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the movie is at pains to have her as the only one making the ultimate decisions That's because it's trying to stay true to the book, and in the book she makes sure she's the one responsible for all the big decisions that are made because she knows that someone is going to prison for doing what the Petrova Taskforce needs to do (like nuking Antarctica to release enough methane to warm the planet), and she doesn't want anyone else taking the fall except her. I grant desperation can lead to dominee…
/r/MensRights27/06/26 01:19 PM
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Well no, we don't find out that she forced him to go until the final act of the movie. But anyway, it's not that she's domineering, it's that she's desperate. She isn't arrogant, she isn't wasteful with Grace's life, and she certainly isn't indifferent towards him and the gravity of her choices. As such, I don't think you can accuse the movie of encouraging or glorifying such behaviors or attitudes in women. Examining whether the ends justify the means in this scenario is an interesting point. I…
/r/MensRights26/06/26 08:36 PM
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That's how it starts, then it turns into a story about how that man is given a second chance, where he has the option to risk everything to save a different planet, one that he's never been to and has no real reason to care about, with no one to tell him what he should or must do. He made that decision on his own. It's a story about how capable humans are of forming attachments, and how those attachments inspire courage. It's not a story about a domineering woman treating men as disposable.
/r/MensRights25/06/26 01:01 PM
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now because its a female scientist doing this to a male victm its all played for laughs. I don't think it was played for laughs, I think it is portrayed with the seriousness that her decision deserves. They show that for everything she said about it being easy for her to ask people to commit to a suicide mission, she does seem bothered by what she's doing to Grace, even though she knows it is a necessary decision. The only potential humor I saw in that scene was just the way Grace, somewhat awkw…
/r/MensRights25/06/26 12:58 PM
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This is Reddit. You can say "murder."
/r/MensRights20/06/26 11:22 PM
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Who cares? That doesn't mean men are privileged or that women's interests aren't represented. It doesn't matter what biological type of person has power, what matters who who power is wielded for. Ideology is what counts, and there are far, far, far more feminists in power (yes, even male ones) than MRAs. Actually, I don't know of any MRAs who are world leaders. Just because it's a man in power doesn't mean he's going to use that power to benefit other men. 99 times out of 100, he's not. He's go…
/r/MensRights05/06/26 08:28 PM
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Karen Straughan, Alison Tieman, and Mike Stephenson (Dr. Randomercam). Basically just all of the Honey Badgers. Karen was the one who initially got me interested in the MRM, though it was Dr. Randomercam who finally convinced me to consider myself an MRA and not just an antifeminist.
/r/MensRights17/04/26 09:45 PM
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When people think about the draft in the US, they think about the Vietnam war, not WWII. Men were conscripted in both wars, in fact it was during WWII that the age of conscription was lowered from 21 to 18. But it wasn’t until the Vietnam war that people really cared about the fact that we were conscripting 18 year old men who didn’t have the vote and wouldn’t until they turned 21. It wasn’t until the Vietnam war that there was this big push to also lower the voting age to 18 as well, and with t…
/r/MensRights15/04/26 08:12 PM
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Only because of SCOTUS. Maybe it's not quite the same thing, but Biden tried to force all employers with more than 100 employees as well as companies that do work with the federal government to require vaccines and to fire non-vaxxed employees. SCOTUS stopped that from happening.
/r/MensRights11/04/26 02:05 AM
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That really is the crux of it all. Feminists used to argue that "patriarchy" is the power systems built by men for the purpose of privileging men at the expense of women. But now anti-feminists and MRAs have been poking holes in their little theory and have been pointing out all the ways that our power systems actually privilege women, so now they are retreating to "what we really mean by patriarchy is just any time there's hierarchy or authority, and obviously our society has hierarchies so the…
/r/MensRights18/03/26 02:09 AM
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In sociology patriarchy is not defined just as a system controlled by men but rather as a power system that looks like a pyramid. Hierarchy and unequal distribution of power are defining features of patriarchy. What utter nonsense. First of all, who cares about how things are defined "in sociology?" Sociologists have the most skewed definitions of everything, they don't use words the way anyone else does, and they aren't trying to. When feminists talk about "the patriarchy," they are indeed talk…
/r/MensRights16/03/26 01:05 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights05/03/26 10:44 PM
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The ”Red Pill” means different hunts to different people/groups. The general concept is always the same, an awakening to some fact or perspective that runs counter to the popular societal consensus. For pickup artists this “fact“ or perspective is that women don’t actually want a partner who’s a “nice guy,” they want a man who they respect, or something like that. I’m not a PUA so I’ll leave it to them to say what they think they’re awakening to. For MGTOW, what they are “waking up” to is the tr…
/r/MensRights01/03/26 09:20 PM
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I would say I'm probably right wing, but that's mostly unrelated to being an MRA. Feminists and Democrats love to say that us evil MRAs and "far right extremists," but the MRM has long been composed of a wide range of political leanings. As for why I consider myself right wing, it's because I've generally agreed with the right on things like gun rights, abortion, immigration, capitalism, and Covid. I do share my antifeminism with most conservatives, but I find they don't share my motivations and…
/r/MensRights08/02/26 01:38 PM
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"Women are into yaoi because if you remove women then there's no threat of any representation of victimhood and sexual violence." I mean I know gay men have the lowest rates of domestic violence, but I've seen what goes on in some of the yaoi content these women are making. There is absolutely sexual violence, and most of the stories have a gendered dynamic between the male characters where one is more cute and feminine and the other is more dominant and masculine. Women aren't creating and cons…
/r/MensRights05/02/26 03:44 AM
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Quite whatever. I won‘t go as far as to say “good,” but I simply don’t care for yet another tale of how women are the primary victims of anything, especially misandry.
/r/MensRights04/02/26 01:18 PM
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You make a good point, I genuinely don't know how other nations would react to him. I'd point out that other nations don't seem to respect Trump either, even if they do fear him. I think Trump and Vance are really a perfect match. Let Trump go wild on our enemies, then bring in Vance's sanity when dealing with domestic issues. I don't know if Vance can maintain that balance once Trump is gone.
/r/MensRights16/12/25 02:43 AM
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I generally like him, he has most of the policy positions of Trump without the crazy. That said, when he speaks he sounds like a politician. He has that tone of forced sincerity that most politicians used to have, it sounds a bit manipulative and like every word was vetted by a pr firm. Honestly, it reminds me of why people like Trump so much. He certainly does not sound as eloquent or rehearsed. I don't think either are great for men, I hope they would at least have some gratitude given that it…
/r/MensRights15/12/25 01:04 PM
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I'm pro-life. There's no consensus on the issue among MRAs, it's simply not a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights30/11/25 02:58 AM
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Speak for yourself. "Financial abortion" as a concept makes no sense. The more accurate term that MRAs like Karen Straughan have used for a long time is "legal paternal surrender."
/r/MensRights30/11/25 02:58 AM
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Somewhere between conservative and libertarian.
/r/MensRights18/11/25 11:44 PM
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I know sexualising is natural but not ethical either. What ever do you mean? What's wrong with sexualizing men, or women for that matter? Men are hot, recognizing that fact is not remotely in the realm of sexually assaulting male children.
/r/MensRights15/11/25 04:46 AM
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Thank heavens I'm gay.
/r/MensRights08/11/25 07:16 PM
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There actually are plenty of gay MRAs. I'm one of them! But yeah, being gay doesn't exempt men from gynocentrism. Contrary to popular belief, gynocentrism isn't routed through men's sex drive.
/r/MensRights23/10/25 09:28 PM
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Part of men's rights has to include us being willing to have some level of fraternity beyond hoping for things like more equitable legislation. Not if the former comes at the expense of the later. And yes, it absolutely will. MRAs have increased in visibility, but feminists still control public perception of the gender debate. One of the first things you learn in any sort of debate is that the winner is the one who best controls the focus and framing of the debate. If you opponent makes 5 excell…
/r/MensRights18/10/25 08:51 PM
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I have mixed feelings about incel subreddits getting shut down. Those forums weren't dedicated to helping incels to improve or teaching them how to develop confidence or to attract women. It's pickup artists who generally do that. What incels do is wallow in self pity and also encourage that sort of pessimism among each other. They correctly see that a lot of the fake optimism some use to encourage them is, well, fake. Maybe someone close to them lied to their face and said they actually are att…
/r/MensRights18/10/25 08:33 PM
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That's just an excuse that no one believes. The real reason he and others like him post here is because they think their personal issues are about them being male and they think this subreddit won't reject them or mock them for their shortcomings. The first isn't actually true, plenty of teenage girls also struggle with dating and awkwardness and loneliness. Teenage years are notoriously awkward for everyone. The second is kinda true, we aren't going to point and laugh at him or revel in a young…
/r/MensRights18/10/25 03:25 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights18/10/25 01:21 PM
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It seems to me that you all really do delete every other post, I can only assume so that Reddit can't say that the subreddit is unmoderated. I've seen dozens of posts like this one by feminists coming here in good faith get deleted by mods, and I've seen posts by MRAs where they clearly spent a lot of time researching for a specific topic also get deleted. I hope I'm proven wrong here, because it would be really cool to be able to have these conversations with feminists without making us look li…
/r/MensRights15/10/25 11:49 AM
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I for one appreciate the post! The mods will inevitable delete it, they seem to delete every post whether created by a feminist or another MRA, I can't notice any discernable pattern as to why. My guess my main questions are do you think we live in a patriarchy, and if so how would you define "patriarchy?" I would also ask which issues do you think men face.
/r/MensRights15/10/25 02:10 AM
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What does this have to do with men's rights? why should we even take this bull shit just because one day some feminists around the word decided to raise standards I despise feminism, but I see no evidence that feminism had anything to do with raising height standards. You're 20, you should be smarter than this by now. Smart enough to know about paragraphs at least.
/r/MensRights28/09/25 02:24 PM
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I'm not okay with Newsom implying that this is an issue with young men in general, and it's especially retarded in this instance given the obvious fact that the shooter wasn't lonely and was in fact in a relationship.
/r/MensRights17/09/25 11:57 AM
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It's safe for me to assume this is sarcasm, right?
/r/MensRights31/08/25 08:19 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights30/08/25 02:09 AM
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I'm not saying that dating woes aren't important, but I don't see how they have anything to do with men's rights. There are subreddits dedicated to venting about relationship and dating struggles, this isn't one of them. False allegations of assault are definitely a men's rights issue, but you brought them up, not OP.
/r/MensRights27/08/25 02:38 AM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights26/08/25 11:52 PM
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This is some petty nonsense. If you don't like traditional dating, then don't participate. There, problem solved. Men have actual issues to deal with, by using the men's rights subreddit to make petty complaints you give the impression to outsiders that MRAs are unserious and, well, petty.
/r/MensRights21/08/25 12:06 PM
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what does this have to do with men’s rights?
/r/MensRights20/08/25 07:24 PM
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This just seems stupid. Is she suggesting that "men who think predation is an unfortunate fact of life" can't also be "heroic men who will intervene?" Why are "men who think predation is an unfortunate fact of life" graded as a sort of light red, as if there's something morally diminished about recognizing reality (it is indeed an unfortunate fact of life)?
/r/MensRights18/08/25 12:32 AM
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Wow, you apparently feel the focus of the sub should be very narrowly focused. I didn't provide an exhaustive list of the very few things I think we should focus on, there's a ton of topics that are relevant to men's rights. Go take a look at the r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates sub. It's much better at actually focusing on men's rights and there's a pretty broad range of topics there. The others? Men and women are different, and often reading the perspective of another man is helpful. Then go to r/AskMe…
/r/MensRights17/08/25 08:00 PM
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The people who think their asinine musings about their failed dating aspirations have anything to do with advocating for men's rights. I've asked the same question, "what does this have to do with men's rights" or at least 5 different posts in the past couple of days. These posts included: Why do women always choose the wrong guy. Am I wrong for assuming she wanted sex after we booked a motel? This generation of dating sucks, especially for men What destroys more men today, chasing comfort or ch…
/r/MensRights17/08/25 07:38 PM
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Thank you, these people have been driving me crazy these past few years. This has nothing to do with men's rights advocacy, these people just want to whine about petty crap and they think that this is the forum to do it now that their own subreddits got banned.
/r/MensRights17/08/25 05:19 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights? My word you people are insufferable.
/r/MensRights17/08/25 05:17 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights16/08/25 03:40 AM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:50 PM
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Do tell what the ever heck this has to do with men's rights.
/r/MensRights15/08/25 09:49 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights11/08/25 01:31 AM
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Yes, MRA means men’s rights activist/advocate. PUA means pick up artist (think Andrew Tate or Roosh V) I agree that men and women can simultaneously have issues, and probably do. But I disagree with the feminist estimation that women have more issues or more severe issues than men. I also disagree with anti feminists who think we’ve achieved equality already. As an MRA, I think the brunt of gendered discrimination is faced by men. My definition of feminism is roughly as follows: ‘The ideology th…
/r/MensRights03/08/25 01:35 PM
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Feminism isn’t synonymous with “women’s rights“ or ”women’s issues.” If your argument is that MRAs should align with Gavin Newsom and that I specifically am being childish or selfish for taking issue with feminism and letting that hold me back from supporting Newsom or Reeves, then you’re in for a harsh awakening. MRAs very broadly stand opposed to feminism, and we have plenty of reasons for it and have spent a lot of time explaining those reasons. And by the way, I’m not particularly worried ab…
/r/MensRights03/08/25 04:43 AM
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Perhaps, but I doubt it. Richard Reeves is the one who wants to solve men and boys’ lower performance and participation in the education system by holding all boys back a year, correct? And maybe I just haven’t payed much attention to him, but I’ve never seen him take a strong stand against feminism.
/r/MensRights03/08/25 03:35 AM
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Don't forget women like Alison Tieman, Erin Pizzey, Cassie Jaye, Hannah Wallen, Anne Cools, and so many others.
/r/MensRights01/08/25 01:22 PM
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I obviously don't think he actually gives a crap about men. This is pandering and it's still limited. Were I to bet I'd wager that he'd never defend men from feminism, for example. This isn't really a change of heart. That said, they're pandering to men now. That's huge. Men are starting to see themselves as a voting group, men are starting to ask what they are being offered as men, and politicians are recognizing that men's interests can't be ignored forever. This is good news.
/r/MensRights31/07/25 10:16 PM
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Love her, and Allison Tieman and the rest of the Honey Badgers as well. I think Straughan is basically required viewing for MRAs (I mean not actually but she should be).
/r/MensRights29/07/25 06:41 PM
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Here's the problem with all this, we really do have to be careful about what we focus on because MRAs do not have any control over the public narrative about us. We don't get to control which aspects of our advocacy is seen by the public, the feminists and trad cons do. So if we throw out a ton of arguments: Non-consensual circumcision is a human rights violation. Discrimination against men in the judicial system is a human rights violation. Male conscription is a human rights violation. The era…
/r/MensRights25/07/25 12:27 PM
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We all, men and women have a right to be treated with respect. Incorrect. In real life this leads to very true things like men receiving longer and harsher sentences for the same crimes than women do. Well I'm glad that OP saying that men who don't have money aren't broke will prevent gendered sentencing discrimination. Don't just dismiss it as silly and inconsequential. You're putting a lot more effort into this than OP did. All he could be bothered to do was type out 2 sentences, which I do st…
/r/MensRights24/07/25 10:31 PM
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But which part of that had anything to do with RIGHTS? I think ever since the incel subreddits got banned this subreddit has shifted from actually focusing on men's rights to focusing on men's dating prospects. Men have more serious issues than not being able to date a bunch of idiot women off the street. If OP wants to critique the demonization of men, then he can put a bit more effort into it, otherwise I don't see the point.
/r/MensRights24/07/25 10:12 PM
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But then what does that have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights24/07/25 09:46 PM
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what does this have to do with men’s rights?
/r/MensRights24/07/25 02:06 PM
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Sure, but the research that proves that women are about as violent towards their partners as men isn't new, it's several decades old. Researchers like Murray Straus have been investigating this and have been finding gender symmetry for a long time.
/r/MensRights16/07/25 12:28 AM
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In other words, misogyny is a reaction to misandry.
/r/MensRights15/07/25 12:26 PM
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Often these businesses are 49% owned by a man, and 51% owned by a woman, maybe a married couple. They do this because the government provides certain handouts to women-owned businesses, and in some cases there are quotas, like a larger business may commit to contracting a certain percent with women-owned businesses.
/r/MensRights13/07/25 11:18 PM
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Not so much anymore, in college 3 years ago definitely. I was stuck in a class for 5 years with one girl in particular who seemed to be incapable of going a week without making some sort of misandrist comment. Even her feminist friends who wouldn't admit to liking men still accused her of being a man hater. There were also some professors who made their contempt for men known. Luckily now I have more say over who I am around, and I chose not to be around people like that. For me it wasn't person…
/r/MensRights11/07/25 03:57 PM
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Did you watch the video? She's criticizing misandry. She's been posting anti-feminist content for over a decade now.
/r/MensRights11/07/25 02:50 PM
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To them, men are the appropriate targets for violence. A man or apparently even a boy being killed is just business as usual, they aren't really suffering, they're just doing what suits them by absorbing violence. But a woman or girl being "forced" to leave her country and try to survive in a strange place? That's hard, and she shouldn't have to deal with that. It's an injustice! Inevitably when I've pointed this out before I've been met with counters like "but it really is devastating having to…
/r/MensRights10/07/25 02:59 AM
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Yeah but hasn't that always been true? Sure there may not be as many "high status" men as there used to be, at least not if we consider that women generally want men of higher status than themselves, and with women achieving more they're finding more men at or below their own status. I get all that, but there are still plenty of high status men out there, so I don't think that criticisms is reasonable, I still think the women saying that there aren't many attractive men out there is driven more …
/r/MensRights06/07/25 02:40 PM
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I'm not anti-MGTOW, I fully support men who want to protect themselves by not getting too involved with women, especially men who have been hurt by women before. But for most men, ditching women is not going to be an option. It's just not realistic, plus the suggestion tastes a little too close to a swapped version of political lesbianism, which is one of the most cringe inducing products of feminism. I've said before that were I not lucky enough to be gay, I'd probably be MGTOW, but I'm 100% an…
/r/MensRights06/07/25 02:22 PM
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I'm a gay man. Let me tell you as sincerely as possible, men these days are ridiculously hot. Gay men are not experiencing this drought of hot men that straight women apparently are. Maybe it's just because women's sexuality isn't very visual, so they can be surrounded by straight men and they just won't appreciate it like gay men will. It might partially depend on where you go. I mean if you're mostly interacting with other people at the gym or in some athletic activity you'll likely be surroun…
/r/MensRights05/07/25 08:38 PM
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I appreciate this post, and I have a few responses. I’m sure how reliable it is to say that only 10% of men pursue 50/50 custody, but assuming it’s true, a big reason why a lot of men don’t pursue it is simply because they can’t. I’ve heard plenty of stories from men who really did want joint custody, but simply couldn’t afford it. Fighting a prolonged uphill legal battle is expensive, prohibitively expensive for a lot of men. Men collectively care more about false accusations against high statu…
/r/MensRights10/06/25 09:57 PM
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Isn’t that the point? Democrats have been so hostile towards men that Republicans got the male vote by a large margin without having to do anything. Republicans just didn’t express contempt for men, the absolute bare minimum, and now Democrats are trying to address men in a way that also isn’t quite as hostile as they typically have (without apologizing for their former hostility) and men are being told “stop letting perfect get in the way of good.“ Basically just that we should accept the bare …
/r/MensRights10/06/25 11:50 AM
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But this isn’t good, it’s a Trojan Horse. I’ve seen it enough to know how it works. They “concede” that men have issues, like how men feel like they can’t express their emotions. By focusing on that, they can frame the discussion to imply that this is the only or at least the most critical of men’s issues. Not discrimination against men in the criminal justice system, not the erasure of male victims of domestic violence. No, men just don’t like talking about their emotions. This has two results.…
/r/MensRights10/06/25 04:45 AM
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The Democrats have been openly hostile towards men for well over a decade. It was bad enough that men moved towards Republicans in a massive shift, and Republicans didn’t even have to do anything aside from the bare minimum of not hating men. It cost Democrats the election. So now, after so many years of hating men, the Democrats are saying nice things to men. And we’re supposed to believe that this is sincere, with no ulterior motive, and indicative of a very sudden but real change in attitude …
/r/MensRights10/06/25 04:38 AM
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I don't see how it's unfair. We want them to care about men. The timing of this makes it clear that she's not doing it because she cares about men, she only cares about getting men to do what she wants. If she really wants to show that she cares about men, maybe she could start by speaking out against the vilification of men by feminists within her party. A mea culpa goes a long way to appearing sincere rather than appearing like a pandering schemer.
/r/MensRights03/06/25 02:14 AM
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This is this party that's about to remove David Hogg from his elected position as vice chair of the party because he's a man, isn't it? How are these people still bewildered by their lack of male support?
/r/MensRights31/05/25 02:52 AM
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So first, THERAPY. Straight to THERAPY. The lady is clearly mentally disturbed. It's normal to be a bit uneasy when a stranger is coming to your house, but this level of paranoia is not normal for men or for women. It's quite fine to tell people "be careful with your safety, you'll almost certainly be fine but there's no need to take excessive risks." That's sensible, but what is not sensible is "men are dangerous, 1 in 10 men will be violent towards you, don't let men anywhere near you unless e…
/r/MensRights26/05/25 08:11 PM
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The reason women have traditionally taken their husband's last names isn't arbitrary, or an example of male privilege, it's a practical solution to a biological reality. Women know who their children are, men do not. Men generally have to take the mother's word for it, I don't think most women understand the implications of this. Seriously, take a moment to think about what it would be like to never be able to really know if your kids are YOUR kids. Imagine what it's like to be a man who gets ma…
/r/MensRights26/05/25 12:58 AM
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What I hope for is a version of masculinity that can include those strengths alongside emotional intelligence, empathy, and vulnerability without shame. What I'm saying is that I think traditional masculinity did make e room for all of that. It makes me think of when I encountered a group of feminists who thought they finally found an excellent masculine role model in media that could be used to invent a new "heathy masculinity." Aragorn from The Lord of the Rings. I've heard the idea brought up…
/r/MensRights20/05/25 03:45 AM
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Yall are doing the same shit you litterally complain about feminists doing with your wild overgeneralizations. I say most women because most women are feminists. What's the equivalent point that feminists are making, that most men are patriarchists? That most men are men's right activists? That most men are antifeminists? That last one is at least maybe plausible, but no, men have not largely subscribed to a particular ideology that hates the opposite sex. I guess what I'm saying is, I think I'm…
/r/MensRights20/05/25 03:30 AM
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My word your writing style is making me cringe, it's like mine when I was in middle school only much worse. I'm merely suggesting we upgrade the emotional software And I'm saying I don't think that's necessary, I think what's really needed is for you to better understand masculinity before you critique it. As for “toxic masculinity,” it’s not an attack on men, it’s a cheeky little label for the worst parts of man-behavior No, it is an attack on men. Why not criticize the worst parts of being amb…
/r/MensRights19/05/25 10:17 PM
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Masculinity doesn't need to be redefined. It isn't broken, it isn't outdated. Traditional masculinity is still very much needed and always will be, it won't ever be obsolete. Also, I for one have no interest in any positive mentions of #HeForShe or r/MensLib, nor any unironic use of the term "toxic masculinity." Know your audience, Men's Rights Advocates are clearly not it. The Men's Rights Movement split from the Men's Liberation movement over our disagreement regarding feminism. We MRAs recogn…
/r/MensRights19/05/25 05:39 AM
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I think the best explanation of angry men in the Men's Rights Movement is Karen Straughan's video "Angry Misogynists." One thing I'll say, yes a lot of men here are angry and some are very awkward in how they direct their anger. That's often a source of frustration for me. Quite often I see a post that makes me ask "what does this have to do with men's rights?" However, I don't think anger at feminism is ever misdirected. Anger and criticism pointed in the direction of feminism is absolutely nec…
/r/MensRights19/05/25 05:30 AM
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And they don't want more women realizing that men are just as hurt and discriminated against in our system as women are Or worse, that men face more discrimination and that women are actually relatively privileged. I mean the absolute horror at the thought!
/r/MensRights19/05/25 05:19 AM
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For the men’s rights activists, the reaction is to deny gender inequality exists, or that it is a problem that needs to be solved if it does. No, I as an MRA do think gender inequality exists. That's why I'm an MRA and not just an antifeminist. The fact that MRAs think gender equality exists is the most basic thing to know about MRAs, it shouldn't be possible to have a single discussion with an MRA and come out of it thinking "they deny gender equality exists." Maybe if the author wants to write…
/r/MensRights18/05/25 02:49 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights16/05/25 08:07 PM
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This is a men's rights sub, not a pick up artist sub.
/r/MensRights16/05/25 08:04 PM
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Hah! I responded with the same quote. Karen Straughan really is a treasure.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:25 AM
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MRAs don't pretend to claim ownership over the concept of equality. We are interested in advocating for the rights of men on the basis of equality. If someone came along and pointed out that women lacked some right that they should have for the sake of equality, we might agree, but it wouldn't be part of our men's rights advocacy to do so. Likewise, we wouldn't tell women that they wanted to advocate for their own rights that they needed to do so under the banner of the Men's Rights Movement, an…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:23 AM
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There are politicians, academics, organization leaders, media editors, NGOs, and influential activists. There are also random people on the internet operating under anonymous usernames. There's a pretty clear difference in who effectively acts as any sort of movement leader.
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:14 AM
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part 2 of 2 You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male. You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:10 AM
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I hope this doesn't come across as hostile, because while I suspect you and I would disagree on many things, I think we're both coming at this issue motivated by similar values. I think as much as we disagree, we also probably agree with quite a bit, but I think you'll find harsh opposition from feminists. Feminists aren't going to admit that they've been responsible for repressing male victims of domestic and sexual violence, and while they will agree with you that "gender essentialism" harms m…
/r/MensRights13/05/25 05:10 AM
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"We hate you and think you're the villains of history." "Hey, so have you thought about voting for us? We have camo hats, and this dude says he eats carburetors for breakfast!"
/r/MensRights02/05/25 03:33 AM
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Why are there no solutions to any of these problems? Are you kidding me? There are plenty of solutions. We could provide shelters and services for male victims of domestic violence. Earl Silverman, an MRA, tried to do just that, he made his own shelter and took the country of Canada to court when they wouldn't provide funding for male victims despite doing so for female victims. He lost because the courts decided that if the government provided shelters for female victims and services for male a…
/r/MensRights26/04/25 11:25 PM
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Many say Capitalism is built on exploitation for profit and extreme greed. People are motivated by profit and extreme greed. Capitalism simply leverages this fact to incentivize productivity. Working against human nature is futile, best to harness it. No, the outcome won't be perfect, human nature isn't perfect. When you consider how much money lawyers, judges, and other groups gain from exploiting the men and woman issues Interesting. You may be interested in checking out this video by Karen St…
/r/MensRights26/04/25 06:30 PM
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That's what happened in higher education. In the 1920s, male and female attendance was about as equal as it is today, but then we drafted a bunch of young men and shipped them off to war. Then upon their return, in a feeble effort to repay those veterans for their service, we gave them the GI Bill which could be used for funding for higher education. Suddenly there were a lot more men than women in college, and of course the feminists cried "misogyny!" Then they demanded grants, scholarships, an…
/r/MensRights19/04/25 06:43 PM
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"The problem is men... she is afraid when she meets men" Women, and especially feminists love to do this. They take women's emotions or imaginations as concrete evidence. Women are afraid of men? Well clearly that means men are the problem and did something to warrant women's fear. It cant possibly be that women are timid or paranoid, it must be men's fault because women's emotions and imaginations cannot ever be wrong. Right now there are also obviously a bunch of women who think that "Adolesce…
/r/MensRights16/04/25 09:48 PM
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We're talking about the same people who who said they would rather be alone in the woods with a bear than a man, then when they were shown statistical data proving that bears were more dangerous they would say things like "it's not about the bear, the fact that women are choosing the bear should speak volumes." These aren't people who are choosing to approach the topic intelligently, they are more than happy to turn to fiction to fuel (not even justify, just fuel) their hatred of men.
/r/MensRights10/04/25 04:40 AM
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Karen Straughan is a great introduction to the men's rights movement. She has an incredible YouTube channel, I couldn't recommend it enough. She hasn't posted in a few years, she thinks she's said all she really wants to, but she still appears in podcasts on HoneyBadger Radio. I especially recommend her videos Neoteny and are the Vaginas in the house?
/r/MensRights08/04/25 09:46 PM
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Well yeah, he probably doesn't know enough about men's issues, and I doubt he cares. The point of the podcast isn't to bring awareness to men's issues or to advocate for men, it's to bring on the dumbest women they can find (or women willing to act dumb for publicity) so they can point and laugh at how dumb they are. They and their audience just want to feel smart in comparison, which is quite sad. Imagine setting the bar as low as possible to feel better about yourself.
/r/MensRights04/04/25 12:16 PM
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Can we actually not post this podcast? It's so pathetic, it's like an adult beating up a toddler and then strutting around acting like they've just proven how tough they are. There are actual intelligent feminists out there, take one of them on and then you'll have actually done something useful. Until then, this isn't impressive, it's just "Cherry-Picking: the Podcast."
/r/MensRights04/04/25 12:13 PM
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Well if that's the angle that UN Women wants to push, then they should provide evidence of it. The text in large font should be "Woman Killed by Misogynistic 3rd Worlder for being a Female Journalist." It shouldn't just be "11% of journalists killed were women." UN Women made the claim, they need to back it up. They didn't, and given that far fewer female journalists were killed than male journalists, I don't think the default assumption is that the female journalists were singled out for being …
/r/MensRights01/04/25 09:42 PM
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Sorry, what? The men's rights movement exists for men across the board, including gay men, straight men, bi men, black men, Asian men, disabled men, and any other variety of man you can think of. The men's rights movement isn't about LGB or trans issues, it isn't about issues faced by disabled people or black people, Those groups have their own movements that focus on their rights, and we don't oppose them as MRAs, and we also don't try to coopt their issues, but that doesn't mean that MRAs are …
/r/MensRights01/04/25 09:36 PM
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The context was that it was a slight increase from the year before, I think it had previously been something like 6% and then it jumped to 11% that year, hence the post "Of all the journalists killed in 2021, 11% were women. Stop Targeting Women Journalists" Of course the problem is that only represented a change from 6 women killed in 2021 to 10 women killed in 2022. This isn't exactly a large sample size indicating a broad pattern or women being increasingly targeted, it's just a difference of…
/r/MensRights01/04/25 12:47 PM
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Hello, gay MRA here. The second one (at least) that you've encountered on this post. Have you any actual evidence to support your claim that we MRAs are homophobic or transphobic? Or are you just making assumptions because you assume we must be the villains?
/r/MensRights01/04/25 12:36 PM
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The article only mentions the MRM at one point. It says: There is a long tradition in which anti-rights movements frame equality for women and LGBTIQ+ people as a threat to so-called “traditional” family values. Movements encompassing “anti-gender”, “gender-critical”, and “men’s rights” have taken this to new extremes, tapping into wider fears about the future of society and accusing feminist and LGBTIQ+ movements of threatening civilization itself. Anti-rights movements have pushed for overtly …
/r/MensRights01/04/25 12:33 PM
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That's because they are men, and men don't have an in-group bias the way women do.
/r/MensRights20/03/25 06:42 PM
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The problem with misandry isn't that it affects trans people, it should be enough that it harms men. You won't teach people to care about men by appealing to their existing concern for trans people, or anyone else. Start the argument where it begins.
/r/MensRights20/03/25 06:41 PM
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Yeah forced conscription sucks but when the alternative is genocide by temu Nazis... So you admit that it's happening. Nah fuck that subreddit, Pro Russian propaganda hole. Implying what? That it's not happening?
/r/MensRights17/03/25 11:11 PM
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We keep bringing up the Xerox machine because that is the point of contention. No one disagrees that male sexuality is different and more intense than female sexuality, due in large part to testosterone. That's all well and good, but to suggest that it's just a normal thing for men to see a Xerox machine and have uncontrollable sexual thoughts is probably not meant to lead to a better understanding of men or to make sense of male behavior. More likely it's meant to make men look like degenerate …
/r/MensRights19/02/25 06:59 PM
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This definitely can be considered thoughts that occur from male sex drive. I'm not especially well versed in medically administered hormone therapies, but are we still talking about the Xerox machine?
/r/MensRights19/02/25 01:53 PM
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Think back to when you were thirteen and maybe you will have a better idea of what he means when he says even a xerox machine turned him on. I agree 13 year old me was a bit more easily turned on, but my word I never sunk that low.
/r/MensRights18/02/25 06:19 PM
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Previously if he (girl at this point in time) was riding the subway and saw an attractive women, he would just think she was attractive and would be curious about her (what is she reading, can talk to her, what could I say). After testosterone there was no narrative or language. A very increased libido where I would see a woman who was attractive or just had an attractive quality and that was enough to flood his mind with aggressive pornographic images and he couldn't turn them off. Everything h…
/r/MensRights18/02/25 05:46 PM
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15 years later we will be fed shit about how ukrainian women were the primary victims of war Zelensky's wife and Hillary Clinton have been saying that since day one. The feminists over at r/Feminism agreed with them.
/r/MensRights08/02/25 10:31 PM
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Why else would the Democrats keep proposing legislation to subject women to the draft? They know they can cave to Republicans at the last minute, and that if they did nothing SCOTUS might be forced to rule against the male only draft. Democrats want their plausible deniability, but are just as gynocentric as Republicans.
/r/MensRights07/02/25 01:51 PM
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What a stupid response from the feminists. The entire premise on which their ideology is based is "When men are in power they use that power to benefit men at the expense of women." Here we are, pointing to an example where men's interests have not been prioritized by those in power, and in fact have been sacrificed for the benefit of women and children, and the only response the retarded feminists can think of is "but it was men in power who did that." How on earth do they think they've proven …
/r/MensRights06/02/25 01:45 PM
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100% agree. With the ERA we can sue the living shit out of the government for gender discrimination in the military draft. Not if we are talking about the ERA with the Hayden rider. A big reason why the ERA wasn't passed was because people were very concerned that it could negatively impact women. Of course, nowadays the explanation given is that people back then hated women so much so of course they opposed to keep women unequal. Funny how that works. But anyway, in an effort to gain support fr…
/r/MensRights02/02/25 09:10 PM
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What does your meltdown have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights04/01/25 01:45 AM
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The truth wouldn't change my opinion of Justin. Either he's guilty in which case he's a piece of crap that I don't think deserves defending, or he's not guilty but still supports the ideology that pushes for the listen and believe approach to accusations against men by women. In which case, he's still a piece of crap. I'm not saying that the law shouldn't care about whether he's guilty or not, it should no matter who it's dealing with. We aren't deciding any legal outcomes on Reddit.com. If Just…
/r/MensRights04/01/25 01:38 AM
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Sorry, but I'm personally not interested in any defense of Justin Baldoni. I suspect a lot of other MRAs won't be either. These male feminists would and have thrown any other man besides themselves under the bus for the sake of their own virtue signaling, I'd rather not set a precedent where they can expect MRAs to defend them when the leopards eat their faces. I mean by all means, do whatever you want, but I'm putting an asterisk noting that Justin Baldoni is utter trash.
/r/MensRights03/01/25 04:14 AM
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You may not have heard of him, but I and many other MRAs have. He's mostly famous for being a male feminist and giving Tedx talks and writing books in which he complains about men. Either he's guilty in which case I have no sympathy for him, or he isn't and is finally feeling the effects of the ideology that he has supported and for which he threw men under the bus because he never imagined it would ever come for him, in which case again, I have no sympathy for him. So no, I don't need to wait f…
/r/MensRights01/01/25 11:33 PM
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I hope you aren't expecting us to have any sympathy for Baldoni.
/r/MensRights01/01/25 05:32 PM
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Men don't fight against the system because men don't have an in-group bias like women do. Research has consistently indicated that women have an in-group bias in favor of other women, and men not only lack such an in-group bias, they have an out-group bias. Men are biased, most likely biologically, to prioritize the needs and interests of women over that of other men. It's frustrating to MRAs, but men's out-group bias is probably a big reason why our species has thrived so much. But annoyingly, …
/r/MensRights31/12/24 04:06 AM
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100% on everything you said here, except: "of those who were raped, 40% were men who were raped by women". I would amend this to "at least 40%." The figure in the CDC report about perpetrators against male victims is that 79% of male victims reported ONLY female perpetrators. This does not mean that 21% reported ONLY male perpetrators. More likely, there's a broad portion of that 21% that reported BOTH male and female perpetrators. But 21% still seems kinda high actually, considering the number …
/r/MensRights28/12/24 03:32 PM
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E. Besides a disagreement with the definitions of the various forms of violence given in the NISVS 2010 Summary Report, this approach of combining the 12-month estimated number of female rape victims with the 12-month estimated number of male victims misses victims in the cells where reliable estimates were not reported due to small cell counts failing to meet statistical reliability criteria. So basically, they're getting picky abut the fact that when we tally up the number of male victims, we …
/r/MensRights28/12/24 06:34 AM
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B. I actually agree with their criticism, to an extent. You can't use the number of victims and whether their perpetrators were only male, only female, or both male and female, to determine how many rapists are male vs how many are female. There are too many variables unaccounted for. What if there are 5,000 male rapists and each raped 1 different woman 1 time in the past 12 months, and a single very busy woman raped 5,000 men twice each. You could frame this scenario several different ways. 2/3…
/r/MensRights28/12/24 06:21 AM
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A. Okay sure, you can't necessarily take data about victims and turn it into data about perpetrators, and I agree that it isn't really correct to apply the lifetime figure showing 79% of male victims reported only female perpetrators to the 12 month figure counting the number of male victims. I will say, I can't find anywhere in the report where it gives the 12 month figure showing percent of female perpetrators of male victims. Hey CDC, why not make those numbers available in the report if you'…
/r/MensRights28/12/24 05:44 AM
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Wow, that was irritating to read. A. First of all, this is a classic "fact checker's" technique. They will latch onto statement that was not carefully worded and "debunk" it by nitpicking, which often leaves people with the impression that all variations of the fact checked statement are false. So what statement are they debunking? 40% of rapists were women This is not the only argument that MRAs have made based on the statistics presented in this report. For example, I've used it to point out t…
/r/MensRights28/12/24 05:44 AM
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I wish. I guarantee there will be an exception for circumcision in whatever legislation comes about.
/r/MensRights23/12/24 03:29 PM
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Here's what Justin Baldoni wrote a few years ago on his instagram page: women around the world have been sharing their stories of feeling unsafe in public and the various things they have to do in order to try to feel safe. In response, the hashtag #notallmen started making the rounds on twitter, with men arguing that it’s “not all men” that are violent towards women. This pisses me off. Why is the reality that women face every single day so difficult to understand? If women feel unsafe, then LI…
/r/MensRights22/12/24 02:04 AM
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I find Justin Baldoni incredibly irritating. Y'all may remember he did a TEDx talk some years ago in which he basically tried to pull some "I'm better than other men, other men are toxic and awful to women" routine. He's one of those people who looks down on men for even having stereotypical male interests like athletics. He's the one good man, because he's a feminist. I have no idea whether the accusations against him are true or false. If they are true, then I obviously have no sympathy for hi…
/r/MensRights22/12/24 01:54 AM
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He's such a piece of crap. In case anyone doesn't remember, when he resigned due to accusations of sexual harassment, his response was basically "men have always been awful to women, it's not really my fault if you think about it, I was just participating in patriarchy just like almost every other man." No Andrew, this is a you problem, you don't get to make an entire half of the population your scapegoat. You sucking isn't our fault. Also, he killed a bunch of people during Covid, so add that t…
/r/MensRights21/12/24 08:31 PM
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Finding out that your child isn't really yours. I can't even imagine what that does to someone, and it only ever really happens to men. How would you even process something like that? Could you still love the kid who wasn't a product of your love, but a product of someone's betrayal? Are your opportunities to have your own kids just forever ruined? Are you going to be judged for even caring? It's such a messed up thing to do to someone, and it isn't even illegal. It's not even considered fraud. …
/r/MensRights19/12/24 11:26 PM
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Gay man here. As far as I can tell there's actually quite a lot of us here.
/r/MensRights06/12/24 04:22 AM
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To keep it short, here are some of the issues we care about: Non-consensual circumcision Discrimination against men in the judicial system (for the same crime with the same record, men face 63% longer incarceration sentences than women. This gap is 6 times larger than the race gap.) Male-only conscription (MRAs actually have made progress on this issue and got the matter up to the Supreme Court, both Republicans and Democrats have manipulated the system to keep this discrimination in place) Disc…
/r/MensRights25/11/24 11:28 PM
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I generally don't care about the "male loneliness epidemic" as a men's rights issue. Not that it doesn't matter, it's just not a matter of rights or discrimination, though it does suggest deeper social issues. That said, I'm still irritated by how feminists handle this subject. You know why men supposedly don't show their emotions and keep them bottled up? It's because of this attitude that expressing your emotions is a burden to others and that supporting the people in your life can lead to "em…
/r/MensRights13/11/24 02:03 PM
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First of all, that's not what I said even a little. I didn't say she's anti-male at all, when I spoke of any misandry on her part I spoke of it in hypotheticals. "IF Kamala has the usual Lefty misandrist tendencies." Do you see the word "IF" there? How do you read that and somehow think I'm saying that I know for a fact that she is anti-male? Second of all, I haven't said it up to this point so there is no justification for your last response, but now I will say it. I do strongly suspect that sh…
/r/MensRights11/11/24 01:51 PM
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I'm talking mostly about social issues because most of the people who accuse Trump of being some sort of Nazi usually are talking about social issues. That said, Trump never tried to overthrow the government. Don't be a silly goose.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:47 AM
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I find it wild that we forget that gay marriage was achieved nationally less than a decade ago Widespread support for gay marriage, even among Democrats is actually very new. Dick Cheney supported gay marriage before people like Obama or Hillary Clinton. Trump hasn't even spoken out against gay marriage, as far as I'm aware the last thing he really said about it was in 2016 when he said it was done and he was moving on, and people act like he's some fascist straight out of the 1930s when any Dem…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:44 AM
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There is no men's rights coalition, you are not badgering them into supporting any MRA talking point. It's not hard for me to admit that our influence as MRAs is very limited and Trump has no reason to pay attention to us now. But I don't think we will forever be stuck in our current situation, nor do I think a men's rights coalition is needed for men's interests to have some gravity. MRAs didn't need to win this election, we never could have. Men could, and did. A lot of men who support men's r…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:38 AM
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they will have to deliver the messaging in a way that doesn’t alienate women’s vote. Oh they'll definitely try not to alienate women' vote, but I don't know that they absolutely have to avoid doing so. I mean they can't lose women entirely, but Trump just crushed Harris in unbelievable fashion and I somehow assume that he didn't win the female vote. Besides, Feminists tend to see it as a zero-sum game (or rather a negative-sum game as Alison Tieman puts it), but it really doesn't have to be.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:30 AM
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Sure, Clinton was also in favor of a strong border and was strict on illegal immigration. I don't know that he ever said anything explicitly, but somehow I doubt that he would have supported packing the courts or taxing unrealized gains or price fixing. He probably never heard of trans people, but if he did there's no way that a moderate 90s Democrat would support trans people the way the modern Left does. Clinton didn't support gay marriage, even Obama didn't until his second term. Trump is act…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:25 AM
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No, it was about standing up to political prosecutions, standing up to the tyranny we witnessed during the Covid response, it was about the economy and preventing additional wars through strong foreign policy. But those were needs. Here I'm talking about what I want.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 03:15 AM
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He could fix Title IX again like he did during his last presidency, before Biden undid his changes.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:49 AM
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Eh. If Kamala has the usual Lefty misandrist tendencies she's hid them well for the past couple months, not surprising given that she started off playing the basement strategy and is about as insincere as they come. But sure, she's not the reason the Democrats were crushed this election, the Left in general gets to take credit for that. The Left has not been able or willing to hide it's misandry, and Kamala was running on their ticket.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:48 AM
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No one has been drafted in over 50 years Can you even comprehend how incredibly short 50 years is in the grand scheme? My parents are old enough to remember the last draft, you act like it's ancient history. And to this very day men still have to register. Why do you think that is? It's in preparation for another draft should there ever be a need. And spare me about women not being allowed to serve in combat roles. I'd much rather be banned from the battle field than forced onto it. That's not e…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:43 AM
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Only because there's exactly 0% chance that Trump would even consider doing anything to stop that. He has Jewish family, and a lot of Jews are quite quick to cry "antisemitism" at even the mention of opposition to non-consensual circumcision. For the record, I don't think Trump is going to do anything about discrimination against men in the judicial system either, for example. I'm not even sure what a president could do about that. But he could at least publicly oppose it, whereas I don't think …
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:30 AM
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He isn't anti-male either. It's not enough for my satisfaction, but we can work with it.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:08 AM
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To be fair, while that commercial was awful, it wasn't made by the Harris campaign. A lot of people expressed misandry "on her behalf" if you will.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:07 AM
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By law only men are required to register for the draft when they turn 18. 100% of young men have been required to register, 0% of women have been. Biden changed Title IX earlier this year which has disadvantaged students accused of assault, which regardless of actual rates of assaults, most of those who are accused are men. As for discrimination in the judicial system, researchers have found that for the same crime of the same severity and with the same criminal record, men face 63% longer incar…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 02:06 AM
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Gender equal conscription, due process for university students, discrimination in the judicial system, paternal rights, etc.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 01:45 AM
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Delusional. Trump is about as right wing as Bill Clinton was in the 90s. Seriously, they're almost the same in many of their policies. The Overton Window has objectively shifted Left.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 01:25 AM
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Now we enjoy the feminist tears for a few months, and then when Trump is president we badger him and the other conservatives into supporting some actual pro-male policies. The Left hates men, and the Right doesn't care about men. Harris herself wasn't the problem, she tried to get the male vote, it was the Left more broadly that was openly hostile to men, not Harris. The Left might just learn their lesson, and if they do, simply not caring about men won't be enough for the Right to keep the male…
/r/MensRights07/11/24 01:22 AM
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All I wanted in this election was for men to cost the Left everything. It happened, and I am ecstatic. They deserve this.
/r/MensRights07/11/24 12:38 AM
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Due process for one. The Obama administration was terrible on that matter. Trump changed Title IX to restore due process rights for university students, but then Biden undid Trump's changes this year.
/r/MensRights05/11/24 08:54 PM
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It's not a discrediting failure of the subreddit, it's something that annoys me. It feels like when someone tries to start an argument by saying "I just think it's funny that..."
/r/MensRights01/11/24 12:22 PM
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Too many posts are framed as questions in the title. "Why is it socially acceptable to hit a man but not a woman?" "Why are men seen as more disposable than women?" And then the post might come to the obvious conclusion: sexism against men. You know that's the answer, the people on this subreddit know that's the answer. You can talk about it without framing it like the question that it clearly isn't.
/r/MensRights01/11/24 04:16 AM
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What are my thoughts? I had my own suspicions about the election, even before Trump said a word (my point being that I didn't need or want him to tell me what to think about it). But ultimately, I had no proof of the election being stolen, and neither did Trump. I don't think it's dangerous to question an election, I think it's even important for transparency. What's important is that in the absence of any proof, Trump needed to step down. And he did, without incident. I don't blame Trump for th…
/r/MensRights31/10/24 11:54 PM
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There it is. Your opinion is noted and filed in the garbage where it belongs. I'll take this as further proof that Democrats are hostile to my vey existence and are not worth even remote consideration for my vote.
/r/MensRights31/10/24 11:44 PM
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Democrats are better objectively for workers Democrats tried to get me fired from my job, just because I didn't want the vaccine. I'm young and healthy, Covid wasn't a threat to me, there was no evidence that the vaccine would prevent transmission, and just a few months earlier those same Democrats had been voicing skepticism of the vaccine and swearing not to take it because Trump had endorsed it. Democrats didn't just coldly attempt to force my job to fire me, they expressed open hot contempt.…
/r/MensRights31/10/24 01:25 PM
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I loved this video. Everything in it is perfect, except maybe one bit at the end. Even if you think the Democrats are better in terms of things like healthcare, education, the economy, etc., this doesn't mean they are better "for men." You won't hear Democrats talking about improving men's access to healthcare or education, or advancing men's roles in the workforce. When Democrats talk about these issues, they're either gender neutral or they speak in terms of how to help women. Democrats don't …
/r/MensRights31/10/24 02:28 AM
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Neither will be good for men's rights, it's more about which will be worse. The obvious answer is that Kamala would be worse. If you want an example from just the other week, when asked if there have ever been any las that granted the government control over men's bodies, she confidently responded "no." Every man who has reached the age of 18 knows this is factually incorrect, anyone with a high school level education knows she was incorrect. I think she knows she was incorrect. It really is the…
/r/MensRights27/10/24 04:16 AM
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Delusional.
/r/MensRights27/10/24 04:05 AM
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Ironically, an election that was supposed to be about women because of the issue of abortion rights may in the end be decided by the votes of young men. I severely hope that Democrats lose this election because of men. There could not possibly be a stronger message to send that asserts that men cannot be taken for granted. The Democrats have existing initiatives that are a good starting point for a strong pro-male policy platform. But they have been reluctant to package them as such and could do…
/r/MensRights23/10/24 03:52 AM
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overrepresentation of the interests of a minority over the majority Well A, just because the majority wants something doesn't make it doesn’t automatically make it good, right, fair or ethical. No voting system guarantees good, right, fair, or ethical outcomes. That's the entire reason why we are a Republic, not a Democracy. The point of our Republic, the point of the electoral college, isn't to overrepresent the interests of just any random minority, again it's to give more influence to the mod…
/r/MensRights23/10/24 03:31 AM
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I think you are confusing what is legal with what is fair on that last point. Something being legal doesn’t automatically make it good, right, fair or ethical. I'm conflating legal and fair because the changes to the laws that gave Trump 3 SCOTUS nominations were caused by the actions of Democrats. Specifically, I'm referring to when they removed the filibuster for confirming justices. Yes, this is a legal matter. Yes, it is fair that the power grab by the Democrats attempted while they were in …
/r/MensRights23/10/24 01:39 AM
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One vacancy was at the end of Obama's term, but Republicans reasoned "it's basically the next president's turn, so Obama can't pick it." Yeah, and they were able to do so because Republicans controlled the Senate. Then at the end of Trump's term EVEN MORE TO THE END THAN WITH OBAMA, Republicans were like "guys, Trump is still the president so he should pick." Because again, at the time Republicans controlled the Senate. There's a pretty consistent argument here, when the Republicans control the …
/r/MensRights21/10/24 09:37 PM
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They weren't made up rules. Are you talking about removing the filibuster so that only a simple majority was required to confirm justices? Guess who did that? Democrats. Guess who said that they would regret doing it? Mitch McConnell. Do you know what court packing is? Because that's still not court packing. Court packing is when you add seats to the court to bias it in a certain direction. Democrats have threatened to pack the court, which would pretty much destroy the integrity of the judicial…
/r/MensRights21/10/24 09:30 PM
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a packed SCOTUS I know Biden said that Trump "packed the court," but he was lying. The Republicans have never packed the court.
/r/MensRights21/10/24 02:10 PM
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Well yeah, because they don't work. All a guy has to do to get out of one is let his dick get soft.
/r/MensRights13/10/24 03:10 PM
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Guess who blocked every attempt at draft equality, because it wasn’t the Democrats. It was actually the Democrats. It may not look like it, they wanted plausible deniability, but they did the only thing they could that would prevent it. After a men's rights group got their challenge to the Supreme Court, it looked like SCOTUS was going to be forced to make conscription gender-neutral. Then the Democrats in Congress said "hey, let's try to pass some legislation establishing draft equality." In re…
/r/MensRights10/10/24 10:44 PM
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The Republicans certainly are not the party of men. You can check my own comment history to see some criticisms of the Republicans. However, we had draft equality almost guaranteed, and the Democrats pulled the only maneuver that could possibly result in draft equality getting shot down. Of course, it also only worked because of Republicans, but both sides oppose draft equality. My point wasn't to the contrary, my point was that Republicans don't want to keep the draft male-only because thy hate…
/r/MensRights10/10/24 10:32 PM
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Appeasement doesn't prevent wars What I like about Trump is that he doesn't depend on appeasement. Quite the contrary, he's at times rather unhinged and unpredictable. When he talks about Iran he's blunt and says things like if they become a problem he's "gonna bomb the sh** out of them." That isn't appeasement. What invites war is weakness. When our enemies think our leadership is weak, they see opportunity. Biden and Harris showed weakness in Afghanistan, Biden is clearly senile and Kamala is …
/r/MensRights09/10/24 12:01 AM
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You care more about a draft that happened 50+ years ago than a tax happening now. No, both are happening now. Men and men alone are required to register now. Men and men alone can be conscripted now. All it takes is for there to be a war (we're close to at least one) and subsequently a draft. Sure, the effects of that legislation are contingent on certain events occurring, but the same is true of the tax. It only affects you if you owe alimony or whatever, and by the way, that can also affect wo…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 12:51 PM
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Ending selective service isn't realistic. What is realistic is making it gender neutral, and progress has been made on that front, but no, not by Trump. The president doesn't get to just make changes to the law, it has to go through the legislative branch. I'm not suggesting that given the opportunity, Trump would fix the draft, he probably wouldn't. But what he also wouldn't do is suggest, as Kamala did, that it doesn't exist, or that no legislation grants the government power over men's bodies…
/r/MensRights08/10/24 12:44 PM
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An entire 50 years! Might as well be ancient history then I suppose! And sure, that particular tax adjustment sucks for men, but I somehow doubt that Trump was trying to be actively hostile to men the way the Democrats, including Biden and Harris, so often are. I agree, the Republicans suck and do not sufficiently support men. But the Left actively hates men, and I do mean actively. They consider misandry a virtue and try to express as much of it as they can.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 03:47 AM
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If Trump dodged the draft it might suggest that he understands the injustice of conscription. I can't actually say I blame him, maybe he'll be sympathetic to other men who don't want to be drafted into some pointless war.
/r/MensRights08/10/24 03:44 AM
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How would anyone even go about trying to win the male vote anyway? You can try to get the female vote by promising to "fight for women's rights," by promising to fight for abortion, by promising to protect women's sports, by promising to help advance women in the workforce or in education, and so on. This can actually work, because women will absolutely vote based on who they think will best serve their gender. Men won't do the same. Imagine a candidate who would promise to fight for men's right…
/r/MensRights05/10/24 03:15 PM
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Are these the options? Their position is either "non-existent" or "they spend a great deal of time talking about it"? I asked you if "feminists broadly share a unified position." I don't think they do, I think you can ask any random collection of feminists what they think about the draft and you'll get the same variety of answers that you would from the general non-feminist population (because that's what I've experienced). You'd get answers ranging from "No one should be drafted," "men and wome…
/r/MensRights03/10/24 12:52 PM
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Oh, you disagree? You mean that you do think that feminists spend a great deal of time talking about the draft outside of responding to MRAs and antifeminists? I mean it is the single most severe form of systemic sexism in the US. I don't know how all the feminist discourse about this slipped passed me all these years that I've been carefully observing feminism. I want you to state your position clearly. Do you actually think that feminists broadly share a unified position on the draft that they…
/r/MensRights26/09/24 10:08 PM
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The feminist position on this is non-existent. When do feminists ever talk about the draft outside of responding to MRAs or anti-feminists pointing out the inequality faced by men? If we don't talk about it, feminists are silent, even though this is a significant example of systemic sexist discrimination, which feminists claim to fight against as their raison d'être.
/r/MensRights26/09/24 02:57 AM
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I get where you're coming from, we shouldn't need our ideas to be expressed by women for them to be taken seriously. Alison has responded to such sentiments before. So have other MRAs. Here's a video my an MRA (Mike Stevenson), who happens to be a man, responding to another MRA who would seem to agree with you. In the video Mike does include a section from Allison (the woman in the video posted by OP) in which she argues that men can't advocate for themselves effectively on their own, but more i…
/r/MensRights22/09/24 11:42 PM
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She's one of the most effective MRAs ever, she created Honey Badger Radio, a Men's Rights media group. She's organized the International Conference on Men's Issues, she appeared in Cassie Jaye's documentary "The Red Pill." The title of the video is a description of a view that she critiques. She is very much someone who deserves a view. Even if you don't have time for this one, it is long, she has other videos that are certainly worth the attention of any MRA.
/r/MensRights22/09/24 07:01 PM
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They still do videos together, fairly regularly.
/r/MensRights22/09/24 06:58 PM
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I've only spent a minute skimming it, but it looks like they mention (and only mention once) Karen Straughan, they talk a little about Hannah Wallen and the Honey Badgers, they mention Janice Fiamango, CAFE, Men's Rights Edmonton, A Voice for Men, Paul Elam and Warren Farrell. At least this time they didn't try to pull the usual "Andrew Tate, the popular MRA" nonsense that we're used to, they seem to be talking about actual MRAs. I don't have much faith that this paper will be even half-decent g…
/r/MensRights18/09/24 11:48 PM
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Regarding point 3, I actually rather like that male beauty seems to be gaining more appreciation. It hasn't always been the case that women were considered to be far more beautiful. Men are hot, it's time that this be fully recognized.
/r/MensRights15/09/24 08:00 PM
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the right wants you to hate everything that isnt a man Well I don't buy that for a second. There's a reason MRAs get in fights with traditionalist conservatives almost as often as we do with feminists, and it isn't because conservatives hate women.
/r/MensRights04/09/24 10:49 PM
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The relationship between universal male suffrage and conscription has never been set in stone, you won't find any laws the establish any sort of relationship between the two. However there's been a consistent unofficial link between the two. When there was a lawsuit against the US arguing that the draft violated the 13th amendment as it was essentially a form of slavery, SCOTUS rejected the argument and in the decision wrote that men were subject to such obligations in return for the rights as c…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 01:06 PM
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The manosphere, including the MRAs, want to maintain the status quo. Such stupidity. MRAs want to end the male-only draft. We want to stop non-consensual circumcision. We want male victims of DV to receive access to shelters and services. We want rape laws in places like the UK and India to cover male victims. We want discrimination in the judicial system to end. None of this would be maintenance of the status quo, it's actually all quite radical. They want to maintain systems of discrimination.…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 04:12 AM
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MRAs like Jordan Peterson and Fresh and Fit (lol what?) argue "if men are so powerful in society then why do we have to go to war?" They don't realize that the problem is patriarchy, and instead blame women and feminism. No, what they say (Jordan Peterson at least, I don't know or care what Fresh and Fit says) is "if men in power prioritize men's needs and interests then why do we have to go to war?" And again, we do blame feminism for a lot of things, not least of which is this retarded "patria…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 04:05 AM
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Men are seen as strong, stoic, and eager for sex and therefore incapable of not wanting sex or being forced, therefore are not recognized when they are victimized. Women contribute to this but so do men. Yes, MRAs recognize that both men and women are responsible for this. This is MRA 101, you must be aware of this if you spent any time "infiltrating" the MRM. Was it feminism who applied these traits to manhood or was it patriarchy? Well obviously it wasn't feminism that did it first, MRAs don't…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 03:47 AM
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"Maybe you just think men have it worse and the draft is an example. Why is that women's fault?" Again, so what if it isn't? Not everything MRAs do is about blaming women. I get that you might think that MRAs only blame women, but maybe that's because your own perception is wrong, it's not necessarily that we're the idiots. "If you truly believe that men face systemic discrimination, why aren't you mad at the system?" WE FREAKING ARE YOU ASININE FOOL! "Women don't even benefit from the draft." Y…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 03:29 AM
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"MRAs tend to argue that feminist are softening men..." Did you know we aren't traditionalist conservatives? My criticism of feminism has always been that feminists demonize men, not that they soften men. The closest thing I can think of that MRAs do actually say is that we criticize feminists for doing the whole "men should be more emotionally expressive" thing. But that's not because it's softening men, it's because that talking point fails to understand that men aren't defective women, men do…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 03:21 AM
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"Women were considered undesirable by the country," hence why women weren't drafted. Freaking source please! No, women weren't considered undesirable. "The PaTrIaRcHy considered women more capable of homemaking than combat." I'm sorry to inform you, but at a time without modern technology, without aircraft, without motorized vehicles, women were not just considered less capable of combat because of arbitrary sexism, women are in fact physically weaker than men, and that reflects in combat capabi…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 03:21 AM
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Consider this my response to the MRA section of the video you linked to: MRAs are wrong to criticize feminism for the male-only draft, because the draft was created by men and the patriarchy, not feminists. First of all, MRAs do not criticize feminism for creating the male-only draft, we know that the male-only draft has existed across cultures for millennia before feminism came about. I know you may not be aware, but we get in fights with traditionalist conservatives about as much as we do with…
/r/MensRights04/09/24 03:21 AM
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Can you provide evidence that feminists, at large, intend to harm men? That their end goal is a matriarchy? As a feminist I don't hate men at all nor am I someone who wants matriarchy. I just want equality. A lot of casual feminists, presumably including you, aren't really the problem, nor are you representative of feminism. We get posts like this often, so forgive me for quoting a response by one of the most well-known MRAs, Karen Straghan: "So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using …
/r/MensRights04/09/24 02:29 AM
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I'm going to be the annoying person here. I think there's room for this sort of venting on this sub, there aren't many other places where it's allowed. But for the lurkers, this isn't actually a men's rights issue. Yes, as MRAs we do discuss the mild inconveniences faced by men, largely to balance out the lamenting of women's mild inconveniences done on a large scale by feminists. If the only narrative ever spoken was about women's mild first world problems then the public might get the impressi…
/r/MensRights01/09/24 02:08 PM
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Wut?
/r/MensRights28/08/24 01:02 AM
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There's an awful lot of appeal to emotional language you've laid out, but no... links. So I had to research the matter more for myself. I question whether you know what an appeal to emotion is, because I didn't actually do that. Not that it would discredit my argument if I had, nor does it discredit my argument that I didn't provide any... links. You should be doing research anyway. As it turns out, the link you provided doesn't contradict any of the points I made, because none of the actual fac…
/r/MensRights24/08/24 05:50 AM
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But it doesn't seem like that's what you're doing. Instead, it kind of seems like you're arguing for a conspiracy of democrats somehow orchestrating the convictions. Which is wild. No, that is what I'm doing, I'm arguing that the justice system was rigged by Democrats so that they could convict Trump of something, they didn't care what that thing was they just wanted revenge, and they were willing to make up a crime to do it. I am arguing that "being convicted of a crime under a corrupt justice …
/r/MensRights23/08/24 03:44 AM
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If I was going to vote for anyone it would have been Trump, but I certainly could have been swayed to stay home on election day. I don't live in a swing state, and I'm a busy person. But those 34 convictions guaranteed that I will do everything in my power to make sure I and every Trump leaning person I know is in line to vote in November. The prosecution of Trump was entirely political, it was absolute BS and actual legitimate evil. I will never forgive the Democrats for it, they've turned our …
/r/MensRights23/08/24 03:04 AM
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I don't know, her proposed tax on unrealized capital gains as well as her proposed price controls seem like almost deliberate attempts to shoot down what's left of our economy so that even our grandchildren won't see the recovery. I'm sure it's not actually malicious, but she genuinely doesn't seem like an intelligent person. Trump can be an idiot too in some ways, but he understands business. I genuinely don't know what redeeming qualities Kamala's intelligence has to lean on.
/r/MensRights23/08/24 02:59 AM
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First of all, I don't see what this has to do with men's rights, other than that maybe it's another example of a man, or maybe men in general being unfairly characterized in media, but this example is mild compared to other examples of that which occur regularly. Still interesting I guess to see someone so entirely delusional. The more I worked, the less I was attracted to men in my free time. Darling I think that might just be the problem and a big reason why your boyfriend might not have liked…
/r/MensRights09/08/24 10:25 PM
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J.K. Rowling, a staunch critic of aspects of the transgender movement. The author attached a photo of Khelif smiling at her opponent after the match and wrote: “Could any picture sum up our new men’s rights movement better? The smirk of a male who knows he’s protected by a misogynist sporting establishment enjoying the distress of a woman he’s just punched in the head, and whose life’s ambition he’s just shattered.” Oh, so now this is "the new men's rights movement" J.K. Rowling? The MRM is now …
/r/MensRights02/08/24 03:10 AM
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I take it your point is that abortion is the equivalent of legal paternal surrender? I disagree, and I think it's also an ineffective argument to make. With Roe overturned, abortion has been banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is being banned, then how will you be able to make the case that men should have legal paternal surrender on the basis of equality? And it's really not comparable to abortion. The equivalent to legal paternal s…
/r/MensRights26/07/24 06:22 AM
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Neither of the two parties does. This has always been the case. Both are locked in a contest of who can appeal to women the most. They have to do that because women are self interested and vote based on who they think will best serve their interests as women, men have no such in-group bias, so any attempt to appeal to men's needs just wouldn't appeal to most men.
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:10 AM
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You can’t me a true MRA if you don’t support womens rights as well I entirely reject the narrow framing of abortion as an issue of "womens rights." The entire point of contention is that womens rights and the rights of the unborn seem to be in conflict, one side asserts that the unborn should have no rights, the other side think the unborn should have rights. It is entirely possible to be an MRA and be of the opinion that the unborn should have basic human rights. There are pro-choice MRAs and p…
/r/MensRights26/07/24 03:08 AM
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This won't bring men's issues to the public, what will happen is both sides will accuse the other of not sufficiently protecting women's rights, and both will take swings at men to do it. "You're party is full of evil men who want to invade women's spaces! You don't care about women!" "You're party is full of evil men who want to control women's bodies! You don't care about women!" Both sides will try to prove how good they are by appealing to women, because that's what people care about: women.…
/r/MensRights22/07/24 01:55 AM
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Well they've only won 1 of the last 4 presidential elections. Also I don't think any Republicans are having to plug their nose at voting for a convicted felon. The political prosecution is actually a source of motivation to vote Trump.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:59 PM
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There's a good reason she lost to Trump of all people.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:56 PM
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Perhaps, but Hillary "women are the primary victims of men's deaths" Clinton is so much worse.
/r/MensRights21/07/24 05:55 PM
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And whatever you do, DO NOT VOTE for Trump. I'm going to vote Trump, for a third time, and this time I'm going to do so enthusiastically. First of all, Trump has his own agenda, Agenda 47. I simply do not buy this conflation between Project 2025 and Trump. I highly doubt Trump is the kind of person who would ever actually sit down to read a 900 page document anyway. I'm permanently banned from r/Conservative for daring to criticize Trump's gynocentrism, so don't mistake me for someone unaware of…
/r/MensRights19/07/24 03:54 AM
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When you're prepared to pose an actual counterargument that indicates you've at least read my arguments, then I'll consider this exchange worth engaging in. Until then all I have to say is this: Freaking retard.
/r/MensRights17/07/24 08:16 AM
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We literally just went over this, you seem incapable of reading.
/r/MensRights16/07/24 10:32 PM
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Yes, that is generalizing about women. Who's generalizing women here? It's not OP, it's the "some women" he's talking about who think women in general are entitled to all the things. "Women should have the expectation of never lifting a finger their entire lives and have everything handed to them" is clearly not OP's position, that is the position of "some women," and OP objects to that position. The equivalent to "why do horses have hooves?" would be "why do women have the idea that they should…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 09:52 PM
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OP did not slip up in the title. If I asked "where did the idea come from that women are never responsible for their own bigotry, they are simply manipulated by abusive men," is that generalizing all women? If I then go on to state in the post that this is the view of "some women," such as Andrea Dworkin (see her book Right Wing Women), is it still "generalizing all women?" Maybe women are being generalized here, but not by OP, rather by the "some women" he is talking about who have an opinion t…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 12:22 PM
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If I asked "where did the idea come from that women are never responsible for their own bigotry, they are simply manipulated by abusive men," is that generalizing all women? If I then go on to state in the post that this is the view of "some women," such as Andrea Dworkin (see her book Right Wing Women), is it still "generalizing all women?" Maybe women are being generalized here, but not by OP, rather by the "some women" he is talking about who have an opinion that women IN GENERAL are entitled…
/r/MensRights16/07/24 12:21 PM
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Right, I agree, but OP explicitly said "a lot of women," "these women," "some women." OP didn't just say "women" and leave the "all" silent, but went out of his way to clarify that it was "some women," and that still wasn't enough to keep his post from being pulled, so I really have a hard time believing that "generalizing women" was the thing that set the mod off.
/r/MensRights15/07/24 09:59 PM
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Because if he didn't it would give his identity away and they would kill him. Can we get some basic media comprehension in here?
/r/MensRights13/07/24 02:47 AM
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He was just going to place bugs in the part of the house with the other guests, he didn't know anything about the basement and only went because the only way to back out of it would have blown his cover and gotten him killed.
/r/MensRights13/07/24 01:25 AM
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I think MRAs make a big mistake in using the terms "paper abortion," or "financial abortion." I have a few objections: Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start. With Roe overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is ab…
/r/MensRights07/07/24 04:05 PM
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Oh please, you don't need abortion to prevent a pregnancy. The morning after pill is readily available. Maybe instead of fearmongering you could actually inform rape victims of their options. Also, male rape victims have been slapped with child support because "it's in the best interests o the child." This has even happened when it was an underage boy who had been raped. And men can't take a morning after pill or an abortion to escape 18 years of slavery. Don't try to act like men don't also hav…
/r/MensRights05/07/24 03:20 PM
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Misattributed paternity is sometimes referred to as paternity fraud, a term that suggests that the mother (and possibly her lover) knew about the true paternity and deceived the man for financial gain. MRAs have long distinguished between "paternity fraud" and "wrongful paternity." In the first case the mother knew and intentionally committed fraud, in the second case it was an honest mistake. Why is the author ignoring this and acting like both are always considered "paternity fraud?" Is it to …
/r/MensRights17/06/24 02:55 PM
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These feminists act like it's men exclusively who have made the point that men are more capable than women in things like combat. As if men fabricated this lie of male superiority and were willing to hurt men in order to maintain it. No, it's the exact opposite, male expendability wasn't created to perpetuate male superiority, male superiority was pushed to justify male expendability, and women are just as culpable as men. We know this because even now when women want to be respected for their a…
/r/MensRights15/06/24 01:55 PM
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If we are opening it up to the world, obviously we have entire countries where women can’t drive, show their face, etc. I wasn't opening it up to the world, my point wasn't "men may not be subject to conscription in the US but they are elsewhere." My point was that men are in fact still required to register, the last US draft wasn't long ago, and conscription still happens currently in other places that are at war, so there is no reason to think that men in the US aren't at risk of being conscri…
/r/MensRights09/06/24 08:05 PM
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Is this the same country that also said that men can be victims of "violence against women and girls?" As in, if a man is victimized it will still be reported in a way that inflates the number of female victims and minimizes the number of male victims?
/r/MensRights05/06/24 12:34 PM
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Let's just ignore that women commit domestic violence at the same rate at men. Let's pretend to be as ignorant as these retards. Fine, some men are violent, and really just men, and we can agree that this is bad. But it's clearly not most men, most men use their strength, passion, ambition, intelligence, determination, and abilities for good. Are these people really so sure that they can change men's behavior in such a way that they eliminate the bad parts of men without also eliminating or impa…
/r/MensRights29/05/24 01:03 AM
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Here it is.
/r/MensRights27/05/24 02:13 PM
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The following are some legal rights that men do not have that MRAs frequently discuss: Protections from non-consensual circumcision Men are uniquely subject to the draft The right to not be arrested for being a victim of domestic violence Predominant aggressor policies inspired by the Duluth Model require that when called to respond to cases of domestic violence, police must arrest the "predominant aggressor," which doesn't mean the partner who started or escalated the violence, but rather, the …
/r/MensRights26/05/24 09:16 PM
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"Men lack social skills." What? I simply don't buy that. The issue isn't men's abilities, it's that men (at least straight men) are in a uniquely challenging social situation. Why is it that men have to approach women and not the other way around? Well the way Karen Straughan put it, female sexuality is more valuable than male sexuality. Female sexuality is the limiting factor in reproduction, 9 months of pregnancy, limited supply of eggs, the health risks of pregnancy, and the valuable "real es…
/r/MensRights26/05/24 04:14 PM
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We need to focus on that 5% gap that Wikipedia claims to exist after controlling for a host of relevant variables. They provided three sources that supposedly back up this claim. 1. An article on SHRM This article does state: Significant pay gaps persist between men and women around the world, even after adjusting for worker and job characteristics. The adjusted pay gap ranges from a high of 6.6 percent in the Netherlands to 3.1 percent in Australia. They reference a 2019 paper from Glassdoor ca…
/r/MensRights24/05/24 03:10 PM
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That's the Duluth Model for you.
/r/MensRights24/05/24 03:09 PM
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You know, in this entire debacle, not once have I encountered a woman who said "I'm a woman, you people picking the bear are blatantly motivated by hate." Sure, some women pick the man, but I simply haven't seen any women going beyond that to actually defend men from the women using this as a way to attack men. I'm not saying there aren't women out there doing that, I haven't personally consulted every woman obviously. I am, however, disappointed, though not surprised, at seeing women fail to st…
/r/MensRights22/05/24 10:12 PM
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The draft hasn't been enacted IN THE US. However there is currently a draft in Ukraine, Israel, Russia, South Korea, Switzerland, Austria, Belarus, and others. Even in the US, men are still required to register with Selective Service. so it is less enforced that our social constructs of women taking on the responsibility for domestic work and child rearing. It's really not though, those things are not enforced much at all. As I pointed out, most women have careers and an education. Those are act…
/r/MensRights21/05/24 03:25 AM
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And both sides have valid points. The MRA with the draft, and the feminists with domestic labor/child rearing splits. The draft is legislated. It's an actual law requiring all men to register when they turn 18. What that means is that it's objectively real. Where's the law demanding domestic labor or child rearing from women? Is it even socially enforced? The answer is no, women can and do have careers and educations. These aren't equally valid issues, one is real and one isn't. But let's just a…
/r/MensRights20/05/24 10:19 PM
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Men's rights activists are supposed to promote equality. We shouldn't be influenced by an online group whose purpose is meant to promote anti-feminism. But MRAs are anti-feminist. We're quite explicit about that, it's no secret. I've met many anti-feminists who weren't MRAs, but I don't think I've ever seen an MRA who wasn't anti-feminist. I don't tend to take accusations of misogyny very seriously, especially from somewhere as unserious as Wikipedia.
/r/MensRights16/05/24 09:51 PM
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The following are some legal rights that men do not have that MRAs frequently discuss: Protections from non-consensual circumcision Men are uniquely subject to the draft The right to not be arrested for being a victim of domestic violence Predominant aggressor policies inspired by the Duluth Model require that when called to respond to cases of domestic violence, police must arrest the "predominant aggressor," which doesn't mean the partner who started or escalated the violence, but rather, the …
/r/MensRights10/05/24 01:35 AM
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The person who cited "Marry Cross" was OP. Honestly not an impressive exchange on any side.
/r/MensRights08/05/24 11:32 PM
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Dang, you're throwing me some softballs. What about in cases where if the fetus isn’t aborted then the woman will die? In your eyes that will be two people dead instead of one. I'm fine with abortion when done out of medical necessity. Thankfully it's very rare that it's actually needed. What about miscarriages? Is that manslaughter? No, don't be stupid. There is not mens rea in miscarriage, nor is any negligence required, there isn't even really actus rea. Abortion does help men in instances wh…
/r/MensRights05/05/24 04:44 AM
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"Forced to give birth" is such a clumsy understanding of the situation. I actually don't care if the mother gives birth. She can try to hold it in for all I care, just don't kill the kid. Also, while I am an MRA, I don't just oppose child support no matter the form it takes, what I don't support is excessive child support, excessive punishments for failure to pay, requiring child support of men who aren't even the fathers, and other abuses of the system. I also don't support the current state of…
/r/MensRights05/05/24 04:26 AM
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I agree with you, I am pro-life wholeheartedly, but I don't see it as a men's rights issue. Abortion definitely sucks for fathers who's children are murdered, but those fathers do get to live. The primary victim is the child, so I consider abortion to be about murder and the life of innocent children first and foremost. I don't know that this post belongs here.
/r/MensRights04/05/24 11:10 PM
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Oklahoma Statutes Title 40. Labor §40-198.1. "It shall be unlawful for any employer within the State of Oklahoma to willfully pay wages to women employees at a rate less than the rate at which he pays any employee of the opposite sex for comparable work on jobs which have comparable requirements relating to skill, effort and responsibility, except where such payment is made pursuant to a seniority system; a merit system; a system which measures earnings by quantity or quality of production; or a…
/r/MensRights29/04/24 09:57 PM
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Re-kindling masculinity This narrative isn’t about returning to unhealthy old school habits. It’s about keeping the good stuff, while chucking out the bad. It sees men rejecting the outmoded sexism, Are they suggesting that sexism was a trait of masculinity? Well, that would be retarded, I'd like to see them defend that little assertion. Re-thinking masculinity This narrative incorporates traditionally feminine traits and concepts, to create a looser and far more inclusive definition of masculin…
/r/MensRights29/04/24 04:37 AM
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There are, in fact, laws in the US that discriminated based on sex. That's why only men are subject to the draft. That's why some states, including my own, have passed legislation imposing fines for pay discrimination against women specifically. There is no requirement for gender neutral legislation in the US. There had been an effort to make this a requirement by passing the Equal Rights Amendment, which would have amended the US Constitution. It failed because there was concern that women woul…
/r/MensRights29/04/24 04:24 AM
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Based on the standard that the other vice presidents in living memory have all been able to put a coherent sentence together, rather than just waffle about "the meaningfulness of the passage of time," or how great venn diagrams are. Nothing interesting comes out of her mouth, it's all just her best impersonation of what she thinks a smart person sounds like. Sure, Biden is a bit incoherent at times too these days, but that's just the dementia talking. If you watch any videos of him from when he …
/r/MensRights25/04/24 11:41 AM
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I voted for Trump twice. Ill be voting for him again. He's not my ideal candidate, but under the circumstances it's not a difficult choice for me. In terms of men's rights, Trump might not be the best, he's certainly no MRA. But Biden is an absolute train wreck. We have Biden to thank for the gendered Violence Against Women Act, as well as the erosion of due process rights for male students. Biden has very publicly spread lies about matters such as the wage gap and domestic violence, stating fal…
/r/MensRights25/04/24 02:59 AM
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Presumably not the one who picked the single most incompetent vice president in all of US history because she fulfilled his promise to chose a black woman.
/r/MensRights25/04/24 02:53 AM
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Beds are too short and mirrors are too low for me to be convinced that our world is built for men.
/r/MensRights22/04/24 10:31 PM
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The rational part of me is well aware that generalizations are exaggerations, not always arbitrary, also not often justified. The emotional part of me has become increasingly irritated by women in general. I, like everyone else, find people who I perceive to be wrong about things to be irritating. In my estimation, it is wrong to say that men are privileged over women. It is wrong to say that women are the ultimate victims of bigotry, that women are victims of systemic male violence, and it is w…
/r/MensRights22/04/24 10:15 PM
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The average man and woman in the Western world both have a similar and relatively high standard of living (by global historical reckoning) and have achieved equality under the law.2 Based on that little end note, it's clear you understand what our response is. We don't have equality in the law, and I'd point to conscription and circumcision as examples, as you expected. If you knew how we'd counter your assertion, why did you say it? If you know we don't have equality under the law, why wrongly …
/r/MensRights22/04/24 12:57 PM
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human personnel often served only as a “rubber stamp” for the machine’s decisions, adding that, normally, they would personally devote only about “20 seconds” to each target before authorizing a bombing — just to make sure the Lavender-marked target is male. This was despite knowing that the system makes what are regarded as “errors” in approximately 10 percent of cases, and is known to occasionally mark individuals who have merely a loose connection to militant groups, or no connection at all. …
/r/MensRights10/04/24 12:15 PM
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women’s issues(reproductive rights, equality in the workplace, safety). I guess I'm going to engage in some of that "whataboutism" you like to accuse us of. What do you mean safety is a women's issue? Women are objectively safer from violence than men. They're even safer from violence than children. How is this a woman's issue? We know what feminists are doing when they call things like safety (or workplace equality for that matter) a "women's issue." What feminists like to do is present statist…
/r/MensRights07/04/24 02:27 PM
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There are men who genuinely and wholeheartedly care about men and their issues, because they’re men, Feminists seem to have a complete inability to understand this, but men do not think like women, and are note prone to caring about men's rights or men's interests simply because they themselves are male. Women do have an in-group bias that makes them predisposed to caring about other women, but men don't have such an in-group bias. Men actually have an out-group bias. This is why it's so infuria…
/r/MensRights07/04/24 02:16 PM
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Thank you for your measured reply! I’m not arguing that you’re wrong to blame feminism, or at least elements of the feminist movement. Agreed, It's usually not the everyday, casual feminists you'd meet on the street who simply believe men and women should be equal who are the problem. I my think these people have been horrifically misinformed about certain realities (how many that men are almost half of abuse victims?), but most aren't deliberately hateful or hostile towards men. It's the femini…
/r/MensRights06/04/24 10:43 AM
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Important thing to point out, it is true that today women are more likely to be killed by female partners than men are to be killed by female partners, at a ratio of about 2 to 1. However in the 60s it was more like 1 to 1. What changed? Well the number of both have gone down significantly since the 60s, but the number of men being killed by their female partners has gone down even more dramatically. This is because after the 60s we created shelters for women. In most instances of DV, both partn…
/r/MensRights05/04/24 05:49 PM
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I have been reading this sub for a while. Many of the posts here are perfectly valid, relevant and fair. Yet so many others seem generally irrelevant, and more interested in pointing the finger at women than contributing to general awareness about boys’ and men’s experiences. Fair, and as a steadfast MRA I've often had the same complaints, especially in recent years as MGTOW and PUA subs have been banned and their followers flocked here. I'd caution against holding this against MRAs or the Men's…
/r/MensRights05/04/24 04:52 AM
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Nice try, but I'm an MRA and I'm pro-life. Let's assume that abortion is beneficial to men, and that men will be much worse off without it. I don't care, I still think abortion is murder and must be stopped. I genuinely love men, as both a gay man and a proud MRA. There are probably few things in the world I love more than men, but one of those things is justice. Men's Rights, to me, has always been about justice for men, not about giving men everything they could ever want. I'm not willing to p…
/r/MensRights02/04/24 05:07 PM
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This goes back to the feminist adoption of Marxist Standpoint Theory. For those unfamiliar with standpoint theory, it argues that the oppressed and the oppressors each have their own narratives about the world, their own standpoints. However, the world operates based on the decree of the oppressors rather than the oppressed, and thus the narratives of the oppressors reign supreme. In order to function in a world operating under the assumptions of the oppressor's narrative, the oppressed must bec…
/r/MensRights02/04/24 04:54 PM
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights27/03/24 12:46 AM
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I don't think 61% of women consciously think "I hate men," I think 90% of women think "men are awful, particularly to women." I think that characterization is unfair to men, I think it is bigotry, and as it targets men it is labeled "misandry."
/r/MensRights25/03/24 07:02 PM
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I can already see where this is going. We'll point to examples of feminist misandry and you'll say that they aren't "real feminists," because to you feminism is about equality. In response, I'm going to yet again post the infamous quote by Karen Straughan: So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public…
/r/MensRights25/03/24 06:59 PM
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The idea of a "high value man" is very much from the pickup artist community, not the men's rights movement. You don't want to hear "don't worry about it?" Well then you came to the wrong place. Part of what we advocate is that men shouldn't have to elevate themselves to be valued for their inherent humanity, that men are people who deserve a base level of dignity, that men should not be deemed to be disposable simply because of their gender, as so regularly occurs. "But I'm not talking about ma…
/r/MensRights25/03/24 12:27 AM
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Reddit screwed me on the formatting after I hit the reply button. The bit about hypergamy and the bit about how the Democrats done did it were quotes from the replies to the original tweet. I had put them in quote blocks but Reddit decided I didn't mean to do that I guess. Yeah, they're stupid, for the exact reasons you explained. Thanks Reddit for making me look like an idiot!
/r/MensRights20/03/24 04:55 AM
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The comments are not fun. Just in the moment they are growing from boyhood to manhood the individuals described are told to cut off their genitals, date other boys who have cut off their genitals, and something is wrong with them if they won’t do that. Weed and video games don’t push similar bulls#!t and in fact don’t give you a hard time at all ​ I'll answer... The problem is Hypergamy. Woman now have access to all the same high value men. (smart phone - dating apps) The rest of these unlucky d…
/r/MensRights20/03/24 03:43 AM
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Was that meant to reinforce your initial statement? Gay men have it harder therefore I hate myself or something? I don't actually agree that gay men always have it harder than straight men. I think that life is harder for gay men when they are younger, certainly, and depending on the individual's circumstances the difficulty may continue for the rest of his life, but I think most gay men reach a point where their life is actually easier than their straight counterparts. My adolescence was quite …
/r/MensRights16/03/24 06:53 PM
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Thanks for the well-informed diagnosis.
/r/MensRights16/03/24 03:52 PM
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Apparently people are misunderstanding what I meant. When I said : Being gay might mean I'm going to hell, but being straight would mean I was victimizing women with my eyes, as if they would be ruined merely by associating with me. I didn't mean that I currently think that. I don't actually think being gay means I'm going to hell, whether or not hell exists. I don't actually think that had I simply been straight that my sexuality would have victimized women simply by existing. These are things …
/r/MensRights16/03/24 03:16 PM
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I HAD internalized homophobia. I thought I made that clear. Believe it or not, most gay people do when they are very young.
/r/MensRights16/03/24 03:11 PM
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I'm a gay man who has many times been mistaken for straight, and I can say from personal experience that there's a big difference between how people treat gay men and straight men. As far as how people treat gay men, it's typically supportive, even where I live in the reddest state. But even when it's not, it has always been some straight person who assumed they were in the company of other like-minded straight people, I've never been shamed for my sexuality to my face, always behind my back, or…
/r/MensRights16/03/24 12:15 AM
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I guess I have a mirrored version of this. At one point I considered myself a conservative, I still do in some ways. I've always disagreed with the stereotypical conservative positions on things like gay marriage or the war on drugs, but I was, and really still am on the right. I'm very pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, support reduced government spending (not that any elected Republicans feel the same way). But the right has repeatedly disappointed me when it comes to their misandry. I was pe…
/r/MensRights14/03/24 11:21 PM
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this sub cheers to the idea that ALL women are gaslighters. This seems a bit disingenuous considering that in the link you provided, a mod said he'd be happy to remove the post and ban the poster. I assume this had already been done, otherwise you'd have linked to the post instead of a screenshot of the post. The other comments seemed to mostly agree that the post was in bad taste. In general through I get your point. As others have pointed out, the MRM on Reddit has changed as other subreddits …
/r/MensRights12/03/24 12:38 PM
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So many hateful people on there, especially a lot of women. Such a weird thing to express your hate over too, it's not like it's a political story. I guess when you're just that full of misandry you'll splatter it all over the place.
/r/MensRights01/03/24 11:18 PM
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I'm sorry, what does this have to do with men's rights?
/r/MensRights20/02/24 11:38 PM
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I think there's some truth to what you are saying, however I think there is also genuine disagreement between us MRAs and feminists, particularly about this point: the vast majority of feminists are still under the impression that feminism is how it is back in the 1970s when it as about true equality, I don't think feminism in the 1970s, or even 1950, or even 1920s was ever about true equality. I think from the beginning, feminism was about identifying men as oppressors of women, and I don't thi…
/r/MensRights18/02/24 05:58 PM
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I will say that I don't think the authors of the paper are incompetent. A mistake of this magnitude would require such incompetence that they wouldn't be able to put a paper together at all. This was clearly malicious. They knew their methodological flaws, and they published the paper anyway. What's terrifying is that this is one of the most commonly cited paper by feminists about the wage gaps. It's been cited by legislators (which is how I found out about it), it's cited by the Wikipedia page …
/r/MensRights14/02/24 11:51 AM
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This is honestly what I've come to expect from grievance studies academics, really just most academics in general. Here's a paper from the American Association of University Women about the wage gap. It claims that even after controlling for hours worked, occupation, experience, etc. it still finds a 7% "unexplained" wage gap that they attribute to discrimination against women. The problem is that it grouped everyone into only 12 broad occupational categories. TWELVE. One of these was "other whi…
/r/MensRights14/02/24 03:16 AM
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I don't think men are actually moving right by any objective measure, it's just that the Left is moving even further left, leaving men behind so that now, the same views that would have been considered left even 10 years ago are labeled "right-wing."
/r/MensRights10/02/24 03:21 AM
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Honestly, I could ignore the initial error. People make innocent mistakes sometimes, and it wouldn't be the first time someone misunderstood a statistic, especially one written in another language. It may be their job to actually get their facts straight, but I wouldn't fault them for an innocent error. But the failure to issue an appropriate correction is not a mere mistake, it's malicious, and there is no excuse.
/r/MensRights10/02/24 12:58 AM
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The "correction" by the Atlantic is shameful and infuriating. Just admit you screwed up the actual content of the study, and not just the source. My word these people are evil.
/r/MensRights09/02/24 01:58 PM
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I do aspire to a sort of equality, depending on how equality is defined. I may think differently from most MRAs, but as an example, I would be fine with a male-only draft if the unique obligation placed on men was balanced by some advantage. When I say I want equality, I mean I want an equal balance of rights and responsibilities. In some cases, it's just not practical to have equal rights, or equal responsibilities, because men and women have different capacities to perform some responsibilitie…
/r/MensRights08/02/24 04:21 AM
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Masculinity is the attribute that describes the general characteristics of men, particularly in contrast to women. For example, men generally have deeper voices, are taller, a bit more object-focused, more accepting of risk, are stronger, and have more angular features. As such, deeper voices are masculine, risk-taking behavior is more masculine, strength is masculine, you get the idea. Many things that are general characteristics of men are biologically ingrained, such as all the ones I listed …
/r/MensRights04/02/24 02:25 AM
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Unlike every other woman that has run for President I can think of, she hasn't said anything (that I'm aware of) that basically boils down to just straight, unadulterated misandry. Let's get that over with then: "If you want something said, ask a man; If you want something done, ask a woman." - Nikki Haley, 2023
/r/MensRights01/02/24 12:41 AM
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I can personally confirm that Left is now even done with gay men (except drag queens), they see us as "the straight white men of the LGBTSTDQIA community." Also, the Left still very much sees men as the enemy even during election time.
/r/MensRights01/02/24 12:32 AM
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The Left has been starting to realize that they are losing male support to people like Andrew Tate, since Tate at least speaks to men whereas the left has ignored men at best and vilified them at worst. The Left is apparently only just now starting to realize that this might cost them some voters, I guess they somehow didn't expect it. As a result, there's been an increase in leftists talking about how to gain back some of that male support. The problem is that transparently self-interested moti…
/r/MensRights01/02/24 12:27 AM
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I don't know if I'd go that far. The worst I can say about feminists is that they will gladly tear society apart to justify their sense of entitlement. While the Nazis committed actual genocide feminists only theorize about committing genocide.
/r/MensRights28/01/24 03:12 AM
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Yeah, you're just wrong about this. Men are over twice as likely to be assaulted BY STRANGERS than women are. Women are actually the safest demographic, even children are at greater risk of being assaulted. Here's a source from the US. Department of Justice. It reads: In 2010, males experienced violent victimizations by strangers at nearly twice the rate of females (figure 2). The rate of violence against males by strangers was 9.5 victimizations per 1,000 males in 2010 compared to 4.7 victimiza…
/r/MensRights27/01/24 02:21 AM
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I don't know about the timing or any details, I'm not Korean, so grains of salt and all that. My understanding is that men used to be able to use their years of conscription to count towards things like university credits and work experience, but feminists raised a stink because they saw it as men coming into universities and the workforce with unfair advantages, so they fought to prevent men from doing so. Obviously this is retarded, allowing men to leverage their experience during conscription…
/r/MensRights27/01/24 01:36 AM
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I actually don't see how this would change anything. Isn't this basically already law? I a woman gets pregnant she has the option to seek child support from the man, what is Vivek proposing that isn't already enforced? Is it just that he would make it federal legislation? I guess it depends on what he means by "fully." I want to assume he doesn't actually mean "fully," as in he would owe so much in child support that she can literally just live entirely off of him. That would be beyond asinine a…
/r/MensRights26/01/24 11:49 PM
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Well this is a subreddit, laws are not passed on internet forums. What do you expect us to actually do here aside from ranting or rambling or whatever you call it? Also, just because we are powerless doesn't mean we are without purpose. You're basically just telling us to shut up, because no one is listening to us. Well no one will listen to us if we say nothing for the to hear, and you haven't presented a case that there is nothing worth saying about the need for men's rights. Why don't you go …
/r/MensRights24/01/24 01:35 PM
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For one thing, raising kids is not a full-time job for 20 years. Maybe for a couple years, but no 14 year old wants constant parental supervision. If a mother has left work for 20 years, it wasn't for the kids. Also, she wasn't staying home so that he could go to work, if anything it was the other way around. He sacrifices his time so that she could stay home, how does that entitle her to rely on him financially after the marriage ends?
/r/MensRights23/01/24 04:51 AM
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Two can play that game. Can you name 1 country where women are conscripted but men are not? Can you name 1 country where men are protected from non-consensual genital mutilation but where women are not? Can you name 1 country where the law defines rape as female perpetrated? Can you name 1 country that incarcerates women with roughly 60% longer sentences for the same crime as a man? Can you name 1 country where women are denied aid and services for DV victims but where numerous such services exi…
/r/MensRights17/01/24 06:02 PM
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This has been a big concern of mine for a long time, I would not put it past either the US or Chinese government to try to eliminate men deliberately by starting a war. This is but one reason why women need to be made subject to the draft, it would make a draft more difficult to sell to the public and thus protect young men.
/r/MensRights17/01/24 04:13 AM
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Her fear doesn't prove what she thinks it does. She thinks her emotions beyond scrutiny, so if she's afraid, it really just reveals her paranoia. Of course the reality is that she's exaggerating her fear to use as a weapon against men.
/r/MensRights11/01/24 01:15 PM
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I don't entirely disagree with the general mindset, but women are not the primary victims of misandry or feminism. I get the sense that many of us try to meet people where they are, and where people are is a narrow focus on the needs of women, so appealing to that may work as a short term solution. But some times people need to be told to move, that they shouldn't be met where they are. People need to learn to expand their focus to include the needs of men. If we can't even focus for a minute on…
/r/MensRights07/01/24 01:26 AM
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Even given the context, I still don't find her comments justified.
/r/MensRights04/01/24 01:48 PM
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There are indeed. I'm one of them!
/r/MensRights04/01/24 11:34 AM
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That's not what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about feeling desperate, or depressed, or hopeless. I didn't talk about that specifically because I haven't experienced it and I have no useful insights into that situation, I don't know how to talk people out of it, certainly not on a reddit post. My post wasn't about suicide generally, or the emotional component that leads to it, it was specifically about calculated attempts to leverage suicide to force political change. I don't think the MRM …
/r/MensRights02/01/24 11:06 PM
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Can someone explain what this has to do with men's rights? Anyone?
/r/MensRights31/12/23 01:03 AM
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I love the Honey Badgers! Obviously Karen is the one who first introduced me to them, but I really got hooked from watching Dr. Randomercam (Mike Stevenson), and then I stayed for Allison and Hannah. Such lovely people! One of the most important things I learned from the Honey Badgers was to not be afraid to embrace a male-focused perspective. I think anti-feminists often have a problem with this. For example, they might be talking about false rape allegations, and they'll say something like "fa…
/r/MensRights27/12/23 06:33 AM
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Abortion bans are not comparable to conscription, nor are they oppression of women. I don't like the idea of a childless tax, but I'm not sure I'd stretch as far as to call it "oppression," and as you pointed out it doesn't target women particularly. Keep in mind, the comment you were replying to was about sexist oppression of men, and your response was apparently "well men may be uniquely oppressed, but some forms of oppression apply equally to men and women, therefore men and women are oppress…
/r/MensRights26/12/23 09:05 PM
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my sister has to go through a lot of hoops I don’t have to to ensure she gets home safely. As a man you are more likely to be assaulted by a stranger than her. It's not even close. Women are literally the safest demographic, even children are more likely to be the victim of a violent crime than women are. It becomes “all men” because she doesn’t know which of the 40 at the bar is that one who follows her home. Try applying this to anyone else and it becomes "profiling." Black people are more lik…
/r/MensRights24/12/23 07:11 PM
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It's like this every year. It did the same thing to r/antifeminists back when I was more active there. I don't see the point, why censor the men's rights subreddit from people who are already active on the sub? I don't get the logic.
/r/MensRights24/12/23 04:05 AM
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Is "not all men" really a useful slogan if it conveys an incorrect message? I'm not talking about slogans, I'm talking about arguments.
/r/MensRights22/12/23 01:42 PM
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Well in this post we are talking about committing violent crime, ruling the world, and being a billionaire.
/r/MensRights20/12/23 05:21 PM
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I don't like "not all men." It concedes too much. I prefer "not most men," or even "almost no men."
/r/MensRights20/12/23 04:37 PM
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Gov wants women as soldier makes. Men as the soldiers Both genders are oppressed, just in ways that benefit gov. the most. I don't think that's true. The government conscripts men to fight wars, but it doesn't "conscript" women to give birth. I wouldn't use government enforced slavery as an example of how both men and women are oppressed, this is something that uniquely affects men.
/r/MensRights20/12/23 12:09 AM
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Literally every positive male trait can have a dark side. True, but this can easily be expanded to say that literally every positive human trait can have a dark side. I argued in my own comment: literally any human trait can be so corrupted. I do actually mean any trait, without exception. Ambition, confidence, innocence, kindness, generosity, intelligence, strength, femininity, gentleness, etc. So why is it that we've singled out masculinity and qualified it with the word "toxic?" No "toxic amb…
/r/MensRights19/12/23 04:24 PM
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My understanding of the term is that it was originally not intended to refer to all masculinity. It was meant to refer to when masculinity becomes corrupted into something toxic. For example, strength is a masculine trait, but when cruelty and violence is mistaken for strength then it becomes toxic masculinity. With that in mind, I have two problems with the term. Sure, it's true that masculinity can be corrupted and lead to toxic behavior, but literally any human trait can be so corrupted. I do…
/r/MensRights19/12/23 04:19 PM
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I don't think you understand why we post stories or articles about women doing screwed up things. It's not because we want to show that women are awful and deserve contempt, it's to refute the mainstream perception that doing screwed up things lies in the male domain. For example, there's a strong bias against men working in schools, especially as teachers. The common rationale is that men just can't be trusted around kids, so we need to leave that roe to women. This deprives kids, crucially boy…
/r/MensRights15/12/23 01:31 PM
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He/she isn't a misandrist, he/she just believes a series of things that would justify a nasty hatred of men despite the mountain of contrary evidence. If someone believes that men are awful enough to inflict that whole list of evils on women, why wouldn't they hate men? Are they just so gentle and enlightened that forgiveness comes easy to them and they can love their evil oppressors? I'm sure such a person doesn't consciously think "I hate men." They just think that men are so awful as to invit…
/r/MensRights13/12/23 11:58 AM
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Darling, are you quite alright?
/r/MensRights08/12/23 03:43 AM
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Mid 20s, architecture
/r/MensRights03/12/23 12:24 AM
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There is so much that is messed up about this, but aside from the obvious I also have concerns that this is going to lead to terrorists like Hamas mutilating men's bodies specifically to prevent sperm extraction. Maybe these people shouldn't be publicizing this so much, and also don't extract men's sperm without their consent, even after they've been brutally murdered. Do I really have to say that?
/r/MensRights02/12/23 02:30 AM
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My recommendation is to look at sources used by feminists to claim that there is a discriminatory wage gap. I've read many of these studies (multiple times) and have found that they have a tendency to manipulate their methodologies to arrive at the desired conclusion. Their actual data discredits their conclusions, but it's fascinating to see how manipulative they are and the lengths they will go to. Why use our own studies to discredit the wage gap when we can just use the studies created by fe…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 11:43 PM
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There was not even a case for it in 1972. The reason there were more men attending university at the time was in large part because of the G.I. Bill, which provided funds to veterans that could be used towards higher education. Men were still being conscripted in 1972, the discrimination that led to a higher proportion of men in university was not a case of discrimination against women, it was actually a feeble attempt to repay men (the ones who survived to complete their service) for the burden…
/r/MensRights01/12/23 12:38 PM
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More likely it would be a transfer to an artificial womb. And trust me, it may not be uncomfortable talking about it on the internet, but if you ever have a man actually in front of you who is devastated by the impending murder of his child, unable to hold back desperate, ugly tears and crushed by his inability to save his unborn child, you won't feel so comfortable. Your only way out of this is to just assume that men aren't capable of such emotion of a child that isn't even born yet, but men m…
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:49 PM
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This is the easy part of being pro-life, I don't really care about the father's rights in this situation because I don't think the mother should be able to kill the child either way. It does put pro-choicers in an uncomfortable situation though. Imagine having to say that a father should just have to allow his child to be murdered, and there's nothing he can do about it. Sick.
/r/MensRights28/11/23 01:08 AM
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Also, I should add that domestic violence is a really dumb issue for them to claim that we don't actually care about male victims. Often this accusation of derailment is about something like online harassment. For example, a feminist will launch a campaign to end online harassments of women. What they are actually arguing isn't just that harassment of women online needs to stop, they are actually arguing that women face more online harassment than men, that online harassment is a gendered issue,…
/r/MensRights26/11/23 05:57 PM
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​ I'm not sure of the full context, but usually it's something like this: "This many women are killed by their male partner, domestic violence is a big issue." By highlighting female victims, their real argument isn't just that it's a big issue, but that it's a gendered issue, it's an accusation against men, an argument that men are uniquely or disproportionately likely to be perpetrators and women are disproportionately victims. In this context, how else is anyone familiar with the full story s…
/r/MensRights26/11/23 05:42 PM
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More of the same 'but economy is different from social because one is numbers and the other is people'. No, I never said that, because I'm not an idiot who thinks the economy is just "numbers." What I will contend is that human nature is human nature, and you aren't going to fundamentally change human nature by changing economic models. Male disposability existed before capitalism, it has existed under socialism, communism, feudalism, ect. You can change incentive structures all you like to enco…
/r/MensRights25/11/23 08:24 PM
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Yeah, it's a big problem for Israel, and a huge advantage for Hamas. I'd assume it isn't possible for Hamas to relocate all of their equipment fast enough, but it definitely puts Israel in a tough position, which is why Hamas does it even though it's a war crime.
/r/MensRights24/11/23 04:10 PM
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Easy, they locate their headquarters under places like hospitals and schools. "Oh, you want to bomb our military base? You'll have to mow down a bunch of injured civilians first." Israel sends warning beforehand by stating which targets they are about to bomb and urging civilians to evacuate, and then Hamas tells them to stay. If you're a civilian and the enemy army is telling you to go somewhere and your own army is saying otherwise, who do you listen to?
/r/MensRights23/11/23 06:35 PM
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Who cares about the male victims of Hamas? Men are the appropriate targets of violence. It's like it never happened, because we don't care about it.
/r/MensRights23/11/23 04:23 PM
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Israel isn't just randomly killing everyone though, Hamas uses civilians as human shields.
/r/MensRights23/11/23 04:19 PM
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But Israel is one of the few countries that also conscripts women. Why are we conflating women with innocent people who deserve to live and men with combatants who apparently don't deserve to live?
/r/MensRights23/11/23 04:18 PM
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Does that include Israel, one of the few countries that also conscript women?
/r/MensRights23/11/23 04:15 PM
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Everybody is an object under capitalism. We’re all just pawns to the people playing the war game. There's so much wrong with this, oh where to begin. First of all, clearly not all of us are just pawns to the people playing the war game, that's the entire point. It seems to be exclusively men who have their humanity erased so that they can be treated like expendable pawns, in fact that's been going on for thousands of years, which I would note predates capitalism. You really think male disposabil…
/r/MensRights23/11/23 04:14 PM
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The quote I was responding to was as follows: I believe a mothers duty is to the children whereas a fathers duty is to the whole family. I already stated my point of contention with this. Now the position you seem to be defending is something to the effect of: "My wife's duty is to the whole family and my duty is also to the whole family but in a different way and I'm not making any statements about mothers and fathers more broadly, just about my own circumstances." I have no problem with your l…
/r/MensRights23/11/23 04:03 PM
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In a vacuum I wouldn't take any issue with this. Many if not most men seem to hold this position, and it used to be practically universal, and it was publicly counted among men's merits. But that's not the world we live in today, men's sacrifice will not be rewarded nor recognized, worse it will be denied and men will be accused of oppression. It's not that I'm upset that men don't get a cookie for acting by the ideals you hold, I'd settle for society just treating men neutrally. It's the blatan…
/r/MensRights23/11/23 02:55 PM
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That's actually wholesome and wonderful. It's a shame that women don't seem to be equally willing to do the same for their husbands.
/r/MensRights22/11/23 12:10 PM
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it wasn’t too long ago that women couldn’t do quite a few important things per the law Care to be specific?
/r/MensRights17/11/23 12:49 PM
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lol. Emphasis on "if I wanted my life to be as easy and pain free as possible." Though being trans comes with its own set of challenges that probably negate any of the advantages of being a woman.
/r/MensRights16/11/23 01:00 PM
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You don't think the men will also be tortured and likely raped? I actually don't understand why rape is considered the worst thing you could do to a human, I'll always consider a violent death to be far worse. Okay I lied, I know the reason, it's because we've apparently decided against the evidence that rape is a crime against women, and we always consider women to be more sensitive to injustice than men. That's why Clinton said "women have always been the primary victims of war, women lose the…
/r/MensRights16/11/23 12:43 PM
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I think he's talking about net advantages at any given period in time. Obviously is particular instances being male can be advantageous, such as if you are one of the 0.0000000000001% of the population that gets to be president. But in general, I wouldn't want to be the average male at any period in time if I wanted my life to be as easy and pain free as possible. We've had 46 male presidents in US history, but 1,349 men died in the sinking of the titanic (only 110 women dies) and about 407,300 …
/r/MensRights16/11/23 12:31 PM
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The most "misogynistic" thing I've ever heard another guys say to me in a male friend group was "you're lucky you're gay," and it was really just a joke. I've also been in groups of women and they openly express their contempt for men, and for some reason they assume that because I'm gay I will just agree with them or that I won't feel even a little insulted, I guess because I'm not actually a man or something. I'm thoroughly convinced that most women hate men and then project their own bigotry …
/r/MensRights13/11/23 12:49 PM
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Did you read the post? Are just supposed to take it at face value that the advertisements were actually meant to "stop sexual assault" by spreading lies about men? Just because you're lying "for a good cause" doesn't mean it's justified when you ignore that there are victims of your lies.
/r/MensRights11/11/23 12:25 AM
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That made so much sense and was revolting to read.
/r/MensRights11/11/23 12:23 AM
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"I'm not a bigot, it's just that men deserve to be hated because of the way that they are."
/r/MensRights11/11/23 12:20 AM
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Blowing up the numbers only makes men look bad even if it does make people care more. Men aren't collateral damage, men are the intended targets. They aren't genuinely trying to help "victims of assault," other wise they would have mentioned the male "victims" of the same type of "assault." The point was always to slander men to justify widespread misandry.
/r/MensRights10/11/23 12:55 PM
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"Feminists don't hate men." Then why do they do this? What could possibly be the reason to lie about these studies? The result is obvious, it casts men in a very negative light that would likely make a lot of people distrust or even despise men. So did these feminists not realize that would be the effect of their lies? Did they think their lies were true, and if so how? They had the study in front of them, did they not stop and think "this is shocking if true, maybe I should read a little bit to…
/r/MensRights10/11/23 12:53 PM
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Men allowed it, but women did it without invitation. Women may want to deny it, but they have agency, and they bear responsibility (at least in a sane world).
/r/MensRights06/11/23 11:02 PM
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This is why I've been black pilled. How can gender relations possibly survive such toxicity, especially when all of it is based on lies? How can society not be ripped apart if gender relations go out the window? Society deserves to collapse, but men and boys do not deserve to face such calamity.
/r/MensRights03/11/23 11:19 AM
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It is a tired old stereotype that women are more gossipy or whatever. Really? That stereotype has seemed to play out consistently in my experience. Sure, that's only anecdotal, but I'm quite inclined to think there's some truth to it. Just because a stereotype about women is kinda negative doesn't mean it's untrue.
/r/MensRights01/11/23 01:28 AM
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Let's do a content analysis of all the recent posts on this sub. Denmark: Equality Minister: Men must also have the right to come to the shelter The government is planning to equate battered men with battered women. I got yelled at by a stranger for "manspreading" "Deirdre Domingo, of Scottish Women’s Rights Organisations, told the inquiry that the idea that the pandemic affected everyone equally should be “firmly dispelled”. She said women, particularly from black and minority ethnicities, were…
/r/MensRights29/10/23 10:59 PM
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When you say that our posts are about hating women, do you actually mean that they are about hating feminists? That's usually what happens, some concern troll conflates women and feminists and assumes that we make the same error. One is a type of ideologue, which is not above criticism and contempt, the other is a biological type of person. The Barbies litterally realise at last that they have treated the Kens extremely wrong My interpretation of the Barbie movie was that the Kens were supposed …
/r/MensRights29/10/23 10:45 PM
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I think it's both. Men are human, and thus social creatures. We want to be viewed favorably by male companions, and by potential female partners. Both view men more favorably when men embody more masculine features that differentiate them from women and children, because this is how men differ male disposability, it's how men find their purpose. Both sexes are motivated to prefer attractive (i.e. masculine) men, and they reinforce each other. Some of those traits that both men and women prefer i…
/r/MensRights23/10/23 10:54 PM
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I love this comment. Feminists can't even argue that women are just more afraid because they are more likely to be attacked than you are, because the statistics clearly show that you are twice as likely to be targeted. But here's the issue, their fear isn't real. They aren't actually stuck in an infantile state of feeling perpetually terrified, it's performative. It's not a genuine expression of fear, it's an accusation they use as a weapon against men. It's still a mental weakness, but of a dif…
/r/MensRights16/10/23 04:42 AM
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The reality is, that no matter how much some men want to pretend they are oppressed, and discriminated against by ‘misandry’, Well I wouldn't say that men are "oppressed," but if men are denied aid from domestic violence shelters for being male and receive longer incarceration sentences for being male, and are uniquely subject to conscription for being male, and do not have protections from genital mutilation for being male, and are denied scholarships for being male, then can it not be said tha…
/r/MensRights16/10/23 03:51 AM
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I didn't become an MRA because I thought doing so would bring a promise of progress. Success has never been a guarantee. I became an MRA because I am convinced that men deserve rights that they are being denied. This entire movement seems more and more useless I disagree, not just in that I think it is useful and has found a degree of success, but I disagree that it needs to find success to be justified. The pursuit of men's rights is itself a moral cause, and it is more important, in my estimat…
/r/MensRights14/10/23 06:05 AM
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Well for starters, men are more likely to be convicted, more likely to be incarcerated upon conviction, and receive longer sentences if incarcerated for the same crime and same record, relative to women. There have been two hypotheses about gender discrimination in the criminal justice system. The “chivalry hypothesis” predicts that those in the criminal justice system will show leniency towards women out of a sort of chivalry, or because they just don’t take female criminals as seriously or per…
/r/MensRights13/10/23 12:12 AM
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Well I'm a Capitalist, so if by "trying to justify inacton towards the system" you mean I'm not on board with your little "death to capitalism" scheme, then guilty as charged. ​ I didn't say that. Because we live in capitalism right now, that mode of production causes men's issues that we're facing now. Two sentences at odds right there. You aren't saying that Capitalism is responsible for men's issues such as conscription, circumcision, or gynocentrism, but you are saying that capitalism causes…
/r/MensRights12/10/23 12:19 PM
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capitalists responsible for men's issues Sure thing, if we didn't live under capitalism we wouldn't have male only conscription or non-consensual circumcision or gynocentrism. Totally.
/r/MensRights12/10/23 03:05 AM
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I actually think it's healthy. We aren't opposed to women, only feminists and trad cons. I admit I've been very frustrated with "women" as of late, but that's an emotional response that isn't consistent with my logical thought process, which has stemmed from encountering almost universal support for feminist narratives among the women in my life, even those I thought would be above it. I suspect I'm not alone in this, and sometimes it's necessary to put in some deliberate effort to separate the …
/r/MensRights11/10/23 10:35 PM
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Do you guys believe that men’s rights issues are a direct result of feminism or did they predate the feminist movement/have no relation to feminism? A lot of our issues pre-date feminism, but this doesn't mean they have no relation to feminism or that they haven't been exacerbated by feminism. Issues that pre-date feminism include the draft, non-consensual circumcision, discrimination in the criminal justice system, lack of services for male victims of rape and domestic violence. However some of…
/r/MensRights08/10/23 10:02 PM
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The problems aren't fake, they're systemic (so is the wage gap). No, because the wage gap is a myth. Women are not payed less for the same work as feminists would have us believe. When you say men are falling behind in education because of "discrimination" that's a non-explanation... If your answer is that lady teachers are mean to boys, you're really not taking the problem seriously. My answer is that feminists have been pushing for affirmative action, quotas, women's centers at universities, a…
/r/MensRights08/10/23 03:41 AM
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I'm entirely pro-life. think a embrypo is not alive YET It is actually alive. Scientifically it is objectively alive by the criteria we use to identify life. It's also objectively human. On it's own this doesn't mean abortion is wrong, that argument requires further basis, but those points are worth clarifying. Well, if you can 100% decide on abortion or not, then you have to 100% make sure to protect as a women. A guy doesn't have to care and doesn't need to pay anything when you decide to not …
/r/MensRights07/10/23 10:13 PM
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May I ask if you have a problem with us criticizing feminism?
/r/MensRights07/10/23 10:04 PM
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I find the real problem here is an obsession with discrimination against men, which is a minor sideshow. There's not a lot of interest in talking about the real challenges that face men today (education, employment, a declining need for traditional male roles/virtues, etc.). Pardon? You mean like the fact that men face 63% longer incarceration sentences compared to women for the same crime with the same record? Is that a "minor sideshow?" Is that not a "real challenge faced by men?" It's a gap 6…
/r/MensRights07/10/23 10:03 PM
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By "dragging women" do you actually mean "dragging feminists?" That's usually about how it goes. Or sometimes the complaint is about someone saying something true about women, like talking about their tendency to be hypergamous or the higher likelihood of women killing children, or an anecdote about a female abuser or rapist or murderer or something.
/r/MensRights07/10/23 09:52 PM
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I didn’t, the person I was responding to put him in the same category as Warren Farrell.
/r/MensRights06/10/23 12:27 AM
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Well you see, our patriarchal society prioritizes public transportation most typically used by men, such as main roads, streets leading to critical infrastructure like power plants and water treatment systems, businesses, etc. In doing so, we neglect public transportation used more by women, such as sidewalks and streets leading to schools and daycares that mothers often drive to first before they head to work. This is why we need F e m i n i s t _ S n o w p l o w i n g !
/r/MensRights05/10/23 11:18 AM
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Obligatory 'I haven't read it', but I did stumble upon it earlier this week and stopped taking it seriously as I was reading the description. ​ Cities prioritize men’s needs when designing public transportation, roads, and even snow removal, neglecting to consider women’s safety or unique responsibilities and travel patterns. For those who haven't seen it, watch this video by TL;DR about feminist snow plowing. I'm not kidding, and neither is the author of the stupid book. Feminists really tried …
/r/MensRights05/10/23 12:08 AM
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Warren Farrell and Richard Reeves wouldn't be able to accomplish anything either if it weren't for the Paul Elams, Karen Straughans, and other blunt antifeminists of the world. People are stupid, we tend to judge things by comparing them to other things instead of assessing objective realities. Calling someone an "extremist" registers to most people as evidence that the alleged heathen is factually or morally wrong, when it's actually nothing more than an assessment of where they stand in relati…
/r/MensRights04/10/23 11:10 PM
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Everyone should keep this bookmarked for quick reference. I've directed so many people to it, especially page 30. It's such a valuable resource whenever people think they can just assume they learned the entire truth about women's suffrage from 2nd grade history class.
/r/MensRights04/10/23 10:55 PM
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Seconded.
/r/MensRights02/10/23 12:53 PM
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"It makes people distrust REAL victims." No, the man who was falsely accused is the REAL victim.
/r/MensRights17/09/23 10:16 PM
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That's a really good and interesting way to put it.
/r/MensRights15/09/23 09:55 PM
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To me this sounds like the criticism we constantly get. “What have MRAs ever actually achieved for men?” Sure, not much, but that doesn’t mean we don’t actually care about men, it’s just indicative of our lack of power in society. We can’t change the world overnight even if we want to, and neither can Shoe. She’s just one person. I still think she actually has done a lot for men. She was one of the first people who got me interested in anti feminism back in 2016. She just made a video that’s lik…
/r/MensRights12/09/23 11:00 AM
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Humans mature incredibly slowly. It takes us months to start walking after birth, whereas many other animals are able to after a couple hours. This is because other animals, mostly prey animals, need to get moving or they won’t survive. They’re on a tight deadline, but the problem with tight deadlines is that they don’t leave a lot of time to develop complex, powerful abilities like language or abstract thinking. We still have deadlines, if a child isn’t able to speak, read, or write by age 7, t…
/r/MensRights31/08/23 04:54 PM
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I've been black-pilled for awhile now, and by that I mean I think the best case scenario is for injustice and prejudice against men continues indefinitely and men just put up with it. That's somehow the best case scenario, the worst one is that the rift between the sexes grows so large that it tears society apart and everything collapses. I don't see an outcome where MRAs are successful and the damage done by feminism is corrected, I don't think human biology will allow it. I think the misandry …
/r/MensRights24/08/23 05:00 AM
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The problem with conservatives is that they typically just react to whatever the Left is doing, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but it does open them up to some rather wishy washy behavior. When gender ideology was/is the hot topic, that seemed to be all conservatives like Walsh cared about, and they were perfectly willing to trash men in order to win their battle with the trans people, even though these same conservatives had been outspoken against feminist misandry not too long ago. It's …
/r/MensRights22/08/23 04:14 AM
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When I was building my PC, I had no idea what I was doing, the most complicated technology thing I'd ever done was replacing a phone screen. There were so many friends who were not only willing to offer casual advice, but went out of their way to help me pick the parts, learn how to assemble them, find resources, and educate me. All of them were men. Some of them were men I'd barely known. I've also spent years learning and using Blender, a 3D animation software, and the first time I watched a y…
/r/MensRights22/08/23 03:24 AM
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Little girls saying it out of friendly competition with their male friends is one thing. I mean it's stupid, but kids should be allowed to indulge in some stupidity. They'll grow out of it. Adults or older girls saying it or encouraging little girls to say it is gross, misandrist, and just plain mean-spirited. It's also still stupid.
/r/MensRights20/08/23 05:18 AM
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Every post I read was condemning Maxwell and other women who potentially assisted him which is fine but do you not think its a bit shameful that you are condemning them more than the actual guy who conducted the whole operation and violated countless underage girls. Well, he's dead, so I don't actually see the point in condemning him, especially since we all know he did it, he was never going to be allowed back into society again, at least not peacefully, and we can all rest knowing he met a vio…
/r/MensRights20/08/23 05:14 AM
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It wasn't a misandric movie in any way. Exactly how many times did the movie suggest that women in the real world are oppressed by "the patriarchy" (men)? I think accusing men of oppression and making every male character a villain speaks volumes, and the creators explicitly said that it's a feminist movie. Feminism is rooted in misandry, so I don't see how a feminist movie would fail to also be raw misandry.
/r/MensRights18/08/23 04:10 AM
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My interpretation of the movie was that yes, the Ken's are treated unfairly, but Barbieland is a mirror of the real world. In the real world, according to the movie, it's actually women who are in the position the Kens are in. So sure, the movie can portray the Ken's sympathetically, but not because they are trying to portray men sympathetically, but because the movie's argument is "Women have it so hard, you men don't even understand, so imagine if you were treated like women are. Here's what t…
/r/MensRights18/08/23 04:06 AM
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No kidding. These people genuinely hate men to such an extent that they've been driven to delusion, which only further fuels their hate. These people will rip society apart.
/r/MensRights18/08/23 03:22 AM
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Who is talking about envy? You are. Why did you add the bit about Jeff Bazos becoming one of the wealthiest men on the planet? It doesn't make the mistreatment of employees any better or worse. It's not like it would be justified to mistreat employees if the boss was barely scraping by. Why bring it up if not for envy? Is it morally bad to be one of the wealthiest people in the world? Someone has to be, so Bazos didn't do anything wrong just by being rich, and I doubt he's personaly responsible …
/r/MensRights18/08/23 03:19 AM
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You do not get billions upon billions of dollars without exploiting a shitton of people. There's simply not enough actually backing this argument up for it to convince me that capitalism is problematic, especially given that we don't even live under genuine capitalism. But I think that she does not see how misandristic society has become and how these days you hear a lot of anti-white male rhetoric. Really? I think she's one of the few who does. She first became popular due to her anti-feminist …
/r/MensRights18/08/23 03:09 AM
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Well her particular point about Capitalism causing the epidemic of male loneliness came right after she correctly refuted the feminist argument that the rise in male loneliness is due to men being socialized to be stoic and reserved and otherwise traditionally masculine. Shoe correctly points out that traditional masculinity has been around for a very long time, men have practically always been socialized to be stoic, and yet the male loneliness epidemic has only spiked recently, and if anything…
/r/MensRights17/08/23 12:49 PM
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Also does anyone know what her boyfriend looks like? I bet he just so happens to be white, tall and handsome faced So? She's one of the few public figures who actually doesn't crap on men or white people. Even a lot of anti-feminists like Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh, and rarely Jordan Peterson will still occasionally parrot misandrist talking points, but Shoe doesn't. I get that there's a tendency for racist, misandrist Leftist women to date the very people they outwardly despise, but Shoe isn't one…
/r/MensRights17/08/23 03:04 AM
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That’s a massive generalisation of feminism and you know it. I know no such thing. Feminism has done PLENTY of work on analysing what it is to be a woman, women’s new role in the world, identity, sexual emancipation and freedom, etc etc. Yeah, and the MRM has also done a lot of work to understand what it is to be a man, how men are perceived by society, whether these perceptions are accurate or not, and even why men's nature often compels them to oppose men's rights. Jordan Peterson (and you) ar…
/r/MensRights15/08/23 12:27 PM
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An advocacy movement won’t get very far if it’s focus is entirely on non-members of the group and trying to get them to change. Has anyone ever suggested this to a feminist? I imagine not, because that would be retarded. Feminism now dominates gender issues, and it has done so entirely on the basis of "men are at fault and need to change." And now, you're suggesting that the MRM needs to stop talking about women, even stop talking about the institutions, and just concede that "men are at fault a…
/r/MensRights14/08/23 11:39 AM
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They didn't even have to manipulate the number, it's as easy as being unable to control for some variables. Like willingness to move for your job. Surely that would translate to earning more, and men are more likely to be willing to move. But how do you figure out how hat affects the controlled pay gap? There's simply no way to quantify it. we could actually be paying women more for the same job, and we might still find a 1% controlled wage gap supposedly in favor of men.
/r/MensRights13/08/23 01:53 PM
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However it was assumed that the man would take the lead, be in charge of the finances etc. Right, at least in some circumstances, because men were financially responsible for their wives and families. If he didn't sufficiently provide for his wife, there could be legal repercussions. Imagine holding someone responsible for the financial wellbeing of a family, while not giving that person control over the family's finances. Feminists argue that men just got all the power because men wanted it so …
/r/MensRights10/08/23 11:02 AM
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Back in the day there were many legal and social limitations on women so that it could be regarded as a movement for equal rights even with the anti-male attitude I disagree. Take women's suffrage for example. The reason women had fewer rights like the vote than men was because they also had fewer obligations. Men had the right to vote, but were also subject to conscription. No, there wasn't formal legislation tying the two together, but it was understood that the two were linked, as confirmed b…
/r/MensRights09/08/23 12:12 PM
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Nonetheless, she draws her audience from a group of disaffected men who could make great MRAs given the right influence. It's not like she's turning them against MRAs, so I don't see it as a huge problem. But if your point is that she isn't an MRA and gets some things wrong, then yes I agree, and I wish she (and everyone else) was. Not good enough if she only opposes the aspects of feminism which happen to be good! There are no aspects of feminism that happen to be good. Not a single one, includ…
/r/MensRights09/08/23 12:00 PM
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Feminism has never been about equality, and I don't have to cite a few radicals or some anonymous internet accounts to make that point. Feminists with actual institutional power and influence, the feminists who guide the movement through academia, the media, and non-profits, have a long dark history of acting against equality, but the one thing that is always constant is the feminist drive to hate men, and to spread that hate. That is what feminism is at it's core, the idea that men are oppresso…
/r/MensRights09/08/23 03:28 AM
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Feminism was never about equality, it was about vilifying men and casting them as oppressors from the very beginning.
/r/MensRights09/08/23 03:22 AM
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Nothing from those video titles suggest to me that she's an MRA. Don't get me wrong, I wish she were, but to me those make her sound like just an anti-feminist, which is good enough I guess. though she has done the “women haven’t earned it” bit. Well she is right about that. Women haven't earned it, and it is an injustice that women got the vote for nothing while men had to endure conscription for it. Personally, I don't care whether women want the vote or not, I'm not going to criticize it eith…
/r/MensRights09/08/23 03:20 AM
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I'm not sure if disavowing Pearly is necessary. Has she ever claimed to be an MRA? Has she ever been involved with other MRAs? Does she even talk about the same issues we do? Genuine questions, because I haven't payed any attention to her, but I never got the impression that she was anything more than an anti-feminist. As for the "repeal the 19th" thing, Maybe I'm wrong and she's serious, but it seem like something that's only intended to make a point (that women got the vote unearned, while men…
/r/MensRights08/08/23 12:05 PM
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I’d say really all feminism does is use capitalism and traditionalist values to attack men. Absolutely, especially with traditionalism. People act like Feminism was a rejection of traditional gender roles, when it was really just new packaging. Capitalism really does inflame already bad situations by forcing people into economic dependency ESPECIALLY FOR MEN. I'm not sure about that, I don't see how Capitalism forces people into economic dependency. Usually the criticism is that it does the oppo…
/r/MensRights08/08/23 11:32 AM
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As a man, you get to feel safe Right, you get to feel safe, but you don't actually get to be safe. The statistics are clear. Women are the safest demographic in society, even safer than children. You are much more likely to be the victim of a violent crime as a man, and criminals often use weapons. No, an extra 40% upper body strength is not going to save you from a bullet or an aluminum bat to the head. Women only feel less safe because of A. Their own paranoia, and B. Society values female lif…
/r/MensRights08/08/23 03:37 AM
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Honestly, I think men can generally handle the relative isolation. It's the open demonization of men that's the real problem (and I'm sure that exacerbates the isolation). Tell men that if they exhibit competence then they are nothing but evil oppressors, and if they don't exhibit competence then they are worthless losers, and what can we really expect? Sh0e makes a few good points, male stoicism has been around far longer than the "male loneliness epidemic," white social media and dating apps h…
/r/MensRights08/08/23 03:32 AM
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What’s horribly ironic about standpoint theory is that I was required to learn about it to get a degree in my major (Architecture) in an architectural theory and criticism class. The class spend three weeks on race, and one on feminist theory. As you can imagine, alternatives and opposition to feminist theory was not presented even once. So who is really forced to learn the narratives of the ruling class? Are we really to believe that women or feminists are the ones who hold epistemic privilege?…
/r/MensRights03/08/23 03:28 PM
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I blame fathers for not guiding their sons primarily. Maybe, but I'm not letting women, especially feminists off the hook on this one either. A big part of the problem is that men aren't comfortable with making women squirm a bit. Men know what it's like to feel a strange guilt whenever the topic of gender issues comes up, they know what it feels like to brace for the insinuations that they, as men, owe women something and benefit from some sort of unearned advantage. I think men know that even …
/r/MensRights03/08/23 02:18 AM
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Men's Rights needs to understand that women do have legitimate problems in society. Like what? Anything comparable to the issues faced by men? I generally don't like statements to the effect of "both genders have their issues, including men," because it suggests that men may just possibly have issues almost as serious as women's, whereas I would argue that women might have some minor issues, like sexist snow ploughing and sexist air conditioning, and men have serious issues like conscription, ci…
/r/MensRights03/08/23 01:59 AM
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Personally, I was black pilled long ago. Most women are very comfortable in resenting and despising men, and most men would rather defend themselves than men as a whole, because they don't think men in general are worth defending. I don't think it's ever going to get better, I think the damage is done and injustice will win, and that's the optimistic outcome. The pessimistic outcome is that an attempt at justice is made and it tears society to shreds. Honestly, I don't know why I'm not depressed…
/r/MensRights02/08/23 03:53 AM
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Feminist white women just want to escape the guilt and shame their ideology of guilt by genetic association would impose on them, so they make white men the scape goats. They get to play the victim, and all they have to do is throw men under the bus. Honestly, I don't really think this is the greatest motivation, I think it's more that they want to have the benefits of preferential treatment, while also wanting to deny such preferential treatment because it would rob them of their victim status …
/r/MensRights02/08/23 12:01 AM
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Are they so narcissistic that they can't see this goes both ways?
/r/MensRights30/07/23 02:59 PM
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More likely, he circumcised his son(s) and desperately wants to feel no shame or guilt.
/r/MensRights29/07/23 01:07 PM
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Yeah, I remember a year or two ago my opinion of him was that his posts were amazing, but stained (in my estimation) by some unnecessary concessions to feminists, and I couldn't even tell if they were a reflection of his genuinely held beliefs or just an attempt at compromise to reduce the normies' shock. Still, I usually only comment when I have something to say, and I don't typically feel the need to say "This is all fine, I have no objections." So in case you're reading this Mr. TinMen, keep …
/r/MensRights24/07/23 11:11 PM
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75% of High School valedictorians are female should society be concerned or not? Yes, we should be concerned, especially since research has confirmed that boys face discrimination in school and receive lower grades for equivalent work. Also, just about everyone in the US goes to high school. However, almost no one is an elected politician, and all the evidence proves that women are elected at the same rate at which they run. Also, almost no one is a billionaire, and while I'm sure there's discri…
/r/MensRights24/07/23 11:06 PM
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87% of billionaires are men, not to mention 80% of politicians, 100% of US Presidents, and I get it, I want those imbalances addressed too. Why do those imbalances need to be addressed? What's wrong with them? ​ I'm nitpicking though, this was a great post, I really love to see these all posted here.
/r/MensRights24/07/23 11:48 AM
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How are you going to do that? The most typical response I see when men's rights comes up is "that's absurd, men already have all the rights." Most people genuinely believe we live in a patriarchy, or that at least we did and that men as a class still hold all of the advantages and power. This narrative is a lie, but it's our biggest roadblock. We will struggle to get anything done without dismantling that narrative. Barbie heavily promotes that narrative, that men are awful, oppressive, privileg…
/r/MensRights24/07/23 10:55 AM
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Whether it deserves it or not, it's getting attention and influence. Missandist media has been common for a long time, but I can't be the only one whos been somehow surprised by how explicit it's gotten this year. So how to you expect us to remain aware of the political climate and to respond accordingly if we dismiss influential media as just "forgettable garbage that doesn't affect men's rights whatsoever?"
/r/MensRights24/07/23 01:00 AM
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And if it's men's fault, great! Keep being at fault and make life worse for them by not being there. I think this is especially interesting. The quality of higher education is clearly on the decline. We talk a lot about how men being less formally educated is a sign that men are struggling, and it is true that men face discrimination in higher education that w must combat. But it's also no secret that higher education is often just not worth it. The debt is ridiculous, and too many degrees aren'…
/r/MensRights20/07/23 05:23 AM
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I think what makes this interesting to us is the way they spin this as "women are now more educated, this somehow victimizes women, and it's men's fault." It's generally in the interests of the MRM to combat these two narratives (women most affected, and the men done did it).
/r/MensRights20/07/23 02:55 AM
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It's a natural outcome of the equality we're all asking for Sorta, but we're actually not at equality today. Men do face discrimination that keeps some out of college. Affirmative action and women only scholarships are some obvious examples. Yes, that was largely due to issues with access to work and education for those women, Actually, women attended college at about the same rate as men in the 1920s, and again women were attending college in equal numbers by the 1980s. yes, more men attended c…
/r/MensRights20/07/23 02:18 AM
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Yeah, I'm writing about the US, even though there are actually only three states that explicitly forbid women from going topless in public. It's mostly just culturally enforced.
/r/MensRights14/07/23 11:32 AM
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Women's dress codes are slightly more strict in informal settings, men's dress codes are more strict in formal settings. For example, in an informal setting like the beach, out around a neighborhood, the gym, etc, men can typically go shirtless, women cannot /9at least they are expected to wear a bra). But somewhere like the office or a formal event, men's dress codes are much more strict. No shorts, absolutely no shoulders, and there is usually at least a requirement to wear a collar. Women com…
/r/MensRights13/07/23 11:42 AM
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That's been me many times.
/r/MensRights12/07/23 12:33 AM
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They haven't been for a long time.
/r/MensRights09/07/23 02:57 AM
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It’s definitely a thing, but not at all a male thing. I’ve heard women admit that they like to pretend to be weaker than they are to get men to do things for them. For example, they might pretend they can’t lift their luggage into the overhead compartment of a plane, because they know a man will usually step up to do it for them. It’s not that they’re lazy or actually that weak, they just enjoy getting men to do things for them. Most people, women especially, seem to think this is harmless, mayb…
/r/MensRights06/07/23 11:16 PM
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Awful for society, great for men. I mean it's still awful for men, but it's better than the alternative.
/r/MensRights02/07/23 02:46 AM
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Can you believe that some lawyers stoop so low as to alienate fathers from their own children? I mean... ​ ​ yes, easily
/r/MensRights22/06/23 12:24 AM
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Also Sense8, the show made me repeatedly gag with the forced ideology pushing, and I was especially nauseated with the message that adultery is good actually (the director is a homewrecker IRL, so no mystery why that little message was put into the show). But I will give the show some credit for having at least three main male characters who were strong and unapologetically masculine, one of whom was arguably THE main character of the show. I don't much care for how gay men were portrayed, but I…
/r/MensRights18/06/23 09:45 PM
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Arcane is an amazing exception. One of the key focuses on the show is the relationship between fathers and daughters, and while the fathers are flawed, complex characters, so is everyone else, and I seriously mean everyone. Fathers, and even men in general in Arcane, are masculine, strong, ambitious, and especially loving. The show probably features some of the best depictions of masculinity I've seen in modern media, even though I'm sure that the creators had feminist leanings (because who does…
/r/MensRights18/06/23 09:40 PM
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Oh yes, this is the 1800s and early 1900s we're talking about. Racism was considered a compelling argument.
/r/MensRights17/06/23 04:01 PM
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To be fair, some of the reasons on both sides were downright stupid. Some antisuffragist women argued that it would double the voting population and make elections more expensive, which is retarded because if there's one thing that is worth spending money on, it's maintaining just and free elections, given that they are the foundation of government. And of course, there was the outright racism of many of the suffragettes, who were absolutely enraged at the idea of black men having the vote befor…
/r/MensRights17/06/23 04:36 AM
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It was never that simple. Murder has long been illegal, and I'm not aware of any culture where it was explicitly legal to murder your wife despite any other laws criminalizing murder. When something is your property that means it is your right to do what you wish with it, including destroying it. Has authority been given to husbands in many cultures historically? Of course, but it wasn't arbitrary. Husbands also had additional obligations to their wives that they had to fulfill, and their author…
/r/MensRights17/06/23 04:30 AM
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I have enough faith in what historical schooling I do have to believe what I have read and been told over the years. I used to agree, but at this point I've been lied to enough that I do not trust unquestioned popular narratives. Let's take the issue of the vote. It is true that women were historically not allowed to vote, but is this really evidence of oppression of women by men like we've been led to believe? Here are some facts about women's suffrage that have been erased from public knowledg…
/r/MensRights16/06/23 11:54 PM
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Could you provide specifics? In what way were women oppressed?
/r/MensRights16/06/23 11:55 AM
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I would argue that women never have been oppressed.
/r/MensRights16/06/23 12:12 AM
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I audibly groaned at “encouraging men to take responsibility for their well-being.” Also just the whole thing in general. Feminists love to use this tactic where they explain that men's only real problem is just the way they are, that's their problem. If men could solve their mental health issues, as in, be mentally more like women, then men would stop being such terrible monsters and everything would be perfect for men. In short, men only suffer when they accidentally hurt themselves while tryi…
/r/MensRights15/06/23 12:45 AM
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As if to illustrate my point, here are a few of the comments on that article: This happened in Houston as well. 80% of the men’s restrooms were converted to women’s and they covered the urinals with plastic and taped them down ​ Very soon, the use of the bathroom argument by conservatives will be moot because many places are designing one big bathroom for all-gender use. Each stall will be private and the sink area will be open; no urinals. I've seen this design in a park bathroom in Fort Mason …
/r/MensRights14/06/23 01:35 AM
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“Taylor Swift has reiterated time and again that her shows are a safe space for everyone, no matter what gender or sexuality you are. And also, most importantly, these places just need more bathrooms.” In fact, if there’s any takeaway from Taylor Swift’s nationwide trek, it’s that despite the hysterical right-wing discourse, where vindictive statehouses are restricting the places trans people are allowed to urinate—as a way to humiliate and subjugate one of the most vulnerable populations—gender…
/r/MensRights14/06/23 01:23 AM
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To be fair, neither Wickman nor Carey reported any friction between the genders as they went about their business in mixed company. “It did make it a bit difficult to make it to a sink to wash my hands as there was a crowd of women all doing their makeup with heart eyes or painting 13s on their hand with eyeliner,” Carey said. “Which is not something you typically see in a men’s bathroom.” In fact, after years of institutional male privilege—the simple bodily reality that the women’s queue tends…
/r/MensRights14/06/23 01:14 AM
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I love this reply. I’ll be shamelessly stealing it.
/r/MensRights03/06/23 05:14 PM
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Well when you say acid I thought you meant the kind that’s used to disfigure people, not the kind that gives clothes white spots.
/r/MensRights03/06/23 05:08 PM
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Let’s see, they have research to back their claim, I wonder what the sample size is. Oh, it’s 30 men and 18 dogs. That’s surely representative, right? Also, why did they compare bacteria found on men’s faces compared to the dog’s backs? Is that really an equal comparison? Further, are these dogs responsible for cleaning themselves, or were they cleaned by humans?
/r/MensRights03/06/23 05:03 PM
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It seems that it was bleach, not acid, and the video of the incidents was staged. At least the one I found, you may be referring to something else.
/r/MensRights03/06/23 12:18 PM
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Yeah, of all the other non MRA groups, I’m most sympathetic to MGTOW. If I weren’t gay I’d probably swear off of relationships too. Women have too much ability to really screw men over, it’s just not worth it.
/r/MensRights31/05/23 07:06 PM
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But it’s not just MGTOW that people associate with the MRM, it’s also PUAs and incels. Anything condemnable done by these groups is attributed to us because unlike those other groups, we actually pose a political threat, so feminists are motivated to fling as much crap at us as possible. PUAs aren’t trying to make political change, they’re just trying to get laid. MGTOW aren’t trying to create political change, they’re just withdrawing from the system and leaving everyone alone. Incels aren’t ev…
/r/MensRights30/05/23 07:34 PM
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Don’t forget Doctor Randomercam! Love that guy, he’s the one who persuaded me into the MRM.
/r/MensRights29/05/23 08:46 PM
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Like I think about my straight, female friends who are in their 20s and 30s. And they’re not interested in men like Andrew Tate. Their sort of ideal as Timothee Chalamet or Harry Styles, these sort of sensitive, I think what Andrew Tate and his ilk would call kind of girly men. I'm just guessing, but I doubt women like Chalamet and Styles because they like "girly" men, they like famous, wealthy men, even if a little girly. Most women don't seem to be nearly as into random guys who look like Chal…
/r/MensRights25/05/23 10:19 PM
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He made them unlisted, but he didn't remove them. You just need to have a URL to any of his videos. I have an entire playlist. He doesn't want his videos inaccessible, he just doesn't use YouTube anymore. Honestly, I probably should have linked to his video on a different platform.
/r/MensRights24/05/23 01:23 AM
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Don't know about women, but racial minorities have less melanin, so they are more vulnerable to the sun and thus need shade. ​ Yeah that seems about right.
/r/MensRights23/05/23 10:38 PM
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It's feminist snow ploughing all over again. Seriously, if you don't know, it was hilarious.
/r/MensRights23/05/23 10:35 PM
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Ah yes, epistemic privilege (standpoint theory). Feminism's most hilarious self-own.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 10:55 PM
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All true, but that applies to women as well.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 11:40 AM
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A lot of women hate men. If I had to make a conservative guess, I'd guess that the number of openly misandristic women exceeds the number of misogynistic men at least 20 times over. They aren't even ashamed of it, like all hateful bigots they think their bigotry is justified, they wouldn't hate men if men didn't deserve it. I'm very, very glad to be gay because men are beautiful and wonderful. It may not have been a choice, but I'm not complaining. Hatred is a choice though.
/r/MensRights22/05/23 11:36 AM
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From what I've read about this book, I think Hawley gets a lot of things right. I do agree that feminists have launched an attack on men and masculinity, and I agree that masculine men are absolutely vital to a healthy, functioning society. I even agree that religion plays an important role in masculinity, I mean even if you are an atheist most of your morals can probably be traced to some religion, and realistically, almost nothing seems to last thousands of years except religions. However, I d…
/r/MensRights19/05/23 01:01 AM
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He was. Rick Scott, the former governor of Florida, had done the same thing twice.
/r/MensRights18/05/23 09:55 AM
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That's the most retarded thing I've seen all morning. And of course it would be from the UK. Two different types of jobs, working in the supermarket floor and in the distribution warehouse, can be compared and must be paid the same? Why? I know where I'd rather work if I wanted my job to be as easy as possible. Feminist women are really some of the most entitled people I've ever seen.
/r/MensRights18/05/23 09:20 AM
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You idiot, stop being intentionally dense. The foreskin has nerves in it. When intact, you can feel those nerves, which produce a sensation. When you cut them off, they can no longer be felt, thus reducing sensation. This is basic logic combined with basic facts about vertebrate biology. If you cut off a part of the human body with nerves, whether it be a finger, an ear lobe, or a foreskin, you lose the ability to feel it. The foreskin is not like hair or finger nails. It doesn't grow back. Get …
/r/MensRights17/05/23 12:06 PM
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If there is prejudice, persecution, and outright genocide then IMMIGRATION IS THE ANSWER "If you're being targeted for incarceration and genocide, then just leave!" That's your argument? I mean I don't disagree, but who does? The problem is that for so many, escape just isn't feasible. However as it is a cultural issue isolated to a population containing both men and women its not a MENS ISSUE. When gay men face much harsher punishment when caught, I do actually feel comfortable calling it a men…
/r/MensRights16/05/23 10:16 PM
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Studies show no loss of sensation. You missed my point entirely. Surely there is a loss of sensation, how can you feel your foreskin if someone cuts off your foreskin? And shouldn't you naturally be able for feel your foreskin? It's not like hair or fingernails. I mean if you cut off a finger, wouldn't that result in a loss of sensation? Millions of circumcised men have had happy and re-productive lives for many many centuries. Which doesn't discredit the notion that non-consensual circumcision …
/r/MensRights16/05/23 12:52 PM
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So someone argued that in Afghanistan, gay men face greater adversity than lesbians, and your rebuttal is that in the West, LGB people have it easier than straight people? All of these things can be true, you haven't refuted anything.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 11:39 AM
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If I can no longer feel my foreskin, is that considered loss of sensation? Also, are we really to believe that the foreskin has no function? Why is that even a prerequisite to consider it mutilation? If someone decided to cut off their infant son's nipples, would that be mutilation? I mean they aren't that sensitive, and male nipples don't really have a function. What's the difference between that an non-consensual circumcision, other than that the latter is culturally reinforced? Culture doesn'…
/r/MensRights16/05/23 11:34 AM
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Well I don't care who you are talking about, the wage gap is not due to discrimination. Even if it was, It wouldn't mean that white women were privileged, it would mean asian men are.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 10:02 AM
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There is a wage gap between white women and women of colour. Yeah, Asian women earn more than white women. The "feminists" never mention that. Not true, they bring it up all the time. Read any paper on the wage gap by the AAUW (better yet, don't, they're garbage). By the way, the wage gap is not discrimination. The issues faced by WOC are worst than those faced by rich white female celebrities. Seriously? Why are you comparing non-white women in general to white female celebrities? Doesn't that …
/r/MensRights16/05/23 03:03 AM
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Maybe not in every context, but Sonja Starr found no discrimination against black women relative to white women in the criminal justice system.
/r/MensRights16/05/23 01:03 AM
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I get your larger point, I just disagree with minor detail, and not even a detail that is crucial to your main argument, which I do agree with.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 12:22 PM
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I'm not sure what point you're making, I don't disagree that women's interests are generally prioritized over men's, I just don't think that white women are necessarily more privileged than non-white women. I even gave an example of how men face discrimination, black men face slightly worse discrimination, but black women and white women are treated identically, and the gender gap was over 6 times larger than the race gap. Gender matters more than race when it comes to who is advantaged.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 12:21 PM
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I'm also gay and definitely relate. I typically come across as straight, so I know how people treat straight men and how that changes once they find out I'm actually gay, and it's completely different. Women tend to be very cold at first, then when they find out some become instantly more friendly, and I do mean instantly. Not all women, of course, but often enough that I do feel lucky to not be straight.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 10:50 AM
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Women, especially white women, are privileged. Race actually has very little to do with it, at least for women. For example, we MRAs all know of Sonja Starr's research which found that for the same crime and the same record, men face 63% longer incarceration sentences. She also found that black people face 10% longer sentences. The interesting thing is that she found that the race gap did not affect black women. Racism seems to target minority men, but not minority women.
/r/MensRights15/05/23 10:48 AM
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Except, of course, E Jean Carroll, supposedly.
/r/MensRights13/05/23 10:23 PM
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Her life was still at risk Apparently not yet, or she could have had an abortion. they had to wait until she was on the brink of death "at risk" and "on the brink of death" are not the same thing. The law does not specify that she must be on the brink of death, and no reasonable honest person would ever interpret it that way. even though her life was technically at risk that whole time. If her life was at risk the whole time then she could have gotten an abortion. why would it make sense to let …
/r/MensRights13/05/23 02:05 PM
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Natalie Wynn, more commonly known as ContraPoints. She has over 1.6 million subscribers on youtube and her most recent 2 hour long video was all about this idea that women are not responsible for their bigotry. She quotes heavily from Drowkin. This was also not her firs time quoting heavily from Dworkin.
/r/MensRights13/05/23 01:59 PM
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If only men were different and weren't constantly reducing themselves to pathetic simps.
/r/MensRights13/05/23 11:49 AM
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Frankly, I do not buy that Trump has raped or assaulted anyone. I've been lied to about him so many times, that I just don't find any of the accusations credible. Side note, Trump was still a Democrat when all of these assaults allegedly happened. How many dems actually cared about it then?
/r/MensRights13/05/23 11:45 AM
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Andrea Dworkin argued in one of her books (Right Wing Women) that bigoted women are never responsible for their own bigotry, but rather they are terrorized by male violence and then manipulated by men into redirecting their fear against vulnerable minorities, rather than the real enemy: men. Dworkin even argued that this was the case for powerful, influential women such as Anita Bryant, and lately left-wingers have been endorsing Andrea Dworkin's ideas on this matter. And I don't mean it's just …
/r/MensRights13/05/23 11:42 AM
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So, let me get this straight. When her life was not in jeopardy, when she was not "literally on the brink of death," the abortion was not performed. When her life was at risk, the abortion was performed. What's wrong then? Let's remember, my original argument was that: "To my knowledge there are no states that have passed laws that would ban abortion when it was needed to save the life of the mother." Clearly, the Texas law permits abortion when needed to save the life of the mother. When it was…
/r/MensRights12/05/23 11:27 PM
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Never said it was the woman's fault. When I was talking about the "I'm a scarred woman, so you must have done something wrong to cause me to be so afraid" argument I was referring a common tactic used by many women, and people who claim to speak for women (such as feminists). I wasn't claiming to be directly quoting from the woman in this particular story. the doctors were following exactly what the law says. No they weren't, if they know her life was in serious danger they should have known the…
/r/MensRights12/05/23 11:02 PM
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It's so fascinating how almost all of us started off as either feminists or feminst-friendly.
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:54 PM
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Okay, that's depressing. Just all of it.
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:53 PM
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I used to think any criticism of feminism was obviously an expression of misogyny. I don't know if I would have called myself a feminist, but I certainly thought feminism was unimpeachable and I didn't have a very positive view of men. Then I heard a woman criticize it. That threw me off, and it interested me enough to want to know more. Soon I was listening to more women who were also critical of feminism. I don't think I would have ever listened to another man saying the same thing. For a long…
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:47 PM
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They're just a bunch of activists who think their performative fear is an argument.
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:08 PM
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I heard about that case when it happened. No, Texas law allows abortion when medically necessary, but a couple doctors wanted to play dumb and pretend that they didn't know if the law would be applied as it is written, just so they could make a statement. It's manipulation, it's nothing but typical cry-bullying. It amounts to nothing but "I'm a scarred woman, so you must have done something wrong to cause me to be so afraid." The only correct response to such tactics, whenever they are used, is …
/r/MensRights12/05/23 10:06 PM
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Okay, this is dumb all around. To my knowledge there are no states that have passed laws that would ban abortion when it was needed to save the life of the mother. So why would women lie about being raped just to get a medically necessary abortion? Also, the reason some pro-lifers oppose abortion even in cases of rape and incest isn't because they're worried about men being falsely accused, it's because if abortion is murder, then it's still evil even if there are tragic circumstances, especiall…
/r/MensRights12/05/23 09:46 AM
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I think it's just saying that penetration needs to occur, and the unwilling partner in said penetration is a victim of rape. Again though, it's very poorly worded and easy to interpret as "the victim must be penetrated."
/r/MensRights11/05/23 12:07 PM
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I've always been a bit confused by the new definition. “The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.” Is this saying that the victim has to be penetrated? Technically I don't think it's saying that, but this really could be worded so much better.
/r/MensRights11/05/23 11:57 AM
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The CDC released a paper in 2010 called the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2010 Summary Report. While it is true that essentially all rape victims were female, this is only because a man being forced to have sexual intercourse with a woman wasn't classified as rape, it was classified as "made to penetrate." Obviously, being forced to penetrate is still rape, so what happens if we compare the number of women who were raped (including Completed forced penetration, Attempted …
/r/MensRights11/05/23 08:36 AM
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So has the ERA. It's not inconceivable that it might return, even if in a different form. Generally the sentiment that equal treatment shouldn't apply where women would be advantages seems to resonate with an awful lot of people.
/r/MensRights04/05/23 10:31 PM
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To be clear, my argument isn't that men should be selected because men's average greater muscle mass means they have some advantage. My argument is that if we are going based on average characteristics, average calorie intake is probably not the best choice, and certainly shouldn't be the single factor considered. My other argument of course is that even selecting based on average calorie consumption is still better than "well we can't send the same gender of people who were first to walk the mo…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 11:59 PM
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Also, can we take a moment to point out that they're blaming men for women's own choices and preferences, made in isolation and without coercion. That's all they ever do. "Patriarchy" theory wasn't created to blame all men for everything, it was created to absolve women of responsibility for their own actions. Feminism is entirely based on the idea that women dindu nuffin. Feminism erased the women who led the opposition to women's suffrage, they erase women's agency in choosing career paths tha…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 11:55 PM
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Society doesn't want to leave that natural process up to chance, and so tries to inject a useful model instead to make sure be boy develops in "approve" ways... More recently, they've realized that destroying the idea of male role models leaves the door open for boys to choose their own again, and they're freaking the fuck out about that trying to create feminist approved male role models. This is fascinating. It makes me think of this paper which was actually peer reviewed and published. It's a…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 10:34 PM
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But the most privileged individuals are mostly men. By what metrics? Becoming CEOs, presidents, and other politicians? Becoming president or a politician isn't something that's just given to you, it takes intense effort and you have to fight for it. Further, women win elections at the same rate at which they run, so they don't face discrimination at the polls. How is a man becoming a politician privilege, even for the individual male politician? Same thing with CEOs, it takes years of work, and …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates03/05/23 12:43 PM
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Even men who are the same size as women require more calories. Men have proportionately more muscle and women have proportionately more fat, and muscle requires more calories to sustain. That said, why are we assuming that the extra muscle isn't well worth the extra calories? Children also require less food and water, and they are themselves smaller, so why not send them? Physically there are advantages to sending men, as others have mentioned men are less likely to sustain injury, and I'm no as…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 11:55 AM
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The ERA was thrown out a long time ago. If it can return, the Hayden rider, or an equivalent, can as well.
/r/MensRights03/05/23 11:16 AM
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That doesn't actually make sense. Primarily because it assumes that men and women are two collectives, and also because the moon landing was decades ago. It's like when people argue that white people today should be held responsible for pre-Civil War American slavery, even though no one alive today participated in American slavery. That's not even to mention that Mars and the Moon are not equal accomplishments. There's a reason we were able to get to the moon decades ago but still haven't gotten…
/r/MensRights03/05/23 03:19 AM
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There's a difference between someone being a tragic victim of war and someone who was expected to sacrifice themselves in war. I've never been in either situation, but I'd expect a heavier toll from being a soldier, being expected to put my life on the line for the sake of others every day, possibly against my will if I was conscripted Also, civilian casualties are usually male anyway. There's a reason Rwanda has one of the most heavily female governments in the world, and it's not because it's …
/r/MensRights03/05/23 03:13 AM
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Not if passed with the Hayden Rider, which basically says that the ERA only applies to areas where men are advantaged. Advantages for women would survive the ERA. I'm not even kidding, that was made a part of the ERA. Literally "everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others."
/r/MensRights03/05/23 01:39 AM
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Depends on if the ERA is passed with the Hayden Rider.
/r/MensRights03/05/23 01:38 AM
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It has separate DNA, it has it's own heartbeat, has it's own nervous system and its own thoughts. It's not part of the mother just because it's inside the mother or attached by a chord. I haven't even heard pro-choicers argue that it's part of the mother in a long time. I think most of them realized that it doesn't hold water, and instead they make the stronger argument that even if the child is separate from the mother, and even if it is alive, it isn't entitled to the mother's body.
/r/MensRights01/05/23 02:53 AM
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Wow, that really is just all of feminism. I guess that's why the Honey Badgers like to point out that radical doesn't mean "fringe," it means "of the root."
/r/MensRights01/05/23 02:45 AM
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Would there be a reason for feminism if feminists thought their was no male suppression? Yes there is some male suppression Yes there is some female suppression. It's that last part where feminists disagree. They don't just think that men have some advantages, women have others, they think men have intentionally oppressed women, and any advantages women enjoy are mere accidents, "patriarchy backfiring." The idea is that men hate women so much that they're even willing to hurt themselves a little…
/r/MensRights01/05/23 02:43 AM
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My criticism of feminists isn't that they all hate puppies and friendship. While I have certainly encountered many feminists who wouldn't respond as your friend did, I'm sure most of the ones you'd meet on the street are decent people to those that they know personally. But the feminists in power, the ones the guide the movement and influence law and policy, they often don't have such a response. See Mary Koss as an example. I doubt she'd have the same reaction as your friend, a completely rando…
/r/MensRights01/05/23 02:39 AM
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Feminism is inherently radical. Can there be a radical segment of a generally radical ideology?
/r/MensRights01/05/23 12:40 AM
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It's true feminism which has fell out of mainstream. True feminism is people who believe in women's rights but doesn't want to shut down the opposing gender. I don't agree. Even the Declaration of Sentiments of early feminism was entirely based on patriarchy theory and ideas about male privilege and female oppression. Feminism hasn't really changed in it's primary goal, it has always been an ideology of interpreting society as class warfare between men and women with men having always won and op…
/r/MensRights01/05/23 12:38 AM
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Speak for yourself. Feminism has always been about vilifying men. It's not just radical feminism, it's mainstream feminism too.
/r/MensRights30/04/23 10:21 PM
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"Lawyers advise that the child is to be considered the patient, whose needs trump those of the parents." Trumps those of the who? The parents? I thought we were specifically talking about men who were confirmed to not be the parents. They need to be honest. To them, the needs of the child (let's be real, the needs of the mother) trump the rights of unrelated men to be protected from fraud. Under this arrangement, women's interests are prioritized at every level, over the interests of men and eve…
/r/MensRights30/04/23 07:45 PM
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Every time we're accused of "hating women," it turns out that what was really meant is that we hate feminism. These people conflate the two, if you hate one you must surely hate the other.
/r/MensRights30/04/23 04:35 PM
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I don't think it's petty, nor do I think it's about blaming women. The reason women are more likely to initiate divorce is because women have more to gain from divorce. Why on earth wouldn't women be more likely to want a divorce than the people who are more likely to be financially ruined by it and to lose access to their kids? It's not about blaming women for callously ruining relationships, it's about pointing to a symptom of a wider problem, namely discrimination against men in family court.…
/r/MensRights27/04/23 12:08 PM
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That’s not true, you can absolutely commit a hate crime against people of your own identity. Some people really do resent their own identities enough to take it out on other people. And I’m guessing that sexual orientation should matter. Why call it “gender based violence” when a man kills his wife? Surely he didn’t actually kill her because she’s a woman, someone who legitimately hates women enough to kill them isn’t going to marry one, or to be married by one, at least outside very extraordina…
/r/MensRights24/04/23 05:17 PM
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While some mass shooters may hate women I would guess that it's highly likely that they have mental health problems, and those mental health problems made them hate women. Elliot Rogers, who these people love to use as their example because he actually was a misogynist, killed more men than women. He might have hated women, but he didn't care about men either. He only saw them as inferior to himself just as he saw women, but he didn't see men as desirable, only as obstacles. Straight white men s…
/r/MensRights23/04/23 05:16 PM
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Blaire White used to be great, but the past couple years she's started siding with the feminists on a few points, so I don't watch her videos anymore.
/r/MensRights21/04/23 10:58 AM
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Well I hope Natalie watches Shaun’s video. Maybe she’ll issue a correction clarifying that men do face systemic discrimination, which is over six times larger than the discrimination faced by black people (black men really) in the criminal justice system.
/r/MensRights20/04/23 03:16 PM
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Gender Critical was very good. You could just feel her contempt for TERFS and it had such an iconic ending. Also, I don't know why the teapot was as hilarious as it was.
/r/MensRights20/04/23 12:07 AM
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Sorry, but i cant be your therapist. When did I ever ask you or anyone to be my therapist? Ask on ex-MGTOW/misogynist groups I'm neither MGTOW nor a misogynist, I'm a men's rights advocate. ​ But you need to find your way out of this echo chamber I've literally dedicated countless hours to listening to opposing voices, such as ContraPoints. I know her videos better than you do I imagine. How on earth am I in an echo chamber? In fact i got banned from a sub for commenting here today, so this was …
/r/MensRights19/04/23 10:44 PM
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You are simply angry at the wrong people. Let's see who I'm angry at, and consider whether they are the wrong targets of anger for someone who cares about men's rights. I'm angry at someone who declares to her audience of millions that : Men don't face any systemic discrimination or have any systemic issues Masculinity needs to be reinvented, because the only problem men have is just the way they are (except for men who also denounce masculinity, those are "the good men") Women are never respons…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 12:08 PM
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I've seen it at least a dozen times. She wastes a ton of time on banter, which is amusing but ultimately meaningless. She does try to state areas where she "agrees" with MRAs, but the way she went about it isn't going to appeal to MRAs. The points where she tried to express agreement with MRAs were: Men have a lot of pressure in dating and get very little attention Men feel bad because people are afraid of them People are a little nicer to women than men Men don't feel like they can express thei…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 11:10 AM
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Turns out it was the paper from the first link in my previous comment. The conclusion reads: Among all the results already reported, perhaps the most striking and important surrounds the trends in intimate partner homicide, particularly in the context of ongoing efforts to curtail domestic violence. Some researchers argue that the reduction in male intimate partner victimization, a decline of nearly 60% over the past four decades, is because of an increase in the availability of social and legal…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 02:50 AM
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I've actually seen it proposed by researchers, though MRAs such as Karen Straughan have also been suggesting it for years. I'll see if I can track down the paper that talked about this, though it's been a few months.
/r/MensRights19/04/23 02:37 AM
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This is why feminists are full of crap when they say women have not ever had any power. Natalie did make a good point about how there's no point arguing about whether something is transphobic when the person your arguing with doesn't even think transphobia is a thing. You could point to someone saying "trans women are men" and they'd somehow still insist that that's not transphobia. Such debates are unproductive at best, because such a person is not arguing in good faith. What does that say abou…
/r/MensRights19/04/23 12:04 AM
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Secondly, she didn’t say all men. She very specifically called out a handful of men who have already pushed anti-trans policies. The only thing I can imagine you would an issue with is that they are all.. conservative republicans? What she was talking about isn’t an opinion.. it’s actual laws that have already been passed in conservative states. I hadn't addressed this part, so here goes. She didn't say all men, but she said men only. Only men are dangerous threats who must be defeated. Women ar…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 11:54 PM
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I generally don't think it's fair to use radicals to characterize political movements. Every movement has extremists, it's more realistic and more fair to craft an understanding of an ideology by observing the ideologues who have influence to shape the movement and actual power to enact its wishes. Not long ago, I would have ignored all the people on this list. They're just a bunch of fringe frothing misandrists rejected even by most feminists. I'm starting to think I was wrong. Yesterday Contra…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 11:36 PM
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I never claimed that homicide rates are equal TODAY, in fact I pointed out explicitly that they are not. But they were about equal in the 70s, which was around the time that we started creating shelters and services specifically for women. This means women in mutually violent relationships can leave rather than escalate, while men are still trapped and as such are more likely to resort to more extreme violence. If we recognized male victims and aimed to help them, rather than show indifference o…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 11:08 PM
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You may find this illuminating. It's a lecture by researcher Murray Strauss who not only talks about his findings of gender symmetry in perpetration and motive, but he also discusses how research has been manipulated to attempt to distort and sensor not only his findings, but other researchers who have found the same thing.
/r/MensRights18/04/23 11:03 PM
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https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Gender-Differences-in-Patterns-and-Trends-in-U.S.-Alan-FridelEmma/14be180b57973d84b7c74f279f6dc46e1058bc27 See figure 10 for data on intimate partner violence. You can also find the same results from the BJS here (graph on page 1)
/r/MensRights18/04/23 11:01 PM
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It's a great response, but unfortunately Karen only covered the first half of Natalie's video. I can't say I blame her, that particular video by ContraPoints (Men) is do devoid of any meaning or substance, how on earth is anyone supposed to respond to it? What little substance their is is so basic and uninteresting. Like how she argues that MRAs don't deal with any systemic issues. Anyone remotely familiar with the MRM knows how absurd this claim is.
/r/MensRights18/04/23 10:34 PM
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Serious injury isn’t skewed toward female victim hood because of men’s greater strength. Anyone with intent to cause serious physical harm can do it, even if that means using weapons or attacking while the victim is in a vulnerable state (such as when sleeping). The fact that in the 70s men and women were killed by intimate partners at equal rates suggests that physical ability doesn’t have anything to do with likelihood to inflict serious injury against a partner. Men were still physically stro…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 05:40 PM
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Here's the image. I don't think it's edited, and I certainly don't think that Natalie intentionally used an edited image.
/r/MensRights18/04/23 12:00 PM
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Of course, some of the most influential MRAs are women such as Alison Tieman, Karen Straughan, Erin Pizzey, and Hannah Wallen.
/r/MensRights18/04/23 04:08 AM
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I don't like this strategy, because she's not just going to go away or become less influential if we ignore her. I wish more people would challenger her, because there are so many problems with her videos. It's not like it would be difficult to tear them apart. Her video about men and MRAs was particularly substanceless. She doesn't really know anything about the MRM or even feminism, since that isn't really her area of interest. I will say, I do think she is intelligent. I think it's best not t…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 04:07 AM
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Well that's unhelpful.
/r/MensRights18/04/23 03:43 AM
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So, there's a lot to unpack with this video. Starting with the core idea that women are afraid of male violence, and that this violence is what motivates women to oppose human rights for gay people and trans people, meaning they are but pawns being manipulated by evil right wing men. This assumes that women are disproportionately fearful of male violence for a justified reason, that men are actually disproportionately violent toward their intimate partners. If this assumption is incorrect, if me…
/r/MensRights18/04/23 03:34 AM
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Actually yes, there are those in places like the Middle East who insist that there are health benefits to FGM but we generally don't take it seriously because we recognize that it's a post-rationalization and absolute garbage, just like the alleged medical justifications for male circumcision in the West are.
/r/MensRights17/04/23 11:10 PM
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If memory serves, there are 4 types, and the type that you were referring to is the least common. One of the most common types is very comparable to the typical male circumcision, and another is slightly more severe. The fourth is just things like pricking, piercing, and slight cutting.
/r/MensRights17/04/23 11:08 PM
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One of the more stupid feminists really thought they got me. Surely my argument that most of the civilians who are targeted are male somehow contradicts my other argument that men are more likely to be considered military rather than civilian because of conscription. No, both can be true. Men exclusively are conscripted in almost all cases, but that still leaves some civilian men, and those are the civilians most likely to be targeted because male disposability is wired into us. I used to think …
/r/MensRights17/04/23 01:00 AM
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Because in Pinterest the pedos are men. All the pedos on Pinterest are men? You have data to back this up or you are assuming? I'm sorry that hearing this fact hurt your feelings, Don't you see how that might be a problem if our "feelings are hurt?" You know, as men who actually aren't pedos? Why do men have to be collateral damage in the fight against pedos? How is that justice, and how does it help children? How does erasing (ie enabling) female pedos help children? you have to move on and foc…
/r/AntiFeminists17/04/23 12:15 AM
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If her comments had been about how tragic it was that children were being murdered by women, or how we need to stop black people from committing so many murders, would you be saying "well hold on guys, infanticide and murder are very serious issues, and all you can be concerned about is a little misogyny and/or racism?" Yeah, it sucks that 9 year olds are being sexualized, but we aren't commenting on that because that's not the point of contention. Everyone agrees that that's bad. It's also kind…
/r/AntiFeminists16/04/23 11:45 PM
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Don't assume that everyone on her who comments and votes is an MRA. They may be, or they may be intentionally trying to give us a bad name. It's especially common with young accounts. The one above is only a month and a half old and all their posts here have been removed by the moderators.
/r/MensRights16/04/23 09:45 PM
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This is an interesting point. I recently got into an argument with a bunch of feminists over Hillary Clinton's recent reassertion that women are the primary victims of war. I expected them to denounce her, but they didn't. The most common arguments I heard were "NGOs and the UN agree that women are harmed the most by war," "civilians are harmed the most and are targeted, and civilians are mostly female," "as civilians, women aren't prepared for war, so it's worse," and most commonly, "why do you…
/r/MensRights16/04/23 09:33 PM
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Men are not, only some men are.
/r/MensRights15/04/23 04:17 PM
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Into the cess pool he goes.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates14/04/23 11:07 AM
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What costs? The costs to the dead children. I know you know what I'm talking about, just be upfront and disagree with me rather than play dumb as if that somehow means that I'm the one being ridiculous. Only if you miss quote and not mention the abortions. I copied and pasted your comment, how is that a misquote? I didn't even take you out of context. A fetus isn't the same as a child. I don't really agree with your use of the term "child," but that's just semantics and I get your point. Sure, a…
/r/MensRights14/04/23 12:51 AM
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A flawed human being, like all of us. I don't understand why people always say this about him. I mean it's true, we are all flawed and Peterson isn't an exception, but I don't see how he's especially flawed to an extent that that would be the first thing so many people say about him.
/r/MensRights13/04/23 11:15 AM
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Karen Straughan was talking about Jordan Peterson's work years before the Canadian Bill C-16 thing. Sure, Peterson probably still wouldn't be quite as famous without that incident because the optics of a professor having to shout because some students were trying to silence him is rather powerful. Still, I don't think it was somewhat inevitable that Peterson would end up becoming a public figure, even if likely only to a much lesser extent.
/r/MensRights13/04/23 11:13 AM
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AND it gives children the best possible start in life. The one's that live anyway, who cares about the externalities? Having sex isn't the same as consenting to the use of your sperm for procreation. Yes, I'm very well aware that pregnancy is a very natural result of having sex, Well that's your point out the window. but that is why we have invented abortions. Abortions are justified by the invention of abortion then? That's a bit circular. Becoming a parent or not is one of the biggest decision…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 12:33 PM
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https://ldh.la.gov/assets/oph/Center-RS/vitalrec/leers/ITOP/ITOP\_Reports/Ap18\_T23.pdf
/r/MensRights12/04/23 03:19 AM
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I know you weren't asking me, but as much as I really do care about men's rights, I don't care about men's convenience more than the rights of innocent children to live. ​ Side note, I called it "men's convenience" instead of rights because men can have the right to not be falsely accused while still protecting the lives of the unborn, though such rights will inevitably be violated in some cases. Allowing abortions for such a reason doesn't make possible men's rights to not be falsely accused, j…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 02:01 AM
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I do not recommend use of the terms "paper abortion" or "financial abortion" for several reasons: Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start. With Roe overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is about to be banned, the…
/r/MensRights12/04/23 01:57 AM
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I lean in a sort of opposite direction. I don't think it's fair to essentially punish the child for the actions of the father, and doing so won't erase the injustice done to the mother anyway. Meanwhile, medical threats to the mother are very rare, but do happen, and seems like a totally legitimate reason to, well I don't know that I'd say abort, but at least attempt to deliver early despite the involved risk to the life of the child. Either way, abortions motivated by rape or medical necessity …
/r/MensRights12/04/23 01:55 AM
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Just out of curiosity, what's the purpose of this poll? Abortion isn't a men's rights issue, but MRAs seem unusually interested in stating what "our" position is, as if we have one.
/r/MensRights12/04/23 01:51 AM
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I'm not "moderating" anything, I stand by my beliefs and have nothing to hide.
/r/MensRights08/04/23 03:09 PM
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Men's rights activists (MRAs) are often considered to be sexist because some individuals associated with the movement have promoted misogynistic and discriminatory attitudes towards women, Does the AI care to give specifics? and blamed women for problems facing men. We do that sometimes, is that not allowed? It's not like we exclusively blame women or blame all women. But basically, we might use the gender swapped version of "it's true that some individuals who identify as men may hold sexist at…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 10:49 PM
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Correct. you said that the feminists in positions of power are misandrists, meaning they hate men, so if a person identifies as a feminist but they still actively advocate for men’s rights (which is what a feminist is supposed to do anyways) would you just disregard them completely? I know of exactly two feminists like that. Christina Hoff Sommers, and Camille Paglia, and both of them are constantly criticized by feminists and are typically more aligned with anti-feminists. They aren't even MRAs…
/r/MensRights06/04/23 01:35 AM
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Studies find that women "attempt" more because they include self harm as suicide attempts. Women engage in self harm more than men.
/r/MensRights05/04/23 11:19 AM
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I think most people who would call themselves feminists are just normal people who don't hate men and genuinely want equality. They generally think women are or at least were oppressed, which I still disagree with, but these normal people aren't really the feminists I have a problem with. Yes, there are also radical blue haired politically lesbian feminists who are just plain obnoxious, but they also don't have much power within feminism or in society more broadly. These are also not the feminis…
/r/MensRights03/04/23 12:36 PM
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So their logic is that a woman killed by an intimate partner was killed because of her gender? So can bisexual people commit gender based violence?
/r/MensRights03/04/23 02:33 AM
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This wasn't a good discussion on masculinity, but this was a good response to it.
/r/MensRights02/04/23 07:10 PM
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I know at this point I'm stating the obvious and this isn't helpful, but you screwed up.
/r/MensRights02/04/23 07:08 PM
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and while there may be overlap Where is the overlap? I'm not willing to concede that there is any such overlap, feminism certainly has a far more racist history than the MRM.
/r/MensRights02/04/23 07:05 PM
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not only do we believe that women should have the choice to have an abortion, but men should also get the same right! No "we" don't. The MRM is not explicitly pro-life or pro-choice. MRAs can be both. Generally, MRAs support "legal paternal surrender," which you call "financial abortion," a term that I do not recomend for several reasons: ​ Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using …
/r/MensRights02/04/23 07:03 PM
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What is missed in this discourse, however, is any discussion about the ways that both white supremacist and male supremacist ideology appear to be driving the contemporary push to outlaw abortions in America. They don't shut up about it, how has it been missing from the discourse? "Pro-life" activists and advocates rarely bill their campaign to outlaw abortion as explicitly driven by a commitment to the "men's rights" movement and its efforts to dominate women, Someone asked ChatGPT what Men's R…
/r/MensRights02/04/23 06:59 PM
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Efforts by Republicans and their allies to roll back abortion rights continue, with a looming federal ban on the abortion pill mifepristone, which accounts for more than half of all pregnancy terminations each year. That case is being decided by U.S. District Judge Matthew Kacsmaryk, and was litigated by Alliance Defending Freedom, a conservative Christian advocacy group that was also involved in the Supreme Court's Dobbs decision last year, which overturned Roe v. Wade and the nationwide right …
/r/MensRights02/04/23 06:38 PM
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I've heard the argument that most school shooters didn't have fathers, and if that holds up I can definitely see how feminism would have exacerbated the school shooting issue. I think the real issue is the media constantly identifying the shooters and publishing their manifestos, which provides plenty of incentive to people who feel neglected and want to get some attention, even if it's negative, which then inspires more repeats. Stop focusing on the shooters, don't even name them, especially if…
/r/MensRights01/04/23 10:44 AM
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/r/MensRights31/03/23 10:43 AM
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The popular narrative is that rape and discrimination are things that happen to women and not men. It's relevant to the MRM to prove that this isn't the case, both men and women experience these things, and they actually experience it about equally (rape is about equal at least, discrimination is mostly against men at this point). To make our case, we need to point to both statistical data and specific examples, so yes, this belongs here. Not because "OMG women are evil," but because women are j…
/r/MensRights30/03/23 11:06 AM
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It’s nice to be a man in a lot of ways. Who is your boss? Statistics say it is most likely a man. Even if your boss isn’t a man, chances are their boss is. In every state men are more likely to be CEOs and have a higher median income than women. No one can deny that being a man comes with certain economic and social advantages. This just in, being more likely to have a boss who is the same gender as you is an economic and social advantage.
/r/MensRights30/03/23 09:56 AM
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The problem with that argument is that men are not more likely to be sexual predators, at least not by any significant margin that would justify public perception. The CDC released a paper in 2010 called the National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey: 2010 Summary Report. While it is true that essentially all rape victims were female, this is only because a man being forced to have sexual intercourse with a woman wasn't classified as rape, it was classified as "made to penetrate." Obvi…
/r/MensRights28/03/23 03:05 PM
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Testosterone makes you want to do dumb things like ride down a mountain in a shopping cart or duct tape your best friend to a stop sign, it doesn't make you violent. The link between violence and testosterone is weak at best.
/r/MensRights28/03/23 06:37 AM
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A trans man actually. Born female, began to identify as male, but has sloppily been called a trans woman by some media outlets.
/r/MensRights28/03/23 06:12 AM
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OP isn't suggesting anything, but is rather starting a conversation among MRAs about an argument that is currently being made by a lot of people, especially conservatives, who as always are willing to throw men under the bus to own the trannies.
/r/MensRights28/03/23 06:11 AM
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"There is no scientific evidence to suggest that women are inherently less inclined to.. work overtime than men." It's called the American Time Use Survey, and it has consistently shown every year that among full time workers men work about 5% more hours. Sure, that particular survey doesn't prove that this is inherent to men and women, but it doesn't need to be to explain why men earn more than women on average. "Studies have consistently shown that even after accounting for factors such as occ…
/r/MensRights28/03/23 03:17 AM
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Whenever MRAs talk about the male only draft, it's common for feminists to point out that they aren't responsible for it, as if we were accusing them of it. However, we do criticize feminists for not including it in their fight for equality, but they often respond by pointing out that the NOW did write an amicus brief in support of the MRAs who had filed a lawsuit challenging the male only draft. They only filed the amicus brief after it was clear that the lawsuit would fail, but in that amicus …
/r/MensRights26/03/23 01:33 PM
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Women normally live a few years longer, so the world ending deprives women of more years of life than men. I mean that's literally the argument they make about how women are victimized by not having enough savings for retirement relative to men.
/r/MensRights26/03/23 11:19 AM
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a feminist activist called Big Red is yelling at an MRM campaigner, telling him that the MRM is unnecessary because feminists share all their aims. Once stripped of its hostile vitriol, her speech basically states that she fundamentally agrees with him – and yet she’s branding him a misogynist and an enemy. This clearly has more to do with tribalism than with a genuine difference of views. I see this from feminists a lot, this idea that Big Red was actually right, it's just that we made a meme o…
/r/MensRights23/03/23 12:09 PM
1

Here's a post about the most commonly cited papers about the wage gap by feminists. Almost every time a feminist provides a "source" that supposedly proves the wage gap exists, it can be traced to one of these. The problem for feminists is that none of these papers actually prove that there's a wage gap, in fact if anything thy prove the opposite. Basically, you have to compare men and women who actually do the same work to prove a wage gap, and a lot of these studies that claim to have done so …
/r/MensRights23/03/23 11:49 AM
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I'm pro-life because I consider abortion to be murder, not because pro-choicers are hypocrites. I'm also an MRA, and I refuse to support abortion just because banning it would "result in more men being forced into parenthood." I genuinely do care about men and their rights, but not everything is about making things as easy and convenient for men as possible, nor for women for that matter. The issue needs to be about whether abortion is murder or not. How much men or women have to benefit from it…
/r/MensRights23/03/23 10:14 AM
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Or if a mod arbitrarily decides that it's "spam." I've directed you to a few examples of that in the past.
/r/MensRights23/03/23 09:49 AM
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I'm very much with you, I'm so sick of MRAs on here being needlessly hostile to feminists who come here to ask questions or to make a point, and I'm even more tired of the mods banning them and removing their comments. I don't care that you think they're trolling or that they aren't willing to change their minds, that's not the point. The point is to convince the peanut gallery, and if all visitors see of us when curiosity brings them here is hostility without actual arguments and bannings and c…
/r/MensRights22/03/23 10:33 PM
3

I'm doing well, I'm generally quite happy with my life and feel very lucky, despite having essentially been black pilled. I do think society is doomed, I no longer think it's a matter of if everything will collapse, but when. I don't know what will do it first, economic irresponsibility, increasing partisanship, or the "fempocalypse" as Karen puts it. One way or another, I think things are going down, if I can be so optimistic. That's honestly better than the alternative, which is for someone, m…
/r/MensRights21/03/23 02:09 AM
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if you read it she literally mentions how women choose to be stupid not that they are inherently dumb I know, she says that pretty early on, and I was pretty transparent about only having started to read it. It's also why I said "I'm also not on board with the whole "women haven't developed their intelligence" thing." rather than "I'm also not on board with the whole "women are stupid" thing." I still don't agree with her, and if men are so great at developing their intelligence, maybe more of t…
/r/MensRights13/03/23 01:22 AM
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My understanding is that only 3 states have laws explicitly prohibiting women from going topless in public, some other states have vague laws, and none of them matter anyway because the courts have made such laws unenforceable if they only apply to women.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 11:33 PM
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2) do men not have that legal right? Is it a law? Or a custom (which I think should be illegal to perform without the persons consent)? I’m not sure I understand. Nope, the majority of men in the US have their bodily integrity violated before they're even a month old, and it's entirely legal. ​ Also men have the right to cum when and where they wish No they don't, if men do that in public they can wind up on the sexual offender registry, not that I'm complaining about it.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 11:32 PM
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India also doesn't consider women legally capable of rape. They did briefly, but the feminists objected.
/r/MensRights10/03/23 11:29 PM
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In part, the Declaration of Sentiments, which was a document signed at the Seneca Falls convention. It marked the beginning of organized feminism. It was a rewrite of the Declaration of Independence with the colonies replaced with women and the British replaced with men. Today it's not unusual to casually say that women were oppressed, but at the time it was radical and generally considered, even by most women, to be absurd, because it was. Take for instance the matter of women's suffrage. Most …
/r/MensRights10/03/23 12:48 AM
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It’s ironic isn’t it? Elsewhere in this thread I pointed out for unrelated reasons that men used to be required by law to pay the tax on their wives income, even if their wives earned more than them. Worse still, men were not entitled to their wives’ financial information, even though this was needed to pay the tax, and women could and did deliberately withhold that information to get their husbands arrested for tax evasion. And what was a main reason the colonies declared independence from the …
/r/MensRights09/03/23 07:10 PM
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First of all, she wasn’t famous for being a doctor or having a degree. Apparently that wasn’t so shocking. Also, had you heard about this story? Have most people? You say it’s famous, but it really isn’t. I’ve only ever heard of a few MRAs talking about it. And it wasn’t some fluke or a one off, it was the law. Did you know that before the 1920s there was a roughly equal balance of men and women attending college? Still about 60% male, but it was not men only as most people assume. People assume…
/r/MensRights09/03/23 02:21 PM
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Here's some information about Dr. Elizabeth Wilkes. She was a doctor in the 1800s, but that's not why she is remarkable. She's remarkable because at the time, men were legally responsible for paying their wives' taxes, even if they earned significantly less than their wives. Dr. Wilkes' husband was a school teacher, and not only was he obligated to pay her taxes, but he had no right to access her financial information, which would have been necessary to know how much to pay in taxes. She withhel…
/r/MensRights09/03/23 01:31 PM
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It's literally the Declaration of Independence, except replace the colonies with women and the British with men. Basically, "the history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her."
/r/MensRights09/03/23 12:43 PM
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Not sure what the basis for that is, whereas there's plenty of evidence to suggest that feminism went off the rails way back in the early 1900s or even before. Declaration of Sentiments, hey how are you?
/r/MensRights09/03/23 12:29 PM
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Are w ignoring Valerie Solonas now?
/r/MensRights09/03/23 01:17 AM
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I've started reading The Manipulated Man, and while I appreciate some things about it, it's too off the rails for me. I don't buy that women have manipulated men into servitude and that's just the end of the story, I think women have manipulated men into servitude, and men have demanded just compensation, at least until about the time this book was written. I'm also not on board with the whole "women haven't developed their intelligence" thing. Maybe she'll elaborate, but Esther herself did atte…
/r/MensRights07/03/23 11:46 PM
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Realistically, no one other than some lonely political lesbians are calling the SCUM manifesto “the greatest book to be ever written by a Woman."
/r/MensRights07/03/23 11:46 PM
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it was painful for me as a feminist to write this commentary. I have done so for two reasons. First, I am also a scientist and, for this issue, my scientific commitments override my feminist commitments. What an astounding burn on feminism. It's such a brutal way to say feminists are full of crap.
/r/MensRights07/03/23 01:31 PM
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https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1615782606963884043?ref\_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615782606963884043%7Ctwgr%5Ea577e426eaf84580c1a9721f572b1ecb7af49d52%7Ctwcon%5Es1\_&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F10hfyn3%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis\_nightmode%3Dtrue
/r/MensRights07/03/23 12:05 AM
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No, conservatives do it too, especially the past couple years, and I say this a someone who leans conservative (more libertarian really). More importantly, not everything leftists say and do is an expression of misandry, sometimes they focus on absurd ideologies about sexuality.
/r/MensRights06/03/23 02:47 AM
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I 100% agree with everything you said.
/r/MensRights06/03/23 02:44 AM
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No doubt, the Venn diagram of feminists and progressive gender theorists is nearly just a circle, but there is a distinction worth making in the arguments that are being made. Feminists might usually be progressive gender theorists, but there is a difference between feminism and progressive gender theory (by which I mean LGBTQ1AA2STD%E@+). Have you noticed that recently conservatives are fine with siding with the feminists if it helps them take down the gender theorists? Matt Walsh and Ben Shapi…
/r/MensRights05/03/23 11:26 PM
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OP has decided to delete the post, but they don't get to run away from their words. The full post previously read as follows: ​ Not all Mens rights activists are directly sexist or misogynistic. But they all sure seem fine with a system where women are treated unfavourably. I’ll give you an example. In 2022 a Mens rights activist group in Scotland were up in arms because boys couldn’t wear shorts to a secondary school in Scotland but girls could wear skirts. Really? In Britain women get underpai…
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:54 PM
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Right, but presumably if black people did have fewer rights than white people, then that would be rock solid proof of the institutional racism against black people. I'm going to take your statement as an agreement that there are no rights in the West that men enjoy but that women do not. However, there are rights that women enjoy that men do not. For example, as previously mentioned, women have the right to have their rape legally recognized as rape in the UK, whereas the laws do not recognize i…
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:52 PM
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Fully agree, not sure what it has to do with men's rights but I do fully agree.
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:37 PM
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What rights do men have in the UK, or anywhere in the West, that women do not?
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:34 PM
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I have no interest in defending OP, but also calm down. OP is most likely a kid or someone with a mental disability, and I'm not saying that to be mean to OP, but realistically grown intelligent people don't make posts like this. It's better not to make fun of the disabled.
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:33 PM
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Men are treated more unfavorably in society.
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:30 PM
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In Britain women get underpaid citation needed and raped far more than men Because the laws in the UK don't consider it to be rape when a woman forces a man to have sex with her against his will. I'm not even kidding, they don't consider it rape just because he's a man and she's a woman. At the same time there was a woman killed in Iran by Islamic extremists over not wearing a hijab correctly. Most of the protestors killed in Iran have been men and boys. Sure, women have it tough in Iran, but as…
/r/MensRights05/03/23 06:29 PM
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Never forget, patriarchy theory is radical. It isn't the moderate position, except by today's standards because yes, the radicals are the feminist movement.
/r/MensRights04/03/23 12:45 PM
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A lot of them are women who don't want to feel the guilt of privilege. Many of them just never thought the idea that men are privileged and women are oppressed could ever be controversial, they thought it was just a given. They've spent so long trying to induce the guilt of privilege in men, so if they were to recognize the reality that women actually have more rights and more privileges than men, the guilt would be particularly sharp. Some are just bitter people who have chosen men as their con…
/r/MensRights04/03/23 12:42 PM
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Just a reminder, when people accuse you or anyone else of misogyny, what they are usually talking about is just antifeminism. If you aren't a feminist, they'll accuse you of misogyny. If that's your crime, own it.
/r/MensRights01/03/23 11:38 AM
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I think the MRM is in a unique place in regards to traditionalism. I don't know of anyone else who doesn't condemn past gender roles like only men having the vote. MRAs understand that it was more complicated than just men oppressing women, and while we don't advocate for a return to that arrangement, we don't condemn it when even trad cons usually say that of course that was patriarchal oppression. I don't know that I'd say we are "progressives," just because that term has developed a strong le…
/r/MensRights28/02/23 12:38 AM
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I feel I should remind you of what this conversation was originally about. It was about whether women can or should be MRAs of if only men should be leaders in the MRM. The video I linked wasn't an argument as to whether the Honey Badgers should be leading the MRM, it was about the necessity of women to support men's rights, not just because men can't do this alone, but also because men shouldn't have to do this alone. Are you going to object to that or are you just opposed to anyone listening t…
/r/MensRights28/02/23 12:08 AM
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saying that men oppress women (feminism) isn't the same as saying that society is organized in repressive ways which hurt much of the population. I must have misunderstood something, are you suggesting that feminism is the belief that "men oppress women?" Because if so, that's my point exactly. If not, then the phrasing is unclear. class struggle is a taboo topic in the US, so i don't know what you're talking about. everyone is obsessed with race, gender, fictitious genders, anything but class. …
/r/MensRights27/02/23 11:54 PM
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even when they do criticize feminists, they resort to calling them marxists, communists or socialists. Yes, and they do mean that as an insult, and just how wrong are they? Seems about right to me, at least on the marxist and socialist front. Feminism is just a gendered version of Marxism. if you endorse the draft you're against one human right of men. brian said it would be great if the draft could be repealed but only if men learn to love america So he said the draft should go if there's a pra…
/r/MensRights27/02/23 01:57 AM
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First of all, there's no comparison between the Honey Badgers and Ben Shapiro. Shapiro is constantly endorsing feminist ideas. saying that america is controlled by marxists But are they wrong? advocacy against raising the minimum wage Not a far right position, just a moderate conservative one. and for cutting social security Hardly inconsistent with the MRM, if on the conservative side. If anything it's just off topic. saying that the fighting age men coming to canada and the UK from third world…
/r/MensRights26/02/23 05:27 PM
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even karen straughen and alison tieman use her men's rights activism to promote a far right agenda that hurts men. I've listened to their streams, and I have no idea what you are talking about. They aren't even far right, I'm not even sure that they're right wing at all. They seem more like libertarians to me, which is maybe right wing? listen to their streams and you'll notice the men's rights activism is marginal Well they've been talking about men's rights for over a decade. Karen no longer m…
/r/MensRights26/02/23 01:46 PM
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I think this is the best response to statements like yours. It's from both a man and the woman this post is about.
/r/MensRights26/02/23 12:30 PM
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I've had to sit next to people like that for hours a day for periods of several months. It's toxic, unprofessional, unfriendly, rude, and ignorant. Maybe you can break through to them that there is something unhealthy about the way they talk about men, if not, it's up to you to decide if you want to put up with it. I know I definitely wouldn't, because I've been able to find good friends who don't enjoy taking out their bigotry on men on a weekly basis. If I can have friends who aren't so toxic,…
/r/MensRights26/02/23 04:59 AM
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This has been feminism's project. Feminism exists solely to accuse men of being the privileged class and to cast women as the victimized class. Whenever feminists say they aren't responsible for men's rights being ignored, that it's the fault of patriarchy or men in power, remember this. The justification for shooting down attempts to help men was that men have been the "most historically advantaged segment of society." This is a lie, and it is a lie spread by feminism, and spreading that lie is…
/r/MensRights24/02/23 01:25 AM
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You heard it here first, MRAs don't care about reproductive rights or domestic violence, I mean "gender based violence" whatever the heck that means. ​ Actually, what does "gender based violence" mean? Is a bisexual person capable of committing "gender based violence?"
/r/MensRights23/02/23 11:38 AM
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The link to nothing.
/r/MensRights17/02/23 11:17 PM
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Oh it's definitely a trend, but it's not about women gaining power in the dating environment, it's about individual women appropriating victimhood.
/r/MensRights16/02/23 05:10 AM
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I also oppose abortion. Are you about to call me a pedo too?
/r/MensRights16/02/23 05:08 AM
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Most of the increase in "LGBTQ++%2S" identification among young women is really just straight girls pretending to be bisexual or "qu***" for the victim points. They aren't actually anything other than basic leftist white girls, but for some reason think there's something wrong with just being basic leftist white girls. I guess it's not special enough.
/r/MensRights15/02/23 11:30 PM
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I don't know what warrants that accusation, but he's certainly a trad con who is more than happy to throw men under the bus in order to feed his delusions of protecting the poor damsels in distress.
/r/MensRights15/02/23 11:26 PM
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Oh thank heavens.
/r/MensRights13/02/23 03:22 AM
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before the 1960's women couldn't work or attend university, so Lizzie Bernett was forced to leave university in 1896, and marry Mark Wilks. however, before leaving university, she managed to snatch a degree in surgery with her name on it and with it she started to practice medicine as a qualified doctor. Sorry, what now? Women couldn't go to work or attend university until the 1960s, but here's a woman who worked as a doctor and attended university in the 1800s. Also, where is the evidence that …
/r/MensRights12/02/23 11:39 PM
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especially in the frequent cases where parenting is far, far, FAR less work and effort than their normal jobs I just want to point out, it was only a brief period in history where women were staying home with the kids and not having much to do, thanks to the invention of machines and materials that turned the full-time job of maintaining a home into a series of chores that can be completed in the evening, something that feminists often forget. It's not that women were forced to stay home by oppr…
/r/MensRights12/02/23 04:03 AM
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It's so blatant and insufferable.
/r/MensRights12/02/23 03:51 AM
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Not sure what the point of the square rectangle thing was, since many feminists are also men.
/r/AntiFeminists12/02/23 03:20 AM
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After a quick glance, I don't think she's entirely wrong, but my word does she take it too far. I don't think men are exploited by having to work any more than women were exploited by staying home with the kids. I certainly think women have conditioned men to act certain ways, but is this really predatory on women's part? Still, I get the appeal of this book to MRAs. We aren't used to extremists opinions on our side, we aren't really used to anyone being on our side. And no, lurking feminists, m…
/r/MensRights10/02/23 12:17 AM
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People said the exact same sort of thing when Zac Efron had plastic surgery, and I think that might have been due to an injury. People generally don't feel that much sympathy for rich famous attractive people who use surgery to improve or extend their attractiveness. People see it as greedy, like these genetically gifted pretty people just can't be satisfied and demand more, only to instead screw up their appearance. Some people like to revel in the fall that comes after what they perceive as pr…
/r/MensRights09/02/23 11:57 PM
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Let's assume that it's true that men cause more accidents per mile. We do also know that men commit most of the violent crimes (excluding sexual crimes and domestic violence). It seems pretty clear that something about men brings some level of danger. How do you change men without possibly removing an aspect of men that also makes them far more likely to protect other people in danger even at their own risk, more likely to work dangerous jobs that are vital to society, more likely to pursue ambi…
/r/MensRights09/02/23 01:22 PM
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"Human" or "humanity" or "humankind" did not derive from the word "man," it derived from the Latin word "humanus," which referred to people in general. I don't think the fact that "guys" has started to become a more gender neutral term indicates that we live in some sort of patriarchy. I also don't see how the most common religion in the West having a male deity is patriarchal. Men are not God.
/r/MensRights08/02/23 11:39 AM
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China's influence is hanging by a thread. I'm not saying they aren't a threat, but their general incompetence has trashed their country and I wouldn't be at all shocked if a collapse is coming.
/r/MensRights07/02/23 12:51 PM
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Speculation about what? The only thing I speculated about is that I think the Democrats' "failure" was actually intentional, a mere attempt to save face. You want me to provide a source proving that politicians engaged in manipulation before you will consider that politicians may have engaged in manipulation? What kind of source would be acceptable and possible? A confession? I'm not counting on any politicians publicly admitting that they've done what I'm accusing them of. Why would they? It's …
/r/MensRights07/02/23 12:52 AM
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Thank you! Finally someone get's it. We don't need "body positivity" to include men, we need to restrict it to people with disabilities or abnormalities that are not under their control, because those people actually do deserve to feel some positivity about their bodies.
/r/MensRights06/02/23 12:49 PM
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What I've found is that it's usually impossible to change someone's mind instantly, but they might change their mind in a few weeks, months, or years based on what you say. People will reject the ideas of others that conflict with their own, but after some time it becomes a faded memory, and they don't associate it as strongly with you, they just have a sense of the idea. It then feels more like their own idea, it's no longer an ego wounding memory of the time you proved them deeply wrong about …
/r/MensRights05/02/23 12:33 AM
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You make it sound like it would be easy to convince men to care about men's rights. That will be only slightly less difficult than convincing women to care about men's rights. What's stopping us? We have no power. The people who do have power despise us. This isn't me being black pilled, this is me saying we have work to do and we have to play the long game if we want to change anything.
/r/MensRights04/02/23 11:25 AM
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It depends on what you want. If you want to be the top 0.000001% then yes, you absolutely need luck and a lot of it. If you want to live a fulfilling and successful life, then that is within your power. Personally, I'm not mourning the fact that I almost certainly won't ever be near the top 0.000001%.
/r/MensRights04/02/23 02:33 AM
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If sarcasm could be called a mental illness.
/r/MensRights02/02/23 01:04 AM
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I love pointing that page out to feminists.
/r/MensRights02/02/23 01:04 AM
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Here is one of my favorite sources on the matter. Absolutely recommend everyone read it.
/r/MensRights01/02/23 10:50 PM
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From wikipeia: According to an unquoted source in The Outlaw Bible of American Literature, on June 3, 1968, at 9:00 a.m., Solanas reportedly arrived at the Hotel Chelsea and asked for Girodias at the desk, only to be told he was gone for the weekend. She remained at the hotel for three hours before heading to the Grove Press, where she asked for Barney Rosset, who was also not available.[42] In her 2014 biography of Solanas, Breanne Fahs argues that it is unlikely that she appeared at the Chelse…
/r/MensRights01/02/23 03:37 AM
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If memory serves, she was originally targeting her male publisher, but when that became impractical she shifted targets. I think she may have even attempted to kill more than just Warhol.
/r/MensRights01/02/23 02:03 AM
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Yes, but you se, that was mental illness. So it's different, school shooters aren't mentally ill.
/r/MensRights01/02/23 01:29 AM
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She wasn't even originally targeting Andy Warhol.
/r/MensRights01/02/23 01:28 AM
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commenting to keep track of this post.
/r/AntiFeminists30/01/23 02:07 AM
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“It is against all existing laws and a very serious act. It is a surgical procedure and it is strictly prohibited to do it without consent.” Oh I seriously wish.
/r/MensRights29/01/23 06:30 PM
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That's not how I understood what OP is saying. You may have seen the recent VICE panel of women on feminism. The feminists on that panel only ever talked about "as a black woman" "as a latina woman," "as an unattractive woman," "as a trans woman" "as a woman of color," "as a disabled woman," and so on. Any time one of the non-feminist women would ask what barriers women face, the feminists would respond "as a woman or as a woman of color?" When pressed to answer as women the response was "that i…
/r/MensRights24/01/23 10:59 PM
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Not necessarily, it's mostly used to absolve women of responsibility for the worlds problems. The difference is subtle, I suppose.
/r/MensRights24/01/23 12:48 AM
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just because he didn't word himself the way you believe he should be wording in 200 or whatever characters, you (and others) go on a rant and call him sexist. First of all, he isn't limited to a single tweet of 200 word on any given issue. He can tweet again on the same topic, and he did, and he used it to double down, because the issue isn't that he's inarticulate, I don't just have a problem with how he said it, I have a problem with what he said. Go look at what he said and tell me it isn't s…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 10:10 PM
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It is the less masculine men, IE. "soyboys", effete, often gay/bi or trans, who seem seem to not empathize with men's issues AT ALL
/r/MensRights22/01/23 02:31 PM
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Besides, I think you can interpret Matt's words more as a voice against adoption of any kind of homossexual couple than specifically saying only gay couples should not adopt. Children need both a dad and a mom, I'm pretty sure Matt would agree with this. I don't think you can interpret his words that way, he was very clearly targeting men on this one. Sure, based on other things he's said elsewhere, we can assume he's also against lesbians adopting, but he's apparently especially against gay men…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 05:29 AM
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he absolute Vast majority of parents would be more comfortable with a woman watching their kids over a man. I'm not upset because Matt said that most parents wouldn't trust their kids with men. While this is true, it's only a statement about what opinions most people hold about men, it isn't actually saying anything about men themselves. What I'm upset with Matt over is his statement that men shouldn't be allowed to be parents without female supervision. This is just misandry, there isn't truth …
/r/MensRights22/01/23 01:32 AM
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I do agree with a lot of conservative ideas, certainly more than with the progressives. I used to consider myself a conservative, now I'm closer to a libertarian. Just like men tend to perform better and be preferred for physical labour, women tend to perform better and be preferred for caring roles such as babysitting. Is this really true? I mean yes, men are physically taller and stronger than women, but are women really better at looking after children? Matt isn't actually talking about babys…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 01:29 AM
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Cool, agree, but I wasn't pulling a tu quoque, I was accusing you of hypocrisy. I was pointing out the inconsistency of defending feminism while condemning the MRM for something they both do. The only way I'd see for this to not be hypocrisy on your part is if you go around accusing feminists of being anti-men's rights. Maybe you do actually do that, but somehow I doubt it. You're right, any random person being a hypocrite isn't a defense of MRAs, and it is true that some MRAs depend more on emo…
/r/MensRights21/01/23 08:14 PM
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It makes me think of the recent panel of feminist and antifeminist women. Every time the antifeminist women would ask the feminists what barriers women face, the feminists would respond "as a latina woman," "as a woman of color/" "as a trans woman," "as a disabled woman," "as an unattractive woman." and so on and so on. Feminism didn't adopt a hardcore intersectionality because it cares about people who are actually disadvantaged, it did it to appropriate these issues. It's a deceitful tactic to…
/r/MensRights21/01/23 07:57 PM
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I'm a wealthy, educated and ranked as top 2 Olympic weightlifter in my country with 14 years of fitness experience. Objection, relevance. I think MRA does more harm than good because it doesn't use science or logic to solve real world issues but instead uses emotion, personal stories, and simply things that happen with big enough numbers either way; to deliver a story of victimhood First of all, are you suggesting feminism doesn't do this? If you aren't suggesting this, then I'd imagine you migh…
/r/MensRights21/01/23 06:58 PM
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it is true more gay men are feminists I think most gay men are just very politically interested. You notice them in politics more often, and while most might be left leaning, the ones who aren't are still very noticeable, considering how small a part of the general population they are. So while there may be way more gay men who are feminists than there are gay men who are MRAs, that's probably just because there are more feminists in general than there are MRAs. This doesn't help anyone determin…
/r/MensRights21/01/23 06:42 PM
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often gay/bi or trans, who seem seem to not empathize with men's issues AT ALL. What now? I've seen plenty of gay and bi men on here. I am one. If anything, I've seen a slightly disproportionate amount. Neither you nor I have taken a poll, we simply don't know how gay and bi men are represented in the MRM.
/r/MensRights21/01/23 06:36 PM
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I'm not even surprised. Men are always the collateral damage in these sorts of issues. Ben Shapiro is the same way. both are perfectly wiling to throw men under the bus to take a shot at LGB and trans people, who also don't deserve to be targeted.
/r/MensRights21/01/23 03:32 AM
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"Name 3 rights that men have that women don’t" "Yep. You completely missed the point of understanding equality. Thats not how equality works these days. There’s a difference between ostensibly granted the same rights and able to actually realize those rights. Your teacher would understand that. You clearly do not, which is why it did not meet the requirements." These people really teach children. They cannot name any rights men enjoy that women do not. Meanwhile, MRAs can name rights women have …
/r/MensRights20/01/23 11:56 PM
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There are so many obvious ways this is insane, I'm not even going to expend the energy figuring out which way is the most retarded.
/r/MensRights20/01/23 11:50 PM
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Good grief, I knew teachers could be prejudiced and arrogant, but that's just extremely blunt bigotry. Still, props to the student for sticking to her guns.
/r/MensRights20/01/23 12:34 PM
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it is unsurprising that attitudes to abortion generally depend not so much on concerns about the fetus How does one become so out of touch? How many rocks are these authors living under?
/r/MensRights19/01/23 01:26 PM
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Check out Doctor Randomercam.
/r/MensRights19/01/23 12:46 PM
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It's centered around men's rights, not men's voices. Plenty of the most influential MRAs are women, such as Alison Tieman, Karen Straughan, Hannah Wallen, and Erin Pizzey. I found the MRM primarily through Karen and Alison, women aren't just tolerated in the MRM, most of us desperately want more women involved, both as activists and as casual supporters.
/r/MensRights19/01/23 12:30 AM
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Hey mods, I dare you to remove this post. What's it going to be this time? "Spam?" As for OP, thank you for writing this. Regardless of whatever policy the mods might randomly decide to employ here, I certainly welcome posts like yours, if for no other reason than the potential to have a conversation with someone who may not consider themselves an MRA. I also really wish more people were like you, able to recognize their feelings without endorsing them and trying to spread them. It takes guts. I…
/r/MensRights19/01/23 12:26 AM
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You're right, judicial activism is dangerous. My word, you know what's a textbook case of blatant judicial activism? Roe v Wade, as it turns out.
/r/MensRights18/01/23 01:25 AM
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Maybe I'm not the right person to respond to this, because I'd also kinda prefer if posts like this weren't on here, but I can also see why MRAs would be frustrated with how this is spun as a "women be so oppressed" story, when it really isn't like that. Everyone I've ever heard talk about dress codes has insisted that dress codes are only more strict for women, which is absurd. Dress codes are generally slightly more strict for women in informal settings and much more strict for men in formal s…
/r/MensRights17/01/23 12:47 PM
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So many people seem to have no understanding of what was said here. People seem to think Peterson is saying that women are asking to be harrassed by wearing makeup, or that women are guilty of sexual harassment if they wear makeup. That's not what he said at all. What he was doing was using an extreme example to make a point. Wearing makeup is obviously acceptable. You can show up to work in makeup and it is not sexual harassment, but Peterson's point is that it is sexual. Showing up to work nak…
/r/MensRights17/01/23 04:03 AM
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I wouldn't say that competition is necessarily at odds with honest, productive, and amicable friendships. I've had friends where we regularly engaged in competition, and it made us both better and stronger, in fact, those were some of the moments where I grew the most.
/r/MensRights17/01/23 02:30 AM
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Historically a lot of drugs haven't been tested on women. Why is that? I'm genuinely asking, I don't know. I only have suspicions. I have heard that most lab rats are male because the male rats don't have as severe hormonal cycles that can screw with studies. I don't know if this would apply to humans. Also, would there be any ethical issues conducting drug tests on women who could be pregnant? Also historically women I'm more likely to be misdiagnosed or diagnosis take so much longer. Women are…
/r/MensRights12/01/23 03:43 AM
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Vomit inducing and purely retarded. This isn't even something you can just be mistaken about, this is outright lying.
/r/MensRights11/01/23 01:18 PM
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These people are detached from reality and have not ever thought for themselves on this issue. The evidence that they are wrong is all around them and readily accessible, but they never notice, they only know what they've been told about men.
/r/MensRights11/01/23 12:00 AM
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Red pill has taken on a lot of meanings. It is used in the context of the pickup artist community yes, meaning that is sometimes refers to men's understanding of their dating options. However sometimes taking the red pill means becoming right wing, or becoming anti-social justice, or becoming antifeminist. It basically means "waking up to reality," so in a sense it's kinda the non-leftist version of becoming "woke." Black pilled is probably used more often among non-progressive Leftists, but tha…
/r/MensRights10/01/23 11:57 PM
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Democrats are also pushing the ERA, which would also end gender-biased conscription. Are we talking about the ERA with or without the Hayden rider?
/r/MensRights10/01/23 02:55 PM
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Kinda like the red pill, except taking the black pill means "awakening" to the realization that everything is hopeless, there is no light, and you my as well lie down and rot.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 02:35 PM
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I'll preface by saying I generally agree, and I've been permabanned from r/conservative for daring to criticize Trump for saying there's a "war on women." I know how much conservatives suck on men's rights issues. However, as far as the draft, I do not buy that Democrats were trying to bring about equality. Here's what I think happened. A men's rights group got the courts to acknowledge that male only draft was unconstitutional. It went to the Supreme Court, but they said they would not rule on …
/r/MensRights10/01/23 06:48 AM
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I went to graduate school, I don't need to know how to spell.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 03:50 AM
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participants were asked to read a vignette depicting harm in the workplace. For this experiment, we specified the gender of the inflictor but left the recipient’s gender ambiguous. Participants were then asked to “recall” the gender of the harmed individual. Supporting our predictions, we found they were overwhelmingly more likely to assume that the harmed individual was female, even though we never specified any gender. People instinctively assumed a female victim! This is interesting. When I w…
/r/MensRights10/01/23 03:07 AM
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I'm not surprised by the study, what's blowing my mind is that this article is coming from a website called "Qu*** Majority." I've often found that MRAs are disproportionately LGB, but still LGB people are notoriously left wing and also notoriously feminist. This is really good to see.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 02:57 AM
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I'm not saying this to black pill anyone or to demotivate anyone to keep trying. Unfortunately, I think it's most likely that gender relations are done, possibly permanently. I don't think we're past the point of no return yet, but I think that in order to avert a cultural catastrophe we would need to make such a sharp u-turn that the g-forces might do us in. I think we are heading for what Karen Straughan calls a "Fempocalypse." That said, the one thing I think we have going for us is that men …
/r/MensRights10/01/23 01:19 AM
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it doesn't invalidate the study, but it might indicate where bias might be coming from should the study be determined to be poorly conducted. And guess what, the study was poorly conducted. "Hard work" was measure by one metric, steps taken per day. Not even distance walked, steps taken, because that's what amounts to hard work apparently.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 01:12 AM
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They measured who worked more with one simple metric. Who walked more steps in a day. I'm not even kidding. They didn't even measure distance walked, just how many steps per day. Specifically how many steps were walked per day by people in Tibet.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 01:10 AM
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Oh my word, I thought there just had to be more to it. I thought surely steps taken was just one of several metrics they measured to define who worked harder, but no. It really is this bad. These freaking morons actually have the political advantage? How? How is feminism not a universal laughing stock when it's backed by "researchers" like this? I honestly shouldn't even be surprised, this isn't the worse thing I've seen from feminist academia.
/r/MensRights10/01/23 01:07 AM
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Here's a post I wrote a while back on the wage gap. I've exclusively looked at studies used by feminists to claim that there is a discriminatory wage gap. These studies are cited everywhere, and there's a good chance that if you see a feminist offering a source, it will lead back to one of these. I didn't just look at the executive summary of these sources, I looked at the methodology to see if they support the claims feminists assume the do. Spoiler alert, they do not. It's an important part of…
/r/MensRights09/01/23 03:36 AM
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And on that day, nothing new was discovered.
/r/MensRights09/01/23 12:47 AM
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Okay, kinda not cool to have that in public, the kids are watching. Honestly though, who cares. No men were harmed in the creation of this... whatever it is.
/r/MensRights08/01/23 06:31 AM
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What you are doing is incredible! This is the sort of thing I joined this subreddit to see, and I wish there was more of it.
/r/MensRights08/01/23 05:31 AM
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What do you think women should do differently? I'm not sure what you mean, or what prompted this question. I've never suggested that women need to do anything differently, I don't know that I've ever suggested women do anything, because women aren't a single entity capable of consistent action. I have suggested that feminism take a different approach, I think it should cease. Most of feminism is a reaction to how the most dangerous men treat us and in reality, how most men look the other way (be…
/r/MensRights08/01/23 05:15 AM
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That's what happens on this subreddit, yes. That's kinda just reddit in general, petty complaining, especially about personal anecdotes. It's a platform designed for low-effort and short content. The men's rights movement is not limited to Reddit, in fact this sub is a very small part of the MRM. Even just as far as social media goes, youtube has been much more important to the MRM, and MRAs on youtube are not 90% complaining about experience with women. Same goes for feminism, most of it has no…
/r/MensRights08/01/23 04:28 AM
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Whenever I see feminists and other opponents of MRAs explain what they think men's issues are, they always seem to suggest that that it's just, "Men are sad and commit suicide because they always bottle up their emotions and try to act tough and masculine, and if they would just stop with the ToXiC mAsCuLiNiTy then men wouldn't have any more issues and they would also stop victimizing women and children." This is a manipulative attempt to appear to care about men's issues, while also distracting…
/r/MensRights08/01/23 03:48 AM
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Can't say I see many trad cons here, I mostly just see MRAs criticizing them.
/r/MensRights08/01/23 03:36 AM
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My initial reaction was basically, this could be helpful to maybe a small hand full of people here, but I had some skepticism. There's a tendency for critics of the MRM to argue that men's only real problem is that they suppress their emotions which makes them cause problems for women and children, and if men could just get their act together and learn that it's okay to cry then the world would be perfect for men. Now this isn't what this guy is saying. He is saying that men need to learn to be …
/r/MensRights07/01/23 04:49 PM
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Obligatory Karen Staughan video. From Honey Badger Radio ​ Also, my least favorite. Try to watch this without understanding how someone could fly a plane into a building. As much as I hate this video, it's important, and I don't know how Mike managed to watch the whole thing. I only could because he was there to rage with me.
/r/MensRights07/01/23 12:40 AM
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No one has a right to food, shelter, clothes (at least not a right to have it provided), or especially intimacy.
/r/MensRights06/01/23 03:49 AM
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I'm not sure how we are supposed to do anything about it, not having sex isn't a men's rights issue.
/r/MensRights06/01/23 12:40 AM
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Hey mods, kindly stop removing posts by feminists. It wasn't causing any harm, and I don't especially like that we're apparently no better than the feminists when it comes to silencing opposition. I don't know what you think you're accomplishing.
/r/MensRights03/01/23 11:28 PM
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It happened again. This time I don't think the poster was trying all that hard to understand us, it's more that they were trying to tell us that we're wrong, and he or she had a bunch of poorly thought out arguments with no support behind them. They weren't rude or obscene, certainly not hostile. I really don't see the reason why the mods removed the post. It could have been a good opportunity for us to respond to a feminist, and while I don't think we could have changed this feminist's mind, th…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 11:26 PM
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Women are more straight than men due to this, and these men are not straight because take sex away and they prefer men in everyway. Take sex away and women still like men. Women who hate men hate them as backlash against misogny, not because they see men as incapable, inferior, etc. I don't actually know where you got this impression from, have you talked to men or women? Have you conducted any research? The research has consistently shown that women have an in-group bias in favor of other women…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 05:59 AM
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Interesting, Ill definitely look into that book. I think I like you're approach, though I'm usually not so careful about not wanting people to feel black pilled. I don't know how to convince people to stop mutilating boys while still trying to hold their hand and use innuendos to spare them the full reality of what's been done to me and many others, and maybe to them. I don't want people to feel violated, but I also don't think the feelings of men who have already been circumcised are more impor…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 03:43 AM
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I think could be a great topic. It's one where there is a significant disparity between what the research has shown for decades (gender symmetry in victimhood and perpetration) and what the general public assumes to be the norm (patriarchal terrorism). It's also a convenient time to discuss this, many people will remember the recent Johnny Depp trial. It also allows you some flexibility as far as how you want to deal with feminism. If you don't want to explicitly criticize feminism, you don't ha…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 03:22 AM
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It is a men's rights issue, and a human rights issue, because men's rights are human rights. In the West, FGM is rightly banned, as are other forms of MGM, male circumcision is the only legal form of genital cutting. As such, non-consensual genital cutting disproportionately affects men and boys in the West, by a massive margin. Since this is an issue that affects primarily men and boys in the West, we call it a men's rights issue. Even if you don't see a problem with being "circumcised" (prepuc…
/r/MensRights03/01/23 03:06 AM
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The way I see it, we're on the verge of moving into stage 2, but we're not there yet. Focus on social issues seems to come in waves. From 2012 to 2015 it was LGB issues. From 2015 to 2018 it was on feminism, antifeminism, and men's rights issues. From 2019 to 2021 it was on race and police brutality. In 2022 and today the focus is on transgender issues, and more focus is starting to be placed on LGB issues again as well. We are also seeing more focus on abortion, but interestingly that hasn't br…
/r/MensRights01/01/23 08:35 PM
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We very often get posts on here saying things like "All you guys do is challenge feminism, you never actually do anything for men's rights." Then you come in here and say: You people don't do anything to challenge the credibilty of some feminists, all you do is come here and talk about mens issues, We also get a lot of posts saying "all you guys do is post news stories or anecdotes about ways some individual men have been screwed, which doesn't prove that men are discriminated against, do someth…
/r/MensRights01/01/23 03:53 PM
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So white men went from about 20 to 26, while white women went from 5 to about 7. About the same for Native Americans, Asians, Hispanics, and Blacks stayed about the same. Objectively, the suicide rate for men increased by 6 points compared to the women's 2.5 points. Not only is the rate for men much higher, but the rate for men increased more than the rate for women. So how did they claim that the rise in suicide rate was particularly bad for women? I'm guessing it was something like, the rate f…
/r/MensRights31/12/22 06:35 PM
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As a gay man, not only does it not bother me, I actually like it. I even think that to an extent it can be healthy. It's good to be aware of just how beautiful human bodies can be, I hope people can use it as motivation to embody that sort of beauty. I don't like the hypocrisy of many feminists on the issue, nor do I approve of the augments that only women are objectified, or they're objectified more, or it's somehow different when it's done to women. I literally got in an argument on here recen…
/r/MensRights29/12/22 02:14 AM
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Women don't like men who are too masculine? I'm not letting the network off the hook on this one, they are definitely trying to impose their opinion on the audience to at least some extent.
/r/MensRights28/12/22 03:37 PM
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Legally she's not guilty, but that doesn't mean she's innocent. No court of law rules that someone is innocent. Also, we know that the justice system isn't perfect, and in particular there has long been a well-researched gender bias in the criminal justice system that makes it prone to incredible leniency toward women. I agree, if she was found not guilty in criminal court than she cannot be imprisoned, even if she deserves it. I still hope the father takes her to civil court.
/r/MensRights28/12/22 03:32 PM
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I don't think women would feel safe in a world without men. Men are overall a net positive force as far as women's safety is concerned. Without the protection provided by men, that sense of security we are all able to enjoy would fall apart. And yes, I'm pretty sure women feel rather secure. Have you ever seen how most wild animals act? Most are vigilant 24/7. I don't buy that women are as paranoid and skittish as most animals. Stop exaggerating your fear to use it as a weapon against men. We ca…
/r/MensRights27/12/22 02:16 AM
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Alright, which is it? Do you have poor reading comprehension or a short attention span that keeps you from reading to the end of my comment? Please direct your attention to the last paragraph of my previous comment, copied below for your convenience: ​ Most human behavior isn't all that conscious anyway, over time these things just get set into culture, and even into our biology. This is why all that stuff I talked about in the first paragraph still matters, even though today things ae very diff…
/r/MensRights27/12/22 02:09 AM
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Explain how objectifying women and Asian women in particular is okay. White men accuse Asian men of being patriarchal and misogynistic and yet here we have one saying it’s fine to reduce women to mere sex objects without her own identity. Oh my word, where to begin. Who said I'm a white man. I've never stated on reddit that I'm white, though I have stated I'm male. It's interesting that you decided to assume that. Also, I don't accuse Asian men of being patriarchal or misogynistic, so I have no …
/r/MensRights26/12/22 08:37 PM
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Why is it that the bar for men is so high to be considered partner material, but for women just their beauty? Easy, because sexual encounters are much more risky for women than for men. Women risk pregnancy, which is an enormous life changing commitment, whereas men risk wasting an hour on a subpar encounter. As a result, women are inclined to feel more guarded, they withhold from sex more than men, and as a result, they become the limiting factors in sexual pairing. Women need to have high stan…
/r/MensRights26/12/22 07:37 PM
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How is that different from objectification? Also, who is this "they?" White men? It's not just white men in media who portray white men as sexually attractive. And when it comes to sex, men tend to be very individualistic, seeing every other man as competition. Men usually don't try to make themselves seem attractive by portraying other men as attractive. The people making the casting decisions and setting the requirements for the look of the people we see in media aren't usually the same people…
/r/MensRights26/12/22 07:20 PM
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I mean I'm with you, but I've definitely gotten into zero physical altercations talking crap about Logan than a lot of sports fans have over disagreements about whichever random thing. I don't think sports is meant to tame men, first of all, it doesn't, and second, men don't need taming.
/r/MensRights26/12/22 12:58 PM
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So does western media also objectify and sexualize white men?
/r/MensRights26/12/22 12:43 PM
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I get why western media would make white men seem more attractive, but why would it make asian women seem more attractive?
/r/MensRights25/12/22 03:46 AM
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I'm a gay man who is almost exclusively attracted to white men. I don't think it has so much to do with racial social constructs as it has to do with physical features. White people are more masculine, Asian people are more feminine, so it's not really surprising that white men are considered the most attractive men while asian women are considered the most attractive women. I know some would argue "whiteness is only seen as masculine because of the white supremacist patriarchy," but I don't thi…
/r/MensRights24/12/22 02:08 PM
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I'm not sure what your point is, the mere existence of posts telling us we focus too much on feminism is proof that we focus too much on feminism? The lack of posts telling us we focus too much on trad cons means we focus too much on feminism? I think I'm misunderstanding something.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 12:43 PM
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but we haven't talked about what specific rights men should have and how to implement them Have you been paying attention? The heading isn't "How women oppress men". Most MRAs don't think women oppress men.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 11:07 AM
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Here's the thing though, we do talk about the other hurdles. It's pretty common to see MRAs here criticizing trad cons, because trad cons are almost as bad for men's rights as feminists, although trad cons never attack MRAs like feminists do, they just ignore us.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 11:05 AM
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I admire the ferocity with which feminists seem to be motivated. They're fighters, I'll give them that. Shame there isn't a single redeeming quality to appreciate about what they fight for.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 01:25 AM
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Talk about men's rights without talking about the major hurdles to achieving men's rights.
/r/MensRights23/12/22 01:10 AM
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Oh I know. The races are fun, but they're only held a few times a year and aren't exactly inexpensive. People would be so much healthier is there were actual public places for adults to be physically active aside from just running around the block. Another more masculine thing I love doing is this game some of my friends and family and I play. We go to a park, usually around night, and it's basically a mix of tag with multiple people being it, and dodgeball. You tag people by hitting them, and j…
/r/MensRights22/12/22 02:01 AM
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I love obstacle course racing. It's so nice to just get dirty and expend some energy.
/r/MensRights22/12/22 01:44 AM
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That video is gold. Everyone should watch the entire thing.
/r/MensRights19/12/22 11:49 PM
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It does look weird, but I don't think it was photocopied, I think it's just been compressed a few too many times. Kinda like a game of telephone.
/r/MensRights18/12/22 07:18 PM
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I wouldn't say Tom Holland isn't masculine, it's more accurate to say he's a bit neotenous. Sure, women are more neotenous than men. I'm not saying there isn't an argument in there somewhere, but Tom Holland has a sort of masculine neoteny.
/r/MensRights17/12/22 12:06 AM
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It has it's perks, but also downsides. Gay men are notoriously left-wing, something like 80%. With that comes a lot of feminists. Gay men are men too, they have the same instinct to be protective of women and I don't actually think gay men have an in-group bias in favor of other men the way women have an in-group bias in favor of other women. I can't lie though, it feels liberating not having to worry about starting a fight with a partner who would feel personally offended just because I don't t…
/r/MensRights16/12/22 02:21 AM
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The recent incident I was thinking of was a 15 year old boy. Also, this isn't a male only space, it's not even an MRA only space. It's the internet. r/AskMen is not a good forum if you want to ask questions of MRAs, as the overwhelming majority of those on that subreddit are not MRAs.
/r/MensRights16/12/22 02:17 AM
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Which subreddit rules did it break? Add to the fact he is also a low karma account suspecting brigading is far from out of the question Add to the fact he is also a low karma account suspecting brigading is far from out of the question. If it were a two day old account with no post history, I'd agree with you. It's a three year old account with many posts. If you want to learn you also don't respond to awnsers with "why care?" That is blatantly disrespectful and a extremely clear sign they don't…
/r/MensRights15/12/22 01:18 PM
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There are, but there's a particularly bad situation with them coming from Mexico. For one thing, the evil people from Mexico are the cartels, meaning they are organized, and often even more powerful than the Mexican government. I don't think Trump pointing that out implied that he thought we should do nothing about murderers and rapists in our own country, but the cartels do pose a particular threat. I'd recommend looking a bit into Los Zetas.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:22 PM
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I've seen posts by feminists who come here with genuine questions get banned after being accused of trolling by a few hysterical and unhinged MRAs. I've seen well researched and highly informational posts by MRAs get removed with no explanation, even when they had nothing to do with race (the one I'm thinking about was about the Brooklyn Bridge). Mods just suck, no matter which subreddit they are from.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:12 PM
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So how are we supposed to talk about discrimination against white men? We have to ignore it and thus allow it because "the ethnostate guys" might also say that discrimination against white men is evil? I don't think "the ethnostate guys" are as much of a problem as you think. They really aren't that common. If the mods are capable of banning posts that so much as even mention white men, they can ban specific comments that are racist. Wouldn't that be preferable? This is a small subreddit, it isn…
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:09 PM
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Sure Jan, the reason you don't find men as hot as men find women is totally due to men being awful, and not female sexuality being vastly different from male sexuality. By the way, their sample sizes were N = 677 and N = 396. Obviously representative, right? I'm a gay man. I've talked to straight women. I don't believe for a second that they are attracted to men to the same extent that I and other gay men are. Most of them will say so themselves. Funnily enough, I don't see men not doing the lau…
/r/MensRights15/12/22 05:27 AM
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The mods here love banning things for seemingly no reason.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 05:19 AM
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My understanding of the book was that the handmaids were impregnated against their will, and that this was not only socially acceptable, but legally enforced. Even if abortion is banned nation-wide from the moment of conception, it still wouldn't resemble the handmaids tale, not even close.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 04:23 AM
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Yes I agree, I've been permabanned from r/Conservative for daring to criticize Daddy Donald for saying there is a war on women. However, he wasn't wrong about the rapists and murderers coming from Mexico. There are some genuinely evil people down there, and I mean demonically and irreparably evil people. I don't think conservatives dropped antifeminism as early as you think, they were totally against feminism in 2018 when #MeToo was going after Kavanaugh. Things changed in 2021/2022 when they de…
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:25 AM
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Shoe0nhead is one of the women who first got me interested in antifeminism. She's one of the few anti-SJWs who isn't willing to throw men under the buss to own the trans people. I have my disagreements with her, even as it relates to gender issues, but overall she's great.
/r/MensRights15/12/22 12:08 AM
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How is it relevant to the overturning of Roe v Wade? Does it actually make any compelling arguments supporting the pro-choice position? If the point of the book is to delivery an interesting fictional story, then it doesn't need to say anything about the current political arguments between the pro-choice side and the pro-life side. But many seem to try to extend it's purpose beyond an interesting fictional story and make it out to be some sort of relevant political commentary. Maybe that's what …
/r/MensRights14/12/22 11:56 PM
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Haven't read it, so I don't really have an opinion on it. If I had to fabricate an opinion based on what I've heard about it, I'd say it was weird that I'm supposed to care about an ideological version of a wife being mad at her husband because of something he did in her dream, because if he was better she wouldn't have had a dream like that. We get it feminists, you imagined a fictional story and now you're going to slap us in the face with it, because you wouldn't have been able to imagine a f…
/r/MensRights14/12/22 02:51 AM
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I know it's a thing, but I don't get it either. Women's sexuality is a total mystery to me, I think sexuality in general is something you have to experience for it to make sense, and male sexuality is just so different it seems.
/r/MensRights12/12/22 05:22 AM
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Here's something to consider, if it was a weaker man or male teenager, just pestering a clearly stronger man with somewhat mild slaps or whatnot, and the stronger man responded by actually punching him, that would be considered normal and justified. That is in fact what happens, although physically weaker men usually don't start fights like that with some guy who can beat them up, because unless they are actually stupid they know that if they assault another man they will not be treated lenientl…
/r/MensRights12/12/22 03:30 AM
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Argued without evidence, and dismissed without evidence.
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 04:07 AM
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I don't know, that's kinda sweet. I don't think I'd get in a car with a stranger, so someone taking steps to put their date at ease is rather nice. I'm against the vilification of men, and I'm definitely against exaggerating the steps someone takes to stay safe as a means of vilifying men (the old "I have to keep my keys between my fingers, have my friend constantly monitoring my location via GPS, and have the FBI do a background check before the date, because if I don't take these reasonable st…
/r/AntiFeminists10/12/22 02:32 AM
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Can you type more than three words at once?
/r/MensRights10/12/22 01:08 AM
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What makes you think this person isn't genuinely here to ask questions and to challenge us? He seemed entirely genuine to me. And what's wrong with being ignorant? If he doesn't know much about MRAs, then who better to ask questions of than MRAs? Would you rather he just listen to and believe whatever feminists have to say about us? The comments here from MRAs have been disgraceful. All lazy and unproductive. I tried making an argument, and OP responded reasonably. I made another counterargument…
/r/MensRights09/12/22 11:40 PM
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What makes you think this person isn't genuinely here to ask questions and to challenge us? He seemed entirely genuine to me. The comments here from MRAs have been disgraceful. All lazy and unproductive. I tried making an argument, and OP responded reasonably. I made another counterargument and was eagerly waiting for his response, but I suspect he was banned, which really sucks. If y'all want to be lazy to spend 20 minutes writing down an actual argument, fine. You aren't obligated to argue wit…
/r/MensRights09/12/22 11:38 PM
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What makes you think this person isn't genuinely here to ask questions and to challenge us? He seemed entirely genuine to me. The comments here from MRAs have been disgraceful. All lazy and unproductive. I tried making an argument, and OP responded reasonably. I made another counterargument and was eagerly waiting for his response, but I suspect he was banned, which really sucks. If y'all want to be lazy to spend 20 minutes writing down an actual argument, fine. You aren't obligated to argue wit…
/r/MensRights09/12/22 11:38 PM
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You mean "intrsectionality?" I do understand it, which is how I came to the conclusion that this is a matter of both transphobia and misandry. I don’t get you can’t comprehend that I can't comprehend it yet because you haven't articulated it.
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 11:11 PM
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Here's one. Originally it said "removed by moderators," now it says "removed by Reddit." I don't remember exactly what it said but it was something to the effect of "I don't get why y'all hate women, you could actually solve men's issues if you allied with feminism instead of attacking it." It was a rather typical comment from someone who doesn't know anything about the MRM, and it could have been a great chance for us to make our case. It's really easy to point out that there's a difference bet…
/r/MensRights09/12/22 01:15 PM
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Is transphobia I don’t get you can’t understand such a simple thing Listen buddy, I keep calling it transphobia. For example, earlier I said: The people... who are transphobic enough to murder trans women think of trans women as just degenerate men. ​ She goes on a date dude realizes she is trans kills her, bcs she is a trans woman. True, and thus, in the eyes of a transphobe, not a real woman. These people aren't targeting who they perceive as real women, they are targeting what they consider m…
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 05:51 AM
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I'm convinced that you have some sort of mental disability and I'm not saying that to be mean, I'm saying it's the only reason I'm not making fun of you right now. I simply don't think intelligent people think like you do, because you seem to have zero reading comprehension. You can’t talk about them as if they were men that’s just tone deaf and shows you don’t understand what you are talking about. Listen, because this is important, and I don't want to have to say it again. I never said that tr…
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 05:43 AM
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It dosent matter if the person that kills a woman thinks she isn’t, It does matter if you are trying to explain what motivated the killer. For example, if the murder didn't know that his or her target was trans and couldn't have possibly known, then it wouldn't make sense to say that the murderer was motivated by transphobia. Similarly, if the murderer incorrectly thought that a cis person was trans, and targeted the cis person based on this incorrect assumption, then we could still say that the…
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 04:59 AM
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I have to admit, I'm starting to get very frustrated that you aren't making any effort to understand what I'm saying. I don't think I could possibly explain it any more clearly, and while the frustration has me on the verge of saying some unkind things, I'm holding back because I don't think you're being dense intentionally. So, how would you answer the question I posed earlier: "Are they killed by people who consider them to be men or by people who consider them to be women?" Also, may I ask wh…
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 04:52 AM
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I've seen level-headed feminists who post here get banned and have their posts removed. I don't think the mods here are as bad, but they still often suck.
/r/MensRights09/12/22 03:20 AM
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You might think that, I might think that, but I'm willing to bet that the kind of person who would murder someone for being a trans woman probably doesn't think that. The people who want to exclude trans women from women's sports and who are transphobic enough to murder trans women think of trans women as just degenerate men. In their minds, they are targeting men. This could very reasonably be called an expression of misandry, especially given that these people don't express the same hostility …
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 03:10 AM
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Are they killed by people who consider them to be men or by people who consider them to be women? I think you entirely missed the point of my comment.
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 02:31 AM
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Trans women are demonized by people who see them as men and heralded by people who see them as women. Trans men are infantilized by people who see them as women and kinda ignored by people who see them as men. Being perceived as a woman seems to result in better treatment than being seen as a man.
/r/AntiFeminists09/12/22 12:48 AM
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Some MGTOW are definitely like that, but some MGTOW also consider themselves MRAs. Doctor Randomercam is one such example though he seems to focus much more on men's rights than MGTOW. Some MGTOW argue that the system needs to be fixed, as MRAs argue but in the meantime while the system is broken, they take the MGTOW route in their own personal lives. Either way, MGTOW is not the same things as men's rights activism.
/r/MensRights09/12/22 12:27 AM
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I have a problem with men embracing femininity as a means of condemning or criticizing masculinity. I don't have a problem with men embracing femininity because they feel it best suits them as an individual. I don't know which of these describes Harry Stiles, and I don't care enough to find out. He's not someone I usually turn to for serious cultural or political arguments. The great thing about men is that most of them are quite masculine and always will be. We don't need literally every man to…
/r/MensRights07/12/22 09:26 AM
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He didn't say Harry was as masculine, he said he was as much of a man. Masculinity is a spectrum, you can be more or less masculine. Being a man is not a spectrum you either are a man or you are not.
/r/MensRights07/12/22 09:19 AM
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Overall a rather good article. I would disagree with how this is phrased: Not all men’s rights activists — a broad label used to describe members of an amorphous movement — are as thoughtful as Peter. There are noxious online chatrooms that are genuinely harmful. In August 2021, Reddit banned the forum “Men Going Their Own Way” (MGTOW) which boasted white-nationalist users. Incels (involuntary celibates), another offshoot of the so-called Manosphere, have been responsible for terrorist attacks i…
/r/MensRights07/12/22 09:15 AM
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"It's not my fault I'm an awful person, all men are like that." Absolutely sickening. These pathetic men are perfectly happy to throw all men under the bus to excuse their own crappy behavior.
/r/AntiFeminists07/12/22 07:19 AM
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This is what happens when you don't listen to what MRAs say. Gynocentrism isn't a gender swapped version of Feminism's Patriarchy, Gynocentrism is a part of human nature. Humans are naturally predisposed to not care about Men and it translates to all walks of life. I was internally screaming this exactly. This guy doesn't even know what gynocentrism is, but he knows it's a buzzword and that we shouldn't use it. Instead we should use "Plain Language," such as the word "shibboleths." Unbelievable.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 11:27 PM
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I agree. For example, I’ve criticized her for her argument that girls are aborted in China because only male children are required to financially support parents, leaving parents with the choice between a male retirement plan or a potentially life-long female dependent. As far as I’ve been able to determine, Chinese law requires both male and female offspring to financially support elderly parents. I think Karen got this wrong, however my criticism isn’t the same as yours. I don’t even understan…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:17 PM
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We get it, you're one of the people with a month old account repeating the line that Karen is unoriginal and people were saying the same thing long before her. I should look up work from the 90s, because that stuff was real, and I should stop living in the past of 2015-2019, because that's all over. Whatever good intentions current MRAs had, they've been undone by their insistence on spreading around lots of barely-baked ideas I thought our problem was our lack of originality, now our ideas are …
/r/MensRights06/12/22 12:31 PM
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causes like shared parenting legislation and criminal justice reform, we must again question the wisdom of making these things gendered problems, rather than American ones which affect everyone-men and women alike-adversely. Seriously? Are you going to accuse me of being unoriginal if I point out that research shows that men face 63% longer incarceration sentences for the same crimes compared to women? I mean I know the paper I cited is from 2012, and research has shown this for several decades,…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 12:18 PM
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I don't think "Karen Straughan calling a staff writer at BuzzFeed a cunt on Twitter" captures the amount of important work she did and what she accomplished. I'm a huge Karen Straughan fan and I didn't even know she did that. Also, I think that if men did what women did at the women's march, it wouldn't turn out well for us. People are biologically inclined to see men as more threatening than women. If you get a bunch of men suddenly out on the street acting angry, we will be condemned as danger…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:46 AM
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I think part of the reason for the decreased interest in the MRM is the decreased interest in gender issues more broadly. Ever since 2020 it's been all about covid and race. Even Karen Straughan, who was talking about men's issues long before it was common, took a long break to focus more on covid policy, and she hasn't returned to posting videos other than live streams with the Honey Badgers. Now the hot issue is trans people and abortion, however this renewed interest in gender issues isn't th…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 04:23 AM
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Does our sexuality remain the same, because if so, as a gay guy it would be interesting suddenly being straight. Imagine the size of the dating pool! But really, there's no one I'd rather be than who I am, regardless of any extra hurdles.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 12:53 AM
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Third paragraph of my original comment, which states: And that's just from looking at this practically as a political tactic, more importantly, there are undoubtedly numerous people who just lost a friend or a loved one. Those two girls certainly didn't deserve this. I don't know the details of how bad his situation was, but I feel confident that it wasn't worse than the outcome that we now have. I'm not sure what the meaning of your response is, yet again.
/r/MensRights06/12/22 12:38 AM
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What about that is wrong? Was it wrong to think if this in terms of political advantage, because what really matters is the personal loss of human life? If so, I'd point out that I acknowledged that the personal human loss is of more importance. Refer to my third paragraph. Was my comment wrong because you don't think he intended for his suicide to be a political tactic? Because while I would agree, I think the way he carried it out so publicly indicates that there was some intent for his decisi…
/r/MensRights06/12/22 12:17 AM
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To bring what up exactly?
/r/MensRights05/12/22 07:43 PM
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Honestly, I don’t even have a clue what this is based on. Was there something in particular in my comment that you object to?
/r/MensRights05/12/22 07:41 PM
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I have conflicting feelings about this. Obviously he felt trapped and wanted to escape while also using his suicide to raise awareness of this situation to keep it from ever happening again. I know this is rater obvious, but suicide is not the solution to issues like this. Did he raise awareness? Probably. He also jumped in a very public place and apparently someone was 10 feet from where he landed so someone is now traumatized. I bet the wife and school now feel a bit guilty. Still, that wasn't…
/r/MensRights05/12/22 01:43 PM
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How is this body positivity? Seems more like just making fun of bodybuilders.
/r/MensRights04/12/22 02:39 PM
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The top 0.1% of America is made of men, so any problems that men have are their own fault. How many people at the top of society have been MRAs? How many have been feminists? I don't care if all the CEOs, Presidents, and Senators have been mostly men, none of them have been MRAs, while many have been feminists. I'd rather have a female MRA in a position of power than a male feminist. Simple having more men in positions of power does not mean that they've built society to favor men. Men don't hav…
/r/MensRights04/12/22 01:21 PM
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Karen Straughan Typhon Blue Hannah Wallen
/r/MensRights03/12/22 06:35 PM
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SCOTUS is just like everyone else, they don't want gender equality in the draft either, and will happily accept any excuse to avoid doing their job and enforcing the constitution on this issue.
/r/MensRights03/12/22 06:33 PM
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98% of the time I hear people talking about ending the draft, it's in the context of a conversation about whether women should also be drafted. The general public, and especially politicians will have no interest in ending the draft as long as it only threatens men. Require women to register and I promise the draft will be abolished within a generation.
/r/MensRights03/12/22 03:16 PM
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SCOTUS won't rule on it if Congress is considering the issue. So expect Congress to consider it again next year, but scrap it at the last second. Both parties are working together to protect women from equality here.
/r/MensRights03/12/22 03:15 PM
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Okay mods, what gives? Why remove this post? How does removing this post protect this subreddit or advance men's rights? And before anyone accuses me of being a feminist sympathizer, check my comment history. I'd prefer to hold this subreddit to a higher standard, and y'all are really disappointing me.
/r/MensRights02/12/22 01:28 PM
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Finally, someone gave a real response. Apologies for the others, but we usually get posts like these weekly, and often not in good faith. Admittedly I was tempted to just copy paste an old response of mine, so I get that others might be tired of it, but what would be the point of this sub if we didn't take comments like yours seriously? I think that when you think of feminism you think of a 19 year old on twitter saying kill all men, and not the centuries of protest behind that term to get us ev…
/r/MensRights02/12/22 12:40 PM
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I'm willing to bet you hate the Nazis. I don't point that out to argue that feminists are just as evil and genocidal as the Nazis, they aren't, but like the Nazis, Feminists are united by ideology. Same as climate activists, same as Socialists, same as Marxists, same as Pro-Lifers, and so on. Ideologies are not above criticism, hating an ideology, or even it's ideologues, is not like hating classes of people, like men, black people, children, lefties, or bisexuals. I don't think anyone has no ha…
/r/MensRights02/12/22 03:14 AM
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I'd just like to point out that Alison Tieman is the leader of the Honey Badgers, and while Karen is absolutely amazing, Alison is such an underrated warrior.
/r/AntiFeminists01/12/22 02:30 AM
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It does say that 1,958 domestic violence related suicides occur annually in the US, and the graph on slide 4 suggests that the number of female deaths killed by a partner each year has been under 2,000 for about two decades, but are we sure that men are more likely to kill themselves than to kill their partners in cases of domestic violence? I think for that we would need to know how many of those 1,958 suicides were men, which this post doesn't provide. Sure, in general men commit suicide more …
/r/MensRights29/11/22 01:21 PM
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Something interesting about slide 4, it shows that today there are far more female deaths caused by a partner, but this wasn't the case in 1975, and presumably before. It's not even that the number of female deaths has gone up, it's been going down, but the number of male deaths has gone down significantly more. So why have male deaths gone down more than female deaths since the 70s? It's been well known for a long time that most domestic violence is mutual, both partners are violent. Around the…
/r/MensRights29/11/22 01:16 PM
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I thought men benefitted more from marriage, a horrible patriarchal institution designed to make women men's servants. Same with hookup culture. So men benefit the most from hookup culture, they benefit the most from marriage, they benefit the most from divorce. It seems like any interaction at all between men and women is more beneficial for men. So if we men want to be fair, what are we to do? Avoid relationships with women, like MGTOW? Well that's also sexist. Women just get a raw deal every …
/r/MensRights27/11/22 04:57 PM
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Seriously, the reason so many of these mass shootings happen is because of the media. They plaster the shooters' names and manifestos all over the country, and the shooters get the visibility that they want. If the media was actually responsible, when a mas shooting happened they would report the facts but censor the name of the shooter and keep the manifestos off the internet as much as possible, because otherwise it's just providing an incentive for people who feel disenfranchised to commit an…
/r/MensRights27/11/22 05:03 AM
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I oppose abortion because I consider it to be murder. This position has nothing to do with my advocacy for men's rights. I support legal paternal surrender, which you call "paper abortion." I've seen a lot of people recently using the terms "paper abortion" and "financial abortion." I think this is a term we should avoid for the following reasons: Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 06:35 PM
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This is the most important thing MRAs can be doing. We aren't at a point where we can make big political moves yet, that requires being able to get your message out to the public, who generally have other things to be busy with and short attention spans. It takes time to lay the groundwork before you can use short, concise arguments that the public can understand, and this sort of thing really helps lay the groundwork. I wish this subreddit was less about minor grievances and more about strategi…
/r/MensRights25/11/22 03:13 AM
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I wonder how many people have been saved by men. I don't even just mean people saved by men from other men, but also from fires, natural disasters, accidents, animals, etc. Why is it that we only ever see people talking about how much damage men have done, and not how much they have protected? I wonder if this woman would consider men a net positive or a net negative. Also, is it even possible to change men's nature to remove the small part that leads to violence without also removing the part t…
/r/MensRights24/11/22 10:59 PM
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I wonder how many people have been saved by men. I don't even just mean people saved by men from other men, but also from fires, natural disasters, accidents, animals, etc. Why is it that we only ever see people talking about how much damage men have done, and not how much they have protected? I wonder if this woman would consider men a net positive or a net negative. Also, is it even possible to change men's nature to remove the small part that leads to violence without also removing the part t…
/r/AntiFeminists24/11/22 10:53 PM
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I'm a gay man, and while I do think that adds some extra challenges, I also often feel very fortunate to not be a straight man. I don't come across as gay, so people assume I'm not which means I have a sense of how people treat straight men, and it's not pretty. I don't think the fetishization of straight men, as discussed in the posted video, is really that big of a deal. I think the vilification is worse. But really, it's not a competition. Why should we ignore the problems straight men are fa…
/r/MensRights23/11/22 07:50 PM
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But did she ever consider herself a feminist?
/r/MensRights21/11/22 03:33 PM
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Was she actually a feminist?
/r/MensRights21/11/22 01:20 PM
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Men are more likely to be attacked while in public than women are. It's not that men are safer, it's that men aren't as afraid of violence. Even men who have been victimized in the past aren't as afraid of violence as women who haven't. How did we interpret men sucking it up and having some courage as "men are just privileged?"
/r/MensRights20/11/22 09:25 PM
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I made another comment explaining in general how I think you could have handled the situation, but here I'll address your arguments. She argued that men are privileged because they can walk around at night without fear of being attacked. She's full of it. I would have pointed her to to a 2012 report by the US DOJ which says "In 2010, males experienced violent victimizations by strangers at nearly twice the rate of females (figure 2). The rate of violence against males by strangers was 9.5 victim…
/r/MensRights20/11/22 09:22 PM
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Here's what I've learned from arguments over text: Never respond immediately. What's going to end up happening is you're both going to start typing something, then the other will text something and you'll want to respond to that, and then by the time you do they've made another argument, and you end up scattered all over the place, unable to finish a coherent argument. Trust me, no one is impressed that you responded immediately. It's not going to look bad if you take some time, it will make you…
/r/MensRights20/11/22 09:15 PM
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Honestly, I'm not impressed by either of you.
/r/MensRights20/11/22 09:02 PM
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It seems like the main argument behind this article is "1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted, so it's a travesty that not nearly as many men are held accountable." Two big issues with this: If one man was able to assault 500 women, then why would we expect the number of of men held accountable to equal the number of victimized women?" The "1 in 5" figure has been repeatedly debunked. It's a lie.
/r/MensRights17/11/22 11:19 AM
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What's the point of criminalizing murder? I guess what's the point of having a legal system at all by that logic.
/r/MensRights11/11/22 12:18 AM
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I know the popular narrative is that "the clear majority of pro-lifers are male, men just want to control women's bodies," but that really isn't true. Polls have generally shown that it's about even, with men and women both being about evenly split between being pro-life and pro-choice. I've seen multiple polls indicating that women are slightly more likely to be pro-life than men are. It's very similar to what happened with women's suffrage. Most people think that men were opposed to it, while …
/r/MensRights10/11/22 11:25 PM
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Criminalizing murder didn't stop murder. Laws don't put a total and absolute stop to the criminalized activity, that isn't the point.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 10:59 PM
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You'll find that men are just as divided as women on this issue. Some men, such as myself, are pro-life. Others are pro-choice. There's no consensus among men, and there's also no consensus among MRAs, though if I had to guess I'd assume that a majority of MRAs are pro-choice.
/r/MensRights10/11/22 10:56 PM
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I agree with you, but you probably should have backed up your arguments with statistics. This video breaks down some of the numbers on gendered violence rather well, starting around the 9:20 minute mark.
/r/MensRights04/11/22 09:59 PM
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The fact that it's so obviously a human rights violation is exactly why it doesn't get talked about. Imagine you're a doctor who performs or recommends circumcision, or a parent who has had their son circumcised at the professional advice of a doctor. All you ever wanted was to do the best thing for your patients and/or children, and you genuinely believe that circumcision was beneficial, because that's all you've ever known. One day someone suggests that circumcision is actually harmful, or at …
/r/MensRights02/11/22 10:22 PM
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I didn't say that they didn't engage in double standards. They believe in equality. They are also feminists, and as such usually support ideas that are incompatible with equality. It may not be consistent, but that's often because these people are feminists casually. They aren't activists, they don't constantly analyze their own ideology, they're just regular people who have lives that keep them busy and on occasion will agree that they are feminists because as far as they are concerned, being a…
/r/MensRights02/11/22 10:08 PM
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MRAs talk extensively about this. You might not see so many posts about it here in part because there are other subs specifically dedicated to this, which many of us also frequent. Also, it's not a particularly complex issue. Obviously non-consensual body modifications are a human rights violation, what more is there to debate? As such, there's not much else to say here that isn't just repetitive preaching to the choir. We'll still post new stories about how 14 men in Kenya were abducted and for…
/r/MensRights02/11/22 11:43 AM
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A lot of feminists do genuinely believe in equality. The problem is that these ae just the everyday feminists you meet on the street, these aren't the feminists who actually have power and influence. The feminists who matter, the ones that guide the movement, are driven by only one idea: women are oppressed by men. These are the dangerous ones. In a way it's good news, it means we can find allies in the majority of people who genuinely want equality, but there's usually still the business of pro…
/r/MensRights02/11/22 11:38 AM
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For crying out loud, masculinity doesn't need to be fixed!
/r/MensRights30/10/22 06:05 AM
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particularly when we understand the definition of feminism to be the assertion that everyone is deserving of rights, regardless of gender. " Who understands that? Not me, that's for sure.
/r/MensRights29/10/22 12:42 PM
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The most important thing is to be ready to counter research that your opponents will likely bring up. I wrote a postthat might be helpful. It breaks down some of the papers feminists most commonly cite.
/r/MensRights28/10/22 09:01 PM
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I don't think this was designed as lip service, and I do think this was in many ways a very successful documentary. I've shown people this documentary and it's made them much more open to men's rights. The problem is that not many people have seen it, and that's partially just because there aren't many documentaries that get the kind of widespread attention needed to instantly change an entire political landscape, and also there was a strong effort by feminists to limit the amount of people who …
/r/MensRights25/10/22 11:21 AM
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I've seen a lot of people recently using the terms "paper abortion" and "financial abortion." I think this is a term we should avoid for the following reasons: Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start. With Roe overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrende…
/r/MensRights23/10/22 08:50 PM
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Honestly thank heavens I'm gay, and not Russian.
/r/MensRights23/10/22 02:39 PM
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I can see two reasonable arguments here. Abortion is murder and she should not have the right to an abortion. Abortion is not murder, this is a personal matter for the mother an she should have the right to chose. I don't think there's a third option where the father has the final say. I mean sure, I'd hate to be in his position, but there's no scenario where it's his decision. Though if I were him, I'd at least be happy that his unborn child is going to live.
/r/MensRights21/10/22 09:48 PM
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No there isn’t an issue with people defining what a women is You sure? it doesn’t have anything to do with men’s issues True, although I do wonder why it is that conservatives always ask "what is a woman," and never "what is a man." They use this issue to perform the age old defender of women routine, and thus they perpetuate the narrative that women are under threat from those dangerous men, when in reality, trans rights goes both ways, advocating for the rights of both trans men and trans wome…
/r/MensRights21/10/22 11:37 AM
2

My point exactly.
/r/MensRights21/10/22 07:18 AM
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I don't think the disproportionate rate of women initiating divorces has anything to do with women, or men, specifically, I think it has more to do with the fact that the system really disincentives men from pursuing divorce, whereas it may in some cases actually incentivize women to pursue divorce.
/r/MensRights21/10/22 12:06 AM
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Which man hasn't been bombarded with unsolicited requests for help by women? I'm serious, I've lost track of how many women have stopped me in the grocery store asking me to get them something from the top shelf, or to move something into their car and other such things. I actually don't mind it, but if we really wanted to dwell on petty grievances with the opposite sex, I don't think it's clear that women are going to emerge as the next top victim.
/r/MensRights20/10/22 10:31 PM
1

It's a 4 day old account. How much do you want to bet that Mr. trash1 and OP are in the same room right now?
/r/MensRights20/10/22 11:36 AM
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It's a 4 day old account. I'd bet money that it's an alt account used by someone who opposes MRAs who's planting homophobic comments in an attempt to make us look bad. However it's getting downvoted, so it's not really working.
/r/MensRights20/10/22 11:33 AM
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I'm a gay MRA. I've actually noticed that MRAs are disproportionately LGB, I've never thought "why aren't more gay/bi men supportive of the MRM?" Straight boys bully gay boys, gay boys find refuge in girls circles. At least majority of the time. Maybe a majority of the time, or maybe not, I don't know. I do know that this wasn't my experience. The worst homophobia I've encountered has almost entirely come from older religious women, and I've gotta say, I would never use that as a basis for my op…
/r/MensRights20/10/22 11:26 AM
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Are feminists not responsible for the Duluth Model? Are feminists not responsible for the vilification of men by promoting the narrative that women are oppressed by men?
/r/MensRights18/10/22 04:53 PM
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I dont [sic] get this sub, some posters actually talk about real problems , but the mayority [sic] of you seem to be more concerned about being as antifeminist as possible, Spoken as if those are at odds with each other, or as if one doesn't depend on the other. your [sic] are hostile to it because of ignorance and misconceptions I tend to appreciate when feminist (I'm assuming you are one) are willing to engage us. I know it takes some guts, so I hope no one here is scaring you off, because I'd…
/r/MensRights18/10/22 04:50 PM
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In case it wasn't clear, I'm not on board with either Josh Hawley or Andrew Yang. Both claim to care about men and masculinity, but my whole point is that this isn't enough. Trying to help men doesn't mean that you're going about it the right way. I'm not convinced that Andrew Yang's approach is going to actually help men any more than Hawley will. Again, I brought up Hawley in response to "beggars can't be choosers."
/r/MensRights18/10/22 04:44 PM
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Karen Straughan (obviously) Dr. Randomercam Honey Badger Radio Typhon Blue
/r/MensRights18/10/22 03:10 PM
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I don't think w really disagree here, but I don't think the guy in the interview meant the same thing you're talking about when he talked about how it was a good thing that the male script had been destroyed, because as you say, the role of men as provider hasn't been destroyed, just diminished in respect. I think that what he's suggesting is that the traditionally male script was to be an entitled, domineering, oppressive, patriarchy enforcer. It feels like rather backhanded support, "we want t…
/r/MensRights18/10/22 03:03 PM
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Josh Hawley has also written a book talking about the so called "crisis of masculinity." I mean, he also opposed conscripting women, but he talks about male issues. Beggars can't be choosers, so we should all vote for Josh Hawley!
/r/MensRights18/10/22 02:53 PM
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Those countries are certainly oppressive, and women are oppressed in specific ways that men aren't, but those countries also impose obligations and burdens on men. There's a reason many Muslim women argue that Islam is a feminist religion.
/r/MensRights18/10/22 11:26 AM
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Karen Straughan's video "fempocalypse" talks about this, and I think you may be right.
/r/MensRights18/10/22 11:20 AM
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That's the script for women. What is the script for men that was destroyed?
/r/MensRights18/10/22 11:19 AM
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Who said anything about going back to the "good old days?" I want very much to move forward but not with feminism. Feminism is as an idea so widely believed to have had good effects that "going back" will be much more controversial than "going forward". I'm not afraid of controversy nearly as much as I'm afraid of losing my principals. Feminism is damaging our society, I know most people don't think so, but most people are wrong, and feminism won't stop damaging society if we just pretend that i…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 10:00 PM
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I'm skeptical. First of all, I want elaboration on what is meant by "postfeminist world." Does this mean a world that recognizes the dangers of feminism and rejects it? Or does it mean a world where feminism has won entirely and accomplished all its goals, and is thus no longer needed? More importantly, they lose me when they say that the old "script" for men has been torn up "for good reason." This especially needs elaboration, what "male script" was harmful and needed to be destroyed? I would …
/r/MensRights17/10/22 07:52 PM
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At this point I think you might just be messing with me, and I'd rater you let me in on the joke because I'd rather laugh with you, I don't want to make fun of someone's disability. When nothing else this man's does is satire Do you have any amount of reading comprehension? I gave you a bunch of examples of him presenting himself satirically in the same place where he satirically called himself a "theocratic fascist." Some of what he does even outside of his twitter bio is satire, like how he al…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 06:31 PM
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When did I ever suggest that he was hacked? Point to me where I even insinuated that! You know perfectly well that what I did was point out that his bio is entirely satirical, and you know I'm right. I know he put it in his bio, and I know, as well as you do, that this doesn't actually indicate that he considers himself a "theocratic fascist," just as it doesn't actually indicate that he's a women's studies scholar. You are being dishonest. Cease.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 05:30 PM
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See the Duluth Model for an example of feminists in power who are "pushing stupid fucking narratives and roles that seem to be preventing change." These are the people making policies and setting mainstream narratives, they aren't random nobodies. But sure, Matt Walsh is the one in power who's ruining men's lives by telling them not to cry too much.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 05:22 PM
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Self proclaimed fascist? Let me guess, you're referring to his twitter bio which says "Theocratic fascist, bestselling children’s author, translucent rights advocate?" His bio which has also at different times referred to him as a biologist" and a "women's studies scholar?" He's not actually a women's studies scholar, in fact he seems to have a low opinion of women's studies. He's also not actually a biologist, in fact I don't think he even went to a university. He's also not actually a "translu…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 05:19 PM
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I think it's a misconception that MRAs just blame all of men's problems on feminism. We definitely blame them for many problems, and for good reason, but I suspect that feminists only see that side of us because they don't usually pay close attention. They only know us from when we debate feminists, encounter them at protests, argue with feminists online, so that's all they know us to do. MRAs have a long history of also fighting against trad cons. I probably spend 75% of my reddit time on this …
/r/MensRights17/10/22 05:12 PM
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That's all I ever wanted or needed, and that's support enough for me.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:51 PM
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I seriously don't understand why that Psychology Today article was so fascinating to all the people desperate to take a massive dump on men. The article wasn't interesting it didn't back up it's arguments, and was just noting but "men are the problem because I say so." I mean "skills deficits?" Like what? The article only mentions "emotional availability, good communication, and shared values." First of all, since when is sharing someone else's values a skill? As for emotional availability and g…
/r/MensRights17/10/22 04:48 PM
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I haven't kept it a secret here that I'm a gay MRA. I've never encountered anything other than full support from other MRAs.
/r/MensRights17/10/22 03:02 PM
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But I said that they are sending men because they are the best chance they have to win the war. They are not an expendable resource in a war they are a valuable one. Hence its not misandry. Valuing men only as cannon fodder is like valuing women only as sex objects. Maybe you can make the case that you can value a woman for her sexuality while also valuing her for her humanity, but that's because there isn't necessarily a conflict between someone's humanity and their sexuality. You don't necessa…
/r/MensRights16/10/22 09:23 PM
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I assume this is a response to the question I posed at the end, which was "What's the logic behind conscripting only men?" I guess I could have been a bit more clear. What is the logic behind conscripting men into the military but not conscripting women by forcing them into pregnancy to create more soldiers? I get that men are better at fighting and women are uniquely capable of giving birth to children, but why not force both to perform the tasks that they are best suited for? Why are only men …
/r/MensRights16/10/22 07:43 PM
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Feminists didn't invent misandry, and misandry is not exclusive to feminists. As much as feminists like to accuse us of only ever targeting feminism, they only do that because they don't actually pay any attention to what we do, and if they did they would see that we constantly criticize trad cons as well. For example, you may remember that Republican who was running for congress who tweeted "Men are meant to be expendable. Women are not." Now I don't think he was motivated by feminism, and he e…
/r/MensRights16/10/22 09:27 AM
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"Misogyny kills women, misandry just hurts men's feelings." Sure thing misandrist.
/r/MensRights16/10/22 12:35 AM
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Well you don't seem to have anyone else's support here, so I wouldn't act like my support is entirely disposable.
/r/MensRights15/10/22 01:59 PM
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Never mind, looks like you have already. This is one of about two dozen of your random proposals, is that right? So you just spam these hoping to find a community that might actually buy any of this?
/r/MensRights15/10/22 08:58 AM
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Hard pass. Take your weird cult elsewhere.
/r/MensRights15/10/22 08:29 AM
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Congress could have done this last year. They were supposed to. Congress is currently controlled by Democrats. Yes, Republicans were the ones who vocally opposed a gender equal draft, but they didn't actually have any power. Democrats simply let Republicans take the fall, and Republicans were happy to oblige.
/r/MensRights12/10/22 11:10 PM
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People raised in middle and upper class families can afford good nutrition and so the people less likely to end up homeless are able to reach their full potential height.
/r/MensRights12/10/22 10:40 PM
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As soon as I grew a beard an no longer looked like a teenager I started having security show up when I was just minding my own business. I didn't even have unkempt hair or anything, so it's not like I looked homeless, just like an adult male.
/r/MensRights12/10/22 10:38 PM
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MRM arguments and publications utilized pseudo-academic language that mirrored the language of gender studies as a way to gain legitimacy, but they lacked the peer review or acceptance by the larger gender studies academic community to make their claims mainstreamed. Oh, so we are assuming that the peer review process lends some sort of credibility to academic feminism and gender studies? I would have thought the Grievance Studies Affair would have dissuaded people of that delusion. If anyone th…
/r/MensRights11/10/22 11:47 PM
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You'll definitely need to prepare to counter the sources your opponents will bring up. I wrote a post awhile ago explaining the flaws in some of the most commonly cited papers by feminists, which I recommend. A lot of these studies are very manipulative, and if you aren't prepared to point out their flaws, it will be easy for the feminists to win the debate when they don't deserve it.
/r/AntiFeminists07/10/22 12:48 AM
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There's been a lot of talk, especially among feminists, about creating a new positive masculinity. As an example, take this video by ContraPoints which essentially argues that men don't have any systemic issues, MRAs are whining about useless issues, and we could actually help men by creating a new positive masculinity. It's the old, "men's only real issue is that they bottle up their emotions, and that's their own fault." I'm generally skeptical of talks about masculinity, because they are ofte…
/r/MensRights06/10/22 10:38 PM
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"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression." These feminists think they're living under a glass ceiling, when they really live in a glass house, and then they throw stones like this quote thinking that since it doesn't aim at the ceiling they'll be fine. It's all so perfect.
/r/MensRights04/10/22 10:29 PM
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I don’t know that I would have called myself a feminist, I wasn’t actively engaged in feminist organizations or feminist groups, but my opinions were basically: “Feminism is good and anyone who opposes it is an idiotic misogynist.” Then I met a woman who openly criticized feminism, and I was shocked. I mean, she clearly wasn’t a misogynist, so how could say that? That sent me down a rabbit hole, I ended up finding YouTube videos, both pro and anti-feminist. At first I mostly only looked at video…
/r/MensRights04/10/22 05:57 PM
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So someone who can't get a date is a trauma victim?
/r/MensRights01/10/22 02:21 PM
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So what do you expect women to do? cause they're in the same situation.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 11:23 AM
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if you're ugly you don't stand a chance unless you're also rich and/or lower your standards.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 03:13 AM
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I find it kinda difficult to feel sorry for incels, though I don't know too much about them, they seem drenched in a deep victim mentality. I'm not saying they may not have it rough, but they don't seem to actually want to do anything about it. They don't even want to hear that it's possible for them to get their life together, they just want to find solace in convincing each other that life sucks and will always suck. You can't help people who wont help themselves.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 03:11 AM
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However, it is difficult to surmise why someone has to come up with a counter movement to women’s movements, and demean all the feminists to fight discrimination when gender-based oppression of both women and men stems from the same root – The Patriarchy. It is difficult to surmise why someone has to come up with a counter civil rights movement to the KKK., and demean all the clan members to fight discrimination. Here's the thing feminists, I don't buy for a second that your movement hasn't targ…
/r/MensRights01/10/22 12:36 AM
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Sure AOC, women are totally "conscripted." What's appropriation again?
/r/MensRights01/10/22 12:10 AM
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Never thought I'd see Tate and Jordan Peterson so casually grouped together.
/r/MensRights01/10/22 12:03 AM
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M en R gainst A sians ?
/r/MensRights30/09/22 10:27 PM
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One thing to note, the data set they used does contain information about occupation and industry, but it's extremely undetailed (only 23 broad occupational categories and only 20 industries). This is so undetailed it's practically useless, but not entirely, which makes it interesting that the article you cited didn't use this data to attempt to control for occupation when assessing the wage gap. For reference, other studies have actually used more detailed categories, such a two studies by Glass…
/r/MensRights29/09/22 11:10 PM
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I don't necessarily disagree, but 18 year olds are right around the age where they're hyper focused on independence and are often still in the rebellious stage.
/r/MensRights27/09/22 12:56 AM
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Assuming everything else was fine between us, this might not be a bad thing. I'd find it kinda interesting to bounce my thoughts against someone else who wasn't prone to agreeing with me, and then doing the same for him (hi I'm the gay). It could lead to some great discussions, as long as we were capable of not letting it get between us. It's also just a good way to hold yourself accountable and to get out of the echo chamber. Now, I'm in a bit of a different situation from straight guys. Most w…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 11:13 PM
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I think it has more to do with the fact that 18 year olds don't have important jobs and don't have families of their own. They just don't have status, so who needs them? If you start sending off Husbands, fathers, and important workers, your war is about to be much less popular. It's definitely not about ability, I mean who would suggest that 18 year olds are as physically or mentally capable as 30 year olds?
/r/MensRights26/09/22 11:05 PM
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One of the biggest things that sets humans apart as a species is that we mature very slowly. Many mammals develop rapidly, some reaching full maturity in just a couple years, or even a couple months. It's why you can see videos of some newborns, barely an hour old, running around. This is especially common in prey species where long periods of helplessness would mean death. By speeding up the development process, these animals just aren't given enough time to develop the sort of brains that we h…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 11:01 PM
1

Most pro lifers are religious, Cool, most people in general are religious. which is ironic for many as the bible cites life to be breathen in at birth. I'm sure the Bible is fine with abortion, but I'm not. Anyway, religion is sex negative Depends on the religion and on the context, but yes, Abrahamic religion is definitely opposed to extramarital sex, but this in itself does not mean that "they just want anyone not married to be punished with an unwanted child." Are you even vegan ? The reality…
/r/MensRights26/09/22 10:51 PM
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"Men need to be more open with their emotions. Down with toxic masculinity!" ​ "Emoooootionaaaaal Laaaaaabooooor"
/r/MensRights26/09/22 11:41 AM
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It might be something comparable to the draft. When have you ever heard anyone argue that the draft needs to be abolished? I can say that 95% of the time that I've ever heard that it was after someone suggested that women should be subject to the draft as well and that it was unfair that only men be drafted. People don't get off their butts to make things better for men, they only care to make things better for women. This means that if you want to get something accomplished, make it involve wom…
/r/MensRights25/09/22 04:27 PM
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I think there's a consensus among MRAs that men have fewer reproductive rights than women and that this needs to be addressed somehow. I think MRAs tend to be more concerned about when fathers lose rights to children that they want, more than when fathers are forced into responsibilities that they don't want, though after the recent SCOTUS decision on Roe there was a surge of "we need paper abortions," which I think was ill-timed and ill-framed. Other than what we call legal paternal surrender, …
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:26 AM
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And by the way, most pro life people are mostly sex negative, so they just want anyone not married to be punished with an unwanted child That's gonna need a source. Besides, I was under the impression that a lot of women who sought abortions were married women who already had kids. Pro-lifers aren't suddenly fine with abortion in these cases because we still see it as the murder of a child. It's not about punishment, we don't just hate adulterers, and we also don't just hate puppies nd friendshi…
/r/MensRights25/09/22 11:15 AM
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It's not about what's "fair," it's about what's best for the child. Well isn't that convenient. Men have always been financially responsible for their children, that's the whole point of marriage. It used to be that in the case of divorce, default custody went to the fathers, specifically because they were financially responsible for the children. But the women's rights movement found this to be incredibly unfair to women. Children needed to be with their mothers, so they pushed for changes in l…
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:46 PM
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That's not true, because legal paternal surrender (the correct term for it) is not comparable to abortion, it's comparable to legal maternal surrender, which women have. Neither legal paternal surrender nor legal maternal surrender kill children, so pro-life MRAs have no objection to either.
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:38 PM
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It's "legal paternal surrender," not "paper abortion" or financial abortion." Paternal surrender is comparable to maternal surrender, which women have had for a long time and is not under threat. If you compare legal paternal surrender to abortion, not only is it a bad comparison, it also is ineffective, as half the country opposes abortion and they'll be unlikely to support whatever this "paper abortion" is. Meanwhile the other half of the country is likely to argue (correctly) that men's repro…
/r/MensRights24/09/22 06:36 PM
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I wouldn't hold that against them if they weren't insisting that feminism is about equality and that men's issues needed to be addressed strictly under the heading of feminism.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 11:18 PM
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when everybody is free to leave, the country may fall to Russia Oh no, not an evil government falling to another evil government.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 11:04 AM
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It still amazes me that men have one additional right in 3 states (Utah, Indiana, and Tennessee), and it's not even a right that anyone cares about, meanwhile there are multiple serious rights that women have over men, across the board, rights that can mean the difference between life and death, and yet the general public is still somehow convinced that women have fewer rights than men, even in the US.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:58 AM
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Why do Ukrainians owe their lives to their government?
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:51 AM
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The party that ingores the constitution when it's convenient for them. Okay, first I'm going to say that this is a men's rights subreddit, not a "Republicans suck" subreddit, or a "Republicans don't suck" subreddit. I generally don't like defending Republicans, but on this matter I feel rather compelled to do so. Which part of the Constitution do Republicans consistently ignore? You aren't just saying that Republicans do this, you are saying they are THE PARTY that does this, implying that Democ…
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:24 AM
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In some states, men can go shirtless and women cannot. That's literally it. There's nothing else. I wonder how many women would actually go shirtless in public given the chance.
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:16 AM
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Regarding your accusations about this sub, I don't entirely disagree, but I found this video by Karen Straughan on the topic to be interesting, and I suspect you would too. I do wonder why you say the Republican party has gone off the rails in the last two years. Republicans have been pro-life for as long as I've been alive, and Roe has always been a target, not just because it enabled abortions, but because it was a genuinely stupid decision. I understand being frustrated with both parties, tha…
/r/MensRights22/09/22 12:12 AM
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any completed or attempted unwanted vaginal (for women), oral, or anal penetration through the use of physical force (such as being pinned or held down, or by the use of violence) or threats to physically harm and includes times when the victim was drunk, high, drugged, or passed out and unable to consent. I have a question about this. If a man was held down and made to penetrate a woman against his will, is that not still "unwanted penetration?" It's penetration, and he did not want it. The lan…
/r/MensRights21/09/22 12:18 PM
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Feminism exacerbated men's issue and even made a few new ones, but it didn't start with feminism and even if feminism were gone tomorrow, male disposability would still exist.
/r/MensRights21/09/22 11:19 AM
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It's not just that, feminists are constantly advocating for women to be treated more leniently in the criminal justice system, because they argue that women are discriminated against. I live in Oklahoma where we recently had a feminist elected as one of our representatives (she lasted only one term). One of the issues that she talked a lot about was how unfairly women were treated by our state's criminal justice system, and how we really needed to help women. She argued that our state has the hi…
/r/MensRights21/09/22 10:51 AM
3

I'm an ex-feminist. I was sympathetic to women's struggles in the face of manspreading and sexist string cheese packaging, as well as sexist air conditioning, sexist literacy, and of course, sexist snow ploughing. However I quickly realized that feminists didn't have any solutions to fix Emma Watson's voice, which makes her sound like she's always on the brink of tears. I just couldn't support a movement that hasn't really accomplished anything, and just focuses too much of its time hating virgi…
/r/MensRights21/09/22 12:04 AM
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I think often, these people genuinely think they were what they claim to have been. I've seen so many people be all "I used to be alt-right, I mean I actually believed that the wage gap was a myth." They're completely deluded into thinking that that's all being alt-right or a fascist, or an an incel, or an MRA or whatever else actually means, which is also why they then accuse everyone and their cousin of being alt-right or a fascist, or an an incel, or an MRA. Take this comment from that thread…
/r/MensRights20/09/22 11:16 PM
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It was a lower court, and when it went to the Supreme Court they declined to rule on it because Congress was about to make a decision.
/r/MensRights19/09/22 05:44 PM
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This is an interesting one. A men's rights group took it to court which resulted in a ruling that the male only draft was unconstitutional. However, the Supreme Court said that since Congress was about to decide whether to require women to register, the Court would not intervene. Then, of course, Congress decided not to register women for the draft. Many feminists have argued that they do fight for equality in this area, and that they only failed because of Republicans. But look at it this way, …
/r/MensRights19/09/22 12:00 PM
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Wow. Karen Straughan was talking about this in her video "Fempocalypse." That was just over a decade ago. Everyone should watch that video.
/r/MensRights18/09/22 10:44 PM
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This is what I was going to suggest. There are so many examples of how misandry seriously harms men, such as how men face 63% longer prison sentences compared to women for the same crime, but the Duluth Model should be a clear cut case of how misandry doesn't just hurt men's feelings. Imagine being a victim of domestic violence, calling the police with the hopes of protecting yourself and your children from a violent partner, only to be the one who is arrested simply because you're male and thus…
/r/MensRights16/09/22 11:13 AM
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The reason why this matters is that feminists have been using this study for years as if it was somehow proof that women are discriminated against in the orchestra. Of course, they haven't only done this with orchestras, there are B.S. papers for just about every industry that claim to find proof of discrimination against women in said industries. This is intended to support the popular narrative that women are oppressed, even today, and men are privileged. How much progress do you expect to mak…
/r/MensRights15/09/22 10:35 PM
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I'm assuming the argument is going to be "misandry is really just misogyny backfiring on men." The other big argument will be "the hatred of men is not systemic the way that the hatred of women is."
/r/MensRights14/09/22 11:46 PM
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True, but feminists have done the most to enshrine this in statistics that become general public knowledge. See Marry P. Koss.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 03:04 AM
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I have no doubt that the rates of rape against boys are wildly underreported, but I simply do not buy that more boys are raped than are not.
/r/MensRights14/09/22 12:11 AM
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most boys lose their virginity to a rape That's a very bold claim and is definitely going to need a rock solid source for me to take it seriously.
/r/MensRights13/09/22 11:33 PM
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Most of us here seem to just be having fun making fun of it rather than getting butthurt. I don't know if you've been reading the other comments, but we're really just enjoying it.
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/22 09:33 PM
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This will require a reversal of the current trend in legal and social practices, which is to tolerate and encourage men’s unjustified violence against women while discouraging and legally restricting women’s violence against men. This is the essence of her paper right here. Of course women (and men) should be able to engage in self-defense, and of course men (or women) who commit unjustified violence should be punished. But this isn't controversial at all and is entirely in line with our legal s…
/r/MensRights11/09/22 02:49 PM
1

I have, but that doesn't usually refer to grey hair specifically. Often it's not about physical appearance at all (source: am gay man, and personal opinions are apparently useful data). When people talk about men ageing better they aren't talking about the majority of men who loose all the hair on their head (except their nose hair). People just don't often think of male pattern baldness and conclude that men age better. The thing is, men aren't just seen as attractive based on their actual look…
/r/AntiFeminists11/09/22 04:00 AM
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I love how the article states: Though ageism affects all older adults, women are subject to the greatest discrimination. And what's the source they provide? It's a piece of "research" which basically asked 80 women what they thought about how they were perceived for having grey hair. Seriously, that seems to be all they did. How on earth does this prove anything? They didn't even bother to ask any men how they thought they were perceived for having grey hair, so how can you possibly use this to …
/r/AntiFeminists10/09/22 12:06 AM
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In what sense? As related to men's rights/feminism or something else?
/r/MensRights09/09/22 11:54 PM
6

Well ignoring issues outside of feminism and men's rights, neither party is great, but at least the GOP doesn't legitimately hate men. They my be fine with sending men off to die in stupid wars, but really the Democrats are only slightly better on that front and the GOP won't spit on the graves of the men they send off. Trump has recently talked about the "war on women" and specifically mad a point of wanting to nominate a woman to the Supreme Court, essentially conceding ground on the idea that…
/r/MensRights09/09/22 11:53 PM
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I'm no expert, but If I had to guess I'd say that driving ability has more to do with experience than age, meaning that a 17 year old with two years of driving experience might be a safer driver than a 21 year old with only six months of driving experience. Kicking the can a little further won't help as much as they think. (Source: I got my masters degree before my drivers license) Being realistic, this isn't expected to pass. That's not the point. The point was to make yet another statement abo…
/r/MensRights09/09/22 11:36 AM
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I would say the vilification of men and masculinity. This isn't even something that just harms men, it's ripping society apart.
/r/MensRights08/09/22 12:25 AM
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What would you say makes you a feminist? The general answer is "I think men and women should be treated equally," but I've known plenty of people who say the same thing but also don't call themselves feminists or even call themselves anti-feminists. Also, it usually turns out that people who say they just believe in equality don't actually believe in equality across the board, just in certain areas. I think the "I just believe in equality" crowd is generally reasonable and well meaning, and whil…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:58 AM
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We've had many feminist presidents, but not a single MRA president. Ideology is far more important than the gender of the people in charge. Also, men don't have the same in-group bias that women do, in fact men have an out-group bias. I think a lot of women project their biases onto men. They think that if they themselves got into power, they'd use it to advance women, so surely men in power are likewise thinking to use their power to advance other men. But men don't work that way, it's just pro…
/r/MensRights06/09/22 12:42 AM
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People have already pointed out that he isn't anti-"LGBTQ+" but simply objected to legally compelled speech. That was what really made him a well-known public figure, but a lot of people don't remember that MRAs like Karen Straughan were talking about him and his work years before that. Personally, I think he's absolutely fantastic!
/r/MensRights03/09/22 10:24 PM
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Fathers don't have a "penalty" because rather than reducing work hours after becoming a parent, men tend to increase their work. Kids are expensive, the mother needs to recharge, and may want to stay with the kids.
/r/MensRights03/09/22 10:20 PM
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If he did serve he damn sure didn't see any action. "Expendable" wouldn't have come out of his pie hole. Couldn't possibly agree more. The fact that he served isn't a defense, it only makes his statement worse.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 01:18 PM
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It's been well documented that men don't have an in-group bias the way women do, in fact men have an out-group bias. I guess there's something to be admired in that ort of selflessness, but not when it extends to calling men "expendable." It's certainly eyebrow raising when you remember that this guy has a son.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 12:48 PM
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To be fair, I think he did serve in the military. Still doesn't give him or anyone else the right to throw all the other men who have served (or men in general) under the bus by calling them "expendable" just so he can try to win few political points by white-knighting.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 12:46 PM
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He may have lost his election, but remember that he did win on this issue. Republicans successfully blocked female conscription last year.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 12:42 PM
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Message from the future: he isn't. He just lost big time.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 03:57 AM
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Some of you may recall the statement from last December made by then Republican candidate Justin Waters, "men are meant to be expendable; women are not." He has since repeatedly doubled down on this, and has repeatedly contrasted himself against his opponent (a woman) who has not opposed drafting women. He had this coming big time. It wasn't even close. He won 9,047 votes. His opponent won 50,669 votes.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 03:45 AM
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You have to be a woman to know how men's and women's experiences compare. If you're a man, you only know what men experience and can't possibly understand how your experience compares to that of most women. Women see the whole picture, men see half, because we say so. Standpoint theory really is an interesting form of insanity.
/r/MensRights02/09/22 02:42 AM
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Are we talking about the ERA with the Hayden Ryder, which would require all laws be gender equal unless they benefitted women? The ERA measures equality the same way feminists usually do. Privileging Women is equality. Actual neutrality or privileging men is inequality. Don’t mourn for Maloney.
/r/MensRights29/08/22 10:05 PM
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Carolyn B Maloney has been one of those who constantly talks about the wage gap, so I'm enjoying her loss.
/r/MensRights28/08/22 04:14 AM
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I don't know if this is what he was talking about, but Christina Hoff Sommers wrote about this here.
/r/MensRights27/08/22 02:24 AM
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People with common sense are in short supply these days.
/r/MensRights24/08/22 11:12 PM
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Ever heard of the Streisand Effect? I think more than that, constantly banning and silencing people who are considered either rightly or wrongly to be distasteful or harmful tends to just make these people angry, it doesn't make them go away, and it certainly doesn't change them, or even limit their influence (again, Streisand Effect). It's counterproductive. I hope you've noticed that I've tried to appeal to your own interests, instead of appealing to principles. I'm just not sure if that would…
/r/MensRights24/08/22 11:08 PM
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Two words: MALE DISPOSABILITY. ​ As observed in the following: Male only conscription the Duluth Model (see arresting of male victims of dv) Discrimination against men in the criminal justice system Discrimination against men in the family court Women and children saved first in emergencies "100 killed in attack, including 12 women and children" (if you dismiss male deaths yu encourage male death) False rape statistics that define rape a something that men do, thus enabling male victimization (I…
/r/AntiFeminists22/08/22 01:39 AM
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Suffragettes died? Which ones? I've looked for evidence of this and the only example I've been able to find was Emily Davidson. ​ In case you were wondering, she died because she ran onto the track and tried to pin a banner on the king's horse in the middle of a horse derby, like a complete idiot, and was run over by the horse and died days later. The horse jockey was apparently overcome with grief over seeing her getting obliterated, and this caused him to later attend the funeral of another su…
/r/AntiFeminists22/08/22 01:30 AM
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It may help to note that any feminist can easily plant such comments on here to make us look bad, and there have been known instances of this occurring. And yeah, moderators try to find those comments and remove them.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 07:12 PM
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I’ve been here a couple years and I don’t recall ever seeing that phrase used even once. I mean I’m sure it’s on this sub somewhere in whatever context, but it isn’t anywhere near common enough for me to ever notice.
/r/MensRights19/08/22 07:10 PM
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Don't be such a narcists. You pro-choicers always act like it's already been decided that the future belongs to you, as if the world has decided that you are right and a consensus has been reached. That's why you waltzed into a subreddit that has nothing to do with abortion and just presumed that everyone here would agree with you. That's why you're now acting like it's shocking that I would call abortion murder, as if you've never heard anyone say that before and it's somehow unusual. We know w…
/r/MensRights14/08/22 01:25 AM
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The only clues given in the article are that he's talking about "communication skills" and that families aren't teaching these skills to boys, apparently. This isn't an article aimed at helping single men improve at dating. If it was, it would be more specific. "Communication skills" is too broad and vague. The actual intention of this article seems to be just to blame men for everything that goes wrong, which is entirely unoriginal. I honestly don't know why this article keeps popping up everyw…
/r/MensRights13/08/22 10:45 PM
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What's horrible? Murderers facing consequences?
/r/MensRights13/08/22 09:41 PM
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Do you think it's hateful or do you think it's incorrect, or both? Is there a difference between pointing out a flaw in the general behavior of one of the sexes and hating that particular sex? I'll agree that it is a negative statement about women, but I don't agree that it's hateful. I'm a gay man and an MRA. I very much love men and I probably have an abnormally high opinion of them. However, I'm perfectly willing to say that men commit most of the violent crime. I just said a negative thing a…
/r/MensRights11/08/22 02:02 AM
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Which of those statements do you disagree with and why?
/r/MensRights11/08/22 01:04 AM
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What's the point of muddying the waters and redefining everything?
/r/MensRights10/08/22 10:36 PM
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100% agree.
/r/MensRights07/08/22 01:01 AM
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Wow, you mean men have been willing to sacrifice their own interests, especially in the service of women and children? Is this supposed to somehow be consistent with the idea that men built society to privilege men at the expense of women?
/r/MensRights05/08/22 11:01 PM
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Seriously? Your criticism of Karen is that she wasn't the first to make men's rights arguments? You've entirely missed the reason why people like Karen so much, and when people like you criticize some of the most important people to the MRM, it makes you sound rather bitter and resentful. Do you really expect the MRM to go anywhere if it's backed by people like you who seem to want the MRM to be an extremely exclusive club? That's not generally an effective form of activism. The only other attem…
/r/MensRights05/08/22 10:59 PM
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I'm sure we disagree on a lot, but I truly wish more feminists were like you. I think most feminists who are ordinary people you'd meet on the street are generally good people who genuinely just believe in equality, but the feminists with institutional power are just awful.
/r/MensRights04/08/22 04:19 AM
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Karen Straughan, HoneyBadger Radio, and Dr. Randomercam.
/r/MensRights31/07/22 05:58 PM
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It's not so much that they didn't support us so we shouldn't support them, they actively told us "no uterus, no opinion." And now they're complaining about men not supporting them. They can't have it both ways.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 01:27 AM
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I guess that depends on whether you're pro-life or pro-choice. As someone who is pro-life this is absolutely preferable.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 12:57 AM
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See, this is what I've been saying. So many MRAs have been acting like we should support abortion because otherwise we can't ask for legal paternal surrender on an quality basis, but legal paternal surrender isn't comparable to abortion. Even after abortion has been banned in some states, women can still opt out of parenthood to a much greater degree than men can.
/r/MensRights29/07/22 12:55 AM
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The only way I could be inclined to agree with this is when men would have the same rights to abortion as women do. So if abortion were outlawed, and both men and women had the same lack of rights to an abortion, then this measure would seem reasonable to you?
/r/MensRights27/07/22 12:05 PM
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If she still chooses to go ahead with the pregnancy Well I don't think that should be her choice, I see abortion as murder, and about half the states agree with me and are banning abortion. If a woman can't get an abortion, then both the people responsible for the pregnancy should be financially liable, unless it's a situation where a woman intentionally got pregnant against the man's will, which should be considered fraud. It is interesting that while abortion is not being banned nationally, th…
/r/MensRights27/07/22 12:03 PM
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Would you say that the Roe v Wade decision would encourage women to be more careful about who they sleep with? Absolutely. Would you say that a man also gets the authority to make decisions about his own life and money or should he only have the responsibility? Even after Roe has been overturned women can still opt out of parenthood through safe haven laws. Technically men can too, but we all know that in practice men really can't. If women can make such a decision, men should be able to as well…
/r/MensRights27/07/22 11:59 AM
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I don't think it's discriminatory just because it doesn't impact lesbians. It doesn't impact gay men at all either.
/r/MensRights27/07/22 01:37 AM
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In theory I don't have a problem with this. It takes two to make a child, both parties responsible should have to pay for the costs. This may even encourage men to be more careful about who they sleep with. This could be a win-win. However, that depends on how it's implemented. I'm being lazy and I haven't read the bill, but I don't think it's unreasonable to suspect that it's going to be designed to screw men over. I'll get around to reading it soon, and I hope it will require a paternity test …
/r/MensRights27/07/22 01:35 AM
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high wages, but also a high cost of living. It's no secret that the current trend is people leaving blue states and moving to red states.
/r/MensRights25/07/22 11:25 PM
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That's actually rather sad.
/r/MensRights25/07/22 11:21 PM
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I can see an argument either way, but I am getting rather tired of people (not referring to you) who seem to want to have it both ways. You can treat people differently based on their immutable characteristics and also you cannot or your a bigot, depending on which one will harm straight white men in any given instance. Men are always expected to just suck it up and take the hit, and I'm not even just talking about when it's acceptable to treat someone as a threat by default. It's unfair to char…
/r/MensRights21/07/22 12:00 AM
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Other key pay gap drivers are caring for family and workforce participation (33 per cent) and the type of job and industry sector of employment (24 per cent). This is sending off alarm bells for me. Research has consistently shown that differences in occupation should account for at least half of the wage gap, not less than a quarter. See here, here, and here. I haven't read the full methodology of this Australian report, but if I had to guess I'd bet they did something similar to what researche…
/r/MensRights20/07/22 11:43 PM
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If the reason you lock your door is specifically because there are black people in your neighborhood, might there be any moral dilemmas here? I mean it may be true that black people are more likely to commit crimes and there's definitely a stereotype as a result, but what's the general perception of people who perpetuate and act off that stereotype?
/r/MensRights20/07/22 02:22 AM
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It's worth remembering that only a very small minority of men commit violence, and most of that violence isn't even directed at women. Meanwhile, women aren't entirely peaceful either. It wouldn't be unreasonable for men to demand that they not all be subjected to this isolation for something that most of them never even seriously considered doing. And yet, that's not how men have responded. I disagree with the trans man in the original post, I don't think most men are entirely oblivious to what…
/r/MensRights20/07/22 02:18 AM
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Wut?
/r/MensRights13/07/22 12:29 PM
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We don't blame only women, we know men don't have an in-group bias. We know most men don't care about men as a group or about defending men's rights. We criticize them too. Furthermore, many of the most important and influential MRAs are women like Karen Straughan, Alison Tieman, Anne Cools, Hannah Wallen, and Erin Pizzey. We also have older male MRAs like Warren Farrell and Paul Elam. Most people who call themselves MRAs are probably men, but we don't all just blame women for not giving two far…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 08:40 PM
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What do you consider misogyny to be? What specific complaints do you have?
/r/MensRights04/07/22 07:33 PM
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"To be respected, women have to act like typical women, while gay people and black people have to act as if they aren't gay or black to be respected." That should have been their first clue that women aren't and have never been oppressed like black people and gay people. ​ Also, men's responsibilities to respectability don't exist? I'm going to need a big citation for that.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 09:03 AM
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So how does science inform you that abortion is not murder?
/r/MensRights04/07/22 05:18 AM
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Abortion isn't the same as murdering someone That is literally the point of contention. I argue it's murder, and you need to argue that it isn't murder. Until you establish that it is not, saying "if you don't like abortion, just don't get one" is rathe unproductive, presumptuous, and narcissistic.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 05:02 AM
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Close to 0% of abortions are performed because of a health risk to the mother. And besides, people who are pro-life are willing to make exceptions for cases where the mother's health is at risk, though we may argue that in most cases you can try to deliver the baby early and attempt to save it rather than just vacuum its head off. Most abortions are done or convenience. You don't get to justify those abortions by only talking about the tiny tiny amount of abortions that have better justification…
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:17 AM
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"If you don't lie slavery, don't buy a slave." "If you don't like murder, then just don't murder anyone. Trying to push your views on other people through the law is f**ked up."
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:13 AM
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This not to mention all kinds of other unsavory externalities Funny, I'd call the murder of a child for someone else's convenience a bit of an externality.
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:13 AM
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https://www.societyforhistoryeducation.org/pdfs/M15\_Miller.pdf
/r/MensRights04/07/22 02:10 AM
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This exactly. It takes feminist all of 10 seconds to just blurt out "women are oppressed by men, men didn't even let us vote until 100 years ago," and everyone is already familiar with the narrative they are talking about and can fill in all the details. But it takes us 10 minutes to clean up the mess by trying to explain how women not having the vote was not even remotely an exercise in men oppressing women. Most people have never heard that argument, and aren't going to be inclined to agree wi…
/r/MensRights03/07/22 05:21 AM
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Sounds like self defense to me.
/r/MensRights02/07/22 06:11 PM
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I'm actually doing really well, 2022 has been kind so far. I just started my career and am studying to take the exams to become licensed in my profession. I've also been re-watching a ton of Karen Straughan videos. I had a bad couple weeks a while ago, though entirely self inflicted. I made the mistake of spending too much time reading through posts about circumcision, plus while the Depp trial was still going on and the SCOTUS leak there was a lot of visible misandry, plus a lot of political th…
/r/MensRights01/07/22 02:07 AM
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Republicans are the biggest group of people who support gender roles. I wouldn't say that, but Republicans are definitely more honest about their support for gender roles. The statement was that Republicans are not the only ones perpetuating inequality, not that Republicans are not responsible at all for perpetuating inequality.
/r/MensRights28/06/22 10:52 PM
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It would also be heavily ironic if they manage to convince future generations that men are generally pro-life and that women are generally pro-choice only for future generations to see abortion as the slavery of our time. As you say, we can't see the future, but I think the tendency seems to be to move away from those saying "they aren't really human."
/r/MensRights28/06/22 02:36 AM
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They did the same with women's suffrage. In reality, men were slightly more likely to support women's suffrage than women were, and most women opposed it. But feminists have successfully rewritten history, so now most people think it's a given that the fight for women's suffrage was women against men when it absolutely never was. I guarantee you if we aren't careful, in 100 years people might just think that the battle over abortion we are seeing today was also a fight between men and women. Sou…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:53 PM
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I do wish these people would find something equivalent to an abortion ban. Say holding a man financially responsible for a child he’s sired. Oh wait, they already do that don’t they! I wouldn't say holding men financially responsible is equivalent to an abortion ban. There is no male equivalent to abortion. That said, the equivalent to holding men financially responsible is holding women financially responsible, which we really don't. Even after abortion has been banned in some states, women sti…
/r/MensRights27/06/22 10:49 PM
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I was told "no uterus, no opinion." I mean, I'm pro-life anyway, but I really don't see why the men who might be more inclined to be pro-choice should do something now. Why can't these people just be honest? They don't want men to shut up because of some ethical reason, they just want to shut down their political opponents and are willing to resort to ad hominems in order to do so.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 07:38 PM
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I'd say I'm pro-life, only with exceptions in cases with a risk of medical harm to the mother. I don't think allowing for that exception makes me pro-choice. I'm guessing you're just grouping my position under pro-choice to inflate the number of pro-choicers to imply some sort of broader consensus.
/r/MensRights25/06/22 07:35 PM
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Privilege was a concept that came to be as it is now largely due to feminism. In particular, Peggy McIntosh was important in developing the concept. I am done talking to the fools who would allow their enemies power and permission to kill them I live in probably the most conservative state in the US and I've been surrounded by conservatives my entire life. They don't tend to keep their opinions about gay people a secret, and yet I've never met a single one who wanted gay people dead. In fact, I'…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 05:27 AM
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You are in zero danger of a baby trap. You are in zero danger of being raped and getting pregnant. You are at zero danger of paternity fraud. Never said I was, but I am in danger of losing my ability to get married, which is probably my single most important ambition in life. Now maybe you think I'm not in danger of losing anything of value compared to straight or bisexual men, but I'd have to point out that I'm not the one who is trying to make this about gay marriage. So many others, including…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 04:46 AM
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I'm a gay man. I'm proud to be gay, and I do hope to marry some day. However, I am strongly pro-life. Abortion horrifies me as does judicial activism, and I don't care for a second if this negatively affects my ability to get married in the future. I'd throw it away in a heartbeat to protect people who I may never meet. My life doesn't improve even a little as a result of this decision, but today I am more overjoyed than I ever thought I could be as a result of any political matter. Some of us a…
/r/MensRights25/06/22 04:06 AM
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I truly believe in human right, including the rights of humans before they are born. Stop being narcissists.
/r/MensRights24/06/22 03:54 PM
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Matt Walsh has always been a stereotypical sexist tradcon. This is not surprising.
/r/MensRights22/06/22 05:38 PM
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I've heard of "himpathy" before. These people are misandrists. There's no way around that.
/r/MensRights11/06/22 01:23 PM
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I could say the same about people with utopian aspirations who think it possible to prevent humans from being humans. The entire 20th century should be proof enough that utopian thinking is a total nightmare.
/r/MensRights05/06/22 10:54 PM
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I wouldn't say the UN has done nothing about non-consensual male circumcision. They've promoted it quite heavily.
/r/MensRights05/06/22 12:56 PM
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I guess I'm feeling better. The other week I stumbled upon a post where people were talking about their experiences with doctors putting an immense amount of pressure on parents to circumcise their kids, and they even pressured uncircumcised men to get it done. That combined with seeing a lot of people defending heard and the whole "what is a woman" thing (because "transgender ideology" is a war on women don't you know) kinda ruined my week. It's rather exhausting seeing all the ways men are ign…
/r/MensRights04/06/22 06:09 PM
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I only read the first sentence before deciding that I don't need stupidity to ruin my evening. How can you possibly think that the gender who is dealing with rights being constantly granted and stripped away all over the world has more privilege than you? If it was the fucking early 70s right now I wouldn't have a credit card. Well if it was the early 70s I'd face being drafted to fight in Vietnam, at which point I would lose the right to my freedom, my body, and my life. But sure, women couldn'…
/r/MensRights02/06/22 10:38 PM
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Same thing happened to me when I pointed out that the depiction of Amber Heard with a long nose is in reference to Pinocchio and not antisemitism. Either that or it was my question as to how the hitting Amber admitted to on the now infamous recording was "reactive violence," when in that very same recording she admits to being the one who starts the fights. One of those things got me banned. I feel like I earned my wings. Imagine having such a trigger finger on the ban button. Imagine how insecu…
/r/MensRights02/06/22 10:33 PM
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I'd echo what others have said about Cassie Jaye's "The Red Pill." She may also like Karen Straughan. Karen is the most well known MRA and has some fascinating content on her channel.
/r/MensRights02/06/22 05:10 AM
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"Far right?" How original. The men's right's movement isn't even moderately right wing. It isn't left-wing or right-wing. Politics doesn't exist on a one dimensional scale, and those that act as if it does are ultimately responsible for nightmares like the two-party system. MRAs seem to be rather evenly split with some being left-wing, some right-wing, but very few extremists of either sort. We get in arguments with leftist feminists all the time, and we don't count traditional conservatives as …
/r/MensRights02/06/22 03:01 AM
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I found it so amusing after the Supreme Court leak when pro-choice types started calling on men to speak up against the decision. These were the very same people who had been telling men to shut up, and now they have the nerve to feel entitled to men's support.
/r/MensRights02/06/22 02:55 AM
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The best and laziest way for me to explain why is to paste my response to someone else who had argued: If i show up to work naked i still have the right not to have your sexuality exerted on me... You should not show up to work naked in the same way you should not sexually harass someone who does. When someome [sic] says wearing makeup is at all comparable to sexual harassment they are using it as a justification to sexually harasd [sic] women. I responded: No they aren't. They're basically doin…
/r/MensRights31/05/22 10:03 PM
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When someome says wearing makeup is at all comparable to sexual harassment they are using it as a justification to sexually harasd women. No they aren't. They're basically doing what you are doing, which is using an extreme example to make a point. Wearing makeup is obviously acceptable. You can show up to work in makeup and it is not sexual harassment, but Peterson's point is that it is sexual. Showing up to work naked is the opposite extreme. Peterson's entire point is that there is a scale, w…
/r/MensRights31/05/22 01:47 PM
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Yes, but Peterson's point is that if you show up to work naked, that would be you exerting your sexuality onto your coworkers
/r/MensRights31/05/22 01:35 PM
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The fact that I am a sexual being and the people I work with are sexual beings doesn't then mean I can or should use my position to extert my sexuality on to them. Well I and Jordan Peterson would agree with you.
/r/MensRights31/05/22 01:34 PM
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Then there was the VICE interview where he was spouting some pseudo evolutionary explaination for women wearing make up as justification for sexual harassment in the work place. Is that what he did? Try to justify sexual harassment? Or was he just arguing there are many shades of grey and that we haven't figured out exactly where the line is at which behavior crosses into sexual harassment? He wasn't trying to excuse clear cases of sexual harassments, he was just pointing out that sexuality is p…
/r/MensRights31/05/22 05:10 AM
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I love how they list religious EXTREMISTS, right wing EXTREMISTS, left wing EXTREMISTS, and then just men's rights advocates. Not EXTREMIST men's rights advocates, just MRAs in general. Peak narcissism right there.
/r/MensRights29/05/22 05:50 PM
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But also the rights that we can work… and own property… and file for a divorce… we can still do everything on our list. I was referring specifically to rights women had that men did not, of which only one on that particular list remains. Except now, we can also go to college, which we couldn’t back then, Well this is actually an interesting point. Yes, women in 1915 could go to college, and in fact around that time women attended college at almost the same rate as men, though for both men and wo…
/r/MensRights29/05/22 03:02 AM
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I honestly don't care either way, but the general consensus among women today is that they want the vote and I don't have any problem with that, except that I don't think it's truly an equal arrangement if women can vote like men but aren't subject to conscription the way men are. The interesting thing about page 30 is that it explains why non traditionalist conservative women opposed female suffrage. They were very concerned that getting the vote and political equality would result in them losi…
/r/MensRights29/05/22 02:24 AM
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I 100% agree with the earlier comment about education. I would also add that men face vilification every day, and this especially plays out in areas of domestic violence. Evidence has long shown that women are at leas as violent toward intimate partners as men are, but the general public still equates domestic violence with wife beating. The result is that there are very few resource available for male victims and their children. When MRAs bring this up a lot of people seem to get defensive and …
/r/MensRights29/05/22 12:24 AM
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I'm sorry, could you run that by me again?
/r/MensRights27/05/22 08:44 PM
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The problem with male disposability is when it causes things like politicians sending young men off to die in unnecessary wars. Men willingly risking their lives to save their children is entirely different. I hate male disposability at least as much as anyone else, but if there is one thing I would risk my life for, it would be any children of mine.
/r/MensRights27/05/22 02:24 AM
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First off, "weaponized" is too strong a word. It's more like "intentional incompetence." Second, I've known both men and women to use this tactic, and anecdotally, I can't say that I've noticed one to use it more than another. Third, I think there's a tendency to cry "weaponized incompetence" too often. Sometimes a husband or a wife might just not do it the way the other likes or might just genuinely not know how to do something correctly. I think "never attribute to malice what can be explained…
/r/MensRights25/05/22 07:33 PM
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Where’s the evidence that Johnny has ever abused Amber? What, he accidentally head-butted his ex-wife and one time he sent a text to Paul Bettany? Wow, Amber must be traumatized. The legitimate point that women are not believed? You say this despite the fact that Amber’s mere accusations ruined Johnny’s career, but even after it’s become clear that she was the abuser, she still hasn’t been fired from Aquaman (as far as I’m aware). When you say women aren’t believed, you imply that men are, but d…
/r/MensRights23/05/22 12:35 PM
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Okay, so this report is cited by feminists quite often. Others have pointed out that when you control for variables such as occupation and hours worked the wage gap is reduced, which is true, but this report tries to get around that. Most of the report is just waffle about how there is a wage gap that affects women, but also one that affects racial minorities, and also one gay affects sexual minorities, and a bunch of other irrelevant stuff. The report only briefly attempts to say that the wage …
/r/MensRights19/05/22 01:58 PM
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For all I know that is a somewhat realistic depiction of incels, with some dramatic flair, but if they said anywhere that they were specifically trying to depict an MRA than they failed terribly.
/r/MensRights14/05/22 03:44 AM
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A woman on a screen will catcall men as they walk the streets around Stadhuisburg between 3:00 p.m. and 5:00 p.m. on Friday. Municipal employees will approach the men who got catcalled to talk to them about the campaign's purpose and ask how they feel about it. Do they expect men to dislike being catcalled? Obviously they aren't going to like being approached afterwards to be treated like they needed to be taught a lesson like a child caught with a hand in the cookie jar, but most men probably w…
/r/MensRights14/05/22 01:42 AM
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Right, because men are just so attracted to non-binary people that they tend to just intensely stare at them. Can they just admit this is about hating men already? Everyone knows it, they could at least be honest.
/r/MensRights13/05/22 07:19 PM
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I don't know what any of this means and I don't feel bad about it.
/r/MensRights13/05/22 04:03 AM
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I downvoted at first until I clicked on the link.
/r/MensRights12/05/22 07:19 PM
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You had me all excited until the end. May God smite Alabama.
/r/MensRights09/05/22 08:15 PM
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if women can abort a baby against the fathers wishes, Men should be able to sign off their parental rights that also eliminates any and all financial responsibilities. I think this is a weak argument that is about to be even weaker once Roe is overturned. However, I think what should be highlighted is this: Men have no equal right to just give up parental rights and responsibilities and not have to pay child support. This is key. In this case, abortion is not relevant. Even when women can't get …
/r/MensRights08/05/22 04:16 AM
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Given how republicans love to restrict people’s access to healthcare By "access to healthcare" you mean other people being forced to pay for it don't you? And I find it interesting that you ignored point 2. This isn't about rape victims, this is about abortion. You want abortion legal whether the mother was raped or not. If it was about rape victims you would be more interested in proposing that police stations be able to provide rape victims with the morning after pill. Also: According to Plann…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 03:26 PM
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The morning after pill exists. Rape is only given as the motivation for an absolutely minuscule number of abortions, probably because of point 1. The overwhelming majority of abortions are just because the mother doesn't want to have a kid. Are you opposed to those abortions or are you just using a very small minority of cases as essentially human shields for what is really an indefensible position?
/r/MensRights07/05/22 03:13 PM
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Regarding "paper abortions," here are some reasons why we should not use that term: ​ Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start. With Roe about to be overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is about to be banned, the…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 01:05 PM
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Even if women don't have the right to an abortion, and they soon wont, men should still have the right to not be financially responsible for 18 years on the grounds that women are not required to be financially responsible if they don't get an abortion. Women have safe haven laws.
/r/MensRights07/05/22 04:58 AM
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The government you live in shouldn't be able to force you to have a child. Full stop. That isn't what's happening. You can chose to not have a child through abstinence or proper birth control. We have access to so many kinds of birth control these days there's really no excuse. By all means, don't have a child. But once you do, you don't get to kill it. For a subreddit about rights, far too many people here are missing that bans on abortion are unjust and an oppression of human rights. What a na…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 04:53 AM
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Wow, so reading the article from India: “In India, under Article 14, the fundamental rights guarantee ‘right to equality’ to both men and women. There are series of judgments of Hon’ble Supreme Court which say that ‘right to equality’ is guaranteed to men and women if they are ‘similarly situated’,” the court added. In the matters of conceiving and procreating a child, the judge said, men and women are not similarly situated. Therefore, she ruled that women will always have an “upper hand in the…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 01:09 AM
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I've been arguing for awhile that MRAs should not be using the term "paper abortion" and should instead use the term "legal paternal surrender," (LPS) a term that popular MRAs like Karen Strughan have been using for years. LPS is not the equivalent to abortion. The equivalent to legal paternal surrender is legal maternal surrender. By the way, women have that under safe haven laws, so this avoids the problem of point 2. There is no male equivalent to abortion. There is no medical procedure men c…
/r/MensRights07/05/22 12:56 AM
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One thing I’m very confused by is y’all seem upset that you can’t do a ‘paper abortion’ and seem happy I might no longer be able to do a real abortion. I'm going to preface this by saying that I am pro-life, but many, quite possibly most of the MRAs on here are pro-choice. So how come you seem happy because I’m losing my rights even though that will just come back around to hurt you further? Personally as an MRA I don't care how much men are negatively impacted by the overturning of Roe. Ending …
/r/MensRights07/05/22 12:49 AM
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Regarding "paper abortions," here are some reasons why we should not use that term: Pro-lifers are going to instantly oppose it, and feminists will instantly object on the grounds that it isn't a fair comparison, which they should. By using such a politically charged term you alienate so many people right from the start. With Roe about to be overturned, abortion will be banned in many states. If you establish legal paternal surrender as the equivalent to a right that is about to be banned, then …
/r/MensRights07/05/22 12:05 AM
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I swear, pro circumcision types make the most retarded arguments. Few things are more infuriating.
/r/MensRights06/05/22 10:27 PM
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