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BecretAlbatross/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 07:13 PM
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I think men being dangerous is an important part of the equation, but I do think society also relies on the average man for a lot of the "necessary gruntwork" regarding infrastructure. Because of modern technology, we don't need as many men as we used to, but men are still needed to keep a lot of things running smoothly. From a top down perspective, keeping these men at least somewhat content is important.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/25 05:37 PM
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Absolutely true but I was just trying to list all the potential reasons it doesn't work. The whole "emperors used to have concubines and it was fine" doesn't work in a society where the average man has access to any kind of weaponry.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 09:07 PM
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Haha well let's say that Doinit is right about low value men. It still doesn't matter. We have firearms now. The amount of damage that lonely dangerous men can do is extremely high. It's societies problem once they become unhappy. Also, the amount of power the remaining men have will still lead to the oppression of women so this model you're imagining won't be great for them either.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:17 PM
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OP, the solution is actually really simple. Nature favors masculine men and feminine women. So if society and population collapse, men will have to be masculine and women will have to be feminine. Women are able to be independent because of modern luxuries. As soon as these collapse things will just go back to being more like a 3rd world country. A truly polygamous society is like, small tribe type deal. Ghengis Khan and dynasties aren't possible with the invention of firearms. The modern world …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 05:14 PM
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Nah. This is really silly. The reason that populations were able to grow as big as they are now are due to enforced monogomy. Polgamous society IS possible but it can't sustain anywhere near the same amount of people. There are a huge percentage of men who maintain the infrastructure who are solely motivated by the promise of a wife waiting for them at home when they're done working. If they can't have that, they aren't going to work hard and they aren't going to take up dangerous work/jobs that…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/24 07:08 AM
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Effort to reward ratio
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/23 09:57 PM
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I'm not saying that this applies to me specifically but if women are physically attractive enough to men then nothing else matters unless it has a major affect on the dynamic.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/23 03:29 PM
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The percentage of women who prefer bad boys, or had a bad boy phase that they secretly covet is way too high for this to be relevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/23 05:53 PM
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Not on average. On average white guys have broadest appeal but I agree that if we're literally powerscaling dudes by how many women + how fast they could get them to sleep with them, lightskinned black dudes would probably scale highest on average.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/06/23 05:24 PM
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Whether its attraction yet or not doesn't even matter. The fact that women will make an effort where they otherwise wouldn't is literally just as good because assuming you actually qualify their curiosity you generate attraction anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/23 03:09 PM
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Your self awareness and honesty are appreciated in that case. I think both men and women feel gaslit by narratives around dating so conversations like this bring relief to a lot of people.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 06:10 PM
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To be charitable, I feel you and I'm sure your struggle was difficult, but it sounds like a struggle that around 20% of guys go through whereas you're an extreme outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 05:57 PM
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Bro how are you invisible if you were too busy/didn't know what you were looking for BUT STILL went on dates???
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:29 AM
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Age 20 isn't even late. Lots of men don't get any action until way after then. Not close to invisible.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/05/23 11:28 AM
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I wish I was having more sex but no. There's something stimulating that gaming offers that sex doesn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/23 03:33 AM
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I think women tend to be most attracted to men who follow their biological desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/23 07:05 AM
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I think all of these could be true points and it still wouldn't even debunk 20% of the redpill as an ideology tbh
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/23 08:24 PM
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Because it works
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/23 04:08 AM
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Yeah but like I said, people have different goals. Guys don't care as much about quality when it comes to hooking up. Only LTRs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 08:13 PM
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A lot of people don't want good relationships, they want hookups. So they're gonna judge dating coaches based on the metric they're actually looking for. If you want hookups, take advice from a guy who gets a lot of hookups. If you want a relationship, take advice from a guy who's in a good relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/04/23 01:22 PM
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Your profile sounds like a guy pretending to be a girl, but yes, the stuff works insanely well. The truth is that women love bullshit because bullshit is a sign of social intelligence. The game of pretend is exactly what gets girls excited and going. They aren't dumb but it's definitely how they're wired.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/04/23 04:03 PM
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Women don't want men in their 20s lmao
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/23 02:28 PM
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I heard the ratio of men to women is actually really skewed in favor of men in NYC so pretty interesting that you would say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/23 03:19 AM
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This is the true but I'd argue that the behavior of men hasn't changed that much and it's the behavior of women changing the market.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/23 04:01 AM
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I think women are under the impression that a man will keep his word of fidelity when he agrees to enter into a monogamous relationship. I guess the logic is that if she gives up her ability to be with other people, then he should sacrifice that as well. Otherwise they could simply continue t Was going to say this. The broke guys who get married to female breadwinners are Chad Bums. Them cheating shouldn't be surprising either lol
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/23 04:29 PM
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Someone like Selma Hayek is probably a universal 9 at least though I can't see how she wouldn't appeal to people unless they don't like tan skin at all but those guys probably exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:18 AM
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I don't think so. I'm a black guy and I think I'm probably less attracted to white features because of upbringing etc. So a model whos a 10/10 to a lot of guys is a 7/8 to me. When I gi to the perfect 10 subreddit I don't think any of the girls are 10s for example.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/23 01:17 AM
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Nah it's subjective. Every 10 is an 8 to some guy. Lots of 8s are 10s to some guys. It varies depending on what facial features you prefer, hair texture, and body type. It's the reason some guys say Kim Kardashian is fat but other guys say Taylor Swift is a twig. Being an 8 is like, the highest objective number.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/03/23 07:06 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/03/23 02:25 PM
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Tate is dangerous and definitely huge percentage grifter. I think Tate is probably the smartest guy in the manosphere but probably also the most dishonest. Hamza seems more honest. I can empathize with his feelings and the spirit of his videos seems genuine even if I don't agree with everything he says. Not familiar with Balkan Gains.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/23 12:15 PM
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Yeah I have low sex drive but if I actually took up every girl that offered it would be really easy to have rotations of 5-6 girls at a time. Lots of girls are cool sharing or being casual if they're into you enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/03/23 05:58 AM
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Yeah if you want to communicate well, giving off non judgemental vibes is key. I don't judge for the raw number but I do judge people for "how they answer". So I'd say it's a trap in a sense but I don't really care about body count until it gets into the 50s and the person hasn't had committed relationships/has a history of cheating. High body count is an orange flag if anything.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 05:20 PM
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Really fucking good thread imo
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:53 PM
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I've asked almost every girl I've ever dated and it's never been a problem. I don't really mind if it's high but I think asking people about their recent relationships is a sign that you're actually interested in a relationship with them. I think the big deal is the stigma around it but it's a perfectly logical question and as long as you aren't judgmental most women probably won't take it personally. I haven't had a girl stop talking to me for asking before.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/03/23 03:42 PM
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I personally feel this. One of the aspects of male behavior that I genuinely believe is biological. If I don't feel appreciate by a girl I don't want to be around her, no matter how attractive she is.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/23 02:13 PM
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Yup. I think that reasonable people who aren't naive and get their opinions from the internet and didn't grow up around abusive frameworks tend to be purple pilled. All the smartest people I know, male and female are happy to acknowledge the good points from the red pill but also acknowledge when it goes too far or becomes an extremist mindset. It's not that complicated honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/23 06:08 PM
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Personally I cook all of my food. It was just a general statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/23 04:00 AM
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Yeah but I'm sure he meets other basic requirements you have for a man. That's part of why you're able to respect him.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 08:01 PM
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Yes but you have to frame all of your weaknesses from a position of strength and competence. So any issues you have are being taken care of and won't become her problem.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 04:36 PM
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Sounds like you want respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 03:41 PM
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I think sugar babying and escorting aren't sustainable. You can do things like that while you're young but you have to be careful. Intelligent men won't commit to a woman who's too red flaggy, especially if they're older and experienced. I'd argue that marrying a rich guy and having his kids is optimal, but a smart guy who works hard and has potential can be just as good an investment since if he betrays you, you still get paid in the end. I'm sure that hurts but it's best to believe in love but…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:36 PM
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That happening is why the redpill is so popular and there's so much misogyny lol. Imagine having a natural earnest desire to be a workhorse for a girl until you're 15 and a girl uses it against you and hooks up with your bully or some shit. Dramatic example but even more minor cases are enough to make men distrust/hate women. I think I'm able to read social cues super well but I'm never willing to go back to blindly trusting women. I basically return energy +1. So I'll always give you +1 whateve…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:24 PM
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I'd say I agree 50/50. The truth is that women have less leverage over time which really sucks. I think building loyalty in a trustworthy man is the best strategy for long term, but obviously women are going to be less attracted to a regular trustworthy guy. Women are attracted to men with leverge and want to be chosen by men with leverage, but men with leverage have more options and more temptation to stray. I think that contradiction is frustrating to men who aren't chosen, and frustrating to …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:22 PM
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What does anything in the first part have to do with respect? Having respect for each other in a relationship is important for long term relationships to work, imo. I’ve seen too many old couples where they just have no respect anymore in the way they talk to each other, taking the other for granted. However being less experienced and naive has nothing to do with respect that I can see? Those old couples are still together and probably still love each other. Being less experienced and naive dire…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:14 PM
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Sure, I'm not here to tell you to respect men who aren't worthy of respect. I'm just telling you that this is an innate desire of men. A lot of women are good at motivating their men to do better and it's because they understand this mechanic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:10 PM
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It isn't just sex for resources. You also exchange masculine and feminine energy. You exchange trust for trust. So even if it's transactional, you're transacting emotions which is why love is still real even if it's transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:09 PM
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I don't date men so I don't know what percentage of men are like that. I just personally know I'm not like that. But yeah if most men in your culture/area are like that, then that sucks and I'm sorry.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:08 PM
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Don’t be ugly - Not mans choice. Losing weight and lifting can improve your face but only so much don’t be short, - Not a mans choice underweight, - can be fixed weak - can be fixed diminutive, - not a mans choice don’t be incompetent, - can be fixed don’t have a death grip or porn addiction, - can be fixed have a serviceable dick which works without weird shit, - depends on what serviceable dick. Lets say 5 inches is enough for most women. Still leaves out a lot of men. be a masculine presentin…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:07 PM
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Yeah but microplastics in the food are lowering our testosterone levels. It's hard!
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:59 PM
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I think you're only half right. The redpill is about BECOMING the guy who isn't insecure. So naturally it's going to appeal to guys who used to be insecure. The point of the redpill is graduating, so men who are able to do the work, gain muscle, gain social skills, and confidence, will get to a point that they no longer need the redpill. That's the whole appeal. Everyone starts somewhere, and unlike women men have to learn how to attract women. I'd argue that the redpill is as successful as the …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:59 PM
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I absolutely agree and my entire life experience has been a demonstration of how important respect and deference is to men. r/whenwomenrefuse and a shit ton of videos on social media reveal men getting violent because a woman didn’t want to interact with them. Anecdotal, but I’ve been on the receiving end of a ton of aggression and a large majority of people “against ghosting” are men. Completely agree that part of the reason that women have to act compliant towards men is because of safety reas…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:55 PM
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Men don't want a doormat. Men want a woman who doesn't "fight". A woman can still argue but its by being persuasive. Fighting someone and convincing someone with reason are different. That's why men say combatative women are unattractive. It doesn't mean they need to be compliment with everything we say or want.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:29 PM
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I think women need to realize that there's a wall caused by testosterone. Being amped up primes men to compete but we have to do it everywhere so we simply don't want to feel competitive vibes from our girl. Part of femininity is being laid back and letting a man cook and its a huge part of the appeal. I don't blame women for not wanting to be disrespected but women who aren't willing to let men cook will end up alone. Its absolutely exhausting dealing with relationships like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:27 PM
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That "play acting" is pretty much what femininity is. Its probably the best feeling women can give men and it feels so good. Your post genuinely made me feel a twinge of loneliness because you described it so well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:23 PM
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The difference is that a woman's self esteem can be boosted by disrespectful actions (men wanting them sexually). Its why women don't care about respect as much as men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:21 PM
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Well ideally you're actually worthy of the respect you're given. My point is that people want to "be that guy", not that every guy actually deserves that respect. I think most guys want "enough respect to make their lives easier" and not necessarily an unlimited amount of respect though.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:19 PM
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Replace respect with "admiration". The part you're missing is that when men feel appreciated they want to work hard to live up to the expectation. The vast majority of men have a strong hero complex. Being admired by women and respected by men is what activates it. Can't say it's true for 100% of men but at least like 80%
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:15 PM
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No because people don't respect compliant people. You get respect by being productive, honorable, and skilled. So "chase" is just the wrong word.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:12 PM
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I think the "raised as infants theory fails" because the circumstances kids are raised in are too different. Single mothers, single fathers, different cultures. Men and women are still essentially the same. I think sex hormones have too strong an influence on personality. It may only be like 15% but across the entire population it results in a huge difference. I doubt every single family follows exactly gendered stereotypes for their babies. I think men specifically need fathers because testoste…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:44 AM
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Interesting that you consider being respectful feminine. Do you believe men who are respectful of the women they are dating or married to are being feminine? Do you think masculinity means a man should not be respectful of woman he is attracted to? The kind of respect that women want seems to vary more culturally than the kind of respect men want. My statement is more about the respect in the direction towards men. I won't talk about respect towards women expect in a specific instance I'll get t…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:35 AM
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Wait what? No no I didn't say anything like that. I'm not sure where you're coming from at all, clarify? I give everyone I meet a base level of respect. Respecting someone's accomplishments (admiration) and being respectful to someone as a person are different.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 02:00 AM
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I don't think men want you to respect men in general, they want you to respect them if you're dating. I don't care if my girl hates men as long as she respects and admires me. I want femininity from her but I don't expect her to be a housewife and do my dishes etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:52 AM
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That's an assumption that all college educated people are critical thinkers. Obviously going to college is correlated with being smart/introspective but not always. Lots of women are superficial/shallow because they come from families that are higher income/class etc, so I'm not blaming them for being so. It isn't all the education by itself. The status also does matter. Women wouldn't brag to their friends "he's a doctor", "he's a lawyer" if they didn't care.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:51 AM
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Well that's perfectly fine. But I think the manosphere, while a backlash is something of an exaggeration. I'd just take a lot of the general points. Don't be overweight, don't curse or be crude, try to have a somewhat feminine style that compliments your body type/features, exhibit behavior that shows you're honest, be nice to the guy. I think that's pretty much just the female equivalent of asking for Have a job, have a car, have your own place, be confident, have passions that actually matter …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:36 AM
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A lot of people on this forum are bored. I just like to try to argue in good faith to see if people concede, vanish, or are increasingly obtuse in an attempt to throw me off.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:17 AM
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Cool deal. I dig it.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:17 AM
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1. How can men want to feel useful, but constantly complain about being used? How does a woman who’s less experienced translate to respect or admiration? How does naivety translate to respect or admiration? Who likes man whores? I personally respect promiscuous men the least and am turned off by them (thirsty, weak, greedy, no discipline, morals, reckless, careless with their seed, making bastards, likely has STDs…). Men only complain about being used if they aren't getting what they want. Betab…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:15 AM
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I think men respect "competence with women" assuming the guy isn't being a menance to society with his sexuality. So we might look at Magic Johnson and say "that guy's doing too much damage", but you might look at an average handsome A list celebrity and think "he's 55 and can still have any woman he want, respect".
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 01:11 AM
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I think that's really cynical. I know women that I think are feminine that aren't subservient. I agree there's a bit of overlap but I think that's really reductive and negative.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:13 AM
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Just follow the general point, don't nitpick the words. This is incredibly well documented. Women that live in specific communities will value blue collar men but on the whole, college educated women want college educated men. See below articles. https://www.google.com/search?q=not+enough+college+educated+men+marriage&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enUS772US772&sxsrf=AJOqlzVJyB\_qO\_KVGhllith78v9QQkNPVw%3A1677023976360&ei=6Fr1Y8fAFYC7qtsPsM-yWA&ved=0ahUKEwjH1I-T6af9AhWAnWoFHbCnDAsQ4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=not+enough+col…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/23 12:00 AM
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Please link that survey because that's absolute bars. I make this point all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:59 PM
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That's fine. I'm just saying that, that sounds exactly like the kind of relationship most men want from women. So it proves me right. Men with good morals don't want a relationship that feels predatory, but they do want a woman who respects and admires their "masculine qualities". Being hardworking. Being disciplined. Mastering a trade etc. Men basically want to work and want to be rewarded for it. I'm not saying CATEGORICALLY that women aren't like this. but the percentage of women who see resp…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:58 PM
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I should be more specific. Obviously when you're an adult professional, sleeping around a ton may be a sign of emotional instability in a man. But I'm saying in a general sense, being competent with women is something that every man respects. The ability to get women is something other men respect because it's a skill. Younger men definitely admire/aspire to be manwhores way more, I'm just saying in principle, the fact that it brings respect is the reason it's valued by society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:56 PM
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I'd say that peace is the consequence of being with a woman who respects you. Most men consider shit testing, nagging, and attention seeking to be disrespectful behavior. Women are way less likely to do these with men they respect and admire.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:36 PM
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Well I should say this more has to do with the manosphere explaining what men want then what the red pill teaches you. If anything though, redpill teaches you to emulate the natural effects of men who get respect from other men and are admired by women/naturals.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:35 PM
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This is a statistical fact. College educated women don't want to marry guys without degrees. The prestige of the job matters more than the monetary amount. Most women wouldn't marry a garbage man, even though they make 6 figures.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:34 PM
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So after reading some comments I think admiration was the word for the kind of respect that men want from women. Would you say you admire the person you're seeing?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:32 PM
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You can also respect people you don't like. I think rereading my post, admiration is more what men want from women. They want respect from other men. Admiration however, implies compliance. So I'd say mens version of admiration they want from women implies submissiveness. But I'd also argue that women want to be submissive to men they admire as a general rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:12 PM
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Just examples. Back in the day there were tons of necessary trades. Blue collar is also an example. There are lots of women who turn their noses up at blue collar work. Mostly educated women. And the mullionaires thing, once again, an example. They're analogies but you can replace the actual occupations. Some girls are punk and will respect musicians more than athletes. Some girls will respect straight laced business guys more. But the point is its that specifically that determines your status t…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:09 PM
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Yeah but its a hierarchy of needs thing. Getting laid is a low bar for an attractive man but a high bar for anyone who doesn't. The minimum bar is just being competent with women. Anyone who has no trouble getting laid gets a baseline of respect.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:06 PM
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Yup. Agreed.b
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:05 PM
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I'm just referring to the aspect of status. So a guy could have status because he's rich but a local Rockstar might just as much status as him to a girl. It was just an example.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:04 PM
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Porque? What does that mean?
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 11:03 PM
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Hmmmm. Could be better phrasing actually.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:57 PM
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Here4bach. I completely agree but social media has also significantly raised the standards of women. Imagine back in the day. If you building houses, repairing stuff, or doing a service in the village that was essential, everyone would respect you. It was both necessary and reasonable to respect people. In today's world, blue collar workers get little to no respect from women or society. Men have to compare with pop culture celebrities, so they chase the aesthetic of rappers and playboys. These …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 10:36 PM
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I'll give a better answer. For love for men is conditional on a lot more things than it is for a woman. All a woman needs for a man to love her is look nice be nice A lot of women can be loveable without changing their lifestyle or doing anything extra. Men pretty much HAVE to put in extra work. The extra work of the relationship itself might not be worth the trade of since they can easily get casual sex and have a social circle for intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:18 PM
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Agreed
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 05:16 PM
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I feel like men just can't get emotional intimacy from other men the same way women can from other women. I have lots of reliable male friends I can rely on and talk to, but still feel lonely if I'm not in a relationship. It's just not the same thing. Most women are bisexual or bicurious so for them, experiencing intimacy with other women isn't weird. This isn't the case for most men. I think it's something women just can't really understand.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/23 04:00 PM
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Don't you see how that kind of proves my point? Getting sex is unrelated to your moral compass and if anything the more ruthless you are the easier it is. A lot of emotional manipulation if only borderline unethical too so they don't even have to feel that bad about it. Manipulating someone's feelings isn't illegal as long as there's consent. Once again, not seeing how that's good, but men simply see what other men are doing to be successful and copy it. If it stopped working on women then men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 03:48 PM
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I'm not saying it's right or good but if men see sex as a reward then there's absolutely nothing women can do about it. I think this is one of the parts women have to just concede is biology. Men are simply down to have sex whenever and with any woman who's attractive enough. I have low testosterone and ED and I'd still be down to have sex with a different attractive woman every day just because it'd be cool. I'm not saying people aren't responsible for their own behavior, but sex drive is one o…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 02:58 PM
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Id never tell women they can or can't sleep around but I think being a dickbag is correlated with success for men whereas for women it isn't. Sociopathy in women is repulsive to men. Even the most damaged, manipulative women can fake being nice because they have to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/23 02:14 AM
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I think most guys want to settle down but would rather do it from a place of leverage and security, which is completely normal. Knowing that you're good enough to pick the woman you like IF YOU WANT and that even if she leaves you'll never have trouble finding another partner that's just as good in the material ways is a security most men will never have. Not saying this is EASY for women but they at least have an access that makes them more comfortable ending relationships. I don't mind the Leo…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 08:11 PM
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Red pill initially is just about being selfish in pursuit of loving yourself. That chivalry is dead, especially for men. Look out for yourself. Establish boundaries and don't simp for women. Respect and love yourself. And that confidence will get you someone.Pickup artists took it, or were always there, and made it sleezy, extremist, and all about just getting girls, which the incels then picked up on. Now it's the ridiculous extremist crap it is today that attacks and demeans women constantly. …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 07:50 PM
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Yeah sure but that doesn't mean it isn't accurate. I think accusing people of being cringe isn't a great argument strategy if their actual arguments are either true or mostly true. There's a lot of advice women get that's cringe but also probably works. That's how the real world is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 07:49 PM
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Nah I don't agree with that. I think women are attracted to competence, not just "being the biggest bird". Guys that demonstrate extreme competence in a field that the woman respect and are otherwise attractive enough will have no trouble having a long term, stable, committed relationship. It is harder for guys who are extreme outliers, being really short or really unnattractive, but I don't buy into the blackpill rhetoric of "it's impossible to get a girlfriend for normal guys".
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 07:40 PM
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I was referring to bisexual men. Reread comment. Most women are turned off by bi men especially if they're bottoms or have sucked dick before.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:53 PM
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This is Purple Pill DEBATE I'm only on here to help you understand the other perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:52 PM
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Bro be serious. Is it accurate or not? Women are statistically more neurotic than men. It isn't nice but pretending it isn't true is pretty silly.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:52 PM
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You can't make it makes sense because it's biology. Men are turned off by dicks unless its in a specific context (their own dick). Women are turned off by dicks (especially if a man they're interested in is taking them)
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:48 PM
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Most women prefer a dominant man in a sexual content so basically every woman has sexual encounters that they regret or in hindsight feel like they weren't respected. If women with lower self esteem are easier to sleep with it still means that successful, dominant, amoral men are the ones getting laid. All guys will take some sex over no sex and mens bar for "good enough to sleep with" is really low because it always feels good for us.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 05:44 PM
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I think a lot of it is recognizing that ultimately, the most successful men who get what they want are the most selfish, and embracing it. Historically, the men who conquer empires, sleep with tons of women, exploit the labor of others etc, are all actually pretty bad people when you crunch the numbers. It's pretty much giving up and admitting that the world sucks and bad people are the ones who get what they want. It sucks and it hurts but it's been reflected in the experience of a lot of peopl…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 03:40 PM
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Personally think Tate is a douche but yes. The Redpill/manosphere is at least 50% right. Imo finding the line between things you should take to heart and things you shouldn't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/23 02:04 PM
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I should've said masculine desire instead of masculine energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 10:44 PM
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I think being able to smoothly present sexual desire is indication that you're sexually confident with women and high value. I'd argue its way more important than the raw "societal value" you convey.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 06:34 PM
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Building muscle for men takes years. People with really good physiques usually had to work out for 5+ years etc. 25-30 is a better metric and I'd argue that a peak 35 year old is probably more attractive to women on average than a peak 25 year old.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 04:30 PM
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I used to work in fundraising and was voted best phone voice 3 years in a row. I've already done enough humble bragging but I'm just trying to be objective. I have lots of friends and people think I'm charming. I'm not muscular at all so despite being good looking I have a somewhat feminine body type. I think women are attracted to me in spite of my appearance sometimes (My face is handsome and my shoulders are broad but I'm built like a twink otherwise.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:28 AM
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Woah bro chilll.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/23 01:25 AM
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No, women won't have sex with you if they don't feel desired. How hard your dick is, is just part of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:47 PM
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Of course it's a me problem. My testosterone levels are so low that I don't feel lust strong enough to make women feel validated. But that's my point. Guys focus too much on looks and not the actual energy.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:46 PM
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I want kids. Otherwise I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:45 PM
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Nope, I haven't been laid in over a year. I'm saying no matter how much women may want me initially, what makes women actually want to have sex with you is completely unrelated. This is basically debunking the blackpill idea that chads get laid because they're good looking. They get laid because they're MASCULINE. They have masculine energy. It's that. Having masculine energy is the key to getting laid and not being a chad physically.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:45 PM
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Testicles injured as a result of infection/injury.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:44 PM
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Nooo. THe problem is unrelated to erectile dsyfunction. It's related to desire. I have no libido (weak lust). Women who don't feel wanted will not sleep with you. ED is just a secondary aspect because girls sleep with guys with ED all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 10:43 PM
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LMAO. Decently funny comment though.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:34 PM
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None of this is true. My body will physiologically not respond to attractive women. Arousal for men is involuntary. That's why men talk about sex the way they do. So in my case, even if I'm attracted to a woman my dick doesn't get hard. That's what women care about.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:34 PM
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Yup. I barely get any pleasure out of sex and still pursue it because it's the best feeling available to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:33 PM
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Yup. Women will approach you but it doesn't mean you can actually get laid because being attractive by itself doesn't turn women on sexually. Feeling masculine energy and desire is what turns women on and it's unrelated to how you look. That's why the floor matters more. As long as you aren't unattractive if you check enough of every other box women will date or sleep with you. With the box for casual sex SPECIFICALLY being libido and masculine desire conveyed through personality.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:32 PM
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Women can 1000000% sense it. It's too consistent. Women have responsive desire. They get turned on because they feel desired. If they don't feel your libido they WILL NOT get turned on. When I was in good shape and healthy, I was what a lot of women would probably consider a 9/10. Back then my testosterone levels were healthy and women would do literally all the work for me. I look basically the same minus the muscle mass (so closer to a 7 or 8/10, but am repulsive to women sexually. They will b…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 09:31 PM
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I have a similar situation. 6'2, good looking, charismatic. Erectile dysfunction, low libido. I have no trouble getting dates and women will even hit on me in public but as soon as they don't sense the masculine desire they get turned off. The floor really matters a lot more than the ceiling.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:53 PM
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I think this is a super great point. An average guy who "has nothing important missing" should have no trouble getting laid. If you're a 5 in terms of finances, confidence, looks, and masculinity that's enough to consistently have a girlfriend. Guys focus so much on what the upper limits look like and not enough on the lower threshold.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 08:51 PM
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Bro she's like a solid 8. Way above average. You must specifically not be into Indian women if you don't think so.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/23 03:58 AM
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I think women have this fear but worse, since a man's love is conditional on her staying the most attractive option.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/23 05:33 PM
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I think there are men that would decide she's worth it IF she checks all the boxes. That's just a stereotype about TRP. Not every guy is unwilling to wait for sex. Most guys just aren't willing to wait if she doesn't normally wait.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:30 PM
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Agreed. Even as a mostly redpilled guy I hate when men claim that women are always rewarded for being traditional and submissive. It sucking is the main reason that feminism happened in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/23 11:36 AM
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I think outside of being kind there aren't any universal tastes that men will have. Men will want a woman that matches their image/culture. So she may have to be quiet and submissive or she may have to be friendly and funny. But men universally love women who are nice.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/23 02:26 PM
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Being friends with women is only easy if you're already taken/getting it from somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/23 09:22 PM
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High value looks something like Attractive (as possible, but I'd say at least a 7) open/Honest/trustworthy (I'd say this is the biggest part of being undamaged. Baggage tends to make people less trusting and therefore less honest and open) Loyal Feminine (Personally I don't need a girl to be THAT feminine I just dont' want her to be rude or crass) Everything else is just about shared interests and personality compatibility, but imo everyone would agree that a woman who is attractive, honest, fem…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/01/23 04:03 PM
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I hate to say it but it seems like the earlier women have kids, the better their bodies look when they're older. If women save having kids for their 30s they don't snap back as well but women that were young moms seem to stay hotter longer.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/23 10:46 PM
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Because child mortality rates in general are extremely high without modern medicine and nutrition, young or adult. "Attempting" to have a baby more often more times when puberty starts is sometimes more likely to generate reproductive success than waiting. Even now in much of Africa, West Asia, etc. the focus is more on "quantity" of babies. When you're not in developed society, a 25 year old is more likely to be sick and diseased. The simplest explanation is in premodern times, the percent of c…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/23 02:24 AM
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All of these guys could get laid. They probably wouldn't be able to get the hottest women ever but there's absolutely no doubt that they would get attention from SOME women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/23 06:21 PM
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Howso?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/22 02:51 AM
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yes but that doesnt mean it isnt mostly accurate.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/22 07:07 PM
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You're forgetting all the men who can't attract women without putting on an act. Men love feminity and women love masculinity. If a man isn't masculine it'll turn off women. It's that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:53 PM
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However RP men tend to have moral priorities that are similar to old school masculinity which focus on authority, order, respect in relation to women.. leading to the overall betterment of family units and society at large. Completely disagree. Rollo is just one guy in the Red pill space. The redpill itself is completely amoral. There are some who say it's a tool to fix society and some who say you should enjoy the decline and help ruin society.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:52 PM
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A woman being on PPD is honestly nothing but a green flag. A sign that someone is empathetic, curious, and isn't so sensitive that they can't handle discussing difficult topics.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/12/22 01:50 PM
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I can confirm this. Been chadlite my entire life. Ran into erectile and low testosterone problems a few years ago. Women will NOT fuck you unless your body is telling you to fuck them. If your dick doesn't get hard they don't get turned on. It sucks because before getting laid was really easy.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 08:27 AM
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100% agreed. It's not that Redpill content doesn't describe a percentage of women, but that percentage is exaggerated. Only the core tenants apply to all women and even then lots of women are pretty reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/12/22 08:23 AM
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I think lots of the women here are here out of genuine empathy or curiosity and I think those are both amazing traits I'd always select for in a partner. I don't mind someone who's a tiny bit jaded as long as they're generally emotionally reasonable.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:59 AM
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I think this is a really interesting conversation. Whether or not it's worth pursuing a one sided relationship that's kept alive by power imbalance or dread game, or pursue a more egalitarian, love fueled relationship, knowing that 50% of them still fail anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/12/22 01:18 AM
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Really like a lot of the points you made.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/12/22 06:01 AM
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The cost of living is insanely high these days. Spending $400 on an escort is crazy impractical. You get to have sex ONE DAY A MONTH and you don't get to enjoy anything else you could've spent that money on. For the average man, sex is really hard to get.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/12/22 02:40 PM
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I've never seen a version of this relationship that's stable or will last. Women would rather get pumped and dumped by fuck boys that are dominant than date a weak submissive guy forever.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/22 05:38 AM
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Finally, a fresh thread. Liberal man here. This has actually given me some good shit to think about. Will definitely go more in depth to the sources once I get off work.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 07:31 PM
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As a man, I think it's annoying as fuck when men downplay 1. the percentage of men who participate in behavior women complain about 2. how much worse the effects are of negative male behavior are compared to negative female behavior. I think holding women accountable is important but I also hate when men act surprised that women are so sketched out by men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/22 04:25 PM
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I think this is a great point, in that a huge percentage of woman are super wary of chadlike behavior or chadlike looks. It's not that they aren't attracted to these guys but they are smart enough to "smell the bullshit".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 09:30 PM
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EH. In that case I agree. Masculinity is what turns women on. Obviously if a man is a billionaire but is completely old and frail women aren't going to be turned on by him. Masculinity tends to be correlated with status since just being masculine by itself gets you a huge amount of respect, but you're right in that the main post isn't specific enough. However, power IS enough to get women to sleep with you, even if it doesn't turn them on by itself (without other qualifying factors like basic le…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:42 PM
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Okay?? And?? We're talking purely about casual sex. I know it's trashy but lots of women would have a one night stand with Trump just to say they did it. That isn't even a hot take.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 02:23 PM
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You’re confusing power with status.The head of an “unknown” punk rock band doesn’t have power. It’s the carefree lifestyle that’s attractive, as well as the general promiscuity in that subculture (go to any music festival). They have status in that space, which may or may not align with power.Joe Biden, by the virtue of leading the only hyperpower in human history, is inarguably the most powerful man in the world. How many women are lining up to sleep with him? And don’t tell me it’s about age—h…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/11/22 12:55 PM
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I don't know what to tell you. I'm not saying every single guy feels that way but I'm sure a really good percentage of them do. It isn't that I can't be around women non sexually. But I can't "just hang out" with women the same way I would my male friends. Attractive women are distracting. It isn't their fault. Obviously the responsibility is on me, and obviously I can control my actions. But that doesn't mean it isn't going to affect my feelings.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 11:02 PM
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I think you just don't understand male biology. Here's how I think of it. I want a partner that understands me, and loves me, and that I have a deep emotional connection with. But without sex, that situation is too frustrating. Having female friends that you're attracted to is frustrating. It's not a choice for most men. Our arousal is mostly involuntary. I have female friends but I'm careful not to spend too much time around them, too much time thinking about them, or sharing too many intimate …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/11/22 07:25 PM
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Yeah but I think those exact same people's behavior would change tomorrow if we a solar flare knocked out the electrical grid, or if that Supervolcano exploded, or if World War III broke out. More men would be forced to do manual labor because we wouldn't have machines and convenience etc. Women would do more household duties because there'd be nobody else to do it. People would partner up for protection and resources. This is part of our nature because it's necessary to survive in anywhere that…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 06:00 PM
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I think it's always really naive for people to assert that we've "evolved" or moved past anything. History isn't a straight line. Progress has never been linear. A lot of societies/empires were super progressive but fell to ruin and whenever that happens, humanity just reverts back to its more base nature. Not saying the world is going to end etc, I'm just saying that the way we see love right now is artificial. If anything goes wrong on a societal scale everything goes back to the way it is. I'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 03:56 PM
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Lots of people want a functioning family unit above all. People have biological clocks. Some people want a family more than they want friendship. As long as both people are getting what they want, it doesn't matter if you're best friends or not. In fact, the kind of intimacy that friendships cause can cause problems in a relationship. Your best friend might be someone you get tacky with and that can actually be counterproductive in a relationship. It's okay to admit that people that are your fri…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 02:47 PM
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It's just male nature. Testosterone means if we experience a negative emotion it's most likely to be anger. Being frustrated is more likely to make us angry than to make us sad.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/22 04:57 AM
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Exact same. I get a good amount of matches on Hinge and zero on Bumble.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/22 11:31 PM
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Yeah Anon Platypus I think you're actually still proving the point correctly. You're admitting that women can't control their attraction to these guys in the fitrst place (which is what TRP claims), but claiming that "women know they're bad and avoid them in real life", which sounds great but is obviously nonsense. I'd say at least 35% of women either can't actively see red flags or knowingly chase guys that display them anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 06:11 PM
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Go to every dating sub on this website and read women's complaints. Women's dating problems are literally caused by the fact that they have to ignore red flags to get men they want. A huge trope on this sub is that women aren't good at screening for red flags in the first place.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:28 PM
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Yeah to be fair, MOST of these guys are lying about their relationship status. High value men are cheating left and right because its super easy for them.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:12 PM
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LOL it proves that women want a 1% man but still want him to he loyal. Then act shocked when he cheats. Your explanation actually works against your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:09 PM
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This is just on social media. In real life most guys like normal looking women. Not saying fake women aren't attracted, but there's a huge market for girl next door girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/22 02:29 AM
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Add to that the feeling that (for me at least), his job = the outside world and my job = the home. So if I feel like too much of his job is becoming my job, then of course like all human beings I get a little upset. And I understand that this is counterproductive because providing a good home means listening and sympathizin Yuuup. Women that are empathetic to men's struggles DO exist but I think it's like 1 out of a every 10 girls or so. I've dated only ONE that I felt was patient with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/11/22 04:51 AM
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Yeah this is crazy. I've cried like 4 times in the past 5 years. 1 is because a parent passed away and the other is because I'm chronically ill and dying.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:41 PM
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This is an excellent point and almost exactly where I am with TRP. I agree that the principles on evolutionary biology and male/female behavior are mostly accurate. I've seen almost all of this stuff in my personal life and in relationships around me. But yeah, most content creators are cringe. People being anti-abortion is NONSENSICAL.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/22 12:45 AM
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Imo as a compromise never let a girl pay on the first date. If she insists tell her she can pay on another date that's her idea.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/10/22 09:04 AM
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I probably won't lol but hey life is hard. Best way to cope is come spread misery on PPD.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 10:42 AM
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Erectile dysfunction, low energy, low libido, difficulty building muscles. Sucks because I've never had any trouble attracting women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 04:25 AM
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Nope. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather be lol but chronic illness makes it hard.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/09/22 02:04 AM
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This is insane cap. You're projecting. All of these guys would be attractive to women today.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 10:29 PM
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Yes. I have plenty of friends already. Not getting enough sex is so distracting that I can't focus on things like my career.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/09/22 10:25 PM
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Yeah but that's not exactly what Testosterone does. The higher T men are more secure emotionally and more relaxed. This may be a result of self confidence OR a result of having higher T levels. It's more about being emotionally stable and less neurotic, so maybe stoic is the wrong word. Men with high T are less likely to lose their cool randomly or cry randomly, but it doesn't mean they won't if they feel comfortable and let their guard down.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 05:13 PM
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It's an average of qualities. So on average, someone with higher T levels is going to have more masculine qualities. The most masculine women I know are still have more feminine personalities than the average man. The easiest indicator that men have high T levels is muscle mass, because maintaining big muscles with low T is impossible. Are there a bunch of strong, jacked men you know with highly feminine personalities? What example of this are you citing?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 02:21 PM
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Two things. Being capable of an emotion and having a tendency towards an emotion are two different things. Men with higher T levels are going to be more stoic and more disagreeable. But even men with low T levels still have way higher T levels than most women. But there ARE women with super high testosterone levels. Average T for men is 300ng/dl to 1200ng/dl. For women it's 15 to 70 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) Also, hormonal profile has some effect on sexuality but obviously science hasn't f…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:25 PM
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Masculinity and femininity are the traits that are caused by testosterone and estrogen respectively. So if you inject a woman with testosterone she will gain masculine features and same goes for men with estrogen. It's that simple. Most trans people report personality changes due to hormones, not just physiological ones so we that's how we can support that masculine and feminine aren't just physical things.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/09/22 01:05 PM
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Our definitions of high value likely different. I don't think money is a necessary component, just being desirable to lots of women is what matters. Therefore, a guy can manufacture being high value by using dread game and social proof. He doesn't have to be exceptional as long as he's able to get the attention of a few women and can fake it well enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 11:11 PM
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Relationship but no friends pls
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:41 PM
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It isn't glamorous but dread game works on women. Women have most of the leverage when it comes to dealing with normal men so mimicking the dread game created by super high value men is an effective strategy. If a guy's confidence and frame are strong enough then women will believe that they are high value unless they're able to see through the facade.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 09:31 PM
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Yup being hot for women definitely has diminishing returns. Being entitled to your looksmatch as a woman is going to screw you over because there are way less hot men so they're way more likely to be players.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/22 12:32 PM
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Great post.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/22 03:12 AM
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As Hot as humanly possible, warm, trustworthy, shared values, similar interests, sexual enthusiasm
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 07:59 PM
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That is absolutely not true. MOST men back down when they see a girl is taken unless they get the specific vibe that this girl likes them. Men will never pursue a woman who's both taken and disinterested unless they're psychopaths. It doesn't even have to be fear, but it is respect at the very least.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 12:21 PM
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Yeah OP I'm ngl this is not the slam dunk you think it is. Men generally stop pursuit of a taken woman because they fear the other man, not because of some moral reason. I'm not saying women aren't capable of or prone to immoral behavior but men are AT LEAST as prone and the question is more about whether or not they can act on it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/09/22 04:03 AM
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I think it's recognizing that overwhelmingly, women both control access to sex, and leave relationships 80% of the time. It's frustrating because men essentially are the less fickle gender and have less control in regards to this. Not actually blaming women, I having less requirements makes it harder for men to understand women's decisionmaking process, but that disconnect means that if women aren't staying in relationships out of obligation, then they probably aren't going to stay forever and t…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/09/22 11:50 AM
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The percentage women who grow up with good father figures is pretty low in the US. I know because I've met women like this. Women who like genuinely good guys and have balanced tastes, being attracted to masculine met but also having high self esteem and valuing themselves (not letting men treat them like shit/being attracted to assholes). But there really aren't as many as you'd think. They're almost always taken/get married in highschool/college.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/22 12:53 PM
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Physically - She's thick but has a slim waist Personality - She's gives off a trustworthy, enthusiastic energy. Someone who would tell the truth and assume the best of people unless there was a specific reason not to (mostly safety). Age - 31 I've met a good amount of women like this. They're usually picky but I'm lucky to be attractive and fit the bill of what they're usually after. I met most of them in college. So I'd say ages 20-28?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/22 11:09 PM
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No. My only personal gripe with body count is the likelyhood that dudes she's smashed are still her life. If a girl slept with a 100 guys that live in a different country, has a track record of being in successful relationships, and has never cheated, I wouldn't really care.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/22 07:59 PM
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Smaller communities. Less options means people don't have the same issues that straight people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/08/22 01:55 PM
1

I agree that the most attractive women I've dated have been the most red pilled.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/22 11:51 AM
1

Here's the difference. A girl who ticks almost of all of a guys boxes can still be messed up by high body count for a lot of guys. A guy who ticks off all of a girls boxes will ALMOST NEVER be ruled out due to high body count.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/08/22 02:22 PM
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His genes get passed on. Family line culture isn't super strong in contemporary times but in some cultures it's still huge and in the past it was everything. It would undeniably be a win for the guy, even if publicly he wouldn't admit it.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 05:18 PM
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I'm not a fan of double standards,but I think this is the logic. Paternity fraud is the worst crime that can happen to a man in the eyes of a lot of men. If a man cheats and she gets pregnant she still doesn't get his commitment and resources, so the cheater doesn't win. If a women cheats and gets pregnant, the cheater wins and gets what they want. They get sex, AND offspring they don't have to take care of. Men are already seen as the lower investment parent and sex is less costly for them. Tra…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/08/22 04:46 PM
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Nah 4 is probably fine for MOST women. Like I said there's a coochie depth spectrum so just find the half of women who will be fine with 4. Def don't worry there are plenty.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 05:24 PM
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If your dick is too long then your bodies don't touch when you have sex. You miss out.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 02:54 PM
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There's definitely a coochie depth spectrum as well. If your dick is 6 inches you're probably good but an inch in either direction is probably fine as well. 5 inch dicks get a lot of hate but at that point the thickness probably matters more and the extra inch is just for bragging rights. If your dick is too long then you can't feel the booty clap and that probably sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 01:55 PM
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OP she got your ass there. Men complain about certain kinds off female behavior all the time. Complaining about masculinity is in a sense, complaining about social awkwardness, because a lot of "masculine women" can't read the room.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/08/22 03:01 AM
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These comments are a warzone
/r/PurplePillDebate08/08/22 03:08 PM
34

OP discovers friends
/r/PurplePillDebate07/08/22 02:07 AM
9

The reality is that thinking you can hold the entirety of either gender accountable is foolish and you should focus on yourself and your own outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/08/22 12:35 PM
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I like this explanation because it reflects my experience pretty well. Most women don't get the ick until you fuck up proportionally to how well you've been doing.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:07 PM
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Women on reddit lean liberal by a huge margin. The women here are going to claim they don't care because a lot of them probably don't. I know a lot of women who would probably admit that it kind of bothers them.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/22 01:06 PM
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Here's an alternative that I hope women can understand and says something about the experience of men. I think Andrew is an enormous douchebag. I agree with maybe 40% of things he's said and think he's doing even more damage than FreshnFit because his positions are more dogmatic and extreme. BUT I would rather be Andrew Tate than a loser who gets no play and no women. Period. I think MOST MEN feel that way even if they won't admit it to themselves. They know that Andrew is a guy who's getting wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/22 05:46 AM
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The type of guy matters. Most guys will settle with someone who's similar to their mom OR the hottest woman they can get. Which one the guy actually gets is somewhat luck or chance, so it's not something easy to predict imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 08:15 PM
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It hurts your ego way less but yeah I'd probably still break up.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/22 01:11 PM
0

Flirting is fun. But it is a skill you have to learn before you can enjoy it. I do understand it's daunting and confusing for a lot of guys, but the reality is it's just better to be that guy then to not be that guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:21 PM
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Reading the room and being a good liar are unrelated. But no, it isn't everything. Being physically attractive to women by itself works. Being funny is highly related to social intelligence, so right off the bat, that's the next big factor. And being wealthy/high status is the last factor that attracts women. So this is like, 1/3rd of the equation. Basically, I think a lot of guys that have NO SUCCESS could get a SMALL amount of success by just not being socially awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:19 PM
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Almost evrything you listed STILL goes over men's heads, whether it's because they're afraid of being perceived as creepy and flirting with someone who doesn't like them, or because they're genuinely oblivious. I'm sure EVERY guy here has a story like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/06/22 07:17 PM
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It's either fake complaining or lack of awareness and both are just as bad.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/22 01:34 PM
9

Most guys just wanna date hot women. People value self esteem and integrity for LTRs but definitely not for FWB which is what most of these guys are getting since low self esteem women are easier to string along.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 05:27 PM
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I think sexual attraction weighs less in women's overall equation for liking someone. So women are willing to date a guy who's less sexy but if it was PURELY physical wouldn't settle for a guy who wasn't super hot.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/06/22 03:32 PM
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Doing what you believe is correct unashamedly is the correct answer. You can be dumb and still masculine, selfish and still masculine, a terrible person and still masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/06/22 05:53 AM
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Now you're making leaps. Not needing women doesn't mean you don't value women. Not needing something doesn't mean you don't choose to have something. Nobody needs a dog but some people want a dog. When dating becomes easier, it becomes less of a hassle to have and maintain something in your life. If women are easy to get, then it doesn't cost you a lot to maintain a relationship with one. It's that simple. Women in their 20s feel this exact same way about men. EVERY WOMAN who said "I don't need …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 03:40 PM
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Needing someone is not the same as wanting someone. Men want consistent access to sex. At least some men want companionship. But having an abundance of options makes you desire it less/value it less. That's what realizing you don't NEED women means. No contradiction.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:38 PM
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You don't have to exaggerate the numbers for the phenomenon to be accurate. 30% off dudes being virgins at 29 is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:29 PM
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That doesn't contradict the statement though. Men become more attractive to women in their 30s and 40s. Men realize they have more options. Men start to care less and realize they don't need women, making them more attractive. This makes finding a high quality mate easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:24 PM
1

This should be the response to almost everything women post on dating subreddits.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/06/22 02:18 PM
5

This shit works insanelyyyy well.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/06/22 05:51 PM
2

If you respect your partner, you will do your best to avoid bad optics and ask them to try to do the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 11:47 AM
1

Why?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:33 AM
1

I'd say 48 hours is the absolute limit before cutting it off, but if she goes more than 24 hours she def doesn't like you assuming it's early on.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/05/22 02:11 AM
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One of the important tenants of game and pick up from back in the day was "always be the exception". In other words, if you ignore women's rules and they're attracted enough to you, they will let you rock until you fuck up. Pushing boundaries always works if you're hot enough so you can pretty much get whatever you want as long as you calibrate and aren't weird and pushy.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/05/22 06:49 PM
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Getting sex from attractive women is always a flex. It doesn't matter if they're pickmes or hoes or whatever.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/05/22 10:09 AM
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The easiest metric for whether someone is toxic or not is whether rag of women unnecessarily, generalize, and take pleasure in seeing women fail. Rich Cooper and MTR are the best examples of the opposite. They think it's important for men to be cautious of women, and develop skills for screening. They think it's important for women to value their time and resources. But they don't say "ALL WOMEN ARE LIKE THIS" and they don't make videos just ragging on how modern women are without making a point…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 09:56 PM
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LOL these are literally two of the most toxic, fatalistic dudes on the internet.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 05:24 PM
1

WHATS UP GUYS ITS CIMO
/r/PurplePillDebate20/05/22 01:52 AM
1

In other words, in other wordsssss Focus Observe
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 06:19 PM
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I think you're framing the greater good as some kind objective value when it comes to the desire of individuals. Fascists nations can prosper if economically at the cost of exploitation and the same goes for the dating market. I'm not saying that's good but you shouldn't say that isn't winning because it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 06:19 PM
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Fascism is bad because it benefits a specific group of people at the detriment to minority ethnic groups and cultures but that does not mean the country will not prosper economically/culturally otherwise. I think the reality of the world is that a large percentage of people have resorted to somewhat unethical things in their lives. Being selfish is completely normal. I think being idealistic and naive about people is why everyone complains about the dating market the first place. Its way better …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:26 PM
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Does that apply to everyone on TV? Everyone with a YouTube channel? Are you skeptical of Steve Irwin? Where do you draw the line? At what point does something become a grift?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:09 PM
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You aren't wrong. Being fascist doesn't disqualify someone from being a good leader. Leadership as a skill is independent of motives. Someone can teach you how to pick up women and you can use it to get married and settle down or to sleep with 40 women. Being unable to separate useful information from morality is a crippling wall when it comes to success in life.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 05:08 PM
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I don't think being toxic disqualifies something from being super useful. Rich Cooper is probably my favorite example. He has some assholish qualities, but my dad was also kind of a dick but imnstill super thankful that for a lot of the things he passed onto me.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:56 PM
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I think a person being bitter and jaded does not discount the usefulness of their advice. We only get to live situations once, so wishing you knew what you knew before is a natural experience for all people. People that are negative because of their experiences but want to help people less experienced are as good as their logic and nuance. If you'd write off the experiences of EVERY and ANY dating channel that says way more about you than dating channels.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:25 PM
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Do you think it's possible for a toxic channel to give good advice?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 04:11 PM
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You don't think there are any differences in good dating advice for men vs women?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/05/22 03:56 PM
2

Chairman Mao and the boys will not stand for this Mesha
/r/PurplePillDebate18/05/22 04:57 PM
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An entitled man who is broke but attractive will still have no trouble getting women to sleep with him. He may have an issue locking down long term relationships though. For men, providing good sex or financial security are the two routes to long term commitment for a woman and it just depends which stage of life she's in.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 09:37 PM
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Okay so here's the thing right. If a man is rich, and good looking, and entitled, women will be attracted to him. But if a man is rich, good looking, but lacks confidence and is insecure, a huge percentage of women will be turned off feeling "well what's wrong with him". A middle ground of confidence is ideal but lack of confidence hurts men WAAAAY more than entitlement imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 07:53 PM
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Agreed.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:12 PM
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Yeah I know it colors my interactions with women as well. I think I've gotten away with a lot of bad behavior because of my appearance. Women definitely tolerate way more BS when they like you. I THINK I'm a good person in general but I know I've had a lot of women who left thinking I'm a dick.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/05/22 03:10 PM
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Don't listen to anyone here. The answer is yes.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/05/22 10:57 AM
1

Celebrity crushes are the easiest examples of this. Women are way more prone to celebrity crushes. They don't care if the guy has smashed 200 women. But only a select few guys have a crush on Cardi B.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/22 02:18 PM
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Chadlite here. Taken women will shamelessly hit on you and make passes at you if you're hot enough. When a girl doesn't show overt interest or shows restraint even when I'm getting IOIs I gain a ton of respect for her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/05/22 10:41 AM
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Nah bro I live near whole foods in the metropolitan area. I can easily see 30+ attractive women a day and this is without going anywhere special.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/05/22 10:32 PM
1

Finally, a good fucking thread. These comments were really interesting.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/05/22 08:28 AM
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I think FDS gets a bit too much hate from Red Pilled side guys. I don't think their intentions are bad. The real reason they're cringe is that its unlikely to be effective and its mostly older jaded women who are drawn to it in the first place. A lot of women post there to grandstand and win points but I doubt their actual dating outcomes are any better than regular guys. Every guy I know IRL who is red pilled has had some dating success because of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/04/22 07:00 PM
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Maybe by a little bit but women hit the wall super fast due to poor diet and health issues. Unfortunately testosterone is waaay more effective at burning and fighting obesity than estrogen is. All things being equal, a woman and a man both at 30, the man is gonna look a lot younger/healthier assuming both of them have crappy lifestyles.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/04/22 01:29 AM
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AWALT. Never met a girl who didn't like being choked. I disagree that they're perpetuating rape culture, but I think people need to be honest about what is and isn't rape culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/04/22 05:58 PM
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Top 20% men can DEFINITELY easily get 50 bodies. My entire life I've been considered super conventionally attractive, but I've had low testosterone so I don't have the desire to chase women. The number of women who have made passes at me obvious enough to pass for sex offers is insanely high though. I think racking up 100 bodies would have been really easy if I had been interested in it (I'm 31 now).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:43 AM
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I care about a woman's body a lot more than her face so wrinkles don't really turn me off. I know a lot of guys like a youthful looking appearance more, so I recognize I'm probably in the minority of men. I agree with your premise, but if most men don't feel that way, then most men don't feel that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:42 AM
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I mostly agree with your point that women on PPD are going to be a SUPER BIASED demographic and are way more likely to like feminine looking guys. Redditors in general seem to be that way, and in hindsight, the redditor women I know IRL seem to like that look.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/04/22 01:40 AM
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Women just don't want to be disrespected by their guy. Guys who are actually truly Red Pilled don't fault women for being women. A lot of manosphere guys are farming Red Pill rage for clicks and views though, so it's no wonder the space gets such a bad rep.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:53 PM
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I think a lot of women are honest about the fact that they want a confident, masculine guy who intentionally leads. A lot of girls don't like the community and certain RP rhetoric, but overall, literally want exactly the kind of guy TRP says women want.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/04/22 10:53 PM
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Nope. People who seem to just get it had good male role models early on (or potentially female role models, but usually women blue pill their sons)
/r/PurplePillDebate22/04/22 12:50 AM
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To be fair, I think people age badly due to horrible diet and lifestyle in the west. Testosterone is a stronger drug than estrogen for burning fat. I think men DO age better than women naturally but it isn't by that much, the problem is moreso lifestyle. Pregnancy and having a kid DOES negatively affect women obviously but not all of them.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 11:53 PM
2

Your sex drive goes down as your testosterone goes down. As your testosterone goes down spontaneous desire also goes down. So when I lose interest in sex it'll be natural.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 07:53 PM
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Say it again but louder. If I need sex to be happy then thats just me. People telling you to want something different is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/04/22 11:11 AM
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Any guy with self respect and confidence who doesn't supplicate to women and other men at least qualifies.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/04/22 08:57 PM
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LOL Daisy I genuinely hope you're trolling because man. I hope some day you can look back on this situation and recognize that you were hurt, and that the people you're taking revenge on are also hurt. Not saying the vitriol women have to read on the internet is justified, but what you're doing definitely isn't justice and definitely isn't helping anyone.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 04:38 PM
1

They're correlated with status. Being funny is correlated with being popular as a guy, but not necessarily. Being funny is correlated with being intelligent. Being intelligent is correlated with being successful. But my main point is that just because men care about intelligence or competence in a woman doesn't mean they care about status. Women care about status BY ITSELF. A guy who's boring, or average looking, still becomes more attractive to women if he has status.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 02:02 PM
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Nah those are separate. A rich closed off guy with a dry demeanor who smells like power is more attractive than a funny guy. Think Dorian Gray. Sense of humor doesn't equal status either but its attractive because it signifies social intelligence. There is obv a correlation because smart people tend to be successful but it isn't the same.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 11:04 AM
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That isn't status. Men care about intelligence, and competence, but not status. Intelligence and competence are signs that someone will be a good mother, but a woman can be competent at anything. A competent burger flipped, a competent teacher, a competent waitress. Also, women CAP THEIR ASSES OFF about preselection. It's the most insanely obvious phenomenon from the guy's POV.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 01:02 AM
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Yup this is my entire game with women and it works extremely well. Girls enjoy "trying to figure out if he's serious" about anything. Light trolling or light pretending is fun because women seem to enjoy this game way more than men do. Women LOVE exaggeration because it's a hint that you're joking, but you deliver it with conviction so she thinks you're serious. Some easy examples She asks "How old are you?" - Instead of giving her an answer, say "Guess!", then turn it into a game and tease her …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/04/22 12:54 AM
2

Love my mom. One of my best friends. I'd say I'm decently red pilled, but I'm also chadlite, so I can afford to have some blue pilled sensibilities.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 02:14 AM
3

Yellow flag imo
/r/PurplePillDebate13/04/22 02:12 AM
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YES. WOMEN DO THIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 02:53 AM
1

I don't mean it literally, literally, but on average. The vast majority of people fall into that paradigm. The relinquishing of gender roles is something for upper status people. For the average family they still serve the function they used to.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:54 AM
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Both the average man and woman were way more attractive 70 years ago. Men fail to factor this in from their side.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:51 AM
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Agreed completely. Most dudes are cringe and socially awkward.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/04/22 01:51 AM
1

I think all guys have a certain amount of hero complex inside but it varies. Not every guy likes BPD/unstable women, but the kind of guys who DO are the guys who have hero complexes. Personally I was raised by women who were stable and relatively stoic so I'm not attracted to instability. But it seems like a lot of guys are.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 12:08 PM
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Neediness makes men feel valuable. Period.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 11:52 AM
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Say whatever you want, but nobody wants actual egalitarianism. Women want masculine men who lead. Asking a girl to split the check is the easiest method on earth to getting friendzoned. People on Reddit can say whatever they want forever but in real life it doesn't work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/22 11:50 AM
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Really fvcking good answer. This is exactly it. A woman will basically talk to her friendgroup about you and disqualify you, whether it's consciously or unconsciously.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:19 AM
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I have lots of women I respect and trust in my life, but essentially, I'm always questioning if an answer a woman gave me is 100% the truth if there's some gray area. There are lots of things people have no reason to lie about, but things around body count, sexuality, and what the girl wants, I know she might not feel she can be fully honest. Fear that she's not being honest about these things is probably the biggest thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/04/22 01:14 AM
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That sounds like a biological thing since the same doesn't apply to men. Also, lots of animals have mating dynamics where the man chokes or holds the female by the neck. Duck sex being the easiest/most traumatic example.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:51 PM
1

It's something you discuss before sex obviously.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:49 PM
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Never met a girl who doesn't like being choked. It seems to be a biological thing. Not saying it applies to every woman, but most women seem to enjoy submissive sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/22 04:26 PM
1

For men, unconditional love is "as long as long as I'm still attracted to you, but that's an insanely low bar, so in practice, women experience something akin to unconditional love way more often than men do.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/03/22 06:38 PM
3

Mens testosterone levels lower as they get older. Has nothing to do with prefrontal lobe development.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 07:39 PM
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Dude there is no trick here. Men are being honest with you. ATTRACTIVE WOMEN ARE ATTRACTIVE. THERE IS NO SECRET. MEN ARE INSANELY HONEST ABOUT THIS.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/03/22 07:37 PM
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This is cap. Most women are terrible friends. As someone that HAS female friends. Women are time and effort sinks. Male friendships are generally pretty 50/50. Men take pride in pulling their weight in friendships. Most women are NOT like this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/03/22 05:08 PM
5

Statistically 12+ is high but I don't think N count becomes problematic until it reaches like 30.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 03:03 AM
1

Confidence no, but I'd say competence and charisma will help an unattractive guy.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/03/22 02:59 AM
1

There historical reason is because a woman would live with her parents until she's married off, so it'd be important that she's married off to a family with at least as good resources as the house she's living in. Marrying up is ideal but an even exchange would also be acceptable. It just makes sense that it doesn't benefit women to marry someone doing less well than they are already.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/03/22 03:27 PM
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Eh. I don't deny this point. A lot of men don't need women outside of the fact that their genitals are screaming at us 24/7 to mate with women. I have female friends but I would pretty much never hang out with a girl 1 on 1 unless there was potential to Smash.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 06:39 PM
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I'm tall and skinny, due to gut issues and low testosterone. Women are still attracted to me, but about 6 years ago I was a lot more muscular and got way more attention. Imo being skinny and being a bit chubby are about they same. They don't have that much effect on how attractive you are compared to other things (your face, having good body type etc).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 03:09 PM
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I disagree. I think a lot of men would be happy to know that they dodged a bullet. You're saying ANY average man would settle for a woman who's likely to be a cheater. Lots of guys would be happy to pay for coochie and be alone.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 02:48 PM
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What's your point? That average men don't deserve to vet partners or use information to their advantage. This is weird energy. "I'm not an average man, I don't have to worry about these stats". Congratulations bro. That doesn't diminish the usefulness of this information to men in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/03/22 01:23 PM
2

Forget about the world. Focus on yourself. Do you want to win or do you want to lose? You have to put yourself first because you even have the agency to care about other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/03/22 01:39 AM
0

Women don't need that skillset. Men do. Its just how it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:41 PM
2

I was wrong on the height stat. I didn't exercise much as a kid either btw and I'm 6'2. And yes, I could have defined social awkwardness better. Will keep in mind while addressing comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:39 PM
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Dude... I don't know you could read this and assume I'm somehow mandating something. I'm literally just explaining a phenomenon and telling people "this is a real cause of your problems that a lot of people aren't acknowledging". Thats it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:38 PM
1

Yes, but low social intelligence is part of the reason mens profiles are so abysmally bad. No saying that it accounts for everything, but the gap is accounted for in what men and women are looking to convey. OLD benefits women more because looks are all that matters. Conveying the value that women want in men online requires more finesse.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:24 PM
1

That isn't a good enough picture to judge attractiveness of anyone. But the question is whether the person radiates more confidence and masculinity and not just what they look like.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:18 PM
1

None of that disproved a single point I've made. Non sequitur.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:15 PM
0

My argument is that "these complaints aren't rational", not that "i can literally stop you from complaining"
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:15 PM
1

Social awkwardness is inability to properly read social cues and interpret behavior. Not being able to read the room is on a spectrum of awkwardness. Guys who have game are guys with higher social intelligence. If you aren't confident around women then you're likely way less socially intelligent than you think you are. Not you specifically, but a huge percentage of guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 06:14 PM
1

Certain food and water sources have higher microplastics content. If you buy whole vegetables, meat, and oatmeal, it will have less microplastics than if you eat Burger King and TV dinners. You CAN make an effort to reduce your intake.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:37 PM
1

Yup I mightve botched the facts on that one. I swear I saw a peer reviewed article on it but maybe I was dreaming???
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:36 PM
1

Not sure if sarcasm but actually yeah
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:35 PM
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Yes but you can reduce the intake from the few sources you can control.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:09 PM
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Actually I basically am that guy. But I'm part of a gaming community where lots of guys have GFs that aren't Chad's and aren't even close.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 05:09 PM
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Dude thats absolute nonsense.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 04:56 PM
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We have a basic idea. Avoid processed foods. Reach your micros and macros daily. Eat a wide variety of foods to create diverse gut flora. Avoid microplastics, antibiotics, and preservatives.the science is slowly advancing but its super clear that diet has a HUGE effect on health outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 04:30 PM
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Yup. The percentage of incels who are decent looking is way higher than one would expect. Maybe they have other issues like micropenises but that doesn't mean they can't have success with women.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 04:22 PM
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I agree.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 04:09 PM
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Its not "easy". But there's a CLEAR formula for it which is the way men have lived historically before the internet and technology.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 04:01 PM
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I will say this. I think the bias that men like younger women is exacerbated by how poor lifestyle and diet make the wall hitnlike a truck instead of like a breeze. Older women that manage their health are still super hot, but in the west we see a lot of "drop off" where within 4 years a woman can go from being an 8 to a 4 from having kids and gaining weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:59 PM
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Your body has natural filtration systems that remove plastics over time. If you eat healthy whole foods you can fix this over time and improve your hormones. Your solution is fine but I'm telling you it isn't the only solution. It's better to admit that improvement is hard, as long as you know it isn't impossible.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:52 PM
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Bro. Life is desires, actions, and outcomes. If you want to become rich, there are certain things you NEED to do. If you aren't willing to do those things, you don't have to, but don't complain. It's exactly like women who want chad but won't lose weight and won't be feminine. You can't complain if you aren't willing to take action. That applies TO EVERY outcome in life. Some people are handed some things. Life is unfair. But Anything you aren't handed you have to work for.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:50 PM
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You have to make these changes for yourself. Start cooking your own food. Study nutrition. Buy products without microplastics that are minimally processed. Our society is the most free ever given we even have this option.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:40 PM
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Yes, but the difference is that even with the diminished health and attractiveness of men and women, men are still super horny compared to women. If both genders are fit and healthy, the playing field evens out because men are aroused by fertility which is age based and women are attracted to masculine strength which is health based.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:17 PM
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Okay I swear I saw a peer reviewed article on it but maybe I am wrong. Let me check
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:15 PM
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You need both the gym AND social confidence man. Neither is enough unless you're above average attractiveness or lucky. Its simply the hand we're dealt as men. You are no different than women who don't want to be in shape and don't want to be feminine. You HAVE to play to your strengths. Pretending your strengths don't exist is making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:08 PM
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Nope. Absolutely not true. A percentage of women are chasing chad but its not all women. Women with healthy self esteem and boundaries will not chase a man who strings them along and disrespect them. A LOT of the good women are invisible because they're already taken, but that doesn't mean they don't exist.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 03:04 PM
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Howso
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:44 PM
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How did you reach that conclusion from what I wrote?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:44 PM
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Chemicals and microplastic build up are causing negative effects on our hormones but unfortunately science hasn't been able to quanitfy how bad it is yet. But it's definitely a thing that's happening. Combine that with more sedentary lifestyles and vitamin D deficiency and you have a pretty solid explanation.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:19 PM
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I think of the solutions as reaching a minimum bar. A minimum bar would be "having a girlfriend who will have sex with you". Playing too many comparison games means you aren't seeing the big picture of how life works. We can't all be chad. You don't need to be chad. You need to be able to hold your own. Thats all. The percentage of guys who can "get a gf and have a healthy relationshi" is waaaay higher than the percentage of guys that are getting laid rn.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:07 PM
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Part of social intelligence is being able to tell the difference between a hard and soft no. Its the woman's job to communicate as well as possible obviously but there's still a subtlety to it. Also, I'm sure women don't hold you to the same standards they hold men to, which is okay.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:04 PM
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Of course a 5 year old isn't aware of looksmaxing, but our culture has changed so much that a 5 year old isn't as healthy as a 5 year old from 30 years ago. That was my point. Kids are being set up to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:02 PM
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Yes. But in life you can only worry about the things you can control. Arguing the juice isn't worth the squeeze is laziness, which isn't masculinity. Your unwillingness to chase your best self is part of the reason women won't want you in the first place. It literally proves itself.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 02:01 PM
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TRT is just exogenous testosterone. Your testicles will produce more T if you eat healthy, get enough vitamin D, and sleep. I have clinically low T and have been fighting it for years. You have a sufficient amount of control over your hormones.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:39 PM
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Yes but thing ARE things you can do to work against this predisposition. Comparing your struggle to other people is why we fail. "Other people eat junk and are fit so I shouldn't have to eat healthy!". That's not how life works. It isn't fair. Your ancestors bodies were tailored to their environment. Some people hold more body fat because they had harsher winters. I'm of African descent and my metabolism is super high and retain no body fat which makes sense given the history of my region. We si…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:37 PM
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Its true man. You have to accept the double standard and the fact that you have benefits you aren't taking advantage of. A man who works out and eats healthy will have 4x the energy levels of a woman who does the same. You have to maximize your strengths.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:27 PM
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100%
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:26 PM
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Yeah but I mentioned diet and exercise as well. Diet and exercise are heavily correlated with testosterone and estrogen levels. So if you're overweight SOMETHING has to be off. Its impossible to be overweight without missing the plot somewhere.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:25 PM
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For sure. But I'm just saying the defeatist mentality is cringe. Men can't complain about the advantages women have if they don't take advantage of their own strengths. Your balls produce literal steroids for free and you aren't using that to looksmax?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:24 PM
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Blackpill is cringe man
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:23 PM
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Yes. Kids that grow up playing basketball gain like 1 or 2 inches in height from jumping increasing leg length. Google it.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:22 PM
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I am red pilled. Imo this sub has a lot of blackpilled rhetoric.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 01:03 PM
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Read the whole post pls
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:38 PM
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Also, life sure asf isn't fair. Women can easily get sex but sex isn't what they want. Women are having trouble getting what they want just like men are. Take responsibility for your own life. We don't all start at the same starting line.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:31 PM
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If it doesn't come naturally to you then you have to learn it manually until it becomes natural. I completely agree that you shouldn't care what women want but if natural circumstances don't get you there then you have to engineer it somewhat. Something as simple as playing sports when you're young is enough to build confidence and social skills but if you didn't do that you have to catch up manually and thats better than giving up or making excuses.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:30 PM
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That isn't true though. The percentage of men who get attention from women but botch it is insanely high. One of the reasons women complain so much is that men botch relationships. Guys she would've given a chance screw it up. Or they don't see the opening in the first place. I'm not saying this accounts for EVERYTHING but I think AT LEAST 15% of sexlessness is easily accounted for in social awkwardness alone. If you're SUPER CHAD then women will overlook your social skills completely but its a …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 12:00 PM
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Read the whole post bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/03/22 11:57 AM
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Agreed. The perception that someone needs a gun speaks either to the environment they grew up in being dangerous of them being paranoid/distrustful of authority. Both are orange flags at best.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 11:22 PM
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Agreed. The vast majority of men don't realize how socially awkward they are. Game is the most important thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/03/22 08:28 PM
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You gave 9 a 6.5 when she's the hottest girl here by a mile and a half. What is this???
/r/PurplePillDebate15/03/22 12:14 PM
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Yeah but it was in the context of the post, women being attracted to assholes. Bisexual women usually aren't into masculine women (but gay women are). I can't explain the rules or how it works, only that statistically its like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:12 PM
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Marriage signifies commitment. That makes the kids feel safe as they grow up and learn how society works. Growing up in a household of commitment conditions them to see and expect commitment.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:08 PM
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Yeah but like I said, almost all women are bisexual or flexible. There aren't a lot of guys that would say the same. Bi guys are like 4% of males. I'm not saying your love isn't authentic, I'm saying the analogy doesn't apply to men.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:07 PM
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Height is a masculine trait. Testosterone makes men taller than women. You wouldn't marry a guy with no masculine traits.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 06:02 PM
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Stability and structure are important for kids. For their emotional security and growth. Consistency matters which is why coparenting isn't as good as cohabitation.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 05:56 PM
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I don't know exactly how female sexuality works. I do know a few things for sure. Most women are bisexual or sexually flexible. If your boyfriend LOOKS masculine then he can get away with no being traditionally masculine.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 05:55 PM
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I think most people are okay hurting women if it benefits them. But a lot of TRP is about self interest, so it's about being willing to do whatever it takes to get what you want, even if you hurt other people. PERSONALLY I don't live my life in a way where I take advantage of other people but I don't really blame guys who do.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/03/22 02:57 AM
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Red Pill is about getting the outcomes you want. Nothing else matters. The only thing that matters is that the Red Pill highly effective if you develop game and work on yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 12:25 AM
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Women are attracted to masculine traits. There's a high amount of overlap between dark triad traits and masculine traits. The issue is moreso the prevalence of daddy issues and Hollywood/music industry bad boy culture promoting the image. When you do the math, it ends up a huge percentage of women being attracted to bad boy traits but not all of them. Women with high self esteems usually won't have this issue.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 12:21 AM
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I want kids. So you have to make sacrifices for that. Once you have kids, your marriage is more about your kids than it is your relationship, at least imo. My parents avoided fighting/separating because of me and my brother and I'm super thankful for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/03/22 12:12 AM
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Sure, but those things benefit both men and women. Not only that, men on average work jobs that pay more than women's jobs. So net it's something that still benefits women. I personally wanna get married but there isn't a single argument that marriage benefits men more than it benefits women. Women just marry guys who are more successful and healthier. That's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 06:40 PM
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Men don't get married for financial growth. It's backwards. Men need financial growth BECAUSE they're married and are starting a family. Love and family are things the woman gets as well. Don't get me wrong, starting a family is a good enough reason to get married, but there is NO OTHER good reason for men to get married. If you don't want kids, marriage doesn't benefit you in a single way that you can't get outside marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 06:10 PM
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And that’s where I think you’re struggling with this idea — men can have GOOD reasons to get married that are intangible. Just because they aren’t “tangible” doesn’t mean they aren’t worthy reasons. It’s not a true scope of “What TRULY is the point of marriage for men?” You're basically saying men should get married for love, but that's the only reason. He's saying women have a long list of expectations that also include love, so it's not really comparable. If love isn't real, or if love can fad…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 04:13 PM
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Having children and only if you want to play an active role in your children's lives. Otherwise it really doesn't benefit much.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 04:10 PM
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Pros -6'2 -Super confident, witty, can carry any social interaction -smart -conventionally good looking by most standards Cons -Low testosterone -Neurotic for a man
/r/PurplePillDebate12/03/22 12:03 PM
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The average woman is way fatter but the hottest woman is way hotter. So its both.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/03/22 01:26 PM
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Great take. I've found I don't run into a lot of issues that TRP generalizes because I vet specifically for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/03/22 12:14 PM
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Yup. You have to change your personality. The percentage of women who like you when you're honest is REALLY low, even if you're attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/03/22 06:20 PM
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A lot of these arguments are class issues. Women from more dangerous environments will value both capacity for violence and expression of violence way more. Women from white collar environments are going to value things like charisma, assertiveness that are nonphysical kinds of confrontational skills. I think all women are turned on by violence if it's justified and it's to protect them though.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 08:22 PM
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I think saying women aren't romantic is unfair. Their romance fantasy just requires something that men can't relate to. Being the passive receiver of love still makes women swoon, delusional, and willing to commit irrational acts the same way men do. That's hard for us to understand because our biology doesn't work that way.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/03/22 02:06 PM
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No. Without enforced culturally monogamy, women will sleep with a small percentage of men since even syper attractive guys like variety. A huge percentage of guys get left out.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 10:05 PM
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I don't get pissy if women don't trust me. I think people in general are too trusting especially when it comes to people in intentions.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 09:47 PM
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I'm not saying it's right or fair or good, but it's biology. People are just animals. You shouldn't give people too much credit, especially men since our biological instinct is less nuanced than women's.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 08:08 PM
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Makes perfect sense. The problem is that the percentage of men women want is low. But the men women want are still needed to keep society running. Don't get me wrong, id never tell a girl to be with someone she doesn't want to. But will that potentially lead to societal collapse? Its possible.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:29 PM
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Sex is one of the only reasons men do anything. If men can't get sex or consistent physical relationships then they give up. Not saying it tracks or doesn't track but the logic is pretty sound imo
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 07:28 PM
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Most men would be happy with any old LTR which kind of proves his point.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/02/22 06:04 PM
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Yes they are. Its a skill you have to develop.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 10:53 PM
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I learned back in the Real Social Dynamics days before TRP etc. Id recommend studying basics of game and doing cold approach, but these days there's a stigma around cold approach so it might not work as well. Hard to say.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 08:22 PM
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It's this push pull thing that attracts women because its both arousing and fun for them. Most men lack emotional intelligence so it can he hard explain how it works and why its fun to learn, but learning game is the best thing I've ever done. Whenever I'm in a social situation I feel like 95% chance I'm the most socially calibrated guy. It's this balance between body language and what you say. The body language element conveys relaxation, confidence, and alternates between interest and disinter…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 06:07 PM
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I think men prioritize sex higher than women do because of how our sex drives work. Not saying it's okay but its unrelated to maturity in any objective sense. Grown ass men would still fuck 5 times a day if they could.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 02:19 AM
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Theres no shortage of men but there is a shortage of masculinity which is what turns on women
/r/PurplePillDebate26/02/22 01:20 AM
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At age 30 I consider anything higher than 15 to be above average. 30+ is when I start to get suspicious.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 07:56 PM
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I agree. TRP is a tool for getting what you want. If people can't get what they want through ethical means then they will resort to less or unethical means.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 03:58 PM
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I think its too easy to blame people who are desperate for something especially if you've taken it for granted. Even if its superficial or something you deem as unnecessary. Some people steal for food, but some people steal because they've never owned anything nice and are bitter and jealous for watching other people walk around in luxury. Both people should be punished, but I don't blame or judge either person too harshly. I've never had fucked up circumstances in that regard. It isn't fair for…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:51 PM
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I agree that TRP and FDS are roughly the same from a moral standpoint but I'd argue that TRP is way more effective at its end goal which is why its less cringe. Manipulation is morally dubious stuff but if it works you can't blame people for wanting to do it. The percentage of successful people with shady morality is SUPER high. Successful people with absolute moral integrity are more rare.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/02/22 12:23 PM
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I don't think the phenomenon you're describing is a male equivalent to Alpha Widowing. The BPD hot chick thing only happens because the woman preys on the insecurity of a man who can't attract many women. Men will take a less attractive woman over a crazy one eventually. Dead bedrooms is a result of two things. Low testosterone or their wife becoming less attractive. Guys who watch porn to get off over their wife is a result of one of the two. Not gonna say sleeping around doesn't affect men but…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/02/22 03:41 PM
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The consequences of making bad decisions when you're young and stupid as a woman are severe. Emotional trauma. Pregnancy. Building bad relationship habits. Having low self esteem. I think its harder to FIX your mistakes once you've made them as a woman. It has nothing to do with laws, it has to do with other people. Getting WHAT YOU WANT as a woman is more difficult even if you're attractive. The man you want can always leave. You can miscarry. Emotional trauma/sexual a**ault can ruin your abili…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:48 PM
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They have to WORK MORE but they also have more muscle, more endurance, and higher emotional resilience. Difficulty is relative. Women's lives are harder not because of effort but because of risk and freedom. Women have less freedom and more risk. The cost of making bad decisions as a women is INSANELY high compared to a man in society, ESPECIALLY if you aren't in the west. Women play it safe and have boring lives because they HAVE TO.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 12:53 PM
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If you have anything resembling a moral compass, you'll feel guilty about lying. You're starting off the relationship with a shadow behind you right off the bad, so essentially, everything that happens after that point happens with the context of knowing you haven't been honest. If you haven't been honest, how are you supposed to demand honesty from your partner. Lying just starts things off badly.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 04:54 AM
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Eh. 30+ at 25ish is when I start asking questions, because if anything its weird when someone isn't rotating out the same people from the previous 10 years. If you can't find a few fuck buddy's you like and stick to them that's kind of red flaggy. My number is 10 and I'm fine with a girl up to 30ish as long as she doesn't have BPD and did it out of poor impulse control.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 02:04 AM
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Women have higher life expectancy than men so I'm guessing that this is trolling. There are a huge number of reasons for this and they don't necessarily benefit women. Living longer doesn't necessarily = quality of life or difficulty of life.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/02/22 01:10 AM
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Men having it harder in life is a fucking ridiculous statement. Obviously women have it harder if you look all around the world and across history. Maybe SOME women IN THE WEST have it easier than MOST men but this is a result or artificial factors and not our nature.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 10:13 PM
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Oooo I've got some takes. I'd consider myself mostly redpilled but it doesn't mean there isn't a ton of cap in this community Things I agree with -women are aroused to masculinity period, but need security to pursue a LTR -PRESELECTION - JESUS CHRIST IF THERES ANYTHING IN TRP THAT WILL SHOCK YOU ITS THIS. Seeing how much other women like you makes every woman like you. -women make rules for betas and break rules for alphas. Can confirm. -women cap hard to seem virtuous. If you're non-judgmental …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/22 04:28 PM
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No. She was super attractive, smart, and made 6 figures. She made it clear she wasn't going to wait around for things to be perfect and I had health problems that made the relationship frustrating for her. She's an amazing person and we are still friends.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 10:43 PM
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Ultimately the only REAL standards I have outside of how pretty I think your face is 36 26 36 or how close she is to this.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 09:41 PM
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I think this isn't a men thing. Cheating is normalized for everyone. Not even related to the redpill.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:57 PM
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Wow this was actually a really sobering read. I just realized that the last girl I dated exhausted me for this reason even though I absolutely loved everything about her. The feeling that I constantly have to be making %150 effort. The feeling that any little slip up or mistake could ruin things (even though she really liked me and was super generous/lenient).
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:54 PM
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The spark is something I don't experience at all. I don't know if its because I'm a man or whatever, but essentially, no matter how many women are in the comments trying to explain it, the explanations don't make sense. It just sounds like "this person is so hot my brain turns off" and that's it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 01:59 PM
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Women on reddit are a super specific demographic. One of my exes was a redditor and I consider her proof of NAWALT. Women gere who are being genuine are probably actually like that.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 04:26 AM
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Reading the comments of this thread was maddening
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/22 02:57 AM
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Interesting thread
/r/PurplePillDebate19/02/22 03:09 PM
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I'll say this based on the comments. If even the women of PPD admit they generally don't wanna date Bi men, then 99.9% of women in the real world wouldn't either.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 05:47 PM
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Your account name, your flair, this comment. All of it is *chefskiss*
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 05:46 PM
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There's a concept called "congruence" in game. Women are generally better at sensing "fakeness" or "posturing" than men are. If you're a sadboi but it's part of your personality and vibe, and you don't pretend you're anything else, some women will like you for it. This doesn't mean that mental health issues aren't really bad for men and turn off most women, but I think his lack of awareness about it is probably what's more unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/22 03:39 AM
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Yeah. Kanye is in denial. Pete Davidson is congruent. His words and actions match. Kanye's don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 09:08 PM
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According TRP Pete is more attractive than Kanye. Mental health issues and lack of stable frame makes men way less attractive. Don't see what the contradiction is at all here.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 07:59 PM
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Nah I've got a really simple answer to this. Men simp after attractive women. Thats it. It doesn't matter who are what she is or what she does. The reason women simping after serial killers is weird is because a lot of these guys aren't even that attractive. Them being serial killers is part of the appeal whereas for men its completely irrelevant.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/02/22 03:27 PM
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You have to be that specific guys comfort zone. It's going to depend on the guy and probably his relationship with his mom (what kind of woman makes him feel most at home). There's no secret because there's likely no faking it. The guy has to feel like he can trust you and love you safely more than other women to overcome competition from other women.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 02:51 PM
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I'm super hot so I can be trophy bf
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 01:49 PM
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Red pilled-ish man. Women making money makes them more attractive but only by a small margin. Normal qualities men like matter way more.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/02/22 01:34 PM
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What happens when your girl is 40/50 and you're still getting attention from 20 year olds? You're telling me you can say with 100% certainty that you'd never stray?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 08:56 PM
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I'm a dude lol I'm just saying that you should either admit your goals are entirely selfish or acknowledge that women face a similar, somewhat mirrored struggle.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:47 PM
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Then these are high value guys who will cheat regardless. How does that contradict what I said?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:40 PM
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I sympathize with you but none of that actually benefits individual women. If you're promiscuous you at least get your cake up front. Because if you get old/gain weight later thats the end and its gonna happen anyway. Spreading the wealth around is going to hurt her more and she doesn't even get to sleep with someone she wants. I sympathize with you but none of that is logical from a woman's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:39 PM
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I've never cheated in a relationship before. I simply don't pretend to be better than people just because they've made mistakes I haven't. People who think they're 100% above things usually lack self awareness.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 05:00 PM
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I think the culture is pushing women in that direction but not all women will be in the same camp. Depends which generation you are. I'm a millennial so I'm not around enough younger women to know what its actually like.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:20 PM
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I see a lot of guys advocating traditional values and roles here. Even a woman sleeping around is a cost benefit analysis. If marriage and commitment are dead/a risk, then women might as well give in to their desires and live in the moment. I PERSONALLY think sleeping around hurts women way more than it does men but I'm just saying in the pursuit of fairness you can't blame women.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 04:03 PM
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I agree with most of your points. There's a cyclical nature to this in the west that goes like this imo. Women gains weight -> man becomes less attracted to her -> woman feels less chased -> woman puts out less -> man becomes dissatisfied -> man cheats -> woman divorces The REAL reason this is an issue is because of how prevalent health issues are in the western world. Food is terrible for you. Microplastics and chemicals are in everything. Staying skinny as an older person is impossible if you …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:48 PM
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Sure, I acknowledged that marriage is a shoddy bet for men as well. I'm just saying that if you're one of the men who is against marriage, you have to open your eyes and acknowledge that the ticket sucks from both sides. Men can't put the onus on women to "be more traditional" like it'll fix things because it only benefits men. For women its a gamble either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:35 PM
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Well what I'm advocating specifically is that men shouldn't blame women for pursuing financial independence, because it's the only safe option.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:21 PM
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But age is the factor that doesn't work in her favor, so she has to settle down eventually no matter what. Whether it's her attractiveness or ability to have kids, she loses a huge percentage of the market with each. Essentially, women can DO EVERYTHING RIGHT WHEN THEY'RE YOUNG and none of it will matter if the guy decides to leave her for a younger chick. That's my argument here.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 03:20 PM
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Don't you see how thats a shit sandwich though? Attractive women who just want their looksmatch basically have to deal with men who have a super high percentage of cheating. Basically, there's NOTHING a woman can do to know a guy won't cheat. The only thing she can do is date a guy less attractive than her. At the end of the day, beta bux makes sense as a security feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 02:59 PM
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This is decided by capitalism and the media, not men. Listening to Cardi B and boss girl marketing is what makes women masculine, not men's selection. Men will be attracted to women regardless even if they like masculine women less.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:47 PM
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Qyote this EVERYWHERE pls. Women can never understand the pressure. Not saying women don't have pressure to be feminine or whatever. But the pressure to be masculine is heavier.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/02/22 12:39 PM
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Most men will agree that most women are exhausting. I don't know if that applies both ways, but its something we deal with because we fucking love women.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:10 PM
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In the past people did. I'm not saying thats good or bad, but back then relationships were about obligation and duty before love. Love came afterwards.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:07 PM
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Yup agreed. I don't think TRP contradicts anything you've said OP.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/02/22 07:06 PM
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If Stacy has low self esteem she will do the pick me dance for Chad. If she has high self esteem she won't. But her self esteem is unrelated to how hot she is, so some hot women get played and some don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:28 PM
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Good thread
/r/PurplePillDebate13/02/22 01:26 PM
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I think the proper explanation is that women with higher self esteem are less susceptible to emotional manipulation, but right now there's a depression epidemic in the west. Some of it is culture (over emphasizing independent, which causes loneliness) and some of it is environment (crappy food, microplastics), but imo the outliers that do exist are usually these. I still think a huge percentage of the red pill doesn't have outliers though. Generalities say things like "women respond well to X" a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/02/22 01:26 PM
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Honestly yeah. A lot of women on online dating sites end up being experiments. Women don't tend to respond regardless unless they REALLY like you, and guessing "What kind of opener she wants to hear" is kind of hard. I've had the "hey mah them titties do be lookin big tho come over tonight" line work, and I've had the "You like Ocarina of Time AND the killers?? Green flag" fail. Online dating for men is shooting fish at the shoreline in the dark. You have no idea why something worked or didn't u…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 11:01 PM
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Nope. Couldn't sleep at night if I did.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 07:45 PM
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Pola is making a decent point about "naturalness" but this is still a "desirability" double standard so the argument doesn't apply. Women want what they want and men want what they want. A woman who said they didn't want a courageous man would probably be at least SOMEWHAT capping.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:57 AM
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This is what I was going to say. Bravery is a spectrum.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/22 12:53 AM
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Unfortunately I think there's a bit of a biology/culture thing here. Both men and women are generally raised by women. So both men and women grow up receiving and giving affection to women. I grew up with both parents but my dad was a stoic authority figure. I'm incredibly thankful for him, but our relationship made my relationships with men standoffish. I have lots of guy friends but I simply don't accept affection from them. So I have to get it from women. Anyone else who's from a more traditi…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 06:50 PM
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Nah any woman with a lot of female friends will experience this until they're like 40
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 05:48 PM
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I agree but I think the difference is that everybody KNOWS that men are like that. Men don't deny it. Its not a secret. Realizing that only like 40% of men realize women are like that is whats jarring.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:33 PM
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I think that being super attractive and having a lot of casual sex as a man let's you see a side of women than most men don't get to see. Once you realize that women in relationships WILL cheat and are sneaky, you lose some of your ability to naturally trust and bond with women. I frequently get hit on by a lot of my female friends that are in relationships and its disheartening. It's not that I don't think I could keep a woman but the realization that women "can just cheat easily if they want t…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 02:59 PM
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Finally, a good fucking thread
/r/PurplePillDebate09/02/22 03:46 AM
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Yeah I'm just saying that if you don't have ACTUAL GAME then fucking up your approach is incredibly easy. Most women learn to be pretty forgiving of men because they know it isn't easy and men still fuck it up.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 10:50 PM
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Every woman has multiple stories about a guy they were attracted to at first that fucked it up. Women talk about this all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 08:53 PM
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All Women Are Like That
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 08:45 PM
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I'm right though. A lot of the treatment women want is benevolent sexism. A lot of the behaviors women want come from benevolent sexism. I don't mean literally misogyny.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 01:29 PM
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EH. Yes but no. Looks are the most important thing for a woman to have BUT a few things. The bar is lower for women. Men are horn dogs. If you have ONE of the following then there will always be some guy who will date you. Young, nice body, pretty face. All women will be young at some point. And having a nice body is subjective because some guys like thin girls and some guys like curvy girls. If you have no curves, you can just be thin. Not saying thats always easy but it's ALWAYS possible. If y…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 12:24 PM
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Disagree. Natural extroversion is different than competence and easily distinguished.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 12:11 PM
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The problem is that the sexism works.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 05:03 AM
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He's right. Introversion DOES NOT make women less attractive. It makes her less likely to be social which may lead to less good opportunities. Introversion DOES make a guy less attractive, even if he's social and has a friend group. That's the difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 04:57 AM
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Man can’t have sex without going out of their way to get it. We don’t get chased. So if you don’t chase, you won’t have sex. Simple as that. That’s why shy men almost always have significantly lower body counts than confident men, regardless of physical attraction. Completely agree with everything you said. Was replying to January.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 04:51 AM
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Yup. Of women just kept it 100 about wanting a traditional masculine man that provides and is strong and tall life would be less annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 12:18 AM
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Nah sex is the only thing that matters until you're getting it consistently then priority wise it drops a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/02/22 12:15 AM
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None of this even matters. Being a stripper doesn't mean you're promiscuous. A lot of strippers are intentionally super chaste (comparatively). A stripper MAY be emotionally damaged but not necessarily for the same reasons as someone with a 100 n count.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 11:44 PM
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SOME women will support you if they believe in your potential but ONLY for a limited amount of time. I'm not going to blame them for being turned off though. Men have superficial interests and so do women. I just wish women wouldn't pretend that they're down for that kind of thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 11:38 PM
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Girl with many partners for free. I'm not dating someone who might publicly embarass me.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 07:28 PM
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I also agree but with a caveat. Upper class red pillers are less likely to be whining on reddit. They're probably the guys going hard in the gym, getting moderate success, turning into douchebros etc. I don't think the people here arguing on ppd are the people going to $5000 seminars by RP gurus. But those people are a huge part of the RP as a culture.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/02/22 12:01 AM
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Agreed. But often the children of the people who acquired wealth become naive as a result of being insulated from the struggle through which the wealth was acquired.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 10:42 PM
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I agree, but I'd argue that wealth shelters you from a lot of the less flattering aspects of human nature. Your point, even if correct doesn't say anything specific about people who adhere to RP or FDS. If anything, wealthier people are more naive as to what life is like for people who have to value resources and power as tools of survival.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/02/22 10:21 PM
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I think a factor that people don't mention enough is that having children makes you more conservative. The logic is like this. If you're single and don't have kids, you don't worry about the effects society has on people. You don't care if "video games might make kids violent" or if "rap music promotes degeneracy". When you have kids, you realize that the culture around your kids influences them, and it makes you more wary of potential negative influences. I don't know if there's a version of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/02/22 05:04 PM
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Id consider anything above 12 to be high but not indicative of any issues. I think 30+ is when I start asking questions. Dated women before with higher numbers and it hasn't been an issue for me.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 08:31 PM
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Nah male sexuality is actually really simple. I think you're reading too far into a specific example. Men's desire for sex and relationship needs are somewhat separate whereas for a lot of women they overlap. Men will always be indepdently be attracted to sexual characteristics that turn them on. In a vacuum, feet guys like feet. Its that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:24 PM
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This one. Stop the cap.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/02/22 07:22 PM
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I completely agree with you PERSONALLY but OLD is about statistics. If only 35% of the population is even in your corner of basic taste before you get to other things it has a huge effect. I think its why people FEEL like they have options when in reality only 5% of people might be dateable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 07:23 PM
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People who aren't into internet culture, niche culture, nerd culture etc. They like sports, the bachelorette, read cosmo etc. The kind of girls who are marrying the guys with fish profile pics.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 05:36 PM
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Re-read what I wrote. Absolutely not denying that, that happens at all. Every girl I've dated has had interests in common with me. But if you factor in "normie women", then a lot of them have interests most guys won't have. I'm just saying STATISTICALLY, the percentage of women with "guyish" interests isn't that high.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 05:20 PM
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Unfortunately, most women aren't likely to have interests in common with most men. So finding a girl who you can be friends with in the same way you're friends with guys is pretty rare. Not saying it doesn't happen, but a lot of guys accept that it won't and date someone that's attractive that they find pleasant instead. Not trying to blame you for feeling objectified, but it's possible that your interests/personality aren't "guyish" enough for a guy to desire other things from you, and you shou…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 04:23 PM
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Testosterone makes men bold. It gives up a little bit of an emotional shield when we get amped up. When doing pickup, approaching the first girl is hard, but after you've approached one girl and got rejected, your shield goes up and subsequent rejections get easier and easier.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/02/22 11:43 AM
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You can just tell man
/r/PurplePillDebate02/02/22 03:38 PM
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I don't think there are any specific benefits, the IDEA is that a Red Pill man is more likely to be high value, confident, and fun to be around. This only applies if this guy has actually done the work. The Red Pill as an ideology isn't going to make a guy more attractive to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 11:16 PM
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I mean... I'd rather live in that world but let's not pretend for a second that we actually live in that world.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 10:54 PM
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I would posture the opposite. In the real world, before technology and infrastructure made everything easy, the patterns we see in lower economic classes more closely mimic human nature as it is. I'm not saying we aren't capable of higher values and rational thought etc, just that removing danger altogether is a level of comfort most humans that have ever lived would never dream of. Removing the need for physical strength because the milk truck will deliver your food? All this "high minded stuff…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 09:48 PM
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Haha. Not to gas myself up, but I'm way better looking than he is. The honest reason I enjoy redpill content is because I have a chronic condition that stops me from dating. While I focus on improving my health, I like content that keeps me hungry so I don't get complacent. I learned game back in the RSD days of 2012ish. I think a lot of Redpill content has lost the plot, but I do think no matter what anyone says, every man should learn game AT A BARE MINIMUM. The generalizations about female na…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 07:27 PM
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I'm black. I'm not African American and hip hop culture doesn't really interest me, but two things Black men are held to higher standards of masculinity than white men are. We don't have long hair and traditionally feminine features as often as white men. So we generally aren't rewarded for it as much. I have a more metrosexual style of dressing (skinny jeans etc), and while most women consider me very attractive, it turns off women who like more masculine men. A huge percentage of these women a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 06:09 PM
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Louder for my people in the back
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 05:45 PM
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You aren't seeing this from the perspective of someone who actually grew up in poverty at all. Power is an amalgamation of physical security, social status, and financial security. For anyone growing up in a dangerous environment, physical behaviors that convey toughness are important. Social status is one of the most important tools to acquire resources since there isn't as much pure economic opportunity. "Having a guy" and "who you know" are more important concepts than something like "having …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:01 PM
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Physical danger is probably the most important aspect of this. You cherry picked one part of the equation. There's a high correlation between poverty and lack of safety. It isn't always 1 to 1, but the correlation between dangerous environments and toxic behavior is 1 to 1.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:49 PM
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I think it's the difference between feeling invisible and feeling worthless.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 03:05 PM
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Women love masculine men. Women reward masculine men. Women literally enforce the patriarchy with the only thing ALL men want from them.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/22 04:56 AM
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Being trustworthy essentially redeems any other negative qualities or experiences she might have. I'd prefer someone who has a past but will be honest about it over someone who I can't trust.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:10 PM
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If I could only pick 3 things 36-26-36 Trustworthy/honest Nice face. Doesn't have to be 9/10 pretty to be good enough
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/22 08:05 PM
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Yup I actually don't disagree with OP. I was being transparent lol.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:31 AM
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I don't think so. I think it's more about perception. It's the woman's job to convince the man that she's sleeping with him because she likes him, which is why you hear so many lines like "I don't normally do this" and "no hookups!"
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 01:08 AM
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It's hard to explain why but there's something about a woman seeking casual sex that's a turn off. I think it's because women can get sex so easily. If she's looking for casual sex openly it indicated super high body count or lack of discretion. Lack of discretion bothers me way more than body count honestly.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/22 12:59 AM
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Could be location. I live in Florida and Tinder is like 50% girls with beach bodies in Bikinis. Probably hotter than the average location in the US.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:38 AM
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Nah most women don't get fat until they're like 27ish. I'm 30 and most of the women on Tinder are smashable.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/22 10:33 AM
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Nah. I don't even believe you're delusional. If Red pill content or viewpoints upset you thats understandable but you shouldn't argue in bad faith. Most people are pretty transparent about their views. Take it as a good opportunity to learn something. Most men in the real world won't be honest with you.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:33 PM
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This isn't a gocha question. It seems like you're in this thread mainly to blow off steam, which is fine, but if you want an earnest argument, I'm genuinely here for that. I'm genuinely trying to follow your reasoning. Things like your age and what country you live in might skew your views a lot.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 01:20 PM
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January that logic would track if they didn't end up being women that you date or hook up with later. Even IF a woman would already be attracted to you, women make way more effort to make their interest obvious when you're taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:54 AM
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How old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:33 AM
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Nah. You genuinely don't believe I'm trolling lol. Stop the cap.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:33 AM
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Idk why you're being obstinate. Women I've actually dated have told me they love when a guy is mean to everyone except them. My dad and my moms relationship is literally like that as well. Its one of the most classic relationship dynamics of all time. It demonstrates that the man is both protective and loyal to his wife. Marrying a bully who hates everyone except you is actually a genius investment for women.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 11:14 AM
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LOL I have no idea why you're responding the way you are. If you're on the east coast of the US like I am, you should get some sleep. Maybe you can be more polite when you wake up.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:13 AM
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There are dozens of studies showing that women prefer tall, dominant men with dark triad personality traits. It doesn't matter if it's sexist if statistically its true. It's like arguing that men liking younger curvy women is sexist and false. On average its true and its biological.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 05:12 AM
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Sex hormones cause a lot of the things you're complaining about. Testosterine makes men aggressive. The physiology of the penis and testicles are the reason arousal is different for us. Society can control the things it can control but biology will always have a certain amount of influence in some things. Here's an example. Women are attracted to strong dominant men. This makes makes men compete for dominance. Men bully other men. This reinforces toxic masculinity culture BECAUSE IT WORKS. You c…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/22 04:25 AM
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I think this is more likely that their wives have become less attractive as they've gotten older. Whether they've put on weight or let themselves go in other ways.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/22 12:21 PM
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Subbed. Good thread idea
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/22 07:31 PM
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The answer to this is simple. You can trust some women. Maybe like 40%. 35% of that 40% are in stable relationships and tend to be taken.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/01/22 04:18 PM
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LOTS of women date much older men. Those are marriage statistics and if you have statistics claiming women won't date much older then link them.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 04:09 PM
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None of this matters because women are crazy about men in their 40s. You can rationally argue that there are reasons these men aren't good bets, but if women want to date them then that's all that matters.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/01/22 03:54 PM
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"A man with options" is an answer I've seen that I really like. It'll be a slightly different man depending on if he's 20s or 40s, but as a rule it's really accurate. A man who's valuable to women. It's that simple
/r/PurplePillDebate15/01/22 11:55 PM
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Women are actually statistically better shots than men. Doesn't mean they're better under pressure but still.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/01/22 12:31 AM
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The question was directed at women. I was asking her to CLARIFY her answer. The criticism I gave was explaining why her answer was too open to interpretation. You then jumped on me because I was trying to get clarity saying "it ain't that deep bro" when the whole point of the post was to answer the question.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:07 PM
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Your answer is projecting your own personal limits onto other men AND onto women which is not only insanely arrogant but definitely terrible advice given the wide variety of cultural expectations people have.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:01 PM
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Filling in the gaps for vague arguments is exactly why guys are so fucking confused. I'm providing that example as a question because making assumptions about where people's boundaries are is stupid and how you end up in messes like this in the first place. If my mom dies and I'm not allowed to cry for an entire month then I'd rather know that. You see the difference?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:46 PM
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Okay so from a guys perspective what you're saying sounds really disturbing. Basically, you said the reason doesn't matter, only the frequency. But most guys don't cry unless the circumstances are unusual. But unusual circumstances are more likely to lead to frequent crying. So if your man's mom dies, and he cries every day for 2 weeks, that's too much? But if he cries once because he chipper a nail that's okay?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:06 PM
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Don't listen to him, thank you for being honest. Its just better for guys to be in touch with reality. If we can't cry its fine. Its just better for us to know up front.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:38 PM
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Yup January that kind of response sounds like bait. If you can't clearly articulate where the limit is then I would just advise guys never to risk it.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:34 PM
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Dating as a guy is a numbers game. You can be intelligent enough to recognize exceptions while still focusing on trends and rules.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 10:57 AM
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Pete isn't even bad looking man people trying to dunk on him or use him as an example are big dumb. 6'3 super rich, white celebrity, that's charismatic and funny. If he was UGLY or something yeah sure but he's slightly above average looking at worst.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:26 AM
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Actually American has military bases all around the world and projects the most power outside of its borders... the biggest bullies are us lmao. You just thought of North Korea because American propaganda is amazing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 05:23 AM
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Not true in practice. Bullying people is actually way cheaper than rewarding them, because people who feel entitled are more likely to act out and create inconveniences down the road. It's why parents say shit like "Because I said so". Anything else is opening the door to more questions.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 04:23 AM
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That's good. Protect yourselves. Given that they're getting sex in return at least, whatever manipulation you can pull can't be that morally reprehensible.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 03:04 AM
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Sarkington have you read human history? Read the bible? The Q'ran? We've been misogynists for 99.9% of human history... uh, so yeah. Honestly it is the best dating strategy.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/22 02:59 AM
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The percentage of women who fall prey to this stuff is insanely high. Men don't have the luxury of "writing off women".
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/22 10:07 PM
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You don't live in the US? I'm sure your intentions are good but it explains the amount of disconnect here. Things you may feel are obvious are not obvious to most people here. My family is not American and I grew up with both parents so I didn't experience a lot of these issues. But the percentage of my friends with divorced or separated parents is incredibly high. That isn't even counting people who were born out of wedlock. Most men in the US don't have a good male role model it seems and when…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 08:01 PM
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The vast majority of men in the U.S. don't have strong male role models. There is literally nobody else to take after. The divorce rate is above 50%. Most men are raised by single mothers, who do their best obv but aren't going to be able to provide a solid masculine example. Why do you think Trump, Jordan Peterson, andnJoe Rogan are so popular? Because men lack masculine authority figures to look up to. Its just the male equivalent of Daddy issues. Society creates beta/nice guys. Guys aren't bo…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 06:14 PM
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You're telling me you don't follow any prepackaged societal narratives? Men are told that rejecting toxic masculinity is prowomen. Rejecting boys clubs is supporting women. Calling out your boys whenever they say anything homophobic/racist/sexist is progressive. Any guy who does these things ends up isolating themselves.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 05:24 PM
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There are women that I trust, but I trust women less than men because women are better at lying and deception. If a guy's lying to me my feelings usually aren't involved so it isn't even going to matter that much. If a girl I'm interested in is lying to me then that could end up being painful, so I have to be even more skeptical. I'd say I just generally don't trust anyway, but whether I trust men doesn't usually matter since our relationships are more clearly transactional.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:33 PM
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I think the latter is probably a better assessment. I think there's probably a correlation between "daddy issues" and not willing to accept weakness in a man as well. Girls who grow up and see their dad with ups and downs will probably be less likely to freak out but thats just my theory. Probably closer to 35% of women in the US, given the divorce rate and the insane amount of people who grow up without consistent fathering.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:19 PM
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I'll say this. I've dated a girl who I've been able to safely trust with my insecurities and show weakness. I know they exist. But its literally like 10% of girls. Women like that are highly likely to be married already so they're really rare to encounter if you're dating in your 30s etc. I'm not gonna pretend good men are common either, but I'm just saying for men, this is why our solutions mostly suck.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:04 PM
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A lot of it is the stigma. Younger boys are being raised not to enter masculine spaces. So the percentage of men with absolutely no support systems at all has gone up.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 04:01 PM
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CimZim unfortunately it doesn't work the same both ways. For women, I understand why an insecure man is a bad bet. He may be unstable financially, and he may be potentially jealous or violent as a result of insecurity as well. But insecure girls are awesome for men. Men naturally want to protect and provide, so being able to be the emotional rock for a girl who's unsure of herself makes men feel amazing. Assuming her insecurities don't severely bleed into every aspect of her life. Also, dependin…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:44 PM
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A lot of men actively try to reject toxic masculinity, which tends to fester in these kinds of boys only clubs. However, if you reject men, the only avenue left to emotional support is women. And yeah, most of them suck at supporting men or understanding things from our perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:36 PM
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I think he's moreso referring to "boys clubs" of various types being shut down or having the rules changed since they exclude women. I acknowledge that clubs are inherently linked to societal power and status, but these environments are also one of the only places guys are allowed to relax and it's precisely because women aren't there.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/22 03:35 PM
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Agreed and super good point. A small percentage of women will actually win big in this scenario and managed to win Chad's heart.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/01/22 03:56 AM
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Nope. Not projection. All guys want this.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/22 10:39 PM
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Not exactly. The evolution of weapons meant that weaker males could kill stronger males with trickery and the element of surprise. This means that even Alpha males have to build a strong reliable social circle. Essentially, they have to be willing to share women TO AN EXTENT to ensure their own security. Feudal society strongly reflects this. Where like 20% of the population royalty, nobles, and knigjts and everyone else sucks. Its funny because in some ways it reflects the 80/20 rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 05:07 PM
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The burden of having to approach makes rejection sting man. Having to put your neck out there sucks. If a girl rejects me, I just don't wanna be friends with her. Its that simple. Its for my own sanity. If you think a guy should JUST TOLERATE THE PAIN AND EMBARASSMENT OF REJECTION then congrats you're another girl who doesn't care about men's feelings and prove all our points about why you should be stoic and toxic.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:50 AM
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Based
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 02:48 AM
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This is why I complimented FDS a month or two ago. A lot of women don't start having an honest conversation about this with themselves until its too late.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/22 01:32 AM
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I wouldn't marry either of these women in real life. I've never cheated on a partner and never intend to. But as far as the hypothetical and these are the only two women in the world? Yeah I'd cheat. And secondly. I think here's where the confusion comes from. The Redpill doesn't really make an effort to downplay negative male nature, whereas the manosphere does. A lot of guys are Redpilled but still see how men are shitty and can acknowledge that the game we're playing is grimey and selfish. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:10 PM
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Woman B. Realistically she could probably be coached or encouraged to enjoy sex but even if she wouldn't, I'd rather have woman B and cheat on her than woman A.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 07:36 PM
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Dude what the fuck Are you a girl? What kind of wild take is this? You aren't even presenting any arguments, you're just TELLING ME, "height doesn't matter". Almost all girls want a guy who's AT LEAST taller than her. This is statistically verifiable.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 04:53 PM
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Like I said, I'm at least chadlite, so I'm not a good example. In almost all of my friend groups I'm the most attractive, outgoing guy. With that being said, I still have to do the work at the guy. Women don't usually lead with their coochie if they like you. Anyway, I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to illustrate that the experience of the average man and average woman is different. This is a debate sub as you said.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:52 PM
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It means I'm tall, attractive, and have high enough social intelligence that I know the difference between normal and cringe. My only real issue is I have low Testosterone so I don't chase women as hard as most men do, but I have a lot of women who regularly want to hang out or be buck fuddies.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:48 PM
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I didn't say A LOT of effort. I said effort. I have to spit game, organize the meet up, blah blah blah. Now you're just trying to pick a fight lol. What do you want? Why are you here.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:31 PM
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Having trouble is about outcome. Struggling to do something is being unable to find a solution. I said I don't struggle with women but still have to make an effort compared to an average women to get laid. How is that complicated?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:28 PM
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Did you read what I wrote or???
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:24 PM
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I have no trouble with women at all. Even for me, getting women to sleep with you takes EFFORT. That's the point. Fornwomen getting sex is effortless. For even the top 20% of men you still have to try. If you're top 10% and ripped them yeah women will throw themselves at you.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:22 PM
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You're confusing how necessary height is for survival with how attractive it is. Women are still super attracted to height.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:12 PM
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Exceptions don't make the rule. Being a man is a numbers game. If it applies to even 60% of women its great advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:55 AM
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You didn't read what I read. Size displays go back before humans even evolved into humans. It goes back to our lizard brains. EVERY SINGLE SPECIES of animal is intimidated by size difference. Size difference makes tools more efficient as well. The phenomenon you're talking about didn't even matter until projectile weapons like spears, and even then, a bigger stronger guy can throw a spear further and more accurately. This is a universal truth idk why you'd even dispute it.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:54 AM
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Size being an intimidation factor goes back way further than human intelligence and weapons. In the wild all animals size up opponents and make an estimation of whether or not they can win a fight. An easy reason is because longer legs means you can run faster. Failing to kill someone faster than you is insanely dangerous. Therefore height still mattered and is still selected for.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:40 AM
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Women will rarely approach or give any hints even if they do like you so the difference is completely indistinguishable or irrelevant to most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 11:14 AM
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It is attractive. It makes women approach you. It attracts them. This is just semantics. Men are concerned with the outcome. Anything that makes women sleep with you makes you more attractive. It doesn't really matter if its out of insecurity or not.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:51 AM
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Eh. Goodluck. If you have no experience dating men then you're just in here to argue. I don't blame you, life is boring. Have a nice night.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:34 AM
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Well if thats how you feel then our convo is over. Good talk.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:33 AM
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You just proved our point. Thats called competition anxiety. That pain makes women that otherwise wouldn't approach you or make a move, make a move. This is just semantics. Actions are all that matter. Women MAKE AN EFFORT with taken men. They usually don't make an effort with single men. Its a world of difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:33 AM
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...how old are you?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:29 AM
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A lot of girls in online dating seem to hate it but my favorite girls ever don't mind. I usually wait a few before dropping any.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:28 AM
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80% of the guys on this forum will tell you how difficult it is to get laid. Are you purposefully being obtuse? You're projecting your experience as a woman onto men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:25 AM
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I don't know what you're getting at. Men are telling you what its like to be a man. Way more women hit on you when they know you're taken. Its just that simple. They get way more aggressive with it as well. There is no meme.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:22 AM
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Doesn't matter had sex. I feel like you're misunderstanding men. That's literally the goal. You got laid. So you won.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:19 AM
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How? Have you ever tried to get laid as a man? I feel like you're just copying common responses red pilled members make in an attempt to gaslight.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:18 AM
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Yup.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:17 AM
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You do see it a lot. They just don't get married, and as men of status they have to keep it hush hush.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:17 AM
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This is insane cap. Even as a super attractive guy you have to work really hard to get laid. The average guy can't do it at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:16 AM
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I'll bite. All men like hot women. That doesn't mean there aren't men who won't cheat. ALL men are potentially dangerous. That doesn't mean all of them are abusive. All women are attracted to men with options. That doesn't they'll actually go for them etc.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:14 AM
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If a girl hooks up with you, you aren't an orbiter.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:12 AM
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Thats correlation not causation though. Meeting people of similar values and intelligence is hard after College outside of social circle game.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:11 AM
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Salt men don't care about your accomplishments. They care about your personality and that you're smart, but actual social status is completely irrelevant. Id take a girl who never goes outside, but reads books, is cute, loyal, and is attractive over any girl that is less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:09 AM
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Everyone woman can cheat just be breathing. Even an unattractive woman could download tinder and get a guy to come over in an hour. Its effortless.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:06 AM
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Silveryspoons is literally works. Women are 10x more attracted to you when you get attention from other women. Its just that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 10:03 AM
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Yeah but its just evolution. We've only had guns for the past thousand years. Back in the day being the biggest strongest guy was what matters. And to be fair, it still does. Being big and strong means you're unlikely to get mugged. People are unlikely to start shit with you on a whim. Ex: I'm a 6'2 guy and have never been afraid to walk around at night etc. People literally just don't attempt to talk to me.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:57 AM
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Its possible to win the battle but lose the war. Winning a fight doesn't show dominance if your judgment about the situation is bad or you end up looking weak. This is why guys whonrun around starting fights out of insecurity aren't attractive. Its more nuanced. Guys who give off vibes are strength are attracted because the vibes are usually enough to ward off other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 09:55 AM
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Nah it's not. It's because back in the Neanderthal days rape was a perfectly valid strategy for spreading your genes. Any woman just walking around by herself would be quickly snatched up by a man. Women's need for tall, strong men, is actually perfectly rational. Even today, if society was to break down and things went to shit, having an intimidating man would be every woman's best bet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 03:32 AM
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One of the reasons women need men evolutionarily is as protection from other men, so a man that's dominant over other men is inherently attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/22 12:00 AM
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Women's perception of what qualify as a bad boy varies, but all women are attracted to bad boy traits. The final package still matters. Girls from the hood will probably like a more "bad boy" guy than girls who grew up in a white collar environment, but all of them will be attracted to the perceived bad boys from their environment. I don't think anyone would really even deny that.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 09:59 PM
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LMFAAAOOOOO screenshotting this convo for epic
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 05:00 PM
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Nah, this is cap. All women like bad boys, just not all bad boys are unsuccessful losers. Not all bad boys are abusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:37 PM
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I know a chick who's 49, never married, and still wants to be married, still has baby rabies.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/01/22 04:31 PM
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Agreed. Good post.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:58 PM
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Every aspect of milking those benefits relies on men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 09:20 PM
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Is it?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 06:19 PM
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I acknowledged that women have an advantage in dating, and dating as an average, or less attractive guy is difficult. But I think "women have it EASIER IN LIFE"than men arguments are the issue. Western Industrialized society is the first time in history this argument is even possible. Reality itself benefits men. If society broke down, there would be nothing protecting women from men who want to take what they want outside of other men. The reality on which our society exists is still reality. M…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 04:20 PM
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I agree then. I think a lot of people conflate the manosphere and TRP. Most popular RP content creators have to sell a cultural agenda as well. Back in my day (RSD days) people just cared about female nature and game. That's how it should be.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:25 PM
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I'm not understanding your initial comment then. Did you actually have an underlying point or was it ad hominem?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 03:04 PM
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I'm red pilled. Almost all of the tenants about game, masculinity, and female nature are accurate. However, men's conclusions about what its like to be a woman in the popular manosphere are fucking ridiculous.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:53 PM
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Seriously. Dudes with horny brain hyperfixate on sex and dating. It's a BIG part of life, but it's not as big a part of life as survival, the part where men are willing to do whatever to get by, no matter who it impacts. Testosterone gives men killer instinct. Men are inherently dangerous if circumstances are dire. Most women couldn't achieve this level of dangerousness even if they really wanted to. You can't blame women for writing off men's emotions to an extent. They HAVE TO for protection. …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/01/22 02:08 PM
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I'm not saying that they're as attractive as bad boys to women but as long as they're masculine they're still attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 04:15 PM
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I think it's more commonly for ego or emotional gratification, since most one night stand guys arent' going to make her orgasm etc. Not that that's any worse or better than sexual graitifcaiton, but I would argue that there's a correlation between insecurity and sleeping with random people with "promiscuous women".
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/21 02:58 PM
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I think it might but it's strategic. It's IMPORTANT for men to slightly overestimate their own value. Confidence goes SUPER far for men. If a guy is MOSTLY self aware but a LITTLE delusional about how great he is women generally love it. It's more attractive to women to assume you're attractive and not be right but not be wrong then it is to have the psychological baggage off worrying about your attractiveness all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 05:47 PM
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It's different. I said gentle guys. Most straight women are turned on my by masculine behavior and turned off by feminine behavior. Aggression is a masculine trait, but you know what also is? Stoicism. That's why the "strong silent type" is a thing. A tall gentle guy is attractive to women if he's stoic. The "guy doing chores" thing is probably the woman feeling like the guy is being submissive and is probably linked to more than JUST the fact that he's doing chores. He's probably doing chores t…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/21 01:54 AM
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I literally didn't say anything like that... I understand that hanging out on this forum is probably exhausting for women but try to take arguments in good faith and at face value. HONESTLY if it's a casual hookup, and/or the guy isn't interested in committing time or energy into the relationship, then yes, that's all that matters. But if you meet someone you really love and gel with, you STILL want them to be really hot. Lots of guys (and girls) are willing to compromise based on what they thin…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:41 AM
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????? How did you get any of those conclusions from my comment? This applies to all men to some extent. I'm not saying all men want a young woman specifically. Just that a guy would rather start dating someone who's young, have lots of awesome sex and great memories, THEN get married.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 01:00 AM
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I think the terrible average health of people in the western world has a measurable effect on why birth defects are so bad in later years. Even so, I think men still want to get to enjoy a girl when she's at her hottest.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:48 AM
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I think women fail to understand that most men are biologically turned off by masculine women the same way women are turned off by feminine men. There's nothing to understand. Men just don't wanna commit to independent boss babes. It isn't fair and I agree its problematic but I feel it as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/21 12:35 AM
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Men like lesbians because most women are bisexual. It has nothing to do with true lesbians. If anything, men are so used to bisexual women that they can never be sure a girl is a true messianic, here the behavior of trying to convert women.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/12/21 12:55 PM
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I think you're just proving men's point in some ways. You could literally just approach and only like 15% of guys might reject you/not call you back. I know that this isn't what turns most women on, but the point is, if you make even a SLIVER of effort, you can get way better results than even the most attractive men could.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 06:22 PM
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Lots of women value intelligence. It's not a HUGE percentage but I've met lots of women where I've felt my physical appearance wasn't as important as my mind. They def aren't a huge percentage of the population though. Maybe like 7-10% but they are out there. Obviously the other women don't want a dumb guy, but I mean guys who are true sapiosexual or only attracted to intelligent men and are attracted to the intelligence itself regardless of appearance.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/12/21 06:21 PM
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I have absolutely no problem attracting women but have extremely low libido. Its super frustrating and emasculating.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/12/21 06:35 PM
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Aggressive and volatile are wrong words. Unpredictable and exciting are better terms. The physical attraction element is more linked to dominance and protection. Even gentle guys that are tall and jacked make women feel safe. Your articles are all valid but your conclusion misinterprets the data.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/12/21 01:46 AM
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You want me to explain biology with math? Explaining why women are attracted to taller/confident/powerful men or why men are attracted to fertile women is explained by those traits statistically being most likely to create strong, healthy offspring. I'm not sure what you're asking for. Everything is made of math.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 05:17 PM
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I don't know how you can separate "attraction itself" and "being attractive helps you". Can you explain the difference? Being attractive includes qualities that aren't physical.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 05:03 PM
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Hes right. Dating for men is a numbers game. For women it isn't. Its best to attract the largest percentage of women and go from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/12/21 04:52 PM
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It isn't about finding a Unicorn, its about finding someone you're definitely compatible with and share values with. If you're looking for the right things its doable.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 11:05 AM
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Getting married early is actually great if you find a good one. Higher quality partners get snatched up earlier. Waiting until you're 30 is waiting for someone who's a late bloomer or flawed in some way.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 10:39 AM
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Some people just want kids. If wanting kids is the goal then you'll have to compromise. Besides, even if you DONT have kids, marriage will still reduce your individual freedom to an extent.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/12/21 10:36 AM
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Yes. AMALT. Its biology.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/12/21 04:58 PM
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When every child at a party gets a piece of cake, and child already has a piece of cake, but wants another piece of cake that belongs to someone else's piece of cake, or wants more cake despite having a perfectly good piece, we teach them they are being greedy. Exact same shit bro the logic still applies to men to.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 05:06 PM
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Dude your projecting the male experience onto female biology and calling it unhealthy. You're literally doing exactly what TRP claims women do. It is healthy because it's how women are. You just have to deal with it. Wanting to fuck a new girl even if you have a perfectly good hot GF already obviously isn't logical or healthy either but men still feel the urge anyway.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/21 04:52 PM
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I love them but they have to be sweet and non competitive. My favorite gf ever was an Engineer/professor who made tons of money and was super intelligent. But she was never combative or competitive. She was always sweet to me and if anything would use her intellect to tease me. It's great but I do know some successful women that are annoying.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/21 12:32 PM
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Both of these problems have an equivalent on the female side. Despite being up front with their desires for the right man, getting commitment from men who fulfill their needs is hard. 2ndly, women are shamed or become failures if they're 30 and not married. The difference is that men have 15 extra years to get their lives in order. Once you're 45 as a man and haven't made it, you've failed
/r/PurplePillDebate29/11/21 02:39 PM
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I think the statistical prevalence of desirable men vs desirable women makes this difficult. There are way more desirable women than men, so any desirable men can either consciously or unconsciously use this as leverage to make you chase harder than you normally would. I totally agree that women should be careful about the two scenarios you outlined, but it's likely to work better on simpier guys. If that's okay, then it might work decently. I feel that men are less emotionally nuanced and are e…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 10:40 PM
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The only thing men whine about is not getting laid. TRP is proof of that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/21 12:28 PM
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Red Pill is a good thing because I works. It closes the gap between what men want and men's outcomes. Its good for men. Whether it's bad for women varies.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 10:02 PM
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Why would men care? They're getting sex in exchange
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 09:39 PM
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I would agree with you except you included that a woman should pay for a man or give him money. So essentially the man pays for everything but doesn't get anything in return. Men give all the things you listed back to women, thats just equivalent exchange.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 06:13 PM
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Well unfortunately, men are programmed to be Hornier than women. So TRP is about getting our needs met. You can always say "well men are just shallow" from your corner but unfortunately it doesn't change how men are, and TRP doesn't tend to downplay the negative nature of men. I empathize with women, because the biology of men makes them dangerous both physically and emotionally, whereas for men, women are just confusing and frustrating. But giving men the tools to get what they desire is still …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 06:12 PM
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I think it's more of a healthy skepticism that will be tempered by reality. The redpill doesn't distort my view of the world that much because I have acfual female friends. I know not all women are shallow, manipulative, trickle truthing etc. But reminding myself that women aren't angels is way more important. Given how horny men are compared to women, we tend to suffer from pedestalizing women way more easily than the other way around. Thats why TRP is mostly okay. Because the natural effect wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 06:09 PM
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Okay not only do I agree but LMR is one of the worst things The Game teaches holy fuck. Can confirm. As someone who was there in the beginning, it's something I literally had to unlearn. Really bad and cringe advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:54 PM
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Are you Red Pilled?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:53 PM
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It isn't hate though. It's distrust and general wariness. I think you can distrust women on principle but still recognize a good one when you find one. Just to be clear, I don't distrust women on principle, but I'm saying that's still a solid rubric and most women live that way as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:43 PM
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LOL well what are girlfriends supposed to do then? You said you shouldn't handicap his natural masculinity but you also said women should reject traditional feminine roles as well. So what role do women play in a relationship?
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:42 PM
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TRP hate is directed towards women in general, not specific women. Its why a lot of women are afraid of men or dislike men but still love and trust certain men. TRP is basically just that. I think you're overcomplicating this in that there's a pretty healthy female equivalent. The redpill just makes me skeptical of peoples intentions if they are extremely transparent. I'm not out to manipulate people so I don't feel guilty holding my cards close to the chest.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:33 PM
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Disagree. A woman can love you for your personality, but superficial aspects are what help men get in the door. Using superficial aspects to get people to love you for who you are is normal. In fact, its what women do with makeup. Men learning game/upping their status/money and women beautifying themselves is the same thing.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:30 PM
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What you describe as sexual manipulation and coercion is mostly just social intelligence which most men lack completely. A smooth guy with game is what the vast majority of women want. They DONT want said guy to backstab them after they get sex, but they DO want the things the Redpill offers men. Women only need to worry about sexual selection because men approach them anyway. You're faulting men for a burden that they're going to have to bear either way.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:28 PM
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Lots of men that hate women have no problem hooking up or finding relationships. The hate isn't the problem. Lots of guys hate women for years, but eventually find the person for them and realize that NAWALT. Getting to the point that women will sleep with you is just the starting line for most men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:26 PM
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Using bitterness as fuel is okay as long as you're taking the steps towards your goal. Anh successful person would agree there. A huge percentage of successful people build their success on spite. "I never wanna be poor again". "I never wanna be a loser again". People that work out because they were scrawny as kids. Spite, bitterness and hatred are GREAT as long as they motivate.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:24 PM
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Bitterness is partially a byproduct of reality though. What the ideologies prescribe matters most, not what they describe.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:18 PM
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I disagree that either is hateful. Hate is a byproduct of the rhetoric, but if enough or the rhetoric is true then its still useful. Its like people who hate capitalism when they learn that the rich control the media. Your hate is mostly valid even if it isn't helpful. The awareness is whats helpful.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:17 PM
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The thing about hate is that reality will burn it out. The idea of TRP is that once you've leveled up enough to attract women, you'll start to resent them less. The people actively sitting on message boards hating probably aren't actually leveling up.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:14 PM
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I understand that it's noble and selfless, but it's also pathetic. Strength, value of one's word, and self respect are some of the main of the virtues by which men are judged, so paternity fraud tramples on the positive ideals that men are held to. Forfeiting your self respect to care for a child is admirable, but forgiving the woman is not. I wouldn't let the woman use the child as leverage to make me pretend she didn't betray me in the worst way. That's the humiliating part.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/21 05:12 PM
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I think it's only hypocritical if you aren't willing to offer equal value to the man. If both people are getting what the want out of the relationship then it's fine.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 11:59 AM
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Liberal Redpiller here. My TL;DR is that we should be optimistic about the quality of life we can provide for people, but some things are innate human nature that we can't change. Essentially, Jordan Peterson is right about Lobster Hierarachies, but we should still aim to create a productive, fair society, even if we have to do it artificially.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/21 11:54 AM
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Scientific method requires controlling variables though, you can control the factors that make individuals different. Things like height are measurable but things like game are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/21 07:36 PM
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Yup every woman I know who's both smart and attractive is in a relationship with a decent man, and some of them are even a bit neurotic or have suffered things like trauma and abuse. Most of them are stable, hardworkinf, trustworthy people though and it shows.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 01:27 PM
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In my experience, academically smarter women are way less prone to getting gamed or played. Sourced as a guy who like smart women but also enjoys running gsme. They're less likely to respond emotionally to game and more likely to respond to consistency.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:49 PM
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I agree with your premise in men but not in women. Women who are academically smart are almost always super socially well tuned. I can only think of a handful of exceptions and they aren't even drastic.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/21 12:32 PM
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The lack of light heartedness is a bigger turnoff than the ridiculous expectations.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/21 06:23 PM
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Agreed. As a toolkit for individuals its great the same way women have culture wide toolsets for judging men.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 05:50 PM
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One thing about TRP that seems unfair is the idea that high N count men won't cheat too. Lots of natural players are serial cheaters. I think sleeping around probably damages women more than it damages men in terms of becoming jaded but I don't think men are exempt from being worse partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 04:16 PM
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This is so obvious and simple don't know why people out here doing backflips pretending that SEEING A COOL GUY WITH PROOF THAT HE'S COOL isn't a turn on.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/11/21 12:40 AM
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Eh. Pretty much all women are turned on by dominant competent men but not the other way around. People can argue it's caused by society but it's like that in every culture and always has been. I think it's just not that complicated.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/21 02:57 PM
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"From a biblical standpoin-" stops reading
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 10:06 PM
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Being relationship material for guys isn't really related to having or not having feminine qualities. Being attractive, being emotionally, stable, and being fun to be around are enough to make any girl relationship material. Her interests only make her more or less compatible with certain guys but not less attractive imo.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 08:26 PM
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The biological directive to reproduce is literally the only meaning that life gives us other than to survive as long as possible. Its literally the meaning of life, and our intelligence will never be enough to discount that. Individuals can make up whatever meaning of life they want, but the only one that's actually concrete is to mate and pass on your genes.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 04:15 PM
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So you're conceding my point about value not mattering? Cool. Obviously men won't literally do anything for sex. But men will always orient their lives in a way that helps them get laid IF THEY CAN. Guys who don't make an effort to get laid don't because they've given up or their sex drives are lower than average. Men don't have to be driven solely by sex for my point to be valid, because a HUGE percentage of men would take sex over other kinds of validation. How many men do you know that compla…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 02:20 PM
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It's probably semantics because the Red Pill doesn't advocate men to believe anything like that, and Red Pillers don't believe that either. You probably got into a semantic argument where you were talking past each other.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/21 01:14 AM
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I explained this earlier. The Red Pill mostly talks about "sexual marketplace value". SMV is simply your value when it comes to getting sex. That's it. You're assuming it means something that it doesn't. Red pill men hate the idea of being beta bux even though beta men with money are valuable.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 11:59 PM
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Yeah that only matters from the woman's perspective though. "Pussy is pussy" and "doesn't matter had sex" are things men say for a reason. A woman's motivation for having sex with a man is completely irrelevant to men as long as men are able to reach it. I feel like you're proving my point.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 11:36 PM
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Being arousing to women is even better than being attractive. Most women arouse men naturally so they take it for granted. Turning women on enough to get them to have sex with you spontaneously is a skill, even if you're an attractive man, and its basically the highest honor a girl can give you because of how statistically difficult it is.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 10:15 PM
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Nobody looking for casual sex cares about being "valued" lol. Actions > words. Most guys would rather be an abuser who gets laid than a simp who doesn't. Sexual market place value is just a term that measures how desired you are.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 09:48 PM
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Getting what they want is all people care about. Men will do anything for sex the same way women will stay with shitty men that provide other needs/desires.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 09:33 PM
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Eh. I'd still argue that women have a far lower disgust response for the same sex than men do, making them more sexually flexible inherently.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 08:48 PM
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I think biologically most girls are at least somewhat attracted to women. But being bisexual is "deciding" that you're attracted to women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 07:36 PM
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I have no idea. I just know on dating apps almost every girl is bisexual. That's literally my only argument outside of studies that say this.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 01:03 PM
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Experimenting with sexuality. Studies show pretty much all women are potentially bisexual, at least when it comes from arousal. If you aren't married by 25 you'll probably discover you also like women.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 12:42 PM
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Every girl is bisexual after age 25.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/21 11:46 AM
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Lay off the armchair psych bro.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 10:18 PM
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Plot twist. I'm a guy with low T, so I'm not easily aroused. But the vast majority of guys would have sex with a beautiful woman assuming there were no consequences and are just projecting their disgust for the culture around the Kardashians here. Thats why its virtue signaling.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 08:03 PM
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Dead ass lmao men are doing exactly what they accuse women of doing. If you wouldn't smash prime Kim Kardashian you're either a fucking liar or low testosterone. Stop the cap guys.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/21 04:59 PM
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Exact same situation. A huge percentage of women over my life have approached me wanting a thug dude and become disinterested when I'm respectful.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/21 07:44 PM
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Yeah I'm not gonna lie. There's no benefit for a man to marry someone like that. There's no innate reason to trust you commitment wise outside of "just a hunch" that he knows you as well as he thinks.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/21 05:45 PM
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Have had low testosterone most of my life. Can confirm its shit and I'm jealous of guys that are horndogs. My lack of libido has ended relationships despite most people describing me as a chad.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/21 06:48 AM
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Good thread. Informative.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 11:53 PM
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Right. However, its not as black and white, and guys who don't present as assholes 24/7 still end up being assholes before women can realize it in time. They still end up with assholes or asshole-ish men much more commonly than non-assholish men, because there's something that women like about those types of men. His point is that men who don't present assholeish to women are likely going to be easily read as assholeish by men. It COULD be that these men have good game/social calibration and are…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/10/21 09:53 PM
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I think this is a "men are as loyal as their options situation". Any guy who can date both will date both. Any guy who can get girl on the right to chase will.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/10/21 12:44 PM
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I feel like you're just trying to mimick the rhetoric that Red Pillers use when they say AWALT or "women don't know what they respond to". The idea that men like bitches is insane, unless you're talking about in some minority communities where women are proud of being sassy or spicy. In general, men want peaceful and agreeable women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 04:56 PM
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Men choosing bitchy girls is cap. Men just choose whoever puts out. Its just that simple.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:32 AM
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They put out. Extroversion is correlated with promiscuity especially in women.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/10/21 09:31 AM
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Dude the vast majority of these dudes would look fine if their facial hair/hairstyle wasn't terrible. I'm not saying they'd be chad, but most of them have awkward, scruffy looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/10/21 05:58 PM
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Your argument sucks.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/09/21 10:32 PM
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Hmmm. Let me try explaining it another way. Men are literally programmed to get frustrated when they are aroused but are unable to satisfy that desire. This sucks, and I know it's probably even more frustrating for women, but it's biology. So basically, it's better for a man to never be around women at all, then it is to be around women all the time but not be able to have the itch scratched (IF you have a really high sex drive etc). This is one of the reasons celibate monks have been a thing fo…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 02:41 PM
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This is literally some of the most insane nonsense I've ever heard. People have been getting vaccinated for ages. Birth defects are prevalent but its because of the insanely unhealthy lifestyle we live. Microplastics in everything. Preservatives and pesticides in all the food. Hormones in the dairy. Vaccines are the least of your worries.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/09/21 01:33 PM
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Genghis Khan enters the chat and debunks entire thread.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 10:31 PM
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But it's not shallow. People literally interact with others because they have needs. Some of those needs are physical or material, and some of those needs are emotional. Men simply don't have as many emotional needs as women. It's easy for women to call men shallow because their needs "Seem more virtuous". But that's the truth. Obviously people want companionship, especially later in life, but men primarily chase women because they want sex. Women are people, but a person who can't do anything f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 04:16 PM
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A desire for sex and taking the proper steps to get sex are not the same thing. The same way women want to be married but aren't taking proper steps to be marriage material in the eyes of most men. Are you female? Do you spend any amount of time around men? Men want sex like all the time. It has nothing to do with the "idea of sex". Men want ACTUAL sex. Men don't get off as much on ideas as women do, the physical act is what's appealing. I'm really surprised you'd say this because most women wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/09/21 01:39 PM
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Ignore "The Red Pill" as a community, just think of the Red Pill as "concepts a lot of men believe about women". A lot of things in the redpill are things that guys figure out naturally, but don't have confirmation on or words for. In that sense, it's incredibly popular, with even elements of religion being redpill etc. Why do you insist on insulting people and trying to make men seem bad? I'm not in here to hurt your feelings. I'm not trying to one up anyone. I'm genuinely giving honest answers…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 09:22 PM
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It's not quite that cut and dry, but yeah, pretty much. One of the reasons the red pill is so popular is because men don't virtue signal or pretend we're better than our instincts, whereas women generally always pretend their intentions/goals are noble. There's no point in shaming men about it. It's literally how all of us are. Even the ones that love women, care for our girlfriends, and are good people. Sex is still an enormous force in our lives and what primarily motivates us to interact with…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 08:42 PM
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Lilith, no matter how you slice it, it's just cause and effect. Men want sex badly enough that their personalities and desires will be molded around whatever gets them more of it. If being nice got people sex, everyone would wanna be nice. If being poor got people sex, everyone would wanna be poor. If being a horrible human being is what gets you laid, guys are gonna be terrible. Guys want sex as a higher priority than women, so women using it as a reward basically determines the way men will ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/21 06:08 PM
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nope, ugly women can still workout to have nice bodies, be feminine, and get attention from men.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/21 04:16 PM
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I agree and it's a huge fallacy of a lot of redpill ideology. I consider myself redpilled, but a lot of the negative stigma about "modern women" only applies to women who are single for a reason.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 03:59 AM
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Well my honest advice would be to find a good one in College. Once you're 25+ the fucking bullshit starts. I got really sick right after I graduated, but if I hadn't, I definitely would've aimed to have gotten married quickly.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 03:58 AM
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I agree that a lot of American women aren't wifey material, but I think there are lots of good ones. The problem is that the good ones are taken. Being single by itself is a red flag. But anyway, my general point about women being valuable in the long term as mothers/partners still stands even if there aren't many good ones.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/09/21 03:03 AM
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If men want a family then women have value as a long term partner and a mother. If a guy doesn't want kids though I'm not gonna lie, no logical reason to invest in him.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 09:50 PM
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Nah women are aroused by humor. A huge part of "game" is wit. Charm is wit. Wit is a sign of intelligence. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:37 PM
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It's definitely a location or age thing because statistically the percentage of women that are overweight in the US is insane. Once you graduate college you start to see it more. If you're younger than 23/24 it's possible you aren't noticing it yet. Also if you live in an active coastal city with more walking/public transport, people are generally less overweight as well.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/09/21 05:22 PM
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I'm not a girl lol. The things women are attracted to are more common in older men. If you aren't attracted to older men at all, you're a huge outlier, because the amount of girls who simp over George Clooney age men is insane.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 05:58 PM
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Except this is a deal that lots of women are perfectly happy with. Most women like older men so it still works, even if you don't.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 05:43 PM
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It's both. Physical affection is a spectrum. I think guys are just different and need physical affection as a form/part of feeling loved. I hate when sex is reduced to "men being shallow", because to us it doesn't feel shallow.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 03:24 PM
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Male friendships don't fulfill the need for physical affection. I have lots of friends and am popular but if I don't have a girlfriend ill feel lonely on weekends.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 02:31 PM
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I think you're overthinking my comment too much. The rules are really general. Of course id help anyone who looks like they need help, but in general I'm going to be nicer to women and more helpful to women if they seem like they could use it. As I said, its not an EXTREME gendered difference but it is a difference.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/09/21 02:24 PM
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Don't get me wrong. When people curse in appropriate circumstances or as part of humor of course its okay. Its moreso when women are "vulgar" its a turn off. I think "Beavis and Butthead" humor. I agree men should also be polite and I hold myself to a pretty high standard. I think feminine and masculine manners are a little different. Men should be chivalrous, not in an overt sense, but just in a general sense. If I'm 6'2 and my a girl is 5'2, I'm gonna carry her stuff. Not because she can't but…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 06:49 PM
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This is a complete fantasy question lol there's no incentive for women to act like that unless men just stop dating them altogether.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 11:37 AM
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Just things that make women more attractive to me. Have good manners. Dress more feminine. Not curse. I don't care if girls get the bag or are boss babes, I just don't like manliness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 11:37 AM
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Everything stays the same except women act feminine in dating and care about their weight.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/21 04:01 AM
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Most women are attracted to older men, stop the cap. I think some content creators push these insane age gaps of like 10-15 years, but pretty much all women would date a guy 5 years older than them if he was a good pick.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/09/21 12:21 PM
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upvote this shit to the top, this is /threadddd
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/21 05:50 PM
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Two things. There are verifiable natural fears that all humans have, like spiders, the dark, and loud noises. There are verifiable effects sex hormones have on people. People are different because they have different levels of sex hormones, and differing biology, but the actual effects of these things are static. People with higher testosterone will have both stronger physical characteristics and it will manifest in their personality, usually in being more aggressive or dominant. You can't look …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 10:07 PM
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To play devils advocate, you're actually wrong here. -IE, things like "AWALT" would have no place in social science. Neither would "treat women like teenagers". Shit like "negging" and "withdrawing affection" would be, in a social science lens, considered maladaptive/abusive social behaviors, as it's about forcing another person to give you what you want by punishing behavior you don't like. Have you ever read a single book on child rearing?? There is definitely prominent school of thought and c…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 08:30 PM
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Everyone has an ideal? Both men and women. Women describe their perfect man all the time. Why is this gross?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 01:22 PM
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Attractive Honest Emotionally stable Kind, positive vibes Similar interests in at least a few spheres
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/21 12:36 AM
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Redpilled and I'd consider myself a Social Democrat. I think woke culture is annoying but almost all of my policy positions are left unless its social authoritarianism.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/21 07:38 AM
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n anyone offer insight into OP's claims? I don't understand why something like that would be so horribly detrimental to the male partner. People's sex drives and the thing they enjoy change, don't they? A lot of our value and self worth as men comes from our ability to sleep with women. How quickly and enthusiastically a women is willing to sleep with you is a direct reflection of how hot she thinks you are. We will always compare our sexual experiences with a girl to those of her past partners.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/21 04:40 PM
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Nah none of this makes sense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/08/21 12:07 PM
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The percentage of women who are on medication for mental health issues these days is insane, so even taking your claim at face value, it means TRP is effective.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/21 11:29 PM
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I feel like you're projecting as far as people's need for sexual release. If you have low libido it can be hard to understand people who feel like they need sex all the time (I personally have low libido). But I don't think it's fair to pretend you're some evolved being just because you aren't horny all the time.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 08:07 PM
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I think you're wrong. I'm not saying there aren't "fat women" that are smashable because there are, but they usually still have curvy body types. There's a concept called "Bounce for the ounce", where the acceptable amount of fat correlates to breast and butt size. So basically, if she's overweight but is still curvy and has nice assets, it's acceptable, whereas Lizzo shaped women are just unattractive in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 05:50 PM
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Lizzo is not attractive. Curves means girls that look like Britanny Renner, Gemstar, or Lady Lebraa. 90% of guys would agree with this.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/21 01:42 PM
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> Kim Kardashian really blew my mind, learning some men like fat asses. My entire worldview crumbled. Men are attracted to curves. Kim Kardashian isn't even a little bit fat. Men like hourglass shaped women. Look up popular video vixens and hip hop models for reference. > Kendrick Lamar saying he wanted ass with stretch marks: 🤯 See above. > But now I'm wondering if I wasn't even MORE mistaken. Why else are men SO OBSESSED with fat women? They talk about fat women SO MUCH. They don't do this wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/08/21 09:26 PM
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I watch him because I think his voice is comforting but I agree he kind of just rehashes the same points. He seems like he's decently detached so he doesn't come off super spiteful, but at the end of the day, his videos are cope-fuel. I would avoid watching him especially if you're bitter/red pill raged but I feel like his takes are occasionally entertaining.
/r/ExRedPill21/08/21 03:52 PM
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Intelligence has a genetic component. Someone can have good genes to pass on even if they don't have chad bone structure. /thread
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:12 PM
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Genetic basis is irrelevant. Social and financial capital get passed on and matter just as much as genetic capital in our society. Anyone who can learn game and become charming/witty, at a bare minimum is intelligent. A dumb guy can't learn game and somehow finesse a woman into liking him if he didn't have that potential. Game is just a skillset and how good you are at it depends on you. Lots of guys who aren't super tall or great looking are smart, charming, and competent. Game is just highligh…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:43 PM
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Dude this is an insane conclusion. The Redpill is an ideology, how you use it determines whether or not your tactics are mate trickery. An easy example of mate trickery is renting a Lamborghini and trying to use it to pick up women. Obviously you're trying to project a level of wealth that you don't have. But the Redpill has nothing to do with that inherently. I'd argue that most PUAs aren't even relying on mate trickery. Most PUAs focus on building the actual skills of being charming/confident.…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 12:30 PM
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Perfectly happy to indulge this comment. We can talk here or you can DM me. How do you figure any of that?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/21 01:55 AM
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Jump to content r/PurplePillDebate Search within r/PurplePillDebater/PurplePillDebateTrending today 1 That's not true at all. Discovering PUA stuff is how I got my first girlfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 08:37 PM
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I think you're looking at the extreme without thinking about the inverse. People that don't think of relationships transactionally at all get taken advantage of. A huge percentage of men have no self respect and don't have any healthy boundaries because they're taught no to. While I think a lot of RP content creators go so far, the philosophy is just about holding people accountable and respecting your time, money, and attention.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:14 PM
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Google the definition of Attractive. It means appealing to the senses in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:41 AM
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Why do you believe that?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:30 AM
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WHOOPS. Thanks, will note that one lol
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 02:22 AM
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No I really like the Red Pill. I think consuming Red Pill content creators and bathing in the Manosphere is unhealthy for men though.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:27 AM
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That's just physical appearance you cited. The Red Pill teaches men how to be more attractive in every way, and I think for the most part, it's all good advice that works.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:26 AM
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Completely disagree. Ubiquitous in media for young men?? Where?
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 01:05 AM
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This is what people should be doing. Understanding the tenants and actively applying them to your life is what matters and not just endlessly consuming the content.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:54 AM
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I probably should have elaborated on my point more. I think that just endlessly consuming Red Pill content as part of the Red Pill Rage phase is unproductive. It's better to just study the components in a vacuum and learn to apply them to your life (build confidence/frame/wealth/gym). I think that a lot of people are just cyclically watching in a way that fuels hate but isn't moving them forward.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/08/21 12:53 AM
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I can't say to what extent self esteem plays a roll, but it seems really common for women to be attracted to power and charisma. Those qualities are all a part of the same skillset, so it makes sense that a huge percentage of women will tolerate that kind of personality. If you don't that's great and I'm happy for you, but the reality is if you want to give men good advice, you have to cater to averages and generalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 06:16 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to tell you that you should be attracted to those things. But I'm telling you that for a huge percentage of women, those things are not a deal breaker, and will make men more attractive, as long as other conditions are met. For most men, those are the worst possible qualities that will disqualify even a super attractive woman. But for a lot of women they are tolerable as long as he brings everything else to the table.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 01:31 PM
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Assuming he's a high value man who cares about his legacy, having children with a man is more relationship security for 18 years per kid than a man can ever get. This is assuming she went in through the front door and got married first etc. I'm not saying men don't leave women for younger women, but given women initiate most divorces/separations, only former chads with financial resources are gonna start shopping around at 45 if she's let herself go.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 12:03 PM
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I think being domineering, ball busting, competitive and argumentative are what guys hate. I'd say being "agreeable" is a good metric, but I don't mind people who are vocal as long as they're polite.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/08/21 11:59 AM
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In nature where there is no technology and no infrastructure, intelligence and pure physical strength/size are the things that win. But no amount of intelligence can overcome physical strength in direct physical confrontation without other variables. In nature might is absolutely right until you start introducing other variables.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/08/21 04:41 PM
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I feel like your basing your assessments too much on arguments in this sub and not what normal guys in the real world actually want. There's a huge difference between what people say and what people actually do. Saying "I'd never fuck a fatty is posturing to look cool n front of other men". Men only have standards if they have options.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 05:41 PM
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Guys are actively trying to ramp up their notch counts. Fucking anything that moves is optimal. It provides variety, boosts the ego, and increases abundance. Everything you said here is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/21 03:27 PM
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Typed in Anniversary on Instagram. Everyone is gorgeous lmao.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/21 11:42 PM
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I think the real answer has to do with "Do our shared interests outweight how attracted to her I am?"
/r/PurplePillDebate22/07/21 01:28 PM
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Guy with Low T here. Can confirm.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/21 04:33 PM
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Imo the non subjective things are mostly caused or influenced by testosterone. The things you listed are all culturally influenced.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/07/21 02:26 AM
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Masculinity itself is purely just qualities that result from high testosterone. So someone can be masculine without having any discipline or control of it. Imo women are attracted to masculinity period, regardless of whether the person in control of it has other good qualities. But yes, you're 100% right that masculinity without other positive qualities is not a good thing. Imo "paternal" qualities are a good example of the positive manifestation of masculinity. Blue collar work is a positive ma…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/07/21 09:27 PM
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Side note but I think people gaining wait is the biggest cause of the bait and switch from both sides.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/07/21 08:48 PM
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Yup. Life is very literally about dating and attraction. Men are literally doing you a favor by propagating that kind of toxic masculinity. Men teaching their sons that it isn't always acceptable to express their emotions sucks, but in the long run, it pays off in some ways. It literally proves itself correct. The pool of weak men right now are why the dating statistics are the way they are. If men are less toxic, women find them less attractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 11:14 PM
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It turns off women way more than it turns off other men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 08:31 PM
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No, you're actually wrong. Men ARE NO given the privilege of being able to burden people with their emotion. Men have to be rocks. Women can share their emotional burdens with both their friends and partners. I've met women I can trust with my emotions but they're SUPER rare and even then, they'll eventually lose attraction if you're too emotional.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/07/21 08:02 PM
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This is good advice OP. Not seeming pushy on the first date matters but these are good safe, normal "getting to know you" questions that will actually tell you a lot about someones character and personality.
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