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Funny, not funny.

xerogod

November 13, 2016
570 upvotes
/r/MensRights
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Title Funny, not funny.
Author

xerogod

Upvotes 570
Comments 51
Date November 13, 2016 6:01 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5cr3zi/funny_not_funny/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/funny-not-funny.937618
https://theredarchive.com/post/937618

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[–]bassist 184 points185 points186 points 9 years ago* (18 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, this is humor.

Humor.

I'm all for most of what I see in this subreddit. But one common criticism we have with women is that they can't take a joke.

Let's not be hypocrites.

[–]tallwheel 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I understand your point. We shouldn't be policing jokes or speech. I wouldn't ever say that someone shouldn't be allowed to joke about certain things.

BUT. Let's look at what the joke is here. The original version literally says that children are "pretty dumb" and then the punchline is that men/fathers are also "pretty dumb" just like children.

I think it deserves pointing out that this wouldn't be considered acceptable by the majority if aimed at women, or pretty much any other group. So, while I would never support banning such comics, I am all for calling them out in the court of public opinion.

[–]Pinuspalustris 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps more context would help. In the rest of these comics, the father is portrayed as loving and caring, he isn't an idiot, and he's usually set up as the main protagonist. I think this comic is just supposed to be self deprecating humor.

[–]tallwheel 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks. I've never seen any of this artists' other comics, so I just assumed he was supposed to look like an idiot at the end and that's that.

[–]Pinuspalustris 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No worries. As a stand alone, I can certainly see how this would look like the archetypal bumbling idiot. (As a side note, the comics are pretty good if you like heartwarming stuff. They have kind of a calvin and Hobbs feel)

[–]iloveopshit 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd like to thing that it's because it was reposted and not because of double standards.

[+]justthrowmeout -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reason why the first one is funny and the second one seems cruel goes to what humor actually is. I read the definition once but it's like an acute realization of a disparity between what is presented and reality. Basically when you see something that isn't quite right or contradicts the real world.

In the first joke...the man is set up to be made to look foolish or childish. There is a disparity between this and real life...men are the furthest you can be from a child. So this is funny.

In the second one...it hits too close to home. Women are a bit like children so this is more highlighting an uncomfortable truth then pointing out a disparity in what's presented vs reality.

[+][deleted] 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Badgerz92 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You weren't downvoted because of hypocrisy were downvoted for trying to make an obnoxious point in an /r/funny thread about an amusing comic. Lighten the fuck up and tone down your victim complex

[–]samsc2 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

The difference is that were trying to make a change with how the world views, treats, etc... men. So it's not that we can't take a joke it's just that we have so few opportunities to highlight the glaring issues and preconceived notions that are destroying the father figure which means we can't just let things go.

[–]hivemind_disruptor 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

that's the same reasoning the other side uses.

[–]tallwheel 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I, for one, am fine with the other side using that reasoning. I think it is good when they point out differences in how people think about and treat the sexes.

The point where the other side jumps the shark for me is when they campaign to ban such things as "hate speech", get certain things banned from TV, or get comedians banned from college campuses.

There's a huge difference, IMO, between pointing out a double-standard and asking for literal policing of speech. Let's just not do the latter. The former, however, I think is quite productive in examining how society works and views certain people and things.

[–]samsc2 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes they can use that excuse too but when they do it's wrong.

[–]hivemind_disruptor 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that's exactly their reasoning as well! we can say this and when men say it is wrong!

[–]samsc2 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that would make sense but you're ignoring the fact that the overall population ignores the plight of men. We don't have all the backing of regular society in everything. All of their feminist changes are all just to continue to make men's lives even worse or to grow that inequality at the detriment of men. So when we say men are trying to make change we know it's to actually create equality but when feminists say it we know it's to do more damage to society.

[+]bassist -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's cool, it just feels to me like this particular post is really reaching to find something to be offended about.

"See? This is just another example of the world treating men like idiots" sounds a lot like "See? This is just another example of the patriarchy objectifying women."

I really don't think the webcomic author really had some underlying message about gender issues on this one. But even if he/she did - it's a joke. There are a lot more harmful examples than this of how the world views, treats, etc... men.

EDIT: Guys, don't downvote him cause you disagree with him. Discussion is how to move forward, not downvotes.

[–]tompanz 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eh, political points aside, edited liberal comics are hilarious.

[–]BitchesBHating 53 points54 points55 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Ya I had the same thought about reversing it, when did men become the clowns of society where we play the butt of all jokes.

[–]Meyright 42 points43 points44 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We always have been, because men were always strong enough to take a hit. And men still are. I at least can still laugh about this joke. The thing is someone persists that men and women are equal. Fine, then let us point out their hypocrisy by flipping the genders!

[–]justthrowmeout 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I would like to stop the absurd cultural idea that men and women are equal. What does equal mean? It means essentially the same thing. 2 + 2 equals 4. That is to say the both ideas express something equal.

Bizarrely in this modern time it's controversial to say men and women aren't equal. We can't say they are not the same thing. But clearly they are not the same. It's like saying an apple is equal to an orange.

This isn't to say one sex is better. They are just very different with different strengths and weakness. Women have sexual power. Men have physical strength. These are at least two differences that are the least politically charged that most people are willing to accept.

[–]pyfgcrl2 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think most people just conflate the equality of the sexes, with equality of the sexes under the law.

[–]Meyright 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The question is, if men and women aren't equal, can they be under the law? I'm starting to think that doesn't work anymore and it's a bad deal for men.

[–]pyfgcrl2 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How and where would you draw the line though? I think it'd be fair to at least give them an equal chance and something and if women choose to not do it, then it's fine.

I'm starting to think you're talking about men and women in court, in which case men (at least in the USA, AFAIK) are already drawing the short straw...

[–]OnTheSlope 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A starting point would be to stop always giving the advantage to women in every disparity.

[–]McFeely_Smackup 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

when?

watch some old episodes of the dick van dyke show, or the honeymooners.

men have been the butt of the joke since TV was new.

[–]dontpet 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Buster Keaton, Charlie Chaplin, the three stooges, the Flintstones

[–]dazmo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Around the 90s

[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Gigolo_Jesus 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If we are to have true equality, we have to value each other as individuals independent of gender. We can't achieve it through dismissal of an entire gender's influence.

[–]bytor_2112 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe because it's a comment rather than its own post

[–]BaconPit 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe it's because the artist bases his comics on his family and you changed it around to fit an agenda in a subreddit that has nothing to do with MRA.

[–]CountVonVague 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This actually strikes a little close to home: Mom told me that she bet i wouldn't have the determination to join the wrestling team and that caused me to do it. still haven't forgiven her.

[–]SwiggityStag 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mine doesn't even bet me stuff, she just automatically acts like I won't do anything "useful" because I don't want to do the exact same thing she did with her life, and trying not to be treated like shit leads me to make stupid decisions, like now being stuck on a course that I hate to the point of it sinking me back into depression, but can't leave because I don't have £7000 to pay back.

[–]vonstt 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See: Family Guy, The Simpsons, etc.

[–]youreallmeatanyway 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Jeezus, guys, its a joke. Jooooooke.

We cannot mock feminists for getting all butthurt at jokes and then do exactly the same thing here, but then say "yeah, but this really isnt funny because, um, misandry or something".

[–]wanked_in_space 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I also would downvote the equivalent of a repost.

[–]Avannar 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The original comic isn't a commentary on gender. Do MRAs getting riled up over the original see no irony in their ability to take a joke? Isn't this what you guys mock SJWs over? Getting "triggered" by webcomics?

[–]ThirdTurnip 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see either of them as funny. Or horrendous.

[–]Drag0nV3n0m231 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't quite get it, whats the problem.

[–]Phat-Steve 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The husband and wife's roles are swapped

[–]avatarvszelda 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

up votes vs downvotes. not sure what OP was trying to accomplish though...

[–]Zuckerkitty 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not funny because the facial expressions in the last two panels of the edited version of the comic doesn't fit as a joke.

[–]numb3red 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see how this is sexist.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Was there a joke somewhere?

[–]SEXM0NEYPOWER 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Will neither upvote or downvote. Why? Neither were funny tbh.

[–]Bla34112 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a joke, a harmless one.

And they can tell that you're being butthurt about it, that's why there are downvotes

[–]pyfgcrl2 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Silly you! People aren't mind-readers!

[–]Bla34112 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, I'm guessing that he posted this as a link within the comment-section of the comic.

That's what it looks like at least.

[–]Beamazedbyme 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Crazy idea: what if both versions are funny, just the people who voted the second version down did so because they though the joke had nothing to do with gender?

[–]Sanctuary-71 point 9 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Apart from the fact that, as others mentioned, you posted this as a comment rather than its own post, the last two panels doesn't work with regards to the relation of the text to their facial expressions. This completely changes the tone of the comic which makes it unfunny, something OP is unable to to grasp.

The first has a man proud of his achievement, smiling to his wife, while the woman semi-patronizingly feigning surprise.

The second has a woman seemingly suffering anxiety about her parenting skills, while the husband is snickering at her anxiety.

[–]JonSnowsGhost -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What's the problem here?
You're butthurt or something because you got downvoted?
Or do you think you got downvoted because it portrays a man in a good fatherly role?
Or... ummmm... yeah, no idea what the issue you're trying to convey is.

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