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Outer Game 7inchesonastik/r/seduction17/11/25 10:50 PM
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You want me to prove you wrong? I can literally send you pictures.
/r/seduction19/11/25 05:30 PM
1

No girl with any self-respect would do that.
/r/seduction19/11/25 05:00 PM
1

Who said I’m looking for a relationship?
/r/seduction19/11/25 04:46 PM
1

No, I like them. I’m just not looking for a relationship with them.
/r/seduction19/11/25 04:30 PM
1

Well, you’re wrong, because I did. It just wasn’t with the women I was very attracted to.
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:48 PM
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I’m a Chad, but most women don’t want to waste their time on something that leads nowhere.
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:35 PM
-1

And how exactly would you know I’m lacking charisma? 😭 You’re being ridiculous. It’s not like that’s the first thing I tell them. No matter what your intentions are, you still try to vibe and build some chemistry first.
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:30 PM
1

It’s not a direct conversation. It’s more like a series of questions they use to gauge your intentions and figure out what kind of man you are. Things like, “How is a man like you still single?” or “Why did your last relationship end?” That’s just been my experience. I went from hooking up with older divorced women and hoes, to hooking up with higher-quality women I’m genuinely attracted to.
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:16 PM
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Honey, I’ve tried being upfront, just like everyone on this sub recommends, and almost every woman loses interest the moment she knows I’m only looking for short-term casual sex. For them, it’s the ultimate deal-breaker. That’s been my experience for years, and I really don’t know what else to say. If women wanted casual sex the same way men do, I’d have no reason to pretend I’m looking for something more just to get what I want.
/r/seduction19/11/25 03:08 PM
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Because I’ve got a mirror? If you don’t believe me, just send me a message.
/r/seduction18/11/25 07:59 PM
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Every girl I go out with always wonders how a hot guy like me is still single. Clearly, you have no idea what you’re talking about.
/r/seduction18/11/25 06:29 PM
2

That’s why you’re better off playing into the role they assume you fit.
/r/seduction18/11/25 06:04 PM
3

It’s simple, really. A lot of women like the idea of being the one who turns a player around, and the dependable guy can feel almost too easy.
/r/seduction18/11/25 05:58 PM
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Women aren’t oblivious. They can tell when a guy’s only aim is to sleep with them, so you have to carry yourself in a way that doesn’t give off that impression.
/r/seduction18/11/25 05:51 PM
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Yes, when it comes to the women I find very attractive.
/r/seduction18/11/25 05:50 PM
7

Sure.
/r/seduction18/11/25 02:56 AM
2

Deception is the game, brother. You can’t convince a woman to want something casual through seduction.
/r/seduction18/11/25 02:56 AM
5

That probably wouldn’t fly with the girls I talk to on a regular basis.
/r/seduction18/11/25 02:55 AM
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I’m an 8.5/10. It doesn’t make a difference to women who aren’t interested in being just another notch on your belt.
/r/seduction18/11/25 01:13 AM
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The vast majority of girls aren’t looking for a hookup. End of story.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:51 AM
5

Looks like you don’t believe me. I promise, it’s not a lot, and honestly, they’re not the ones most guys are after. That’s just how it is.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:50 AM
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Well, most guys aren’t in the top 1%, and even those who are can’t just sleep with any woman they want.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:44 AM
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I do, because they’re not just looking to be another notch on my belt. Why is that so hard to understand?
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:39 AM
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No, I don’t think most women would just be open to something casual with Brad Pitt.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:38 AM
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Definitely not true.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:21 AM
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I’m an 8.5/10, so by most accounts, I’m a very attractive dude. A woman doesn’t suddenly become open to something casual just because the guy is attractive.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:20 AM
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There’s nothing to seduce when most women simply aren’t interested in something casual to begin with.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:18 AM
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You’re saying the only way I can sleep with women is by leading them on, which basically suggests a woman’s attractiveness determines whether she wants something casual. That’s just not true.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:16 AM
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It’s not about acting nonchalant. It’s about showing them you have genuine intentions and aren’t just trying to get in their pants. That’s what’s worked for me.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:10 AM
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Only women I have a chance with? That assumes a woman’s interest in something casual is tied to her attractiveness, and that’s just not how it works.
/r/seduction18/11/25 12:07 AM
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Which part of me not wanting commitment isn’t clear to you?
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:56 PM
23

Everything shifted once I stopped announcing I only wanted something casual and started presenting myself as a guy who was done with his hookup phase and open to something real with the right person. That’s just the game, brother.
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:53 PM
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That’s not my argument at all. Take another look at my post.
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:09 PM
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It’s more like women want something serious with the guys who are only looking for something casual.
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:09 PM
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What if they don’t want to have sex until they’re sure the guy they’re seeing isn’t just looking to get in their pants and walk away?
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:06 PM
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I don’t have any trouble getting attention from women. The challenge for me has always been showing that I’m not just another guy looking to get in their pants. The moment I give any hint that I’m only after something short-term or casual, they lose interest.
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:05 PM
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Yes, but I think most women, if not the vast majority, don’t hook up the way men often do. A lot of the women I know don’t even have sex until they’re in an exclusive relationship with someone they’ve known for a while. Of course, there are exceptions, but I’m inclined to believe this is generally true.
/r/seduction17/11/25 11:03 PM
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What do you think I’m doing during those couple hours on the date?
/r/seduction02/08/25 03:10 AM
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Fair enough. I think your endgame should be finding a guy who’s patient enough to wait until you feel safe and ready.
/r/seduction01/08/25 04:27 PM
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Haha, so you’re the type to sleep with guys on the first date?
/r/seduction01/08/25 04:05 AM
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It’s not complicated. They lie, plain and simple.
/r/seduction31/07/25 09:28 PM
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I’m struggling because most women want more than just a hookup.
/r/seduction31/07/25 09:17 PM
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I can prove that I am.
/r/seduction31/07/25 09:04 PM
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Unless it’s someone I’ve been talking to for a while, I doubt a girl I just met would go for a coffee date. It probably wouldn’t feel serious enough to her.
/r/seduction31/07/25 05:24 PM
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Thank you. This has been my understanding too, but apparently, I just have no game and I’m downplaying female sexuality.
/r/seduction31/07/25 05:19 PM
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Did you even read my post? I used to be completely upfront about my intentions, sometimes before we even met. Not once did it lead to a casual hookup.
/r/seduction31/07/25 04:29 PM
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And you know what usually happens in those situations? Women catch feelings.
/r/seduction31/07/25 04:27 PM
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So it has nothing to do with my game.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:26 PM
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If a woman genuinely likes you, why would sex be the only thing she wants? You guys sound ridiculous. There’s no magic trick to make a woman want casual sex if that’s not what she’s looking for.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:23 PM
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Then it’s not about how good my game is—it’s about whether it lines up with what women are looking for.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:20 PM
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The difference is, if it happens by the third date, I led her on and wasted her time.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:17 PM
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Bro, who looks for an emotional connection just for casual sex? That’s what you build when you’re actually looking for a girlfriend. You’re literally telling me to lead women on.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:16 PM
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If that’s not what most women want, then what exactly am I doing wrong?
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:14 PM
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You think I haven’t tried that?
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:36 AM
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If a woman genuinely likes you, she’s usually looking for more than just sex.
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:25 AM
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Why pretend I want something more when I don’t?
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:25 AM
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If you’re not obvious about it, you’re leading her on.
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:19 AM
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How does going on casual coffee dates actually improve my chances of getting laid on the first date?
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:18 AM
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Brother, telling a girl I’m only looking for something casual before we even meet has never worked for me. And honestly, when do two people hook up without at least meeting for some drinks? Even as a guy, I wouldn’t do that.
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:15 AM
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Let them come to me? How does that even work if I’m not out there cold approaching and asking women out?
/r/seduction31/07/25 03:07 AM
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My initial post is a bit misleading. I usually make it to second base, but it rarely leads to sex as quickly as I’d like.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:32 AM
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How else am I supposed to get casual sex? And yeah, I always pay for the dates.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:31 AM
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I don’t state what I’m looking for anymore. I try to escalate to sex and just hope they pick up on my intentions.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:30 AM
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Could it be that I’m just not playing the game, and that leading them on over a few dates is actually the most effective way to get what I want?
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:28 AM
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Anything beyond the first date just feels like I’m leading them on.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:25 AM
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No, that’s exactly what I meant. I never make it past second base.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:25 AM
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But then I’d be leading them on, and that’s something I try to avoid.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:21 AM
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Or maybe they weren’t looking to have sex on the first date.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:19 AM
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I don’t know, man. If they were down to have sex on the first date, I don’t think grabbing dinner would’ve stopped that from happening.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:15 AM
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Well, if my only intention is sex, taking them on multiple dates feels misleading. It gives the impression that I’m pursuing something more serious.
/r/seduction31/07/25 02:14 AM
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I think emotional exclusivity is a bit different. If you’re regularly having unprotected sex with someone, sexual exclusivity is very important. Most women are pretty good about that since the risks are so much higher for them.
/r/seduction26/04/25 03:26 AM
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Sometimes, you might meet a woman who’s recently out of a relationship and open to something casual for the time being, but even then, she’ll likely still want a connection and some level of sexual exclusivity. And if she's not, you probably shouldn’t be getting involved with her.
/r/seduction26/04/25 01:33 AM
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One of the most overlooked truths about casual hookups is that if you want both quality and quantity, you’ll need to appear more invested than you actually are. Very, very few women will knowingly enter into something casual without at least the possibility of it going somewhere. It’s the equivalent of dating someone seriously for months, only for them to say, “I just see you as a friend.” Most women don’t want to give themselves to someone for nothing in return. So the dilemma becomes clear: do…
/r/seduction26/04/25 01:22 AM
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But how can you tell when a woman is actually interested in just hooking up? It seems like whenever I talk to a girl who’s showing interest, it’s more about getting to know me than just wanting to hook up.
/r/seduction07/04/25 03:01 AM
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I’m in my late teens.
/r/seduction06/04/25 06:14 PM
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I’m pretty young, so most girls I meet aren’t quick to sleep with someone on the first or even second date. What I’m getting at is that most of them don’t want to give their body to someone without a real connection.
/r/seduction06/04/25 04:57 PM
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True, but honestly, almost every time I meet a girl, the vibe is that she’s into me and wants to actually get to know me.
/r/seduction06/04/25 04:09 PM
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Being vague never worked for me either. If a girl goes out with you a few times and sleeps with you, there’s a good chance she’s looking for something real. The moment she senses you’re not serious or still talking to other girls, she’ll start to pull away. And if she’s already slept with you, she’ll be pretty upset. I’ve had that happen more times than I can count.
/r/seduction06/04/25 04:02 PM
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I’m not sure. Maybe it’s just because I’m still young, but it seems like most girls aren’t eager to sleep with a guy who’s only a ‘maybe’ at best. If a girl likes you enough to go on a few dates and eventually sleep with you, chances are she’s looking for something serious.
/r/seduction06/04/25 06:19 AM
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I know—that’s why I’m super careful about how I interact with girls in my community.
/r/seduction06/04/25 05:45 AM
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Brother, it just doesn’t work. Very few women are ever going to throw themselves at a guy who’s a ‘maybe’ at best. I’m not a bad-looking dude, but that kind of approach only really works for the top 1%.
/r/seduction06/04/25 05:44 AM
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I meant maybe in the context of his willingness to commit.
/r/seduction28/02/25 10:50 PM
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In my experience, most women aren’t eager to share that level of intimacy with someone who’s a maybe at best.
/r/seduction28/02/25 10:30 PM
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I was referring to sexual jokes. I make an effort to avoid using them too early.
/r/seduction28/02/25 09:20 PM
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I’ve definitely refined my appearance to give off more of a “player” vibe, and I tend to joke around a lot, but I make a point not to let the humor turn sexual too soon. That said, I’m not sure how to implicitly convey that I’m not looking for anything serious.
/r/seduction28/02/25 08:47 PM
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It feels so awkward with the women I’ve cold approached. Also, being upfront about it signals to a woman that any hangout with her is going to lead to sex, leaving her without an easy way out if she decides she’s not comfortable with it.
/r/seduction28/02/25 07:12 PM
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If your goal is to have both quality and quantity when it comes to having sex with women, the most effective approach is to feign interest in a long-term relationship. This is the classic f*ckboy strategy, and it works remarkably well. The issue, however, is that it’s incredibly unethical, and I can’t understand how anyone could consistently do this and still feel good about themselves.
/r/seduction15/02/25 01:24 AM
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She probably feels like I should’ve told her that before we slept together.
/r/seduction09/11/24 07:29 AM
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I didn’t realize we weren’t a good match until we slept together. Isn’t that a pretty common experience?
/r/seduction09/11/24 07:26 AM
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I just know that many women feel used in situations like this, which is likely why so many women today won’t sleep with a guy until there’s exclusivity. Not that a guy can’t still leave once exclusivity is established, but he’s much less likely to get away with it.
/r/seduction09/11/24 07:22 AM
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😭😭
/r/seduction09/11/24 07:11 AM
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I agree with everything you said. My only point of contention is that, from a woman’s perspective—though this may also involve a cultural element—when a woman sleeps with a man, it’s often because she felt there was a deeper connection, one that suggested the potential for a long-term relationship. Most women don’t casually sleep with someone who’s a ‘maybe.’ In my experience, I didn’t realize I didn’t actually like the girl until after we slept together, but that’s not exactly something I can o…
/r/seduction09/11/24 07:01 AM
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You can be witty and still rely on familiar phrases that work every time.
/r/seduction02/11/24 06:46 AM
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It’s definitely clever the first time you come up with it. Some phrases are worth keeping in your repertoire, but yes, the goal is always to keep things spontaneous.
/r/seduction01/11/24 11:56 PM
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I get what you’re saying. With some women, it definitely does feel like I’m getting to know them as a friend first. But the issue arises when I express my interest and ask for their number—there’s an underlying implication that I’m interested in them as a potential long-term partner. And it’s not assuming that she’ll be “the one” or that she’ll necessarily want to be with me.
/r/seduction25/09/24 09:41 PM
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Could you elaborate on how you typically meet these women? What do you usually say during your initial interactions? From my experience, it seems that whenever I give any indication that a woman I’m talking to isn’t particularly unique or that I might be talking to other women, her interest tends to fade. The only exception seems to be when I lead her on or create false hope, which I try to avoid.
/r/seduction25/09/24 06:36 PM
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I was just giving an example, but it’s less about what you say and more about figuring out who’s genuinely interested anyway.
/r/seduction23/09/24 03:43 AM
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No, I wouldn’t say I’m a nice guy in the stereotypical sense—I’m not overly agreeable, and I don’t tolerate bullsh*t. But I try to avoid getting sexual when I flirt, especially early on, which is why I lean into playful allusions to love. For example, if a woman asks how I’m doing, I might say something like, “A little down, since I haven’t seen you in a couple of days.” It’s spontaneous, and I usually come up with those lines on the spot.
/r/seduction23/09/24 02:38 AM
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Is it possible to shoot yourself in the foot before even having that conversation? When I flirt—especially early on, when it’s not super sexual—I often make playful allusions to love, being in love, how amazing the girl is, or how happy she makes me. It’s usually over the top, which is intentional, but could that kind of talk give the wrong impression?
/r/seduction23/09/24 02:23 AM
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It’s not that I’ve been avoiding the conversation, but is there any reasonable way to sleep with a woman first and then let them know you’re not looking for anything serious without coming across as an asshole?
/r/seduction23/09/24 02:04 AM
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Is there a way I can hold off on sharing what I’m ultimately looking for without coming across as an asshole?
/r/seduction23/09/24 01:58 AM
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Well, the Redditor who started this thread said that being upfront from the jump feels very awkward since it comes across as if you’re only interested in them for sex.
/r/seduction22/09/24 11:23 PM
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Where do commitment and exclusivity fit into that scale? I’m not sure relationships always progress in the way you describe. In my experience, the vast majority of the women I’ve met—outside of party or club settings—tend to only want to sleep with someone if they sense a possibility for a long-term, committed relationship. It’s hard for me to imagine a scenario where a woman wouldn’t feel misled or disappointed if you choose not to commit after being intimate with her. Sure, you might be fun, e…
/r/seduction22/09/24 09:43 PM
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Eventually, I do say something along those lines, especially that I enjoy spending time with them but I’m not focused on building a long-term future with someone. But taking things slow in a relationship is very different from not actively looking for one.
/r/seduction22/09/24 09:15 PM
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That’s the thing—I’m not just trying to hook up. I enjoy getting to know the women, but at some point, it starts to feel like they’re using that to gauge how serious I am about them. It’s hard to explain, but in those moments, it feels like anything I say implies I see them as a potential long-term partner.
/r/seduction22/09/24 07:12 PM
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Well, it’s different with women because what is that connection ultimately built on?
/r/seduction22/09/24 04:38 PM
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There’s no room for uncertainty when they end up feeling like you were never serious about them from the start.
/r/seduction22/09/24 04:35 PM
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Brother, I try to keep things fun and lighthearted—I’m always flirting and making jokes—but I’ve realized that only gets me so far. Eventually, they’re looking for deeper conversations, the kind that really bring two people closer.
/r/seduction22/09/24 04:32 PM
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Here’s the reality: it’s unlikely you’ll get laid without expressing, or at least implying through your conversations, a desire for a long-term relationship.
/r/seduction22/09/24 03:12 PM
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How can I build a meaningful connection with her without it being based on the expectation of a relationship?
/r/seduction22/09/24 12:55 PM
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That still feels misleading, since I’m not really open to or looking for a serious relationship. Plus, it wouldn’t work if she wants to know if I’m seeing other people.
/r/seduction22/09/24 06:18 AM
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Do you really not remember what you wrote in your first comment? I’m not sure what else I can do to be appealing other than being myself, looking good, being flirty, making jokes, and listening.
/r/seduction23/08/24 06:15 PM
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You literally suggested I should tell them I’m looking for something casual, with the possibility of more if feelings develop.
/r/seduction23/08/24 05:56 PM
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You’re not wrong, but if every woman I meet is looking for commitment, how am I magically supposed to change that?
/r/seduction23/08/24 05:51 PM
0

If you’re suggesting I should be honest about what I want, why does it matter how I come across?
/r/seduction23/08/24 05:46 PM
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That seems like the kind of conversation that can be really frustrating for most women.
/r/seduction23/08/24 05:44 PM
0

Exactly. Women are practically trained to spot and weed out f*ckboys. There might be an art to getting a girl to break up with you, though.
/r/seduction23/08/24 07:28 AM
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Even lying by omission doesn’t work anymore because these women will test you and expect you to show genuine interest in getting to know them.
/r/seduction23/08/24 07:09 AM
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I don’t know, man. The women I attract seem to know what they want, and that’s commitment.
/r/seduction23/08/24 07:06 AM
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Being upfront about not wanting commitment often leads to rejection because most women seek intimacy within the context of a long-term committed relationship. Expressing this can be as off-putting as saying you’re only interested in sex.
/r/seduction12/08/24 12:23 AM
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When a girl chooses to sleep with you, she likely believed there was something meaningful. If you suddenly express otherwise, she’ll feel hurt.
/r/seduction11/08/24 09:26 PM
0

The reality is that most women seek intimacy within the context of a long-term, committed relationship. Even the less conventionally attractive women who’ve approached me have wanted commitment. While some women are open to casual relationships, they are relatively rare and likely already in one. It also depends on where you meet these women. Since I don’t frequent clubs or travel where casual encounters are more common, the women I meet are generally interested in a long-term relationship.
/r/seduction11/08/24 06:18 PM
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Buddy, I was able to sleep with her because I led her on. Come on, man.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:01 PM
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There might be a smooth way to handle it so she feels like she’s in control.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:00 PM
0

Saying that after you’ve already had sex is likely to upset her.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:55 PM
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If it were a girl from another town or neighborhood, maybe, but I don’t want to gain a reputation as a player or a Casanova with the local girls I interact with.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:54 PM
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You don’t seem to realize that being fun and flirty only works for so long—at least in my experience. I don’t meet girls at clubs or parties. When a girl gives you a chance, it’s usually because she thinks you might be interested in committing to her.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:51 PM
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I suppose it also depends on where you meet these women. I don’t go to clubs or travel much, so most of the women I interact with are through school, work, or formal gatherings.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:50 PM
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The problem is I had to pretend I wanted something serious to get her to sleep with me. If being upfront about not wanting exclusivity worked as often, more people would be honest about it.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:48 PM
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Of course I did. How else would I get her to want to sleep with me? Be upfront about wanting to be non-exclusive? That almost never works.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:45 PM
0

And reveal myself as a jerk who pretended to like her just to get laid?
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:43 PM
0

Brother, if I just end things, I’m instantly exposing myself as someone who misled her.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:42 PM
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Because of what I said to get her to sleep with me. Come on, guys, keep up.
/r/seduction11/08/24 03:41 PM
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I’m not sure where you meet women (I don’t go to clubs), but the only way I’ve found success is by pretending to show interest in getting to know them and potentially dating them. Being flirty only works for so long before they lose patience. Eventually, you either retreat or play the game by telling them what they want to hear. While it’s not ethical, this is the only approach that consistently works.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:51 AM
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Most women seek intimacy within the context of a long-term, committed relationship. If you don’t offer the possibility of that commitment, your chances of seducing a woman decreases significantly.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:35 AM
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Did I do what?
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:33 AM
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What you’re suggesting—being upfront about not wanting exclusivity—is something all men can do, but it rarely works. If it were successful, we wouldn’t see so many men resorting to being f*ckboys.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:32 AM
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No, it doesn’t, because most men in this situation ghost women after they’ve gotten what they want, which isn’t impressive. You misled her and then essentially confirmed her doubts.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:29 AM
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Given that you’ve already made several incorrect conclusions, your confidence in everything you say is quite surprising.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:26 AM
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Brother, when I said “playing games,” I meant being deceptive, not the way women might play games.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:20 AM
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Being honest about not wanting an exclusive relationship almost always leads to rejection, which is why some men resort to playing games.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:16 AM
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In this case, saying no would imply that I lied just to get what I wanted.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:14 AM
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Women have more opportunities for casual sex, but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are engaging in it more frequently.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:11 AM
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Amusing, but that’s clearly not what I meant.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:09 AM
1

The number of people engaging in casual sex is low. Most men struggle to engage in such encounters, and most women just aren’t interested in them, which is why a lot of men resort to dishonesty.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:08 AM
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I hope so as well.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:03 AM
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I disagree with your statement. Most women aren’t looking for casual sex.
/r/seduction11/08/24 05:01 AM
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I already am someone many women want, but they want to tie me down.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:59 AM
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Of course, I’m being deceptive to get laid—that’s a given. If I could achieve the same results without lying, I would.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:56 AM
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I’m just trying to get laid. What led you to that conclusion? 😭
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:51 AM
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Brother, I’d be happy because I managed to have her end the relationship on her own.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:50 AM
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Such girls are rare. As I mentioned in another comment, most women seek intimacy within the context of a long-term, committed relationship.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:49 AM
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Brother, the reason you can get a woman into bed is that you say what she wants to hear. Women desire intimacy within the context of a committed relationship, so you need to offer that possibility. If you say all the right things and then just ghost her, that’s not impressive. True skill lies in having her decide to end things herself whilst feeling good about it.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:47 AM
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No, I’m just behaving in a way that might would make her lose interest or want to end things. I want to be like the meme of the black guy hiding behind the tree when I find out she’s been seeing other people.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:41 AM
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Women are just as manipulative. They may say they want commitment but act in ways that contradict that, short of cheating. I might as well use that to my advantage.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:34 AM
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Wow, that’s impressive. I managed to mislead her the entire time, and now with this approach, I can make her believe that’s exactly what I intended.
/r/seduction11/08/24 04:23 AM
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Like I mentioned before, most women eventually want something deeper beyond the flirty and fun interactions. I believe most women inherently desire intimacy within the context of a long-term relationship, which might differ from how men typically experience attraction.
/r/seduction11/08/24 02:46 AM
1

Whether it’s over text or in person, it’s the deep conversations that bring people closer. I either retreat, or play along, but unfortunately, playing along usually leads to them getting upset.
/r/seduction11/08/24 12:23 AM
1

You can only be smooth and flirty for so long. Eventually, women want to see that you’re serious about getting to know them. If I don’t explicitly state that I want to keep things non-exclusive—which usually means no sex—any attempt to get to know them is seen as a desire for exclusivity. That’s often when I do get sex. So, to get what I want, I’m considering finding a way to make them want to break up with me. Do you understand what I mean?
/r/seduction11/08/24 12:11 AM
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This happens quite often. Women who initially show interest in me often lose it due to this, unless I pretend to be genuinely interested in seeing them.
/r/seduction10/08/24 11:57 PM
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That will never happen because it doesn’t exist.
/r/seduction10/08/24 11:51 PM
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Women pick up on my confidence, smoothness, and way with words, which leads them to suspect they might be dealing with a f*ckboy.
/r/seduction10/08/24 11:48 PM
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If I come across as a f*ckboy, most women typically won’t engage with me.
/r/seduction10/08/24 11:23 PM
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The problem arises when you communicate those things after you’ve already had sex with her.
/r/seduction10/08/24 11:19 PM
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I’ve never ever invited a girl back to my place without first spending some time together. And that’s the thing—when I tell a woman I’m non-committal after we’ve had sex, she always gets upset.
/r/seduction10/08/24 10:39 PM
1

Of course, if they felt misled, then absolutely.
/r/seduction10/08/24 10:37 PM
1

And end up feeling like an asshole afterward?
/r/seduction10/08/24 08:12 PM
2

Brother, I’m literally going on dates. How else am I supposed to meet and connect with women?
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:16 PM
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Like I mentioned, when I’m upfront, they reject me; when I’m vague, they feel led on. Maybe the only option left is to be deceptive and create a situation where they want to break up. You could act overly clingy or give her the ick on purpose.
/r/seduction10/08/24 02:20 AM
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At the very least, I care about minimizing the fallout. I’ll make her want to break up with me.
/r/seduction10/08/24 02:03 AM
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I never said it was ethical, but the reality is, being upfront often leads to rejection, while being vague or deceptive risks being exposed. But if you approach it strategically, like a game of chess, you’ve truly mastered it.
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:56 AM
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If she doesn’t feel wronged, why should it matter?
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:51 AM
0

If being upfront results in most girls rejecting you, and being vague and ambiguous makes you come across as an asshole, then the best outcome would be to be vague and ambiguous while avoiding the perception of being an asshole.
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:47 AM
0

Maybe there’s a way to be an asshole without being seen as one.
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:12 AM
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Maybe there’s a way to subtly mislead them while making them feel like they’re in control. That’s where true mastery lies.
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:08 AM
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This might be the best comment I’ve seen encountered on this sub. You, my friend, have pinpointed the exact issue.
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:05 AM
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Who said I wouldn’t practice safe sex and get tested regularly? For the record, I received my HPV vaccine in high school. Also, many adults in the States carry HSV, often without symptoms. I use well-fitting condoms, and if you check my post history, you’ll see why that’s the case.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:58 AM
0

Condoms, condoms, and that’s what I’m trying to mitigate.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:48 AM
1

Can you please explain why casual sex is a liability?
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:41 AM
1

Most women, especially women I’m attracted to, aren’t interested in that type of relationship.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:31 AM
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What I’m saying is that whenever I’ve been intimate with a woman, there’s always been an expectation of exclusivity. When I’ve expressed that I don’t want that, they’ve gotten upset.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:22 AM
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Being upfront usually leads to rejection.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:14 AM
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When I’m upfront about my intentions, I’m unsuccessful, especially with the kind of women I want to be intimate with. When I try to be vague and not state my intentions clearly, I have some success but often get labeled as a player or Casanova. While the latter approach is effective, I wish there were a way to do it without feeling like an asshole. If there were a way to handle it so that she felt like she was the one ending things, that would be beautiful.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:13 AM
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I don’t know, man. I just don’t have experience being intimate with women without the expectation of exclusivity.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:08 AM
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I’ve tried that approach before, but it didn’t work well. I’ve also attempted to be vague and avoid leading someone on, yet I still ended up being perceived as a f*ckboy.
/r/seduction10/08/24 12:02 AM
1

I primarily go to coffee dates.
/r/seduction09/08/24 11:59 PM
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I already know how to do all that.
/r/seduction09/08/24 11:58 PM
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How exactly can I do that when I’m going on dates with these women?
/r/seduction09/08/24 11:50 PM
1

And when’s that?
/r/seduction07/08/24 01:08 AM
1

I’ve actually used a variation of that line before. When do you typically say it?
/r/seduction06/08/24 11:56 PM
1

Being vague like that inevitably leads to being seen as an asshole.
/r/seduction06/08/24 10:18 PM
1

I don’t usually go to places where women are more likely to be looking for casual relationships, such as clubs or frat parties. I also refuse to compromise my standards for casual encounters, which has narrowed my options significantly. I’ve also faced criticism from a couple women I’ve been casually involved with for not wanting exclusivity, even though we had both agreed on a non-exclusive arrangement. It’s ironic how you can still be perceived as the bad guy even when you’re upfront about you…
/r/seduction06/08/24 06:56 PM
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I guess you didn’t read my post, where I specifically asked how to increase the likelihood of finding a casual relationship without lying or resorting to being a f*ckboy.
/r/seduction06/08/24 06:21 PM
1

Leading someone on involves creating the impression of a committed, exclusive relationship without any intention of actually pursuing it. This isn’t just my opinion—it’s exactly what you’re suggesting. It might work, but don’t claim it’s not deceptive. Failing to discuss your true intentions is lying by omission.
/r/seduction06/08/24 06:10 PM
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This behavior is likely to frustrate women. If you’re treating her as if she’s your future wife without genuine intentions, you’re leading her on. When she eventually calls out your inconsistencies, it will backfire. Most women today are very perceptive to this kind of behavior. This just isn’t my approach. It feels unethical and stressful.
/r/seduction06/08/24 05:47 PM
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Well, even when seeking something casual, it’s important to establish a connection beyond just physical attraction. Your intentions are often reflected in your actions. By taking her on a date, you’re signaling that you see her as a potential long-term partner. If you focus solely on flirting or being playful without showing genuine interest, she might interpret that as a lack of seriousness about getting to know her.
/r/seduction06/08/24 04:44 PM
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I don’t disagree with your points, but when you take women on dates, they usually assume you’re interested in a potential long-term relationship. Your words and actions during the date should reflect that intention.
/r/seduction06/08/24 03:53 PM
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Many women will only be intimate if there’s a prospect of a long-term relationship.
/r/seduction06/08/24 03:45 PM
3

With regular women, especially the attractive ones, it’s hard to establish a sexual dynamic early on. I’m always flirty, but not in a way that only conveys sexual interest. This is probably why many women give me a chance in the first place.
/r/seduction06/08/24 03:33 PM
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I think it’s more that women want to know where things are heading, especially if you took her out with the intention of exploring a long-term connection.
/r/seduction06/08/24 05:19 AM
3

How does that contrast to what you say earlier to get laid?
/r/seduction06/08/24 04:37 AM
3

What approach do you take when it’s time to have the talk?
/r/seduction06/08/24 04:28 AM
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I’d say about 90% lose interest right away, and of the remaining 10%, some hope to turn it into a relationship.
/r/seduction06/08/24 04:21 AM
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Where’s the line between seduction and leading someone on?
/r/seduction06/08/24 03:25 AM
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