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You people act like that's a victory. What a hollow victory.
/r/MensRights11/07/19 07:22 PM
1

yeah... these people don't understand that Barbie, and He-Man aren't supposed to be realistic representations. They're idealized versions showcasing feminine and masculine virtues. They're not supposed to be realistic, and I think that it's important to point out that as feminists attack and tear down the feminine ideals, women's happiness has only declined and their mental health has gotten worse.
/r/MensRights28/06/19 09:35 PM
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yeah.. I think there are times when you just need to interject and cut her off. "I'm sorry, but can I finish my story? This is important to me..." Why did you let her talk for an hour and a half if you had this thing you wanted to share? Also, did that summer camp experience relate?
/r/MensRights15/06/19 12:59 PM
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Satire...
/r/MensRights23/05/19 02:29 PM
1

God damn it, why is this intersectional poison everywhere?
/r/MensRights17/05/19 08:55 AM
37

Well... Amy Schumer has always had a fat persona, so that picture actually is a relatively flattering one. Leonardo DiCaprio used to sport a six-pack.
/r/MensRights30/04/19 03:14 PM
19

Given how contentious things are I can actually understand there might be a need to remove purely partisan and political reviews. I don't like their language though. The Fuck do you mean, toxic? Eat shit, RT, you're making things worse.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 04:24 PM
2

Having had 2 girlfriends go absolutely batshit on them... it's not so subtle.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 09:49 AM
1

Well, that's awfully convenient for you to say. I'm sure you fulfilling those criteria wasn't something that was on your mind when you set them.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 04:17 AM
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The man is speaking the truth, a truth that everyone recognizes. You'd do well to incorporate that truth into your arguments.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 08:32 PM
4

"Spit in my Mouth" That's quite a statement...
/r/MensRights05/01/19 11:50 AM
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This is seriously the part that I hate the most about the current state of leftism. Words are just playthings for them to manipulate so that they can sideline whoever they want. They know r/mensrights isn't about hatered, it's just that MRAs are in their way. It's easier for them to eliminate their opposition, than it is to treat with them.
/r/MensRights26/12/18 03:09 PM
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No he fucking doesn't.
/r/MensRights06/12/18 11:45 PM
1

How about your own separate scouting organization... for girls only? You know, like girls scouts.
/r/MensRights11/10/18 07:52 PM
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Is that true? I thought 3 world countries put more emphasis on educating boys since they need to be breadwinners.
/r/MensRights08/09/18 03:28 PM
2

Even if it's not... you're didn't get your genitalia mutilated, did you?
/r/MensRights29/08/18 06:14 PM
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This is basically welfare for completely incompetent people. It's going to create a campus vanguard of bitter, powerhungry idiots trying to enforce morality... it will turn sour real quick.
/r/MensRights14/03/18 05:03 PM
3

Meditate. Estrogen Supplements. a vegan diet... lol...
/r/MensRights23/01/18 04:17 AM
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Interesting. I expected them to just go along with the new program and just forget that oceana used to be their enemy... but I guess not.
/r/MensRights20/01/18 05:32 PM
7

So there is an opening?
/r/MensRights25/12/17 09:57 AM
3

This sub has always been about the "red-pill thing". It looks to me like you associate it with some unsavory things that some of our ideological opponents associate it with. To me the red/blue-pill analogy is about the internal struggle when someone encounters information that clearly contradicts the mainstream narrative (of patriarchal oppression in this case). Do you retreat back into the safety of what is socially acceptable to believe (blue pill)? or do you accept what is in front of you and…
/r/MensRights24/12/17 10:19 PM
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The red-pill blue-pill analogy has nothing to do with misogyny or hating women. It's basically about accepting reality as it presents itself to you vs. denial of it and retreating into your old comfortable thought patterns that are in line with mainstream society. For many early MRAs that was a real moral dilemma that they struggled with, quite alike that red/blue - pill moment in the matrix. There is little we can do to stop the Pickup-artists from running wild with r/Theredpill. I wish they'd …
/r/MensRights24/12/17 10:08 PM
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I'd cut that person here a lot of slack. To some people "feminism" actually still means "women's rights" and don't look to it as some sort of comprehensive answer to solve ALL the worlds problem. So this person using a grant given to feminists to specifically focus on women isn't that damming. That's what feminists are supposed to do, after all, isn't it?
/r/MensRights15/12/17 09:20 PM
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Why should WE have to correct THEM because THEY misuse a word? To demonstrate your genuine good will towards both sexes. To prove with your actions that you aren't in favor of misandry, despite sharing a label with these people. This is an article written by the Cosmopolitan. I constantly see articles written in the same spirit coming from influential feminist publications. If you don't rebel against this... if you don't rescue your movement from these people you're gonna get pushed into the fri…
/r/MensRights04/11/17 04:18 PM
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You are not the worst of feminism. But articles like this definitely come from a feminist viewpoint. They use feminism as an excuse to spew their resentments. The reason you are getting shit for this is that feminism has done very little to reign in their misandrist side. They deny it exists
/r/MensRights04/11/17 10:20 AM
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Is there a better refutation of Feminism than the fact that Harvey Weinstein existed? Here we are, California, Hollywood even. Everyone is on board with it, the left rules supreme... and Sexual Predators run around with absolutely no check on them. In reality, feminist ideology won't protect anyone from sexual assault.
/r/MensRights02/11/17 05:14 PM
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it happens... I've once had a couple break up like this on my facebook feed. They where airing their dirty laundry and everything... embarrassing to read.
/r/MensRights03/10/17 10:27 AM
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I'm happy to see that.
/r/MensRights01/10/17 01:29 PM
5

And I have a right to hate you. Sorry you, but you're a cuck.
/r/MensRights13/09/17 07:39 PM
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Boudicca? Anyways, it's beside the point. War is an aspect of evolution that we could not have done without. It's not a male thing it's a nature thing. I can't exactly fully explain to you why it happens, but it's not something that could be done away with had we less men in charge. Things don't seem to become more peaceful whenever we do have women leading a nation. This line of feminist argumentation is lazy and dishonest to the core.
/r/MensRights13/09/17 04:10 AM
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Ok, I'm sorry, but BOTH COULD CONSENT. God damn it, you choose to get drunk therefore you are still responsible for your actions when you do! It HAS to be that way. If you cannot hold your liquor, fucking learn it quick!
/r/MensRights21/08/17 07:49 PM
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Yeah... EVERYTHING is condescending to women nowadays. This is the massive feminist victim complex at play here. It's ridiculous how much popular culture has bought into it, and it's ridiculous how blind people are towards it.
/r/MensRights12/07/17 07:06 PM
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Interesting. It does sound more egalitarian. I wonder if it's the language barrier. I wonder if you people are just in a different "bubble" because of it. Though I heard a lot of you swedes speak english quite will because of television... How does swedish feminism view domestic violence? Is the gender parity acknowledged... or lies the fault with patriarchy and is "wife battery" the only form of violence that exists? Same with "rape culture", does swedish feminism believe in that?
/r/MensRights26/06/17 06:37 AM
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oh no pressure dude, just spamming her links everywhere cause I'm personally a fan of hers ;P Enjoy your trip..
/r/MensRights25/06/17 08:12 PM
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oh, I guess you're not that new after all then
/r/MensRights25/06/17 07:54 PM
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You seem a little new to this online conversation. If you want to know more about why we object to feminism, I can only recommend the youtuber girlwriteswhat to you. Her argumentation is very concise and well put together. The videos "feminism and the Disposable male" is probably the best intro to our viewpoint. Don't worry, I don't expect you to watch any of it... just if you're curious, this is a good place to start.
/r/MensRights25/06/17 07:50 PM
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That's... really fucking useful for message boards actually. So often when I talk about another commentator I end up stuck not knowing whether to use him or her. It'd be nice to have a Schrödinger's pronoun like that in those situations. Anyways, here in the anglophone world feminism also styles itself being about equality... just that this never ever translates into reality. It always ends up pedestalizing women and stoking resentments against men. The inner workings of their philosophy doesn't…
/r/MensRights25/06/17 07:44 PM
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Well, sweden is kinda seen like a feminist powerbase by the rest of the world. Sweden looks like it's incredibly dominated by feminist ideology... Do you not see that yourself? What's sweden like?
/r/MensRights25/06/17 11:40 AM
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HA! Sweden...
/r/MensRights24/06/17 03:06 PM
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Oh, I dunno... people I hate, do. Lighten up people, at least it's being acknowledged.
/r/MensRights09/06/17 07:04 PM
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Good. I hope they become even more disingenuous, aggressive and crazy than they have been so far.
/r/MensRights31/05/17 04:09 PM
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The motivation, exactly.
/r/MensRights22/05/17 05:31 PM
1

Since picking apart your Ideas is the spirit of this post: When you talk about Equal pay for literally equal work Have you considered the competition within any given field? Or even the competition within the same company? My company per example rewards seniority. Most companies do. Women on average don't nearly stay as long in the workforce as men do. Do you think that competition should be rewarded?
/r/MensRights22/05/17 05:16 PM
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On workplace injuries/deaths It's commendable to try and reduce them... but I have to say, we are just going to have to accept a certain level of risks in these jobs. Things like construction work, working on an oil platform or as a lineman... these things will always include risks, and there is only so much you can do with safety regulations. The workplace injury rate often gets brought up to counter things like the wage gap. It's to say that "yeah, there is a reason for that!". Men take on muc…
/r/MensRights21/05/17 08:42 PM
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I'll defend that woman. She's not trying to defraud him or anything, just trying to give him a little scare so that he'll get off his ass and do what he's supposed to do. I don't think it is the right way of handling the situation, but she's not evil! Ps.: Assuming this isn't a scam or something...
/r/MensRights04/02/17 06:13 PM
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yeah... none of this had anything to do with my comment.
/r/MensRights23/01/17 11:39 PM
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I hugely disagree with you here. You have to keep in mind that Planned parenthood helps men with their family planning as well... just indirectly. It takes 2 to make a baby. When I was younger I was Insanely glad that my girlfriend could get cheap birth-control and we could split the costs. I benefited from this service they provided her. Sure, I'd be a lot happier if I wasn't (literally) shut out of that procedure ...because as an evil male I might coerce her into something... but it's good tha…
/r/MensRights23/01/17 04:32 PM
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How the fuck do women NOT have reproductive rights? I mean.. I realize that some red states go out of their way to make getting an abortion a pain in the ass, but even in the most conservative states do women have plenty of reproductive choices, even abortion available to them.
/r/MensRights23/01/17 04:25 PM
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"this is so ignorant" Now means: "this is a different perspective than mine (that I'm Ignorant about)"
/r/MensRights23/01/17 03:49 AM
1

This was a real poster in 2008. At least they were warning people... cus this is how the rules get applied. People must've seen the blatant double standard, which is why the poster was short-lived.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 10:40 AM
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Enh, it's still a real poster. People printed that and didn't see the problem. Or they did, but the cognitive dissonance this caused made the poster short lived.
/r/MensRights13/01/17 10:39 AM
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Jesus Christ, a master's in theoretical physics or mathematics? just to have as a back up? Like, I'm not judging you, it just sounds.... hard. I'd never ever willingly put myself through that unless there is some definite gain ahead.
/r/MensRights29/12/16 12:16 PM
1

I dunno man. PhD's are expensive, aren't they? I guess it's her money, but I always get a little bit bitter when I see this much wastage.
/r/MensRights29/12/16 11:46 AM
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facepalm
/r/MensRights05/12/16 04:47 AM
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I love how Cenk is complaining about being called sexist. Mate, you were the first to say Trumps rise was about racism and sexism... Go fuck yourself you fucking.... sexist I guess.
/r/MensRights15/11/16 04:59 AM
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Mate... I'm not with the Hillary camp. I'm just a little bit worried about the future. And about trumps competence.
/r/MensRights14/11/16 04:52 PM
2

Well, I'm guessing that he posted this as a link within the comment-section of the comic. That's what it looks like at least.
/r/MensRights14/11/16 04:50 PM
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Obama was a much more balanced person to begin with. I don't have any faith in trump on that matter.
/r/MensRights14/11/16 04:45 AM
1

It's a joke, a harmless one. And they can tell that you're being butthurt about it, that's why there are downvotes
/r/MensRights14/11/16 04:20 AM
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"melted the polar ice caps" Sure, because women don't consume electricity, I guess...
/r/MensRights08/11/16 10:10 PM
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Only about 2% of all rape and related sex charges are determined to be false, the same percentage as for other felonies (FBI). What a load of bullshit, seriously. That percentage is so low because no one ever goes out of their way to determine if an accusation was maliciously false. What they try and do is try and proof the accusation in court, and if they can't they drop the case. It's almost impossible to prove a negative.
/r/MensRights08/11/16 10:08 PM
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I'm not a US citizen, but I at least supported Hillary as well. As did many of the big names within the MRM. We are thrown in with redpillers and Trump supporters because they don't understand that we are different factions... and operating in completely different dimensions. We are not "them", the ingroup. We are not followers of the liberal orthodoxy and therefore we are the outgroup, and it's just not worth actually exploring what we deplorables in the outgroup actually think. So how could th…
/r/MensRights08/11/16 10:02 PM
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God damn it, I'm not happy about that either.
/r/MensRights08/11/16 09:54 PM
1

And if you disliked ghostbusters it means you are sexist against women? This movie had an agenda... people are going to disagree. That doesn't make anyone sexist, or any other word for 'evil'.
/r/MensRights04/11/16 11:59 PM
1

Oh my god... I hope feminists do actually rally around this cry bully. It's not gonna happen, the fact that she's deluded is too obvious, but it would be great.
/r/MensRights03/11/16 03:02 PM
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This guy would fit right in with a lot of middle eastern law makers Haha, yes because middle easterners obviously don't care whether or not their women get sexually assaulted, right? There are a lot of faulty ideas about easterners floating around here in the west, but you forget that they're human beings who care. For fucks sake, stop constantly demonizing "the other". The argument has logic holes all over it. Sorry you people think you are so intellectual that you can't figure out why other pe…
/r/MensRights29/10/16 08:50 AM
2

it's true, he said: because (a) the criminal system is not equipped to determine the facts of these cases, But he also said: most of which would also fall under other crime statutes anyway if legitimate I dunno, I think you have this image about him in your head... the other, the enemy, the evil MRA or whatever... and because of that you assume that he's actually fine with rape, that he doesn't mind it when someone forces himself/herself sexually on someone else. Like.. do you actually believe t…
/r/MensRights28/10/16 11:59 PM
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In my view, rape ought not be a crime, because (a) the criminal system is not equipped to determine the facts of these cases, There are a lot of things that are difficult to prove, jet are crimes anyways. Per example, if I threaten someone, If I extort someone, that's nigh impossible to prove as well... yet it's illegal, and it should be illegal. Sure, there is a bit of a mushy grey area about what is and isn't rape, but that's why we give judges discretion.
/r/MensRights28/10/16 03:27 PM
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You know that countries like Canada doesn't prosecute the crime "rape", right? It's covered under the "Sexual assault" statue... with there being varying degrees of sexual assault to allow for discretion. It's a bit more of a reasonable position than you originally assumed, isn't it?
/r/MensRights28/10/16 03:19 PM
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You know that countries like Canada doesn't prosecute the crime "rape", right? It's covered under the "Sexual assault" statue... with there being varying degrees of sexual assault to allow for discretion. Soo... revisiting your comment, and all the insults you threw because of what you thought u/rg57 said, but didn't... Do you feel a bit silly now? Don't you think that maybe an apology is in order?
/r/MensRights28/10/16 03:17 PM
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In my view, rape ought not be a crime... You mean crimes like "rape" should be covered under the "sexual assault" statue, the way it is handled in Canada, right?
/r/MensRights28/10/16 03:11 PM
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I think you underestimate mens ability to be picky. Sure, a quick fuck is a lot easier for women to come by than for men, but the moment a woman wants stability and sustenance SHE wants something from HIM, which gives men a certain amount of leverage as well. Especially if you consider time. The older a man gets, the more powerful he usually gets - the more attractive a choice he is. He has all the time in the world to find a new mate if he decides to ditch the old one. With women... no matter h…
/r/MensRights27/10/16 04:05 AM
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I honestly thing you are just misinterpreting it's meaning. I don't think there is a value judgement attached here, it's just supposed to represents opposites. Peace-war freedom-oppression sweet-bitter feminine-masculine respect-dishonor unity-rebellion day-night life-death soft-hard etc... Ying-and yang and all that.
/r/MensRights18/10/16 04:54 PM
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Is it surprising? Women are probably a lot more likely to talk to other women - and get into fights with them. "misogynistic language" probably just means them trading insults. Because when you insult woman it is (of course!) misogyny, not because you have a personal problem with that specific woman.
/r/MensRights18/10/16 03:27 AM
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Aw, this really is glorious. And well deserved. You're gonna target a mentally disabled kid? I hope no-one mentions you ever again except for a laugh maybe.
/r/MensRights17/10/16 06:30 PM
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Some people are mean to female users -> Auto ban MRAs. Yes, because it's definitely the people who post here that are responsible for that. All of us. Of course, why wouldn't we attack female viewers? We hate women after all /s. God damn it, people are stupid.
/r/MensRights08/10/16 09:26 AM
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These kinds of reviews would probably drive more traffic than any MRA fan-base could generate. I really am looking forward to this movie though. The ideological journey she describes in the trailer mirrors my own quite a bit.
/r/MensRights07/10/16 04:13 PM
1

The point you're making is very well made. However, I did have to look 3 times before I "got it".
/r/MensRights07/10/16 04:09 PM
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If she's being a bitch, be a dick right back. If she doesn't cut it out then and there you'll end up in open conflict with her, which really isn't so bad if you remember that it'll be just as distressing for her as it might end up being for you. I must implore you however to refrain from any physical attacks and namecalling (unless she's openly insulting you), cus that wouldn't end well for you. Be sure to be condescending and never treat her as anything more than a laugh. And remember that peop…
/r/AntiFeminists07/10/16 04:01 PM
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Well.. I dunno, but it doesn't seems to me like there even is a conflict. It doesn't seem to me like she even meant to be insulting. So my advice would be to just forget about it and focus on the assignment. Or maybe I'm just not getting what's going on, what's your problem here?
/r/AntiFeminists06/10/16 06:17 PM
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It's your approach that's setting them off. calm down there cowboy Right off the bat you're invalidating their feelings in a dismissive manner.... Something most women, especially feminists tend to HATE. Hate with a passion. As you go on... your entire demeanor is a punch to the face. You're not going to get anywhere talking to them in this manner, because they're just going to dig down and entrench themselves against anything you have to say. The relevancy of what you are saying simply doesn't …
/r/AntiFeminists28/09/16 04:22 AM
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yes.. it's the culture that makes you miss it. Sight, but it's patriarchy that's objectifying women, not feminists.
/r/MensRights24/09/16 05:19 PM
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You're not wrong with that it's false advertising, I just don't think it's intentionally fake advertising. This seems to me like it's a direct and clear message aimed at the transgender community.... and a bit confusing for everybody else. I don't think they considered that others might misread it.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 07:50 PM
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I know this is very SJW-ish... but this is not actually a slight on men and r/mensrights shouldn't concern itself with it. They wanted to make clear that the women's bathroom is open to trans-women, and the best way to signal this is to have the phrase "gender neutral" floating around in big bold letters. Yes, gender neutral would usually include men, but I'm sure men have their own toilets... nor do I think is there a problem with FtM transgender people being kicked out of male restrooms.
/r/MensRights04/09/16 02:21 PM
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I'm interested how they go about confirming if what these women describe actually happened. Do they get witnesses, or video evidence or something? How would you prove it happened in court, since I'm pretty sure none of the witnesses of such an act would actually care enough to show up. I find wolf-whistling distasteful as well, but it seems a bit too petty for the police to get involved.
/r/MensRights13/08/16 03:43 PM
1

Was he a dick? Sure. But since when is it illegal to be a dick?
/r/MensRights29/07/16 06:11 PM
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She thinks men are the selfish/entitled ones... not her. Fucking lol.
/r/MensRights29/07/16 06:04 PM
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I'm aware that that casts very significant doubt on her case. I don't think it's quite enough to really call it one way or the other though.
/r/MensRights29/07/16 06:02 PM
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How was she found out to be lying, exactly? Maybe there is some new information, but last I remember he case isn't clear cut at all! Can we not just jump to conclusions in accordance with our political allegiance, plz?
/r/MensRights29/07/16 02:33 PM
1

sight... they care SO so much about whether or not some character from a ghost buster rip off is gay, don't they?
/r/MensRights14/07/16 04:26 AM
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"The sad part is that men do rape.", they'll say. Of course they're right... but so do women. Btw, cats chase things as well, even things they're not supposed to chase. Fucking Felinazi.
/r/MensRights12/07/16 03:44 PM
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Here we have a CDC study from 2010. Scroll down to page 18/19 and you'll find the statistics in question. I'm looking at prevalence within the last twelve months, you've got 1.1 percent of all female participants reporting rape. For men there are no rapes reported, but if you look a little closer you'll find something interesting. Men who were forced to penetrate someone else, against their will (made to penetrate) report in at... 1.1 percent. These numbers do not include prison rape.
/r/MensRights03/07/16 09:37 PM
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Here we have a CDC study from 2010. Scroll down to page 18/19 and you'll find the statistics in question. I'm looking at prevalence within the last twelve months, you've got 1.1 percent of all female participants reporting rape. For men there are no rapes reported, but if you look a little closer you'll find something interesting. Men who were forced to penetrate someone else, against their will (made to penetrate) report in at... 1.1 percent. These numbers do not include prison rape.
/r/MensRights03/07/16 09:36 PM
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Well... you don't have to interact with them, do you?
/r/MensRights03/07/16 01:18 PM
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trade your slight risk of protate cancer for their serious risk of being raped, Men are as likely, if not more likely (counting prison rape) to get raped... being killed, Men are about 4 to 5 times more likely to be killed violently than women are. starving to death, The fuck are you on about? Are you just making shit up so you can have more to list? or dying of preventable diseases like... prostate cancer?
/r/MensRights03/07/16 08:21 AM
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pretty much...
/r/MensRights27/06/16 09:54 PM
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Let me start by thanking you for doing this. You are cool, and awesome, and the saving grace of this god forsaken species, there isn't nearly enough actual exchange of ideas happening. I will only be addressing a small segment of what you wrote, because... reasons. Feminists are all branded as "feminazis" And have you ever looked at how MRAs are commonly treated by feminists? I mean.. just google "Mens Rights" and see what lovely things feminists are writing about us. Check out what happens at t…
/r/MensRights27/06/16 06:59 PM
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Mhmm.. I'm not that sure. People don't just act out... Men in particular often act in a way that they think they ought to act. So if men grow up in an environment where it's considered important to be able to stand up for yourself, to assert yourself, and to viciously defend your "in"- group whilst aggressing against the "out" - group... think bloods vs. cribs. then that's the type of 'masculinity' (or positive male identity) you're gonna strive for. It's true, there many circumstances that lead…
/r/MensRights27/06/16 06:32 PM
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Saying things like "women are smarter than men" is a perfectly acceptable form of bigotry nowadays. I know... it's a sad state of affairs, but it is perfectly acceptable. She's your run of the mill feel-good-feminist, nothing more, nothing less. It's masculinity not men thats toxic. So all men basically need to become transwomen and they'll be okay.-shit like that I don't know where you're getting that from in regards to Michelle Obama. But with toxic masculinity they (at least the more intellec…
/r/MensRights27/06/16 03:49 PM
2

and that relates to my point... how?
/r/MensRights26/06/16 03:34 PM
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Maybe that's a tad much? “Be better,” she said. “Be better at everything.” OMG MALE HATRED, SO BIGOTED LOLOLOLOLOL11 Yeah now, let's keep things within proportions, k? Michelle Obama is a liberal-feminist, one among millions and it would be political suicide for her not to be.
/r/MensRights26/06/16 09:50 AM
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I am confused how this happened, btw. There wasn't a huge Men's rights push to get women into the draft, was there? Where did this come from?
/r/MensRights24/06/16 03:08 PM
1

Enh... you think so? Judges have digression, and they use that digression precisely to judge a perpetrators character. Up and coming swimstars, celebrities and rich people tend to get treated better IMO.
/r/MensRights11/06/16 09:13 AM
1

The masses sure are howling for blood on this one...
/r/MensRights10/06/16 04:27 AM
1

But in no way does the insurance company denying the home owner compensation reduce the sentence of the robber, right?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 05:05 PM
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Ladies: Yes, you should never be raped. Obviously. But you have a responsibility not to get so incapacitated in public that you can’t even SAY “no” to unwelcome advances. Yes, that kid obviously shouldn’t have had sex with a girl who was comatose. But that girl shouldn’t have been comatose in an alleyway to begin with. I’m sorry, but I have to side with the reduced sentence for the boy. She put herself in a very compromising situation. She did not have the wherewithal to deny consent Sure, it's …
/r/MensRights09/06/16 04:17 PM
2

The entirety of NATO pounced on Libya... but how you can lay Syria and the Ukraine at Obamas feet is beyond me. Is just anything that happens in the world controlled by the US now or what?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 04:08 PM
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Soo... Obama overthrew Libya in your eyes? Not NATO? Not the Libyan rebels? And who expanded executive powers more, Obama? or Bush? And if Obama exceeded his authority so much... why isn't he facing legal challenges right now?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 04:03 PM
1

It sounds very much like she has no Idea what's going on online.
/r/MensRights09/06/16 03:37 PM
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Really? What major nationstate has Obama invaded and overthrown so far?
/r/MensRights09/06/16 03:26 PM
2

The comments are funny. They are CRUCIFYING the article! They assume she's already proven guilty or something.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 03:09 PM
0

Again... they left together, and had sex together. He had every opportunity to not participate in this, but he chose to do so. You're picking and choosing.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 03:07 PM
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The part where they left together, performed oral sex on each other and tried to actually have sex. The part where he didn't go: "You know what? I actually don't want this" and walks away (before he ejaculates).
/r/MensRights01/06/16 03:04 PM
1

The hypocrisy of Buzzfeed on full display. I do think she was falsely accused as well, but if she was a man.... this would be a completely different kind of article. What kills me is that they're still not going to acknowledge their own, oh so obvious, double standards.
/r/MensRights01/06/16 02:57 PM
2

Yeah, I smell bias, and it's a good thing that you're raising a stink over this. She isn't entitled to hold your grade hostage in order to make you sing her feminist tune.
/r/MensRights26/05/16 05:34 PM
6

We really ought to press this angle with Hillary. "What's up with your husband Hillary? We should we believe him then?" Though to be honest, I would be surprised if she actually believes this. She might pander to that particular crowd, but I just can't see her actually adopting that position.
/r/MensRights20/05/16 07:46 PM
1

Perfect example why this wage-gap bullshit is poison to equality. Let's not help low-achievers because that might end up helping boys. Let's not help boys because -> wage gap
/r/MensRights18/05/16 04:07 AM
1

You seem to define 'sexism' as something that's necessarily negative and discriminatory, akin to 'racism' almost. As do most people... But I think that's the wrong way to look at it. We are a sexually dimorphic species, most of us have certain attitudes about gender that are somewhat instinctual (like the gender empathy gap) and we have evolved that way because it helped us survive better. It's not nice, it's not fair... but nature is a bitch and we are not worse people because of it.
/r/MensRights17/05/16 04:11 AM
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The pic IS sexist. Not saying that's a bad thing, or hateful towards anyone, but there definitely are definite gender roles at play here. I mean, It's the men who are into marvel, not the women (though we just don't know whether they're into it, but who cares). The picture is significant because the women are seen as knowing of their partners liking and accepting it. The Idea of this picture is that 20 years ago that would've been unthinkable, no self respecting woman would date someone openly e…
/r/MensRights16/05/16 07:41 PM
1

well shit... didn't even know...
/r/MensRights06/05/16 04:30 PM
1

Well.. those things are technically considered a very minor form of "sexual assaults". That's just how police categorizations are defined. The cops, the lawyers and judges, as well as the statisticians know quite well what is actually meant with this inflammatory sounding term. The public does not, which is why it's so easy for the feminists to mislead them. Even Journalists often don't seem to actually know what that term actually means. Ps.: "sex that you didn't want to have" (sounds like a re…
/r/MensRights06/05/16 01:59 PM
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Oh, I don't doubt that 1 in 4 women get their ass groped in a club, or dealt with a guy who was pushing for a kiss a little harder than she was comfortable with... or whatever minor little thing might happen to a woman over a span of 4 very alcohol infused years. What I deny is that it's a problem. Most women who go through that... are fucking fine with it! They don't ever waste another thought on it once the night is over, so why should we?
/r/MensRights06/05/16 07:22 AM
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He had good points... but he was acting a bit like a twat. I wish they would've allowed that bold guy to elaborate a bit more on why the wage gap is bullshit... but they cut him off before that.
/r/MensRights02/05/16 05:17 PM
6

I have a list of 11 communi... I mean rapists!
/r/MensRights24/04/16 10:36 AM
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"I don't want to live in a country where the government decides what is and isn't a crime."
/r/MensRights20/02/16 09:13 PM
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She is not implying that women are more trustworthy than men, she's implying that a woman in the presidency is automatically revolutionary... ... since apparently this election is not about issues.
/r/MensRights06/02/16 10:36 AM
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There is nothing convenient about it.. I just forgot. But yes, message exchanges are a valuable source for clues. Anyways, I'm not a feminist, I'm an MRA. If you look back, all I was arguing for is that rape is difficult to prove one way or the other, that's hardly a feminist tenet... You're allowing your bias to kill your skepticism, and that's a damn shame. Btw... the middle east isn't as misogynistic as it's made out to be. Sure, they're a lot more traditionalist and restrictive, but with eve…
/r/MensRights13/01/16 04:16 PM
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Alright.. that's something. Video and audio evidence are obviously very definite proof... but you have to admit that most perpetrators are gonna try and avoid being recorded in the act. And it's something that's usually pretty easy to avoid considering that rape is usually something that happens in private. Cellphone tracking would prove person A was in the same room as Person B, but no one is tracking your Cellphone... Unless the government is watching person A the time it's happening this data…
/r/MensRights13/01/16 04:35 AM
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Like I said... There is reasonable doubt regarding Mattress Girl, but that's all there is. And neither one of us is really in the know on the Cosby case. Suspicions is all we have. Anyways... let's go back to my thought experiment. What proof/evidence could person B possibly have against person A?
/r/MensRights12/01/16 06:05 PM
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You're not entirely wrong... but you have to keep in mind that the people of the 90s probably had different shit to worry about. In about 20 years the online-conversation will have shifted to some obscure issue that isn't even on your radar right now. And I wouldn't be surprised if at some point you'll have some young 20-something get all up in your face about how you could've let that happen and how cowardly and useless you were today. And you'll fucking deserve it :P t doesn't matter to them h…
/r/MensRights12/01/16 05:24 PM
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Jackie is a proven liar, yes. With mattress girl there are some circumstances that cast a lot of doubt... but 'proof' implies a level of certainty that isn't warranted. You're letting your expectations shape your perception! Same with the Cosby case. We don't know what happened. it's finally coming to a trial now and I'm interested to see how that plays out, but calling it now one way or the other is premature. Right, thats what they all say. Right.. That is what they all say. And why do you thi…
/r/MensRights12/01/16 05:11 PM
1

To be fair, with rape evidence is somewhat difficult to come by.
/r/MensRights12/01/16 04:32 AM
2

well.. being a dick isn't gonna do it either, is it?
/r/MensRights12/01/16 04:30 AM
2

"Eugenics" doesn't mean forcibly sterilizing people with genetic diseases.. it just means fucking with the gene-pool which is obviously happening here. Forcibly sterilizing people... and killing large groups of 'undesirables' is just one unfortunate way of doing it.
/r/MensRights30/12/15 07:13 PM
1

yeah, seriously... Last time I've heard of that statistic it was 50% of all women.
/r/MensRights22/12/15 05:00 AM
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But those fucking 77% stems mostly from the fact, that they work less (hours, dangers, weekends, nightshifts) And the fact that women overall tend to work in completely different fields as well. These 77% are not broken down into individual jobs... it's an overall statistic!
/r/MensRights22/12/15 04:59 AM
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And what would that evidence look like? That's kind of the whole problem with prosecuting rape... often there is no evidence.
/r/MensRights22/12/15 04:57 AM
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Those stats are ridiculous. Women and girls account for about 70 per cent of the victims of human trafficking. Uhm... no? The biggest area where human slave labor is used is construction. Sex-slavery constitutes only a small percentage of the overall trafficking problem. I assure you, human trafficking is mostly a male issue. The UN estimates that 35 per cent of women worldwide have been the victims of violence. So you're telling me that 65 percent of women have never, EVER experienced violence?…
/r/MensRights22/12/15 04:55 AM
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You're probably not wrong about me, and my biases pushing me towards concluding that Kay won by a landslide. Nor are you wrong with disinterested and disengaged people going with their gut-feeling. I'll put it to you that on this level Kay won as well. What scaachi did looked forced and unnatural. Kay had dignity when he delivered our defense, and the moderator treated his points with respect. Even Adam shows respect for what he had to say. This panel discussion portrayed what we have to say as …
/r/MensRights15/11/15 04:18 PM
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In any case how can we even win any media debates if such a good speaker is destroying them all and yet they strut around victoriously like pigeons after a round of chess. You seriously questioning whether Jon Kay won this debate? Sure, those 2 might strut around like they've won... but everyone watching knows they haven't. They look like idiots. Remember, it's the people watching the debate that we're trying to impress, not the people we're debating.
/r/MensRights14/11/15 12:20 PM
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In a male dominated world, where women make 70 cents for every man's dollar, I guess a girl has got to get ahead somehow. Jesus Christ... there is absolutely no excuse for this writer. Gabby Bess, you are absolutely deplorable. WTF is wrong with you? No, you should not try and justify serial-killing!
/r/MensRights13/09/15 08:41 AM
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For all it's worth.. I appreciate what you're doing.
/r/MensRights17/08/15 09:50 AM
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If, for instance, a culture is misogynistic, and a woman engineer/developer voices her opinion against the lead male's opinion, she may be shouted down or ignored or belittled. That's a bit of an assumption though, isn't it? You're just saying that this is happening, and you just saying that isn't enough... How do you plan on actually convincing me that this is a thing in tech?
/r/MensRights15/08/15 08:28 AM
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So... are you in any way sure this guy actually doesn't deserve the criticism he's getting?
/r/MensRights11/08/15 03:44 AM
1

The fuck... where am I??
/r/MensRights29/07/15 09:14 PM
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Of course he's serious, and he's making a good point as well! If you don't acknowledge that you're no better than a feminist not acknowledging that the 77cts on the dollar are due to womens choices!
/r/MensRights26/07/15 07:24 PM
1

Look, I am aware that those things aren't exactly on the same scale... But you've got to acknowledge that women might have some legitimate fears about the idea of being secretly videotaped. I'm sure you wouldn't abuse that and I'm sure you wouldn't share that with your mates... but this woman doesn't always know you all that well, how would she know that you wouldn't do that. Yes, you can make laws against it, but how effective are these? You cannot dismiss these concerns and expect women to lis…
/r/MensRights16/07/15 08:40 PM
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And yet, still preferable to guys who spend the first date discussing how feminist they are. Are you listening, feminist men? They reeaallly don't like you.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 08:42 AM
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The parallel is that I see both as an immoral and unjustified infringement on the rights of one party, in order to protect the other party.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 08:16 AM
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well.. trickery isn't force, doesn't make trickery right, does it?
/r/MensRights16/07/15 12:57 AM
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Yes? Did you read the next sentenced where I explain why we shouldn't do that despite that?
/r/MensRights16/07/15 12:55 AM
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I know... it would really help protect men against false accusations. But just because a tool is useful doesn't mean we should use it. Abandoning the burden of proof would really help putting actual rapists behind bars... doesn't mean we should do that since this would be a massive infringement upon the rights of everybody who is not a rapist. If you want to talk about trust, look at the source of the breakdown in trust I hear you... doesn't mean you need to become part of the problem.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 12:48 AM
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Just because there is a law against it, doesn't mean it's impossible to share those videos and get away with it. Look, I wouldn't want a girl I hooked up with end up with a video of us either. Not without my consent at least.
/r/MensRights16/07/15 12:45 AM
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... bud Jesus, there is no need for you to be such a cunt about it. Yeah, encrypted videos would be an idea.. though I wonder how technically feasible and enforceable that would be. But that's not even my main problem: Do you really want to live in a world where men and women now constantly take these elaborate precautions against each other whenever we hop in the sack? A complete lack of trust isn't exactly hot, you realize that, right?
/r/MensRights15/07/15 11:18 PM
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Let me preface this by saying it does seem very likely to me that Bill Cosby did exactly what he is accused of doing. I'm still not ashamed about the skepticism I originally displayed. There is always a chance that the person accused is innocence... a chance, not a guarantee. Exploring is that possibility is still important. No one likes rapists, doesn't mean we can just condemn people based on accusations alone. That's what happened during MCCarthy, that's what happened during the witch hunts, …
/r/MensRights15/07/15 11:10 PM
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Right... let's ignore Amanda for a second. Fuck her. You've got to see why people might dislike the idea of sexual intercourse secretly being filmed. Even if the intention is purely to safeguard yourself... it gives men a power over the woman they sleep with, a power that they shouldn't have. I know, women have undue power over the men they sleep with at certain colleges... but let's not fight injustice with more injustice. Let's appeal to the best in people instead.
/r/MensRights15/07/15 10:57 PM
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oh.. 13 yr olds? enh... nevermind then
/r/MensRights05/07/15 07:54 AM
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Jesus... 22 years. I mean, I get it, she fucked around A LOT, with underage students, as an authority figure, in a place where parents expect their children to be save and well supervised.. But 22 years, you sometimes don't get that if you kill a person. The punishment should fit the crime.
/r/MensRights04/07/15 11:59 AM
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MRAs = Virginis = Rapists Duh!
/r/MensRights02/07/15 07:27 PM
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hello again^ You have to at least concede that feminism is the fight for equality between the sexes.... under the working presumption that women are currently oppressed, or at least hugely disadvantaged. With that logic the fact that most of feminisms gains has actually just been in favor of women is justified... even if these gains for women often quite significantly and unfairly infringed upon the rights of men. Now... if you presume for a second that women aren't and weren't massively disadva…
/r/MensRights02/07/15 07:10 PM
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Not bad though, is it? That would be something you'd want feminists to answer...
/r/MensRights02/07/15 07:06 PM
1

Welcome outcast! one of us, one of us, gooble goble gooble goble, one of us...
/r/MensRights02/07/15 06:55 PM
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yeah... buzzfeed is about as feminist as you can get.
/r/MensRights01/07/15 08:21 AM
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This is what they're calling "language that usually connotes anti-female harassment.": intentional discrimination on the basis of his male sex by condoning a hostile educational environment due to knowingly permitting and apparently approving of Columbia student Emma Sulkowicz’s and Defendant Columbia Professor Kessler’s engaging in prolonged sexual harassment of Plaintiff Nungesser, with the consequence that Plaintiff Nungesser had been effectively denied equal access to Defendant Columbia’s re…
/r/MensRights01/07/15 08:16 AM
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sight...
/r/MensRights30/06/15 10:11 PM
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Clearly we've endorsed revenge porn right now... since it's clearly the same as insults thrown at you over the internet.
/r/MensRights23/06/15 04:40 AM
1

Well, yes, that one bossfight... And there is that time where you fight the computer and kill the 3 female slaves used for computing, along with that asian chick.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 05:43 PM
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But female privilege isn't a thing...
/r/MensRights19/06/15 11:49 AM
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a) I don't really care. b) I'm playing Human revolution right now... there totally are women you fight against.
/r/MensRights19/06/15 04:13 AM
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to the women who have had to be soft but strong, just like septic-safe, 2-ply Angel Soft brand toilet paper. Check it out: Yeah, this is an advertisement campaign...
/r/MensRights18/06/15 05:15 AM
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They are doing this on the basis of race. And you think that because... ... because the guy interviewed thought that? What makes that guy an authority on the matter?
/r/MensRights09/06/15 02:31 PM
1

Are those latino men not men?
/r/MensRights08/06/15 01:43 PM
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I didn't see that racial angle coming.. but there it is.
/r/MensRights08/06/15 01:42 PM
1

If I could choose my opposition.. this guy would be my top pick to represent feminism.
/r/MensRights08/06/15 12:46 PM
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If you're ever in that situation... don't lose your shit. Remember the public is watching, and you and the MRM would suddenly become the bad guy.
/r/MensRights06/06/15 09:06 AM
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Thanks. (By the way, given her history... Enh.. you know, we're all watching and scrutinizing her, and there was also a director/witness involved. I'm also sure that there is a script of the whole thing lying around somewhere. I think the guy is pretty safe on this end. Also... I haven't watched the video, but wasn't it shot from different angles? That would be a little awkward to film during an actual rape. And most importantly... the guy who helped her film this probably believes her story. So…
/r/MensRights06/06/15 09:03 AM
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So, I couldn't actually watch the video for some reason... I know that this is Emma's version of the events, but what about what happens in the video was actually rape, or is being called 'rape' by her?
/r/MensRights06/06/15 12:56 AM
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Say what you will about Emma Sulkowicz... she is entertaining.
/r/MensRights05/06/15 01:01 PM
2

Not every feminist is a hardcore feminist.
/r/MensRights29/05/15 03:25 AM
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There is a line, however, that sits roughly around where the person is passed out. True, but why does that line sit somewhere around there? It sits there because at that point we know that he/she didn't actually consent. Person A was lying there, and person B took advantage of that without person A's knowledge or consent. In this case however Person A decided he wanted to fuck Amy, looked up how to get to her dorm, walked all the way over from wherever he was partying, somehow managed to propose…
/r/MensRights28/05/15 07:10 PM
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She raped a guy by feminist standards, not by normal standards. Drunken sex =/= rape, can we please not forget that?
/r/MensRights28/05/15 03:51 PM
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No, I'm not asking you to congratulate me for not being a rapist, I'm asking you to not call me one!
/r/MensRights27/05/15 10:16 PM
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Now she is threatening me with me making her pregnant And how would she do that?
/r/MensRights23/05/15 01:53 PM
1

Look, I have my prejudgments about feminists as well, but I think it's better to not prejudge when it comes to individual people. I don't think we should polarize individuals against us until we know for certain that we even want to count them in our opposition. There might even be some important core values that we have in common, and we could use influential allies.
/r/MensRights21/05/15 07:33 PM
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I suspect she has no moral qualms... All I know about her is that she has filed a harassment lawsuit. What has she done that makes you suspect that? Has she said anything to that extend?
/r/MensRights21/05/15 04:26 PM
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she seems to have feminist leanings so I wouldn't be surprised if this is what she has in mind. She does mention 'group harassment', which is interesting. Now I am almost certain that MRAs are just a lot more eager to engage in direct conversation than feminists are, because MRAs are more confident in their positions than feminists are. I'm sure it doesn't exactly feel pleasant to be on the feminist end of that. The thing is, if you want to be a socially active group engaging with the opposition…
/r/MensRights20/05/15 09:48 PM
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Ok, honestly this isn't too bad. She quite straight forwardly said that she wouldn't ban, and even encourage subreddits like "gas the kykes" as long as they don't target anyone specifically. It does sound like a real commitment to free speech, even unpopular speech. Ellen Pao might not be the buggyman we thought she'd be.
/r/MensRights20/05/15 07:58 PM
1

Right, and I'm gonna dress up as hobo and try to ask women out on dates... they'll have to pay of course since I'm poor. Oh what, no takers? Guess women are shallow as well.
/r/MensRights18/05/15 08:11 PM
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Because harassment is obviously all that we are about, right? Get fucked.
/r/MensRights15/05/15 03:47 AM
1

Roosh.. fuck you, and fuck off.
/r/MensRights13/05/15 04:21 AM
1

Yup, probably. He's selling 'spite'.
/r/MensRights10/05/15 06:17 PM
3

And that make him 'openly a hate group' how?
/r/MensRights10/05/15 07:42 AM
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All funds submitted to this fundraiser will be used for “legal costs” and/or costs directly related to me wanting to “spend money” on “stuff.” He's pretty much telling you that it's a joke right here.
/r/MensRights10/05/15 07:41 AM
2

Wut?
/r/MensRights02/05/15 07:09 PM
1

There have been some genuinely misogynistic and misguided notions floating around in the MGTOW community. I don't think it's all of MGTOW but I certainly can't blame these women for being offended.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 09:19 PM
1

Heyy.. I used to identify as a feminist as well. Welcome, enjoy your stay. Feel free to tell people they're stupid if you think they're being stupid. You won't get banned, I promise.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 08:27 AM
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I think they just want to cut down on toilet cleaning...
/r/MensRights26/04/15 08:24 AM
3

I live in Germany. I've always wondered why. Now I know. Thanks.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 08:23 AM
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it is more his fault for fucking me unconscious Wait, what? Yeah, that actually is his fault.. – i mean i was conscious but clearly not in my right mind Well, fuck off then.
/r/MensRights26/04/15 08:20 AM
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Sorry about the bad english, it is not my first language. I haven't spotted bad English at all, so far. But then again, English isn't my first language either.
/r/MensRights23/04/15 04:05 PM
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We have plenty of prominent female MRAs who are something akin to ideological figure heads. Karen Straughan/girlwriteswhat and her video series is what got me involved with the movement for example. Due to the nature of the topic, there is reason to suspect the fact that they are female MRAs has something to do with why they gained so much popularity almost as soon as they popped up. I could imagine that that ruffled some feathers among the MRAs who have been at it for a lot longer and weren't n…
/r/MensRights22/04/15 07:19 PM
2

I'm french so I don't know much about the draft (we removed selective service a few decades ago) I will bet my bottom dollar that the moment France gets into some serious military trouble your ass is going to war.
/r/MensRights22/04/15 04:49 PM
2

Those are just insults, there is really no need to respond in any serious manner. And yet she'll probably cry "misogyny" when we call her a cunt.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 03:06 PM
1

Plz fuck off, troll.
/r/MensRights21/04/15 03:37 AM
1

Right... Men are probably better chess players than women. Is it smart to keep harping on about this?
/r/MensRights20/04/15 04:05 PM
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Feminists and their enablers are hatemongering intolerant fascist bullies. It's not that often enough that isn't right, but from a rhetorical standpoint stringing all of those labels together in one line is making you sound silly.
/r/MensRights19/04/15 07:42 AM
1

Yawn... Amanda Marcotte fails to even offend.
/r/MensRights19/04/15 07:34 AM
1

Right, but was it their plan to fall back to a debate about 'the principle' all along (If, why?) or are they just trying to redirect focus from being caught in a lie.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 09:41 PM
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I don't think they're doing it consciously. They really believe their overarching narrative and are used to getting away with little lies in support of it. They know they're right, and everyone else knows that too, so why should anyone double check if the venue has anything to say about it? They're used to there being no controversy and no one looking. The defending of "the principle" is a fall back position, but it only safeguards their own personal ego and harms the overarching narrative of a …
/r/MensRights16/04/15 07:08 PM
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To the maniacs who want to use this as a chit against women’s issues, I ask that you please don’t. Oh ok then.. I wont. Because you said so. Your opinion matters.
/r/MensRights16/04/15 02:26 PM
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Oh Jesus Christ, who the fuck cares? Let them prank each other. The 'kill a puppy' prank didn't exactly seem kosher either.
/r/MensRights15/04/15 03:26 AM
3

Now did /r/atheism deteriorate because they didn't enforce the rues or did /r/atheism deteriorate because this whole Atheism vs. religion debate was getting stale anyways and was loosing the interests of all it's smart people?
/r/MensRights15/04/15 03:20 AM
3

Not really. This guys life was a downward spiral ever since he first got imprisoned for outstanding child support. Because of that he lost his well-paying job and he never had a chance to recover since then. His story ended with him being shot trying to not end up in prison a second time because of it. How is this out on a limb?
/r/MensRights13/04/15 03:12 PM
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Yup, this is a story about men's rights in America, especially black America. This guy was trying to put his life back together, and was denied from doing so at every turn by the family court system... he was running from a warrant for outstanding child support payments that he had no chance in hell paying back, especially not if he ended up in prison again. This sad tale ended with him being shot by cop who considered him as less than dirt.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 03:05 PM
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I think you're missing the point. He's not trying to say: "he deserved it because he owed child support" or something. He's bring this up because that makes this a MensRights story.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 02:59 PM
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It's even worse.. He had a good job once, he lost it because he ended up jail because... he was owing child support payments. He was trying to put his life back together and didn't want to end up in jail for it AGAIN.
/r/MensRights13/04/15 02:57 PM
2

mopped the floor..
/r/MensRights12/04/15 10:19 AM
2

She is 17 so... you know... what more do you want?
/r/MensRights12/04/15 07:30 AM
1

5 and 8 years...
/r/MensRights11/04/15 01:48 PM
3

So... 6 and 8 years for conspiracy to commit murder with racial motives?
/r/MensRights11/04/15 10:05 AM
1

You mean chemical castration though, right?
/r/MensRights10/04/15 10:03 AM
2

Alright, the thing about male sterilization is that it's supposed to kill the offenders sex drive. With female sterilization I doubt that was the goal. This woman has a history of... well, probably killing her child. I'm assuming the prosecutor doesn't want to see more children born and neglected/killed by her.
/r/MensRights10/04/15 04:45 AM
1

I mean, sure, there is a double standard when it comes to mock violence... but look at how desperate they want you to call them nerds! They're trying really hard. "Look at me! I like Super Mario!"
/r/MensRights06/04/15 07:36 AM
1

I don't think I will ever understand the pathological desire to alienate one gender from the other. I dunno, I don't see it as bleak as that. In my perfect world we'd have plenty of friendly heckling being thrown back and forth, and both would be socially acceptable.
/r/MensRights06/04/15 07:34 AM
24

Right... so what's the point?
/r/MensRights03/04/15 03:34 PM
18

This is despite the fact that Brianna's husband, while very talented in his own right, once took around 50 lives to beat the first level of Super Mario Bros. Jesus, we're sorry, but some sort of nerd implosion just happened in our brains. We're going to have to beat up your husband, Brianna. You people are lame. Really really lame.
/r/MensRights03/04/15 03:23 PM
56

Why are we making fun of "just girly things"? Sure, they're easy to make fun of, but why should /r/mensrights care?
/r/MensRights03/04/15 03:14 PM
5

Because abusive women don't know how to use the internet? Is it on account to them being women?
/r/MensRights03/04/15 08:24 AM
1

If they do we can contact them and see if we can form a partnership. I don't think so, there is no central organization of anything like that. since they were persecuted by feminists just as we are they would make natural allies. They actually consider gamergate to be us. They think we somehow made gamergate and they go through length trying to show a connection between us. What they don't realize is that all those anti-feminist groups aren't popping up because the MRM is so incredibly effective…
/r/MensRights01/04/15 03:37 PM
2

And who do you think politicians listen to? Do they listen to activists, or do they listen to anyone with enough money to fund their campaigns?
/r/MensRights01/04/15 03:32 PM
2

I didn't know gamergate had a website.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 03:41 AM
1

They probably won't openly associate themselves, you're right. But If they understand gamergate... and since they're game companies I'm assuming some do, then they're probably sympathize with GG's goals.
/r/MensRights01/04/15 03:40 AM
6

Let's get some cooperate backers. They don't have to come out in support of the MRA label... Things like gamergate would work as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the gaming industry is sick and tired of bowing to feminist pressure.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 04:04 AM
2

You people are just as nuts as feminists. Hey, I'm not. I can't read the story but from what you wrote: and you guys are accusing her of being a rapist because she likes to wake him up with a blowjob... I'm a bit disappointed as well. I hope it's just ignorance rather than MRAs becoming actual menninists.
/r/MensRights31/03/15 03:55 AM
2

Our movement is not winning We are not 'in the lead', but I see reasons for being optimistic. If the mainstream discussion is shifting, then that means everything.
/r/MensRights24/03/15 05:54 AM
3

I kinda see feminism the same way I see Sigmund Freud. Almost everything Freud said is wrong, but he's still the father of modern Psychology. Same with feminism. Everything they have to say about gender is wrong, but they're still the first ones to look at it from a critical perspective.
/r/MensRights20/03/15 03:01 PM
1

I was gonna wonder why buzzfeed is writing about this. They are supportive of it...
/r/MensRights20/03/15 06:13 AM
2

I see your point, I'm just going with 'patriarchy' because it's so commonly used and the researchers seems to be looking looking at this topic through a feminist lens (even if he/she isn't actually a feminist.)
/r/MensRights19/03/15 08:35 PM
1

Like the "respect" you'd give to a machine? Pretty much. You might not love your calculator, but you will accept his opinion on the matter of 2+2.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 03:12 PM
1

I wouldn't say excluded... but amended, at the very least the fact that this is something we didn't know how to answer should be taking into account during the analysis.
/r/MensRights19/03/15 01:39 PM
1

So this person is certain that they are taken more seriously as a man, and in the next breath they mention that they are taken far less seriously on a number of issues, such as when they are in pain, when they complain, or when they need help. But they don't notice this as a contradiction. Do you seriously not realize that these are 2 completely different things? One relates to that persons capability, which he feels has become more accepted, the other relates to that persons vulnerabilities, wh…
/r/MensRights19/03/15 06:16 AM
6

Took the survey... I'd change the definition of 'patriarchy' you used. At one point you defined it as 'A system of gender-roles advantaging males and disadvantaging women' (I'm paraphrasing) and then went on to ask how much this issue, or that issue is the result of patriarchy. That is not how I think society works, and because of that I was very hesitant to attribute a certain issue to 'patriarchy'. If you had defined 'patriarchy' as: "A system of rigid genderroles" that would've worked for fem…
/r/MensRights19/03/15 05:44 AM
1

Emma Watson, you opinions are uninformed. Please take some time to review and reflect them before you run your fucking mouth. "If you stand for equality, you're a feminist - I'm sorry to tell you, but you are." Sure, I'm a feminist then, since I'm for equality. I also think that rape and DV are blown completely out of proportions as issues, I think the ongoing infringements on due process over those issues is worrying, I think women are about as likely to abuse and rape as men are, I think the w…
/r/MensRights18/03/15 06:48 AM
7

Trust. Well, the lack thereof. Generally speaking, we (men) do not believe things when they're told to us by women. True, nor do we trust men like that. Seriously, If I pointed my finger at someone else and said: "He stole from me!", or: "He assaulted me!" or anything else... do the cops just arrest him and haul him off to federal prison? Do mobs just randomly start forming and start lynching him? Or do we try to actually figure out the validity of my claims first? But with women... we should ju…
/r/MensRights18/03/15 06:28 AM
2

Yup, I used to be a feminist, too. And again it was GWW and AVfM that completely turned me around. This was before feminists started pumping out one attack piece after another on the MRM.
/r/MensRights17/03/15 05:59 AM
14

From the comments: I heavily dislike men also. I don't hate them. Maybe on some general terms but, I still do trust some men because I know not all of them are exactly terrible. But the MRM is misogynistic, right? Feminism... clean up your fucking house!
/r/MensRights16/03/15 05:33 AM
1

ah, thanks. It's actually 46 out of 63, gotta edit that.
/r/MensRights14/03/15 11:55 AM
1

That point is also directly contradicted in the text.
/r/MensRights13/03/15 08:33 PM
2

I participated twice. Once as an actual, genuine feminist and once as an MRA. The first time I got into a ridiculously long spat with another feminist on that sub. It was about an article where of a feminist lambasting all us males for spending our time wanking and playing videogames... and then complaining that we couldn't get laid. It went on to conclude something like: If men want a woman that is kind, warm, understanding and well natured men will have to start becoming more mature, capable a…
/r/MensRights13/03/15 06:02 PM
147

Feminists objecting to facts as usual yadiyadiya... I found this interesting: of 56 black women and 63 black men over the age of 65 from Atlantic City, New Jersey. Of the women 27 (48%) said they "felt vulnerable" to crime; 46 (73%) of men said this. How come elderly men felt more vulnerable than elderly women? Could it be that men are used to relying on their own physical strength to defend themselves? Old age robs both men and women of that strength... except that women weren't relying on it f…
/r/MensRights13/03/15 05:38 PM
3

Good... we like shitstorms, especially when we're trying to raise awareness about something. The nasty responses are especially valuable. It's like we're holding up a mirror for society to look at and evaluate itself... and expose commonly held attitudes to scrutiny.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 07:01 PM
4

Well, is it really news to anyone that chivalry is an aspect of sexism? Not sexism that is against anybody, but definitely a result of how we see men and women differently.
/r/MensRights11/03/15 06:54 PM
1

No, it's not female video gamers fighting back. It's a couple of career feminists acting like they represent female videogamers and otherwise doing their usual thing.
/r/MensRights10/03/15 05:43 AM
0

do you mind explaining the difference to me?
/r/MensRights09/03/15 03:54 PM
0

Very libertarian...
/r/MensRights09/03/15 05:58 AM
1

Funny how that works, innit?
/r/MensRights06/03/15 05:31 AM
1

Male power is "wounded now but there's nothing more dangerous than a wounded beast, thrashing about, flailing its tail with the barbs on it, and a lot of people are really getting hurt badly," I'm assuming with "wounded beast thrashing around" you mean us, the MRAs and the growing anti-feminist movement. Who do you mean with? and a lot of people are really getting hurt badly, Who has gotten hurt by us? Is there actually anyone to whom anything actually happened? No? Well, STFU then.
/r/MensRights06/03/15 05:20 AM
1

so what?
/r/MensRights06/03/15 05:15 AM
4

Funny how all of a sudden the 95$ wasted on the date matter, now that she is the one who paid them.
/r/MensRights06/03/15 05:11 AM
4

What if the obviously misleading statistics feminists love to pump out get accepted as 'fact'? What if this 75 cents on the $ bullshit gets accepted as 'fact' and any contradiction to that narrative gets penalized? Fuck Gawker, yes, but this is worriesome.
/r/MensRights06/03/15 05:08 AM
2

Economic Left/Right: -2.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.33
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:53 AM
1

Funny how for feminists 'troll' now means 'someone you disagree with' rather than: 'Someone who deliberately misrepresents the issues'
/r/MensRights04/03/15 04:48 AM
1

Because I hold political, economical and/or constitutional power apparently...
/r/MensRights03/03/15 07:53 PM
1

He is a true believer... but he is not willing to bullshit in support of his case. He is willing to go wherever his convictions may lead him. He quite evidently thinks MRAs are shitlords, so quite what you expect to gain out of this dialogue is truly a mystery to me. So did I, so did half the subscribers of this sub once, so what? His only exposure to the MRM has been through feminism, it's only natural for him to think of us ('us' is excluding you) that way. And while these kinds of threats and…
/r/MensRights01/03/15 01:42 PM
1

feminists, traditionalists, etc... What I'm saying is... don't knock em for seeing us as part of 'the problem'. I see them the same way. And yes, it is a hit piece... but one genuinely believed. And one beneficial to us because he ends up linking to us, giving us exposure. This guy is honest, let's go talk to him.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 12:32 PM
1

Don't we talk the same way about them?
/r/MensRights01/03/15 10:02 AM
0

Jesus, I'm not suggesting we go suck his dick, I'm just saying we go talk to him... Why are you being such a cunt?
/r/MensRights01/03/15 08:02 AM
-3

He mentioned him, but he didn't link him to us. As recent events have demonstrated, ranging from the Supreme Court's ruling against reproductive freedoms to Eliott Rodgers' suicidal shooting spree in Isla Vista, Calif... He was just kinda pointing towards general issues facing women in that completely over the top way typical for feminists. "Beware baware! Women are in danger!" Obnoxious, I get it, but that wasn't a smear.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 01:33 AM
-4

Maybe engaging with the writer could be productive? He seems to be arguing in good faith.
/r/MensRights01/03/15 01:19 AM
1

He's against abortion? Yeah, I'm not a fan of this guy either. It's just too bad that he's the first person to actually start a party.
/r/MensRights28/02/15 09:53 PM
4

MRA arguments are self-defeating? Then why don't you actually present them? Instead off: Sharlet reports that the collegiate activism director of A Voice for Men, Sage Gerard, treated Blair completely grossly, getting handsy with her and warning her about sending mixed messages. Later, at the private party, Sharlet notes that Elam and his buddies made rape jokes about her. “Just a couple of middle-aged guys joking around about rape with a young woman they’ve never met before in a hotel room at o…
/r/MensRights28/02/15 01:07 AM
4

The aauw is still pretty much an interest group... a highly biased source.
/r/MensRights27/02/15 10:05 AM
1

I remember that one highschool teacher going on and on about how bush was the greatest and gay marriage the worst... and he's just went on and on spouting his conservative ideology during math class. He didn't win any converts.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 07:34 AM
1

Well you could make a sexual harassment complaint against him. Uhm... no? Can we not just play the discrimination card on basis of ideology? Unless he doesn't treat him any worse because he's a guy, we really shouldn't start throwing around sexual harassment complaints.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 07:29 AM
1

Men can't both claim a right to keep traditional roles in the workplace and deny support for traditional roles to women in the home. I don't disagree with you, but what you are seeing here is diversity of thought. We're not all on the same page on everything.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 03:58 AM
2

So tell me exactly how unfairly you men are being treated by the police and the courts? Tell it to a woman who lives every day in fear. To a woman who has flashbacks, panic attacks, and frequent suicidal thoughts. If this happened to you, I am sorry it did. But can you not imagine how the cops would be even more dismissive towards a man claiming a woman abused him? Your suffering doesn't negate the suffering of other people.
/r/MensRights26/02/15 03:55 AM
2

That photo of Paul Elam though... He looks like one mean motherfucker.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 09:15 AM
1

A specter is haunting Reddit: The specter of SJWs. Ripping off Marx and Engels, are we? Well, your ideology will fail just as hard.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 08:58 AM
1

I love how they throw in a charge of antisemitism.. just for good measure.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 08:54 AM
2

The fact that it's basically just pandering to feminist will probably piss some fans off... Please don't seriously compare comic book feminist Thor breaking someones jaw with politically motivated violence.
/r/MensRights25/02/15 08:52 AM
1

Arguette's political grandstanding played into every ugly stereotype about 'feminism' ... oh yes. Surely you mean the malicious misinformation about the 'wage-gap' that feminists have be spouting. ...being about little more than some privileged white women trying to become more privileged No, that's not... I wonder why they decided to eat their own in this case. Nothing she had to say related in anyway about race, only about gender. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just trying to out-shout opp…
/r/MensRights25/02/15 08:43 AM
1

The only reason Roosh is big is because feminists love to rage about him. ... and pin him on the MRM because he's an obvious bad guy.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 09:49 AM
9

Domestic violence kills more than king hits, terrorism and the pink batts scheme combined So... almost no one? Very, VERY few people died because of those things when looking at the general population. Seriously, the slippery surfaces in your bathroom are more likely to kill you than your husband or boyfriend.
/r/MensRights24/02/15 09:33 AM
4

There is value in listening to stories from men changing their behaviour. Not to applaud them – because they aren’t some underdog deserving of applause, that should be reserved for their victims – but to drill down into why men are violent, what gets them to change. Ah, I see. So when one of those male panelists actually 'drills down' why those men hit, you're gonna dissect his comments and not just dismiss them on the grounds that those are abusers, right? This excuse doesn’t wash because these…
/r/MensRights24/02/15 09:26 AM
10

Yes, please yell at /r/Mensrights some more... whilst directly linking to us.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 09:40 AM
-1

And these people are feminists? Why do you think that?
/r/MensRights23/02/15 02:14 AM
2

It's funny as long as she didn't actually strike him.
/r/MensRights23/02/15 02:13 AM
3

I'm from germany, and I was wondering why I didn't hear of this.
/r/MensRights22/02/15 10:41 PM
5

Well.. there is that one guy who pulled a gun on them. Not in this video though.
/r/MensRights22/02/15 12:02 PM
2

I doubt myself a lot more. You read enough times that you’re a terrible person and an idiot, and it’s very hard not to start believing that maybe they see something that you don’t. Yeah, I'm sure it's all the people calling you a cunt that are making you doubt yourself. Not the.. you know... well reasoned and well argued refutations that keep stacking up in the comment sections whenever you spout your stupid fucking nonsense.
/r/MensRights21/02/15 09:22 AM
23

WAM (Women, Acton and the Media) was put in charge and all of a sudden all feminist-critical accounts (not just MRAs) started disappearing. And I mean, prominent figures, too. Thunderf00t and the likes.
/r/MensRights21/02/15 08:54 AM
2

Yeah, no he's not. He's what feminists would like MRA's to be, because he is easier to shit on.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 03:46 PM
2

I present to you: Girlwriteswhat I know that video series is a lot, but she argues our points in the best possible manner and is quite honestly the reason I myself am associating with the MRM. Her material is required listening if you want to know your way around here...
/r/MensRights20/02/15 03:42 PM
3

You realize that most of this current campus rape 'epidemic' has next to nothing to do with strangers jumping out of the bushes and assaulting people. It revolves mostly around murky issues about the legitimacy of consent when intoxicated. Arming students isn't gonna do shit.
/r/MensRights20/02/15 03:38 PM
1

Well, I wasn't gonna comment on this.. I wasn't gonna read this, but the shallowness of this article just screams out at you. I can't help but insult it. "Wrestling is gay, and dudes with emotions are gay, and misandry isn't real because of this I can't be misandric because misandry isn't real, and movies about dudes are booooooooring because obviously 'merit' within a plot-line isn't real either..." Jesus, you are an Idiot.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 11:46 PM
7

Your mom makes a valid point.. this is a store specifically geared towards women.
/r/MensRights15/02/15 01:59 PM
2

A nice piece... and very interesting thing for 'switched at birth' to do.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 07:52 PM
6

It's a satirical thing. Meninists spout feminist talking points.. except with the genders reversed. And all of a sudden the idiocy becomes obvious.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 12:42 PM
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The (satirical) point of Meninism is to use the exact phrases and logic feminists use... and just reverse the genders. From what I've seen, they don't even exaggerate or simplify or anything like that, they just reverse the genders and all of a sudden you don't need to point out it's stupidity anymore, it just becomes obvious. Kinda like when you tell a christian that in his heart he already knows Odin exists... he's just refusing to admit it.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 12:41 PM
-1

Well... stop responding fagget.
/r/MensRights14/02/15 11:07 AM
-1

Irrelevant... So basically: once you're drunk enough, you're no longer responsible for your own actions, is that what you're saying?
/r/MensRights13/02/15 09:56 PM
-1

like... is it seriously too much to ask that you stay responsible and aware of your own actions whilst drunk?
/r/MensRights13/02/15 08:57 AM
-1

A drunk person who showed up at your apartment looking for sex...
/r/MensRights13/02/15 08:36 AM
0

Enh.. it didn't faze me that much. I love the show, but this was to be expected. And whilst they shat upon the MRM, they are paying attention. I mean, hey, we've made it onto Parks and Recreation after all.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:22 AM
1

A common theme seems to be that men are not the most important people in the work of men's cancer charities. You have to acknowledge that MRM = Men. We are a grassroots movement representing a certain viewpoint, a viewpoint that goes very much counter to the establishment. Those cancer charities have to watch the fuck out, if they get associated with movements like us, they can suffer real repercussions.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:17 AM
3

Talk. Open your mouth and openly advocate for the ideas you believe in. This is an ideological conflict, and we need to let people know that this a legitimate position to take, with real people who believe in it. It's time to turn 'common knowledge' into 'openly shared knowledge'.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:13 AM
1

I agree. The GOP is gonna treat rape, domestic violence and porn the exact same way feminists do. The only place where the GOP diverges from Feminism is when it comes to restrictions to reproductive rights, which negatively impacts men as well.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:08 AM
-2

No, she had sex with someone insanely drunk... which in feminist land is considered rape.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:02 AM
1

Well, we did make it onto parks and rec now. Please feminists, keep mentioning us.
/r/MensRights12/02/15 10:00 AM
1

Basically Edit: actually, not quite. It's just that his guilt couldn't be proven beyond a 50/50 standard. And that's the problem with the 'preponderance of the evidence' standard. Whatever the outcome is, nothing has actually been demonstrated to a reasonable extend. Is he guilty, or is she? It's still somewhere around 50/50... so it's up to the court of public opinion, every time.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 11:58 PM
1

And quite often MRAs are blasting bars for having a 'girls night', putting us in not the best position to make fun of feminists here. Look... can we stop squabbling about this bullshit? We are bigger than this, and have bigger issues to worry about than this.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 10:44 PM
6

I care more about everyone feeling free and capable to form an opinion—even an unpopular one. All of a sudden, eh?
/r/MensRights11/02/15 03:03 PM
41

I believe Emma, but I recognize it is time to move on from her story. Of course. The moment Emma's story starts looking a little fishy, and starts becoming abut the need for due process for the accused and the necessity for the public to refrain from judgement, rather than about the need for even more draconian regulations of sexual conduct.... That's when it's time to move on from the story.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 03:03 PM
2

http://www.donotlink.com/ Problem solved.
/r/MensRights11/02/15 05:37 AM
1

Because OKCupid is enforcing a double standard here. I get that that's infuriating, but does correcting that in this case actually help men? Wouldn't a man want to know who he's going on a date with? You might be worried about this being normalized... but I don't think it will ever be. People really dislike hypocrisy when they recognize it, and feminists calling themselves 'misandrists' are recognized as such. Why not give them enough rope to hang themselves? That's the upside of freedom of spee…
/r/MensRights10/02/15 05:56 PM
3

Why do we need to stop people from expressing themselves? Especially on dating sites... isn't that something you'd want to know about your potential match?
/r/MensRights10/02/15 04:41 PM
1

Look, the thing about AVfM is that the people who donate to it actually read AVfM. And they know what Paul Elam is about, and they personally trust him. That's why they give him money. No one is asking you to trust him, though you cannot deny that he delivers results.
/r/MensRights09/02/15 09:28 AM
3

A barrister has sparked fury among rape victims after insisting men should not be convicted if the woman is drunk or on drugs when sexually assaulted. No, that's actually not at all what he said. He said that the involvement of drugs or alcohol doesn't turn sex into sexual assault. But hey, it's ok. You're the dailymail, no one expects better from you, you do what you want.
/r/MensRights07/02/15 05:02 PM
-1

You haven't actually spend much time reading AVoiceForMen, have you?
/r/MensRights07/02/15 09:40 AM
34

1) Yes. It is the MRA subreddit. 2) Yes, grossly. The broadest example is them painting us as Right-wing, anti-abortion, homophobic, traditionalist and pick-up-artists. We are none of those things. Oh, and they love to support this typecasting by pointing to the often homophobic and misogynist writings of people who are not MRAs... ReturnOfKing per example. Buzzfeed is especially guilty of this. 3) Feminism is a broad and very badly defined label... So there probably are plenty of groups that af…
/r/MensRights06/02/15 04:58 PM
7

It is kinda difficult to make a reasonable point when the host is trying to strong-arm you into making a concession you don't have to make. It really wasn't necessary for her to thank feminism for giving her the vote, nor was that particular action of feminism all that virtuous. She was gonna explain why, but wasn't allowed to.
/r/MensRights06/02/15 10:28 AM
2

Jesus, this story just goes on and on and on and on....
/r/MensRights06/02/15 09:34 AM
2

You mean... physically? All the time. Do you remember Ray Rice, the football player who knocked out his fiancee in the elevator just recently? His fiancee was in the process of physically assaulting him when he knocked her out... the argument put forwards was that she is a woman and therefore Ray Rice should've de-escalated the situation without hurting her, because women are weaker. That argument was put forward by feminists. If that's not what you meant... could you clarify?
/r/MensRights04/02/15 03:06 PM
1

urgh.. I hate it when typos are being quoted back to me...
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:47 PM
3

Can you show me some evidence where women decided they were weaker and needed help? Can I show instances where women didn't like something and changed it? Yes, yes I can. Prohibition would be the most prominent example. The Women's Christian Temperance movement almost singelhandedly pushed that through, before they had the vote, mind you.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:46 PM
3

Women never needed men to shield them from the harsher realities of the world. That’s a pretty sexist statement to imply women are weak and need protection. Are you actually denying that men are usually physically stronger than women? But that's beside the point, it's not just that women needed the protection of men, it's that society needed to protect it's women. I mean.. think about society 5.000-40.000 years ago, throughout most of human history we lived in small tribal societies. If a tribe …
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:41 PM
1

We aren't ready to enter the Mainstream? What do we need to get ready then? More supporters, aye, that's always great, but I actually think we already have plenty.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:09 PM
4

troll doesn't mean: "Someone who disagrees"
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:03 PM
2

Well.. first of all, thank you for doing this. There is too little of a conversation happening between MRA's and feminists. Yes, many of MR's problems are resulting out of the way society works, I don't think you'll find many MRA's disagreeing with you here, and 'patriarchy' might even be a good name for it. Where we disagree is in how feminists describe patriarchy. It's not "Men oppressing Women" it's "Men shielding women from the harsher realities of the world". Yes that resulted in some restr…
/r/MensRights04/02/15 01:01 PM
4

No, she's a coffee shop feminist. A liberal going along with mainstream liberal attitudes which happen to be feminist, but there is no real commitment to the ideology. Per example, you wouldn't see her doing the mental gymnastics you see in places like tumblr or SRS.
/r/MensRights04/02/15 11:37 AM
1

And Barack Obama.
/r/MensRights03/02/15 04:08 PM
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It's really not that big a deal...
/r/MensRights03/02/15 08:38 AM
2

You started relies with an insult Actually... I didn't. That wasn't me. But you were being insulted for intentionally misrepresenting me (in an insulting way, too), not because you have a different viewpoint. Also, do you know what the NIBRS is? It's not the law. It's a study, that definition of rape you were quoting is just for the purpose of that study.
/r/MensRights03/02/15 08:36 AM
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That's not an argument, it's a stance, a viewpoint you're defending. With no real argument whatsoever, btw... you're just repeatedly insisting that you're right, (not so subtly) misrepresenting your opposition and start to personally insult your opposition when they don't budge, THAT'S what makes you a sjw troll. Please fuck off.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 10:52 PM
2

Did I say unconscious? I didn't did I? The thing is... You knew that. You're just intentionally misrepresenting the issue. We all knew that. And you probably know that we can all see through your bullshit, so why are you even bothering?
/r/MensRights02/02/15 10:45 PM
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That's called rape No it's not. If you look at the legal definitions of 'rape' in any state, drunk people can consent. Only when you are feeding that person drugs without that persons knowledge does it become rape. As an adult, you are accountable for your behavior, no one else. And that is true when you are drunk as well. Even when you are a woman.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 02:05 PM
1

Links to advocacy groups and articles don't count as 'sources'.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 08:35 AM
2

traditionalism plays a role here as well.
/r/MensRights02/02/15 08:26 AM
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Karen Straughan Seeing the way rape statistics have been manipulated: "made to penetrate" is simply not being considered as rape.
/r/MensRights01/02/15 11:39 PM
3

Alright... I have no problem with satirizing feminism, but this sounds a bit too much like a real feminist, making you look like an intentional troll. I know it's what they do to us all the time, but we should be better than this. Please remove it.
/r/MensRights31/01/15 09:15 PM
1

Well.. I'd argue that feminism is an entire ideology, an ideology with a narrative of female victimization by men at its heart. If you don't believe men oppress women, I'd like to politely ask you to reconsider you calling yourself a feminist. How about a 'Womens Rights Activists'? I don't want reasonable people throwing their weight behind the label 'feminism', that's all. Right now, you're like my dad calling himself a Muslim simply because he comes from a Muslim country, despite believing in …
/r/MensRights31/01/15 08:32 PM
3

Men's rights activists have missed the point of feminism entirely -> Associates the MRM with various mass murderers, right off the bat... What a fucknugget.
/r/MensRights31/01/15 08:18 PM
1

She's your sister.. you're allowed to insult her back. Almost your duty as a brother.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 08:43 PM
3

Granted, this doesn't work from grade 1-4... however, have you ever thought about just sitting your kid infront of the tv and fucking off anyways? I know it sounds a bit irresponsible, but starting grade 5 the kid ought to be at least 10, right? A ten year old can be expected to not fuck shit up for a couple of hours.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 07:37 PM
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And it's pointless, too. If you promote everything, you promote nothing. Mike Buchanan isn't the most competent person to represent Men's Rights.
/r/MensRights27/01/15 11:30 AM
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men's rights groups claiming that it's feminism's fault that cutting baby boys' genitals Uhm... no? Not according to the men's rights movement though; it's feminists who have trivialised and stifled debate on circumcision, There is no denying that many feminists have voiced their opposition to circumcision in the past. Credit, where credit is due. However, you acknowledge: It's frequently said that "you can't compare female genital mutilation to male circumcision", mainly by people from cultures…
/r/MensRights26/01/15 08:24 AM
1

Easy, the people claiming 'women are children' and the people complaining about the pussy-pass usually aren't the same people and have completely different philosophical stances and goals. One group (MRAs) want to make the justice system more equitable, and it's only natural for them to complain about the obvious sentencing discount women get. Red Pillers are trying to improve their 'game'. Why are you even asking them question like that? They don't care...
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/15 10:45 AM
1

Thanks. I'll try and spread it around further when I have the time, as well.
/r/MensRights23/01/15 08:04 AM
2

No. They moderate tone very harshly. You're not supposed to personally attack and generalize, and the mods are extremely trigger happy about that, but you won't be banned. Most of the time the offending comment will just be deleted and you get a message warning you. Feminism being what it is makes it frustrating sometimes... this one feminist, she was literally saying that she had prejudices against men, yet I was censured for calling her a bigot. You can't call a spade a spade sometimes, and yo…
/r/MensRights23/01/15 05:16 AM
10

Do you mind if I crosspost this to r/femradebates copying major parts of your text and/or links? Or you could do it, but it needs to be there.
/r/MensRights22/01/15 11:15 PM
3

Called it. Good find OP
/r/MensRights22/01/15 11:09 PM
1

What a strange wannebe killer. (thanks;)
/r/MensRights22/01/15 11:07 PM
1

All day, every day.
/r/MensRights22/01/15 02:00 PM
1

...Come and arrest me for God's sake before I hunt for my fourth victim... What a strange killer. Anyways, we (the MRM) are not responsible for every fucked up killer of women out there, and I don't think we even need to comment on it. When Elliot Rodger was pinned on us, it actually drove people into our arms, because everyone except them could tell how full of shit SJWs were being on the matter. If they want to pin this one on us.. let them.
/r/MensRights22/01/15 01:54 PM
1

Well, good discussion... The fact that Mike didn't get to talk all that much worked out well for him.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 06:54 PM
1

You can treat medical problems... the moment they become a medical problem. Those medical issues you described really aren't common at all. Source? I live in Europe. Stay out of the parents decision. It is between them and their doctor. Actually, no. No it isn't. It's the decision of the person who owns the penis and parents are taking that decision away from the kid for no good reason.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 06:07 PM
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Well.. I was wondering what this clickbait bullshit was doing here, now I know. You could've used this opportunity to post something thought provoking, to start a discussion and to maybe even sway the opinions of some people here a little bit. But nope.. you chose to insult our intelligence instead.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 05:58 PM
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It's disgusting, it really is. The mere fact that now there is a campaign to tell 'men', not 'passengers', just men how to sit and behave in public. No, I don't intend to passionately defend sitting with your legs apart, but it really isn't just men that run afoul of subway etiquette. And people sitting with their legs apart is the least of anyones problems. This is not a campaign to reinforce common courtesy.. this is an insult.
/r/MensRights21/01/15 05:41 PM
1

the comments are funny...
/r/MensRights21/01/15 05:43 AM
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Well spotted. And for all those about to say: "See? Patriarchy hurts men, too! This is why you should feminism." This might be patriarchy, but not patriarchy as described by feminism.
/r/MensRights20/01/15 09:44 PM
2

Yes. However... Mike isn't a very eloquent (or fitting) representative of the MRM. He's just the first guy to start a party. If you want to know why we are anti-feminist (and happen to way to much time on your hand) check out Girlwriteswhat I know that's a lot, but she's the reason I'm an MRA and not a feminist.
/r/MensRights20/01/15 12:59 PM
1

The fuck did he say?
/r/MensRights20/01/15 08:52 AM
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Laura Baites is a whiny miserable woman... Oh boy... Mike Buchanan is not my pick for representing the MRM. I'm sorry Mike, I really am, but please step out of the public spotlight.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 12:23 PM
2

How many dads recommend to their sons to handle problems where someone is insulting them with fistfights? How crazy a world did you grow up in? Where do you live? Anyways.. what does that have to do with playfighting? Some Dads misbehaving doesn't mean we need to stop little kids from wrestling, that doesn't mean playfighting leads to violent people.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 10:29 AM
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I really don't think there are that many parents out there trying to make their kids fight.
/r/MensRights19/01/15 06:38 AM
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I wouldn't feel comfortable with children participating in MMA either. Aw, com on, what's childhood without a little braindamage? In all seriousness.. I don't think anyone is 'making' those boys playfight. I think they start playfighting naturally. And instead of trying to subdue any kind of physical interaction... how about you talk to them? Once they are becoming teens, maybe?
/r/MensRights19/01/15 06:02 AM
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Well, not if you don't turn it into that. Playfighting simply isn't the same as solving a conflict with violence. Playfighting completely lacks a conflict, so there is no association between 'conflict' and 'fighting'. All it is, is a playful way to develop motor skills, strength and a healthy sense of competition between peers, there is very little intent to actually harm your friend playing with you. Most people understand that this is what is going on when we play soccer, computer games, chess…
/r/MensRights19/01/15 02:21 AM
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That's also stressing the difference between playfighting and bullying or abusing. I agree with you, it's just... I think kids are aware of that. Not consciously of course, kids are stupid, but subconsciously. And I think we'd be a lot more successful if we subdue behaviors that actually harm their peers rather than behaviors that we loosely associate with 'harm'. Playfighting isn't hurting anyone. Intend to actually harm is.
/r/MensRights18/01/15 11:44 PM
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Jesus Christ, are you seriously trying to pathologyze little boys playfighting? 'Oh, they're imitating violence, that must mean they'll be violent' Does that not sound overly simplistic to you? Where I live, in Germany, our police has a program which essentially takes kids of the street - kids who have violence and anger problems - and teaches them boxing. That's right, they're teaching violent kids how to do violence more effectively. But you know what actually happens? They stop being violent.…
/r/MensRights18/01/15 07:23 PM
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This is a very interesting submission IMO, thanks for posting OP. Look at them! Bashing Russia (the outgroup) and ignorantly refusing to acknowledge that they might have a legitimate grievance in that latest conflict. In fact, they're lashing out at anyone who they suspect might think so: "MRA's are consorting with the enemy!" ... But you're not the establishment trying to enforce homogeneity, eh? You suck at being rebels.
/r/MensRights18/01/15 06:50 PM
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I don't know, no one knows, and anyone who claims to know is either lying or a little dense. All we do know is very vague, and I mean: 'anywhere between 50% and 10%' type vague. The reason no one knows is because that would require us having an efficient and reliable process of separating fact from fiction in rape-cases, more reliable than what the police have at their disposal.... who actually spends a significant amount of time, money and manpower on each individual case.
/r/MensRights18/01/15 06:37 PM
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I'm ok with that. This societal shift doesn't have to happen under the banner of MensRights, as long as it happens.
/r/MensRights17/01/15 03:45 PM
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this is more TIA material, I agree.
/r/MensRights16/01/15 04:08 PM
1

By the criteria you've used here, that would make the Green Party / Environmentalist politics conservative which seems rather counterintuitive to me. I tried, but I couldn't let this go in my head. Yes I know it's counterintuitive, but part of the environmentalist platform is pretty conservative. They display an obvious fear of technology. They're against nuclear power, genetic modification, geo engineering, worried about the mechanization of the workforce, etc... all things that pave the way in…
/r/MensRights16/01/15 03:42 PM
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Allright.... I think it's time to stop talking to you.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 04:27 PM
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LALALALALALAAA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!! STRAWMAN! RED HERRING! AD HOMINEM!! Bb, fuck feminism because it demonizes men is a straw man argument. No... that still isn't a straw-man argument. You don't understand logical fallacies, how about you google them before you try to point them out to people.
/r/MensRights15/01/15 05:23 AM
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Oh, also.. check the actual paper. Notice that they don't actually explain their methodology. You cannot find what the questions were that they asked, nor how they counted the answers. It's shit like this why I stopped trusting statistics touted by feminists a long time ago. Most of what they cite turns out to be cheap propaganda research.
/r/MensRights14/01/15 10:20 PM
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That's not an ad-hominem either... Are you an MRA caricaturing a feminist?
/r/MensRights14/01/15 05:20 AM
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'fuck feminism' isn't an argument, it's a statement, a declaration. An argument would go something like: 'Fuck feminism because... etc.' I find it funny how you react to opposition. She literally hasn't even made her case yet, and you already yell "STRAWMAN!!".
/r/MensRights14/01/15 05:18 AM
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She's not even making an argument here... do you know what a 'strawman' describes?
/r/MensRights14/01/15 12:17 AM
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Sure, but playing with dolls and acting more 'feminine' isn't the only way you can learn to be nice, caring and empathetic. Those aren't inherently feminine traits. I'm not against playing with dolls, I played with one myself for a short while.. but this is clearly being pushed on them because 'feminine' is now conflated with 'better'.
/r/MensRights14/01/15 12:15 AM
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Aye. And it's not just that she's a fighter. Kaley Cuoco was 'not really referring to herself as a feminist...' and 'is that bad?' Bec Rawlings committed with an open middle finger.
/r/MensRights13/01/15 10:45 PM
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Nothing. I don't picture Feminists watching UFC.
/r/MensRights13/01/15 10:06 PM
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Well... she certainly knows how to properly plant a flag.
/r/MensRights13/01/15 07:23 PM
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Just placate her. For now. That's what we do with irrelevant people who are unfortunately still in a position of power. If you actually want to do something about her, bide your time until she fucks up. Then you act.
/r/MensRights12/01/15 11:55 AM
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The result would've been the same if he had brought them dinner afterwards and he died of food poisoning, so what?
/r/MensRights12/01/15 11:47 AM
0

Between suicide and murder?
/r/MensRights12/01/15 05:05 AM
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A counterfactual claim is a claim about a world that's alike ours in every way except for one key aspect. In this case, a world where my alternative film had been made. We don't need to do that... all we need is find a comparable film, which you seem to lazy to do.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 11:33 PM
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If a claim involves philosophical questions that you do not know the answers to, then don't make that claim. Also, no this is not a counter factual claim. It's possible to create a gender flip of this movie, and probably has already been done. You just haven't found it yet.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 11:03 PM
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I was giving you an example. You are implying however that the genderflip would get such an outcry. That is something you need to demonstrate as well and didn't.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 10:50 PM
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You could actually look at all the movies out there that have student/teacher relationships and sort them by gender. Next, you can look at who is portrayed as the perpetrator and assess general trends. That would take resources you don't have, I understand that. My actual suggestion to you is to abstain from making claims you cannot actually support and just stick to the ones you actually can.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 10:41 PM
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Pff... There are 2 ways to take criticism. You chose to use offense as an excuse to dismiss it.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 10:37 PM
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Uhm.. I wasn't thinking about this sub, I was thinking about the MRM in general. We've grown tremendously over the last 2 years. There is a way to actually look at the subscriber growth of this sub... but I have no Idea how.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 09:09 PM
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Yeah, but you're just assuming that. I mean.. it's likely that that's right, but you have to try and actually make verifiable claims. The claims we make about this world are based on our perceptions, and the claims we see others make end up shaping our perceptions. If we don't keep claims verifiable we risk engaging in a feedback loop that just gets more and more extreme and we end up loosing our touch with reality.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 09:06 PM
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Oh, you can criticize a movie... But you cannot expect movies to adopt a different narrative just because that would be more convenient to you politically without me calling you a busybody.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 08:38 PM
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You can do that when you can demonstrate a major tendency in movies. You can't if all you have is one low budget movie.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 08:35 PM
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And what is it you want from this movie? Do you want it to follow the plot points you have drawn out for it? It's not your movie, you know.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 08:27 PM
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Who broke the law by Oh, the law is the divine measure of right and wrong all of a sudden? You can't tell me that an attractive young teacher doesn't know that she can manipulate an male teen with raging hormones and no experience in how to control them. Soo... she was using his nature against him and that means he was raped? I've heard that type of reasoning before. and calling it an act of irresponsibility instead of the intentional abuse it is perpetuates the idea that female teachers raping …
/r/MensRights11/01/15 08:16 PM
2

Hey, our last growth spurt was still very recent. Those things take time
/r/MensRights11/01/15 08:02 PM
2

former Nazi rocket scientists were brought to the US post WW II. People like that piss me off. Of course the US recruited some former Nazi rocket scientists. What, does his association with Nazis somehow dispute his rocket science? Are you really gonna deprive the rest of the world massive scientific advancements just because you don't like a particular persons ideology?
/r/MensRights11/01/15 06:40 PM
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regardless of whether or not former Nazi rocket scientists were brought to the US post WW II. I don't see the relevance.. but someone else has made that stupid-ass argument to you, am I right? Ah...I probably think in a different framework than you. I don't define progressive/conservative as i would an ideology, but a good indicator is to look at what their attitude is towards change. Progressives want to lead humanity into a better world, Conservatives want to prevent their community from being…
/r/MensRights11/01/15 06:11 PM
1

I don't know how you can use semantics as evidence that the NSDAP was a left wing organization whilst simultaneously involved with gender politics. How many times have you heard feminists say that they are for equality? Does that make them egalitarians now? Of course the NSDAP had to appeal to the vast majority... the working class. Is it in any way surprising that their language often sounded a lot like that of their ideological opposition appealing to the same demographic?
/r/MensRights11/01/15 05:44 PM
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Aye, but he probably doesn't mind playing that 'Straw MRA' because it gives him attention.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 04:34 PM
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That didn't help at all...
/r/MensRights11/01/15 04:26 PM
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This is the type of shit where the MRM is just fucking loosing me. Look, if you're pissed about what happens to a male 25 year old teacher having sex with 16 year old female student in comparison to this.. I hear you, but for fucks sake, that is not this teachers fault. No, she didn't abuse him. They had a sexual relationship. He doesn't have the maturity to deal with the possible repercussions of sex, and yes, she was in a position of responsibility of him. She neglected that and endangered his…
/r/MensRights11/01/15 03:56 PM
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I've got a question... Just how do you define LEFT and RIGHT?
/r/MensRights11/01/15 03:28 PM
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It's very topical, and here is why: Are you conflating 'authoritarianism' with 'leftism'? Because the nazis came out of the authoritarian right, not the authoritarian left. And If you accept that, then I think you should show a little bit more of a willingness to at least try and have a productive conversation with the left, because you're clearly not fucking perfect either... If you don't accept that, why?
/r/MensRights11/01/15 03:23 PM
1

So, I've found this text linked. The Tl;dr of it is that hey too blame the mrm for fatshaming week, but it was 'return of kings' that is responsible for it. "Return of Kings" is a Pick up artist. Cracked has pulled that shit a few months back, and have probably have gotten plenty of correction by us since them. Now they do it again... I've encountered a youtuber a while after that. He linked to that cracked article as well, genuinely believing that ROK was one of our leading influences. And can …
/r/MensRights11/01/15 03:07 PM
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"Being drunk is not consent" What do you mean with 'drunk'? Because it seems to me that with "drunk" you mean "drunken behavior". And within "drunken behavior" you seem to include behavior like verbally propositioning someone for sex that you wouldn't have propositioned sober. In other words: "you cannot give consent whilst drunk" That's what you want to say with that. If that is what you mean, why don't you actually say that? Why do you feel like you have to maintain so much plausible deniabili…
/r/MensRights11/01/15 02:55 PM
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Uhm.. because he is the antagonist? It's a movie, those are fictional stories, relax.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 02:19 PM
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You make it sound like the teacher busts in and started bashing the kids head in.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 02:14 PM
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You know.. the right does have it's failings as well.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 02:13 PM
1

urgh.. this saddens me. There isn't anything I can think of to combat this.
/r/MensRights11/01/15 02:03 PM
1

Enh.. I have to concede here, I think. Being gay probably does affect your everyday life more.
/r/MensRights10/01/15 09:46 AM
1

yeah.. don't fuck your life up.
/r/MensRights09/01/15 02:11 PM
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Yeah.. it's not... But you need to ignore Youtube comments. Not to insult the good people on youtube, it's just that youtube has a fucked commenting system. It's no longer the best comments that make it to the top, or even the newest... It's the ones that create the most controversy. The fact that this comment made it to the top means that this was the comment that managed to piss the most people off. On youtube, trolling brings the highest reward right now. That's why you see this insipid, infl…
/r/MensRights09/01/15 01:42 PM
1

I agree that being an MRA is different, however, it's a fair assumption that you're openly gay, right? Making you the worst possible person to state that case. being an MRA is not something people kill/beat/harass/bully you over. Then why are you openly gay, but not openly an MRA?
/r/MensRights09/01/15 01:34 PM
1

Well.. if you freak out like that, you're desperate, and you know people aren't on your side. My jimmies remain calm and collected.
/r/MensRights09/01/15 06:09 AM
1

There are probably more people like you out there, to intimidated by the hostility thrown at their viewpoint to come out as an MRA. It is no coincidence that the MRM flourished in the anonymous environment of the internet. They absolutely will come for you and your career if you don't cry at the dear leaders funeral. The dynamics of coming out as an MRA are probably similar to coming out as gay. The first person coming out within a hundred is gonna get fucked up. But that person will put others …
/r/MensRights09/01/15 05:48 AM
-1

She's trying very hard to misunderstand her opposition.
/r/MensRights08/01/15 05:25 AM
1

thanks
/r/MensRights08/01/15 12:00 AM
2

Alright, Dilbert seems to be popular here... I don't get the relevance at all though.
/r/MensRights07/01/15 02:07 PM
2

in response to Intel publicly joining the SJWs and giving them millions of dollars. could you give me a link or elaborate on that a little yourself?
/r/MensRights07/01/15 11:49 AM
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Alcohol plays a role in most violent confrontations. It's not about the alcohol facilitated violence, it's about the fact that there are clearly sexist double standards at play when we deal out judgement after the fact. It's not a perceived pussypass when he wouldn't strike her back until she started taunting him, it's not a perceived pussypass if immediately after he threw the punch people started telling him "You crossed a line man.", it's not a perceived pussypass when you look at this and co…
/r/MensRights05/01/15 07:24 PM
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I disagree. Look, I know this is uncomfortable and doesn't exactly make us look good, but this has everything to do with MR. If you have one class of people that is allowed to inflict this level of physical violence onto another class of people.. and that second class of people is somehow in the wrong for retaliating, then we do have a fucking problem, and we do need to point at it.
/r/MensRights05/01/15 04:48 PM
2

Yeah, but at the same time, if you give someone a black eye, and then start taunting him... No, I'm not gonna give him shit for punching you back.
/r/MensRights05/01/15 04:43 PM
1

Neither have I other than through this story. It does seem like he has been arguing against feminism and on behalf of men's legal rights though. He does seem to actually be one of our bad apples, but now he's been blown up as a representation of us.
/r/MensRights05/01/15 03:55 PM
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Don't get me wrong, Fuck this guy and everything he stands for. But I'm getting a little sick of those hacks trying to tie every single nutjob they can find to us, all the while pretending that people like Elizabeth Sheehy, Valerie Solanas, Radfemhub and the Agent orange files as well as #KillAllMen didn't exist. Some misogynist said something vaguely threatening in some obscure corner of the internet? ->"Men'sRights activist threatening to murder women!!" Oh, fuck off!
/r/MensRights05/01/15 03:19 PM
1

Yup, same story here. Used to call myself a feminist, even proselytize a little to my friends, started getting involved with actual feminists and was just dismayed at the utter contempt for intellectual honesty. Actually well meaning people got bullied out of their positions and had their careers destroyed because they deviated from some of the more insane and sex-negative feminist positions. Then GWW happened, and I found out that the numbers on rape have been tampered with... I found out that …
/r/MensRights05/01/15 02:55 PM
1

When it comes to MGTOW vs. Paul Elam... I'm firmly on Paul Elams side. And attitudes like: Keep in mind Paul has attacked MGTOWs in the past, Stardusk and Barabarrossa. Mocked them and rejected them. are why. Really? He attacked them? And that excludes him from MGTOW? If you want to be a MGTOW you cannot criticize fellow MGTOW? Fuck that, I'm out.
/r/MensRights04/01/15 09:36 PM
1

doMENsticviolenceresearch?? Are you saying only men perpetrate domestic violence?! /s Thanks for the link, I'll check it out later.
/r/MensRights02/01/15 07:24 PM
1

This is about domestic violence, but might also be interesting to you...
/r/MensRights02/01/15 09:44 AM
1

Have you ever heard of GirlWritesWhat? Karen Straughan? Check her out, her video series is among the best explanation of why we believe what we believe. If you want to understand us, she is required viewing.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 12:32 PM
1

I did read and understand what you meant. I don't think you are sincere however. Your account is about an hour old, which means you created this account to specifically post this... which erodes my trust.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 12:27 PM
1

Unless your target audience is feminist..
/r/MensRights31/12/14 12:24 PM
1

He is, but he's also not real.
/r/MensRights31/12/14 12:02 PM
1

New account, bigoted title... you're a troll, aren't you?
/r/MensRights31/12/14 12:02 PM
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Funny, but there is no way for us to know the context. To me, both of you seemed perfectly reasonable.
/r/MensRights30/12/14 10:27 AM
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Why is this a mod post?
/r/MensRights29/12/14 06:05 PM
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Wow, what an effort. Apologies In advance, I don't think I'll be able to match it in the long run. I'm interested in what you have to say, but it's just too fucking much. Look, I hate to bust your bubble Here you roughly define male and female gender-roles, but I'm confused as to where you lean on the 'nature vs. nurture' debate. You called it an 'instinct'... sounds like 'nature'. Obviously, we know this model is null and void today. What changed? Our culture did, maybe. The environment we live…
/r/MensRights28/12/14 02:12 AM
1

enh... depends on how you look at it. Does it work well for you? Maybe not. Does it manage to maintain itself? So far, that worked like a charm.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 11:40 PM
1

Society is selective in what murder it allows. Exactly. Selective in such a way that it can function and function well.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 10:35 PM
1

You're not a spiritual being, you're a physical entity. We can manipulate the things you think about by altering your brainchemestry... You're physical. ... You know what? I don't actually care that much. Feel free to have the last word, but let's agree to disagree.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 10:31 PM
1

Because society doesn't function with murdering being legal. That's what morals/laws are. An attempt at creating a functioning society. I am most certainly not a christian (or Muslim or Jew). Where does your belief in a soul come from?
/r/MensRights27/12/14 04:28 PM
1

Sandman doesn't know what he's talking about. Yeah, sure, feminism is dominant in sweden right now because living in sweden was hard! It's clear in this video, and it's clear in the video where he's trying to explain manspreading... his conclusions are just always soo out there.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 03:15 PM
3

Social Justice Warrior. It's a term encompassing feminism, all kinds of tumblrisms (silly shit, like the fat acceptance movement, otherkin, etc.) as well anti-racist, gay liberation groups that approach their issues with the "oppressor/oppressed" dichotomy that we know so well from feminism.... In other words, it's a term for all that believe straight white men to be the devil.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 02:50 PM
1

Do the understand how our soul works? When does a baby get his soul? Baby's don't have a soul, and neither do you. Right... I understand that you are probably christian, and believe in souls, and that is your right... Do you understand however that you shouldn't try to legislate your religious opinions into law?
/r/MensRights27/12/14 02:38 PM
1

I disagree with you. are you gonna give a reason why?
/r/MensRights27/12/14 12:17 PM
2

Of course... I forgot about 'at risk' behavior.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 12:16 PM
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A lot of these issues men's rights activists are advocating could actually be improved through.... Feminism! Things like child custody unfairness and rape erasure. How long has feminism been around? 60 years? 80? 150 at least if you count first wavers... And what exactly have they done in those areas? With child custody.. google the tender years doctrine. It was feminists who created custody laws they way they exist nowadays. With rape erasure.... did feminists fight for men in that field? Did t…
/r/MensRights27/12/14 04:43 AM
-1

He's not taunting anyone... He's paying homeless people money and tries to get the viewer to empathize with them.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 04:19 AM
1

It's really easy to judge another person while you're sitting in a very comfortable room, with air conditioning, a computer with internet, drinking your favorite brand of beer and eating doritos. It is, but judgement does have a constructive purpose. Judgement isn't about understand an individual situation, it's about getting others to conform their behavior to our standards of morality. You might think we don't have the right to judge, but we do have the right to not give them money.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 04:17 AM
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hm.. that is interesting. I can speculate why. My guess would be that with men it's the more vulnerable ones that are getting raped, so children, and men in other vulnerable positions. With women... 15-25 is the time of their peak physical attraction, and the peak sexuality for their male counterparts.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 04:08 AM
2

3) This is certainly a problem, but it's not the work of feminists. You know, we don't blame feminism for as much as you think we do. We are fully aware that feminists didn't create what you'd probably call 'patriarchy'.
/r/MensRights27/12/14 01:37 AM
1

Look, I think it's kinda foolish to expect a completely gender-less society. Sexual Dimorphism is a thing, and it's unreasonable to think that that wouldn't extend to the neurological. Gender roles generally will emerge, no-matter how often you 'reset' society. They're just part of the human condition, as much as breathing air is. That said, I don't think they should be enforced in anyway, and if you wish to live differently, I'll be the last person to judge you
/r/MensRights26/12/14 10:24 PM
14

I do see a little bit of dishonest shit in the presentation. Per example: 79% of female victims of completed rape report they were first raped before age 25. vs. 28% of male victims of rape report they were first raped when 10 years old or younger. You know, there might be a good reason for presenting a different age range for men and women... but my experience with the CDC tells me it's so that they can have a big 72%!! next to women, and 28% next to men, making it look at first glance like men…
/r/MensRights26/12/14 10:14 PM
1

recommend a change to the blood donor deferral period for men who have sex with men from indefinite deferral to one year since the last sexual contact. Oh, just 1 year is it? This might allow for a few more bisexual men, but actually gay men are still pretty much excluded from it. But this pressure to include sexually active gay men in blood donations is retarded. Including them would increase the amount of yearly HIV transmissions. Sure we could screen for it more, but that would consume more r…
/r/MensRights24/12/14 07:43 PM
1

Right, legal paternal surrender.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 05:56 PM
2

It's a reasonable win. She should've gotten some extra punishment for trying to mislead the cops, but even that wouldn't have amounted to more than a slap on the wrist.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 02:09 PM
1

I agree.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 02:08 PM
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I don't think a man should have the right to force a woman to carry their baby to terms. It IS her body doing most of the work, and feeling most of the effects of that pregnancy, so it is her choice. It's not fair, but what can you do?
/r/MensRights23/12/14 01:47 PM
1

Alright... 1) There is no way for us to verify any of it 2)There is no way for us to pin this on feminism. I know you're not a Journalist, but these are bad Journalistic Standards you're introducing here. As is Janet Bloomfield... who kinda is a Journalist.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 02:15 AM
1

Drug peddlers are coopting the language of equality and feminism to try and get this drug on the market, some feminists are using this trumped up bullshit to further women's victim cred and no one is asking why that drug was banned. Personally, I don't give a shit, but feminists.. please don't be that dumb.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 02:10 AM
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haha.. wow. You can tell how their brains worked. He was criticizing peoples flippant attitude towards the presumption of innocents when it comes to rape cases, and their first goto? -> Are you blaming the victim? Rape culture! Casual sexism! Blahdi blahdi blah, lots of angry buzzwords, not one coherent argument... these people do not belong on TV.
/r/MensRights23/12/14 02:04 AM
1

Should gender, accusations, or guilt in other crimes mean one deserves to get raped or deserve the lack of justice they receive when they are raped? Of course not, but this is not what's in question, now is it? We shouldn't just blindly accept any supposed hardship men face without scrutiny. Extraordinary claims, etc... I will dismiss it for now, until I have reason not to do so.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 12:37 AM
1

He was talking about instances when the perpetrator was male.
/r/MensRights21/12/14 12:06 AM
1

and the police won't even file a report, saying that he should have been strong enough to fight his attacker off. This I don't buy.
/r/MensRights20/12/14 07:26 PM
1

Yup. Not enough people are pointing out that those statistics on false rape accusations feminists like to tout are basically just assuming that every accusation that isn't proven to be false is true. I'm critical of MRAs claiming 50% of accusations are false, because that statistic had a very small sample size.... but it's not that level of bullshit.
/r/MensRights20/12/14 10:19 AM
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Do I, as a female have the same chances as men to succeed in certain aspects of life, especially in business, and science? Yes. Do I have to fear if I get raped that I will not have my assailants brought to justice? You do, but so does everyone else. So does every victim of any other crime. Besides, most assailants aren't brought to justice because the victims don't report them.... I'm sorry, but how do you think this works?
/r/MensRights20/12/14 10:14 AM
1

ahh, yes, I know that one.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 01:28 AM
1

CMV What does CMV mean?
/r/MensRights19/12/14 01:00 AM
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I checked them, too, and I don't see that at all. I think it's just that he hasn't had this discussion yet... at all. Which is why we are getting those level 1 questions.
/r/MensRights19/12/14 12:05 AM
2

Please leave your thoughts in the discussion section, but please don't downvote this post if you disagree. I would rather it be visible so all subscriber to this subreddit can see it and input their thoughts. I'm afraid this post isn't gonna do that well. It's just... we've heard what you had to say a dozen time before, no one is going to be interested in having this discussion again. I coughed up a response because.. well, someone has to. You're late to the party, mate.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 11:53 PM
2

That's not a concern troll. I think that's someone genuinely interested. I first came here with the same notions.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 11:52 PM
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I am a man, and I believe that the true meaning of Mens Rights are equivalent to Feminism. That's because you think "Feminism = Equality". You look at the MRM and see basically the same notions and goals, so you think they're the same. But when you say: "Feminism = Equality" you're forgetting an important underlying assumption within feminism. The assumption that women are oppressed. And I say that assumption is false. To name a few: on average men are paid 75% more than women, No they are not. …
/r/MensRights18/12/14 11:49 PM
1

Good, I'll look for it, thanks.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 11:11 PM
1

Mate, don't you think a video would be more appropriate than a live podcast? I don't think anyone besides you saw what you were trying to show us.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 10:42 PM
2

God, why are none of these fuckers capable of figuring out how the acronyms for the MRM work? More specifically, it's about blaming those feminist bitches. Got screwed in a divorce? Feminist bitches. Killed in a war? Feminist bitches. Injured in a high-risk job/victim of spousal abuse/male on male rape/accused of rape/homeless? All the fault of feminist bitches. His writing is exactly as simplistic as he looks, look at him! Yes James S. Fell, please try and convince more men like you to start ev…
/r/MensRights18/12/14 10:36 PM
2

Nail on the head. The only reason why I can see the NYC woman being included is not herself, but the conversation around that video. SJWs outright refusal to acknowledge that street harassment clearly has something to do with a lack of socio-economic status rather than 'privilege' was infuriatingly disingenuous. I think a better title would've been: "Most insane feminist phenomenons of 2014" This doesn't really feature that many individual people.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 06:56 PM
1

yup.. sorry, I don't know why I thought splitting hairs was necessary back then.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 02:14 PM
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Emma Watson isn't a crazy. She's your average, run of the mill, well meaning, coffee shop feminist. If some of the things she proposes are presumptuous, out of touch with reality and false, than that's because the fundamental assumptions of feminism are as well.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 10:50 AM
1

No, If it's murder it should be illegal, with or without a written permission from the father.
/r/MensRights18/12/14 10:40 AM
6

5 years? Fuck 5 years, she mutilated a 3 year old kid!
/r/MensRights17/12/14 04:45 PM
4

What would you think if I said the same thing about women? The answer, of course, is: You do. No we fucking don't! You're the only ones saying this bigoted shit, and you're the only ones justifying it! For fucks sake!
/r/MensRights17/12/14 12:48 PM
1

So much blatant dishonesty in this article. As an example: Many marriages end in divorce, and though it’s difficult to nail down a precise statistic, about a third of divorces are initiated by women (PDF) You click the source she gives and...? The source directly contradicts her statement. I also love how there are vague references to the pay gap... without actually saying 'pay gap'. She knows everybody knows that the pay gap is bullshit by now.
/r/MensRights17/12/14 11:00 AM
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Well... it was a military school, so that part wasn't surprising. The one female teacher getting lit alight did get a special mention however.
/r/MensRights16/12/14 09:58 PM
2

"The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it." Right, everybody can see the stupidity of this mantra, but when it's about feminism and rape... all of a sudden...
/r/MensRights16/12/14 05:23 AM
5

These people man... they just don't care, do they?
/r/MensRights16/12/14 05:18 AM
2

You've dealt with them? That changes things... How? What happened?
/r/MensRights13/12/14 06:48 PM
2

I think I do, actually. They do (or did) give a shit, because this was 20 years ago. Do you have any reason for doubting their integrity other than the fact that they're communists?
/r/MensRights13/12/14 05:59 PM
1

Sight.. Men are both statistically stupider and smarter than women. And yes, men are also less apprehensive about their personal health... not at all surprising given their much more dangerous roles throughout history. Both of these factors explain quite well why men have a higher representation in the Darwin award.... but let's ignore all that so we can smear an entire gender once again.
/r/MensRights13/12/14 02:10 PM
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Meh...
/r/MensRights13/12/14 02:05 PM
2

The international communist league!
/r/MensRights13/12/14 01:59 PM
1

They're the international communist league... of course they're gonna advocate for the class system. Nothing about that makes them not-genuine.
/r/MensRights13/12/14 01:58 PM
1

Oh, I'm definitely left-leaning as well. The only reason I kinda consider TYT a 'lost cause' is because they probably won't adopt our viewpoint... because they don't care about gender. I realize that there is that perception that the MRM is right wing... but only because feminism is so closely tied to the left. The fact that we do accept right wing viewpoints as well as left wing viewpoints is probably used to further inflate that perception.
/r/MensRights12/12/14 12:18 AM
1

Matt Binder and Dillahunty are absolutely lost causes... I'm sorry, but that's just the case. TheYoungTurks...? Enh, Kinda are, kinda are not. I don't think they are very good on gender issues, but I also think that they're not very interested in gender issues, and because of that they'll never really refine their opinion that much. They'll always have a leftist /feminist view, but they will never go full McIntosh.
/r/MensRights11/12/14 11:04 PM
2

The duluth model, per example.
/r/MensRights11/12/14 01:30 PM
1

I'm of the opinion that both, women and men, have unique problems in society that needs to be addressed. And I'd agree with you. Nor do I see a problem with having a men's rights, and a women's rights arm of the equality movement. What I do have a problem with is 'feminism', the -ism, the ideology. Feminist theory, Patriarchy theory, rape culture, etc... Those are the things I take issue with because they are just plain wrong. Their interpretation of the world is wrong! This is not about who has…
/r/MensRights11/12/14 01:29 PM
1

The atheist experience is a lost cause. The fallout happened a long time ago over that Atheism+ bullshit. If you don't know, PZ Myers over at freethoughtblogs started proposing the infusion of Atheism+socialjustice/feminism. In coordination with that he started kicking popular bloggers (or anyone) disagreeing with that... or criticizing feminism (or him) off of freethoughtblogs, creating a huge split within the atheist movement and making the name "freethoughtblogs" a rather Orwellian descriptio…
/r/MensRights11/12/14 01:21 PM
1

I'd love to know the specifics of how GTA is exploiting women. Does it take money from them? Does it make them do unpaid labor? Are they not getting proper benefits? Just what the fuck is "this exploits women" supposed to mean? 'Oh, it kinda portrays women in a negative light', well that's not the fucking definition of 'exploitation' though, is it?
/r/MensRights11/12/14 02:47 AM
1

But not using the word, any word, means they win. Maybe, but on a different issue. Choose your battles. Gender politics is what they are about, if they lose on gender, they lose everywhere.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 10:59 PM
3

Look, personally, I'm fully aware that the word 'fag' doesn't invalidate any of the points he made. It doesn't even matter whether the guy is saying 'fag' because he's a bigot or because that's how you talk on 4chan.... What matters is that I cannot show this to any well meaning people who identify with SJWs because they haven't seen the madness yet. That 'fag' shit is gonna make people stop thinking.
/r/MensRights10/12/14 12:05 AM
8

Yes.. yes.. yes... but the minute one fag hangs himself... Aww, fuck!
/r/MensRights09/12/14 10:31 PM
2

How? How am I rationalizing?
/r/MensRights05/12/14 12:10 PM
1

Because drunk sex tends to not kill innocents?
/r/MensRights05/12/14 09:59 AM
2

You're rationalizing.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 08:55 AM
1

It's difficult to come up with a standard though, isn't it? Bill Cosby is the perfect example why. It's not a given that Bill Cosby did it. It's not a given that Bill Cosby didn't do it. We all agree, i think, that such cases shouldn't be fought out in the court of public opinion, yet I don't think ANY MRA is in a position to argue that the decisions of an actual court is the only judgement we should adhere to, given the examples you mentioned. There is no pretty solution.
/r/MensRights05/12/14 08:51 AM
2

I may or may not respond to the rest of your comment later, but for now... By the way, his father had PTSD. And he grew up in an abusive environment. Why do you think that's relevant?
/r/MensRights04/12/14 06:28 PM
2

Alright, I've slept a little, time for a real response. I'm not questioning that a person might freeze up when scared, though I don't think it's that closely tied to fight or flight. Nor do I think 'freezing up' works the same way feminists like to use it. Feminists like to use it to dismiss the possibility of consent being present. He/She didn't object at the time -> froze up in fear! Well, how convenient... In Shia LaBeoufs case: he didn't 'freeze up', he didn't want to interrupt his art piece…
/r/MensRights04/12/14 09:21 AM
0

Use nouns and verbs. Well, shit... alright, here we go: I don't deny freeze, was making fun of 'fight, flight or freeze'. Witnesses describing were lacking details Importance. Did intervene, rape takes time..... Fuck it, I give up.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 03:55 AM
2

And that is why queens found guilty of adultery ended up a head shorter. Though interesting to me, personally, I'm not sure this belongs here.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 03:49 AM
2

Tell me why I'm a feminist fighting for a man's rights, and you're the one who denies the truth in order to pretend nothing happened? Were you fucking brainwashed? Why would I pretend nothing happened in this case? Why? It fits the narrative I'm trying to convey, that yes, men do get raped as well, and yes, it's often enough women doing the raping. I'm questioning this because it's questionable.
/r/MensRights04/12/14 03:44 AM
2

I asked the police officer if I could file charges for false claims, but they said it would not be recommended because it would be bad for the children. How? How would that be worse than having thier family constantly harassed by anonymous false accusations?
/r/MensRights03/12/14 02:26 PM
2

come back after someone rapes you ...during an (uninterrupted) performance art piece with 2 people witnessing, but not intervening? Yeah, sure... if that happens to me, I'll come back to you.
/r/MensRights03/12/14 02:21 PM
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I've heard of fight or flight before... fight, flight or freeze seems to be made up by you. confirmed by two witnesses Two witnesses and none of them intervened... Two witnesses and still there is no prosecution happening. Think idiot, think!
/r/MensRights03/12/14 10:31 AM
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The scant response from “men’s rights activists”, supposed champions of male victims, seems to mainly revolve around how effeminate LaBeouf is for not fighting his attacker hard enough. No, our scant response has to do with us actually having principles. We're not just 'champions of male victims', we're champions of integrity as well. His story is sketchy as fuck, that's why we don't rally behind him. Him being male doesn't change that.
/r/MensRights03/12/14 06:20 AM
2

It's not. I checked.
/r/MensRights01/12/14 12:02 AM
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Uhm.. the scary part is... women who are drunk can consent. This is deliberate misinformation. I have a bunch of friends at Syracuse university, and I just found out that they actually believed that you cannot consent when drunk. When asked, they even considered it kinda unjust, so this wasn't even an ideological conviction. But they believed it, and I won't be surprised if that myth has caused quite a bunch of unintentionally false rape accusations.
/r/MensRights30/11/14 11:34 PM
4

Now that's how you fucking deal with online harassment!
/r/MensRights29/11/14 11:04 PM
0

Diamond rings are sexist. Not sexist as in 'bad', but sexist as in a representation of the traditional marriage contract. Also, they've been artificially pushed onto you as a standard by those peddling diamonds... fuck diamond rings!
/r/MensRights29/11/14 11:02 PM
2

Alright... points to her for consistency... But his story is still ridiculous.
/r/MensRights29/11/14 10:59 PM
4

Nicely done #Gamergate.
/r/MensRights29/11/14 10:53 PM
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I'm very, very skeptical of this dudes story...
/r/MensRights28/11/14 05:06 AM
1

Your friend doesn't have a very nuanced set of opinions. Not trying to be a dick, but it's true. All he does is state things, never does he ever actually present an argument or explain why he believes what he believes. Don't judge us by him.
/r/MensRights26/11/14 04:56 AM
2

We don't actually know that. OJ was never convicted either, are you willing to say he's innocent as well?
/r/MensRights26/11/14 04:47 AM
0

They aren't a faction of socialists, because every other socialist groups denounce them Which would make them a faction... Do you understand what words mean? They are reactionary as you and your friends. 'reactionary' one of your favorite buzzwords, is it? What if I told you that you are being the reactionary? I just don't want y'all to feel powerful Ähem... r/Mensrights: 101,000 subs r/feminism: 42,000 subs r/feminisms: 24,000 subs r/tumblrinaction: 142,000 subs r/shitredditsays: 58,000 subs ..…
/r/MensRights25/11/14 01:09 PM
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Socialism has a definition It has a couple actually, and they mostly concern themselves with the economy and organization of labor. Yes, there were strong feminist crossovers, but that doesn't make socialism feminist. You are not my comrade Uhm... No no no... You are not MY comrade<sup>bitch!</sup> the Socialism of Marx and Engels, is internationalist, secularist, multicultural and feminist. Karl Marx wasn't even an egalitarian. But hey, the fuck would I know? I'm just a German who majored his a…
/r/MensRights25/11/14 12:48 PM
0

Ok, ignoring the anti-feminist position in this case... Why they are abhorred within socialist circles? What are they known for, what are your main points of disagreement?
/r/MensRights25/11/14 12:36 PM
2

on huffpo? I wanne know the story behind that.
/r/MensRights25/11/14 04:57 AM
1

Except for WSWS... Oh what, are you the arbiter of what is and isn't socialism now? Fuck off!
/r/MensRights25/11/14 04:48 AM
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I'm quite aware that your faction of socialists probably disapproves of that particular faction of socialists. I don't care, dude.
/r/MensRights25/11/14 04:47 AM
0

We've got some socialists on our side now? That's fucking big. And excellent!
/r/MensRights24/11/14 04:19 PM
3

You'd think right? But I think serial rapists in particular rape because they like rape, not because they like sex.
/r/MensRights23/11/14 12:56 PM
2

Accept reality? Like making evolutionary psychology their basis for understanding the world of gender, rather than patriarchy theory.
/r/MensRights21/11/14 01:46 PM
3

I did. It was the only viewpoint available on gender, so I figured... I'm for equality, I guess that makes me a feminist. I was always annoyed with anti-male attitudes that were floating around, so I got in with a really niche crowd of sex-workers rights activists. Due to their exposure and dependence on it, their view of male sexuality is a lot more... friendly. I still have a certain amount of respect for these women.
/r/MensRights21/11/14 06:17 AM
1

You're right, I was mistaken. To explain: There was another one who pretty much did the same thing you did. At first glance it looked exactly the same. It's not. Sorry.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 08:48 PM
0

You're full of shit mate, this has been around forever. The fuck is wrong with you? Edit: Never mind...
/r/MensRights20/11/14 07:34 PM
3

You don't think money, good lawyers and the respect of the community would somewhat shield you from police? Don't you think someones respect and quite frankly usefulness to the industry would shield you from any repercussions there? It's possible, all I'm saying.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 05:37 PM
2

I'm curious to hear what you all think about this from a men's rights perspective. Is he being unfairly targeted? Or does he deserve this kind of media treatment? Well, that solely depends on whether or not he did it, doesn't it? Is it true? Who knows? The sheer number of women coming forward alone doesn't impress me. He was really famous. Even IF he is a serial rapist it wouldn't surprise me if at least some of them were lying. If he is a serial rapist however that high number of accusers isn't…
/r/MensRights20/11/14 04:00 PM
1

It was a joke at your expense. Here is what you do, laugh and if it still hurts, make a joke at hers and you're even. There is nothing wrong with a little teasing
/r/MensRights20/11/14 03:51 PM
2

He wasn't incoherent btw, just stupid.
/r/MensRights20/11/14 03:45 PM
2

Haha.. I love the video description THIS IS WHAT CIRCUMCISION DOES TO PEOPLE!
/r/MensRights20/11/14 03:44 PM
8

Positive coverage! The tag should be "Progress".
/r/MensRights20/11/14 03:42 PM
9

Women need a deeper pension age, because they have to assume many care tasks, such as herding the grandchildren or care for elderly parents. Jesus Christ, you're full of shit. We are ready to accept this proposal, but only if finally there is equal pay Well, since women do get equal pay, that means you are ready to accept this proposal?
/r/MensRights20/11/14 05:47 AM
3

I think people are inclined to be suspicious about her apology because she had a bigger part of it, and because she fits the image of a feminist ready to just outright lie for her cause like that. These are not good enough reasons however. The male actors had smaller parts in it than her, true, but they knew what was being filmed just as much as she did. They probably practiced together beforehand... not very much, but they did. They bullshitted all the male actors anyways, why wouldn't the same…
/r/MensRights19/11/14 03:54 PM
1

This is true progress, especially the media coverage about it.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 03:12 PM
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If you can't be bothered to find it then I can't be bothered to believe you. How about you find it then, eh? Especially since: But regardless, it's been legal for decades. Fucking stick to your own words and find the link then!
/r/MensRights19/11/14 03:09 PM
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Responding to the title alone, Women aren't the same as feminism. If you were to say that they're claiming to represent women and are doing a piss poor job at that... I'd agree.
/r/MensRights19/11/14 03:03 PM
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A Better, More Informed Men's Rights Movement Sight... everybody assumes that we're just not informed enough. It's completely inconceivable that maybe we have very good reasons to be anti-feminist, is it? But too often I see this sub as being anti-feminism as opposed to pro-mens issues. looking at men’s rights and women’s rights as a dichotomy ignores reality Well, sometimes it's a bit of a dichotomy (paternity issues per example), but usually it's not. But that's not why we're anti-feminist. I'…
/r/MensRights16/11/14 11:38 PM
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Jesus dude... ACTION ALERT! Mangina Patrick Blanchfield... You sound silly, you know that?
/r/MensRights16/11/14 10:53 PM
3

If your dad asks: Who would do that too a girl? Ask back: Who threatens a 14 year old kid with violence for expressing his opinion?
/r/MensRights16/11/14 01:42 PM
1

This is not appropriate behavior for parents.
/r/MensRights16/11/14 01:42 PM
2

I'd advise you to not shit on the woman, schadenfreude is misplaced here. It's not her fault men largely got fucked over, and she doesn't deserve getting fucked over in this case neither...
/r/MensRights16/11/14 08:38 AM
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Apparently, we need yet another reminder of why anti-feminist rhetoric like this needs to end. Calls for people who are not them to shut up.. how typical. Anyways, this is probably a good thing. It draws attention to the fact that a bunch of people took a shit on 'feminism' in that poll.
/r/MensRights16/11/14 08:23 AM
1

mhm
/r/MensRights15/11/14 08:51 AM
13

He looks socially inept to small group of the most idiotic and fanatic among the SJWs. No one normal gives a shit.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 11:44 PM
1

whilst crying?
/r/MensRights14/11/14 11:42 PM
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Posted by: Zuleyka Zevallos an applied sociologist Not an astronomer.... Written by: Emilio M. Bruna, Professor of Tropical Ecology and Latin American Studies Also not anywhere near astronomy You're full of shit.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 11:41 PM
1

You think a conservative gives a shit? Besides, you don't think liberal guys are into anime guns?
/r/MensRights14/11/14 10:39 PM
6

I'll believe it once I'll see it.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 10:37 PM
2

Yes, we're largely anti-feminists! Someone's a bit late to the party, eh?
/r/MensRights14/11/14 07:16 PM
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Matt Taylor probably sees himself as a liberal guy, which is why being attacked by the left really hit home for him. He doesn't understand what's happening.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 07:12 PM
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But the shirt has divided opinion, with many women in the science community accusing Dr Taylor of sexism. Oh, fuck off! No they didn't, you people did!
/r/MensRights14/11/14 07:11 PM
2

You know, the fact that places like this one linked to it might've something to do with the feminism getting 'banned' as a word.
/r/MensRights14/11/14 07:08 PM
3

I've been paying attention for a 1-2 years now I guess... Are we making progress in terms of legislation? Not really. But we are making progress interms of shifting actual attitudes, shifting the conversation and organizing/establishing the movement. All pre-requisites to actual legislative changes.
/r/MensRights10/11/14 05:13 AM
2

You know.. yes, some suffragettes at the time where white feather activists... Doesn't mean you can say: White feather girls = The feminist movement.
/r/MensRights10/11/14 05:09 AM
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Boat Filled With ‘feminists’ Tragically Doesn’t Sink. Nevermind the typo, I wonder what these people would think about a headline like that? Would they call the police?
/r/MensRights07/11/14 01:38 PM
15

The joke seems to be on feminism and their double standards...
/r/MensRights04/11/14 12:11 PM
1

Here we go. Otherwise, If you look at the top of this page, you'll see the tab 'other discussions' and a number behind it.
/r/MensRights04/11/14 06:11 AM
1

ups..
/r/MensRights04/11/14 06:10 AM
1

Idungetit.jpg
/r/MensRights03/11/14 06:20 PM
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If you want to have a laugh, head over to this very discussion on it in Twoxchromosomes. They're all shunning her, haha. She has fallen from grace.
/r/MensRights03/11/14 06:19 PM
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What I have to say is... what Lena Dunham did is innocent. Who the fuck cares if 7-12 year olds get curious like that, even if it makes us adults uncomfortable. What I want to say is... MUHAHAHAHHA how the fuck do you like it, BITCH? It's not that fucking funny having your words twisted into something malicious, is it?
/r/MensRights03/11/14 06:15 PM
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I wouldn't be surprised if the guy sending the threat from a feminist. Doesn't have to be someone directly connected to Anita, just someone sympathetic to her. I don't really have evidence, but I have reasons to suspect. 1) It's in Anita's interest, because her own supposed victimization and by extension the victimization of women in general is all her media presence is based on. 2) This shit isn't exactly out of character for feminists. 3) The threat itself mentioned Marc Lepine. Who the fuck c…
/r/MensRights01/11/14 07:37 AM
1

You probably don't know that much about Paul either then...
/r/MensRights01/11/14 06:29 AM
1

Well, your comment was quite reasonable and not offensive at all... not even to feminists I'd think. They probably looked at your record, which is full of RedPill stuff. I myself am doubting your feminism-creds a little, tbh.
/r/MensRights01/11/14 06:28 AM
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"You've been the object of criticism as well" "Yes" "What happened at Utah State University?" Oh Jesus Christ! Yes, that's all the criticism she's gotten! Just a couple of nut-jobs threatening her, there has never been any valid criticisms of her points!
/r/MensRights01/11/14 06:14 AM
1

I don't really see the relevance here. Funny, sure, but not relevant.
/r/MensRights31/10/14 02:04 PM
3

Right..they're only racist if they're wrong. It's also not racist to say that black communities have higher crime rates than white communities. It would be racist to ignore the circumstances causing those differences... but not pointing the differences out themselves.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:55 PM
2

right, one person with about a 100 upvotes. So at least a 100 people who think that.
/r/MensRights29/10/14 03:55 PM
1

She managed to sue him even though she wasn't actually pregnant? And that's something you can sue someone for? Were they married?
/r/MensRights27/10/14 04:48 AM
1

Really? What's his story? How did he get fucked up?
/r/MensRights26/10/14 11:52 PM
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In the right hands, it IS a great prank. I'd trust my girlfriend completely with something like that, and if she'd pull that on me, we'd laugh over it for a while... The problem is the potential for abuse. In the wrong hands, this is a problem.
/r/MensRights26/10/14 07:50 PM
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Her 'solutions' are all still kinda just things that annoy her about men: "1)Don't be so violent! 2)Whats so bad about being called 'pussy whipped'? 3)Don't be so sexually predatory! 4) Be more emotionally open! 5) Stop being homophobic!" She's framing those things as expectations damaging us men, and there might be some truth to that, but it's still just a list of demands. If that was real compassion, she wouldn't just tackle things that all happen to also negatively affect women.
/r/MensRights24/10/14 02:58 PM
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2. Be a good husband/partner/lover — but don’t care too much what women think. This one falls squarely into the category of “not just insanely rigid but logically contradictory” You know Greta, it is possible to be good, even a good partner/husband without being subservient to women. Not your thing, I know, but it is possible.
/r/MensRights24/10/14 02:36 PM
1

Sight, never mind... I did a quick search and it seemed always the other way around. I must've falsely associated them that way because they always showed up in that context - except on the wrong side!
/r/MensRights21/10/14 03:10 AM
1

right...
/r/MensRights21/10/14 03:05 AM
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Aye, that does sound like a very productive way of spending resources.
/r/MensRights20/10/14 09:39 PM
2

And they're waging a war on their fellow women because...?
/r/MensRights20/10/14 09:38 PM
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As the article stated, the research is crystal clear on how fatherless households are strongly associated with screwed up kids. I've got to ask though.. is it because the father isn't in the picture or is it because the home is broken and less time and resources are available for the kids because of it? Are you that certain that it wouldn't be the same if sole custody would be with the father we wouldn't get similar results? I can see how in an (ex-) couple that works well together 50/50 parenti…
/r/MensRights20/10/14 08:17 PM
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And what about conservative women trying to outlaw abortion? There are plenty, I know many of them personally. And quite honestly, Pro-choice people are winning. Which I'm happy about btw, but Pro-life didn't start this war, pro-choice did. And they've been mercilessly pounding Pro-life into the ground so far. Abortion used to be illegal, and now pro-life is relegated to maybe throwing up some petty road blocks in this state or that state, or being downright horrific to some of the women about t…
/r/MensRights20/10/14 08:13 PM
1

They have been and are opposing feminists when it comes to the right of a decent defense against sexual allegations. If they sided with feminists on this issue, than they did so for their own reasons.
/r/MensRights20/10/14 08:01 PM
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"no articles that you can write without leaving your room" If that is the requirement then I do not understand how this article was submitted in the first place. This is true for most of the articles I've seen on this site so I'm pretty certain it's an unenforced rule at this point. I'd go ahead and submit a critique. I think a straight forward slam of their argumentation would be best. It's up to the editors whether or not they want to allow your responding opinion piece.
/r/MensRights20/10/14 07:46 PM
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I seriously love how right after that comes: MRAs If you’re not convinced that misandry isn’t a real thing, these guys are your new best friends. Yes... I couldn't have said it better myself. It is a very bad Idea for feminists to draw clearly defined lines around ideological believes like that. Once you do that, it becomes rather obvious who the stupid one is.
/r/MensRights20/10/14 06:39 PM
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Quite honestly, do something satirical if you have to. The writing style is simplistic and condescending, and might be a net gain for us and a net loss for them in terms of credibility.
/r/MensRights20/10/14 03:00 PM
1

Ana is being the saving grace of TYT on anything related to gender. As usual.
/r/MensRights19/10/14 10:25 PM
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I think it is necessary for us to go with the most charitable definition we can think of: "The movement for equality among men and women.... ...based on the premise that women are being oppressed" Now, the part I highlighted is the part they usually just imply and not mention, shielding that part from scrutiny.
/r/MensRights06/10/14 03:07 PM
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meh... what are they gonna do? not smear us?
/r/MensRights04/10/14 03:25 AM
1

I was gonna chide you for your gramma... but then I clicked the link... o_0
/r/MensRights02/10/14 03:50 PM
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It's how every ideology/religious world view works.
/r/MensRights30/09/14 02:37 AM
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Naa, I'm just being critical of the two friends of yours who genuinely seem to think you're somehow responsible for another teams teamname... It confirms their narrative, so logic be dammed.
/r/MensRights30/09/14 02:29 AM
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If it confirms the narrative, it is true. Typical.
/r/MensRights29/09/14 03:30 PM
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Most of their arguments about custody battles or circumcision or “false” rape accusations can easily be discredited. Curious however that your side never seems to bother doing so...
/r/MensRights26/09/14 05:13 AM
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Or, why it is very, very stupid to compare Hope Solo to Ray Rice. Yes, comparing a man defending himself from an assault to a woman actively and repeatedly assaulting her partner is very stupid. But not for the reason you think it is.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 03:29 PM
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Anyone doing anything bad is an MRA, obviously.
/r/MensRights23/09/14 04:53 AM
1

False as fuck. You don't think a consisting voting block of 2000 that just happens to fit their caricature of MRA's doesn't seem suspicious to you? The general consensus of this sub appears to be rather liberal, to me. But conservatives certainly exist and aren't shunned here. And I think that's perfectly healthy. Btw, I will not begrudge feminists because one rouge dickhead went ahead and votebotted the survey, but to all those that picked it up and ran with it... you're either maliciously lyin…
/r/MensRights21/09/14 07:17 PM
1

You're gonna miss out on a lot of good tv if politics is going to be your standard... Also, a single actor out of a whole cast + writers and producers etc isn't enough to make my boycott a series.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 07:10 PM
1

I'm amused, to be honest. This isn't 'Boys = Dogs' This is 'What if Teens = Dogs?' Totally inoffensive and innocent imo.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 06:57 PM
1

Men’s Rights Activists: The hate group society allows Bam. We have mainstream credibility now.
/r/MensRights21/09/14 09:41 AM
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"Listen & Believe..." Jesus Christ... I remember a creationist poster once going: "The Bible said it, I believe it, that settles it!" These people are anti critical thought.
/r/MensRights16/09/14 04:35 AM
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Well, sexually abused =/= Raped. So if they say: "1 in 5 women have been sexually assaulted during their time in college" it becomes reasonable once you consider what counts as 'sexually assaulted'. Someone uninvited smacks your butt? BAM you're a statistic now! If there is a statistic saying 1 in 6 boys were abused, look at what they count as 'Abuse'.
/r/MensRights12/09/14 03:40 PM
1

Relation? Look, I don't think it's a good idea for r/mensrights to take a stance on these issues.
/r/MensRights05/09/14 04:19 PM
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It's not just a men vs. womens double standard in this case. I mean, whenever Britney Spears pussy flashes the Camera, whenever Emma Watson had a wardrobe malfunction, whenever Kim Kardashian or Paris Hilton had a porntape leaked... did the media rally to their defense? Or did they excitedly told us about it? And in a way, aren't they excitedly telling us about the fappening right now? They're sensationalists and will run in whatever direction the momentum goes. Feminists decided to throw a hiss…
/r/MensRights05/09/14 04:32 AM
1

Clearly, yeah. But we're the sexists!
/r/MensRights05/09/14 04:22 AM
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A shift in the conversation. If you want to have one about gender, men's voices matter as well.
/r/MensRights04/09/14 04:36 AM
1

You're an idiot. If someone's clothes tear because I'm grabbing them to pull them closer so I can hit their face better... of course it isn't sexual! For fucks sake!
/r/MensRights03/09/14 06:11 AM
1

Last time I checked she assaulted the kid, not sexually assaulted him. The tearing his shirt off and putting her fingers in his mouth wasn't sexual, just aggressive. Don't twist the facts!
/r/MensRights02/09/14 03:05 PM
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Well, I think your view of MGTOWs is a little odd. I'd consider myself one, but I understand it very differently. In no way do I understand MGTOWs as: Fuck women! I'm in a very happy relationship with a wonderful woman, I think my mother is a lovely person as are most of the women in my life. They all have their faults, but that's only human. All 'MGTOW' means to me is that women aren't faultless goddesses, and that they do not necessarily deserve my support just for being women. If I choose to …
/r/MensRights01/09/14 07:38 PM
2

Monetary? Wasn't that leaked to 4chan?
/r/MensRights01/09/14 07:09 PM
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Oh, I'd laugh and laugh if it turns out to be a woman... but... It was probably a man. The demographic of 4chan and reddit is mostly male, the demographic of 'hackers' is mostly male and the demographic of people interested in nude female celebrity pictures is mostly male. We don't know the identity, but let's not fucking kid ourselves: The hacker was probably male.
/r/MensRights01/09/14 07:09 PM
3

You want me to see... the rapist? Is that a threat? Sexism! Misandry! Matriarchy!
/r/MensRights31/08/14 10:14 AM
4

Everyone is wondering why 2X is a default sub, even the community of 2X.
/r/MensRights29/08/14 03:16 PM
1

EA and Ubisoft don't give a fuck, period. They don't have to.
/r/MensRights29/08/14 04:16 AM
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True, but only those that do care matter. Those that don't are of no use to feminists either.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 03:28 PM
1

Are we not in the process of winning right now? I can hear the damm cracking all around us! You're tired of it? Take a break. Do something else, we'll be fine. I know this must feel like there is no progress happening when you're here in the trenches, but it is happening, and if and when you'll return a few month down the road, I don't think you'll recognize the climate anymore so much will have happened!
/r/MensRights28/08/14 03:27 PM
2

Dude... NSFW tag?
/r/MensRights28/08/14 03:13 PM
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You've already kinda said it, but all this anger isn't just about Zoe Quinn. It's pent up anger over sarkeesian and the general behavior of SJW and them trying to cram feminism down everyone's throat.
/r/MensRights28/08/14 03:11 PM
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And any outsider looking at this just thinks gamers come across as bitter, angry children who take the internet too seriously. Who isn't a gamer nowadays though? Maybe the majority, but the majority of young people are gamers!
/r/MensRights28/08/14 03:06 PM
1

yup...
/r/MensRights28/08/14 11:49 AM
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there is also this though...
/r/MensRights28/08/14 04:22 AM
2

The US draft began in 1861 at the start of the Civil War. This of course was nearly 100 years after men first started voting in the US. This is such bullshit, because: Originally the only voters were primarily wealthy white landowning men, In other words, only the ruling class had the vote. This is not 'Men voting', the vast... the overwhelming majority of men didn't have the vote!! You fucking LIAR! But even at the start of the draft, there was no law prohibiting elderly and infirm men from vot…
/r/MensRights27/08/14 10:36 PM
1

Hey, if this is how you see your job than this is probably how you are. But you're right, if this is how you're supposed to be than it's weird that you're getting called out for it. Unless... did the people you're in charge of review you? I can see why they might disagree...
/r/MensRights27/08/14 09:08 PM
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Now a nice follow up would be to see if these women actually are more abrasive than their male counterparts. Only if we can rule out womens behavior as a cause for the different reviews they're getting should there be a call for change. And this was neglected here...
/r/MensRights27/08/14 01:47 PM
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Stop being a dick. An account that went unused for 6 months to then suddenly start commenting is always suspicious. Edit: Especially in a sub as heavily trolled as this one...
/r/MensRights23/08/14 02:59 PM
1

You met all the requirements, don't worry. We just get trolled a lot, so please forgive my suspicion.
/r/MensRights23/08/14 07:08 AM
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I'm sorry this is necessary but I have some doubts... This is a six months old account that just now started with this very post. No previous activity over six months, not even comments, only this one story that happens to fit perfectly into the MRM's narrative... What up?
/r/MensRights23/08/14 06:01 AM
2

Well.. the thing with 'date rape' is that some of you are calling drunken sex 'date rape'. Meaning men are getting date raped, all the time.
/r/MensRights23/08/14 04:30 AM
1

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to split up gender activism into a man and woman arm of it. Women and men face different issues. We are about equality, but we do not claim to be the sole authority on it. We are the mens side of the equation. Hopefully feminism will either become sane or be replaced with the womens version of us one day.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 10:58 PM
1

Oh yeah, we're spoiled as fuck about it, too... I once kicked an informationstand out of frustration over missing a bus that comes every 5 minutes.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 08:45 PM
2

I know.. I know... Sorry if I'm derailing a bit.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:57 PM
1

Oh, I definitely have... but I live in germany... and I have no clue if they are single or not.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:57 PM
2

Right, that was in 1991, 23 years ago whilst he was in college. He clearly changed his mind, because I've heard him acknowledge the genocide plenty of times and even admonishing Erdogan for not doing so.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:56 PM
1

thanks
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:50 PM
1

Can you source that?
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:39 PM
2

Uhm.. yes he does... He absolutely acknowledges the Armenian genocide.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:29 PM
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Me neither... and that's the point.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:25 PM
1

He told me about how she holds sex against him, makes outragous demands about spending all the time with her and flat out flirted and touched other men nearly daring them to touch her at parties right infront of him, And the best part, making him chose between her or our family and his God daughter saying we are not his family and do not deserve to have us around him. Shit, it's like you're talking about a mate of mine. His girlfriend wasn't a feminist, but basically the same thing happened to h…
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:16 PM
2

It's not a thing do get up for a father and his child though, is it?
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:01 PM
1

This make more sense I guess...
/r/MensRights22/08/14 07:00 PM
3

You are absolutely biased... we all are, there is no way around it. Anyways, I think it's important to differentiate physical and social power. Women have social power, men have physical power, both can be abused. I'd argue that the reason we are disgusted by men beating women and not the other-way around is the gender empathy gap. Yes, severity of abuse is an important factor to consider... but male abuse isn't necessarily more sever just because the man is stronger. If it really was about seve…
/r/MensRights22/08/14 06:56 PM
2

Within reason, yes. I mean... I'm not gonna give my seat up for a mother. You're pregnancy ended 2 years ago, you can stand as well as I can.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 06:46 PM
1

Look, I don't know what your relationship is like. I don't know how much you put in, I don't know how much he does... All I have is your description of it. It depends on how much he actually busts his ass on the work he does at home I'd say, but no one here is a good judge of that.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 06:39 PM
2

"The voices of China's workers" is pretty good actually... Changed my view of Capitalism quite a bit.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 06:27 PM
1

That was some exceptional stupidity on display here... The MRA is an extremely dangerous antiwoman movement... Yes, the MRA... not the MRM.
/r/MensRights22/08/14 06:25 PM
1

That's terrifying...
/r/MensRights22/08/14 05:54 PM
1

Oh, dude, don't worry. I'm an atheist and wasn't offended. I just like swearing every once in a while.
/r/MensRights21/08/14 03:53 AM
1

Good thing you did tell your CEO... If you knew her to be a reasonable person than that choice made more sense. I'm glad this worked out for you. I'd urge you to still go to the police though. Assault is a crime, not a problem with work ethics.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 04:14 PM
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Well, most women aren't crazy or mean spirited. I've been in a relationship for about a year now and it's fucking fine... Watch out for crazy, set up and enforce your boundaries, have some god damn self-worth and you'll be alright.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 04:05 PM
1

In my mind, if religion has caused countless wars and homicides, is it really worth debating? Wrong fucking approach. How an ideology makes people act has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it's true. It's not, but that should be your primary issue with religion if you care about reality. And I have to defend religion a little bit. It enabled wars and homicides (and genocides), yes, but it was also a way for one society to define itself against another. And it was more than just a mythical …
/r/MensRights20/08/14 04:00 PM
2

Keep trying. Most discussions with feminists go this way. "You're so wrong, it's not necessary for me to explain how and why you are wrong." - This sentiment is so often the sum of feminist argumentation. Keep trying anyways. And keep pointing towards the fact that they don't really seem to have an argument, they're just covering for it with an air of smug superiority. Keep pointing at the holes in their heads so all can see.
/r/MensRights20/08/14 03:49 PM
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The opening lines of "The Men's Rights Movement Misunderstands Feminism" After forcing myself to read the entirety of the Vice article “Women of the Men’s Right’s Movement,” my brain is bubbling with so much anger and fury, I think it may just explode. First sentence in and we already have our first glaring problem. You're a feminist responding to a feminist article about the MRM. You're not actually responding to the MRM. Don't you think some information could be lost there?
/r/MensRights19/08/14 08:42 PM
3

Well, there is no doubt that his case is fishy as fuck... I wouldn't just go ahead and call him 'falsely accused'. We don't really know that, do we?
/r/MensRights19/08/14 08:59 AM
1

I wouldn't be too quick to judge... This was a reality for men not fighting, and there is nothing wrong with looking at that situation with a little humor. Is it misandric? Maybe, but I can't tell yet.
/r/MensRights19/08/14 08:39 AM
4

Another indicator would be the viciousness with which they slander us. It has gone down considerably. As we gain legitimacy, the more blatantly they slander us, the more they look like illegitimate hacks.
/r/MensRights18/08/14 09:23 AM
5

I am done with you then. Of course you are.
/r/MensRights18/08/14 09:20 AM
1

I'm a liberal, too. And I think most of the people here are liberals. I'd call this an inner liberal revolution coupled with a very healthy dialogue with moderate conservatives. I'd strongly advise you not to build your identity around allegiance to one particular worldview, though. Once you do that, every attack on what you believe will feel like an attack on you. That's how you become close minded. Instead, build your identity on intellectual honesty, or something like that.
/r/MensRights17/08/14 05:13 PM
3

Return of kings...
/r/MensRights13/08/14 08:38 AM
2

Present MRM opinions and none of their arguments whilst underplaying the whole thing with a silly soundtrack indicating that they're wrong. Why are they wrong? --> Silly Soundtrack. It's manipulative...
/r/MensRights12/08/14 07:18 AM
1

Yup, I'm much happier with that.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 11:52 AM
1

Dude, they're supposed to be journalists. touché Yes of course it's ideology that's the problem here, but we can't just fire them and replace them with proponents of our own ideology. Especially not when they actually do seem to extend an olive branch into our direction.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 11:50 AM
15

Enh, I gotta ask. If you willingly do something (granted with 17) can it really be called rape? Yes, statutory rape maybe, but I really wouldn't put it on par with violent rape.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 05:50 AM
3

Actually, you do. Advocacy is what we do here. And if they're reasonable, you've got to reason.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 04:42 AM
1

It is more complicated than that, yes. My view is that no gender has oppressed the other, society has simply assigned rights and responsibilities (gender roles) to each gender in a way that made society work. Advantaging or disadvantaging one gender or the other was never the point, the point was to survive and to prosper. Different societies were very much subject to social evolution in this regard. Societies whose gender roles where inefficient simply vanished. What some would call 'Patriarchy…
/r/MensRights11/08/14 01:02 AM
2

Yes, all trolls are men and never has there ever been a feminist harrassing anyone... ::rollseyes::
/r/MensRights11/08/14 12:36 AM
4

Troll =/= someone you with a different opinion than you.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 12:35 AM
3

I wouldn't say NPR is 'doubling down'. They're disagreeing politely, and they get to do that. It's up to us to convince them.
/r/MensRights11/08/14 12:26 AM
1

Who got his ass kicked here? Paul Elam didn't end up looking good if you ask me.
/r/MensRights10/08/14 08:00 PM
0

Yeah... You chose the wrong type of girls. Choose more carefully next time. And no, that doesn't mean your girlfriends are any less in the wrong. Now please get off my /r/mensrights you fucking troll.
/r/MensRights08/08/14 07:38 AM
4

Right here, however, do you understand why your 2 day old account might lead me to not trust you enough to reveal anything else about myself?
/r/MensRights06/08/14 08:30 PM
1

Look.. mate.. You can stop arguing with me, I agree.
/r/MensRights06/08/14 08:07 PM
1

Oh..yeah... with 'right' I meant 2 different things here. with And sadly, she's right. I meant legally. The law defines male rape victims out of existence. That's why sadly she's right. I never said she was right I meant the morality of it. Of course it's not cool to rape a guy.
/r/MensRights05/08/14 01:56 PM
2

I never said she was right... I was talking about how the law is written and how it should be changed.
/r/MensRights05/08/14 07:03 AM
3

Yeah, I intended to draw attention to the faulty legal definition of 'rape'. (since it's not a crime, if you're a woman)? I won't go that far, it's still a crime if you're a woman (sexual assault), when it's taken seriously at least, it just isn't legally defined as rape.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 10:05 PM
2

The failings of feminism have nothing to do with your extremist outliers in the same way that the failings of Christianity have nothing to do with the westboro babtist church.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 04:47 PM
3

hey, it's progress...
/r/MensRights04/08/14 04:44 PM
1

Surprisingly good for vice. Clearly not that much in our favor, but definitely fair.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 04:44 PM
1

And? Men are only just now popping up left and right as well, only after anti-feminism has reached the tipping point. That is how movements work.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 02:37 PM
1

Mate, you're assuming the worst.
/r/MensRights04/08/14 05:52 AM
-13

And sadly, she's right. Edit: Sight.. r/Mensright, it really is legally impossible for a woman to rape a guy. I'm not saying that it should be that way... Edit2: Jesus Christ people I was talking about how the law specifically excludes female on male rape, enough with the moral argumentation already!
/r/MensRights04/08/14 05:48 AM
-1

Matt Binder, Paul Elam.... This is how you do it.
/r/MensRights03/08/14 11:48 PM
1

she came across like... mensrights version of a TERF on this one. No, I really don't think so. I think she was downright accepting towards those people, and towards them transitioning, she just rejected the common liberal framing and phraseology (like calling it a third gender). I think the reason so many (including me) cringed at that is because accepting that liberal framing is usually seen as one and the same as acceptance of trans-people. Unfairly it seems.
/r/MensRights03/08/14 11:47 PM
1

I cringed a little, too, but she isn't being hateful. In fact, she's downright accepting of transpeople, just not accepting of the common liberal framing around the issue. And I think that's acceptable, she does kinda represent the more traditionalist arm of the MRM if you ask me. And I think they have a place, too.
/r/MensRights03/08/14 11:42 PM
7

What you are seeing is an underlying assumption, that is actually infuriating, being discarded. Don't get mad, this is progress.
/r/MensRights03/08/14 11:31 PM
14

Ideology can make people do funny things...
/r/MensRights03/08/14 11:08 PM
8

Look, I commend your enthusiasm, but this just ain't gonna happen this way.
/r/MensRights03/08/14 10:34 PM
6

Meh...
/r/MensRights03/08/14 03:52 PM
2

Well.. since you didn't actually have intercourse against your will, you weren't raped. Good thing you left when you did, though.
/r/MensRights02/08/14 08:26 PM
3

Not really... Even in the US circumcisions aren't necessarily performed by medical professionals but by Jewish clerics. And If you look outside of the us it's quite often a religious procedure, not a medical one. But I also don't accept that argument, just because the guy that saws off your arm for no reason applies anesthetics and disinfects the wounds doesn't mean he's not mutilating you. Would FGM suddenly become circumcision ones it's done by a medical staff?
/r/MensRights31/07/14 10:07 PM
3

Yeah... the Y-chromosome is loosing genetic material because it's slowly shedding the unessentials already covered by the X-chromosome. In other words, only already inactive genes are being lost. But that wouldn't be a 'fun' headline, would it?
/r/MensRights31/07/14 09:12 PM
0

Fine, let's accept the premise that FGM is much much worse than MGM... in many cases it probably is. Is chopping someones finger off not a form of Mutilation just because chopping someones arm of is? Both are cases of mutilation, even if one is more severe than the other. Why is that so difficult to accept when it comes to circumcision?
/r/MensRights31/07/14 07:29 PM
1

It's not gonna work.
/r/MensRights30/07/14 10:31 AM
9

Yeah, I wish they'd stop doing those little white lies. Just keep the actual founder anonymous and have Janet jump as a representative... why open yourself up to criticism that way?
/r/MensRights30/07/14 08:11 AM
2

Booom... I liked Whoopi as a kid, starting to love her now.
/r/MensRights29/07/14 01:22 PM
2

Oh, I agree, but whatja gonna do? I would be against any attempt to rebrand on this basis... Again, total agreement. What I mean is.. make your positions clear, then take on the label. People literally seem to think that MRAs are against abortion per example... And these people are gonna stop listening the moment you call yourself that. If you make clear what you stand for and associate 'MRA' with that then, then you can actually correct this misconception.
/r/MensRights29/07/14 01:14 PM
2

Well, I've personally came out as an anti-feminist first. My girlfriend calls herself a feminist because that's what everybody does... but in reality doesn't really give that much of a shit either way. So we're fine. Her friends however are a bit more hard-line and I got into a discussion with her on facebook. She per example believes that drunken sex is legally considered rape... not that it should be considered rape by law, she thinks that it is considered rape. She probably isn't gonna respon…
/r/MensRights29/07/14 08:58 AM
2

I agree, but what are we gonna do? It's a completely different country.
/r/MensRights29/07/14 08:41 AM
1

Same here... It's too bad, I was actually looking forwards to their commentary on WAF.
/r/MensRights29/07/14 01:25 AM
1

/r/femradebates is heavily moderated. They don't moderate opinions, but civility. I know people here don't like that, but given the antagonism between mra s and feminists it absolutely makes sense. It's not a place where you can go and 'battle' with feminists, it's a place where you can sit down and discuss your differences over a friendly cup of tea. Don't get me wrong, I do see the value in antagonism against feminism, but a polite exchange like that also has it's place.
/r/MensRights28/07/14 06:21 PM
3

I am.
/r/MensRights27/07/14 04:40 AM
1

that was... Just straight up porn.
/r/MensRights27/07/14 04:33 AM
1

I'm not sure that's relevant.
/r/MensRights26/07/14 08:49 AM
11

You know.. if you are married to someone, you owe him to try and make it work, and work for him, too. If you were just dating he could just walk away. But if you are married he can't. He tied himself financially to you, you owe him. Not just sex, but an honest interest in his emotional well being and yes, his sexual fulfillment. He owes you, too, btw. Now that said... Creating a spreadsheet and using it as an accusatory tool probably isn't the best way to solve your marital problems.
/r/MensRights24/07/14 08:03 PM
1

In my very first comment I wrote: He should've pressed charges. And I reinforced that sentiment several times... You're being an obnoxious twat.
/r/MensRights24/07/14 06:17 PM
1

Dude... does it matter?
/r/MensRights24/07/14 04:39 PM
1

I didn't say, 'good', I said good natured. A father spoiling his kids isn't 'good'. Now you can sit that father down and explain to him the value boundaries... but you can hardly hate him.
/r/MensRights24/07/14 04:08 PM
1

I'm not applauding him. It's just that he seems like a big, good natured, bear who wouldn't punish anyone even if he ought too. But yeah, there are several selfish reasons to not sue.
/r/MensRights24/07/14 10:55 AM
1

I know, I know..
/r/MensRights24/07/14 10:53 AM
1

it's in pretty poor taste It's not. You just don't like it because it's us. I don't follow Sure you don't. no, it matters if you're trying to discourage them Is there anyone out there not trying to discourage rapists? expecting something implies fault if they don't comply If someone fails to lock their bike and it gets stolen, insurance companies wouldn't pay for the damages. Why is that? In no way does that transfer guilt from the thief onto the victim... but you are expected to protect your ow…
/r/MensRights23/07/14 11:41 PM
1

It's interesting how fascinated feminists are with this. It's gotta dawn on at least some of them in the process of this drama that feminism =/= women.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 09:39 PM
52

He should've pressed charges. But he was probably too good a guy.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 09:31 PM
0

Right... Even if you think I'm wrong, I've just openly explained to to you what I believe and why I believe it, I really tried to have a constructive debate here. And how have you responded? You don't care about what's real and what isn't.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 08:41 PM
1

Why would you do that? To provoke a discussion? Oh come on... you, the feminist, are gonna give me shit about our provocation? That's like Christians complaining about other faiths evangelizing. I think rapists have a bit more agency than polar bears Look, dude... You're deliberately misframing my arguments again. If that's how you're gonna play, why do you even bother coming here? What do you get out of this? A rapist might have more agency than a polar bear, but that doesn't really matter if o…
/r/MensRights23/07/14 08:16 PM
0

Yawwn... We're just misogynistic nutjobs that don't really understand feminism, lalalalala you can't hear me... I got it, you don't really care.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 08:03 PM
1

You don't think helping people spot violent situation and steer clear of them, is a good Idea? I mean... never mind whose behavior is the problem... Whose behavior can we actually influence? Take this scenario: A Polar bear is on the loose somewhere in a town of Alaska (this actually is a problem). It's clearly the polar bear that's the problem, doesn't mean you don't warn people about it... And I see violent crime kinda like that polar bear... we can minimize it quite a bit nowadays, it's not a…
/r/MensRights23/07/14 12:10 PM
1

a campaign wasn't started to try to teach young people how to identify signs of violent behavior or to teach them the risks of going to clubs or some other absurd stuff. Wouldn't such a campaign be sensible though?
/r/MensRights23/07/14 10:26 AM
1

I actually don't. I just expect women to know that stuff... since most adults should know that stuff. And I don't see how expecting people to be in charge of their own safety is victim blaming. You wouldn't call a campaign educating young men on how to avoid street violence 'victim blaming', would you?
/r/MensRights23/07/14 09:57 AM
1

Alright, you're persistent, gotta believe that's somewhat genuine... If I tell someone: "Skydiving does have a few risks" Am I telling them not to do it? No. We all understand that the people going skydiving are willing to take on that risk for the sake of fun. We all understand that it is their choice to make. If I warn them of the possible risks of their hobby, we all understand that I'm not telling them not to do it, simply to be aware of it when they make their choice. Why then when I do the…
/r/MensRights23/07/14 08:35 AM
1

Do the words 'fuck' and 'off' have a different meaning where you come from? You can talk to me once you've demonstrated some good faith in your argumentation, until then -> go hump a porcupine.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 01:03 AM
1

Enh, not the wrong comment, but I was having a different conversation with someone else.. sorry, my bad. Now I've superficially flown over the comments on the AVfM site.. what in particular are you referring, too? And you can say it's in poor taste, but MRE is absolutely allowed to have it's own agenda and make it's own point. I don't see the poor taste in that.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 01:01 AM
1

That would be because you don't like nuance in your thinking... Once again -> fuck off.
/r/MensRights23/07/14 12:50 AM
1

Right, but we moved away from slutshaming and onto the legitimacy of rape culture now... you get the point that MRE isn't necessarily in favor of slutshaming just because they use the slutwalk to bring across their own points, right?
/r/MensRights23/07/14 12:48 AM
2

It takes a special mindset to take: "taught to manage" and turn it into: "taught not to do it". With 'to manage risk factors' I meant knowing what risks you are taking and what risks you are willing to take in what situation. I meant properly assessing whether the environment I'm in is reasonably safe or not, or at least assessing if the risk is worth it to me. I'm having a hard time believing that this mis-frame of yours wasn't intentional, kindly go fuck yourself.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 07:32 PM
2

yes?
/r/MensRights22/07/14 07:19 PM
1

Among other things, like drinking extensively, engaging in a hook up culture and other risky behavior. Now, I am not against any of those things, nor do I think such behavior puts blame on the victim, however those are risk factors that women should be aware of and taught to manage. But there is more, they still quite often operate under that, Rapist : Male Victim : Female Assumption. And it's bullshit.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 06:46 PM
7

Have you ever heard of 'feminist research'? Much like 'creationist research', 'feminist research' starts with an assumption it aims to prove, and adjusts the facts to fit that narrative. Rather than: 'creation was created by a creator' the underlying assumption here is: 'Women are oppressed by men'. And that is how men "made to penetrate", in other words men who were raped by women, end up in the 'sexual assault' category, rather than the 'rape' category in the CDC's sexual victimization survey …
/r/MensRights22/07/14 06:31 PM
0

Look, you really can't tell me that there aren't other elements and notion woven into it, because there are. They do per example quite often speak out against any deeper examination of what causes rape, because any conclusions outside of their limited understanding of rape would 'blame the victim'. Besides, he isn't even outright protesting them, or their existence, he's making his own point.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 06:13 PM
2

I'm not saying this is a non issue, I'm not sure where you got that Idea. I also agree with you that what men experience actually does fulfill the feminist definition of 'rape culture'. Why am I still against using overly emotive phraseology like: 'rape culture'? Because we're not feminist! We don't try to extenuate our victim-hood by stretching the definition of words so we can use as fear inducing a terms as possible. 'Rape Culture' is a culture in which rape is embraced, and encouraged, rathe…
/r/MensRights22/07/14 05:56 PM
2

Aye, I can only recommend r/FeMRA to anyone... though not to anyone in here (we really don't need any more MRAs in that sub)
/r/MensRights22/07/14 03:40 PM
0

Look, the rape of men is ignored, outright denied, minimized and laughed about... but not encouraged. And it most certainly isn't a prevalent factor of our society.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 03:09 PM
8

Once they scrap all of their philosophical excuses they have set up to get around this whole 'facts' and 'logic' thing we'll be having a conversation. Until then: 'What would Christians need to do in order to get you on their side?' Convert to atheism...
/r/MensRights22/07/14 08:56 AM
1

I call myself an MRA, but reluctantly. I do it to give credit to this movement because so much of my current viewpoint stems from here. Most of my anti-feminist lines of argumentation come from here. Plus, I do actually support much of what the MHRM stands for.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 08:52 AM
3

Wait.. it isn't?
/r/MensRights22/07/14 08:48 AM
0

Doesn't mean there is anything wrong with challenging some of their notions... like 'rape culture'.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 08:39 AM
6

People kept trashing r/MensRights, so I thought I'd check it out...
/r/MensRights22/07/14 08:32 AM
2

Rape jokes are horrible, actual death threats, death threats to 13 year olds however... no problem. But it's the evil MRAs that are constantly sending death and rape threats, right? Feminists would never do that.
/r/MensRights22/07/14 08:12 AM
6

The climate is definitely shifting. Feminists might still pretend that we're all raging misogynists, but they all concede now that 'MRAs do have a few legitimate issues' Don't get me wrong, I don't think MRAs will ever 'win', but we will shift the conversation towards a more reasonable place. Hopefully this will eventually translate into an actual legislative shift...
/r/MensRights18/07/14 12:37 AM
2

The fuck is this? Just cause a woman doesn't believe the exact same thing you do, just because she isn't an MRA, doesn't mean she's 'the enemy'. Is it really unfeasible to you that some people just don't care that much about the gender-debate? We are not feminists, stop behaving like them!
/r/MensRights16/07/14 04:12 PM
22

Well, you're assuming a couple of things here... You're assuming that men, when in power, automatically are gonna watch out for other men over women. Why? Would you, when in power automatically throw women under the bus? Would you instantly try and secure benefits on behalf of men at the expense of women? Politicians do not represent their own opinions, they represent voters, they represent powerful interest groups and women as well as women's groups have enormous political power, and always had…
/r/MensRights16/07/14 09:56 AM
3

Yup, no argument here.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 10:57 AM
0

It's all they have, really. When ever they do make an actual argument they get ripped apart fairly quickly, and they know it. Shaming association with the MRM and assassinating the character of anyone prominent within the MRM that's all they do because in a real debate they would fail.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:49 AM
3

Haha, lovely Then he started talking about the legal system favoring mothers over fathers in custody battles, and alimony... it's like he read an MRA handbook over night and has become completely indoctrinated. Yeah! If you have your own opinions, you're indoctrinated.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:40 AM
3

Haha, damn, Stephen Fry, huh? I think he was falsely equating the failure to mount a successful prosecution with malicious accusations. And you are are falsely ruling out malicious accusation being the underlying reason for the failure to mount a successful prosecution. Ed Miliband fully supports the work of Operation Yewtree and has made clear all along that our thoughts should be with the victims. Sure, but people maliciously accused are also victims, aren't they?
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:33 AM
5

You know.. those 2 guys weren't raped or anything. They decided to fuck her, too. They were lucky. There are no victims here, only a teacher that is out of a job.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:24 AM
9

2 18 year olds... Now, this is probably against school policy and justifiably so, so I'm not gonna complain if she get's fired. Other than that.. let her go.
/r/MensRights14/07/14 08:21 AM
4

Shame, but not surprising.
/r/MensRights13/07/14 09:06 AM
-2

Feminists didn't butcher the text. Those []'s were added later.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 02:15 PM
3

The quotes are real. If I don't actually recognize the quote in question, I at the very least recognize the style. Out of context? Not really, but I really don't think anything they said is actually appalling. Just, taboo. Karens Quote is from here on reddit somewhere.
/r/MensRights10/07/14 07:46 AM
6

Are these quotes really that outrageous to you? The one where Karen describes the 'consensual domestic violence'... she's describing a real situation here. Sometimes these things do in fact play out this way, some people have weird associations with violence and sex, this is not surprising, we know this. And there is nothing wrong with acknowledging and discussing those dynamics, there is something wrong with ignoring and even stigmatizing the acknowledgement of those dynamics to serve political…
/r/MensRights10/07/14 07:44 AM
3

Alright, gender and gender reverse aside... Why are the authorities even involved here? Jesus, yes it was in appropriate but the kid's gonna live. Just yell at the baby sitter, dump her and move on.
/r/MensRights09/07/14 09:01 AM
3

It's amazing how they talk about this incident being trivialized, without ever actually describing the incident. Geez, I wonder why? Is it maybe because then everybody could see how full of shit she is?
/r/MensRights08/07/14 12:02 PM
4

So much conflation of "drunk" with "physically helpless". You're not automatically "physically helpless" if you get drunk.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 08:38 AM
6

It wasn't rape... There were a lot of quite reasonable avenues she could've taken to prevent what happened from happening, like saying 'no' a 2nd time, like pushing him away, like leaving to go sleep in another bed... she just couldn't be bothered with it. I'm sorry, but she's full of shit.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 08:34 AM
4

Your girls are getting molested and harassed in school... unless you allow us to indoctrinate your kids into our ideology. Cheap trick.
/r/MensRights08/07/14 07:49 AM
2

no argument here.
/r/MensRights07/07/14 05:54 PM
0

I hate to be that guy, but this is an openly political post. Rule 3 disallows recent news sources, and this is relatively fresh. Rule 4 disallows anything related to recent politics, and this post is definitely recent politics. I really cannot blame the mods here. They don't want the sub to be involved with politics and we should respect that.
/r/MensRights07/07/14 11:02 AM
2

ManhoodAcademy (PUAs) kept spamming this place with links to their site. Free speech is good and all, doesn't mean we have to permit them to advertise here.
/r/MensRights07/07/14 10:57 AM
6

A. How are we gonna stop them? B. Why would we stop them? It's a disgusting system that should be spammed Seriously, we shouldn't back down on this just because someone can spin it to make us look like the bad guys. I mean look around you, everything we do is being used against us. Do that for long enough, and people are gonna start wondering who we are and why we do what we do.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 06:55 PM
1

I know. His sources are mostly about underage prostitution though. This post is not very well thought out.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 01:34 AM
2

Nothing wrong with e-petitions and letter writing campaigns. But I gotta wonder how it is you're planning on conducting those campaigns when you're the only one writing it? How do you plan on using e-petitions when you can't find anyone to sign it? We actually have to establish ourselves as a legitimate viewpoint... and we have to recruit. As for actual activism, the folks over at AVfM are doing excellent work if you're asking me. I'd go support them... with money.
/r/MensRights06/07/14 12:50 AM
6

I don't think we've done a poor job, it's just that we're at the very beginning of a long process. First thing we need to establish is an actual basis, next up is a network of activists that actually manifests in the real world (which is beginning to happen). I mean sure, we could be spending our efforts on backing this or that company, and we might even win... but those victories wouldn't really mean that much. Changing the public discourse and narrative building is what we need to do right now…
/r/MensRights06/07/14 12:15 AM
-10

Alright, first of all, anti-feminism is a major aspect of mens rights, but it's not the only aspect of mens rights. Second, the fact that young boys are more likely to prostitute themselves is and indicator that there is less support for young boys in need out there, making it a mens rights issue.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 09:28 PM
6

He's actually talking about underage prostitution.. which he didn't make clear.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 09:22 PM
3

What you are talking about is underage prostitution, not regular sex work. You should really make that clear, otherwise your point is meaningless/unbelievable.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 09:21 PM
4

Sounds like she's undermining relationships with anyone other than her, fostering dependence... I've seen that before. Does he have any friends left that were originally 'his'?
/r/MensRights05/07/14 08:14 PM
3

Well, with rape cases solid evidence is quite often non-existent to begin with. Often, he-said-she-said is all you have. That's why credibility matters here.
/r/MensRights05/07/14 08:12 PM
3

Or it's an extremely promiscuous lying thief that claimed had rape in the past but, this time, legitimately gets raped. And just because of her history the jury looks at that and acquits the man, despite evidence proving he did it. Credibility matters though. It very well may be that she has actually been raped this time, but if you cried wolf before and are not believe now because of it... well, tough shit, that's the cost of crying wolf when there is none. I mean, consider someone falsely accu…
/r/MensRights05/07/14 07:25 PM
3

Lets have a men and women of the same weight. Both of them drink bottle of whiskey just bellow lethal dose. Now my assumption is that men would be treated as 'alcoholic' and mocked for hangover. Women on other side would be treated as 'suicide survivor' and got all help she needs to recover. Don't make assumptions like that without following up on it...
/r/MensRights05/07/14 03:50 PM
1

There seems to be about 1.600 views on this one... many of them probably from MRAs. Don't seem THAT popular...
/r/MensRights05/07/14 03:48 PM
9

Amazing though how all of a sudden they acknowledge that we have a couple of points, innit? This didn't happen 6 months ago.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 05:35 PM
2

So you're saying women are less happy nowadays, got it. I'm sorry but I can't really take this seriously. What you have is one woman high on LSD, not a sample of women on LSD, not even a second woman from today to contrast with. And what it means if someone becomes more or less happy on LSD has yet to be established, too. And last but definitely not least, LSD doesn't make you happy. LSD can make you happy, but it's first and foremost a psychedelic drug.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 04:44 PM
2

Uhm.. why is this on here? What's the point you're trying to make? There's little change in happiness after LSD is administered. Today's change is drastic. Please, elaborate...
/r/MensRights04/07/14 03:58 PM
10

I predict another hit piece. Haha, you think? The only question is the angle of it. Are we all losers who falsely blame women (in particular feminist) for all our problems? or Do we hate women Elliot Roger style and laugh about rape? or Are we actually pick up artists trying to exploit women? or Are we privileged white people fretting about a loss of power over everyone else? These people are predictable...
/r/MensRights04/07/14 03:54 PM
2

meh...
/r/MensRights04/07/14 03:49 PM
1

Absolutely... but there is no one but us out there applying pressure. And personally, I think our resources are better spend elsewhere. Point out the stupidity and move on, I say.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 03:46 PM
1

No shit?
/r/MensRights04/07/14 03:45 PM
4

I wouldn't get too mad at this. The reason they probably didn't just merge those two events is because they probably already had two separate events set up that now they don't wanna cancel. Gender separating it was kinda stupid from the beginning. It's an e-sport, mens physical advantages don't mean shit here.
/r/MensRights04/07/14 08:55 AM
1

They are, but not on gender issues. Cenk knows about constitutional law and politics, anything else they're just gonna regurgitate the popular liberal narrative.
/r/MensRights03/07/14 09:45 PM
1

It's amazing to me how people will just take this ad and discuss the notion presented in it like it's a fact. Yeah, I know. It's any-ones fault but womens that women aren't going into STEM fields at similar rates.
/r/MensRights03/07/14 09:43 PM
1

That is good to hear.
/r/MensRights03/07/14 09:39 PM
2

haha, wow...
/r/MensRights03/07/14 09:30 PM
1

Katy: This is disgusting: why reallocate money from WOMEN'S shelters to help abusive men? Obvious troll is obvious?
/r/MensRights02/07/14 04:18 PM
2

Allegiances... just saying.
/r/MensRights02/07/14 08:31 AM
1

Well.. it's quite possible that she's just doing it out of her own convenience and not looking to come after you at all. That said.. get a confession. A text or a facebook message in which she somehow acknowledges that it's just a bureaucratic move on her part and that she wasn't actually raped.
/r/MensRights02/07/14 08:27 AM
10

When feminism is the only fucking reason that poster can say what she said today. Oh Jesus fucking Christ, what do you think the past was like? Read a book.
/r/MensRights02/07/14 07:51 AM
5

Your comment was deleted, no one but you can read that. I sincerely wonder though how feminist plan to deal with the problem of false accusations without ever acknowledging that some women falsely accuse. Unless of course they don't plan on ever dealing with it...
/r/MensRights02/07/14 07:48 AM
1

Or the possible mental and physical damage he's gonna take away from this...
/r/MensRights30/06/14 07:15 PM
3

ech.. it somehow doesn't show up, but I saw from your history what you mean. Very unfortunate. The fact that Judgy Bitch and Paul Elam talk like that is no secret.. nor a problem. The fact that the official Conference twitter account is talking like that... wtf??
/r/MensRights30/06/14 07:12 PM
1

As for people feeling pressured to be feminists – glad I’m doing my job right.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 05:22 PM
1

Yeah, all of the things you listed do actually follow... Ignoring your incoherent phrasing at times. Your statement was empty as you could take any feminist issue and replace your opening with it and it would still be "valid" as "Pro-feminism" Yeah? And? Do you understand what my original point was? "Pro-feminism" is such a narrow concept as for policy awareness that I think it would only come up if someone were protesting a feminist budgeting meeting or something. Aye... do you have a point her…
/r/MensRights30/06/14 03:19 PM
1

Oh, I'm pleased. Everyone who is not completely batshit will see through this bullshit. Everyone sane within the feminist movement will probably just awkwardly stand around glancing the other way... wondering if they're associating with the right crowd.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 08:30 AM
1

Rapists, sexists, rapists, rape jokes, making women cry... the usual.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 05:29 AM
11

There really ought to. Jesus Christ, either abort or don't but don't destroy your kids health because you're bigot.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 05:21 AM
3

Well.. then she's not a victim, is she?
/r/MensRights30/06/14 04:59 AM
1

What are you referring to?
/r/MensRights30/06/14 04:57 AM
2

Well I'll be damned. Crick crack crack... The dam is crumbling.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 04:55 AM
9

Yeah no, I'm with the feminists on this one. You get to protest abortion clinics, but there has got to be bounds of reason. They don't have the right to harass the actual women going in and getting an abortion. This is like the westboro baptist church not getting to directly picket funerals.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 04:44 AM
4

Abortion isn't pro-feminist it just happens to be one of the causes feminism tries to push. Many of the women getting abortions aren't actually feminists.
/r/MensRights30/06/14 04:39 AM
2

both
/r/MensRights29/06/14 07:07 PM
-1

Good question. Depends on the alleged rapists line of defense. If his defense is "No I didn't" then DNA evidence should be sufficient. If he uses the consent-defense ... well then we're gonna have to get into the he-said she-said niddy gritty, looking for contradictions in both their stories. Btw, if she's badly bruised or injured, a good indicator would be to question previous sex-partners. Does she like super rough sex? No? Well, that points towards the guilt of the accused. Also, with injurie…
/r/MensRights29/06/14 07:08 AM
1

Even the hashtag #bringbackourgirls, which emerged in the aftermath of the kidnapping of more than 200 girls in Nigeria, allegedly by the Islamist terror group Boko Haram, was an example of misandry, Kay explained, because there was not a similar response to the slaughter of a smaller number of boys earlier in the year. haha, wow...
/r/MensRights29/06/14 06:49 AM
2

“We need to name names,” Pizzey said, “and first on my list is Hillary Clinton.” One of the few overtly partisan moments at the conference, it drew loud cheers and applause from the attendees. rolls eyes...
/r/MensRights29/06/14 06:40 AM
15

'Feminists aren't like that!!' -> is like that.
/r/MensRights29/06/14 06:37 AM
3

One is a self-help group trying to milk the system, the other is a political movement. The only thing we have in common is the rejection of feminist or traditionalist principles. Equating redpillers and the MRM is like equating secularists and atheism+. Just because they both reject religion doesn't mean they're the same.
/r/MensRights28/06/14 08:29 PM
3

Yes. It should.
/r/MensRights28/06/14 12:28 PM
4

Well, the bluntness of it might cause some wrinkled noses, but largely yes, I do. It should at least. I'm having a hard time coming up with the reverse though. Men are expected to apologize with flowers, with women there isn't a common commercialized way that I can think of. I'm not sure if there even is a prevalent narrative of women fucking up and having to redeem themselves... that might be the real double standard.
/r/MensRights28/06/14 12:27 PM
2

You are emphasizing rape as more substantial because of your own socio-linguistic constructions around the word itself No, not because of my own socio-linguistic constructions around the word itself, because of societies socio-linguistic constructions around the word, because of political realities around the word. Why is it such a big deal that the boy in your example wasn't considered "raped" by the CDC? Studies like this are being used to paint rape as a male-perpetrated problem that only aff…
/r/MensRights28/06/14 05:42 AM
5

Meh. Just because an ad is talking to men directly (and doing so only somewhat implicitly ), doesn't mean we should concern ourselves with it. Sure, women do stupid things, too, but they typically can't make up for it with flowers. Which is why this only applies to men.
/r/MensRights28/06/14 04:53 AM
0

It's anyone fault but women's that women aren't going into STEM... Gender dimorphism, the fuck's that?
/r/MensRights28/06/14 04:50 AM
2

Question. An older woman pins a young boy down and forces him to enter her against his will. Was he raped, yes or no? And another question, who does the public usually see as the perpetrators of rape, men or women? Who does the public usually picture as being victimized by rape, a men or women? Do you not think that defining raped men as 'not raped' in a survey could potentially help mislead the public?
/r/MensRights28/06/14 04:44 AM
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MK: What we study are groups and individuals who target or attack entire groups of human beings based essentially on their class characteristics. For example, “All white people,” “All women,” “All Jews.” What about 'all men are rapists, and that's all they are.' Does that count as hate? No? Weird how that works, innit?
/r/MensRights28/06/14 04:30 AM
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Many men who have been forced to penetrate may not consider themselves to have been "raped", so when you ask them for the survey, they say no. When you define and describe this other thing, we get more info we previously wouldn't. Except that they don't directly ask women about being raped either. They ask: Where you penetrated [...] when you didn't want to... Where the results end up is what matters. And why are you complaining? [...] Men are equally represented under the "Rape" category, No, t…
/r/MensRights28/06/14 04:14 AM
0

Because they're probably on the left, and they think of feminists as their in-group.
/r/MensRights28/06/14 12:39 AM
10

Same here, pointed out the exact same things, in r/thebluepill... got myself blogged and removed. And now it appears thebluepill moderaters are spamming my inbox with insults...
/r/MensRights27/06/14 10:39 PM
1

I haven't looked at them all, but certain ones are kinda dodgy. 48 Women have the privilege of believing sexism only applies to women Per example isn't a privilege, however the fact that this is widely believed might be.
/r/MensRights27/06/14 10:29 PM
3

Because they're trying to hide male victims and female perpetrators.
/r/MensRights27/06/14 06:58 PM
8

How is this encouraging? "Made to penetrate" is the category separate from "rape" in which they shoved male rape victim inorder to hide them.
/r/MensRights27/06/14 02:20 PM
6

Yeah... this is not how MRAs, or even red pillers talk. This is how feminists like to pretend they talk. This story is obvious bullshit, but hey, that won't stop feminists from touting it around as fact.
/r/MensRights27/06/14 09:30 AM
1

And truly, that's more sad that outrageous. You know.. making fun of typos is usually not my style, except when it's the finishing line. The fenishing line should be spelled correctly.
/r/MensRights26/06/14 01:26 PM
1

After all, who besides a rapist thinks that getting an enthusiastic "yes" to sex is an unreasonable standard? This shit.. this shit right here is why feminism has a bad reputation. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the fact that most of the time consent is given non-verbally, or that sometimes consent looks like: "meh, sure whatever", meaning such a legal standard criminalize both of those situations when they really shouldn't be. No, none of that, it must be because George Will is a rapist!!11! F…
/r/MensRights26/06/14 01:22 PM
2

"Wah.. MRAs CAN'T GET LAID!!... WAHHH!!!" That's all they have...
/r/MensRights26/06/14 09:31 AM
1

duh!
/r/MensRights26/06/14 09:20 AM
3

Notice the very stereotypical view of both men and women. As well as the naturalistic fallacy: "What's going on right now isn't true to our nature, we must conform to our natural state!"
/r/MensRights22/06/14 08:05 PM
3

First glance: Han Solo arrested for allegedly shooting first, ...
/r/MensRights22/06/14 04:47 AM
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Soo.. I found a commentator making this point. Maybe this isn't an instance of pussy pass. She just needs to get sued in civil court.
/r/MensRights22/06/14 12:04 AM
5

So... nothing is gonna happen to her?
/r/MensRights21/06/14 07:44 AM
6

Jesus.. and nowhere is there a link to what George Will actually wrote. Feminists are maintaining a media bubble, a bubble in which George Will actually wrote: "Being a rape victim is fun!" rather than the well thought out criticism of the feminist world view that he actually wrote. We gotta keep poking that bubble until it bursts.
/r/MensRights19/06/14 06:15 PM
1

Yes, women sometimes do that thing where they apologize when they shouldn't: "Sorry if this is a stupid question." Engh... you're a professional, don't portray yourself in a negative light for making a professional inquiry. However, if you steal my blanket at night YOU'D BETTER BE FUCKING SORRY, BITCH!
/r/MensRights19/06/14 03:03 PM
1

Mhm.. thanks.
/r/MensRights18/06/14 07:22 PM
2

So wait... did they actually draw the parallels, or are you drawing them?
/r/MensRights17/06/14 10:49 PM
2

but the prisoners were saying that rape culture inside prison was a parallel of what it was for women outside. Explain?
/r/MensRights17/06/14 10:38 PM
1

Enh.. The burning of books was a lot more significant before Gutenberg.
/r/MensRights17/06/14 10:14 AM
2

Do they actually actively police that shit or is it just kinda implicit?
/r/MensRights16/06/14 10:54 AM
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Enh.. that's not quite true. Public censure is a thing, and it's unwarranted. It's like saying: "Black/Gay people have rights, what more do they want?" They want acceptance.
/r/MensRights16/06/14 10:45 AM
1

Look, I actually do kinda believe you that you have a reasonable stance on this. Your mistake is that you're not representative of the feminist movement. I mean... you are, but not alone. There are many voices under the feminist banner saying exactly what I'm asserting they're saying, you're just choosing to focus on the good, and dismiss the rest.
/r/MensRights16/06/14 05:14 AM
1

As I said, the feminists at women's resource centers are the ones who have made it a priority to provide and advertise Rape Aggression Defense courses on college campuses. Yup, some feminists somewhere had the right Idea, congratulations. You always hear that feminism isn't a monolith... except when some feminist somewhere does something right. Then of course it is. Doesn't mean feminists haven't spend the last year shouting down anyone suggesting women take charge of their own safety. You simpl…
/r/MensRights16/06/14 04:56 AM
3

Holy fucking straw-feminists, Batman. The guy talks as if feminists are out in the streets telling women not to learn how to defend themselves. Yes... Feminists have been scoffing at the idea that women should to take on a certain amount of responsibility for they own safety for a while now. The point that the feminists have here is just that the onus shouldn't be on women to learn karate, Yeah, like that. It's not acceptable to sexually assault women, and it never has been, doesn't mean it's ne…
/r/MensRights15/06/14 10:07 PM
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You're call for accountability is actually quite right. This is however the prevalent narrative spread about the MRM and there is a screencap so I have no doubt that this actually happened. againstmensbs could be AMR affiliated? I dunno, that's a question for OP.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 06:51 PM
1

Be a bit more trusting. What's the worst that can happen in this case?
/r/MensRights15/06/14 06:34 PM
4

These are not just "misconceptions", these are deliberate lies that only a few people actually believe. If you've paid attention to the feminist portrayal of Elliot Roger, or the blatant misrepresentation of what George Will or James Taranto has written... you'll see what I mean. It's a pattern with them.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 06:32 PM
5

Yes it would be... but from what I can see she isn't planning on being disruptive or violent, she's just planning on reporting on us. And that's exactly what we want - a discussion
/r/MensRights15/06/14 06:17 PM
1

oh ok.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 02:29 PM
2

This story is a point of mild interest rather than a rallying cry against it.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 02:18 PM
3

Good on her.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 02:16 PM
1

Come on.. there's gotta be something missing.. right?
/r/MensRights15/06/14 02:52 AM
2

Couldn't have said it better.
/r/MensRights15/06/14 02:47 AM
2

God damn it.. I've had it with all these motherfucking petitions in this motherfucking sub!
/r/MensRights15/06/14 02:45 AM
12

Yup, right here^^
/r/MensRights14/06/14 09:04 PM
1

This browbeating of the media away from ever posting anything critical of their position is disgusting. This is censorship. Not censorship by the sate, but censorship by powerful interest groups bullying everyone else into compliance. Free speech is a value, a value they're shitting on because it doesn't suit them here.
/r/MensRights14/06/14 09:01 PM
4

Yes. Equality before the law. Now if you think a woman getting 30 years for having consensual sex with an underaged teen is excessive.. I agree with you. But so is it for a man to get 30 years for the exact same thing.
/r/MensRights14/06/14 08:55 PM
7

while feminists are almost universally on the (extreme) left, Oh.. it might seem that way, but that isn't always right. Feminists and Conservatives often form strange bedfellows. Consider the anti-porn feminists like Gail Dines or Shelly Lubben. Or does anyone remember the Satanist-hysteria feminists kicked off quite a while ago? Or the feminists effort to ban violent video games. This constant propaganda about trafficking in sex-work has spawned a whole rescue industry. An industry run by femin…
/r/MensRights14/06/14 11:30 AM
2

I see myself more on the left, but I have to acknowledge the mistakes my own political wing is prone to get into. Feminism is an outgrowth of the left. The right wing has it's own set of obvious bullshit, but this one is ours. However, I'd categorize much of the MRM as a liberal revolt within the left and a healthy exchange with libertarians a bit more on the right.
/r/MensRights14/06/14 11:20 AM
1

And I think "I find [fembots] so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection" is very, very problematic. When an upstart politician vows to 'throw out' an incumbent Senator, we all understand that this isn't an actual threat of violence. When TYT promotes it's 'Wolf-Pac' and announces 'We're coming', same thing. Why is it all of a sudden problematic when Paul Elam does it, especially when from the context it's clear as fucking day that this is not a violen…
/r/MensRights11/06/14 09:20 PM
1

I haven't seen that many satire bits of him.. which explains why you'd consider them poor satire, they're probably not satire. They're probably provocation. His writing is laced with misogyny, genuine hatred. Point me at something laced with genuine misogynistic hatred.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 09:12 PM
1

yes
/r/MensRights11/06/14 07:36 PM
1

Sit on the bus and ignore her. Don't talk to her, don't nod at her don't engage her in any way. If she starts fucking with you, start recording and talk to your counselors. However, figure out the legality of gathering this kind of video evidence before revealing to anyone that you've already gathered some. Harassment ain't cool and you could sue her ass.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 07:25 PM
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It's because they know that many of their positions are indefensible against our challenges. They demonize us and pretend we're on par with neo-nazis to prevent people like you from ever checking us out. Luckily there is no such thing as 'bad PR'.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 07:18 PM
0

No. You realize that Warren fucking Farrell is being misquoted and 'used against us' the very same way. If we cut out everyone who had their character assassinated we'd have no one left. None of the things Elam is promoting is actually in any ways problematic, offensive, violent or hateful. Yes, he's provocative, but if we don't provoke a debate, we're just not gonna have one.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 03:57 PM
0

Dangerous? What has he ever written that could be considered 'dangerous'?
/r/MensRights11/06/14 03:52 PM
1

1) The 8 Biggest Lies men's rights activists spread about women feminists! 2) It's Ironic that the banner Mrs. Ross uses is from Lena Dunhams snl skit about the MRM, a skit where she's quite blatantly spreading lies about the MRM. Like that we're against abortion (we're not!). 3) I've gotta commend her for actually tackling real MRA positions. I'm so used to watching feminists beat up straw men.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 02:34 PM
1

From what I've heard it's not that rage-worthy.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 02:09 PM
1

Meh.. somehow I'm not intimidated. Lots of libel.. as usual.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 01:50 PM
3

Is there anything Atheists could do to stop atheism+ from appropriating their label? No? Then what the fuck are we supposed to do about TRP taking the red pill analogy and running with it?
/r/MensRights11/06/14 01:46 PM
3

Painting us this way is convenient.
/r/MensRights11/06/14 09:59 AM
2

but being against feminism as a whole? Different conversation we're having now. I don't think there are that many MRAs who want to go back to the 50's, what you will find however is a lot of MRAs (including me) who will make the argument that the status of women in the 50's, as well as most of history, has been grossly mis-charachterized by feminists. It's this willfully manipulative portrayal of the past and present that we're against.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 12:16 PM
3

Not really. If you're referencing Manhoodacademy.. he's getting banned and deleted for constantly spamming links to his page, not for criticizing r/MR from a Red Pill perspective.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 10:53 AM
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Just without the people who might actually have something to say on the matter. Without people who are actually against feminism.
/r/MensRights10/06/14 09:41 AM
3

Yeah. I don't blame the guy, he just seemed a bit nervous.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 08:24 PM
1

Well.. inorder to convince people to act, we have to convince them that they're is actually a problem out there. The problem here is that despite being physically attacked this guy was afraid to defend himself... in fact self-defense would've probably landed him rather than his attacker in jail. We have to make it ok for men to defend themselves in situations like this, we have to demonstrate that situations like this actually occur. Yes, this is very MR, it goes beyond a fathers treatment in a …
/r/MensRights09/06/14 04:01 PM
7

Not the best of interviews. Edit: I mean.. all credit to Dean, it's just that you could tell he was a bit overwhelmed by the situation. Practice makes perfect.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 03:15 PM
1

There was a camera in the quadcopter giving you a birds eye view.. that's it.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:56 PM
1

If you notice, he didn't defend himself. We think men should have the inherent right to defend themselves against attacks like that. The police was originally coming to arrest him, only after he showed them the video did they arrest her. And more than that, she's gonna get a slap on the wrist, despite her just having assaulted a minor.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:53 PM
8

I know why the comic wasn't published... It's a bad comic. Akin to Lena Dunhams snl skit on us.
/r/MensRights09/06/14 12:19 PM
3

It's a strategy. Feminists elbowed their way into politics in the first place. They're not a rational movement intend on discovering the truth, they don't care about reality, they just want to be right. So they look at us and they can tell that we're onto something. They can tell that what we have to say threatens the very foundation of the feminist establishment the same way Galileo threatened the foundation of the christian establishment. And feminists now react in a similar manner. They know …
/r/MensRights09/06/14 10:43 AM
2

I really wouldn't equate evocative rhetoric with 'hateful' rhetoric. This isn't 'hateful' rhetoric.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:21 PM
7

This wasn't satire. It was intentionally provocative.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 10:13 PM
3

What /u/anonlymouse said. Better to mention her proactively than to pretend like she doesn't exist. Feminists want to disavow her existence because she sounds too much like us.. why the hell would we want to do that, too? It's not the label 'men's rights' that we represent, but the ideas behind it. She spouts the right ideas into sympathetic ears, why hinder her? See her as a secret exit route out of crazy land for feminists.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:44 PM
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I know, dude, I know... Christina Hoff Sommers just check her out, then come talk to me. She is listed as an 'anti-feminist' by some feminists, but she considers herself to be a feminist nevertheless. Yes, this is a tiny and disliked minority within active feminists, but they exist.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:14 PM
4

I can, and I will: "I find [fembots] so pernicious and repugnant that the idea of fucking your shit up gives me an erection." Is that really an offensive statement? 'fucking your shit up' is clearly understood by anyone as an abstract threat, not a violent one. Yes, he's gonna fuck up that political ratchet feminists got going on and that's a perfectly legitimate threat to make. It's morally defensible for the same reason it's defensible for a politician to 'throw out' an incumbent senator. With…
/r/MensRights08/06/14 09:00 PM
2

Christina Hoff Sommers? Anyone can carry around any title he or she chooses to carry around. Those are the type of women who actually do believe that feminism should be about equality and rationality. I'd call those the other 'fringe' within feminism.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 08:36 PM
6

Or, you know... facebook.
/r/MensRights08/06/14 01:17 AM
1

Source, dude. Source, gimmi sources and I'll believe you.
/r/MensRights07/06/14 07:33 PM
2

It's too low. Some kind of problem with sexual assault? I understand that the CDC statistics of 1 in 5 are grossly overblown, but 2%? If he had said "2% of women are raped" I might've been less skeptical, but any and all sexual assault during lifetime statistics being under 2 %... no, simply I don't believe it.
/r/MensRights07/06/14 01:47 PM
-1

but you’ll see it’s usually around 2 percent of women in their lifetime will have some kind of problem with sexual assault. Oh.. come on dude.. 2 percent?
/r/MensRights07/06/14 09:47 AM
3

She even included AVfMs donation drive video... The fuck is happening?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:26 PM
2

You know, having two opposing groups isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's good to have an opposition that'll check your facts and call out all your bullshit for you, forcing you to be at least somewhat connected to reality. That said... Feminism has pretty idiotic and sometimes downright hateful ideological underpinnings. I'm not against a movement addressing the concerns of women, I am against the ideas feminism preaches. I mean, you can see how intellectually bankrupt feminism is when you look …
/r/MensRights04/06/14 10:03 AM
3

What were you trying to do?
/r/MensRights04/06/14 06:17 AM
6

The fact that every example they give is actually from TRP rather than MR is telling. They ain't got shit on us.
/r/MensRights03/06/14 09:34 PM
3

Wow.. you've truly caused me to reconsider my ways, thank you.
/r/MensRights03/06/14 09:32 PM
5

What are you talking about?
/r/MensRights03/06/14 08:46 PM
7

Yeah, except the things he described aren't done by tumblr feminists, they're done by feminists in academia.
/r/MensRights03/06/14 08:34 PM
3

7%? Do you not read your own data?
/r/MensRights03/06/14 08:27 PM
1

But good question OP.
/r/MensRights03/06/14 04:48 PM
7

When you choose to associate with a movement, you choose to lend said movement credibility... your credibility. You are now responsible for what that movement does and fights for, for as long as you choose to associate yourself with said movement. If I associate with the KKK per example, and then go on to do charity and social work, doesn't mean I don't have to defend what the KKK does in general. I don't get to say: "NAKKKALT!" Same with feminists. By associating with said movement they will ha…
/r/MensRights03/06/14 04:47 PM
4

Funny that the SJWs instantly attacked him. I really don't know how they manage to keep all their celebs in line, they a have nasty habit of eating their own, why would people align with them?
/r/MensRights02/06/14 08:07 PM
3

'ending the drugwar' maybe. But no, not very MRM specific.
/r/MensRights31/05/14 01:23 PM
14

Well, 'Nigger' has added racial implications that 'Bitch' simply doesn't. In Germany we have saying: "Arbeit macht frei". That saying was written over the entrances of concentration camps. Now, there is nothing wrong with saying: "work will set you free" it's true, however the history behind this saying kinda makes it unacceptable to actually adopt this as a slogan for something. Same with 'Nigger'. Due to the history 'Nigger' kinda has this implication that you are lower than me because you're …
/r/MensRights30/05/14 03:42 PM
3

The fuck happened on april 20th?
/r/MensRights30/05/14 03:26 PM
2

And what about the person who did the false accusing?
/r/MensRights30/05/14 07:41 AM
2

If it's a rule in the side bar (and it is), than that means it isn't the individual mod who is being childish... it's the entire sub.
/r/MensRights30/05/14 07:39 AM
3

Enh.. took me a little longer than that, but it send me along a journey.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 09:42 PM
1

Meh.. there are probably still one or two mods that are a little bit more laissez faire than the others.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 08:32 PM
2

Men in general need to come to a consensus on this subject. Well.. never gonna happen. You ever found two women.... scratch that, you ever found 2 feminists that agreed on something?
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:59 PM
16

I remember being told that one days us MRAs are gonna be recognized by history as the hate group that we are. I called myself a feminist at the time...
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:52 PM
31

Welcome to the non-feminist/humanist dark side. Btw, the official (well.. widely accepted) MRA stance doesn't have a problem with women's rights activism. Men and women have different issues to deal with and there is nothing wrong with tackling them individually. The MRHM does have a problem with feminism and is skeptical towards feminisms narrative of oppression.
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:47 PM
7

I'm not put off by the responses you've gotten, I'd disagree with them but they're over all somewhat reasonable. But yes their comment policy is horrendous, they just outright ban anyone that disagrees with them. Is that why I've never seen anyone give a reasonable response in those subreddits? Yes, that is exactly why. Look, In a way I get it... it's askfeminists not askreddit, so they want the first responses to be feminist responses... ... just delete the comment. Give the non-feminist offend…
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:44 PM
3

Wow. Yeah, let's burn people alive, they probably deserved it!
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:37 AM
3

When someone talks about the injustices perpetuated by men and someone else chimes in to say "Not all men are like that! Men need to be spoken for too!" what it does is enable each and every man, individually, to separate himself from "Those men" and assure himself that HE is not the problem, and continue to live and behave unchecked and unregulated. I'm at a loss for words... 'Men are all inherently evil, and need to be checked an regulated by a constant blanket of shame.' She really doesn't tr…
/r/MensRights29/05/14 07:19 AM
47

I've seen one MRA talk about the friendzone so far.. Girlwriteswhat, and it was more a commentary on feminists reaction to it than the friendzone itself. Half of them are dishonest mudslingers and the other half probably believe it themselves. There is hope for the later, but none for the former.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 06:36 PM
1

Ha, thanks for sending me that.
/r/MensRights28/05/14 07:08 AM
25

Noo... Nonononono no... This petition is fucking gold. I know you mad, but the more blatant their smears are, the more they expose their agency and the nature of their agency They are undermining themselves more than they are undermining us. Plus... if they actually get up to a hundred thousand.. The administration is gonna have to respond, and that's bound to be good.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 07:06 AM
3

Well.. yeah, which is why it would be so satisfying to watch him say: 'No.' to them There are still certain limits to what they can and cannot do. They are bound to be somewhat reasonable.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 06:58 AM
3

I'm pretty sure he couldn't do that even if he wanted too.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 05:15 AM
7

How about ignorance + malice? It might even be possible that they truly believed this shit at the time, but they believed it because they wanted to believe it, not because there was an actual reason to do so. The Isla Vista tragedy wasn't the only tragedy they dishonestly linked us to, btw.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 04:50 AM
10

If this reaches 100.000 Obama is gonna have to give an official response. Now, he's not gonna say anything nice about us, but watching him be forced to actually say: No, the MRM is not a terrorist group, and no, he's not going to classify them as such... Watching Obama say no to feminists would be one of the most satisfying things I could think of. Let's go sign it...
/r/MensRights27/05/14 04:30 AM
5

Really i simply dont understand why we cannot all be one, we will have a greater effect as one group then as two separate groups fighting. And who will be fact checking this one group? Cause until we came along it has been no one.
/r/MensRights27/05/14 04:23 AM
2

and small, and male. He cray cray.
/r/MensRights26/05/14 11:08 PM
13

He killed those 3 men first and only then wen't to the sorority house, didn't he? Yes, he hates women.. but he hates men, too. And asians... And small people... And everyone who isn't him...
/r/MensRights26/05/14 03:57 AM
2

I haven't read it, but yeah, you're right. Trying to shove the blame for those dead bodies into each others pockets like that is stupid. The guy was deranged, we really mustn't to base our understanding of reality on what the raving lunatics of our world do. However... In comparison these 2 are not the same. Some members of the anti-feminist crowd are somewhat abstractly nudging part of the blame for that in the direction of feminism. What I'm hearing out of feminist circles right now is: "Mens …
/r/MensRights25/05/14 06:31 PM
4

I was going to suggest that his mental illness led to his depressing personal situation. Chicken -> Egg I guess. However, I don't think feminism is to blame, that's my point. Trying to shove blame around for this is stupid.
/r/MensRights25/05/14 04:59 PM
2

If you're asking how I know, because his parents have been trying to give him therapy for a while now and he's been refusing his medicine. If you're asking how he got it it... beats me.
/r/MensRights25/05/14 04:55 PM
4

The sad part is that this probably isn't gonna be seen by enough people.
/r/MensRights25/05/14 10:31 AM
5

... "Many people are born into this society. It doesn't lead to this" Obviously there are different types of mental illnesses...
/r/MensRights25/05/14 04:51 AM
7

He never learned any positive way to be a man. This is the result. No. He's mentally ill, that's what led to this.
/r/MensRights25/05/14 04:27 AM
30

From the daily Kos: The Men's Rights Movement as they call themselves is a nebulous group of pickup artists and misogynists who've found each other on line, and are attempting to create a movement based around their hatred, disdain, and fear of women. They're trying hard, aren't they?
/r/MensRights25/05/14 04:26 AM
1

Soo... boxing matches?
/r/MensRights22/05/14 07:04 PM
5

So what.. they consented to it for money.
/r/MensRights22/05/14 01:44 AM
0

but keep on your self-righteous rant. Dude.. he's making a good point, stop being a dick.
/r/MensRights22/05/14 01:37 AM
3

When I dropped the label 'feminist' and picked up the label 'MRA' I had a very similar conflict. Who do I want to be? Do I want to stand up for all that is good and just (at least in my head), or do I want to stand up for an honest accounting of what is and simply isn't true?
/r/MensRights22/05/14 12:43 AM
2

False beliefs, it turns out, have little to do with one’s stated political affiliations and far more to do with self-identity: What kind of person am I, and what kind of person do I want to be? All ideologies are similarly affected. So... the best solution for yourself is to base your self-identity on the right ideals, I guess. A quest for truth should become before any other ideal.
/r/MensRights22/05/14 12:29 AM
1

TEDx Ted... x...
/r/MensRights21/05/14 11:51 PM
1

Your the type of person that is wildly impressed with credentials, aren't you? This was not a historians response and the fact that you can't spot that right away... never-mind. Point is.. these are not the type of sources an actual academic would present. They can simply do better than this. Take the question or ask historians or ask science then. Wut? Or you could, you know, .. think a bit and look at the actual arguments on your own rather than just blindly accepting whatever people on your s…
/r/MensRights20/05/14 09:41 PM
1

Haha, I just stumbled across that bad history post.. Is that it? Is that the feminist response to GWW? Can you tell I'm not impressed?
/r/MensRights20/05/14 09:07 PM
3

Enh... maybe, if the criminal prosecution fails to yield a conviction, but isn't that always the case with any type of crime? The University 'courts' probably loose relevance though.
/r/MensRights20/05/14 01:39 AM
2

Wow, you really changed my mind just now. What are you doing here? If you don't have any ideas to share, why are you even bothering with commenting? Say something interesting, or shut up.
/r/MensRights19/05/14 02:34 PM
4

repetition =/= truth Debunk it with arguments, then we'll talk.
/r/MensRights19/05/14 11:15 AM
1

The first line I agree with, the rest however...
/r/MensRights18/05/14 10:16 PM
0

Why are you bringing up male disposability when talking about lab animals? I'm pretty sure this doesn't play a role here.
/r/MensRights18/05/14 12:06 PM
3

I don't disagree with that. That's perfectly valid thing to look out for. But just cause we prefer male lab rats in most cases doesn't mean we don't! And this isn't gonna help us account for that, this is literally just requiring anyone who want's this grant to burn money creating massive amounts of data that nobody can use. This isn't helping anyone, not even women, this is just making the 30 billion annual grant less effective. Feminists are tampering with subjects they know nothing about.
/r/MensRights18/05/14 12:03 PM
3

I'm all for looking into the sex differences in medical fields... might be interesting to look into, however, this is retarded, and I can't believe my fellow commentators are agreeing with it here. There tends to be a reason for favoring male over female mice, and that reason is probably that they deliver better results. This isn't making anything more equal, it's just making science more wasteful for everybody. Frustrating and disappointing.
/r/MensRights18/05/14 09:25 AM
5

Why? If the female hormonal cycle screws the results out of whack... than discarding female mice sounds like a reasonable response.
/r/MensRights18/05/14 09:21 AM
1

"from"? That's some retarded use of scare quotes, right there.
/r/MensRights18/05/14 09:01 AM
1

female peasants was that mostly the wife was the husband's property In Feudal societies, both male and female peasants were the property of their governing lords. soo....
/r/MensRights15/05/14 07:04 PM
1

Yeah, about none of these things seem to be the proper origin of what we're talking about. And how do any of these relate to what's going in tribal societies?
/r/MensRights15/05/14 07:00 PM
1

With wildly differing sentences though.
/r/MensRights15/05/14 06:51 PM
1

That's a nice euphamism for conquered and culturally wiped out Aye, that is exactly what I meant. And I'm sorry, but competition is a fact of biology, you cannot pin the blame for it on individuals. Land and resources are limited, and WILL be fought over, the same way cells in a petri dish will compete over resources. And you see very much the same goals with tribal leaders declaring war on one another Those tribal leaders don't have any mind control powers, they are in their position because th…
/r/MensRights15/05/14 09:11 AM
1

What she did was reckless, stupid and dangerous and should be punished. No argument here. However, this is different from actually trying to falsely accuse a real person. It's like the difference between driving drunk through a well populated area and intentionally mowing down pedestrians. One is reckless and dangerous, the other is murder.
/r/MensRights15/05/14 08:56 AM
2

Well, to be fair, no actual man was accused. It was supposed stranger rape. She wasn't fucking anyone over specifically, she was just doing it for attention.
/r/MensRights15/05/14 06:44 AM
7

Forcing women into domestic roles and men into outdoor labour and warfare was merely what the rich and powerful determined to be the best way to run an economy and build up an army. How about: Society just kinda fell into place like that because it was more efficient for societies to do so, because societies that didn't operate like that where out-competed by the ones that did. When you look at SouthAmerican or African tribal societies, you see very much the same labor divisions. You really cann…
/r/MensRights15/05/14 06:40 AM
3

But women are equal to men...
/r/MensRights11/05/14 09:28 AM
3

Wait, undocumented immigrants have to register, too? Isn't that gonna get them caught?
/r/MensRights09/05/14 08:38 AM
7

Even if you can see the point of this burden put onto men, it's still a privilege that women have over men, and there should be some benefit we get out of putting up with this shit.
/r/MensRights09/05/14 08:37 AM
1

meh.. they act like they don't, but the variety of opinion that is allowed seems to be shrinking.
/r/MensRights03/05/14 08:44 PM
2

Yes, but they're a bit special. r/feminism actively distances themselves from them.
/r/MensRights03/05/14 08:43 PM
6

I'd like to respectfully disagree with you. I think that if there is an issue that significantly affects one gender more than the other, then there is nothing wrong with having a campaign specific to one gender. Example: Men can get breast cancer, but it still makes more sense to focus breast cancer research on women. Prostate cancer is where it's at for men. However, neither am I gonna get banned for this dissent, nor am I gonna campaign for your ban.
/r/MensRights03/05/14 09:17 AM
2

Ohh....
/r/MensRights03/05/14 09:05 AM
-1

Well.. the joke probably was about a woman beating her husband to death. Otherwise it's just 2 guys not being able to do it, and one guy being eager to do it... there is no joke here. If the woman beats the husband to death, then it becomes kinda funny because: "Haha, see? Women hate their husbands!" Or whatever it is you want to interpret into it. Edit: Nevermind, the joke was about the guy being given blanks. because genderroles or whatever... It's weird to me how the people making these argum…
/r/MensRights03/05/14 09:04 AM
1

Jeez, you're doing the right thing. I hope that you can mend your differences and that maybe Jen'll learn.
/r/MensRights03/05/14 08:48 AM
6

They acknowledged it... rejoice everybody!
/r/MensRights27/04/14 06:20 PM
3

This: Designed to encourage false rape allegations against men Might be preaching to the choir, this: I had my tooth drilled recently by my dentist. I consented, but not enthusiastically. That does not make his conduct assault and battery. However is not. Enthusiastic consent could for all means be the opposite, a method of preventing false rape allegations. How is someone screaming yes going to result in anything less than a decreased chance of a false rape allegation, or negative sexual experi…
/r/MensRights27/04/14 04:46 AM
4

So.. discussion time /r/mensrights: ...Was it rape?
/r/MensRights26/04/14 05:48 AM
11

Your opinion is wrong. Factually wrong.
/r/MensRights26/04/14 05:43 AM
1

Look, it's not that I am denying that rape exists, but calling this society a 'rape culture' is just ridiculously over the top, vilifying hyperbole. Mugging is also something that happens.. would you say that muggings are a defining aspect of our culture? Or burglaries? Or physical assaults? Pointing towards rape as a defining aspect of our culture, simply because it exists seems very arbitrary to me. It looks to me like it's just inflammatory rhetoric you are insisting on maintaining. There is …
/r/MensRights25/04/14 11:07 PM
1

And you assume this is a feminist organization because...? Edit: Besides, It was feminists that campaigned to exclude male victims and female perpetrators from the federal definition of rape, and it was feminists that campaigned for predominant aggressor policies. That's quite literally them ignoring the suffering of one gender. So yeah... justify that!
/r/MensRights25/04/14 07:58 PM
1

I'm sorry that your movement has dedicated itself to ignoring the suffering of one gender. lol...
/r/MensRights25/04/14 07:44 PM
1

"There is a rape culture against men" Happy? HAPPY??? IS THAT WHAT YOU WANTED?!
/r/MensRights25/04/14 07:29 PM
2

Not sure what you're referring to, because you've made no demand until this point. Oh, that sentence of mine you quoted, that was meant to be me making that demand. And so far all you've pointed to is anti-feminism. Anti-feminism is a pretty common Idea, especially among people with a christian-conservative view. Also, these two women have made specific demands, and other than those demands we have nothing to judge them by. So other than their feminist talking points, they don't have any horrifi…
/r/MensRights23/04/14 09:00 AM
2

What viewpoints did Anders Breivik and Marc Lépine share with the MRM? And I don't think my demand for a more precise answer other than: "dislikes feminism" is unreasonable.
/r/MensRights22/04/14 11:18 PM
3

I try, thank you. And yes. I think you're gonna make the accusation of confirmation bias. Yes, I think these types of notions are prevalent within feminism, however since I don't actually know that for a fact I shouldn't use instances like this to reinforce that feminism consists of whackos like this. If I guessed right, then you have a point. I still think those are feminists, however, now it's more of a bet.
/r/MensRights22/04/14 08:52 PM
21

I wonder if this Lisa Fenton actually believes that including even a single woman wouldn't change the dynamic of those other 11 men. When it comes to social experiments like this, changing the variables like that can change the outcome of the experiment. Your whining is counter productive to understanding.
/r/MensRights22/04/14 08:37 PM
7

... her opinion does? I honestly don't know how she labels herself, but her ideas very much mirror prevalent feminist attitudes, and unless either she or you have a convincing reason for me not to, I'll call her a 'feminist'
/r/MensRights22/04/14 08:31 PM
1

Yup, this is what pisses me off about them, the most. This right here. I know, I know, they're hateful and that should piss me off more... but I just ain't feeling it that much. It's that they're wrong, and that they don't care that they're wrong. They think themselves so good and so righteous that they're above trivial things like 'true' or 'false'. You're in the way of human progress, fuck you.
/r/MensRights22/04/14 05:56 PM
8

Because only white men would prefer not to get fucked over by divorce law?
/r/MensRights22/04/14 02:42 PM
2

Well.. don't go beat her up for starters, that isn't gonna end well for either you or your friend mike.
/r/MensRights19/04/14 08:31 PM
2

Oh god.. I take no ones side in this. A nice bit of psychology for you: If you keep telling someone they are something, they are going to believe it. If you keep telling someone their fat, they’re more likely to get an eating disorder. If you keep telling someone they’re stupid, they’re more likely to under-perform. If you keep telling people they’re rapists, you know what they’ll eventually think? “Well, people keep telling me I’m a rapist and I’m already being blamed for being a rapist so I mu…
/r/MensRights19/04/14 04:04 PM
6

Well, XKCD is right. It's just... shutting out opposing opinion disqualifies your own. You might not be violating my free speech when you ban me, you are however demonstrating an incapability of addressing dissent.
/r/MensRights19/04/14 10:16 AM
3

Dude... you know why military training is being pointed at, stop being intentionally ignorant.
/r/MensRights18/04/14 03:20 PM
2

fascist junta in kiev [...] flexing muscles Well.. maybe, but I'm not really interested in picking sides when it comes to this West vs. East conflict. At least not in this sub. And yes, they use women, but they certainly don't use women as boots on the grounds storming police stations.
/r/MensRights18/04/14 03:18 PM
2

they can, but they're not gonna be the ones storming Ukrainian police stations, are they?
/r/MensRights18/04/14 03:15 PM
31

Meh, the purpose of this action is probably not to fuck over men, the purpose is to stop russia from sending in it's 'activists'. I know men are getting fucked over, but it's probably a necessary sacrifice and I'm willing to bet that Ukrainian men understand why they need to make it.
/r/MensRights18/04/14 10:44 AM
10

Why are they so hellbent on proving that we're anti-feminist? Yes, we're anti-feminist...
/r/MensRights18/04/14 09:10 AM
1

Yeah, because a consistent 2200 strong voting block isn't suspicious at all...
/r/MensRights17/04/14 12:02 AM
-1

There’s also the very important fact that when a perpetrator is named, more survivors tend to come forward. Take for example, the case of John Worboys, the “Black Cab Rapist”. Once Worboys was named, a large quantity of survivors came forward, which helped to convict him. A valid point?
/r/MensRights15/04/14 08:37 AM
3

Get a different doctor.
/r/MensRights14/04/14 12:31 PM
2

I at least am opposed to feminism, not even because it is opposed to men, or downright hateful at times, I am opposed to feminism because they are wrong. They are wrong when they say rape or domestic violence is only perpetrated by men, they wrong when they say that there is a rape culture, and they are wrong when they say that women were and are oppressed by men. They aren't and they never were. They rewrote history to fit their own purposes, and that alone is enough for me to say: fuck'em.
/r/MensRights08/04/14 10:54 PM
1

OK
/r/MensRights08/04/14 07:31 PM
1

Seriously? This is gonna be your response?
/r/MensRights08/04/14 07:23 PM
7

Wow, the feminist who edited this basically just added the idiotic drivel some loony spat out. Everything about this addition screams 'irrelevant'. Good find OP.
/r/MensRights08/04/14 07:02 PM
1

I like your take on it. Yes, it's very well possible that women are on average better in PR for whatever reason, or that it just appeals more to them... no, that's not a problem, that's business. What would be a problem is when men would be excluded from having a chance of making it in PR-departments, and what is a problem is that that is the automatic assumption whenever feminists look at male dominated fields.
/r/MensRights08/04/14 06:51 PM
1

Both. Women face less violence as a whole. Intersectionality and all... Because they were a black civil rights activists upsetting the status-quo they were a target, because they were men knocking them senseless was acceptable. The point here isn't so much that we deserve the same consideration and admiration of civil rights leaders, the point is that whenever there is any form of violent confrontation, it is men who take on and face that violence. And they do it, so women don't have to. Men are…
/r/MensRights08/04/14 06:02 PM
0

yup.
/r/MensRights08/04/14 03:54 PM
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