The Floor matters more than the ceiling when it comes to your attractiveness to women

PapaPinyun · 2023-02-03T01:05:06+00:00

seems like youre getting a lot of kneejerk moron hate here dude lol

I agree with what youre saying and have experienced an angle of this myself and ruminate on it often. I am married but find myself about town unescorted often enough that I interact with women in situations where one might expect some game.

So often there is obvious initial attraction and IOI's and then when I start sounding married, you can see the fire go out, like a switch flips. Sometimes I delay mention of it but just think privately like, "sorry baby," and the response is the same. I figure, in reflecting, the same conclusion as you, that the woman is making a calculation of likely sexual success and senses ambivalence or restraint or your own internal friction, and it is off putting.

When I was single, I had the opposite observations and experience. I thought, I thought quite reasonably, that of course women want to get fucked, and what a coincidence. Just knowing you are crawling out of your skin with what they want was basically good enough

daddysgotanew · 2023-02-02T21:15:36+00:00

Why would women be approaching you if they could sense that? And if game mattered so much, you wouldn’t have to be a Chad to get those types of responses.

For instance, I’m 6’1” and a 7 in the face so definitely no Chad. I’ve also never had a random woman approach me in public. If that happened I’d immediately think I was being set up for a robbery or something; it’s that out of place for me.

why-b-less · 2023-02-02T21:13:10+00:00

"girls get turned off when you don't have a genuine sexual or romantic interest in them"

Is this a surprise to anyone?

Barneysparky · 2023-02-02T21:05:50+00:00

Why would you be chasing casual sex if you didn't have a libido?

gymbro718nyc2 · 2023-02-02T21:40:28+00:00

Just start doing TRT.

JewliusCaeser · 2023-02-02T22:00:05+00:00

Just have kunfiduns

trippingfingers · 2023-02-02T21:01:53+00:00

But I have low testosterone, and almost no libido.

Women can sense this.

No they can't.

Implentofhell · 2023-02-03T00:39:56+00:00

"People who say game doesn't exist are out of their minds. Game is pretty much just filtering your sexual desire towards a woman through your personality.

I can get women to come over to my apartment consistently but if my dick isn't hard and I don't seem excited to fuck them, they will not be turned on."

You can't be serious. Is your whole argument on game is that you cant get aroused around a girl and arouse one, despite you being girls to your apartment for seemingly no reason other than your looks?

ConsultJimMoriarty · 2023-02-03T02:20:54+00:00

No one can ‘sense’ a low libido, get outta town.

submittoyrwrath · 2023-02-03T02:23:14+00:00

Some of the comments are tending to really oversimplify. Women’s tastes can’t necessarily be reduced to simple categories, the spectrum is very broad and very complex. If one’s social frame of reference is such that broad generalizations seem reliable, busting out might be in order

quaker5 · 2023-02-02T22:33:32+00:00

so you’re a natural Chad with erectile dysfunction. got it.

EventSea8621 · 2023-02-02T22:00:32+00:00

im 6'2 aswell, in decent shape and invisible to woman. Because i work in a supermarket i get to observe many things, like fat slobs who stink with thin attractive woman.

mfw im so undesirable im mogged by this sort of men and beaten in the genetic race, almost makes me want to rope.

bostonboomer39 · 2023-02-02T23:27:50+00:00

I totally agree and have had personal experience with this too. Most women ive been with have made the first move with me but earlier in life i was hopeless and a simp type which made most of them move on pretty quickly. One really hot one even cheated with a short ugly friend of mine. Im 6.1, athletic build, 9 out of 10 face and charismatic.

Green-Quantity1032 · 2023-02-03T00:03:49+00:00

People who say game doesn't exist are out of their minds. Game is pretty much just filtering your sexual desire towards a woman through your personality.

I think I love you.

OTOH - you say women come to your apartment consistently, so this is based on looks alone?

Also, get TRT.

SenseiChoppa888 · 2023-02-03T00:55:04+00:00

People can subconsciously sense other peoples testosterone levels. Especially between women and men

Try eating raw onions, broccoli, garlic, heavy seasoning on your food. if you fap too much try fapping only once a week,

dont use artificial substances like caffeine to help with your sleep schedule,

use testosterone boosting supplements and if all that doesnt work then go see a doctor so that youll get prescribed TRT

kalashhhhhhhh · 2023-02-03T09:29:37+00:00

Women don't want to fuck you because your dick is not hard. That usually means that the guy either finds the girl unattractive or really doesn't want to have sex.

The first reasoning makes her doubt herself and hits right in the self esteem. It's not weird that she stops being horny.

The second one also makes her insecure, as women are told from a very young age that all guys want to do is fuck.

Also, how do you expect sex to happen if a guy isn't hard? She knows the logistics of sex. Do you mske them cum atleast using your fingers/tongue? What do you expect her to do? And finally, it's pretty normal to lose interest in sex if your partner is completely unenthusiastic and doesn't want to do it.

In conclusion, I guarantee she's not thinking "what a low-libido, unmasculine guy!", she's thinking "wtf I'm so ugly", which isn't a thought that really makes one want to bone.

ThorLives · 2023-02-03T18:14:09+00:00

Game is pretty much just filtering your sexual desire towards a woman through your personality.

No. It's more complex than that. Sometimes game takes the form of not acting interested so you appear high-value and she (or he) chases. Remember that thing called "negging" that Mystery would do? That also wasn't about showing sexual desire. I remember another pickup artist said that he'd show women a picture of himself with his ex-girlfriend (who was hot), and it would make women more interested in him because "if he can get a woman this hot, then he must be high value. Maybe I should be interested too".

Sometimes game is about presenting yourself as "high value". People value what other people value, so appearing popular and desired by the opposite sex makes women more interested. Sometimes it's about acting disinterested and busy so that they see you as high value and popular.

thisreallyisnotok · 2023-02-03T19:14:19+00:00

Many women are actually highly sexual BUT they do not want to show it because of internalized misogyny. As a result you get a lot of seemingly chill women who are actually frustrated when men don’t make it happen for them so to speak. They want sexual gratification but they want men to do the leg work because they don’t want to stick themselves out there due to internalized misogyny, insecurities or fear of rejection. A lot of these women are the same women who may slowly start initiating sex in a relationship but will throw a tantrum if you refuse.

That said, I’m very SENSUAL. And women do latch onto that. I’m not big at initiating but they also notice that I don’t inhibit myself. Usually what happens is that I ask for a first kiss then they take it from there typically. Sex happens on the first or second date.

empresa_josefina · 2023-02-04T14:59:22+00:00

What is this post?

You’re saying women come to your apartment because of your looks, but you have ED and low libido so you don’t have sex.

Well, lots of guys can’t get women over to their apartments Willy-nilly, and those guys have plenty of lust and can get a boner. So how can you say masculine vibe is the #1 way to get laid? You don’t have masculine vibe and you’re getting way way closer (woman is literally at your apartment looking at your flaccid dick) than a not 6’2”, not Chad, not “best voice 2023” guy.

The fact that so many replies are circlejerking this is absurd, PPD bluepill has reached a new low

Electrical_Funky · 2023-02-03T00:48:21+00:00

Look man you made a whole thread just to tell everyone you either have ED, you might be gay or you have been watching too much porn, as such you're into some kink

MisogenesUSA · 2023-02-02T21:09:39+00:00

Men can be the known creep that hits on everything with a vajayjay for pump and dumps and women who can’t stand him will go to him to be used when they want a ONS. Life a shit of a show like Bad Santa with nothing but sex to offer.

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-Bazuso- · 2023-02-02T21:57:12+00:00

Inject T ASAP

KiwiOnThePizza · 2023-02-02T22:02:30+00:00

All this to say you get lucky easily... good for you, mate.

SiegfriedSigurd · 2023-02-02T22:15:41+00:00

Why do you have such low T, if you don't mind me asking?

ta06012022 · 2023-02-02T23:31:11+00:00

The Floor matters more than the ceiling

Isn't this true with most things in life? Like if you get a 800 on the math section of the SAT and a 200 on the verbal section, you're not likely to get into a good school. You would have been much better off with more moderate scores on both sections. A low floor in one category can more than offset an equally high ceiling in another category.

Same thing goes for a lot of jobs. Say you have a brilliant candidate with a high GPA from an Ivy League, but he's completely unable to hold a conversation. Again, the floor matters more.

xzpw · 2023-02-02T23:44:32+00:00

This is a backpill talking point.

That said - some of what you said isn’t that important compared to other things. Things like height, face, frame, etc. are weighted far more heavily than your libido. Also, you’re forgetting women care a lot about types and niches. That Indian guy might seem uglier than you but to those women - he’s hotter cause they’re into educated and well spoken desi dudes for whatever reason.

You can’t ignore that shit. They might not be as attractive from a Chadmaxxing perspective but they might be as attractive from a nichemaxxing one.

OxijenThief · 2023-02-03T04:35:37+00:00

Is it okay if I ask if you’ve had your hormone levels tested and what might be causing your low T?

obviousredflag · 2023-02-03T10:10:09+00:00

"Game is pretty much just filtering your sexual desire towards a woman through your personality." - Becret Albatross, 2023

"The floor [of your major categories regarding sexual attractiveness to women] matters more than the ceiling" - Becret Albatross, 2023

2023-02-03T10:47:47+00:00

But I have low testosterone, and almost no libido.

You kinda get thirsty while eating. But if you're a chill dude with some self respect, I can totally get why most girls with their attitutes isn't making you feel playful and cheeky.

Chad is the playful dude with natural game. But he is also fit - which is part of the baseline, the floor, the bare minimum to get a girl into the swoon.

Most fuckboys are fine. Normal chilld dudes that can get laid but are smart enough to not give away their life, just to amplify a woman's life. Fuck, the biggest one I know is a 6'5 gorrila of a man, that works in networking - the nerdiest part of ID.

It's just women shaming a man that doesn't get under heel, when they want him to, or even when they try to bribe him with gentleness and pussy.

Ohms2North · 2023-02-04T01:19:20+00:00

And the curtains should match the drapes

Mr_Chad_Thunderpenis · 2023-02-04T04:49:53+00:00

When it comes to looks, it's always a matter of floor instead of a matter of ceiling. The reason for this is that physical attractiveness has diminishing returns the higher you go. The difference between a 7 and a 9 is way smaller than the difference between a 5 and a 7. After some point, you get much better returns if you invest points in other categories. There is a soft cap and a hard cap in short. The soft cap is usually around 7-8 and the hard cap is obviously 10. The problem is that for most men the soft cap is not achievable.

Sea_Regular_3520 · 2023-02-04T13:21:03+00:00

If you’re physically attractive and not getting laid even with extended social interaction, it’s because you’re nice to them and therefore they don’t respect you.

Women only have sex with men they respect. Women do not respect men that respect women.

Additional_Speech164 · 2023-02-07T02:18:10+00:00

I agree that you aren’t going to get laid off looks alone. Every one is different though personality might matter to me but not so to my other girlfriends. I’m either attracted to you or not. It’s usually for me not the objectively most handsome man in the room.

Ohyarlysmiles · 2023-02-03T00:23:25+00:00

Game in the sense of personality attracting women in the short term who weren't otherwise attracted to you, doesn't exist.

Looking good is the number 1 way to get laid.

Idkwtf a masculine vibe is supposed to be and extremely subjective, hence NOT ACTIONABLE.

Look good = actionable.

Men care about results, not woowoo, which is essentially what you're peddling.

taytay10133 · 2023-02-03T02:35:22+00:00

Lol I wish I (24f) could find a guy with a low sex drive. That would be a dream.

Decent-Zombie-5513 · 2023-02-03T17:16:19+00:00

arnt almost all men low T now? I dont know why it isnt more of a public health issue!? Perhaps our govs want us low T.

Title	The Floor matters more than the ceiling when it comes to your attractiveness to women
Author	BecretAlbatross
Upvotes	72
Comments	178
Date	February 2, 2023 8:59 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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