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I think there's a difference in how males and females gain experience to get calibrated. While females generally are able to get a sense of who they can afford to be with by just existing (who approaches with sexual interest/long-term interest), males have to approach both upwards and downwards of their own desirability to get a sense of who their match could be.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/26 02:55 AM
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This is actually what matchmakers ask their clients.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/26 01:46 AM
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Usually as you experience more relationships, you learn how to manage your emotions better, balance relationship and your life better and have more realistic boundaries/expectations (they could either get higher or lower). I don't stress out about the same things that I did when I was younger, so those emotions I feel are quite a bit less intense. I know what I would do in more situations. Earlier relationships could be more like a rollercoaster of emotions due to that reason imo. But when it co…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 11:04 PM
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There's women who are really into musicians. Me being one of them. I've had at least a little crush on basically all of my half decent musician friends. Can't explain why. My boyfriend plays the piano and I think he is hot even when he cuts his fingernails cause it reminds me of him playing the piano.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/01/26 04:03 AM
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I very happily got together with a guy I went out with in high school a decade later. That proved to me that my taste in guys has barely changed over that time. I never was in some kind of fling and was always able to find someone I liked among the guys who were interested in me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/25 06:02 AM
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I advise people to date who they know. They could either agree or disagree with me, but I find that it's pretty much the only way to vet if they do want to vet that is. If not, you either don't know the person or assume things about the person while dating the person. You have an issue with people who assume the worst about the person. I am saying I have issues with trying to date strangers as a whole. I think online dating is only for people who don't care for vetting, or are naive, or think th…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:56 AM
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I think this is something that stemmed from people attempting to date strangers. This is not how dating used to work at all. When people used to date within their communities, even if they didn't know the person directly, it was usually pretty easy to figure out someone's reputation. Also, when people had to live within the boundaries of a single community, people kinda had to care a bit more about their own reputation, and that too could have impacted their own actions. Before, it was easier to…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:30 AM
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Okay, this is hilarious reading as someone who does come from a culture where arranged marriages used to be the norm. My grandparents were arranged and my parents were arranged, and I thought I'd be arranged too. Anyway... arranged marriages are thought to have a higher success rate because it is the families that get involved when setting their kids up based on familial compatibility and the potential benefits of merging of the two families. We could say that it was strictly based on each perso…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 12:15 AM
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Conservative women are supposed to value what her family values. My boyfriend who had a relatively conservative upbringing asked me what my father values in a guy probably on our first date since that’s really important. Conservative households differ from family to family, but generally the guy has to be on par with the girl’s father or better.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/25 01:28 AM
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So here's a part of the redpill that you seem to be forgetting when I read your post and comments. Dread game is a thing, because people often get too comfortable. It is based on the assumption that the person needs to reminded or threatened of their position. A lot of people can very well hide their true selves until they think they have gotten what they want, so you just keep reminding them that they actually haven't fully secured what they want. People often say this is not a healthy way to n…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/25 05:48 PM
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This really depends. I tend to think men are more prone to oneitis for some reason. Not all Chads want Becky harems either so it really comes down to which Chad. If the Chad has oneitis, which they quite often do, the power goes to his oneitis. I know no Stacy in my family that thought men were something to win over... but that's anecdotal. Men chase and they choose. We have generations of actual models and model/top celebrity tier women in the family btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/25 07:19 PM
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💀
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/25 08:58 PM
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Yeah I know how you guys would react. But it is when I have options and guys texting me that I was just completely off the market. Being not interested in dating to the point that you'd rather have your family find you a spouse is pretty severe I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/25 04:50 AM
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Probably not. It isn't even about me having sky high standards, but just no longer having the energy to really take new chances. Maybe it isn't much, but I was completely single for almost a year before my boyfriend who was pre-vetted from my high school days miraculously showed up. I was done with dating to the point that I just told my mom to bring me the arranged marriage requests my family has for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 08:53 PM
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Not at all. Leverage has to match up for the most stable matches. Ideally, superficially speaking, both partners should be replaceable. That’s when you get to observe without leverage on either side. Mating several leagues down exposes you even more to the complacency factor, cause these people try really hard to get with you. Humans in general aren’t too wise and get too comfortable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 07:31 PM
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Exactly why I think the only way to properly vet is to go for people with plenty of options. Power reveals who the person is. Also, it is as if PPD hasn't heard of complacency which is way too common unfortunately. Things aren't that simple. Sometimes, just going for people who have enough leverage in the market to be transparent yields results in a more efficient manner than someone who would be hiding it for months. But of course, I do believe women/men have to measure up to the people they ar…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/25 06:58 PM
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You are talking to a wall here. You still have access to the real world. People who primarily live online live in an alternate universe from you. My boyfriend has a 17 year old brother. The kid and his friends make fun of red pill apparently, and think it is something for weird losers. Don't lose your social circle or your connection to the real world. You might find yourself amongst the leftovers of the dating scene if you do.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 09:43 PM
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What do men here do not understand about women generally being more passive than men? It is not just laziness, but actual passivity. They display more passivity than men even in their same gender social groups. Passive aggressiveness, speaking in codes, just wanting others to get it, and etc. can all be observed within same gender social groups and this does not have to stem from laziness. I think passive aggressive may require more work than just being aggressive so women's passivity is not abo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 03:24 PM
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I'll be transparent by stating that I'm from a different culture. When my dad passed, it was during covid, so I could not travel to attend his funeral or be with my family. I still needed support so I stayed at an ex's place. My dad's side of the family treated me like a prostitute after that. And well even now, I am not allowed to disclose the existence of my boyfriend to my social circle over there. Only some family members and some very close family friends know. Even having had a public seri…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/25 07:28 AM
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Happy bday cauli :)
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 05:41 AM
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Women just are more passive in nature in a general sense. It is not just with approaching guys, but many of them speak in codes or not explicitly or just want others to get it. I asked my boyfriend out and he too is freaking passive. I don't mind that he didn't approach, but his passivity is quite something. He is stereotypically feminine.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/25 12:28 AM
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Table 1 and 2 https://www2.hawaii.edu/~elaineh/79.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 12:34 PM
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Relatives are just more likely to have more access and opportunity to abuse the kid. The moral of the OP seems to be don't let your guard down ever or something.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/25 05:09 AM
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you were anticipating that they were going to approach I wasn't at all. I was PERFECTLY fine with them remaining my friends. you didn't want to ruin the friendship is cope Never suggested one or the other. I just was fine with not dating them. "he is a man, he should approach, otherwise, I am going to lose the upper hand" Again, the upper hand does not exist. That's some really pathetic belief that stems from thinking these men do not have self-respect. You chickened out and don't want to admit …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 07:25 PM
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That’s a pathetic assumption. If both parties have self-respect, there’s no real upper hand no matter who approaches first. And why would I be awful to someone especially the one I really like? I just was good with having them as my friends. And no, those crushes were far from Chads, and it was even confirmed by two non-bluepilled PPD guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 06:20 PM
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I don't think her thinking the guy is not interested is as critical. "Oh wow" is a hard fall. I looked up the guys I fell hard for like a decade later too. Like how Chad supposedly can do anything, after that "oh wow" moment, the window can even be semi-permanent. They could have pursued me a decade after, and I still might have said yes. The problematic part I think is that women often hide these thing, and men may never know. Personally, I think I hid the spark damn well. I probably would have…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:53 PM
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What u/OMWSpuds said. But that being said, even if the guy is a bit out of shape, I would always choose face over body. I am fine as long as the body is within a reasonable range imv. The range doesn't include super skinny, but it includes slightly overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:43 PM
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So I've been thinking about warm approaches for a bit, and I think I agree with an ex-PPD member. He told me the timing to approach a woman is once you see a sparkle in her eye or something when dealing with you, not before. There can be times when a guy goes from neutral to "oh wow". Guys here seem to believe the "oh wow" can disappear very easily, but I actually think that's when you "give it a chance" at a neutral stage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/25 04:11 PM
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Join an echo chamber.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/07/25 03:13 PM
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I think there's two possible alternative explanations. You either meet or do not meet the looks thresholds depending on your body fat. I probably only feel responsive desire (minus towards musicians who I can be interested in going on dates right away, not have sex), but I certainly do have looks thresholds. You are mostly dealing with women who do feel spontaneous desire so you project their attraction onto other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:36 PM
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The latter balances me out better even though it is less comfortable. Honestly, although my case is a bit more severe than others, dating someone like me wasn't going to lead anywhere. Many of us need someone to make us care more about things we wouldn't care about if we were by ourselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 07:07 PM
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Well I don’t really see it as just complacency. Neither of us put our relationship front and center and we both had pretty busy careers at the time. And we just understood what came first to us, and we both would find it understandable. So it was somewhat like an open relationship in the sense that we were both alright with less conventionally accepted relationship practices. Imagine if you forgot the bday of a woman you are dating. The topic would likely be revisited forever or you could even g…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 05:05 PM
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I’ve dated both. Too similar to me was comfortable but neither of us felt compelled to really focus on the relationship enough cause neither of us really needed to feel cared for and we both understood it too well. There was one year when we forgot each other’s bdays. Now on the other hand, I am dating a guy very different from myself, and I know I would never hear the end of it if I missed his bday, so I do put in more care.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:51 PM
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Men tend to like hyper masculine looks in men, but women don’t feel similarly then it is male gaze. Women may like a bit more androgynous looks in men, and a lot of men may not get it. Then it is female gaze. Height is not a female gaze cause even guys recognize tall guys in a positive manner. Not that they are sexually attracted to the tall guy, but they acknowledge his height being impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:40 PM
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I’ve never dated a guy with a “good physique” although I’ve never dated an obese guy either. I’ve always been the fit one in almost every relationship. I’ve dated from 5’7 and 6’4. Anyone outside of the range, I am not interested in. So far, nothing too crazy, but I do require quite a bit more when it comes to face unless the guy is a musician. I’m generally not attracted to average faces at all, but I’ve had a small crush on every half decent musician friend I have. Basically be good looking in…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/25 04:33 PM
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You can have sex with someone without being obligated to marry them. You can have sex with someone bevause you like them, not knowing if its going to be for ever as long as no prgnancy is involved you protect yourself from diseases. I am not okay with hormonal birth control as they carry their own health risks. So there's no real safe way to protect against pregnancy 100% even if someone is to take the modern sex positivity pill which I did not take. I ultimately think my personal pleasure is no…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:55 PM
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Options based on a lie are not real options. Yeah I think so too. If men only want a woman for sex, those are not the woman's options. To me someone who cares about marriage too much is a redflag Yeah, you are free to think that. I am with a guy who thinks even entertaining a date without wanting to marry the woman is degenerate. He thinks I could be more reserved cause I did go out on dates rather casually compared to him. I think this stance of his is a bit nuts, and you are also free to think…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 08:12 PM
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Who is desirable in the market doesnt mean anything. It does. It gives people more options, and often more quality options too. Not ratio-wise, but just number-wise. It is on the desirable ones to vet through them, and choose what kind of combination of traits you want amongst the quality options. This applies to both men and women. Personally i cant marry someone if i dont know if shes any good in bed. That's you. And I don't date guys like that. They get their options to choose from, and well …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:33 PM
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Different men do different things. Desirable men could even discard the woman they found perfectly fine when she grows old. With women who were beside them at their lowest, they could even discard for their desirability levels not matching up anymore. Some men want a main chick and many side chicks and so on. The thing is, regardless of gender, when people are desirable, they have a lot of people “line up” and among those exist quite a few desirable ones too. If the woman does not have multiple …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 06:01 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/mDqczCremJ There’s desirable men who have principles. Women need to measure up in desirability to be with those guys though. Some people meet after they become desirable. My dad knew he would have had no chance with my mom if he wasn’t already set up for success, and he didn’t really have an issue with the fact. People will generally choose whatever or whoever is more appealing to them given their options. My dad wanted one woman he found more than wort…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/25 05:16 PM
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I think it heavily depends on whether the guy has a regular co-ed social group or not. And it happens so that more people are more isolated these days than before. My boyfriend said his single friends only hang out with their own gender, and that’s the difference between them and his partnered up friends. He finds that there’s no other noticeable difference among his friends at least. Dating is harder for men when the man is either neurotic or overly passive or both. I think that’s the issue of …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 03:10 PM
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Excess attractiveness is just an excess. And bending over backwards to date anyone is... uh... yeah...
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/25 05:51 AM
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I don't think you understood what I've written. I don't. I vet by seeing what men do when they are desirable, and I date men that I already know. The desirable ones are given the chance to prove themselves to me by showing they have principles, cause they have options they can act upon. The less desirable ones don't even have a chance to showcase their principles. I have a few desirable friends that I would not touch with a ten foot pole dating wise cause what they've shown me they are not suita…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:30 PM
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Sex inherently is a biological act for reproduction. We are generally coded for the fittest to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 10:04 PM
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What I call the leftover market. And I think OLD is more prone to the same drawbacks of the leftover market that I essentially think of OLD as the leftover market.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 08:15 PM
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I believe some men are polygamous. That's actually exactly why I think it is better to go for men with options. I get to know how they act GIVEN the options. Of course, the woman has to measure up to the guy to even attempt that. Power reveals who the person is, and I prefer knowing who the person is. Like how some PPD peeps said people who lose weight are preparing to leave their current partner, or may monkey branch to the next partner. With fat people, you have less of a guarantee of what cou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:38 PM
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ChatGPT fixed the paragraph issue for you. Do most women know that men are polygamous? When a man is either, rich, famous or good looking (above average) they all lean towards polygamy. In other words, they are as faithful as their options. Examples of men like these are celebrities, kings, emperors, influencers, CEOs. Some exceptions may exist, but they are very few and almost can be overlooked. Those who seem to be monogamous are either average or below average looking and they are not rich or…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 07:26 PM
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Long faced females 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/25 05:59 PM
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I just keep and use the old scoop until the new scoop reveals itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/07/25 12:25 AM
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There's women men begrudgingly take for easy access to sex, not that they induce desire.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 04:03 PM
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Let me introduce you to… the MUSICIAN group. I’m even not talking about the ones who are well known. Even the plainest guys who don’t have them fame can pull some.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/07/25 02:12 PM
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Honestly, if one is desirable enough, it is more than possible to fish a league down or so and still be attracted to your partner. Then you get to optimize for more traits that you want in a person. Not everyone has to pick the most superficially desirable person to still be attracted.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 10:47 PM
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There’s me and my bf. It was quite difficult for us to get into a relationship with other people due to our less conventional values in the West. Some cultural values aren’t completely rational, but can be still ingrained in us.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/07/25 04:47 PM
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I live in the West.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 06:32 PM
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I'm from some place in Asia. I don't disclose it publicly.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 05:40 PM
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In my culture, successful women get points deducted in the matchmaking system apparently. I was also told by a guy who was pursuing me that I shouldn’t study as hard cause that’s hard for guys to deal with. HE was pursuing ME. There was also a guy outside of my culture who tried to put down my achievements and inflate his own. I actually think it is quite common for men to impress the woman, but some of them try to do that in such stupid ways or they just haven’t learned how to deal with their i…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/25 03:25 PM
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I am not inspired to get to know anyone with the intention of dating. I first get to know someone then may get inspired to date the person. Dating is rarely something I think about when I am out and about, so I don't notice people like that. The thought of dating has to occur first.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/25 05:39 AM
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lol a good number of men chase top women and continue to simp for top women even during their marriage. many women hate my mom and my aunts for it. men getting with a woman out of convenience is not virtue.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/07/25 04:44 PM
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Maybe tell him money could be the only thing on your mind during your wedding and that you might not be a happy bride if you spent too much on your wedding. Try to find a budget that you'd both be okay with and consider less conventional options. I told my boyfriend that I cannot be a happy bride without my dad being there, so we will most likely not have a wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 08:18 PM
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To preface, I am not advocating for men to make the first move at all times, but I am only trying to explain potential contributing factors. Women are more passive in nature. When they "approach", they tend to show IOI's, not actually make a direct approach. I think this may have something to do with their risk averseness which we could potentially attribute to women's higher neuroticism in general. Apparently when women do initiate, they tend to have high assertiveness (which is said to be a fa…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 07:35 PM
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I still like them. But there’s also neotenous pretty and androgynous pretty. Neotenous pretty usually experience twink death, but androgynous pretty can last a good while.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 05:06 AM
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I think he could already be desirable. Read the last paragraph. He is likely dealing with the leftovers of the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/07/25 04:56 AM
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Wouldn't it make the most sense for you to look at the ones that have the kind of success you want? If you want hook ups and FWB, that's the crowd you should be focusing on. If you want relationships, look at the ones desirable relationship oriented women go for.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 05:56 PM
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I’ve always been clinically underweight but went from just slim to more toned. I’ve also always been fatphobic but before I didn’t care if men actively worked out. I still don’t require a finished body, but he needs to be willing to take fitness seriously. I doubt my physical standards changed much. I got back together with someone from my high school days. He was borderline overweight at the time we got back together, but he is now getting fit. He was not muscular but fit from being active back…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:20 PM
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My boyfriend and I are from the same high school graduating class and we briefly went out back then too. I got a message from him when I reactivated my facebook for a bit, and I told my friend passingly about that facebook encounter.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/06/25 03:38 AM
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Just spend time around them, not necessarily with them. I sometimes just talk to them or hear them say stuff, and I make inferences. They could make certain decisions or act in some way. I could also hear things. Things add up enough sometimes. And it isn't even me making all the inferences. I might realize how special someone could be after something gets pointed out to me too. With my current boyfriend, I was talking about him to one of my close friends casually when I wasn't even considering …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/06/25 02:10 AM
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It is not just about being in the same social group, but knowing the person through and through. It takes time, patience, the right settings, and inference skills. Like I've said, it dramatically reduces the dating pool. I am good at joining social groups and befriending strangers, but these people are not a part of my dating pool, cause like you've said, I don't know them well enough. I don't think direct relationship means much especially when one is desirable. People will be exceptionally nic…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 08:39 PM
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Not wishing upon a star that the person is a good one. But instead, making sure beforehand.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 08:15 PM
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I don't think that relates too well to the point I was making. Sure, "hot approaching" would improve one's chances of getting together with the person, but not verifying the person's character. I wasn't talking about improving "acceptance rate", but (improving) vetting.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:54 PM
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A lot of people don't seem to know what choosing better entails.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:22 PM
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I think the terms are either warm approach or cold approach. Warm approach means you approach someone you already know. In my case, someone I know well enough to be confident in my judgement of their character.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 07:20 PM
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I said I don't mind warm approaching once I get to know the guy enough through being in the same social circle (or even forced proximity like school/work). It is pretty important to expand and/or maintain one's social circle in order to use this method.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 04:35 PM
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So here’s the thing. I said earlier that I believe people are more likely show their true selves when the stakes are low, and when it is not in short periods of time. Cold approaching creates the exact scenario for the person to potentially hide oneself. We can either vet for personality or go for excellent surface level traits first. I think it is easier to go from personality to surface level traits than the other way around. One needs to figure out what they are going for, and the best way to…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/25 02:31 AM
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Nah. I think that’s how men and women end up complaining so much about the other gender. They are sticking their (hypothetical) dick in crazy before vetting cause what’s on the outside is appealing. I take vetting very seriously. I can wait and did wait until I was convinced it could work until I even considered dating someone. The downside is that you can’t realistically get to know too many people well enough, so using this approach limits your dating pool significantly.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 10:53 PM
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Yeah and I didn’t really have difficulties being attracted to enough men within my social circle. People who meet my looksbar aren’t rare to the point that I need to wish upon a star that a good looking stranger would somehow turn out to be a virtuous person.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:50 PM
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Looks not being the only criteria is what I am saying. I think people tend to show their truer selves when they don’t desire anything in particular, basically when the stakes are low. And it is rather easy to control oneself for short periods of time, so I don’t believe in casually dating to vet the guy. If I only selected for looks and just allowed anything to come at me, honestly I think I would have to bear responsibility for those results. I don’t think I am THAT selective in looks btw.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:40 PM
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I don’t mind asking a guy out on a date, but I don’t believe in cold approaching. I don’t think the idea of vetting a stranger well is very realistic. If you could also guarantee that I would somehow be able to learn about him instantly, sure. What you listed above is too surface level, so that could be possible, but I also have to look at one’s character. Choosing better is almost only possible with warm approaches imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:20 PM
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I don’t mind asking a guy out on a date, but I don’t believe in cold approaching. I don’t think the idea of vetting a stranger well is very realistic. If you could also guarantee that I would somehow be able to learn about him instantly, sure. What you listed above is too surface level, so that could be possible, but I also have to look at one’s character. Choosing better is almost only possible with warm approaches imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:20 PM
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I don’t mind asking a guy out on a date, but I don’t believe in cold approaching. I don’t think the idea of vetting a stranger well is very realistic. If you could also guarantee that I would somehow be able to learn about him instantly, sure. What you listed above is too surface level, so that could be possible, but I also have to look at one’s character. Choosing better is almost only possible with warm approaches imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/25 01:20 PM
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Yeah so when you look at their points given and the percentile, it is hella misleading. Also, the attractiveness of faces are all over the place from average and up.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:28 PM
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When you divide up the bell curve (normal distribution using bounded range normalized percentile, instead of the standard cumulative) by the horizontal distance (let's say the horizontal axis goes from 0 to 10 like how Reddit often likes to rate), and if you calculate the aggregate area (percentile) of the curve in 0.5 increments, we get the below table. x Normalized Percentile (%) 0.0 0.00 0.5 0.21 1.0 0.69 1.5 1.66 2.0 3.47 2.5 6.56 3.0 11.40 3.5 18.32 4.0 27.36 4.5 38.18 5.0 50.00 5.5 61.82 6…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/06/25 07:15 PM
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I learned to communicate and not dump. I also got better at vetting which means I am not necessarily better at being in relationships, but knowing which relationships are more likely to work out.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/25 06:46 AM
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Damn, you got this all down. That's impressive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/25 01:17 AM
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I hate these scales because there is no reference point or percentile as to what the values mean. I agree with you 100%.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 11:51 PM
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That's hilarious. My culture is the same, and so is my boyfriend's. I don't particularly like my family name, but I still am keeping it cause of my cultural beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 09:15 PM
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I think we are able to show our morality when it is challenged, not when things are easy. One doesn't get to claim virtue like that. I think we are told that we are good so much that we come to see our actions as good when we have never proved our goodness. We ended up justifying ourselves so much that self-centeredness is now seen as moral by many.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:59 PM
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I don't really care what other people do. I think it is kinda weird to care so much about what other people are up to. There's enough people who take the husband's name, and there's enough people who don't for various reasons. The ones who adopt their husband's last name could want the whole family to have the last name, want to be a part of man's life, husband wants it and they don't want to just not disrupt the peace, just don't care enough to challenge the norms or whatever their reason is, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 08:42 PM
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Yeah and I heard trans people who were injected testosterone report a crazy increase in their libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:17 PM
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Your comment reminded me of the below. You can read the whole thread here. Sex differences in attractiveness is a feature of sexually dimorphic species. Sexual dimorphism - physical differences across the two sexes - makes males and females of a given species look very different. Few would dispute the male peacock is more beautiful than the female. In most cases it seems to be the male. But occasionally females are more beautiful. In the redback spider: Female - big, round, bright red abdomen. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 06:10 PM
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I think it is fair to argue that morality could also be about standing by one's words even at the cost of oneself. Just because more people have come to prioritize themselves, the morality of it doesn't really change. Normalization is only normalization.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:56 PM
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Well if you have the curls, don't cut those curls off lol
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 05:52 PM
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Just more regular salon visits and he gets his hair permed. Mid length on a guy requires more salon visits to not look like a hobo.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:48 PM
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I like mid length hair on my boyfriend but dang, his hair costs more than mine to maintain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:38 PM
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A cellist friend of mine told me that kids who do classical music usually end up more in tune with that kind of sensitivity. I’m not 100% sure about this, but it is what I was told. Go classical.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:33 PM
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I think people are more lenient with hot people, so some decide to take advantage of that. They just meet the somewhat acceptable threshold for their attractiveness.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:03 PM
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Wedding vows are phony to the ones who don’t uphold them. There’s still people who are serious about their vows.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:00 PM
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Ummmmmm... What do we usually say about the common denominator?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/25 04:57 AM
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I forgot their names but they do exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 10:55 PM
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I know a couple guys who look mediocre but can pull. But these guys are nowhere near average in terms likability. And I don't think just be like them is a realistic solution. Hell, I have no issues being sociable but it goes way beyond sociability, and I know I would not be do what they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 07:02 PM
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I think I give pretty privilege. I like pretty things. I find myself to be a bit more receptive in terms of non-sexual communication with attractive individuals. Pretty does draw people in imv. But if it turns flirty, now that's a problem. I do not enjoy it nor engage further. My phone's lock screen is a picture of my couple for more practical reasons. I am not going to call my boyfriend the best looking person I've seen ever. However, I am plenty attracted to him. Like the degree of attractiven…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/06/25 06:37 PM
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Are we assuming they have academic intelligence? I have rarely seen people who are able to analyze literature here or have critical thinking skills. It is usually just average people who are feeding their own confirmation bias whichever side they are on.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:54 PM
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Good people are able to see the good in others imo. I doubt if one thinks I'm the only good person, and everyone is shit is a good person. They must at least be able to realize there's good people, but it is just that they are not one of the lucky few to have locked one of the good ones down, rather than to shit on everyone. Also, I said here a couple times that one needs to be able to give the benefit of the doubt in order to be in a good relationship, and excessive jadedness rather it be due t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/06/25 04:49 PM
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Yes, I am aware.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:42 PM
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Nah I was pointed out by my mom that I was calling clinically overweight people not overweight. She corrected me saying that they are overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:39 PM
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Perhaps that's why attractive women are nicer when rejecting (something guys claim here), cause they get genuine interest from all desirability levels, and they don't tie their level of attractiveness to the lower tier guys that approach them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:38 PM
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My mom's side of the family locked down my standards of beauty I think. The only thing exposure changed for me is what qualifies as fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 05:34 PM
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Damn even Pitt hit his wall. You still can see he was given a better base, but now is aging. Her base isn’t as strong.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:08 PM
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Have you not heard of women who revenge cheat? If you poison your relationship, it will turn toxic in one way or another. My boyfriend and I think marriage must be upheld even if we fall out of love, but infidelity is valid grounds for divorce. Neither of us are allowed to get fat primarily for ourselves and for each other, not for some other person. More people should adopt this mindset than to get fat together. People prioritizing dopamine hits whether it be men or women destabilize their rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 04:03 PM
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Stacy privilege does exist. It is just that female privileges does too.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:26 PM
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Nah. There’s female privilege and there’s Stacy privilege. Female privilege does exist but so does Stacy privilege.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 03:11 PM
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I think it is about not being tied down to a relationship and acting without in consideration of a relationship is acting with only oneself in mind... therefore is an act of "finding oneself"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/06/25 12:00 AM
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Eh just ignore the ones who complain. I got over the traits people might generally find attractive or unattractive about me about a decade ago. They should too. It is what it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 08:31 PM
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We are the opposite in so many ways. But also very similar in some others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 08:22 PM
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No minoxidil. 👍
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 08:17 PM
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I probably do.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:55 PM
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Grieve.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:30 PM
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Kitty’s hair is not long enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:10 PM
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People have asked me that on PPD before. Watch me spike his food with finasteride.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:10 PM
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I am such a weirdo. I once had a nightmare of my boyfriend losing his hair... and I have such an obsession with his hair that when I told my boyfriend that I had a silly nightmare, his first guess was it being about his hair. Last night, I had another similar dream but it was about his mom cutting off his hair (which she did in the past). I was fuming in my dream that it woke me up.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 07:03 PM
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I didn't think reuniting online counted as meeting online, but with the where have you met your partner stats, apparently my couple also belongs in the meeting online group. Cold approach isn't really a straight up wanna fuck, but more of approaching a stranger, having a small talk and getting her number.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 05:17 PM
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Oh no…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:55 AM
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Well some claim that only Chads get action on OLD and Chads also get action through cold approach. Who approaches may be the question. A quick google search is telling me that around 10% of couples in the US meet via dating apps, not online, just dating apps. My couple too is actually belongs in the met via online statistics but we just happened to reunite when I reactivated my facebook account. It apparently still counts as meeting online.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:37 AM
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No personal attacks… but…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/25 04:11 AM
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Fair. I think I agree with you for the most part.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:19 PM
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Do you think most women can tell natty vs. steroid body apart? Do you think they care or do you think they just thirst over roided bodies? I am purely asking for what you think btw, cause you pointed out his steroids use.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 09:03 PM
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Thanks for the context. I still don’t really get it, but if that would be interpreted in a positive manner in their culture, not really my place look at it through my lens.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 06:42 PM
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Idk am I the only one who thinks that's a weird gesture? That would make me wonder if I am dying as I get married or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 06:28 PM
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OLD is a cold approach in the sense that people are attempting to date complete strangers. A lot of people also seem to think that a lack of success on OLD is a form of rejection, not so different from ONLY the guy is interested in initiating an interaction. the female is usually just going about her business, and did not go out to meet anyone, whereas the pua is going out there just to cold approach The only difference is that people are able to assume there's a greater population of single peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 04:50 PM
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Do some more research into it without bias. It is both nature and environmental. Researchers are interested in finding out how much of each matter. Anyway, if you are going to hold your position that it is all environmental, just agree to disagree and move on.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:49 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/4usdyv72mz6f1.png?width=709&format=png&auto=webp&s=e74ef654ba2f75400a4f7e699b10523aaf768374 Openness, Conscientiousness, Extraversion, Agreeableness, and Neuroticism I am not talking about how masculinity/femininity is defined in each culture, but how these traits tend to show up in each gender (again, in a spectrum). Please excuse the use of Ai. I am posting the screenshot to be more transparent. I am not disagreeing learned behavior does not matter. But as someone that …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 01:08 AM
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Yeah we'd have to agree to disagree there. I believe more in innate nature that learned behavior fails to fix. Personality being nature or nurture has been a long studied topic, and while it is a mix, currently it is believed that OCEAN traits are more nature than it is nurture.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:33 AM
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I tend to believe femininity and masculinity exist on a spectrum, but they still exist. Not all women are feminine and not all men are masculine, but they are basically how each gender lean more in one way than the other.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/25 12:14 AM
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I am uninterested in going off on a tangent on PPD. I already told you to not change the subject, but you continue to steer the dialogue to your own interest. Not every conversation happens for you. Make your own post or something and talk with others.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:40 PM
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I am talking about mating behavior. Don't change the subject. Patriarchy should be talked about with more historical context.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 11:03 PM
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And I thought it was due to biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 10:10 PM
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I wasn't saying you were suggesting those things. That's why I said you might have missed it. I am saying that most wannabe trad men don't see respect towards women's wisdom to play a big part in such dynamics.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 05:25 PM
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You might have missed the part that in traditional relationships where men lead, women's wisdom was greatly appreciated and wise wives were highly regarded. Know-it-all husbands weren't considered to be the ideal. It is impossible to consistently make good decisions with a closed mind and a lack of input.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 05:20 PM
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I try to leave a top level comment (when I think my perspective could bring some value) rather than to respond to each one of the comments. That PPD phase is over for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 02:50 PM
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Yeah I’m kinda the same. I don’t want to date people who will age faster than what I’m used to seeing in my own family.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 01:16 PM
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Yeah you would never find me at clubs or hobby groups or cooking lessons or whatever. Nor on dating apps. I would not entertain cold approaches either. I pretty much only exist within my existing social circles.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/25 06:39 AM
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Highschool then reunited via Facebook a decade later. We went out briefly back then too. My mate preferences did change according to what I was/am more serious about at the time of choosing, but my tastes stayed relatively the same I would say. I would care about mate value if it was my family bringing me arranged marriage options. As it turns out, I am not that interested in getting the top guy I can afford in a superficial manner. Not saying that I would easily be convinced someone is for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 05:23 PM
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Realistically, yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 04:04 PM
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No income tax for the rest of my life? Sign me up as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:47 PM
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She’s had a few. Some controversial, some not. But the point here is that she comes from the same socioeconomic background, somewhat similar level of looks, and the same cultural background. What she told me is not supposed to be applicable to everyone, but could be more applicable to me. Like one that could sound ridiculous to some could be to marry someone from a less influential family than mine so that my family could protect me better. The most helpful one was that she chose my dad because …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/25 03:05 PM
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This is too general. People have too different circumstances that I find it more helpful to talk to people who are in a similar standing and have found the success I am looking for. As a woman, I would not listen to lesbians nor gay men. I have found my mom's advice to be the most helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:49 PM
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This made me laugh.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 07:45 PM
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I don’t constantly see hot girls with ugly men.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:57 PM
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Yes, I would be all for legal consequences for people who cheat or commit such fraud. It is just that I can’t quite figure out how it would work in a realistic sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:33 PM
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I think OLD is a variation of cold approach. And in that sense, cold approach is more relevant than ever. But it ain’t really helping the dating sphere imo. I think it is so much easier for me to feel something for someone within my proximity and start dating, than to have a select pool of men I am trying to feel something towards.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 03:24 PM
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Did it actually get rejected or is it pending approval? I personally don't see why this would not get approved.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:51 AM
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The post claimed he secured quality guys and it included a single dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/25 12:06 AM
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Depends on the baggage load
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 09:05 PM
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Yeah. My big cat was smarter as a kitten and knew what was food and what wasn't. This one attempted to steal my spicy soup yesterday.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 07:11 PM
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I have found a way to keep the lil kitty away from my food while eating. Every meal will be a candle lit meal now. I feel like a homo erectus that discovered fire. A wild beast being kept away from my food.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:58 PM
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Cause natty growth is too hard for them or they think steroid body looks similar enough or even think it looks better idk. The lack of v-taper is likely due to steroid use.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 06:56 PM
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I’m pretty sure he uses steroids.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/06/25 05:54 PM
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My boyfriend and I may be the exact opposite of you guys. We live on the other ends of the country, but neither of us are worried about fidelity issues. I think it can be fair to have the expectation of your partner to trust you, as it can be a fair expectation to want more verification. Honestly, my relationship would not work out at all if either of us required a lot of verification, and we do like that we trust each other to this degree. Other people may like that they could get that much ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 08:21 PM
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I was told that introverts need to be adopted by extroverted friends somehow and get dragged out of their houses.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:41 PM
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I don't know what you mean by thinking about them. I usually let humans be. I have never dated a guy who didn't show interest in me first, and I have had crushes on guys who never approached me. I was perfectly happy dating guys who showed interest in me so I just let things be. It doesn't make much sense for me to seek out others when there's already guys taking their chances. It would be ridiculous to dismiss their advances especially when I like them back. And there are guys in the middle who…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 06:15 PM
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You asked about looksmaxxing gpt earlier. I’m not sure how accurate it is, but it called a guy who gets cold approached occasionally irl and has pretty privilege as a guy a Chadlite.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 05:12 PM
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It is modelling. People who want to use their looks to make money tend to invest that way to get ahead or to stay relevant. And they might not have had one in a thousand face pre-surgery to begin with. But I tend to agree that the plastic trend is a bit much.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:38 PM
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I think it is something that comes out more naturally. People usually don’t try to hide it around me? Or maybe it is because I take interest in the guys I know already. I don’t align myself with a single party, and I tend to gravitate towards moderates. I don’t know what to say about flexibility. I think I am alright with men who are more open to social programs than I am. I generally am alright with moderate men with slightly more liberal stances than myself. Nah. I like people who don’t associ…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 03:31 PM
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I thought it meant to help others vet you by being authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/06/25 07:34 AM
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What you are determines your league, and who you are determines who you get to date within your league. A people of both genders generally still care about non-intrinsic qualities in their partners, so they have to care about their own league too.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:39 PM
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5'9 isn't short. Complaining about height making oneself bitchless shouldn't be at 5'9, but actually short height can pose a significant disadvantage.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 10:56 PM
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By the sounds of it, it sounds like you subscribe to No Pill. On this sub, when we talk about red pill, it is in relation to TRP, as stated in the subreddit's about section. The name Red Pill is a branding tactic. It builds identity and belonging through the illusion of insight. If you really feel that you are doing critical thinking and contextual analysis with no bias, no pill should suffice. To me, it seems like you attempting to hijack the already hijacked metaphor from The Matrix.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 08:29 PM
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If the descriptive nature is too rigid and actually does not allow for honest exploration with multifactorial categorization, there’s no point in conducting studies. TRP rarely specifies conditions or scope which are required in research. Working with a predetermined set of beliefs as TRP calls it a framework, instead of a hypothesis to be tested and potentially falsified is the antithesis of genuine research. I like genuine inquiry, not ideology.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 11:51 AM
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One big issue I have with TRP is that it relies on single factor analysis too often which does lead to overgeneralization and ends up sounding stupid. Multifactorial analysis or contextual design is needed, but nooo. I myself talk a lot in generalizations, and recognize the general female and male tendencies, but I refuse to associate myself with TRP due to its failure to use multifactorial analysis, when human behavior is multifactorial and would be more useful to use more categories. It probab…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 06:37 AM
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I've sent you some stuff via DM.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 05:54 AM
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You actually chose the most horrible niche for men. That niche market probably has one of the worst gender ratios.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 04:55 AM
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I asked for some hypotheses, cause the study itself does not provide any from what I remember. Kinda different from my own presumptions but yeah. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 01:59 AM
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Another predictor of infidelity was attractiveness. A person's own attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among women but not men (statistically insignificant) - meaning less attractive women were more likely to have an affair. A partner's attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among men but not women (statistically insignificant) - meaning men were more likely to be unfaithful when their partners were less attractive. https://www.business-standard.com/article…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/06/25 01:36 AM
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https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Earl-and-Grace-400x517.jpg Yeah he did
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:31 PM
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I think JBP could be more attractive than his wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 11:01 PM
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I think we need to figure out how to work with women's responsive desire and not call it BS.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:40 PM
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Well, admirable qualities can exist in many different forms. I have been impressed by someone not losing his temper when I was ready to blow my top off, and I had the biggest crush on a guy who put in his best effort and stayed with me after school, telling me that he knows I'd carry the project but the least he could do is to try his best. Women can be attracted to men with lower status or income, but only if they have admirable qualities, and women are able to feel the admiration, and that's w…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:35 PM
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Yeah well I see that transitory nature to be just as selective and unhelpful to monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:24 PM
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I still don’t believe males are that much better in terms of selectivity. I come from a line of really good looking women, and my Gen-X mom and aunts still have orbiters who are married with kids. Could be confirmation bias, cause it could be what we are exposed to a lot, but yeah. A partner's attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among men but not women - meaning men were more likely to be unfaithful when their partners were less attractive. This was also quite something.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:17 PM
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Well I am a bit of an old school liberal in regards to gender ideology stuff. I still believe individuals shouldn't be defined by their gender. But I think we may have gone too far that too many people believe the general male/female nature does not exist. I think we first need to teach people appreciation and acknowledgement, but that's wishful thinking. "Oh, I could do it better" or "that's nothing" mentality doesn't help anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:14 PM
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As someone with a Christian upbringing, I would like to say that Christianity in particular attempted to restrict both male and female sexuality. It can't work with just one gender being suppressed. And well, I think a part of the problem is the lack of gratefulness too. You can lose attraction when you focus on what's lacking. People aren't naturally too great at feeling grateful though. I was abhorred when I read this comment thread. At least to me, it showed how entitled people were. I think …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 08:04 PM
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Most of what's below is from what an Asian youtuber said. I largely agree with her. Women are attracted to admirable masculine men, not just good looking men, but society has largely erased that expectation from men. The idea of being admirable doesn’t have to be based on money or status. While many men assume these are the standards, they are not necessary. A man’s mindset and attitude can naturally inspire respect. For example, in situations where most people would lose their temper or complai…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:49 PM
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Okay. This is going to be long. I still think men don't take the best they can get when they are young and hopeful. And again, there's things like transitory relationships and forever girlfriends. I haven't visited the idea for a while, but I figured transitory relationships are the problem. The top tier people need to be taken off the market for good to empty out the most desirable prospects, and more people will see this as a time crunch to avoid the leftover market. Even the "assisted masturb…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:02 PM
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I think the normalization of transitory relationships (i.e., situationships) could be the problem. It doesn't exactly directly make women delusional, but it changes the expectation of commitment that it could change the dating sphere. In my days too. I am not sure if it has changed or if it has, when it has changed. But hell, I am cautious even when guys in my league approach me, cause I know what they are capable of. Even when there's league parity, women have to make sure of the nature of thes…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:59 PM
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As a Zillennial, guys around me seem to be paired up for the most part. A complete hypothesis, but I think male calibration could be slower than female calibration partly due to women having to do nothing to be calibrated. Women are able to learn from the guys that approach her or don't approach her, and by the quality and intent of the interest. Men however have to approach both upwards and downwards with believable amount of effort and see the highest range they can attract. As the pursued gen…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 05:36 PM
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I still think redpill cherry picks and spins the narrative. There’s silent moralizing probably due to the sense of superiority coming from what I consider to be a result of male ego. I too read evo psych and have plenty of cynicism. But as long as I sense moralizing and the lack of nuance, meh. I wish more people would stop moralizing and practice critical thinking. Don’t try to search for things one would want to hear, just to cling on. Critical thinking requires one to seriously consider all p…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:35 AM
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Yeah if your relationship was unstable at the time or you are only considering marriage due to an unexpected pregnancy, it is more than fair.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 07:14 AM
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A ring. No forever gf situation. Can’t be transitory.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:44 AM
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The question is, can she lock him down with her money?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:25 AM
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I used to think that too when I was younger. As of right now, I tend to think that it does not increase a woman's attractiveness, but perhaps her feasibility as a partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 04:09 AM
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Yeah so it is about male/female nature, then without moralizing it, they just do what they think would be in their best interest. Apparently, RPW isn't pro-redpill men. They just believe in the same male/female nature stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:18 AM
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I think there needs to be a distinction. Women's money shouldn't dramatically increase her mate value that it gives her access to men she would not have had access to without the money. Some may be less inclined to eliminate men based on his income potential though. But some still may want a man who brings in just as much or more. I don't know how many women actually do have enough income to feel that they no longer feel the need for double income either. But yeah, I am of the opinion that money…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/06/25 03:12 AM
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You said an attractive female virgin, not just any virgin. There's more than enough not-unattractive not-unemployed men who display some sexual restraint and only have sex within very committed relationships for these women to choose from unless she is hellbent on finding another virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 08:49 PM
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What do you think could be the reasons?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 08:27 PM
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I am of the opinion that maturity needs to be defined differently for each gender or even each person. To me, a big part of maturity is to round out your vices sufficiently to be compatible/tolerable with enough number of people. If a person has a trait that makes it difficult to get along with others, that trait may need to be worked on so that it manifests in a more acceptable form.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 06:01 PM
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No. I was raised religious.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:58 PM
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Make your Ai be more concise.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:48 PM
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I was at the store with two guy friends at the time, and one is a non-practicing Muslim immigrant and the other is a liberal. The immigrant guy is more like an old school liberal who is against labeling people (by gender or color or whatever) and putting people into little boxes which is very anti-pill. He is more or less a moderate now.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:23 PM
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I think it is kinda social circle dependent. I have guy friends who think paying for oneself is the norm, then I also have guy friends who were surprised when I said I would pay for the beer.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:09 PM
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The comments here often seem to be whether one's eggs could pass on heritable health issues, and at what point should one's genes should be eliminated from the gene pool for the child's future. I would probably take it as an insult if the guy thinks his genes are good enough to pass on while my genes are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 04:04 PM
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I think a good portion of the fun of making babies is to see the result of your combined love. I would actually be kinda disappointed if the kids only took after one parent and were not a mix of my couple. Many people use the baby face predictor cause they want to see the fruits of their love.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 03:37 PM
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She is stupid for marrying a known cheater.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/06/25 01:30 AM
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<image> Good luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 10:21 PM
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It isn't something I actively thought about. If we click, we click.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:53 PM
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Awww you adopted my terminology!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 09:09 PM
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I was getting bored and this happened.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:41 PM
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He brought the redpillers and bluepillers together...
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:38 PM
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Toast resides on ppd too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 08:09 PM
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u/PB-French-Toast-9641 are you thinking what I am thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 07:57 PM
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from 7 months ago
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 06:07 PM
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Participation being voluntary may throw off the stats quite a bit but yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 06:03 PM
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I think it really depends on how one sees privileges. Food and shelter can be seen as privileges to some, and not to others. I know people who had to take care of their own family financially that other pursuits including education were a luxury and privilege to them. Some even have ill family members that the parents need to prioritize or parents having to be elsewhere for work that they are unable to grow up under the care of their own parents. I'm not originally from the West, so I feel that …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 05:34 PM
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I'm of the opinion that there doesn't need to be a direct 1:1 comparable trait. Traits that make up SMV can be additive, deductive and eliminative and men and women may have completely different traits that go into calculation and in differing ratio. Ultimately, the final stack's percentile will determine the person's SMV percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 04:03 PM
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I am a meritocrat who is not very pro-Marxism. I think I would be considered a feminist since I believe in equality in opportunity, and people not being defined by their gender. Basically MLK’s “I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character” but the female version of it but not character and more characteristics. I still do acknowledge the general differences of each gender,…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 03:22 PM
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Idk such thing happens to me too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/06/25 05:24 AM
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I am assuming we are still talking about people who come from dysfunctional households. I think may have a bias that could be preventing you from seeing what women who come from dysfunction are like. The impact of dysfunctional childhood on women usually is that they often put themselves in harms way unable to break the cycle or just give up cause of their cynicism, not them being focused on the lack of gain. They often don't even know what gain looks like or that it is a possibility for them. W…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:42 PM
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but c’mon Your sister went through different boys like a lawnmower through grass... My anti-marriage female friends overwhelmingly come from families with issues. My best friend decided against having kids, cause she didn't want to pass down her trauma and she was sure her trauma would seep out of her. There's a girl my mom got to know when my mom was doing volunteer work for the less fortunate kids. My mom kept in touch with a few kids, and the girl has grown up. She doesn't know what love is, …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:53 PM
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I think people who say that usually mean warm approaches.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:42 PM
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What’s the purpose of saying that to me? Did I ever claim such a thing?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:40 PM
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Don’t put words in my mouth.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 02:25 PM
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You seem to be making a logical error. I am not suggesting anyone is more prone to confirmation bias. I am pointing out that there’s no point in feeling superior for watching if it is to feed one’s confirmation bias.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 07:58 AM
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Possible? Sure... But really really out of your control? Probably. I really do wish you the best.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 06:18 AM
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Whatever negative traits that catches attention. Being actually noticeably short (not just below average, but below the average range), noticeably neurodivergent (I am unsure of if and by how much early support could help), noticeably ugly that he actually stands out from the crowd for being ugly. I have no words of comfort for them. I am not too sure about the adulting status of men who have difficulties attracting women, and I don't associate those two together. I just think everyone who can't…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:27 AM
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Depends. Let's assume this guy is adulting just fine. If a reasonable amount of men with similar set of traits are finding success, but the man is deep in victim mentality, yes. Basically if he complains about not being privileged, yes. If he has traits that really disadvantage him, that makes it highly unlikely for him to find success, I don't. That's just really unfortunate.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 05:12 AM
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You will want to repost this on looks thread. It will prob get taken down. What I feel is pity, not disgust.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/06/25 04:58 AM
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To add, most well adjusted women tend to date within their proximity. If they are incapable of finding someone within their proximity, that could indicate more choosiness.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 06:21 PM
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I don’t think you are very aware of the things I say on this sub. You may have picked the worst person to accuse that of. A lot of the studies conducted nowadays have an agenda. Reader discretion is more needed than ever. Social science is more prone to misapplied use of generalization either intentionally or unintentionally. The scientific process needs to define the scope and the conditions very carefully so that the findings would be replicable every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 03:54 PM
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No, science is supposed to apply nuance and be aware of its limitations. But a non-insignificant portion of science have become dogmatic due to the flaws in the ways research is conducted.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 03:08 PM
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Are people watching without confirmation bias? And without black or white thinking?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 02:56 PM
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It may surprise you but I had WAY MORE freedom than the other kids. My parents implemented a very different parenting style which comes from my mom’s side of the family. It has some overlaps with the Montessori method.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 02:54 PM
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It considers developmental curves. I was taught a lot in the form of play and what’s supposed to be natural, just no wasted time. There’s developmental stages for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 02:17 PM
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I believe in leagues. And having access to a less politically correct and more conservative society, I just knew more I guess. I wish more people who identify with TRP would read actual literature and educate themselves though. If they are moralizing, they aren’t reading the right things.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 09:03 AM
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We focus on raising legacy children, and that requires dedicated parenting. My boyfriend and I are getting our game plan ready too. We are going over trying to perfect what my parents utilized, reading up on the research ourselves, deciding who’s teaching what and when, familiarizing ourselves with the admissions process of the preschool we want to send our kids to, and etc. I had my parents wake up me up at 5 every single day even on the weekends and holidays and had me be productive to get me …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 03:57 AM
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Who do you think is an 8... would be the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/06/25 02:14 AM
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Women also prefer younger romantic partners, according to a major new psychology study But this study probably focuses on initial attraction, not formation of relationships. Due to women's shorter fertility window, women may choose men who more closely aligns in life stages.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 09:34 PM
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Went to a garden to take a walk together, had food with live piano with a questionable pianist, then went to a rooftop bar.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:53 PM
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There's more right wing men than right wing women, so I presume right wing women could very easily go for a right wing men, so it may not happen very much. I am probably center-right that prefers more moderate or center-left man I suppose, but I am not an extremist.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:47 PM
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A woman who brought an amazing spinach dip to a party got herself an Asian girl tracking her down to get the recipe.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 05:39 PM
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It is supposed to be easy when you do the bare minimum. My mom had a professional job before she quit her work to look after me, and she thought of her role to be more than just keeping me alive. She tried to make sure I was doing the right things in each developmental stage. Even car rides were not the time to be wasted. Parenting is as hard or as easy as one makes it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:44 PM
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Is it different than strangers politely smiling at each other as courtesy?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 03:43 PM
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Such thing happens when they are insecure about their choices and often in themselves too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:32 AM
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what one of the most wholesome people i know said <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 06:30 AM
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The list was more of a what's an absolute no for you rather than who's perfect.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 04:00 AM
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With him, 19-21 BMI allegedly
/r/PurplePillDebate03/06/25 02:32 AM
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yes: 1000 miles away, feminist (probably), refuses to use marijuana, very quiet, never kissed a girl, SAHD maybe: devout christian (need to know more), 5+ years younger, Trump, Harris, reincarnation, same first name probably not: abortion, messy room, refuses to have kids no: weed once a month, dislikes physical exercise, gay marriage, gang, 5'5, police, gets drunk and hungover, slept with 20+ people, farmer, autism, sex offender, prostitute use, wants 4 kids not sure: porn 3x a week I am a mode…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 09:43 PM
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Merkel and Thatcher?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 08:14 PM
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I have some friends who are anti-marriage, and yeah they tend to have some level of trauma. Usually family related trauma.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:29 PM
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Family vetting your man is not modern at all. And back in the day, people did pair up usually within their own community where everyone kinda already knew each other or knew of each other. If there's a person with red flags, everyone in the community knew about the person. Attempting to date strangers? Oof. I think that's either very naive or thinks of oneself as a mind reader. I hope people of both genders take as many precautions as possible when attempting to date strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:26 PM
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There's a lady who took care of me when I was young, and apparently the husband who is now an ex quit his job to study to get into med school. She supported him and their children for 14 years by working for a sushi place or something. I find it ridiculous that it took him 14 years to get into a med school too but moving on. Right after he got into a med school, he asked her for a divorce saying that he wants to pursue a relationship with his first love who came back into his life. I don't know …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 04:17 PM
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I actually want him to have flexibility so that I could pursue my ambitions. And ironically, I have already chosen and I like my personal jukebox.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:29 PM
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Exactly. 100% is very generous.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:16 PM
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You said something very similar like yesterday.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:02 PM
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In my conversation with u/ChadChasingBReturns, we discussed this phenomenon. Following of trends could be influenced by the class divide. Back in the day, the trends followed what the most influential nobility wore. I think people may have the innate desire to peacock to emulate that influence. This also seems to affect people's tastes to a degree. They see things on social media and believe that's what's wanted. They are affected by trends cause they are insecure in their own choices.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:01 PM
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Why are we assuming it drops to 100%, and not 60% (barely passing) or even 30% sometimes? I am not just talking about looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:43 PM
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Your example of Dworkin shows that you are cherry picking for your narrative. Like B has said, some people are even anti-suffragists, and you too seem to think they stood for gender antagonism, and not gender justice. Also, do not derail my comment thread just to hear yourself talk. I’m not here to convince someone who’s already made up their mind based on bad faith arguments and ideological bias. You clearly didn’t read what I wrote or chose to ignore it because it doesn’t fit your agenda. Equa…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:21 PM
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So what you are describing is the female equivalent of beta bux where she brings extra convenience for the lack of perceived value. Something like my life will revolve around my partner, cause that added convenience gives me an edge in the game. I think the truth is, the added convenience often doesn't mean as much as these people want it to regardless of gender. But yeah some people resort to it. I personally do not want my relationship to have such leveraged dynamics especially in favor of my …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 02:20 PM
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This is the looks thread rexx, not n-count. Wrong week.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:14 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 12:15 PM
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Read again.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 11:00 AM
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It is possible. Just not that easy to vet with high certainty.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 05:52 AM
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You are shifting the goalpost from the validity of opinion due to one’s own emotional and experience bias to what’s more commonly spoken or not which is not the topic of the debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 03:52 AM
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Childbirth is what women are biologically required to go through if women want children of their own. It isn't really forced by men, but by nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/06/25 01:54 AM
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I like to be covered up... But not like THAT.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:36 PM
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Used also in feminism movement cause it reflects feminist values too. Dismissing it for its wide use is misleading cause it is still used for a reason. It just is way too commonly used everywhere to be claimed by one activist. Don't conveniently leave out what Grimke said which absolutely reflects early feminist values. You are trying to avoid the truth of how the use of feminism was derailed by derailing this conversation.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:33 PM
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I do think it is possible to change, but I think it is stupid to be with someone wishing the person to change. Change is hard, and not guaranteed. I too changed one major viewpoint (unrelated to the dating discourse). I am able to articulate why I thought otherwise, what made me change my mind, and what I think now. I think such viewpoints need to have a solid enough foundation to be unwavering, so that you would not revert back to your old viewpoint. You have to know that you would not flip aga…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:21 PM
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"Consequently I know nothing of man's rights, or woman's rights; human rights are all that I recognize." from Sarah Grimke who is thought to be the mother of the women's suffrage movement. Equality for all is a common slogan that's used in a nameless manner in many areas of equality related activism.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 09:01 PM
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This is exactly what I mean. Feminism according to the Oxford dictionary is the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the sexes. The basis of feminism is supposed to be the equality of the sexes. But it is increasingly seen and marketed as the advocacy of women's rights without the basis of the equality of the sexes, and that's why 83% support equality but not "feminism". Phrases like "equality for women" seems like just another PR tactic with potential misuse of the word, e…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:56 PM
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Yeah it seems like it is the female equivalent of beta bux.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:20 PM
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Overly ambitious people don't actually make the best partners for most people. That much ambition has to be met with that much flexibility. I alone have too much ambition so I need a flexible partner. I describe myself to be emotionally constipated and I chose a guy with much higher emotional intelligence than myself for the sake of the future child. I honestly thought I'd end up traumatizing my kid, and that wasn't going to be the worst thing in the world as long as the kid doesn't end up a los…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 07:16 PM
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I am talking about how the word was stolen. When 83% of people believe in equality, but not in feminism, we are observing how the perception of the word has changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 06:53 PM
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Musicians are already way more popular than you seem to think.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:58 PM
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Do they not even have two brain cells to rub together? Just because abusive Chads get women and incels don't, it still doesn't mean all women would choose abusive Chads. A pool existing for abusive Chads is not the same as all women going for abusive Chads. Incels could be incels because they are not wanted by anyone. That part could be right.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 04:10 PM
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I think the word feminism has been stolen by some crazy activists who are trying to justify their viewpoints with a label that originally carried soundness and positive connotation. It is somewhat of their marketing tactic to talk down to others who don’t agree with them. Now the word has been tainted by the ones who don’t actually believe in equality but entitlement.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:44 PM
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Since when is that guy handsome? His facial symmetry is so off with his nose being crooked and his nostrils being really uneven. And his hairline…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 03:32 PM
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I say this only because you are likely to be able to apply this method. So if you are desirable enough that you can comfortably aim for almost anyone within your proximity, it is much better to use the irl circle method. OLD pool is not the best pool to be fishing in. Irl circle intentions and pre-vetting are heaps better. It is not really a numbers game trying out randoms when you have the desirability to pick and choose from everyone around you and potentially from the past too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 06:04 AM
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thanks. it's been alright. hope all is well with you too.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 05:34 AM
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hey dune
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 02:13 AM
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I don't like lankiness either, but the classic aesthetically ideal male physique like Michelangelo's David tends to occur the most frequently within the 5'10 to 6'2 range. A lanky 5'11 means he was probably underdeveloped. The risk of lankiness isn't supposed to be that high for 5'11 men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/06/25 12:03 AM
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I think women tend to focus a lot on the nature of the attention they are getting, since they often have troubles figuring out if the guy is only in it for sex or not. However, I acknowledge that men have to face more rejections as men tend to be the pursuers, and shyness and general sociability affecting men a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 08:58 PM
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Gold diggers exist for the filthy rich. I am not talking about the upper middle class. And read my second sentence of the original comment. You seem to have missed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 08:15 PM
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Here on PPD, Blue Pill can be: - Intrinsic traits are all that matters - Intrinsic traits matter too Black Pill is about looks but can be: - Looks are all that matters - If you do not have enough looks, you are locked out Red Pill... it is kinda all over the place here. But generally there's - People who do not moralize biology - People who like to moralize biology
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 06:45 PM
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If a man rich enough, he will have enough opportunities to bag a hottie. Whether she'd be attracted to him would still be the question. I would say most women first apply the looks threshold then optimize for money, but there's likely a threshold for both.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 06:28 PM
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She wants what she considers to be the full package.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:22 PM
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Read her first comment again.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:03 PM
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My boyfriend and I will both keep our own names cause names have fate associated with them in our culture. Our kids will inherit my mom's name.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:02 PM
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She would not accept anyone who is lacking in any of those areas. Just be a Chad (blackpill) is not what she is asking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:58 PM
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She mentioned moral character.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:54 PM
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Blue Pill is just for people who don’t subscribe to The Red Pill. It doesn’t have a specific set of beliefs.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:50 PM
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People talk about mate value a lot, but fail to recognize that in order for a market to sustain itself, both genders need to want the top tier and will be as selective as possible. A market just does not work out if either one of the genders is as wholesome as they claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 07:02 AM
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Beta Bux or Convenient Women are the people settle for when they fail to find love with who they want. It exists for both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 05:04 AM
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I don't think what I do would be very helpful in you trying to figure this out since I may be out of the norm. The below is what I think would be probably acceptable. So I think you say you'd pay, she offers to split, you say it is on you, then what happens after this is probably the closest answer. If she insists, let her split. If she doesn't, go ahead and pay. Don't change up the whole vibe after you pay. Some level of attraction could be expressed before paying too to make it less weird.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 04:49 AM
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Brain is something outside of training. You should have said something like astronaut.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/05/25 12:11 AM
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No. It is musician.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 10:54 PM
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So there's this problem too. The way a dude acts around his bros can be very different from the way he would act around a girl. A guy could just act chill and try to fit in with the bros especially when he has less say in the group, and how guys hang could also be pretty mindless. Friendships don't carry the same level of risk or investment as relationships. You don't need to show that much about yourself to just hang out with people, but that's not really the case in relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 09:58 PM
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I think "Where are all the good men" is more spoken among the older crowd. "Where are all the good men" can be answered by most good men already having been taken off the market. But the truth is, if they are good themselves, they must be able to recognize the good ones who are already paired up. It should make them solemn, not resentful. I think who blame the other gender for lacking are just telling on themselves. And I think you may be giving men too much credit. I think goodness is pretty sc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 09:33 PM
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Well you are talking to me cloud man. I don't tend to frame things palatably. I try to avoid being disingenuous here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 07:28 PM
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This case is a prime example of being neurotic leading to a lack of trust, not trust and being neurotic coexisting. The gravity of the situation can trigger such neurotic needs, but that doesn't mean it should be called something different in this particular discourse. This isn't about framing things palatably, but identifying the underlying motivations and implications. “Trust but verify” is a euphemism for normal discourse, not this PPD one.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 07:17 PM
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They were engaging in a debate making such a claim disingenuous.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:58 PM
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Such phrasing is simply a lie. It should be called be skeptical and verify. Call it what it is. Don't try to dance around it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 05:42 PM
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Take standard deviation into consideration and look for the range, not the dead average. A good face is very valuable if it is actually good.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:19 PM
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Are you out of the average range of male height in your region? If not, a good face can still pull.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 04:13 PM
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I think you may be getting a very wrong idea from the internet and this place. Leftovers are a leftover for a reason. Sane people pair up and may stay in a relationship forever, and bad relationship materials or entitled people stay single or return to the market. If people try to date leftovers, it is kinda on them too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:54 PM
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East Asia
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 02:49 PM
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Well my country still is pretty sexist, but one way to circumvent that is to be born privileged. When the parents don’t have enough money to invest in both the girl and the boy, boys get more investment in education and sometimes even in diet. Boys who grow up like that often end up entitled and think different treatment is natural. And when the girls you go to school with have powerful parents, boys are taught to act better too.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 08:17 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/7nkcogk98v3f1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83c94e255cf02ec3db17b8757bea0f4ce2b29068 The way you describe your country is very different from what a lot of us probably know about your country. Better women’s rights might be more of a thing for the privileged class.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 07:11 AM
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Yeah now I try to follow the teachings of the Bible as I understand it while not identifying as a Christian publicly after some very unpleasant interactions with the prominent denominations in my culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:14 AM
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First choice and experiencing things together for the first time are different things. Plus, if we are to accept the SMP theory, both genders need to want the top rare percentile.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/25 06:05 AM
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If it is an arranged marriage, that's a fair question. If not, what's actually wrong with him? Say no to brainrot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 10:26 PM
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Yeah it is the easiest, laziest and cheapest form of investment for people with money to spend.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:52 PM
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What looks good, looks good; what doesn't, doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:29 PM
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/s But thankfully our ethnicity is the safest from balding and there's no balding genes in either side of his family. Within our ethnicity, balding is a sign of serious aging/deterioration. Deteriorated people are not hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 04:21 PM
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No
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:55 PM
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I generalize for the sake of discussion when needed.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:40 PM
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My boyfriend knows he can’t lose his hair or get fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/05/25 03:30 PM
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You know there's many interpretations of the Bible. The way the Bible was taught to me is quite different from the prominent denominations teach it in my Asian country. While our domination is considered a legitimate branch in the West, it is often accused of being a heresy or even a cult sometimes over there. The country tends to be very closed minded towards what's different.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 09:24 PM
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Eek. Japanese people have it pretty bad dating overseas if you want another from your country of origin ngl. The stats show that there's some somewhere, but I barely see them around, and the Japanese people are the least likely to form large diaspora communities, and they assimilate the fastest. Best of luck to you. It sounds like you really are going to need a lot of luck.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:40 PM
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ACS is a robust and high-quality data. I’m not questioning the reliability of the data source or the sample size itself. My concern is about the interpretation of the data when it reflects a phenomenon with a low base rate, not the sample size. Making generational claims from an outcome that applies to less than 20% of young men still risks overgeneralization. Even when drawn from a large, reliable dataset, low-prevalence phenomena pose interpretive challenges. The risk isn't about statistical n…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 02:35 PM
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I just think the claim that millennials didn’t have it easier dating-wise shouldn’t be supported by such low absolute numbers. Less than a fifth of the population is being used to draw these conclusions. Academically, using low absolute numbers are seen as a risk for overrepresentation or misinterpretation resulting in sweeping claims. Such numbers offer little real research value in this context; they’re more like something you’d expect to see in marketing, not in serious social analysis. It’s …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:42 PM
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I think it may work better on people with self esteem issues or some kind of issues. But mostly, I’d assume it is closer to selling the ideal and overselling the dating experience to get complacent or relaxed later.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:59 PM
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You might have a better chance looking in Asia if you speak your Asian language. Or consider looking elsewhere within Europe? The dating pool size can be a real issue. I too was considering moving to another city with more Asians at one point.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:45 PM
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Well the happy medium can be a slippery slope both ways, and is very hard to pinpoint where that would be. I think the modern way or striving for balance is generally safer cause I know of the ways that traditionalism can go wrong and how difficult it is to get it somewhat right though. But knowing certain things are ingrained in me, I knew I had to find someone with a similar mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:39 PM
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Living for others, not yourself basically. But just the explanation in words does not properly capture the mentality, cause there’s no equivalent to compare it to in general Western sense. The best way I could describe it is women in Victorian Era perhaps, but this is a mentality to be had for the entire family (not just the wife) under the name of familial duty. We erase a person in the name of duty and it is drilled into us. But again, this is old school. Most families are now somewhat wishy w…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:18 PM
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Perhaps the numbers could be saying more about the economy than anything else. I think those stats could be a poor way to determine whether gen z are coupling at higher rates than millennials. This could very well be a reflection of who can’t afford to live alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 03:21 AM
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Which part(s)? One's whole life story is quite long.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 01:31 AM
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I'm younger than you, but my observations are a bit different. Social media at least in my teenage years allowed students to communicate online, but we mostly made plans online and hung out offline. It was big, but how it was used was still way more balanced. When I was younger, OLD was seen as a loser thing people who could not date normally used. More people were expected to have lives primarily offline. I think we def had the advantage of having the opportunity to be better socialized.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/05/25 12:53 AM
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Having to date for a couple years or more became somewhat necessarily partly due to this too imo. There’s less clarity now.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:42 PM
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I had an odd experience with my boyfriend where I knew almost immediately that a marriage could work out between us. It was not a matter of attraction, but an alignment of values, understanding of the cultures we both experienced, and expectations. I may sound like a religious zealot here, but I am not trying to be. I think it just used to be easier when a lot more people shared a narrow-ish set of beliefs. People were sorta maneuvered to be compatible more or less back then.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 07:29 PM
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I didn’t date for quite a while after finding out more about myself. Basically, I am too much of an outlier in the West and that made my dating pool minuscule. I am a weird mix of old school Asian upbringing and Christianity with different interpretation of the Bible from the common way it is interpreted in my culture. Plus, as it turns out, my family is very old school even in Asia. Honestly, I initially didn’t realize how much I was influenced by my Asian upbringing until there was a big crisi…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:05 PM
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Well maybe not, but you also have to think of the competition and how competitive your own traits are to the other gender. I am not one who believes men are fine with a McDonalds cashier, but even when they mate a little below their own income level, it increases their dating pool while increasing competition for the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 03:17 PM
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Congratulations Lily :)
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:55 PM
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My mom did that, and my mom and I asked ourselves what my dad would have said about my boyfriend too afterwards. My boyfriend stayed calm and sincere when talking with my mom. My boyfriend asked what my dad looks for in a guy even back in high school, and I like that a lot about him. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with my family helping me vet. My boyfriend and I would do the same for our future children.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 02:54 PM
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We are Zillennial 1.5th gen East Asian immigrants. Because I have the cultural understanding, I don’t think it is necessarily weird when someone of my culture still lives with their parents, but when it comes to people from other cultures, it could raise questions. I did advise my male friend who lives in Asia to move out. He was in his mid 30’s at the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 05:10 AM
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Nah. I live on my own. My boyfriend lives at home.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:38 AM
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I’m too Asian to answer. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate27/05/25 04:28 AM
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I would actually argue that to compete at the top percentile, access to the top SMV of the other gender is more genetically determined for the women, while men have to hit way more right marks without it being completely genetic. The most desirable women generally choose a good portfolio that accounts for mutable traits too. The most desirable men generally choose based on immutable genetics a lot more. I am not trying to moralize this. Biology is what drives us to determine SMV/desirability per…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 06:36 PM
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SMV calculation itself is asymmetric for the genders. Youth matters more for women. Height matters almost only for the men. Men here even like to claim that low n-count matters a lot more for the women and so on. SMV percentile match after your whole portfolio is evaluated by the metrics the other gender cares about is relevant. SMV is not about some 1:1 comparison of the same variable.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:57 PM
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That calculator is dumb. I took off everything and just said I wanted someone Asian just to test it. Age from 18 to 85 including the ones who are married, any height and any income. https://preview.redd.it/dhp2zac7b53f1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=657112e961dc30bcf15b4285c8167d08e3cea9d3
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 03:34 PM
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Bait
/r/PurplePillDebate26/05/25 07:49 AM
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You don't take accountability and blame everything on others while being entitled like expecting everything to be handled and be handed to you. Asians say this too. Basically if a child gets babied all their life, we expect this to happen. Why we call it a last born thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 09:19 PM
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I think we just have a lot of introverted or risk averse men here. These traits pose more problems for men. Other than that, it is mostly about one's desirability.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 06:53 PM
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Not always. Perceived status matters along with what's considered desirable by the masses. But what you are saying can be true too though. I personally come from a culture with similar issues. Even my dad didn't even want me to marry a guy from my own country, cause he knew. It isn't just the guys like you've said. It is entirely possible to find a good man in modern times. But the family elders? Oof. My mom told me to marry a guy from a less influential family, so that my family could protect m…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 06:50 PM
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I never said it doesn't matter to people. I am one of the ones who care, remember? But this does not matter to the degree PPD believes it to matter that PPD n-count talk has become somewhat of a crazy talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 06:23 PM
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Yeah well we have many men claiming that even women with sexual restraint prefer man hoes. The sweeping generalizations are way too extreme and often don't actually capture one's dating outcomes. PPD guys in general absolutely underestimate how well mid-n women do, and how women who try to practice sexual restraint are penalized in the dating market. Even high-n women can meet men who just don't give much shit about her past. It is just-world fallacy everywhere when we talk about female n-count.…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 06:12 PM
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Well you are on the romantic side so I can see that you could care about that. I care about legitimacy and what's proper. The receipts of active engagement with one's principles matter to me for the reason. Like I've said, our views are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:42 PM
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Perhaps, but I kinda wish both genders would stop whining about the opposite gender not meeting their standards. Oftentimes, the reason why they bitch and moan is because they can't afford what they want. I care about my own count and my partner's count. Not many people attack me here cause I just tell people to do what they want, and deal with the results whatever they are. High-n women are not universally undesirable, and virginal women could even be undesirable to some. High-n men could be no…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:37 PM
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Some question whether one can afford such a standard or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:22 PM
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N-count CAN be a direct reflect of a person's views on sex only when the choices are intentional. Plus, not all intentional low-n people happen to have the same view on sex either. My boyfriend is the sex is something very special and should be saved kind of person, and I am the there's not enough good things that come out of premarital sex for it to make sense to me kind of person that values sexual restraint. Both genders can have whatever preferences for whatever reasons. But if one cannot be…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:17 PM
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I don’t find it offensive, but just annoying sometimes. It is kinda like people overseas always asking about the time difference. I once forbade the question. Just thinking about it gives me a headache.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 06:58 AM
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No. Just no. But I don’t want to say anything else so am posting here Again, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 06:01 AM
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Hey Lily
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:56 AM
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Not necessarily. I really am kinda prudish. Maybe because I grew up sex negative. But yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:55 AM
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I was about to post that, but you beat me to it. ⬆️
/r/PurplePillDebate25/05/25 05:48 AM
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Devout religious women are going to want devout religious men. In the West, virginal population is almost non-existent outside of religious context. Asymmetric SMV metric makes sense to me, but on the issue of attainability, you need to understand your audience and know what they are looking for.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 08:19 PM
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"Pretty similar" I was talking about the availability of the choice to choose otherwise, and the reality of having to live with the options one has. Oftentimes, being treated like the safe one is one's reality and the best one could afford. It is on the person to deal with it internally despite it being not the most ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:47 PM
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I personally don't use the term. The dominant theory currently is the sexual market theory. Hypergamy at least to my understanding is a unnuanced concept that does not fully capture the mating behavior, so got replaced by the sexual market theory. But yes, both genders for the most part need to want the top goods in order for SMP theory to hold up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:56 PM
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Chads are able to fuck without lying about his intentions and women usually know what they are getting. What you describe is more true when guys make her a placeholder or a forever girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:27 PM
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A mix of both, but because we have more than five people in each league, we are still able to vet for compatibility within a league. I also think people rarely full on dumpster dive to find compatibility, but maybe go a league below to do so.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:14 PM
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Both genders want the top rare percentage. That's how the whole SMP theory holds up. If attraction was equalized/relative, markets would not form.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:02 PM
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This is pretty similar to the first choice question when it asked whether you'd care if you are a man's first choice or not. There I answered, if you can afford to be the first choice, great. But that's not a luxury that everyone has, and what choice does one really have if that's not an option? If I could be attractive to someone, I would want that. If not, there's not much of a choice. So I think there's two different types of bonded couples. They are not recognized terms, but just what I am c…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 04:00 PM
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So the whole medium sized shirt throws people off I think. At 5’6 and 180 lbs, I presume he still is supposed to be pretty wide. I know a 6’ guy who was around 180 lbs so I’m using him as a bit of a benchmark. That shirt is likely extremely vanity sized.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:39 PM
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Here’s one hypothesis. There are women who sleep with men to cause they think they won’t be able to get/keep the man’s interest otherwise. She may have put in the investment (sex) only for him to leave perhaps? Again, a hypothesis. I have no idea for sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:20 PM
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If he is American, I kinda doubt that’s the case. They often think fat people are fit. If he was actually built underneath, I think he would have described himself differently.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 03:13 PM
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Precisely. Second hand experience is still pretty powerful.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 02:43 PM
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I was still extroverted and all when I wasn’t getting much external validation, but I agree that getting the external validation changed my self image a bit.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 02:28 PM
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Become desirable enough that when you find a unicorn, you are able to catch it. And really, learn how to vet. It is a lot harder than most people believe it to be depending on the type of relationship you desire. My parents had the best marriage that I know of, so my character vetting criteria was kinda insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 05:51 AM
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Go look at studies regarding infidelity rather than using anecdotal data. Men have a dual mating strategy which means their threshold for sex and investment are very different. They are happy to fuck the average goods. SMP theory crumbles if either gender were as wholesome as you claim.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 01:50 AM
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Nah, I just did fine arts for a long time but decided to go the Asian route in terms of career. I have friends and acquaintances in the industry that try to bait me into switching careers.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/25 01:44 AM
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That's not that easy of a question. So most people are not that visually literate. It is somewhat like only the musically literate people being able to tell what's slightly off in a performance or a musical piece sometimes. It can either be meaningful or not meaningful, depending on your audience. What goes mainstream usually does have sufficient quality still I think, but does not require the highest quality. What's trendy, new or what's captivating could be different from what's right even in …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:33 PM
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I am having another argument on looks standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:07 PM
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More people gravitate towards the ones with ideal ratios than you seem to imagine. You'd be surprised. Again, you can do some research into it rather than relying on anecdotal data. The thing about ideal ratio faces is that they are actually pretty rare, cause too many things need to work together. It is not like top 15% faces, but could be closer to top 1-2% or 5% at most if we are counting SUFFICIENTLY aesthetically harmonious faces. Harmony reliant faces have a pretty high bar to pass. I find…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:59 PM
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What I am saying is that truerateme is trying to be objective, when they do not have the ability or are trained to be objective. I am not talking about one's subjective taste. I have my subjective tastes too despite knowing what's visually ideal.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 08:00 PM
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No, I am not talking about those masks. If you are really interested, you should look more into ratios or measurements that in aggregate, make a face actually harmonious. It is possible to look off even with the best features, and it is possible to look right even with not the best features. This is an example of where we go past the conventional/cultural beauty standards, and try to make the face look right. I am in demand due to my visual literacy, so I don't actually use the ratios myself. I …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:47 PM
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There still are clinical models for the west too. They just are not visually literate enough to work without one nor are they knowledgeable enough to use the clinical model. The clinical model was created to aid people without the visual literacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:28 PM
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A funny group of people who think they are somehow based when they don't have the visual literacy. Tbf, a lot of surgeons don't have it either. This is why there's separate visual/beauty directors for Korean top celebrities. They should try getting such a job and see if they actually have the visual literacy. I'm willing to bet most don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 07:13 PM
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I think they could have enough desirability to simply cheat if we disregard the consequences, but don't have enough leverage to seek polygyny upfront. The OP attempted to justify himself with other polygynous cultures. What he is seeking is not the accepted form of polygyny, so he was wrong to use it to justify himself.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 06:04 PM
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these kinds of men are the ones that get complained about by both men and by women. Probably. How Stacies act seems to often be accepted by men as their God-given right. Women exclusively tend to complain about how Stacies act. Furthermore, many attractive people have a lot of practice being able to hide their true intentions I actually think it is the other way around. Attractive people can afford to be authentic.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:56 PM
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My last comment was to oppose the OP. I am just talking about what could allow for polygyny. Historical polygyny that was accepted was transparent and did not involve betrayal so it wasn't actually cheating, you are correct. There was a contractual difference. One did not expect monogamy, the other one does. I don't really care about what you would do or what I would do or some other women would do. I am saying, it is possible to have asymmetric dynamics with enough leverage. It is possible with…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:50 PM
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Well, people also have the option to mate down to gain more leverage. They just don't want to mate down to gain the leverage they need for less symmetric dynamics. Six figures usually can't buy one such a leverage. They just can't afford to do it the real way. The cultures where they had polygyny approved of it when the men could actually afford it upfront.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:36 PM
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Anyone desirable enough should be able to cheat if we are to disregard morality as a whole and the negative impacts. Marriage Means Nothing the 1089th Edition.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:24 PM
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Sexual marketplace theory collapses if either one of the genders don't want the top goods. The vast majority of people want the top goods, and that's what creates the sexual marketplace. Anyone who claims otherwise is either an outlier in the market or a liar.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:20 PM
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He still does not have every right to cheat. People should be shamed (and ideally punished by law imv) for not keeping their marriage vows.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:13 PM
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Attractive people can't really get away with more if they desire to mate across. It works when you have leverage to abuse.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:09 PM
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We have enough evidence of general human nature if we are talking about a pattern not outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 05:02 PM
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I am from the East and infidelity used to be illegal in my country. We can still sue the adulteress for damages. Indonesia passed a new criminal code that includes adultery as a criminal offense in 2022. Being against adultery is not some western idea. Don't make promises you don't plan on keeping.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 04:54 PM
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It can be seen as a form of disrespect for the woman and the relationship even without insecurity being present. People can have different views of what’s actually appropriate within a relationship. If the couple agrees with one another, great.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:29 PM
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A person's own attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among women but not men - meaning less attractive women were more likely to have an affair. A partner's attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among men but not women - meaning men were more likely to be unfaithful when their partners were less attractive. https://www.business-standard.com/amp/article/pti-stories/unattractive-women-more-likely-to-cheat-study-118021400477_1.html So… according to this study, …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:22 PM
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Some people make such a decision to forego the most superficially desirable individual they can get when a league below is still more than satisfactory and doing so allows them to optimize for other traits. But I would say superficial traits still matter nonetheless. It doesn’t mean we dumpster dive, we just go a league or two below.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 03:17 PM
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Demanding submission when it is unearned or not mutually agreed upon. In some cases where someone’s ego gets out of hand. The photo is how ancient Asians saw masculinity/femininity. There’s some positive words. I think the lists do a better job of describing what’s likely to be unconsciously perceived as masculine/feminine by the masses. Not perfect but a good enough example imv. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 09:02 AM
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The cultural difference is quite big. Trad values don't just stop at who does the housework, but it is deeply embedded culturally. The more trad the woman is, the more she understands. And these women's families generally aren't that progressive to accept their daughter marrying a foreigner in general. There is often some degree of nationalism or something of the sort too I find. Because traditionalism is often something that's just drilled into us from young age, and it often goes beyond what's…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 02:15 AM
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As long as they realize they are getting foreign hoes for the most part, and not some good girl, whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/25 01:42 AM
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No, he just has sexual dimorphic traits that make him very visible. Aesthetically, he isn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 07:42 PM
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A major city somewhere. I wasn't in Chinatown.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 06:38 PM
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Yeah I decided to conform over time after accepting how humans are generally wired.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 06:35 PM
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They need to get rid of employees that don’t speak English.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 06:05 PM
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Depends. I think at age 29, the dating norms/needs could shift a bit that it may even be understandable for people who didn’t have issues before to have some level of confusion too. I have a friend in his mid 30’s like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/25 05:59 PM
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I think some may have a ridiculous threshold of what's alright, and might cling onto little breadcrumbs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 11:20 PM
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Thank you. The big obstacle to actually making something like this work in modern times is that such mindset has to be widespread for it to be feasible for many, not just that it is not taught to kids. Delayed gratification or restraint probably isn't in our nature. Even Asia is losing a lot of its older practices.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:55 PM
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Not really. Men are more likely to adopt a dual mating strategy or have differing thresholds for sex and investment. I just think neither gender should moralize their own biology anymore, and try to understand the biology behind why each gender act the way they do. Both genders want the other gender to cater to the opposite biology, calling their own more fair or virtuous or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:08 PM
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Yeah I am saying the latter could be a better equivalence. The former has to be different due to the biological differences anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:00 PM
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Oh they were serious. Don't force your viewpoints on others. We were just understanding of each other's circumstances, and high pressure careers often require such partners especially if you don't want to deplete someone emotionally for you not being there. We valued compatibility, but were realistic when we learned our lives were unlikely to converge. Us being understanding of the circumstances is a form of love and respect. Which part of wishing them well on their journey is a lack of love? It…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:47 PM
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What makes you think the first relationship or the second relationship had to have that much investment from any of the participants? We all dated each other cause at the time, not one of us would put relationship over our own success, and we all liked that about each other and found that comfortable. We did not want high maintenance partners or high investment relationships. With the second one, we even forgot each other's birthdays, and we both understood each other. That's the kind of careers…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:57 PM
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I agree that women in general don’t seem to be happy when such thing happens. However men here seem to claim that they would not be insulted and would actually be flattered by women asking them out even if he deems her unattractive. I can see that the better equivalent would be them lashing out when they get rejected by a woman they didn’t think much of.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 03:01 PM
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I didn’t break up with them cause I changed or whatever. My different choices were regarding my new partner choice as I also mentioned in my first comment. The first one and the second one ended mostly due to life circumstances. The first one we had to move away from each other (ended up in different countries), and the next guy, we ended up not being able to see each other for a whole year. The third one, I ended up going to the police due to that one. I like to think I respect everyone’s menta…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 07:07 AM
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While I think Big 5 likely is nature for the most part, people are made to adapt and learn according to their experiences. That’s a big part of survival as an organism. Environment nor experiences are a constant. You are trying to argue what to define as change and what not to.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:33 AM
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It is possible to change. I always chose based on what I was serious about at the time of getting with a man. I first chose a guy who was serious about his studies when I was serious about my studies. I then chose a guy who was career obsessed when I was career obsessed. Then came the guy who was intellectually competent when I was craving for an intellectual connection. I didn’t want a family of my own when I was younger, but I indeed did change, and now I am with a man with family values that …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 06:07 AM
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The “socially retarded” culture could be the normalization of revealing clothing, not the expectation to change the way one dresses once paired up. Women were expected to dress modestly at all times, not just when they are paired up. I think it can be seen as controlling as these women have already made their decision to present themselves a certain way. This is a don’t wife up a hoe kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/05/25 05:24 AM
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I did til death did them part.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 11:59 PM
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Ex-model/actress level pretty women still get free things into their 40's and 50's like free legal work. They can pull a lot of favors. Just above average, I am not sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 09:45 PM
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There are more factors you need to consider and there will be more restrictions due to them. If you have a career opportunity elsewhere, your family will also have to be considered before you make a decision.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 08:25 PM
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Why would opportunistic people miss a great opportunity to build more social capital? Uber ambitious guys play all the cards in their hands too.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:52 PM
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I think competence stack may outperform status stack. Status stack is often preferred by women who are more concerned about their own status (from what I can tell at least anyway so purely from my own observations), but competence stack is respected even by the women who don't lack anything at all. But I have not read a single study on this particular thing so no scientific evidence whatsoever.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:47 PM
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So what is it that you said about alpha widow?
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:34 PM
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Guess that could have been just what I see around me. A lot are at least well connected if not already from influential families.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:32 PM
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I just put status in the competence bracket. Pretty much the same thing at the top.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:26 PM
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Female celebrities often seem to go for athletes who have an athletic stack. In the wild, at least from what I see, they tend to go for decent looking guys who have a competence stack. I think there's a looks threshold but men usually have to play with more optimized portfolios rather than a trait spike.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 07:22 PM
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Could be due to this. https://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/eli-finkel/documents/InPress_HuntEastwickFinkel_PSci_000.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 06:43 PM
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There was a study on this. Another predictor of infidelity was attractiveness. A person's own attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among women but not men (statistically insignificant) - meaning less attractive women were more likely to have an affair. A partner's attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among men but not women (statistically insignificant) - meaning men were more likely to be unfaithful when their partners were less attractive. https://www.bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:58 PM
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If we are talking about intrinsic traits, I don’t like men who lack decency. Striving to go the right way is my family’s motto. The ability to repent rather than justify would be important. I am generally more comfortable with men who embody Christianity since that’s the environment I grew up in. Other women can choose whomever. Not all of them share my values, and that’s alright.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 03:47 PM
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I watched Cole Hastings videos a few years ago and at the time, it sounded like he tried to be balanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 02:45 PM
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well I was thinking of Pearl and her cohorts. anyway, i think they display patterns of people who just lack leverage and want how they act to matter more than they really do. Pretty much the same as the PeRsOnAlItY crowd.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:18 AM
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Height is a part of men's looks. It counts as a part of looks SMV calculation, not female empowerment. When it comes to approaching, risk aversion can influence it for sure, but the ones who desire the other more also tend to approach more. Paying for dates, I actually do agree with. Dating a man who makes less money than them, again I think it should be alright. Being the bread-winner/provider, I just don't know if a lot of people could actually afford to do so. But temporary unemployment, I gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 01:10 AM
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Nah it is a beta female.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/25 12:49 AM
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I wanted a maine coon but one friend said the cat would eat me for dessert and another said when I need to evacuate, I could ride the cat down the stairs.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 08:07 PM
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I think male-female friendships are possible, but I've also seen mid AF people cheating with each other on their partners. It isn't really all about physical attractiveness. Needs more nuance than that.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:56 PM
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I was taught that a mother's job is to get her children ready for their adult lives, and was raised that way. We are supposed to grow out of needing our parents' care. Modern parenting's failure is exactly that. The problem is that we have overgrown children, not that we are unable to acquire new parents in our adult lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 07:51 PM
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I am still side eyeing but alright. We have an UX designer on ppd. Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:53 PM
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Ummm
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 06:49 PM
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Yeah. Absolutely not. Lol I think the face that works in both the East and the West is prob Daniel Henney. He is mixed though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 04:31 PM
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There are creepy behaviors but there also could be different thresholds for acceptance depending on one’s looks. Hot/crazy matrix applies to both genders.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 12:22 PM
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I find that Changs that have defined features are the very in demand by Asian women, but when they can’t get one, these women go for other sources for these defined features.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 11:33 AM
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Maybe try to get to know people in more of a group setting and keep the relationship ambiguous enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 11:29 AM
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Act cool
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/25 02:54 AM
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The issue I often see is men thinking they need to max out on all metrics. But the variables that make up male SMV aren't independent from each other. They tend to build on one another. Basically, the traits usually stack together to push someone into an overall SMV percentile range. They don’t behave like separate chances that multiply together.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 11:05 PM
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No, we are waiting til marriage. We are Asian immigrants from different countries. The traditional side of his culture apparently denounces dating to get to know a person, and dating should be with someone with actual intent to marry, so that’s what he did. I was taught by my mom to only have sex once I can be responsible for a child and only with a man I would form a family with. Having a child out of wedlock is actually insane in my culture, so… And yes, he is waiting. If he wanted to, he woul…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 10:36 PM
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Bonds could be good too. My regular expenses are covered that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 08:41 PM
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Older women condemning age gap relationships are almost immediately seen as insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 03:21 PM
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I think my face started to settle in my mid teens but that's quite a normal growth pattern for it to be considered a glow-up. I grew up in a family that has top model/actress tier faces with people who were in the industry before, so my perception of myself is probably not high. I am always in the process of "discovering" I guess.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 02:39 PM
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I do not watch porn. When I was shown them, I found them gross. I am the type that women warn guys about fyi. I have no intention of ever wearing anything over-sexualized even privately.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 05:04 AM
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Until I balanced my hormones, it was really bad like crawl out of bed to take advil and crawl back bad. Now I am mostly low stamina so have shorter active hours but have enough productive hours on advil to not completely ruin my day.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 04:51 AM
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I think dark circles are one of the more hyped up marketing parts of skincare. I wouldn't have too high of expectations in that regard. But skincare is good.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:12 AM
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Voluntary Celibate
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:08 AM
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Where did all the good men go? The vast majority of them already taken by good women. Both genders who ask similar questions have the audacity to assume they are one of the good ones. Even the single ones who are actually good know who the good people are, and know these good people are already taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/25 12:05 AM
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I don't think redpill claims that. Redpill wants the women to be young and beautiful. And some of them even fantasize trading up when the woman is no longer young and beautiful cause that's the value match of a successful desirable man.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:56 PM
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I don't think minority are voluntary non-cheaters. A lot just don't cheat cause of potential consequences. Remove all consequences, then we'd be talking.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 07:36 PM
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Usually the religious or culturally conservative types would answer yes with some caveats. I am a mix of both and I am dating a volcel that I am planning to marry.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 05:50 PM
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Yeah it depends on where you live. I moved to a city with more Asians from a super conservative small white town and everything changed.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 04:19 PM
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When i said that, i was asked to rate her body and her hair 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 03:59 AM
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What i said
/r/PurplePillDebate17/05/25 03:57 AM
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i don't judge women until i see them without makeup.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 11:08 PM
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That's like bringing home a single mom with six kids from different papas.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 07:12 PM
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I think he is better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 06:46 PM
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I partly sold my boyfriend on his lack of promiscuity to my mom. We both agree it is highly unlikely for self-indulgent men to make devoted husbands. I come from a fairly strict family with a devout Christian dad.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 05:15 PM
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You should be taking hairloss medication not steroids then imo. If you are fine with going bald faster, that's also fair. The ones with balding genes apparently suffer from steroid hairloss a lot more apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:58 PM
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I mean there's stuff like Have standards vs. Don't be too picky Be sexually empowered vs. Don't move too fast Make the first move vs. Let him chase you Dress modestly vs. Show some skin and so on... even for women You have to realize what could potentially work for you and the limitations of the method. How attractive you are does matter in which methods could potentially work or not at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:57 PM
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Steroid boobs. But I might be the one who is more perceptive than others. There’s also a real risk of hair loss.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 04:21 PM
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I’ve heard of some very disgusting stories from other schools and I think the school’s culture had something to do with it. I liked having enough nerd peers. We did have party kids who did drugs and all but we still has plenty of nerds.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:52 PM
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So there’s circumstantial low n and intentional low n even amongst women. Circumstantial low n for women could mean that she just didn’t have enough attractive guys giving her the type of attention that she wanted whether it be serious or casual. Intentional low n takes more than just that, but PPD tends to lump them together.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:49 PM
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If you moved for university from a small town, you probably didn’t end up in some unserious school. I moved from a super conservative town to a big city for my education too, and I found some schools have way more serious students than others.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:45 PM
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I have no desire to be the ugly one in the relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 03:06 AM
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I was thinking a drug dealer
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/25 12:28 AM
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Yes, there's a lot of people in the middle. But my point is that what you are describing is still circumstantial, not active abstinence. I don't like how they talk about completely voluntary celibacy when they don't have the same values.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 08:06 PM
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Kinda true. I know the soda stuff cause an only child guy used to throw away the soda after girls took a sip. I too happen to be an only child.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:52 PM
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The problem I have with some people is that, if they had a choice, they would have had casual sex. That's not having the same mindset as people who are actively abstaining.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:42 PM
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I am not talking about people being monolithic. I am talking about there being enough people who are interested in casual encounters with such a man. If you are bringing up physically attractive women, you are introducing a new limitation, not the actual difficulty of getting laid for those men.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:31 PM
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They could even steal your soda unprompted. But seriously, I would never. Eww I would share utensils with my partner only when the alternative is my hands.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:26 PM
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online dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:08 PM
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online dating apps
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 07:08 PM
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Well at least you are keeping the DT alive.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:17 PM
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Can’t remember unfortunately. But we even had a guy posing as Chad, setting up dates and ghosting the women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 06:05 AM
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No. People made fake accounts and just tried OLD with chad pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:55 AM
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Like catfishing, using chad’s photos to catfish.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 05:27 AM
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If you want to marry within your tier and not look below, you still need to watch yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/25 03:29 AM
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You share a lot of traits with Pete Davidson.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:45 PM
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So I'm the masculine one and my boyfriend is the feminine one in my relationship. When he held my waist for the first time, he apparently had to tell himself that it was his brother's waist to get himself to hold my waist. I laughed in his face, not with malice but that's so adorable kind of manner. Teasing him should end in a pout, not in lashing out or getting defensive. In terms of education and career trajectory, celebrate my achievements with me. I am keeping him around for a reason. Looks?…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 09:27 PM
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Idk. PPD chadfish experiments suggest otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 07:12 PM
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I appreciate your honesty. I hold the same standards to women fyi. If a woman just hasn't had a hot enough opportunity, or a desirable enough committed offer and remained a virgin, that's circumstantial too.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:36 PM
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You need to post that again for the pic above.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 06:05 PM
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I think undesirable traits that actually register fall under this category. Like a clearly ugly face that actually stands out and registers for being ugly, height out of the norm that registers as short even when someone is not thinking about height, and probably neurodivergence too. I think they are highly unlikely to be saved using TRP advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:47 PM
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If he is 6'4 while being good looking, shouldn't he have a lot of women on OLD? I think you are likely overestimating his face if he can't pull on OLD. But yes, overall I believe it must be difficult to have casual sex consistently for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 05:27 PM
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I only care for one's virginity when it is a testament to one's values. Celibacy can either be a conscious choice rooted in personal values or a circumstance. One doesn't get to play the virtue card when it was due to a circumstance, not conviction.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:31 PM
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What makes you think conservative men want to wait? They usually are the men with the strongest double standards I've seen.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 04:27 PM
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Which part do you want to hear more on?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 03:28 PM
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I think in general, femininity leans passive and masculinity leans more proactive by nature. I believe there’s some inherent differences although I see it as a spectrum. I very much doubt enough women being not passive enough to actually make what you are suggesting work in a large scale.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/25 08:17 AM
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I still need to do some more academic digging into this, but it seems like men of all tiers voluntarily choose monogamy only when they have access to high tier women not in a relative manner, but an absolute manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 09:37 PM
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Women like hot guys make more sense than women hate monogamous men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 09:32 PM
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Well at university level, professors are not expected to interact with the students, so they are more lecturers than teachers. K-12, I think they could matter a lot more.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:12 PM
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I’ve had some very amazing teachers. Around 2 in each high school. I think you can replace lecturers, but not caring adults.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 08:02 PM
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My boyfriend avoids this place like a plague. But we did get together a little less than 2 years ago.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 07:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:26 PM
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Not necessarily. People who are more likely to have gotten what they wanted were less likely to cheat. People who didn’t get what they want or don’t value what they have are more likely to cheat. Men’s own attractiveness had a statistically insignificant correlation and women’s partner’s attractiveness had a statistically insignificant correlation if I remember the actual study correctly.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:03 PM
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I hate calling the government. I had to call it multiple times to even be placed in line and now am waiting in queue that was estimated to take 21 mins and now it is saying 29 mins. Ughhhh
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 12:49 PM
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https://np.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/FudmgJdINL I am still yet to read the actual study.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 12:26 PM
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Apparently, Another predictor of infidelity was attractiveness. A person's own attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among women but not men - meaning less attractive women were more likely to have an affair. A partner's attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among men but not women - meaning men were more likely to be unfaithful when their partners were less attractive. https://www.business-standard.com/amp/article/pti-stories/unattractive-women-more-likely-…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 06:13 AM
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Isn't that pretty similar to taking a girl out to a McDonald's date?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/25 01:49 AM
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Which is fair and I feel similarly. I just happen to be quite cynical of people in general. So I am pretty much in acceptance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:11 PM
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The thing is, both genders like to moralize their own biology. Male and female biology are different. One allows for a dual mating strategy, the other doesn't really. Each gender wishes the other gender to cater to their biology, not one's own. A lot of men want easy access to casual sex. A lot of women want men to only pursue them when it is with serious intent. Honestly, not many people are that moral or virtuous, so people usually act according to their biological programming which some peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 09:05 PM
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You will get banned again for witch hunting.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:27 PM
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I'm a woman who is in a longterm relationship. I think biology isn't supposed to be pretty. But at the same time, if you aren't able to give the benefit of the doubt, you are also incapable of love. Basically, be desirable enough and learn to vet. Also, as far as I know, TRP is for the average men, not men with severe disadvantages that push him out of the average zone. Let me reiterate that I believe biology isn't pretty; it can be brutal and unfair.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 06:26 PM
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Could be conservatism from religious or cultural influences.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 03:06 PM
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Yeah my boyfriend too is like you, but I have not seen many like you guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:36 PM
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Facepalm
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:21 PM
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I like The Secretary Problem method with some nuance.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:00 PM
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Who might you be? A new face on the DT or just a new name?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:23 AM
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People usually end up with someone within their league. If people are adamant about finding certain traits in a person, people usually go a league below, not full on dumpster dive. Just fishing down a league lets you optimize a whole lot. And honestly, it is not like we have 5 products on the market. Within one's league already has a lot of compatible people for most people unless the person is some extreme outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/05/25 02:18 AM
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Coat and cow
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 09:53 PM
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Nope. I'm doing the exact opposite. He now works out and watches what he eats.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 09:49 PM
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Whoa
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 07:03 PM
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I exist. My ex-playboy friends describe me as an ice queen or just dry. They make great shields as friends though.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 06:02 PM
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Thanks for answering. So once the attraction is established, it doesn’t break from them seeing the past you or finding out that you don’t have that much experience.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:26 PM
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I thought PPD had women claiming that their boyfriends aren’t Chads and that the term Chad was being thrown around too liberally.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:24 PM
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I think it really depends on the culture. In trad marriage markets, the wall actually does exist for both genders. Being over 30 for women and 35 for men will duck age points.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:10 PM
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Musician Chang.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:08 PM
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That used to be a thing in my country until they changed the laws. A lot of people think the law shouldn’t have been changed. I am one of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 02:05 PM
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Since when does a 9 have to lie in order to get laid or do whatever… There’s less trickery involved with them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 07:59 AM
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Out of curiosity, does pulling out the picture sometimes backfire or nah?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/05/25 03:15 AM
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Oh Korean actors like 15-20 years ago were peak. Especially their men.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 11:57 PM
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Old legends like Grace Kelly, Audrey Hepburn, Elizabeth Taylor and Monica Bellucci were good looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 11:35 PM
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I actually deduct the most points for ever engaging in non-committal sex. It is not about who someone remembers, but how they approach sex. Different people can want different things for different reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/25 05:54 PM
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Hope you post it when the n-count mega thread is up. I'm curious.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 07:22 PM
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I am not sure what you mean by Chad treatment, but you are pursuing a relationship with someone, but the same person treats someone else better? That's a telltale sign that you or your relationship won't be cherished.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 04:18 PM
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Humans generally aren't virtuous, and biology isn't supposed to be pretty or indiscriminate. A part of the big misunderstanding is that males have a dual mating strategy (basically commitment vs. sex issue) due to the biological differences. PPD is mostly both genders trying to moralize their own biology, and wanting the other gender to cater to their biology, not one's own. That is not how things work. We like to think we are better than our biology, but eh.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 10:14 AM
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Look for reciprocation and how they treat Chad/Stacy vs. you. Regardless of gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 06:59 AM
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I went to two high schools. One had a decent music program. The other made me hate school assemblies.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/25 12:00 AM
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Have you considered mentioning you haven't come out to your family on your profile to avoid future heartbreaks and for you to vet for compatibility in a more efficient manner?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 11:57 PM
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Okay, I will have to read the actual study, but from this link alone, now the hypothesis is that the age that men and women feel the biological pressure to settle down is the main factor for the age gap in stated preference. They want to be with someone who would want to settle down when they feel like they need to.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 10:30 PM
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Okay I asked the question. The link is updated. https://chatgpt.com/share/681d1c39-1ef8-8000-82e7-7bbe8f061aa4 Look near the bottom. Again, I am not sure about the accuracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:46 PM
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Ah. The link I provided could be a good read.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:36 PM
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Here's the estimated effective range of the above formula. Range Modeling Validity Explanation 0–25% ❌ Poor Inputs unreliable, subjects often invisible, not playing in the market. 25–40% ⚠️ Limited Marginal presence in market, may be excluded by default filters. 40–85% ✅ Strong This is where your model best tracks reality and can predict outcomes fairly well. 85–95% ⚠️ Weakening Top-tier compounding begins, individual variance rises. 95–100% ❌ Breaks Outliers dominate, charisma/fame/etc. overrid…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:22 PM
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Okay, I ran it through ChatGPT myself cause the numbers didn't really add up for me. Studies suggest biological features overrule traits that can be changed through effort. Apparently our brains are really serious about the genetic markers, and possible fraud. Factor Weight Scientific Basis Facial Structure & Aesthetics 35% Strongest predictor in revealed preference (Tinder, speed dating, facial symmetry). Height 15% Independent, robust female preference even when controlling for SES/muscle. Mus…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 09:22 PM
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Are you getting why some people like to hide out from the main thread now?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 07:46 PM
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I know one, but it is just one.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 06:28 PM
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Well go speak to one of the matchmaking agencies then if your country has one. They could probably give you an idea. I could get better suiters through family than through matchmaking agencies though due to my family's connections.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:46 PM
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The apps are not for the top suiters. And my country is weird in a sense that who we date and who we marry are supposed to be different. You may pass the dating metrics, but not the marriage metrics, and that's what you have to be more careful as a non-native. You can have a boyfriend/girlfriend but you could still get matched by your family and go on those arranged dates while having a boyfriend/girlfriend, unless you have communicated to your family that you are dating a specific person with t…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:41 PM
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Isn't it possible for you to get arranged in your country too then?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:37 PM
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I should clarify. Nowadays, you CAN get married to foreigners, but that's usually children who grew up abroad and ended up meeting their partners organically like myself. But family elders won't like it at all usually. Arranged marriage market and the matchmaking market are different beasts, and is very discriminatory on all metrics.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:33 PM
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Please erase the country as I have told you I don't disclose my country openly. And no, foreigners are not considered. My family wanted to reject my boyfriend even when he is the same color as me cause he is from another country.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:24 PM
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But yeah, I was open to getting arranged before I reconnected and got together with my boyfriend. My parents were arranged and had the best marriage that I know of, so I wasn't completely opposed. But because I grew up in such a rare household, I too wanted the kind of cherished marriage that my parents had. That's what I ended up placing more emphasis on. Not saying that I don't care about looks and what not. As long as he doesn't get flat out rejected by my family even with my leverage and rap…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 05:21 PM
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You should have gotten a message
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:37 PM
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These metrics are according to the matchmaking services scoring or for arranged marriage cause my country still uses them. Educated at a top school. From an established family. Holds a prestigious job (or is rich but that’s lower tier usually). Tall and handsome. Not balding. 35+ gets points ducked. Net worth. Personality/values matter too apparently. Not that I would choose based on these metrics, but that’s how actual services determine tiers. Whoever sells the best in the market should be cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:23 PM
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Glad to hear that 🤍
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 04:08 PM
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https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/why-are-people-in-japan-marrying-their-friends-instead-of-searching-for-romance
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 08:07 AM
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I am using them precisely as defined in psychology.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:43 AM
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Main thread is nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:39 AM
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I am. Calm down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:39 AM
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Neurotic is not the same as neuroticism. Neuroticism is not a mental illness. Calm down.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:37 AM
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salmon, beef and lamb
/r/PurplePillDebate08/05/25 01:24 AM
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Based. I am pro-hair transplant. Hair is so important.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 10:12 PM
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Yeah, seems like it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:51 PM
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I was refuting the point that you do not know of a single decisive woman. The average in neuroticism in women is higher that results in many things including lower average decisiveness. My point was NAWALT, not denying the average neuroticism difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:50 PM
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If that’s how you wish to interpret it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:44 PM
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<image>
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:42 PM
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Finance. Law. Medicine. Edit: not GPs. I don’t consider them as doctors. I mean surgeons.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:35 PM
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That’s giving off AI generated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:33 PM
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You don’t survive in certain professions without decisiveness. Those professions are not in void of women who perform well.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:32 PM
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I think there might not be 1:1 equivalent. However, desirability portfolio for males and females are stacked with different traits and with differing degrees of importance. SMP is about the exchange of composite value. It is not about finding 1:1 comparable trait.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:26 PM
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Not at all. I am one of the lucky Asians that don't. I just like cashew milk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 07:16 PM
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You just made me pour water into my cashew milk.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:53 PM
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Yes to replaceable but here's the thing... Especially at the start of the dating phase, you do need to have the time to invest. It could also be seen as the preview of the relationship. There's not much invested into the relationship so it is a lot more fragile too.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 06:39 PM
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When I was flying out to go on a first date with my boyfriend without seeing his recent photos, I was praying for two things. Don’t be fat and no balding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 04:34 PM
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I think professional grade photos could be a bit off-putting but that’s just my opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:32 PM
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The thing is, looksmatching first happens usually on genetic health markers, not body fat level unless one is obese enough. Fitness is good and all, but it isn’t as much of a boost or a bottleneck within a reasonable range. You can do some research into this. But if you are getting the women you want, good for you. You probably have the genetic health markers for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 03:26 PM
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TRP is supposedly for the average man, not men who are at the very bottom and got seriously screwed genetically. This sub is for discussing TRP I believe. I do agree with you in the sense that some people are actually screwed, but that isn’t who we are supposed to be discussing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 02:31 PM
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I think at 5’6, a man may need some very compensatory traits. Glad your bro had them though.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/25 09:20 AM
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The willingness to drop the term doesn't mean you are willing to drop the idea that women seek for better and men don't. It isn't a semantics issue, but simple market theory universities teach in first year econ. Women are just more calibrated than men probably cause of their inability to adopt a dual mating strategy. Men's failure to optimize is a display of miscalibration, not their undiscriminating nature. A woman's age is such an easy marker of fertility, and it is measured in absolute terms…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:39 PM
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My main account's flair is "I upset everyone". I will probably be a mean old dog too eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:20 PM
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Yeah there can be contradicting science, and even pure BS ones. Reading scientific literature is not about trusting blindly or spinning it however you want.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:19 PM
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Women's biology requires a "strong" man for the sake of protection. So women's sexuality gets activated when they are reminded of the strength. On the other hand, male sexuality gets activated when they are reminded of signs of fertility. That's why women lose a lot of power in the SMP when they get old. Again, this is not hypergamy, but what makes up desirability in each gender. You seem to not understand how hypergamy is used even casually. You are trying to use it as a catch-all excuse. Hyper…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:13 PM
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Ooooh hi fred!
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:38 PM
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It feels as if I am the only one who reads and parses through evolutionary science when I am on the main thread. u/tacticaltossaway
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:37 PM
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Physical cues of fertility are biologically universal, and men’s preferences are more concentrated around those markers than you might be willing to admit. Across cultures, male attraction consistently centers on youth and signs of genetic health which all rooted in evolutionary pressures tied to fertility. What’s often framed as diverse male taste still operates well within the boundaries of genetic stability indicators. Features like averageness (which in scientific literature, refers to morph…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:30 PM
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I’ve actually been digging into the question of male investment baseline lately. I have found no data that holds up under scrutiny, not because I’m trying to be biased, but because much of what’s out there is either based on rating scales rather than percentiles, or it’s too distorted by short-term mating signals (due to where the data was collected). Women’s mate choice tends to be more consciously strategic than we often acknowledge. That's why women are sometimes considered to be the calculat…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 07:06 PM
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Male dual mating strategy is neither a virtue or a lack of one. Both genders keep moralizing biology on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 06:32 PM
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Not on this thread, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:52 PM
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We can post about whatever minus whatever is against the subreddit rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:47 PM
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I’m sorry you are going through this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:40 PM
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The daily thread is often where people hide out from the main thread. The main thread is kinda for people who like to hear themselves talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:33 PM
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Yes, it is difficult even when people are taught gratitude and collectivist mindset from young age, and these things have been eroding overall. Not saying that collectivism is all good, but I think one has to accept and internalize it a bit still. Good lasting relationships still exist, but yeah I too would say they are not easy at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 05:23 PM
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Males have different thresholds for how much they are willing to invest. Since males want access to sex, some even dumpster dive with zero investment. This male behavior distorts which women are being chosen for life. When we do look at lifetime commitment, SMP is not a charity for neither women nor men. Men stop being generous with the ring. I am not moralizing this in any manner fyi. Males have the biological capability to have this dual mating strategy. It has nothing to do with virtue, but b…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:19 AM
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Males have a dual mating strategy. If we are only talking about lifetime commitment, I am not too sure about the difference. And we must not forget male investment threshold is different from male engagement threshold while for females they are the same. Only desiring sexual engagement is generally a male thing and it adds a lot of noise to the signal.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 11:00 AM
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Women’s mate selection tends to be relative to themselves like “richer than me” or “taller than me”. Men often optimize using absolute standards like young and attractive. The fact that women use a relative frame doesn’t make their behavior hypergamous. Hypergamy in both evolutionary literature and TRP refers to strictly mating up. Women trading up in certain traits is just strategic mating. Men who fail to understand their own market value, or misuse their currency often end up taking the best …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 10:19 AM
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We can still recognize unequal exchange in value. They usually don’t last however.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:56 AM
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Women picking and choosing which traits they are paying for with their own desirability as a currency is a conscious trade off, a value exchange. They are consciously dating down in certain areas to pay for what they want, just like men are okay with dating down in some aspects. You’re conflating trait-specific optimization with hypergamy. Again, this is being ingenuous to label only one side as hypergamy when it is just universal market behavior. Also, men being that generous is only true for n…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:38 AM
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SMP theory collapses if we don’t believe all the market participants of both genders want the same top goods. Men and women may value different things in each other, but that doesn’t mean both genders aren’t wanting the best one they can get out of the market. Only calling out women’s wants in men is disingenuous when there’s desirable women according to men’s desires too.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 09:02 AM
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SMV is not 1:1 comparison though. Some traits matter more/only in women and vice versa. Youth matters more in women. Height matters way more in men and so on. A lot of people also claim that N-count matters way more for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 08:52 AM
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Kdramas do some nice PR for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 04:16 AM
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Why are you inventing a new goal? The goal was already set at 2k. Getting more would be exceeding expectations. Settling by definition only happens when you accept less than what you were aiming for.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 03:25 AM
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They don't. SMP theory only holds up if both genders want the same top goods. Attraction is not sufficiently relative to one's value. It is more about the absolute value for SMP/leagues to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:19 AM
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Go through her post history.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 02:14 AM
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<image> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/settle-for
/r/PurplePillDebate06/05/25 01:55 AM
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Think this is a woman asking other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:57 PM
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The ratio drops as people pair up, and the good ones are taken off the market permanently. Still it doesn't mean there's no one at all, just gets exponentially hard as time goes by.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 11:35 PM
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GIVE ME THE PIC how can i find it?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:16 PM
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There needs to be a bit more nuance. The entire concept of SMP only works if everyone wants the same rare-tier goods, and the real desires are not relative to one's own mate value. Any woman/man not being rare enough are actually being settled for, not "chosen". There was a study that suggested unattractive women cheat more (but men's own attractiveness did not have a statistically significant impact), but men with unattractive female partners cheat more (but women's partner's attractiveness did…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:43 PM
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Being traditional is real tricky. Most people have no idea what it entails, and what risks it poses. They are focused on what they want to get out of it, rather than what's needed to keep everyone safe and the dynamics functional. Nowadays, I just see people who are wannabe trads who think acting out the surface level things is all there is to being trad. It could work for people who actually live by God's words cause humans usually need His wisdom to navigate such dynamics, not surface level Ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 09:20 PM
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You know the picture!
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:45 PM
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Does anyone have the pic of the fish looking tall man dating a horse looking woman? The pic used to suggest just be tall?
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:15 PM
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Lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 10:36 AM
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She edited her first photo heavily. Her frontal is not supposed to photograph like that considering her nose in side profile.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 06:14 AM
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I thought 135 was around top 1%.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 05:28 AM
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Unless you have some extreme hair fetish, hair alone cannot be a 7
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:58 AM
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hair alone is a 7 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 04:38 AM
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Yeah. Clinical model was actually made so that there’s nothing off about the face. The idol adapted template is a bit more about marketable features, but still emphasizes what’s pleasing to the eyes. Yeah the differences in beauty standards certainly are there. I also chose my lane and looksmax according to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:59 AM
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Yeah it is unhealthy for normal people to care. They are doing things right in the West. Also why Korea’s lookism is crazy.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:49 AM
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To get to the top tier, you need the nose. Mids can fight over who has the largest eyes and only care about the eyes. Different tier issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:46 AM
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Yes, exactly. I am talking about the features the general public pay to obtain through surgery. And yes, the features they gravitate toward and like.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:40 AM
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Well the industry is actually quite broad, but the most blackpill ones usually are the consulting types. Both plastic surgery consultant and image/style consultant are real jobs. They are not just used by celebrities anymore either.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:37 AM
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Offputting or weird had already been eliminated from what I was talking about. I am not talking about exotic. I am talking about mainstream film and idol, not modelling.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:30 AM
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I am not saying eyes don't matter. I am saying the nose is the bar/gatekeeper. Even in idols where eyes become more important than for film, nose must be a given. Idol-adapted templates too show this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:22 AM
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I live and breathe East Asian blackpill. I have connections in the industry and have standing job offers from the industry too.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:13 AM
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The clinical weighing order stays the same for all East Asian countries. I am being a bit of an asshole for limiting Asia to only East Asia. Excuse me for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:06 AM
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Even you said it is the Asian fixation. Hence, it is the feature that matters the most actually the strongest determining feature for your looks tier. It really ain't the eyes. Even in Asian clinical scoring, the nose gets about 25% of weight and the total eye zone (not just size but the angle and other traits of the eyes too) gets 18% of weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 03:00 AM
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Eyes don't add that many points for Asians. Nose is more critical.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/05/25 02:44 AM
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Okay lol i’m laughing over here.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:49 PM
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What? People even made a word for it?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:48 PM
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What is an ecofeminist...
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 05:43 PM
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poke
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:32 PM
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That just reads like a promiscuous person to me. They are often avoided by non-promiscuous people.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:55 PM
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Is the OP in China or in Korea? There's a possibility if so. I guess India too.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 04:27 AM
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I care that a man has only had sex within very committed relationships with full awareness that sex can result in pregnancy. I was taught to only have sex when I can be responsible for a child and only with a man I want to have a family with. I am neither pro-life or pro-choice, but abortion is a very serious decision that I do not want to go near.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/25 03:31 AM
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More bombardment in your dm.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 07:58 PM
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Not particularly small. I was a visible kid.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:48 PM
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I’d refuse to go to my high school reunion to not get talked about for my boyfriend and I getting together. My couple would be the topic even after the reunion ends I think. We went to the same high school and briefly went out then too.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 06:39 PM
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I don’t go around ranking everyone. But when it comes to my own partner, it is a series of elimination, not an additive model.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/05/25 03:26 AM
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The thing is, circumstantial low-n/virgins might be alright with such a man, but intentional low-n/virgins are likely to be not. PPD tends to lump them together, but circumstantial ones tend to be the ones who lacked the opportunity to either have sex at all or be with someone they desired. If the opportunity presented itself, they very well would have. Meanwhile, intentional ones are, well, intentional. Even if the opportunity was present, they would not waver and stick to their values.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 10:47 PM
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Oh... Sorry to hear that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:13 PM
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Musician Chang. I bring my ears. /s
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/25 04:43 AM
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He has boobs.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/05/25 10:00 PM
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My friend and I found him so funny. Who the f says that. We were saying his lines to each other laughing our asses off.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 09:10 PM
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There's pros and cons to both. Extroverts tend to be happier even when I am not around, and introverts seem to be happier with more time with me. Extroverts need more people and don't necessarily need my full attention. Introverts seem to enjoy just a few people and I need to be one of them. If I want to be spending more time with the partner, introvert. If I want to have a lot more freedom, extrovert. I don't really mind either. My introvert boyfriend currently suffers a little due to my social…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:40 PM
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Well I am a woman and I already optimize my body fat level to my facial structure. Face should actually come first imo. And it is also possible to look too small, and it matters more for men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:36 PM
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I asked looksmaxxing gpt. not sure how accurate it is, but it said men who need fat to look better is about 50% of men according to it, but men who look OK with fat it says falls around 70%. But your logic actually does make sense to me. Your comment should be at the top. Looksmaxxing is a lot more nuanced than what most people think.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 08:28 PM
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What percentage of men do you think need the extra fat?
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:48 PM
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Hope it works out, Sea!
/r/PurplePillDebate29/04/25 07:40 PM
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Okay well now there is a crazy tool that can tell the integrity of photos (filters or facetune), plastic surgery history, if they are makeupmaxxing and possibly whether someone is fat or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 10:59 PM
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Yeah cause you are more natural
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:44 PM
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Oh you did the wrong thing. Korean adjusted PSL ain’t it. Korean Surgical Aesthetic Scoring is what you need to use. Not Korean beauty standards.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/04/25 12:28 PM
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Maybe she knows she needs Jesus.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 11:45 PM
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Have you read my comment cauli? I am curious!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:16 PM
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read << you should ask for a korean clinical aesthetic score. you might do better under that metric. The Western PSL over-rewards "striking" features even if they disrupt harmony, proportion or natural beauty. and PSL doesn't always filter for surgical or makeup based distortion. you don't wear makeup and you are very naturally lovable looking! I SAW YOUUUUUU (and lmk after you get the score)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 10:03 PM
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Nope. It decided to add the Spanish part.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:36 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/2uajhs3lfgwe1.png?width=658&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff02586ad5ca1b78bc8a34dc7b3a0e9625f68c6e "how well do you think i'd age?" phew.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:34 PM
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https://preview.redd.it/rjtzra2megwe1.png?width=673&format=png&auto=webp&s=a1fc04543908f6e8b60a61860466ccc065f5a0f7 i think my lips are regular sized, but def not small.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:25 PM
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I didn't expect yours to be bad cause you don't wear makeup to fake your features, and you don't look "off".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:23 PM
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both. the screenshot is from the looksmaxxing one. i asked it to compare itself to the korean clinical aesthetic system. its regular scoring has its limitations. https://preview.redd.it/251xjb148gwe1.png?width=702&format=png&auto=webp&s=39ca0add2debb9878382d1209861d1a2f6d4e15b
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 08:48 PM
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That's too general. China and Japan are wishy washy with their ratings and are quite inaccurate. Ask for Korean clinical standards since they are structural and systematized therefore consistent. Koreans are crazier than blackpillers btw. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:55 PM
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/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 07:32 PM
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i spammed your dm
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/25 09:03 AM
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Not sure of the accuracy of the statistics, but it was what I could find. “74 percent of men and 68 percent of women admit they’d cheat if it was guaranteed they’d never get caught” https://hackspirit.com/infidelity-statistics/
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/25 08:05 PM
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There's general commonalities shared by people of each field, and the type flexibility I look for have not been present in engineers I know at all. I agree there are people with "engineer brains" capable of abstraction, but that's not what I am looking for. Structured abstraction and fluid abstraction are very different.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:55 PM
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Autism is more than introversion. I am an extroverted woman who is happily dating an introverted man, but I care very much about the ability to think flexibly often in an abstract manner. I don't even like most engineers as they are too rigid thinkers. Having a similar enough cognitive style matters quite a bit when connecting with one another.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:21 PM
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I am perfectly fine dating my looksmatch already, but I don't want my desire to work like men's.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 09:31 PM
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Most people won't have the opportunity to be someone's "first choice" regardless of gender. It is something people should come to terms with. SMP only exists because there are preferred individuals in each gender by the market participants. SMP would not exist if even one gender was actually wholesome and not superficially driven. You seem to be disheartened that we don't live in a fairytale. Most people learn that the best they can afford is someone who still treats them right even if they are …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 09:16 PM
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I was speaking more in terms of not making enough yet. That case might have to do more with cultural stigma and expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:14 PM
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I think women are alright if you already have a solid career path ahead of you. Maybe that’s a semi finish line idk.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 08:08 PM
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Humans are still human. They will often say whatever helps them get through the day. I don’t necessarily blame them although it can annoy me too. It can be healthy to have no to little expectations of humans sometimes. Could also help you get through the day.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:32 PM
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Yeah well sometimes things could be better untouched. I think there’s value in coping rather than to consciously desire the unattainable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:25 PM
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Humans in general suck more than what most of us are comfortable with. But then again, sucky people tend to end up together, and good people do better in finding other good people.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:22 PM
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More realistic goal for most is to find a partner that would treat you right even if you aren’t the first choice. You may see it as coping, but that is something a lot of people have come to terms with. That’s what most comments are probably saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:07 PM
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Yeah. It can be better to vet when people are young and show their raw selves. One’s nature doesn’t really change. They just get better at masking that nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:47 AM
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Have you met pro-life Christians? Many of them might have premarital sex, but they will still shame you.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:35 AM
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Like I’ve said, it could matter when it is attainable and it is an option. SMP only exists cause there are people that are preferred in both genders over others by the market participants.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 10:24 AM
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It could matter if the option to be the first choice was there. But if not, what choices would I have really? It sounds like people get mad because they wanted a Disney fairytale but didn't get one. Be realistic and come back down to earth a little.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/04/25 12:09 AM
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There's a difference between circumstantial or intentional virgins/low-n's. PPD tends to lump them together. Circumstantial ones tend to be the ones who lacked the opportunity to either have sex at all or be with someone they desired. If the opportunity presented itself, they very well would have. Intentional ones are, well, intentional. Even if the opportunity was present, they would not waver and stick to their values.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:29 PM
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I think there's levels of degeneracy, but brothels and strip clubs ARE degenerate. I would think anyone who claims otherwise to be crazy or disingenuous. Anyone who engages in such activities are engaging in degenerate activities. I do agree that degeneracy is a sliding scale. Engaging in premarital sex within a very committed relationship is still not proper, but less degenerate than having sex outside of a committed relationship. Hence, I could have accepted a man who engaged in the former but…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 09:11 PM
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People generally act different when the stakes are higher.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:40 PM
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I am not sure what SW is but I consider brothels and strip clubs to be degenerate. I denounce degeneracy.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 08:39 PM
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Yeah, I am aware. It is just smart to take the precautions cause there’s always a possibility of encountering those minority of men. Considering the number of men women regularly interact with, such offenders should be in the minority unless the woman is an outlier herself and lives a weird ass life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:44 PM
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Well since you are comparing it to Nowadays, some men go on multiple dates, act like they want a relationship, and ghost the woman right after having sex. Isn’t that more unethical than being upfront in a paid, consensual setting? My answer would be possibly? I am just against chasing instant gratification and hedonism, and believe in practicing restraint. I think people who do forego sex and stick to what they consider to be more important are less likely to be tempted and chase other forms of …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 07:22 PM
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who was a "sugarbaby"?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 06:38 PM
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Height/body is for mids fighting for mids against mids. Face reigns supreme unless the guy is noticeably short. Face being the most important metric in terms of looks is pretty well observed in studies I believe.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 06:36 PM
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No.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 06:17 PM
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Every post had an 5’2 [redacted] janitor show up. I think TRP is supposedly geared towards average men, and we are supposed to be discussing general dating dynamics rather than bottom outliers.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 06:17 PM
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No. I was stalked before. One of my closest friends has put a man behind jail for attempted rape. Two of my other closest friends got sexually assaulted. I thought what they had experienced was weird too until I had to go to the police myself. I am not in anyway saying AMALT. I think men are generally good. But there’s still bad ones out there that we need to be cautious of. If we are to say like 1% are bad, chances are, you still are likely going to come across one eventually.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 06:10 PM
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Lean and toned. I don’t require anyone to look like this from the very beginning, but should be reasonably shaped and should be willing to put in the work. I think so? I know it is possible to not eat like crap. I cut out most processed foods, refined carbs and sugar from my diet. I work out everyday and keep myself toned too.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 05:04 PM
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Attraction is not as straight forward like that. Making someone perfect on paper does not mean attraction. The only one that could work is when there was pre-existing attraction, but the guy was too poor to pursue a lifelong relationship with, then he somehow fixed his financial situation. It is only possible to make oneself more generally attractive, but attraction is not guaranteed from that person who gave the advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/04/25 06:39 AM
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Well some redpill men liked to claim that men desire to spread their seed, rather than to be with the highest value woman possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 10:20 PM
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Well you work out. I think the BMI classification is for people who don't. Asian classification is due to how we store fat differently. We store more as visceral fat and health risks start at much lower BMI for us. I think a lot of it also has to do with build too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:50 PM
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Not at all. Borderline overweight by Asian BMI classification.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:41 PM
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Making him work out and refrain from eating sugary stuff.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:35 PM
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I'm exactly the opposite. My boyfriend's mom is impressed with how fit my bf is getting.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 05:23 PM
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Socioeconomic status differences usually end up in the upper SES not seeing the lower SES as seriously and lower SES becoming playthings or replaceable. Middle class men could be alright with lower-middle class women, but generally speaking, any more than that is not going to end in a marriage .If it does happen, she will probably have to be alright with some side pieces. Many rich women can screw around with young pretty thangs too, but that's about it. Short term fun happens across SES but not…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/25 12:17 AM
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Elaborate please
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 11:34 PM
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I think marital status lookup should be available for both genders. Salary and political views are a bit much. Political views could not only be used for dating but could be used for political profiling in other cases too.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 09:07 PM
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Socioeconomic status differences usually end up in the upper SES not seeing the lower SES as seriously and lower SES becoming playthings or replaceable. Middle class men could be alright with lower-middle class women, but generally speaking, any more than that is not going to end in a marriage. If it does happen, she will probably have to be alright with some side pieces. Many rich women do screw around with young pretty thangs too, but that's about it. Short term fun happens across SES but not …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:59 PM
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I lived in a small town for a long while, and there's stark differences in the dating culture between the small town vs. a major city where I live now for Zillennials that I am able to observe. Most of my contacts on Facebook in that town are already married and often with kids in their mid-late 20's. They have a very small isolated society. No, they aren't Mormons but it is a Christian town. I think a big part of the problem is that people in urban areas is people attempting to date strangers. …
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 08:44 PM
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I don't think it is about looks, but rather the dating style of the woman. I don't think it is very realistic to be vetting a complete stranger. Anyone can act a certain way for short bursts of time in limited settings, and people for sure will in high stake situations. I think ideally, you need to observe the person in the wild in various settings when the person is not overly motivated to be seen a certain way. I think you have to see yourself as a mindreader or have to be very naive about peo…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:45 AM
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I used to feel that way about women who have premarital sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/25 03:33 AM
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There were life circumstances we couldn't overcome, and we broke up amicably in a mature manner was probably the best answer you could give.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 11:55 PM
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I got a D in Religion so that I could transfer out of a Catholic school for example. I probably should have gotten an F, but the teacher didn't fail me. My parents played their cards, and I played mine.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:24 PM
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Living the good life.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:19 PM
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In my next life maybe.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:16 PM
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What makes you think I was that good of a kid...
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:14 PM
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Making your partner choose between a pet and oneself is stupid. A pet is a dependent and requires human care but you are an adult and human that is not a dependent and should be capable of taking care of oneself. It is actually a red flag if the person doesn't realize that and chooses the partner instead. It is irresponsible. I even believe pets should come before adult human children.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:09 PM
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How so? My first cat is being nuts.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:09 PM
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My first cat is so insanely possessive of me. She is also stubborn AF. She reminds me of me. smh I don't think she is going to give in and she will not stop at nothing until she gets what she wants. I am getting told that I'm getting a taste of my own medicine. https://phys.org/news/2019-02-cats-owner-personality.html Now I am rethinking whether I actually want a kid like myself or not. What a nightmare.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:59 PM
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It is actually weird for someone to not go to university in my culture. I at least try to be somewhat culturally appropriate too especially on the outside. I don't have standards like "makes as much as me" or "as educated as me". But someone who goes against my culture too much ain't for me. Must have a bachelor's from at least a questionable school and having an acceptable job for my culture are my minimum. FYI, I'm 100% the type to give up on marrying a guy if my family disapproves, and that's…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:46 PM
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Huh it doesn’t sound like fitness is basically his entire life. You might need to elaborate.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:51 PM
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I agree. People are acting as if the kids do. Like how much excuses are you making for these kids. Parents are failing to even get the kids to do that much.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:42 PM
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Doing marginally better means still ending up mediocre is what I mean.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 02:34 PM
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No, I am thinking on a societal level and I think the level of discipline is more or less universally applied in order to get anywhere at all. I think it is absolutely the parents’ failure for not drilling enough discipline into their own kids. Regular school is not supposed to be that difficult. Especially since we are speaking on a societal level, school requires a lot less discipline than what’s required for success anyway. As a society, parents are failing their kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:59 AM
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Eh I still don't care for mediocrity that lacks the discipline to succeed. Either someone has the discipline to get somewhere or they don't. Mediocrity will fail one along the way anyway, and mediocre people will just let life dictate itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 10:32 AM
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I am asking since the original comment said women are less likely to know. Then this would be one way to find out. So is your solution then better vetting or accept that you are being settled for (and that he could leave potentially)?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:28 AM
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But do you think it is based to test your partner like that or nah
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:03 AM
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You know my position on SMP. I will send a link soon.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 09:02 AM
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Oh what do you think of those vids where one partner tests the other by having someone more desirable message them?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:57 AM
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This is partly why women should strive to be better so they could have access to men with options.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:53 AM
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Oh I am not sure if he believes so. She apparently is an admirable lady, and he is very much pursuing her for very wholesome reasons. She thinks highly of him too but turned him down solely due to his age. He thinks she is worth the risk/effort it seems.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:52 AM
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We'd have to agree to disagree. I still think it is a lack of discipline. I don't get fat people who have the opportunity to eat less to lose fat, and I don't get students who have every opportunity to study but refuse to.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 08:50 AM
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Are you sure? That surely wasn’t the case when I was in school in Asia. But Asian parents have definitely gotten soft. We used to drive our kids to suicide over education and I’m from that generation, but it sounds like too many of them have overcorrected. They knew how to “motivate” both boys and girls back then. But honestly, a lack of discipline should be fixed by the parents, and they should figure out how. Forget academics. What is anyone going to do without discipline? It sounds like a lac…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 07:15 AM
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He wants to get married, so he wants to date a woman who is suitable for his timeline.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 05:42 AM
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How did you find that out
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:58 AM
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A male friend of mine who was born in 1988 is being pursued by someone who was born in 2004. He has been trying to dodge her while trying to pursue a woman who was born in 2000.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 03:50 AM
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We are talking about not too high level schooling here I think, not to excel in a field and make a name for oneself. The level of reasonable success we are speaking of is possible with just involved parenting for the majority of people imo. And we have less involved Asian parents too. They are just more involved in a general sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/04/25 12:04 AM
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I would not say most women have the luxury I do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 11:19 PM
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Maybe my definition of a friend is too limited. It could be fair to describe them as friends. But you know there are some people you haven't categorized yet, but have had some interesting conversations with that let you get to know each other to a degree and are already fond of. Not many anymore unfortunately. I am at the age where people are mostly paired up and the social circles are quite stagnant somewhat intentionally. I like to talk to strangers a bit too much and when I was younger, I wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 10:25 PM
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I am not sure if I agree with this quote to begin with, but the general idea of what you are saying is, Women are not attracted to men who are violent, but to men who are capable of violence and choose to control it. or as Jordan Peterson puts it, A harmless man is not a good man. A good man is a very dangerous man who has that under voluntary control. The idea is supposed to be a bit more nuanced.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:38 PM
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It is not as easy as you put it. I had the easiest time in high school when dating didn't come with strong expectations in regards to sex. I basically nuked my dating pool when I was the only one (with some exaggeration) not offering sex. Cause I nuked my SMV, my perceived RMV had to be really high, and high enough so that men would not decide to play the male version of AF/BB with me, and wait it out for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:18 PM
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Simply slim women aren't valued enough by most guys to forego sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 09:10 PM
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Generally speaking without getting political, I don't think the schooling system was necessarily made FOR girls. It was made when we had involved parents. With uninvolved parents though, it just happened that girls were easier to manage. I don't think reforming the schooling system is the answer, as we have seen boys thrive in the same system. I feel that the discourse is asking the schools to do too much. Parents need to start raising their own kids again.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:54 PM
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That doctor's son wasn't Asian by any measure. He was probably raised traditionally in a Christian household though with very involved parents. I really think so much of it is the parents and the general coddling mentality.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:48 PM
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Acquaintances too? I guess? Would depend on how you would define a friend. Just someone who knows me well enough, are already fond of me and vice versa.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:46 PM
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I don't know how I feel about this whole discourse. So I am Asian, and we are kinda known to do well academically regardless of gender. I think a lot has to do with parents' emphasis on education and how involved they are. In all of the schools I attended even in the West, boys made formidable competition academically. There was a non-Asian boy who's dad was a doctor and he excelled in pretty much EVERYTHING. I think it could be a lack of involvement of the parents and just parents being alright…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:44 PM
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I agree with your points. I circumvented this issue by dating someone I know and knows me. It does introduce a lot more new limitations, but it was the most realistic solution.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:28 PM
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2 is not always about leagues. A woman needs to make herself special and irreplaceable somehow. Being in a similar league superficially, but being perceived to possess something rare is also a possibility. I kinda think it is a chicken or an egg problem. Women who gave away sex easily got male attention a lot more easily. Men chased this easy access to sex. Then a lot of women added sex to their package to be competitive in the market. Some realized they were able to get attention with just givi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:17 PM
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Love, probably not. Physical intimacy though... It is too much of an expectation rather than something special and worth waiting for.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 08:08 PM
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But if you want to maximize your chances of landing a high character woman for a LTR, you better focus on finding her in your 20s. I agree with this wholeheartedly. But many people of both genders seem to want to challenge their own mate value for too long and miss their best chance at a LTR. When they are challenging their mate value, sane wholesome people are pairing up. Then what's left on the market are the ones who didn't learn to be content with what they could get, and are too superficial…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 07:55 PM
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Physical 5’7 - 6’4 brown or hazel eyes not obese conventionally decent looking nose Non-physical I seem to have ultimately chosen who I are serious about what I consider to be focusing at the time. It could have been education, career, love for reading/curiosity, then finally virtue. I have not been able to date many musicians, but I have had a little crush on all of my at least half decent musician male friends. Only one guy was richer than myself. It doesn’t seem to be something that I care ab…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 06:26 PM
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Actually a lot of women have much higher standards than this. 6’, 6”, 6-figure income, objectively attractive. My standards are below that. This is what she wrote in another comment. I don't think OP realizes there were enough women who didn't have such standards, and the majority of the men she is describing are already taken by those women. Wholesome people who learned fast enough are mostly gone from the market. She is late to the party. I don't think her being alright with men in their 40's …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/25 01:15 AM
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It wasn't average at best. Average zone height but still above the mean height-ish, cannot be fat, without children and good character. That man is a rare commodity in that age range imo. Women are surprisingly alright with men with a solid career track that aren't making as much for the time being, so they too mostly get taken by that time. Reddit is an odd place, but generally speaking irl for millennials, good charactered wholesome people who can appreciate good character have already accepte…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 10:54 PM
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One's own value could be negligible if the answer to "where's all the good men/women" is "already taken". There's just lower ratio of them, more people to go through, more people that you need to vet correctly. Not impossible, but harder. It is exactly the same as you describe but gender reversed. It gets a lot more difficult for them to find each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:47 PM
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You aren't exactly aiming too high, but most men who fit your description are already taken or are with a kid. I literally know just one guy meeting your criteria who is single. He recently got out of a LTR.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 09:38 PM
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Shame you aren’t 35 yet.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 08:53 PM
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Visually, not so much from my observations. Rich women get boy toys and middle aged women tend to like actors around mid 30’s. A rich older woman with a young pretty male gold caddie is so common that a lot of people are now aware of it in my home country. Visually attractive vs. consider a partner material are different things. Women generally want commitment more than men. Only when women don’t care about commitment, they seem to chase beautiful men.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 05:36 PM
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Bad parenting can make men unattractive. Bad parenting can make women choose wrong. Maybe?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 04:33 PM
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It isn’t really the matter of wanting to cage but falling for those women but wanting to wear the pants too usually. Women should just choose men who don’t have strong desires for such dynamics. Run if you see inferiority complex.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 04:25 PM
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It is disturbing. But yeah.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 03:40 PM
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I know of a law school where female students keep shared records of male students’ sexual performance. Not dick size, but sexual performance. It doesn’t just go like big pp, average pp, small pp.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 03:35 PM
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I experienced both Eastern and Western traditionalism. Eastern Confucianism and Christianity in the West. I see my Godparents on the news for organizing pro-life protests to give you an idea. I am not anti-traditionalism, but it requires a heck load of nuances and caution, and the bases are competence at one’s roles and the willingness to sacrifice by all parties. It certainly is not a good idea for general mankind as most humans are selfish in nature. I think it probably would be best for only …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 06:08 AM
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But can we assume that they were content and knew what they wanted though? A drawn out relationship means that much more investment into the relationship, and they threw away all that "sunk cost". That could be even more concerning in a way. If they knew what they wanted, they would have stayed forever, but after years, they decide it isn't right for them. It could potentially be better for someone to treat relationships seriously, but doesn't take as long to figure out whether they determine if…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 04:33 AM
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Certain things sound great on paper. How realistic they are in practice as actual guidelines as well as the outcomes seem to be something many people have to discover for themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 01:08 AM
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I actually agree on the differences in male and female general tendencies that work like a spectrum. However, a leader who has not earned the respect and submission can always be challenged. It is a place that is earned. People capable of leading do end up in that role on their own. Giving submission in itself is being convenient. It is similar to feeding ugly women's ego and wooing her by calling her hot. For already married couples, yes, it could be the only fix cause they didn't marry a leade…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:38 AM
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As my first comment suggests, I am not saying women should be fat disrespectful bitches either.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/25 12:00 AM
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I don’t mean convenient as cooperative. I literally mean convenient. RPW is a guideline to women who lack leverage in the dating market or want that added convenience to mean more than what it does. It is beta bux but a female version of it. RPW is not a new concept, but like TRP, it was just coined by online communities.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 11:40 PM
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I don't agree on RPW on many levels, so I am leaving my comment here. As long as we are biological creatures, youth and beauty matter in attraction. However, it is important to make sure you are valued for other things too other than just youth and beauty. Make sure your man values you for your intrinsic value rather than just your superficial, and of course, you should have enough intrinsic value to begin with. You have to have something special that he doesn't see in other women. By the way, R…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 10:40 PM
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So here's a counter argument, not that I completely disagree with you. I think getting out of a very long relationship could be seen as a downside too. It is also possible to think of it as a semi-marriage that ended in a semi-divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 09:37 PM
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Idk. I don’t think it is wrong, but could be a bit stupid depending on the impression that you want to make. But I still would prefer to not waste my time and just know these things.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/25 04:29 PM
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Genuinely, don't have sex with someone that you can't trust. In this case, he trusted her words too much. Like my mom taught me, don't have sex until you can be responsible for a child, and only with a man you want to have a family with. Sex is a much bigger responsibility than a lot of modernized people make it out to be.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 04:39 PM
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Maybe it is more of an if they could choose to live that way, they would choose to do so? You could come up with your own hypotheses. That’s just what the data from this particular study suggests.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 08:42 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/3zethz47e5ue1.png?width=983&format=png&auto=webp&s=5be7cd56151cbf6148266a93ffd676e9d5f7d329 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/382253515_A_Worldwide_Test_of_the_Predictive_Validity_of_Ideal_Partner_Preference-Matching The study talks about how women underestimate their preference on attractiveness by a lot too. Just something I am adding to say this is not a "men bad" study.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/25 06:16 AM
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It is not that I disagree with you completely, but it does limit one’s dating pool and introduces new difficulties in dating. It is a trade off. A realistic one? Oftentimes not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 08:16 PM
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An old ass statistic, but the closest one that I can think of. https://www2.hawaii.edu/~elaineh/79.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:24 PM
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I think most of us think companionship is great, but too many people don't make particularly great companions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:14 PM
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Foreign women do tend to adjust their expectations to the western standards a lot. I for sure would not have chosen a traditional minded man from my home country. The problem is when the women choose to live a certain way and want certain attitudes from men en masse. Men might need to readjust as well if they don't want to make their dating pool even smaller.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 07:02 PM
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I often make the distinction between western and men from my home country when I’m speaking in DM. There’s huge differences in how they perceive women and what’s normalized. However, I think redpill knowledge is way more widely accepted in cultures that aren’t as PC. Redpill is pretty much a common belief where I’m from. I do agree with you that the obsession with virginal women on PPD is kinda odd. Virginal women are not that desired in the West. It is a self-sabotage more than anything ime.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 05:26 PM
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Sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:14 AM
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You can deny it all you want. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 06:13 AM
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Looksmatch is about looks. You might be asking about mate value match.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 03:05 AM
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Let's not pretend you didn't know where you stood lookswise in high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 02:13 AM
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Conventional beauty standards exist. Facial harmony, balance and ratios are often talked about to really understand how most people perceive beautiful. You can even look up the golden ratio used in architecture. There seems to be fairly universal agreement on what our brains perceive to be harmonious or beautiful. There's subjective aspects of beauty, but beauty can also be objective enough to be studied and be of interest of many people's. Enough people believe there's something to it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:57 AM
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It is not just about fairness. I would get an ick. If my boyfriend gets an ick from my past cause I have more dating experience than him, that's valid too.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:14 AM
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Having a threesome or two is crazy. But ultimately it is up to the inexperienced virgin to determine if it is unfair or not, and to decide whether they are alright with it or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/25 01:05 AM
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fat people should be made to buy two tickets or made to buy business/first class tickets.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:41 PM
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I don't believe humans are born with a clean canvas of a personality to begin with anyway. We all have our innate personalities that we were born with, then what "changes" could be us figuring out mechanisms to survive/deal with stuff with the personalities we are given. In general, I think those are just dormant traits, not traits that got developed from nothing innate at all. Those dormant traits come out a lot faster than expected in a lot of people surprisingly ime. The genetic aspect of per…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 08:01 PM
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He was muscular too though. How’s your BF%?
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:58 PM
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Nah. We talked about insurance, individual level taxation, environmental policies, general politics and cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:56 PM
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Nah. I have a type and the only times I wanted to go out on a date with literal strangers were with world class musicians. They break my brain. But I was fascinated by how well he ofit the caricature.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:52 PM
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I talked to an irl Chad yesterday. Tall dark and handsome. Finance guy. God, I had to keep myself from asking PPD related questions. I was so curious though. 🤣 instead we talked politics
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 03:31 PM
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NOW his leg. Does he have fleas or something
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:13 AM
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He is now reaching inside his shirt to scratch himself. Tf.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:12 AM
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The uber driver scratched his beard for a long while then his hair (then sniffed his fingers i think) then went on to scratch a little below his armpit. The car reeks of cigarette stench too. WHY
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/25 06:11 AM
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<image> Say hello :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:54 PM
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Thank you :)
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:20 PM
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Did you just get him?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 08:16 PM
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Oh. She hasn’t flown yet. Soon though. Poor kitty.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:19 PM
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I am waiting for my new kitty at the airport. I can’t wait to meet her.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:16 PM
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Maybe consider moving to the countryside. There are more people in their 20’s with kids.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 06:11 PM
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Meh. I’ve been around. Just not as talkative. My cat seems to have dm’ed you lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:45 PM
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I wonder when they made that change.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:41 PM
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I remember the days when flights didn’t have wifi.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:38 PM
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pilates
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/25 12:50 AM
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Plastic surgery's equivalent is plastic surgery. Shoe lift's close equivalent is makeup. Pump and dump's closest equivalent is probably milking orbiters or foodie calls.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 09:39 PM
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I think it is still important to be aware of the potential unintended consequences as well. It is like knowing the side effects of a drug. It is just that the internet often lacks nuance, and people are often speaking from a place of hurt.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 08:36 PM
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Hey hannah :)
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:26 PM
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My money is on her being just as brain rotted as many PPD peeps.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 07:13 PM
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I am my boyfriend’s first girlfriend and despite us being the same age, I am able to see that due to the difference in relationship experience, he could have bitten off a bit more than he can chew. I already know what I like and how to get what I like, but he doesn’t really. He has been getting better with boundary setting and communication though. I think people with experience do have “an upper hand” in a lot of things and the ones who lack experience will often end up being the ones being mol…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 06:30 PM
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I think a lack of relationship experience can also jade one overtime. Life does jade a lot of people. For whatever reason, if one is unable to give the benefit or the doubt, one is in a state that is incapable of love. And the reason could be unrelated to relationship experience as well. It could even be due to one’s family.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/25 05:51 PM
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I don't think the grass is greener on the other side. Women just need better vetting skills than men in general. And it happens so that our previous generation have not giving proper vetting advice to their children. I'd hate to be a woman with no guidance. I personally got enough to navigate it. I don't necessarily think the desert is makings of women. SMP exists because there's people with traits that are generally more desired in both genders. In more monogamously regulated communities, there…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:10 PM
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I don't think the grass is greener on the other side. Women just need better vetting skills than men in general. And it happens so that our previous generation have not giving proper vetting advice to their children. I'd hate to be a woman with no guidance, but I personally got enough to navigate it. I don't necessarily think the desert is makings of women. SMP exists because there's people with traits that are generally more desired in both genders. In more monogamously regulated communities, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:03 PM
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I don't think the grass is greener on the other side. Women just need better vetting skills than men in general. And it happens so that our previous generation have not giving proper vetting advice to their children. I'd hate to be a woman with no guidance, but I personally got enough to navigate it. I don't necessarily think the desert is makings of women. SMP exists because there's people with traits that are generally more desired in both genders. In more monogamously regulated communities, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:02 PM
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I don't think the grass is greener on the other side. Women just need better vetting skills than men in general. And it happens so that our previous generation have not giving proper vetting advice to their children. I'd hate to be a woman with no guidance, but I personally got enough to navigate it. I don't necessarily think the desert is makings of women. SMP exists because there's people with traits that are generally more desired in both genders. In more monogamously regulated communities, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:02 PM
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I don't think the grass is greener on the other side. Women just need better vetting skills than men in general. And it happens so that our previous generation have not giving proper vetting advice to their children. I'd hate to be a woman with no guidance, but I personally got enough to navigate it. I don't necessarily think the desert is makings of women. SMP exists because there's people with traits that are generally more desired in both genders. In more monogamously regulated communities, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/25 06:02 PM
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Nothing and nothing?
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/25 05:49 PM
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Eugene fits western beauty standards, not eastern beauty standards. Not my type.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 11:00 PM
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Social conservatism often results in restricting women in one way or another. If a man is more conservative than myself it would happen in the form of him restricting me rather than myself being as conservative as I am comfortable being.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/25 06:10 AM
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I am a conservative leaning moderate and I prefer men who are just ever so slightly more liberal than myself, but still a moderate. I don't get along with people who associate themselves with just one political belief/party. There's pros and cons to everything.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/25 07:25 PM
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If women stay at home, they genuinely think they could do better than the man if she had the same opportunity very often. Therefore what you are proposing does not satisfy hypergamy. Women think they lacks the opportunity, not the competence. Women feeling inferior to mediocre men doing mediocre stuff en masse would be the funniest thing under patriarchy. What makes things work is financial leverage. And hey, if you are claiming the West still "shows patriarchy" to a significant enough degree to…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 10:15 PM
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I am refuting your core assumption that is your fundamental premise of your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 10:04 PM
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As a woman who originally comes from a culture that still knows patriarchy, the post is kinda funny. If women stay at home, they genuinely think they could do better than the man if she had the same opportunity very often. Also, they compare their husbands to other men who are doing better. Marriages were stronger because men had financial leverage, not because women thought men were better.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/25 08:46 PM
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So many people I went to high school with ended up together, not because they were high school sweethearts, but because they reconnected after moving back to their home city after college. I am one of the people who got together with someone from my high school after losing contact with him for like a decade. She said it isn't necessarily about lasting, but somehow finding each other later on in their lives.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/25 12:46 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/6okx9mxsosfe1.png?width=659&format=png&auto=webp&s=44eeb091a30559e3be85c34a6393495e8c226175
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 08:32 PM
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Being an Asian-American puts you in a very different spot imo. Women who date outside of their _ tend to be quite different imo from who you might have access to. They often date _ cause they are against their own culture and idealize western culture that you might denounce.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 05:04 PM
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She votes conservative I'm sure.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 06:02 AM
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Depends. I can't really drink much of fermented liquor but can drink quite a bit of distilled liquor. I think my body processes them differently or something. My tolerance isn't as dependent on the amount of alcohol I drink, but the type of liquor.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 05:59 AM
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Thanks for understanding :)
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 04:27 AM
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Maybe ask chatgpt to decipher my comment. I think my comment already covers the basis of what you are asking. Feeling a bit lazy rn...
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 04:21 AM
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There's different motivations for lying. One motivation is to be deceitful to gain a false advantage, and one is to "protect" oneself. I see it being similar to rich people hiding their wealth to not attract gold diggers. It is very different from someone inflating one's assets to attract people (or to get better interest rates or whatever advantage you might be able to obtain by inflating your wealth). I am reasonably okay with lying when it would not end with others being in a worse spot than …
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/25 03:28 AM
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I believed that to be true even before I read the study. My Asian mom whom told me a lot about dating is pretty based imo. But I only care for voluntary actions, not circumstantial actions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 02:09 PM
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If you are too busy to read the whole thing, here's an article written based on the study. Surprisingly, people satisfied with sex in their relationship were more likely to engage in infidelity, perhaps suggesting they felt more positive about sex in general and would seek it out regardless of how they felt about their main relationship. Another predictor of infidelity was attractiveness. A person’s own attractiveness was negatively associated with infidelity among women but not men — meaning le…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 01:37 AM
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source of what I said above. I have my suspicions but you might just want to ask Ai and ask for evidence along with the potential reasons.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:42 AM
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Among women, less attractive women cheat more. Among men, men with less attractive women cheat more. Apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/25 12:15 AM
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That seems to be how it works with us.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:39 AM
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We are Asian.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:36 AM
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In the second comment, I meant that I am too competitive in an unnecessary manner.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:17 AM
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Perhaps. Who knows. I don't like to be the worse one next to somebody though.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:15 AM
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No. I care about looks but I don't like guys who would make me feel insecure. Lifetime of me feeling not being good enough lookswise due to my mom is more than enough. I still dislike being photographed with my mom. I don't want my partner to add to my insecurity.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/25 01:05 AM
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Cauli was single for 3 years before getting with her bf and I was single for a year. However you are not going to easily find sexually reserved women on OLD. Her bf was a mutual friend and my bf was a classmate from high school.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:59 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/k8w663orauee1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=10a60f5c29bea672c9725ad320a391339adde216 I think of it as yin and yang since in Asia yin and yang is described as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/25 12:53 AM
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Tinder was bad. Btw men know men better and women know women better in general. You might want to ask a woman whom you consider a LTR material to vet female profiles. I was not impressed in the slightest on Tinder. I was horrified more or less.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 10:01 PM
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I’ve been on dating apps as a man and the quality of women on dating apps was worse than questionable. OLD is essentially leftover market.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:50 PM
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People have been telling guys to deal drugs for a while on PPD tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 09:38 PM
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Only a minority of people are demisexual, but I do not think that degree of sex positivity is normal either.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 06:50 PM
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Makes sense when it is with a desirable/experienced guy who could drop you and seek sex elsewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 04:24 PM
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I am not really a nice person but I would consider myself to be a good/righteous/honorable person. Yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 02:36 PM
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My couple but the opposite
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/25 05:28 AM
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Sorry didn't see the above question. The upper, middle, and lower face are well-balanced, and the proportion of the upper face itself is not particularly long. However, because the length from the hairline to the crown is short, the forehead appears wide and long. When the forehead is fully exposed, the crown above the hairline has little volume, making the forehead appear balanced in proportion to the middle and lower face, but the lack of volume on the sides of the forehead makes it look relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 10:15 PM
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$2k and lightening it sounds like it could be worth the money though. Even reducing acne scarring costs much more than that. I doubt many people would consider the lip laser as plastic surgery even.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 09:58 PM
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Well not exactly the face, but I am considering changing my hairline. But other than that, no. My face is not a conventional face imo, but it is already relatively balanced that changing something could really throw the whole thing off. I have spoken to my friends in the industry and they all agree with me too. If I didn't have a relatively balanced face, I might have been a lot more tempted. I will most likely get stuff done as I age though. I have already informed my boyfriend of this. Do you …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 08:10 PM
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His body was the bomb and like I've said, his face is well balanced. A well balanced face is a huge compliment fyi. The problem with many people is how people look at individual features, but not the harmonization. Less conventionally attractive features can work on an individual if it all ties in together. Things usually don't work out THAT well though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:50 PM
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Only you speak my language around here.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:41 PM
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He got his clout from Twilight. The above guy's nose throws his whole face off. Werewolf boy's face is well balanced with his other features. Also, it can be about what is the norm for your "group". i.e., My boobs aren't so awful for my ethnicity but that's only because I am not expected to have huge boobs to begin with.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:40 PM
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You can feel free to disagree but Stacy/Chad should be about objective attractiveness and in the eyes of people who are more versed in hardmaxxing, his nose needs to be fixed for him to be called a Chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:34 PM
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He looks "fine" as is. Chad? No.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:27 PM
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Unfortunately, male T zone is like 50% of men's facial attractiveness. There's a reason why rhinoplasty is the most common plastic surgery performed on Asian men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:21 PM
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He has an upturned nose which is considered especially unattractive on men. The end of his nose needs to be lower. He'd be fine once he fixes that. Unfortunate really. Men often seem to think the jawline is what makes or breaks a male face, but it really is the T zone. The jawline is mostly male gaze.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 07:11 PM
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There's differences in circumstantial vs. voluntary. I only care for voluntary actions. Has only had sex within very committed relationships should keep people's n-count rather low and is relatively acceptable in my book. If I only went for strict volcels, my dating pool would be close to nonexistent.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:31 PM
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The passport bro who used to come to PPD to write about his experiences did rank [forbidden word] and how he said he would try to marry women of certain [forbidden word] before he needs to settle for other [forbidden word]. Of course, he dates women from the group that he ranked the lowest at this moment. Honestly, there's guys who like Asians, and would go for them even when they have plenty of options. However, the only way of knowing what someone is truly attracted to is to see what they do w…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 05:21 PM
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Probably? But I am getting weirded out by his skin folding from his smile. Think his skin is too thin or something?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:39 PM
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Idk if she is sexually reserved and is looking for a man who is similar, there’s no issue other than her dating pool being worse than a puddle. If not, she’d better figure out what’s keeping her single or a virgin.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:23 PM
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Glad he is alright!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:56 PM
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It is awful that your own mom was like that. My bf’s mom does similar things too to her sons. At least my cousin and I got compared to our moms by strangers.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:52 PM
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Passport bro would not be a right terminology. However, there often is a difference in culture and they can be pretty big. Even among immigrants, 1st gens tend to date other 1st gens, 1.5 gens tend to date other 1.5 gens and 2nd gens tend to date other 2nd gens. Couples just understand each other better this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 03:44 PM
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1 and lock him up in my closet or the basement. I am doing society a favor this way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/01/25 04:13 AM
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I know quite a few people like this, myself included. Percentage wise though idk. But at your age, even I used to drink pretty often.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 10:52 PM
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Idk. Kinda extreme to hold such a view. I am not that into big gestures on such days, but he would still come across as weird. I don’t care much but am willing to care more for my partner personally. I would prefer to be with someone who’s more flexible on less important stuff like me. I don’t think such extremity is normal.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:51 PM
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I prefer to lead and I lead in all the mentioned areas, but I don’t really consider most of what you wrote leading. Half of what you wrote falls on the woman in Asian dynamics normally I think. I make the final call whenever there’s a decision to be made.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 05:30 PM
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Nah. You look good enough to pass most people's looks bar facially still. Work on your RMV. You getting cosmetic procedures would probably decrease your RMV actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/25 01:43 AM
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We are currently located on the opposite ends of the country, and we are planning to move back to Asia together. However, due to us being from different Asian countries, the legalities are a bit messy. We really are trying hard to combine our lives atm.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:53 PM
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Both Eastern men and women can be naggy and controlling, but it is because we all tend to have the "I can fix that" or "Let's fix that" mindset.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:51 PM
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Well... I did include in the original comment that she likes his old photos which is achievable by losing weight. She too cares about physical attraction. Your experiences happened because they thought they could just disregard such thing. This acquaintance does care and knows she cares, so she is trying to get him back to his non-fat state together.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:43 PM
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Westerners are so different when it comes to this. It is still giving someone an opportunity and support to improve/change. It is not like he has zero chance of achieving what she was more than attracted to.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:38 PM
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I did mention that some PPD folks would call this controlling, but I did not put in the original comment that he is currently making a halfassed attempt. Goes to work out but not often enough but still only eats salad at night.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:25 PM
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In my culture, it used to be the norm for the women to make their man look presentable. It is more of a recent phenomenon to desire a "completed version" and that their man should be doing these things on their own.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:21 PM
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She is no Stacy fyi. But they both seemed to be considering each other enough to stay in contact after they were set up by their mutual friend. They just needed a little push.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:10 PM
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More than you could ever imagine probably. After losing my dad, I better understand love and pain.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:05 PM
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It is interesting how many people are so negative about this. Even I had my friend talk me into my current relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:02 PM
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Being fat is a sin anyway
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 06:01 PM
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I've just talked a female acquaintance into pursuing a relationship with a guy. Some on PPD would call it controlling and stuff, but I have told her to just work on his weight together. She apparently is really into his everything else minus his looks, but she likes his photos from the past back when he was not fat.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:58 PM
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But still, for the time being in my age group, who’s left are mostly leftovers that nobody was able to tolerate. The vast majority of the reasonably flawed ones have been paired up already.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:23 PM
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I didn’t care as much before but I ended up with a guy who is the exact opposite of that. I think you do end up taking someone who is monogamous from the start way more seriously and a better prospect for lifetime partnership.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:15 PM
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I’m facebook generation and I think we are the last generation to have social skills and dating experiences that aren’t too affected by social media.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:13 PM
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So my boyfriend who is still a virgin said to me that virgin shaming was a thing in his university, and back then, it was only guys who were shaming him. I am not sure about how it would be now though. After university, he said people didn’t talk about it anymore but also that it could be his group of friends he interacted with. He also said he is unsure if they knew at all. They did know he was single for as long as they’ve known him, and he wasn’t mocked for it. They all got excited once we st…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 05:07 PM
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I got banned on reddit for dm’ing “you idiot” in a friendly manner to a user I am friendly with.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:15 PM
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I think a way to confirm a woman’s perceived RMV is to not compete with other women using sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 10:26 AM
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same with me though
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 04:09 AM
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No If your goal was marriage then yeah I would say so I now think so but the number differs for each person imo. How strong one's defense mechanism gets due to previous failures and not being able to give the benefit of the doubt is my metric, not an actual number that applies to everyone. And such limit could be extremely low for some.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/25 12:13 AM
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Idk about the west though. It is extremely normal in the east.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:59 PM
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Not abnormal in my culture at all tbh.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:56 PM
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I like what like. I have 4 of the same shirt and stuff for regular days, and I know what looks good on me for days I need to dress up.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:52 PM
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Probably would depend on how she feels about the whole thing. I have asked my boyfriend to not buy any fashion items for me though.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:42 PM
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I think this opinion is based. However 6’5+ guys have their share of height fetishists so they are far from doomed. Probably still an advantage since there should be a strong niche market. I do agree with the general appeal part. Taller than 6’4” is beyond +2SD so I believe it registers as abnormal, and people probably can sense what’s abnormal.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 11:28 PM
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People seem to find their partners by their mid 20’s at the latest in general and then get married in their late 20’s. And no, these women/men did not “have their fun in their youth”.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 08:48 AM
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People probably don't ask for n counts straight up, so you don't get to just lie. You can basically get an idea from his lifestyle, his friends and his family members' lifestyle and reactions. My boyfriend's friends' dating history and their reactions confirmed what I believed to be true.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/25 06:55 AM
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I would agree with non-primary caretaker (or childless) women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 10:15 PM
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I don’t make my boyfriend pay for dates even for our first date but premarital sex 💀
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 03:06 PM
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You’d probably be surprised to hear that we both are good looking especially by Asian standards though. We are Asian. He has women cold approaching or dropping signs from time to time in the west and all the time in Asia and paired up Asian women calling him handsome all the time. I talk about him here cause PPD would find it not meaningful at all for a woman to talk about her experiences.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 02:43 PM
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Probably not THAT high, and such feeling was probably mutual. We first met back in high school, and I just happened to catch my boyfriend's eyes all the time, but it wasn't anything crazy at first. On my end, I realized he liked me eventually, and I genuinely asked myself whether I'd able to kiss him or not. It wasn't even close to oh I'm insanely attracted to him. We find each other very attractive now though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 07:55 AM
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If he admires certain traits of his mother and want the same traits in a wife? I think it is more than based.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 06:58 AM
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I know a middle aged woman who was left like that. The husband quit his job to become a doctor, and the wife worked at a sushi restaurant and paid for him and their 4 children. It took him 14 years to get into a med school. Right after he did, he asked her for a divorce saying that he wants to pursue a relationship with his first love who came back into his life.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/25 06:45 AM
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Maybe or fund partially. I am not completely against the idea. I might have him agree to follow my prescriptions of surgeries and nothing more though.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:35 PM
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Actually unattractive to the point that he isn't even in the average zone? Plastic surgery. I think there's certainly a point where plastic surgery is more than understandable.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 10:27 PM
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Oof you have no idea how much asians love eurocentric features.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:21 PM
1

So my boyfriend who I went out for the first time in high school hasn't dated anyone but me, and I have dated others since high school. He says second hand experience was all he needed to figure it out. I think dating other guys helped me personally.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:17 PM
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True.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:08 PM
1

would be fun to make a post out of this
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 09:00 PM
2

If he is a 10/10, he can live in a promiscuous manner even in the west.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 07:31 PM
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I have always been into musicians to a stupid degree. They make my brain dumb. I am taken now but I like someone that I already know in my social circle. If I didn't get with my boyfriend who I met in high school, I would have tried out some people from my family's list of guys. I like to be spoiled with "acts of service" and a lot of admiration, appreciation and affection. I can cook very well? I live fairly reasonably on my own income, but I have a hefty inheritance so there's always financial…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/01/25 11:33 AM
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It is still doable. My mom's side is extremely good looking, and some succeeded and one failed miserably. Ironically, the prettiest one is the one who failed. But your friend might not have had enough intel if she doesn't come from wealth.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 11:29 PM
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The more desirable one is, the better vetting skills one needs. Since more people will treat you better in order to get with you, vetting gets harder. She needed better vetting skills.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 11:16 PM
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I haven't slept with anyone, but I went out with my boyfriend back in high school then I chose him again after about a decade of having no contact with each other. I've dated different types of men, but I've always liked my bf's type.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 09:41 PM
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There are circumstantial low-n’s who have lacked desirable opportunities or just young people who just happen to be low-n and there’s intentional low-n’s or virgins. Ppd often just groups both together.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 01:00 PM
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Yeah, he is normal weight. I finally got a sense of what normal weight looks like after dating my current bf and getting to know his BMI. People are so fat in the west that it fucks with my perception too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:26 AM
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Current normal weight. Past overweight.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/25 12:21 AM
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Don't have that insecurity cause fat is something within my control and I have already managed to get it completely under my control. Just insult my face instead.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 11:51 PM
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It has only been two weeks smh
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 10:30 PM
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i would assume they strongly valued commitment vs variety and new experiences I've been thinking the same. It is probably about how seriously you take the relationship to begin with, and them having previous experiences probably means that they were trying until they found reasonable compatibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:23 PM
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Fyi, I don't think that at all. I asked the question cause I heard my bf's lil bro who is in high school is already dating with marriage in mind. He does very well with girls though apparently.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 09:15 PM
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So what traits of theirs kept them together do you think? What kind of mentality?
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:41 PM
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Yeah, I can see that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:28 PM
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I do wonder though... If she falls, does it hurt less for her? I guess not. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:28 PM
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I wonder what traits tend to keep high school sweethearts together.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 08:21 PM
2

I finally figured out who you are. Damn, I am slow.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 02:51 AM
2

I think it is more improper than gross/gay...
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/25 01:31 AM
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In the eyes of others, sure. But in terms of perceived value that I determine, what I value could be very different from others.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 05:26 PM
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I sometimes think it could be for autistic men who think they are average.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 04:27 PM
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I am size 00 and I would not recommend it to anyone else. I just happen to be an insane asian chick who is into asian looksmaxxing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 03:14 AM
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Only food is essential in my case.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/25 12:33 AM
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You too? Apparently it is the lack of oxygen in the air but I haven’t really met anyone who could relate to me on this.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 07:27 AM
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ah he has mentioned in the past that the face has to be above average too cause 19-21 bmi should just be a given.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 02:27 AM
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Idk. I like kpop pretty boys.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:06 AM
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I think it usually means likeability/compatibility on top of attraction. Old school family oriented cultures still choose mates based on standards and lists a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/25 12:02 AM
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I am very familiar with Asian style authoritarianism which is overt but Western overreach is cannot be overt and has to be below the surface. Of course, the degree differs.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:19 AM
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Have not disclosed it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:10 AM
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Honestly though, the society has turned so authoritarian that it makes me feel as if I am a libertarian.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 01:07 AM
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How are you going to manage communism with a non-authoritarian government?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:34 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/dfvtoi33c9ce1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=bbf47dbd5d7cb7a7a7d8fd3b1ca2dcd3768bccfd
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:14 AM
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https://preview.redd.it/ysepjp1ub9ce1.png?width=2080&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8a7689eaf8c5eb8882b1d1fe101d88817ac7c37
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/25 12:13 AM
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I think this comment was written to insult me.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 10:24 PM
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Ask chatgpt on how to drag it out as long as possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:57 PM
2

What do you agree with and what do you disagree with?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:43 PM
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I’m a Zillennial and that’s how it works and has worked around me. I second your suspicion. It is quite normal for women to not take the initiative to not appear easy and to confirm a man’s interest towards her. I think sexually open women could be a lot more forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:56 PM
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Being indiscriminate with your desire is still not a virtue. A positive outcome came out of having relatively indiscriminate desire. However, having virtue is about displaying high moral standards. There is no morality in what's naturally given. Virtue is about conscious choice.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 11:53 AM
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I don't think women usually get with their tunnel vision guy, but with the first guy who is among the guys she thinks are good enough and has made the move. Women are not that proactive, and take a way more passive role in dating for your scenario to work for the majority of the time. Not saying that it does not happen. But I do agree with the last paragraph. The guy already has to have to be deemed good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 09:57 AM
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Get bad grades
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 08:34 AM
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Asian here but who knows. I could be a man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/25 07:56 AM
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I have the final say in my relationship. I don’t want it in any other way.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 10:17 PM
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I’ve never watched such content. Tv shows/dramas or kpop performances have some good style inspirations… not what you posted above.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 08:10 PM
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I think the first bullet is often not true for the crowd who are also considering marriage. Hot but poor are most likely non-serious hookup material. But hookup material probably does mean 95% of the time that he passes her looks threshold. In regards to the second bullet, https://www2.hawaii.edu/~elaineh/79.pdf
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 07:42 PM
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They might be considered culturally inappropriate by the conservatives, but attractive people are almost always asked if they are hapas and hapas are almost synonymous for being attractive in my home country due to eurocentric features being popular.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 05:37 PM
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He isn’t a full Asian though. Half Asians are oftentimes very popular in Asia.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:35 PM
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5 is very wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 03:11 PM
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Yeah, the information is aimed towards women who don't have enough leverage over men to begin with or come from trainwreck families.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 01:32 AM
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Doctors see disgusting things all the time and it certainly is a part of their training. They most likely won't even remember you after a while unless something really weird happens.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/01/25 01:22 AM
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sine120's experience And likeminded people kinda end up hanging out with each other too.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 10:59 PM
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I had u/CauliflowrElegant76 explain RPW to me yesterday cause I didn't quite understand a comment on PPD regarding RPW. I am reading that sub and uhhhh... I love you mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 10:49 PM
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Above 80 below 90.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 10:01 PM
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https://www.cdc.gov/yrbs/dstr/index.html I think you'd find this pretty interesting. Being from the Asian community and hanging out with a lot of Asians, I do tend to mingle with those who have much lower counts. Also, the Christian town I used to live in still get married very young so I presume there are demographics that bring the averages down. That being said, big cities would most likely consist of people who bring the average up. <image>
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 08:14 PM
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High school. Went out for a bit. No contact for about a decade. Then I reactivated my facebook and he sent me a chat. I could tell that he still has feelings for me and here we are now.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:41 PM
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I second Ange. A lot of it is about having common topics to talk about. But then again, it might be the woman who has a lack of interests too. Plus, she might be more in for the excitement and experience than conversations. What kind of activities she would end up doing with the person.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 06:33 PM
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u/okaybear2point0
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:19 AM
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We need okbear in here. He would be shaking his head with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:14 AM
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How I would rank docility Japanese >>>>> Korean >> Chinese
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:10 AM
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Most East Asian women are Chinese... and I would not call Chinese women docile.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 01:03 AM
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a woman from an East Asian culture how would you describe her in a general sense?
/r/PurplePillDebate08/01/25 12:59 AM
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I have nooooo idea. We still haven't hung out much yet, and she said she would perform some of her repertoire for me. It is so very generous of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 08:48 PM
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Contraltos are so damn rare though. But I have recently managed to make a contralto friend and I have offered to lend her my boyfriend sometimes for piano accompaniment for her practices if she lets me listen in. She also offered to sing at my wedding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:37 PM
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Wife material coming from the right people is a compliment. Who says husband/wife material matters significantly imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:22 PM
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Sopranos are overrated.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:15 PM
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Breeding material is different from wife material. Wife material could be seen as she is good for domestic chores and some women could take offense to that. Breeding kinda sounds like dog/cat breeding.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:13 PM
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Finally another classical music enthusiast.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 07:04 PM
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They too often bring up circumstantial low-n females who just happen to have low-n for the time being in conversations imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/01/25 05:33 PM
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So I went to a rooftop bar with my boyfriend and this specific bar had exactly what you are talking about and there were more women there than men btw. Meanwhile, my boyfriend's little brother is a teen in high school and he dates with no issues at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 11:15 PM
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I think there's minimum threshold to meet for each too though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 10:41 PM
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As a somewhat old school Asian, it is pretty natural for me to think of masculinity and femininity using Asian Yin and Yang. I (kinda unfortunately) embody Yang.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:05 PM
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No. I could if I decided to go to an event I cared enough about. As long as I am not being photographed, I don't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 09:03 PM
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I tried. I am just wired wrong. I can dress feminine and cook, but I am just wired different internally.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 08:59 PM
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Young people have more circumstantial virgins that just didn't lose their virginity yet. Intentional virgins exist. Many of them most likely won't be kissless though.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/01/25 03:09 AM
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For me, there was a location factor. In multicultural cities, it's been fine. In a predominantly white conservative town, I felt like a weird outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:38 PM
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They can do whatever. I am not scared of the results or the results being revealed to my boyfriend. It is whether he thinks he can give me the benefit of the doubt based on what he thinks of me. His family members are not him, and were strangers at the time they asked.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:21 PM
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PEOPLE, I have finally found a hairdresser in one more city. Think it was the fourth one we've tried in this particular city. Been looking for like 1.5 yr.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:17 PM
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I think I could take it if it was to prove myself to someone else other than my boyfriend preferably a person not knowing much about my character already. Like if it was his grandmother or his grandfather especially if their family had something to protect, I would. I would keep a courteous relationship with them afterwards too. It is crucial that the people who directly form very close relationships with me to value me for my character first and foremost, and I do not want to be questioned on t…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 09:06 PM
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100%. I am pro-gun.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:49 PM
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He has admitted in the past that she also has to have above average face or something. It can't just be a healthy chick.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:48 PM
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Asian beauty standards are on another level, and having grown up with literal models in my family probably doesn't help either. Along with a lot of families I grew up around having successful dads with pretty wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:46 PM
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I will remember to stay in a corner.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:35 PM
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I think I have usually agreed with you silently.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:26 PM
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The expectation is loud music in a dark place with a lot of people. lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:14 PM
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I will provide you with a visual lol
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:05 PM
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All this club talk has reminded me that I actually want to experience clubbing at least once before I really age out of it. My first 2025 new experience plan.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 08:00 PM
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u/Dry-Ad3452 I can't reply below you for some reason. I wasn't talking about you. Virgin has a very strong connotation imo especially at her age. And your dating market shifts quite a bit depending on how prudish you are. And her n-count makes her an extreme outlier in the market she probably wants to date in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:29 PM
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I wasn't talking about you. Virgin has a very strong connotation imo especially at her age. And your dating market shifts quite a bit depending on how prudish you are. And her n-count makes her an extreme outlier in the market she probably wants to date in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:28 PM
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I wasn't talking about you. Virgin has a very strong connotation imo especially at her age. And your dating market shifts quite a bit depending on how prudish you are. And her n-count makes her an extreme outlier in the market she probably wants to date in.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:26 PM
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This has got to be a troll.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:18 PM
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In my culture too. I think.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:11 PM
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Just don’t go for guys who would prefer prudes. Your n-count has initially suggested that you could be a prude. You just probably aren’t, and that’s that. Nothing wrong with it.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:10 PM
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The interesting thing I’ve learned in my culture is that while those clubbing people do become bfs/gfs/husbands/wives, it is almost always a horrible idea for them to meet each other at the club for the first time.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:06 PM
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I have about half your kiss count and my LTR count is about the same. It isn’t just about the count is what I am saying.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 07:00 PM
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How casually you kissed does not match up with your n-count is probably their problem. Very different image for each.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/25 06:45 PM
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I think it is an opportunity to make a special moment with someone special. But it is not the end of the world if it is not with someone that special either. I don't regret my first kiss but my boyfriend really treasures his first kiss.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 11:57 PM
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Music >>>>>
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 11:25 PM
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Maybe cause nobody is trying to sell pills for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 07:07 PM
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My Disney princess steals all the animals from his friends including cats.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 06:26 PM
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All tenors are doomed once women listen to Pavarotti
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 06:20 PM
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It is more grownup for him to correct himself than for me to correct him. Just own up beforehand. Btw, I correct him cause I plan to spend the rest of my life with him and have kids with him. How parents act must align with how we want our kids to act. I would not correct him and dispose of him eventually if I didn’t want him as a part of my family. Also explaining shouldn’t be making excuses, cause it makes one look like a little kid without agency.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 06:00 PM
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I think around n-2 is what’s usually the most desired among mid and maybe late twenties. But not necessarily the count itself, but her actions being only have had sex within LTR’s and reasonable and predictable LTR history.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 05:49 PM
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I don’t agree with either.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 10:15 AM
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Yeah 5% are attractive enough to be called attractive by definition imo. 15% are attracted enough to be called above average by definition. Who I find attractive personally? Oof. I want to clone my mom.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:50 AM
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But 15% is honestly too board for me personally. The people I grew up around skewed my perception.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:48 AM
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Finding them visually appealing is different. Aren't you able to tell that some male actors are attractive too? I think about 15% of each gender clearly look above average using the bell curve. The rest are average or below average.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 03:38 AM
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Old post I wrote
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:59 AM
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A male friend asking out the female friend out does work if the female friend already had mutual feelings for him.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:43 AM
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Not at all. Who knows what happens when? or if it would happen at all or what would be the right oh wow stuff?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:39 AM
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Only works when there's an "oh wow" moment or something of the sort that makes you look at the person in a different light imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 01:30 AM
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Delusional. I think about 5% of younger women are attractive and max 1% of older women are attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:50 AM
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has a really nice mom LOL I really hope he is able to find someone nice though.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/25 12:47 AM
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It is just a classic prisoner’s dilemma. In this scenario, keep playing the game, become so attractive that you can take yourself off the game and still win or dumpster dive (basically take advantage of smv), or just quit playing the game. It is what it is. I don’t like the current dating norms for my own reasons, but an individual cannot change the whole market.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 05:02 PM
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Hygiene, weirdo to not meet them. Grooming, I think the vast majority of people should take more advantage of. It is way beyond the realm of “reasonable” or “acceptable” to me. It is totally something to be utilized. Just “get a haircut” is not that effective imv. There are styling methods to trick our eyes like with optical illusions, and these methods can balance out your features up to a certain point. This can really help unless you have significantly detrimental feature beyond balancing out…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:55 PM
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Idk I think your problem is more with other men tbh, cause the expectations that you speak of mostly exist cause men offer them, and you end up doing it too. There’s no reason for women to expect or want less when there’s so many guys just plainly offering.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/25 03:39 PM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 10:25 PM
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That was probably me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/25 12:51 AM
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I think "cool to be around" girl works quite well actually. She just has to look good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:49 PM
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My family visited me from Asia and told me someone is obese when I was thinking the person was just slightly overweight. It is not about falling for the propaganda, but what our brains perceive as the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/25 09:43 PM
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