want or need to believe because the alternative is horrible to accept.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/01/21 02:39 PM
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Proving that aggressive men get mor epartners does not prove that women are atteacted to aggression Aggressive men are likely more proactive and more likely to pursue women to sleep with, and less bothered about rejection. I know that was he case for me some years ago when i was single and Tarzan swinging around to different women. Everytime i saw a pretty girl that wasnt in the middle of something, and i thought of an icebreaker, I went for it. I'd hit up a few per day. My most was 10 in in one…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/01/21 12:54 PM
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If you cant come up with your own argument against the wage gap with all the information out there, I dare to suggest you yave done what most feminists did with the wage gap...heard a sociopolitical opinion from elsewhere and internalized it as fact without acrually looking into it
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/21 12:40 PM
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Shit like this is why i roll my eyes and tune out when people try to defend the etymology of the concept. It is quite deliberate in its slipperiness and any discussion of it without men around is going to be mask off fuck-ugly
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/21 10:29 AM
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I think putting your opinions on gender politics in a dating profile is a recipe for disaster and you shouldn't do it ever. As either gender. I have no inherent issue with feminism - dating a true scotsman feminist right now - but if you think one of the most important thinga for me to know about you is that you're a feminist, I'm calling that a red flag. I want to know if we can go to live music or get drinks or talk abojt the Mandalorian, if being a feminist is one of the top 5 things about yo…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/21 08:37 PM
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I think false accusations needed to be treated like what they are - a monstrous and criminal act that begets NO sympathy, but plenty of punishment, for the disgusting perpetrator. And i do think boys should be educated about them and how to preempt or avoid situations that make them vulnerable to it. With that said, I think the rhetoric about how men need to live in constant fear of a false accusation needs to go away, because... no they don't. Both the incidence and prevalence are so small that…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/21 08:41 PM
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I think your judgment is clouded by personal experience, anger, and sexual frustration and you are taking these negative feelings and trying to generalize them out into the world. This tirade sounds almost identical to feminists bashing on about men being pigs because they know a few pigs This sub should combat sweeping generalizations about an entire sex based on a few anecdotes and anger - not coddle them.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/21 05:24 PM
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If that's your objective, youre going to fail miserably to get anywhere with this thought experiment, which is just going to cause them to label you a rightwing MRA. Yes, men should be able to make their own decisions about being a parent rather than having free will ripped out of their hands, and yes, the common arguments made by women/feminists about why they should pay sound exactly like tradcon assgoblins arguing against abortion. Doesn't mean OP takes us anywhere meaningful. It's too abstra…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates15/01/21 09:51 PM
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That's tragic. The UK has a classy reputation but the election of Boris and all that is revealing some things these days. I guess classist values around education are to be expected from the heartland of feudalism, aristocracy, and intergenerational super-wealth
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 03:37 PM
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Yep. The devaluation of education and educators is largely an American thing. And it's really a classist thing when it comes down to it. Why pay an inner city teacher a proper salary when they are just wasting taxpayer money on the poor and they'll probablyall end up in gangs min. wage jobs anyway? People who have money have always had access to good education, poor people get trickle down education (and the subsequent trickle down opportunity).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 03:32 PM
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It's fucking amazing talking on here about all the reflexive tropes people use to invalidate inequality that harms men, and months later, see a pitchfork mob brigade the sub desperate to tear down its positions and these same limp tropes are all the have to say. Just incredible to watch. We need a bingo card for these situations.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 03:20 PM
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I wish she would reply. You could have an interesting dialogue, she seems relatively open minded. Sadly i doubt she will even read your post.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 03:18 PM
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I dont claim to be an expert on a field in which I have no involvement, but in Canada for example, teachers have strong unions, tenure, and phenomenal pension plans.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 03:17 PM
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Regardless of the theory of feminism in the abstract, feminists (the people doing the advocacy) suppress discussion, acknowledgement, or meaningful action in any area where women are advantaged. This is a fact, and one which shows up everywhere from criminal law to family court to health to education. And yes, Im sure there are feminists who might read this and say they are against any inequities including those which disadvantage men and advantage women - and good on them - but they are not the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 03:15 PM
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Teachers get good pay and terrific benefits/pension in many non-US countries yet the disparity is just as bad
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 02:34 PM
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Frankly, given that these are raw stats, it reeks of insecurity that they would post this there of all places. Can't come close to refuting the substance of it, so resort to mockery instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/01/21 02:27 PM
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Your limp, strawman-laden attempt at a gotcha post to ignore the points being made is duly noted.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/21 10:43 AM
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You can call it a tantrum all you want but that doesn't change the fact that you are the one who is not responding rationally here. You want to punch a wall until you break your hands because you're so upset at women not being interested in you the state of the dating sphere. You really do not get to pedestalize yourself for superior rationality here. So are you okay with rape, treating women like sex objects with lesser rights, etc.? No he isn't. These are self evidently terrible things Because…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/21 10:14 AM
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He says he feels so very terrible for women that are played by "assholes", but frankly, it sounds like he's just upset that the game as it exists does not appraise him as a man most women are interested in. That whole bit about wanting to pumch a wall until he breaks his knuckles... telling He also does a pretty nebulous job of defining these supposed assholes and their great transgressions. I think Harvey Weinstein by all accounts is an asshole to women, and was a man of tremendously high statu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/01/21 09:49 AM
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Peterson can be a bit of a tradcon at times, but he also makes a lot of lucid, emphatic arguments with a lot of justification behind them. I don't understand how he became Jordan "Literally Hitler But to Girls" Peterson and watching people i usually respect circlejerk about what an evil satan he is has been embarrasaing
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/01/21 09:08 PM
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Thanks so much for your actually nuanced take Stick around
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/21 07:27 AM
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People mutilate girl's clitorises for "religious reasons", yet we (rightly and justly) dont allow them that freedom
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates02/01/21 12:59 AM
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They decided to have a subreddit dedicated to male issues without demonizing feminism. Man, what. They decided to have a subreddit dedicated to male issues without criticizing feminism. That is very, very different. And actually, if you click the link in the OP, you will see that the top comment describes ML as primarily about "men taking responsibility for patriarchy" with only a vague airbrushing about men's issues existing at the end. MensLib is more about advocating for feminism than it is a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/20 04:41 PM
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Mhmm And what actual activism do you do? Complaining about feminism doesn't count.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/12/20 04:17 PM
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I like that this includes a few for inclusion of women as well! Makes it more genuine, and mankind & fireman are words I still hear very often
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/12/20 09:28 PM
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OP's point is rhat whinging about feminism is detrimental, regardless if what intersections it may or may not have with an issue. If the MRM managed to outlaw circumcision and change the public opinion about it, it would become tied closer to that than anti-feminism. And then again if they managed to get at least 1 men's shelter opened in metropolitan cities. And so on. The more ACTUAL ACTIVISM the MRM achieves, the more difficult it becomes to delegitimize. You could even see a world where femi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/20 10:32 PM
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Couldn't agree more. Ive never seen a single discussion of a male issue run course its course without feminism being dragged into it, not once. The Outrage-Industrial Complex hasn't helped with hundreds if YouTubers making a living off of positioning themselves as anti-feminists who then get shared in MRA circles The reality is that: Bitching is not activism - not even for trendy opinions & causespeople actually want to hear about i.e. BLM Many men's issues have nothing to do with feminism at al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/20 10:29 PM
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Saying the majority of women are Staceys frankly proves how out of touch you are. And given your usetname, Im not going to be taking your opinions about the majority of women, or dating, seriously when you admit to having no experiemce. All you know is your skewed, biased, angry internet prism through which you see the world and you think you can reverse engineer that into factual statements about the real world. You can't. The sexist generalizations you traffic in are not what this sub is about…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/20 05:43 PM
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Since Stacys are a majority No. Stop.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/12/20 04:47 PM
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She's great, love of my life without a doubt Funny you mention your latinx/native gf being capable of a nuanced conversation. The only girl i had more nuanced and interesting conversations about social issues with was my ex, a black girl. She opened my mind to all kinds of shit i had either never taken seriously (i.e. black racism against whites, and really vicious stuff at that despute the lack of systemic power) or never even heard of (black on black racism???) The idea of letting some yuppie …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates26/12/20 01:09 AM
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she’s going into education If you end up breaking up with her, i would consider following her career and getring in touch with some parents of students. Especially male students. It is a guarantee that she will be a perfect example of the gendered grading bias, but furthermore, i would imagine she will be teaching her views as fact which is not allowed. Look into R. v. Keegstra, a Supreme Court of Canada case that basically blazed the trail on this kind of nonsense. Jim Keegstra was a Holocaust …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 07:02 PM
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I’m not sure if she even knows just how much her mentality towards the issue hurts me She absolutely does. This is just making rolm for excuses on yojr part. To extemists like this your hurt matters less - actually, it doesnt matter at all, or is fraudulent
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 05:24 PM
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When I get into a discussion with a feminist we tend to get about two questions deep into a topic, they get uncomfortable with having feminist theory applied to them, and they throw it all out the window and start acting like a 1950's conservative. I'd be curious to see some specifics/elaborations
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 04:23 PM
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I live in a hyper liberal metropolitan city. I found a leftie (even feminist) woman to date. She doesnt interrupt me when we have conversations about social issues, and actually listens to and considers my point. Sometimes she even admits to a change of perspective or that she hadnt considered something before. It's almost like you can date left wing women without settling for a browbeating, emotionally abusive gaslighting cunt
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 03:50 PM
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Farrell is lumped in with people like Paul Elam. That's wrong as hell given Farrell's leftie credibility, second wave feminist status, and legitimate education, but ask your average internet feminist about him and I guarantee they already know of him and hate his guts.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 03:36 PM
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OP's gf will google her and look for dirt before ever watching her film. She will then find Jezebel, BuzzFeed, Everyday Feminism etc smear articles and feel vindicated. Not that she even needs to go to extremist pop feminist sources when mainstream feminism led the charge in trying to destroy Jaye's reputation. This is above and beyond the fact that she would see a film called "The Red Pill" and immediately assume her boyfriend has been a secret alt-right misogynist all along
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 03:34 PM
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CHS's full-time job is shitting on feminism and working for a big-C conservative think tank. Her arguments aren't disagreeable to me but let's not pretend she is employed by that organization is to do good faith gender research that would totally publish evidence of sexism against women. Her arguments are also cursory and abbreviated, they aren't compelling to someone that wasnt previously open to their conclusions (or, more likely, already holding those positions). Frankly, nothing going on wit…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/12/20 03:29 PM
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Im not saying you have to leave her, but you are in an abusive relationship and it is well past time for you to begin standing up for yourself.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/20 10:44 PM
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“if anybody is a nazi it would have to be you. You’re an aryan male with male activist tendencies”. I would have been out the door on the spot. "You just called me a Nazi? Fuck you, you psychotic bigot." And out the door. And she would have immediately blown up my phone calling me fragile, weak l, etc, and over time it would turn into me misunderstanding her, and a few days later it would become some vague approximation of an apology, and I still wouldnt answer. Why do you put up with this? And …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/20 10:41 PM
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Toxicity aside I do love her For fuck's sakes Read that fucking line out of context and ask yourself what you would tell a stranger who says such things. In fact, mentally replace yourself with a woman in this situation and imagine her saying things like this. You've been whipped to hell and gaslit, and you spend your days things arent so bad when she isnt berating you daily and you carefully avoid every difficult subject and make sure not to challenge or disagree with her This is pitiful to obs…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/20 10:33 PM
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Youre not in a relationship. If youre not exaggerating, you're in an abusive relationship
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/20 10:25 PM
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I'd like more information about this one
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/12/20 10:21 PM
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Oh great. It's the marriage & divorce version of being stuck with paternity fraud ransom for life because you were on the birth certificate.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/12/20 09:25 PM
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Gender Studies is a valid discipline in theory. The issue is that it was forged largely on the back of radical second-wavers like Andrea Dworkin or Cathy MacKinnon, people that if their genders and gender views were flipped, would rightly have been booted out of academia and smeared as tyrannical sexist lunatics even back then. The roots of radfem and GS are deeply intertwined, and this emtanflement is why mofern feminist academia seems so joyfully incomplete, and often clueless
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 06:17 PM
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Heard is the perfect example of a bulletproof perpetrator. Not only is she a woman that identifies as feminist in 2020, but she is white, rich, and stunningly beautiful (internal hideousness aside). She's basicaly justice-proof and exposes both an ugliness within society and an uglier unwillingness to acknowledge or deal with it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/12/20 06:14 PM
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Did you get TRT prescribed by a doctor, or was it elective choice? It's interesting that it is helping with some problems (moobs, small genitals) it is typically known to exacerbate or create. Could be a sign of previous low T? Glad you've found some solutions and are working on it. Keep it up
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/12/20 09:51 PM
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Cosign!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/20 09:31 PM
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I like how it's men's fault that women hold standards for themselves that men dont even want. Not even sexist men
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/20 09:30 PM
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I only date healthy weight women. Overweightness is a major physical turnoff for me, as well as a sign of sn incompatible lifestyle. But there is a bigggg diversity of bodies within the framework of "healthy weight" and none of them look like the "anorexic '''ideal''' ".
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/12/20 09:26 PM
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Wait, you didn't make good money as a lawyer? How?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/12/20 11:45 AM
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Lose weight (edit: just saw your post that you're underweight or at least very low bf%? Aight so you are skinnyfat. I hate being cliché but ........ start lifting brah. Gaining lean mass is how you fill out the loose and sagging skin left behind by weight loss) Start jelking That's 2 of 4 solved And a broken home doesn't matter . NiceGuys(tm) bitch all the time about how women often seem to like delinquent if not outright felonious jerks, and this group is statistically most likely to be raised …
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/12/20 11:41 AM
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I'm trying to expand your ideas a bit: Are you saying men should be able to pursue friendships as a path to a sexual/romantic partner? If yes, what if the girl states early on (explicitly) that she wants to be friends? This is a two sides of the same coin issue imo. My SO has a male friend that shot his shot with her once. Problem: we had already been together for years - and he wasn't single either. However even if they had both been single, she wouldn't have been interested in him at all. Is s…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/12/20 08:35 PM
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Eh, it's muddy. Even many of the self-identified Marxist feminists I've seen sound quite classist when talking about the follies and/or suffering of non-POC men. These two trains of thought coexisting is downright oxymoronic, but I see it all the damn time.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/20 09:35 PM
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But in that case you're anti-ideological hegemony, which can take many forms and has more to do with the mechanisms that ideology takes hold of than the ideology itself. I'm not an anti-Marxist but I don't want unchecked, literal Marxism dictating the society I live in either. That is my take on feminism, which I consider not evil but woefully incomplete - and now deeply entangled with the capitalist machinery of self-interest.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/12/20 04:51 PM
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Nuance. Love it Yeah, please stick around
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 09:45 PM
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I feel the need to distinguish myself becsuse literally every single MRA I have ever seen in the wild is the kind of person to use words like cuck, libtard, dindu, feminazi etc unironically I feel the need to distinguish myself because there is a deeply shared venn diagram between self-identified MRAs and right wing or "centrist" values which are fundamentally incompatible with my own.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/12/20 09:42 PM
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Wow what the fuck. The blue checkmark running Time's twitter feed must be from Evergreen
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/12/20 10:08 PM
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...right. I'm not arguing that point. I am saying that implying the mainstream of feminism will push back against activism on this subject is false. They probably wont help, which sucks but they wont prevent it either which is what matters for getting results. With that said there is a not insignificant chance thst if this got some stram, they could reframe it as related to "toxic masculinity" and end up falling backwards into helping out
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 08:09 PM
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Yes, in cases where they have to give something up like family court, domestic violence, etc. That's not the case here. This is literally just "stop beating kids with canes". They're not going to help fight the cause becsuse it doesnt affect girls, which is sad, but they arent going to silence it either.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 08:00 PM
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They explicitly say that it can only be done to boys as their actual defence. If the U.N. doesnt respind jt will be bad for their brand, which is what its bureaucracy really cares about. This is definitely something that can be pressured in the media. Even non-radical feminists wouldn't try to stop a movement against this
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 04:22 PM
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Holy fuck. This is reprehensible. Has the U.N. responded to their '''defence'''?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/12/20 03:54 PM
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I called it orders of magnitude worse than soccer game or driving bans, called it deplorable, compared it to eugenics etc but apparently Im arguing in favor of it somehow Un-fucking-believable Like are we here to bitch and moan and commiserate - and accomplish absolutely nothing - or actually discuss the hows and whys behind both issues and discourse?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 04:04 PM
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I didnt say it's fucking reasonable, and i most definitely did not push it, AT ALL. I appreciate that you actually responded in addition to downvoting, instead of just downvoting, but dont bother if you cant discuss things without putting words in my fucking mouth and then browbeating me for things I didnt say I explicitly said the draft is a worse act of sexism by orders of magnitude. Do you not understand what that means, or did you intentionally ignore that sentence so you could go on a self-…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 03:55 PM
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Do these sites have modern day uni textbooks and updated editions? Asking for ... a friend....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 12:13 PM
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Don't forget Buttigieg buying his way into the race when an actual leftie came dangerously close to taking to lead. And all his claims of partnerships with local black business owners who had never met him or like, sold him a cake once Gotta love modern day voting. Do you want the right wing party, or the REALLY right wing party? Bonus options if you can accept your vote not mattering: you can vote for the actual left wing party no one else will vote for that wont acknowledge your issues, or at …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 12:05 PM
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Lots to unpack here That's actually fucked about Iran, what an insanely pointless and sexist law. I mean in comparison to the draft it is nothing, but it's just so comically pointless The draft is very obviously wrong in general. It might be an ugly necessity in some unfortunate future I hope never happens, and if it does happen, it must OBVIOUSLY be gender neutral. With that said, let's consider some context. The draft was deplorable. The gendered nature of it made a twisted kind of sense. Men …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates08/12/20 11:52 AM
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I think it's eugenics, I think it's wrong, and I don't feel like supporting these kind of practices on the premise of "freedom". Why do you have a mania about dating trans women? I don't have "a mania". Your moral stance is at odds with what you're willing to put into practice. It seems like your bphndarynis when you have to enact the same principle you expect from others. Attractive women from your perspective are privileged and won't give you a chance. You, to trans women, are privileged yet y…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 11:30 PM
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Then what do you mean? T And furthermore you said not wanting to date women is transphobia. You said that very explicitly. Bigotry is not orientation. So again, if these things can simply be unlearned, why wont you date one? Youre obviously spun up about the widespread inaccessibility to love, and understandably so. So are they. That's a lot of common ground. If people have an obligation to change their preferences, why cant you be the one to take the first step?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 11:14 PM
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What the hell! Did your research ever show the genesis of that law? Why it happened or what established it etc
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 11:09 PM
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even harder than biological ones. What? Gay people have been fighting for decades to have the fact that being gay is not a choice recognized, and youre saying: Social preferences can and should be changed Biological preferences are easier to change than social preferences This also doesnt explain why you wont try. You obviously won't do it, so why not? You have not answered this question, and in fact, the logic you've just laid out makes it make even less sense. Date a transwoman. By your own st…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 11:00 PM
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Am I thick? I read their respinse over and over again describing how it helps other than perps of DV and nowhere did i see even a twisted explanation of how it cpuld helpen who are being abused. Like, even from their POV I dont understand it. Someone educate me
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 10:56 PM
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How do they not go together? Youre evading my point. If people have to break down their preferences, why wont you set the trend and do this? Your success would be essentially guaranteed. If you won't, why not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 10:47 PM
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OK Put your money where your mouth is. Be the change you want to see in the world. Go on a dating app and set your preferences to trans women. Date one. There is a critically short supply of open minded straight guys like yourself, so you should pretty much have your pick. As I said they suffer a similar fate to incel men with even worsened obstacles, so they will be able to relate to and appreciate it too If it is that easy, and preferences are artificial, then go do it. If you wont, why not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 10:33 PM
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It we think fat shaming is wrong, then why don't we start talking about other things Sorry but this comparison does not track at all. Fat shaming is bad. Virgin shaming is also bad. Not wanting to date fat people is not fat shaming. It's jist not wanting to have sex with them. Period. End of story. Not debatable. Trying to exert control over people to make them, what, open to dating and fucking people they don't want to? That's disgusting. that we think about as "preferences" but in fact are req…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 10:03 PM
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This would, however, require a total reverse of the trend towards protecting women or valuing them more I don't know that that's true. Social customs created "women & children first" and they spawned "the future is female" as well. I see no reason we couldn't advocate for more POSITIVE messaging toward men and boys, as well as advocating for reform of critical social institutions that are measurably letting them down. The self improvement clichés preached by everyone from red pill men to pink pi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 09:35 PM
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What specifically do you think could be done to rectify the asymmetry? It is one thing to recognize that it isn't a fair situation, but other than a few dozen generations of incremental change and trying to promote the idea that men matter/have worth beyond how much money they make, I dont know what you expect to be done about it. You can't force people to change their standards, and even if you could, you shouldn't. The only feasible and ethical thing I can think of that you cpuld do right this…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 09:13 PM
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Oh I know, Im just kidding around and shitting on neolibs. Watching them conspire so openly against Sanders for going on 5+ years now has reallynshown what they are (small-c right wing with a coat of paint)
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 07:57 PM
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Yeah since when have neoliberals ever been pro working class men lmao Ftfy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 07:53 PM
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It's always nice to see misconceptions get cleared up and let go of on here. It refines our points and sharpens our message. Thanks for that. I want to fact check a common claim: it's often said that France used to allow one parent consent for a bio test and changed this when too many men caught their cheating wives. Is that just total bullshit? Ive also heard a similar claim for a while that they briefly had paternity tests be a standardized part of each birth, as they should be, and they stopp…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 07:42 PM
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I dont have time for vague insinuations against my character in place of actual substantive arguments, frankly. Make an actual point
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 05:22 PM
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The guy said they literally don't exist. He is wrong. I said he is wrong, and that it would require social inexperience to come to that conclusion. A quick glance at his profile reveals he's a member of several non-hateful incel pages - which is absolutely fine, but certainly proves my point. Are you sure you're not biased against some men who really have been treated badly? Yes. I'm quite sure. Acknowledging the existence of niceguys doesnt mean I buy the rhetoric that all incels are violent al…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 05:18 PM
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Tbh i think the state's interest is in keeping men on the hook to pay for bastards rather than breaking off from the mums who then have to make up the difference with government money. Theh dont care about the women, they care about holding onto the tax money. Pretending to care about women has simply become a convenient whataboutism to obfuscate their motive
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 04:56 PM
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Government should take the onus off the shoulders of men (and women) and just make it a mandatory part of the screening. They will not. Not because it would harm women, but because it would shatter many families and result in more women collecting social assistance, which neither the establishment left nor the right want to pay for
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 04:53 PM
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Come on, man. No they definitely are not. Only significant social inexperience could convince you that's the case. I have known an unfathomable number of sleazy dudes who try to get with girls by doing lots of favors for them and who have always said the "wah wah Im a nice guy, girls only like assholes" bullshit. Hell I knew a guy who literally complaines to me that he didnt get to sleep with someone because he "took her on lots of dates" (after beleaguering her with requests for months and refu…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 04:47 PM
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Don't "embrace incel identity" man. It's not an identity. Your identity is who you are, "has not had sex yet" is a very puny aspect of that
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 02:33 PM
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I mean don't get me wrong, I'm quite sure there's a lot of "woman journalist saying stuff i dont like... slides in DMs DIE STUPID CUNT / whose dick did you suck to get this job youre not qualified for / go back to gender studies" etc I just find the characterization of this as 'violence' PATHETIC. Words have meaning and redefining them to better emphasize the drama of the point youre making is both stupid and irresponsible. It also makes a mockery of the bravery of journalists who suffer actual …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 02:25 PM
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The problem is that right wing platforms are essentially incompatible with those stated values. Judging by your username I am guessing youre in the EU, but in the North American west things are very dire. The Supreme Court is now a tradcon kangaroo court in waiting, and they will get their time in the sun thanks to intentionally ridiculous anti-abortion State laws designed to be chsllenged to higher court. This will lead to Roe v. Wade being overturned Furthermore, there is no social safety net …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 02:20 PM
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Frankly, sounds like youre just advocating for supporting the right wing altogether. What are your dearly held left wing beliefs that dont relate to men's issues?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 11:21 AM
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I dunno, the virgin (thing) and le chad (better thing) always struck me as softly satirizing incel rhetoric in a pretty harmless way. Only incels, niceguys, and TRP men say that stuff unironically. However i have noticed a huge upswing in virginshaming in general. Disagree with anyone on matters of gender equality sociology and your odds of being called an incel are damn near 100%. It's like the internet has become a giant online middle school. I always take someone busting that out as a sign th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates04/12/20 10:56 AM
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Who cares about climate apocalypse? Biden's media goons are all women!!!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 06:28 PM
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Pfff, why hasn't Harris emptied the prisons yet? Misandrist!!! /s
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 06:26 PM
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Yeah nah Im good on ignoring climate change, attacking abortion rights, for profit prisons, for profit healthcare if you can get any at all, poorly funded public schools, incarceration for non violent drug users, muzzled scientists, widespread class immobility, unchecked police violence, pointless war, and the military-industrial complex. Biden appointing a bunch of women to cabinet etc does not affect you at all, youre just turning the apex fallacy right back around after we have rightly shit o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 06:23 PM
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Woe that i have only one upvote to give
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/12/20 06:12 PM
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That's.... actually pretty good. You can explore a lot of nuance in there too. I.E. the Eternal could be forced to confront the fact that he's thrown a whole shitload of minorities in jail yet all the Lex Luthor type assholes he busts just keep getting away with it And on the other hand younhave the prevailing assumption that he is an invincible tyrant when in reality he has always been human, and how pushing 100 years old or whatever he grows increasingly weak and fragile, yet the people trying…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/11/20 12:00 AM
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I mean, it's not a scientific theory to feminists. It's established fact
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 11:47 PM
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You're a master of message communication, honestly. You dont try to portray feminism/feminists/women as evil, you don't try to diminish their issues, you don't try to flip the script into a pure inversion of patriarchy theory and argue it's matriarchy instead. You just present the hard, inarguable facts of male suffering that goes unnoticed in easily digestible ways. Truthfully Ive always been completely cynical to the idea that people will ever treat sexism against men/male issues with urgency …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 11:43 PM
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Jesus, those last 3 slides....
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 11:32 PM
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For real dude? Yes, an article from Breitbart deserves to be discredited. Same for The Blaze, InfoWars, Buzzfeed, Fox News and like 90% of HuffPo If somebody posts a Breitbart article, they either couldnt find a better source or they get all their news from far right propaganda, to the point that they consider it trustworthy. Neither are a good sign And many MRA's are right wingers that love to post about dindus. He didnt say tbe concept itself is right wing but youre delusional if you think the…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 11:27 PM
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It is different. Really. Youre one of 3 people to shit on Breitbart in this very thread. MensLib is the only other alternative, and MensLib is heavily censored bullshit full of people to criticize feminism even in areas where its rhetoric is demonstrably wrong. Be the change you want to see and stick around
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 11:23 PM
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Oof man. Do you have a source other than Breitbart? This is left wing male advocates and you just posted a source from far right propaganda. Is that seriously where you get your news?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 11:09 PM
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"Online violence" Also known as ... not violence
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 10:39 PM
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That sounds ridiculous, unlikely to function well, and unrealistic to me Im all for no prescribed roles and stereotypes but that sounds extremist to the point of being out of synch with reality. Men will always have a higher sex drive. Therefore women will always "pick". Those are huge aspects of why things are as they are and short of forced hormonal therapy to turn us all into non-binary pansexuals it wouldnt work. If even then
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/11/20 04:19 AM
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Ah, so now theres no such thing as bad form or neurotic dating behavior unless it puts you in physical danger. Keep on moving those goalposts, you're getting a lot of exercise out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 01:30 AM
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I like how she started with "this is obviously just men MAKING SHIT UP" to "actually that's a perfectly fine way to vet men and not remotely indicative of a fucking crazy person"
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 01:19 AM
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You're bending yourself in 80 different directions trying to downplay - and when that failed, justify - this, and I think it's rather obvious it is because it hits too close to home On my first date with a girl Id had a brief fling with 7 years earlier, she dropped the L bomb. Then started talking about '"roommates" within a month. Then saying "she could do 1 bedroom, or even a bachelor". Then saying she woupd love to be my wife some day. This is not misinterpretation. This is verbatim. First da…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/20 01:17 AM
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You know what, I think you've mostly won me over on this point, but I'll continue to explore it anyway. Have you ever seen a feminist say she is anti-MRA, and then stop to specify the exact sort she is against and that there are valid MRAs, MRA ideas and/or narratives? I am betting no (male allies do not count and the recalibration of men's as part of patriarchy theory dont count) I think both deeply entrenched feminists and deeply entrenched MRAs will gladly say they are anti-TheOther without a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates27/11/20 03:02 AM
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Maybe on the TERF battleground I haven't heard a peep about family court, criminal justice sentencing, or the language and messaging around DV and sexual assault
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 01:20 AM
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I disagree. The duluth model of understanding domestic violence is bunk and has been known to be bunk since arguably months after the first women's shelter opened its doors decades ago, and yet it temains the resounding international "truth" on the matter and is pushed hard by mainstream feminism. Thats just one of many examples. Gender Studies emerged as a field of recognized study largely thanks to the efforts (and upon the ideology of) such wonderfully neutral and liberal actors as Andrea Dwo…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 01:18 AM
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I have reposted the response, without the ad hominem. I was going for sassy, not insulting, but that line can be blurry and i definitely went over the boundary
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 01:09 AM
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mods: post edited to remove a smartass ad hominem Nah I'm sorry I don't agree with all that because that sounds bluepillish to me Wow what a great argument, you have trounced me. One mention of an ideological buzzword totally invalidates everything Ive said! Thought-terminating cliches are supposed to be a leftie thing. Do better. I've seen people and friends of mine who are even average looking struggle to get women Wow, anecdotal evidence! Youre devastating me right now! I mean sure I could po…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 01:07 AM
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I edited out the offending part. Edit: or... i tried to, but the edit didnt take Deleted original post, re-replied without the smartass dig
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/20 12:22 AM
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I agree with you that there aren't a lot of radfems - I think theyre a convenient bogeyman that lets people eschew confronting difficult opinions, same as the worst MRAs who are mostly delusional incels - but are you going to deny that radfem ideology doesnt have a lot of influence over society and the day to day battles of the feminist movement? Im genuinely asking - maybe thats a separate topic for you entirely, I know you were responding to someone who made it sound like he gets yelled at by …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 08:48 PM
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I picked up on it just fine. It's just not a credible comment. You can just call every post with content you dont like reading a lie. Seems like a waste of time to me; you have no retort, dont believe the content of tbe post, yet you jist cant scroll on, you have to say something even though it is gl8b and vacuous. Also notice how i extrapolated the message being sent with more factual basis but cut out the misogyny - homeboy is def a misogynist but that's another matter - and you just went righ…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 08:31 PM
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You dont understand the Shakespeare quote you're using to try to sound intelligent and it is rrrrreeeeeeeeaaaaaaallllly embarrassing
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 08:11 PM
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I didn't understand the first sentence... Repeat? Hah. Fixed. Autocorrect is worthless Why is been black pill bad? Probably because it's bullshit. Women arent checking men for nasolabial folds and they dont keep a protractor in their purse to measure canthal tilt. Too many fat fucks, short goblins, and blue collar chodes succeed with women sexually - and I mean really succeed, getting them to give it all up with earnest enthusiasm - for black pill to be correct. I should know, because i was of t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 07:41 PM
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This sub is purple pull debate, not purple pill "Im going to reply with emojis because I dont actually have a point". Not that speculation like the post youre replying to is great, but at least it is saying something. The stats back up that most divorces are initiated by women, by a staggering number, the facts back up that divorce is a great deal for women, and basic bitch common sense backs up that women have more options than men, therefore less reason tk remain in aarriage that is no longer …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 07:29 PM
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I have a funny feeling you know nothing about women you didn't read on incel pages
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 06:12 PM
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Somebody's still working his way through the sidebar Your pill is looking mighty black my guy
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 06:07 PM
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Imagine being this self righteous when you have only strawman-fighting in your debate toolkit lmao P.S. furthest thing from an incel, before you try to go there
/r/PurplePillDebate26/11/20 06:05 PM
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I really hope the person youre replying to didnt just downvote you and run. That would be pretty pathetic when your disagreement is both respectfully stated and so symmetrically opposite as to invite the kind of deep discussion this place was meant for. Upvoted for saying something that is supported by literally all available science, however extrapolated.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 11:52 PM
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As a gender abolitionist, I think we could see a day when gender norms like this are eradicated. When you say gender abolitionist, do you believe everything about gender and gender expression is completely a social construct, or is this shorthand for your wanting the erasure of the gender expectations such as this one?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 11:43 PM
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I can respect that logic, actually, good on you But i think thats all the more reason for a 'sequel' of sorts. A follow up call picking up where you left off would still be short and get to the heart of things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 11:19 PM
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Awesome post!
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 10:21 PM
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One wonders why it would be in the interest of heterosexual women to discourage heterosexual men. No doubt women are more selective, but even then there is no point in giving yourself fewer choices by discouraging men. Ehhh. Very good looking men will get consistent positive feedback throughout their life and know on some unconscious level that these rules do not apply to them. Im not especially handsome but I know how to pick up on when Im dealing with that 1/5 woman for whom I am the type, and…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 07:54 PM
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And "entitlement" never fit into any part of it. I mean .... Elliot Rodger was definitely entitled
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 07:39 PM
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I dont agree that the demonization of male sexuality is the most important issue in a men's movement while society still nudges most (non upper class) men toward early childhood medication, youth delinquency, arbitrarily low grading in education, giving up on post-secondary, being victimized by violent crime, incarceration, and low paying and/or blue collar jobs if they manage to run that ~25 year gauntlet and stay out of jail.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 07:35 PM
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“Anti-feminist isn’t Anti-women” I disagree with that actually. But to be clear, l’m talking about being anti-feminist across the board, against all feminism; the very idea of it. Before I respond - so I can determine if we have some common ground on which to discuss things - answer this question: do you consider women who are anti-MRA anti-men? Do you consider that misandrist? Why or why not?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/11/20 07:26 PM
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I think you should do a follow up video with a bit of escalation. It felt like every time you had them on the cusp of comfronting their biases or acknowledging that you would be screwed over, you would let them off the hook and say no it's okay thank you so much. Pretty much every call ended right when it was getting interesting Imagine if you spoke to one if these shelters, said you were denied help last time, and this time the woman killed your dog ... but you cant prove it, the police wont do…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 07:30 AM
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CHS works for a conservative think tank and most of her career since the Triggering has been shitting on conclusions from the feminist movement She's not exactly an emblem of feminism
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 07:12 AM
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LWMA is an extremely diverse crowd. Like frustratingly diverse actually, the content here is very often not even leftist Yeah. This sub had a great message and great mods but i feel like we have a few of those wah wah Lady Ghostbusters types around here this sub is so diverse that it actually does contains straight up misogyny and a lot of unfair points about women that end up going unchecked I try to deal with this stuff as i come across it thru discussion. I dont think there's much misogyny th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 07:03 AM
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The other thing is that men are much more likey to be arrested than women and their sentences are usually much harsher. Many things like that That's not toxic masculinity, or patriarchy It's just sexism against men, and institutionalized sexism at a systemic level to boot
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 06:55 AM
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Not really. It questions feminism, and therefore is verboten
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 06:46 AM
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Yeah. OP did damage to the cause if anything with his angry and hysterical tone
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/11/20 06:19 AM
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That's amazing. I should speak to my luddite father who would certainly qualify Now if they'd just make an equivalent for child abuse & coercive control
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/20 08:34 PM
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I'd be stunned if there was a single acknowledged academic study. They are scared shitless of this topic
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/20 06:55 PM
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The shit TERFs say about transwomen is more vile and hateful than anything else I have ever seen a supposed transphobe or trans-critical person say. I think their reputation comes from more than merely not adopting the dogma tbh
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/11/20 05:59 PM
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Oh they get it just fine. This is quite intentional
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 10:03 PM
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Even worse. Christ
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 10:01 PM
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This is one reason why it is so difficult to work with people. All they needed to say was: "Hey, on this International Men's Day, check in on the men in your life and let them know how much you appreciate them." Right? And that still would have been a perfectly feminist message. Disagrees with absolutely nothing within feminist theory while still sincerely driving forqard the pupose if IMD Thus tweet comes off as though it were written by an angry radical feminist in her early 20s trying to be a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 09:57 PM
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I'd like to see a website that tracks all big and small efforts like this and whether they succeed or fail. You're right that dealing with average people might have some impact... but the largest and mpst powerful organizations that inflience gender issues are wholly radfem. The U.N., supposedly THE world respurce on issues of human rights, explicitly uses a sexist measurement to determine whether equality is achieved in an area of life (51% men? Sexist. 5% men? Equality) But the cultural marxis…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 12:50 PM
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Fuck that is absolutely insufferable
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 12:45 PM
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Care to elaborate that statement instead of just farting out a glib, condescending remark? Nothing about the rise of third wave feminism indicates the innate norms to which people respond changing. It's all the same. Treasure and elevate women, they are wonderful and to be protected at all costs. Men have to be strong, silent protectors. The form of that protection and silence changes, the central expectations do not.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 04:11 AM
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But people dont sit down and decide to have different norms. Norms arise, they arent planned.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 04:00 AM
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You can't intellectualize a change in the definition of status into being You can write papers and do studies to support thought experiments but you will never make people value different things in an individual. Society has different measuring sticks for the valuation of different people, and the valuation of men is being economically and socially powerful
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/11/20 03:32 AM
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Trust me, it's socially unacceptable to us whities too. I would fully expect a white feminist woman to dismiss your suffering in a patronizing way that passes for compassion only to others like her I can understand being defensive about the study itself - which was, frankly, poorly done and demonstrated little interest in establishing causalities or actionable solutions with measurable results - as people tend to interpret criticism of the study itself as criticism of DOING a study at all. But i…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/20 10:24 PM
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There was a 9 figure study done on the epidemic of missing & murdered Native American women in Canada post-2015. The problem: while MMIW is indeed disproportionate to their representation in the population, missing & murdered Indigenous men is even more alarming. In fact the rate of MMIM directly corresponds with MMIW in the same way that violent crime victims who are white, black etc split across their own gender lines. Meaning they spent all that money on 25% of the Indigenous victim problem a…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/20 05:59 PM
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Thank you!! God mgtow/incel rhetoric gets so goddamn tiring
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/11/20 12:59 AM
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Gonna be honest, I am not here for a comment like "modern American and western women have lost their minds [and] are entitled morons". I don't want to see venomous broadbrushing generalizations about men; I don't want to see them about women either. You should rethink the way you express yourself when you're saying things like "I'm sick of women" and straight up calling them all morons.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/20 12:36 PM
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I think the bothersome thing about MensLib is not that it talks about patriarchy theory and all the baggage that comes with it. As this thread demonstrates there are sufficient independent thinkers to question and investigate The issue is the abundance of hardcore feminists that won't allow even minute criticism of inarguably shitty, toxic, counterproductive feminists or aspects of feminist theorems who take it upon themselves to get things back on track before the Libbers dare to brush against …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/11/20 03:59 AM
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If you refuse to protect speech that you despise, you do not support free speech Oh, youre one of those Ive always been pro-free speech, including all the sorts of people listed. That doesnt mean i have to consider their protection on a platform made by a private corporation so that they can monetize their opinions important. If you are happy to deprive them of the chance to make a living Nowhere did I say I am. I just don't care. So much is wrong with the world, I don't have the bamdwidth to gi…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 07:14 PM
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Very interesting point. I dont think you would succeed at cancelling a white woman feminist for 4th degree wrongthink via this means though, but you certainly could cancel others. A free speech payment platform would be a revelation. Unfortunately, people like Alex Jones, the next Steven Crowder, and actual literal Nazis would be all over it in no time. And then ... youre forced to violate the message to keep them off. Brutal catch 22
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 06:43 PM
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Wtf do you have a source? Im not denying it. It's just that my field of study has been criminal law, delinquency, criminal justice etc and in almost 20 years - much of it in studies - I managed not to hear this fact once.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 06:35 PM
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It's interesting that parties like One Nation can actually serve to bring attention to things like men's issues by taking the role of the scary fringe that threatens the mainline parties by potentially winning over a demographic if they don't act to acknowledge it themselves. Trump is a proof of concept for that strategy working in the right context (in terms of winning an election). LW parties round the world would be wise to take note ... even if the DNC seem to be taking the easy out to ignor…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 06:51 AM
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But the focus of her point in mentioning those twats, in fact the whole point of that segment, is that the marginalization of men's issues and dishonest nature of gender conversations is why people look to fringe energies for such conversations. Because no one else is having them. Her point is that every cosmopolitan liberal nation on earth is wringing its hands about the fact that Donald Trump happened, and worrying about how to stop it.... and why the hell it happened. She's saying this is a b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 06:42 AM
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Damn. This is raw stuff, and completely true. Sorry you have these experiences. For what it's worth Im a really big guy from a blue collar background of white poverty, so I have some idea what being judged a danger or unworthy or whatever at a glance is like. But I have definitely wondered if I were black, say, if the time a cop threatened to shoot me in the face, he might have just ... done so. White feminist women in the west really live in a bubble that shields them from hardship, and nobody …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/11/20 12:29 AM
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If you have more feminist critiques of misamdrist feminism, or bad feminism in gemeral, Im sure this sub would love to read them. It can get a little echoey in here sometimes, but that's what happens when hard truths are intellectually ghettoized
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/20 11:33 PM
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Ah fair point. She was practically daring them to do it though
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/20 11:30 PM
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Come on man. Radical meninists are definitely a thing, it's just that nobody calls them that necsuse it's ridiculous. Gender extremists exist on both poles with nearly perfect symmetry of ideology
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/20 10:51 PM
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Can't cancel a professional camgirl. Even if they really tried to put her on blast, any fake-woke male customers she would lose likely end up being doubled or tripled by "lololol dumb feminazis" type men who otherwise wouldn't have heard of her. All they can do is ignore the article and hope no feminist women on the cusp of seeing the shadows in plato's cave for what they are stumble upon it. Besides, has cancel culture ever successfully cancelled a white woman - or even tried to?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/20 09:59 PM
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You can tell because twox is now calling menslib "misogynist" Lmao fr 2X is hilarious. Ive never seen a space so afraid of critical thought in my life now that they banned The Donald
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates13/11/20 06:50 PM
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Disagreement on MensLib tends to be over whether you agree strongly or very strongly with feminist rhetoric. I'm oversimplifying of course but it's granular stuff without much room for truly diverse perspectives imo That thread does have a more articulate conversation going on but it very often comes down to different ways to agree with a feminist take on (issue).
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 11:43 PM
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I agree with the vast majority of what you've said, but i dont believe for even a single moment that the man would serve no jail time had he seared off a bunch of clitorises, nor thst 180 goddamn days of community service is remotely justifiable as the sentence. That should be years of probation and CS at minimum.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 10:47 PM
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Good god I hate MensLib This sub can be a bit myopic in a similar way at times, but unlike there, members will disagree with one another about such things and discuss these disagreements, and not just nod along to one another in accordance with The Doctrine
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 10:36 PM
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Hopefully just empty bluster, not unlike the alt-right stuff Trump blubbered about doing and either found out he didnt have the power to do or never tried to do in the first place
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 09:29 PM
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AITA is a cesspool of loudmouthed wannabe-woke idiots with no life experience, most of them women with the accompanying biases you would expect. It is not a fair representation of the average person, nor the average woman.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 07:00 AM
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Trump was populist in rhetoric only. In addition to Fascist, more dangerously, his policy was pure plutocracy
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates12/11/20 05:58 AM
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Is there much purpose to this discussion in the context of this sub? Im aware many feminist narratives dismiss negative female agency, but this isn't ant-feminism, it's LWMA. This topic is about discussing a problem that is, in every way, distinctly a women's issue.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/20 02:28 PM
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I don't believe in rights, or in equality Wow so edgy. I bet you're always the smartest guy in the room and everyone is impressed by your unique perspective
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/20 09:21 AM
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Yikes umm excuse me sweaty, are you suggesting women have agency??? Who hurt you
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/20 09:19 AM
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the discussion will just devolve into pro-life arguments, "If he didn't want kids he shouldn't have had sex". The blind, unapologetically reptilian nature of this argument blows my goddamn mind. "Wanna see a magic trick? I'm gonna turn this progressive i to a boomer: Men should have the same right to opt out of parenthood and not have this choice made for them!" poof
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/20 09:16 AM
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The way the laws are currently set up leave way too much room for abuse. That's intentional. The state doesn't want to support single mothers who have a readily available slave man who can do it instead.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates01/11/20 09:13 AM
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Watching feminists try to justify their position on this subject - which is, with absolutely no variation, of COURSE he should pay her child support - is always entertaining. They absolutely twist themselves in knots as they unironically repeat, verbatim, arguments made by old boomer men about "being responsible", and "if they didnt want to have a child..."
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 09:14 PM
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I dont know if youre using "yes" to refer to both in a snarky way, or if thats only an answer to the latter point. Obviously, given where we are, I'm anti-Iraq War and everyone who supported it If the former, that's fucking dumb. The Vietnam War was staffed via the draft, people already serving who likely wanted nothing to do with it, and a smaller number of uneducated punks in need of a job that grew up on WW2 history well-manipulated by propaganda. 'Nam vets are victims
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 08:43 PM
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Are you referring to the fact that he fought in Vietnam, or did he vote pro-Military Industrial Complex when Bush wanted to invade Iraq again?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 08:39 PM
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I concur, but that's precisely what someone propagates when their full-time job is literally to seek out evidence to promote the perspective of one side And frankly, there's a big difference between a John McCain and a goddamn Steven Crowder
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 02:46 PM
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Complete evasion of my point. Ill look at their citations later (assuming theh are provided), and the data provided conforms to data Ive seen in the past on related subjects. Im just saying that citing Summers as an appeal to authority, on a supposedly leftwing sub, is questionable and doubly so when it comes to a question of partisanship
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 01:38 PM
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CHS works full-time for a conservative think tank and plays footsie with Steven Crowder While i dont disagree with her logical points about modern gender politics i fail to see how she's a voice of authority on whether or not something is left wing and certainly not on whether a right wing source is trustworthy, when that's exactly what pays her
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates31/10/20 01:28 PM
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Oh i agree. It's no coincidence that OG feminism, which accomplished real equal rights work, was cached in classist struggle and lexicon ... and it's also no coincidence that they were fighting a losing battle with rich aristocratic white women from the very beginning for a voice
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 05:49 PM
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Oh gross, i was on your side until you started explicitly defending that absolute dumpsterfire of a sub, which manages to contain the ugliest things about both radfem and preliberation pro-patriarchy women. FDS is far more in line with a mix of TRP and incels than it is MGTOW. Not once have i lurked a thread on there that wasnt full of explicit sexism rabidly upvoted. Frankly, if youre going to ardently defend FDS i question your reason for being on this sub, because there's not a single premise…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 10:41 AM
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Agree, but there's proven science that repeatedly venting the same things reinforces your venting as both factual and unchangeable. By all means, get it out of your system... but make sure you actually do. If you reach a point where your only hobby is shitposting on reddit about how evil women are, you're going to come across as deranged ... and frankly, because you kind of are at that point.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 10:34 AM
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Im painfully average, but I live with my SO who is pretty much a sentient list of all the physical and mental traits i was looking for in my 20s MGTOW vs Being Chad is a false dichotomy. Many masculine traits are perfectly obtainable regardless of genetics. Anyone can learn to fix things, or lift weights, or spend some time with trimmers to get a style of facial hair that suits them, or buy some nice clothes. And these are good things to do for oneself, not just so women will like you. Learning …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 10:28 AM
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I think your latter-most point is a bit dramatic, not unlike 21st century radical feminism in the first place The heads of feminist organizations cling to debunked or incomplete points not to demonize men, but because the more obviously oppressed women are, the more work there is to be done - and the more funding for them. Thus people who knowingly preach actual bullshit get to be millionaires. They're just self-interested capitalist scumbags like any other.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates30/10/20 10:15 AM
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Im not seeing what's so offensive about this tbh Youre correct about the double standard, but tim not seeing anything about promoting women for the sake of promoting women here at all. On the contrary it seems to be about inspiring women to acquire the skills to become qualified for these jobs, and to inspire those who are already qualified to go after them Yes we are well past due on needing empowerment & encouragement messaging for boys and young men - and tangible action, especially in school…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates21/10/20 04:43 PM
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Doess it work? And more importantly, does it get them to think - or donthey just reaffirm patriarchy theory to themselves without further examination?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/20 06:23 PM
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Genuine questions OP: Do you believe there are any manners or situations - societal or common-situational - in which women are unfairly disadvantaged in western society? Do you believe there are any manners or situations - societal or common-situational - in which men are unfairly advantaged in western society? What strongly held beliefs do you have that you would constitute as left wing? I dont mean for this to feel like a litmus test, but, well ... it is. Im genuinely interesred in getting to …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/10/20 05:10 PM
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You want so badly to believe that's the case, and it's the saddest thing about you. Which is really saying something.
/r/PussyPassDenied16/08/20 04:35 AM
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"I know you are but what am i" shitttt you really showed me! I better tell my wife, she will be so embarrassed if she hears the news that im a secret incel from someone else Yeah fuck off kid, I was done with you even before you started puking up what you think passes for thought and slithered into my notification bar
/r/PussyPassDenied16/08/20 04:18 AM
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Because ... you're an incel? Or a Don Quixote faux-liberal looking for windmills to fight? Either way, I dont give a shit what you do or dont do. Or think
/r/PussyPassDenied16/08/20 04:14 AM
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They must have failed to control the zeitgeist because I had never heard this stupid theory before that guy posted it Then again boomers never succeed when they try to shame something common among young people
/r/PussyPassDenied02/08/20 06:26 PM
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Does he have time for your nonsense? N O P E
/r/PussyPassDenied30/07/20 02:43 AM
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Legit question, the reason hoodrats wear their pants low is to give off the vibe that they are unworried about a fight right? This dude's level of giving a fuck is in the cellar even by hoodrat standards. Ass out fists up! EDIT: Hey retard that tried to call me a racist - yes, I would still have said hoodrat if the guy was white ... because ... wait for it .... the video takes place in the fucking hood. But yeah I can totally see where my post gave the impression that I was somehow disparaging t…
/r/PussyPassDenied30/07/20 02:33 AM
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Ass out fists up. I cant stop laughing at this line. Im so glad my once every few months pilgrimage was in time to see this kneeslapper. Thanks for that The guy's shirt saying N O P E just sells it
/r/PussyPassDenied29/07/20 07:09 AM
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This is really just a racistpassdenied, but I'm glad I made my twice annual lurking pilgrimage today and got to see this regardless. so tasty
/r/PussyPassDenied28/05/20 06:07 AM
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if she admits to it she should be arrested it’s as simple as that No it isn't. It literally isn't, at all I just explained that the criminal justice system needs a specific crime, committed on a specific date, at a specific time, against a specific victim to lay charges. You cant just say "I know you did this to .. Someone! At some point! Somewhere!" if she admits to it as a joke or for attention she still deserves the full punishment I killed JFK, I was the guy on the grassy knoll /s Whoa damn …
/r/PussyPassDenied15/04/20 03:55 PM
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A person going missing never to return is evidence all by itself. Robbing someone and murdering them are different things If you confess to low level felony from years ago with no identifying details and no witnesses come forward theres no evidence to do anything with. It all hinges on your own video confession, and you can just say "I made it up for street cred", poof, only evidence gone. Even if cardi b had a disease where she can never tell lie you couldnt do shit because you still dont have …
/r/PussyPassDenied15/04/20 08:59 AM
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Almost every post has a dozens-upvoted comment that flat out generalizes all women in a derogatory and condescending way based on the actions displayed in the video. Sometimes not even then. The first person to reply inevitably gets dragged into a posting marathon that goes nowhere and they end up the one with downvotes Saying that sexism gets downvoted is a damn lie. That used to be the case, now you can roll into any random thread and say "that's what happens when you're an adult with the brai…
/r/PussyPassDenied22/03/20 07:12 AM
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Just the other day I saw someone say, unironically, that women who create false allegations should be gangraped by a team of professionals, like think a Serbian black ops death squad except greater and nonlethal I would have thought it was black humor if not for how hard they tried to make themselves not sound like an incel lunatic, like emphasizing that the men would have to be certified as carrying no STI's and "trained not to enjoy it". Felt like I was reading something posted by a goddamn sp…
/r/PussyPassDenied22/03/20 07:08 AM
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This is literally the most fucked up thing I have ever seen on Reddit, which is saying something Get help dude. Jesus Christ I hope you're trolling
/r/PussyPassDenied18/03/20 03:18 AM
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I'm speaking to the broader allegation, which is that even if some women may be with men who make as much or less, they're not really attracted to them or whatever
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 01:42 PM
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High income: women don't date down or avg income Shit somebody tell my SO of five years who started her career ten years before I started mine and paid for the last like 3 dates and still bangs my brains our, she's doing it all wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:49 AM
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Lmao I love when people bring up fit women, no matter where it is on the internet, there will always be someone within minutes to lowkey thin-shame and spew some RealWymyn rhetoric that implies fit women are unhealthy Not being fat is not unattainable, unrealistic, unhealthy, any of that In fact there is research to suggest that overweight women who have kids suffer higher risks of complications or improper fetal development than healthy weight women inb4 "I wasnt saying FAT" yes you were, by im…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 07:29 AM
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That clicks with my life experience. I'm not most women's cup of tea but the girls who are into me arent into me because I'm nice - which i dont much let on until in a true LTR - or because I have money - I never share my savings account onfo with anyone Despite not being what many girls are into the girls I get with are conventionally attractive and think I am hot with an unreserved capital H, like, Chad treatment and everything. I bet a lot of incels just eat those first 2-3 rejections and the…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/20 06:39 AM
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Nah just the biggest incel
/r/PussyPassDenied12/03/20 08:28 AM
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You dont have to be on the right to think the left looks like shit. The fart huffing certainty that we are immune any and all criticism is why we eat shit and why D.T. won last time, and why he'll probably fail to win again after Bloombeg failed to buy the nomination, failed to shame Sanders out of it, the media failed to hide who was winning it, and they're all now on their way to settling for a doddering old man on the edge of senility that they can control But that's neither here nor there An…
/r/PussyPassDenied12/03/20 08:07 AM
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Yes, unquestionably, because I'm not an incel and incels are the only people that would say no. And probably not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/20 03:13 PM
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Funny enough, a lot of people do exactly that, right down to strongly insinuating that their blackness has something to do with the criminal behavior, naturally ignoring circumstances like poverty. And it's just as ridiculous.
/r/PussyPassDenied28/02/20 10:33 PM
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The criminal justice system has favored women for as long as there's been a criminal justice system. It has nothing to do with Marvel movies, at all. At all. The logic you're putting on display right low is the same sort of "dont you suppose..."ry that makes up the stupidest beliefs on modern feminism. You're thinking of a way you can make the conclusion you've already drawn fit and reverse engineering And what you're arguing isn't even correct. Overt rah rah women themes in film have been on a …
/r/MensRights16/02/20 01:38 PM
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It was a minute and a half, maybe And while a stupid moment... it's nothing nefarious. It was a dumb little girl power moment. It didnt put men down or anything else It doesnt matter. It just doesnt. It is such sexist air conditioning tier bullshit that bringing it up at all does more damage to any meaningful MRM because the Big Reds of the world want the ammunition to say that being mad at girl power in movies is all they care about.
/r/MensRights16/02/20 12:14 PM
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Who gives a shit? Marvel movies are full of corny cheesy moments, this is just one flavor among many. Pandering and bad writing, sure. But again, who gives a shit it was five seconds of cheese in a cheesy movie Bitching about things like this perpetuates the myth that MRA's are a bunch of man babies complaining about problems that aren't real. This is the MRM equivalent of feminists saying air conditioning is sexist... maybe even more petty than that. Focus on family court, disposability, the Du…
/r/MensRights16/02/20 05:13 AM
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Yes, saying something rarely happens is the exact same as saying it never happens. You're a real intellectual.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 08:03 PM
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Problem is that random acts of violence against women almost dont exist, statistically. If women take your advice they're usually going to be shooting intimate partners or uncles, and that's a whole other dynamic
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:45 AM
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She's perfectly capable. She's just got a woman good man bad prism over her eyes ... and in cases where the reverse is truly undeniable, such as here, she will resort to diminishing and whataboutisms. Like every other radfem, or for that matter MRA.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/20 10:44 AM
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Active in these communities: femaledatingstrategy Fucking lol
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/02/20 10:19 AM
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This post is exactly why I find the concept of MGTOW as a catalyst for broad societal change hilariously delusional. No shame for the guys who do it for themselves. There are a lot of em that dont seem misogynist ar all and rather feel the juice is thin for the squeeze in 2020, and have said fuck it. Hey, alright. Kill it. Save megabucks and dig on your life But I see so. Many. Fucking. Posts. Comments. Facebook statuses. This idea that mEn ArE wAkInG uP and the RoAsTiEs CaN't StOp It is just su…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/20 06:53 AM
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That's one thing TRP induction could stand to improve. The post-anger phase kiddos seem to get stuck in a resentful state for a long time where they act hard to compensate for past weakness instead of just eschewing said weaknesses and moving forward... and yeah, sadly, misogyny can seem very appealing once unplugged, especially with no social messaging whatsoever about positive masculinity on offer Recognizing this and bettering the information round that transition period would steer a lot of …
/r/askTRP30/01/20 06:48 PM
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Is this "the good redpill sub"? TRP often feels like "haha, what" shit like the OP and meaningless autofellating FIELD REPORTS from 21 year olds proud of themselves for getting a date. There's good stuff in the concepts that can get men on track to better happier lives but the community seems awash with a simple-thinking NPC cult, ironically enough given the point of trp
/r/askTRP30/01/20 06:40 PM
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Holy shit. Thank God someone said it My exposure to the manosphere has consisted of the self improvement aspects of TRP and unplugging from the idea that women are wholly, totally oppressed and want to be babied and worshipped. Some guy railing about how it boils his Y chromosomes to think of losing to a g-g-g-girl at something sounds like the caricature of a MRA or MGTOW everybody who starts their day with a drink of Blue imagines. My SO takes lead sometimes, it's fucking exhausting to always h…
/r/askTRP30/01/20 06:37 PM
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...you realize that by saying "the true nature of men" is to be an asshole, and later doubling down by saying oh sure not all BUT MOST of them... Is the exact same, and I mean the exact same, sexist logic that makes TRP toxic? They convince men that women can't be trusted and that most of them are assholes that are out to get them. The bad behavior comes after. All (gender) are the same and you need to be educated about what shitheads they are!!! Yeah you're not helping
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 11:20 PM
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I dont think a thread like this is accurate, empathetic, or most importantly - even a little bit likely to encourage someone to let go of TRP. The trend I have seen with RPmen - the ones that REALLY live the life - is that they are devastated by a bad relationship outcome, very often one with a bad or manipulative person, and in their pain they thrash about trying to understand why it all went wrong. "I did everything right, I did my best, why did I deserve this??" Virtually all common and mains…
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 02:11 AM
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Please tell me you're still with her, this is fixable I would abandon literally all TRP content with the possible exception of the stuff geared at self improvement. If your relationship was going well before TRP, frankly, you didnt need it. Unless you needed some sort of reminder to have self-respect, I guess.
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 01:41 AM
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AWALT? AWALT is a perfect example of dumbshit non logic. It's ironic and hypocritical to see it so often, too, when much of the community is lambasting third wave feminism for toxic generalizations about men while they have acronyms dedicated to doing exactly that. Also, the "maintain frame at all costs" maxims are a ticket to mental health problems and munching on a bullet some day. Yeah no shit, women would probably find it appealing if you were literally never not in complete control of your …
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 01:26 AM
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I mean.... NAWALT, but, SWALT. And sadly it's not a small number even if it is obviously not close to a majority. Family court does favor women nowadays and wielding that nuclear football is a lot of power. TRP gets it wrong in first their generalization to all women (ridiculous beyond words) and then also in the implication that it is I hereby to women to behave that way. The reality is that humans are the animal that invented war. The idea of the utter fucking over of other human animals for p…
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 01:21 AM
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Are you sure you really wa t a kid? There are women out there that would be into all the things childless MGTOW entails, the endless time for hobbies, minimum of obligations etc. The exception being that there is a romantic coupling of course. I'm dating one. It's pretty rad.
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 01:10 AM
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A woman that has stopped having sex with him almost completely, in a relatively new relationship, belittled him for "not being assertive" (hello neon sign of hegemonic masculinity expectations). I know you framed that from the POV of her being mad at them for belittling him, but I think that's projection of your own more empathetic perspective onto her, someone we don't know much about. If she really felt that way, was really on his side, then she's a pretty dogshit communicator, and saying OP's…
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 01:02 AM
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Fringe extremists tend to mirror one another, and also be hypocritical dickheads about it
/r/ExRedPill21/12/19 12:51 AM
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The question is: What can I do to make my partner's life better right now? This is great advice for someone in a functioning relationship that wants to keep it as such, but it doesn't sound like this relationship is functioning- or at least it's on it's way to a spiral. I'm not hearing anything that suggests to me that OP's gf is asking this question of herself. If so done is starting to feel like their partner is domineering and hypercritical, continuing (or starting) to ask that question seems…
/r/ExRedPill20/12/19 11:22 PM
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Really weird that no one else has pointed this out. Consent? Bodily autonomy? This is 2019 after all? If OP gravitates to being assertive, and feels happiest and most fulfilled in that role, but has lost his mojo... I think reasserting a boundary his gf is trampling on is the best possible way to get some of that feeling back. It should be an easy fight to win, because he's completely in his rights to do so, it's not even a bit debatable to a reasonable person. Don't make a scene, just pull her …
/r/ExRedPill20/12/19 11:15 PM
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OP, all I can say is that the biggest problem with TRP is that RP is an extreme. Yes, even bigger than the frequent misogyny, because this extremist prism is why the misogyny even creeps in (treating women as all one monolith) But just because you've abandoned one extreme, doesn't mean you need to go all the way to the other. Is feeling masculine or assertive a part of your identity that fulfills you? Or is it a performance you were putting on? Somewhere in between? If the former, remove your gf…
/r/ExRedPill20/12/19 11:07 PM
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You dont think a month and a half of r/DeadBedrooms lifestyle is an indicator of strained or lessened attraction...? For a couple that don't live together and haven't been together that long?
/r/ExRedPill20/12/19 10:57 PM
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