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| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysWhat do I have to look forward to? A life with more betrayal? Being alone? Neither of those 2 but the threat constantly being there? Pretending like I love doing my hobbies so much that I could be perfectly fine never interacting with someone again? Constantly having to suppress my emotions so I can have someone to cuddle with and have sex with? Stooping my morals so that I think everyone is just a replacable and just become another average selfish fuck? | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 11:16 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysI dont even know if its about the girl per se. She seems more like a window into human nature. How selfish people are. Idk if I want to deal with that. I think the relationship with her has solidified that most of the things I feared about people. I mean to claim you love love love someone and then not being willing to give them a second chance cause you convinced herself being in a relationship with them is nothing but bad? And people do it everyday. If people didnt invest and pit their egos ag… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 08:35 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysWith the alpha beta thing, I dont mean it that way but more like how she percieved me. Attracted to not attracted you could think of it but with my behavior also supplementing that. People dont just change thier minds. Thought goes into it. Time too. And if a person loves you, they should include you in the conversation if things are chaning so the 2 of you can work it out together. If it's not possible to work it out thats one thing, but to just go shrug people change thier mind is such a shitt… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 08:12 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysMy emptions about this specific event may get better but it doesnt change how fucked up people are. I dont want to deal with it. I was already on the precpice of giving up with people and then this shit happens. To know it can easily happen again or even better Ill be faced with the same low SMV auto reject by girls and be an incel again? Why engage with people at all? This girl claimed she loved me so fucking much and then when I was the one who needed her to put in extra effort, to convince he… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 08:05 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysIf it gets stale I'd say it's just as much in the hands of the person who wants to break up. Inflicting this sort of pain on someone should be a last resort imo. I think love is mostly a choice and even it gets stale it can grow again if both people are willing. What do you think? Still, in this situation I would have been satisfied with something a bit more like that though. Instead this bitch convinced me this is a long term thing (at least a year she said) then decides after pulling away and … | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 07:55 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysYou've done something like this to someone? Why? | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 03:18 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysI'm trying to do these things. I really am. The feelings are just so oppressive. I'm hanging on an edge these days. Do you have any other advice for dealing with dependency issues? | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 02:43 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysThere's nothing to go back to. She became an abusive, objectifying, hypocritical, sneaky, lying bitch. And I showed her love for 2 months while she was doing that shit only to get abused more and more. I couldn't see it while I was in it, but after a week of no contact it hit me like a ton of bricks. I couldn't believe the monstrous person I allowed myself to care for. I even asked her to take me back again after this realization if you believe. I had a huge breakdown thinking about all this shi… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 02:41 AM |
| 2 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysI meant it in terms of her perspective mostly. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/16 12:18 AM |
| 1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysI probably do. I've had a fucked up childhood and family life. Not sure what I can change. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/12/16 11:43 PM |
| 2 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysThe cum dumpster showed me how the world is. The truthfulness to TRP. I don't know if I want to live in a RP world, I suppose. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/12/16 11:42 PM |
| 3 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysI've started to exercise a bit recently. 3 times a week, 30 mins cardio. Trying to build the habit of exercise. It feels good in the moment, but doesn't change the nature of relationships. The nature of people. That's my issue. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/12/16 11:40 PM |
| 3 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysLearn some spine, pride and arrogance I understand why spine is a good thing, but why is pride and arrogance good? | /r/TheRedPill | 06/12/16 11:35 PM |
| 2 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysDoing things by myself has no interest to me. I just don't care. And this experience has really solidified that I can't trust anyone. That you can be dropped like a piece of shit at any time. The prospect of never being able to achieve a lasting relationship makes life seem completely meaningless. If I know it's totally impossible to get what I want (women don't love like men) then what's the point? The outcome is already set. I've lost. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/12/16 10:57 PM |
| -1 | Break up with ex is making me suicidal. Help me please guysIsn't this a place guys can come to get out how they feel cause of the SMP and get advice? I posted under venting. Did you expect insights? Or do you just think I'm a troll? | /r/TheRedPill | 06/12/16 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I see your objection with the dating coach. Wouldn't that be true of any image consultant though? If a dating coach isn't what you were thinking about with your suggestion what do you think would work? My main source of depression is just being lonely, alone and an incel. While there are things I can do to combat that I know the big solution is either upping my SMV to the point where I can be satisfied with what I bring in through who I am or through what I can pay for. Until then I will always … | /r/TheRedPill | 21/02/16 05:59 PM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.Hey, I've been pretty depressed and work loaded these last few days hence my delayed response. Just want to let you know I read this and I'm considering basically all of your suggestions except the older woman one cause I know that's neither practical nor desirable to me. I scheduled an appointment with a dating coach in my city so that's my first attempt at the consultant suggestion. The rest of your suggestions I have already started months ago in various capacities and need to continue develo… | /r/TheRedPill | 21/02/16 11:50 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I've long accepted that relationships are transactional. Sometimes, I think it's simply the best thing. What bothers me is: 1. Being unable to get others to form transactional bonds with me and 2. The narrow minded, programmed, selfishness with which people determine which transactions to engage in, to what extend and with whom. The second point is highlighted partly (the part that seems to affect me the most) with you saying "this invisible system of control that causes people to robotically ab… | /r/TheRedPill | 13/02/16 05:42 PM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.You have your reasons for lifting and I have mine. Everything I am doing in my life right now is to get to a level of acceptance with others. I don't care whether I am fat, skinny or jacked that much for it's own sake. I care for the effects it might have on me getting what I want socially. And I've experienced those highs from exercising as you put it and they don't last long for me. The loneliness I experience has lasted over a decade, however. You talk about earning respect, but most people I… | /r/TheRedPill | 13/02/16 06:36 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.Lifting isn't the prime problem. People don't respect me or want to be around me in the most basic, platonic ways. I'm below orbiter status. It must be because of how I act around people aka game. Even if I got shredded that problem would remain. However, I have already started lifting and dieting, but not long enough to get results. I have also started a number of other things to improve my life and I have felt the changes in my confidence, but not my social results. I am still a socially worth… | /r/TheRedPill | 13/02/16 02:50 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I want to focus on one thing you said because I think it's the most important thing by far for my progress. I agree with the idea that I need to work to become a player. I also don't think you understand my points completely, but I want to abandon all that because I will be lifting and dressing better and getting more hobbies and a whole host of other things regardless of what you say to me. The part I want to highlight is: I used to run my mouth and come across like a spazz. Now I watch other p… | /r/TheRedPill | 10/02/16 05:48 AM |
| 1 | What is the root or essence of game?understanding what is sexy, then being sexy in a way that draws women. Well, what is sexy? What is at the root of sexy behavior? The driving principal of game is passion. I am a very passionate person. I am also a 26 year old virgin incel. I don't think it's that simple, respectfully, because if it were all about passion I'd be a rock star. I also think TRP wouldn't suggest various techniques and mindsets that promote indifference rather than passion. What do you think? Being nice doesn't work b… | /r/askTRP | 06/02/16 04:09 PM |
| 1 | What is the root or essence of game?I'm looking for the midpoint between the the how and why as you define them. I've read A LOT on the how and continue to do so. Yet, I am still a 26 year old virgin with no prospects of not being a virgin (or even getting a date) any time soon. I am trying to understand what's behind all the ideas. How to put everything in context when you have 1000 techniques and options in a given social situation. I need something more fundamental to approach socializing with. | /r/askTRP | 06/02/16 03:56 PM |
| 0 | What is the root or essence of game?I'd say it's 'frame,' keeping control over your view of reality and inviting others to share it. How do you that effectively? Why are the things that are effective for this effective and why are other things ineffective or neutral? | /r/askTRP | 06/02/16 09:08 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.Sorry for the delayed response. Been busy and depressed. One guy makes good money and is not bad looking and has a lot of skills, but he's just unrelenting negative and insensitive. He doesn't try to get to know girls first and charm them, he just goes right for number without any qualification. But his unwillingness to give up and his determination are admirable, as well as bravery and ability to endure lots of rejections. He'll eventually find someone who will tolerate him. I mean that just go… | /r/TheRedPill | 06/02/16 06:24 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.How do you know you're being objective? Keep a journal. Take notes. Buy a woman's magazine and see what they're being groomed and brainwashed to like. Study the men that the women in your life seem to gravitate to. Dissect everything they do. Start trying to copy them. Write down the results. Do this for everything: appearance, vocal tone, conversational subjects, etc. These are very good suggestions. I am going to start working on them immediately. What's the complete package? A good-looking, h… | /r/TheRedPill | 01/02/16 04:58 PM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I agree with your dichotomy among people who allow their negative emotions to prevent them from acting. What I am talking about is different though. I am talking about there being no causation between being indifferent and aloof or whatever and being successful in anything. You defined a relationship between how people deal with fear and how it can prevent them from succeeded and success, but it's different than from what I am talking about. Anyway, if you improve your SMV, your luck will improv… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/01/16 08:34 AM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?That's absurd. With that mentality I could just do nothing and keep believing in that too. There just seems to be no solace any where resolving this issue. It all comes down to faith and luck it seems. | /r/askTRP | 28/01/16 01:28 PM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?If you agree on TRP ideology, which is backed up by a lot of information gathered throughout the years by using logic, then you have to agree this'll work. I'm sure you can name a few men that aren't as rich as you, good looking as you that might get a decent amount of women. One thing is, they have game which you can obtain also through practice. Well, TRP doesn't work the same for everyone. I believe in it somewhat, but I don't know for sure if it will work for me. Right now monk mode is about… | /r/askTRP | 28/01/16 07:16 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.You have to view it as a hero's journey, or a game, or a quest, or fun, or something that energizes you and makes you feel good about yourself. So, between the two concepts: detaching emotion from outcome, and enjoying the journey, you'll find that what appears to the uninitiated outsiders as "insane amounts work," is actually just your life. I mean that's a fine framing exercise, but some things are just sheer work. Like no one would approach 100 girls to get a yes if they could find the desira… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/01/16 06:47 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I don't understand how something so natural can be so much work. I don't understand how something the average 16 year old can perform better than me in can be something I need to work so hard for. I don't know that my insane amount of effort will amount to anything but unanswered texts like the effort I put in now does. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/01/16 04:20 PM |
| 1 | Legitimacy is Next to GodlinessGreat post and one that I personally needed. Thank you. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/01/16 03:05 PM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?I agree though, as a virgin that's 26, sex is important to you. Monk mode is for you to make yourself in the best form so you can acquire sex though. It will work for sure. You need to look at your flaws and eradicate them or find ways to work around them. That's what it's gonna come down to. Why are you certain that it will work? What if I am or will do it wrong? Honestly I would get a decent hooker. It'll actually give you the confidence to approach regular girls and figure out how they work. … | /r/askTRP | 27/01/16 02:09 PM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.Your whole desire thing is very odd and doesn't really make sense. I, for example, have absolutely no desire for men sexually. My lack of desire does not suddenly make men want to fuck me. My lack of desire for women below 6s does not suddenly make them give me IOIs. Therefore, I think it's safe to conclude that desire is not the problem. There is indication of even a correlation let alone a causation. I know it's the TRP philosophy to say that you need to not want women at all and then they com… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/01/16 10:21 PM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I'm not talking about screwing HB 10s around the clock. I'm talking about being able to have a date with a woman I find attractive or losing my virginity. I don't know where you got it that this is about me being unable to get the most in demand women all the time because I never said that and because it's simply not that way. I'd be on top of the world if a 7 desired me. I just want to be competent at gaining sexual experiences and have a sex life that doesn't just involve porn and my hand. To … | /r/TheRedPill | 26/01/16 04:46 PM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?Once you're doing that, expect results only when the time period in which you're putting in work is over and no more work is needed. Ex- Getting 4.0 GPA in a semester. Don't stop studying or doing work til the very last day of class or finals. It can't be like halfway into the semester and you start thinking 'hey I'm def getting a 4.0' or 'damn I bombed the test, oh well no point in trying snymore'. Fact is you still have time left in which you can fuxk up or do better. Only when it's said and d… | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 12:54 PM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?I agree, but I think that is where game and frame come into play. Once you have some value and people coming to you for something you can set terms to them getting that value. Then people either take those terms or leave it. The value is the bait and the terms are the hook. Not everyone is going to bite, but I imagine more people will than if you nothing to bring them to you in the first place. That's my theory at least. | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 12:40 PM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?When I said positive feedback I meant that, but also the results that come from improvement like the ones you mentioned, but also having girls desire me and friends wanting me around. Those are the indicators that I am actually achieving things in the social sphere. It's not about just having people patting me on the back or not being myself. There is a distinction, I think. | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 06:10 AM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?You bring up a tricky point. What does it mean to do something for oneself? If I am "doing it for women" am I not still doing it for myself? Am I not trying to appease them so they will give me what I want? What does it mean to live for me outside of the things I achieve and the experiences I have? What am I outside of those things if you remove any spiritual, religious and mystical crap that can't be proven? As for what you say about there never being an end, that would be fine except for the i… | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 06:06 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.If your message is to simple tell me others suffer more and thus I should learn to accept my fate, I reject it. My plan in life is either to become a player or kill myself. I've given myself 10 more years to accomplish the former. Otherwise, I am done. If you want to help then I welcome it. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/01/16 05:45 AM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?You've already been in monk mode fof 26 years. Why waste any more time on it? Has it really produced the results you are looking for? I haven't really dedicated myself in the ways that seem to be required to get women. I still have around 20% body fat nor do have a distinct way of dressing. I think those are 2 big and important things for attracting women. At least that's according to this sub. A month ago I started reading book of pook, but I had to stop. I find the writing style insulting, the… | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 05:44 AM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?I agree. I have specific goals. Get in shape, dress better, develop hobbies, get good grades in the short term. Longer term is get pussy, get a good job, and traveling. | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 05:33 AM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?I am sorry that was a shock for you. My life has always been filled with loneliness so I knew this side of people way before now. I know I need to be a person of value, I have to be able to give things people want and do it in a manner that is charming in order for them to desire me. My despair stems from the possibility that I am not good enough to achieve that level of value where I can have people's selfishness work for me rather than against me. | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 05:18 AM |
| 1 | How do you have faith that monk mode will work?That's assuming that there is some reason to live or some source of happiness that can sustain you as you try and possibly fail. I do not have that. I hate everything about my life basically and the only reason to live is the hope I will someday have the life I want. That's it for me. | /r/askTRP | 26/01/16 05:16 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.Also, keep some historical perspective. As Jay-Z says, "If you're having girl problems, I feel bad for you son, but I got 99 problems . . . ." As much as it sucks not to get laid, keep in mind that part of the reason it sucks is marketing; you're constantly being bombarded with advertising showing off people happily pairing off and having sex. But there are a lot of lonely people out there who don't get laid. Also, there are people with way worse problems. And from a historical standpoint, peopl… | /r/TheRedPill | 25/01/16 05:44 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.Yeah, it could be that you have horrible game, or it could be these girls just plain suck. Men tend to blame themselves when something goes wrong with a woman, but if some woman that you weren't attracted to hits on you and tries to date you, and you gently give her the brush-off, is it really her fault that you weren't interested? Maybe she could have done more to make herself more marketable, but that only works up to a point. I've been on both sides of the equation, and it's just a straight u… | /r/TheRedPill | 25/01/16 04:22 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I don't understand your advice. It seems that you are saying I should dress well, but at the same time I'll never learn game so basically I will attract women at first and then make them run with my lack of game. That's like Sisyphus-esque nightmare. | /r/TheRedPill | 25/01/16 03:01 AM |
| 1 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.I don't personally have all those things, but I read, hear and observe men who do that either can't get dates, can't get sex or are stuck in shitty relationships. Myself, I am a 26 year old incel virgin who was depressed for a long time and is just trying to turn his life around. I'm going back to school and monk moding to get in shape and then buy some new clothes so I will be more stylish. I am also trying to socialize more and really pay attention to how I act and focus on always have a posit… | /r/TheRedPill | 25/01/16 03:01 AM |
| 3 | Sex is one of the hardest things to accomplish these days for young men.What about men who do and have all that, but still struggle with women? | /r/TheRedPill | 24/01/16 05:41 AM |
| 1 | Practice Game Everywhere You GoWhat's the difference between "being your best self" message of r.seudction and boosting your SMV of TRP in your eyes? The way I se it, if you are doing one you are doing the other. If you are doing your best there's nothing more anyone, including yourself, can expect and if doing more will, by definition, be worse. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/01/16 02:27 PM |
| 0 | “The Red Piller’s Guide to Online Dating: Over-Investment”If the guideline is to be less invested than the woman you are still basing your actions/emotions on the woman. You are going at her pace and taking a step back. She is still the center of the universe. Analysis does not need to be done purely from a mindset of investment in the results (getting the most dates/fucks possible) but can also come from an amused mindset (how degrading/overt can I make my text and still get a girl over to date/fuck, see some of the misc threads on a bodybuilder forum… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/12/15 06:05 AM |
| 1 | “The Red Piller’s Guide to Online Dating: Over-Investment”Isn't this level of analysis into how many letters you should type to a girl you just met indicative that you actually are extremely invested in the outcome? I'm not talking about the appearance you give to the girl, but your internal state. You are basing everything you do on how you think she will respond. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/15 09:43 PM |
| 2 | IM's Machiavellian MaximsAccording to who? For me, any insincere conversation tactics used by another person either automatically or in a very short time downgrades their status harshly in my eyes. Either I throw them out of my life completely or, if I can't do that, treat them politely but like an object. How is a person that I choose to degrade to one of those 2 positions powerful? | /r/TheRedPill | 28/12/15 09:35 PM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?It does. Thank you for sharing. | /r/askTRP | 28/12/15 08:02 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?I agree with everything you are saying. I just have a lot of doubts about socializing as I am a 26 yr old virgin incel with no almost no friends. I am trying to change and it's hard to know what goes where, so to speak. | /r/askTRP | 25/12/15 03:07 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?What are your must reads? | /r/askTRP | 25/12/15 01:46 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?Yea, I'm trying to build my character and social skills in a general way that is congruent both in appearance and in terms of my ideas while also be successful at socializing and meeting women. Right now, I am pretty much a total social loser. I am trying to fix that but it's confusing because it seems I'm supposed to X to make friends or business connections and then a polar opposite Y to bed women. I don't know how to resolve in a way that I can be a person I am proud and happy to be and that … | /r/askTRP | 24/12/15 07:47 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?I understand. My problem is actually the opposite. I am not sensitive enough with people and I always end up alone. TRP orients itself to help people who are afraid to be mean and assert their boundaries, but my problem is I am too quick to anger and giving up when relations don't go my way. I am blunt and undiplomatic and I am trying to change. I also have general confidence issues and need to lose weight just to throw that in there. This question though is more about how to take RP and BP elem… | /r/askTRP | 24/12/15 07:42 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?Ha, I have that book in my reading list. Do you think reading that will help me reconcile How to and TRP? | /r/askTRP | 24/12/15 07:36 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?That make sense. I am wondering more about the differences in tactics TRP and that book suggests. | /r/askTRP | 24/12/15 07:35 AM |
| 1 | What TRP's opinion on How to Make Friends and Influence People?Can you explain how to synthesize 48's content with How to's? | /r/askTRP | 23/12/15 06:49 PM |
| 1 | [FR] 10mins from meet to hook up.Could you expand on that a bit? I don't view TRP as inherently good or correct so it not being a TRP book means little to me. Also, TRP means different things to different people so it's hard to gauge what one means when something like that is said. Aside from the expressing of vulnerability, what do you think it suggests that is counter-productive to men's sexual success? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/12/15 09:12 PM |
| 2 | [FR] 10mins from meet to hook up.Why aren't you a fan of Models? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/12/15 10:31 AM |
| 1 | Breaking Up is Easy to DoWhy cant one maintain frame in a honest, full disclosure, compassionate way? | /r/TheRedPill | 07/12/15 03:46 PM |
| 2 | Computer Science Degree useless?So you think the age bias only disfavors the young? | /r/askTRP | 07/12/15 08:02 AM |
| 2 | Computer Science Degree useless?Could you expand on this? | /r/askTRP | 07/12/15 03:14 AM |
| 2 | Maintaining Frame and Applied Results After 8 Months of The Anger Phase: Thank you, Red Pill.Breakups can be painful and disorientating. Glad you are feeling more yourself. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/12/15 03:32 PM |
| 1 | Maintaining Frame and Applied Results After 8 Months of The Anger Phase: Thank you, Red Pill.You were already attractive enough to obtain a gf that was a 9 for some time and then you fucked a single girl that you had massive social proof with due to circumstances. I don't see how this is proof of any progress for you or how this post can serve as learning material for anyone. Also: when you say 8 months do you mean you were talking to the girl you fucked for 8 months or it's been 8 months since your relationship with your ex ended or you've been improving yourself in general for 8 month… | /r/TheRedPill | 03/12/15 07:37 AM |
| 2 | Classic from Mike Cernovich. Stop passing shit-tests. Start punishing, instead.The truth is, a lot of TRPs view on shit tests and even AWALT is just an extension of the natural urge to view women as hypoagents. It also plays into the sterotypical view that men are hyperagents by saying it's the man's job to deal with all these things in the right way. It's just a remarketing of the same social contract that TRP then condemns when straight talking about them. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/12/15 09:47 AM |
| 1 | Is there any type of game that revolves around eagerly showing a woman interest?Do you think eagerly showing a woman your interest means you are chasing her or puts her in a spot where she won't likely chase? | /r/askTRP | 24/11/15 03:19 AM |
| 1 | Is there any type of game that revolves around eagerly showing a woman interest?Would you say then that indifference is the root of game? | /r/askTRP | 24/11/15 12:34 AM |
| 2 | Is there any type of game that revolves around eagerly showing a woman interest?So number 1 and 2 seem to just be about making a joke rather than actually gaining a woman's attraction. Number 3 seems to be just using time constraints as a way of indicating disinterest. So are you really saying there's no way? | /r/askTRP | 24/11/15 12:26 AM |
| 1 | Is there any type of game that revolves around eagerly showing a woman interest?I don't understand. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/15 12:19 AM |
| 1 | An Easy Technique That Shuts Off Mental Chatter And Makes You More ExtrovertedI would like to read it in your words. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/11/15 06:43 PM |
| 2 | An Easy Technique That Shuts Off Mental Chatter And Makes You More ExtrovertedHow are you defining the Blue Pill mythology? | /r/TheRedPill | 23/11/15 06:32 AM |
| 1 | How can I stop being afraid of being nice?I'm glad I've helped. I just wish someone would chime in to help us. Asktrp is rather silent with this non-traditional question. | /r/askTRP | 13/11/15 12:31 PM |
| 1 | How can I stop being afraid of being nice?Yea, it's a very weird situation. I see it all the time in FR's where guys are almost arbitrarily interacting with women in such a way that showcases IDGAF or outcome independence or stoicism. It's obvious they implant it in to get women attracted. Part of that is the omission of anything that would be perceived by the irrational female hamster mind as unattractive like being nice or soft or having a weak frame. Thus, the problem of not wanting to be nice is a very real one and with that the fea… | /r/askTRP | 13/11/15 06:36 AM |
| 1 | How can I stop being afraid of being nice?I disagree, but thank you for your input. | /r/askTRP | 12/11/15 04:12 AM |
| 1 | How can I stop being afraid of being nice?Well, I don't think a woman's perception works on such a rational model. I think they see a cluster of behaviors and traits and through feels and a general impression formulate an image of a guy and thus their attraction or lack of it forms. This is where the confusion stemmed from. Will I look submissive, emotional, weak, obsessive, awkward or anything if I send this text and thus show this particular thought and feeling of mine? I see it all the time how in FRs guys do arbitrary or unnatural t… | /r/askTRP | 12/11/15 03:21 AM |
| 1 | How can I stop being afraid of being nice?Yes, I've looked at this stuff online and read Models. I am actually trying to implement this now a bit in myself and that's why I am asking this question. I just spent 2 hours anxiously debating sending a girl I'm attracted to a thank you text for helping me out with something. I was finally able to do it, but I was so irrationally and unhealthily afraid of it that I decided to post something here to possibly get more insight into this issue. | /r/askTRP | 12/11/15 02:29 AM |
| 1 | How can I stop being afraid of being nice?I've seen and commented on it. It doesn't really address what I'm asking. | /r/askTRP | 12/11/15 01:57 AM |
| 1 | How does a perverted or morbid sense of humor affect perceptions of SMV?That's not the type of humor I am talking about, but thanks for your input. | /r/askTRP | 06/11/15 06:42 AM |
| 2 | How does a perverted or morbid sense of humor affect perceptions of SMV?But whenever I'm just talking with female co-workers, friends, classmates, I can see the attraction gradually fade away whenever I engage in pervy humor. I can def feel the vibe change. Yes, I've experienced the same thing. It has that effect because without any sexual context, your actions just seem just that - pervy I have very little understanding of what perverted cause generally I just try to accept, empathize and understand people. So, to me, most expressions of opinions are feelings are f… | /r/askTRP | 05/11/15 10:11 PM |
| 1 | How does a perverted or morbid sense of humor affect perceptions of SMV?I think you missed word(s) in that post. | /r/askTRP | 05/11/15 08:59 PM |
| 2 | How does a perverted or morbid sense of humor affect perceptions of SMV?Interesting. I always thought having a pervy sense of humor would make one more edgy, be seen as sexual and all that. Yet you are saying it makes girls feel comfortable and friend zoned you. Why do you think it has that effect? | /r/askTRP | 05/11/15 08:59 PM |
| 0 | [FR] The Power of Walking AwayThe moment you have to start convincing you can write her off anyway because you've lost frame and won't get that topic discussed outside of her frame anymore anyway. Is it really that extreme? Is there no value in people talking things out with others? | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/15 03:33 PM |
| 1 | Be polite, not nice. (a how and why)As far as needing to use outright fabrication in order to seduce, i know plenty of guys who don't need to lie to get laid or play game. The difference would be a more adept level of power talk and more expansive verbiage. This of course has the added penalty of hoping the person you're speaking to can translate your vernacular correctly. Could you expand on this? How do these men operate? What do they do and say and what are they like? I'm very interested. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/15 04:55 AM |
| 1 | Be polite, not nice. (a how and why)Your personal assessment of people who are nice and polite and your where they come from is illogical. If you believe niceness is a inbuilt trait, possibly innate, then it doesn't make sense to think they are using it to get something. Like you said, "some people cannot help but be nice, while others simply cannot be nice, only seemingly coming close." Politeness, on the other hand like you said is "simply a behavior since it can be used or shut off or turned on regardless of the person using it… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/15 01:30 AM |
| 1 | Be polite, not nice. (a how and why)Being nice is doing, it's inherently connected with doing. Politeness is not, it's just a behavior with no desire to act. Niceness is charity, involving a transfer of your resources for little to nothing. Why would anyone respect a person who gives things away at no cost to the recipient I feel the opposite way. Why respect someone who is just pretending they are nice, but in reality are just doing what they want? What value do I get from that? None. Niceness, since it's tied to action, means th… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/15 12:59 AM |
| 1 | You are not fully experiencing the moment? You are not drawing anyone into your frame.I find people like you useless (in the context of socializing) and boring, but most other people seem to respect and like people like you. Why? | /r/TheRedPill | 25/10/15 08:55 AM |
| 1 | Is there a male equivalent of an Alpha widow?Are you implying only BPD's engage in " wild freaky no-holes-barred deviant sex"? | /r/TheRedPill | 25/10/15 04:53 AM |
| 3 | America is the FATTEST country in the world: Major reason for men being so DESPERATE!My standards have nothing do with my statement. I'm talking about the general aggregate standards of the genders which is asserted on TRP often. The narrative of the girl being able to fuck, who is above her in SMV while guys of low SMV be total incels or barely better being invisible is the dynamic I'm referring to. A person's standard is high as the least desirable person they are willing to fuck and that is what creates the basis of the "prices" in the SMP. When you combine desperate men who … | /r/TheRedPill | 13/10/15 10:02 PM |
| -3 | America is the FATTEST country in the world: Major reason for men being so DESPERATE!Wrong. Men aren't thristing for just skinny women. They are thirsting for pussy period. Which means the fat to skinny woman ratio means little. The real problem is the undue bolestering of female self esteem when they already are the gender with inherent genetic value per individual, the failing of boys to become men and/or the lack of incentives to do so and unrestrained hypergamy. | /r/TheRedPill | 13/10/15 08:42 PM |
| 4 | Women Have Dating/Sex Problems Too. They're Just Not YOUR Problems.You explained what you believe are the problems men and women face but didnt offer any reasons why 1 is worse or better than the other. Why do women have it worse in your opinion? | /r/TheRedPill | 05/10/15 06:11 PM |
| -1 | Your struggle and pain? Women neither understand nor give much of a fuck.Why get into a relationship when it's war and be partnered with someone who will just make life more complicated, difficult and stressful due to an irresistible genetic imperative? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/10/15 03:58 PM |
| 8 | Men aren't taught how to be attractive. Women are born into it.If even the top men who are getting the most attractive woman at high frequencies are becoming burnt out, doesn't that say, whether you are alpha or beta or omega or whatever, the dating game is fundamentally against men? If so, do you think there is way to change this? | /r/TheRedPill | 01/10/15 11:10 PM |
| 3 | “The Red Piller’s Guide to Online Dating”Women want to be seduced. Successfully seducing a woman is giving her what she wants. Being alpha is giving her what she wants. There's no hamstering that can be done to escape that. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/15 05:00 PM |
| 9 | “The Red Piller’s Guide to Online Dating”You wrote a huge guide on how to appeal and cater to females and get them attracted. That's the barking part. Betas meow and dont get laid. If simply doingwhat you wanted worked, this post and subreddit wouldnt exist. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/15 05:01 PM |
| 5 | Three Long Overdue Red Pill Reality ChecksHow can you say it's easy to get laid to a practical life long incel like myself who can't even get first dates? | /r/TheRedPill | 16/09/15 08:21 PM |
| 5 | The Gift of Insults: An Example of, and Lesson in Maintaining FrameI don't understand the last line. What gift is he referring to? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/09/15 11:33 PM |
| 1 | The 7 habits of highly attractive people.All the sexual strategy TRP (which if you look at the sidebar, sexual strategy is the reason for this sub existing just like PUA) promotes is to effectively make others like or desire you. It's just framed in a way to make one believe they are doing it for themselves. It's marketing. If tomorrow women liked supplicating betas then this subreddit would, if it was genuine about its cause, promote being a supplicating beta and all the little anecdotes and rationalizations of why it is good to be al… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/09/15 02:03 PM |
| 1 | Single mothers are delinquent subhuman scum who you should avoid at all costs.Were there signs that she would do this before you got married? If so, did you recognize them as red flags at the time? | /r/TheRedPill | 13/09/15 04:05 PM |
| 1 | Call Me Impatient: If she’s not interested now there’s a chance she never will beBasically showing any negative reaction to her rejecting you. As in, her rejecting you affected your ego. It's pretty fucking pathetic and will probably close that door permanently. Always play it off as no big deal and you have to portray that it is so with your attitude, not words. (Don't say, "It's no big deal" but show closed body language and a hint of disappointment or resentment in your face and/or your tone of voice. SHOW that it's no big deal by remaining open, by being comfortable desp… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/09/15 12:44 PM |
| 1 | Call Me Impatient: If she’s not interested now there’s a chance she never will beWhat does acting "like some butthurt child" mean? Given your approach, do you ever cut contact someone and if so when? | /r/TheRedPill | 08/09/15 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Call Me Impatient: If she’s not interested now there’s a chance she never will beIf women weren't important this sub dedicated to sexual strategy and so many other things wouldn't exist. I know it's a way to rationalize the alpha mentality, but it just doesn't hold for most. Especially a 26 year old virgin like myself. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/09/15 11:41 PM |
| 1 | Call Me Impatient: If she’s not interested now there’s a chance she never will beBy definition, more or less, this must be the case. Working on my SMV though I don't have much confidence that it will do much good. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/09/15 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Call Me Impatient: If she’s not interested now there’s a chance she never will beThank you for your wonderful insights. Now that I know I don't have others approval, I'm sure I will no longer chase and suddenly I will no longer be an incel. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/09/15 11:05 AM |
| 1 | Call Me Impatient: If she’s not interested now there’s a chance she never will beI don't get anyone no matter what I do. I chase a little bit simply because no matter who I go for, it's the same. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/09/15 10:57 AM |
| 7 | Don't let sunken costs sink you too. r/relationships compromises his values because of 11 year LTR and is nearly fucked again.I think forgiveness and boundaries are two completely unrelated things that often get mixed together. Forgiveness is about letting go of the negative feelings you have about an event or a person and is totally internal. Boundaries is about what you let into your life and is concerned with the external. These are two separate processes that people conflate together all the time. In this example, he could have forgiven her as in hold nothing against her, but at the same time set or enforce a bound… | /r/TheRedPill | 05/09/15 03:44 PM |
| 3 | The Fragile Ego: Don't Do What Donny DoesHow is reexplaining something to your friend breaking frame? | /r/TheRedPill | 17/08/15 10:51 PM |
| 1 | Dealing with passive-aggressive people.Couldn't one reframe passive aggressiveness in a similar way as you are framing the gray rock method? Being emotionally neutral as in avoiding the subject, forgetting things, being indirect in order to avoid further drama? Also, are you certain a PA is just doing it for drama? My experience is they do it to try and get certain outcomes or keep people in the dark about certain things. | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/15 07:19 PM |
| 1 | Dealing with passive-aggressive people.Isn't the gray rock method a form passive aggresiveness? | /r/TheRedPill | 16/08/15 09:53 AM |
| 1 | After being asked whether it's easier for girls to get laid, AskWomen responds "Ugh, it doesn't count as sex if he's an unattractive beta!"I acted way too emotionally. She perceived it as weakness and my 'mysterious' image was shattered. Our entire relationship was based on her idea of who I was. When she saw that I wasn't what she thought, it was like I never existed So, quite literally, the relationship was based on a lie? Is there any way to avoid this trap? Or are we as men doomed to always have to put on an attractive front or maintain frame or whatever to constantly keep our women duped and attracted? The rest of what you sai… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/08/15 09:10 PM |
| 2 | After being asked whether it's easier for girls to get laid, AskWomen responds "Ugh, it doesn't count as sex if he's an unattractive beta!"Do you believe that all or most female attraction is based on an illusion? Also, why did breaking up with that 9 break her illusion? | /r/TheRedPill | 13/08/15 06:38 PM |
| 1 | How do I make women not the # 1 thing in my life?Im 26 and I still need to do everything you said. My development in life has been stunted by my issues. | /r/askTRP | 08/07/15 04:13 PM |
| 1 | "I want a man who can be himself, not one of those fake red pillers!"Where the red pill comes in, isn't to tell men that they've gotta conform to our rules. That's not true at all. If it were beta shaming and feminist shaming wouldn't be a thing at all in TRP. If TRP were about merely telling people about it's own perspective, TRP would have a lot more of a tolerant tone and language. Instead, TRP loves to discuss how both of those groups are not only wrong, but inferior and often immoral. Those are shaming tactics, the same kind TRP holds those groups culpable..… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/06/15 06:31 PM |
| 1 | Is the only effective way to deal with LMR to end the interaction?Ok, I will keep these alternatives in mind. Do you have an explanation for why it's counterproductive to talk about the girl's reservations? LMR feels worse than approach anxiety for many girls. Are you saying that the fear a man feels to approach is lesser than the fear a girl feels before having sex with a particular guy for the first time or that the latter is worse than the fear she feels when a guy approaches her at first? | /r/askTRP | 08/06/15 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Is the only effective way to deal with LMR to end the interaction?Why? | /r/askTRP | 07/06/15 11:56 PM |
| 1 | Is the only effective way to deal with LMR to end the interaction?What if she sort of just lays there? Doesn't push you away, but doesn't really give anything back? What do you do then? Also, do you have anything to say about talking about to the girl about her reservations directly? | /r/askTRP | 07/06/15 11:55 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.K, let's just end this pointless discussion here. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/15 01:59 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Um ok. I mean it's like you're telling a starving man "Crying out in hunger pangs is just gonna happen!" I really don't understand your point if you have one. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/15 01:40 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I don't do as much good as some, but I don't behave like these women. I at least have a bit more decency than that and I will credit myself for it even if it's not worth much. The girls are not trying to hurt me in the most literal sense and they are certainly not trying to squash out my weakness in any sense. I can take it as that for my own sake, but what they do is out of pure selfishness. I don't want to get into a debate about whether that is valid or not, I'm just saying it's not considera… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/15 01:03 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Scarcity is a reality for me. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/15 12:59 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Start by asking people to do things for you. Ask wait staff to get you thinks, retail staff to look things up for you, etc. People who are obligated to attend to you. Then make requests of friends and acquaintances. I have absolutely no problems doing those types of things. The only issue is with romantic/sexual rejection with women I'm attracted to. Any other area of socializing (aside from public speaking or very large groups) I'm pretty comfortable if not confident. I used to suck with approa… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/15 12:36 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I suppose, but it's what seems right to me. I'm damned no matter what, it seems. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/04/15 12:05 AM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I don't understand why maintaining frame is what is always talked about here then. It should be gaining frame or something. Once you really have the frame then you're fine like the naturals are. I'll respond your message. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:57 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I'll never respect anyone who acts like this. I even know my mom did something similar to a nice guy she was dating before my dad and I cared about her less when I found out. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:56 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I want to get escorts regularly. They're morally superior to normal girls imo. I don't want to become this sexy guy just for all these unappreciative girls who would once ignore me to be able to enjoy me especially when I'm sure they're ignoring other guys they think are beta while they are with me. They don't deserve it. I'll do it for myself, but it annoys me that they'll get satisfaction from me if they are the kind of girl who thinks it's acceptable to ignore someone for just asking them a q… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:49 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.You're forcing the relationship to die before anything happens, man. They ignore me and you are saying that's nothing?! That's crazy. It's a direct sign of rejection and disrespect. A girl doesn't respond to your text right away? No sweat--maybe she will later, maybe she won't. They never do. I know it's hard to imagine, but that's the situation. My personality always creates rejection. What do you want out of life, brother? Lots of sex, helping people, creating things and being happy is basical… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:48 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Then the problem isn't maintaining frame. It's changing it. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:45 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.An individual controlling their sex life is impossible. It is inherently contingent on others. It's like telling someone to control their social life. How can you do that when every social interaction requires another to consent on some level? | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:45 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.You mean that's the frame you want to have. That doesn't define the concept of frame. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:42 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Yea, I do believe they are wrong and ought to be told. I think the world would be a better place if everyone did that always. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:41 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I'm not autistic, but you're not the first person to ask me that. I wouldn't call myself dark triad as I can be shy, sensitive and very considerate of others, but I do tend to think more and more like a dark triad as I get hurt more and more. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:40 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.They do reject me like I reject their habits. Faster, really since they always do it first. It's easy to say just to ignore everyone who doesn't reciprocate, but I'd be in the same spot as when I call them out. It always happens. No girl every actually follows through. As for doing other things, I can't when I get rejected and say nothing. I basically shut down so I need to closure. I'm trying to improve myself, but nothing is getting me what I want so far. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:39 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I don't agree that all people are of equal value. Some people do way more good than others and thus are worth more. I wouldn't necessarily put myself in that category, but at least I don't hurt people like these girls hurt me. Not going to send a dic pic. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:36 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.You should have sent those texts I think. Everyone should. Then girls would be punished for their behavior and have an incentive to stop. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:35 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I've read the sidebar many times and been in touch with TRP, PUA and the only manosphere for a decade. Hasn't helped shit. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:34 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I'm trying to use my understanding to deal with people better, but to no avail. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:33 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I am acting in self-interest in the sense that I am so severely impacted by this stuff that I can't function. I can't sleep, I can't do study or run errands, so I call them out to end the internal tension. Once I know where things are definitively I can move on. I know it's not socially optimal at all, but breaking down is worse than being isolated. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:32 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Tried all of that and it doesn't work. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Yea, people do it occasionally, but you know when it's been 4 days and 2 short, direct texts asking a singular question that it's them ignoring you. I know they are happy to cut me off and at the point I call them out I am happy to as well. That's what I want a mutual, open understanding of where the relationship is. Yea, I don't mind focusing on the brutality. It's all women every are to me. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:30 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I've been in therapy for years and it doesn't help. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:27 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.My life is not a joke to me. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:27 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Idk how to not take it seriously. To me, the behaviors I mentioned, are among the most disrespectful, uncaring and just plain ugly things you can do within civilized bounds. I wish every girl was severely chastised by every guy they do that stuff to and then the market pressure would be on them to not to that shit. I probably will have a boost in self esteem if I lose it so I'm gonna see about a whore soon. I just don't have money right now. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:27 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Change your attitude. Saying nothing (or texting nothing) is often better than "calling them out". Can't really help it. I can't sleep or function if I leave it hanging without closure. Girls should never feel they are responsible for your feelings/ emotions. This is especially true if you haven't slept with her yet. She will either lose interest, or start to take advantage- both are undesirable outcomes. AWALT I guess. Also, don't let a prostitute be your first. At 26, you're still a young guy.… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:24 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I care a lot if they flake especially as a 26 year old virgin who is basically playing major catch up in all things related to a sex life. I've only kissed one girl. Sure, I can assert this boundary, but I inevitably get ignored no matter what so all I'll be doing is facilitating them rejecting me. Maybe that's all I can do, but it doesn't solve my lack of intimacy issues. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:22 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Is frame just about what other people perceive? | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:20 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I don't agree that sex is something that eventually happens to everyone nor do I agree every woman is just as good in bed as another other one. As for getting another who does text me back, that never happens. Things end up with them ignoring me, usually, within 3 or so texts. And I care about each one even when I have multiple girls I'm interested in. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:20 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Sex is basically the most important thing to me. I'm trying to focus on getting my finance in order and a large part of the motivation to do that is so I can afford escorts regularly. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 11:18 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.What if my frame is desperate and needy? I do like to purposely sabotage things, I suppose. I view it as just forcing the natural conclusion of the relationship rather than leaving things unsaid and somewhat ambiguous. My attempt to polarize. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 10:43 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I don't agree with your solution. I've experienced nothing, but rejection and it's only made me more afraid, withdrawn and sensitive. I have no reason to believe that simply anting up on the exposure will make it go away when in the past it's made it worse. | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 10:41 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Yea, but ideally they would just stop the bad behavior and we can have a positive relationship of some kind. That's the hope at least. As for not taking women seriously at all, they control my sex life as they do for anyone else that is exclusively attracted to them. An entire huge facet of my life is hostage to their whims. And not just sex life, but if I want a family then they will control half of the genetic material my offsprings will have and half (or more given the unfairness of divorce c… | /r/TheRedPill | 08/04/15 10:40 PM |
| 0 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I think what's happening is that in your upset state, you resort to lashing out in frustration by calling them out on their bullshit. Yes, but that doesn't make, imo, invalidate that I believe I'm the right. As a blatant attempt to use guilt as a last resort to change their behavior to your liking. That's not exactly my aim, I think it's more about desperate hope, but even if that's subconsciously that's what it is, I'm not sure I would mind. I've become so jaded with people that I view almost a… | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 07:33 PM |
| 2 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Ah, then I agree and am seeking that out. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 07:29 PM |
| 0 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Don't really have other girls to text. They always fizzle out in a couple of days and there is always one I like more than the rest. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 06:34 PM |
| 2 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Yea, I've been seriously thinking about that. An escort seems like a dream compared to what I face with "good" girls. At least the nature of the transaction will suppress a lot of the AWALT behavior. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 06:30 PM |
| 2 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I've gotten professional help for years. Hasn't done much. Most of the progress I've made has been deciding and implementing things on my own. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 06:26 PM |
| 1 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.I'm definitely not asexual. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 11:54 AM |
| 2 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Calling girls out on bullshit is your defence mechanism because you are terrified of intimacy. I think it's a defense mechanism for rejection. Why do you think it's for intimacy? Embrace a little bullshit & don't be afraid for a girl to take your virginity. I want to lose my virginity BADLY. I'm just not sure how I'm supposed to embrace getting disrespected or rejected. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 11:46 AM |
| -2 | I can't stop myself from calling women out on everything.Yea, part of it is not wanting to. I described why I see it as a positive and the tension being rejection causes me is so intense just as the release calling a girl out is. This emotional pull is stronger than the small logical part of me that says "This doesn't work." I suppose it is my intention. I want them badly. | /r/TheRedPill | 07/04/15 10:38 AM |
| 1 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?Yea, I've been shifting to that sort of mindset, but doesn't really seem to work. I've always thought, after my immature high school years, meeting again was the natural continuation, but girls don't seem interested in continuing anything from their evasive texts or out right ignoring me. | /r/askTRP | 04/04/15 05:20 PM |
| 1 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?I understand what you are saying now. I've literally tried to ask out 100s of girls and got rejected by all of them, but 1 (it doesn't even really count for reasons I won't get into) so it doesn't seem practice is helping me much. | /r/askTRP | 02/04/15 02:31 PM |
| 1 | "You can't love a woman more than she loves herself"I agree that it's a very common cognitive bias. A lot of TRP itself can be boiled down to playing on that cognitive bias alone. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/04/15 01:38 PM |
| 2 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?Yea, you're right. I got it confused. | /r/askTRP | 02/04/15 09:55 AM |
| 1 | "You can't love a woman more than she loves herself"Finding one somewhat rare and non-intrinsically valuable thing doesn't mean there isn't a fallacy at play or that all rare things are valuable. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/04/15 03:11 AM |
| 1 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?Without being emotionally invested myself, I might as well pay for that no? | /r/askTRP | 02/04/15 03:10 AM |
| 1 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?Being less invested / caring less is an underlying mentality to hold, not necessarily something you do. When phrased like this it seems you are always matching the other person rather than allowing yourself to be you or choosing who you are totally. Ideally, you'll both be into each other, but, as a RP man, you grant yourself the freedom to walk away if necessary because you have ability and options. Yes, but one should have that always and the ability to walk away doesn't mean you care less. Yo… | /r/askTRP | 01/04/15 02:27 AM |
| 1 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?So she gains constant butterflies and I gain a degree of protection against oneitis. Seems like it's a better deal for her than for me. | /r/askTRP | 01/04/15 01:13 AM |
| 1 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?kk | /r/askTRP | 31/03/15 11:20 PM |
| 2 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?O wow, your conciseness really persuaded me. | /r/askTRP | 31/03/15 07:15 PM |
| 2 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?It's a weird idea. Seems like I'm an emotional subservient. | /r/askTRP | 31/03/15 05:38 AM |
| -6 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?Many would say so. | /r/askTRP | 31/03/15 05:37 AM |
| -4 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?According to my own. What's wrong with pursuing someone as both a potential friend and a potential lover? | /r/askTRP | 31/03/15 05:36 AM |
| 2 | "You can't love a woman more than she loves herself"That's part of it, but people attribute more value to things that rare regardless of previous investment. It's something else like a "what is rare is valuable" fallacy. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/03/15 05:33 AM |
| 6 | "You can't love a woman more than she loves herself"I've never cared for having something I can't have unless it has some other value I already wanted. I view it as a logical fallacy and an emotional weakness to want something cause it's out of reach. Makes swallowing the pill hard because I innately can't relate. I'm sure there are others like me. | /r/TheRedPill | 31/03/15 12:18 AM |
| -3 | How does one balance "always be escalating" with being less invested or caring less than she does?That's fucked up in a way. | /r/askTRP | 30/03/15 11:48 PM |
| 2 | Rich Athlete Lives A Spartan RP LifestyleThis should be the top voted comment hands down. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/03/15 02:35 AM |
| 0 | Why is supplication so bad?Is supplication necessarily appeasing and groveling? | /r/askTRP | 23/03/15 05:47 PM |
| -1 | Why is supplication so bad?You seem to contradict what TRP says about being aloof and indifferent. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/15 05:22 AM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?Idk if I agree with that. I don't think I am in that bad of a place right now and certainly not bad enough to be so unsuccessful with women. Something in terms of my game is wrong and that's something I don't view as a self improvement becoming dark triad and laconic and all that is just to please women. Doesn't please me. I'll continue to work on myself perhaps like Sisyphus. | /r/askTRP | 15/03/15 02:02 AM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?I am open to that theory being the complete truth, but, like I said, the only thing that will prove it to my psyche on a deep, subconscious level is for me to get a woman. Until that I can't see how I will move on. Sure, I can use my time more productively and become a better man and all that, but I still will feel depressed and everything but women will seem underwhelming. | /r/askTRP | 15/03/15 01:34 AM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?The idea of my desires evening out is scary. Means I will be blase and unhappy for the rest of my days. At least the prospect of women and a few other things adds color and dimension to my world. But even if it's true the only way for me to know it is to experience and thus women are still the most important thing to me even if it's just to have them to prove they are not. | /r/askTRP | 15/03/15 01:18 AM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?I think women assume desperation or confidence more than anything. That's why all the game-y stuff works. People create narratives for the people they meet and women with thier epic hamster abilites do it on overdrive for potential mates. So everything gets sucked into the system as either confident or needy. Attractive or unnattractive. So I don't think it's them detecting it as much as them assuming it. If what you say is true though then I guess I'm in a catch 22. I don't think I'll ever want… | /r/askTRP | 15/03/15 12:43 AM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?I've heard of abundance mentality way before I found TRP or way before I was even in puberty. It exists in almost every self enhancing philosophy one can think of. I understand very easily why believing there is plenty would create an adaptive and positive mindset. I just don't think it's a realistic outlook. Yea, I've been trying to adopt all the things I've read about getting women and being alpha and nothing ever works. I always get rejected or ignored. | /r/askTRP | 15/03/15 12:29 AM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?I don't view being alpha or TRP as an end. The mansophere seems to build this great abstract idol of being alpha, but I don't care for it in and of itself. TRP and being alpha is a means to get what I want socially and that's it. Additionally, I don't think everything TRP says is right and I'm not afraid to question every single part of it that I find dubious including core tenets. The fact that you are asking me why I am questioning the core tenets sounds really cult-ish tbh. "HOW DARE YOU QUES… | /r/askTRP | 14/03/15 11:47 PM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?I didn't ignore your advice. I've been working on all 3 of the specific short term suggestions you made and I've been improving myself like lifting and all that too. Posting here helps me emotionally and intellectually so long as I get some good feedback so I do it. | /r/askTRP | 14/03/15 11:24 PM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?Alright, I'll be posting it on the main in a few days and maybe I'll be shown that I'm completely wrong. | /r/askTRP | 13/03/15 04:34 PM |
| 0 | TRP without abundance mentality?Never mind* | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 09:47 PM |
| 0 | TRP without abundance mentality?By taking it literally we parse out the details. That's important. Not my fault your analogy was subpar. | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 09:43 PM |
| 0 | TRP without abundance mentality?You framed the analogy as to say that the having money gives you options and not having it doesn't. If you wanted to make it about the mentality I think a different analogy would be required. As for trusting you are going to be ok, I guess what we are talking about then is just blind optimism. | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 09:28 PM |
| -1 | TRP without abundance mentality?Your abundance does not come from your beliefs, it's a reflection of yourself. Sure, relying on abundance mentality won't work for you if you're a fat, uninteresting beta. I was talking in terms of the specific hypothetical about money he brought up, but, yea, even then it shows abundance mentality isn't really doing the work. No, the hard work you put into your game and body/mind will provide. Then abundance doesn't really matter. Lastly you seem to have not had a good answer in reference to TR… | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 09:19 PM |
| 1 | TRP without abundance mentality?Why does one need to be so indifferent and uncaring to get women? | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 09:11 PM |
| -1 | TRP without abundance mentality?K | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 08:40 PM |
| 0 | TRP without abundance mentality?In your analogy you talk about a state of reality that is independent of my beliefs. You said "you have 8 months salary saved" and then you juxtapose that with "Now let's say you are behind on rent, overdrawn and hungry kids." Those are 2 different states of reality. One where I actually have money and where I don't. My abundance doesn't come from my beliefs, but from me actually having money or not having money. I could believe the universe is abundant and all that new age bs in the second exam… | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 08:39 PM |
| -2 | TRP without abundance mentality?Stupid and useless comment. | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 08:16 PM |
| 0 | TRP without abundance mentality?I don't think it's possible or good to be always confident and secure. Everyone has moments of weakness and failures and thankfully so. In fact, I would take it a step further and say all in all the world needs more people who are willing to be doubtful in the right ways than anything else. As for the honeybadger thing, I am not happy with my life so I am trying to change it. Abundance mentality keeps coming up in my pursuit of better sexual relations with women and thus happiness, but I think i… | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 11:25 AM |
| -1 | TRP without abundance mentality?Which are those? For example, that whole idea that there are billions of women in the world so getting caught up with one or despairing for a lack of options is irrational. Just because there are billions of humans with vaginas doesn't mean those are effective or desirable options for any individual. Going in detail about how this is true can be tiresome, but just imagine restricting that population of women for the various characteristics one wants and you can see how billions dwindle to thousa… | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 11:22 AM |
| -1 | TRP without abundance mentality?Well, for one, none of the arguments I've ever heard for abundance mentality persuaded me that it's accurate or true. More importantly though, my question was TRP without abundance mentality. Can I assume, since you are trying to reframe this discussion to be out the pros and cons of abundance mentality rather than TRP without it, that you have nothing to offer in terms of what I asked? | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 08:42 AM |
| -2 | TRP without abundance mentality?That's a false dichotomy, but I think often scarcity reflects the world better. Do you have anything to say about TRP without abundance mentality? | /r/askTRP | 12/03/15 08:39 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.You want a hot, kind woman but you are below average? Are you trolling? I know guys who are addicted to porn - hell half of the guys on /nofap are messed up - but they never talk about wanting hot woman. Ok, but I'm talking about. As for killing yourself. Well, you seem like a piece of shit with your entitled manners and your lack of interest in deserving the type of women you want. So who cares. There's plenty of first world trash like you going around. Ok. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 10:21 PM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.Some people live their entire lives struggling just to put food on the table the next day. To say survival isn't a purpose seems to be just a first world bias. It assumes that survival is given. Hell, our ancestors did basically everything at the mercy of nature. That's how all other animals live. And wanting women is not so far from that. Even without that idea though love should fulfill the more abstract and personal ideas of what a proper purpose is. Women rejecting me is essentially preventi… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 10:20 PM |
| 0 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I'm not acting like that all. I'm just saying how severe my pain is. Seems like you are just mad that traveling didn't cure my loneliness or depression or something. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 10:14 PM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Chicks, especially hot chicks can get limitless amounts of guys wanting poon to text her "hey how are you?". It doesnt stand out out say anything about your attitude or your value. It may not stand out in an emotional charged sense, but I think it says a lot about my attitude and values. Shows I want to know about her. If I follow up well it shows I'm a good listener and conversationalist. It shows initiative since I'm reaching out at all which I assume would be in addition to me approaching her… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 10:13 PM |
| 0 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.All things being equal that is true, but there are some broke men who get women consistently and some rich men who can't even with their fortunes going for them. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 10:01 PM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I don't know how good looking I would be if I was transformed to a girl so that it's hard to answer that even on the most superficial level. Outside of looks, I would be willing to date me though. There's not much separating me from what the average person does. I can get a shitty retail job and I'll either average or close to average financially. I think I am more interesting than most people. I don't really care if a girl has a lot of friends or not so that wouldn't effect me about dating myse… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:59 PM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.It's hard to have the motivation to obtain LMS when one is suicidally depressed. life is much more complicated than that Not for everyone. There are as many ways to live life as there are people. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:54 PM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.You sound like a fucking loser that needs to get his act together I do need to get my life in order in a lot of ways. How can you expect to get a 'hot, kind' girl with the info you just gave? Honestly, put yourself in a woman's frame of mind. They read this, it's a turn off. You don't sound interesting. You don't seem ambitious. You don't seem to like the people around you. It sounds like you put pussy on a pedestal, women feed off that shit. It's not like I direct women to my reddit account whe… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:53 PM |
| 0 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.He had a lot of things most people don't have. He had above average intelligence. He had the luck of being born into a time where the Indian independence from Britain was happening which meant there was the opportunity for figures like him to rise. He had a personality that aligned not only with the times, but one that was philosophically and morally inclined. Not everyone has that and not everyone who has that can make use of it. He had to have had some measure of charisma in order for people t… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:44 PM |
| -1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.Your laconic speech style makes productive conversation impossible. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:25 PM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.What stood out to me was that incel posts appear to be, at first, about the individuals so ugly they cannot get sex, period (see the /r/foreveralone post where OP was turned down by a prostitute). This sympathy, by the way, is something which Manosphere types would never extend to hideous women in a million years (and I've seen the obese single mom POF experiment, what I'm talking about is not obesity or red flags but handicaps, certain ugliness, and conditions that would squick out even the men… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:25 PM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I have no idea what you are talking about with being afraid of trapping myself into commitment and having done it for my gamer life or how it has anything to do with my inability to get laid. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:13 AM |
| 0 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I agree, but not all accept $ and that is important. If it's cause of who the person is that's a lot more meaningful and stable than a gold diggers affection. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:11 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I once posted on another subreddit that I wanted someone to have sex with me so I can stop being suicidal. A girl responded and we talked for a bit and she agreed. Of course, she went back on her word cause I'm beta and AWALT, but the short time I thought it was going to happen was the happiest I've been in at least the last 5 years. She knew my flaws and was willing to embrace me sexually without some form of compensation outside of helping and being with me. I was at peace. In fact, I actually… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:09 AM |
| 2 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.incel always implies sex is the topic. I wrote "Truth of who I am is right there in the title. Everything else in life is negotiable to me." meaning the title was the important part. The word incel was just thrown in there as a description. Stop focusing on it. You can: it requires a shit-ton of effort to find a woman on this Earth who's even able. I would say less than 2% of all women alive actually are able. Able to what? Love? Also, what I meant is that you can't pay them a dollar amount espe… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 09:03 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.this hurts to read. Sorry. Just being honest and trying to get some help. your dream girl doesn't want to watch you use your nice pc. She wants to be with someone who makes her seem lame. you don't want to wake up every morning saying "how did i get this girl."You want her to say that about you. A person can change the world with a PC. A person can become rich with a PC. A person can learn encyclopedias worth on a PC. A person can experience all sorts of things through a PC. They are all improba… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:57 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.If I said my goal was to be the world's greatest porn star, would that be a purpose? | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:43 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I've progressed a bit, but no matter what I try it always goes back to this gnawing loneliness that dominates me. Until this is addressed I don't think I will be able to improve myself or self actualize. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:40 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I didn't mention sex in the title. The word incel was put to give the readers a sense of how bad I am with women. What I want from them to want me and want to be with me. You can't pay straight up for that. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:37 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.I agree with what you are saying I just don't think I can do it honestly. I've tried putting working out first for a while and it just doesn't work with me. I think I will try a whore soon. Maybe, that will change things for me. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:34 AM |
| 1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.I've traveled quite a bit in my life. It's nice, but I'm always carrying the loneliness with me. The joy of traveling is belittled by my lack of romantic/sexual success. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:31 AM |
| -2 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.Not everyone can be that successful. Requires a lot of things most people don't have and can't get. Besides, isn't what I want a purpose? To desire, love and fuck women? | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:26 AM |
| 2 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.What you said was poetic and seemed heartfelt and sincere, but I'm not sure what to do with it. It seems extremely biased and superstitious with that whole "learn the stages of death thing". Not to be offensive, but I just really don't connect with what you wrote at all. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:23 AM |
| -1 | All I want in life is a hot, kind girl to want and be with me.Don't need that. Perfectly fine on that stuff. If not more so as I'm always fucking horny. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 08:13 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Why is text an inevitable part of courtship? Unless you're texting"?" And they reply with "!" It doesnt have to be. Use texting for logistics, and learn to push and pull if you must text. Dont text mediocre shit like hey how are you ever again. Ever. Only text if you can play withthem or set up a date. Even texting as you suggest leads me to failure. I know it's hard to imagine someone following TRP advice and not succeeding, but I am living proof of it. Also, I don't really think hey how are yo… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 07:48 AM |
| -2 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Well, you're wrong. Not going to argue cause there's no way to prove it either way. The only part of what you said that is demonstrably wrong is the idea that I just made my account. If you took a couple of seconds to click on my user name you would have seen my account is 11 months old and it's filled with all my problems regarding being an incel. Furthermore, if you cared at all the possibility that I was a real person suffering as I described, you would have at least looked into whether or no… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 07:24 AM |
| -1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.You seem full of excuses as to why you cannot get women yet you are dismissing everything that TRP tells you to do. Then you didn't read carefully enough. Disagreeing or discussing something is not the same as dismissal. . You said you don't even get past the first contact. At the most basic level you are not physically attractive to them. A commenter told you to hit the gym and you declined because you didn't see what you would get from it. Not what I said. I agreed I need to get in shape and w… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 07:17 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.But "I can't get an LTR with an attractive person!" is a much bigger demand than "I can't get laid!" What you want is to be given sex for free, and only a small portion of the male population gets to do that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but incels from what I read aren't really crying "woe is me!" as in "I can't get pussy"--they refuse to buy it--but "woe is me!" as in "I'm not an alpha!" Incels sound desperate but it seems to me that, given that you can pay a professional to give you the same thin… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 07:12 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.I'm working on myself, but without success, especially in this area, life is hardly worth it. Rather just get to the decaying matter part asap. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 04:28 AM |
| -2 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Guys get girls when they dont have jobs. The girls I pursue never get to the point of finding out whether I have a job or not. You make it sound like getting a job is life and nothing else. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 04:26 AM |
| -1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.I agree, but you make it sound like the point of exercising is just to make my problems with women seem less important rather than solving them. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 04:23 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Cause I am suicidally depressed from not having a sex/social life so I'm trying to fix the thing that makes me unable to hold a job in the first place. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 03:16 AM |
| -1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.That makes the inevitable success of all your hard work That.Much.Sweeter. It's not inevitable though. I don't think anything can make up for like a natural who fucks 7-10s since he was 16. I hardly have to will to improve myself at all let alone do all these things. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 03:15 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.I've been thinking about it. I don't really have money or any income nor would I know where to get one though. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 03:13 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.You look like the deviant type so the approach I would imagine would be different. What do you mean by deviant type? Work on a default strategy that is more generalized in dealing with women. Less pinpoint accuracy towards the individual but is still workable especially when there are a lot of unknown variables. Idk how to do this any more than I have. There is an unlimited amount of possibilities out there, the business man and the airport problem What is this problem? Google doesn't reveal muc… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 03:12 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.I wish it were as easy as driving a car. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 03:05 AM |
| 0 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Who are you as a person? What are you passionate about? What do you want out of life, man? It's hard to encapsulate my entire being in a reddit comment. I'm very open minded and interested in a lot of stuff. Multi-faceted, I'd like to think. I actively try to find interest in any subject or person I come across. I think there's at least a little value in everything. I also tend to go deeply into things that really hold my interest. I feel I am held back more by my limitations in intelligence or … | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 02:59 AM |
| 3 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.Celibacy is more complex than just not having penis to vagina penetration. This can easily be seen if one looks at people, like monks, who take vows of celibacy. Do they flirt with people? Do they kiss and date? Generally not. A vow of celibacy is seen as more than just not having sex it's about how one arranges their life and deliberately removing sexual and romantic aspects out of it usually in pursuit of something greater like enlightenment or devotion to a deity. Being an incel is similar, b… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 02:14 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.First , Rejection from women is common, get used to it, I know natural alpha that can pull 10's and they get rejected by 6's If you approach every failure as a measure of what you are than you are going to get depressed. Agreed, but I have been depressed all my life. It's not quite the same. Also, with these natural alphas I'm sure often it's the insecurities of the 6s that makes them reject them. It's one thing to be rejected because you are so desirable they are afraid and feel undeserving and… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 02:07 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.This is a very broad question and it's hard to answer specifically. I generally try to just talk to them like a human being. Just enjoy myself and get to know them. See if we have things in common and if there is chemistry for me to escalate. Generally, I will go for the numbers and text them for a date/hang out, but it almost always fizzles out at that point with them starting to completely ignore me soon after. Never get a first date or hang out. I will be as specific as you want btw I just ne… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 02:03 AM |
| 0 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.We are all dealt with different hands, some are born naturally attractive to women, some have to put some effort in, some a ton in. It sounds like you are the type that needs to put a ton of effort in. I nearly cried just reading this. It implies so much more than just the "go improve yourself" message you are trying to communicate. It says that I am probably physically ugly. It says that there are others that have to do nothing to get what the lack of has caused me to be suicidal for most of my… | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 02:01 AM |
| -1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.I lift on and off. When I have lifted, it didn't do much to help me get girls or ease my mind. Not everyone finds physical activity therapeutic. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 01:53 AM |
| 1 | TRP has given me analysis paralysis.When you approach a girl are they receptive to you? How are we defining receptive? Is it by whether or not they are displaying IOIs? Can you get her number but she ignores your text? This is basically as far as I can ever get. The feedback loop is barely visible on this level. Can't see facial expression or tone, only that they stopped responding. I've read about how to text, but it seems I can't do it yet. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/02/15 01:52 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?That's a fair distinction. | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 02:09 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.I'll take what you said about me into consideration. having a 60-70% close rate from learning a good bit of game is much better than having say a 90% success rate but investing three times the time in learning how to do that. I agree, but I'd consider 60-70% consistent. My question is though how desirable are these girls? If it's 60-70% with 2s it's not that great at all. | /r/TheRedPill | 10/02/15 01:24 PM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?Strawman. I never asserted that being fat represents the same state of SMV as being in shape. I merely said that to simply brush off the fact that I'm an incel because I am not doing 1 singular thing that is only a portion of SMV is nonsensical. To put what you are saying in terms of your analogy it's like "Skinny people get sick less than fat people so get skinny and you won't have X health problem" It simply doesn't work that way. There are too many factors involved with health for it to be th… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 01:21 PM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?I depart from TRP when it comes to the idea spinning plates strongly. I think it's objectifying in way that makes the relationships less enjoyable. Just looking at the language "spinning plates" it's clear that it's about taking the human element out of it. The whole thing about my polyamory thing is to let sex and emotions flow freely. I think the plate strategy is mostly to prevent men from getting hurt. Mine is the exact opposite of viewing women as plates to be spun and deliberately so. At t… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 01:04 PM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?You said yourself you're a 25 year old virgin who can't even get a date with a girl, let alone multiple girls that would be required for polyamory. Yea, this question is more theoretical for me right now. Further, polyamory only benefits the woman, especially in your case. She can sleep with whoever she wants, use your hard-earned resources, and you get nothing in return She's not going to be using any of my hard-earned resources. I'm not even sure what you would mean outside of money and I don'… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 12:58 PM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?Just having read your other replies in this thread I can only assume you're trolling or just don't grasp the basic points of TRP. I'd really suggest you go back and read the sidebar material. I'm asking neutrally to see what each individual has to offer in terms of rationale. Any other conclusion is assumptive and wrong. you're asking advice from people who are mostly here because they made the mistake of wifing up a slut and getting fucked over. Then it's a good way to get a piece of the puzzle… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 10:55 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?Well, the latter 2 things would be something that I eventually would want from someone I seriously get involved with. Why wouldn't they be a good idea? | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 08:39 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?I could describe my features, but I feel that sort of thing never gives the picture. I can make a description of myself that would make me sound like a 9 or one that makes me sound like a 1. What I can say is I'm 5'9 and like 198 lbs. I am, thus, a bit chubby though I am working on getting in shape. I'm actually the lightest now that I've been in almost a year since I decided to start taking care myself a bit better. I've posted my pictures on subreddits asking to rate people on throwaway accoun… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 07:07 AM |
| 2 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?I've been reading the manosphere for years. I know all the theory like it were the back of my hand. Yea, I was thinking about an escort, but I feel pathetic to need that because I can't accomplish this very basic and common human interaction. | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:47 AM |
| 2 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?I'm a 25 yr old virgin, incel. I've tried everything and I can't even get a first date. I'm an extreme outlier so even getting a kiss would be a big deal. Hell, even getting a girl to hang out with me as a friend would have historical significance in my life. | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:35 AM |
| 2 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?This would be ideal, but it's rarer than sluts, I think. | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:25 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?Basically I'm where you're at bud. I don't know what I want but I do know I don't want to be in a LTR right now. I'm currently sleeping with about 5 girls regularly that are on rotation (two live 3 hours away but drive to come see me once a month or so) with a few randoms from Tinder thrown in the mix every once in a while. Unfortunately, we are not at all in the same place. Maybe, we have the same feelings and ideology, but I'm a 25 yr old virgin, incel and I can't get a date if my life depende… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:25 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?why are you investing in something that is inherently fickle? Would you build a foundation on quicksand? Even if you believe in free love, what is your incentive to invest? This question is all theoretical. I am currently a virgin, incel and I have no prospects. I can't get girls on even 1 date ever. I'm mostly asking in developing my perspective and person. I don't want to invest in something fickle though and my incentive is 1. that a slut is more likely to match my high libido and kinkiness a… | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:21 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?My experience with the sluttiest girls is that they usually have the biggest chips on their shoulders. There's usually something wrong with them, which they eventually try to dump on you. I didn't have TRP back then, but knowing what I know now the amount of frame needed to keep them in line is a bit of a headache. Could we say that sluts are actually a test of character? That they are, in a way, tougher to lay and be with than non-sluts? | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:17 AM |
| 2 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?That's very insightful. I'll keep that in mind. | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:16 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?What are the characteristics of these different crazy levels? | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:15 AM |
| 1 | If I'm not interested in monogamy, should I still be cautious about sluts?Definitely don't try to wife them up or anything dumb like that. Why? What would qualify as other dumb things to do with sluts? | /r/askTRP | 10/02/15 06:13 AM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Yes. I was extremely depressed and often suicidal before I lost weight. I never felt that way about 5 months after I started lifting weights. That's very good, but how have things changed externally? I find that people always measure these things in terms if they feel better or what it did for their world view, but I'm more interested in how much your life changed looking from the outside in. Does your new found happiness/confidence translate to having a better social circle? Are you able to pic… | /r/TheRedPill | 09/02/15 12:06 PM |
| 4 | Beta, sexless man from /r/deadbedrooms accidentally discovers dread game and, big surprise, it's working.Being unwilling to admit reality is, generally, unwise and pathetic, but there are times when not exploiting things can be for the greater good. | /r/TheRedPill | 23/01/15 02:05 PM |
| 1 | My woman of one year wrote me a love letter. Very positive, very good... very telling. I have work to do.Why is this a test of beta or alphaness? | /r/TheRedPill | 23/01/15 01:25 AM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?Well, if I have to learn game in order to get rich then I could always just live life poor and sexless or kill myself. | /r/askTRP | 21/01/15 03:54 AM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?I want nothing more to be myself and be as humble as possible so I doubt I will get any where with women any time soon. I can't stand having to alter or compartmentalize my personality just so women get tingles. I'd rather dedicate myself to getting rich and fucking prostitutes for the rest of my life than have to neuter my mind for them. | /r/askTRP | 21/01/15 03:35 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I don't think I have many walls at all. It's other people who seem to have all the walls and ego preventing the from bonding with others. Women are especially guilty of this from a sexual standpoint as they won't even want to be around you if you don't satisfy their hypergamy. They'll just cry "creeper" and the world will be on their side. At the end of the day, it's usually them just putting up walls, but it's ok. As for that video, someone already posted in this chat and I responded as follows… | /r/askTRP | 17/01/15 05:51 PM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?I mentioned I was overweight in a previous post, but the rest of what you said is just assuming. | /r/askTRP | 17/01/15 05:47 PM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?What about dread game, 2/3rds rule, acting cold and aloof, establishing dominance, continuous escalation, dark triad traits, thinking all women as replaceable and disposable, frame control etc.? All of those things I mentioned are not inherently a part of the 3 things you mentioned yet work with women according to TRP. | /r/askTRP | 17/01/15 05:46 PM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?Well, I'm on the precipice of making a decision to forgo learning and applying game for moral and personal reasons so I guess getting in shape will be just for me since I won't have the game to back it up. I will make post it soon if you're interested. | /r/askTRP | 15/01/15 04:15 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Yes and no. I used to be exactly how you describe and I would be lying if I said I don't enjoy deeper interactions more than I enjoy shallow interactions. I have, over the years, learned to adapt to the excessive fluff that exists in most social interactions. I can't say I do it well, but I've gotten more comfortable with it and accepted as a unavoidable part of both socializing in general and of the path to deeper conversations and relationships. Again, all of my posts here are to try and figur… | /r/askTRP | 14/01/15 05:37 PM |
| 1 | To fall in love with anyone, do thisDoesn't this contradict the accepted mansophere maxim that desire is not negotiable? | /r/TheRedPill | 13/01/15 11:53 PM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?I am not asking this question to determine whether I want to start working out or not. I already decided to start doing it. I am trying to diagnose why I'm a 25 yr old virgin incel who women want nothing to do with. | /r/askTRP | 13/01/15 09:56 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?What I said was a demonstration of how I think about statements in conversation and how I like to have conversations. Most people do not share that enthusiasm or interest, in my experience, and that they make themselves willfully boring at the very least. It is also a statement that my experiences have shown people being so closed off so often that they hardly would dare to make such an opinion heard or, when they do express themselves, the justifications and rationales for their beliefs are so … | /r/askTRP | 13/01/15 08:37 PM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?I thought physical attractiveness had a different amount of significance for men and women. | /r/askTRP | 13/01/15 06:55 PM |
| 1 | How important is being in shape for getting women?Seems that the only thing that is essential is game. | /r/askTRP | 13/01/15 06:53 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?That's true, but it doesn't get at the heart of the matter. Broke and unfit guys can get girls hooked on them. I can't even get a date. Something is wrong with that. If I get in shape and even become rich, I may attract women, but it won't be for me. It will be because they enjoy my body and my money whereas the guys who can get it without needing those things are getting them much more for their personality than anything else. Given that, being in shape and rich to get women seems to just set m… | /r/askTRP | 13/01/15 06:51 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?You already know you don't need to be. If you don't NEED to be it then it's not natural. True, but it's fun. Then she knows you're trying too hard. Holding silence takes more power than filling it when you 'naturally' don't feel the 'need' to do it. Trying too hard? Wanting to have fun is trying too hard? Taking the initiative to make it more fun is try hard and weak? Also, what does it matter if holding silence "takes more power"? Isn't the whole point of socializing like this to have fun? Why … | /r/askTRP | 13/01/15 06:44 PM |
| 0 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?And now I know you are in denial. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 11:10 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Maybe your threshold for what is light-hearted and what is serious is off balance? I can pretty much talk about anything, I feel. I get serious if it is an ethical issue or something that is dear to the other person or myself. Other than that I'm chill. Don't speak in a serious way with any woman who is not your LTR. She has done nothing to earn seeing that side of you I don't really get this statement. I don't view my serious side as something someone has to earn. I also don't view getting into… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 11:10 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Never met someone I felt talked a little, but always had something good to say. I've met people who I could tell only wanted to talk when they felt they had something good to say, but the quality is rarely good enough to offset the usual silence and it often comes off as unnatural to me. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 11:05 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Which then leads us back to the original question as I see it. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 10:46 PM |
| 0 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Ad hominem just like the autistic comment. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 10:42 PM |
| 0 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?By accepting that's the price you are buying into the female's frame on a meta level. It's a submissive frame even if it gets you laid. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 10:38 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?My angle, at the very least, is to have fun and establish a connection. Most people wouldn't consider that an angle, but I do. So it was in that sense that I mean I, and others, always do something for something. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 10:36 PM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?That's more or less what I do now and I'm not very popular with women or otherwise. Maybe, there is something else wrong with me than the stoicism issue. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 10:28 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Confused you for the other person, but what I said still applies to the specific thing he mentioned. If his reason to endure shit tests are just cause women have vaginas then that's what he is doing. It's a distinct situation from merely believing women shit test in general. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 10:26 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Well, the thing is a lot of the people who come here are really bad socially and without being explicit about these sorts of things, they'll never improve. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 09:57 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?No, but giving them a free pass does. You are literally saying you allow them to treat you in a certain way you don't find acceptable otherwise simply because they have a vagina. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 09:49 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Well, I could be misattributing my lack of success. All I know is that I am a huge incel and I can't get a date if my life depended upon it. I assume part of the reason is my lack of stoicism, but maybe it's just superficial stuff like not being in shape yet. Either way, this question was more about enjoying it in general than me even though I'm trying to infer things for personal use through it. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 09:36 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I think people test one another subconsciously whether it is a women evaluating a man for emotional strength or, what half of your name made come to mind, a bunch of guys in a frat making other guys go through shit to enter that frat or a bunch of guys poking fun at one another on a typical guys night out. It's a natural part of socializing to want to know that the people you are associating with are mentally fit. People rarely talk about it or think about it consciously as in the frat example. … | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 09:23 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I disagree. I think you could have hours and hours of conversations based on that one sentence you quoted. So many tangents to go on and details to parse out about. On another level though, that statement is just an honest opinion on the people I've interacted with. Maybe, it's a problem with me and I need to work on being less prone to boredom. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:49 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Interesting. I am somewhat similar to you in liking to joke so that I'm an entertaining presence, but I don't feel like I need to be. I am fine being in silence with people I don't know too well. I just enjoy being near others. At the same time, I enjoy exploring all of the details of a person's mind and I get excited off of that as well as making the time we spend together boisterous and fun filled. Sometimes I get a little nervous when a silence comes along with a girl, but more often I just g… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:48 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?The way that TRP uses stoicism is not the same as the old philosophers and, by an even more important extension, the way women feel out for the strength that stoicism gives has little to do with that philosophy. Women want a man that is hard to figure out, that is difficult to arouse emotions in and who doesn't display weaknesses. These are the uses of stoicism that TRP advocates for. It's about not showing the emotions and becoming indifferent to women not about mastery from hedonistic pleasure… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:42 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?You know what, I have the same problem. On one level I do enjoy gaming because I am satisfied when poking fun at a girl works, its like a confirmation that I did it right. The reward is seeing a method work and the successes in a trial and error process. Yes, which is what I believe most of the people here are seeking. For all the talk of outcome independence on TRP, the ultimate rubric comes down to 2 things 1. How attracted women are to a certain behavior and 2. How well behaviors fit into the… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:36 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I have not found it and I believe my primary error is not being stoic in interactions and thus the question. How do you game women without stoicism? | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:26 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?So you give women a free pass in how they can treat cause they are women. Again we go back to the pussy on a pedestal mentality. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:20 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I'm not sure what you mean. Could you explain? | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:13 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I get it. That's why I'm trying to probe here to find a way to find it enjoyable overall. Maybe even find it good. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:10 PM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Ha, yea, I just wanted to emphasis what is gained outside of social gains. I'm not sure if comedy is intrinsic in this example. Are you depending upon the girl to respond in a particular way for it to be funny? | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 08:09 PM |
| 3 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?It makes sense. You just can't mentally separate the effects of a shit test from the actual thing itself. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 03:14 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Up down up down up down, it's one of the funniest most enjoyable things to watch and even better to direct. Why do you find that funny and enjoyable to watch? What is "sas"? | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 03:00 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I enjoy social mastery. That's what being stoic and holding frame grants me. That's a result. Nothing to do with enjoyment of the process. It's not an answer to the question I asked. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:59 AM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?People are adaptable and they also have tendencies and preferences. Besides if you really didn't believe in some form of nature why are you browsing TRP? One of the central premises is that women and men have natures that predisposes them to being attracted to certain things or act in certain ways. If there was no nature everyone would actually be unique like BPers say and there would be no generalized sexual strategy that would work. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:57 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I don't think that definition works. Essentially, that definition can be translated into be yourself without apology and that just doesn't work with women unless you happen to be what they want. A guy will get farther practicing good game than being himself. I've been myself all my life and I'm a 25 yr old virgin. I also think ,in practice, women like stoicism more in the way of not being prone to being emotional which means being indifferent all together rather than not caring that about her di… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:35 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?It's good that you have something that works for you, but that doesn't work for me. Most people are just so fucking boring I feel I need to entertain myself because they can't entertain me. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:30 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I look for pleasure/reward in everything I do and everyone I talk to. If it's not there immediately, I seek it out. I don't think anyone does anything without having some idea of pleasure or reward in mind. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:24 AM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Dude, if you think that you're sacrificing your own enjoyment to get a girl excited, that's your problem. It sounds pretty anti-social too. Behaving like this on dates has only yielded good results for me, and it is something I enjoy doing. They have fun, and I have fun. I am not going to try and convert you. If I don't enjoy the thing that gets a girl excited then I am sacrificing my enjoyment for her sake. It's not some anti-social mindset, but rather a genuine problem of compatibility. We hap… | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:21 AM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?What does that have to do with enjoying passing shit tests for their own sake? | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 02:03 AM |
| 3 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Either one seems to require a certain stoic backdrop. One can't exactly be excited, affectionate or very open with the former frame. Seems necessary to constantly give less and make sure the girl is directly being given an impression that you could walk away. That latter also introduces all sorts of pretentious behavior which I find just as off putting to do, receive or witness. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 01:46 AM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?It's hard for me to imagine anyone who has a personality finding it fun. Most of the guys I see pulling this sort of thing off, in my experience, have nothing or little of interest to say in the first place. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 01:41 AM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?Do you find passing shit tests for their own sake fun? If sex or some other desirable thing wasn't the end prize would you voluntarily socialize with people who continually shit test you constantly just to bounce them? | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 01:38 AM |
| -3 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I'm not going to talk to a woman and sacrifice my enjoyment of the interaction just so they can get tingles. I can't imagine a more "pussy on a pedestal" frame than that. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 01:37 AM |
| 1 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?All of that works to improve my game, but not to enjoy gaming women more. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 01:34 AM |
| 2 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I have similar interests, but I don't find encountering such negative psychological features of humanity amusing. This hold true for me whether we are talking about the irrationality of women or something as insane as religious fundamentalists. In either of those cases, despite how different they are/seem, there's real harm being done and both are annoying to deal with. Even beyond that logical justification, I just don't find it funny on an emotional level. | /r/askTRP | 12/01/15 12:02 AM |
| 3 | What is fun or enjoyable about being stoic in interactions with women?I want to make sure I'm understanding you right. You're saying the enjoyable part is laughing at their games/irrationality? If so, what if you don't find that sort of thing amusing or funny? And I don't necessarily mean that in a "I'm bitter at women" way, but even a "this is boring and dumb" way. | /r/askTRP | 11/01/15 11:18 PM |
| 1 | How has swallowing the pill improved your sex life?Yea, I imagine there would be more discussion if it helped in a noticable way. | /r/askTRP | 09/01/15 05:18 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Care to tell me about your journey? | /r/TheRedPill | 06/01/15 10:56 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.I'll keep at it for a good amount of time. I'm just worried these self improvement steps I am taking will not get me the life I want. I honestly don't know what I'll do if that's the case. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/01/15 09:46 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Yea, you can ctrl + f lift if you want to find it. I have started lifting consistently for about a month. I am working on losing weight omore than gaining muscle mass. I have lost a few pounds, but obviously I need more time to get noticable results. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/01/15 07:46 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.I explicitly say I started lifting weights. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/01/15 03:07 PM |
| 1 | Anyway to get attractive girls consistently without game?The thing is, most of what will attract women is also critical to success in any endeavor involving others. The core of "Game" boils down to being confident, projecting an air of success, being decisive, dominance, abundance mentality and listening intently to others and showing interest/drawing them out. I don't think that's true at all. I think game has similarities with how to get your way with people in general, but I don't think it has anything to do with success in any other field and has … | /r/askTRP | 05/01/15 09:02 PM |
| 1 | Anyway to get attractive girls consistently without game?"Game" is just a word for "acting in a manner that is generally attractive to women." If you want to continue to employ your obviously sub-optimal personality which demonstrates a 100% rejection record, then you can continue to expect similar results. What women find attractive, I find abhorrent, unnatural and unenjoyable to be. I am also plain bad at being it. So 1) Lift 2) Dress well 3) Act in a manner that doesn't repel women, ie. "Game". That IS the shortcut. The only way to shortcut the sho… | /r/askTRP | 05/01/15 06:15 AM |
| 1 | Anyway to get attractive girls consistently without game?Why? | /r/askTRP | 04/01/15 11:55 PM |
| 1 | Anyway to get attractive girls consistently without game?There is no 100% consistency in anything regarding female to male attraction. I have 100% consistency in being rejected. Trying to change that without employing game. | /r/askTRP | 04/01/15 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Anyway to get attractive girls consistently without game?Fuck and/or date. Anyway without paying or using game? | /r/askTRP | 04/01/15 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?My non-verbal communication must have something to do with it, but it's very difficult to analyze that sort of thing. I suppose, I'll have to ask strangers and friends alike like you suggested. I still wonder if it could be more than that though. | /r/askTRP | 04/01/15 09:19 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.I never said at any point that I wasn't going to put the work in. Just because I discuss an anxiety I have doesn't mean I'm going to give up. What I'm thinking about is what happens after the 6 months which to get to I'd have to put in the work. What happens if it's not good enough still? Seems to be an especially valid point given the necessity of game when it comes to women. | /r/TheRedPill | 04/01/15 09:11 PM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?You rationalize, you say it's stupid that it works like that. Those aren't the same things, but I do think how women work is stupid. The subreddit often agrees when it's presented from the perspective of someone who seems alpha. Well, what you're doing ain't working, so how about you take their suggestions on faith? I do, but it's always better to understand. | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 10:45 PM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?you can either dislike it an be bitter or choose to accept it and begin to navigate your way around toward success. I don't think those exhaust the options, but even accepting that dichotomy, I am not sure which to pick. Ideally, I could find something agreeable about the methods one must use to seduce women. This would rid me of the tension arising from who I am and who I want to be. | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 09:55 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.You may not want to hear it but this was me 2 years ago. Have things improved for you drastically? Even if you pan out at a 7 or 8 I fear if I can't even get that high. Once you get momentum going with weight loss everything else will follow in a domino effect. That's what I'm hoping for, but, as you can obviously tell from this post, I have doubts. | /r/TheRedPill | 03/01/15 03:32 AM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?Too interested too early = neediness = not a man of value. What is too much interest and too early? You'd likely benefit by starting at the beginning and learn basic game and the typical progression of an interaction. With TRP I bet you're getting a whole bunch of information but not knowing when or how to properly apply it. This shit is nuanced (and developed with experience). Where can I learn about the typical progression of an interaction? Be very careful with rationalization and try to noti… | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 03:28 AM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?Did you read what I wrote? I didn't disagree with what he said; I commented on how I dislike and don't understand women how he described them. | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 03:25 AM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?They're not interested because you act like a man of low value, which in girl world makes you low value. How am I acting this way? They think you are hitting on them because you are, there's very few reasons for a man to talk to a woman. You don't think you're hitting on them because you're in denial, a common way of coping with rejection to preemptively minimize the blow to your ego which your experiences have taught you will inevitably happen from trying to talk to a woman. Or cause I want to … | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 03:23 AM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?I'm expressing my thoughts on what was said. There's a difference between that and arguing. | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 03:17 AM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?For example, if you're working a bar and just looking for phone numbers using a cold approach, you make your approach, open, chat, go for the name close, then number close ALL within 15 minutes. 20 a the most. And then move on. Always leave them wanting more. Spending more than 20 minutes with a cold approach is too much attention at the first interaction. Sure, but you are talking in terms of time. This reaction that I am describing can happen after the first sentence. A first DATE is different… | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?If I am, I have no idea why. | /r/askTRP | 03/01/15 03:09 AM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.If most people think I am an ugly and a loser then I am one. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 10:27 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.It's illogical unless I am one as most of the world would define me, no? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 10:10 PM |
| 0 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?you're paying too much attention to them and providing too much eye contact. Aren't those generally good, strong conversational skills? | /r/askTRP | 02/01/15 09:54 PM |
| 0 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.You said there are objective things that make what I'm saying illogical and whiny. I am asking you to point them out. If they are there they should be simple to point out. Unless you just don't want to point them out and are rationalizing it by saying I wouldn't be able to get it because I'm too depressed. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:53 PM |
| -1 | Girls are never interested in me and always think I am hitting on them. Why?women can tell if you are interested, so even if you think that you aren't hitting on them, they will think you are. That doesn't really make sense. If they can tell then that means they should know when I'm not. If they always assume a guy is interested because they are giving them some attention then they are actually awful judges and can't actually tell; They just assume from a highly egotistical standpoint. The reason you are doing this is lack of abundance, so unconsciously you seem kind of… | /r/askTRP | 02/01/15 09:52 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Ok, so where's the evidence that I'm illogical? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:42 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.It's because you come across as a bit winey, it is a bit irritating. Why? I feel like I am stating the issues I am having logically without undue emotional exposition. But you don't take a very pragmatic view to the problem, probably because you have fallen into the trap of thinking you're the centre of the universe. I've been there, and fixed it by finding opportunities to do good things for other people. Wouldn't anyone talking about their problems in this level of detail come off self centere… | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:35 PM |
| 2 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.I think what I wrote is very relevant to what this subreddit claims to be about. Seems like people here are just intolerant of certain ways of expressing things. As for seeing something positive, most of the comments have not addressed the specific issue I am writing about so it's hard to gain much. All they seem to see is "He's complaining and needs to act to improve" rather than looking at what I specifically wrote. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:20 PM |
| 2 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.How do you know what I need? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:10 PM |
| 0 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Agreed and I said I was working on that. Did you even read what I wrote? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:09 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Isn't this place all about self improvement and gaining success in the sexual marketplace? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:08 PM |
| 0 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Sometimes, you don't. Sometimes, the opposite is needed. How to tell the difference? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:08 PM |
| 2 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.How did your social life improve as you bettered yourself? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:06 PM |
| 1 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Yea, the people in this subreddit are obsessed with communicating in the meanest way possible. They believe it's motivating. I am already talking to a therapist. I just fear everything will be for nothing and my best self will be revealed as still not being good enough. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:06 PM |
| -2 | I'm terrified I'll always be an ugly, lonely, loser.Most of what you said was stupid rhetoric, but the one statement that caught my eye and that was actually relevant to what I wrote was: "If you were able to speak a second language and were in good shape you would be able to get laid almost effortlessly." How do you know? | /r/TheRedPill | 02/01/15 09:00 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Idk, if it's that simple, but I'll try. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/14 06:48 PM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.I've been lurking MGTOW and RP stuff for awhile on Youtube and here on reddit, and this is the post that finally got me to subscribe, so kudos. Thanks. That makes me think my posts are having some impact when I thought they weren't. I'm going to respond to what you said in a very general way because I think there is a bias in your thinking which, if not addressed, would make any subsequent conversation less meaningful. Basically, I think you have something irrationally against the the concept of… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/14 06:14 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yes, you are right. A person's ego will always make them rationalize things in such a way that minimizes or eliminates flaws and maximizes strengths and value. To go against that is suicide and to go with it is to reaffirm a person's identity. As for whether I care about what women think, that depends on the subject matter and its consequences. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/12/14 05:33 PM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?To address the first half of what you said, I am arrogantly sure that I am a catch in reality. My only doubts seep in because the desires of females seem so irrational that my value is simply not recognized as per examples like this. I mean just look at how much more interesting my texts are to hers. Not saying I'm writing Shakespeare, but it's more lively and intelligent. It's a small example, but an example of nonetheless. What I meant about maintaining a sexual frame is that I think it went c… | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 08:35 PM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?I'll ignore her most likely cause I think it's so rude to not text someone back at all when they ask a question like that. A bit of manners would have allowed her to politely reject the invite. I'm not looking to be anyone's source of validation in the orbiting way. Fuck that. I am having little success and I suspect a major reason is my fitness level. Thing is, this particular girl said point blank soon after I met her that she thought I was good looking so it makes this situation even more cur… | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 06:11 PM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?Exercise will help my mental state, but it's also a prime factor in determining SMV regardless of what people may say. Of all the factors that hold me back, being overweight is the one I believe is hurting me the most. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 06:07 PM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?Yea, I need to up my SMV. It must be really low seeing that I'm 25 yr old virgin cause no girls want him. Really need to work out I guess What do you mean you are not able to maintain sexual frame. Do you see that in me? | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 05:51 AM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?Basically they all go like that only worse. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 04:25 AM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?I have so much seduction stuff memorized. I just don't have the ability to use it beyond an initial meeting. Things never work out for me. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 03:33 AM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?I've met girls in all kinds of environments and the same thing generally happens. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 03:11 AM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?I was unable to isolate in the first bar. It was too crowded, the time was too limited and we were all engaged in a group activity. The second bar would have worked, but she left before I could isolate her. I'll be as detailed as you want, I just don't know what else to include. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 01:58 AM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?Maybe. The problem is this is how things go down with every number I get. There has to be something more to it. | /r/askTRP | 24/11/14 01:21 AM |
| 1 | What am I doing wrong?wow, you had all the opportunity in the world to punk the dude in front of her... tingles... tingles... tingles... Idk what you mean. from her perspective after she left with another guy right in front of you and you are still hitting her up the "lmfao" actually meant "wow youre still talking to me, you just made yourself captain of my orbiters ya know?" The guy wasn't in front of me at any point. He called her, they argued then he came to pick her up and she left. Also, she texted me after she … | /r/askTRP | 22/11/14 11:49 PM |
| 2 | What am I doing wrong?So I ruined my chances because, some how, making a comment about a curious and undesirable event when we met. Making conversation is needy. I can't even fathom that. As for the hang out response, I can see what you are saying, but I just viewed it as a way of just cutting through BS. Possibly even a punishment rather than reward since I'm basically like "You are boring me so much that unless we escalate to a better way of communicating which includes the possibility or something sexual I don't r… | /r/askTRP | 22/11/14 11:21 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?Sorry, but I don't think continuing this conversation will be productive for either of us. Thanks for the advice though. | /r/RedPillWomen | 20/11/14 03:15 AM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?This is simply untrue. You are still conflating women as the end goal with women being there to help a man reach his end goal. They are not one in the same. Those two things are different in category though. The first is about how a man may view the importance of a woman and the second is about how a woman acts of functions in that man's life. If I am making a conflation like you assert, I'll need the second to altered so that it also describes an internal viewpoint I may have. As I read it now,… | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/11/14 05:18 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?That may all be true, but I believe the originally you were trying to demonstrate how I would dislike a woman with stereotypically/misunderstood masculine characteristics. Inherent to my response is that my mind simply doesn't divide the world into men and women with roles they ought to fulfill or traits they ought to have. The only slight exception I have is when it comes to sexual attraction where it's just about whether I find the woman's body (since I'm heterosexual) attractive. After that "… | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/11/14 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?I wouldn't like that sort of person in general. Those are all unattractive qualities, imo, regardless of gender. | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/11/14 06:29 AM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?I did. I figured you would follow the vocabulary I was using. Not take it down a separate road. I understand now and of course they are going to change as their power lessens. But men will sometimes slum for sex even when their power doesn't necessitate it. Women don't have to do this. Fair enough. Lots of different men there for different reasons. There aren't too many who have reached the "I do this for me" stage and then women coming to them is a consequence rather than a goal. My idea is tha… | /r/RedPillWomen | 12/11/14 06:27 AM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?The is not the same as slumming it. Settling and slumming it are not the same. You used the word "slumming" not me. I am describing how standards get lowered for both men and women as power in the sexual market place decreases and how both sexes tend to act in accord with their power to have their sexual and social desires realized. Post history. Yea, it's weird, to me, that you'd put that at the forefront of asking the question. Very simply because women do not find it attractive. Which gets at… | /r/RedPillWomen | 11/11/14 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?No, but like I said it seemed more like you were deflecting by looking at my motivations. I think we're passed that though and it was primarily a misunderstanding since you did mention in your other response how hypergamy has effected you. | /r/RedPillWomen | 11/11/14 05:19 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?Our arousal doesn't require it( (Ultimately). Cougars are looking for validation and a tiny glimpse of the power they once held. Men who slum are typically just looking for sex. It's more than just cougars. It's any women chases men based on adolescent triggers of attraction and either finds herself in a shitty relationship and unable to trade up or single and unable to get a "good" man because her value has started to decrease. And while it may be true a woman's arousal in some sense doesn't re… | /r/RedPillWomen | 11/11/14 05:16 PM |
| 0 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?Maybe. | /r/RedPillWomen | 10/11/14 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?Ok, but control of what we do and hypergamy are two different things. One is a noun and one is a verb. You asked specifically about hype gamy. We are going to assume you are talking about the noun. What we do in response to that noun is not the same thing as hypergamy itself. So, I am still wholly unclear as to what you are searching for. Hypergamy rules our attraction. It does not rule our will. Yes, too often women allow it to, but it's still not the same. They are different and I am talking a… | /r/RedPillWomen | 10/11/14 09:42 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?One can use their imagination. | /r/RedPillWomen | 10/11/14 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?Worse. | /r/RedPillWomen | 10/11/14 07:00 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?The thread you read and this question are related in so much as they both stem from an honest desire to understand and come to terms with the sexual market place. My goal in asking this question specifically is to understand hypergamy from the stance of those who live under it's rules. I have my own opinions on it, but my judgments may be incorrect because I am only ever exposed to it second hand. (meaning that if you can control your will then everyone can do it). First of all this is just plai… | /r/RedPillWomen | 10/11/14 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?What of being hypergamous? | /r/RedPillWomen | 10/11/14 06:34 PM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?There were complaints that my original question was too broad. This is my response to those complaints. The rest I have read and noted. | /r/RedPillWomen | 09/11/14 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Has hypergamy made your romantic life better or worse? Why/How?? | /r/RedPillWomen | 09/11/14 12:56 AM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I just got around to watching this. Good video and I thank you for sharing it. I don't think it negates what I said. He even talks about how given certain parameters a person has the mental tools to set goals which are causal states which can lead to certain outcomes. I've done that exact thing with my imperative as much as I can. Women can too. The problem is they don't at all and we have hypergamy running wild. | /r/TheRedPill | 06/11/14 02:52 AM |
| 1 | Falling in 'love' with an Indian slut. Help."the need to own her completely." Do you want her to be a slave to you or a partner? Your language is certainly possessive. Not surprising you see monogamy as the solution since it's largely society sanctioned jealously and possessiveness. Wouldn't it be better to free yourself of your need to be possessive? Wouldn't that make you more outcome independent? A better, stronger person? | /r/askTRP | 03/11/14 01:15 AM |
| 1 | Falling in 'love' with an Indian slut. Help.Why are you seeking monogamy in the first place? Don't you have a functional and enjoyable relationship right now? | /r/askTRP | 02/11/14 10:58 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.While I'm not going to discourage you from seeking self-improvement, I am going to say that often statements don't reflect an actual lack of value. (Unless you're a complete douchebag, in which case forget I said the following.) The problem come from your lack of perceiving your value. It ties into self-confidence. When you are able to view yourself as valuable, other people will see that in you. After all, if you don't believe in yourself, how can you expect a woman to? Not saying this is easy … | /r/TheRedPill | 02/11/14 08:02 AM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I've already lost patience with you. You can't even understand what I'm writing. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/10/14 05:27 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.The topic was the causes of the pussy pass specifically the typical alpha attitude as expressed on TRP. You mentioned 3 causes in your analysis; I introduced a 4th that had to do with you directly potentially. You evaded talking about that 4th cause by trying to talk about me and making the extremely bizarre claim that me mentioning that factor is me blaming others for my situation. It really doesn't make any sense. We can even talk about both things, but since we were on the pussy pass just fin… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/10/14 04:26 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.K, deflect more. I'm trying to have a real discussion about a specific topi while you are just being yanked around by your ego trying to change the subject and avert blame. I guess this is you trying to control frame or something. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Maybe you just don't want to take responsibility for your part in things nor do you want to admit your analysis is not entirely correct. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 05:30 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Part of the pussy pass is also alphas or supposed alphas, dismissing the shitty behavior of women just because they are women like you did before. You can blame the society and genetics, but if you don't stop the aspects of yourself that support the pussy pass, you are just as bad, in this respect, as the doormat beta males or the ardent feminists. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 04:16 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I'll keep what you said in mind. Thanks. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 04:03 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.My friend, the rules are there to guide you into becoming alpha instead of simply acting alpha. The rules are descriptions of alphas. The rules are NOT alphas. It's like the zen saying "the finger pointing at the moon is not the moon." I understand the intellectual distinction you are making, but... You can act alpha by following the rules, but if you're doing it to be attractive then it will be tainted with the neediness that motivated following the rules in the first place. That's just wrong. … | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.We're animals, but we're not on the same levels of kittens or dogs or whatever animal you want to draw parallels to. We are unique in our cognitive capacities. We are only that way cause we each choose not to use them to their fullest capacity cause there are no inherent consequences to taking the path of least resistance and society allows it. And people thinking as you do help keep the social pressure off. We are responsible for our actions. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 01:45 AM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I mean if I was literally her then I would have no choice, but to be and do everything this imaginary girl would do. If your assertion was that if I was the same gender as her and thus had certain common goals and perspectives would I do the same then I was using myself as an example of someone who despite my male impetus, wouldn't just pump and dump. Therefore, if I can repress my male imperative or deviate from it so can she. Wrong about what? | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 01:40 AM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.How? It's a huge part of any man's life. It's the way that the species gets carried on and determines the quality of what gets carried on. The importance is huge. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 01:36 AM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.You wanted to stop hating women. That's how you go about it. It's the way TRP suggests to stop hating women. People know you're mentally strong when you don't communicate that you're mentally weak. You just introduced a voluntary tell which means it can be gamed. Weak logic, also irrelevant. Women are different, accept it. Understanding evolutionary psychology is how you accept it. My logic trumps yours. You are either can't see why or don't want to see why. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 01:36 AM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.We are actually saying the same thing, but I expressed myself incorrectly. The need of biology and the pressures that formed it are lessening while the cultural factors that would alter the role of biology are also lessening. The result is that in the short term people will act on raw desire like I said or biology, but eventually the biology will change and be less restrictive since there will be no reason or pressure for certain traits to be selected for. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/10/14 01:32 AM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.In the end, it still rationalizes any actions and keeps people from really trying to change the sexual market place. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/14 11:45 PM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.I've read the exchange. I have to say I agree with the other guy though. You don't really offer any substance to your claims. You say, for example, the world is too complex and thus we need emotions to deal with it when we lack the information of cognitive capacities to do so rationally, but I've rarely seen a person's emotions lead them in the right way. Most pitfalls people face are due to emotions taking hold over rationality. This even extends to seduction where being stoic and mysterious ar… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/10/14 11:44 PM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.Yea, I was just trying to improve the philosophy. I'm not sure where this leaves us in terms of our discussion, but that was my aim. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 06:34 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.The reason you hate women is because they are freely doing what they want while you're trying to find out what they want so you can do it. That's slavery right there. Maybe that's part of why I hate them, but the entire sexual marketplace is slavery for men. I mean we can just take Briffault's law alone and see how it's true. Men are at the mercy of women. I act the way I really want to act around women and fail because I'm not alpha. The advice "be yourself" is constantly belittled in this subr… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 06:23 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Women are responsible for their actions. Don't pussy pass this up. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 06:16 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.That's how women act so you can't really hate them for it. They just have very loaded hands to play with. Really? How so? Fuck when you have the chance. The problem is I never get a chance. I agree enough with the rest of what you said. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 06:16 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Try not to take it personal. If you were in her shoes you would be doing the exact same thing. No, I wouldn't. I know that cause I am a man and I don't aim to pump and dump girls. I care about everyone I approach. I'm already different and if I can be so can everyone else. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 06:01 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I'm glad to find a like minded individual. I think we can do more than just work around the current system's confines. We can change it and we should. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 06:00 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.And without any of the sex. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:59 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Life isn't fair. Deal with it. Either whine and moan about it and do nothing, or accept it and find a way to make the unfairness work in your favour. False dichotomy. A person can complain and improve themselves. A person can not complain and accept something to such a depth that they resign to it completely and don't try and change at all. Pro tip: Whining ain't sexy. Stoicism is. I don't want to be stoic just cause it's sexy. Every man should aspire to be the best he can be. You can accept you… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:58 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I didn't say be interesting, I said find it interesting. I imagine the end goal is to seem interesting and attractive to the woman, no? It was with with that in mind that I wrote what I did. You don't have to communicate it to them. You just need to be strong, and your actions will speak for you. I don't believe that. I think the entire reason "game" exists at all is because of the overwhelming need for people to communicate correctly that they are desirable. It evolved for a reason. It's not wo… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:52 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.That's wonderful. I hope to have your luck. My advice to you? Read some No More Mr Nice Guy, Double Your Dating and other David DeAngelo stuff, and Doc Love's syndicated articles (and you'd possibly benefit from his book, even considering how poorly it's written). Then go on some dates and see if these women meet your standards. I'll look into these. Thanks for the suggestions. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:44 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Again you prove your tendency to hasty judgments. You seem to believe the only reason a person dislikes something is cause it harms them. A rich person can hate the effects of poverty and a system which causes it unnecessarily just as a player can hate the aspects of women which cause less attractive men to suffer. Not all moral sentiments are reduced to whether something is a personal asset or liability. Furthermore, you assume that how I speak here is the same as how I speak in RL. It's not tr… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:43 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Part of what AWALT is what you are saying. Another part is something more akin to a pussy pass. It is the latter that I object vehemently to. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:38 PM |
| 1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I can do all of those things and it will not effect the sexual marketplace nor do they have anything to do with directly getting girls. It's just the vague idea that increasing SMV will increase success with women. I could do all those things and just be a buff, artistic and altruistic beta that women don't take seriously. I mean aside from lifting, there's no way any of the countless women I've approached over the years would know if I could play an instrument or if I volunteer or not. Also, a … | /r/TheRedPill | 27/10/14 05:03 PM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.Your dichotomy is correct, but the sidebar link and the way that argument is used her is definitely talking about actions not just knowledge. The sidebar link title is not "Knowledge of Sexual Strategy is amoral" it's "Sexual Strategy is amoral" and if you read it he's clearly talking about actions. Furthermore, that argument is often used as a way of justifying actions not just ideas. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 11:08 PM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.As long as a man has the ability to father 10 kids in a week while a woman carries the burden of pregnancy and caring for the infant, the market dynamic is not going to change. The way the market is is dictated by biology. This is a half truth. The marketplace got to the place it is not because of biology, there is no doubt about that. The thing that you are not considering is as technology gets better and laws become more "progressive" the role of biology is becoming lesser and lesser. Sex is b… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 10:55 PM |
| 2 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I think that the basic thing that is missing from your worldview is the axiom that complaining about the unwritten rules of male/female interactions is unproductive and your time is better spent working within these rules, making the best out of the cards you have been dealt. I mean that's a shortcut to dealing with this, but it doesn't actually improve anything. Real change with these dynamics will happen through communication like this. It's not like real change isn't possible either. Feminism… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 09:13 AM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Shit testing - it's an interesting challenge, rise to it. It's annoying too, but you can focus on the interesting part. Use it as an opportunity to sharpen your wit. Yea, but I kind of suck at that. I'm pretty plain and boring when compared to what women want. You should have mental strength anyway - this is one of the points where do it for yourself and the women will come is true. Why complain about a woman's desire for something you should want for yourself anyway? Yes, I want to be strong me… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 09:08 AM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.Doesn't quite work that way for me. I do like them. That's why I hate them. That's why the rejection hurts. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 09:03 AM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.maximise looks money and status and start winning the stuff you want and stop loosing your patience/mental resources/time none of those things directly relate to women but if you master those than women will start coming like they always do. This will attract gold diggers and shallow women. Make me a prime target for divorce rape or actual fake rape charges or whatever since she won't respect or really want me. Only game, as far as I can tell, makes the woman's attraction real. Only game makes h… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 09:02 AM |
| -1 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.So long as your goal is to attract women, you're going to fail. This is exactly what I talk about in the 4th paragraph. What kind of bs deal is it that they can be obsessive about a guy and get validated for that, but if we are obsessive about them we are done? Make your goal to be personal improvement. Let go of the desire to attract females. Make your entire purpose be the best man that you can be. lift, read, work, learn. Invest in yourself. I feel a bit uncomfortable with you saying what my … | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 09:00 AM |
| -2 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.You don't know enough about me to say all that. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:54 AM |
| 0 | Help me stop hating women and start attracting them.I feel the same way often. I wish I had something useful to say, but I'm in the same boat and just as lost. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:54 AM |
| 2 | Sexual strategy is moral.Why does maximizing happiness for society equal morality? That's a complex question, but a short answer is that it doesn't have to. It's just one of many possible models for morality. What if there's just a minority of moral people (which does seem to be the case)? I agree though it also depends on your definition of someone being moral. I think though often you find by maximizing happiness you increase happiness for that minority especially since they will, above all other kinds of people, enjo… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:53 AM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.I can appreciate that model as a temporary persuasive device and an occasional mental model for limited practical concerns. That is not, however, how it is used here. TRP encourages men to become psychopaths in a lot of indirect and direct ways and a lot of people, from my observations, are not smart enough to see anything behind the dogma here. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:47 AM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.I agree with what you are saying, but I think mankind has made moral progress and will continue to even at it's snail like pace. Promoting a moral message matters and has an effect. Studies show the vast majority of the populace believe they are in the top ten percent capacity wise. What studies do you refer to? | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:46 AM |
| 1 | Sexual strategy is moral.Even Dawkins openly admits that living a society under natures terms would be terrible. He explains how nature operates, but recognizes human societies should diverge from that moral reasons. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:43 AM |
| 2 | Sexual strategy is moral.Sexual strategy is amoral in the sense that evolution is amoral, mother nature doesn't care how you spread your genes as long as you do it. Mother nature doesn't care whether or not their are humans or not. If that is our only rubric, we could just as easily all commit suicide tomorrow as a species. So while I understand what you mean, we need more than just the direct consequences that the universe confers to guide our actions. We have a vested interest in maintaining ourselves through evolutio… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/10/14 08:42 AM |
| 2 | Beta man to Obama: 'Don't touch my girlfriend'How is that guy beta at all? Sure, Obama one upped with the comment, but as another commenter wrote, he had the balls not only to say it, but to be himself in a lighthearted even challenging manner in front of another man way the hell above him in social status. | /r/TheRedPill | 22/10/14 03:18 AM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?Well, it's even more interesting because now it seems you optimized between trying to get her to be sexual and upholding some TRP standard. You talk about not wanting to be friend zoned and her potentially coming back to you because girls that attractive never get treated like that, but that just proves my point that this is all about how women respond to you. And if it's not about women then, tell me, why you are acting as you do at all? Why be like a historical man? What benefits do you refer … | /r/askTRP | 20/10/14 03:22 AM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?I think TRP's way is just to internalize it's own contradictory aspects so much that you end up doing exactly what women want, but not thinking that's not why you are doing it. Sort of how a girl dresses slutty and says it's for herself. Most people come here seeking advice on how to be successful with women after all. Even this post is asking for the approval of those who know how the game works. The limitus test of all this would be if RP methods didn't work or had BP results would you still d… | /r/askTRP | 19/10/14 09:17 PM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?You have no opinion on what I said on the fearlessness vs dominance thing? Interesting that the top voted comment on this thread is that she'll contact you in a day or 2. It's been 3 days since the original post of the other thread. I'd like to know if she does contact though. Would be interesting to see the efficacy of your methods. | /r/askTRP | 19/10/14 02:19 AM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?Yes, incorporate some fearlessness into your life. It's sexy to all women. Maybe the idea that nothing scares you promises them safety, cause you'll go balls out to defend them if need be. Could be that it's also dominance. You're not afraid so you dominate anything without worrying about whether you're hurting feeeeelings. I am fine with fearlessness, but I am not fine with dominance. There's a big difference between the 2. Dominance is about asserting power, sometimes for its own sake, over ot… | /r/askTRP | 18/10/14 11:04 PM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?I meant if OP was acting like the girl and the girl was acting like OP, I would be against the girl. Your first comment was implying that I am taking the woman's side blindly and I am saying my position is the same regardless of gender. | /r/askTRP | 18/10/14 10:30 PM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?I understand what you are saying, but why be with a girl that likes alpha thug at all? Also, are you implying all women want an alpha thug or all men (or maybe just me) need to incorporate some alpha thug in order to get women? As for that specific girl, like I said, she seems like an insecure and not particularly ethical person. A taste for alpha thug makes sense. | /r/askTRP | 18/10/14 06:19 PM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?I do understand shit tests, but thanks for the recap. Well, number 1 is very subjective. Personally, I wouldn't mind going shopping in some circumstances, but given what you wanted you didn't cave. As for number 2, I find it an odd point. On the one hand, I can see what you are getting at. Part of it is just a reiteration of number 1 as that as you not wanting to go is why it has no benefit to you. If, for example, you found this mall a desirable place to be for whatever reason then it would ben… | /r/askTRP | 18/10/14 07:23 AM |
| 1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?If the roles were reversed I'd say the same thing son. | /r/askTRP | 18/10/14 06:37 AM |
| 0 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?It's more about the how and why rather than the what. The what is boundary setting which happens in all relationships and is fine. Boundary setting can happen before, after or even during something disagreeable. The why though definitely does seem like fear as far as I can see. You are not just denying her requests, you are giving her reason to believe the relationship is over if she hangs out with you and doesn't have sex with you, among other things. That seems a tad bit much even to someone a… | /r/askTRP | 18/10/14 12:28 AM |
| -1 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?You've offered a lot of information that no one who read your initial posts were privy too. I think the people who concluded she was a gold digger before knowing what you just shared jumped the gun. They arrived at the right conclusion via prejudice and careless filling in of the gaps rather than proper deliberation. I can now see why you feel the way you do. Still, I have a few things to say that may offer a bit of an alternative perspective. 1) If she doesn't want the relationship to be all ab… | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 11:29 PM |
| -2 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?If I'm so wrong, I'm sure OP will be able to easily refute me. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 03:30 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I already agreed to that. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 03:27 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?The value a woman is seeking is always the man who does not give up his resources because he's too strong to be robbed by a parasite (her). That's top-level value. According to her, I can, unfortunately, agree with. Women's standards do not define all ideas of what value is though. They may for sexual interactions (which is what I'm here to learn and master admittedly), but not for everything. That's just one framework luckily. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 03:01 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Ok. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 02:59 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I mean there is something to be said about not wasting time and energy. I can agree with that much. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 02:45 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?If an orbiter can be used at all that means he has some value. He may have low self esteem which can extend to allowing himself to be used, but self esteem is not all the value a person can have. I think you are conflating how people perceive others to be valuable and what value is in and of itself. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 02:44 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Yea, this whole conversation is arguing semantics. I just think you are too rigid to see it. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 02:42 AM |
| -2 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?I did read it. It's not necessarily the case she's using you for money or wants to. In reality, she seems to have only propositioned indirectly that you give her access to it which is, even then, is not the same as using for it. She had sex with you before you gave her dime after all. It's also possible, especially given how she acted during the movie hang out, she wants your attention regardless of whether you 2 have sex or you give her money. So her propositioning to go shopping with her may, … | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 02:38 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Value is only relative for some things. Most value is physics & chemistry, things that can't change with belief. Nothing I label with value changes because it's built that way with atoms & molecules. We're talking about humans and specifically socializing not atoms and molecules. Things change when you go from atoms to humans. I mean nature as in EVERYTHING ever to exist now, past & future. I mean sure I can't disagree with what you said then, but it's meaningless statement then. It's like sayin… | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 02:06 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?You might also just be a narcissist. Just saying. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 01:55 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?No. They do this with every detail of every action forever. When they want information to figure this out & it isn't available they'll invent / imagine to fill the gaps (hamstering). I, unfortunately, agree with this. Essentially, you are describing them as creatures of judgment and assumption. Those are ugly and unattractive traits. At least to me. I've never DJed I was merely using those 2 things as an example. The point is that some things, topically, are more valuable to women than others. W… | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 01:54 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Value is relative. In order for you to even ascertain if something is valuable you need to have a person or object which will be benefited and a thing that will cause the benefit. You also need a clear definition of what it means to benefit that person or object. Thus, you create a frame work in this way to assess what is beneficial and what is not. As you get into the details of that analysis you will find that things you label as valuable change as well. Thus, it is relative. As for your natur… | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 01:51 AM |
| -7 | UPDATE 1: New plate asked to take her shopping, how is my response?How is his behavior at all attractive to another human being? It seems like this girl has some mega insecurity problems and he's using them against her. | /r/askTRP | 17/10/14 01:34 AM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Where would you suggest I go? | /r/TheRedPill | 16/10/14 07:27 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?if what you are has nothing of value then yes, appear the opposite. I don't think anyone has truly nothing of value. And value is always relative. What is valuable to one is worthless to another. Some guys are meant to lose and the rest of us do very well because they lose. That's how life is built, that is the proper way life functions. This is the natural way of things. Natural doesn't necessarily mean good or proper. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 07:27 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Sounds like you're doing things wrong on purpose to complain about it. If what you want is failure it seems you got a plan figured out. Run, climb, lift. DO IT and stop telling yourself you can't, won't or that you "just don't like it". I'm exercising, but I'm not going to pretend that I'm doing it because I care about far I can run or anything like that. I am doing it to get laid, to look good (which mostly falls under the previous reason) and cause the health benefits will make my life better.… | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 07:25 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I'm sure you believe that. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 07:14 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?That lie is that women have real value, that they can be trusted (never) and that my life is better with them always in it (lie) and to do that I should make them happy (lies). I don't believe in any of those things and I am still unhappy because of failures with women. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:23 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I'll look into that subreddit. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:22 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?You should seem, at first glance as if you already have a girlfriend or just had a lot of great dates. So I should seem the exact opposite of what I am? Some guys are meant to always lose. If you're one of them that's too bad. If I knew 100% that was the case for me, I'd kill myself tonight. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:21 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?That's a pretty low-bar goal. For you. We all have different value systems. You should be wanting to improve your health, your looks, your income, where you live, your ability to lift, run, climb, and skills. I don't care about how fast or long I can run, what I can and can't climb and how much weight I can lift. I don't care about material things so money isn't a big deal to me though I'd like to have enough of it to live comfortably. I don't care about my looks in and of themselves because wha… | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:20 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?You don't understand why I said that consent part. It wasn't a criticism of the specific suggestion for prostitution, but one of his overall thought process and framework. I see a man saying he loves failure and crying about it. I see zero in you that is even trying to do it right. Zero. Frankly, I don't give a shit about what you see. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:15 AM |
| 0 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I've not decided to give up completely and people who post here do it on their own free will. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:14 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Cool story. | /r/askTRP | 16/10/14 05:13 AM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.So what your horny... Learn to use your sexual energy to do more with your life. It's called sexual transmutation. Might as well become a monk? It is that easy because ultimately you need to be your own best friend before it all. Your most likely going to die lonely. If your lucky only your family really cares and loves you for who you are. The rest like you for what value you have for them. If you can love yourself and who you are rejection won't matter. If you want to fuck women. Meet lots of … | /r/TheRedPill | 16/10/14 05:12 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Looks trump everything but they are given, not earned so it's pointless to worry about it like height/race. What if I am not good looking enough to achieve what I want to achieve socially or sexually? you aren't getting dates then change your approaches. Online dating (coffee meets bagel is my favorite), go to meetup groups, social sports (I strongly recommend), salsa dancing class, etc. I've tried online dating. I fail harder there than in RL. I've been trying to find meet ups. Money is an issu… | /r/askTRP | 15/10/14 09:24 PM |
| 0 | Why is being verbose unattractive?I used verbose on purpose. | /r/askTRP | 15/10/14 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Well ultimately the opinion you have of yourself is more important. More important than what? You can either beat yourself up for a women not finding you attractive or you can decide it just doesn't matter that much. Not that simple. It's not like my libido and the heart pangs of loneliness go away just by me wishing them to. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/10/14 07:43 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I do get numbers, but they go no where. I can never get a date or even a friend. I don't agree that complaining makes one less of a man. I'm sure in the eyes of others it does, but I think it's a natural part of how people cope and deal with things. As for going MGTOW, that's giving up basically. | /r/askTRP | 15/10/14 07:42 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I don't go on dates and I agree with your dissection of the causes. I have not been working out long enough or consistently enough to change my body. I am working proactively to improve my body though. The only caveat is that it seems there are guy who are not attractive who are able to get dates and all that. How do explain that? | /r/askTRP | 15/10/14 07:34 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Wow, your rudeness really inspired me to work on myself... To respond to the only meaningful part of what you've said, I've read the sidebar multiple times, have read many articles and watched many videos on many websites about this stuff, looked into or read all the books suggested to me by this subreddit and other similar sources and I've approached using all the ideas I've come across in the manosphere to varying degrees. All of this has been going on for years and nothing changes. So let me … | /r/askTRP | 15/10/14 05:18 PM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I took it and have the results. What do you want to know? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/10/14 02:15 AM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.The answer to all 3 of those questions is "it depends". I'm sure despite my inexperience there are some girls I could give orgasms to and some I can't. I can make women laugh and others find me unimpressive. If the girl dated someone that looked like me then yes. If not, no. A women will be attracted to you for a number of reasons. Know this and instead of trying to attract women and avoiding rejection, give women the space to be attracted to you. Don't play this game from a losing place. Play t… | /r/TheRedPill | 15/10/14 02:08 AM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I can't. That's the problem. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/10/14 02:04 AM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Can we drop the powertalk and speak plainly? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/10/14 02:04 AM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Can you explain the mechanisms by which all this happens? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/10/14 02:03 AM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.What you just said sounds religious. There's nothing about the laws of the universe that says having an inner calmness will lead to women coming. Unless you believe in some The Secret stuff. . If you reject internal improvement you can't expect to be successful in life or happy when alone. The whole point is not to be alone. Happiness and success are not the point. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 11:24 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Well, that's not the case here. Do you have alternative view? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Men are such a large group that one can't accurately say for sure what any one man is like. You can make generalities, but you can't say all men do not have personality, psychological and neurological configurations and that make them predisposed to things like neediness or depression or low confidence or sensitivity in general. This is just a basic fact of statistics. And, to concede some what to your point, I wouldn't be so needy if I actually got some female affection, but I don't. It seems i… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 11:23 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.That doesn't make any sense at all lol and it can be proven with a single question: What is my reality is one of scarcity? Then being desperate and needy are the corresponding emotions to that situation. Sure, I could be stoic or not, but that's simply a matter if me not feeling the scarcity. Doesn't mean it's not there. Your whole feminist/TRP thing is just absurd. I guess you're worried if I were to do something that RP would be damaged and are trying to make my ideas seem rejected. Which is o… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 11:20 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.He's being used that way, but if enough men were willing to do what he did then there would be a counterbalance to hypergamy the way their used to be in more traditional societies. If no man tolerated hypergamy, things would change. It wouldn't even have to be violent. If every man walked away totally from any woman who threw even the slightest shit test then they wouldn't be any more shit tests. We are subservient, as is, to the demands of women and red pill is just glorified slavery to their w… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 11:16 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Well, you called me a troll which implies that I'm saying all of this for lulz or something. So if that's what you think I am, something about what I said made you think that I'm not sincere in what I'm saying. Or you took offense and calling me a troll is a deflection. That's what I was thinking. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 06:37 PM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I'd prefer the latter to the former honestly. MGTOW is just giving up. At least the latter was an act of rebellion. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 06:34 PM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.What's creepy about desperation and neediness? Creepy has to be more than just not being attracted to someone. It's being off put in some way. What's so bad about weakness? We are all weak in some way and in some time. Why can't these women grow up and realize that's true and that we're all humans in search of similar things in the end? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 06:34 PM |
| 0 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Sorry if I offended you. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I'm working on it like I said. I don't necessarily want a magic bullet. I don't think going out on 1 date, for instance, is a magic bullet. It's just a small success showing I'm on the right path. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I've been doing a lot to change. You are just assuming I'm doing nothing. The payout isn't there yet and my mind is deteriorating because of that. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 06:20 PM |
| 0 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Yea, those numbers are absurdly bad, no offense. Fuck that sort of life. For me at least. This is my first year, so I'm new as well. I've had those same thoughts as you, and the only thing you can do is fight them. Be stronger than them. If you let them get to you, you'll either get incredibly depressed or go on a rampage. Yea, hopefully you'll improve. I'm already depressed. I hope I don't go on a rampage. Game is tough when you aren't really attractive. I'm 5'9 and have pretty average looks. I… | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 06:19 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I don't think I have 6 months. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:54 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.What if I kill myself before 6 months? What if I need a quicker solution? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:51 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.You don't get what I'm saying. To me, all interactions are the same. They're just words and gestures being exchanged. I don't see why, for example, a confident combination of words and gesture makes women horny and a depressive combination makes them run. To me, both people need affection and, if they try and connect with someone, they are seeking that out and that's all that matters. The intent behind the actions. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:50 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I'm becoming one, or I die. I want it that bad. This is my attitude with sex. Why aren't I getting sex? My SMV will be reaching elite levels in a couple of years. I'm trying to make my SMV rise. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:48 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I'll probably end up doing something crazy with the path I'm on. I can't take much more rejection. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:46 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.What does creepy even mean? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:45 PM |
| 0 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Yea, they want alpha and social status. The latter being completely meaningless to me and the former being what I'm not. I'm only interested in having either to those things cause women want them. I couldn't care less about how well I maintain frame in the eyes of others or how popular I am if sex wasn't at stake. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:34 PM |
| -2 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.You sound like a religious zealot. Only your religion is TRP rather than something like Judaism. The basic idea of what you are saying, as far as I can tell, is to just be happy with myself and stop depending on women. I'm not interested in enlightenment. I'm interested in how to get laid. I lift 3 times a week and do cardio 3 times a week too. So I exercise 6 times a week. Whether I'm literally a psychopath isn't really the point. The point is I'm going mad. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:31 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?10 a day and what would happen? | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 05:18 PM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I want to fuck as many women as possible in my life without having to pay for it. That's the goal I'm putting 110% toward. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 05:15 PM |
| 1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I don't have any basis to judge what works and what doesn't. I'm practically autistic. To me, almost all interaction is just the same. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 07:06 AM |
| -3 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.My god. You have all that and still get rejected. I should just kill myself now. Women are never happy unless you break this stupid hypergamy code. I swear to fucking god. What the fuck is going on in thier minds? I'm 25. I have no recollection of how many times. The days feel like a blur to me. My brain is atrophying from the incel induced depression I think. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:59 AM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Then why are you upset that they do not? It really doesn't make sense. You took what I said out of context. Would you have a rage attack because the sky is not red? Would you get upset because day after day you look out the window and the sky is blue each day? Does it make sense to do that? Idk. Depends. Maybe, the sky being red is all I want in life. Wouldn't make sense, but it could be. If you are lazy and want a girl to desire you without putting in the work to make yourself desirable, come o… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:52 AM |
| -4 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.You sound like just another beta boy Elliot Rodgers type gearing up for a murder suicide deal. That's getting really old by now. Seriously it's getting boring. We don't encourage that here. Lol. P.S: I'm curious what your therapist is talking about. My mother got an advanced Psychology Degree and I've read much of it and discussed through her second hand and in most cases it's Feminist Blue Pill logic. (Carl Jung). So you will likely get the same Feminist stuff from your therapist as from societ… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:10 AM |
| -4 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Why should she date you? What are you bringing to the table? Myself. I don't know what else to say because women's desires are so bizzare. Why are women rejecting you? I have no fucking idea. I guess they are not attracted to me. What kind of women are you asking out? Any kind I find attractive. What are you doing and how are you trying to improve yourself. I'm learning new stuff, trying to lift, working on my psychological strength and trying to get a job. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:05 AM |
| -4 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.Everything that you are doing, you are doing for other people. I'm doing it for me. I want the women for myself not for others. Learning what to do to get them is ulitmately selfish. If you can't handle rejection, then stop approaching until you get your shit together. I can't stand being alone either really. Go hire a prostitute and find out how much pussy is worth. I'm going to be doing that soon I think. . Go read the sidebar link about Goals, then read the top comment on that post. I've read… | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 05:03 AM |
| -2 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.People keep asking me that and I have no idea how to answer that. I could offer everything except one thing and that one thing is what they want. To ask point blank what I offer seems so random. The irrationality of what they want is an often talked about thing throughout human history. Why don't you tell me what you think they want and then I'll tell you if I match it? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 04:26 AM |
| 0 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I've found sympathy. There's plenty of it. I've also found things to learn and learned. There's plenty of that too. You have no idea what you are talking about. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 04:16 AM |
| -2 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.So being a player is not me cause women reject me and if I was Zen like about accepting myself that wouldn't matter? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 03:18 AM |
| -2 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I'm glad you have a healthy way of dealing with rejection. I can't say the same for myself. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 03:10 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?People are not in controls of our lives that much. I am trying, but things are getting bad. I've often contemplated suicide cause of this issue. I try to get rid of those thoughts, but they keep coming back every time I get rejected. Despite how much I read about seduction, how much I try to apply in the field and the effort I put into self improvement, I am making no changes. There's no excuses here. Just continuous failure. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 03:08 AM |
| 0 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?That's good advice, but I don't know how to apply it. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 02:56 AM |
| 0 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?Those are depressing numbers. I've read that book. It was good, but I've had no success since I've read it. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 02:55 AM |
| -1 | Rejection is making me a psychopath.I've tried to internalize these things. The problem is my libido is so powerful I can't even think often. I become like an animal that just wants to satisfy himself. Nothing else matters then. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/10/14 02:55 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I fail at everything that comes to women. I maybe get a number. That's as good as it gets. I don't know how many women I've approached in the the last month. Maybe 5. I am getting rejected, but it's breaking my psyche. I don't know how else to describe it. I'm not becoming more resistant. I'm just becoming more unstable. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 02:53 AM |
| 1 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I don't believe I have the fortitude to keep trying. My most recent post should shed light on it. | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 02:51 AM |
| -2 | How does one have confidence with women specifically with a lifetime of constant rejections?I should rape too right? Consent is just another barrier right? | /r/askTRP | 14/10/14 12:28 AM |
| 1 | Be A Closed BookYou seem to be assuming the reason to share is to impress. What of it's simply to bond? | /r/TheRedPill | 09/10/14 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Be A Closed BookA question: I understand why being a closed book would work on women and the psychological pings it causes. I don't understand how there is a logical connection between being high value and not sharing things about yourself. Those seem like 2 distinct things especially for someone like me who does not generally withhold information from people. | /r/TheRedPill | 09/10/14 08:50 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?I agree completely and even tried to convince one of them that putting me down will just make things worked. They didn't care, rationalized their behavior away by saying that by telling them that was just an extension of me blaming others which, according to them, is the root of my problem with women. They can't seem to imagine a world where a person is genuinely good and just doesn't have their social needs met. It's pathetic and crazy, but that's the mind of these self appointed moralists, I s… | /r/askTRP | 07/10/14 04:05 AM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?What hope is there for someone like me given your definition of being alpha? If all strong internal beliefs and high external success do not make an alpha an alpha than how does one become one? As for how I've been treated in other threads, if it of course evil. They don't see it that way though, I'm sure. People tend to think if someone is morally wrong from their perspective, then they deserve to be treated in any way even if it's cruel, demeaning and hurtful. | /r/askTRP | 07/10/14 04:01 AM |
| 2 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?I'm 25 and a virgin. I think I will visit a whore soon. Idk, what to say other than you really get it. You're one of the few people who seems to get it. As for the advice I'm given, I don't think a lot of the advice that people suggest is wrong, but there are cases of people who do it all and still fail with women. I keep posting here because I'm convinced they are not getting at the heart of the thing? I'd like it if you PMed me and we could talk a bit more. Idc, if you don't have advice. You v… | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 04:40 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?Yea, that's probably why I always fail no matter how alpha I act. It's like there is this impenetrable wall between the girl and I. It's especially obvious when they are comfortable and having fun when things a platonic, but as soon as an sexual possibility opens up they clam up and run. | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 04:33 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?Is this what you are talking about? http://therationalmale.com/2011/10/20/alpha/ | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 04:32 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?I'll check that book out. I want women for me. Anything I do to attract them is ultimately so that I can enjoy it. And I'm not looking for love. I'm looking to be attractive. | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 04:30 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?I agree with you. Where should I go to get advice on what I'm talking about? What should I read? | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 04:15 AM |
| 2 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?Idk if I agree. I think people are too stupid and judgmental to know an alpha unless they explicitly show it. I mean, that's the implicit idea behind all game. You have to demonstrate that you are preselected by women, that you are busy and that you can walk away at any time. It's not enough to be those things you have to show it in the right way. Otherwise, she won't be attracted. | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 04:14 AM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?Those 2 sentences do not necessarily support each other. Attraction could not be a choice and be mostly about looks in which case it is both not a choice and can't be achieved for most women given those combinations. Furthermore, and more on topic, if it's simply about having some skills associated with unlocking attraction in a woman, doesn't that prove that game is more important that being "alpha"? | /r/askTRP | 06/10/14 12:42 AM |
| 0 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?Not according to this sub. | /r/askTRP | 05/10/14 11:47 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?Anyway, your example shows that being alpha is more surefire than pretending to be(game). My example, to me, proves the exact opposite. From what I know of both people's lives, Mr. Rogers was far superior in terms of inner game than Clooney (we can get into why I think that if it's necessary). Yet, Clooney is far more of a sex symbol than Mr. Rogers ever was. Something must account for this and that something, imo, must be much more central to what actually attracts women than a lot of the ideas… | /r/askTRP | 05/10/14 11:06 PM |
| 1 | Isn't game more important to getting women than being alpha?I think it's more that people have disagreeing views on what an alpha male is (or if it even exists at all) rather than misunderstanding. I've read many writings about alpha males and some people define alphas as something having nothing to do with women and sex aren't or define it in such a way that one could easily remove women and sex and still fit in to that definition. I am, for the sake of our discussion, willing to just go along with your definition. Now, given your definition, why is it … | /r/askTRP | 05/10/14 11:03 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.True, but that's very rare unlike when approaching non-prostitutes. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/10/14 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Respect is earnedAn alternative is removing monogamy from the equation. Then no one needs to be chosen over any one else. | /r/TheRedPill | 02/10/14 12:21 AM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?Night and day, eh? Well, I could use sunshine in the cold, dark, lonely place I am in right now. | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 08:23 PM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?I live with my parents, I don't work and I struggle with being consistent in lifting. | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 07:18 PM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?I'm not looking for a shortcut. I just want to be certain I'm on the right path. | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?Got it. | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 06:12 PM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Thank you for your comment. Those subreddits are useful. I will take everything you've said into consideration. I won't give up yet. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/10/14 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?I don't want proof of identity, it's just that it seems all the people who reach out end up telling me they have little to no experience, yet they are telling me all these things I should be doing. How would they know if they aren't successful? I just want to hear some things from people who actually get women. I have a good theoretical understanding of TRP, but I struggle emotionally with it. I want to be beta as fuck and get women. It's partly a rebellious streak in me and partly an inability … | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 02:15 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I don't know. I can't say much more than that. I'll think about it. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/10/14 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?I'm willing to take any suggestions you are willing to offer. | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 01:50 AM |
| 1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?Simple and agreeable steps. I'll start being more serious in each of these aspects. | /r/askTRP | 01/10/14 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Thank you for your candid and constructive advice. I will work on the things you mention so long as I have the fortitude and hope in a good life. | /r/TheRedPill | 01/10/14 01:44 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Thank you for your comment. I will reply to only the parts I have something to ask about, but know that I have taken in everything you've said including the list of books that I will read eventually. Make your needs a priorities over others. This may seem selfish but you need to remind yourself that nobody will make this a priority but you. This doesn't make you a selfish, sociopathic douche. This makes you a rational human fucking being. I'm ok with being selfish, but one thing that bothers me … | /r/TheRedPill | 01/10/14 01:43 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?That was a very nice article and I agree with most of it. Yet, in the back of my mind, I kept thinking "how is this compatible with getting women?" How can a man get a woman when he is so content he doesn't care to be dominant? Women crave, it seems, the unnecessary dominance and conflict an alpha brings. I can't imagine a happy man acting like a psychopathic alpha because he'd want to be happy and spread that happiness if possible. And I know the article is about being happy and not women, but … | /r/TheRedPill | 01/10/14 01:26 AM |
| -2 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?Advice is a form of help. | /r/askTRP | 30/09/14 06:35 PM |
| -3 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?And now it's a threat. This is incredible. | /r/askTRP | 30/09/14 06:34 PM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Maintaining numerous plates is grueling work. Read Roosh's Bang and Day Bang Guides and you'll see what I mean. Think of why so many PUAs write and publish books.... It's so that they can have a passive income to support them while they focus solely on fucking chicks. Pick Up is literally their full time job. And even those guys can have dry periods and face overwhelming rejection. It's so stupid that it's such hard work imo. We all want human connection. WHY MAKE IT SO DIFFICULT? The vast major… | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:49 PM |
| -6 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?Yea, avoid the part about you deflecting and then deflect again. I guess this is just another example of someone trying to maintain frame even though they're wrong in every way imaginable. | /r/askTRP | 30/09/14 05:31 PM |
| -1 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?I'm a troll cause I'm asking for high SMV males to help me. Interesting. As for your advice, yes, that could be a way to solve it, but it seems that's just a way to jump around the sexual marketplace in the place I happen to live (New York) rather than conquer it. Do you have advice on how to conquer this sexual marketplace? | /r/askTRP | 30/09/14 05:24 PM |
| 2 | Any high SMV males willing to help an incel?So it begins... Every time I ask for people here to actually state some form of qualifications there is always an evasive or deflecting response. It's logical for me to seek someone who actually knows what they are doing with women to help me. And just to respond to your advice directly, I've been in counseling for years. If you really took a good look at my history you'd see I've mentioned that to the many people who have already suggested that. | /r/askTRP | 30/09/14 05:16 PM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I was thinking of doing exactly what you mention in terms of prostitution. I have no delusions of being with one girl or anything like that. I just want there to always be an attractive girl wanting me near by. As for the preparing my anus thing, it's just another way being an incel is complete trash. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:07 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.True. I didn't mean to seem like I was lashing out at you. The idea just got me heated. In the end, you are correct and, like always, one must adapt to the world. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 07:03 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?It's all about women to me. I'd die happy if I had love and sex. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 06:04 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I've tried fighting for some time. It's exhausting. I want to be able to enjoy life or die. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 06:02 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I feel MGTOW would be running away more from my failures with women and being an incel more than suicide. I will still check out those talks though. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 06:00 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Questioning one piece of advice does not mean I refuse to change and refuse to be helped. That's a huge and incorrect logical leap. I think I am the sort of person who needs external validation. So I appreciate the desire to help and the perspective, but I also think in this case that advice won't work for me. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:57 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Yea, lifting is good advice. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:54 AM |
| 0 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Women are everything to me. Being a porn star would be wonderful, I think. I don't care I just want to feel their bodies next to mine and feel wanted. But I'm an incel. It's just the opposite. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:52 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I am seeing a doc and was taking meds. What I have and am isn't enough. Primarily cause I am an incel. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:51 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?He is inspiring. Thank you. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I hope so. Thanks for the inspiration. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:50 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Thank you for at least accepting suicide as an option. You are right. I need to explore the world first. Maybe, some where out there, there is something good for me. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:48 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Respectfully, I can't take your word on that philosophical stance. I will try to be courageous. I will try. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:47 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?Ha, technically it would. It would not end the pain though which is the real problem. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:39 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?No thanks on the military suggestion. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?I'm not looking for TRP to make the decision per se. Just looking for additional input. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 02:42 AM |
| 1 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?It's an interesting thing when people say someone doesn't need anything in the external world to validate them. Why don't people just sit and watch paint dry all day and feel happy as fuck if the external world is so superfluous to one's existence? | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 02:41 AM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yea, I def need to work on my mindset and confidence. It sucks. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 02:16 AM |
| 3 | Should I kill myself or try and become an alpha?If there are no rewards or good in being courageous, yes. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 01:47 AM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I've been rejected I think 300 times in my life. So, yea. I could use more approaching though. I could improve my body and my game. I am getting to work on them. | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 12:25 AM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I like and agree with almost everything you said, but I think it's a bit too idealistic. How can someone do this or be like this all the time? | /r/TheRedPill | 30/09/14 12:23 AM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I will read it again for sure. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 11:41 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.It's not a case of allowing. There are bits in your brain that make you feel what other people are feeling. You can to an extent control your reaction, with that meditation for example, but you can never fully escape it. Ok, that makes sense, but I don't see how that makes a person completely not care about logic and just go on the underlying emotions of the interactions. It just doesn't make sense to me. There are different flavours of conversation. Logical discussion can generally only be had … | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 11:10 PM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Well, I'm certainly not at that point yet so I do need to improve. One question: What do you do if you are just lonely general? Like you have no friends and all that? We all need some human contact and without it we break down. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:46 PM |
| 3 | I'm addicted to straight talk.You can't reason a person out of a position that they weren't reasoned into. Most lies are some kind of avoidance mechanism. For most people feels > logic. Ugh, that's true. I hate it, but it's true. I think I need to make another thread asking for techniques that someone is logical to an almost autistic point can use to understand, influence and get along with a world that is driven in such a different way. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:45 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.In this case, you cannot change the mindset of people, does that mean you should severe all ties to interacting with others? YES. Well, no, but it can make enjoying moments and establishing bonds difficult. That's why I'm here I guess. To learn and cope with all these things. I think it's silly to expect people to think on a similar wavelength. Acknowledge it, but don't let it affect you is the modus operandi for 99% of the cases. I agree. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:43 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yea, I thought you would show how I could use powertalk to get a better outcome. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:41 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.That's so harsh and illogical. Awkward people are just, well, awkward. There are a whole range of reasons that a person can be awkward that don't mean there's something wrong with them. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:40 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I see no contradiction between what I offered as the definition of frame and what the other person did. I don't get what I'm not getting. I will re-read though. Look at how I interact and try to analyze it. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:36 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I can't say that I disagree with the first sentence. Power and the will to power determines everything. I can see how power talk is in harmony with that, but I don't think I can agree it's the truth. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:30 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.That first link really opened my eyes. This whole time I've been trying to mimic psychopath game. It's not me as you say. I'm certainly a ingenopath. I agree with the rest of what you are saying well. Are you an ingenopath as well? Do you have any suggestions or additional resources to adapt to this world? Maybe, we can PM? | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 10:25 PM |
| 3 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I am happy and laid back at all times except when I get rejected, feel lonely or see something immoral or untruthful going on. It's just that those 4 things happen so often that I am never that happy. It's almost comical when put like that. But I hate the hedonism of this world. Maybe, I am just indoctrinated and need to let go. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 07:01 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I'll check out the book. Thanks. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:59 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I don't think I ever really break frame then. I explain to no end and am rational to no end, but I've rarely ever let anyone take advantage of me. People have hurt me with their rejection, but about it. Yet, I'm sure people perceive me of being weak and in practice my ability to control the frame of any conversation is non-existent. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:55 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yes, I need to learn to be stronger and resist the urge to be so open, direct and honest. I guess, there's just no escaping being indifferent. It's just the way we must be. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:53 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yea, you're right. It is a beta mindset akin to captain-save-a-ho. I never looked at it like that. I need to eliminate it. I know of her philosophy, but I'll look into it more. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:50 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.What happens if no one wants to engage with you on a serious level? If no one cares? What then? | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:49 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Unfortunately, this is the truth. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:48 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Idk man. I've tried so many different approaches and philosophies and they all end up with me being rejected. Idk what to believe or do. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:46 PM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Powertalk is talking in the subtext, not lying. Understand the difference. People hide in subtext for a reason. Usually, it's completely selfish, petty and potentially hurtful. I don't respect it. Keeping plausible deniability is the core of powertalk. You suggest something in the subtext using language, facial expression, body language, emotional state etc. which is too "risky" to state plainly in straighttalk. Basically you push the boundaries of the interaction while keeping safety through pl… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:44 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I am happy with my moral outlook. I am miserable with my social life. I am trying to bring the latter up while maintain the former. If I can just get some real friends and lovers in my life, I'll be happy as I can be. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 06:15 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I think my straight talk dream is noble and desirable in every way. I am willing to be a hypocrite in actions, but not in my heart. I will not denounce what I know is right internally just cause it's not practical. | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 05:58 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.This straight-talk obsession is the desire for Truth. It forms the basis of your ideal world. Yes. It's nice to understood so well. You have to have some success socially to understand how you can implicate your ideals and adapt the procedure along the way. Let the ways of social adaptation. This will take you into power-talk, into doing things in what you may perceive as the 'wrong' way, but do understand that you are experimenting. Then you can decide from a social position of how to expose Tr… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 05:31 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I agree with what you are saying about me. I want to be good though I think you think I want so I can get approval rather than me wanting it on my own. I also agree very much with the last 2 paragraphs for the most part. The only thing I disagree in is that morality is characterized by an internal locus of control; One can be very in control of oneself and still be sadistic, for instance. As for your suggestion of me being experimental in my morality, I've sort of been through that phase already… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 04:19 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I have no understanding of context when it comes to frame so when you so it depends while it may be honest and accurate, I don't know what to do with it. I read that article. Seems like it has some good tips on practical/tangible ways of improving social dominance. I don't agree with all of it like not smiling (though he probably means don't excessively smile or something) or getting a skull ring, but a lot of it is solid like eye contact and the quote you mentioned. And as for what you added ab… | /r/TheRedPill | 29/09/14 04:13 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I see. So help those who want to be helped. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 09:52 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I lack that skill. I always try to inform and correct. I figure if I talk it out long enough with someone then eventually we'll have to reach a point of agreement or one of us will be revealed as a fool or ideologue and either way the debate must end. The former because truth has been found (at least as far as the people can perceive) and the latter because any debate had now been rendered pointless. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 09:51 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Ok, this happened to me this morning. I was supposed to meet a girl this morning to hook up and she didn't respond to my text yesterday. We meet on a sex chat site. Today I called her out on being a flake and she said she wasn't one cause she woke up late and then I offered to meet up later with no response. Use that example at any point. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 09:42 PM |
| -1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.This is where you call on their bullshit because it affects you and what you stand for. Its your frame. It seems frame could replaced with the word interest in this sentence and, extrapolating from that and the examples, self interest and how a certain thing effects it is what determines breaking frame vs not breaking frame. Would this be correct? | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 09:40 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.You don't need to pretend not to want them, you just have to learn how to communicate that desire in a subtle and indirect way. It gives you the plausible deniability you need for the advance to be socially acceptable, without requiring you to lie about anything. She will know what's going on, you will know what's going on, but none of you have actually said it with words. Why is it necessary to fall within the bounds of what is socially acceptable? Wouldn't the most effective way to break those… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 09:34 PM |
| -1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yes, I think your comment is quite on the mark. A good mixture of potentially being able to be honest and at the same time not alienated. I've read and own the book you suggested and it did have some impact on me. Perhaps, it's time to re-read it. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 09:29 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.That's very interesting. Could you give an example of that sort of over the top power talk. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:55 PM |
| -1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yep, I agree. I just suck at it. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:54 PM |
| -1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Yea, I can see that. I've become more sadistic over the years though in truth I want to do good. My sadism is purely an adaption to the pain I've endured and I would brush it off completely if I could just get what I want. I'll check out that book too | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:53 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Well, I agree with what you are saying. I just think the primary aspect of frame is emotional state and the perception of that state. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:48 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Is calling someone out breaking frame? | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:47 PM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I actually don't think women are worth it. I am convinced one must sell one's soul to be attractive to an attractive woman. Just the fact that one needs to pretend like one doesn't want them already makes the entire interaction based on a lie. If I can't slober over a woman and still be considered a mate then it's all BS in my book. I am considering going to whores for the rest of my life to deal with the physical urges, but keep my soul intact. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:46 PM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.And you would be. However, what about the world leads you to believe people follow the people who are right, rather than the people who can perpetuate the image of being right? O nothing. I just want the actual truth to win and I try to proceed with that agenda. Which is the goal of power-talk anyway. My power over others gives me power over you in the grand scheme of things. What do you think happened to the people who called Stalin out on his bullshit? As long as I have tools to carry out my d… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:43 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I don't agree with your diagnosis, as it were, but I'll check out the book. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:15 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.It's not insincere if you are genuinely interested. Do you think it's insincere to ask someone about the weather? Do you find it insincere to discuss sports or local happenings when you don't care? Do you find it insincere to ask someone about their children or interests? No I don't think it's insincere in general, but I do think it's insincere when you are doing those things in lieu of saying something more relevant to a more important conversation. The motives aren't inherent manipulation (tho… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:14 PM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Oh my god dude, have you been diagnosed with some form of autism? I don't mean that negatively. I am not autistic. I've been to plenty of psychs and that never came up. I am different in a way though clearly. I understand sticking to your principles, but for your own sake, sometimes, you have to be flexible. Yes, that's why I am posting this. I am trying to change. "You know, gravity is a social construct, it's only because of the patriarchy that things fall down, so that men can remind women th… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 05:09 PM |
| 6 | I'm addicted to straight talk.Word up. There are just so few especially when it comes to women. Women seem to practically thrive off of lies and being lied to. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 04:59 PM |
| 1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.It is called "frame", because you can imagine that everyone is carrying this picture frame around with them. People are always in a frame to other people, and they can choose to step into someone else's frame, ie let the other person direct the atmosphere. It is not just you, but how you project yourself, in fact, mostly the latter. Ok, so how's that so different from what I said about sticking to your guns and projecting that emotionally? At best you slightly expanded the definition of frame ra… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 04:52 PM |
| -2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I mean I can accept that analogy because ultimately that's the reality of how people work. I have to accept that analogy cause anything else is just sticking to my clearly ineffectual framework. I just don't think I'll ever understand why frame matters to people AT ALL. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 04:41 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.See? I wasn't even trying to maintain any kind of frame, and yet you respond with that. Now, if we were in any kind of social situation, this would be the time for me to maintain frame and then you'd just look like an insecure, presumptuous idiot. I'd be able to take total control of the situation from there. Yes, I would LOOK that way, but I think I would be totally right. Even if everyone thought I was a terrible person and wrong. So you maintain frame would have no effect on me. It's effect w… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 04:34 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.If you believe that, then they were doing it right. Lmao. Like you trying to remain frame with what you are saying now with such a nonsensical statement? I'm not too sure what emotions have to do with it. Keep in mind, they may not even be maintaining frame for you, but rather anyone else that may be witnessing the conversation. That's what frame is in my mind. Sticking to your guns as expressed by your emotional affect as opposed to words and explanations. Am I wrong? Same way you get good at a… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 04:13 PM |
| -1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I view that as a lying by omission. I think it's very sneaky to play in the way you are saying and ultimately insincere at the very least in affect. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 04:02 PM |
| -6 | I'm addicted to straight talk.And this will instantly take you out of a position of power. They don't care if you call out bullshit. All they have to do is maintain frame and then you are the one who ends up looking like a dick or a moron. Well, that's because other people think frame means something. To me, frame is meaningless. It's never had an affect on me. I don't care how persistent someone is in their emotional affect, if I'm right, I'm right. So I'm a bit different from most people in this respect. People will power-… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 03:59 PM |
| 0 | I'm addicted to straight talk.How do I become comfortable with that idea? Like so comfortable that I can swim in that fishbowl and seem just like a fish to anyone who perceives, but still spread the truth? | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 03:57 PM |
| -1 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I agree a lot with this, but the problem is then it seems to lead to everyone having to go fuck themselves and to me being alone. And I being human and having social needs, I can't be so principled. People go mad without some kind of positive social contact. So the principle needs to be balanced by practicality. | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 03:49 PM |
| 2 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I agree with your utilitarian based conclusion. In the end, given how the world is, I'm just shooting myself in the foot for people who don't appreciate or want truth. I just can't understand how lying will help produce a more honest world. It's kind of like fucking for virginity, you know? | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 03:17 PM |
| 5 | I'm addicted to straight talk.I don't really agree it's a matter of self confidence. I care about whether the person is wrong because I care about people and the truth. If I can demonstrate to the person and persuade them differently then that's one more person with the truth in their mind and heart and there are hardly more beautiful things than that. And I am totally self confident in the view that the world would be a better place if people abandoned their pretty lies. I do agree with the rest of what you are saying simpl… | /r/TheRedPill | 28/09/14 03:09 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.Yea, I'm working on. I'll get there if I don't kill myself beforehand I suppose. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 10:48 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.That's sort of depressing. It's like men have no power in the situation and are at the mercy of getting IOI's. I agree investment in myself is what I need. Though I this makes me think whores are the answer even more. Whores don't really say no. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 08:45 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I will get a dog soon. I need some happiness in my life anyone before I do something crazy. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 06:39 PM |
| 0 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.You're changing the subject. We were talking about feeding them attention. Now you changed to investment in myself. Those are 2 distinct things. I could be the most perfect alpha I could be in terms of lifting and social status and still feed them attention as my game. It could also be the opposite. The 2 are just different. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 06:36 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.Idk about the not hating women. Even if I become good there's still what they did to me and what they've do to all betas and omegas. And, yea, I view indifference as a fucking crime. Idc if no one owes me anything. Indifference still creates a shitty world whether I'm owed more or not. I'll check that program out. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 06:35 PM |
| 2 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I agree with everything you've said. It doesn't make me hate them any less at all. In fact, it makes my hate grow cause all they are is a collection of selfish, cowardly, close minded, social hive minded bitches. As for becoming a man, I just don't care about that label. I view things that a person should be regardless of gender and aspire to them. That's also why I don't give the cunts a free pass. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 06:33 PM |
| 2 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.This is one of those rare things in life that escape you the more you chase. Girls just fucking smell it -- they smell the neediness, they smell your desire to bed them and get disgusted by it. Well, at least you are admitting that the core reason one can't pursue women in this way is simply because they don't like it. That it exist at odds with so many other things in this life where being directly persistent and desirous is rewarded. And I find that disgusting in women. They will deny the peop… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 08:03 AM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I think I will get a pet. I've always wanted a dog and I know it has therapeutic effects and it may help with women, I suppose. I was thinking of a golden retriever. I'm just skeptical a bit it will truly end up in being successful with women. Plenty of people get pets and suck with romance despite me seeing and agreeing with your logic. I do want my dark world to be brightened. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 07:54 AM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I am seeking yeses. I am seeking freedom. I am seeking the ability to experience as many sorts of relationships as possible and then choosing which when I want based on having experiencing them and thus truly knowing them. The power to choose my destiny rather than have it chosen for me in the form of a girl ignoring my text or flaking on me. I've had a massage. It's ok. I usually fall asleep. It's not intimate or sexual so I'd consider it very different from what I'm looking for. I understand w… | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 07:51 AM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.Well, there you go. It's all about altering who I am to satisfy them. | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 12:53 AM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.Sorry bro. Its a skill you need to learn if you want to be successful at it. Calling it a "sham" and tossing your hands up in surrender doesn't solve your problems. Why is it skill based at all? That's what I'm trying to get at. Why isn't it all just given freely? Yes, men and women do meet online. Unless you are in the top 5% in the looks department, you wont be meeting anyone. I am a good looking fucking dude and I don't do well online because I'm not the right type of good looking. Shit, you … | /r/TheRedPill | 27/09/14 12:10 AM |
| 0 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I was born with a libido that is aroused by women. I didn't make it so. Why should I ignore them? | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 11:17 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I will check that book out. Thanks. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 08:16 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I'll keep this in mind. Thanks. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 08:15 PM |
| 2 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.You'll be surprised of what kind of Man you become as soon as you have a strong goal in your life. If you have no direction, it's only natural that you'd turn depressed and needy of femaleness. My strongest goal is to fuck and connect with as many attractive women as possible. I have others, but this is my prime focus now. It seems any goal that depends on women being attracted oneself is discounted here. I'm tellin ya man, the Natural path is the way to go. No memorizing, no dishonesty, no bull… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 08:15 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.Thank your detailed comment and for defending me against that troll when I wasn't here to do so myself. It takes practice. Lots of it, and you're gonna fail. My thoughts on the idea that it takes practice to successfully seduce women are torn. On the one hand I think "Yea, sure that makes sense." Got to work hard for what you want and all that jazz. On the other hand, it annoys and even disgusts me. Why are these women so prone to rejecting most men? (I know hypergamy, blah blah blah, I'm asking… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 07:54 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I'm not sure what a different doc would do. They all say pretty much the same stuff. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 06:28 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I am working on those things that you have mentioned. I'm taking baby steps. Right now I am working on consistently incorporating the lifting part and reading more material to expand my mind in terms of PUA stuff and everything else. I'll look into the books you mentioned. I also try to approach women more and more. The finance stuff is something I can't get a grip on right now. I'm not in a proper state of mind to get and maintain a job nor go to school or anything. When I'm ready, I'll deal wi… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 06:12 PM |
| 3 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.First of all, it's a numbers game. Like the lottery. You just got to keep playing. You've got to learn to deal with rejection. You're going to get it. If you approach 100 women, you might get one in bed. That's just the Vegas odds. Accept it. Let the rejection roll off your back. This depresses me a lot. So much rejection a man needs to face. And each of those 99 rejections represent a yes from the woman's perspective. A validation of her sexual value. What kind of fucked up, lonely reality is t… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 06:07 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I don't feel on the right though. I just feel loneliness and a rotting sense of my incompetence in the face of women's unceasing rejection to me. I know intellectual these are the steps toward betterment, but I feel nothing but bitterness. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 06:02 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I'm both working on myself and hating women. I can't drop the latter. It's just who I am now. I can't really lower my standards any more. I've already went through the lowering phase. It didn't help.Of course, neither of those things are totally set in stone, but right now I can do nothing more to make me dislike women less or lower my standards. I do appreciate the advice and comment though. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 06:00 PM |
| 2 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I REALLY relate to what you are saying. This is almost exactly how I feel. The only difference is, I do enjoy getting to know women and sometimes they can be interesting (just as sometimes men can be interesting or not), but I don't like having to do all that as a sort of upfront emotional deposit for sex. When I see a girl I'm attracted to the first thing I want to do is drain my balls of cum. To put myself forward in any other regard is dishonesty. And I genuinely would like to get to know her… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:58 PM |
| 2 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I started hitting the gym. We'll see where it takes me. I do see men who are not in shape getting women though so I am skeptical to this advice as a general fix all. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:46 PM |
| 0 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.Women are the problem, but I can't change their nature so I have to adapt. I view the need to fix myself as a practicality issue not the real cause of all this. If women weren't so emotionally and hamster, driven the world would be a better place imo. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:46 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I have seen psychiatrists, have taken anti-depressants and I've started lifting and dieting again. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:44 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.If I had non stop supply of sex and affection from women, I'd be perfectly fine with myself and be doing a hell of a lot more in every other facet of life. That's not to say I'm perfectly happy with myself, but I do disagree with your statement intensely. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:44 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.But that's what I'm talking about. What the fuck is all that about? Why do I need to reconstruct so much about me just to have sexual contact? I can't see how it's worthwhile or real. Isn't a whore better? Won't a whore accept me for me even if it's just for money? At least they are accepting me... | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:42 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.I just wanted to respond to this and say I'm not a fake troll. Everything I post is sincere. | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:40 PM |
| 1 | I have no game and I hate women for not wanting me.While there is a sadness in thinking of women in this way, I can't deny that my experiences verify this. I've seen how if you don't satisfy their emotions they will simply keep rejecting you and in remarkably similar ways. How they'll hamster any rationale if they don't like you and legitimately think you are a bad person or someone that shouldn't be in their lives at all just because you want to date them. And then I see how they act when they do like someone and how they'll rationalize so much… | /r/TheRedPill | 26/09/14 05:40 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do men have an upper hand to women in the sexual marketplace?I don't think women 18-25 think like that which means it doesn't affect their emotional reality. | /r/askTRP | 22/09/14 08:45 PM |
| 1 | In what ways do men have an upper hand to women in the sexual marketplace?I'm going to play devil's advocate a bit with what you are saying since I'm not entirely sure I can agree with what you are saying as is. You can improve your SMV relatively limitlessly; you can always get more money, more friends, bigger muscles and better game. She can only make herself so pretty, even with makeup; polished turds are still turds. Her beauty will also decline with age, your SMV won't. Can't a woman also expand her social circle and always become thinner or more toned too? Can't… | /r/askTRP | 22/09/14 09:21 AM |
| 1 | In what ways do men have an upper hand to women in the sexual marketplace?So you are saying a man with options has more power than a woman with options? Why? | /r/askTRP | 22/09/14 09:03 AM |
| 1 | In what ways do men have an upper hand to women in the sexual marketplace?What if a man decides to only focus on women within their prime? | /r/askTRP | 22/09/14 09:03 AM |
| 1 | In what ways do men have an upper hand to women in the sexual marketplace?Let's say a man wants to only focus on women in their sexual prime (I imagine ages 18-25) so that one can't depend on the pending hitting of the wall as the man gets older. Do you think there is any advantage for the man then? | /r/askTRP | 22/09/14 09:02 AM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?It's very strange to me. I definitely want an easy going, nice girl. They are among the most important qualities I desire. It's so natural and logical to me that I have trouble empathizing how someone, let alone a segment of the population, can find it irrelevant. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 11:19 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Thank you for the encouragement. I just wonder when the rewards will come in. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 11:17 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?It allows more informed decision making. Ultimately, this is going to come down to how an individual can use that knowledge to increase their well being or happiness. That's what all of what we do comes down to in some form. It was in that sense I originally commented on how certain aspects of the pill do not make me happy. So your retort about it being just about awareness left me nonplussed which is why I responded how I did. If we play this out, I'm sure you'll agree with me. That would be pr… | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 01:44 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Swallowing the pill doesn't bring happiness, just awareness. Awareness for awareness sake is not very useful or good arguably. Maintain frame and it will be you. No, I'll just appear to be that way. No one is always strong just like no one is always weak. It's good that you mentioned frame though. I find the effectiveness that maintaining frame has (at least according to this sub) to be a reflection of a grand pathetic aspect of female or human psychology. Even worse than my suicidal and despera… | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 11:06 AM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Yea, I had a feeling it might just be semantics. It's pretty disheartening to me personally that revealing weakness is unattractive. I can hardly think of anything more sincere and revealing of trust than opening up a genuine weakness to someone else. I mean not counting the cases where people do it for sympathy and all that, it's just such a precious and rare occurrence. It is a dream, but isn't all this alpha stuff a dream too in a different way? Who is always alpha? Who is always strong? Yet,… | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 10:14 AM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?It's interesting that you use the word vulnerability because I recently finished reading Models by Mark Manson (a book recommended to me by this subreddit) and in it, he suggest vulnerability is a huge part of attracting women. I found his ideas both comforting and logical. Are you familiar with his framework? Also, I'd like to dream that helping someone can extend to sexuality too. Or, hell, maybe even loving/caring for them in a complete way with their weaknesses and all. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 09:06 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?Thank you for this thoughtful and empathetic message. In Zen Archery, they focus on holding the bow perfectly, standing perfectly, knocking and drawing the arrow perfectly. You do the process perfectly, hitting the bulls-eye takes care of itself. I think your Zen Archery analogy is quite apt especially in terms of how I ought to view all of this. All I can do is try and set up my goals as best I can and then let go and let things happen. It's easier said than done though. It seems like your weig… | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 08:51 AM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Son, the fellows are trying to explain to you that getting good with girls is NOT a life strategy. Getting good with girls is a byproduct of a good life. A person can make a life of being attractive to women like a porn star or male prostitute. More importantly though there seem to be skills that are relatively independent to any other life goal that will help one with women. I think the community calls it game and you mention it in the very next paragraph. I believe a lot of my failings stem fr… | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 08:34 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?True. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 01:55 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?I'm not wanting an exceptional reward. Just to pass a normal developmental milestone most people pass at a decade younger than I. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:53 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life?I posted on that and rate me on a separate account. I got 5-6 range. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:36 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life?Well I'm not going to sit here and define you, because I'm shallow and will base my opinion of you on your looks, BMI, and mental health. I guess that's how most people are. If you're comfortable with just killing yourself because someone on the internet told you you're an omega with no hope, you're probably an omega. Not what I was going for exactly. I just don't know where I'd fit. Otherwise, go buy a prostitute and get sex off your mind. It's only sex. Great in the department of not caring wh… | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:28 AM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?I don't understand your comment. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?I am being as patient as I can. I'm not sure what else to say. I appreciate you trying to help. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:25 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?Yea, I'm trying to improve my SMV, but it's difficult and there are no rewards along the way. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:23 AM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life?I can see myself as either. It depends on a person's values. Some people would def call me omega and right now I don't do anything of utility to others. I can't even get into relationships with women let alone poorly managed ones so I am worse than betas in that sense. All and all I'm not sure what I'd be. | /r/askTRP | 17/09/14 12:22 AM |
| 2 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?I'm guessing that you've looked through my post history given what you said. If you did you should have seen that I am open to what people are saying, that I am implementing the changes they are suggesting slowly but surely. Can you believe that is true and at the same time I fail with women and suffer tremendously? Or does it have to be either I am lazy and don't try and thus fail or I try and win? I'm not sure the game is beatable. I am trying, but it seems like I am trapped in the same level … | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 11:38 PM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life with attractive women?Ha ha, that's funny. I guess that's just another way of saying luck though. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 11:09 PM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life?What's the difference as you are defining them? Not all places agree on what each is. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 11:08 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?I take some responsibility. Blaming women partly is not mutually exclusive with blaming myself. But I guess you need to make this easier for yourself by making a caricature out of me. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 10:43 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?This conversation is becoming pointless. We were headed some place constructive then I said something you couldn't handle and know we are going to platitudes. Can we resume the previous thread? | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 09:50 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Posture is actually pretty effective in terms of projecting confidence. Don't underestimate it just because it seems unconventional. Non-verbal communication in general is extremely important and even in business school this isn't neglected. I def. agree with what you are saying. I phrased what I wrote wrong. I believe posture is effective, but a lot of the other stuff seems like bs. A bit of poor phrasing on my part. Because you should actively be doing something more important like flirting wi… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 09:48 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Um ok. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 09:22 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Socializing is a fundamental need for humans. Loneliness is twice as fatal as obesity. I'm suicidal because of being an incel. Those are some ways. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 09:21 PM |
| 0 | Why am I repulsive to women?I consider myself brave for not killing myself and for still trying to live a good life and be a good person despite how much pain I feel. For still approaching women despite how they've brutalized me with their ceaseless indifference. I recently started a new diet and exercise routine so that's the fitness part. It's pretty comprehensive though admittedly very much in an infantile stage. Still, I am doing it. As for socializing, I still go out, approach and reach out to friends. I am seeing a t… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 09:09 PM |
| -5 | Why am I repulsive to women?But you are willing to assume and be a jerk. Interesting "values". Good riddance. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?I mean, women are the thing I want the most. I'm not sure how I can alter that raw desire even if I tell myself otherwise. I try to concentrate on those other things more because I do agree they help in attracting women and they are more in my control, but I can't honestly say anything else compares with my lust for women. At least not in the same way. There are other things I may value other than women in a very different way, but that are undermined by the extreme depression lack of intimacy c… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:49 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?There are a million self-help guides on projecting confidence out there.Try a few and see what works for you. Yea, I try some stuff like with posture, but a lot of it seems like bs or that it would only work on fools. My next response gives an example of such an objection. Abundance mentality is automatically translated into behavior. Ignoring your phone when it keeps beeping is indicative of a wide social circle, being in demand and abundance mentality, for example. Why would I ever ignore my p… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:45 PM |
| 0 | Why am I repulsive to women?You should've added this in your body of text. It would've helped. Yea, but I wanted it to be as blank slate as possible. I always post with some information coming in and I wanted to see if just a blank approach would yield something different and useful. Have you worked on getting out more? Yes, I've been going out more. I'm up to 3 times a week now with the intention of talking to girls which is up from basically 0 a few months ago and 2 from when we last spoke. I still get stuck pretty much … | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:32 PM |
| 2 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life?Count ugly girls out cause I am assuming the person is attracted to them. As for money, doesn't that just get into prostitution or the not so different gold digger type of girls? As for status, isn't that an alpha trait? | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:28 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?Confidence is the most effective means, but all the trimmings associated with it help (e.g. abundance mentality, wide social circle, being busy and in demand, etc.) But you still have to display all of those things. Confidence needs to be shown, abundance mentality means nothing unless it translated into behavior, no one will know if you have a wide social circle if it isn't displayed in some form and the same is true for being busy or in demand. And because of this, these things can also be fak… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:27 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?I understand what you are saying, but I honestly don't think I can do it. I am willing to work out, get a better financial situation, develop my inner strength and so many more things, but I just can't stop being easy going and genuine. I can't stop wanting women. It's just who I am AND who I want to be. I feel like this is a perfect trap. No matter which direction I move, I'm fucked and compromised. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:24 PM |
| 1 | Are prostitutes the only way for a beta/omega to experience a lively sex life?What are the alternatives? | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:22 PM |
| -2 | Why am I repulsive to women?I am willing to answer any questions and take any reasonable advice and apply it to my life. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:20 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?How does one project status? I know how one improves their actually status, but I know people who have status, but still suck with women. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:20 PM |
| 1 | Why am I repulsive to women?I'm 25. I'm overweight. I have nothing going for me other than being somewhat intelligent. My # 1 goal is to get successful with women. I'd also like to get in shape, have a good and fulfilling job, develop my inner person more and get some fulfilling hobbies and ways to spend my time more happily. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:19 PM |
| -4 | Why am I repulsive to women?What's not fair is someone assuming things right off the bat for no reason and then acting like a dick to someone coming for help. My response was completely factually and informative and was more than fair given the ignorant shittiness I was responded to. Not mentioning being suicidal would be unfair as it wouldn't accurately reflect my situation. If that makes him/her feel guilty, I really don't give a shit. They can always not respond further and remove themselves from the situation. And, yes… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 08:16 PM |
| -5 | Why am I repulsive to women?I've read it multiple times and been thinking about this for years and it's brought me to the point of suicide many times. But assume more. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 07:56 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?What? | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 01:15 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?I will take all your advice into consideration. I am very tentatively and skeptically interested in your friend's services. Please PM me with some contact details. Thank you. | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 01:15 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?You are absolutely right and I am sorry that you are going through something similar. I fear, in my case at least, much of my problems originate from poor social skills as well as not being as physically attractive or occupational successful as I could be. There are men and women who have sexual success without much success in either category and people who are successful occupationally and keep in shape or whatever and are terrible in relationships. So as I much as I am interested in increasing… | /r/askTRP | 16/09/14 12:58 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?That's all good advice and I've been working on pretty much everything you said slowly already with the exception of the hobby thing since I'm busy with other things. I also don't know about monk mode as I think an important part of developing myself is to continual try to socialize and get laid. I'm not sure how behaving in a more antisocial manner will benefit me. A meaningful life. The girls will be attracted to the magnetism of your lifestyle and personality. Work on your life and the bitche… | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:13 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?I am seeing a therapist. I know there's more to life in a quantitative sense, but, to me, there's nothing qualitatively better. I do agree that wanting it so much probably makes it more difficult to get especially considering how female attraction works. | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:09 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?Yea, I'm working on those. Developing my own diet and using a dumbbell lifting regiment that is very similar to the link you provided. Thanks for the info though. | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:07 PM |
| 0 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?That's just assumptions and judgments. You have no idea if I've read the sidebar nor do you know what I've done to try to improve myself nor do you know the struggles I face. And if this is a waste of time to you just don't comment at all. | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:06 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?Maybe I should maybe I shouldn't. The fact is I do and it's to the point of not giving a shit about the rest of life. | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:05 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?make yourself more attractive, work harder than everyone else and become better than them. most people are lazy as fuck, so its not like its even that difficult. I'm working on that. seriously, women like money, just work hard and get lots of money, save that money, and women will be chasing you Wouldn't that just attract gold diggers? As for the rest of what you said, saying women being # 1 is boring or implying that I ought to interchange what I put as # 1 is meaningless if you don't provide s… | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:04 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?Seems like a reasonable starter list for self improvement. I've already started on the planning stages for diet and exercise and, while I haven't read NMMNG, I have read other books similar to it recently. I've some what successfully cut down on my video game and porn time which are really my only addictions. As for your never give up and waiting for the hot girls lines, I have my doubts. There's no certainty I'll ever get any girl let alone a desirable one. There's no assurance any of these str… | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 07:00 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?I am sure that tons of porn and fantasies about girls made you build up huge standards. Can we define huge standards? | /r/askTRP | 15/09/14 06:52 PM |
| 2 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?Ain't that some shit. | /r/askTRP | 14/09/14 01:29 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?So basically go for people I am not attracted to? | /r/askTRP | 14/09/14 01:29 PM |
| 1 | I am desperate, lonely, crazed, suicidal incel. Can you help?It's good advice, but do you have anything that would be more immediate? | /r/askTRP | 14/09/14 01:16 PM |
| 1 | Stoicism- the most important aspect of holding frameI think all of this is just about appearances. If you are stoic you seem more firm than if you are emotional and so it helps you control the interaction. So much of TRP seems to be just about appearances. | /r/TheRedPill | 14/09/14 12:36 PM |
| -2 | Stoicism- the most important aspect of holding frameYou can still show emotion and logically deal with a situation and be firm, I think. It may appear less solid and certain to those observing, but that doesn't mean it is. Or am I wrong? | /r/TheRedPill | 13/09/14 12:16 AM |
| 0 | Stoicism- the most important aspect of holding frameI'm male and I've never really respected anyone for being stoic in a social situation. It seems to try hard and boring. I do respect people who don't let their emotions make them make bad decisions and stuff like that, but that's more of appreciation for a lack of a flaw. I don't see the value of stoicism for stoicism sake and find more colorful and emotional characters more interesting. Obviously, I can relate to the female even less. | /r/TheRedPill | 12/09/14 11:59 PM |
| -6 | Stoicism- the most important aspect of holding frameWhy would anyone beg to be around someone they can't effect? | /r/TheRedPill | 12/09/14 09:26 PM |
| 0 | Guys who have raised their SMV, give me the before and after of how women treated you.Two wrongs make a right? | /r/askTRP | 21/08/14 06:40 PM |
| -2 | Guys who have raised their SMV, give me the before and after of how women treated you.So TRP endorses dishonesty to fuck women now? | /r/askTRP | 21/08/14 07:03 AM |
| -7 | Guys who have raised their SMV, give me the before and after of how women treated you.So part of your self improvement is to lie about remembering her and mislead about wanting to bang her? | /r/askTRP | 20/08/14 05:39 PM |
| 1 | Text Game and TRPIt seems like nothing more than a cognitive bias for approximating a male's value. For someone like me who tries as hard as possible to eliminate or minimize such biases and see reality for what it is and people for who they actually are, it's hard to respect or understand especially since it seems to have such a powerful effect on women. | /r/TheRedPill | 17/08/14 07:39 AM |
| 2 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?I found that talk interesting and I do agree with his overall conclusion. Thank you for sharing it. | /r/askTRP | 17/08/14 05:38 AM |
| 2 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?I've always though of that as a false dichotomy. Using the example a women finding a better man, why can't she appreciate, love and fuck both? | /r/askTRP | 15/08/14 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Text Game and TRPYea, I wonder why that is the case. I can't really relate to it at all as a heterosexual male. It's difficult to internalize if I neither know why nor can empathize. | /r/TheRedPill | 15/08/14 11:35 PM |
| 1 | Text Game and TRPWhy do they care if you have other options? | /r/TheRedPill | 15/08/14 10:57 PM |
| 3 | Text Game and TRPWhy does any of this stuff matter to women? | /r/TheRedPill | 14/08/14 09:01 PM |
| 2 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?I hate monogamy. I think it does nothing, but nurture the jealous and possessive parts of human nature while making rejection and loneliness more commonplace. We can love genuinely even with knowing someone fools around with others. At least that's my 2 cents. I think it doesn't fit in here because this place worships the ego a lot and the supreme alpha makes girls hooked to him so much that she doesn't want anyone else. In theory, at least. | /r/askTRP | 14/08/14 07:07 PM |
| 1 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?SMV, SMV, SMV. It's all about SMV. | /r/askTRP | 14/08/14 07:02 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I'm pretty sure I'm going to kill myself soon. Life is just a game and I'm so tired of it. | /r/askTRP | 14/08/14 06:23 PM |
| 2 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?I'm omega as fuck. I can't even get a single girl to go on 1 date. | /r/askTRP | 14/08/14 06:23 PM |
| 2 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?I'm just curious what TRP thinks. It's interesting that people assume that because I am asking for an external perspective that I must be looking for validation or something. | /r/askTRP | 14/08/14 06:22 PM |
| 2 | What is the red pill's stance on polyamory?Why? | /r/askTRP | 14/08/14 06:18 PM |
| 1 | Can someone be confidently and unapologetically desperate?How what works out? | /r/askTRP | 13/08/14 03:49 PM |
| 1 | Can someone be confidently and unapologetically desperate?How witty. | /r/askTRP | 13/08/14 01:45 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Have you been doing the work? Has it been helping you? | /r/askTRP | 08/08/14 10:50 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I will check out the book. An incel subreddit would be a good idea. Being an incel is such a stigmatized and misunderstood thing. Anything that can make people think of it more compassionately and with a true understanding would be a good idea. | /r/askTRP | 08/08/14 10:49 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Thanks for the thought out and sincere analysis. I will seriously consider what you have written. | /r/askTRP | 08/08/14 08:22 PM |
| 0 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?It's extreme in terms of what is normal, but to me it's perfectly logical and decisive. | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 02:26 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?They're not extreme. I just know what I want out of life definitively. | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 01:55 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Sounds like you are not really in a good place yourself. Has this been the result of the self improvement suggested here? is there something douchey about you that makes you unhappy? I'm not sure what you are asking. Do you mean is there some characteristics of mine that other people would dislike (that they would call douchey) and thus are the cause of my social isolation? Or do you mean something else? Have you turned down sex because your so frustraited about being an incel? I have, but I've … | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I don't see or feel why I should take the risk. The odds of success seem to low. I have nothing that I can look at and think "Yea, I got a chance to live the life I want." That's not about pity, but the earnest conclusion of my thought on this. | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 01:06 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?It's not about sex itself. It's about being wanted and having that proven via sex. The sex is honestly secondary even though it is a necessary part of all this. So a prostitute can't really help me. If I'm part of that 80% does that not mean that I ought to save myself the pain now? | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 01:04 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I am being realistic in a sense. If sex (and it's an if since I haven't had it yet) is my life passion, wouldn't it make sense to pursue that? Especially, if it's in a way that can make me money and thus solve two problems in my life at once? My biggest problem with women is that they are not attracted to me lol. As for the reason, I couldn't say exactly. I know I don't act any where near a dark triad, red pill, alpha male. I am genuinely nice, but also I know when and how to assert my boundarie… | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 12:56 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Well, I'm not after perfectionism per se, but I do want a certain standard of living so to speak. People generally refer to that financially, but I mean that socially and romantically. Until then, I will really be happy even if I am proud of my progression. | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 12:51 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I'm seriously considering it. It seems to be the best potential solution. | /r/askTRP | 07/08/14 12:23 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I am sorry for your troubles. Are things better for you now? | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 09:14 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I suppose at the end of the day being Zen-like is the only safe bet. Still, I do know, at least thus far in my life, few things can even begin to compare how even the prospect of romance makes me feel. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I accept that I need to work on it and improve my SMV. I'd just like to know what I can do in the mean time to maybe have some female affection in my life while I am not living up to my potential. I think having a woman in my life in a romantic capacity, one that I genuinely want and who wants me, would do a lot of good for me. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 09:05 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I have nothing against prostitutes, but I personally don't want to go to one. There is the fact that it is illegal, the risk of STDs to think about, but also it's not me actually attracting a woman which is the crux of my problem. Do you have another suggestion? | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 09:03 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Before I answer what I have to offer I'd like to ask you; What does anyone have to offer anyone? I will not presume to answer for you, but I think the list is very short and finite if you take away arbitrary or excessively superficial things and focus on the things that matter. That will be the next book I read after Models. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:59 PM |
| 2 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?It's remarkable to see that guy doing so well and helping others. It really shakes me out of my comfort zone and makes me question what I'm doing. Thanks. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:55 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I'm taking antidepressants right now. I'm willing to do anything so long as it doesn't cross certain ethical boundaries to live a good, productive and happy life. I don't really want to die. I just need this pain to end one way or another. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:51 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?You do know even if I work for one extremely hard I can still fail right? | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:50 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?This is good advice. Thanks. I just need help implementing it consistently and some hope that at the end of it all I'll actually achieve what I want to achieve. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:48 PM |
| 2 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Yes, I am trying to use the resources I have to avoid a negative outcome. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:47 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I am doing all the things you've mentioned within the capacity I am able to currently. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I do crave intimacy and validation. I also simply crave experiencing this part of my life. I'm human. Basically, you are talking about the hedonic treadmill. While I do agree that plays a factor in everything we want, I also think some things do make a difference totally in our happiness and that this may be one of them for me. I agree, that I need to work on those things in the long term. In the short term, I need some boost of happiness though. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 08:10 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I do think my standards being too high is a factor though it's not like I have girls below my standard throwing themselves at me either. I mean I know I need to improve myself it's just so difficult given where I am now. It may not even be possible. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 04:19 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?What if I became a porn star? | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I'm open to it. Could you describe it a little? I googled it and what I found was too vague to get a grip on what it was. | /r/askTRP | 06/08/14 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Yea, I do mean looks. That's why I continued about the rest. It's just a matter of giving off an attractive persona. Most people are seduced with the appearance of things, after all whether that means muscles or the appearance of mental strength, aloofness, popularity etc. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 08:00 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Yea, but even focusing on me doesn't assure success. And, more importantly, I have 0 will for sustained, consistent self improvement given my current situation. I've tried it before and I just crash and burn. I'm looking for something I've never tried before like sex. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:23 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Which then becomes paradoxical. My mission in life is to attract women and in order to attract women I need to have a different mission in life. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:21 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Depends on how old, but I'd be willing to look into that. How do I find these women? | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:15 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Ok, my mission is to have as much sex and positive emotional connections as possible. Now what? | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Some people uglier than me have what I want. And if that's possible the rest is just what the other person perceives about my life and mind which all comes down to presentation in the end. So I question your conclusion. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:12 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?For a while. It's not working. Guess, I'm going to die. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I've watched that before. A lot of that sort of stuff is just feel good nonsense. Not everyone who thinks with this sort of focused positivity gets what they want out of life or is even happy. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:11 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I just want a woman who sticks around, gives me sex and cares about me even when I'm down. That's too much? | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 07:05 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Going out and trying to talk to women. Online dating stuff. That's mainly it. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 06:38 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I'll check out the book. So sex, romance or women and mission in life are mutually exclusive? | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 06:37 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?By dying or by finding someone before I kill myself. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 06:30 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I've talked to several psychs over the years, taken several ADs over the years and am currently talking to a psych and taking an AD. I'm still in the same place with women and thus my happiness. I would recommend the excellent book Feeling Good by Dr David Burns. One thing in the book that is relevant: he points out that love is a "want" not a need. You need food, water and oxygen. Love and companionship is great to have but you don't NEED it. I'll check out the book, but that definition of need… | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 06:06 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?I'm looking for something immediate not necessarily easy. There's a difference. I won't last 6 months monk mode with the way I've been feeling. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 06:00 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?You've been holding up women as the meaning for your life for 10+ years now and haven't gotten anywhere. It's time for you to admit that it just doesn't work and do something different. How do you know it's 10+ years? How do you define it not working? Just because it drives me to suicide doesn't show me anything is inherently wrong. Maybe, I was just too worthless to succeed at what I value. Six months of hard core monk mode isn't going to make you any less laid then you are now. It's certainly … | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 05:58 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?What was the definition you found for incel? Did you even read the sidebar material? You phrase this as if I must not have if I'm thinking the way I do. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 05:55 PM |
| 1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?Hence why I view suicide as the only logical way out. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 05:54 PM |
| 2 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?So I have to ask, if your an incel, how are women so important to you? Cause I know how I feel when I have gotten their attention and attraction and nothing I've ever experienced has compared to it. m going to assume your a virgin here (or have had very little sex, even just once) so I don't understand how you can focus so much of your energy into something you cannot attain. I am a virgin. I can't attain it but that doesn't make me want it any less. Cut the bullshit, cut all contact with ALL wo… | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 12:56 PM |
| 2 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?25 and yea. Everything else in life is dull or just not as satisfying. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 12:52 PM |
| -1 | Women are all that matter to me. What do I do?It's very difficult, if not impossible, for me to do it in that order. Generally, it works for me the opposite way. With some female validation, I feel ready to tackle the world and without it I just want to die. | /r/askTRP | 05/08/14 12:37 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Where would you suggest I start that would yield the most results with women immediately? | /r/askTRP | 04/08/14 04:00 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I am willing to change. I just can't change in every way that is being suggested here or start them right now. So I guess I'm trying to find a way of establishing a romantic or sexual connection without going doing a 6 month, away from society, SMV boosting chapter of my life. | /r/askTRP | 04/08/14 01:51 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I think your idea with in the first paragraph is flawed by an artificial constraint; The thing must be described in a single word. Sure, you are pointing out some of the flaws in language like that, but it's not reflective of how people can interact. In RL you are not limited to one word to describe things nor is a person who may want something described limited to one question. So we can get to the bottom of it, at least the bottom of what the person is willing to say, and completely avoid the … | /r/askTRP | 04/08/14 01:43 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?we can express things with immense exactitude, but the words of primary humanistic concern barely have usable definitions. love, friendship, truth are all amorphous blobs that mean something different to every person. This is because of how fickle, hypocritical and greedy people are not because language can't describe what those things are nor because we don't understand what they are. We all know what a real friend is vs a fake friend vs an acquaintance vs a stranger vs a fwb vs a SO etc. our a… | /r/askTRP | 04/08/14 02:34 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yes. | /r/askTRP | 04/08/14 02:30 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Too depressed. | /r/askTRP | 04/08/14 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Why is that funny? | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 09:30 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I've tried and failed. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 09:06 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Can't even do that. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:56 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'd like to get laid without paying for it for one. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:45 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I can't do what I want so the only escape from the pain is death. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:32 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I am. Doesn't help. I am going to kill myself soon. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:18 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Why did you link to that? I think the fact that social skills exist shows people want or need to be manipulated. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:18 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'm too depressed to do anything really. I only go out in hopes I will meet someone who just fuck me that night or in a week or so. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:17 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Ok, first off. Somewhere in this mess I saw you say you were considering suicide. You need to immediately seek professional help. Looking for answers anywhere on the internet is a wrong headed idea. I am getting professional help. It doesn't help. Second.... Something my brother toLd me a long time ago that made sense... You have to get out of it to get into it. I had to think about it for awhile before it made sense. When it did my life changed overnight. Get out of your head and get into real … | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:08 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yea, I think I am going to make another question where I specify a person being low SMV. To say just increase your SMV doesn't apply to me cause I can't. I am currently reading that book. I am done with part 1. I think some of it is good and some of it is contradicting over generalized bs. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:03 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'll check those books out. I really disagree with your ideas though. Just because we use symbols that doesn't mean we can't express things with immense exactitude. I also don't think we are all mad or it's all about perspective or that humans have to be any one way. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:02 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Nobody here thinks that. It's that you asked a question with a flawed premise and people are correcting you, but you remain unmoved. There is a difference between the two. Prove it. Probably because as you've said elsewhere, you almost never leave your room. Practice makes perfect. Grind that social skill IRL instead of your mining level in runescape. Never worked and I don't have the will to nor the ability probably. The existence of social skills, in general, is repugnant I think. That's all w… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 08:01 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?How much time are you online daily? Is it limited to when you're only at work? I'm on when ever I am not sleeping or socializing. Basically all day. I don't work. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 07:54 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Evasion rather than providing evidence. It was an analogy not an evasion. This quote probably supports my statement the second-strongest, because it shows that even after having the other viewpoint explained to you, you ignore the statement and continue with your previous conclusion because you believe you understand the opposing viewpoint better than those who hold it. I suppose, I should have changed the original question to only talk about low or average smv males. Of course if you are a rock… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 07:53 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I know about the claims of TRP being amoral and the justifications. I still disagree with it regardless of who said it or how it's put. Maybe, TRP isn't for me and it seems life isn't either. I'm trying to find a way to live and get what I want out of life, but it seems impossible. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 07:13 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's interesting stuff. I do wonder if it is causation or just correlation. Maybe, people who spend time in front of the computer are already depressed or predisposed to depression and it just so happens they gravitate to computers for whatever reason. Thanks for the links and suggestions though. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 06:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I agree with the intention thing, but part of the problem is also that I can't relate to how people process the world. So everything I say and do is off. What do you mean you were raised TRP? | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 06:55 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's not what I said, but even if I did that wouldn't be bad. I'd simply be sticking to my strengths. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 06:54 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You just pulled all of that your ass. There's nothing about how I've been acting here that proves what you are saying. No comment yet has made a point that has shocked me or gone against what I already knew about TRP. You believe I am assuming things because it seems people here think it's impossible to disagree with TRP and understand. You must not get it if you disagree is the implicit message of almost every commenter. And most of what is offered here is repeated and circular. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 06:53 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?It's amazing how everyone who comments here thinks they have the epiphany producing answer. I've thought about that exact perspective many times. I agree with that exact perspective too. The thing is: 1. I am terrible at manipulating people 2. I don't like doing it and 3. I hate how necessary it is. That's why I withdraw and if it weren't for feeling lonely I'd be completely fine with it. But since I do get lonely I'm not sure there is a solution. And I've never met someone who could really mani… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 06:49 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?It's the truth and I provided evidence for it. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 06:35 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's how I define being true to oneself. If you define it just by what you can do then almost anything can be considered true to oneself and it becomes rather meaningless. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 05:20 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I agree. That doesn't mean you will be as good at everything you can do nor enjoy them all the same. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:59 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?It's not necessary to have a perfect life to get laid though. Plenty of shitty people get laid often. My goals are just for that right now. The rest is a bit too much right now for me. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:55 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?There is a time and place for everything. Here I am concerned with being right and logical and myself because that's what I come here for and that's what this subreddit prides itself on; An objective ruthless view of reality. In person, I know that people don't respect or like that for whatever reason so I try to work on their emotions more and establish social bonds. Idk, I hate people in a lot of ways tbh. I just happen to need things from them and have a hope that some of them are wonderful. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:47 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Isn't this whole subreddit a life hack to seduce women and live life fully? | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Not exactly. Genetics are hard wiring of different traits that successfully adapted and reproduced. They hard code different attributes based on what was previously effective. So it is natural that they lag to a certain extent. Indeed, this factor is part of why so few genetic lines make it. Nature produces in massive abundances and it's inherent to the system that most will die it. Even the capacity to temper genetic tendencies is genetic. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:30 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You are assuming implicitly, I think, that once that happens I'll agree with the selfishness of the world and just go along with it. That's not necessarily the case. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:23 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I read the article. It mostly doesn't apply to me. I was aware of that aspect of people from a very early age and took deliberate steps, including purposely not affiliating with any social group, so I could look at the world as objectively as possible. I've never really given into partisanship with politics, I tend to research the other side of any issue, even if it seems obvious, purposely to avoid bias and much more. I rebel against those instincts described in that article and that rebellion … | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You can get a women without lying, she may be slutty or looking for a beta provider. Is that what you want? What I want doesn't preclude either of those things. You can get a girl you really want without lying, but the truth has to be what hits all her interests: your SMV without lying has to be high enough for her. I have a SMV of 0. That being said, TRP is amoral. It is a means to an end - maximizing your value in the SMP. If you can't accept that then TRP isn't for you. It's amoral cause you … | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 03:50 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You are writing as if genetics don't influence or dictate personality. As if we are blank slates and environment does everything to us. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 03:42 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Just because personal values are some what alterable doesn't mean that one is just as valid as the other. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 03:40 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's one of the dumbest retorts I've ever read. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 03:39 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Selflessness is philosophically admirable, but the reality is that selfless people get used, and despair because the world that they know can exist refuses to will itself into existence. This is at the root of my entire dilemma both with TRP and with life. I genuinely don't know what to do. I don't know how to love or be happy in a world of selfishness. I don't know if it's better to not try. I just don't know what to do or think when it comes to this. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 02:09 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?If a girl throws a shit test I become sad. Not sad because of what she's saying or anything like that, but sad that she's being a dumb animal and allowing these stupid instincts to get in the way of being good to others. I say that because I think it should give insight into how I view the world and where my values are. I will try to be less affected by things in the end though. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 02:05 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I suppose I will check out /r/GetMotivated or something to try and be able to propel myself. It's certain that something needs to change in my currently useless and miserable existence. I guess, no one will care until I have enough value to make them care. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 02:01 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yea, I def could use more genuine confidence. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:59 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'm sure that's part of it. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:59 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?is it lying though? you seem to think any conscious choice is dishonest, and frankly, you should probably take that somewhere else. I think if it doesn't match up with the person's personal values it could be considering lying to oneself, yes. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:54 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Not really. I know what you are trying to get at, I think. Ought is fictitious and worthless, what matters is how things are. What you may fail to realize is that ought can be very useful to get things from one state of how they are to another state. It's useful in conceiving a different way to do things. In that particular example though I was using it more as a way of talking about what is real. Our biological imperative as a species is to survive and reproduce no? So if following alpha behavi… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:43 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?And that's a big part of why I've basically dropped out of society. I just stay in my room most of the time. I genuinely can't stand the hypocrisy necessary to survive. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:27 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I don't think it's either. I do have a certain personality disorder that mimics some aspects of autism without me being unable neurologically to read social cues and all that. So I guess the truth is some where in between though I wouldn't call it pig headed at all nor would I call the principles arbitrary. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:25 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You know that's not the same thing. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:24 PM |
| 2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That does help a bit. Thank you. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:21 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I definitely agree with this both in how the Jesus example and in the alpha male idea which is what inspired this thread. Part of my difficulties are emerging from how to handle the interim stages before I actually am that which I am trying to be and the another part is wondering about the merits of the actual transformation I am undertaking. There are aspects of being alpha like taking my physical health seriously and lifting which are undeniably positive. Then there are other ways like demonst… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:20 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yea, you are right. I am getting out more recently. I've started to go out alone for instance on weekends and start to talk to people in bars and stuff. It's difficult to make a connection, but it is I'm taking small steps to be more social. Perhaps this question will be slightly ironic, but do you have any resources where I can read about how using a computer a lot alters the brain? | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:05 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?you don't have to be born with a predisposition to some art in order to train and eventually be a master of it. I'm not sure that's true. I think the only way to truly get to the top in any field is to have some natural talent and disposition toward it. I try to alter myself in ways as I socialize and it never works out. And part of what I am saying is that because I've tried in different ways and it doesn't work out it must be because of my nature. I don't believe we can control everything abou… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 01:03 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'm not familiar with the karate class thing. Could you summarize it, please? | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 12:58 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?O I see. I misunderstood then. Yes, there are better things I can do with myself certainly. It's very difficult when I get so depressed that I won't even open the fridge to eat because it feels like too much. It's probably something most people can't relate to, but this is who I am. I know I really ought to exercise and diet and engage in interesting and fulfilling hobbies and all that, but I'm in such a rut that it feels impossible. I believe something about my enjoyment of life needs to improv… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 12:57 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I agree most are trying to help me and I am grateful for those who are. If I seem relentlessly opposed to the advice it's because most of what has been discussed here are all already things I've thought about and have resulted in me being stuck. I think people here have this idea that they will write one comment with some RP truth and that the person will have an epiphany. I wish it were that easy in my case, but I'm not giving up trying to find some way to resolve things. I realize in the end I… | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 12:45 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You don't have any idea what you are talking about. You are just annoyed by the things I say and my conduct which is ok. I am still going to pursue a way to resolve this issues even if it makes some think of me as a troll or obtuse or whatever. My life is more important than your judgment. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 12:39 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'm actually being completely serious. Part of becoming civilized has been to make the naked human body taboo (at least in US culture) to a certain extent. And correlative to that we makes sexual acts taboo and different sorts of sexual relations taboo and I think it's all culturally proprietary nonsense and a sign of species wide immaturity. I'm honestly not sure why this makes you think I'm a troll. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 12:34 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I own that book and have read it. It actually changed how I socialized a lot. I try to really focus on on other people in conversations. I always ask about them and just let them talk and work off of that. That was the main lesson that book taught me. Perhaps I should reread it though. | /r/askTRP | 03/08/14 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?It's not inevitable unless masses of people think it is. We do have minds that are capable of evaluating things beyond self interest, ego and emotions. We can look at things objectively. The only thing that needs to happen is, well, for people to be willing to do it and then do it. And I think the world would be a beautiful place if we did. That ideal is the most worthwhile thing ever. Even though I want a woman to the point of suicide, that ideal guides my actions even toward my grave I suppose… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 11:04 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?It's SOOOOO rare for a girl to be attracted to me that I'm pretty sure at this rate I will die a virgin. I'd like to prevent that. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 11:00 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Those would help, but unfortunate I am too depressed in my life to do those things. What I mean by lying has more to do with the mechanics of dealing with situations. Like how to deal with shit tests and all. Not about biographical information or something. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:48 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'm 25. We are having a certain type of discussion and I am disagreeing with the merits of an entire online community in their main hub. Of course, I am going to seem argumentative and disagreeable if I stick to my guns. But I have to get to the logical ends here. It's the only way is to continue on in hopes I can find some way to come to terms with all these issues. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:47 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?What? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?How? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Seriously, just think about how weird and creepy this sounds. Don't be weird and creepy. I said I forgot the name. I don't see how it's weird of creepy at all. In fact, I have trouble even understanding those things conceptually. They just seem to be about social biases that I don't share. You offer to meet up, and she agrees. Then you call her back and want to talk about the relationship right then. Well if you wanted to talk then, why were you trying to set up a meeting for the next day? She's… | /r/seduction | 02/08/14 10:38 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I have been reading it for years. There's nothing in my life that makes me plugged in. I sit in front of my computer, play video games and read and then sometimes try and socialize. That's it. It's just my nature that keeps reoccurring. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:34 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?You are using this very specific encounter with me to judge my whole personality. It's a fallacy. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:32 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Use them. See if they work. Then try and come up with reasoning on an individual basis. I can't do that. It seems so intellectually dishonest. Like someone saying, "first be willing to do anything for money then later justify it". And I think understand why a lot of the things work, but it's cause of biological imperatives or social conventions. It's never about aspiring to something more. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:31 PM |
| -2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Seems to me how every person works. I don't think anyone does anything for literally nothing. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:27 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?if you have an impulse to do something, like eat a bunch of peanut butter, jerk off all over yourself, and cry yourself to sleep, but instead you go to the gym, is that lying? Yea, I think of that counterpoint a lot too. I think it depends on the values of the person. Some people would be happier one way and others another way. socializing is neither of those things. What is it then? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:27 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yea, I have problems with all social conventions. This is probably the true root of my problems with women. To me, make up is lying. I can only see this issue in black and white. It's just the way I'm wired. And I think the world would be a better place if I could tell my SO other girls are better than her and it'd be ok. If we accepted that we are just matched with SMV and/or we are choosing each other despite higher SMV options. To me, that is a beautiful world. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:25 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I'm not sure what to say. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:20 PM |
| 2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I was watching a lecture once about over population and the speaker opened by telling a tale of this particular species of deer. Males of this species impressed females by their size of their antlers as it was both a sign of fitness and useful in fights. Over the generations the size of the antlers grew bigger and bigger as those deer with the biggest antlers were selected for. Eventually, they become huge and by a stroke of luck an environmental change occurred which effected the abundance of a… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:19 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yea, I agree with the last part, but I definitely think even the highest SMV guys from an objective standpoint can fuck up if they don't socialize correctly. And I mean what is socializing, at the end of the day, other than successfully appealing to people's biases? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:05 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Maybe it is just your confrontational, argumentative personality that defeats you. A lot of people don't like this facet of me, but it's necessary to get at the truth in these matters I think. Honestly I think the repulsion to this facet of me has more to do with people being egotistical with their beliefs than me being so. I am merely doubting and asking questions. It's other people who are insulting me and or trying to appeal to emotions. If you are not having any luck convincing women to slee… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 10:04 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Cool. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:59 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?It's funny you should mention that because I do think it's a sign of a species wide immaturity that we need clothes to cover ourselves. I think we'd be much more than we are now if we could handle people just being naked on the street universally. Clothes obviously serve a function for warmth and protection, but the emotional need to be covered I think does get at a need in humans to perceive ourselves differently from what we actually are for some reason. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:57 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Eh, I won an award for most talkative when I was kindergarten. I think it's who I am. I mean what you are saying is certainly true, but it's a difficult thing. We can learn and edit ourselves, but there are limits both in terms of what we can accomplish and what we can happily accomplish. And often it seems completely arbitrary. Like who cares if I'm talking a bit more than average? Does that make me undate-able? Idk, it just seems that my behavior makes me pussy repellant at the end of the day. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:55 PM |
| -2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's remarkable to me. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:51 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That was a very interesting scene. Thanks for sharing it. I've never seen the movie, but I may check it out. It can't be fake. If someone gives you instructions on how to build a bomb, and you build one, it's not a fake bomb because they were not your instructions. That's really not rational. I agree ultimately in a definitional way. Anything that you can do and choose to do is you. That, however, doesn't take into consideration natural tendencies or what is naturally enjoyed. For example, and I… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:41 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Ok, but aren't some of the components of sexual attractiveness have to do with acting a certain way in front of women? And if that way isn't natural it is better (as in more conducive to getting sex and romance) to manufacture those responses like agree and amplify falsely than answering sincerely? And if that is true doesn't that mean there can be an element of dishonesty involved? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:14 PM |
| -2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Calling me weird is just rhetoric. I'm interested in logical discussion. I am here because I think there is truth to a lot of the methods and theoretical framework about seduction here. I am trying to find a way to resolve personal and logical issues I see with what is expressed here and myself. Because I have no success with women and want to change that, but at the same time don't want to have to basically alter every thing about me for it. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:12 PM |
| -2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?When you nice guy up and make covert contracts with a woman by pretending you have a vagina, you're lying to her. What? I have no idea what that means. Men who are just men are not lying about anything. Why the fuck would we lie? We're not cowards, so lying is off the table. Well, some of the ideas that I have about why it's lying is in the comments in response to others. The main idea is that when ever I do what comes naturally to me I fail always. So I am not lying or being cowardly and I fail… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:08 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?What are you talking about? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:05 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I mean I responded point by point and you say 3 sentences. You are trying to over ride the details with these vague all encompassing assumptions. I guess that sort of stuff works on women and most people cause they are stupid, but not me. If you can show me how my actual ideas are flawed I'd be happy to change my mind. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 09:05 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Well, I am naturally talkative so it's not a hypothetical at all. I don't enjoy not talking. Even when I've tried it briefly and gotten some success (sort of) I'm bursting to say a lot more. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 08:56 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Wow. Are you good looking? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 08:55 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I figured that you are a shallow thinker and a waste of time. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 08:55 PM |
| -3 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Did you mean decrease? Also, this isn't lying. Increasing the value of the person who did it not the person it's being done to. It is lying if you would have validated them save for something you read on the internet that said you shouldn't imo. Having a life and other intrests that occupy your time isn't lying. Unless you don't. Also, often it's encouraged to make it seem like you have those things deliberately to give a specific impression. What if it is just so happens you are free every time… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 08:53 PM |
| -4 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's such a stupid response. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 08:45 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Yeah, but you're thinking it's a lie. It's not. I think this is debatable. I'm fine using it as a tactic to alter one's internal belief systems, but when it's used to change how one actually interacts directly then it is just fakery. What I mean, more specifically, if one fakes that one is worth an attractive woman's time then that's fine imo. You are talking about your own internal framework and I think it's reasonable to assume, even an ugly man, can be valuable to a high SMV woman. This is di… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 08:45 PM |
| -3 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Withholding validation to increase their value, being unavailable, pretending you have other girls or plates when you don't, not complimenting on looks, negging, handling shit tests in a way that "works" rather than what is natural... etc. I mean I could go on for a while about things that are accepted by TRP that are dishonest, but I've named a few right there. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:51 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?What if you are naturally talkative? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:44 PM |
| -2 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Faking it is a part of it. I mean "fake it till you make it" is a popular piece of advice here. And a lot of the things that are suggested like being frugal with validation is arbitrary and have nothing really to do with making oneself a better person and completely to do with adapting to take-it-for-granted nature of others. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:44 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Care to explain and help me rather than just criticize? | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:26 PM |
| -6 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?That's like observing a politician and saying "When did he say that he condones lying?" A successful politician would never say that and almost all of them demonstrably do if you look deeper into what they say and what they do. In a similar way, while TRP and alphas rarely directly say lie, they suggest methods which inevitably to some will be so opposite to their nature and intentions that there's nothing in them that will allow them to act that way save faking it. I am such a person and thus I… | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:18 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?Well, it depends on what we are talking about, no? I mean the opposite extreme view is often taken here where anything TRP is inherently honest. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:12 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I have for a while. I can't internalize it. It's just not me. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:11 PM |
| -1 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I did. You haven't read what I wrote. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 07:10 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to seduce a woman honestly?I can't get anyone though. | /r/askTRP | 02/08/14 06:59 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I see now the source of our miscommunication. I don't view BP and RP as real things. To me, they are approximations of what works and vague philosophies. Honestly, when I come here I sometimes feel like I am reading the writings of a faceless cult. Even the metaphor itself, of being unplugged to a great and secret truth, is very narcissistic and inclusive. So I don't pay too much heed some of the stuff. I do feel there are some truths expressed here that are not expressed else where which is why… | /r/askTRP | 24/07/14 12:16 AM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I've never really seen a woman blow people off for a guy. I don't much social experience at all especially with women. I do agree that when ever people say they are busy it's bull shit, but I only learned that indirectly by observing from afar and realizing that people are always selfish and that everyone spends time with someone. | /r/askTRP | 21/07/14 10:58 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I wanted to say that I appreciate you sharing as much as you did, but I got caught up in wanting to make my point so I neglected to say so. I don't think I can agree with your dissection between logic and emotion. On one level I understand what you are saying, but I think more deeply emotions are always why we make decisions. In the example of trying to get women one my make the distinction between acting like a BP (following one's heart) vs a RP approach (being logical), but at the end of the d… | /r/askTRP | 21/07/14 10:56 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.Well, their nature does affect a lot. It affects what one has to do, what relationships are like, whether someone's nature is predisposed to being successful, whether the means and the success itself will produce happiness. I could go on, but I think I've illustrated my point. I do appreciate what you are saying too. I think it's the practical and necessary thing to do. | /r/askTRP | 19/07/14 05:45 AM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.What drives me is my libido and my desire for companionship. That's about it. Eliminate those and I would denounce this species completely. There's a lot of building up the ability to be successful with women and socializing, but I think that's still being plugged in. Truly being free is being ok with either outcome and not needing a thing. Kind of like how, to use The Matrix films again, Neo at the end finally just gives in to Smith and is only then able to be the one like no other and end the … | /r/askTRP | 19/07/14 05:38 AM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.But natural doesn't necessarily mean good right? | /r/askTRP | 19/07/14 05:17 AM |
| 2 | Asking a girl when she's free.I don't think I'd be able to forgive women as a whole for making me go through what I've had to go through to be honest. Even if I become very desirable. Even now when a girl is interested (absurdly rare occurrence) it's very easy to get disgusted by seeing their nature in action even if it's in my favor. And that's when I'm desired. When I'm not it's obviously worse. Honestly, if there was a life like fem bot I could buy I would just buy one and just fuck it and be happy. | /r/askTRP | 18/07/14 03:25 AM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.Women's nature being the sickness? | /r/askTRP | 18/07/14 03:16 AM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I understand what you are saying and agree with its essence. My only issue is that, in my case at least, my SMV is so low that it seems the only reactions I get are lukewarm or hostile. | /r/askTRP | 17/07/14 11:43 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.Generally, I do in some form, but the truth of the matter is if I like a girl my aim is to spend time with her. The details of what is done, unless truly uncomfortable, unlikable or impossible for me to agree to, are irrelevant. | /r/askTRP | 17/07/14 11:42 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I understand this, but in some ways it is almost incomprehensible and so utterly disagreeable, I can't, but feel both inept and disgusted. | /r/askTRP | 17/07/14 11:40 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.Why do you say that method is easier? Also, could you explain why it is not beta? I have heard many, like the commenter immediately below us, suggest it is. | /r/askTRP | 17/07/14 11:39 PM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I forget how dumb, selfish and intolerant of emotions women (people really though) can be. If it was me I know for certain the first way is, without any question, the way to my heart and mind. I don't view as dependency or bending over backward, but merely a sign of respect and desire. Tough to change when, at your core, you see things a different way. | /r/askTRP | 17/07/14 07:03 AM |
| 1 | Asking a girl when she's free.I've heard that, but idk. If someone invites me like in the first way it's off putting to me. It signals they aren't willing or aren't thinking about setting time for me. It's like I'm just tagging along and they don't care if I really want to do that thing or if I can at that time. The second shows that they defer to my will, are considerate and want me there. This is my personal perspective at least. | /r/askTRP | 17/07/14 05:06 AM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.I understand what you are saying, but I don't understand how it applies to what I was saying. Could you explain? | /r/TheRedPill | 22/06/14 07:42 PM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.Why, then, is being a challenge talked about so much here and else where when it comes to attracting women? They default to thinking of themselves as the challenge to be overcome, because they want a man who can overcome a challenge. This is the root of shit tests, after all. If women liked a challenge then it would be men dishing out the shit instead. That's a rather ugly perspective that women have. | /r/TheRedPill | 21/06/14 03:43 AM |
| 2 | Beta males are the real challenge.What a waste of both our times. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/06/14 03:54 PM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.Yea, which goes to show that, in the end, it's not really the challenge aspect that is attractive. It's the drama aspect and all that. And the distinction is important especially when you have people talking about being a challenge all the time as a way of attracting women. The advice is, at best, misleading and at worst wrong. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/06/14 03:45 PM |
| 4 | Beta males are the real challenge.Are you sure that's the point of flaking? Isn't it just the girl being not interested enough with all of what you are saying coming into play as a secondary subconscious result rather than cause of the flaking and the aftermath? As for the second thing, I suppose one could say it is debatable, but generally it's not the amused, nonchalant, unaffected and self-assured poise that so often characterizes alpha behavior. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/06/14 03:38 PM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.Yea, but conventional wisdom is that women like challenges and like alphas because they are challenges, yet betas are challenges too. Thus, we must admit being a challenge is not really why alphas are attractive. | /r/TheRedPill | 20/06/14 03:36 PM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.Yea, that's the conventional way of looking at it. I am challenging that overall idea in this post. I could also add that all of that is quite meaningless. What matters is not whether or not someone has options, but whether they are right for you. And the lack of deference to the partner would, to me, show they don't care. | /r/askTRP | 20/06/14 02:48 PM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.I agree it's a spectrum though according to this subreddit only being an alpha attracts women. All I know really, when it comes to me, is that girls rejecting me is an absolute. At the end anything I post is simply trying to fix that. | /r/askTRP | 20/06/14 02:33 PM |
| 1 | Beta males are the real challenge.My mistake. I will post it in TRP. | /r/askTRP | 20/06/14 02:30 PM |
| 1 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?I'm going to make a separate post about this because I think it points to a contradiction of TRP. | /r/askTRP | 16/06/14 10:59 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?Sorry for the late response. If that is true than it shows that it's very much about having a particular perspective on things not simply being confident in the perspective you have as is often repeated here. And that, if it be true, shows that being yourself (and I don't mean that as being lazy and accepting that or how is often characterized here, but rather pursuing your own lifestyle) is counter productive to getting women. That there are simply better choices one can make to get women and t… | /r/askTRP | 14/06/14 11:41 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?Sorry for the late response. The only thing I feel I need to work on is getting more ambition and direction in life. Creating and pursuing some goals and accomplishing things. But as always there seems to be a disconnect between what you are and what others perceive as and that one must become acquainted not just with how to be alpha, but how to appear alpha. | /r/askTRP | 14/06/14 11:29 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Sorry for the late response. I think this is all an aesthetic concern though. In my view, we are both mutually the prize. I would not pursue if I did not want and think I could give something of value. It seems though, in a world such as ours, unless you display in excessive amounts that you think the world of yourself and unless you create a scarcity about yourself that is completely artificial to, at the very least, a personality such as mine then you are simply a lower tier male. It seems ver… | /r/askTRP | 14/06/14 11:26 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?Explain please. | /r/askTRP | 10/05/14 05:35 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?You don't have real confidence. I think that's a big assumption based on how little I shared, but I may be wrong. Can you tell me why you think so? I really cared about peoples' opinions of me. Then I discovered TRP and started getting laid and I learned to just trust my own opinion and now the impact of others' views doesn't affect me nearly as much. I do trust my opinion of myself. I also give allowance to consider what others say; Others can see things you can't and everyone's opinion is base… | /r/askTRP | 10/05/14 03:50 AM |
| 0 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?There's your problem! You'll have trouble finding a woman that isn't turned off by this behavior, but even if you do get in touch with a girl 'from your league' or w/e you'd like to call it -> from your description it's safe to assume that you are failing shit tests left and right; basically you are destined to fail. This is what you need to fix first and foremost. I don't really want to pass their shit tests though. I think the whole concept of shit tests is disgusting honestly. I don't want to… | /r/askTRP | 10/05/14 02:20 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?I'd imagine being both of at the same time is what a successful sex addicts life is like. And that's just 1 example. | /r/askTRP | 10/05/14 02:14 AM |
| 1 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?Can you explain? | /r/askTRP | 09/05/14 09:47 PM |
| 0 | Is it possible to be a needy alpha?You have established opinions that you aren't afraid to speak, but that doesn't really mean much in terms of alpha / beta personality types. I don't see how that doesn't really mean much. This basically says I am not a push over. If you are too emotional for your own comfort, and those emotions are easily influenced by how others view you or what they say, you have boundary issues that need fixing. Some times I am too emotional for my own comfort and some times I am not. It's a little weird for … | /r/askTRP | 09/05/14 09:46 PM |
| 3 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I will read it, but it will take a bit of time. I will get back to you when I am done. | /r/askTRP | 03/05/14 12:48 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Sorry for taking so long to respond. That's enough. When you have that feeling you need to act on it with purpose. You must assume she's has been waiting for you to pierce her pussy all her natural born life. She is lucky to have your in your presence. From that position act accordingly. The tactics will come, but in your current state you need progress. I think I can do something like this. Perhaps a bit more emotionally based rather than just about her wanting to fuck me. Silly they are most d… | /r/askTRP | 03/05/14 12:48 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.You have to learn to be open to the moment and that is there. Simply be in the moment that you are living. I'll agree to that. Graduate? What do you want to do in life? No, I am only half away done and then I dropped out. I am unsure what I want to do in life which is a problem I am currently trying to work my way through. You can't have a paralleling existentialist argument while you're seeking a goal that is in many ways the opposite of existentialist ideas. You have to have certainty even tho… | /r/askTRP | 24/04/14 02:48 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Oddly enough I kind of do believe that about myself now. I just don't think my availability is scarce. I think I am a rare type of person who is looking for people to share my gifts with. | /r/askTRP | 24/04/14 02:40 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I agree that tough love can be necessary I just think ignoring someone totally is kind of fucked up. I do believe there are ways and ways of sending a certain message though. At the same time you can't deny much of RP is about artificial scarcity and other artificial set ups like that because they purportedly work. | /r/askTRP | 23/04/14 11:25 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Because your view of the experience, but importantly adds considerations that will block your ability to assess success or progress. It's best to be open to the moment by moment, even if that means pain or dissatisfaction. Not sure what you mean here. I don't see how the views that I have about, as far as I see it, the facts of sex can do what you are saying. Change yourself and your friends will change. Working on it. Part of the problem is that I am basically a hermit at this stage in my life … | /r/askTRP | 23/04/14 11:16 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Even on the scientific level sex is hopelessly vague. My point is that you are presupposing feelings for something you and yet to experience. The problem with this is that you are introducing unreasonable bias into the entire. This bias will harm or exaggerate the actual event's relevance to your life. How does the bias manifest in the answer that I gave? How can it manifest if I when I were to actually have it? Empathy is something you can learns. So you are saying you don't have any friends? I… | /r/askTRP | 23/04/14 01:16 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.There's too much conjecture here without foundation of reality. The sex you have will constantly skew the baseline. Humans are much too complicated to focus on sex as gentian stimulation. Why do you say there is conjecture here? It's a fact that sex feels good physically and that sex is connected with emotional, psychological and social elements. I think what I am saying is kind of elemental even if it's vague. What do other people think? I'm not sure. I know I do have flaws. I can be moody thou… | /r/askTRP | 22/04/14 10:39 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.No, those are the options, but the factor which is omitted is what I am capable of. I don't believe I am able to act in a TRP way. I am too fragile, too inexperienced, too caring, too philosophically opposed to indifference to do it. I am trying to change my behavior, however. Recently, I am trying to be ok with making myself ok with being vulnerable and very honest with women about my intentions and making bolder moves. I just don't like the idea of ignoring someone to create some artificial sc… | /r/askTRP | 22/04/14 10:26 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.You are basically saying this woman filtered me out because I am not suitable for mating. Where's the lesson in that? | /r/askTRP | 22/04/14 10:20 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.They are never really dicks to me. They just ignore me or don't reciprocate or give what I want. One example that happened recently and that I mentioned before is with this girl I met 2 weeks ago. We met through mutual friends and we chatted for a bit. It was a little awkward at times, but overall it seemed to be ok. She mentioned a show and how it was great and all and I told her to text me the name of the show and I'll let her know what I thought. I watched the first episode a couple days late… | /r/askTRP | 22/04/14 12:08 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I just don't believe becoming a hedonist (which is what you describe, I think) will solve my problems. Besides I do act that way toward people. If I want to call them I call them. If I want to go out with them I reach out. I go for the things I want. So I'd argue that helps prove being more hedonistic would fix things for me. That's in addition to the fact all of these ideas about ethics or whatever have come from me and are part of my nature as is the desire to fulfill them to make me happy. An… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 11:33 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.What do you mean feel good? (this may seem laborious, but it's important that you explain this) I suppose it depends on the sex that is happening. There is a baseline physical pleasure from the stimulation of the genitals, I'd imagine. There is also a social validation feeling attached to it. If the sex is more serious it could be like spiritually fulfilling or something. I am just guessing though as I am a virgin. What are you methods to show value, or at least possibility of reward for the oth… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 11:24 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.When you say seeking constancy you are presupposing an aversion to acceleration of a relationship. In other words you are afraid of having aan amazing feeling and then quickly participating to despair. Instead you want to maintain a relation in stasis level. The thing is pickup is all about acceleration, which is a big reason why there is a apprehension. The mindset in pickup is to be comfortable with with ascending or declining feelings at any given point, and then ceasing the moment with the w… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 02:52 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.This ethical debate could take some time so I don't want to get into it fully. The primary problem with what you are saying is that you can literally justify anything. "Being a child rapist makes me happy and making myself happy is the ultimate good and nature's mandate so I should just be that" That's one example. You can replace the beginning with anything and it passes through your system. Which really makes it no ethical system at all imo. Also, I can be a selfish person. I'm no where near p… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 01:36 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.This is the point of relationships. Relationship's very nature are change. This is an immutable fact that you simply have to accept. I mean, yea, everything changes. I think you simply have to change thought to constant speed versus acceleration. In both cases, displacement happens, but the feeling is different. Unfortunately, your desire to avoid acceleration makes relationships improbable for you. I don't think I am avoiding acceleration per se. I try to move relationships forward especially w… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 01:18 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I'm not trolling. I mean I can give a definition like pushover is someone who let's the wills of others or circumstances dominate his will and tryhard as someone who puts more effort than is necessary, acceptable or suggested especially when if their aptitude is subpar. But at the end of the day, we all need social connections even if we have such flaws. | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 07:36 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I don't know and it's causing me a lot of suffering and loneliness. | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 06:54 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Unfortunately constancy isn't possible nor desired. You may also be afraid of becoming the best version of yourself. I desire and I have it in some relationships. I don't know what being the best me has to do with anything. It appears you want to manage relationship to a point that they create zero change. In this way relationships and people are meaningless, but simultaneously you have an issue with sex. Sex is in itself something that facilitates and cause disruption. I think it's just people'… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 06:16 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.What are you talking about? You said no and then said they are relative to the collective perspective of everyone which is what I said. And no I don't really know either type. I don't get anything socially. It's all a mystery to me. I don't understand why anything is the way it is because to me everyone should just be open and free and loving and that's it. | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 06:10 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Push over and try-hard are relative things no? Or they are based on some invisible social standard that one must adhere to regardless of whether the individual, from their perspective, feels or thinks they are doing either. | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 04:58 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Then why not keep doing what you're doing? RP is very sex focused, I don't know how you're going to meld this into your game. I want sex a lot, but I don't want it at any cost. Is that approach hard to understand? I disagree with this idea. In relationships your feelings always go up and down, and often people hold on to the peaks, or memory of the peaks. The peaks help give reason to continue the relationship. That's because people suck imo. I view myself as very different from most people and … | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 04:57 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I don't view my functionality, life quality or life itself as the end of my actions. If I could be persuaded that killing myself would be for the good then I'd do it. My ultimate loyalty, as much as I can muster it, is not to myself. It is to truth and goodness. And I define those things on my own as best I can to be objective, not as it suits my ends. If you met me you'd probably think I'm happy. I laugh openly and freely have a decent sense of humor (I think) and am easy going for the most par… | /r/askTRP | 21/04/14 04:47 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Haha! 25 eh? hmmm for some reason I thought you were in your 40's! I'm interested in why you think that. The first thing about getting a fuck, is getting yourself out there and talking to your 'quarry' (lol) Becoming comfortable and being able to just shoot the shit with 'women/girls' in general, IS THE skill needed to put RP thinking into action. I am completely fine with this and working becoming more fearless in this regard. This is not the part of TRP that I have problems with at all. At thi… | /r/askTRP | 19/04/14 06:07 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I think your communicating just fine. I'm not sure that you really want to adjust your view so that you can have sex with women. Being able to have sex with women is not the ultimate end of my reasoning. So if I seem obstinate it's simply because of that. Lasting relationships aren't stagnant, instead they break, overcome, transcend, grow, etc. Yes, but what I said is there is an element of stagnation not that it is entirely stagnant. For example, if you love someone generally that feeling doesn… | /r/askTRP | 19/04/14 05:59 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Happiness with the results and goodness of the means are in no way necessarily connected though. I like driving a car and many other people do too, but I don't like having to fuck up the environment to do so, to use a non-romantic example. I am sorry if I come off at all antagonistic and I appreciate your well-intentioned act of trying to shake my world view. I def do need it in some form. My problem is, in relation to what you've been saying, I can't look at this from a utilitarian standpoint. … | /r/askTRP | 19/04/14 04:41 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Agreed. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 11:49 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Agreed. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 11:48 PM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I am willing to get our of comfort zone. I am not willing to sell my soul. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 11:47 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I think you've touched upon the core issue here; Other people's ungratefulness. In a sense, all of TRP could be viewed as a way of managing that and all it's philosophy some what dishonest for not admitting that it is this shitty quality in others that makes the rest necessary. So when I act beta and other people don't reciprocate because they are ungrateful how can I be viewed as the bad or dishonest guy? Is it not them and their nature entirely? | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 11:47 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Well, I mean, what more is there to life than living in accordance to truth and goodness? Everything else seems secondary. That's not to say my principles alone can make me happy in a masturbatory fashion, but I do think they are of prime importance. I have been thinking about them for some time, but no matter how I always come to the conclusion that what I am doing is right and it is the negative qualities of others that do not allow me to achieve bonds. I'll give an example of someone I met re… | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 10:51 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I think we are not understanding each other. It seems like I may not be expressing myself completely or accurately enough and/or you are looking at things from a certain lens rather than taking what I am saying for what it is. I will try to explain myself better in case it's my fault. So you're arguing that the highest form of relationship is transient and unstable in nature? Not at all. I am arguing the direct opposite. It is the relationships we value inherently and whose value are immovable t… | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 10:34 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I'm not sure I agree with what you are saying. I think a relationship that starts off intensely is fine. You can enjoy a thing for what it is in and of itself; It doesn't have to be about where it's going or what you gain from it. I'd argue that's the highest form of a relationship. Also, the idea of earning something like that sounds a little crazy. Not the theory, but the fact that a person can think like that. It's absurd to me. As for the continuation of the 747 metaphor, there is something … | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 09:42 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Sometimes they do, that is true. I do believe in deal breakers. Some things are just not acceptable or bearable. Right now I just want to fuck as many attractive girls as possible. I am 25 and a virgin so my chance to sow my wild oats are coming to a close soon and I have so much to catch up on. Eventually, I'd like to find love, if that exists at all. Though even in those sexual relations I'd like there to be genuine care. I am not an indifferent person. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 07:36 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I feel if one continually questions something they can reach any conclusion regardless of how far it is from the truth. I feel I have a good grip on what is right and truthful at this point. I could be wrong, but I worry that what you are suggesting is self deception rather than self enlightenment. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 07:33 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I try and maximize the potential of the relationships with all people I meet. It's always the other person who is the limiting factor I feel. To define it more specifically, the more intimate and close the better. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 07:30 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Those are not mutually exclusive unless you define alpha as being honest inherently for some reason and beta the opposite with beta. If I am beta or nice to someone then I believe I am communicating quite honestly and directly that I want to establish a relationship with the person. I mean it's not like alphas go up to hot chicks and say "I want to have sex with you because of your looks." Shit, that approach breaks so many of the tenets here. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 07:29 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I agree we are sophisticated animals and I guess I'm mostly interested in people who can rise above it. Other than that I suppose it's just people who have something superficial I can gain from them and even then I want something real in the relationship. I can flex, but generally, if I get annoyed about something to the point I feel I need to ask for change, it's a relationship deal breaker. The little things I tend not to mention because I accept them silently. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 04:10 AM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Alphas masquerade their true intentions with what is socially appropriate while claiming to be honest. Alphas assume all sorts of things like the girl will like them, abundance mentality stuff, they are the prize etc. I invest in every relationship till it doesn't work out in some way. I always assume investment. I also get attached very easily so it comes more naturally to go with that attachment than to go against it. I can get obsessive, but it usually doesn't show itself until after I get re… | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 03:58 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.It's made me get more specific on my problems with being alpha and getting with women. I am going to post a few other more specific questions on here to address those issues. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 03:50 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Your message is confusing to me. What do you mean by gifts exactly? You aren't referring to passion. You are just talking about yourself and what you do. And you haven't said anything about the ladies except no relationship happens. It implies that you are selfishly giving yourself to women, and they are accepting with no reason to reciprocate. What does this part mean? As for the 747 metaphor, I generally think by being how I am I automatically weed out those who can't handle a 747 while attrac… | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 03:33 AM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I do have a lot of fear and insecurity and I am pro getting rid of all that. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 03:30 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Idk, I get shunned so fast I doubt any fair evaluation is made. | /r/askTRP | 18/04/14 03:22 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I am going to start doing this. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:21 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Ha ha, Alpha Jesus! I'll try and keep that in mind. I don't agree that they are complimentary when you look deep down. There is a certain malice or indifference that seems to accompany attracting women that is irreplaceable. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:21 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Yea, idk what keeps women on their toes. I don't ever feel I'm on my toes with other people. I've never really experienced that so I can't even begin to understand what they seek. The closest I've come is people who are inconsistent and that just annoys me and makes me demand they change or end the relationship. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:19 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Thanks lol. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:16 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I am happy being beta because it's what I see as good, peaceful and kind. I am unhappy with alphaness because it's selfish to a degree that creates a worse world. I am comfortable with beta because it creates a layer of politeness around things. I am uncomfortable with alphaness because it tries to break that politeness. I am not sure there is a flaw in that thinking. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:16 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.No I know I need to work on myself and I am doing so. I like to show my flaws to a certain extent though. I think people reveal their character when you see how they treat those who they think are below them and I am very interested in seeing that in others. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:15 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.What's wrong with my approach besides how other people tend to respond to it? | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:13 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Well, I mean it's so relative what we are talking about. I am willing to have open and deep things from moment one of meeting someone. To some I am sure that is too much to me, it's logical and feels right. This whole idea of someone earning a thing is just too relative and kind of arbitrary imo. I just put my best foot forward and hope people respond in the same way and if they don't then usually there is no relationship to be had. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:13 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I'm not though lol. I want to make other people happy. It makes me happy.I want to have intense relationships with everyone and that makes me happy too. I don't feel there is any conflict with me being dishonest with myself. I think it's more about there being a conflict between what the world expects and what I show. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:11 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I would like people to reciprocate if I cat beta. I don't think there is anything wrong with that idea. And I don't really like or adhere to abundance mentality stuff. I think it's kind of a sham. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:09 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.You sound like you come off needy and invest too much too early. Now if you can do this with confidence you might have a chance. I make friends quite fast but I come from a position of power so its easier. I'm not sure what you mean. Be friendly but not overly friendly creepy guy. Once people know you then go as friendly as you want but dont be a doormat! No respect and true friendships come from that. I'm not a doormat. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:08 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Dishonesty is not necessary, don't worry. You're compliments will carry more weight if you don't give them out freely. You'll like that better. I think dishonesty is very necessary. If I see a beautiful girl the first thing on my mind is her beauty. If I approach her 95% of the time it's cause of what she looks like. To then pretend like she needs to do something else to have my interest is a lie. She already has it. She can lose it if she's a bitch and gain it if she's cool, but she already has… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:08 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Well, how is that any different from what you do now? You probably pretend your shit does stink My shit does stink. Everyone's does. I am merely adhering to reality by believing in this. That's the central and important difference between those "high value" people and me. So it's very different. You give people attention to make them feel comfortable around you because you think people like that about you. I do it because I want them to feel good and because I know it makes me feel good when peo… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 11:02 PM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Yea, I do need to work on having a more solid mission in life. I am quite lost at this point. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:50 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I only have a social life because I assert myself. And that gets tiring. Sometimes I just want to be called or texted. I want to know someone desires me for something I didnt start. I mean, it's a sign of caring is it not? When someone reaches out to you. What can I think if no one does that? Trust me, it's not a matter of passiveness; It's a matter of no one ever returning my investment in them. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:49 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I think I do have strong, but pliable (in a giving other people a chance way) boundaries. It's just that people don't want to deal with me so it doesn't even get to the point where I met need to assert them. When people act poorly toward me I do bite back as it were or confront them in a calm, logical and empathic manner. But I always seem to end up alone no matter what I do. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:44 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.It's not so simple though. I don't inherently enjoy the things I would have to do to get those cock rewards. Thus, dissonance and unhappiness is inevitable. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:41 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Lol? I am not a doormat. I never get taken advantage of. I just don't get included. There's a big distinction there. And I don't know how you can say people like me are what is wrong with the world. Also, please keep your emotions out of this. I'm interested in logical discourse. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:39 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.It's possible I may have low testosterone. I wouldn't discount something like that. I am going to start working out and taking a martial arts class soon. I just don't think there's anything wrong with how I am in and of itself (outside of my looks perhaps). It's always how other people react that makes me unhappy. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:38 PM |
| 0 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I find nothing wrong with being a slut both in the traditional sense and in this sense. I think the world would be a much better place if everyone was a slut in both ways (with proper precautions of course). And since my starting point is so radical, it's hard for me to be persuaded by what you are saying. And it's not like I ignore the trading aspect of relationships either; I just want that to be in the background as much as possible. If the trade isn't working then that can be dealt with, but… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:37 PM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Conveniently, your first statement serves as a good example of how I differ, in my perception, from most people. You make your statement as a fact. You don't say "I think, you are confusing a few things" or something to that effect; You state it as if you know it to be true. This bothers me tbh. It's as if you give no allowance to the possibility to the fact that you may be wrong for whatever reason. And from a TRP standpoint I imagine that persuades people. You are speaking with confidence or t… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 10:31 PM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I don't consider myself BP. I see the filth that people are. I just... want to be above, I guess. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 06:04 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.It's presumptuous to assume attraction which is what RP suggests. Dishonesty is an inherent part of socializing and romance. I just think that's a fact. Complimenting like saying "You're pretty" or something like that just because I feel to say it. The problem with being excitable is that women like men who are not too eager in liking them. That's one of the tenets here I'd argue. I care for everyone deeply and quickly. It repels. I agree with what you say about investment, but I mean it more in… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 06:04 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I don't really ever get taken advantage of. People don't use me; They ignore and exclude me. I am not important enough or they see no way to use me. And sometimes when things come up I stand my ground. I still get no girls. Why is this a brave post? | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 06:01 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Eh, what I think does not just revolve around women. I also care about being a certain type of person, following certain philosophies and living a good life. It's just that I'm in the denial phase. I see how stupid and selfish people are everyday; I accept it, but I dislike it and want no part of it. If not for the fact that I get lonely and horny I would be completely content to be alone for the rest of my days. What is the top 10% like? | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 06:00 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I'd like to be able to pull like that, but I need to take smaller steps as you hint at. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:57 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I don't see anything note worthy about being alpha though. You pretend like your shit don't stink and you are amazing and dumb ass people believe it. You ignore people to create a scarcity about you and dumb ass people want you more. You invoke psychological tricks that dumb ass people can't see through. I mean I could go on and on. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:57 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I do this more or less already. I get 0 pussy for 25 years. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:55 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I don't view those as contradictions. I speak of 2 different aspects of myself. I would be unhappy too if I had to be pure alpha. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:55 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Yes, he certainly was alpha, you are right. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:54 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Yes, it is only because of my social proactiveness that I have any social experiences. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:53 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I will look into that. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 05:53 AM |
| 1 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I think this is a bit different from being a fat slob. And I am not a door mat. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 03:31 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Yea, I am going to try what you mention in the first paragraph. I still want to fuck as many women as possible. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 02:22 AM |
| 9 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Thank you for your compliment. I am actually trying to undergo the same changes that you are talking about. This, to me, seems to be the only sane solution for someone like me. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 02:20 AM |
| 3 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I am really trying to solve this. There are some alpha traits I like and have, but who I am just doesn't work. I know I am very needy and fearful, but it's so hard to change. I would be happy if I had a richer social and sexual life. I am trying to accomplish that, but it evades me so much. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 02:19 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I see what you are saying, but that is more of a proof than the necessary path for it being a choice. I could say "I can't say you don't like a cock in the ass until I've taken it" But I do know because it's a matter of taste. I think the same can apply here. There are aspects of what you are saying that is true though. For example, I am rather undisciplined with working out and there no morality attached to that. Other things are like negging or using a particular sense of humor or pretending o… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 02:03 AM |
| 4 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I am happy and comfortable being beta. I am uncomfortable and unhappy with alphaness. I am uncomfortable and unhappy with my social situation. That is how comfort and happiness comes into play with this problem. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 01:50 AM |
| 3 | I love being beta, but hate the results.I do like it. I'm not religious at all, but I think Jesus was the perfect human. I want to be just like that only fucking a lot of women. That would make me perfectly happy. And I don't think society really tells us to be beta. It does in some ways, but overwhelmingly I see people's egos running everything. Movies and TV shows all explore things that satisfy the ego. I go on facebook and all I see is one ego based post over the other. Rarely do people care about being good. I, stupidly, do. A hi… | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 01:48 AM |
| 2 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Well, I want both and that's what makes this so difficult. I enjoy being beta intrinsically while I enjoy being alpha only for perceived results. Each half fulfills one thing, but I can't be both because they contradict each other directly which is kind of devastating tbh. Your second question is a good and logical one, but I would fire back with "What good is getting what you want if you betray who you are or want to be for it?" There is something in humans that makes us want to have integrity … | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 01:40 AM |
| 10 | I love being beta, but hate the results.Well, the results make me lonely to the point of severe depression and reclusiveness. | /r/askTRP | 17/04/14 01:25 AM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?I mean I can only guess the idea is that everyone believes it's a lost cause and they are trying to convince me to forget about it. | /r/askTRP | 24/03/14 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?We could go back and forth on this all day and prove nothing. I came for practical advice on how to remedy a fuck up not a pseudo psychological analysis based on a single post. | /r/askTRP | 24/03/14 01:18 AM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?I mean you can also read things on the manosphere about how being persistent like hell works too. I'm not looking to be a drone of the manosphere; I just want some practical advice on the most optimal route I can take with this girl. If it doesn't work out I'll forget about it, but I'd like to exhaust my options. | /r/askTRP | 24/03/14 12:27 AM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?Thank you for actually answering my question. This was along the lines of what I was thinking only more detailed. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 07:04 PM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?I agree with that. I guess the consensus is that the situation is totally ruined since no one seems to want to give me advice on this thing. O well, I'll just do it my way I guess. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 06:24 PM |
| 2 | Have I ruined my chances?I'm working on it, man. I just want a bit of advice on this current predicament that's all. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 06:22 PM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?No one wants to answer the direct question. I'm trying to remedy this specific situation. I know to approach. I know to build my self esteem. What I don't know is how to damage control this shit. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 04:18 PM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?Is it really that hopeless? I mean it seems so drastic for something that's kind of small. Just a few words and moment of insecurity... I agree that I have won in the grand scheme. I kind of just want to know how to win the small battle for physical pleasure. Eh, I think online and in person to meet at first is ok. It's just a means to meet. Of course eventually people need an in person connection. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 04:01 PM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?I want to meet up and fuck her. I just want to know what I could possibly do to make that happen. That's it. I'm not in love or some shit lol. It was just a way of saying it. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 03:20 PM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?I mean it's not that much effort. The preoccupation is bad though. That's something I'm trying to get over and that I have been making progress. I'd be able to get over it quickly. I agree with the advice, but I still want to know if and how I can salvage the situation. I would like to make it work. And we all fuck up sometimes right? Edit: I also don't think meeting her online or not really makes a difference. It's all the same to me. | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 01:52 PM |
| 1 | Have I ruined my chances?Ok, so you think I'm blowing things out of proportion and just need to, generally to get in more control of my tendency to over analyze? I agree, if so. Any advice on the particular situation though? | /r/askTRP | 23/03/14 01:32 PM |
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