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Your selling max short. Max, Julian and Owen were the main guys I leaned from. Max is essentially Owen style but more relatable since he’s normal. Todd probably belongs in the list too. Tons of great tips he has. But his game is about as boring as it gets. He probably gets results though.
/r/seduction21/07/26 06:58 PM
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Because “what you understand” is something only you know and not something myself or any others would know. And you act like it’s an allegation that you didn’t understand something. Why make such wild assumptions? People are going to respond to all sorts of things in a public forum.
/r/seduction06/07/26 06:02 PM
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His point is the guy is putting on an act. He thinks he needs to do this song and dance to get the girl and they have seen it 100 times. And tapping into Your authentic self and developing that is much more effective long term.
/r/seduction05/07/26 06:40 PM
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Running out of things to say has to do with over thinking. Usually you’re worried whatever you could say wouldn’t be good enough in some way. You’re thinking too much. The fix is to face the fear of saying the wrong thing, over and over. Once you have done this enough times, you won’t worry about what to say next. Anything will work. You won’t be in your head anymore. Self amusement can help a lot too. Make it a fun exercise.
/r/seduction05/07/26 06:01 PM
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Decisiveness, taking charge, leading, being the center of attention, confidence, social skills.
/r/seduction03/07/26 09:22 AM
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Game is social skills. It’s just a specific domain. Everything can help, but you need good social skills in man to woman frames.
/r/seduction02/07/26 11:44 AM
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There is a lot of advice you can get about night game. But most won’t matter at this point most likely. You only need to focus on two things. Opening. And adapting a positive mindset no matter what. That’s it. Just go out and have fun. Try starting conversations even is it’s just 10 seconds. And any negative thoughts you have, replace it with self amusement. Laugh at it. Then you will have reference experiences and something to work with. Try to improve every time you go out. Stretch yourself.
/r/seduction26/06/26 08:28 PM
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Your past isn’t going to matter in terms of having social success. It happened, but now is now. The past is over and not an excuse for lack of success now. There are a million ways to tackle this. But I would suggest go out to busy bars and clubs on the weekend. Try to learn how to meet people and be social there. Work the room, you are there to practice. Develop a mindset where you don’t care if you falter, or have any social awkwardness. You are there to take action, learn, and improve. Simult…
/r/seduction22/06/26 08:42 PM
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Where an app (and ai) can help is helping guys improve communication skills. If someone approaches and records conversations, feed that data into an app and have it make suggestions for improvements. It would be even better if the app can be improved over time by letting people train it on their own ideas of what is good/bad. Something even better would be to film approaches and get the feedback. But I’m not sure we are there yet in terms of tech.
/r/seduction12/06/26 04:23 PM
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It’s a game. Now that you did this, think about what you can try that would be different. Experiment. For instance, instead of saying hi, try opening with something as if you are already in a conversation. Just join in. Bring energy, self amuse, etc…
/r/seduction07/06/26 05:28 PM
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What exactly are you doing now? Is it all daytime approach? Have you tried night game? Online dating? Social circle? Have you combined multiple ways to meet women, or is it just day time approach?
/r/seduction27/05/26 02:59 PM
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There is likely nothing wrong with you. Develop a mindset where If your worst fear happens you simply will not care. Stop caring so much about what may happen. Let it happen. Laugh at it if it does. Stop thinking you have to prove yourself or live up to some expectation.
/r/seduction15/05/26 09:37 PM
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Can’t say I’ve seen it. I’ve seen Tyler’s, Julian’s, and Madison programs.
/r/seduction13/05/26 08:13 AM
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It’s a good list, but max’s program seems to be missing. It’s one of the best ones. Tyler’s program has some of the best infield of all time with breakdowns. If it’s cheap then it’s worth it for that. The main value is Tyler’s hot seat at home and Julian’s pimp.
/r/seduction13/05/26 07:48 AM
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If you really want to make this work, pick a few angles to put your effort into. Some options are, hobbies, bars and night game, day game, online dating, etc… If you just do day game, consider a coach. It’s not an easy way to go, but can be done. If you look at it as fun and social skill development instead of “effort” it will go a lot further.
/r/seduction09/05/26 05:00 PM
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Why is it more difficult to find someone special? Is it because you don't want to give up the lifestyle or having options with other attractive women?
/r/seduction20/04/26 01:52 PM
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You need to meet a lot of women. Learn how to chat them up. Then learn how to close. Basically, you need to get her out on a date by asking. Odds are you have attractive women around you, but you aren't starting conversations with them. So, start having more conversations with them.
/r/seduction20/04/26 01:48 PM
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Nothing has changed in terms of what works. Looks always played a role and it still does. But how you carry yourself, interact, social proof, etc… they all play a role. Some women you won’t be their type. Others you will be their type. That will always be a factor. Game is about putting out the best version of yourself and standing out from 99% of everyone else. It’s not a magic pill. Randomness still plays the biggest role imo.
/r/seduction13/04/26 07:45 PM
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I've been a musician for years. Played live on and off. Have lots of experiences with women through music. Being in a band can help and it can also be neutral. Its never bad though. Social proof is the top attraction trigger. And you can get that from playing music. Its when you have talent and the girl sees this, and others also see it, and people start responding to you as special. That's when you are playing the game at a different level. I have been at parties before where all the hot girls …
/r/seduction07/04/26 03:46 PM
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Don’t over think it. Just show up and try to be social from the beginning. Interact with people, push yourself to be social a little more than usual.
/r/seduction31/03/26 08:40 PM
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Spark attraction with younger or the same age? In either case, the same principles apply. Be a fun in the moment guy who isn’t trying to compensate for anything. In other words, you don’t have to put on an act. Just be fun and social. Women also like men who lead or take charge. Use your natural personality to convey these things. Don’t be a wall flower.
/r/seduction30/03/26 07:04 PM
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Does the town you live in have bars? Which ones are the most crowded on the weekends? Go there.
/r/seduction20/03/26 09:14 PM
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If you haven’t seen the YouTube channel “Alex forest” it could be worth checking out. He’s in his 50s, and is a very average guy and does regular daytime approach with younger women. But yes, plenty older guys dating younger women. One key thing is to ask yourself, what does a girl see when in your presence? Or when you approach? Is it an old guy trying to impress her? Or is it a cool guy she is caught up in conversation with? She will see what you present. Make the age invisible by becoming cha…
/r/seduction17/03/26 07:22 PM
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Your reaction should be “nothing is a big deal”. Take none of it seriously. Self amuse, have fun, be willing to let the set blow up. Winning the friends over is also something else that could’ve helped you.
/r/seduction13/03/26 09:37 PM
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The frame is you don't take everything they say or do seriously. You laugh it off so to speak. Another analogy people have used is puppies growling and gnawing at your pant leg. You laugh and push them away, but you don't get mad. They are just puppies playing. Just like the little sister example, you don't take the words/actions seriously.
/r/seduction02/03/26 04:08 PM
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You have to play the numbers game. And probably stop doing what you are currently doing all the time. Learn how to have fun and flirt with women more. Drop the idea of getting the number or the girl. Focus on fun. Let loose. Get the girls to have fun with you. Say provocative things. Tease them. Take a few risks. This should be a process of improving your social skills. Look at it that way. Once you can do this with alot of women per month, then escalate in your interactions. It will seem natura…
/r/seduction13/02/26 08:47 PM
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In that case I’d either avoid those subreddits or create a second account and use that.
/r/seduction04/02/26 08:10 PM
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I’ve made thousands of comments here and I’ve never been banned from another sub because of it. Are you sure it’s because of this sub?
/r/seduction04/02/26 05:33 PM
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I’m natural, but I’m not a body builder. I’ve always thought this physique is best. To me the ideal body is the statue of David. Not a huge bodybuilder. But, either is good. The key thing is balance and proportion. Over development throws everything off. And once in shape, get tailored shirts. You will be maxing your look.
/r/seduction28/01/26 09:20 PM
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Try to think of the most basic thing you can do. Just say hi and offer a compliment. I like your shoes, or I like your style, or whatever. Then say "Have a nice day" and walk off. If you feel inclined, keep the conversation going. After you have done this for a bit, start writing field reports. These are journals you write about your interactions and what you need to improve on. This is what it all comes down to. Strike up conversations, do your best, then later think about how you can improve. …
/r/seduction16/01/26 10:53 PM
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Bar tenders, bouncers, and anything that involves public speaking should be good. I had a friend that was a valet where he parked cars at a hotel in NYC. He would talk about and show pics of all the women he was dating he met from his job. They were all top tier. This was online so not everyone believed him. But, its possible his job provided this access. Some types of sales has people taking clients out for lunch or dinner. They also give presentations to crowds and groups sometimes. That has p…
/r/seduction15/01/26 03:41 PM
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You would need to have access to these women, first. So, be in a social enviornment they are in. If you are her type and she is available, then make a connection. You can call this social skills, game or whatever you want. But, quite a few things need to line up for it to happen. There are a million variables. But, if you are someone who stands out from the crowd or has social status of some kind, that can help. These women have lots of options. You just have to be in the right place at the righ…
/r/seduction14/01/26 04:43 PM
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Unless someone comes along who has done 5000 approaches, this is going to come down to you experimenting and figuring it out. Is there any chance you are blaming your looks for lack of leveling up your game more? What do you think the sticking point is? Is it possible it’s something other than your looks? Do you think this is a negative mindset you have and you may be holding yourself back?
/r/seduction13/01/26 09:02 PM
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I didn’t read all of it, but you come across as authentic. It seems you were influenced by rsd which I connected with the most out of all the content I’ve seen. My biggest sticking point is taking action. I blame my location as a place where not alot of opportunities exist during the day, and still need to get out to do nightgame. My location isn’t terrible, tons of people live here. But it’s the suburbs. Not the city. What would you advise someone in a situation like this? I realize it’s mostly…
/r/seduction12/01/26 10:08 PM
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So, rsd tyler was in the book and went on to form the company RSD. They took things to the next level with natural game. It's not about routines and lines, but more about how the right words flow out of you when you are in the zone. Good game is less about what you say, and more about who you are and how people react to you. The words mattered much less. Most modern coaches teach some form of this. These guys still used lines and gambits, but the focus was on what naturals were doing. Most guys …
/r/seduction06/01/26 08:53 PM
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Its an old book. There are better ways now, but it's still worth reading. One good thing about this book is Style (aka neil strauss) is a great writer. So, its a fun read and will pull you into this world of game and pickup. At least how it was back then when most didn't know about it. It will expose you to old techniques, some ideas that are still relevant today, and it will motivate you to go out and approach. It is a good book. Try to remember, most people read books like this, watch videos, …
/r/seduction06/01/26 03:59 PM
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Many people who learn game go through an “ego crushing” phase. You have to destroy the ego so it doesn’t get in your way. It doesn’t always help you.
/r/seduction17/12/25 08:31 PM
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Learn how to strike up conversations with attractive women. Its not rocket science, you just have to take the risk and start up conversations. Practice until your nerves are under control. Have a few canned questions you can go to, and stick to those in the beginning. If you can do well without them, even better. Add to that, try to have a fun vibe. Any time you can twist things and use humor, do it. But, don't be try hard. Make it natural. Think, self amusement, not stand up comedy. Adapt a min…
/r/seduction16/12/25 10:36 PM
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There is way more content than what you saw on youtube. Its 6+ hours of infield breakdowns. If you have the money I would recommend it. Its just infield, so you won't improve just by watching it. But, it's the best infield of all time in my view. Owen spent so much more time and money filming it. Most coaches just won't put that much effort into a product. You will gain a lot of insights into cold approach. It should motivate you to go out and approach. Highly recommend.
/r/seduction09/12/25 07:25 PM
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Actually I thought she was in her 20s. But it doesn’t matter. Nothing wrong with consenting adults having conversations. You can criticize lying about my age by a few years, but millions of people do it. How many people on dating apps do it? Do you hate all of them too? The world exists with age gap relationships. Get over it. Or don’t.
/r/seduction08/12/25 10:52 PM
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You’re referring to normal conversations between two people where there was an age gap. And I said I was a few years younger than I was like millions of people do. Big deal. And that is what you are reacting to. People are allowed to have conversations. And if it escalated to dating, they have a right to do that too. There are millions of people who got married when the wife was late teens (legal) and the husband was in his 30s. Feel free to ride your white horse with these issues, but it’s not …
/r/seduction08/12/25 10:06 PM
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What’s more sad, that two people who were adults had a possible dating future , or the effects social conditioning has had on you that makes you think there is something wrong with it.
/r/seduction08/12/25 07:37 PM
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Women can switch from attracted to not attracted very fast. I had a girl that was into me in college. She was doing all the normal things to trigger my interest. Everything was going great. This went on for weeks. And then she asked me how old I was. I said 27. That was it. Game over. Everything went from hot to cold. She said she thought I was 23. She was 18 and social conditioning has a big influence on her. Funny thing was I was 31 at the time. I later thought I should have lied about my age …
/r/seduction08/12/25 05:22 PM
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Social media companies made a decision that pickup videos were wrong and not allowed. I doubt it had much to do with Julian from rsd. But, for anyone that was around back then, there were really controversial videos. Guys filming pickups, taking the girl home, then recording her during sex without her consent. Things like that. People were pushing the edge with pickup content and the platforms decided to ban it all. Now its normalized a bit and the platforms do allow infield footage again. But, …
/r/seduction05/12/25 04:17 PM
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You don’t know what to say because you think whatever you would say, it won’t be good enough. Or you may be judged. Or the words will be wrong in some way. So you get paralyzed and go blank. It’s common. You simply have to cross that line and face the fear that your words may not be good enough. And say whatever comes to your mind anyway. Consider self amusement. That’s what you say. Whatever seems amusing or funny to you in the moment. Don’t try to “think” of the right words or topic. No thinki…
/r/seduction04/12/25 09:03 PM
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3-4 girls per night is probably not enough. You could also consider combining night game, daygame, and online to up the numbers game. Or just go out more. Also, these results is how the game works. You need to improve your social skills. You aren’t standing out. You probably come across like every other guy, so they ignore you. How can you be more fun and engaging off the open? What can you experiment with? Don’t just keep doing what isn’t working. A pickup coach used to say that he watches his …
/r/seduction04/12/25 10:53 AM
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You have three types of women in this context: Yes, no, and maybe girls. First, are women who only date men in their age range. That’s 5 years or so from their own age. These are women who can be into a guy, finds out about his age, then loses all interest. The age gap affects them. It’s social conditioning, but real. These are what we call “no girls”. Then there are the “maybe girls”. These are women who usually date guys who are their own age. But if a guy is older and she likes him, it’s not …
/r/seduction28/11/25 01:05 PM
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There are probably several things you can try. But one game technique if other guys are trying to wreck your set is to get the guy to brag about himself . Act like his friend and encourage him to start trying to impress the girl. He may talk about his money, the job he has, or some other thing. Just say things like “wow, you must make good money doing that.” Act like you’re impressed. It’s needy behavior and a turn off for women when guys try to impress them like that. But many guys can’t resist…
/r/seduction23/11/25 03:20 AM
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Your main vibe should be having fun. Your not attached to any outcome, you just want to have fun with people with a little risk taking. Don't adapt a "Please like me" vibe. Think of self amusement. The main reason you get those negative responses is the vibe you are putting off. Don't be serious or boring. And never take anything personally. If you had to guess, what do you think is your sticking point? Where do you think your interactions are going wrong? What would you like to improve?
/r/seduction23/11/25 02:30 AM
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No one will know the answer to this because most aren’t going out and approaching every week and then traveling to various cities to compare . And most people want to blame their own location for lack of success. I will say this. Guys who are serious about pickup never make excuses such as their location sucks, or some other reason. They put it upon themselves to figure it out. I do think location can be a big factor. But most cities will have ways to meet women and provide opportunities.
/r/seduction29/10/25 07:29 AM
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This is a sound approach. But, how many attractive women will you actually cross paths with? Location may matter as some places have more attractive women than others. But if you do all these things and there aren’t many attractive women to meet, you will still have to find those locations where they are at. That’s the reason people do night game. It’s generally the place where the most attractive women will be in one place.
/r/seduction21/10/25 10:37 AM
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Mystery was verified by enough credible people in my view to conclude he got the results that were claimed. His method is one for people that want to use a script for almost everything they do. The best pickups I’ve seen were from guys who used their own personalities and learned how to have more natural game. So, they don’t use MM. Mystery’s method can work. Nothing wrong with trying out parts of it. But OP is likely needing to go out and do approaches with consistency. For most guys just going…
/r/seduction14/10/25 06:03 PM
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Indirect is not telling her you thought she was attractive right off the bat. It's what most people think of as a normal conversation. So, if you say "I like those shoes. Where did you get them?" that would be indirect. Direct is the opposite, where you tell the girl she is attractive on the open. One other thing, an issue many guys have in general, is they don't make the conversation man to woman. Its friend to friend and there is no spark. Indirect can sometimes lead to this issue. But, if you…
/r/seduction23/09/25 01:56 PM
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You may want to just keep it simple. Main thing is to have fun. Look at it as a social experiment and don't take anything personally. Learn to laugh at anything negative that happens. Catch yourself if you start to think negative in any way. Keep it light and fun. Think, self amusement. You can start with short interactions if you like. You can also do the "I'm new to this" type of approach. Just tell the girl you have never approached like this before, or you are new to this, etc... This can br…
/r/seduction23/09/25 01:44 PM
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There are no secrets. There isn’t a book or video product that is going to magically change anything. Learn basic fundamentals of good game. Learn what most women respond to and find attractive. Learn what most guys sticking points are. It’s ok to binge watch or read some material on this subject. But focus on the core fundamentals of the kind of guy most women are attracted to. We all have these traits. You don’t need much beyond this. Then go out and experiment. Meet women, approach, go on dat…
/r/seduction09/09/25 04:36 PM
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The coaches I learned from looked at cold approach like the gym for your social skills. It’s about social skill improvement, having fun, and connecting with women. If it’s all about results, you can get burnt out from that. It’s when you love the process and lifestyle that it seems more sustainable. And most modern coaches today talk about combining cold approach with other things like online, social circle, etc…
/r/seduction03/09/25 08:36 PM
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Your problem is you care. You have to not care and have fun with it. Most guys get there by combining positive mindsets with lots of practice. Consider combining cold approach with something else like online dating. Approaching may not be enough by itself.
/r/seduction31/08/25 12:59 PM
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I’m in my 50s and you can definitely do this at this age. I wouldn’t waste too much time reading books or watching videos. There isn’t any super secret knowledge. Just some mindsets and some basic understandings. If you are new to game, watch coach Kyle’s videos on YouTube. He’s a pickup coach and he does coach guys in their 50s. There are other coaches too. Just watch a handful of infields to see what cold approach looks like. Learn some basic mindsets and common mistakes guys make. Main thing,…
/r/seduction26/08/25 02:02 AM
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I find it funny that game is about leveling yourself up so you can stand above the competition, yet guys want to go to cities with low competition. That said, the ratios you should be looking for isn’t male to female. It’s hotness level. You want places with lots of options with attractive women. Not a low male to female ratio of twos and threes.
/r/seduction25/08/25 04:24 PM
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I can tell you what a girl did to me once. She found a way to be alone with me. And then moved closer and closer in proximity until her face was right next to mine. It was obvious what was happening. Then she said “do you want to?” No more words were said, it was a one night stand. The conversation wasn’t logical. I was playing guitar and she was on her knees right up close in the end while I was sitting in a chair. She became my girlfriend after that, but it was a one night stand at the time. T…
/r/seduction22/08/25 08:59 PM
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There will be a time where AI can play a role in seduction communities. But you have to train the models with the right content. A better way to look at it is one pickup coach can train a model to think like he does. That’s currently. Where there is a lot of promise is for infields and training. Models will get to a point where they can create infields where you can see every detail and communication inflection. It will be accurate. People will also be able to film themselves and hide the identi…
/r/seduction22/08/25 08:51 PM
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Exactly. That’s the difference. Be your true authentic self. Don’t compensate and put on a show to impress people.
/r/seduction19/08/25 04:18 PM
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Everyone who hasn't seen it should watch it. Especially if you are over 30. But, its not realistic with young hot women in their prime throwing themselves at him. Its part of what makes the show entertaining. But, they did get some things right as well. It's a great show for motivation.
/r/seduction16/08/25 01:22 AM
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Its nothing really technical. You just have to do it. Two places alot of guys have trouble with is making it clear its a man to woman conversation, or convey in some way that the girl is a dating prospect (showing intent). And then closing. Mostly because guys just don't do it. They talk and talk and never get to asking the girl out. You can search this sub for tips on everything under the sun. So, just search for closing if you want tips. You can also watch youtube videos of guys closing infiel…
/r/seduction11/08/25 09:45 PM
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Put your focus on meeting people and improving your social skills. Get better with people in general and put yourself out there enough to meet lots of people. Most guys wouldn't have much trouble if they simply met alot of people. You may not have the highest batting average, but you're probably not looking for loads of options. You're probably looking for a few girls to date and a potential girlfriend. So, focus on being more social in general. Just remember, you aren't getting there by doing n…
/r/seduction11/08/25 01:04 PM
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Anyone can do it if they are dedicated. It only takes a few days/nights per week. 30-50 approaches per week is all it takes. 10 approaches 3x per week will work. I agree it is location dependent. You need access to the right areas and venues. Otherwise there won’t be enough women to approach or to practice. Although there is nothing wrong with mixing cold approach with other activities such as online dating. And I also think pua coaches act like it’s this really hard monumental thing that will t…
/r/seduction11/08/25 11:19 AM
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These are mostly quick lines you can throw in when the situation is right. “Excuse me miss…my eyes are up here” can be said if she glances down or around your crotch in any way. “ I can’t go home with you…I’m too shy” works well if you are being extroverted. “Are you cheating on me already? “I know im white, I’m dorky, and I’m short…I just wanted to say hi” example of self deprecating humor. Said in a care free self amusing way. These are good in response to any behavior you want to push back on…
/r/seduction10/08/25 10:16 AM
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Consider some of the questions you asked. I mention this because you’re asking what women think about age gaps. Reframe this to not care. Game isn’t about trying to please everyone or live up to anyone else’s expectations. That’s not leader behavior. Game is about learning how to deal with social pressure despite the circumstances. Nothing can get to you, it’s all fun. Reframe this mindset to not care if you are judged about your age. You will come across as more attractive. This is how most guy…
/r/seduction09/08/25 07:34 PM
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I have had sex with women before by playing guitar/singing. One circumstance, we were alone at my place. But, she was already down. The song may have helped, but not sure. Nothing compares to emotional piano playing in front of a crowd and receiving applause afterwards. Its the strongest attraction trigger I've ever experienced. Its something about being the center of attention, the music being moving and emotional, the reactions from the crowd, etc... I've done this at parties and had the hotte…
/r/seduction07/08/25 07:09 PM
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You can find wings when you go out and approach. If you go out enough you will probably see other guys doing cold approach. Many people have met wings that way. The other way is some coaches now are putting together communities. Its not the same as in person wings since this is online. But, it's another way you can interact with others. You can also connect with people on this sub. If you see anyone mention a location, or they are looking for wings, you can connect. Just be upfront about your ex…
/r/seduction07/08/25 07:01 PM
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Try to deal with your sticking points. Address them, then keep leveling up. This is mostly assuming you have a sticking point to going out alone. If you don't, then maybe you start at a more advanced level, such as walking into the venue and trying to talk to everyone. work the room so to speak. But most struggle to just walk into a venue, so here is something you can try if this is you. Walking into a bar alone feels weird. It's called the spotlight effect. It's normal to feel like everyone is …
/r/seduction06/08/25 03:33 PM
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Most women try to make it obvious they want the guy to take action . Problem is most guys are lost in this area. They have no idea. So, you can make it obvious by paying more attention to them, getting closer in proximity. Or just flirt. Make the conversation about dating, or something of a similar subject. Make it playful not serious and logical. There will be a point he will know. Or just be direct. Put your cards in the table and get a yes or no. Your ego may not be ready for it, but this wou…
/r/seduction04/08/25 06:33 PM
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You aren't running out of things to say. What's happening is you are filtering yourself. You think what you could say in the moment isn't good enough, or maybe you will be judged, so you hesitate and try to wait for something good enough to say. The skill is to become unfiltered. Learn how to say whatever is natural and not worry about saying the wrong thing. No thinking, no waiting for the right words. It's about becoming a master of the moment where you not in your head about anything. And you…
/r/seduction04/08/25 01:10 PM
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Anyone can get good at game. It’s social skills and anyone can improve. Good coaches teach the mindsets and inner game that is necessary to succeed and it sounds like OP is focusing on results too much. The focus should be on your game, having fun with the lifestyle, and making small improvements. Be curious about what may work. Be fascinated by social dynamics. Look for small wins and steady improvement over time. Keep the game fun.
/r/seduction02/08/25 11:08 AM
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Here are a few things you can do. First, this is a field tested routine for handling guys who are AMOGs. But, for any white knight it should be the same. Act like a friend to the guy if possible. Don't get reactive, keep you vibe friendly. If you can get the guy to brag about himself he will blow himself out. Ask him what he does for a living or anything that will get him talking about his own accomplishments to try and impress the girl. Most guys can't resist this and because they have no game …
/r/seduction01/08/25 01:48 PM
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What you described isn’t unusual. Most people go through something like this. Best thing is to keep it simple. Just approach someone and say something. Just ask where the nearest Starbucks is. Start there. Over time keep leveling up. You want to get to a point where you’re not afraid to let your intentions be known. You approached because you thought she was cute, looked interesting, liked her look, or whatever. Let her know. But for now, just start with a simple question. Then level up.
/r/seduction29/07/25 08:48 PM
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When you get older it will make more sense. You won’t continue to have the options you have now. Meeting new women is a function of a social life that gives you options to meet women. That will likely go away when you get a little older.
/r/seduction29/07/25 09:49 AM
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I have it. Definitely recommend. Especially the hot seat infields. I connected with max’s style more than most other coaches. The infields will show you some things you may not know is possible until you see it demo’d. Max learned from Tyler’s teachings, but it’s more relatable because max is normal lol. But yes, if you can get it, do it. For a pickup product it’s worth it.
/r/seduction25/07/25 07:03 PM
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Just be careful. Read the situation. If they don’t want to talk to you and they give you signs to leave, be sure to leave.
/r/seduction22/07/25 07:48 PM
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Every time you experience something like this look at it as an opportunity to level up your social skills. You’re not good in these situations. No big deal. Try to think of what you could have done differently, and next time try some of them out. Seek out more situations just like this again so you can practice and improve. It’s just social skills and you just need practice. That’s it.
/r/seduction22/07/25 10:06 AM
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It’s your communication skills and what your projecting to these girls. That’s why you get friend zoned. Attraction for women is based on how they feel when they are around an attractive guy. It’s why communication skills and male behaviors matter so much. Try to figure out what vibe you are projecting and work on fixing it.
/r/seduction18/07/25 09:44 AM
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I’m going to say learn to be more expressive. A monotone voice is something you want to fix or improve. Not just accept. What you described sounds like beginner problems you should be working on and trying to improve. You need to show emotion.
/r/seduction16/07/25 06:41 PM
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Your success will be based on luck with that outlook.
/r/seduction16/07/25 10:21 AM
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You are probably creating a lot of this yourself. Most guys get lucky or have access to a social circle that gives them opportunities. So I doubt your friends all have no issues with women. If you want to do well with women, then become someone who is attractive and meet alot of women. And by attractive I mean become the type of person women would want to date. It’s not being something you’re not, it’s developing yourself and your social skills. Get social. Meet lots of people. Work on your game…
/r/seduction16/07/25 10:19 AM
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Experiment with finding a balance between the back and forth banter and making a connection. The idea is you will be one on one with the girl and she will start to qualify herself to you, eventually. Every pickup is different, but in general its attraction -> comfort building. It sounds like you are in attraction the whole time. You can experiment with two things. One, try to be normal. Make a connection with the girl. Try to get one on one time with her. Don't just be a nice guy, but mix the tr…
/r/seduction15/07/25 01:37 PM
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I think most guys aren’t taking action. You need practice. And Some lack the fundamental mindsets which the OP is referring to.
/r/seduction10/07/25 11:56 PM
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There are people who have both. But some guys who learn game are taking charge to overcome a few issues. Looks, shyness, etc… But looks is mostly irrelevant if you have no game. You could be a 10 and if your nervous, unsure of yourself and boring you have a 1% chance of doing well. You need to break out of that by putting a little self development effort in.
/r/seduction10/07/25 02:49 PM
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Read these books for perspectives. But talking to women is where 90% of the growth is.
/r/seduction09/07/25 08:11 AM
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I learned this from the RSD coaches, but they were big on natural game and you can say just about anything to open. People debate this, but I've seen infields with the most off the wall openers that worked. The idea is that your vibe matters more. One style (credit to rsd tyler) is to start talking to them as if you already know them. The idea is the set is already open. Just start talking as if its a person or group you already know. Its almost like a mid conversation opener. Transition is easi…
/r/seduction08/07/25 01:45 PM
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In general an indirect approach while conveying intent and directness in your body language should be good most of the time. Sometimes you will get a big green light when approaching. The girl will be smiling and very welcoming. Going direct makes sense in these situations. Its all based on the signals you are getting back from the girl. Read the situation and communicate with common sense. But the bigger problem isn’t how to open. It’s practicing approaching with consistency. Without that, how …
/r/seduction08/07/25 10:15 AM
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Bars and clubs are likely to be your best bet in most places. Just walk around and look at the approach opportunities you have in bars vs walking around during the day. In most locations it will always be bars and clubs.
/r/seduction05/07/25 04:11 PM
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As the OP Said, it’s hard to find attractive women that way. They go out to bars so they are all in one place. But during the day you can walk around all day and hardly see any attractive women. This is location dependent, but some locations don’t have tons of attractive women walking around.
/r/seduction30/06/25 11:40 AM
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That’s called over gaming. The girl isn’t going to be into a dancing monkey. You need a balance.
/r/seduction27/06/25 12:29 AM
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The best advice I can give you is don’t look for advice to this in books or anywhere else thinking it’s going to change much. This is going to require you to throw yourself into situations you are not comfortable in, and learn from experience. You build confidence from experiencing these situations, over and over, and making adjustments until you start getting positive outcomes. Then you will build confidence. You have to take risks. Most of this is probably in your head. But you still need to g…
/r/seduction26/06/25 09:17 PM
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You will need to make a connection with the girl after attraction is established. And that is most of what seduction is. It’s not teasing the whole time.
/r/seduction26/06/25 08:24 PM
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Cold approach is the gym for your social skills. Its also a rewarding lifestyle of social activity, meeting people, and having fun with women. The OP is viewing cold approach as an activity you do to get the girl. And that is just a misunderstanding of it. Its practice. Its a lifestyle. And it can get you women. There is more value in doing approaches than just getting the girl. That's the difference. You are improving your attractiveness and social skills by doing cold approach. And you can get…
/r/seduction26/06/25 04:04 PM
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This wasn’t bad. You gained some experience from it. But it sounds like she was leading you. Sometimes girls can get like this and they expect you to be “that guy”. But the spark isn’t there due to the frame that is established. Next time try leading more, and try to convey a Man to women vibe. Do this by the way you look at her, talk to her, communicate, etc… don’t be serious the whole time either. Have fun. Be a cocky little bastard at times if that’s part of your personality and feels right.
/r/seduction25/06/25 08:50 PM
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I’m in the same age range. if your in shape at this age it can go a long way. Makes you look much younger since 99% of 50 somethings look old due to being way out of shape. But game is the same. It’s all the same principals. I will say if your going to have something not entirely in your favor, age is one of the better ones. If your game is on point, the girl won’t see an old guy. they will see a fun, interesting, charismatic guy.
/r/seduction25/06/25 08:24 PM
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You have to cross that line and push your comfort zone. Face what you fear a little and realize it’s not a big deal. Then, eventually you will have a few wins and your confidence will grow. And then you will realize you had it in you all along. It may take some personal development to get there. And interacting with women in a less pressure type of environment may be helpful. But, you have to cross that line and realize it’s not a big deal.
/r/seduction25/06/25 08:12 PM
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Then you have to work on your communication skills. They should be laughing with you.
/r/seduction25/06/25 07:13 AM
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You don’t have to over think it. Just have fun with people. Do that instead of a logical information exchange. Watch some Craig furgeson videos. See how he’s not serious and has fun exchanges with women.
/r/seduction25/06/25 03:48 AM
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I can imagine your approaches are very logical, very normal conversation. Think of self amusement where you don’t really care what happens. You just want to have fun with people. Say a few off the wall things, tease a bit, all in a self amusing way. Or a confident way. Never take any of it seriously. Say things you would never say normally. Mix this in with normal conversation. You have to not care what happens and focus on the moment instead. It’s a vibe. But get out of logic mode.
/r/seduction24/06/25 09:08 PM
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Go to house parties and college bars when you get to the university. This may depend on if you have a circle of friends that go out or not. But college towns are loaded with attractive women. House parties and bars should have lots of opportunities. If your 18, you may have to wait before you can go to bars. But, focus on parties until then.
/r/seduction18/06/25 07:05 PM
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This is the correct mindset. When you don’t care and are free and are having fun, women will be drawn to guys like this.
/r/seduction18/06/25 04:35 PM
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The issue you are likely having is you are reluctant to say or do something outside your comfort zone. Interview mode is your comfort zone. It’s what you are used to. Take a few risks and start saying things that feel a little risky. Self amuse. Make a cold read. Take any conversational topic and twist it. Find something that makes you laugh. Tease her a bit with it. Show sexual or flirty intent. Main thing is you need to leave your place of comfort and take a few risks. You may think you don’t …
/r/seduction18/06/25 03:50 PM
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The infieds I've seen from coaches varies, but one way is to move the girl from the dance floor to another location. That's the main purpose when you open. Focus on the move. When you do this she may look around to see if people are looking at her. But, if you keep her attention on you it can make it smoother. Have a quick interaction off the open. Don't expect any long form conversations to emerge. You have to generate interest or attraction, then lead off the dance floor.
/r/seduction16/06/25 02:02 PM
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I’m older than you and I can tell you it isn’t too late. One thing that stands out is your beliefs of being too old or being creepy. Both signal that you care what other people think. You have to remember, this is a game of confidence and being able to handle social pressure. You want to switch from worrying about what people think to having fun with the process. Develop a mindset that throwing yourself into the fire and learning to handle the social pressure is game. Focus on building the skill…
/r/seduction10/06/25 11:58 AM
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5’8 doesn’t sound that bad to me. But being around the pickup community for a number of years, I’ve seen many examples of short guys crushing it. Some of them like 5’3. They all have one thing in common. They refused to use it as an excuse and leveled up by taking a lot of action. Guys who are good at game never make excuses about height, looks, etc… That isn’t to say you need to be a pickup artist. But, build up your confidence by getting a few wins. Once you get a few positive reference experi…
/r/seduction07/06/25 10:32 PM
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Have better game. Be her type.
/r/seduction06/06/25 05:51 PM
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In that case, your sticking point might be something else. Like I said, ask the girls. See what feedback you get. And if you can learn to enjoy the process a bit more it may not be a big deal. If there is an outcome you want, and it doesn’t happen that can be disappointing. But if you know this is the game, you can learn to enjoy the process regardless of whether you get the girl or not. Just always be learning and improving.
/r/seduction03/06/25 04:15 PM
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You have to figure out why these girls don't want to go past 1 - 2 dates. It's a sticking point just like any other. If you have ever heard of the lover vs provider paradigm, that could have something to do with this. Girls usually put you into one of two categories. The provider is a nice guy, she can introduce him to her friends, they seem trustworthy, but not exactly the hottest guy. These are the type of guys that makes practical sense to date, but she's not overly attracted to him. These ar…
/r/seduction03/06/25 01:00 PM
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The reason you run out of things to say is because you’re worried about saying the wrong thing, or you don’t want to take the risk, your worried about being judged, etc… Having things to say isn’t the issue. The issue is you are reluctant to speaking without filters. At least in these situations. Practice filling in the space with whatever comes to mind. You can improve as you practice more. But talking without filter is your problem. You’re not doing it right now. It’s a social skill you can de…
/r/seduction29/05/25 06:55 PM
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I actually thought the OP was using sarcasm. Didn't think he was being serious lol.
/r/seduction29/05/25 03:32 PM
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There are people who have done thousands of approaches for years in nearly every situation. They've also coached thousands of students so they know the most common sticking points. If you want to write off someone with experience, that's your choice. But, some of these guys are the most experienced in game. The difficulty is you don't know who has put in the development and who hasn't. And some guys get to a baseline of skill and stop there. They never stretch themselves so they don't get good. …
/r/seduction29/05/25 03:26 PM
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I think the biggest problem is guys thinking they will look batter or be more attractive when using steroids to get big. But, That’s not more attractive than a natural body. Most women would say the statue of David is the ideal male body. Not a juiced up bodybuilder. It’s not a terrible look at all. But low bodyfat, decent natural muscle development, balance and symmetry of the muscles, and wearing fitted or tailored clothes will maximize most guys looks. Low bodyfat is key. You have to develop …
/r/seduction28/05/25 10:43 AM
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They can be boring. But that’s only if you keep it a safe and logical conversation. As long as you follow up with teasing, or misinterpretation, or something along those lines, then it doesn’t matter. If you can improvise instead of using those questions, even better.
/r/seduction21/05/25 08:49 AM
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Here is the technical part. The reason you don’t have things to say is because you don’t want to be judged for saying the wrong thing. Or fumbling over your words, or something you’re not confident in. That’s all it is. It’s why drunk people can let loose but have the same problem when sober. Your playing it safe. The simple part is you need to talk without filter while doing things that adds to the fun. These aren’t things you put on an act to do. They are real things that are funny to you. It …
/r/seduction20/05/25 03:58 PM
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Try to get better from this. Next time try to make this a fun self amusing experience. Don’t be serious. Make it not a big deal. Look at it as an exercise to learn to laugh at yourself.
/r/seduction16/05/25 12:02 AM
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Approach anxiety generally means you lack enough positive reference experiences and are thinking about outcomes. It seems you simply need to practice approaching over and over again and practice self amusing the whole thing. You care too much about what may happen. Stop thinking. Just go in and turn it into a fun game. Find things that make you laugh. Find something funny about the interaction and be positive after each approach. In between approaches is just as important as your actual approach…
/r/seduction14/05/25 03:39 AM
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There is no better place to practice and gain access to the most opportunities than bars. Definitely take advantage of it.
/r/seduction11/05/25 03:48 PM
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One beer isn’t likely to make much of a difference, unless it’s a huge beer like a pint. And don’t depend on alcohol. It’s a crutch and you will need it every time you want to approach. The Better thing is learn how to remove the outcome, stop caring so much about what happens, stop thinking so much, and do it naturally. Get the same mindset without the alcohol.
/r/seduction09/05/25 04:25 PM
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Make friends with her. Involve her in some of your interactions. You need to win over the friends or it’s usually going to be a problem.
/r/seduction07/05/25 06:24 PM
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Appreciate the insight. The thing about clubs is they can have the biggest crowds and hottest girls. Just a lot of other bs. And daytime locations are great, but many guys aren’t going to find enough volume in these places. It seems spreading yourself across many of these locations would be ideal.
/r/seduction06/05/25 03:46 PM
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Have a conversation with her that is normal and playful. Say something to get her laughing or something that is an emotional spike. Then ask for the number, or ask to meet her outside of work. The point is, create an emotional high point, then ask for the number.
/r/seduction06/05/25 10:00 AM
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Make the next skill to work on the ability to talk without filter. Learn how to keep talking and adding things to the conversation. Add self amusement to avoid boring topics. Mix normal flatline conversation with self amused humor. Find a balance. Avoid overly logical conversations. Spike it up with something fun, or sarcastic, or playful. But learn how to talk without filter.
/r/seduction05/05/25 11:30 AM
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One pickup technique you can use is to encourage him to brag about himself. Act like his friend, and get him to say how great he thinks he is. Or anything else that is a brag of some kind. Most guys can’t resist doing this. They think they are impressing the girl. It’s needy beta behavior and the girl can see this a mile away. Let him blow himself out. This behavior repels women. Then act normal, don’t be triggered or reactive to anything. You will have higher status than they guy. In some cases…
/r/seduction04/05/25 05:10 PM
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You can do more than 12 sets. Don’t look at them as sets and learn to talk to everyone. The million dollar mouthpiece, work the room. Don’t use scripted openers. Learn to use natural game to bounce from one group to another. Have fun, self amuse, talk to people unfiltered.
/r/seduction04/05/25 12:13 PM
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No one will know about the best coach since most aren’t trying them all out. And Vegas is usually a great place to learn game. Many coaches teach out of Vegas.
/r/seduction01/05/25 08:01 PM
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Read the game. It’s the most motivating and entertaining read because style is a great writer. It will motivate you to get into the game. Just don’t get stuck on the techniques or principles. Seek other sources as you move on.
/r/seduction01/05/25 07:59 PM
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Say something fun, self amusing, non serious, sarcastic, or anything along those lines. Make it playful. You will loosen up and so will she. You won’t need to think about what to say, because you will be having fun. That’s the kind of conversation you want. It will set the tone. Nothing is serious or logical. Be normal and relatable to the girl. But take a few social risks and see what you can do.
/r/seduction30/04/25 01:12 AM
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Positive reference experiences. You need to accumulate wins that build your confidence. The paradox is that you need to fail before you can stack many wins. Go talk to women, get reference experiences. Get in good shape and like what you see in the mirror. Be on your path and purpose. Be sure your life is amazing with or without women. And pay attention to your self talk. That conversation in your head needs to become one that expects things to go well. Not one that focuses on all the downsides.
/r/seduction29/04/25 10:57 AM
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Don’t have logical conversations. Have playful self amusing ones. Sexualize them by doing things like accusing the girl of hitting on you. If you’re having normal platonic conversations, that’s likely your problem. Take a few risks and see what happens. Have fun with it.
/r/seduction26/04/25 10:04 AM
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I think social circle should be emphasised more. The best results come from a guy most girls want to date. Cold approach is going from nothing to something. You have no status when cold approaching and you are hoping to trigger attraction and make a connection from nothing. The thing about it, is cold approach is #1 for developing social skills. To learn what women respond to and push your comfort zone. Most guys look at it for a way to meet women, which of course it can do that too. Its just do…
/r/seduction25/04/25 01:40 PM
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Two sets are hard. The girl isn’t going to leave her friend usually. But I’d say it sounds like you are doing the right thing. You’re going out, opening, getting into conversations, etc… You just have to identify your sticking point and try out a few new ideas. Or just play the numbers more.
/r/seduction22/04/25 09:16 PM
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You’re not making a connection with them. You usually need to spend time with a girl to build some rapport. A 5-10 min conversation isn’t usually enough time for a girl to make a connection with you. And if she has options, she may just not respond. Try instant dates or spending more one on one time in the bar. Get to know her a bit, let her get to know you.
/r/seduction22/04/25 07:28 PM
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If you only speak english, how possible is it to game in Krakow? And what about Warsaw? I always thought that was the place to be in Poland.
/r/seduction18/04/25 06:20 PM
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It’s just social skills. You have most of what you need already in place. Learning some game fundamentals will go a long way. I’m around your age as well. I don’t think age is any kind of limitation. Some basic fundamentals: Freedom from outcome, self amusement, showing intent, being bold, being polarizing, leading, being fun above all else, etc…
/r/seduction17/04/25 11:22 AM
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You have to get passed being in your head about these social situations. The only way to do it is to experience the awkwardness and realize you can handle it. You have to become comfortable with these situations to the point you don’t care or fear the outcome. And you have to adapt mindsets that set you up for success. This requires your beliefs to change. And that happens through experience. You have to stretch yourself, push your comfort zone. Experience what you fear and realize it’s not a bi…
/r/seduction17/04/25 11:10 AM
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When you have good game you see success despite your shortcomings. It can overcome things such as looks. But being in shape is going to amplify your confidence which is going to lead to better interactions. So, it’s always a good idea to get in shape.
/r/seduction16/04/25 09:37 AM
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I still have the audio book with style reading it. It’s worth reading. Yes, it’s old school routine based game. But it’s his story of learning and getting good. It’s by far the best read in game just because style is a very good writer. It’s a good story. It should inspire you and help motivate you to get into the game.
/r/seduction15/04/25 03:13 AM
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Try to get your hands on infields. This is video footage of guys who have practiced , showing them doing approaches. Not just the flash, but what regular game looks like. This will show you what it looks like in the real world to approach. Rsd Tyler, Julian, max are all good examples. Vadim from honest signalz is another decent one. There are other coaches too. But if you can find good infield footage, it’s useful to watch. Then start thinking about where you can go, where there will be an abund…
/r/seduction14/04/25 04:46 PM
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James Marshall is not a high level pickup artist. Most guys can do what he does with a few weeks to a few months of practice.
/r/seduction13/04/25 06:25 PM
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You have to go out and get reference experiences. What rsd used to teach is what most people would benefit the most from. But having some canned material can also be helpful unless you are naturally charismatic and can handle every situation. Owen would have told you to go out and get reference experiences. You need to be approaching. Then you wouldn’t need to ask a question like this. Get your hands on infield footage from coaches that are good if you can. Any of the rsd coaches will do. Then y…
/r/seduction13/04/25 06:14 PM
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From what I remember they teach technical game. Marcus knows what he is talking about, so he has experience. But technical game can take a long time to learn. If it has infields, that’s going to have a lot of value. Don’t look at any program as the be all end all. Most progress will come from you going out and learning from interacting with women. And some guys don’t need much of any coaching. Give it a shot for sure. But don’t buy in to everything as if it’s the only way. You may not need most …
/r/seduction10/04/25 11:32 AM
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Great post. It confirms most of what I leaned from other coaches who I saw as credible. One of the areas I think can be confusing is the balance between being fun and talking normal. I learned from rsd max, and he would say the same thing, that good game doesn’t look like game. It’s a lot of normal conversation. But there would also be the amplified fun part of game where I’d see him doing crazy attraction pickups. Those looked like the most fun and what makes you stand out. But he’d say, you do…
/r/seduction07/04/25 04:34 PM
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Everything OP said is spot on. And just look at the responses people have to it. No wonder so many guys are lost in this area.
/r/seduction06/04/25 08:06 PM
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I’m your age and your thinking about it all wrong. It’s not about whether people think it’s creepy. That just signals you care what people think and may be triggered by it. The question to ask is, can you walk into a packed bar, approach groups of people, start conversations and get them to hook? Can you develop the best mindsets and social skills to handle social pressure, such as someone thinking you are creepy and calling you out? It’s not about worrying what people think and being reactive t…
/r/seduction04/04/25 04:06 PM
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There are countless examples of guys proving that you can open with just about anything. It’s not the words that matter mostly. I’ve seen guys open with no words, open with lines related to game, open with self deprecating humor, open with random words that have no meaning, etc… If you want to focus on the words you can, but the self is always shining through. And there will be many situations where the practiced opener may not be right for the context.
/r/seduction02/04/25 08:49 AM
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If you learn the right mindsets and fundamentals age won’t matter. This is because the nature of learning game is learning to handle social pressure. It doesn’t matter if you are older and age is a thing, or younger and looks and inexperience is a thing. You’re going to deal with social pressure. Game is about developing social skills, mindsets, and confidence to handle any situation that will be thrown at you. Once you realize this, you will embrace the awkwardness. Seek it out so you can impro…
/r/seduction01/04/25 07:32 PM
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First, use common sense. You don’t need a manual to get what she is communicating. Second, pushing the limits is usually a good thing. Learn how to recover when you go over the edge. Then calibrate it to what is most effective. Most guys don’t take any risks and have boring interactions. If your pushing the edge, then you can improve from it and learn what women respond to.
/r/seduction01/04/25 11:49 AM
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What you described is what most puas teach. It’s just working on social skills and interacting with alot of people. Only difference is doing cold approach is more proactive since you are practicing more often. It’s all the same thing. You’re meeting people, socializing, and working on improving. People think cold approach is some kind of weird activity. It’s just going out, meeting people, and improving your social skills. It’s just most guys who work on game are serious about improving. So they…
/r/seduction30/03/25 05:37 PM
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Improv comedy, public speaking.
/r/seduction28/03/25 04:27 PM
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Higher population is usually going to benefit you. But, you can try traveling there first. You won’t really know what is better until you do it.
/r/seduction28/03/25 06:34 AM
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Most people don’t have alot of experience, so you get some of the “it’s all about your looks” posts. But this is mixed with others who know something about game and social dynamics. It’s a big melting pot of ideas, so you will have to sift through the nonsense. The old community was much more hard core about game, going out and taking action. There were a lot more experienced people back then. But, it’s always been like this. A mix of everything.
/r/seduction27/03/25 11:53 PM
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Understand the warnings of reading books. What you really need is to get into interactions with women, over and over again so you can improve your social skills and confidence. That’s the solution. But instead you are looking for a book. And you have a 99% chance of not improving your confidence and seduction game with women by reading books. Books are a nice supplement if you are already going out and meeting new women all the time. But most guys will just read the books and not do the things t…
/r/seduction27/03/25 06:44 PM
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Self amusement. Make everything you say and do a form of entertainment for yourself. It’s not selfish as your putting off a fun vibe that others want to be a part of. But it’s not serious at all. Get out of your head and in the moment. Use self amusement to pump up your state. You have to be careful to not overdo it otherwise your just over gaming. You’re the dancing monkey. But go out and have fun. Say and do outrageous things. Experiment. Take risks. Find a balance once a set hooks. If you can…
/r/seduction27/03/25 10:19 AM
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I think you went in wanting something. You wanted to get something from the girl. Next time just roll with who you are. Be a fun confident guy who is talking to her, because that is how you roll. And if the vibe is right, then escalate. But you don’t have to give all your power away by going direct before she has had a chance to experience who you are, or you to experience who she is. Make the interaction fun. Your talking to her because talking to an attractive girl is fun for you. That’s it. N…
/r/seduction26/03/25 08:32 PM
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Women want men who are on their path and purpose and unapologetically will go after what they want in life. That doesn’t mean being disrespectful to people, but they like guys who go after what they want and are uneffected by what people think. Being a people pleaser is going out of your way to be nice to people. It can be seen as an act and fake. It suggests others are of higher value. And it’s a pattern a girl has seen a million times before. It’s what 90% of guys are like. And it’s why most g…
/r/seduction26/03/25 08:23 PM
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Tennis, volleyball (some bars have groups that do this), running clubs, cycling clubs, business networking like meet ups, cooking classes. Just follow your personal interests.
/r/seduction21/03/25 11:08 AM
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Find ways to self amuse. Whatever makes you laugh or is fun to you, amplify it and others will join in. It’s about the vibe you’re putting off. Take some risks, be a little outrageous, have some fun with it.
/r/seduction21/03/25 10:35 AM
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Sounds like a good idea to me. Get involved in activities, have an active life. Meet more people. Approaching women, especially in bars is a way to level up your social skills. It’s all practice. But having a life of activities open new opportunities to meet people including women. I wouldn’t stop at salsa class. After that, think of something else you want to do.
/r/seduction21/03/25 10:31 AM
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This doesn’t get solved by thinking about it or getting the right tips or advice. You simply need practice talking to attractive women. And you need to make improvements as you gain more experience.
/r/seduction19/03/25 11:12 AM
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They both work. There isn’t much more effective ways to attract women than having status. I’ve experienced it before by being a musician and performing live. Game is about raw attraction. Developing the male behaviors that attract women and becoming someone who is attractive to women of your type. Either works, but it takes effort either way. And many people do cold approach because they don’t want to build a social circle.
/r/seduction19/03/25 10:29 AM
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A large part of female attraction is who the guy is, how other people respond to him, and how he carries himself. That has nothing to do with looks. If all OP has seen is attractive women with good looking guys, then he is probably very young and is seeing what he wants to see, which is looks matter. But they don’t matter that much.
/r/seduction17/03/25 08:26 AM
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I had a friend once that worked in NYC as a valet driver. He parked cars for people I think for a hotel or something like that. He would brag and post photos about all the girls he met and was hooking up with. He said hot girls were always rolling through for a night out so there was consistency.
/r/seduction14/03/25 11:39 AM
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Your boring because you stick to safe conversations. You’re doing what most people do, which is normal conversations. You need to take some social risks and be a little more fun, edgy, cocky, sarcastic, polarizing, etc… amplify your natural personality. Get into as many interactions as you can and practice.
/r/seduction14/03/25 11:35 AM
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Sounds like you have the resources. Ag Hayden, karisma king , and rsd. If you have seen this content, you should know how to deal with the issues you are experiencing. Not saying it’s easy or a quick fix, but you should already have the road map for what to do. Why are the rejections getting to you? Why aren’t you making them fun and learning from reference experiences?
/r/seduction13/03/25 09:58 AM
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You probably have got decent advice already. What I would add is to try and get good at talking to new people in general. This is normal social skill development. As you have already noticed, most of us aren't good at this without practice. When you want to approach a girl, you get all sorts of limiting beliefs in your head and it gets in the way. With practice you can make this a non factor. Try to find places you can go where you can socialize, especially with women you don't know. Try not to …
/r/seduction11/03/25 02:24 PM
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The key thing you need is practice. You need to approach women and gain experience doing it. If you’re new, then a few ideas can help. Let go of the outcome. Teach yourself to not get caught up on the results of any interaction. Don’t self judge. Learn to self amuse. Make it fun. Make yourself laugh. Turn approaching, rejections, etc…, turn it all into a game that you learn to laugh at. Make the game fun. Don’t try to impress the girl, or put on an act to get the girl. Be the amplified version o…
/r/seduction10/03/25 09:27 PM
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Are you in an ideal location to do daytime approach? How did you find attractive women during the day with consistency? I find this to be the biggest flaw with daytime approaching. Most places aren’t going to have an abundance of opportunities, are they? What is your advice to guys who are in an average location? The suburbs, medium sized town, etc…
/r/seduction09/03/25 11:28 AM
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Your deciding not to go places where the highest concentration of attractive women will be.
/r/seduction06/03/25 07:36 PM
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If you have enough cash, you can do what celebrities do. Get a table at a high end night club. If it’s too expensive, then get a few people together to combine money. This is what most guys who do cold approach avoid since you don’t need to do this if you have game. But if you have money, it’s something you can try. Play table game. Pay an assistant to reach out to instagram models or women on other social media platforms. Just pay them to spend time each day messaging women trying to set someth…
/r/seduction05/03/25 09:01 PM
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I watched infields of coaches who were good at game. When I saw how someone could approach just about anyone with a care free self amusing vibe and mindset, you can see how it can work. In some cases it was way over the top crazy self amusement. Saying ridiculous things to entertain yourself. And then people responding positively since the vibe is so much fun. Once you stop caring about outcomes and are having fun, you can do just about anything. Just drop the serious overly logical approaches. …
/r/seduction04/03/25 04:22 PM
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Looks are a factor, but not that important. Maximize your looks for sure, it helps. But The thing to watch out for is falling into the trap thinking looks is everything. It’s not. The game is a good book, but realize that people improved on what style and mystery we’re doing. Routines were replaced with natural game. Some still do routine based game, but converting yourself into an attractive person is a better goal to have than to learning a handful of routines and putting on an act. For cold a…
/r/seduction04/03/25 12:09 PM
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Use the success as a win. Remember it when you have negative outcomes. Use it so you can not care about rejections and such.
/r/seduction28/02/25 05:05 PM
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He mentioned demographics which probably means not alot of attractive women in his location. I think location and lack of attractive women walking around is an issue for a lot of people.
/r/seduction28/02/25 10:59 AM
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If the bars are closing at 7-8pm, these aren’t the places to meet women usually. You have to find the best places in your area by going there. Where do the hottest girls go out to on the weekends? Go to those places.
/r/seduction26/02/25 11:50 AM
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This is why people do night game. You can get 10-30 approaches in one night. Daygame is going to vary based on your location. People have said, college campuses are good for daygame. So are certain cities in downtown shopping districts. And the mall. You may just have to spend a little more time there.
/r/seduction25/02/25 07:30 PM
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I think you can do it. From what I gathered it was mostly guys taking risks and just trying things out. And then realizing the consequences were no big deal if you said the wrong thing. Then they just started having fun with it and leveled up from there.
/r/seduction25/02/25 05:03 PM
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Some of the experienced coaches I’ve seen have promoted to not think. Turn your thinking mind off and be a master of the moment. Later, you can review your approaches and decide what to improve. But when doing an approach it’s about being fully present. When you start thinking about what to say, or anything along those lines, you’re generally done. There are guys who do routine based game where thinking may matter more. But for most guys in my view, turn your thinking mind off. Do things in the …
/r/seduction25/02/25 04:39 PM
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You're not wrong about guys needing to be unique and take risks. They need to stand out. However, hardly anyone is taking enough action. Most guys never approach, or if they do, it's a few times a year. Both are problems. One thing that can help is watching experienced coaches that have practiced cold approach. There are different styles/personalities, but watching guys who are good would show people what is possible. It goes far beyond the boring conversations most are currently having. People …
/r/seduction25/02/25 03:23 PM
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Try to identify where you need to improve. During your conversations, where do you think improvement in something would benefit you? Is it right after the open? Is it 5 mins in? Is it that you need to play the numbers game more? Where do you think the issue is? What is holding you back right now?
/r/seduction25/02/25 12:59 PM
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99% is going out and talking to people. It's kind of a waste to ask a question like this. But, you can practice free association and self amusement. Its the one thing you can practice at home. Watch a TV show, pause it after any person finishes a line or sentence, then fill in the rest with your own self amusing lines. It should make you laugh and you can sexualize it any way you want. Be creative. Next time your in a conversation you can do the same thing. Maybe not go over board so you don't i…
/r/seduction19/02/25 03:01 PM
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If you watch infields from people who use the same openers you described , you will see how boring their interactions are. To be fun, you need to take social risks. You have to say things that you wouldn’t logically think would work, and say them anyway because it’s fun for you. It’s not much more complicated than that. Get into a good mood and freely say things that pump up your state and come out in the moment without thinking about it.
/r/seduction19/02/25 11:22 AM
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You need practice asking women for a date, and to develop a mindset where no outcome bothers you. Your mindsets are a mess right now and are holding you back. You just need to practice doing this, and then learning to lower the importance of the outcome of it. Get enough practice in until you stop caring about what happens. Then just make it fun and work on other areas such as your confidence, how you present yourself, your game, etc...
/r/seduction17/02/25 04:15 PM
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It doesn’t sound like pulling is your issue. It sounds like you aren’t generating any attraction and most likely are having normal conversations with the women you are meeting. You need to create more value, stand out more, etc… Find some infields of guys who have leveled up. Watch them to see what’s possible. Stretch your comfort zone and take a few risks. Be a little more edgy. Next time you go out, try to self amuse. Do things that make you laugh that are crossing the boundaries a bit. Experi…
/r/seduction13/02/25 04:36 PM
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You are right to recognize college as a special opportunity. I’ve never been around as many attractive women as I was in college. It ends when you leave school. There are a few things I’d suggest. First, talk to the girls in your classes. Start being chatty from day 1 with whoever is sitting close by you. If it’s a hot girl, this will start to get you comfortable talking to attractive women. This made a world of difference for me. They stop being hot girls, and are just people you are sitting ne…
/r/seduction10/02/25 02:55 AM
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Consider small chunking what you need to learn. Don’t focus on brining the girl home yet. Put your focus on whatever your sticking point is. It sounds like you can open. How good do you feel about approaching groups and opening? If you can open, what happens next? Are you generating attraction, or just having the same boring conversation 99% of the other guys have with those same girls? What’s your current sticking point? Where do your interactions need to improve?
/r/seduction09/02/25 03:37 AM
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I’d suggest to focus on opening. You don’t need to think past that. It’s a win if you simply start opening conversations, even if they fizzle out in 30 seconds. Then practice that over and over. 2-3 interactions every few weeks isn’t going to help much. Try to increase the volume of approaches you are doing. Focus on your eye contact, vocal tonality, and smile. Consider improvising openers. You don’t need canned ones, but if it helps to start then use them. Simple opens are fine. If you can get …
/r/seduction09/02/25 03:29 AM
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You can use the “I have to ask…” in almost any daytime situation. I have to ask… are you shopping for a Super Bowl party “? I have to ask…are you a college student? Because (improvise) Can also use “oh my god” openers. Can work in night time venues. Oh my god… you won’t believe what just happened. (Improvise something) Oh my god…did you see that? (improvise something) Can also leave out the “oh my god” part and just improvise what would come after. You asked for non canned ones, but here are a f…
/r/seduction08/02/25 03:14 AM
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The newer ways people teach mainly drop the routines and focus on getting good by practicing the fundamentals. Over time you become attractive and you don’t really need things like routines. You just are that guy. Some say MM can be damaging. Most of the good programs I know of aren’t being sold, but people pass them around in private. These are mainly programs by rsd. Coach Kyle has a community style program that you join. He’s legit so you may want to check that out. You would learn all the ne…
/r/seduction07/02/25 05:49 PM
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A key principle in game is to be non reactive. What you described is being reactive. Don’t give someone you don’t know that kind of power. You have to train yourself to not care. Turning it into self amusement is one way. But, you just need to do it enough times where your mood is uneffected by it. You have to really not care.
/r/seduction06/02/25 08:16 PM
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You seem to have some sort of block about someone giving you free advice, and are a bit condescending about it. But hey, don’t work on yourself then. Don’t go to bars and try to improve social skills and meet more people. Just come on Reddit and complain about why things are hard.
/r/seduction04/02/25 08:41 PM
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I’m my response I said go to bars and get active in activities and personal interests. I didn’t say just go to bars. Maybe you didn’t read my response. You go to bars to improve your social skills. It’s where you practice how to get better with women and people in general. Plus, you increase the number of people you can meet. You get involved in social activities to meet people in non bar environments. You can meet the girl you are looking for in either environment. You can also skip bars, which…
/r/seduction04/02/25 07:47 PM
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I hear the same thing over and over. "I don't like bars, but I want to find the perfect girl." That is like saying I want money but I don't want to work. Things are getting back to the way they used to be in the old days. If you have no options, which is fairly normal, then get socially active. Go out to bars to work on your social skills. And get involved in activities and follow personal interests. You have to learn how to escalate, at least to get a number. And you need a social life. It's no…
/r/seduction04/02/25 05:14 PM
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I have to ask (improvise the rest) Hey, nice to meet you. Open as if the conversation is already open. The less you think the better. No thinking is best. The approach to learning game isn’t leaning what works and going out and doing it. It’s testing out different things, failing at some, and gaining reference experiences. Make adjustments, try again. Turn it into a fun game and practice a lot. That’s how you learn. So, questions like this can take you down the wrong path. Experimenting and gett…
/r/seduction04/02/25 12:00 PM
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There is a few things I'd say to this. First, for guys who are doing this the right way, its just development of social skills. It's not about being something you're not. It's about being the real you and mostly stripping away all the bs social conditioning that kills guys attraction. Learning game takes practice and is tightly integrated with ones emotions, so it can be a tough game. That is why you have to practice. And bars/clubs is where you practice at. But, its just social skills. You lear…
/r/seduction03/02/25 10:08 PM
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In a loud dance floor you have 2-3 mins max to talk. Way too much stimulus to keep her attention. Get her attention, go in with the same or higher intensity as the environment, and within 2-3 mins pull her away from the dance floor. Move her somewhere else. This takes practice and you will need to experiment a bit. I don’t do dance floor game, but this is what I learned from a coach.
/r/seduction03/02/25 12:58 PM
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There are a lot of hot women in Miami. I’ve seen videos of people walking down the street during the day and there is a steady steam of attractive women everywhere it seems. Yes, there is a lot of competition from rich guys jacked up guys, etc… girls are getting offers and guys are a dime a dozen. There is just one big caveat. They are all compensating. They are all trying to get the girls because they have money, or spent time in gym, etc… this is a huge turnoff for most women. They will still …
/r/seduction02/02/25 08:06 PM
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Success with women is about developing a skill set. This requires practice. Here is what I would suggest. First, realize this could become one of the greatest adventures of your life. The reason why is because you have so much to gain from it. You're like the skinny guy in the gym. You have the most to gain from improving. I would start with health and fitness. Focus on getting in shape for the next year. Not much more to be said, except you don't need to be perfect. Just more in the normal rang…
/r/seduction02/02/25 12:49 AM
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Books aren’t likely to change much for most guys. Putting yourself out there, crossing the path with lots of women, and improving your social skills will.
/r/seduction31/01/25 02:49 AM
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It's not easy being in a smaller town. If you can build a social circle that could be a good way. Mix that with online dating could be a good combo. But, you have to be active. Its not going to happen by itself. If you want to learn game, then find bars that get packed on the weekends. If none, then see if there is a nearby university. If you are going to go the game route, be sure you know what it entails. Usually a lot of practice, new mindsets, and regularly going out. In general meet people,…
/r/seduction29/01/25 11:37 PM
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You're not identifying what your sticking points are. You are just doing the same thing over and over again hoping to get lucky. You have to experiment, push your comfort zone, and test things out. You can also get some wings to watch you approach and let them give you feedback. Or ask the girls who reject you. But, this is game is about developing social skills. You need to figure out what you need to get good at and practice. Don't focus on taking a girl home. Instead focus on the responses yo…
/r/seduction29/01/25 11:25 PM
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Ok, sounds like you are just trying to play the numbers game. That's ok. I'd say have fun, try to not care about what happens too much. Replace being in your head with self amusement. remember the fundamentals of game. Kezia Noble has a vid that covers the fundamentals really well. Just fall back on these when in doubt.
/r/seduction27/01/25 01:42 AM
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Think about the number of approach opportunities that existed during the night. If you had a packed bar, sounds like you could have done alot of approaches. Don’t focus on it being hard. Think about what you could improve on. Could you have done more approaches? What would you need to do to improve?
/r/seduction26/01/25 10:05 PM
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Just take a trip to Vegas and hit the clubs there. They are epic. Compare everything else to that. It’s a nightlife town, it exists for the party. There is a reason so many pickup coaches are based there. Don’t think there is another place quite like it. Then take a trip to Madrid or Barcelona. See what you think.
/r/seduction25/01/25 02:57 PM
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It isn’t no girls where it matters. It’s maybe girls. The problem with this thinking is some guys think every girl is a no girl if she’s neutral to him, as if she’s not attracted. For them it’s either she’s a yes girl or nothing. The game is played with maybe girls. No girls and yes girls have their minds made up. But most fall into the maybe category. And they need more time to experience you.
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:14 PM
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Attraction is a subject there is alot of info on. If you search this subreddit you should find lots of examples. You will get some nonsense, but plenty of good info too. Look for info on push/pull, being fun, leading, being decisive, being non reactive, don’t be try hard, etc… it’s male behaviors that women are most attracted to. Man to women just means it’s not a friend to friend interaction. Don’t talk to her like she’s your hair dresser. She’s a dating prospect and you’re not afraid to make t…
/r/seduction23/01/25 08:05 PM
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You most likely didn’t build any or enough attraction or didn’t make the conversation man to women. Sounds like the girls are surprised you’re asking for contact details. If you’re new to this, try doing something that may trigger a man to women frame. Misinterpret something she says, and accuse her of hitting on you. Communicate this in a self amusing playful way. If not that, then try something else. But you need to generate attraction and make it a man to women frame. She needs to know she’s …
/r/seduction23/01/25 05:32 PM
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Worst advice/take: It’s all about looks. She is either attracted or not the moment she sees you.
/r/seduction22/01/25 08:59 PM
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Understand what women are attracted to. Not the nonsense the mainstream promotes. But the evolutionary traits. Leading, decisiveness, dominance, unapologetic, saying what’s on your mind, standing out from the crowd, non reactive, socially confident, getting along with people, socially connected, etc… think about ancient times if you were someone who had access to survival resources and kept others safe. Just use common sense and try not to put on an act to be alpha. If you had an abundance of wo…
/r/seduction21/01/25 08:08 PM
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Blueprint was old, but a good supplement. But hot seat at home from Tyler, Julian’s pimp or shift , or max the natural. Those have all the new ideas and lots of infield breakdowns. Most modern coaches base their ideas from elements of what those guys were teaching. It’s about becoming an attractive person through lots of practice. The right words will come out of you, and you won’t need routines.
/r/seduction20/01/25 12:39 AM
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You have to develop this. It’s just simple social skills. Take social risks and do approaches. Learn from each one and identify what you can improve on. Don’t get into negative mindsets. Switch that to a learning and self improvement mindset. And get as many reference experiences as you can, improving with each one. That’s the best method. Just go out and interact with people, learn and improve.
/r/seduction19/01/25 12:01 PM
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Mysterys style is very old. Rsd developed what they called a natural style which dropped all routines, although they still had lines they threw in from time to time. Definitely consider using your own natural personality over canned routines. Some guys swear by routines, and that’s fine. Just be aware of what rsd was teaching and also other modern coaches. Most don’t rely on routines or the m3 model. Even style and other wings of his weren’t using his model exactly. Mystery’s style assumes you h…
/r/seduction19/01/25 11:46 AM
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Please. 33 is very young. You have two decades until you are 50 and even then you can do well with fitness and solid game. Drop the negative mindsets. Many your age and older do well. But not without effort. Decide for yourself. Are you here because you want to be validated in negative thinking hoping others will join you? Or are you going to make something happen and have the best time of your life over the next 10 years?
/r/seduction19/01/25 04:11 AM
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Dynamic just means improvised, spur of the moment, spontaneous, etc…
/r/seduction16/01/25 05:29 PM
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Because it’s normal to talk about various things with people. When you talk to people do you always blurt out the most direct thing that is on your mind the moment you start taking to them? Most people don’t. The ones that do are a little weird. You can convey intent through body language, what you say, etc… always going direct is weird. You’re a person capable of communicating in many dynamic ways. Use it. The mindset should be to interact with someone new, to get a closer look to see if you li…
/r/seduction16/01/25 11:16 AM
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Change your focus to trying to get the girls to smile, open up, and have a little fun. Look for different ways you can do this, and go test them out. Have fun with it. Don’t keep doing what your doing. Mix it up, experiment. See what works. A fun conversation should be what you’re after. You can level up from there.
/r/seduction15/01/25 05:51 PM
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Game is like the gym for your social skills. It’s your dojo where you can experiment and test things out. You sound like your doing what’s comfortable, which isn’t going to level you up. It’s going to give you the same result you’re currently getting. You need to take some social risks, see what happens. There are a million things you can try. But, what do you think would be good? What would be challenging but something you think would set the tone of your interactions in a much better frame? If…
/r/seduction12/01/25 08:44 PM
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Appreciate the infields. Most people don’t have any, so cool to see someone posts actual approaches they are doing.
/r/seduction12/01/25 10:53 AM
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After you have seen infields from experienced guys who open with the most off the wall things and you see the girl hook right off the open, you can see how effective it is. Your body language communicates so much. I’ve seen guys open with topics that have no relevance, are about the sidewalk, shoes, game, playful insults, being a short white boy, other topics you would expect and also pure non verbal openers with no words said. The words can matter and you don’t have to disregard. But your vibe …
/r/seduction12/01/25 02:11 AM
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Appreciate the post. Especially the precaution about hearing damage. I’m older than most here and have tinnitus. Every guy has know pretty much has it. If you are a musician (like me), ex military, or listen to really loud music, this is in your future if you’re not careful. Young people should do everything they can to protect your ears and avoid this. Also, I’ve seen infields of coaches moving a girl from the dance floor to somewhere quieter where you can hear each other. I’ve seen rsd julian …
/r/seduction10/01/25 08:21 PM
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Stop worrying about what everyone thinks about you so much. Those are insecurities, which is understandable in your situation. Just go for it and just let it happen. An experienced girl will take the lead for things if needed. Right now, just get the experience. Don't worry so much about your reputation with the girl. Whatever the outcome, except it and don't make a big deal about it. You have to go after what you want in life and not be so worried about outcomes so much. It's mostly what women …
/r/seduction10/01/25 03:28 PM
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Either be in her social circle, or develop your social skills through lots of practice. You can also get lucky, right place right time, right type. But your beliefs are defeatist. You can connect with these women. But it’s not meant to be easy.
/r/seduction10/01/25 12:51 PM
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Reference experiences. You need to not know what to say, not know how to open, not know how to keep the conversation going, worry about getting rejected, and do it anyway because you value the reference experience above all else. In addition to reference experiences you also know you will be writing journals (field reports) to hone in on your sticking points so you can make adjustments. You know that over time you will dial in your social skills and seeing a girl like this, instead of expecting …
/r/seduction09/01/25 05:40 PM
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Ok cool. Appreciate the post! What would you say the biggest factor to getting good results is? Just a lot of reference experiences?
/r/seduction08/01/25 05:31 PM
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Just curious. Are you a guy named Max, or ex rsd Max?
/r/seduction08/01/25 01:43 PM
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Ross does know what women respond to and I don’t doubt his product. But I felt he never leveled up with guys who were better than him. he focused heavily on words and conversational topics. It’s useful to know. But the best coaches I’ve seen have said the most off the wall things that made no sense and attracted women regardless. The girls were all over them. Their game worked despite the words. It’s about the vibe and triggering an emotional response. You have to be careful relying on words too…
/r/seduction07/01/25 10:04 PM
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It could be things outside of your control. Or it could be not enough attraction (aka too much comfort talk). Girls like guys who are fun and break the rules a bit. If you’re just having nice guy conversations, push it to the edge a bit more.
/r/seduction06/01/25 08:31 PM
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Intent just means you’re clear in your intentions. When you walk up you know she is a dating prospect. You know you want to have a fun man to women conversation. Make that clear. Don’t hold back and put on a nice guy act. Have the guts to tell her she’s hot or convey the same thing with body language. What alot of guys do is they walk up and convey that they will leave at any moment because they are unsure of themselves. They talk about platonic nice guy topics because they are playing it safe. …
/r/seduction06/01/25 08:18 PM
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Most of the experienced coaches of the past, and some in the present, are buried by the less experienced people who post about looks, surface level game, etc… these are mostly opinions from guys who lack experience. A lot of the old pua community left when they started getting banned on social media by the woke crowd. But the content is still out there if you look for it. That said, there has been some evolution in game in recent years as guys realize looks do play a role. Just not a big one if …
/r/seduction06/01/25 12:56 PM
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Hotseat and rsd max the natural will both show you lots of infields from guys with years of practice. Many guys will never know what’s possible without seeing someone do it. I would recommend both programs. Just be ready for haters to weigh in anytime you talk about it in public. Both programs are available, just ask around. Most social media bans the places where you can find these programs, so no one is going to post about it in public. The coaches don’t make money from it anymore and I’m pret…
/r/seduction06/01/25 12:33 PM
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It’s something you can look up and find lots of information about. But take any word or sentence someone says, and come up with various words or thoughts that are triggered from it. It’s a way you can generate random conversation out of nothing. It can be misinterpreting the meaning of the sentence, a word, or any random thoughts that pop into your head. In game it’s often used as a joke or self amusement. You can practice this while watching a movie, tv show, etc… just think of any random words…
/r/seduction05/01/25 06:57 PM
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Go to packed bars. There are a few terms in pickup such as, “target rich environments” or “high volume” locations. You need to go there so you can practice. Try to find a place with the highest amount of attractive women. Or one that has enough so you can practice socializing. You will be dealing with social pressure. So expect your mind to generate negative thoughts such as , you shouldn’t do this, you don’t want to be weird, or hundreds of other excuses. This is normal. Game is about throwing …
/r/seduction05/01/25 12:09 PM
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Show intent early on, be sure the conversation is man to women if you can. Be fun and playful off the open. Her response should be laughing or some kind of emotional response. Then isolate her at some point where it’s more of a normal conversation. Spend time with the girl to make a connection. This sounds like the likely problem. You need to spend 30+ mins one on one with her before you pull, usually.
/r/seduction05/01/25 01:34 AM
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Sounds like if you showed intent right away you could have avoided this. Or just engaged her more with a fun vibe and avoid the logical conversation. Sounds like you had a normal friend to friend conversation and the result was just that. Next time make it more man to women, or show intent faster, or just be more playful. Avoid the logical conversation off the open if you can.
/r/seduction05/01/25 01:28 AM
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You just have an inner game issue. You didn’t have it before, but now you do. Not a big deal. Go out and game to resolve it. Shouldn’t be too hard to do with the right mindsets. Your game would likely surpass what you were doing before with a little practice.
/r/seduction05/01/25 01:22 AM
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It’s effective to combine routines with naturalized game. But if you rely only on routines you’re only going to get good at routines. Developing your natural ability to free associate, bounce around different topics, be spontaneous, improvise humor, etc…, that is all going to make you much better socially. With more natural game you become an attractive person. It’s not an act. It’s something you are. Routines are routines. It’s a bit or an act. Not necessarily the real you. But everything works…
/r/seduction04/01/25 02:07 PM
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Go out to places where attractive women will be. Do this consistently. Start quick, short interactions with women and their group of friends. 10 seconds to 2-3 mins. Focus on testing out things you are not comfortable with. It should stretch you. It shouldn’t be easy. Try out different ways to open. Start there. Be mindful that you are practicing learning how to handle social pressure among other things. So, never take anything seriously. Make it all a fun game. You want rejections and negative …
/r/seduction03/01/25 11:58 PM
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You’re approaching to have fun and playfully flirt with someone. It’s for your fun. It just means you are someone who likes interacting with new people. There is nothing lower value about that.
/r/seduction03/01/25 02:59 PM
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The coaches I learned from stressed making the game fun. Being indifferent to the outcome is what we want, but self amusing and finding ways to make yourself laugh, it’s an easy way to turn your thinking mind off and get into the moment.
/r/seduction02/01/25 05:23 PM
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If you want to look good in your clothes, then look into having them fitted. Either by a tailor or learning to do it yourself. But fitted clothes will make the biggest difference in how good you look.
/r/seduction02/01/25 11:34 AM
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Go out to packed bars and throw yourself into social situations that make you uncomfortable. Do your best to get through them and adapt a mindset that it’s all a fun self amusing game. The next day, Take the feedback you got and think of something that will improve your interactions. Next time you go out, drill on practicing it. Don’t make excuses for being an introvert. You can be an extrovert if you wanted to. You just haven’t practiced it.
/r/seduction01/01/25 08:06 PM
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If you have approach anxiety that means you care. There is some outcome you are worried about. Practice not caring about outcomes. If OP has been in the game 15 years, this shouldn’t be a surprise. But it’s an inner game issue.
/r/seduction01/01/25 08:00 PM
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I’ve seen many posts like this before. Usually someone has a limiting belief, posts about why it was better in the past, then others with that same limiting belief will respond in agreement. Then they all cry in their beer together. While OP does seem authentic (and I’m not trying to be harsh), this sounds like someone looking for an excuse for why game doesn’t work or is hard, find a reason not to approach, etc…
/r/seduction30/12/24 01:59 PM
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You don’t need canned material. Your natural personality will be better in most cases. You just have to amplify it a bit. Right now it sounds like you want to be more fun and playful, but nothing flows. It’s not normal for most of us to approach random girls and spin self amusement like a pro. Even though nothing fun comes to mind, do it anyway lol. This is what you need to do. Take a few risks, see what happens. Test things out. Use self amusement. What makes you laugh? What’s funny to you in t…
/r/seduction28/12/24 08:34 PM
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It’s most likely your game. I would guess your interactions are probably not setting yourself apart from other guys. You’re just another guy approaching the girls. You need to stand out a bit and then make a connection. Are you spending 30 mins or more one on one with any of the girls? Are you having mostly nice logical conversations, instead of more playful non logical ones? What are most of your interactions like? There any many things you can improve on. Don’t make the mistake of doing the sa…
/r/seduction28/12/24 06:02 PM
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Think of non serious, joking around type banter. Mix it in with normal conversation. You will find that you don’t have to think about the topics. Just don’t be trying too hard. Just have fun and look for the girl to join your fun. Best to avoid clearly understood logical conversations. That’s what everyone else does. Be fun and be in the moment. Outside of that if you find lines or little gambits that can help move conversations along, use it when you need to. But try to stretch yourself by bein…
/r/seduction25/12/24 11:09 AM
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The highest concentration of women in one place is going to be bars for most people. Exceptions are places with lots of attractive people and high pedestrian traffic places like NYC. But most guys can go out during the day and hardly ever see an attractive girl. Go where they socialize which is bars and clubs. Bars are also a place where you can practice game, getting one interaction after another. Bars aren’t perfect and have their flaws. But for most guys, daygame will never give you the volum…
/r/seduction24/12/24 05:58 PM
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You have to experience the things you fear and realize you can handle it. Your brain needs proof it’s not a big deal. Right now you’re thinking you need perfect or at least competent game. Your ego is worried about not knowing what to say or running out of things to say. If you destroy your ego around this, you won’t care anymore. You will get more relaxed and the real you will come out. But you need the reference experiences. You have to cross that line that you are worried about. Learn to laug…
/r/seduction21/12/24 01:53 PM
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You believe you can’t be funny, masculine or confident and that is one of your issues. You have it in you, you just haven’t explored or developed it yet. But your chances to improve are nil because you don’t believe you can tap into that state. It’s just social skills. You have to take risks to improve, but it sounds like you don’t want to or don’t believe you can improve. I would work on changing this belief by proving to yourself you can be all those things.
/r/seduction19/12/24 09:49 AM
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Be fun and engaging. She’s not seeing you as young, she’s seeing you and fun and engaging. Show intent during the interaction. She needs to know what your interests are. It’s all game. There is no special technique.
/r/seduction17/12/24 09:39 PM
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Good write up. The only thing I’d change is the public being the highest volume. The highest volume areas are probably going to be bars and clubs. Lots of attractive women all in one place. Many public locations will have guys walking around during the day and seeing no attractive women. It’s mostly low volume. But it does depend on where you’re located.
/r/seduction17/12/24 09:34 PM
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The problem you are most likely having is normal conversations that you are used to, don’t get the girl. Something you are noticing. You need to stretch yourself and take more risks. Show intent that she is a dating or sexual prospect. Let her know one way or another. Self amuse and pump up your state. Say and do a few risky things. Just don’t have the same boring logical conversation every one else is having. You won’t stand out that way.
/r/seduction16/12/24 07:41 PM
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Women do post here from time to time. It’s just mostly guys since it is mostly guys who struggle in this area.
/r/seduction16/12/24 07:36 PM
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If you ask a question like this online, you will always get people telling you how bad things are. It’s human nature to have a glass half empty attitude for some people. Keep that in mind when you read or hear negative views of online dating or cold approach. That said, look into advice from people that know something about online dating if that’s what you’re going to do. Playing with fire YouTube channel isn’t a bad place to start as he specializes in it. But there are others. Just avoid common…
/r/seduction16/12/24 07:12 PM
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You have to fail before you succeed. All learning and growth works this way. What you are going through is the game, it’s ok, just accept that. You are learning how to get comfortable with social pressure. Put your focus on taking risks and improving. Did you feel weird going out alone? Did you feel the spotlight effect as If people notice your there by yourself? Keep getting reference experiences and work to not caring and being comfortable. Also, note a little inner game. You shouldn’t be worr…
/r/seduction14/12/24 03:25 PM
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Sounds like you have a style that works for you. That’s great. I would think man to women is probably a bit different, but good to hear the perspective. For guys, vibe, confidence, body language all okay a big role. The words can matter, but usually not as much as how you behave and your inner beliefs/confidence.
/r/seduction13/12/24 05:44 PM
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What I learned from a coach was if you have two girls together, wait for an emotional high point and see if you could escalate it from there. This is in the context of game, so the assumption is you have game and the girls are having loads of fun with you. An old game analogy is “change her mood not her mind”. If your girl isn’t going to approach and your not, then online may be your better bet. Not sure how you’re going to initiate a threesome when neither is approaching lol.
/r/seduction12/12/24 07:48 PM
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Cold approach is going to be your best bet. You will probably find more options going out to bars and it’s the best place to practice social skills. But, daytime approach is good as well. You can also build a social circle by going out at night. Keep in mind, these are new social skills. So looks and normal charisma is fine, but you will develop new social skills if you do this enough. Your current beliefs will help. But you still need reference experiences and to learn what women respond to, ho…
/r/seduction11/12/24 02:38 PM
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Maybe. You can keep going down this path if you want. But, it could blow up on you when you show interest and she is shocked by it later. It is a form of lack of disclosure on your part by not being up front with her. And not exactly an alpha move by not being able to tell her you are interested. Best is to let her know, preferably when you are having a good time together. Off a high point, let her know. Or keep going down this path and see what happens. Time can help build a connection. But usu…
/r/seduction10/12/24 03:16 PM
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Daygame has flaws too. Mainly, most guys will walk around their town and see very few women to approach. You just can’t get the volume you need to play the numbers game in most locations. And your social skills improve around approaching one girl mostly. Group dynamics and competition of night game help you improve. There are also downsides to night game, neither is perfect. But in some locations night game is going to be medium or high volume and day game will be low volume.
/r/seduction09/12/24 12:52 PM
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Consider doing night game. You can improve your social skills and build a social circle at the same time.
/r/seduction06/12/24 12:01 PM
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One thing you can try in the future, is before you try to close, do it on an emotional high point. Make her laugh about something, or just pick a high point in the conversation, then go for the number close. It’s just social dynamics and human nature that people are more likely to comply off a high point like this. It’s also smoother. May not have mattered, but an easy improvement to make.
/r/seduction06/12/24 11:48 AM
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There is a path to change all this. Focus on that and drop all the negative mindsets. Take this back down to earth and realize getting better is a numbers game mixed with having fun with people. It’s not about being serious or over thinking. You need practice being unfiltered, taking some social risks, and realizing none of it is a big deal.
/r/seduction06/12/24 03:24 AM
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Try to think of it like this. For a guy who is attractive and has his shit together, this question won’t matter at all. He will be non reactive and wouldn’t be worried about what people think about him being there alone. He definitely wouldn’t be worried about what the girl thinks. If you are totally comfortable with being asked this, you can treat it as a shit test. Act like it’s no big deal and turn it into a self amusing joke. Not in a way where you are hiding something, but you truly don’t c…
/r/seduction06/12/24 03:08 AM
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Push your comfort zone. Do things that seem a little risky, but you know will move you forward. What do you think that would be for you? If you get a chance, try approaching and starting conversations with no opener in mind. Practice being unfiltered and say whatever pops in your head. Of course, Use common sense, don’t insult anyone. But don’t worry about saying the wrong thing either. You have to risk saying the wrong thing and realize it’s no big deal and you can handle it. Do it with a fun v…
/r/seduction03/12/24 07:29 PM
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Sounds like you aren’t making enough of a connection with these girls. Some coaches who do night game will say it takes 45min to 2 hours for a good enough connection to be made that a girl with go home with you. The game principle is to spend more time with the girl. After attraction is there, just let time do the work for you. This is daygame, but have you considered instant dates to spend more time with the girls? Build more of a connection?
/r/seduction02/12/24 05:38 PM
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My advice would be to get out of the house and go out to bars on fri/sat each week. Even if you feel weird being there by yourself, just go. Eventually you will meet women and other people, you will see other guys approach, you will learn from them, ask them questions, and most everything will fall into place. Don't sit at home with no social life wondering what you need to do to find a girl. Just leave the house, get out to bars, and do it consistently.
/r/seduction02/12/24 03:02 PM
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How good do you think a guy needs to be at game/social skills? I'm not referring to guys who are total beginners and have social issues. But, once a guy has about 6 months of practice, has decent social skills down, do you think it's a numbers game after that? Pickup coaches sometimes say it takes years, and I question that. Just wondering what you think?
/r/seduction02/12/24 02:36 PM
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Most coaches are too expensive. Some are most likely good and can help. But very overpriced. One option is to do Skype type calls. Many of these coaches will do 1 on 1 calls for much cheaper. If you get someone to record your approaches, you may be able to have a coach give you feedback. Another option is to find wings and learn from them.
/r/seduction01/12/24 07:52 AM
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If you can find the old tom torrero podcasts, it was one of the best. Tom did that london style so many have over done, so I wouldn't hang on to everything he says. But, it was an entertaining and motivating podcast from a coach that was an ex school teacher. Very liked guy by most in the pickup community. There are 200 episodes, worth listening to if you like game.
/r/seduction26/11/24 04:45 PM
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Drop the idea of trying to get something from the girl. Instead, approach with fun and a good vibe. Your goal is to have a fun conversation. Keep it light and short. Progress over time.
/r/seduction26/11/24 12:39 PM
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You have alot going for you. You are going out regularly, doing approaches and trying. You just need to experiment with a few things you may not have before. The way you are starting these conversations, sounds like you are like 99% of guys that approach but don't know much about game. Your having information exchange conversations, or friend to friend, or something that is pretty comfortable for you to do. It doesn't sound like you are generating much attraction. You have to make the interactio…
/r/seduction25/11/24 05:02 PM
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When asked about drinking, have a routine you can use. Something like “if you want to ditch me for being sober I’ll understand.” Say it in a joking way where it’s funny to you. Make it deprecating humor. Cut yourself down in a joking, self amusing way. Act like it’s no big deal and you completely accept you are not drinking while others are. Don’t get triggered if people call you out. Laugh at it and treat it as no big deal. It’s how you roll.
/r/seduction25/11/24 11:42 AM
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Improv is a great choice. In addition to that, realize you will have to stretch yourself and push your comfort zone to improve. Try going out to a packed bar and self amuse while meeting people. Go from group to group and really try to stretch yourself. Turn your thinking mind off. Train yourself to have fun with everyone and tap into your extroverted side. Focus on self amusement rather than trying to illicit laughter from people. Make it about your fun without any concern about outcomes. Whate…
/r/seduction25/11/24 11:36 AM
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Looks helps. But you will need the right social skills to get women out on dates. If your interactions are not man to women, or your boring, or you’re too try hard, or come across as a friend, nothing else will matter. Looks is the icing on the cake, but game is the cake.
/r/seduction25/11/24 11:27 AM
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This is the dilemma of daygame. It may be hard to find approach opportunities. Just don't use it as an excuse. Shopping districts will be your best bet. Malls, Target, Parks, etc... Considering night game and/or other activities where you can meet women wouldn't be a bad idea. Daygame is best in cities with alot of pedestrian traffic. But again, guys who are good don't make excuses. They go out and make it happen.
/r/seduction22/11/24 04:14 PM
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Get into another conversation with her. Make it a fun conversation when your in a great mood and she's responding well. Hit an emotional high point in the conversation, then ask her about the boyfriend, or whatever is on your mind. The key thing is hitting an emotional spike of some sort, then follow with asking for her number, or suggestions you meet up later, if she has a boyfriend, etc... I'd suggest not to ask about the boyfriend, and instead suggest you meet up later or something. Whatever …
/r/seduction22/11/24 04:02 PM
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It's about having fun with a girl in a playful way. Usualy there is sexual intent of some sort, teasing, etc... You are just having fun with someone. That's it. Don't overthink it. Watch Craig Ferguson videos on YouTube for great examples. It's not something you think about. Just have fun in the moment and amuse yourself.
/r/seduction22/11/24 03:51 PM
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Your vibe and body language is what matters the most. I wouldn’t worry so much about the words. Her response to your open should be smiling, receptive, and positive emotions.
/r/seduction21/11/24 06:55 PM
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You just need exposure and reference experiences. Practice talking to these girls and open yourself up a bit. Have fun, self amuse, tell them they are hot, or whatever makes you feel good in the moment. Cross that line you are afraid of that’s giving you anxiety. After you do, say to yourself “that wasn’t a big deal. I can handle this”. Keep a positive attitude.
/r/seduction21/11/24 06:41 PM
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Use self amusement. Open with fun rather than some canned opener. Don’t take it seriously, just have fun pumping up your state by interacting with girls. And then when ready, push your comfort zone and experiment a little.
/r/seduction19/11/24 05:43 PM
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The key is consistency and to keep going. Everything you’re doing sounds good. Just remember to stretch yourself. There should be things you hesitate to do. Push yourself to take those small risks.
/r/seduction19/11/24 05:19 PM
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If your going to stay in Chicago, this time of year is perfect. Tourist season is over and rates are very low (compared to summer). Just dress for the cold, and it’s fine. Also, there is a YouTube channel where a guy walks around and films the city. You can get a sense of the bar scene in a few shots.
/r/seduction18/11/24 11:52 PM
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It could be one of two things. It could be you aren’t generating enough attraction. This seems to be what you are suspecting. It could be you aren’t making enough of a connection. Guys who do well with all the attraction game sometimes have a hard time not getting flakes since girls see them as a player. If you think you need more attraction, you need to push your comfort zone. Try out things you haven’t before. Take it up a notch. Just try not to get thrown out of the bar lol. If you need more …
/r/seduction18/11/24 05:38 PM
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Try to understand how learning game works. There usually is something that is holding you back. In some cases, it may prevent you from approaching in the first place. You dive in and try it out anyway, to see what happens. What doesn’t matter is whether or not you got a good result. What does matter is you gained a reference experience and learned something. Make an adjustment, keep trying. Any limiting belief or skill you don’t have, can be addressed by taking action and getting references. The…
/r/seduction18/11/24 05:21 PM
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Totally agree. Even if you look into other areas, such as sales, the ones who are the best don’t usually have more talent. They just outwork and out hustle everyone else. They don’t make excuses and have success oriented mindsets. Also, I checked the hotel rates for Chicago here in the states in the summer. It was expensive. $500 per night was in the low end as it was tourist season. However, now it’s reasonable since it’s getting cold. Perfect time to travel to a big city. Last thing, winter fa…
/r/seduction18/11/24 05:05 PM
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It would be useful to generate pictures of yourself waking off a private plane, playing with a dog, and other common online dating pic scenes. It seems possible. But not sure if people can spot it.
/r/seduction14/11/24 12:23 AM
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One perspective is to see the world as one big set. If you find trade shows works for you, then do it. Just don't expect massive results unless you go to one each week. As for the effort to results ratio, here is something to consider. Other people have experienced the same thing and found solutions to this problem. On a side note, your results are better than most. Getting laid 5 times from 100 approaches, not sure what the complaint is. You can do 100 approaches over 2 weekends. But here is so…
/r/seduction12/11/24 07:09 PM
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Essentially this. OP needs to make more of a connection with the girl. Spend more time with her, connect better, move through different environments, etc…
/r/seduction11/11/24 07:10 PM
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Go watch AG Haden's ultimate guide to night game on youtube. It has many useful tips. Consider practicing your opening game. Just have quick interactions where you just open with something. No expectation of a long interaction. Just 10 seconds to a few mins is all you need to do. Use a few canned lines if you need to. "Hi", "How's your night going", "What are you guys celebrating", or other opens. Lower your expectations of a good opener. Try not to think, just go in. Also practice being in a go…
/r/seduction08/11/24 02:24 PM
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Where do you think things are going wrong? What do you think you need to improve on? Getting numbers isn't that big of a deal. You need to generate attraction and build a connection for girls to trust you enough. You are most likely not building enough of a connection. Spend more time with the girls. Let time do the work for you. Be sure you aren't just in player mode, and make a real connection with the girl over 1-2 hours.
/r/seduction08/11/24 02:17 PM
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Your problem is inner game. Your beliefs are in the wrong place. You need positive reference experiences. In other words, you need to interact with women and have enough of those interactions go well so you start to believe you are worthy, or not a creep. The solution is simple, but not easy. Go interact with more women. Take social risks. Prove to yourself that you can handle any negative outcome and its not a big deal. Get your mindset and mood to a place where you are uneffected by negative o…
/r/seduction08/11/24 02:11 PM
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Focus on your game. There are a few things you should do. Try to set a waypoint you want to get to where you don't care about the outcomes. Yes, you want to learn and improve. But, your mood is exactly the same regardless of the reaction you get. Focus on the process, not the outcome. Stop approaching so logical. Think "Fun" instead. Don't be serious and steer away from logical conversations. Make it fun, playful, and non serious. RSD coaches used to say they would watch students reactions in be…
/r/seduction07/11/24 03:04 PM
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I get what you’re saying, but a better way of putting this is to say what worked for you. Too often in these discussions guys say “my way is the right way and the other ways don’t work. “ It’s better to stick to what worked for you. It’s ok to say cold approach didn’t work for you. But to say it doesn’t work at all, you’re making a mass generalization. It works for many people. I won’t go into detail because it will be a book. But, warm approaches is fine if you found it effective. But there are…
/r/seduction04/11/24 07:06 PM
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Stop thinking and just be in the moment.
/r/seduction04/11/24 02:21 AM
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Sounds like you’re doing great. You have the right mindsets. You just need to develop the social freedom that you can say and do just about anything without hesitation. You get there by taking risks and pushing your comfort zone. Practice being unfiltered and self amusing. Combine the two. What is fun or funny to you? Experiment and test things out. Try to not think. Say things without hesitation. Learn to recover if you go too far, and then calibrate your communication to the situation.
/r/seduction03/11/24 11:36 AM
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You’re not generating enough attraction. Are you more fun than anything else in the environment? It doesn’t sound like it. Work on your attraction game.
/r/seduction03/11/24 11:06 AM
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Cold approach is about learning how to become an attractive guy and learning what women respond to. It’s a form of self development. It’s not about doing cold approaches until it works. It’s about taking action and developing yourself in an area that is worthy of self improvement. And as a result, cultivating a great dating life. Focus on the process of getting better over time and enjoying interacting with women.
/r/seduction03/11/24 11:01 AM
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You have to not care about negative responses you may get from something random you will start a conversation with. Most are worried about saying the wrong thing, being judged, or having to deal with social pressure by opening with something non standard. People stick to safe ways to start conversations because that is what they are used to. All the examples OP used as just ways to play it safe. You have to take social risks and realize that you can handle anything that will happen. Once you sto…
/r/seduction02/11/24 09:26 AM
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Working on yourself, not neglecting other areas of your life and not dropping money on women is all generally good advice. But if you want to get good at game and have an active dating life, you will need to put time into it and make it a priority. It needs to be a glorified hobby, and something you want to get good at. It can take practice. As long as it’s fun and stays positive, then you should be fine.
/r/seduction02/11/24 09:14 AM
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You can’t go wrong with Tyler, Julian and max infields. It will show anyone getting started what’s possible. Also, each guy has slightly different game so you can see what game looks like for each one. It should motivate anyone to go out and approach. There are so many infields on YouTube that are guys who never really stretched themselves that much. The above coaches pushed the limits to see what’s possible.
/r/seduction31/10/24 09:51 PM
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Try doing this. Watch any tv show. When someone says a sentence, pause it, then fill in the rest yourself as if your pretending what the character will say next. Keep going and create a storyline as if it’s some kind of twisted comedy. Fill in lines for all the characters. Use your humor and free associate whatever comes next. Make yourself laugh. I find the more serious shows can be the most funny. Find some dad like figure who is respectable in the show, and turn him into a sexual deviant. You…
/r/seduction28/10/24 08:44 AM
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You may be giving your power away with direct approaches. The frame should be you are a high value guy, she’s a dating prospect, you’re not sure yet so you are talking with her to find out more. She has to win you over. She will level up by dating a guy like you. When you go direct she has nothing to chase or qualify to. She already has you. If she’s attractive, every other guy is doing the same thing one way or another. She has them too. She knows she attractive. It’s boring for her.
/r/seduction28/10/24 12:13 AM
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Focus on short interactions. Go watch ag Hayden’s ultimate guide to night game on YouTube. It’s a good guide for getting started in night game.
/r/seduction28/10/24 12:06 AM
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Keep in mind, the openers work based on body language and delivery. You don’t get any of that from reading openers. Although thinking about the right opener is probably holding you back anyway. Learn to open with anything, no opener needed.
/r/seduction28/10/24 12:02 AM
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Try to remember your biggest sticking point is going out to regularly meet women and doing approaches. You don’t need books. You need reference experiences. Books keep you in gathering information mode.
/r/seduction27/10/24 11:57 PM
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The best advice I can give you is to turn approaching into a fun game and experiment with different things. You need to be willing to do and say just about anything to find out what works for you. Try to avoid putting on an act and trying to get something from the girl. Instead, tap into your natural personality in an amplified state. “Thinking” usually is a losing cause in game. Turn off your thinking mind, and instead focus on what is fun for you. And find a balance between normal making a con…
/r/seduction27/10/24 10:04 AM
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Parties happen when you have a social circle. Usually, you have a group that you hang out with and between everyone someone always knows where the parties are at. Then everyone goes as a group. When I was in my 20s, it was a parties, bars, or both on any given night. The biggest problem I had, looking back, was too much weed and alcohol. We were always plastered. So, I didn’t hook up anywhere near as much as I could have. But parties is usually something that happens organically. If you don’t ha…
/r/seduction27/10/24 09:31 AM
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The answer is getting social. You have to meet people to have a dating life. It’s sounds simple, but for many this is the reason they don’t have a dating life. Work on that if you want to change things. If you don’t know many people, that’s probably not going to change unless you do something about it. And 27 turns into 35 pretty quickly. So decide for yourself what you want to do. I think 27 is the near perfect age to be for dating. And boring is what just about everyone says about themselves. …
/r/seduction25/10/24 09:02 PM
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Those guys got it to work. I do think there are much better ways to learn game, so just keep in mind many don't see this style of game ideal. But, there are some who still swear by it. Style's program used to be on youtube. He did a bootcamp and filmed it showing the routines and had a group of students. You may find clips of it around. The full program is online, but not easy to find. If you want a book, find Mehow's "How to talk to hot women". It's on amazon. He was one of their wings and ther…
/r/seduction23/10/24 01:16 AM
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You just need better game. If you’ve never seen it before you’re probably having normal interactions. There is alot more you could be doing.
/r/seduction22/10/24 11:56 AM
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He wasn’t ready to carry a conversation in this context. He was learning, but so were you. You were learning to coach which is a different skill than approaching. He was better off having 10 to 30 second interactions. Just open, stay in longer than what is comfortable, just for a bit, then bail. Go into his next set and just get reference experiences. He wasn’t ready to approach and carry the conversation. This isn’t unusual for someone who has never approached before.
/r/seduction21/10/24 07:34 PM
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Learn how to build more of a connection. Spend more time with the girl. It’s likely your game isn’t good enough yet, and that is why you are getting the boyfriend line. Look up qualification and consider instant dates during the daytime. You need her to invest more. Todd V should have good vids on all of this.
/r/seduction17/10/24 04:23 PM
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Your over thinking it and looking for a source to teach you. Look at game as a form of self development where you are testing yourself in a range of social challenges. Improving over time by interacting with women is the process. You have to be interacting with women. Go do that, then read the theory. To be good with women you don’t just start doing it. You have to become someone who is good with women. It’s a new identity and you have to go through trials and tribulations to get there. You need…
/r/seduction15/10/24 09:26 AM
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Open by talking to them as if you already know them. Just start talking as If your in mid conversation. Try to be upbeat, fun, etc… Experiment with everything. Try not to just do one type of open over and over, especially if it’s not working well. Experiment. Your positive vibe will play a big role on how they respond.
/r/seduction15/10/24 09:18 AM
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Most people are beginners and the biggest beginner sticking point is approaching in the first place, opening, and getting sets to hook. It’s why most coaches focus on the skills involved and approach anxiety. There is a difference between talking to a girl sitting next to you in a class, and cold approaching someone in a bar. It’s all part of the game. And this sub has been around for many years, it’s always covered all aspects of the process.
/r/seduction15/10/24 09:12 AM
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This is what alot is people are missing. In the 90s, if you didn’t have a social circle to meet women through you were mostly out of luck. Unless you could cold approach in bars or somewhere else, had a social circle or got really lucky, you had no dating options. And there were no resources to learn game. You either had a friend who was a natural that could show you, or you didn’t think you were the type who could cold approach. It was mostly get lucky or meet women through friends. It is harde…
/r/seduction14/10/24 10:09 AM
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You’re not going to learn from advice or watching videos. Those can help just to be informed, but you have to throw yourself in situations and try. Make adjustments, try again. Keep practicing. Stop thinking you can’t do it. You just don’t think you can. It’s a limiting belief. This game is about throwing yourself into social pressure that makes you uncomfortable and learning how to adapt through experience. Videos aren’t going to change much.
/r/seduction11/10/24 03:51 PM
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You just need practice. It’s a skill to do this and you are new. Consider adapting useful mindsets as well.
/r/seduction10/10/24 11:15 PM
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It’s an inner game issue. You can look at it as a skill you are trying to develop. In game you can’t take anything personally or be reactive to things like rejections. The coaches I learned from would show infields of rejections and they would make it fun. They weren’t triggered by any of it. It was self amusement. It’s hard, and we are all wired differently. But if it’s hard, that should trigger a light bulb going off in your mind. The hardest things will level you up the most. It gives you the…
/r/seduction10/10/24 11:09 PM
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I follow karisma king, but you can find a coach you resonate with and stick with them. If you can find any of the old rsd programs from Owen, max, or Julian those would be good. Talk to people, because the programs are floating around and many know where to find them. Just dm a few people, ask around. But when you hear coaches talk about inner game, and game isn’t something you do it’s something you are, ideas like this, then they are teaching the natural style. Technical game is pretty easy to …
/r/seduction09/10/24 10:45 AM
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It’s a good message. My view is, learning the fundamentals of good game and then watching infields from coaches who have practiced, this can be very useful. After that going out and practicing is what matters most. I think If people like Todd v or others online are the only sources, it can be limiting. It’s only because people like Todd are very technical. You have natural vs technical game, and knowing something from both camps is useful. Rsd used to teach what they called natural game (inner g…
/r/seduction08/10/24 11:36 AM
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I still think it’s strange people are so fixated on exclusively doing daygame. There is nothing wrong with doing some daygame, but night game has so many options to practice, improve, and have more abundant approach opportunities. It’s like guys are afraid of group dynamics so they just do daygame. That said, Good job to OP for taking action.
/r/seduction08/10/24 11:20 AM
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Be fun, be bold, be man to woman, self amuse, etc... Experiment with being unfiltered to find out what works for you. If you flatline, then you are filtering yourself. Your thinking about what to say. Your worried about saying the right or wrong thing. Your stuck in your head. That is death in game. You want to turn this off and stop caring about outcomes. Experiment with ways you can keep the conversation going. Look up free association. You would be surprised what works. I've seen guys open wi…
/r/seduction07/10/24 04:41 PM
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You're most liklley not making a connection with them. Or not enough of a connection. You need to spend more time with the girls and come across as different from their other options. Make a connection with them. Find out about who they are, some of their interests, and share some of yours. Do these things after attraction is made. Think of seduction as a two part process. Attraction first, then connection. Sounds like you are doing attraction without making any sort of connection with the girls…
/r/seduction07/10/24 04:29 PM
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There are guys in their 50s doing this. I don't think there really is an age that is too old. Learn about the basic fundamentals. Get comfortable doing regular approaches. Make it a fun lifestyle. Then just play the numbers game. Consider combining online, social circle, cold approach, etc... Also consider going out to bars, and not just doing daygame. Spend about 6 months getting comfortable with the basics, then just play the numbers game.
/r/seduction30/09/24 09:16 PM
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One skill you’re building is learning how to deal with social pressure. If it’s uncomfortable, that’s good. It means your doing the work to level up. Adapt a mindset like that. Avoid negative self judgment. Have fun.
/r/seduction28/09/24 02:33 AM
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There aren’t a lot of good books on the subject of dating that I know of. It’s probably best to read some and find out for yourself. The issues you are having on dates will get resolved by going on more dates and just getting better. Practicing. Learn the fundamentals of game. It’s probably somewhere in the fundamentals that is causing your issues.
/r/seduction27/09/24 11:53 AM
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The technique I learned was to be non reactive and bait the amog to brag about himself. It’s needy and a turn off to women. He will blow himself out of the set. You can act like his friend the whole time. Guys putting on an act to impress women is a fast track to having no chance with them.
/r/seduction26/09/24 12:44 AM
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Sounds like your fundamentals are off. If you cold approach you shouldn’t be concerned about outcomes. You should be playing the numbers game, improving your interactions with each approach, and having fun. And if I were to guess, you’re probably only doing daygame like so many in this subreddit. There is alot you can do to improve things. But you may need to adapt new mindsets and focus on a few fundamentals.
/r/seduction26/09/24 12:31 AM
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Go out to bars and develop the social skill to do these things: Tap into your extroverted side where you can talk without running out of things to say. Just try to do it. Free associate, tell jokes, make fun of things, or have normal conversations. Just have the ability to keep the conversation going, especially in the beginning of an interaction. Don’t care about any negative outcomes. Just have fun when interacting. Learn to not care about rejections, old guy responses, or any negative consequ…
/r/seduction25/09/24 04:39 PM
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What are you willing to do? What kind of effort are you willing to put into this? Also, What is your current plan? If you had to guess, what do you think you need to do?
/r/seduction23/09/24 06:18 PM
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Spending more time with them may not always be an option. But, time is generally a good ally to lower your flake rate. If not that, then try to connect with the girl in the initial conversation. Talk about interests you have, find out about some of hers. Don't just do attraction (fun, cocky, etc..).
/r/seduction23/09/24 02:00 PM
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Your not making a connection with them. A seduction is usually attraction then connection. Some people call it comfort, others call it arousal. But you need to spend more time with the girl and be a cool guy.
/r/seduction23/09/24 12:00 PM
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Practice opening with the first thing that pops into your head. It’s not meant to be correct, or good, or make any sense. Have a fun vibe where it’s amusing to you to open with ridiculous shit. No logical well understood information exchanges. Instead turn it into self amusement. If the girl is like wtf, say say sorry, sorry, I’m just in a loopy mood. What’s your name? Or whatever way you want to transition with. Turn it into a game where you are proving to yourself that the opener doesn’t matte…
/r/seduction22/09/24 11:15 PM
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Ag Hayden has a YouTube video called “the ultimate guide to nightgame” or something like that. He has a daygame one as well. Watch those. It will give you good tips on where to start. You can also build social circles with night game. Something to keep in mind. You can meet women through friends, the traditional way. Make learning social skills a fun activity. You may need mindsets to deal with the social pressure and negative outcomes such as rejections. Those are the fundamentals you want to f…
/r/seduction22/09/24 08:04 PM
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The thing is you don’t need that much advice. You need to get into a lot of conversations with women and practice stretching yourself. Learn some basic fundamentals of game. If you can find infields from guys who are good, watch those to see what’s possible. Other than that, get into lots of conversations with women and practice pushing yourself outside your comfort zone. Take some risks. Night game is probably the way to do this.
/r/seduction22/09/24 07:29 PM
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Here are a few basic tips: You have to experiment and test things out to see what works. Look at the world as a social experiment lab. Focus on improving your interactions, not so much the end result. Just get a little better over time. Learn to love the process of having fun with people. Bring a fun vibe and try to game yourself. What makes you laugh? What’s fun or funny to you? Never take anything that happens too seriously. Develop your inner game so that your mood is mostly unaffected by neg…
/r/seduction21/09/24 05:35 AM
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The reason you get stuck in your head is because you think what you would say isn’t good enough, or that you will be judged, or you might have to deal with social pressure of some sort, etc… It’s not that you don’t know what to say. It’s that you learned somewhere in your life that not saying anything is a good strategy. You have to get into social situations, take risks by saying what’s on your mind, and get positive reference experiences from it. The more things go well, the more confident you…
/r/seduction20/09/24 08:22 PM
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Never understood why coaches promote boot camps. Mystery was running boot camps in the early days, and everyone just continued doing it. Coaching over time is much better. The goal should be to help the student achieve the result they are after. 3 day Boot camps won’t do that. Money is the other issue. $5000 is too expensive for a three day bootcamp. A student should get one weekend a month for six months for that kind of money. So, if you can solve the money issue and provide ongoing coaching y…
/r/seduction19/09/24 06:22 PM
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Over time try to expose yourself to different perspectives on game. There are alot of contrasting opinions. Don’t get too caught up on opinions. Ultimately this is about you testing things out and finding out what works for you. There are coaches that dont teach anymore who have products with infields. So you can watch them approach and listen to their breakdowns. This can be helpful. Those products are out there if you can get your hands on them. But whatever fast tracks you to going out and do…
/r/seduction19/09/24 12:05 PM
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Just say you are there to be social with people. It’s a challenge to go out solo and meet everyone in the room. The other thing is consider not caring what others think. How you may look to someone sounds like you care about their opinion of you. Instead, use any negative reaction as self amusement.
/r/seduction18/09/24 09:42 PM
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Solid review. We really need more people to report their experiences like this so people can get some insights. And yes, the price seems far too expensive to me. $1000 - $1500 sounds more reasonable. But, I’m glad coaches are out there.
/r/seduction18/09/24 04:12 PM
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Sounds like rsd tyler. But, it’s not wrong.
/r/seduction17/09/24 09:19 PM
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Is it possible your dating app changed its algorithm? Could be why your results have changed. Go to places where people are socializing and you can meet women. This is usually bars, but can also be social circles. Over time you want to develop a mindset where no social pressure that is thrown at you will bother you. It’s just a fun game, learn to not care about negative outcomes. Start small and just have 30 second conversations. Over time extend it to more. Start there. You won’t build attracti…
/r/seduction17/09/24 08:35 PM
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Todd is way too technical and too anti natural game. It’s ok if you’re into that. Todd knows what he’s talking about. Just know what your getting into. He teaches attachment to outcomes, and every scenario has a tactic to use. Seems like it would take a long time to learn.
/r/seduction16/09/24 12:21 AM
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Physical attractiveness is an opener. It can also improve your inner game since your beliefs can become in line with being an attractive guy. But don’t expect women to notice or respond to it. Some might, but most won’t care that much. Gaining experience approaching women and destroying your ego around looks is a better route. Then your not focused on physical attractiveness that much, just social skills and figuring out what women respond to.
/r/seduction14/09/24 06:17 PM
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Coaching is going to help, as long as it’s a decent coach. Especially if you aren’t taking action. A coach will get you approaching and speed up your learning. I agree it’s all over priced. But, that doesn’t mean it won’t help. Also some coaches do Skype coaching. It’s usually much cheaper.
/r/seduction13/09/24 11:27 AM
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I think people should try different things, find what works for them. If this works, than that’s great. I would think your social media profiles could really effect your results. If you present yourself as cool, fun, attractive, popular, etc… I would think that would help a lot.
/r/seduction12/09/24 07:38 PM
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This is spot on. However, I would simply it. Thinking is one of the problems with running out of things to say. Guys think they will be judged for not saying the right thing, or what they say won’t be good enough. Too much thinking. Get into as many conversations with women as you can and let the words flow. Try not to worry about outcomes, and just let it flow, unfiltered. Don’t think too much. Have fun with it, and practice. You will improve as long as you don’t get in your head about outcomes…
/r/seduction12/09/24 03:57 PM
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Don’t over complicate it. Either go to bars, approach during the day, or do both. But when you see an attractive girl, approach with a small interaction in mind. Just 10-30 seconds is all it has to be. Stay consistent, keep leveling up. Over time learn social freedom where you don’t care about outcomes anymore. Watch infields from people who are good, knowing a few fundamentals and mindsets can help. But don’t get too caught up in the details. Approaching with consistency is what matters most.
/r/seduction11/09/24 10:45 AM
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Find somewhere you can practice. This usually means bars. But, if you have busy daytime spots, that could work too. Next, come up with a consistant schedule. Make a pact with yourself that you will go out every fri/sat at night, and maybe sunday afternoon during the day. Or whatever you want to setup for yourself. But, 'consistency' is the key idea. If you aren't consistent with going out and practicing, then you won't make progress. Identify your main sticking points. Figure out what you need t…
/r/seduction09/09/24 01:36 PM
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It seems strip clubs can be decent practice since the girls will be nice to you on purpose. It at least gets guys into interactions where there may be some sexual intent.
/r/seduction06/09/24 11:03 AM
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200 isn’t that much. If someone did 50 approaches a week, that’s just one month of approaches. What is your sticking point? What skill are you working on that will move your interactions forward? Are you writing field reports? Are you making adjustments? Or are you doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result? When you look at progress in game, don’t think of getting the girl as a win. Think of a skill you want to get better at or some improvement in your interactions yo…
/r/seduction06/09/24 10:47 AM
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Yes, plenty of people do it. But, you will need mindsets to deal with the social pressure. You are likely to feel the spotlight effect when you walk in. You may feel really self conscious as if everyone is looking at you. Just prepare yourself for it, it's not a big deal. Turn it into a fun social experiment. Remember, when learning social skills, the things that are the most difficult are the things that level you up the most. You just need to practice. Doesn't matter if its walking through the…
/r/seduction04/09/24 02:34 PM
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One of the best things you can do is find wings. Not every wing will stay active and is serious about practicing, but if you keep finding wings when you need to, it should really help in learning game. You can give each other feedback.
/r/seduction04/09/24 02:22 PM
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This can easily happen to people. Try to remember that. To change things, start going out to packed bars and learn to socialize with people. Focus on self amusement and not taking anything that happens personally. Experiment with different things you can say and do. Try to be more spontaneous rather than thinking about what to say. Take social risks, practice being more unfiltered. As you meet people, you can build a social circle. You will meet women from bars and also meet people through other…
/r/seduction04/09/24 11:29 AM
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What you should be focused on is how to talk without filter. The issue is you have things you could say, but you don’t say them because you don’t think it will be good enough. Maybe you will be judged, the fear of the unknown, maybe she will be offended, maybe she will think your weird, etc… most guys don’t know what to say because they are stuck in their heads trying to think of the right thing to say. When you learn to say what’s on your mind in the moment and stop caring about how it will be …
/r/seduction03/09/24 09:31 PM
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Alcohol removes worries about outcome. There is no fear when you are drunk. But it’s a crutch. Drop drugs and alcohol, learn to have core confidence.
/r/seduction03/09/24 06:25 PM
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The best way to improve your game is to throw yourself into challenging interactions and learn from them. As for content, find the old programs that are floating around online. Watch infields from guys who have put in the effort to challenge themselves and have leveled up from it. You will see what game looks like and what’s possible. Anything from rsd max, Tyler, or Julian will do. If you don’t like those coaches, then find something that resonates with you. But chances are you already have muc…
/r/seduction01/09/24 09:43 PM
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Practice mixing self amusement with being unfiltered. Develop a mindset that you won't judge yourself negatively, no matter what happens. The main thing is to take social risks, remove the filter that you currently have, and never take anything personally. Then just practice. Have fun with it. It's not anything more than that. It's not complicated. But you have to stretch yourself. You can't just do what is already comfortable, you won't grow from that. Take some risks, and have fun with it. Rem…
/r/seduction28/08/24 02:34 PM
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This is what the game is about. You have something you are unsure of. Maybe it will seem a little weird to go out sober. But, you practice to discover the right mindsets and social skills to best handle the situation. Practice to get it down. Of course, you have to be careful with drunk girls. Don’t get yourself in trouble, use good judgment. But game is about having a difficult social situation and figuring out how to handle it in the best way possible. If it’s hard, it will level you up.
/r/seduction27/08/24 03:50 AM
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Forget about your friend and his results. He’s probably not doing as well as you think anyway. Try changing a few things. Look at every approach as self amusement. Even rejections. Make it all fun. Find ways to entertain yourself through it. The interactions shouldn’t be logical. Don’t start conversations with an information exchange. Again, find ways to make yourself laugh. Amuse yourself. See if you can get girls to have an emotional response (laughter usually). Try to stretch yourself as you …
/r/seduction27/08/24 02:02 AM
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Tyler learned from Ross in the early days. Things changed when rsd evolved and dropped most of the technical ideas, in favor of amplifying your natural game, vibe, state, inner game, etc…
/r/seduction27/08/24 01:47 AM
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Night game seems to have a much higher abundance of attractive women. Some places you won’t see an attractive women during the day all week. You have to consider your location and the options that are available to you.
/r/seduction27/08/24 01:34 AM
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The problem is you are worried you are way behind in life. You should be having fun, taking action, and not caring about these outcomes. You can be crushing it in your 30s, 40s, 50s, etc… But instead you’re “worried”. Your limiting factor is your current mindset and lack of action.
/r/seduction24/08/24 02:58 AM
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What are you noticing that seems to be the problem for him? If he’s taking action but getting no where, what are his sticking points?
/r/seduction23/08/24 01:52 AM
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Stop thinking about conversations as linear information exchanges. Learn how to have fun and become unfiltered. Learn about free association.
/r/seduction22/08/24 09:03 PM
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I think learning the basic fundamentals is useful. Both from what good game looks like and good mindsets you will need to be successful. For instance, if you are getting frustrated, dejected, etc.., when you get rejected 10 times or 100, you probably don't have the right mindsets. So, I consider all of it part of the fundamentals. Then watch infields from guys with experience who are pushing the limits for what is possible. Then you can see what real game looks like. I'm not referring to your ty…
/r/seduction22/08/24 02:03 PM
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If you did anything wrong, then yea apologize if you get the chance to. But, let's be real. There are cases where a guy gets a reputation like this because stuck up people try to single him out. Be sure you actually did something wrong. Because if you didn't, fuck them. And if you want to do well with women, try not to be needy and not to pedestalize them. The behaviour you are describing usually comes from those things. You were putting on an act to impress the girls and it had the reverse effe…
/r/seduction21/08/24 01:44 PM
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I think this is mostly right. You still need to show intent, let the girl know she is a dating prospect. If a guy just does the friend to friend chat and never makes a move, then nothing is going to happen. But, the numbers game is probably the biggest issue for most guys.
/r/seduction19/08/24 09:17 PM
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Depends on what you mean about fashion. Well fitted clothes will improve your look 1000% especially if you are in shape at all. It outlines the perfect male physique (wider shoulders, lean waist, v shape, etc…). Suits, colors, etc.., that’s a little different.
/r/seduction17/08/24 07:27 PM
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You seem to have most of what you need to get past this. I’d suggest look for wings, get some coaching, and throw yourself into the fire and get the reps in. You probably just need practice. The inner game issues you mentioned are common. But you’re in good shape, make decent money, and are at least average socially, so you should be able to transform your inner beliefs with solid practice.
/r/seduction15/08/24 02:10 AM
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I think you already know some of the issues you have. It’s all communication skills aka game related. The problem most guys have is they: Don’t show sexual intent Don’t make the conversations man to woman. Aren’t taking many chances on weekly basis. You need to play the numbers game where you are interacting with attractive women on a weekly basis (10+ per week at least), and you have to let the girl know she’s a dating prospect. She’s not your potential friend, she’s a potential sex partner. Yo…
/r/seduction12/08/24 06:22 PM
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If you get a chance, watch any of Jack Denmo infieds. He's a prank youtube guy, but you can see what a good natural style looks like. Way different from James Marshall. You will have your own journey into this, and will probably develop what you think is the right style. Todd V and Karisma King are two good current coaches. But, Todd is very technical, not very natural and has his own views on game. Karisma King is mostly night game, but teaches good principals. If you can find any of the older …
/r/seduction12/08/24 04:39 PM
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His game is really boring. Logical information exchanges for the most part. He has good fundamentals though. He makes the conversation man to women, his emotions are under control, no neediness, etc… But consider being more playful, teasing a bit more, creating a little push/pull or anything that makes the conversation a bit more emotional and fun. He’s way too boring and logical in my view. It’s purely a numbers game he’s playing and his flake rate is probably really high.
/r/seduction11/08/24 08:28 AM
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The best guys I’ve seen in game play down openers. They have infields showing themselves opening with the most ridiculous things. It really is the vibe that opens. The law of state transference means they will feel what you feel. MM is too in your head, too thought out. Using your natural personality is much better in my opinion. You found a gimmick that worked which is great. Keep doing it, and when you are ready, start talking to people as if you already know them. No opener needed. Just be in…
/r/seduction11/08/24 08:20 AM
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Social skills is what matters. Overplaying looks is what people on the internet do. In the real world it’s your charisma and how you connect with people that counts. You also get to use humor that others can’t do such as “I would have been here earlier but I got caught up looking at my abs in the mirror” or accusing a hot girl of being jealous since she’s a 9 and your a 10 etc… all said sarcastically and only if it’s in your natural personality to have fun with jokes like that.
/r/seduction11/08/24 08:08 AM
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It’s good you took action, but I wouldn’t say you conquered fear. Now you want to keep doing it, and seek out social interactions. Keep doing approaches. Learn from every rejection, or any mishaps you may have.
/r/seduction11/08/24 08:01 AM
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I would suggest to reframe your mindset. You’re not trying to prove anything to the girl. Nonetheless, If you want a good answer consider answering it honestly but turn it into something self amusing, fun, Or cocky, etc… “Im a security guard. You know, like the inside man on one of those heist movies. That’s why I got into the profession“ Or whatever makes you laugh. Turn it into a tease, push/pull, self amusement, etc... Point is to own it, turn it into something you are comfortable with and is…
/r/seduction10/08/24 01:52 AM
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That sounds great! It seems like if you put yourself out there enough and don't have crippling social anxiety, good things will happen. Do you think the game techniques were necessary? Also, how did you hook up with the 40 year olds? I'm an older guy and just wondering where others are finding them. Just bars with an older crowd?
/r/seduction07/08/24 04:08 PM
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You would have to find an experienced day gamer who has hit up all the cities to really know. It's one of those things you have to try and see what you find, or see if guys who game in these cities have opinions. One thing to consider for reference is a trend in social media right now. People are doing these 4k walkthroughs of various cities during the day and at night. You can see exactly what it looks like. For example, here is a video of what you may call "Street Game". It's a mix of day/nigh…
/r/seduction07/08/24 02:35 PM
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Your mindset that you see yourself as quiet and introverted is part of the problem. Being quiet just means you’ve gotten by in life by not having to speak up. It’s a learned behavior that has worked for you in other areas of life. You can also learn to talk without filter and say what’s on your mind. Alot of this has to do with mood, state, and gaining experience tapping into your more extroverted side. You just have to take social risks and not care too much about outcomes. And practice. Get th…
/r/seduction06/08/24 03:11 PM
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Daygame options in NYC are about as good as it gets. Just because there is so much pedestrian traffic. You should be able to make either city work. But, NYC is going to have an abundance of options.
/r/seduction05/08/24 08:10 PM
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Saying "Do you want two boyfriends" is a needy line. She may be saying the boyfriend line as an autoresponder. It means you come across like every other guy. She's swatting you away like the rest. Either that or she really has a boyfriend. Develop better opening game. Try to be more fun and interesting off the open. Some girls are going to say this no matter what and that's ok. But, try to make a better first impression. Look up attraction material. Try to find infields of guys who are good, wat…
/r/seduction05/08/24 03:57 PM
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It’s called the spotlight effect. As long as your intentions are good, expose yourself to it so you can get past it. Look at it as a way to level up. Seek it out.
/r/seduction05/08/24 11:54 AM
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The main benefit of looks is that you can develop the belief that you are worthy of a hot girl. You are in her league in your own mind. It's a mindset or confidence boost. If you can't back it up with real confidence it won't matter much. Women don't respond to looks like men do. But, its an advantage if you have it. Just be sure you don't use it as a qualifier for yourself. Otherwise, when you look good in the mirror you will have confidence, and on days you don't, then you won't. Let your game…
/r/seduction04/08/24 02:33 AM
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It just means say what's on your mind without holding back. You don't need to hesitate or think about the right thing to say. When people think they don't know what to say, or they run out of things to say, they are mostly worried about being judged for saying the wrong thing. Sometimes they get stuck waiting to say the right thing, and either say nothing or stick to safe information exchange conversations. Its mostly social conditioning. It's the way we are raised. But, you don't have to be hes…
/r/seduction02/08/24 10:15 PM
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The problem is the question your asking vs understanding the process to get past it. I'm older than you, but most here aren't 40, aren't field testing approaching as a 40 year old, and they aren't you. If you want to know if others can do daygame and approach younger women at your age, the answer is yes. Others have done it and it's not that uncommon for those who take action. This is just my take, and a general tip, but one way to open conversations is to assume familiarity. Practicing opening …
/r/seduction31/07/24 04:16 PM
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One big advantage of some clubs is promoters are seeking out the hottest girls and getting them into the club. It’s a total racket, because the purpose is to give them free drinks, give them access to tables, and block random guys from gaining access. Then find guys in the club who are willing to buy a table to be around those girls. I’ve only been to a few clubs, so I’m no expert. I’m sure every club is different. but I saw a video describing how it works. Seems like a total sham if you’re a gu…
/r/seduction30/07/24 09:13 PM
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A lot of infield I’ve watched, guys are gaming outside the club on the sidewalk and in the street. You may try walking outside and see if there is a crowd. It’s NYC so I would imagine people are everywhere.
/r/seduction30/07/24 06:57 PM
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This is the correct answer. The most experienced coaches I saw doing daytime or street approaches used no opener. They just started talking to women. Assumed familiarity, talked to them as if they already knew them. Intent was there right off the open. They would look at the world as one big set.
/r/seduction29/07/24 07:22 PM
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Toms podcasts were by far his best content. Seek those out. Other than that, he had stealth seduction which was his main product. His book contained all the teachings as well.
/r/seduction27/07/24 05:10 PM
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If you have options with other women, then you are fine. However, when a guy doesn't feel that he has options situations like this can put him in a bad situation. The girl can treat a guy like total crap and he will put up with all of it. He doesn't want to give up the sex, the girl, etc... So, having options matters. Just be sure you can walk if this girl isn't worth it. Don't be needy where you let her treat you like shit. I say all this because I've learned from experience.
/r/seduction24/07/24 01:56 PM
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The next time you talk to her approach in a way that is fun. Forget about the routines. Just be fun in a self amusing way, no outcome in mind. What you do will be based on your own personality, but just be in a good mood and make fun of something. See if you can get her smiling or laughing a bit. Dont try to impress her, don’t have an agenda or outcome. The only purpose is fun and to make yourself laugh. See if she joins in. If she opens up to you, just have a normal conversation. throw in a lit…
/r/seduction23/07/24 04:02 PM
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There is a difference between someone who is insecure and doing all sorts of things that turn women off, and that same guy, after practicing for a year, having confidence and knowing how to communicate to women in a way that makes him attractive. That’s the skill. It’s true that if you’re not her type it isn’t going it matter. What you are missing is how much someone can improve their communication skills and how that can drastically change their results. Looks, money and fashion isn’t going to …
/r/seduction23/07/24 03:49 PM
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Have you traveled to the nightlife area and spent any time there going out? Experiencing that first would be a good idea. Could save you the trouble of moving there, making the sacrifices only to find out you don't have the habits of going out all the time and taking advantage of it.
/r/seduction22/07/24 02:47 PM
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I think its fine you are making a post about this. For anyone who follows this space, you know too much time online isn't usually the best use of your time. It's a common problem guys spend too much time thinking about game, not enough time going out. Here is the thing. Without the insecure people, as OP framed them as, there wouldn't be a community here. It's always going to be a mixed bag. Public places usually work like this. And everyone starts somewhere. It's normal, especially for younger …
/r/seduction22/07/24 02:43 PM
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Your sticking points are very typical, so you are probably right where you need to be. And it's great you are approaching. These are solvable issues. Inner game is the conversation in your head. It's your inner beliefs. Outer game is what you say, what you do, etc... They are both connected. THere are a million ways to describe why we run out of things to say and how to fix it. But, it comes form thinking you may be judged if you say or do the wrong thing. Your not present, you are future projec…
/r/seduction21/07/24 07:52 PM
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Well you seem to know what people say about mystery method, so as long as you know the criticisms, nothing wrong with what you are doing. It’s good for starting out and you are doing lots of approaches, so that’s great. What do you think your sticking points are? What could have made your interactions better? Is there anything you think that is holding you back? What about mindsets? Inner game? Most of the routines will land based on your delivery and vibe, and inner game will play a big role. I…
/r/seduction19/07/24 02:25 AM
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For Chicago: Riverwalk, Millenium Park, Navy Pier, the Mag Mile (Michigan Ave). Those should all be good daygame spots. You can walk around those areas. Chicago also has a good transport system, you can use a river Taxi to get from Union station to the pier if you need to. Vadim from Honest Signalz sent this to me recently: "If you're under 25 old town, otherwise fulton market (drake hotel is dope af and some venues around). River north has some good action too, but some venues are ratchety so d…
/r/seduction18/07/24 06:29 PM
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Well, there is no part of rsd that tells guys to hi five each other and not talk to women. Each coach was different, but it’s mostly about getting out of your own way, and amplifying your attractive qualities. It’s not about a bunch of techniques. It’s about becoming attractive and learning what women respond to. I knew it’s the style of game I wanted to learn after seeing the premium infields. Mainly because I had alot of it developed naturally already. It might not be good for guys who need a …
/r/seduction18/07/24 02:53 AM
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What you described is typical of how most guys think. 99% of the population wouldn't approach and have the same conversation in their head. It comes from social conditioning. But, there are ways to get past it. Let me give you a sample process for going out to bars for someone starting out. Consider going out to bars and having 10 second conversations. Lower the bar of success to something simple like that. You don't even need a response back. If you get positive responses, negative ones, strang…
/r/seduction17/07/24 01:22 AM
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The best part of this was you felt great after the interaction. That’s the most important thing. You can laugh at it. As long as you have this attitude it’s easier to keep going. One thing you can try in the future is to call the elephant out in the room, and just tell her you are new to approaching and aren’t very good at it or whatever. Keep it fun. Most girls will be ok with that.
/r/seduction16/07/24 11:43 AM
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10k is way over priced. Most coaches charge too much in my view. But if you go on YouTube, look around and see if there is a coach you resonate with. Find out what they charge, see if they are doing boot camps, and sign up. Most coaches will do a Skype call where you can talk with them and see if their coaching is a good fit. I’d suggest watch ag Hayden’s ultimate guides to day game and night game, see if you resonate with him. Karisma king is another coach, watch a few vids. Both are legit coac…
/r/seduction16/07/24 10:43 AM
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Alot of this comes down to getting more social, finding a place to practice, and having a little info about a process you can put in place that is actionable. This is a solvable problem. The question is, what are you currently doing about it? I know you said therapy. But, what have you tried in terms of meeting women? Have you gone out anywhere? Tried online dating? Ever approached a girl cold? Also, do you have access to a city? Is it a decent size? And what about funds? Do you have money to sp…
/r/seduction15/07/24 09:28 PM
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Cultivate a life with lots of socializing. Take risks and interact with alot of people, including attractive women. Combine this with sources that teach social skills such as books, videos, etc… take social risks so you can improve. It’s just practice. Most people who ask about this aren’t taking action. They are staying the same because they aren’t stretching themselves and aren’t interacting with enough people.
/r/seduction15/07/24 11:48 AM
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You’re going to have to do alot more than this to attract a hot girl at a club. Would you expect anything different? They are used to getting hit on and every guy wanting them. Learn about game. You need to take the initiative and use social skills to stand out.
/r/seduction14/07/24 10:25 AM
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"Drop Routines" - Everyone uses a routine whether they know it or not. You can also expect all women to ask you these basic question: what's your name, where you are from, what's your job.... , so in this case, because you know what questions you will get, you can prepare your own answers, for example: if a woman tells you that she lives in the same city as you, instead of saying "ok, cool / me too", it is much more interesting to tell her "me too my neighbor" and give her a hi5 "hello my neighb…
/r/seduction13/07/24 04:14 PM
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Dropping routines, trusting in your own faculties, dropping most of the structure , using self amusement, fun, vibe, becoming a master of the moment, inner game, etc… MM was about what you do. The advancements are about who you are. Becoming an attractive sex worthy guy rather than acting like one. It’s all the natural style rsd was teaching.
/r/seduction13/07/24 01:17 AM
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The main advantage of good looks is the beliefs and mindsets it gives you. If you consider yourself good looking, it gives you license to believe you are worthy of a hot girl. When you get comfortable you can develop the mindset that you are at the same level as her. Funny thing is, you don’t have to actually be good looking. As long as you believe you are that’s all that matters. The downside to looks is you can also develop the belief that your sex worthiness is tied into how you look on any g…
/r/seduction12/07/24 08:45 PM
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You need to destroy your ego around approaching so it's not in the way anymore. Your thinking about it too much. The thing you fear is what you need to experience, many times over until you don't care anymore. Make the whole process of doing approaches a fun game. Learn to laugh at yourself, and kill the ego so it doesn't matter. That means you need to get rejected. Go to a busy bar on the weekend, and practice starting conversations with people, over and over. Maintain a positive attitude about…
/r/seduction12/07/24 04:38 PM
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Most people are going to tell you not to use MM. There have been improvements on what Mystery was doing since then. Although, some people still use MM and he understood alot about how the game works. I have seen infieds of people using MM, so it can be done. I would suggest if you really need to use routines to get through a conversation, try to drop it as soon as you feel comfortable and can improvise. Learn the fundamentals of good game. Adapt the right mindsets. Get a process together to prac…
/r/seduction12/07/24 04:30 PM
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Learn how to self amuse and have fun with people. Start small and work your way up. Make the goal to get out of your head so you aren't worried about outcomes. No thinking, just doing. Anxiety comes from anticipating negative outcomes, or unknown outcomes you think may be negative. Once you throw yourself into the fire enough times you brain realizes it's not anything to worry about and it's not a problem anymore. But, you need positive outcomes. By positive, I mean you know nothing bad is going…
/r/seduction10/07/24 03:08 PM
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Stop worrying about it. It's normal at 22 to be in your situation. Focus instead on becoming more social and working on social skills. That is your road to solve this issue.
/r/seduction10/07/24 03:03 PM
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You lack experience so you are over thinking everything. Right now it’s best not to over complicate an interaction. Get into situations where you can meet attractive women. Sounds like you have access to this, so that’s good. Now think of conversation as a mix between two things. Basic boring small talk that everyone does, and emotional spikes. The boring talk is, what’s your name, what do you do, where are you from, etc… spikes is where the magic is, and you want to get creative and find ways t…
/r/seduction09/07/24 11:10 PM
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First, lower the bar for opening conversations. Don’t think of what to say ahead of time. Learn to deal with whatever happens after you open. You have to take social risks to do this, but it’s worth it. Practice saying all sorts of opens. Try saying anything that amuses you in the moment. Try introducing yourself. If you have canned openers, try those. Open with a joke. Open with something situational. Try using no opener where you start taking to the girl or her group as if you already know the…
/r/seduction09/07/24 10:56 AM
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This sounds right. Most guys that are experienced and good don’t complain about everything that’s wrong. They don’t make excuses. Some places are going to be better than others, but you have to find out how to make it work. And perhaps OP like 99% of this group should consider doing approaches that aren’t always daygame. Go to bars lol. Build a social circle, use social media, etc…
/r/seduction08/07/24 03:51 PM
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The “community” is weak now as many modern guys have reverted back to how things used to be before mystery hit the scene. Not everyone is like that, but many are. There are a few coaches that are legit. But, the good news is the old programs (rsd mostly) are not being sold anymore, but you can find them online if you look. They have the best infields and advice from experienced coaches. But like I said, there are still some good coaches and people taking action. It’s just mixed with guys who thi…
/r/seduction04/07/24 12:50 AM
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A basic structure is attraction -> comfort. Look at cocky/funny as attraction and calm as comfort or vibing. Generally you start with attraction until the conversation hooks, then tone it down and make a connection, with occasional attraction spikes. But each girl will be different. You want to learn to calibrate. Read the signals and decide when you need attraction, and when you need comfort building. A general rule of thumb is attraction lasts 30 seconds to about 5 mins in, and comfort can be …
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:46 AM
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The fix for this is to wake up every day with a sense of purpose. You need to find something else you want to accomplish in life that really drives you. If it’s something that benefits others, even better.
/r/seduction03/07/24 12:38 AM
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Toastmasters sounds like a great idea. It’s a great supplement as is improv classes. But, you still need to socialize with people and especially women. Do both.
/r/seduction02/07/24 09:26 PM
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Chicago is good for daygame and night game. You won’t have a problem finding lots of people. It’s a big city, so lots of bar options, day game spots, etc… When winter hits not as many people walking around, but inside shops there will be. Thing is, in the summer you could probably find wings by just walking around and spotting guys doing daygame. Start a chat with them.
/r/seduction01/07/24 09:20 PM
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The reason people say to move on is because some guys make women uncomfortable by staying in set after the girl has made it clear she has no interest. Don’t be that guy. Just know when is the right time to move on. If the girl isn’t into you, don’t waste your time.
/r/seduction01/07/24 04:32 PM
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They are either leading the conversation or using these gestures to take the lead. Ask yourself this question: who is in reaction to whom? Or, who is reaction seeking? You just have to learn how to lead. Whoever has the stronger frame wins. Learn how to have a stronger frame or get her to react to you.
/r/seduction01/07/24 04:29 PM
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Unless you are doing some sort of reset where you want to be by yourself and do your own thing, it’s best to focus on getting social. Go out and meet people on a regular basis. If most guys had an active social life, there probably wouldn’t be any dating scarcity issues even if you have no game.
/r/seduction01/07/24 04:20 PM
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You’re on the right track by trying to be unfiltered. The problem may be that you aren’t self amusing and/or aren’t believing in what you are doing. Your body language is giving your lack of confidence away. It’s not about free flowing, it’s about adding to your fun and getting the girl to join your party. Make sure you are gaming yourself and having fun. Don’t let any reaction bother you, it’s about your fun. But, read the signals you are getting from the girls and calibrate. This is all attrac…
/r/seduction28/06/24 11:59 PM
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The crazy thing is this is the right answer. Most people are saying be good looking, etc… that’s not it. Be fun, in the moment, mostly unfiltered, and not in your head. Take social risks to push yourself outside your comfort zone so your not playing it safe. Then after you have a connection, let time do the work for you with occasional spikes of fun. Whatever you do, don’t get into a logical information exchange with women.
/r/seduction28/06/24 06:32 PM
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Most towns are going to be like this, unless you are in the right location. Big cities are usually good locations. College towns as well. But a lot of places, there aren’t a lot of attractive women walking around. In a town like you described, you probably have to find the right bar to go to. There are attractive women, but they aren’t all in one place, unless you find the right venue.
/r/seduction26/06/24 10:31 AM
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If you want to connect with women, understand they respond to good emotions. Logically boring guy talk is going to make you like 99% of the other guys. Instead, try to have fun, say things that are out of the normal context, make fun of things, etc... As for topics, dating and relationships are usually good ones. Or find something she is into and talk about that.
/r/seduction20/06/24 04:01 PM
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I think the big problem with a post like this is the assumption that the competition is high. It is not. It is very, very low. That's why good game works. If all things were equal, yes it would be hard. But, most guys have no idea what women respond to or what value is to most women. They think high value is about looks or money. They pedestalize attractive women, sometimes without even knowing they are doing it. There are a million other things guys are doing that make them unattractive to wome…
/r/seduction18/06/24 02:11 PM
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When you say you keep dealing with girls that aren’t into you. Do you think you can change that? Sounds like you’re not generating attraction and that could be the issue. Most experienced guys in the game never blame the girls for their lack of success. They always put it on themselves to level up. For every sticking point there is a solution, you just haven’t figured it out yet. That’s the mindset. Not saying you are blaming anyone, but it sounds like you are thinking these girls aren’t into yo…
/r/seduction18/06/24 02:36 AM
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Focus on the process and developing skill. Don’t worry so much about results, unless you aren’t improving. You need quality and quantity of approaches to get better. You should be learning and making adjustments, testing out different ideas, pushing your comfort zone, etc… What do you think the issue is? How could your interactions be better? Where is it you need to get improve? What is happening during your interactions that is causing girls to not be interested or reject you?
/r/seduction17/06/24 06:42 PM
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Karisma king or ag Hayden are both for real in terms of knowing what they are talking about. I can’t speak for coaching, but they both are coaches and will meet with you online first.
/r/seduction17/06/24 06:39 PM
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Common, read between the lines. His point is it’s a skill and his results are much better now that he has improved. The actual ratios aren’t that important.
/r/seduction17/06/24 06:33 PM
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People are going to trash on products. Sometimes they hate the coach, don't think you need it, or something along those lines. If you are serious about learning, hearing what experienced coaches have to say on the subject, including infield examples, are going to be valuable for anyone who is serious about learning. These products do have flaws, but still are worth having a look at. The way I see it, imagine you had 3 or 4 friends that were really good at game. And then you talked one on one wit…
/r/seduction14/06/24 01:34 PM
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If a girl likes it and wants you to do it, that should make you comfortable with it. The girls who like dirty talk are usually direct about sex and are ok with the topic. You can also just start taking about sex as if it’s normal conversation you have with women, see how she responds. It shows you are comfortable with it, your real and aren’t afraid to speak what’s on your mind. But, you have to read the situation because not every girl will be open to it.
/r/seduction14/06/24 09:58 AM
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Well, she asked about the phone, not in person. And if you plan on talking on the phone at all and the situation is right, why not? Not everything is about getting laid right now.
/r/seduction13/06/24 03:31 PM
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This is the right answer. As long as OP doesn't mind moving around. Anywhere around Michigan Ave (Mag mile), millennium park or navy pier would be great for daygame. Bars are everywhere as well.
/r/seduction13/06/24 03:16 PM
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It can be a huge turn on for women when you talk dirty to them. I’ve done this over the phone and later had women ask me to talk dirty to them. It can be a huge sexual trigger. But, I’m a guy and the male voice was probably part of this.
/r/seduction12/06/24 11:19 PM
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One of the fundamentals of attraction is letting go of outcomes. You stop caring so much about what other people think of you. As long as your intentions are good, and you can recover if someone does feel uncomfortable, then there is nothing to worry about. You just need to practice and experience the good and the bad, then your brain will realize it’s not a big deal.
/r/seduction12/06/24 05:37 PM
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No, I don't have that program. That's Julians newer content. Some people don't like Julian now because he isn't hard core into pickup like he used to be lol. But, I'm sure the content is good. Julian and Owen put a ton of time into cold approach and improving social skills. I consider them both to be experts, but there are plenty of haters as well. Sometimes just mentioning their names can derail a thread lol.
/r/seduction11/06/24 03:32 PM
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Just watch them to gain an understanding of the fundamentals. Another program is hotseat from rsd tyler. That will have a lot of infield examples. But pimp and hot seat are both good. I have more as well if you want any, just message me. But, you probably don’t need to keep watching more programs. Just get a basic process for learning in place. Ag Hayden has an “ultimate guide to night game” and “day game” videos on YouTube. Those are decent for getting started. Todd just released a good one for…
/r/seduction11/06/24 09:41 AM
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Vadim from honest signalz is a good source. Just watch a bunch of his YouTube videos. Most of the old rsd coaches were the ones who first brought this to the seduction community, but most aren’t teaching anymore. But if you can find vids from rsd tyler and his programs, that would be a good source. Ag Hayden and karisma king are current coaches that teach from this perspective.
/r/seduction10/06/24 09:35 PM
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One approach is better than nothing. But, having a regular schedule of going out and doing approaches will level you up. One off approach here and there probably won’t amount to much. You could always get lucky though, and a few approaches are better than none.
/r/seduction08/06/24 07:27 PM
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You’re missing social skills. That’s what you need to improve. You have to interact with lots of women and learn what they respond to and how to trigger attraction. All those other things you listed doesn’t fix that.
/r/seduction06/06/24 04:04 PM
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This essentially comes down to a few basic things. First, looks (or being in shape) plays a role and does matter. All you really need is the baseline. Low body fat pct, with a little muscle. You don't need to be big and jacked. You can be, but the advantages are either zero or a few percentage points. Think of the statue of david. Most women are physically attracted to a natural male body that is fit and athletic. It doesn't take years to develop this body and isn't that hard to maintain. For mo…
/r/seduction04/06/24 03:20 PM
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Going out to a bar and talking to people is a social skill. It’s something you can learn. It can be your starting point. But, your mindset may hold you back. You need to get into a positive headspace and learn how to enjoy the process. If you’re judging yourself after every interaction, it probably won’t go well. You have to make it fun. You can’t take anything personally and learn to handle social pressure. Also, losing weight isn’t going to take the rest of your life. Most people will get to a…
/r/seduction03/06/24 01:59 AM
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One thing I’d ask is do you think you could handle rejection? Do you think you could desensitize yourself to it over time? Main reason why is if you could handle it you could be more direct with guys. Go after what you want. Maybe not in the same way guys do, but still showing intent and seeing how guys respond. You could cut through a lot of bs if you could let guys know you’re interested in them, see how they’d respond. Go through the ones who aren’t a match, and find the ones who are.
/r/seduction30/05/24 03:42 PM
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The simple answer is to start going out to crowded bars on a regular basis and get good with people in general. Start there. Talk to various groups. Learn how to open conversations. Focus on basic small talk and work on improving over time. I can provide details, but it just complicates everything. Main thing, go out and start working on basic social skills. You will meet attractive women if you do this. Later, you can improve on other things like how to generate attraction. But for now, learn h…
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:28 AM
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Owen cook aka rsd tyler is one of the most popular coaches in this space. He’s mostly retired from teaching pickup, but he does a free tour and will be in Chicago in August. Probably will be opportunities to meet lots of wings there and a good event. I’m sure he will talk about game in a way that isn’t possible on most social media platforms.
/r/seduction30/05/24 02:14 AM
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Interacting with women is a form of self amusement. It's how you roll, and you are just sharing a fun vibe with someone. There is no ass kissing involved. If you supplicate to the girl it's a turn off for most women. You're the prize, just have fun with people. Acceptance or rejection isn't that relevant because you are just sharing a fun vibe that elevates your state.
/r/seduction29/05/24 02:00 PM
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I'm not sure I would call that an approach. But, act normal. Don't make a big deal about talking to her. If the opportunity arises, have another conversation, but this time try to spike her emotions a little more, make her laugh. Find something self amusing and banter with her a bit. Talk to her as if you already know her. Assume familiarity. If you're not good at this, you can make fun of the company or a manager or something. Compare him to a cartoon character or something. Or think of somethi…
/r/seduction23/05/24 03:46 PM
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There is a lot i could say about this, but appreciate the effort you put in, not just to do the approaches, but to track the numbers. I think there are better ways to learn other than James Marshall or the London style, but at least it’s been a starting point. Great job.
/r/seduction22/05/24 05:12 PM
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Learn the fundamentals of game from an rsd product, such as hot seat. The rest is going out and learning. Field experience is king. You would learn this from most rsd products.
/r/seduction21/05/24 10:40 AM
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It’s going to be hard to know without seeing your interactions. But, when you close it should be obvious to you both it led that. Sounds like you aren’t generating enough if any attraction. Are you self amused? Is she joining your party and being led by you? Are your interactions man to woman? Is that clear in your intent? Is the interaction escalating to sex? Is there any sexual tension?
/r/seduction20/05/24 12:32 AM
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There are a few take aways from this. First, rsd tyler recently put out a video showing him approaching girls on the street while he warms up. He has a shit ton of experience. One of the girls told him to fuck off. He did nothing wrong, was just talking to people and being outgoing. His reaction was to laugh at this to himself as if he’s people watching and being entertained by how random people can be. The other take away is an incident like this can help to level you up. If you can be amused b…
/r/seduction20/05/24 12:16 AM
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Find the busiest bar in the area, and go there. Also, if there is a near by university, that can also be a good place. Hit the bars there as well.
/r/seduction19/05/24 02:10 AM
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If you were reactive at all that would lower your status and that would probably kill your chances. If you were unreactive and treated it as no big deal, then there could still be a chance. Depends on what the girl read off you when she turned you down. It needs to be not a big deal in your world.
/r/seduction19/05/24 02:06 AM
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Daygame should be extra sets. It should be a skill you want to develop because there will be times in your life you see a hot girl walking by and you want to have skill to do the approach. But, to depend on nothing but daygame is not probably a good use of your time. Think of the skill more than the results. Add night game to the mix so you are amping up the number of people and women you are meeting. Same thing, think of the skill to attract/seduce more than the results. Results still matter. B…
/r/seduction18/05/24 03:40 PM
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You’re on the right track. You don’t have to take this route, but one option is decide to start networking. Do it for future business opportunities but also to build a social life. Combine going to events and meeting people with social media such as LinkedIn. Read sales books about it, learn how to create engagement. Get excited about future opportunities that will open up if you meet enough people and build a solid network. Also go out to bars and clubs and focus on improving social skills. Jus…
/r/seduction17/05/24 03:34 AM
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If you’re going to do mall game, you may try something simple that takes 10 seconds. Ask for directions or anything else that is easy. Stretch it out little by little. Go watch vadeem from honest signalz. Watch his daytime approaches. That’s all you need to do. Have fun, be non serious, playful, self amusing , and learn how to make casual conversation and improvise a bit. Keep it light and build confidence around that. Level up over time.
/r/seduction15/05/24 09:47 PM
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Bad idea. You should want to embrace the discomfort so you can level up. Not avoid it. You can’t improve if you avoid it. Your mind needs to go through it. Using alcohol will simply make you dependent on alcohol to game.
/r/seduction15/05/24 08:50 AM
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There are guys in their 50s doing well and stepping up. It’s not an age issue. It’s an action taking, working on the fundamentals, and adapting the right mindsets issue.
/r/seduction14/05/24 10:42 PM
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Depends on what you are after. Night game is the gym for your social skills. Its where you can practice and improve. Online dating isn't going to improve much, except what you get out of the dates.
/r/seduction13/05/24 07:31 PM
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I was also confused by this. I didn't read the entire post, so it may have deserved to be locked. But, cold approach and seduction are tied at the hip. It's the main reason people are here. Perhaps the guy didn't talk about seduction, just technical parts of an approach?
/r/seduction13/05/24 07:03 PM
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It’s all about mood. Pump up your state by talking to people, one after another. Have fun with each one. It will put you in a more extroverted state and showing more emotion will be easier.
/r/seduction06/05/24 11:00 AM
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It’s not about pretending, but actually not caring. Have fun, some will work out, others won’t. Who cares. Enjoy women, enjoy the game. It doesn’t have to be a negative event.
/r/seduction05/05/24 08:45 AM
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It's not to suggest this is always the way it works. Some women will like you and it may not matter if you spike things up. And that's only for attraction to happen. After that you usually build comfort with the girl which sounds like you are already doing. Its just alot of guys do nothing but comfort building with no attraction. It makes them like 99% of other guys she already has options with. And it gets your friend zoned, since there is no real attraction. You also have to lead the interacti…
/r/seduction05/05/24 07:58 AM
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Your problem is you’re not generating enough attraction. You may be going right into comfort building without any attraction. Looks like you recognized this already, which is good. But, you are probably getting friend zoned. The other problem is it’s one girl your referring to which suggests your not really practicing anything to improve. You just noticed this, which is still good. When this happens try and few conversational techniques to see if any work. Cold read. Take any question and turn i…
/r/seduction04/05/24 07:19 AM
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Another one is “I’m 72, but have a great plastic surgeon.” Most important thing is to not care. And get your game to where their selective focus is on a fun charismatic guy, instead of an old one.
/r/seduction01/05/24 08:33 PM
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There aren’t many good books in the subject. Read the game for entertainment, motivation, and exposure to some fundamentals. The better way is find someone with lots of infield examples and get their product. Then go out and approach. Learn from doing.
/r/seduction01/05/24 10:54 AM
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Your mood and the situation should dictate how you open. Focus on your mood and the right words will flow out. Allow yourself to say the wrong things, and get comfortable with it. Then you can learn calibration and natural patterns of words that are authentic to you. Forget about the lame direct or indirect openers people use online. They are all clones of each other. Find what is authentic to you through experimentation. What you posted is fine for training wheels if you really need them. But, …
/r/seduction01/05/24 10:29 AM
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What matters most is you don’t care what anyone thinks. Women want men who are comfortable in their own skin, and not putting on a facade. So, whatever is comfortable to you, whatever you like the most, that’s the way to go. Guys who are really good at game don’t pedestalize women, they value their own opinions of themselves over all others, and aren’t in their heads about what other people think about them. Your mindset should be you are awesome, your mood is awesome, you are on your path and p…
/r/seduction01/05/24 10:18 AM
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Two things. First, you care too much and that’s where this is coming from. It’s all personal development, aka game, and you just have to do the reps. It’s inner game. Second, what are you capable of? Can you do 5 second interactions? If it’s daytime, can you ask for directions? If it’s night, can you run an opener like “hey how’s your night going”? Just do quick easy interactions. Then slowly expand over time.
/r/seduction28/04/24 10:08 PM
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Making connection with the girl and standing out from everyone else can lower your flake rate. Odds are these girls see you like every other guy. Unfortunately some of these girls have lots of options so one more isn’t a big deal to them. You may need to make more of a connection when you meet them. And be different from 99% of the other guys who they have options with. And then play the numbers game. Meet more women. Go for 30 numbers in a week rather than 6 months.
/r/seduction28/04/24 12:16 PM
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When you look at it all, that conversation in your head and your results, what do you think you can improve on? What would you like to be better at that would improve your situation? Is it mindsets and having a more positive reaction to your results? So inner game related? Is it getting better at some part of the interactions? Is it making it all more fun and moving away from being so results based? Maybe focusing on the fun and social skill development instead of the results? Or something else?
/r/seduction26/04/24 03:42 PM
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Yes, I can list a few. But try to keep in mind how this process works. To get good with women, its just social skills you are developing. You run into a situation where you aren't good at something. Maybe you don't know how to open, or hook a conversation. You try, and your emotions are all over the place, voice trembles, negatively judge yourself, or whatever. You have some kind of sticking point. We call these sticking points. Something that's holding you back. Guys who are good at game never …
/r/seduction26/04/24 02:26 AM
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I have some resources I can share with you. I'm not selling anything, I just have picked up a ton of content over the years. I'll message you if you have an interest.
/r/seduction23/04/24 02:25 PM
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There aren’t many good books on the subject. It’s hard to describe pickup with words as infield examples are much more informative. Words usually over complicate it. Just keep in mind, after mystery guys started to realize it wasn’t the routines that mattered, but the principles behind the routines. It’s about developing your social skills and becoming an attractive person where the words and lines weren’t the main focus. Routines can turn you into a pua robot that depends on rehearsed lines to …
/r/seduction23/04/24 10:19 AM
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Some guys never get shit tests. It depends on how you interact. Most tests come from girls that are “maybe” girls not “yes” girls. They are unsure about you, but see you as a potential prospect. You sound like you are playing the numbers game and it either works or it doesn’t with “yes” girls. That’s not really game.
/r/seduction23/04/24 10:01 AM
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It’s one of those things that you can figure out more as you interact with women. Find out what works for you based on your personality. One way is to sexualize conversations. Have a playful conversation and accuse her of hitting on you in some way. You can misinterpret something she says as a sexual advance on you, or wanting to have sex with you right now, etc.. You can use your eyes, look at her in a way that is sexual as you interact. Some guys use touch. Reach your hand out, spin her around…
/r/seduction23/04/24 09:52 AM
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The problem most guys have in your situation is they don’t show intent. They talk to women like platonic friends and it never goes anywhere. You can do it with words, body language, or actions. It can be playful or direct. But it should be clear to women that they are a dating/sexual prospect as they interact with you. Remember, most guys never show intent. You will stand out from them if you do. But, you may have to time it right. Other than that, a few conversational techniques can help spike …
/r/seduction23/04/24 03:09 AM
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You’re doing the main part which is talking to people. So that’s good. Here are a few other tips if they help: Adapt a positive mindset where nothing that happens will get to you. Never take anything personally, never react to an approach with negative self judgment or negative mindsets. Keep it light, fun, and positive. No matter what. Try to get into a great mood and build momentum as you talk to more and more people. A good mood can help alot in this game. Self amusement. If you make people l…
/r/seduction22/04/24 08:09 PM
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Go talk to ten more girls. Each time you will desensitize yourself to the outcome. Of course, if you get in your head and self judge you will stay stuck where you are right now. You need to improve social skills with women. That’s it. It doesn’t have to be complicated. But you are too worried about what happened. You are too attached to the outcome right now. You just need to get more reps in combined with good mindsets.
/r/seduction19/04/24 07:40 PM
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Stop comparing yourself to others and go out with the intent of improving yourself socially. That’s not complicated. Turn it into a fun lifestyle where you learn what women respond to by having fun with them.
/r/seduction19/04/24 11:51 AM
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keep in mind, if it’s a physical issue that is causing ED that can be fixed with exercise. It’s a blood flow issue. I would think this is rare in younger guys, but it’s still possible. Especially if you are sedentary. Try doing alot of cardio over 2-3 weeks and see if your issue gets fixed. A little exercise won’t fix it. But, alot will. Just don’t over do it and get injured. You can do walking, running, cycling, treadmill, etc… pick one. Again, it needs to be enough. So, don’t do daily 30 min w…
/r/seduction16/04/24 09:52 AM
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It’s all based on you. Doing well with women isn’t something you do, it’s something you are. That’s why tips and tricks will only help a little. It’s not addressing what really matters, which is to transform you into a guy that women are attracted to. You don’t change yourself with tips and tricks. That doesn’t mean you can’t play the numbers game and stay the same. Some women will find you attractive. That’s why the numbers game is practical for most guys. But, if you want to become that guy wo…
/r/seduction16/04/24 09:37 AM
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You could have been getting the foreigner effect where women are attracted to guys who aren’t from the given country. Doesn’t sound like there was much you did to trigger it. Do you speak Japanese? Can you get by only speaking English?
/r/seduction15/04/24 10:50 AM
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Go out to bars that give you the most social opportunity and consistently go out 3x per week. Play the numbers game. You need to interact with a lot of women to increase your odds and improve socially. Develop a mindset and core confidence where nothing gets to you in terms of game. Rejections aren’t a big deal. Negative outcomes are all learning lessons. You know you have value and are attractive, and nothing that happens will deter you from those beliefs. Practice opening. Start with quick 10 …
/r/seduction14/04/24 08:44 PM
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There are three types of girls: Yes, no, and maybe. Most are going to be maybe girls and that is where the game is mostly played. You found a yes girl, cool. But don’t think you can’t improve and level up. The numbers game matters, but so do your social skills.
/r/seduction14/04/24 08:26 PM
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Find a place where you can practice interacting with women. You will need to practice a bit to get the emotions under control. Bars are usually where this happens, especially in big cities. Be sure there are enough women to meet. Play the numbers game. Realize that you can turn approaching into a fun game where you aren't attached to what people think of you, rejections, or the outcome. Become a master of the moment. Catch yourself when you start self judging or having negative mindsets. Turn it…
/r/seduction12/04/24 07:56 PM
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Keep in mind, good game is about reading signals you are getting from the girl and having social awareness. I think you're on the right track. Just don't be an idiot and make people uncomfortable by forcing yourself to do uncalibrated things while getting nothing but red lights from the girl. Be sure you're learning what the feedback means and adjust your communication to the situation. Go for it for sure. See what responses you get. But, don't be ignoring the feedback you get either. Learn from…
/r/seduction11/04/24 07:48 PM
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You have a lot of detailed advice so far. I’ll just say one thing about game and social skills. You have two options when social situations give you anxiety or you are afraid to say or do something. First, you can not do it, be safe, and probably be frustrated with your lack of action. This is where you are right now. The second is you can reframe the situation. Look at anything that gives you pause or anxiety as an opportunity to level up. Instead of trying to figure out how to be more bold, in…
/r/seduction11/04/24 03:56 PM
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Consider that most of your learning is from doing approaches and learning from each one. Learn to enjoy the process of doing approaches. Always be positive, even if you get rejected. Learn the fundamentals. Not everyone teaches them, not everyone knows them. But, seek out the fundamentals of what works for most guys who are good. You want to train yourself to love the process of going out and approaching. When you feel terrified and have approach anxiety, seek those situations out and embrace th…
/r/seduction10/04/24 05:57 PM
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Positive emotions are always good. Laughter, surprise, shock, all while laughing or enjoying the interaction. If you hear the girls vocal tonality go up with things like “you’re so bad!” Or “how would you know!” Things like that. Any emotion is a good emotion though. It’s been field tested (especially by rsd julian). Just remember one of the worst emotions is no emotion. Being boring is the one thing you don’t want to be. That’s why any emotion is good.
/r/seduction10/04/24 04:56 PM
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It’s one of those things you will probably have to experiment with and find what works for you. But, you can show intent with words, eyes, body language, touch, etc… If you search at Todd v’s YouTube channel, he probably has quite a bit of advice on this. Do you think your current topics of conversation could be better? For instance, where she is from is not that exciting, but asking her what kind of guys she usually dates, or if she goes to clubs, that can turn into a more fun conversation that…
/r/seduction09/04/24 08:18 PM
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I haven't looked at this, but AI is the future of seduction learning. There are so many possibilities. Just think about this. You can record infields and use AI to mask the voices. Basically, it can change the voices to different ones to hide the identities of everyone. So, there is no exposure to anyone. And AI can keep all the inflections of the voices. It can be perfect, just a different voice. It will be able to do this with video as well. We may not be there yet, but it's coming. As for you…
/r/seduction09/04/24 12:52 PM
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There are a few things to consider. First, if your game was on point the age issue may not even come up. Everyone has a selective focus. We don’t see everything, we focus on a few basic things. It’s how the mind works. Is she seeing an older guy hitting on her, or is she having fun with this new person that has a really cool vibe? She won’t even see the age if she is caught up in the moment with positive emotions. The other thing, a good frame should be you are just a social person having fun wi…
/r/seduction09/04/24 10:37 AM
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It’s a simple concept and I think OP gets it. Are you the guy she wants to sleep with now, or the guy she wants to be in a relationship with. Just keep in mind, Owen also talked about the best way to get a girlfriend is to start as the lover and move into the provider over time. So, learn game. Have fun learning what attracts women. Then find a girlfriend from having a choice of options.
/r/seduction08/04/24 11:24 PM
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Keep it simple for now. Your issue is you are having friend to friend conversations, not man to woman. There is no sexual intent. The girls see you as another girlfriend or gay best friend. This is common for most guys. Try to be a little provocative and bold, and spike things up once in a while. Think of self amusement. How can you make yourself laugh? Can you purposely misinterpret something she said, and make it look like she is a sex addict? Or whatever makes the most sense in the moment. Yo…
/r/seduction08/04/24 11:16 PM
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I’m a musician, been playing most of my life. And you can’t go wrong with learning musical instruments. And if you have talent, there isn’t anything better you can do. Massive social proof when you are famous (even in a local community), and can move people with a performance. People rave about you when your not around, everyone wants to be your friend, etc… But, even an interest can be good. Do it because you want to though. Not just for women. And if not music, then do other things. Be on your…
/r/seduction08/04/24 11:06 PM
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You can try picking a topic you think you can improvise off of. Dating and relationships are usually good. You can misinterpret what she says, then accuse her of being a sex addict, hitting on you, etc… Come up with some ideas and try them out. See what works by testing things. Once you are getting interest or attraction, you can also practice qualifying the girl. Get her trying to win you over.
/r/seduction08/04/24 08:39 PM
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Do you think you need more practice to get past sticking points, or to level up your game? Or are you comfortable doing daygame approaches? If you need more practice, then yes you need to do more approaches. They don’t have to all be the ideal girl. Practice on ones that aren’t perfect. But, if you don’t really need practice, then you just need more options. That sounds like a location issue.
/r/seduction08/04/24 08:21 PM
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A lot of companies will allow you to ask like you did. It’s when you keep trying that it becomes a problem. I’d say consider it a no, and move on. No big deal. Don’t let it become awkward. Act normal with the girl as if it’s not a big deal at all. What women worry about is guys who won’t take no for an answer, or make a big deal out of it all, etc…
/r/seduction08/04/24 08:11 PM
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There is alot that can be said on this topic, but to keep it simple, just introduce a topic that you can improvise off of. Men/Woman topics are good, relationship topics are good, etc... It's much better than, where are you from or what do you do. Just try to introduce a good topic, then do playful push/pull teases off of that. What you have to understand is you are doing what 99% of other guys are doing. It's keeping it comfortable, safe topics that you are used to asking. You need to stand out…
/r/seduction08/04/24 06:32 PM
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It’s a dilemma, and you should definitely work to avoid the negative mood and mindsets. Sounds like you care too much. You have some neediness and it’s manifesting in these negative mindsets. What I was taught was to make the game itself the focus and learn to love the process. Detach from outcomes. It’s all self amusement.
/r/seduction07/04/24 09:47 AM
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It sounds to me like you’re doing great. What would you say are your sticking points? What are you wanting to improve? Are you uncomfortable at all? You should be, unless you are playing it safe. Improvement usually happens when you stretch yourself. Also, what about inner game? What is your mindset after leaving any of these interactions? Is it positive and having fun, or negative and self judging? Or something else?
/r/seduction07/04/24 09:35 AM
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Indirect is fine. But, opening with something that obviously isn’t true and you’re only saying it as an excuse to talk to her, it’s a weak way to open. I say, stop worrying about the opener and open with fun self amusing energy. Avoid engaging the logical mind. On the other hand, If you get strong IOIs when you approach, then go direct if it feels right. I do agree direct has been over done. Guys do it on autopilot and they are all clones of each other. And the girls aren’t always receptive. The…
/r/seduction07/04/24 09:06 AM
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Go to places where you can meet a lot of people, and practice opening conversations. You will probably struggle. You may have to do things you aren’t used to. This stretches yourself and that’s where you improve. You learn mostly from experience. Test things out, see what works from trial and error. Always keep a positive mindset. The whole game should be fun, even rejections. There are sources to learn from, but I would start with just trying to work a room. Learn how to open. Then, you can see…
/r/seduction05/04/24 05:47 PM
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Forget about your past and avoid any kind of victim thinking. Some guys think they have bad results, bad circumstances, life is unfair, and they blame this or that for their lack of a dating life. Everything is within your control to excel in this area. It has nothing to do with the past. And it’s a decent life skill to recognize when you are falling into “I am a victim” thinking. Focus on the solution, not the problem. You have to play the numbers game. The more opportunities you have interacti…
/r/seduction05/04/24 05:01 PM
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Your filtering out one of the highest volume areas to meet women, just because you don’t drink. You can do that, but you are limiting your options. Try to think of all the places where attractive women will be at where you can socialize with them. That’s where you need to go. It’s usually going to be one or a combination of bars, daytime approach, dating apps, hobbies and activities, or social circles.
/r/seduction31/03/24 08:43 AM
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Don’t over think it. Social dynamics happens in the moment so it’s spontaneous. Think about topics you can introduce that are easy to free associate off of. “So what kind of guys do you usually date” “Were you a nerd growing up” Or anything else you can think of that seems natural to you. Those kind of topics make it easy to riff off of and create playful teases. For practice, next time you are in a good mood and watching tv, try this. Press pause after a character says any line. Then improvise …
/r/seduction27/03/24 11:38 PM
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Solid write up. It covers alot of fundamentals. This is essentially the best way to do it. It can be explained in many different ways, with different details, but no need to over complicate it.
/r/seduction27/03/24 11:26 PM
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This is another way of saying you need to show intent. I agree with that. Only thing is, every girl, environment, and situation is unique. So it depends on the situation. But, one of the biggest problems guys have is they don’t show their true intent. The girl sees them as a friend only, there is no spark or attraction.
/r/seduction26/03/24 11:55 PM
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Whatever makes you feel like you look good, that’s what counts. It will give you a confidence boost. That’s the main benefit from looking good.
/r/seduction26/03/24 11:46 PM
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All for what? Julian had a t-shirt that said "No Fatties" and had an infield where he pulled a girl's head into his crotch. Not a good move, but she was laughing with him when he did this. She was not offended. Those guys were trying to make the most outrageous and entertaining videos about game they could. Most of what happened to Julian was a reaction by white knights and feminists that hate guys who teach game.
/r/seduction26/03/24 02:55 PM
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Guys were way more dedicated back then. Everyone was testing things out to see what worked, then bringing that to the community. There was many forums and lots of youtube videos. Now days you see a much softer response, some people saying it's about looks, status, etc... So, yes many have lost their way and the old community was great in many ways. But, the truth is the content is out there. And the competition couldn't be lower. Very few guys are good at game, or they think its about looks, and…
/r/seduction26/03/24 02:52 PM
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Desensitize yourself to social pressure. Do lots of approaches and each time gain feedback. Make adjustments and keep approaching. The goal is to stop caring about outcomes. Get to a point where you are just having fun and it doesn’t matter that much what the responses are. Some guys have even done exercises where they approach, open, then say “well, I ran out of things to say. You girls are hot as shit and…” or whatever. It’s meant to desensitize you to social pressure by seeking out awkward on…
/r/seduction25/03/24 07:43 PM
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Real game is what women respond to. And your money isn’t it. How you behave and how others respond to you, aka social skills is the critical component. I won’t try to convince you otherwise. So, feel free to believe what you like.
/r/seduction25/03/24 10:59 AM
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Looks and money are almost never going to get you the girl. If you think you can impress a girl with how much money you make and she is going to start dating you because of that, then you don’t understand women. Most women will see you as try hard and lose all attraction. Looks helps, but works the same way. Looks are an opener, and icing on the cake. But you need a good cake first. It all comes down to game and social skills. Luck plays a role too since some girls will like your type. But, look…
/r/seduction24/03/24 12:35 PM
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“Hey, you guys look like your having the best time here. What are you celebrating” If that opener is true, then the it makes sense. If it’s not true, then it’s a little joke where you are being sarcastic. “Hey, how is your night going” “Hi. I’m (fill in your name)” “Oh my god, you won’t believe..(improvise anything to this)” But here is the thing. It’s not about finding a perfect opener. It’s about coming up with one, and trying it out. Get feedback. Then decide what adjustments you can make to …
/r/seduction21/03/24 05:31 PM
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Make the focus social skill improvement and having a good time. As soon as you walk into a venue by yourself, can you open a conversation with any random group of people? Probably not and that’s fine. Now you have something to work on. Go work on how to open conversations with new people. Work on destroying approach anxiety. Have fun doing it. Become interested in what makes people tick.
/r/seduction21/03/24 01:28 AM
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You’re living in a bubble of comfort and you have beliefs that are holding you back. The best thing you can do is look at the next few years as an adventure in improving social skills and meeting new people. You’ve done the loner thing. Now try and be more social and deal with everything that comes with that. I’ve done both. Had a huge social life, was in a band and played out regularly , went out to bars and house parties every week, etc… And I’ve also been a loner doing my own thing. It’s easy…
/r/seduction21/03/24 01:19 AM
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You’re referring to outcome independence. Focus on the process not the outcome. It’s the social skills you are getting better at which is the main focus. Always be positive, never have self judgment. Learn to laugh at it all and turn it into a fun game. As long as you’re not making people uncomfortable you should be fine. Guys that get good do alot of approaches and aren’t attached to outcomes. It’s all about social skill improvement and having fun with people.
/r/seduction19/03/24 10:28 AM
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There is such an obsession with daygame here. It’s like guys are afraid of night game. Just do night game. If there are enough people in your town you will have lots of approach opportunities. If your town is too small, then you may have to go elsewhere. Get good with quantity and quality of approaches. As long as you are pushing your comfort zone there should be things you learn with each approach. Test things out, experiment.
/r/seduction19/03/24 10:23 AM
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Being attractive and good game isn’t something you do, it’s something you are. Tactics don’t change any of that. That said here are a few things that can spark attraction and get you out of logic mode. Misinterpretation. Purposely misinterpret something she says, and turn it into a self amusing joke or tease. You should be having fun with it. The sky is limit on what you can do. If you want to practice, watch a tv show. When a character says any random line, pause it. Then misinterpret the line …
/r/seduction19/03/24 02:47 AM
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You have to play the numbers game. So, figure out where you will be getting a lot of options to meet new women every week. This is usually bars for most people. But, it’s not going to happen in your living room and probably not your local mall either. Consider the main problems most guys have with women. They talk to them like friends. There is no sexual tension, no teasing, flirting, etc… So, plan on learning how to show intent and have fun with women as you interact. Don’t have an outcome and …
/r/seduction18/03/24 07:39 PM
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There are guys in their 50s pulling young 20 somethings in case you were wondering. They are out there, but their game is rock solid as well.
/r/seduction18/03/24 02:59 PM
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You’re probably not showing intent, or making the conversations man to women. You may be acting like a nice guy and there is no attraction. It’s mostly platonic. Take a few risks to move it into a direction where you are a little more bold and sexual. Try something that feels like a risk, a little more edgy than what you are used to. Just one or two things, experiment. See what happens. When something works, keep doing it. Level up, then add something new. If you need something specific, try mis…
/r/seduction17/03/24 01:53 PM
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Getting attractive women is about playing the numbers game and developing social skills. 99% of guys aren’t doing that. I can write up perspectives on this, but it’s really that simple. Learn from guys who are experienced and have walked the same path. Take action, invest in yourself. It’s not about anything else or any pre ordained fantasies. Most people aren’t leveling up, they aren’t taking a lot of action, they aren’t improving themselves. So, no need to compare yourself to them, unless you …
/r/seduction15/03/24 10:10 AM
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The problem is you care. You care about what happens. Your ego is damaged and its getting in the way. You have past trauma as well so this is probably affecting you. This is a normal reaction. Most people have some version of the same thing. Especially at your age. I'm older, but went through something very similar at 22. Some pickup coaches will have guys do drills where they get rejected over and over to the point they stop caring. That can be brutal and you don't have to do that, but you get …
/r/seduction12/03/24 06:42 PM
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Here is the thing. Some people have to work a little harder to make things happen than others. It can happen to good looking guys, bad looking guys, introverts, non introverts, etc.., it can happen to anyone. So, just accept that you may need to put a little effort in. As soon as you buy into the reality that you can have a good dating life with some effort, and put all your attention into that, the better. Some guys can get stuck on a downward spiral focusing on all the negatives. But, once you…
/r/seduction12/03/24 04:35 PM
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The skill you should be working on is how to open conversations with people you don't know. Not sit down and wait. Practice opening. If it's hard, just do quick opens for short 10 second interactions. Then build more and more as you progress.
/r/seduction12/03/24 04:11 PM
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If you aren't connecting, then you need more comfort building with the girl. It can't just be attraction all the time. Spend more time building comfort.
/r/seduction12/03/24 04:08 PM
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As soon as he supplicates to the girl it’s pretty much game over. For many guys, this is an auto response. Try to impress the girl with something. It’s an instant turn off since she sees it as a form of manipulation. She wants you to be the right guy, not convince her of it by selling her on something. It’s not fool proof, every set and girl will be different. But for the most part, most guys will take the bait and try to impress the girl with something if you lead him in that direction.
/r/seduction12/03/24 06:04 AM
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Here are a few suggestions. Try them if they make sense for you. Do something simple that is easier for you to do at first. Just ask for directions or something similar. When you can do that, give her a compliment. You can give the compliment then say have a nice day. Then make your interactions a little longer each time. Try to think about game as something you learn through experimenting. Instead of finding the best opener online, try some things out and see what feedback you get. Learn from e…
/r/seduction11/03/24 06:18 PM
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It’s better to do that and learn from it, then be boring like 90% of everyone else.
/r/seduction11/03/24 11:41 AM
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There is a technique you can use to destroy guys like this. Most guys have an ego, especially guys like this. What you can do is encourage him to brag about himself. Act like you are just being normal and are not reactive to anything he is doing. But, see if you can get him to brag about himself in some way. Or talk about his accomplishments, or try to impress the girl in some way. Women see this as supplicating to them and they will lose all attraction for the guy. At the same time don’t be rea…
/r/seduction08/03/24 05:56 PM
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That’s totally fine. Some guys connect to using routines and things that are memorized. If that works for you, keep using it. We all have to find what works best for us. For me I have some natural ability to free associate, be cocky/funny, etc… and being more natural always seemed like better game to me. But, there are plenty of guys who do things like you described. I would just suggest to someone who is new, be aware of lines and routines vs being more natural. You may resonate with one vs the…
/r/seduction08/03/24 05:36 PM
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If you do that you aren’t being authentic. You’re trying to act like someone else. Your natural mannerisms are almost always going to be better. Most people can see through the act. Good game is mostly about becoming an attractive person. It’s not about what you do, it’s about what you are. You can fill in a million lines that accomplish the same thing. It isn’t the lines, the structure, or the act that makes it work. It’s the person behind it that matters. Inner beliefs, confidence, experience,…
/r/seduction08/03/24 12:06 PM
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I don't think there are many good books in this space. Approach it like you would approach anything you want to learn about. Read from a selection of books. Make up your own mind about how to proceed. Just remember, field experience is king. Go on dates, meet women, interact with women and people in person, work on your social skills. Then use the books as supplemental material. You should read Mystery Method just so you can say you read it. There are fundamentals in there and you will see at le…
/r/seduction07/03/24 08:35 PM
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If you have been going out for years, you probably have more field experience than most here. But, what you describe sounds similar to what some coaches have said. It’s in your vibe, sub communications, inner game, etc… not so much in the words or technique. You also may have blind spots (things you are unaware of) that a good wing may be able to point out.
/r/seduction07/03/24 05:26 PM
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Sounds to me like you are too invested into what other people think. Maybe stop worrying about what is creepy, and instead focus on how you communicate and experiment with different approaches. And if you are running out of things to say, that's the same issue. You are worried that what you say may not be good enough, so you are filtering yourself. Try to break out of all of it and start taking a few social risks. Just say things that seem fun to you. What makes you feel good, what makes you lau…
/r/seduction06/03/24 10:56 PM
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When RSD studied naturals and the social dynamics involved, game became not something you do, but something you are. It became about becoming an attractive guy by working on your social skiills, game, and all the things that women respond to. It wasn't about lines, structure, routines, etc... there is a deeper layer at play, and the words aren't nearly as important. Most coaches are doing this at the surface level, they are just rehashing lines and using what has worked for them. Once you unders…
/r/seduction06/03/24 02:59 PM
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Sounds like girls are not getting a sexual vibe from you. You’re too friend to friend and need to make the interactions more man to woman. Consider a vibe where your actions pump up your own state. Where you don’t need the validation of others to feel good. You don’t say something funny, wait for the girl to respond, and depending on her reaction you get a good vibe from it. You’re on your path and purpose and your own actions get you into a good flowing vibe. Assume attraction. Once you’re havi…
/r/seduction06/03/24 12:49 PM
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If you are willing to go out and do lots of approaches, you will realize over time that any one approach isn’t all that important. That you have the ability to not care what a total stranger thinks. And any rejections are a rejection of your game, not you as a person. Combine that with a little core confidence. Meaning that if some random girl is harsh in rejecting you, you can laugh at it because you are grounded in who you are. You’re not defined by some random girl who wants to cut you down. …
/r/seduction05/03/24 07:47 PM
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Your problem is you care too much. You have to destroy your ego so you simply don’t care about one interaction. Have an abundance mentality so you know you will be approaching lots of women. Stop caring about outcomes.
/r/seduction05/03/24 05:44 PM
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Don’t just do day game. It has its flaws as do other environments. Mainly, lack of approach opportunities. Spread yourself out across all areas that make sense to you. Social circle, online dating, bars, hobbies, concerts, etc… Try to not focus so much on tactics. Think about becoming an attractive guy through practice, trial and error. Think less about what to say, how to open, etc… learn to improvise using your natural personality. But you need to play the numbers game. That’s one reason day g…
/r/seduction05/03/24 05:29 PM
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Great that you are out and taking action and doing it solo. It looks like you need better venues, maybe scope that out for a few weeks. Find out where the most attractive women are at and go there. If the place is dead, you may want to just bail and try a different place.
/r/seduction04/03/24 04:51 PM
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I think the advice is decent. But, people should consider spreading yourself out and meeting women in all sorts of different environments. The Gym, concerts, bars/clubs, bookstores, hobbies, etc... The Gym is one place. But, there are others where you can find many more approach opportunities.
/r/seduction04/03/24 04:18 PM
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I feel like I'm in a low state of mind most of the time, because as I was growing up I was treated as a low status guy from my friends and family, I had no close friends to speak of, only the ones I played sports with and those too were rude and bullied me a lot. I felt like a weak man most of my life and it doesn't help that no one hits me up even now. This is a big part of the problem. You are using your past as an excuse to why you are a certain way. Some would call this a victim mentality. I…
/r/seduction01/03/24 04:32 PM
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Find something that lets you travel to different cities to get used to traveling. Then go out to bars in each city. Talk to people when you’re there.
/r/seduction29/02/24 10:33 PM
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It wouldn’t hurt to get some training in case you ever need it. Then you can walk away on your own terms.
/r/seduction29/02/24 05:33 PM
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This is the right approach. I’d only add that encouraging the guy blow himself out is also an option. You can ask him questions that get him bragging about himself. Women will almost always see this is supplicating to the girl, being try hard, and relate it to looser behavior. Why is he compensating? That’s why she will think. So, be non reactive and you can also encourage him to brag about himself. Then just continue to have fun with the girl.
/r/seduction29/02/24 05:28 PM
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Go somewhere where you can play the numbers game. You have to practice to see what works. Try not to overthink and absorb loads of details about game. Instead think about breaking out of your comfort zone and learning how to have fun with people. Get into a flow state where the right words just flow out of you. No thinking needed. Be different from everyone else, don't have the same boring conversations everyone else has. Have fun with the girls. Tease them playfully, etc... Also, adopt a mindse…
/r/seduction26/02/24 07:47 PM
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The issue is you are thinking about what to say. That's like alot of guys who think about their opener, then go and try to use it. Instead focus on your mood. Think about getting into a state where you are having so much fun you don't care what comes out of your mouth. Everything works. There is no self judgement, your just having fun with people. I'm not suggesting to never complete a sentence, you can have normal conversations. Some threads will be logical and linear. That's ok. You need a bal…
/r/seduction26/02/24 07:21 PM
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Guy: So, where are you from? Girl: San Diego. Guy: Oh, that's great. I've always wanted to visit there. What do you do for fun in San Diego? Girl: I don't know, I went scuba diving once. Guy: Wow, how did you learn how to do that? It sounds complicated. Girl: Yes, I had to take a test and study first, Bla, bla bla, That's a boring linear conversation. One thing leads into another and another. The girl's mind is logically engaged. She's never going to get attracted that way. She may still like th…
/r/seduction26/02/24 03:49 PM
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Go out with the intent to do a lot of approaches and have fun. Learn to not take anything seriously. Laugh at it all. Go and experience everything. Positive interactions, running out of things to say, not knowing how to open, being told your old, etc… just throw yourself into the fire and get reference experiences. Teach your mind that even if the worst thing happens, it’s not a big deal. You can laugh at it. Get momentum. And when you do, just keep doing approaches. Learn from every approach an…
/r/seduction26/02/24 11:39 AM
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There are a few things. First, try to think of doing cold approach as a way to learn social skills. It’s an art form and a craft. Put the focus on improving how you communicate, aka your game. That should be the focus. You’re just trying to improve on something, such as your interactions just being “nice” as you said. Try to let go of the outcome that your results aren’t good after 100 approaches. The results should be social skills improvement. Not numbers, getting dates, etc… there will be a t…
/r/seduction26/02/24 10:56 AM
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You have to play the numbers game. So figure out where you are going to do that at. If it’s not going to happen in your local town, then find a way to get into the right location. Nothing has changed in terms of in person attraction. You don’t need gimmicks. Just interact with loads of women and practice showing intent and having fun. Every single approach is a win. You either get the girl or gain a learning lesson. It’s all upside. Just go out and have fun. Self amuse, never taking anything ser…
/r/seduction25/02/24 06:43 PM
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You need to take social risks and combine that with no self judgment. You have to not care if you say the wrong thing or the words don’t come out right. Learn to laugh at it. Self amuse. Shyness means you are playing it safe. You probably learned this years ago and it worked when you were growing up. But now you need to take social risks and prove to yourself nothing bad will happen. Then you can become more unfiltered. Shyness is really just a social pattern. You have many others including bein…
/r/seduction25/02/24 06:29 PM
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Everything you described sounds to me like you need to improve social skills. It’s all about the vibe your putting out, it’s not connecting with women. 90% of guys do the same thing. You need to stop trying to win the girl over or impress the girl. Don’t think you have to say or do the right thing. Your pedestalizing the girl when you do this, and you will never put out the right vibe. Consider this. Here are examples of what generates attraction: Eye contact Vocal tonality Body language Sense o…
/r/seduction25/02/24 06:18 PM
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There are very few really good sources today. Most are going to focus on the surface level, such as what to say, what to do, etc… The best and most experienced teachers teach that game isn’t something you do, it’s something you are. It’s about deep identity level change. It’s focused on the principles behind why tactic a or b work. The tactics, structure, words, etc.., aren’t as important as the principles behind why they work. Look for teachers that teach from that perspective and have alot of …
/r/seduction24/02/24 01:24 PM
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The best "abundance mindset" comes from approaching lots of women, having enough success that you know there are plenty of options. Even if its just approach options, if you're playing the numbers game you simply won't care that much about any particular girl. But, even a mindset shift to stop focusing on one or a few girls can be helpful. However, it's best to actually play the numbers game where the abundance mindset is real. Then you stop making a big deal over any one girl or even a night of…
/r/seduction20/02/24 02:37 PM
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You need to experiment with different things to find out what works best for you. If all you are doing is the same approach over and over, and its not working that well, you need to change some things up. That's what the game is. You should be experimenting. Learn how to game yourself. I'd say, start going out to bars and clubs since there are usually way more opportunities to approach, you can get a lot more practice in. But, if you want to just meet people during the day, experiment. Don't jus…
/r/seduction19/02/24 04:48 PM
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Let go of the outcome. Stop caring about how people react to what you say. Say things because it pumps you up and is fun. Make the focus yourself. Self amusement. Same as before, but say and do things because it makes you laugh. Not because you are trying to make others laugh per say. Don't seek the validation of others. Say and do amusing things because it's how you roll. Other people will find it amusing as well. Use good judgement, don't make people uncomfortable and don't be mean to people. …
/r/seduction19/02/24 04:40 PM
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I agree with this mostly. I’d only add learning how to show intent, sexualize conversations, escalate things in a man to women way, they are real things as well. Just having fun and not overthinking isn’t everything. But, it’s at the core of where most guys struggle. Everyone wants to put on an act to get the girl. It’s when you don’t do that when the real you comes out. That’s what women want.
/r/seduction18/02/24 03:51 PM
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The focus should be on destroying your ego around thinking it’s creepy to approach younger women. Or that you care what others may think of it. Go experience what you are most worried about. That people will think you’re creepy. The goal post is when you stop caring what people think, even if they think it’s creepy. So that is the finish line. When you stop caring. You’re not there now, but you will get their through quality and quantity of approaches. Truth is there are younger women who’s pref…
/r/seduction17/02/24 04:29 PM
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The problem most people have with opening is they think whatever they would say isn’t good enough. Or they will be judged. So they get stuck in their heads trying to think of what to say. That usually makes it worse. You have to lower the bar for what a decent opener is. Prove to yourself that you can open with just about anything. Alot of game isn’t about knowing the right thing to say or do. It’s about not knowing what to do, doing it anyway, then getting feedback. Make adjustments, level up.
/r/seduction16/02/24 10:06 PM
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Your focused on results. That’s most likely part of the problem. The goal should be having fun, meeting people, improving yourself, and learning about social dynamics in terms of connecting with women. Look at results as your social skills improving. Make the entire game fun. Be sure you are stretching yourself, pushing your comfort zone. If you don’t take any risks, nothing will change.
/r/seduction16/02/24 09:58 PM
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One day you will be older and realize how ridiculous it is at age 20 to think this way. You have your entire 20s, 10 years to work on yourself, and then you will only be 30. You can do it for another 20 years from there is you want to. At age 20 you aren't supposed to have your shit together. That's called being normal. Instead of having a negative view on everything, why not focus on what is possible if you put some effort into your social life. Plan to start going out to bars and socializing w…
/r/seduction16/02/24 02:49 PM
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Go out and experience all those things you fear. That you will be judged, it will feel awkward, that you will get the spotlight effect where you think everyone is looking at you. When you do this take on the attitude that nothing can get to you. You will view everything as positive no matter what. For the main reason that you have a rule that you won’t allow other people or environments like this break your positive vibe. The guys who are good at game have this attitude. You can’t let anything b…
/r/seduction14/02/24 05:10 PM
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If you usually show no intent that she is a dating or sexual prospect, then yes drop doing that. Your not making your intentions known. This is what most guys do and it’s why they get friend zoned. What you should be doing is playing the numbers game and experimenting with direct and indirect approaches. Do this to the point that you aren’t thinking about direct or indirect anymore. You’re just reading the type of girl it is, the type of situation it is, and doing what is most effective for you.
/r/seduction14/02/24 12:09 PM
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Karisma king and ag Hayden are both experienced coaches. They aren’t as popular as some, but they know what they are taking about.
/r/seduction12/02/24 05:35 PM
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Decide what kind of investment you are willing to make. Are you looking for a few tips and will go out once in a while, or do you want to take lots of action and learn game? YouTube is the best resource, but you may not be able to spot the best coaches. If you want to put some effort into this, seek out coaches that say things like “game isn’t something you do, it’s something you are. “ it’s not about the lines, it’s about self development of your social skills, confidence, and inner beliefs. No…
/r/seduction11/02/24 11:59 AM
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Night game will be better in most locations. This is because attractive women go out to bars. There are going to be many more options at night in most places. Most guys won’t find enough high volume areas to approach during the day. There are exceptions and you seem to be in one of those locations. Generally student towns will be good for day game. Big cities can be good too, but it’s hit and miss. Also consider you will get older and will probably move at some point. Student towns won’t always …
/r/seduction11/02/24 11:51 AM
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It’s a legendary book. It’s about how to get along with people and have good conversations.
/r/seduction09/02/24 02:46 AM
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As I was saying, most of the pickup advice for guys will be to go get rejected over and over to the point you stop caring. Then make it a fun game because your ego isn’t involved anymore. Learn to laugh at it. It’s like therapy. Exposure to the social thing you fear combined with positive mindsets will go a long way to killing your ego. The ego isn’t always a good thing. It can make us get in our heads about things, when we really shouldn’t. It’s also good in other situations. But, doing a littl…
/r/seduction08/02/24 05:40 PM
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An abundance of options will help. Not making a big deal out of any one person because you know there are others out there. From a guys pickup perspective, the advice is to destroy your ego so it doesn't matter anymore. But, that may not apply if your not playing the numbers game, which is mostly a guy thing I think. But, the less you care, the less your ego will be involved.
/r/seduction07/02/24 03:36 PM
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People have learned more about social dynamics since MM was out. Some of the newer coaches were wings of Mystery and went on to advance beyond routines. The main thing to consider is learn the fundamentals. Learn about inner game. Then play the numbers game and field test everything. Learn from experience. Poke holes in what you see in books or online. Some guys who get good question if they ever needed any of the content in the first place. It depends on how confident you are when you start. Th…
/r/seduction06/02/24 03:29 PM
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What options do you have in your town? Bar’s are usually the standard place where women go out to, especially night clubs. If your town isn’t good, is there a near by city? Is there a near by university? High volume areas is what you want. If not bars, then combine other social options. There isn’t a magical answer to this. It’s usually bars, big cities, being more social, etc…
/r/seduction05/02/24 05:16 PM
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You need to destroy your ego around what you described. If you do, you won’t care about those things anymore. Right now you care too much. Go get judged. Get rejected. Have some girls tell you that you aren’t attractive. Do it over and over while practicing not caring and laughing at it all. Develop some self worth and a few helpful mindsets and none of these things will be a problem anymore. But you have to expose yourself to it.
/r/seduction05/02/24 05:10 PM
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You’re doing what most guys do. Your acting like her friend so that’s the bucket she puts you in. You have to make your intentions clear, make the conversation man to woman. There are many ways to do this, but you need to level up and take a few risks. You’re playing it too safe right now.
/r/seduction04/02/24 11:26 AM
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I don’t live there, but NYC is one of the best places you can be for dating. Big cities in general are good, and NYC is top of the line. You have options. I would consider bars since this is where alot of single women are going to be, but they are everywhere in NYC. A lot of guys go there for 6 months or so, just to escalate their game.
/r/seduction30/01/24 10:49 AM
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Go watch Jack Denmo infields. It's not about direct or indirect, its about being natural. It's far better than direct game as a routine. Most direct guys are saying the same thing every time, following the same structure, etc... It's very surface level. Watch an indirect natural style and you will see how much better it can be.
/r/seduction29/01/24 03:41 PM
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Getting fit will help in two areas. First, your inner confidence will be greatly improved. This makes you more attractive. Second, you will be more attractive to women from a physical standpoint, so you will get a small boost there. However, don't expect girls to all the sudden find you attractive and its all blue skies and green trees. If you have no game, if you don't play the numbers game, you are going to have to get lucky or have a lack luster dating life. Work on your game, it is what matt…
/r/seduction29/01/24 03:38 PM
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Women respond to sub-communications, not logical conversation. Yes, the words matter to an extent. But, fun, or charismatic, or leading, dominant, or any other vibe has very little to do with the words. Body language is most of the communication, not the words.
/r/seduction28/01/24 05:33 PM
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Your doing the right thing. One of the fundamentals of game is to do those things that make you uncomfortable. Destroy your ego and conditioned beliefs around it. And keep a positive vibe about it all. Sounds like you are doing this already. Just be sure not to get discouraged and fall into self judgment. Keep it fun. When you get positive outcomes, your confidence will build. So, the more nights you talk to people and enjoy yourself, the better. Don't get complacent. Keep pushing your comfort z…
/r/seduction28/01/24 05:26 PM
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What would be something that would move your forward? If there is something you would like to accomplish, what is it? Is it opening better? Is it keeping conversations going? Just getting comfortable in the environment? Maybe its some things you want to avoid? Figure out something you want to improve, and go out with the goal to improve on it.
/r/seduction27/01/24 09:13 PM
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Most moved on from mystery style game because they found their natural personality better than using routines. It’s more authentic and dynamic in the moment. Most guys that ran routines sound robotic. And your not really developing yourself. You’re depending on a routine to accomplish something, when you could do the same thing better when your more in the moment. People found it’s not about the words or routines, rather it’s about beliefs, delivery, non verbals, etc… But, those two guys have be…
/r/seduction26/01/24 11:35 AM
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I do think style left the community because he wanted to have a writing career and didn’t want to be associated with pickup artists. But, he got addicted to sex and couldn’t resist the temptation, and cheated on his wife while doing so. I think that’s mainly where it went wrong for him. The game is still a great book as it’s about a guy with a problem who took massive action and changed his life. But, there are cautions as he’s an example of. Although, Most guys don’t take enough action to be in…
/r/seduction24/10/23 05:08 PM
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To me, I don’t really care if it’s easier in one place vs the others. It may not be that way for everyone, and for most it won’t matter anyway. They don’t live there. Go to a location that is practical for you, and learn how to succeed there. Game isn’t about traveling half way across the world just because you have better odds. It’s about becoming the exception. That said, nothing wrong with traveling to places for a vacation or experience. But, I wouldn’t move just because the women seem easie…
/r/seduction19/09/23 05:27 PM
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I knew people would get tripped up when I said “the numbers game.” I only meant it seemed simple, and not overly focused on game elements. More random, at least it sounded that way.
/r/seduction30/08/23 05:45 PM
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I think only the OP would know. We would have to watch his interactions to know for sure. But, social skills can always improve. Find areas where you can be better, or that you think will improve your interactions , drill on them.
/r/seduction29/08/23 11:01 PM
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This is an example of playing the numbers game. There are probably things you were doing right, but it doesn’t all have to be broken down. Keep it simple and don’t over think. Much of this game is using your natural personality and trust your instincts. There is alot that can probably be improved. But who cares. Have fun, play the numbers with a little confidence and intuition.
/r/seduction29/08/23 04:27 PM
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There are yes, no, and maybe girls. The game is mostly played with maybe girls, but you can mess things up with yes girls so it applies there as well. It’s all fairly simple.
/r/seduction03/08/23 08:30 AM
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Have you considered developing mindsets to get you through this? What if you frame every interaction as a fun learning experience. Learn to laugh at each one, while at the same time knowing that the hard ones is where you learn the most. Have a waypoint you want to get to where you don’t care what happens and are just having fun with people. Then just drill on it until you are free from outcome and expect only positive experiences from each approach. Easier said than done, but key mindsets can h…
/r/seduction29/06/23 09:32 AM
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I didn’t read it all, but I think I’m in agreement with it. “be yourself” can be misleading because what version are we talking about? Your true authentic self? Or the socially conditioned shell of yourself many put themselves into. The idea is your true self has power. But, most people are in reaction to all the bs that’s happened to them over the years so it’s not really them that’s coming out. Just watch a guy approach a women. His voice goes way up, and he puts in an act trying to perform we…
/r/seduction05/06/23 09:38 PM
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Reading body language is essential. I also think its part of why so many coaches on youtube are not really that great at game. They aren't reading the girls signals correctly, most of the time not even paying attention to it. The girl will let you know if she wants you to talk to her. The girl's comfort level should be a high priority. If she gives you red lights, back off in a non reactive way. its not a big deal, don't make it one. Backing off may mean just turning down the energy, changing th…
/r/seduction14/04/23 01:51 PM
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You have to show intent. In other words, you can’t just be a funny gay best friend. Let her know you find her attractive and don’t hide it. Make it clear with body language, eyes, voice, what you say, etc… Also, convey masculine traits. Decisive, challenging, commanding if it’s relevant, cocky/funny, etc…
/r/seduction31/03/23 05:30 PM
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To me the red pill isn't an end goal. Its just an explanation of how the world works. It gets some of it right, some of it wrong. But, I want the perspective to open my views. As for an end goal, its nice to have them. We should all have a path and purpose we are on. So, my end goal is to be on my path and purpose, excited every day about what is right around the corner. Living in the moment, and not being in the planning phase my whole life. Living the dream, not waiting for it to be accomplish…
/r/TheRedPill30/01/23 05:20 PM
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Seems like there are a few things going on here, but there is a game concept that you are probably missing. It's the idea of sharing value vs taking value. When you cold approach, it should be part of a lifestyle where you enjoy socializing with people. Namely, talking to women. You find it fun, and so does she most of the time. You don't care about numbers and outcomes. You are outcome independent. The focus is on the interactions themselves, and getting laid is a byproduct of the lifestyle and…
/r/TheRedPill27/01/23 03:47 PM
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Sounds like you are on the right track. I would suggest, just searching this subreddit. There are tons of perspectives on just about every concept. Some good, some bad. Look into "Inner Game" as that is your beliefs and mindsets. It's something you can improve by taking action.
/r/seduction11/01/23 04:57 PM
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He has two products that I know of. First is a book: https://www.stevejabba.com/primal-seduction/ ​ Then the video product: ​ https://www.stevejabba.com/primal-seduction/ ​ Keep in mind, I'm not connect to him in any way. I'm a little reluctanct to post about it due to the state of this group. There are alot of eyeballs watching and not everyone can post. So, I'm not trying to give him extra promotion. There are lots of products out there, so do search them out. His stuff isn't even that popular…
/r/seduction11/01/23 04:19 PM
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I don't recall anything specific to shyness. Its mainly a video product of his view of approaching women. If a guy is too shy, he most likely just needs practice interacting with women, rather than another product. He probably has inner beliefs that something may go wrong (fear of the unknown, running out of things to say, look like a fool, etc..). He probably also lacks experience socializing with attractive women. He's not working those social muscles. So, if its you, then you just have to thr…
/r/seduction10/01/23 10:05 PM
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Just as an update as I'm getting alot of messages from people as to why I can post and they can't. I followed the procedure that the mods outlined. Subscribe to the group, I think by clicking on the join button. Then become an approved user. I don't see a link for becoming approved, so I don't recall what I did. But, those are the steps. Last post I made I got this message: "Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/seduction." It was an auto response. I didn't delete it, just wai…
/r/seduction05/01/23 04:42 PM
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I just wanted to follow this up by saying alot of people have messaged me after making this post. I think many people can't post for some reason. I'm not really sure what it is, but perhaps the mods can figure it out? Because I think alot of people are still here and want to post. But, I don't think they can. Maybe there are controls that are less strict that can be set. If I get a chance I'll keep putting out a few posts here and there to keep activity going. Hopefully, we can figure out the bl…
/r/seduction12/12/22 03:22 PM
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Yes, for anyone reading this right now I'd suggest subscribing so you can post. It still works, you just have to subscribe. Message one of the mods if you have trouble posting. As for the IOIs, I haven't tried it yet. I'm going through Steve Jabbas content and digesting it. Over the next month I'm going to just start testing it out, walk around in stores, the mall, restaurants, etc.... Go to those places for a reason, like to read a book or something. Then when I see any women who seem attractiv…
/r/seduction07/12/22 03:21 PM
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I've been checking too. I wonder if people who usually make new threads aren't doing it because they have to request to be an approved user or something along those lines? Maybe many use throw away accounts? Not sure, but new threads came to a halt about a month ago.
/r/seduction05/12/22 03:36 PM
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Some women aren’t going to be that attracted when you first meet them. They will need to see more about your personality to decide whether they like you or not. You can call these “maybe girls.” If you want to believe attraction happens the moment you meet eyes with someone, every time, go ahead. But you will be not connecting with many women you could have. Not trying to insult anyone, but the idea you can’t win someone over sounds like more internet looser talk. Another excuse as to why game d…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/22 12:20 PM
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Just because there are problems women face, that doesn't mean they shouldn't care about anything else. Or somehow that should translate into not caring about mens problems or suffering. Because men have struggles, does that mean we shouldn't care about those items you listed that happen to women? Murders, kidnapping, etc.. Should those not matter to us? Just because bad things happen to one gender that shouldn't cancel empathy for the opposite gender. There are some guys who will fall into a pla…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/22 01:54 PM
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This is a good starting point. You can keep doing it to get more familiar with approaching. One thing to consider when you are ready is, how can you stretch your comfort zone a little bit more? Perhaps, make a comment on something she is wearing. Or improvise humor, a joke. Take a small social risk with something. Also, you can practice letting go of the outcome. Be smiling and in a good mood after each interaction. If you find you are judging yourself as you walk away, try to replace that negat…
/r/seduction07/11/22 05:39 PM
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There are alot of disagreements with the idea that game works or it doesn’t matter. It really depends on what you believe. I don’t believe the girl either is attracted or isn’t within a few seconds. It can happen over time based on how she feels when she’s around you. Some won’t be attracted no matter what, that’s true. But, some will be attracted as they experience your personality, or game. Most guys aren’t putting out anywhere near the most attractive version of themselves. It’s why game work…
/r/seduction05/11/22 09:03 AM
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Now, just build off it and have consistency. Go out on the regular, learn to love the game.
/r/seduction03/11/22 01:07 AM
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The main thing to remember is that jealous boyfriends can get violent. And yes, some women can do stupid things like tell the jealous boyfriend exactly where you live. So, don't be paranoid, but don't underestimate what can happen. You always have the option to let the guy know via text or something that if he threatens you again you are going to get the police involved. Or that you already have. Or, just let it go. Depends on the situation. Just remember, you have no idea how crazy or amped up …
/r/seduction02/11/22 03:23 PM
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Sure, status. But its how you act socially. Charisma, leading, social confidence, self amusing humor, taking risks, etc... For instance, you can walk up to a group of girls and start talking to them as if you already know them. No hesitation at all. Nothing in your vibe or body language signals this is new or uncomfortable. Its not in your reality they won't respond well. When you walk up, you don't look around or are unsure of yourself. Again, your vibe is you expect them to respond well to you…
/r/seduction01/11/22 11:40 PM
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I've been a musician for many years, and here is my take on this. If you have to take a music class, so what? We all take random classes that's part of getting an education. It's meant to expose you to things you may not have been exposed to before. If you don't like it, yea its going to be a pain. But, in general music classes should be easy. If you have to practice an instrument, then its hard. But, shouldn't be that big of a deal. If you see no point to learning anything about music, then I w…
/r/seduction31/10/22 08:40 PM
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I hope guys reading a thread like this don't get caught up in looser talk. References to "Chad" or an over emphasis on looks is not how you get good with women. Learn game and social skills, be on your own path and purpose, maximize your looks and health, and stand out from every other guy she will ever meet. Then you can stop worrying about all the other chodes the girl has access to. Who cares? You are either in the top 10% or your working on it. Have some confidence in yourself and what you b…
/r/seduction31/10/22 08:22 PM
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You need a shift in beliefs. Right now you have a belief that something may go wrong if you approach. Mostly, because you don't have alot of experience approaching. You need to approach and train your mind that its not a big deal. You can only do that with experience approaching. So, start approaching these girls and see what's on the other side. I mean, did you think it was more complicated than that? Adapt healthy mindsets so you aren't beating yourself up after an approach. Don't make a big d…
/r/seduction27/10/22 03:27 PM
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If your looking for teases, here are a few you can try: Accuse her of being in love with you, wanting to tear your clothes off, etc… Love/hate teases. “That’s great your working on your MBA, but I think your way too librarian for me” Situational teases. Take any random word or sentence she says, and free associate a tease out of it. She says, “when I was a kid I wanted to be a truck driver.” You say, “are you sure your not a man trapped in a woman’s body.” Said playfully, of course. Deliver teas…
/r/seduction27/10/22 09:05 AM
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Most people would say it’s not sustainable if you are simply cold approaching to get a specific result. If all you care about is how many lays per month it gets you, you will probably see it as too much work for too little results. Especially if you don’t think there is much to learn or improve on. The value in cold approach is improving social skills and giving yourself options with top tier women. There is alot you can get out of It. But, you need to find your reasons for doing it, beyond quic…
/r/seduction26/10/22 08:59 PM
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The only wrong way is when you always use the same type as a tactic. Whatever feels natural in the moment, that’s what you use. Sometimes direct, sometimes indirect. Most charismatic people aren’t using a script. Learn to use both, naturalize your communication, then learn to stop thinking about “indirect” or “direct”.
/r/seduction25/10/22 09:04 PM
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I'm older than you and this is how I see it. Learning game is like solving a puzzle. Each little sticking point, for everything you feel you can't do, or don't know how to do, or are worried about, there is a solution to it. For every single sticking point there is a solution. You just haven't figured it out yet. In other words, there is a communication style you can adapt that will get conversations to hook with girls that are younger than you. And you can approach with confidence. There is a w…
/r/seduction25/10/22 03:41 PM
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Yep, this says it all. The OP is probably not sparking any attraction and being too much of a nice guy. Welcome to the club. There are probably cave paintings of cave men getting friend zoned and being confused as its been going on since the dawn of time. The point is you have to spark attraction and not be boring. Work on that. The girl is your mirror. OP should take these reactions and use it as a way to improve.
/r/seduction24/10/22 03:30 PM
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Its all pretty simple to me. Learn game and cold approach. Work on that for a few years and play the field. Then, when you find a real quality girl and have a genuine connection, get into a more steady relationship if that's what you are looking for. Modern men shouldn't be settling for whoever is willing to date them, or no one at all. The baseline should be to learn game and play the field first. Gain experience with women. Date lots of them. Work on your fitness and fashion. Get your look dow…
/r/seduction24/10/22 03:25 PM
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You sound like your in a downward spiral, focusing mainly on all the negative things you can't change. Namely, the past. You've got to change this thinking. What is your plan to get a life? Are you trying to learn cold approach? Are you just trying to socialize with hobbies? What is your plan for moving forward?
/r/seduction19/10/22 09:10 PM
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Most important thing is to be non-reactive and view it as self amusement. Try to think in terms of what is reactive, and what isn't. You can ignore what she said, then respond (or interrupt) with a commanding question. Something simple like, "Where are you from." Say it in a commanding but curious way where you expect an answer. Don't let her lead the frame, demand she tell you. When she tells you, play it off as if now you get it. She's superficial and that type, just like all the girls from x …
/r/seduction19/10/22 08:58 PM
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I think most people didn’t realize it would all be taken down out of nowhere. Many would have downloaded many of those vids. I would guess some of them will show up from time to time. One of my favorites was Owen getting a major shit test from this guy (or girl, can’t recall), and he was just destroying every attempt to shut him down. It was a great example of handling chaos and passing every test. Not a speech, but great infield. Also liked the non verbal openers where he would use body languag…
/r/seduction18/10/22 11:28 AM
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I haven't read it all, but looks like a solid write up. Appreciate the content. Only thing I'd add is to beware of having too much theory in your head when approaching. I've seen multiple coaches say this, but pick 1 to 3 items, and go practice it. Otherwise you can come off as way to gamey and have too much running through you head when approaching. Some coaches have said the worst guys to teach were those that studied too much theory. Beginners with no knowledge of theory did better. Just some…
/r/seduction18/10/22 10:15 AM
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As you interact you will learn what she likes and doesn’t. I had a 33 year old milf that loved sexual topics and dirty talk. She was a, cut to the chase, knows what she wants kind of girl. She used to call me and specifically say, “talk dirty to me”. I mean explicitly, phone sex kind of thing. We met through gaming so she would say that while referring to me by my game handle lol. That was a few years back, but the point is read the signals from the girl. She will let you know what is good and w…
/r/seduction17/10/22 09:38 PM
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I get it. The rules need to be followed so we can keep this community around. It’s important that people adhere to the rules and realize why they exist. Even if we don’t all like them. It is strange the x/y chromosomes subreddit is a hate group against men. With how toxic that place is, how does it still exist? Probably doesn’t matter. The important thing is this community stays around. So, everyone should adhere to the rules. Remember why they exist.
/r/seduction17/10/22 09:11 PM
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It’s attraction material you need. There is alot that goes into it, but at a simple level, you need to adjust what you are doing. Try out different things. Here are a few principles you can try, see what happens. Have a strong sense of entitlement in terms of your right to talk to her. Don’t just start a random conversation. Walk up with energy as if you already know her, and have a vibe where something amazing just happened that you have to tell her or her friends about. Again , approach with a…
/r/seduction17/10/22 08:55 PM
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Makes a lot of sense to me. I think there are life skills and common sense that are part of learning game and being social in general. I remember what style said way back in the day. Girls are never bitches, your city doesn’t suck, etc… if you fail it’s always your fault. There is a way to correct what you are doing, you just haven’t discovered it yet. There is a solution to every sticking point. Take accountability and ownership of your social skills. And if you can view everything as fun self …
/r/seduction17/10/22 08:36 PM
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Unfortunately, mainstream thinking has made approaching women a negative toxic behavior for some people. They simply believe its toxic and bad. Its just like politics, they have their beliefs and not much you can do to change it. Other than show all the details and proof there is nothing wrong with being social. I say, go watch a nature show and see what life is like for most animals. You will see them risking their lives to find mates, and you will also see how hard life is for most of them. Po…
/r/seduction17/10/22 03:30 PM
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Sadly, I typed up a detailed response but reddit must have had a glitch since it didn't go through. Send me a message if you want more info about my resources.
/r/seduction17/10/22 03:17 PM
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Keeping it simple is a good idea. If its working, then keep doing it.
/r/seduction17/10/22 03:16 PM
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You just have to up your game and get good at opening mixed groups. It can be done, and you just have to do it and learn from each time. Practice the first 30 seconds to 2 mins. Just drill on it until you can open those types of groups consistently. Don’t take it too seriously, just have fun with it. Look up opening and attraction topics for more info.
/r/seduction16/10/22 02:50 AM
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Make the whole process of talking to girls a form of self amusement. Make it a fun activity. Let go of the outcome so you don’t really care what happens. Again, your just having fun socializing. And remember, if you start to self judge after an interaction, you are too focused on outcomes. Learn to not care what happens. Focus on the conversation and being in the moment. Go watch jack denmo approaching videos on YouTube. He’s not a pickup artist, he’s a prankster. But his college daygame fundame…
/r/seduction14/10/22 09:14 PM
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Yep, especially the front stop. But, most of the experienced guys will say you have to field test everything. If you haven’t tried it and tested it out, then try it first.
/r/seduction13/10/22 08:23 PM
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Women want you to make a move. Sometimes they won't give you any signals at all to escalate things. Its just the way people are wired. Your intuition will probably tell you what to do. But, the main thing is you need to make your intentions clear. Don't hide the fact that you find a girl attractive, and then just talk with them like any other friend. You need to let them know this conversation is man to woman, not friend to friend. Take a risk, and show your intentions. Tell her she's hot, talk …
/r/seduction11/10/22 04:47 PM
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Being too conversational can lead to beta like behavior. It can come across as try hard. Generally, the one who pings less has higher status. Just something to keep in mind. You can practice getting people to talk about themselves or try to get her to qualify herself. A bit manipulative, but it’s a tool you can use if you’re talking too much.
/r/seduction11/10/22 11:10 AM
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Just have another conversation, and somewhere early on be direct about your intentions. Tell her you think she’s cute, hot, attractive, or however you want to describe what your impression is. But, let her know what you think. It doesn’t have to be over the top. Just mention it in the conversation. Ask for her number which should flow naturally after you make your intentions clear. If she says no, don’t be reactive. Act like it’s no big deal because it isn’t.
/r/seduction11/10/22 11:05 AM
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This is a fairly common problem. Your doing too much "fun" and not enough balance with being real. It's kind of like push/pull, where you don't want to push, push, push, all the time. You have to find the right balance and calibrate. First things first though, be sure you are self amusing. Make sure you aren't being fun and funny in an attempt to elicit laughter in other people. It should always come from a place where it makes you laugh, and that's why you do it. If other people don't laugh at …
/r/seduction10/10/22 01:57 PM
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Self amusement combined with letting go of the outcome will get you past this. If your having fun and not caring about what happens after, that pretty much overcomes all. Easier said than done, but try to put yourself in a state where you are just having fun, not caring much about what happens, and letting go of all self judgment. Look at it as a social experiment. It’s your inner beliefs that need to change. And you need positive feedback for that to happen. So, go have fun in a care free way a…
/r/seduction08/10/22 12:57 PM
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For most of the advanced guys rejection doesn’t really exist. It’s not that they aren’t getting shot down, but many get into a flow state where rejection isn’t really a thing. If a girl walks off or something, the guy is in another interaction within seconds, not thinking about what just happened. It’s not in his reality that rejection exists. He’s just being social and bringing value to people.
/r/seduction07/10/22 05:47 PM
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If you’ve ever heard someone talk about “letting go of the outcome” as a key principle in game, you can now see why. If you develop outcome independence and self amusement, with a little core confidence, rejection won’t matter much. Practice getting rejected and not caring about it. Reframe it as fun or something you can laugh at or just not care about. Letting go of the outcome and having fun is something you can practice. After each interaction, have a smile on your face. No self judgment. Fra…
/r/seduction05/10/22 06:37 AM
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I’m guessing you already went out. But for next time consider this: No matter what happens, don’t take any of it that seriously. It’s not a serious thing whether it’s something you said, something you didn’t say, something someone else said, or that you didn’t talk to anyone. Don’t get caught in self judgement. Let go of the outcome. Try to have fun. This is the key to socializing. Get out of your head by just having a little fun with people. Try to become unfiltered. Even if some don’t think it…
/r/seduction03/10/22 03:22 PM
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Cold approach is how you learn attraction and social skills. To say it isn’t worth it only makes sense if you don’t want to improve yourself and want to get quick results while lowering your standards. Meet people in real life, unless looks and self improvement don’t matter to you.
/r/seduction30/09/22 07:29 PM
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Models is overrated, but it’s still essential reading. It’s worth it just to expose yourself to it. Make up your own mind what you think. Just know there are alot of fans of that book around here. The game by Neil Strauss is also essential reading. If you read just one book, read that. Just know a lot has happened since then, and natural game has replaced much of the routine based strategies they were using back then. It’s still a great book written by a pro writer. It’s motivating. Mystery meth…
/r/seduction30/09/22 07:23 PM
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What your referring to is called 'calibration'. You need to learn to calibrate. The volume was too high in one interaction, but not high enough on the next. Practice to learn calibration so you land in sweet spot. But ultimately, just try to recover. If you say, "I was just kidding" or "Sorry, I usually try to be direct and real with people I just met." You can recover from just about anything. And remember, women are attracted to good emotions. They respond to how they feel when they are around…
/r/seduction28/09/22 03:05 PM
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Your definitely on the right track. Letting go of the outcome should be a major focus. In my view, the best way to do this is to self amuse and make everything fun. Look at sex, numbers, and getting girls as a byproduct of learning social skills and talking to lots of people. Make the focus the actual conversation and learn to love the process. By 'process' I mean the seductive conversation. Learn to love the process and interacting with people. Be fascinated by social communications and look at…
/r/seduction28/09/22 02:59 PM
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The most important thing is that you learn to present an attractive version of yourself. Unless you are a natural, this means you will need to improve seductive social skills. If your presenting a nervous, stuck in your head, approval seeking nice guy, then you have almost no chance. Some girls won't be attracted, but would have been if your game was better. So, yes she either is attracted or she isn't. But the purpose of learning these social skills is to present an attractive version of yourse…
/r/seduction28/09/22 02:50 PM
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You have a belief that is holding you back and causing this. Its all inner game. Try to dig a little deeper and find out what this belief is. Because when you are with your wing, there is no problem, but when you are alone there is. So, what is it? Can you think of anything? What's different between the two (solo vs wing)? Can you think of what the fear or apprehension is? Maybe on a simpler level you just need to approach alone more often. And just keep going at it until your beliefs change. Bu…
/r/seduction26/09/22 04:22 PM
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I’ve always thought models was overrated in this sub. I haven’t read it in a long time, so it may be better than I thought. But, it’s just a book. I would guess it’s not gamey and more authentic which is why people like it. It’s worth reading, but action is where new ideas and how things work will spawn from. Oh and models didn’t break the trend on old school routine based game. When rsd started studying naturals and focused on inner game is when the community shifted away from old school canned…
/r/seduction25/09/22 07:46 AM
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What do you say about industry nights in terms of practicing game? Are there plenty of opportunities to practice during those nights?
/r/seduction21/09/22 04:29 PM
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I made a comment to a recent post that was similar to this, here is a copy. This is an exercise you can try: Try watching a tv show or movie, pause it after any random sentence is said, then respond with any exaggerated statements that make you laugh. Twist it, be cocky or ridiculous, whatever makes you laugh. Practice that. Don't try to think about what the right thing to say is. Just have some fun with whatever you can randomly come up with without overthinking. Again, make yourself laugh, get…
/r/seduction21/09/22 03:40 PM
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You are most likely filtering yourself and that’s why she got bored. Learn how to be more unfiltered and you won’t default to the boring small talk. Humor and free association will help a lot. But, you’ve got to break out of these safe but boring topics. Have some fun with conversation.
/r/seduction21/09/22 11:47 AM
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Having a sense of humor is about making yourself laugh. Try watching a tv show or movie, pause it after any random sentence is said, then respond with any exaggerated statements that make you laugh. Twist it, be cocky or ridiculous, whatever makes you laugh. Practice that. If you combine that with other attraction elements such as , letting go of the outcome, making your intent clear with a man to woman vibe, and becoming unfiltered where you don’t care about the outcome, then you have a framewo…
/r/seduction21/09/22 11:35 AM
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Being smart for most guys who haven’t practiced seduction translates into boring and logical conversations. And that’s the worst thing you can do. You want fun and playful instead. There is a time and place to be smart and it’s not when you first interact with a girl and generate attraction. Take some social risks and try some new things that are not boring and logical. You have everything you need in your natural personality , so no excuses that you are the “intellectual” type or any of that bs…
/r/seduction21/09/22 11:26 AM
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Free association is a conversational tool you can use to generate conversation. Basically, you hear an idea, a word, or sentence and twist it into something else. Just look it up. Combine that with self amusing humor and you can spike up your conversations. Learn to be unfiltered with it. Use it to replace boring and logical conversation. Having fun and being unfiltered with it will almost always work.
/r/seduction20/09/22 09:45 AM
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If you continue to have these limiting beliefs, you have no chance. You can be outgoing and higher energy. You have various sides and some you haven’t even developed yet. Stop with the negative thinking that is pigeonholing you into an undesirable outcome. Stretch yourself by taking social risks and discover your outgoing and fun sides. Saying it’s not you, or your this low key boring guy is most likely not true.
/r/seduction17/09/22 11:27 AM
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At 5-10 you will be taller than average, so I wouldn’t worry.
/r/seduction16/09/22 07:48 PM
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The thing you have to realize with pickup theory is its reverse engineering principals that exist with guys who are good. Much of it is not meant for you to learn and insert into conversations. Its about waypoints to get to. Its about social dynamics that will exist when you are confident and convey attraction. And I would even say, most of it isn't necessary outside of the core basic principles for most guys. Much of it will fall into place as you practice and gain confidence, most likely. RSD …
/r/seduction16/09/22 03:33 PM
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Is there anything of interest at the bookstore? Take an interest in new books, even if its just to look at it in the bookstore. If you go to the grocery store, go more often and just pick up some produce. Its much fresher the sooner you consume it, so go to the grocery store more often. Better yet, go to another grocery store that may have items you don't usually see at yours. You can probably find reasons to go to these places outside of meeting women. But, I have wandered around too and it can…
/r/seduction16/09/22 03:26 PM
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It’s great you found something that is working. If you feel like it’s the right track, keep doing it. By the way, I have style’s annihilation program, and he was working on a new opener at the time called “oh my god” openers. Just walk up and open with “oh my god…” and fill in the rest with whatever works. Come up with your own. With all that said, the interactions that worked probably did because of your non verbals and innner beliefs in the moment. You most likely don’t need the structure and …
/r/seduction14/09/22 09:31 AM
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Looks plays a small role. For some girls its more than others, but its not a huge factor. If guys insist on this being such a big deal, then knock yourself out with your limiting beliefs. Your not improving your chances with women by insisting looks matter. Maximize your looks, and put the rest of your focus on how you communicate with women. Its what triggers most attraction and its whats mostly in your control. Don't be a loser and blame your lack of looks for why you can't do well with women.
/r/seduction13/09/22 08:31 PM
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Your negative mindset is the first thing to work on. Most likely you are fine socially, you just don’t think you are. When you come across as shy, introverted, and boring, that’s not the real you. It’s a filtered version since your ego is trying to protect you from saying the wrong thing or fear of the unknown. Once your authentic self is coming through, everything is different. Your relaxed, comfortable, not in your head, freely sharing, have a sense of humor, etc… All you have to do is get pas…
/r/seduction10/09/22 10:16 AM
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Congratulations. This is exactly what you want to do. The fun banter is called free association and a key skill in day game. It enables you to improvise conversation and make the interaction fun. Just freely associate random things based on what you see or anything that is said in the conversation. Keep doing it. What you probably noticed, is that once you start saying random playful things, it makes the interaction fun, you get out of your head, your sub communications get better, the girl beco…
/r/seduction08/09/22 11:10 AM
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When you introduce yourself and ask for the girls name, right after do the same with the friend. Include the friend in the conversation.
/r/seduction08/09/22 10:56 AM
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Your ego is trying to protect you. That’s where all those negative inner thoughts come from. When you approach, little by little, you learn to self amuse and have fun. The ego realizes it’s nothing to fear, then you can free flow. But there is no way around it. You have to face the fear and allow your mind to realize it’s not a big deal. You have to go through the process. So, what you are learning is to approach and not care what happens. It’s about the actual interaction and amusing yourself w…
/r/seduction07/09/22 10:04 AM
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I'd say this is solid. Pretty much my approach, but for me here is my structure: Open with whatever, just get her attention. You can say "whats up" or "Hey, girl in the red dress", or "Hey, red dress", or your standard direct open, "Excuse me, I know this sounds random, but I thought you looked nice so I wanted to say hello." Again, just get her attention. Next, make a statement of intent. "I thought you looked adorable, so I wanted to meet you." or "You look interesting, so I wanted to say hell…
/r/seduction06/09/22 03:58 PM
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The community got attacked pretty bad. Coaches were getting deplatformed from social media accounts to the web hosting, to book publishing, etc... Most communities are underground now and the coaches usually have individual youtube channels and other social media accounts. Plenty of guys are still learning about game and going out, finding wings, etc.. But, its not so visible to the general public these days. And yes, the Game is a great book. It should be motivating to anyone wanting to learn g…
/r/seduction06/09/22 03:07 PM
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Odds are you already know what to say, but you think whatever you would say isn’t going to be good enough. It’s going to come out wrong, be insulting, or out of context, boring, too much of a risk, etc… then you could get stuck in your head. The skill your trying to learn is to say whatever pops into your head with no fear about what happens. It’s a skill. With practice you can learn to calibrate better so the words make more sense. But, ultimately you’re trying to improvise conversation and tha…
/r/seduction04/09/22 01:33 PM
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I think one approach a day can work. But, I’d look at it as training. Do one per day to get some approaches in, then travel to a bigger city when your ready. Or do night game when your ready. One per day is way better than zero.
/r/seduction02/09/22 07:16 PM
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Yep, I can’t blame you for not wanting to dump a bunch of money into coaching. It’s strange though. Makes no sense foreign women you do ok with, but not here in the states. I believe you, but not sure what would cause that. Women react to the same things in general. Your other option is to find wings and let them watch your approaches. See if you can find someone good, and see what their feedback is. Other than that, an old school game technique is: “treat the world as a social lab experiment.” …
/r/seduction02/09/22 06:44 PM
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Try no opener. Talk to them as if you already know them. Pretend it’s a group of friends you already know and just start taking.
/r/seduction02/09/22 05:34 PM
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Most likely there is something in your body language that is sending the wrong signals. Looks like it’s not obvious since you would know what it is. What is your mindset when you engage with these women? Is there anything negative at all? Are you worried it won’t go well in any way? Have you ever tried to not care at all how the interaction goes, and just have fun? Some of these things can point to where the problem is. But it sounds like these women are putting you into a category because you c…
/r/seduction02/09/22 05:30 PM
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And yet if you can embrace it, learn to laugh at it, and have fun it magically disappears and has no complexity. Don’t over think it. Dive in, adapt the right mindsets, and with enough exposure it’s not a big deal.
/r/seduction02/09/22 05:20 PM
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Its what most of the daygamers in London use or learned from. The only reference I can find is someone reacting to Tom Torrero's video on it. If you didn't know, Tom T was one of the most well known coaches for daygame for years. One of the best teachers. Sadly, he's not around anymore. Tom's vid is the best one ever for this style. But its not online anymore. If you can fast forward through this guys comments, just watch the vid. Ignore the reaction, just watch Tom's commentary. Its gold for th…
/r/seduction01/09/22 06:15 PM
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The game isn't different based on your age. Yes, age can be a sticking point, but its just a limiting belief, similar to younger guys who don't think they are good enough looking, too fat, the wrong nationality, etc... Add to that, we all know there are certain women who's preferred type is older guys. Its what they look for. Just that alone is enough to make it worth it to filter through all the rest. Tom Torerro had several podcasts where he interviewed older guys in their late 40s and 50s who…
/r/seduction31/08/22 03:04 PM
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You did the right thing. Learn how to self amuse so that none of it is a big deal. Even if you say the wrong thing, smile and laugh at it afterwards. That’s how you lean to be unfiltered. Most people struggle with not knowing what to say. But the truth is, they do know what to say, but they are filtering themselves. They think what they will say isn’t good enough or that they will be judged. Learn to take the risk, and make it all a fun game. Just laugh at it all. Then when you are ready, challe…
/r/seduction30/08/22 09:15 PM
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Be careful you aren't getting scammed. Keep in mind, it's not always a guy. It could be a team of a 37 year old women and other people. Just play it safe. Get a pic of her and you before you go anywhere that is unsafe. That should be an insurance policy. Truth is, its not normal for someone her age trying to hookup with someone as young as you straight from reddit. Red flags are going off for me. It could be ok, but proceed with caution.
/r/seduction30/08/22 03:47 PM
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Flirting is using self amusing humor to Create a fun conversation. Add some playful teases, some sexual intent, etc… What is it your trying to accomplish? Are you trying to flirt with women? Trying to learn to approach?
/r/seduction29/08/22 08:46 PM
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The problem is there are many ways to get started and you will get different advice from everyone. I'm guessing you are asking about cold approach? Or are you thinking about online dating instead? If its cold approach during the day, I would recommend Jack Denmo videos. He's not a pickup artist or a coach. He does prank vids. But, he's good at daygame. To keep it simple, just watch some of his infields. Here is a random infield: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvBvNiFRceE Here is a coach breakin…
/r/seduction29/08/22 03:55 PM
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Learn how to be unfiltered. You already know what you say, you just think you don't. The problem is you think what you will say isn't good enough, or wrong, or something along those lines. You have to practice saying whatever pops into your head, and let the conversation flow from it. You can say just about anything, including random thoughts. You just don't think its appropriate, or good enough, etc... Conversation will flow from just about anything. But, you have to cross that line and take a …
/r/seduction29/08/22 03:19 PM
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That's the thing not enough people are talking about. Many guys are just trying to get laid. And they want as many as possible. Basically, the player lifestyle. But, others just want to find a girlfriend or date a few girls at any one time. I think most can achieve this by getting good enough to play the numbers game. You don't have to get coaching, practice for a few years, etc... Just play the numbers game, get competent enough to do that, and get a dating life out of it. Find a few girls you …
/r/seduction29/08/22 01:38 PM
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What are you saying when you approach? Do you have a structure, or do you just free flow?
/r/seduction26/08/22 02:02 AM
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Maybe. But the girls that rejected him may have hooked if his opening game was better. I realize this is a political debate at this point. Some people think its all a numbers game and its all about looks, others think its all game. I won't try to convince anyone one way or another. Just saying for myself, I'd be analyzing and field testing different approaches to see what can be improved. There is usually room for much improvement.
/r/seduction24/08/22 07:52 PM
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I asked the question because if it were me I'd be analyzing how to improve my opening game. There may be something he could improve that would open those sets better. But, there is an element of the numbers game no matter what. And what he's doing seems to be working for him, so each to their own.
/r/seduction24/08/22 07:41 PM
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The main thing you need is experience interacting with women combined with a few important mindsets. But, can you pinpoint where you will go to interact with more women? Because you need practice. That practice can come from dates you get from online dating, or from women you meet in bars. Or anywhere else you can get a volume of interactions in. BUt, you need to find a way to meet more women. Otherwise, your going to be watching lots of youtube vids, reading comments here, but you won't be maki…
/r/seduction24/08/22 03:58 PM
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These topics never get the right responses. The OP asked about best peacocking items. Not whether or not its a good idea. Just about every response is people saying don't peacock, but thats not what is being asked here. I would suggest anything that is unique to you and your personality. Could be as simple as a necklace. I like to wear shirts with musician logos, like Gibson, Fender, Zildjian, or just guitars on them. A necklace with a guitar pick can also work. It doesn't have to be over the to…
/r/seduction24/08/22 02:28 PM
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Do you feel any of the first approaches didn't land because of your game? Or was it because they were just 'no' girls. You did the right thing, didn't make a big deal about it, and just went into your next interaction. But, just wondering if you could optimize your opening game a bit more and maybe get better responses. Great job overall though. Sounds like you are using a bit of old school game which obviously works just fine.
/r/seduction24/08/22 02:18 PM
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Many people don't get MM. They see the crazy outfits and a few infields and judge it harshly. Others don't think game is real. Most of them don't game, they just criticize. MM did work for many people. The thing that changed is guys started to eventually learn that there is much more to the game than the outter game routines he was using. People discovered the importance of inner game, mindsets, and the shifts in beliefs that take place. Running routines all day isn't great game. They focused wa…
/r/seduction23/08/22 09:31 PM
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Go out to a busy bar that is packed with people. Then, practice opening conversations. Talk to lots of people. Have 2-3 canned openers and also try to improvise openers. You just need to practice your opening game. Stay in set for 10 seconds to 5 mins. Focus on having fun, saying your openers, and letting go of the outcome. Don’t get in your head about any negative reactions. Just brush it off and learn to laugh at it all.
/r/seduction23/08/22 07:48 PM
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To make conversations more fun and playful, that’s going to come from your vibe and gaming yourself. It’s not about a secret ingredient you can implement into a conversation. It’s more about being unfiltered and in the moment. Just practice doing that. Take a few risks, challenge yourself. Learn from each interaction. But, you don’t need advice on this really. You just need to stretch yourself and learn how to be unfiltered and out of your head. You do that by trying something, see what works an…
/r/seduction23/08/22 11:04 AM
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When a girl fist meets you she has no idea if your needy, controlling, insecure, or crazy. Your game is what makes the difference. Looks are an opener. It will buy you 30 seconds, but if your not on point as an attractive guy in your behaviors, then you won’t get the girl most of the time. Some girls won’t even notice your looks. You will need game to get girls consistently.
/r/seduction21/08/22 10:01 AM
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Its a way they are trying to get you to qualify yourself to them. I would just keep it light and possibly lead. Answer her question with a question, get her to qualify to you. You can also put the question on pause, tell her you will answer, but not before she tells you why she is a waitress, or wants to be an actress, or whatever qualifier you want to use. Flip the script and make her qualify herself first. Don't simply jump through her hoops. She's not the prize, you are.
/r/seduction19/08/22 03:07 PM
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Mix sexualizing conversations with a cocky/funny vibe. Do it when your having fun in a non serious way. Be self amusing where you don’t care about any responses you get, your just having fun. That’s a good way to introduce it.
/r/seduction18/08/22 11:25 AM
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Approval seeking is looking for someone to say 'yes' to you. If your a kid and want to visit your friends house, you need to ask for your parents approval. They need to say yes to allow you to go. You are seeking their approval. Approval seeking in general usually means you want compliance from people. You need them to say 'yes' or agree before you can proceed.
/r/seduction17/08/22 10:22 PM
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The biggest downside to daygame is most guys probably won't find that many hot girls to approach. Many coaches are traveling to ideal locations, traveling half way across the world. You can do it anywhere, but to develop skills and get the approach volume you will need, its not great in terms of numbers. But, it depends on where you live. Night game gives you more options to approach, just about anywhere.
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:51 PM
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I've always viewed abundance mentality in the context of cold approaching. So, its about not making a big deal about any one interaction. You will be talking to hundreds of women in a month, so each one isn't that big of a deal. THere are many more you will be talking to. And if you are dating multiple women, you tend to not care about any one girl all that much. The script is flipped, and you are like the hot girl, with lots of options. It removes neediness and a focus on the outcome of any one…
/r/seduction17/08/22 05:40 PM
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The whole idea is to try something out and see what works for you. Experiment. If you find openers online that are useful, fine, but think of what feels natural to you. Try it out. And remember, its your vibe and how you respond to her reaction that really matters.
/r/seduction17/08/22 04:59 PM
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I think there is a misconception on what "PUA" really is. If your learning from the right sources, its just teaching social dynamics and how to improve them. And doing this in a seduction context. How to keep a conversation going. How to get out of your head and into the moment. How to free associate and improvise conversation. How to open conversations with a group of people. How to push your comfort zone so you can improve. How to get into a flow state. These aren't pua tricks. Its the social …
/r/seduction15/08/22 03:12 PM
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Try to understand the social dynamics that are at play. Your ego is trying to protect you, so that is why you are in your head. The quicker you can get past that the better. So, as you take social risks, you start to prove to your ego its not a big deal. Then you get more normal. Its all inner game, but you have to prove to your mind that its not a big deal to approach. But, you have to take social risks to get there. Its all about waypoints to get to. Personal change. Over time your mind adapts…
/r/seduction15/08/22 02:52 PM
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You will need to have an abundance of opportunities to practice talking to women. Nothing else really matters if you aren't socializing with women. You can read about all the techniques you want, it won't matter unless you are interacting with women on a regular basis. So, try to figure that out first. Then, you can think of ways to start conversations, keep the conversation going, etc...
/r/seduction15/08/22 02:31 PM
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You have to acquire the skill to attract and experience a variety of women before one girl makes sense. Find out what you like, what you don't like, and have the skill to know you can find another girl if you need to. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for lots of neediness, oneitis, or worse, letting a girl walk all over you because you don't want to give up the sex. So, develop your attraction skills first, date different women, then settle for one if that's your thing.
/r/seduction12/08/22 02:22 PM
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Practice opening conversations with women. Put your focus on starting normal conversations and don't get caught up in the outcome. Just drill on that. There are different ways you can open conversations, but try not to get too caught up in it. Most guys that are good will tell you the opener doesn't matter and its best not to think about it ahead of time. BUt, at first you may have to use something more canned. Think of observational openers where you comment on something you see. But, there are…
/r/seduction09/08/22 03:59 PM
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I'm older now, but was a typical good looking nice guy in my 20s. I had the same result as the OP. If you don't have game, looks won't matter much. You probably don't need game as much as guys whose looks are below average, but you're going to need game no matter what you look like. Looks are just a bonus. Definitely worth working on, but guys need to be real about looks. It will only take you so far. The main bonus I found with looks is your inner confidence can go sky high if you are good look…
/r/seduction09/08/22 03:19 PM
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The dynamic that is at play is your ego. Your in the headspace of prevention orientation rather than promotion orientation of the outcome you want. What approaching women comes down to in many ways is your ego. It’s what holds most everyone back. Your worried about the unknown, what may happen, you don’t want to embarrass yourself, you don’t want to be judged, you don’t want to run out of things to say, etc… that’s your ego trying to protect you. It’s social conditioning. Prevention orientation.…
/r/seduction07/08/22 12:18 PM
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There are many little fundamental skills you should drill yourself on. You can create missions for this. But, to keep things simple, try these for starters: Always have a smile on your face and be in a good mood after an approach. Never be caught in self judgment after you walk away from an approach. This is a fake it until you make it concept, but it’s crucial. The game has to be fun if you plan to stick with it. Replace any thoughts of self judgment with positive ones if this is a sticking poi…
/r/seduction04/08/22 05:22 PM
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It depends on the context. I'm suggesting to do it kind of like a side comment to sexualize things. Not in a way where you give your value away. Say it in a way to self amuse and pump up your state. Your not seeking any validation from her and you don't really care about the response. Your just showing your a man, she's hot, you notice it, but its not a big deal. Its just something you notice in the moment.
/r/seduction03/08/22 04:07 PM
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It’s all inner game. When you are around your friends or other people you don’t run out of things to say. But, because she’s a hot girl you get stuck in your head and your thinking mind shuts down. Let go of the outcome and learn how to be unfiltered. Free associate, make it fun, etc… don’t worry about how it turns out, focus on free flowing and saying whatever pops into your head. Treat the girl as if it’s someone you already know where you don’t care if you say the wrong thing.
/r/seduction02/08/22 11:55 AM
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Make sure you are moving the girl around so she gets comfortable being with you in various environments. You may need to spend more time in comfort, building a connection. In general, the early stages should be lots of value and attraction. but then you need to tone it down, be more normal and make a connection.
/r/seduction01/08/22 08:02 PM
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Don’t forget that the game is loads of fun. You should be looking forward to going out and self amusing to pump up your state. If your not, maybe focus on letting go of the outcome and having fun more.
/r/seduction01/08/22 07:58 PM
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The advice that you have to do most of the work early in the interaction and generate attraction is fairly common. If you look around you will probably find videos on it. Look for anything on opening and setting the tone of the interaction. Todd v probably has some vids on this. I have rsd pimp, rsd Julian’s product, and he has a module on hooking where he covers this. Just look for any video that talks about opening or hooking. a good coach will cover the vibe you need. Not all are good coaches…
/r/seduction31/07/22 12:10 PM
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You have to do most of the talking early on and you have to set the tone. Try simple statements and questions, and cut off any conversational threads that are leading to anything boring. Focus on your vibe rather than the content of the conversation. Throw in a few provocative statements or challenges and switch topics any time a topic isn’t adding the right vibe. Amuse yourself with it. Experiment with different things. Just know, if she asks you a question, you answer, and that leads to a bori…
/r/seduction31/07/22 11:50 AM
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Agree with this. As I was reading, I kept thinking about how over thinking is what gives most guys approach anxiety. Don't analyze an approach. Learn how to flow in the moment and learn that way. But, alot of interesting topics nonetheless.
/r/seduction27/07/22 08:08 PM
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What you are referring to is showing sexual intent. You can show this in many ways, but eye contact, vocal tonality, your vibe and overall body language will convey alot of this. You can talk about anything and sexualize it. Not that you need to do that, but just know your body language and your inner thoughts create most of this. Take some risks. Tell a girl she's hot. Tell her you would have sex with her 10 times a day if she was your girl. Do it playfully, not serious. Can you think of any ot…
/r/seduction27/07/22 02:48 PM
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Everyone is different in this space, but I'll list the best resources available from everything I've come across: ​ The game by neil strauss. Yes, its a book on old school game and many don't like the structured routine based game they were using. It's still a great book about a guy who went from knowing nothing to one of the best pickup artists in the world. Neil is a great writer too, so thats partly why its a good book. Should be fundamental 101 reading for everyone. Even if you don't like th…
/r/seduction26/07/22 09:12 PM
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I've had the same exact thing happen to me before. You are talking to a girl, everything is going great, she's receptive to you, you talk for months and all is good. Then one day, you get one word responses, or none at all. She says things like she's busy all the time. She may even get harsh at some point. You can tell something is off. In my case, there was no recovery. Don't make the same mistake I did, which was to keep trying. It eventually blew up when I tried to get too close to the girl. …
/r/seduction26/07/22 03:39 PM
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Start with fitness and nutrition. Its a hobby in itself and has its ups and downs and challenges. Get in shape for the next 6-12 months. Additionally, pick up a few game related products, read a few books, watch some vids. Look for older products you can find online that used to be paid products (rsd hotseat, etc..). Know something about what mystery had to say about the game, neil strauss, rsd, todd v, and others. You don't have to get into cold approach if you dont want to, but it will help if…
/r/seduction25/07/22 09:36 PM
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Many guys in this sub will never get it. Guys are so tied to looks that they will always think its extremely important. Its not. It matters sure, but each guy is presenting himself to women and its everything. Your looks, your personality, etc... But, male behavior is going to be the biggest factor by far.
/r/seduction25/07/22 09:28 PM
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I get the overall point of this, but there is a fundamental flaw in the logic of most posts like this. The game is played mostly with "maybe" girls, and sometimes with "yes" girls. There are also "no" girls, and you won't be attracting these girls no matter what. No pickup guru is telling you that you can get "no" girls to become attracted. Where the flaw comes in is guys misunderstand the difference between "maybe" girls and "no" girls. Maybe girls are not going to be that receptive off the ope…
/r/seduction25/07/22 03:41 PM
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Being in your late 30s, how does age play a role? Do you have any issues with getting matches with younger women, or is it mostly 30+?
/r/seduction25/07/22 03:15 PM
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Attraction is almost entirely about male behaviors. Looks play a small role. But, obviously, a lot of guys can’t get past this as evidenced by at least one post like this per week. But, go ahead and believe it’s all about looks and game isn’t real. It lowers the competition for the rest of us.
/r/seduction24/07/22 08:27 PM
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Consider finding guys not as good as you, and coach them. It will give you a reason to stay in the game, and you may be more motivated when you see what beginners are going through, yet still are doing approaches.
/r/seduction24/07/22 05:57 PM
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There are yes, no and maybe girls. The game is played mostly with maybe girls, and sometimes yes girls. The main thing you want to do is generate attraction and get to a solid hook point in the conversation, right off the open. You are most likely not generating attraction. Be decisive, commanding, fun, do 90% of the talking in the first few mins, assume attraction, self amuse, illicit an emotional response, etc… Look up threads about attraction, and see what people have to say about it. Experim…
/r/seduction24/07/22 12:45 PM
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It’s a shit test. You could have ignored the statement and just talked about whatever you wanted. Or, just self amused about the comment. Main thing is to be non reactive to it. Walking away is a bit reactive, unless you had no interest in her at that point.
/r/seduction21/07/22 04:09 PM
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It’s good that you are self amused and not in your head about about approaching and rejection. Just be sure you’re not doing things that’s causing women to be uncomfortable. If you are making them uncomfortable and this amuses you, that’s a toxic frame to come from. You want to work on your opening game to get better responses, even if they are rejections.
/r/seduction21/07/22 10:39 AM
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There are a few takeaways and mindsets to get from this. First, I can tell you not to worry about this one girl, she's a sociopath, etc... But, you probably already know that. Harsh rejections are part of the game and they make you stronger. Keep that in mind as you read through this. Here are the main takeaways from this: If you look back at this, can you tell yourself that if a harsh rejection happens like this again, next time could you be less reactive? Maybe 10% less, maybe 50% less, maybe …
/r/seduction20/07/22 03:39 PM
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What’s a small social risk for you? Everyone has a starting point and you may have to find yours. It could be to just go out by yourself, walk around a venue, and leave 20 mins later. If that’s a risk, then start there. But, you have to find what you can and can’t do right now. Whatever you can do, push it a little further, take a small social risk, and drill on it until it’s not a problem. Small chunk each piece and go from there. That’s not exactly someone who can help, but you will have to do…
/r/seduction20/07/22 11:55 AM
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You only went out one time. Check out more bars in your area several more times to see what its like. Sure, you can go to a club and there will be hotter girls most likely. But, you don't have to go to clubs to meet women. Its a large world. Some guys prefer lounge type places to clubs, it just depends on you. Try them all out, see what seems best for your situation. When I was in college, the dive bars were packed with hot girls. It just depends on the area, time of the year, etc...
/r/seduction18/07/22 08:12 PM
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What's to stop you from going out on the weekends to bars and practice approaching and socializing? The suburbs is better than small towns, but not as good as big cities. But, its still a populated area where you can meet women.
/r/seduction18/07/22 04:10 PM
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Here is a link to a video of Owen from RSD talking about how good mystery was and what he witnessed after watching him approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUhpmJfQ9U&t=107s Owen has had countless infield videos, ran rsd the biggest pickup company, etc... But, he probably sucks too right? There has been other coaches that have verified mystery not to mention guys who have made posts in seddit that they are married now due to learning MM back in the day. But, you have this phantom person na…
/r/seduction16/07/22 04:07 PM
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I've seen enough guys who were credible that verified MM works and that mystery got results far above most guys. The criticisms are valid, its mostly traditional PUA game. Very tactical, very structured, very fake if you ask me, and geared mostly to getting layed. But, no question a guy can get real good at the game using it. You learn learn how to react to every possible scenario over time. But, its not the authentic you. Improvised natural game is a much better approach since its just communic…
/r/seduction15/07/22 08:21 PM
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You probably need to try out lots of different things. Just do it to see what’s out there and not necessarily to find a new hobby. Just explore until you find something you like. Dance classes, learning a musical instrument, fitness and healthy eating, cycling, mountain biking, scuba diving, the opera or seeing symphony orchestras, visiting museums, cooking, volleyball, taking a class in something, learning game, reading literature, wine tasting, motorcycles, etc… there are a million things you …
/r/seduction14/07/22 08:58 PM
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Great post. How long did it take for you to feel like you were getting into a flow and things were working well? This approach is what I’m working on and what I’d call natural game. I get it that it’s about developing yourself and some may say that’s not being a natural. But, that’s kind of getting into the semantics of it all. Who cares what we call it lol. The idea is to untap what’s already there and learn how to have fun, develop inner confidence, not get stuck in your head, etc… In my view,…
/r/seduction14/07/22 08:37 PM
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One thing I noticed is when some of the influencers started getting attacked and shut down, lots of people started creating private communities. They are out there, but you wouldn't know about them. guys are more serious and there is usually a few who actively cold approach and post field reports. So, I think its more underground now. Add to that, there is less awareness of the old school ideas. Many guys now are drifting back to its all about looks, read models, etc... The big one these days is…
/r/seduction14/07/22 02:18 PM
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Are you sure this isn’t a communication problem? Because you said you’ve been telling him what to do, but things haven’t improved. But you haven’t said why. I mean, are the things you told him not working? Is he not doing what you suggested? If you like him I wouldn’t end it over this. Try to find out what is the issue. See a sex therapist as that may help if you can get him on board. If this is a big deal to you, then it’s going to effect you both. If he looses his first sexual relationship due…
/r/seduction12/07/22 07:36 PM
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For men it boils down to social skills. Survival for women in the ancient world had to do with who had the most potential to be a leader or have social connections. Women were safer in groups, so a socially savvy man had the best potential for safety. So humor, boldness, standing your own ground, etc…, these were traits women looked for. The ones that didn’t, didn’t survive. So, modern day women have dna passed down from the ones who chose wisely, so to speak. Thus, women are attracted to the go…
/r/seduction12/07/22 04:01 PM
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Guys in the seduction community have been going out solo for years and it’s generally the preferred way to do well in pickup. I suggest to stop worrying about what you assume other people think, and go make things happen for yourself.
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:52 PM
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I would guess tinder will be better for you. That’s only because cold approach takes some practice to become competent. If your looking for quicker results, online will most likely give you better results. That said, if you feel comfortable approaching, go for it.
/r/seduction12/07/22 03:32 PM
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Don’t waste your time with these recommendations. Berba helps guys with social anxiety and don’t think yad coaches anymore. There are better options. Read my other response to see them.
/r/seduction10/07/22 09:24 AM
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I would highly recommend fluid social. Just look up his YouTube channel. He’s the most natural of all the London daygame guys and currently coaches. His approaches are very natural and smooth and he gets good responses, at least from infields he’s posted. I’d look into his coaching. Tusk and his associated coaches can also help, but I’m not a fan of their style. Too structured and interview mode, not enough creativity and attraction. But, they can get you started and get you through your initial…
/r/seduction10/07/22 09:22 AM
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Great post. One of the best I’ve read in a while.
/r/seduction09/07/22 03:32 PM
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What your describing is a common sticking point. For many people the hardest part of game is the abuse their ego takes. Have you tried to change your focus? Go out with the intention that you are going to talk to lots of people. Just one interaction after another. The purpose is to prove to yourself there is no downside to talking to people and you can frame all of it as a fun social experiment. Once you stop caring about the outcome it becomes easier. Especially if you can frame it as a fun for…
/r/seduction08/07/22 07:44 PM
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This is almost never going to be the case. The reason why is 99% of guys emanate needy feminine behavior and a host of other things that are unattractive to women. The entire idea of learning game is to turn yourself into the 10. None of those chodes online, including the good looking ones, are much competition. Once you have your look down and back that up with attractive bold behaviors, you will stand out from 99% of every guy out there and women will recognize this within minites if your game…
/r/seduction07/07/22 04:00 PM
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Sounds like you are doing multiple things to improve. Thats great. Only things I'd add is: You probably need volume of social interactions to make large strides over a few months. So, don't hesitate to amp things up and find social venues where you can interact with 50+ people per night. Incremental in your regular life is fine, but you can make alot of progress if you find places where you can socialize with lots of people in a few hours. Learn to embrace social fear, or chaos, or discomfort, w…
/r/seduction06/07/22 09:09 PM
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It's good that you are working on yourself with fitness. That will help if you stick with it. But, what do you think you are capable of right now? What would be a risk, but something thats doable for you? Is it just trying out a few opens, aka conversations starters? Is it what to say after the open? Is it just the process of walking into a venue at all? Or something else? Try to figure out what you current sticking point is, and push past it. Find something that is doable, but stretches your co…
/r/seduction06/07/22 04:20 PM
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What your missing is there are girls that are his type, but she will be turned off because his game is off. His sub-communications are a turn off as it is for most guys. Its why people learn game in the first place. Its not about trying to make a girl who has no attraction to you become attracted. Its about the girls who could be attracted, but your communications skills, aka game, is a turn off. The game is played with "yes" and "maybe" girls, not with "no" girls.
/r/seduction06/07/22 03:23 PM
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This is just an excuse for not having game or good seductive social skills. Women can be very neutral or unattracted to guys they would like, if it weren’t for their socially conditioned unattractive behavior. So yes, you can generate attraction with good social skills. Otherwise, you’re just playing the numbers game.
/r/seduction06/07/22 10:29 AM
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I was in a similar situation, good looks and no game. You have a few options, but you probably already know what to do. If striking up a conversation feels unnatural, then you need to develop social skills. You need practice and to push your comfort zones. Learn to free associate and improvise conversation. Learn to get out of this reserved place you are in and to free flow. Learn to make conversations man to woman, etc… Or you can use online dating, or just hope something will come along and ch…
/r/seduction06/07/22 10:21 AM
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There is so much that can be said on this subject, but I’ll get right to the point. Guys should learn natural game, which isn’t really game at all. It’s just your natural personality and working on yourself to improve communication skills. Find those parts of your personality that are attractive by interacting with people and learning what is attractive. There is no game to see. A girl would have to reject attractiveness since that’s all it really is. And any guy who’s worked on himself, isn’t g…
/r/seduction05/07/22 07:39 PM
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It’s not uncommon for a therapist to recommend a different one that they think will help you better. Point is, you may need to try out a few before you find the right one.
/r/seduction05/07/22 07:16 PM
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I think this is a misunderstanding of what this advice means. Focusing on the process and having fun doesn't mean don't try, or don't have an outcome you want to achieve. But, if you get your fundamentals down the girls and dates will be there. Focus on yourself and the things you can control, keep it fun and don't get in your head. Thats a much better approach than to be focused on an outcome. The problem most guys have in doing this is they get in their head and are way too focused on getting …
/r/seduction05/07/22 04:24 PM
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I’m not a fan of this style, but if you’re going to use it try Tom toreros model. After the open, cold read to find a topic: Excuse me, I know this sounds random… Then something like, “what I noticed about you is you have a dreamy artist vibe about you. Are you a musician?” Or whatever you want to cold read on. Think of her job, location, or what she’s doing right now. Your just looking for a topic. Once you get one, then twist it and have fun. Tease, challenge, etc.,. Look up Tom toreros beginn…
/r/seduction03/07/22 11:14 PM
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It’s usually your inner game that is off. This creates sub-communication that you project that isn’t ideal. It’s generally something about what you are projecting to women. I can talk about inner game, but you sound like you already know this stuff. I’d say just try to let go of the outcome, self amuse, and game yourself. Try to get into a flow state where your thinking mind shuts off, have fun. Experiment, make yourself laugh. Are you in your head at all? Are you in self judgment after approach…
/r/seduction03/07/22 11:04 PM
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The thing that made him successful is that he took massive action, pushed his comfort zone, tried out everything under the sun, and had wings who were better than him. David D and Mystery were both guys with 10+ years of approach experience that style learned from. Even if you don’t like those guys, they knew the game and how it worked.
/r/seduction03/07/22 10:54 PM
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The hard part is you need to throw yourself into the fire a bit so you can figure out how to open better. This looks like a sticking point on your opening game. Most likely your body language is conveying uncertainty or something that is causing these reactions. The simple answer is you need to experiment with different ways to start conversations. Just try everything. Adapt a mindset that you are learning new things, so forget about the outcome. Always focus on the process and not be reactive i…
/r/seduction01/07/22 04:07 PM
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Humor can be great, but it can also be very neutral. The problem comes in when you are being funny and it can come across as platonic and even try hard. For seduction there are 2 things you want to do with humor: Make it self amusing humor. Don't do it to get a result. Do funny things because you think they are funny. It makes you laugh. It doesn't matter if others do. Its great if they laugh with you, but you don't need the validation. Not to say be a jerk about it, but learn to calibrate some …
/r/seduction01/07/22 03:28 PM
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If you’re having trouble coming up with something to say, then you’ve already lost. The idea is to get out of your head and improvise something based on being in the moment. If you’re having to think about it, you’re doing it wrong. That’s just an opinion, and you can certainly learn some canned openers. Just don’t expect them to land all that well. Making a comment about the girl or her group and then following up with “what are you celebrating” can work. “You guys look like you’re having more …
/r/seduction30/06/22 10:41 AM
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There are a few things to consider and a few things you can do. Make no mistake, you can look as good or better than the PED pumped up guys. A natural look is the best. But, you need to learn how to use clothes to your advantage. First, the most important bit: The thing that makes you look good is body symmetry. Thats mostly where good looks come from. So, the seperation between shoulders and hips. That's what you are looking for. That V shape. That doesn't mean you need to be jacked. But, the m…
/r/seduction29/06/22 09:28 PM
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After mystery and style were doing this style of game, improvements were later made. Namely, natural game as taught by rsd. That said, style and mystery will still the real deal and going out for years, approaching, figuring out what works, etc… it’s been verified by others that they got good results. Even if we criticize routine based game, peacocking, negs, etc…, those guys were testing out everything to see what worked. Much of it was based on David deangelo and what he figured out from going…
/r/seduction29/06/22 05:50 AM
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I have been told that going out and looking for something like this to happen is a bad strategy and it's best to wait and let those moments/opportunities come to you but idk I've been trying that strategy for over a decade with absolutely no luck. Yep, you know this is bullshit. You have to make things happen otherwise you may be waiting forever. So how do most people meet woman? Like I hate big groups of people (I just feel lost) so I generally stay away from bars or clubs. I have tried OLD in …
/r/seduction28/06/22 04:54 PM
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Truth is not much is different. All the same principals apply for game. The biggest difference is that your looks should give you confidence if your mood isn't off. That will help your non-verbals be on point. Attraction is mostly the good emotions women feel when they are around you. That's what attraction is for women, mostly. And that has nothing to do with looks. So, use your looks to give you a good vibe and confidence. After that all the same principals apply.
/r/seduction28/06/22 04:49 PM
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There is probably no way to completely vet a coach. You just have to pick one that seems legit. Most will have an initial call with you. You can use that to see if they are a fit. I would recommend karisma king or honest signalz. Not because I know their coaching is good, but that What they teach is my preferred style, mostly natural game. It’s the best style to learn imo. For instance, you mentioned you like gaming and that girls in clubs see that as nerdy. You can make that work. It’s called n…
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:19 AM
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The main thing is to realize NYC is a place where you can really transform your skills. Not too many places with the amount of daygame approach opportunities you will get in NYC. That said, girls may be used to getting approached. Loads of guys used to come to NYC to learn daygame. Not sure if it’s still like that, but women may be more used to getting approached there.
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:03 AM
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This is a seduction community mostly comprised of men. So yes, it’s mostly a perspective of how this will effect men. If you read the title, that’s exactly what’s being asked. And no where in my response did I support this ruling. If you think that’s arrogant, then you are creating that in your own mind.
/r/seduction28/06/22 09:40 AM
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Blue states are unaffected by this. So, San Diego, LA, Chicago, NYC, Vegas, none of these cities will change. In red states, women may be unwilling to have casual sex because of the risk. But truth is, no one wants to get an abortion. Its not something any women was planning for before. Its just much more of a problem now as the government will try and force them to have the child. So, women may be more hesitant now. Over time it probably won't have a huge impact, but it could impact casual sex …
/r/seduction27/06/22 04:35 PM
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Ideally, practice in a place where you can get 10+ approaches in. That’s going to be bars for most people. Big cities provide the best opportunities.
/r/seduction27/06/22 09:54 AM
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Start thinking of dating as a way of meeting new people with no expectations. Look at is as a way to be social, meet new people, and see where that goes. You don't have to sleep with everyone you date. So, if the girl is not that hot, maybe she will be of value to you outside of sex. She has friends, may be an interesting person, etc... That said, alot of people will tell you to expand the locations of where you are meeting women. Improve your game, if you have any. Don't lower your standards. I…
/r/seduction25/06/22 05:20 PM
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Best way to handle a white knight like this is two things. First, never jump into his frame if you can help it. Don't let him drag you into being competitive with him. You may not be able to avoid it, but all you have to do is say you are having fun and being social with people. And don't get mad or defensive about anything. You did nothing wrong, so no need to defend anything. Get away from him, stay in a good mood, he's irrelevant. The second part is if he insists on getting in your face, he's…
/r/seduction25/06/22 04:47 PM
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I was going to respond to OP post, but in the end it looks like he gets it. So, not sure if this post is just a statement or not. But, most of what OP pointed out in the beginning is not relevant if your doing things right. Good natural game doesn't look like game at all. You are just being social and having fun with people. People are joining in, laughing with you, making fun of things with you, enjoying your vibe, etc... If people don't want to talk to you, no big deal. All you were doing was …
/r/seduction25/06/22 04:39 PM
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Good looks will never get you to the promised land. Unfortunately, some guys just refuse to get this. But, looks and game are not discrete items. It's all part of one thing, which is what you present to the world. You can't have good looks without game and expect women to be attracted. They won't be for the most part. There are always 'yes' girls, but outside of that looks will never attract women unless you have a personality that is attractive as well. Tons of good looking losers are out there…
/r/seduction25/06/22 04:22 PM
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Well, its likely to start a debate lol. But, some of my disagreement relate to what I value in cold approach. Its not just about getting laid for me. Exploring social dynamics, getting into the moment and having loads of fun is why I'm learning natural game. I will point out I'm still learning, albeit at an older age. So, I have experience with women, just new to cold approach. But, I see game like fitness, its a form of self development. If you just want results and you don't think your results…
/r/seduction23/06/22 04:22 PM
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Good writeup on how to play the numbers game. Nothing against that. I would disagree with a few opinions, but it's not that important. There are different ways to cold approach, we don't all have to do the same thing. If this works of OP and others, then I say keep doing it.
/r/seduction23/06/22 03:26 PM
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If that’s the case, then just drill on that. Look at it as a sticking point. Here are a few ways of thinking about it. Try to find something positive about the interaction. It could be anything, even that you gained some experience. Frame it as positive and a have a smile on your face after each set. If you’ve ever played a video game like god of war where your health is depleted after a battle, then you open a chest and get this recharging effect that lifts your health to 110%. Think of each in…
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:51 PM
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Try lifting weights at night. Push until failure, put some work into it. If you don’t lift often, expect to be worn out the first few times. Once you are used to it, notice the boost in energy you get the next morning. It’s a boost of energy mixed with mental clarity. It’s literally like being in a flow state without having to do anything. Once you experience this a few times, you can time it before you go out. It’s a huge advantage in energy. Just be sure you aren’t eating like crap which will …
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:33 PM
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Be careful about attaching yourself to outcomes. You may feel dejected if you do since most outcomes aren’t going to be that noteworthy. Look at it as a process. You are going to talk to hundreds of people over a few weeks, each interaction isn’t that significant. Always be smiling and having fun after each interaction. Never get caught in self judgment if you can help it. It’s all learning experiences.
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:27 PM
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Go out with the mindset to talk to everyone. Or, talk to lots of people. Focus on having fun and stretching yourself. Try out new things, get present and in the moment, see where it goes. Desensitize yourself to outcomes. Prove to yourself there is no downside to talking to people. Experiment with things, self amuse. Look at social skills like an art form: you are a performer and the bar is your stage.
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:17 PM
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I had a friend who was a valet in NYC. He would post pics of all these hot girls he said he was hooking up with from that job.
/r/seduction22/06/22 07:19 PM
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Tough to get anywhere while driving and she’s in the back seat. Totally get why you wanted to try though, she looked hot. But, she also gets these exact standard conversations from loads of guys. How can you stand out and be different? That’s what you want to explore. you could have spiked up alot in this conversation. Lots of opportunities to insert humor, make fun of her, challenge, role play, or spike it up in another way. This was a nice friend to friend hairdresser type of conversation. Aga…
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:06 PM
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Great post. This is really where it's at. Only thing I'd add, is we are all different so guys need to find what works for them. For me, combining cold approach with building a social life through personal interests and social circles is where it's at. At least right now. Old school paradigm: Cold approach is like the gym for your social skills. I don't see it as the only or even optimal way to date women. But, its how you build social skills through lots of practice. It's where you learn how to …
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:51 PM
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It’s tough, but not something that should hold you back. Definitely not worth giving up for. Plenty of guys with similar issues, such as polio, that find attractive wives. You just may need to be tolerant and adapt the right mindsets. If it’s not a problem in your mind, then it may not be in hers either. It’s a handicap, but nothing more. Also, keep in mind there are lots of ways to meet women. Apps, social circle, etc… try to find what will work best for you.
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:56 AM
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It’s going to be bars in your area, or bars in a nearby area. Keep in mind, college will end and the rest of your life will be like your home Situation, not a college campus. Why not start to prepare for that? You could do daytime approach, but you need quite a bit of pedestrian traffic. I’d say pick a bar or a few bars and go check them out on the weekends.
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:34 AM
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It’s great your taking action, but your mindsets are holding you back. You should be focused on letting go of the outcome, and instead focus on having fun in the interactions regardless of outcome. Replace the negative mindsets with positive ones. Each approach should be positive in your mind regardless of how it goes. Don’t get caught in self judgment after an approach. Your mindset should be positive after each one. If not, work on that.
/r/seduction18/06/22 09:03 AM
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His infields are a little hard to find. There are some with this Pimp program, which is his core product he made with rsd. It's not alot of infield, but there are some in there. Enough to show the principals he was teaching. You can find Pimp if you google it.
/r/seduction16/06/22 08:02 PM
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What OP described is essentially playing the numbers game. If you want to be like 99% of the other guys out there, then take this advice. Sure, you'll get some results. The numbers game works. But, you will most likely not generate much interest from most women mainly due to you not standing out from the crowd. Your just hoping to get lucky, which again, can sometimes work. You will probably come across as average. However, if you want to stand out and improve yourself, then learn social skills,…
/r/seduction15/06/22 03:33 PM
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One thing you could try is do a weekend adventure. Book a hotel in a big city where you know there will be loads of approach opportunities. Then try to practice all weekend. Go nuts with it. The purpose is to not do 1-5 approaches per day or per week. But try to get 50-100 in a weekend. Basically, get a shit ton of practice in a single weekend. You can accelerate the learning curve. Just be sure you don’t get yourself in any trouble if your uncalibrated.
/r/seduction14/06/22 05:44 PM
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Yep, this is what OP and most people miss. It’s all about delivery and vibe, not the lines themselves.
/r/seduction14/06/22 05:37 PM
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There really isn’t a good book that exists for this. From what I learned from products, I haven’t seen it in book form. And you crossed most books off the list already. There are still good books to read. Just don’t expect to get all insights into game from a single source. Try these: the power of now the way of the superior man Sperm wars My secret garden Those are all books that come up from time to time in the pickup community and have some controversy. They aren’t pickup books though. So, th…
/r/seduction13/06/22 07:55 PM
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The best way to deal with rejection is self amusement and having an abundance mentality. If your having fun the whole time, rejection won’t matter. That’s self amusement. And if you know your going to be talking to 20, 50, maybe even 100 girls over a weekend, who cares if one girl wasn’t interested. It won’t matter. The only time you want to dig deep is if everyone is resisting you. Then try to figure out why. Otherwise, have fun and don’t worry about rejection. It won’t matter if you adapt the …
/r/seduction13/06/22 07:25 PM
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This is one of the things that I know I'll be dealing with. I'm an older guy and when I used to hit the bars in my 20s it was mostly dive bars and bars with live bands. But, now I'll be going out to clubs to meet women, and have no idea how to get in. I've been wondering about this. I'll be going solo and Just worried I'll stand in line and they will just say no when I get to the door. But these tips should help.
/r/seduction13/06/22 06:15 PM
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He's just being real and being direct about it. It sounds like OP is using being introverted as an excuse. We all have high and low energy states.
/r/seduction13/06/22 04:30 PM
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Be sure you're not using being introverted as an excuse to not work on yourself. If you feel challenged in loud bars, then maybe that's the reason you should be practicing there. I'm also introverted, but I have an extroverted state I can get into when needed. We all have high and low energy versions of ourselves. Be careful not to rationalize your way into a social box that keeps you where you are currently at. To improve social skills you have to stretch yourself. Challenge your comfort zone. …
/r/seduction13/06/22 04:29 PM
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The opener isn't that important. Anyone that tells you to always open direct is trying to pigeonhole you into a very specific frame. Learn natural game and forget all that. It's more about your vibe and inner game than anything else. You can use no opener and it can be much more effective than any other way. It just depends on the situation. Learn how to start conversations naturally based on your mood and vibe at the time. Field test different ways and you will see what is most effective for yo…
/r/seduction10/06/22 04:28 PM
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Yep, I think that's fair. There is common advice using the London Daygame Model (LDM), which is to do 30-50 daytime approaches per week when you are starting out. New guys are literally giving direct openers to 50 girls per week which could lead to guys getting themselves into a lot of trouble if they aren't careful. Add to this, outcome independence, a critical aspect of game, and you can get guys making girls uncomfortable and training themselves to be desensitized to it. That's just turning y…
/r/seduction10/06/22 03:32 PM
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So Deontology is one conern... I think this viewpoint is flawed because everyone in the world isn't doing it. Not only that, but there is a huge variation of what good game looks like. For someone who is good at natural game, it looks like a normal conversation. So, unless you think conversations is a bad thing, this doesn't really apply. As for being uncalibrated, yes it can be a little off putting if someone is uncalibrated. However, if the beginner is learning the right way, one of the overal…
/r/seduction09/06/22 04:08 PM
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Game is about social skills and social dynamics. The problem is most guys need to work on themselves so they can project the most attractive versions of themselves to the outside world. Most don't have the social skills to do this. They need to practice and learn the social dynamics behind what is attractive. Its unique to each guy, but there are fundamental principals as well. It really comes down to projecting the most attractive version of yourself to women. Not every girl will be attracted, …
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:54 PM
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Instead of getting bummed it actually motivated me because I realize it isn’t even that bad. This is the key mindset shift. When you realize its not that bad, turn that into its always good. Pull something positive from every interaction. Once you realize its not that bad, then you can approach anyone without being in your head about it.
/r/seduction09/06/22 03:47 PM
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As the say, the self always shines through. You can't fake confidence and it sounds like this is what you are running into. Not saying you aren't confident at all, but there is something in your thoughts when you interact with some of these women that is being conveyed in your body language. You can't fake it. Best way to deal with this is to use self amusement and abundance to get out of your head. Basically, talk to loads of people and just self amuse and have fun. Get into a flow state where …
/r/seduction08/06/22 01:26 PM
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It's all inner game. It may sound deep, but its the main thing that is at play. What you want to do is crush your ego around conversations. Basically, you want to talk to lots and lots of people, pushing your comfort zone, with the main purpose to prove to yourself that nothing conversationally is really a big deal. So, rejections, awkward silences, running out of things to say, using humor, using high energy emotion, saying random things as they pop into your head, everything. None of it is dan…
/r/seduction07/06/22 04:51 PM
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In my view, there are two problems with this way of thinking. I'm not saying its totally incorrect, but there is more to it than many may think. First, before social media attractive women had lots of options. Its not like they used to have limited options, now they have this huge abundance. They had a large abundance before, just not as much as now. Second, 99.9% of guys these girls get attention from are average to below average guys. Even if a girl is lucky enough to land a physically attract…
/r/seduction07/06/22 04:28 PM
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Looks to me this guy is trying to get views by using Bill's podcast. I didn;t watch it all, but seems you could pause a video and just make up things to criticize, which is alot of what he's doing. I do have a bias as I'm a fan of Bill. But, he's known for criticizing the younger generation, cancel culture, me2, etc... Not everyone likes him. I just like that he's the only left leaning guy I know on TV that is willing to call out mainstream bs as he sees it. Very rare on the left.
/r/seduction06/06/22 10:03 PM
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Think of a guy that has worked on himself and has these traits: He's fun to be around. In conversations women love the good emotions they feel when they are around him. He doesn't take value from anyone. He doesn't care if people accept his ideas or not, he loves his ideas because they are his. Doesn't need validation from anyone. If people laugh at his jokes, thats great. If not, thats great too. He doesn't need the validation. He's not in his head about what people think about him. He comes ac…
/r/seduction06/06/22 09:31 PM
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Hopefully other people who know these cities will weigh in, but I've aways heard NYC is one of the best places for game. You won't go wrong either way though. I live in the Chicago area, and lots of guys do daygame here. Chicago is an awesome summer city. But, I've heard both cities are very good for game. It would be hard for anywhere to be better than NYC I would think. I love Chicago just as a city, so I don't want to downplay it. Just saying, NYC is on another level than most cities. Ask aro…
/r/seduction06/06/22 08:07 PM
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One thing I'd say about fitness, is you need to be ready to do it. It has to become a priority. The reason why is it's a pretty tough lifestyle. It's like being an athlete. The workouts can be vigorous and you have to stay consistent. It's not easy. But, its totally worth it. Too many benefits to list. Everyone should get fit in my view. But, don't expect it to be easy. It's a gradual form of self improvement and very rewarding. But, at the same time very demanding. You have to learn to love to …
/r/seduction06/06/22 07:56 PM
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I think the problem is you didn't learn from the right sources. Natural game is what you want to learn as its just amplifying your own natural personality. Nothing fake or gimmicky about it. If you studied the rsd content surely you know about this? There is no real unlearning, its just focusing on the right things. You can do what I'm doing. Just go out and talk to everyone. Prove to yourself there is no downside to starting conversations with people. Destroy the ego around that so you can walk…
/r/seduction06/06/22 03:03 PM
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Rsd was real social dynamics and were the biggest company that taught game for years. YouTube was filled with hundreds of rsd videos from around 2012 - 2018. Inner game was a primary focus and it was a loss to the community when they shut it down to teach self help. Many modern coaches teach their ideas. Owen and Julian are still teaching the self help content, which has some of the same principles. But it’s way watered down and fairly boring.
/r/seduction04/06/22 11:57 AM
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There is an old school idea that comedians don't get laid, but rock stars do. I won't go into detail, but you want to be careful not to become the dancing monkey. There is a difference between being self amusing cocky/funny, and trying to make people laugh funny. It can come across as too try hard if your not careful. It can be a friend zone frame. Truth is, you can probably find a way to make it work. Just know if your putting on a show it can come across as a bit needy. But, whatever works I s…
/r/seduction03/06/22 08:47 PM
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I would agree with all this. Learning game theory can help and its worth it if you are learning the right things. Improvising conversation, free association, challenging girls, self amusement, etc... But, truth is, you can learn this in a weekend, and internalize it over a few weeks. You don't need to over analyze it. Trouble is, most of us will do just that. We will procrastinate, we will make excuses why we're not ready, etc... I think everyone will be on their own timeline. But the main point…
/r/seduction03/06/22 05:01 PM
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It’s great your taking action! What is your mindset after each interaction? Are you caught in self judgement at all? Does it feel weird? Are you questioning yourself at all? Any negative thoughts? I only ask because it’s common to be caught in self judgment after approaching. If so, work on adapting a mindset to switch that to all positive thoughts. It’s an inner game skill. Have you considered approaching lots of people, not just women? Taking to random people can warm you up so when you approa…
/r/seduction03/06/22 10:52 AM
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It's all about mindsets. Consider this. You go out to socialize with people and women. Your total focus is on having fun, not on getting the girl, or her number, or getting laid, etc... You are looking for conversations where you can make yourself laugh and others will laugh with you since humor is contagious. You're not seeking anything from anyone. Your not focused on getting numbers, getting laid, etc... In fact, you don't need anyone's validation for anything. If you say a joke and no one la…
/r/seduction02/06/22 06:58 PM
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Your too nice We would never get along Your too tall Your too short Your too beautiful Your too stuck up Your too (insert in anything random from the conversation) You can also say, "I can't talk to you anymore. Your too ..." Of course, its done in a playful non serious way.
/r/seduction02/06/22 03:11 PM
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I would agree with most of this, other than the time constraint. Perhaps it works, but it's just a fake routine, not something I want to use. I'd rather improve on captivating the girl or her group off the open, than say "I can only stay a minute, my friends are here" as some sort of trick that keeps you in set. Again, not saying it isn't effective. But, I'd rather tighten up my game than have to use a FTC. Even if I have to get blown out alot and practice hooking better, I'd rather not have to …
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:30 PM
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Your assumption is that the awkward version of yourself is just as effective as the polished version. In other words, one version doesn't convey attractive qualities and the other one does. And you think they both will get the same result? That's just false. It's like saying a salesman in training will be just as effective as he would after having years of experience. It's skill and experience that makes the difference. Everyone can improve communication skills. What you describe suggests there …
/r/seduction02/06/22 02:21 PM
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There are lots of cases of guys like you doing well. The main thing is to work on the areas that you can change and realize most attraction is based on male behaviors. Learn how to have fun interacting with women and seek out lots of opportunities to approach. You can also get fit and learn how to get fitted clothes. This will improve your look. Also, keep in mind others perceive you differently than you perceive yourself. So, don't make too big of a deal about looks. Make the focus on accepting…
/r/seduction01/06/22 09:02 PM
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Yup. I am sorry but if you are going after women who like 10 years younger than you, you will be seen as a creep no matter what excuses you give. Either live with that label or date within your own age range. And before anyone calls “a jealous old lady” - I am also a young woman. That label is in your own mind. So you and others like yourself are the only ones living with it. Most older guys aren't going to care what judgemental people think about it. Now, if someone was to confront the couple, …
/r/seduction01/06/22 08:40 PM
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If you’re dating teenagers when you’re in your late-20s, you’re either trying to take advantage of the power dynamic or you’re really immature for your age. Um no, if an older guy is dating a younger woman its probably because she's attractive.
/r/seduction01/06/22 08:37 PM
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First to date a young woman. It goes usually with the cost of approaching dozens and making all of them uncomfortable until one finally agrees. You don't know how it usually goes. Your not an older man approaching women. These are all assumptions your making up in your own mind. ​ That's also not counting all the times when it starts as a man having a position of power : teacher, cop, boss/manager… This is sounding like a socially conditioned me2 type mentality. Women have freedom of choice. The…
/r/seduction01/06/22 07:54 PM
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Go out ALOT, do it solo and you'll start to build a social circle: I started this journey solo 10 months ago. I went out 4-5 nights a week solo for like 2 months before meeting a wing. I'm not sure what your working situation was when you started, but did you find any difficulties going out this much with a day job? And were you out late into the night each night? Or did you just plow through and deal with the lack of sleep?
/r/seduction01/06/22 06:26 PM
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It's probably difficult to find topics because the vibe and conversations are boring. You can talk about anything, but what makes the conversations good is your vibe and how you communicate. Focus on bringing energy, humor, and free association. You will realize you can talk about just about anything. If you find something funny, so will others. If its interesting to you, it will be interesting to others. It's contagious. But, you have to bring enthusiasm and a good vibe.
/r/seduction01/06/22 12:36 PM
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Book a hotel in a big city where you think you will have the most opportunities to meet people/women. For most guys, they will need to leave their hometown and get out to a city to find the opportunities they seek. Even if its just for practice, consider traveling to a city where you will have an abundance of opportunities to socialize. Start by being a tourist, just get used to travel and enjoying the city. Learn how to navigate around. Do this a few times if you need to. This is your journey, …
/r/seduction31/05/22 07:58 PM
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Self amusement. Game yourself. Make yourself laugh and bring social value to other people by having fun. Stop caring about what other people think. More importantly, practice not needing validation from anyone. If you say a joke, and it makes you laugh, you don't need anyone else to laugh. Your not tied to needing validation from people. Then, just game yourself, self amuse, etc...
/r/seduction31/05/22 03:31 PM
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You already know what to do. There is probably nothing new to learn. You just have to interact with more people and learn how to not take yourself so seriously. Pickup artists call this "outcome independent". Remember, everything about this should be fun. Learn to laugh at yourself. Look at it as a social experiment. Try to get out of your head and replace your inner thoughts with positive ones where you adapt the mindset that nothing is a big deal, and its all a fun social experiment as you lea…
/r/seduction31/05/22 03:24 PM
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Learn to self amuse and game yourself. Once you stop seeking validation from others, and you can have fun entertaining yourself the flood gates can open up. It’s mostly inner game that’s holding you back. Find things that make you laugh and learn to not hold back and not worry if others think it’s funny. It’s funny because you think it is. Then just self amuse, make yourself laugh. Game yourself. Learn to not care so much what others think. Obviously, you have to learn to calibrate or it may not…
/r/seduction30/05/22 08:57 AM
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First, decide where you will meet new people at. Do you go out to bars or parties? Then, just get good at starting conversations with new people. Show a little more attention to the guys you are interested in. See if they take the hint and return the attention. Isolate the guy if you get a chance to. One of my girlfriends met me by asking me to ride with her for cigarettes at a party. See if things move from there. But, you will have to be social since you need a pool of guys to choose from and …
/r/seduction29/05/22 09:57 PM
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Are his books even available anymore? Seems like it would be hard to find copies these days.
/r/seduction29/05/22 09:45 PM
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Your too much in your head. If you’ve studied theory then you know self amusement, focus on the process not the outcome, have fun gaming yourself, self amusement, etc… It’s all there. You just have to work on it. Perhaps focus on this one sticking point, and practice. Don’t try to insert game theory into a conversation. Just focus on your sticking point, go from there.
/r/seduction29/05/22 11:36 AM
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Your clothes fitting well will be one of the most important aspects of your looks. Fashion can help, but being in shape and having your clothes fitted is the biggest difference maker. It can be debated on whether or not looks matter or how much they matter, but if your clothes don’t fit near perfect, then you will have a very neutral look. You can be in shape from the gym, but no one will know because it’s hidden beneath a shirt that is not tapered and oversized.
/r/seduction29/05/22 11:28 AM
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Your essentially talking about calibration. You have to practice calibrating your communication to what the girl gives you. Everyone is different, every girl is going to respond differently to different things. Learn to read body language and to adjust and recover from negative reactions.
/r/seduction29/05/22 10:52 AM
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I'm around your age, not that is matters too much. Guys that are running game in bars and clubs sometimes use a technique called compliance testing. You don't need to get caught up in game techniques, but you could try some of this to see where the girl is at. Generally how it works is if you are already in a conversation, you want to test the waters to see if there is attraction. So, guys will try something like a kino move (aka touch). Something that shows a little intent. Do you get a positiv…
/r/seduction26/05/22 04:49 PM
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Do a google search for rsd hot seat at home and rsd pimp. If you get those programs, you will have all the modern teachings that go beyond mystery method and many hours of infield breakdowns. You won’t need anything else. Mystery is good to be exposed to, but guys learned that using your natural personality and focusing on inner game was a much better way to go. No routines, tricks, or being fake.
/r/seduction25/05/22 11:53 AM
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A lot of game theory is about waypoints to get to. You don’t insert it into conversations. Forget about most of it, approach with your natural personality, then evaluate sticking points based on theory. Make adjustments, then improve. It’s not really meant to be tactics. It’s more about guys that are good have those characteristics.
/r/seduction25/05/22 11:37 AM
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I’ve always heard LA is spread out and it’s car culture, so not much of a pedestrian city. There are probably areas that have people. The promenade in downtown Santa Monica is where most people filmed infields. So, that’s probably one of the better areas. But, I don’t live there so can’t say for sure.
/r/seduction25/05/22 11:32 AM
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The main thing you want to learn is how to talk and talk without filter. There are 2 things you can do to develop this. Both take practice. First, you need to prove to yourself that you can talk about random things and its not a big deal. You can literally talk about tomatos and you won't die. Once you realize this, you will be able to free flow. Its not rocket science, but it does require social risks. You have to do things you aren't comfortable with. Thats just how social skills works. Pick s…
/r/seduction24/05/22 04:24 PM
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If you went out to the bar with the intent of talking to whoever is close by, self amusing and having fun, you probably wouldn't have much trouble. Problems come in when you get in your head and think about how to approach or what to say. Basically, when you care about the outcome, then you get in your head about it all. Just try talking to random people and bounce around. Forget about outcomes. Get into a good flow state where you are not in your head about anything, your just having fun being …
/r/seduction24/05/22 02:40 PM
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Just ask their thoughts on a machine, other exercise equipment, or routine they are doing. Try to add in self amusing humor into the interaction if you can. See how that goes.
/r/seduction23/05/22 04:30 PM
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Well, my view of cold approach is its the training ground. It's the gym for your social skills. Its where you train your mind in the area of seduction. Consider looking at it as social skills you are working on. With that said, what is your main sticking point? What do you think is the thing holding you back right now? Here are a few common ones: Fear of the unkown Fear of making a fool out of yourself Fear of looking like a social misfit and fumbling over your words Fear of showing sexual inten…
/r/seduction23/05/22 04:17 PM
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In general, daygame has less volume so you don’t get as much practice. I’m some places you won’t find enough women to approach. Night game also has group dynamics and lots of opportunities to do higher energy game. It’s also a social environment so people are open to meeting people vs daygame where people aren’t expecting to chat.
/r/seduction22/05/22 12:41 PM
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This has been talked about for many years. Lots of people wonder about this. The consensus from most coaches is you don’t want alcohol to be a crutch that you have to rely on. Some guys can only talk to women when they are drunk. You want to be able to do it in any situation. You Don’t want to rely on alcohol. Learn how to be attractive and take it with you everywhere you go.
/r/seduction22/05/22 12:31 PM
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Your numbers suggest you are still at the beginning level. You shouldn’t expect big results with only 300 approaches. Focus on the fundamentals and the things you are trying to get better at. Identify your sticking points, and drill on those things if you want to improve. Things like eye contact, vocal tonality, self amusement, showing intent, making the interaction man to woman, using humor, free associating (improvising conversation), etc… Also, remember cold approach isn’t perfect. You have t…
/r/seduction22/05/22 12:26 PM
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Unfortunately, there are different opinions on what works, so you will get different responses from different people. Its starting to become like politics, it depends on what your beliefs are. For instance, I think reading Models isn't going to change a thing in your dating life and learning game the right way is where its at. Add to that the community is getting softer and is rolling back to the whole looks thing or saying game doesn't work. It's sad, but you will have to decide what makes most…
/r/seduction19/05/22 03:50 PM
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PUA burlesques work only short-term. You *can* get a girl with games and gimmicks, but if you aren't a valuable guy they will smell it and go away after a few hook ups. This is where I think some of the confusion happens with people. If you learn social skills and game the right way there are no games and gimmicks. Its your natural personality, you're just learning all the places you can go with it by pushing your comfort zone and learning from each interaction. The premise is most guys have nev…
/r/seduction19/05/22 03:41 PM
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Self amusement, game yourself. Make it a fun experience where you know its a little crazy and just have fun with it. Look at it as therapy where you are learning how to laugh at yourself. I've heard of guys do missions where they walk up to girls and make it awkward on purpose. "Hi, I don't know what to say because I don't ever approach. What's your name?" Its an approach anxiety destroyer. Most of those are advanced though. Someone else had said just talk to everyone, and that is probably the b…
/r/seduction18/05/22 04:56 PM
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Your taking action, so that is great. Your learning from approaching, so you may not need too much advice. But, here are a few things to consider: To get past where are you at right now, way past it, you could just travel to a big city where there are lots of chances to approach. Get a hotel or place to stay for the weekend, and go on a mission to approach, approach, and approach some more. Get past the beginner sticking points fast. If you set your mind to it, you may be able to get 50+ approac…
/r/seduction18/05/22 04:12 PM
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I think some of the comments here just prove your point. The real issue for most guys I think is leaving the house and doing something different from anything they have done before that has social risks. It seems daunting and over the top. It's hard to get started. And then there are guys who just don't buy in. They don't think game is real. Just read some of the comments here. So, there will always be a group of guys that get it, and others that don't. Totally agree with you though. I'm an engi…
/r/seduction18/05/22 03:45 PM
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I'm around his age, although not sure it matters. I'd say, find out his situation. Do you know if he has a girlfriend, dates, or is married? Can you find out in a conversation? If you find this out, you could also ask if he likes or dates younger women? Read the signals from there. If you ego can take it, you can just be direct at some point and see if he wants to date. That's the most for sure way to make things happen. Its a risk though. Another thing you can do is what most women do, just sho…
/r/seduction18/05/22 03:23 PM
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You have to find a way to meet alot of new people. Things will probably progress from there, but you just need to meet and date alot to find the right person. Dating apps or college activities could work. You could also just be more social with guys in your classes. Think about talking to them right before and right after class. You have anything related to the class as conversational material. When you meet a guy who seems like he could be worthy, make subtle gestures that you like him. This is…
/r/seduction18/05/22 12:46 PM
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Learning game and realizing I could do it at a younger age. When I was in my 20s, before cold approach had a community, I thought you had to be a certain type of guy to do well in bars. Wish I would have just started going out and watching how guys were approaching and started doing it myself. Theory can get far too technical, but self amusement and gaming yourself go a long way. You won’t run out of things to say if you don’t rely on positive responses for your good mood. Make yourself laugh, g…
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:29 PM
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There are a few ways you can go with this. First, get her talking about herself. Ask her open ended questions and that should get her talking. Second, you already know what to say to keep the conversation going, you just don't realize it. You are worried that what you say will not be good, or make you look bad and this puts you into your head where your thinking mind shuts off. If you learn to free flow without judgement of yourself, you would be able to talk and talk without issue. Work on not …
/r/seduction17/05/22 03:01 PM
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To be honest, any muscle you loose from cutting, you will get it right back once you stop cutting and start lifting. As long as you get the right amounts of protein, lift hard and have consistant workouts, you will get all the muscle back fast. Its how the body works. Muscle memory is always there. 1-2 months and you will get it all back most likely. You can lift 1-2 times per week, hit it hard on those days, and that will probably keep your muscle. But, I focused on cutting 100% at first and it…
/r/seduction16/05/22 04:43 PM
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I do basic compound lifts and it has worked well for me. Pull ups, reverse bodyweight rows, overhead press, push ups, squats. I started with just pulls ups, overhead press, and push ups. Later started doing the others. Do this 3X per week. I use a pullup bar that goes into a doorway, use this for pull ups and push ups. Its great, but will probably upgrade soon to a cage and dumbells. My next lifting phase will be more isolation for the middle shoulder and upper traps. But, currently focused on c…
/r/seduction16/05/22 04:37 PM
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Fitness is a big part of my world, and there are a few things I would add. OP referred to "lean but muscular" and this is where its at. There is nothing wrong with getting big and jacked, but guys should know the best look is probably around 12% bodyfat and enough muscle where you don't look skinny anymore. Not skinny, but you don't have to be huge. Just a decent amount of muscle on a lean frame. Your noob gains will probably be enough. This may be different for everyone, but most guys will gain…
/r/seduction16/05/22 04:21 PM
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Nice post about willpower, but I don't think its that relevant to good game. Reason why, if you are doing things right then you're gaming yourself. Lots of self amusing fun. Getting into the moment where your thinking mind shuts off. It has nothing to do with willpower. Using willpower suggests you are engaging your logical mind to try and engineer the right things to say or do, and I don't think that leads to good game. Willpower is great and worth working on for sure. I guess it could be part …
/r/seduction16/05/22 03:43 PM
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Interesting topic. One important note is that this was a survey with online sites, such as dating sites. It's in the context of what people respond to or choose with their logical minds engaged using technology, and data extracted from that. This is much different from the real world where a women is feeling good emotions from how she feels when she's around an attractive guy. She doesn't know why she's attracted, she just is. It's not her logical mind that gets attracted, its the emotional. And…
/r/seduction16/05/22 03:35 PM
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Your in your head and possibly putting girls on a pedestal. Learn how to self amuse and game yourself and things like this won't matter anymore. The focus is on yourself and the fun you can generate from within as you interact with women. Once you get into the moment your thinking mind shuts off and you don't care about age, appearance, what the girls think, etc... Then you can just free flow with no restrictions and things like how young you look have no meaning. People are too caught up in the…
/r/seduction16/05/22 02:45 PM
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Well, since you included tv shows, then the obvious answer is russell brand. Just find vidoes of him on youtube flirting with women on tv. He's a master of natural game.
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:22 PM
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Just a few thoughts. First, its great you have some good things going, but keep in mind just because you don't have approach anxiety or some girls have responded well, that doesn't mean you have good game. sounds like you need to work on inner game. Here are a few inner game ideas you can try, or come up with your own that may be related: Every time you approach, after you get out of the interaction, make yourself smile and adapt the mindset that it was a positive experience. Find something good…
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:46 PM
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I've digested most of the pickup material from mystery, to rsd, to the daygame guys, etc... RSD had alot of great content. There is criticism to go around, but for guys who haven't been exposed to it, they are missing out. It's a deeper level of game than most coaches teach, but great content in my view.
/r/seduction12/05/22 06:29 PM
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If your game is tight it's really not rejection. It's just talking to people. Some people want to talk others don't. You just have to learn how to let go and put it all in perspective. If a girl doesn't want to talk to you, or doesn't give her number out to you, who cares. Draw value from the act of conversating and expressing yourself.
/r/seduction12/05/22 06:27 PM
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Well, only you know what these are. Think of something that seems risky and try it out. If you see a girl you like, tell her you think she's hot, directly. If you are an introvert, try leading a group of people with a story about something that happened to you. Or, anything else. Anything that feels risky, but something you'd like to be able to do, go try it out. Afterwards, even if it doesn't go well, say to yourself that it wasn't that bad and you can do it again.
/r/seduction12/05/22 04:33 PM
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Your filtering yourself. There is energy and exciting conversation you can bring, but your stuck in self judgment so you hold back. The only way to change this is to take little social risks, learn that you can recover from anything, and practice a lot. Learn to let go of the outcome. As most things go, it’s all about inner game. It seems like outter game, but it’s the conversation in your head and experience stepping out of your comfort zone that is needed.
/r/seduction12/05/22 04:05 PM
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It's true, there will most likely never be a situation again where you are surrounded by attractive women like you will be in college. But, all you need to do is go to a popular night club, and there is a higher abundance of attractive women. Obviously, its more competitive. So, it isn't like you can never be around women like this again. But, your day to day routine is most likely not going to include so many because of the demographic. Students are mostly between 18-28 and that range will have…
/r/seduction11/05/22 03:36 PM
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There are a few lanes you can take with this. First, just tell him you are being social, talking and meeting new people. Have a positive frame when you do this. Then, you can just leave if you think its not worth escalating. Or you can continue on with the girls and ignore him. Another option is, Just say you are being social and talking to people. Try not to be too reactive. But, draw a line in the sand since you have every right to do it and have no obligation to inform him about it. Then poli…
/r/seduction10/05/22 03:58 PM
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Since you're in a college town, then your pretty much set. There should be plenty of attractive women to approach, especially in the bars that are packed with students if you can find them. As for inner game, I learned it from rsd. If you're unfamiliar, they were the largest game/pickup company from around 2012-2018 or so. Vids were all over youtube, but sadly they got out of the game due to cancel culture. But, you can find their programs online, just google it. "rsd hotseat at home" will give …
/r/seduction10/05/22 02:45 PM
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Your overrating online dating. These good looking guys you refer to mostly have no game, and girls will loose attraction to them quickly. Women are mostly attracted to male behaviors and if you have no game, your looks won’t mean much. Cold approach is about in person interactions where you can convey attractive qualities. That’s why it’s better.
/r/seduction09/05/22 09:25 PM
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First thing, consider your location. Bars are most likely your best option, but it does depend on you. Are you close to a big city? Is there a large university near by? Is there tourism close by? Most people will start in their home town, but think about what your options are given your location. Once you zero in on where to go, then adapt the right mindsets so you will stay in the game. Mainly, make it fun, don’t get too serious about rejections or a-hole people, and learn how to open. Just pra…
/r/seduction09/05/22 09:00 PM
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What are your thoughts as to how to proceed? How do you see yourself meeting women now? Online dating? Cold approach? Social circle? It looks like you are focused on everything that’s wrong and that’s a downward spiral. Little chance of success if you stay focused on your ex and what you think your shortcomings are. It’s just a negative mindset to be in. You want to reverse that into an upward spiral of having fun and meeting new women/people and not taking anything too seriously. Time combined …
/r/seduction09/05/22 08:45 PM
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I’d agree with this. But, if OP finds something else that feels more congruent, then say that instead of just hi. Just say something and let go of this being a big deal. Take the pressure off and just say hi or some other simple thing. Step up from there.
/r/seduction09/05/22 08:33 PM
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If you’ve never hit on a girl, then essentially you are practicing opening. Or opening until you get the conversation to hook. Try to make it fun, don’t get in your head about it. Remember, you will probably need to do most of the talking for the first min or two. So focus on that. Just try and get into a good vibe and let it free flow. Go into one after another. Don’t just do one or two approaches.
/r/seduction06/05/22 11:29 AM
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JA has a bad reputation because he tries to cut down other coaches as a form of marketing for his own products. That’s a very shady tactic. Most references I’ve seen is people think he does know something about game, he’s not a noob. But, I can’t verify anything.
/r/seduction06/05/22 11:19 AM
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Yep, I get that. Most of what I've learned about inner game suggests the reason why you react this way off the open is because you are unsure about how things will go. Its normal as we are all like this when meeting people, especially women. But, this throws our sub-communications off. Women sense this as a lack of confidence and its a blowout. Think of the future version of yourself where you feel exactly the same as you described when in a group conversation and the flow is established. All yo…
/r/seduction05/05/22 09:38 PM
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My approach to game is to anticipate that I may get rejected at every approach. It could happen. That doesn't mean it always will, but if it does, I'm prepared for it ahead of time. The focus isn't on the result really. Its the act of socializing and improving myself. The skill you want to develop is to not care all that much about the outcome. Focus on what is causing these blowouts. Its most likely your inner beliefs and that manifesting itself in your body language. Women sense this and don't…
/r/seduction05/05/22 03:40 PM
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Go watch a few Russell brand videos of him flirting with women. He’s way over the top and you don’t have to replicate what’s he’s doing, but it will show you all the elements that go into it. They are good examples.
/r/seduction04/05/22 11:54 AM
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I think its too bad so many people don't see the difference between 'tactics' and improving yourself. More and more guys are coming on seddit and trashing anything that resembles improving yourself and learning game as all pua bs marketing. I guess its less competition for those who dive in and realize its all related to self improvement. Taking action, improving, adapting the right mindsets, and experiencing those shifts in your inner beliefs as you get better, thats the purpose. It's not some …
/r/seduction03/05/22 08:13 PM
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Confidence, good health, and having fitness as a daily hobby are the main benefits. All three are significant and will improve your life in many ways.
/r/seduction03/05/22 03:14 PM
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The problem is this question comes from the frame that you are in reaction to what the girl or others think and you feel you need to impress. These are beta mindsets. You want the world in reaction to you, not the other way around. I would suggest instead of worrying about your job, own it and present it as one of the many things that makes your life awesome. That’s going to be much better than some other job you think may be more impressive. Being a software engineer is an accomplishment and el…
/r/seduction03/05/22 02:47 PM
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Whatever you do, you will probably have to take a social risk so you can improve. If you keep doing whats safe you will get the same outcome. What could you do to escalate things? Try to think of a few things you can try, and see what happens. If you can get into a free flowing state where your thinking mind shuts off and you are just free flowing, that's ideal. Its the waypoint to get to. But, I don't think the answer is complicated. You probably already know what to do. Just try to have fun st…
/r/seduction02/05/22 07:31 PM
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I hope people read your response, because this is what people should be doing. I think guys are watching infields on youtube, then trying out the script. Then they find they are in their heads, and it doesn't go so well. If they do what you described they would be much better off. For anyone doing daygame, others have done this before and went t thorough all the same things. its worth learning a few things from them.
/r/seduction02/05/22 04:10 PM
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There are inner game skills to develop in this game that gets you past these issues you are having. If all your focus is on what you say and do, and your not working on your mindsets then it’s no surprise it’s painful. Look into outcome independence, self amusement, the world being in reaction to you vs you being in reaction to it, viewing every interaction as learning experience so that each approach is positive, rewarding, fun, etc… Also if you were to travel to a big city with lots of pedestr…
/r/seduction02/05/22 11:55 AM
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Things are easier for older guys, mainly because our inner beliefs are so much stronger than at a younger age. Getting attractive women is just as possible at an older age, but it all comes down to the same thing. You will need to work on your game. If you have no game, then you have lower chances with women in general at any age. There are drawbacks with being older, but at the same time there are other advantages. It's not the same as being 30, but who cares. Guys need to stop thinking about "…
/r/seduction29/04/22 04:01 PM
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There are a few mindsets that can be useful. First, is try to make approaching women a fun social lifestyle. Draw value from the fact that you are being social, inserting a great fun vibe into your interactions. Having fun meeting and talking to people should be the focus. If you get good, it will probably be you just doing that. You will approach women when you see them and have interactions that bring value to you and the girl. Next, after every interaction try to frame it as positive. Again, …
/r/seduction27/04/22 05:02 PM
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You should be fine. Austria should seem common to most people in NYC. Have to remember, there are lots of tourists and foreigners in NYC. Everything I've heard is NYC is one of the best places you can ever go for daygame. There is so much pedestrian traffic, you will have lots of opportunities to approach. If you have never approached during the day before, it could be a way to get over approach anxiety. Just don't get yourself in trouble with uncalibrated behavior. If you have never approached,…
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:27 PM
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Just go to the party and have fun. If you get a chance to talk with this girl, then great. But, don't go out of your way. It needs to be casual, otherwise you will seem too needy. Focus on meeting other girls. Let her see it if you want to create a jealousy plotline.
/r/seduction27/04/22 04:16 PM
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Who knows. Rsd could have created these programs downloadable so their teachings wouldn't be lost. But, they decided they weren't going to teach game anymore due to cancel culture. So, they are self help now. That's why these programs aren't available for purchase anymore. You can find owen cook, julian blanc, and jeffy as they all have youtube channels. Its mostly self help, but its alot of the same concepts. They just sugar coat it so the masses won't try to cancel them. But, the old programs …
/r/seduction27/04/22 03:59 PM
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Youtube is probably a better resource than books are. Karisma King is the one I'd recommend as he follows rsd based natural game. In my view this is much better than old school Mystery Method which is routine based game. Your better off working on yourself, not just dropping routines. But, you can read Mystery's book for overall info. It's good to give you an idea of what game is like. Just google "Mystery Method pdf" and it should just show up. You can also look for the rsd programs which are o…
/r/seduction26/04/22 08:15 PM
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Tennis. I took a tennis class once and it was myself and 5 women. Don't do it to meet women, do it because you want to learn the game of tennis. Getting good at something like tennis can also open up new activities if you get a team, compete, join a tennis club, etc... But just know women do like to take tennis classes, so it will provide social opportunities. Another thing you can do, is take other types of classes. Look for anything that peeks your interest and take a class. See what happens. …
/r/seduction25/04/22 04:18 PM
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You either accept social skills can be learned or you don't. If you accept it, then there are terms and language that come with that. Yes, some of it is weird and could be dropped. This mostly comes from the pua community. On the other hand, playing the numbers game, which is the alternative, most guys won't be very good at it. Guys will have approach anxiety, run out of things to say, think they are being attractive when they aren't, get in their head and not approach at all, etc.. If people we…
/r/seduction25/04/22 03:43 PM
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I would agree to a point. It probably comes down to what resonates with you. Most of the other rsd programs seemed to teach the same content as Owen's program, but simplified. I don't mind the extra details, although its hard to follow owen at times since he's all over the place. He likes to demo the principals as he speaks. Also, 6+ hours of infied breakdowns makes it worth the value to me. Pimp or HSAH are both worth having imo.
/r/seduction25/04/22 03:30 PM
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Looks like you are still working on getting your mindsets in place, since you are in your head before approaching. How many interactions are you doing on a typical day out? Have you considered doing drills to work on AA? You could try framing each interaction as positive. desensitize yourself to negative outcomes, as it’s all just learning lessons. Make the whole session fun and not a big deal. Try different opens. Go indirect. Try opening as if the set is already open. Pretend like she’s a frie…
/r/seduction24/04/22 03:38 PM
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Good job. I would suggest to also focus on your vibe. Just get into a positive outgoing state, and try to free flow. If not at first, at some point in the night. You will probably find you won't need to think about what to say, it will just flow. Then try and capture that so you can repeat it next time. When you're good at this, you don't need openers. It's more about vibe, being social, and having fun.
/r/seduction22/04/22 03:32 PM
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Have you thought about trying to go out for the sole purpose of having fun, getting into the moment, and just talking with people? Finding a flow state where you are truly not in your head about anything and just free flowing where you can pretty much say anything to anyone without any worries? Letting go of the outcome, and putting the focus on yourself and how you communicate with people? Being fully present where you thinking mind shuts off? It may sound woo woo, but inner game is a big part …
/r/seduction21/04/22 06:25 PM
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Well, I think the value comes from you being a social person who isn't taking any of it too seriously, and not entering her negative frame. It's ok to respond to a shit test if she thinks you went too far. Some of the dark side pua tactics would say to do things like this on purpose, then practice recovering from it. Then you can spike emotions and take it to crazy levels. There was a video with rsd julian talking about this and he'd tell girls he regularly killed cats. He'd be relentless until …
/r/seduction20/04/22 04:08 PM
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Let go of the outcome and just focus on chatting with people. Make it a mission to talk to random people without judging yourself. It could be one sentence, then you walk off. Then, step up and do a little more. Whatever seems like a small social risk, take it. Stretch yourself each time. You really need to get out of your head and into the moment. So make little missions to do that. Don’t over analyze it. Just try to get in the moment and when you find yourself in self judgment, turn that off. …
/r/seduction20/04/22 07:54 AM
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Just tell her you were joking and didn’t mean it literally. Then, continue on as if it’s no big deal. If she continues to act this way, have some standards. Let her know you like to joke around, but if that’s offensive just move on. Too many other girls to talk to who are upbeat and positive. No need to be around negative people.
/r/seduction20/04/22 07:20 AM
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I seem to remember Vadim doing this before. He disappears, then comes back. I'm on his email list, and nothing new since January. He's been teaching for a while and may not be making that much money anymore, who knows. He's legit though. Good example of a normal non good looking guy and what's possible. Could he be better? Sure. But, it's enough to generate attraction. Hopefully he'll come back. I did notice he was doing lives for a while. You may want to be on the lookout for that since he may …
/r/seduction19/04/22 07:01 PM
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If you're having a fun conversation with a girl where the energy is up, can you see yourself saying something sexual without worry that she may get offended? In other words, can you get out of your head regarding how she may react and just be in the moment having fun?Any playful teases you can think of that are sexual? It doesn't have to be more complex than that. There are other ways to make the conversation man to woman. But, flirting, teasing, self amusing fun is one way. Watch this russell b…
/r/seduction19/04/22 03:33 PM
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The problem is you need to practice bantering and you think you don't know what to say, when you actually do. What most likely is happening is you don't think what you will say is worthy, or good enough, or you will be judged, or some other unknown outcome, and you get stifled and stuck in your head. Your not willing to take a risk. Take a few social risks and improvise something in conversations. Try something out that is outside of your comfort zone, see if you survive. If you do, then do it a…
/r/seduction18/04/22 08:00 PM
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If you want to unlearn pickup material, then go out, be yourself, approach and see what happens. If you're like most people you will realize there are social skills involved. It's not rocket science. People study social communication in business all the time. People practice public speaking all the time. There are social skills to learn. Building attraction and making a connection upon cold approaching is no different. Toss it aside if you like, see how good you do. If it works, then forget abou…
/r/seduction18/04/22 07:51 PM
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Well, PUA is natural game. At least the more recent version of it is. Instead of thinking about tactics, think about waypoints. Places to get to in your communication style. For instance, most guys will approach a girl and not realize because they are unsure of themselves, at least a little, they are projecting thousands of non verbal signals to the girl that they aren't that confident. The girl may see this as the guy ins't being truthful or real. Thus, they get rejected over and over. So, the …
/r/seduction18/04/22 04:19 PM
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No, this is based of what I learned from RSD. If you watch karisma king, he’s a current coach that practices from the same principles. Those guys teach a form of game that is about becoming an attractive person not just using gimmicks and tactics. It’s so much better than what most people are teaching, although most current coaches have some basis on the rsd principles.
/r/seduction14/04/22 08:53 PM
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One of the inner game skills you want to develop is outcome independence. Basically, you don't want to be in your head caught in self judgement after an approach. It's death in game to do that. With each interaction, when you walk away, try to reframe it as positive. There are no failures, only learning lessons. Think about it. After the approach you described, you are now 1% better and more experienced with approaching. You also are desensitizing yourself to unresponsive girls. So, your a littl…
/r/seduction14/04/22 03:52 PM
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If I were you I'd focus on practicing. Get good at opening to hook point. If you like the girl, then make it man to woman, generate attraction, etc...
/r/seduction14/04/22 03:45 PM
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You could always use cold reading. Think of any question you can ask, and reframe it as a way of guessing it. You are basically making an assumption and direct statement instead of using a question. Its more direct language and you can add in lots of playful teasing or just more interesting conversation. Look at these questions reframed as cold reads: question: "So what do you do for a living?" cold read: "You look like a school teacher." question: "Have you ever gone scuba diving" cold read 1: …
/r/seduction14/04/22 03:32 PM
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First thing, isn't it interesting how girls can make a really simple post and have 136 responses within a few hours lol. As for vulnerable, most of the sources I learned game from would say to be vulnerable. I haven't read the comments, but I'm going to guess the book models came up due to it being a book about vulnerability and its popularity here. But, in general being vulnerable can be good. But, like anything its about calibration. It can become sign of weakness if framed the wrong way. It n…
/r/seduction13/04/22 07:11 PM
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Starting off with fitness is a good idea, so all good there. If you do everything right, you will probably see significant gains early on. Especially if you are overly skinny. You should see rapid gains. Even if you think you are a hard gainer, you don't really know unless you have lifted before. You have to eat right and lift correctly. There are plenty of resources out there for that, so check those. But do realize, you will gain lots of muscle in the first 6 months. Not everyone realizes this…
/r/seduction13/04/22 02:07 PM
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RSD max fearless, owen's hotseat at home, and julians pimp are all out there. Just google those titles and you should find them. These are their core programs they don't sell anymore and I wouldn't be surprised if rsd put them out there so the teachings won't be lost forever. Great programs by the way. Owen's program is the best product I've ever seen for game.
/r/seduction12/04/22 06:46 PM
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Looks like you are in your head which is whats causing you issues. Main thing to do is start practicing things that are a little bold for you. Anything that seems like a social risk. Then realize that it wasn't that bad and you can easily do it again. Then do it again, until you get comfortable with it. Step up with something a little more bold. Thing is you already know what to say, your just being filtered. You are worried what you say may be weird, or wrong, or something else. Once you take a…
/r/seduction12/04/22 06:36 PM
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Is it possible you are the shinny object that they gravitate to, but your not building enough of a connection to hook them? It looks like you are getting some attraction, but its not enough to keep them interested. Girls will show the kind of attention you point out, but its not a big deal to many of them. You need to make more of a connection. Are you standing out from other guys? Challenging them in any way? It sounds like a sticking point where you just need to escalate things a bit more. Not…
/r/seduction12/04/22 06:28 PM
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Social skills is real and it should be normal to get out of momentum if you take a break. But, I wouldn't worry about it. You should be able to get back into your current state with a little practice. It's just like anything, you get a little rusty. But, it won't take long to get back into the swing of things. By the way, one of the things I learned from Owen from rsd is that adapting the right mindsets for game can be critical to staying in the game. Most guys get burnt out and quit due to self…
/r/seduction12/04/22 03:06 PM
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What are your thoughts on Dallas as a location for game? Daygame? Nightgame? Just wondering since I work remotely and I want to travel to various US cities to check them out. Most people talk about Miami, Vegas, and NYC. I don't expect every place to be as good as these, but how doable is game in a city like Dallas? Or are you just using online dating?
/r/seduction12/04/22 02:51 PM
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First, I'm a middle aged guy so a bit older than many of the guys here. I don't recognize the idea of a so called "Chad" that is somehow supposed to be above me in some way. It seems like such a looser mindset, back in the day we never had these terms. Incel, chad, simp, none of this nonesense existed. If there is a chad, I'm that guy or I'm working on myself to become more of that guy. But, it's not some real or imaginary dude who is supposed to be above me in some way. Fuck that. Be an individ…
/r/seduction11/04/22 03:56 PM
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This is pretty much the idea. I say a combination of learning how to be unfiltered and present combined with practicing it, this will get you there. The problem is most guys won't take the action to practice. But if the OP does take action, then he will probably find out being fun is something he can already do with a little practice and inner game work.
/r/seduction11/04/22 02:38 PM
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How have you found karaoke bars in terms of attractive women? Just wondering because I'm a singer, but never really went to karaoke bars. Its something I want to start doing. Would be great if it could be a good way to meet women as well.
/r/seduction09/04/22 01:17 PM
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I've been a musician for many years and have seen the benefits regarding attraction from women. I've also gotten laid from it. Being a musician can be highly effective. Especially if you build a lifestyle around it. But, here's the thing. If you are in a band that is just there to provide music, it isn't necessarily going to get your girls. The story I usually like to tell is being at a party, being asked to play piano, 10 mins later the entire party was in dead silence listening to me play. You…
/r/seduction09/04/22 01:11 PM
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The biggest downside to day game is most guys will never find high volume of approach opportunities. If you live in an ideal city, then your fine. But, 90% of guys won’t be living in those places. Some guys may find 1-3 approach opportunities per week. That’s not going to cut it. It’s the biggest downside to day game. Night game is the opposite. It’s mostly high volume venues with lots of approach opportunities. Good places also have alot of attractive women in one place. It gives you more oppor…
/r/seduction09/04/22 12:49 PM
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You actually did two things right, although you may not realize it. You approached. That's the first one. But, you also got an emotional response. You said she smiled and giggled. Remember, girls are attracted to how they feel emotionally when they are around you. So, if you can get these kinds of responses, thats what you want. Compare future approaches where you have a boring hair dresser conversation. You will see the difference. As for what else to say, try to focus on just having fun and tr…
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:42 PM
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I think this is a really great public service message. And I agree, its not talked about enough in the pickup community. Here is a thought: What if after you have sex with the girl, you ask her if its ok to record her and you in an audio recording? And the conversation would include her admitting she had a good time, or everything is fine and well, maybe even that she consented to sex? Seems like good evidence.
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:24 PM
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When you start to really think about all this, the LMR tactics seem so wrong to learn. I'm saying from a legal risk perspective. Truth is, I always looked at LMR as something I wasn't going to do. Mainly because I've been in enough situations with girls in my life where things organically happen. I wasn't interested in trying to get a girl to change her mind if she didn't want to. If it happens it does, if it doesn't it doesn't. But, after reading about such incidents, I'm thinking pulling from …
/r/seduction08/04/22 06:08 PM
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Sure, but you can be a low life with any method of meeting women. You can use online dating and treat women like objects to conquer. You can meet women through your church and see them as total sex objects. That’s separate from how to socially interact with them in an effective way. Learning how to be attractive is a fundamental skill that will serve most men well throughout their lives. It doesn’t mean you have to treat anyone badly. The way I learned game is to bring value to everyone around y…
/r/seduction06/04/22 09:23 PM
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The frame I come from is that this is all about self improvement. It’s about learning about attraction and social skills. So, when I post a response, it’s more about fundamental principles of attraction or social skills. So, that’s usually the context I’m coming from. People post about unique situations, but the responses I usually give relate to what social communication principles are at play that could help someone improve. Whether we call it game, or social skills, or whatever. So yes, the p…
/r/seduction06/04/22 09:05 PM
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Yes it does. If all those things are true, then the one thing a guy has to overcome those things is good game. And if your mindsets are off, you have no real chance.
/r/seduction06/04/22 02:15 PM
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First thing is take yourself out of this "introvert" box. Yes, you may have an interest in intovert types of activities, but you probably have other sides to yourself you don't even know about. Why not approach game as a way to learn about yourself in this way? There is no easy answer. You will simply need to find social opportunities to talk with lots of women and practice socializing. However you do that is up to you. Try to keep it positive no matter which way you go. This should always be a …
/r/seduction05/04/22 04:49 PM
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Think about this. When you are speaking to women, you are probably saying about 120 words per minute. But, how you carry yourself with body language, you are sending off thousands of signals in that same time frame. Add to this that most attraction is in the behavior women experience when they are around you. In other words, body language is huge when it comes to attraction. Its what women are reading when they are around you. It should be one of the main areas to focus on. Not really the words,…
/r/seduction05/04/22 04:25 PM
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If you expose yourself to the teachings of the community overall, you will get all you need. However, there is no bs in most of what pua coaches are teaching. All legit coaches will tell you about the mindsets you will need and the time and practice it takes to improve. Anyone who says a bootcamp or pua coaches are trash, they usually know nothing about what these coaches are teaching. What you have to keep in mind is that most coaches are teaching you the craft of getting layed. Everything is a…
/r/seduction04/04/22 03:07 PM
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Here's the thing. If you let going bald get into your head that will reflect in your body language and how you carry yourself, at least a little. Maybe alot depending on you. The solution is to build confidence around it by getting girls to chase you even with your baldness. Then you no longer are in your head about it and its not relevant. Then, you radiate confidence. Inner confidence is the thing you have control over, so focus on that. Women are mostly attracted to male behavior, so get your…
/r/seduction31/03/22 06:08 PM
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Sounds like what you are doing is great. It's a healthy way to build social skills. Here are a few more things to consider: Be sure you are pushing your comfort zone. Sounds like you are, but you will need to do this to improve. Many guys get caught up in doing the same thing over and over. Some guys studied cold approach, took bootcamps, did tons of approaches, but never improved. They weren't making adjustments, stretching themselves, and improving. You've got to learn by trying new things, ma…
/r/seduction31/03/22 03:34 PM
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Sounds like you are in your head about a lot of this. Your not being fully present and your getting decision making fatigue. The 3 second rule is a skill and as soon as you stop caring so much about the outcome, then you will be closer to free flowing. Try to get out of your head and enjoy the process of talking to girls.
/r/seduction29/03/22 11:35 AM
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I think caution matters, but most is this comes down to how you apply and learn the skills. To me learning game is about improving social skills. People learn social skills in all sorts of contexts especially business settings. Classes are taken on how to effectively communicate and improve. Guys that learn game hit it harder for sure and it’s a different context , but it still is the same thing. How you approach learning and applying the skill makes all the difference. Who says you have to go f…
/r/seduction29/03/22 11:21 AM
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I'm in a similar situation, but a bit older than you. I can tell you what I'm doing, but it may not be the same as you. To me all of this is a form of improving myself. It's all about social skills. So, my view is game is a glorified hobby I'll be working on for the foreseeable future. It's all positive. But, I'm not looking for a few gimmicks or routines. Rather, waypoints on how to improve myself socially. Inner game is a big part of it. I've learned from the top guys (their products), but sti…
/r/seduction28/03/22 08:17 PM
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The actual Bill Maher video is good, but the youtube video is most likely a coach trying to promote his channel. It looks like a breakdown of some sort.
/r/seduction28/03/22 04:46 PM
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As you probably know, they took down most of their content. Tyler did a series of videos recently as a last item before they moved on to self help. But, that has been taken down as well. Do keep in mind, Tyler's main program is hotseat at home and it's floating around online (just use google). It's his best stuff with hours of infield breakdowns. Highly recommend. Its the best product I've ever seen regarding game.
/r/seduction28/03/22 04:43 PM
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Yep, inner game is where it's at. Alot of guys don't get it or don't buy in, but if you get your beliefs and inner game solid everything you say and do will convey attraction.
/r/seduction28/03/22 04:18 PM
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He just starts talking to them like its nothing and for some reason, I yet have to understand, they just light up immediately. Most likely his fundamentals are down which is why it probably looks normal, yet he's getting the girls attracted. Attraction is in the sub-communications and body language which is mostly inner game based. It's your beliefs. It's what separates the guys who are good from those who aren't. One guy can watch someone who has the fundamentals down and they don't know why at…
/r/seduction28/03/22 04:14 PM
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I think this insight is great. The only thing I'd point out is that there isn't one way to date and meet women. What the OP described is one way and is great for people building social circles. A healthy thing for most people to do. However, there are guys in the pickup community who learn cold approach for the sole reason they don't want to build social circles, they don't want to workout and get in shape, they don't want to do anything other that get good at game. Some of these guys are lookin…
/r/seduction24/03/22 04:51 PM
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Awesome! Sounds like you are doing the right thing then. Congrats for taking action.
/r/seduction24/03/22 04:10 PM
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Not a fan of the LDM (London Daygame Model) as that is mostly what Tusk is teaching. There are better ways, but I guess they aren't for everyone. For instance, the front stop is seen by many experienced guys as a bad way to approach. It's just a routine to act alpha. If you dive into actually developing the beliefs you don't need a special opener. You can just start talking to girls and have the same effect with your natural mannerisms. Keep in mind it's mostly your body language she will be att…
/r/seduction23/03/22 04:20 PM
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You should ask yourself a few questions: Do you think you can't move your conversations because you don't know how to transition, or is it because you are filtering yourself and sticking to safe topics you already know something about? In other words, is it possible you already know what to say to liven up the conversations? Perhaps you are keeping it safe and staying within your comfort zone. This is what most people do. As a result people can get in their heads looking for the right thing to s…
/r/seduction23/03/22 03:58 PM
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The techniques are mostly routines. One of the main reasons it's a great book is because it's about a guy who makes a life transformation from someone who knows nothing about success with women to having very good skill at the game. It's the action taking, adventure, and journey he went on that makes it a good book. And also that Neil is a great writer. But, the techniques are routines. These days people don't look at routine based game as the standard, but it's what they were doing back in the …
/r/seduction22/03/22 04:07 PM
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Would you mind elaborating on this? How can I get my thoughts and actions aligned with approaching and enjoying the process? I'm not suggesting you don't have an outcome you want. Obviously, we are approaching to get a girl. We all want that outcome. But, it's the social skills that gets you the girl, so if you shift your focus onto yourself and the things you can change, you can improve your results. It's just a different way of thinking and there is debate around this. Some people just want th…
/r/seduction22/03/22 03:22 PM
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The only thing I’d add is if you’ve been out of the game for a while, there was an evolution from mystery method and the London day game model. A lot of it is inner game based mainly taught by rsd, but something to consider if you want to dig deeper. Many people see it as a higher level of game, but it depends on who you talk to. But, looks like you are approaching and taking action, so that is what matters most. Also, it’s rare these days to refer to girls as targets. I’m not offended at all, b…
/r/seduction21/03/22 07:50 PM
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When you approach someone what you want is all your thoughts to be in promotion of a positive outcome. So, think of your future self like this: you have done many approaches, you have experience, and all your thoughts are in line with approaching and things going well. You have no thoughts of hesitation or things not going well. You can call this promotion orientation. Your thoughts, words, and actions are all aligned with approaching and enjoying the process. Your just having fun and sharing va…
/r/seduction21/03/22 11:49 AM
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Put your focus on your social skills which will lead to an actual sex life. Try to put things into perspective, you're feeding a potential sex addiction. Just tone it down, and try to work on meeting people, going out, etc...
/r/seduction17/03/22 08:17 PM
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The way I learned is game should be fun. It's one of the most important aspects of game. The guys who quit usually aren't having fun and its why they quit. Instead of hoping people gravitate to you, try approaching them while having a good time. If you have good energy people will respond in a positive way.
/r/seduction17/03/22 08:12 PM
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Keep in mind you are in one of the world class locations for game. Probably competitive, but daytime and night approach, you have endless opportunities to approach.
/r/seduction17/03/22 08:09 PM
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If you want to cold approach, consider focusing on 1 -3 fundamentals. Don't get caught up in a million details as game theory can get detailed as you probably know. First step is where are high volume areas in your town? Which places have the most approach opportunities for you? You have to go find that out. Alot of guys want to do daygame, but I don't think everyone is considering that there may not be that many approach opportunities. So, find the best locations in your area. This is usually b…
/r/seduction16/03/22 09:00 PM
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Basically, you have 3 choices and can combine any of them. Social Circle Online dating Cold Approach As you can probably guess, most people here are focused on cold approach as its the most direct way and you can go after what you want, rather than hope for someone to come along. But, it's not easy and doesn't work for everyone out of the gate. Also, with cold approach you can focus on becoming really good at the skill, or play the numbers game. Getting good can take alot of practice and adaptin…
/r/seduction16/03/22 04:22 PM
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Strange post. But, rsd is teaching self help now. They were getting bad press since pickup is a target for the media. They didn't see a way to keep it going on social media since they would eventually get black listed. So, they decided to move into self help. Although they teach alot of the same principals. You can find owen, julian, or jeffy with their own youtube channels catering to self help. As for other boot camps, who knows what some random coach said. If they are telling you to avoid cer…
/r/seduction15/03/22 06:25 PM
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Sounds like you already know alot about this. I know you are looking for comfort game, so I may be off, but here is another perspective. From reading your post I noticed it's almost all outter game based. What you say, what you do, following a structure, etc... But, not much was said about building attraction, investment, and then a connection. Or what value you are conveying to these girls. Is it possible you aren't generating enough attraction so there isn't much investment from these girls? I…
/r/seduction15/03/22 04:03 PM
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Both cases, neither type of guy is getting lusted after. It's social media engagement which isn't the same thing. If these guys met these girls in real life and were your average nice guys, it most likely wouldn't go very far. The girls would be excited to meet them, may even have positive expectations. As soon as these guys convey non attractive qualities in their behavior, attraction goes to zero. Every girl is different, so yes there are exceptions. But, if you don't convey attractive qualiti…
/r/seduction15/03/22 03:26 PM
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There is a post like this every 1-2 weeks. The most credible people I've seen that were actually going out and doing thousands of approaches, almost universally agree that it's mostly male behaviors that generate attraction. I've been a good looking guy most of my life and for me looks is great for inner confidence and getting initial attention from women. But, that's about it. That said, I work on my look every week. Sure, it matters. But, its behaviors that matter most, by far. If your results…
/r/seduction14/03/22 06:59 PM
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He is most likely conveying everything with body language. Watch his eye contact, vocal tonality, and how he sets the tone that he's a sex worthy man. It's tied to his beliefs, they are probably solid so there is no insecurity. Women will sense that you aren't confident in your body language which is where alot of guys fail. This guy probably has that clear intent down. Just watch him. Look for how he uses his eyes and how he makes his intent clear. If he's good like you say, he probably has the…
/r/seduction14/03/22 04:55 PM
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Well, this is the classic problem most guys will have. Most places are not high volume in terms of attractive women. It's hard to find those places. Bars and clubs are the best because they can be high volume. Lot's of opportunities to practice or socialize, and in some cases, lots of attractive women to talk to. You have to remember, most guys saying bars suck probably don't have game and don't go to bars. Make it a quest of your own. Find out where is the best places to meet women where you li…
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:37 PM
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I think your look is initially getting interest from girls, but you need to do more to get them attracted and invested. It's basically game that you need and there are many ideas and resources you can check on that. But, here are few things you may want to try. It's possible you are a shiny object that they flock to, but you need to do more to make a connection. Consider a frame where you make the interaction man to woman. Let them know you are a sexual man, she's an attractive prospect and it's…
/r/seduction14/03/22 03:24 PM
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Friendly is ok. Too friendly is not. You have to ask yourself, are you attracted to this girl? Do you see her as a potential sex partner? Then why are you being so friendly? Why aren't you conveying some of those other thoughts? Are you trying to hide something? Is all this being nice just an act to get something from her? I realize you probably don't think of your intentions like I described, but the girl can get those vibes if you're too nice. You need to convey that you are a sex worthy man, …
/r/seduction13/03/22 03:59 PM
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Seek out inner game sources. Sounds like you need inner game work. Just be sure you find sources that are credible, not just say this, then do this, and feel good about it. But, sources that will dig deep into your beliefs, where they come from, and how to do the work to improve your communication skills. That's the work you should be doing to improve. I learned from rsd, but there are probably others out there.
/r/seduction11/03/22 03:08 PM
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Maybe. But, most products are going to cover that in addition to infields.
/r/seduction10/03/22 08:35 PM
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You can learn some of the fundamental concepts from mystery. There aren't many instances of his content anymore, but the videos pop up from time to time on youtube. Truth is, his book has just about everything you need from him. The pdf of his book was around for years with a simple google search. Things have changed since the old days since more has been learned. Mainly inner game and how attraction really works. Women are attracted to mens behavior mostly and your mindsets and beliefs play a b…
/r/seduction09/03/22 10:13 PM
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I don't know much about coach kyle other than he seems popular at the moment. The product seems to have infields with breakdowns, he's calling it analysis. This is the key item you want. You want to see him approaching and breaking down all the little things in the interactions. It looks like lots of infied footage. So, if that's legit it seems good. Only thing I don't like is the price tag. A bit too expensive if you ask me. You can find rsd hotseat at home floating out there in the wild that w…
/r/seduction09/03/22 08:15 PM
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The answer is pretty simple. You need to immerse yourself in social activity with the focus on having fun. No worries, no self judgement, no expectations. Just talking to people and enjoying the process. That's going to fix alot of these mindsets you have right now and from there you can learn how to better socialize, approach women, or whatever your interests are. Whenever you find that you are judging yourself, try to replace that with laughing at yourself or just not taking it seriously. Lear…
/r/seduction09/03/22 05:23 PM
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Think of starting conversations with people you don't know. The main sticking points people generally have is they get stuck in their head, have approach anxiety, etc... So, try to remove all that by putting everything under the umbrella of having fun. Just go have a good time, and if you can, start conversations with anyone else there while having fun doing it. Try to bring energy if you can. Don't over think it. That is generally a starting point. Later you can step it up and try out different…
/r/seduction09/03/22 04:43 PM
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Your interactions sound like they are man to woman. So, you are already in a good place. Most guys are in nice guy mode and never can get attraction. I would focus on a vibe that says you are a man who likes sex and has good intentions. Just do that. Don't hide the fact that you may want sex from some of these girls. You're normal. No reason to defend against that. Own it and create a positive vibe from it.
/r/seduction09/03/22 04:36 PM
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Consider useful mindsets that can be helpful in situations like this. The idea is to develop this over time. Its all about inner game. Let me use an example. Think of a guy who went through the same thing you did. And every text he got from this girl that was positive, it made him feel a little better about the interaction. Attention from girls can do this. It feels good. But, then if she sends a negative text, then his state goes down a little. Its nothing huge, but kind of like what happened t…
/r/seduction08/03/22 04:28 PM
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I've been a musician for many years and yes it can be highly attractive to women, but that depends on a few things. If you are in a band that no one cares about, where most people see the band as ambient music in the background or just another band, then its probably not going to make that much of a difference. However, even that is better than not being a musician. And if a guy has game he will know how to convey all the right things. Be passionate, be on your own path, etc.. Being in a band is…
/r/seduction08/03/22 01:30 PM
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I think this depends. If your the featured speaker or one of them, then it could be a bad idea. Best bet is when there is no real connection between the girl and your company. IF they are trying to make a sale or do business with her company, you will need to make a judgement call. But, I think there are cases where it should be fine. I'd love to learn conference game though. No better place to meet attractive professionals and women over 30. I've seen so many attractive women at business confer…
/r/seduction07/03/22 05:12 PM
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Here are a few ways it can help: You can buy products from experienced coaches with infield breakdowns You can afford in person coaching You can travel to ideal locations that are better for game. Maybe even get a second apartment in a big city.
/r/seduction07/03/22 02:46 PM
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Feeling awkward sounds like an inner game issue. It's normal, but something you may want to work on. Especially, if you find yourself in self-judgement mode. You want to fix that. I'm guessing from how you described this that you are doing only daygame. Not sure why so many people choose to do only daygame, but if you must, yes this will probably feel awkward since its during the day and just you and the girl. A few old school game analogies may help. This came mostly from owen from rsd, but som…
/r/seduction07/03/22 02:09 PM
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The problem is guys are too nice and too needy. That's a turn off for girls. So, if you push them away it shows you have boundaries and don't mind challenging her. Women in general like this. They don't want to date a pushover. So, if you push her away it shows you aren't needy. But, you can't just push, push, and push some more. She will think you don't like her or you won't show your genuine personality to her. So, you push her away with something like disagreeing with her or challenging her i…
/r/seduction05/03/22 01:08 PM
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If it doesn't work out with this girl, you can always ask her for feedback. Find out what the reasons were, so you are aware of them.
/r/seduction04/03/22 07:14 PM
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I agree with the sentiment of what the OP said. I'm on board with game and self improvement which is all my focus in this area. I find it fascinating and exciting. With that said, guys are frustrated. Things aren't great for men and some guys have been though serious pain over this. Venting about it doesn't make a guy an incel. In fact, I hate that word. It's no different in my view from the N word as its applied to people of african heritage or using the B word as applied to women. It's just a …
/r/seduction04/03/22 05:07 PM
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Focus on one thing first, and don't get caught up too much in a blueprint or master plan. They almost never work for most people. It's ok to have goals, but its the small daily habits that should be your focus. Try starting with fitness and nutrition. Its one of the things that is all within your control. Make that your starting point and focus on that for the next 2 months. It's most likely going to be a challenge as it is for most people. After a while, try to see what is the next item. But, I…
/r/seduction03/03/22 03:46 PM
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It’s all in your body language most likely. The problem is that when your beliefs aren’t solid, this probably comes out in what you are sub-communicating. I would try to change things up a bit. Try challenging some of these girls. Try to lead more. Use your eyes to show sexual intent if it feels right. But, if your mindset has insecurities that will be conveyed in your body language. It’s likely this is what’s happening. Also, this is normal. Most guys will fall into the sticking point of seeing…
/r/seduction03/03/22 11:41 AM
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Your obviously not having fun which is one of the core fundamentals of cold approach. Youre taking it all way too seriously which seems like your downfall. Lots of inner game issues. I would focus on not being so over dramatic about all this and develop a new attitude. Again, it should be fun learning social skills. Then when you’re ready, get a coach to help you with sticking points you are having.
/r/seduction03/03/22 11:11 AM
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Alot of people used MM back in the day and it worked for them. The newer stuff is much better in my view and I was all on board with MM. There still are great things you can learn from it. But, attraction is in the sub-communications and mystery is so reliant on routines and outter game that you miss all those important inner game items. Why not use routines to get started as training wheels, then work on natural game as you get better.
/r/seduction02/03/22 10:31 PM
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The danger is that if you drink and get good results you will need alcohol every time. It's best to not indulge if you don't really need to. Do it for fun in moderation, but don't use it for a purpose like meeting women. Also realize that if you have never really drank you don't know how it will effect you. Should be ok, but some people do have an addictive gene. Don't find out you are one of them and depend on alcohol to meet women.
/r/seduction02/03/22 10:16 PM
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One of the primary fundamentals of game is to have fun. So, that's a great focus. I think some guys, myself included, spend too much time learning theory and how to cold approach when easing up and having fun will go a long way. However, if you want to improve your results, then you will still need to push your comfort zone, learn, and grow. So, just keep in mind if you keep doing what you are doing you will get the same results. But, having fun is key. Next time you find yourself in an interact…
/r/seduction02/03/22 04:35 PM
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Looks most likely had little or nothing to do with it. Women get attracted to guys who stand out from the rest and convey alpha like behaviors. So, saying that line could have conveyed those things. In general, you can practice saying things like this and see if you can recover form it. Tone it down if you can't. Turn it up if you can. If it backfires, just say "I was just kidding" and change the subject. In other words, just calibrate. Thing to remember is that every girl or group of girls may …
/r/seduction01/03/22 04:18 PM
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I wouldn’t think about it like this. Everyone learns at their own pace and will have different starting points. The important things are that you are challenging what’s comfortable, learning and improving over time, and enjoying the process. Just make sure you are making progress. Take the numbers you posted, and decide what you think is an improvement. Work on that. Keep making progress at getting better.
/r/seduction28/02/22 09:27 AM
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To me its about working on social skills, learning game and having fun while doing it. They all work together. It's not like you have to do one or the other. Good game is having fun while socializing with people. They aren't mutually exclusive.
/r/seduction27/02/22 07:48 PM
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There are people who will never get over the looks thing and that is why they will always be losers. Sorry, but if you're going to use something false like looks as an excuse, you have little chance of winning and getting the girl. Less competition for the rest of us I guess. No guy with good game will blame his lack of success on looks. Attraction is 90% behavior related. Cave women weren't looking across the cave and saying, wow that guy is really good looking, that has high value for me and m…
/r/seduction27/02/22 07:14 PM
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The skill you are looking for is how to improvise conversation based on their reaction to your opener. Basically, clear your mind and say whatever pops into your head to open. It could be a comment on the group, the girl, or whatever. It could be just about anything. I've seen an experienced coach open with "Tomatos...Green Peppers..." It wasn't a good opener, but the coach was demoing you can say anything. The girls started saying other vegetables and then he was in set. The problem for most pe…
/r/seduction27/02/22 01:26 PM
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I think you just need to practice attraction. Learn what you can get away with in terms of boldness and and showing sexual intent and still recover from. Just push it a little more than you are and see if they respond differently to you. Diffuse any tension with "I'm just kidding" if you need to. But, you probably need to push it more to see if you can create more attraction.
/r/seduction27/02/22 01:11 PM
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It’s also an easy way to let these girls use a low tactic to effect you. Unless you think you actually were doing something wrong to make them uncomfortable , why let them get in your head? Your allowing them to effect you. Again, it could have been a friend who didn’t want her friend to hookup with someone. Best way to get rid of him is to tell the bouncers your harassing them. Is that something you should be getting in your head about? I say no. Even if they did feel uncomfortable, if you did …
/r/seduction26/02/22 10:30 AM
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Most likely some girl, maybe one you don’t even know, they lied to the bouncer and said you were following them and making them uncomfortable. Girls will sometimes do the lowest things to get their way, so I wouldn’t worry about it. Whoever the girl was that complained, she probably had some issue with the other girls and was trying to cock block. I wouldn’t put it past a girl to do this to get her way. It was most likely nothing to do with you, more about the other girls. Who cares if they were…
/r/seduction26/02/22 10:14 AM
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There are 2 schools of thought regarding approaching groups: Open the group and befriend them. Then hit on the girl after the group has accepted you. This is old school mystery method. Open the girl, but quickly acknowledge the friends. Spend as little time as possible interacting with the friends (if you're really trying to make it happen with the girl), but introduce yourself. Then quickly refer back to the girl. Your fundamentals probably need to be on point so you don't get blown out by the …
/r/seduction25/02/22 09:13 PM
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For alot of girls that is an auto responder. It probably means your approach can be better. It could also mean they have a boyfriend. You have to read the situation and decide whether to walk away or not, but if you stay, just ignore the boyfriend comment and keep talking. The first few mins should be you talking 90% of the time. Just don't keep plowing if she doesn't want you there. Move on if its time to. Just know, many girls will say this as an auto response, so I wouldn't let it deter you t…
/r/seduction24/02/22 08:30 PM
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Well, it looks like this is the only prospect that checks all the boxes, so I'd say try to make it happen. Just realize she may never become what you want her to be. It sounds like she is calling the shots and you may want to reverse that. Take the lead. But, I would just have some fun with it, but don't set expectations too high. It's just one girl. With text game you can try leading, playfully teasing, initiating some of the texts. If you give her lots of attention for every text she sends, sh…
/r/seduction24/02/22 07:47 PM
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Just be ready to improve your game. It may just work ok for you, and if the numbers game works for you, then cool. No problem. But odds are you will have to practice and work on it for a while. It's fun, so no worries. It's an investment in yourself. But, it doesn't work out for everyone. I think a big reason why is guys don't adapt the right mindsets and don't improve over time. For instance, some guys get lost in self judgement after any approach that didn't seem to go well, or a night where t…
/r/seduction24/02/22 07:20 PM
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One tactic you can try is to move her 2-4 steps away from her friends. Just a little subtle move. Then when the time is right, do it again. She will get used to the compliance. Then after that, just lead her to wherever you want in the venue. If your non verbals are on point, there is a good chance she will let you lead. Tell the friends you will be back in a few mins if it's needed. Otherwise, don't. Just move her.
/r/seduction24/02/22 05:54 PM
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It's better than what most guys are doing. But, I'd think the escalation to a number close was too fast as nothing has really been established yet. Very little attraction and probably no comfort. Your vibe is what she will be attracted to anyway, so the words are mostly irrelevant. But, if a structure helps, I'd say use it. Just be sure you know the fundamentals (establish man to woman frame, laser eye contact, 100% intent, fully expecting a positive response, etc...).
/r/seduction24/02/22 05:30 PM
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Sounds like you spent time in comfort getting to know her, but conveyed too much of that and got friend zoned. There is a balance you can use between nice comfort vibes and that of a sexual man who sees her as a potential sex partner, and isn't afraid to show it. I would guess you need to push it more, lead more, be bolder, get her in reaction to you, use your eyes, etc... You don't want to just be a nice guy. It's a balance between that and the sex worthy guy who makes the interaction man to wo…
/r/seduction22/02/22 07:34 PM
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Models is ok. Decent book for what it is. But, it's overrated in this sub in my view. If it clicks with people, awesome. As I said, its a decent book. But, it's not the be all end all answer. The author isn't an expert. I think guys like it because it's more authentic then most game advice that comes from coaches and others who are going out and working on their game. But, its been a while since I read it, so I shouldn't criticize too much.
/r/seduction18/02/22 05:33 PM
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First approach: Me: “Excuse me, I’m not from around here do you know where X is?” Her: gave directions Me: “you have nice earrings” or something along that line. “What was your name, I’m X” “nice to meet you” bla bla bla … Me: “we should go get coffee sometime, can I grab your number? Most guys use this to first start approaching, but keep in mind asking for directions isn't building any skill. It's getting you into the conversation, but you already can ask anyone for directions. You want to str…
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:45 PM
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The way I look at it, is game is about learning new social skills. Finding out your communication style by learning from socializing. So, when you said you didn't have success in clubs, I'd be thinking, how can I get past this sticking point? Is there a communication style I can use to break into a conversation despite those circumstances? Then go out, try out some new things, see what happens. Learn something along the way. Before it can become something that "you are", there are social skills …
/r/seduction16/02/22 05:07 PM
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Social skills and a little courage is what fixes this for you, but your attitude makes it impossible to go that route. You sound like you have completely given up with your own rationalized views as to why. Look, no one else will be effected by this. I'd say if you really feel this way, then fine. Give up on women. You are young and chances are you will come around when you grow up a little. You don't have to be chasing women your whole life. Focus on other things right now, and as you age you w…
/r/seduction14/02/22 04:13 PM
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You will probably find wings if you do daygame in the city. There are quite a few guys that practice in Chicago. You are bound to see them out. Also, the mask mandates will be lifted in 2 weeks, so that should help things too. I can't wait for that. I'm also in the suburbs and will be going to the city in the summer. In the meantime I'm practicing in the bars out here in the burbs. I'm quite a bit older than you, so you probably want to find a wing closer to your age. Plus, I'm not active enough…
/r/seduction14/02/22 04:02 PM
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