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100% of women are already un-marriageable, because of feminism. Marriage died when no-fault divorce became a thing. Now, feminism is making women even un-fuckable, by allowing women to escape any and all responsibility for their lack of desirability. This is quite the accomplishment, given how strong the male thirst is.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre20/07/21 03:54 AM
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I think the mistake a lot of us make after discovering women are lying cheating manipulators without morals, is thinking that that is the end. Next step is to realize that it was your expectations that were the problem. And now you can accept them for who they are - she's never yours, it's just your turn.
/r/MGTOW217/07/21 09:26 AM
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I've given up women, I ain't giving up coffee. Just kidding. What worked for me was just listening to my body. Instead of using caffeine and alcohol to make the pain go away, I consume just to enjoy.
/r/MGTOW217/07/21 07:47 AM
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Oh fuck, breaking news: most men are one blowjob away from the plantation. It's almost as if this is so accepted that there's a whole phrase for it. Op is absolutely disappointed that men here don't genuinely hate women, and that if the family courts weren't so fucked up, these men would, you know, actually get married and have a family.
/r/MGTOW215/07/21 05:49 AM
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How do you respond to that? Are you willing to pay for it?
/r/MGTOW214/07/21 09:25 AM
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I am unable to reconcile anecdotes like this with the fact that the divorce rate in India is less than 10%. I'm astounded by the fact that both of those could be true. Perhaps in India, it really is the case, that one just married the wrong person (seeing as how there is a >90% chance of finding the "right" person)
/r/MGTOW213/07/21 04:07 PM
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This is the internet. Even some of the best free-to-join forums I've participated in have a signal to noise ratio of only 10% How do I find positivity and nonchalance here? Does it even exist still? If you're willing to sift through the garbage, you'll find it. If you're not finding what you want here, feel free to leave. All of your "I want ..." just make you sound like the typical woman.
/r/MGTOW213/07/21 06:53 AM
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It hurts when I have to pay for something that 95% of people get for free. A significant number of men paid half of everything they owned, for some cuddling. I'm sorry that relationships are challenging for you, but you're causing yourself more pain than necessary by assuming others get it for free. Affection is not unconditional. They always make you pay, one way or another (Briffault's Law).
/r/MGTOW210/07/21 05:52 AM
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Once you learn to stop caring about the opinions of irrelevant people, you realize there is no spoon "single male stigma".
/r/MGTOW209/07/21 11:23 PM
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None. The way I see it, the choice is not between a good alternative and bad ones. It's a choice between a bad alternative and worse ones.
/r/MGTOW209/07/21 04:21 PM
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Women live in their own fantasy. There's gonna be a lot of surprised Pikachu face in the coming years.
/r/MGTOW209/07/21 02:14 AM
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Feminist is requesting men to speak up looking for attention.
/r/MGTOW208/07/21 01:16 PM
4

Getting out of the country.
/r/MGTOW208/07/21 04:28 AM
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The future is uncertain. Let's assume that going mgtow will financially backfire. The question is: what's the alternative? There are no "solutions" in life, only tradeoffs. My hope is that mgtow, on account of being free of the plantation, will be able to spot the trends and manage to escape from whatever the gynocentric system tries to threaten them with.
/r/MGTOW208/07/21 04:21 AM
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What do you guys thing of women complaining about mgtow and redpill community? I ignore it. Children listen to consequences, not words.
/r/MGTOW207/07/21 01:02 PM
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I can appreciate that you have thought this through on your own, and reached the conclusion that mgtow is not for you. I wish the same for all here, regardless of what conclusion they reach.
/r/MGTOW207/07/21 12:59 PM
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Now I understand what they mean by "done with games, looking for something serious". They're done with torturing other people (for fun, now it's time to play serious game for money aka marriage).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/07/21 12:15 PM
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The fact that even our fellow man won't pause for five minutes and empathize with a man's pain, and instead use the same condescending tone and shaming tactics as feminists, makes me sad :(
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 02:05 PM
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How I came to grips with the thought of dying alone: "If I don't want to die alone, what are my options? ... ... ... nah, I'd rather die alone".
/r/MGTOW202/07/21 07:34 AM
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Here's what I observe these days. Women are surrounded by so many simps, that having the balls to say No will set you apart by itself. Yes, attractive dudes will be more successful. No, you may not pull the 8, 9 and 10. But women are random enough that some will be attracted. Just gotta make sure she doesn't see you as a beta.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 03:54 AM
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Women's love is pragmatic, not sacrificial. You're falling into the trap of expecting men and women to be the same. Try to understand it, instead of crying that a dog can't talk, like you were told in childhood.
/r/MGTOW222/06/21 03:47 AM
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Then why are post wall women complaining about not getting attention from attractive men? They're literally being left alone. This constant bitching about how bad they have it in modern society is just background noise to me now.
/r/MGTOW231/05/21 10:08 AM
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I don't care if someone is MGTOW or not, if they have insightful opinions.
/r/MGTOW229/05/21 11:13 AM
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Feminism on the whole has turned out to be a very effective eugenics program. I mean, look at us. Some if not most of us have decided not to have kids. And the beauty of it is, we're okay with it.
/r/MGTOW229/05/21 02:51 AM
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Yeah, and there's this whole group of people who have decided never to inflict the suffering of marriage on a woman. And yet for some reason this group is viciously attacked by the same people that apparently are harmed by marriage. It's a goddamn Scooby-Doo mystery.
/r/MGTOW229/05/21 02:45 AM
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With any new technology, the first thing we do is to (attempt to) use it to exert power over others. I don't think technology is the answer. What I conclude from the progression over the last century is that technology just enabled us to fallback on to our baser instincts. I think spirituality is the answer. Religion was great for getting people to rise above their animal instincts, but unfortunately it accomplished that by lying to people, something that became very obvious with scientific prog…
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 04:19 PM
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I used to think if there's nothing to live for and no purpose, then why bother living at all. Then one day, I realized that if there's nothing to live for and no purpose, I might as well do whatever the fuck I want.
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 06:31 AM
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Sure, I've seen women put on a display of femininity. I've also seen the same woman go apeshit later in the relationship because she didn't get her way. What's your point?
/r/MGTOW227/05/21 01:00 AM
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If ever there was an indication that the Lord has forsaken us, it's the fact that he's sponsoring a fucking Single Christian Mothers Ministry (????) in His local branches.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/05/21 05:49 PM
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Best wishes, mate. At least you know what you're getting into, unlike most men.
/r/MGTOW226/05/21 01:37 PM
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What part of domestic violence do you guys attribute to women keeping on fucking ranting and nagging ... None. Your only options are to stay calm and/or to walk away. I used to try to turn the tables on them and bring up shit from the past whenever they start nagging, until I realized how shockingly physically violent women can become when they lose it. No, until society and law recognizes how violent women can be, just walk away.
/r/MGTOW226/05/21 07:20 AM
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Dude seems pretty happy to do it, to be honest. Most of the times, the wife just makes a unilateral decision and the husband is expected to suck it up. This doesn't look like one of those cases.
/r/MGTOW226/05/21 05:01 AM
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The best economic policy is to incentivize the wrong people to do the right thing. Milton Friedman It's all about self interest. It's human nature. That's why I scoff when people try to dictate what other people should do in the name of "compassion".
/r/MGTOW226/05/21 04:39 AM
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I wasn't strong enough to not puke.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/05/21 07:01 PM
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I agree. I think of the ego as a kind of protective parent. It tries to help you survive, but it's stuck in the caveman era. knock you down in the social hierarchy does matter to a degree for your survival Not today it doesn't. If you want to be pedantic, yes maybe your survival chance reduces by 0.000001% but an existential crisis is unwarranted.
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 03:11 PM
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Because they're not the ones making all the laws.
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 01:55 PM
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And then society is like surprised pikachu face that marriage rates are plummeting.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/05/21 01:47 PM
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Just self awareness and self observation. Step 1 is to be able to catch yourself when you're having an emotional reaction about shit that doesn't matter (prime example is rejection).
/r/MGTOW225/05/21 07:02 AM
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So they do realize that it's not the PhD, six figure salary or being "fun" that's going to keep him around.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/21 01:59 PM
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Looking for someone to nag. Not even sex on the table Future FDS kween right here.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/05/21 12:57 PM
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No, you just have to make sure that the other person is completely okay with it. After all, you're dealing with a child who might throw a tantrum if she feels cheated, even if it was all in her head.
/r/MGTOW223/05/21 10:47 AM
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These days every relationship is an open relationship. Most of the time, the participants just don't know it.
/r/MGTOW223/05/21 08:42 AM
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You can't control how you feel, only whether to act on it. Desire for companionship is perfectly reasonable. But I believe it can be satisfied with friendships and family. As you yourself have discovered, romantic relationships are a net negative.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 06:52 AM
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I believe there are monasteries literally catering to this sort of thing, a want for total isolation, an austere life with a orderly schedule placed upon you. There was a post some time ago from a guy who went to live in the monastery. Quite interesting.
/r/MGTOW222/05/21 12:28 AM
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Someone tell FDS that some of the best chess sequences mercilessly sacrificed the queen.
/r/PussyPassDenied21/05/21 06:28 PM
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The progressives are going to take away your authority over your children, so you don't get a say in what they do, including something as serious as transitioning. But you still have to pay and take care of them. I wish anyone attempting to raise children in this society, all the best.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 06:24 PM
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I know a couple childfree women. They're net tax payers. I approve.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 09:19 AM
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There is no "right" or "wrong" decision. There are only tradeoffs and consequences. Just inform yourself about the consequences for whatever you decide and the risks of desirable versus undesirable consequences.
/r/MGTOW221/05/21 09:14 AM
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if you are the second type you will need to come to term with women and family in your life, its just your nature Makes sense. But I don't think women and family are substitutes for friends. If you don't have a social group, you'll just end up inflicting pain on yourself anyway, just in the form of marriage instead of solitude. The way I look at it, you have to keep cultivating friendships anyway. Might as well not bother wasting energy in romantic relationships.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 03:09 PM
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This might just be semantics but I think of a brotherhood in terms of loyalty - "We got your back, bro". However, mgtow differs in a fundamental way where the message is - "nobody's got your back, bro. Never put anybody's needs above yours". I think of mgtow as essentially encouraging self reliance, rather than fostering bonds.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 07:18 AM
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Romantic attraction to women is obviously nigh-on impossible, so are MGTOW forced to a life of loneliness? There's quite a lot of possibilities in the spectrum between romantic relationships and solitude. Personally, I can't see myself living without my friends and family. Romantic relationships totally optional though.
/r/MGTOW219/05/21 04:49 AM
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It's a coagulation of bottom of the barrel femcels. I was mildly interested in their opinions before realizing that 99% of women I know irl and online are not that pathetic and bitter. The correct response is to ignore them.
/r/MensRights18/05/21 02:49 PM
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"Mother: the pretty one who makes the sandwiches" Imagine the screeching.
/r/MGTOW217/05/21 02:24 AM
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Just bc I have children does not mean my legs stay open like a convenient store. No, it's more like a courier service. Men just dump their stuff, and she takes care of the delivery.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/05/21 03:22 PM
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Nope. I see no evidence of a man who unashamedly spins plates, and doesn't give a fuck about what people say.
/r/MGTOW216/05/21 02:59 PM
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Landwhale gets Chad who doesn't care about her double chin Today this would probably sell more than Grey's Anatomy or whatever that bestselling book was.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/05/21 10:37 AM
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Financially successful men are prime targets for (both scrupulous and unscrupulous) women. Unless they've been red pilled, men usually don't know how to respond properly to a woman's feminine guile, which immediately lets the woman get the upper hand, and guide him towards slaughter marriage. I assume this would be pretty obvious to men who were red pilled after they achieved financial success.
/r/MGTOW216/05/21 09:37 AM
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Women like this want a broken man they can try to fix. So they can play the game over and over again My ex was abusive
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/05/21 10:34 AM
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Beautiful analogy. Beats having to explain the concept of opportunity cost to a woman.
/r/MGTOW215/05/21 02:53 AM
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How would it be a better place? You could've atleast shared your opinion. What a low effort post.
/r/MGTOW214/05/21 01:23 AM
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Yes. And divorce her immediately. If a woman makes more than you, you'll never hear the end of it. That fact will be held over your head like a Sword of Damocles.
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 04:40 PM
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I'd like to add another perspective, which would explain why women hate subs like men's rights and mgtow which don't really have a lot to do with seducing women. Over the last hundred years, society has brainwashed women into the delusion that they can do whatever they want and there will be no consequences. For a large chunk of that time, this was indeed true due to the combination of feminism and the "women are wonderful" effect. They obtained power in society by claiming to want to be treated…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre13/05/21 02:33 PM
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The only guys that hit on me were really not my type at all. The only ones that I gave the time of day to, were after skinny younger girls. The modern post wall woman's paradox, and why they'll never be happy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/05/21 10:17 AM
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Trust and respect are earned. A successful relationship is just the byproduct. I cannot trust someone who will face no consequences for breaking that trust.
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 07:50 AM
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what do you guys do to fulfill your sexual needs? Right hand and fantasy land
/r/MGTOW213/05/21 06:00 AM
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Heisenberg's uncertainty prjnciple: The more precisely a man knows exactly what he wants from his woman, the more unpredictable a post wall woman's future becomes.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/05/21 02:49 PM
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That last post tho. I can almost see the smoke coming out of the ears of post wall hags, that young women are smarting up and totally fucking up their dual mating strategy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/05/21 02:27 PM
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Feminism's misandry is enshrined in law.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 03:57 PM
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You can be as mild as Jordan Peterson if you want. They'll still call you a nazi.
/r/MensRights11/05/21 02:31 AM
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If you're sick of manosphere / mgtow content, I think that's a fantastic indicator of your progress as a red pilled individual. Remember that men are being red pilled at an unprecedented rate, so most of the content is still valuable for them. Maybe you've reached acceptance that things are the way they are, and moved on, by asking yourself So, where do we go from here? Wherever YOU want. You could stick around the communities and offer advice and opinions to others, or you can just leave it all…
/r/MGTOW211/05/21 02:21 AM
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This is why I don't believe mgtow will actually "change" anything. Men (bottom 90%) have two choices today - be invisible, or become a commodity to be used.
/r/MGTOW210/05/21 02:36 PM
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Not even going to bother arguing the "not a real feminist" fallacy. Edit: Helpfully, this guy has already done it https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/n8xhkh/what_made_you_feel_that_feminism_isnt_equality/gxl0npe?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
/r/MensRights10/05/21 07:30 AM
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When I pointed out inequality in areas where feminism had achieved equal representation and then overrepresentation, the Feminist answered: "Men have had the advantage for so long, it's our turn now". When I pointed out the disproportionate funding for breast cancer versus prostate cancer, the Feminist replied: "That's not a women's issue, you people need to do a better job of raising awareness". When I protested that the "wage gap" was a result of women's choices, she disagreed and insisted it …
/r/MensRights10/05/21 07:14 AM
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This is an open forum. What did you expect. Having said that, comments from women are generally downvoted to oblivion, so pretty easy to ignore.
/r/MGTOW210/05/21 03:04 AM
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I was considering making videos about some of the awesome posts and comments on this forum, about the philosophical and metaphysical aspects of mgtow, with my opinion about why I thought they were awesome. But I'm struggling to find any time for my existing Twitch channel, so decided against taking on an additional project.
/r/MGTOW209/05/21 04:59 PM
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I used to think women who got fuckzoned would finally empathize with how men feel about being friendzoned. But the fact is they immediateky switch to "men are trash" mode. No sympathy.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/05/21 04:33 PM
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The fact that women weren't allowed to choose their mate themselves throughout most of recorded history, gives a pretty good indication that ancestors knew perfectly well about hypergamy. Now that religion and culture is being superceded by "science", we are rediscovering all this ancient wisdom through science now.
/r/MGTOW209/05/21 08:14 AM
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When I saw India ... also does not give women any rights. I realized the whole post was bullshit.
/r/MGTOW208/05/21 11:23 AM
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Men have always been slaves to pussy. One dude built a fucking monument for his woman. Another abdicated his fucking throne. Today, women have unshackled men and told them your services no longer necessary please leave. Men have no clue what to do, so they're desperately running around doing the only thing they know - find someone who is willing to chain them.
/r/MGTOW208/05/21 04:29 AM
2

I agree. In my personal opinion, being a betabux is the same as paying for sex; she's not attracted in either case. Might as well go for the cheaper option, and pay for only what you want, instead of all the extra baggage.
/r/MGTOW208/05/21 12:46 AM
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Fuck, I'm convinced. When all is said and done, what use is all this money? I refuse to be imprisoned by my own money. Happiness has to come first dammit. I'ma go ahead and buy that PS5.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 02:37 PM
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How can I completely erase my want for female validation ? Recognize it as an addiction, and deal with it accordingly.
/r/MGTOW207/05/21 05:00 AM
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You can't control what people say (unless you're a mod, but I'm trying to make a philosophical statement here) But, you can choose to not give a shit about it.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 02:10 PM
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Seems like a standard case of Oneitis. Once I realized why I was obsessed (PUA was the shit back then), never fallen into the trap again.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 02:03 PM
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Scientifically, love is just a concoction of chemicals in your brain. There is ample evidence to suggest the existence of "love" by examining brain chemistry. But love seems to mean different things to different people, so perhaps it's more worthwhile to explore as a philosophical concept rather than a scientific one.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 06:07 AM
3

Men don't redpill men, women redpill men.
/r/MGTOW206/05/21 01:43 AM
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Yup, disagreeing with snowflakes makes me an incel.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 11:23 AM
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Standing up for yourself doesn't mean someone has to back down. People like you confuse being assertive with being aggressive. Please learn the difference. It's perhaps the single change that can literally turn your life around.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 09:37 AM
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The real question is: who is this supreme authority everybody thinks gets to define what mgtow is and isn't.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 03:14 AM
2

Literally don't care if someone is MGTOW or not, as long as they have interesting opinions to share.
/r/MGTOW205/05/21 03:10 AM
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You don't know what you want. After dating a single mother, men realize exactly what they DON'T want.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/05/21 02:00 PM
3

Nobody's saying you can't win the lottery.
/r/MGTOW204/05/21 10:59 AM
1

What exactly does this "middle ground" look like to you? Because the MRM has been failing for more than half a century to "make the case" that we are in the same boat.
/r/MGTOW204/05/21 03:16 AM
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How can you not hate what hates you with a passion? By realizing that hate is what is stopping you from finding peace, and enjoying all the other aspects of life. But as I said before, easy to put into an abstract sentence, much more difficult to put into practice.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 02:11 PM
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Trends go up and down. That's why they're called trends. At some point there's going to be a correction. Mainstream content is already starting to become alarmed at falling birth rates. I remember hearing about a cringe article begging men to fuck feminists. Ima just sit back and enjoy the shitshow.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 02:00 PM
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Now, I know this subreddit and philosophy more broadly encourages pacifism and stoicism, which is pretty much the opposite to what Pirasitel has, but let's get in the mood for a second. No, let's not. Despite what people might think, this forum desperately tries to make men understand that there is another option available, instead of hate - indifference. Easier said than done, I'm afraid.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 07:48 AM
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If you really respect them, you'll leave them alone.
/r/MGTOW203/05/21 03:10 AM
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I'll have an answer once they've taken away your guns.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 08:33 PM
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This is going to sound like sarcasm, but I'm serious ... Just force yourself to get off your ass, and just clean your room. That's all. See where it goes from there.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 07:20 PM
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I wish I had realized that (most) people don't want to hear the truth.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 04:40 PM
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Ask them if they'll foot the bill incase of divorce.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 03:15 PM
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Not gonna lie, I got to bang a couple of chicks through mutual female "friends". Just got to know how to handle them. And understand that there's a difference between male and female friends.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 02:49 PM
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The post summarizes the modern woman accurately: "I don't know or care what you want. I will tell you what you want and what you should do. And you will LIKE it."
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/05/21 10:29 AM
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Strawman.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 08:44 AM
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If you're conflicted, I suggest you keep putting yourself out there. Obviously there has not been enough pain felt. The only thing worse than making the wrong decision is not making a decision at all.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:07 AM
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Yes. It is no secret that most mgtow are one blowjob away from the plantation. Men are desperate for affection, companionship and family. It's because women are so openly manipulative or downright hostile to men they're not sexually attracted to, that these men see no choice but to quit the dating scene.
/r/MGTOW202/05/21 06:04 AM
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Sure, there are many such statements hidden within classic texts. But it assumes that the only way a man is concurrently intimate with multiple women is by subterfuge. If you're a desirable man, you can be intimate with multiple women - spin plates - without needing to resort to secrecy. This is the consequence of the sexual revolution, which normalized casual sex, friends with benefits etc. Having said that, there will always be drama where women are involved. You just need to know how to handl…
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 05:42 PM
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No. If there's one thing I've learnt from feminism is the dangers of thinking you can have your cake and eat it too. I haven't dug into the research, but I do believe testosterone plays an integral part in making men, men. You'll never know what you had until you no longer have it. The way I look at it, it's a constant struggle with your sex drive, but which gets better with practice. We are fortunate to live in a time where there are plenty of options available to express it without having to t…
/r/MGTOW201/05/21 07:24 AM
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I understand your point, but respectfully disagree. I am not suggesting that men have it objectively easier. I'm just trying to share my opinion that, men wouldn't want to be women if they knew the psychological and physiological differences of being a woman. Being a man is awesome.
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 02:08 PM
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That's not a woman-only issue. You are quite right. Thank you for pointing it out. It just happens that females are more inclined to it due to their social and biological circumstances This was my main point. Men project their own psychology into women, not realizing that if they were a woman, they'd have the psychology of a woman. And it comes bundled with an assumption of lack of agency. At the end of the day, in my opinion it boils down to individual opinion: would you rather be a woman (assu…
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 01:25 PM
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You're right, they do have a choice. But they're also a hive mind. How much do you want to bet that if you were a woman today, you'd be making the same choices.
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 12:49 PM
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if I gave a shit about buying internet points with real money. 💎 You, sir, deserve respect for seeing the big picture.
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 09:49 AM
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Their definitely are single individuals out here in **** that are like this. Funny, accomplished, or working on becoming accomplished. But where? With whoever they want, because they know they have the pick of the litter, and sure as hell don't have to scrape the bottom of the barrel looking for post-wall divorced women in their forties.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/04/21 06:12 AM
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Unpopular opinion: Being a man is life on easy mode. Imagine being a total slave to your emotions. You can screech all you want about oppression from outside, but the one that is taking away your freedom is your own body. Imagine never being happy, no matter how much you're given. Imagine never being able to come to the realization that happiness is within. Imagine having a perpetual victim mentality and always thinking of yourself as inferior. Imagine believing you have no agency, thinking that…
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 05:06 AM
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I think it's going to be much worse than hyperinflation. Remember what happened the last time when a country with a powerful military faced an existential debt crisis (hint: Weimar Republic).
/r/MGTOW230/04/21 02:46 AM
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Has a kid, doesn't have a car. How much do you want to bet the first thing she asks of any poor sop who matches with her is "what car do you drive?"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/04/21 04:18 AM
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No, that's just FDS women.
/r/MGTOW229/04/21 12:10 AM
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No, it's not conscious behaviour. Which is why literally the very first red pill is: watch what they do, not what they say.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 07:37 PM
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If you assumed I clubbed you into the "stupid people" category, that's on you. I'm saying when 87% of the population (citation needed) will happily sign away their freedom for more free shit, there's fuckall you can do about it. Enjoy the decline or prepare to get out before shit hits the fan. The so-called elites are more than happy to be handed more power by people who don't understand basic economics.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 06:35 PM
1

People have agency. Whatever situation we're in, is caused by entitled dipshits (both in the present and in the past) demanding more and more free shit and don't you dare raise MY taxes. Don't blame smart people for taking advantage of stupid people. Good times create weak men. Enjoy the times while it lasts, because sooner or later the piper is going to demand to be paid.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 05:43 PM
16

Mad respect to those guys, escalating quickly. It's not just women who "don't want to waste my time". Just goes to show how women are doing a better job of redpilling men than the "hate group" that is TRP ever could.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/04/21 01:31 PM
1

People change. Whether it is intentional or not. If you think you're standing still, you're moving backwards because the arrow of time is unidirectional. Because of this, I don't really believe in the concept of "who you are". Rather it's more like "who you are right now".
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 12:45 PM
24

we hope you might meet someone or get over it so we don't have to lose you And when he does find someone, they do everything in their power to break them up. Can't sacrifice cash flow just to let some man find happiness, now can we.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/04/21 08:27 AM
4

Might be signs of clinical depression. Seek professional help.
/r/MGTOW228/04/21 02:14 AM
3

Blessed to have friends and family that genuinely care about me.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 07:23 PM
0

Because the moment a woman shows up, all the men will stab each other in the back.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 07:11 PM
8

If some group was spreading awareness about the scam I was profiting from, I'd want them shut down too.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 02:54 PM
4

Thank you for supporting men's rights, by dictating exactly how they should and should not behave. You are totally not like the feminists.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 10:30 AM
1

This is what happens after she's pumped and dumped one too many times. (In The Joker's voice) It's not about the money getting matches... it's about sending a message.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 08:52 AM
166

Feminist! Leftist! The "A few extra pounds" was redundant.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/04/21 04:37 AM
4

I'm still waiting for the "why we should care" part.
/r/MGTOW227/04/21 02:51 AM
1

I had already made this life choice based on my own experience and what I observed, over a decade ago. I thought I was the only sane one until a couple of years ago when I discovered a bunch of dudes who'd made the same decision, and slapped an arbitrary label on it. After getting into the world of mgtow. I feel this rush in me is starting to go away Having the freedom to avoid the rat race is definitely an advantage, but beware of taking things too easy. It could easily lead to nihilism, especi…
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 06:11 PM
6

Personally, I don't get why people bother explaining to women even when they post here looking for attention. But then I remember they're probably in the Bargaining phase, hoping that there's a chance that the situation might improve. But hey atleast it's not redpill rage so I guess that's progress.
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 05:54 PM
2

How do you feel about feminism? Feminism is a female supremacy movement. How does meninsim differ from feminism? Please share the names of some prominent "meninists" who have instituted laws to specifically benefit men.
/r/MensRights26/04/21 09:57 AM
1

You can't control how you feel, only what you do about it. Recognizing that you feel this way, and admitting the harsh truth to yourself is a great first step.
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 08:34 AM
1

Counter-claim: "If you need to make your civil partnership legally binding (aka marriage), it means you don't 100% trust your partner" Even though there are tangible benefits of marriage (not that they outweigh the costs), the women seem to have no answer for this. One was speechless, another used a weak argument - tax benefits - and the third said "because it's a proof of commitment to each other", thus immediately shooting herself in the foot. Women have no idea how marriage benefits men (apar…
/r/MGTOW226/04/21 08:04 AM
2

I've realised r/MR are being treated similiar to the way the first and second wave og feminsm was treated back in the day, except the violence is over the internet and not physical (mostly) Can you point me towards some resources about how feminism was treated by regular society. I think if your analogy applies it would be enlightening. I was under the impression that the violence was from the activists' side, not towards them.
/r/MensRights25/04/21 07:16 PM
1

"Top 20%" is a term loosely used to represent the small minority of men that women are sexually attracted to. Statistically, it's the men that have a six figure income, six ft height etc etc. But in my experience I've found it to be a lot more variable. Whether a girl is attracted to you or not also depends on factors outside your control (sometimes she's just horny). The only way I've found to determine, is to ask her out, chat her up etc (not recommended today).
/r/MGTOW225/04/21 11:15 AM
37

It seems like a lot of us are defeated and should just date each other. That's a fantastic idea. Atleast then they'll realize why nobody wants to put up with them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/04/21 06:23 AM
2

Best time to be single, whether you're a man or a woman. Relationships seem to be lose-lose these days.
/r/MGTOW225/04/21 06:16 AM
33

The KKK actually believed in their own superiority. Feminism is just using the oppression narrative as a cover to push for female supremacy. If they actually believed they were oppressed, they wouldn't try to shut down the MRM so that nobody hears the message that men can be victims too (and women perpetrators). You cannot reason with someone to do something that goes against their self interest.
/r/MensRights24/04/21 06:38 PM
2

Feminism already supports MGTOW. Marriage is a patriarchal institution designed to oppress women. MGTOW vow to never inflict such suffering on women.
/r/MGTOW224/04/21 05:38 PM
1

because this guy was a shithead, the girl's family had to eat a cost they simply cant afford (not over there they cant) Oh no, the poor maiden had no choice in the matter because it's not as if she was a fully functional adult human being who could say no. And thus it is 100% the man's fault. Fucking retard. If this is the prevailing attitude there, Indian men deserve female tyranny.
/r/MGTOW224/04/21 12:24 PM
1

I cannot say exactly why purpose is so difficult to latch onto these days, but I believe it stems primarily from the destruction of the nuclear family There is no doubt in my mind that the destruction of the nuclear family is the cause of a whole host of societal issues. But what I've been wondering for quite some time now, is what precipitated the destruction of the nuclear family in the first place. 🤔
/r/MGTOW224/04/21 08:48 AM
7

Anyone else struggle with "how to act" So she puts on an act until they "fall in love", then reveals herself as a Lamia. What a stupid woman. Didn't her mother teach her to wait until marriage?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/04/21 01:58 PM
320

This is exactly why suggesting a coffee date first date is perfect for filtering out entitled kweens.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/04/21 04:34 PM
6

Men earning more than women: oppressive patriarchy Women earning more then men: Men lazy pieces of shit FeMiNiSm iS aBoUt eQuALiTy
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/04/21 02:34 PM
7

Prosperity breeds entitlement. Feminism is just one form of it. Feminists (and the radical left in general) are society's spoilt children.
/r/MensRights20/04/21 05:44 AM
86

Because every woman that turned you down became a single mother No, but the ones that came shamelessly crawling back sure as hell did.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/04/21 01:25 PM
40

That was a beautiful speech. Pay attention, gents. A relationship with a single mother is akin to going to WAR. It's just that you'll be fighting for the other side.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/04/21 03:38 PM
9

"You are not entitled to a relationship just because we had sex". Shoe is on the other foot, ladies. And looks like it's very uncomfortable.
/r/MGTOW231/03/21 11:17 AM
5

In my opinion, trying to suppress the urge itself might cause problems; it's a primal instinct. You can't control how you feel, only what you do about it. Personally, I make sure it's my big head doing the thinking. Which means thinking about all the potential consequences. Mostly I just deal with it by rubbing one out (yeah I don't buy the nofap / semen retention thing).
/r/MGTOW231/03/21 03:37 AM
2

I've thought about this a lot, and I find there is no reason for a man to commit to lifelong monogamy, unless he wishes to father children (in which case it is still a massive risk, but it's not like there are viable alternatives).
/r/MGTOW225/03/21 11:55 PM
5

The algorithms have figured out what gets you emotionally invested, and are milking you. It's much easier to get a negative reaction like anger than a positive reaction like inspiration (one of the reasons I hold Jordan Peterson in high regard). I suggest you create a new account and try to get into a positive feedback loop.
/r/MGTOW220/03/21 09:28 AM
5

Fuck other chicks. Worked for me.
/r/MGTOW220/03/21 04:04 AM
7

As a man, the only power we have in a relationship is to (threaten to) walk away. Marriage takes away even that. Never get married in the first place. It places the burden of being "the perfect man" on you, at the risk of losing half your shit.
/r/MGTOW220/03/21 03:54 AM
2

Nah, I enjoy watching. It's more interesting than Animal Planet. I just make sure I'm not enlisted to white knight for anyone.
/r/MGTOW218/03/21 06:07 PM
6

No shit, Sherlock. People judge you based on your weight ... and your money ... and how many women you've fucked ... and a thousand other reasons. I'm sure it would blow your mind to realize that people treat someone with a million dollars, much better than someone with just a hundred bucks. What I'm wondering is, how sheltered does someone's existence have to be, to not have life give these hard knocks by the time you get your driver's license. I guess this is the embodiment of "good times crea…
/r/MGTOW218/03/21 02:01 PM
13

Whichever moron told you that "she loves the man unconditionally or for his character" is who deserves your scorn, not women. Take the Red Pill.
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 12:52 PM
2

When your subconscious recognizes that it has managed to somehow survive for four decades, it is much less likely to trigger adrenaline when something happens. Which is why men who crave "excitement" (aka adrenaline junkies) gravitate towards sports like Formula One, or activities like skydiving and ... well I'm out of my deth here.
/r/MGTOW216/03/21 08:12 AM
5

I find these articles entertaining, of post wall feminists attempting to rationalize their biology taking over their feminist indoctrination. But goddamm why can't these people come up with some new shit.
/r/MGTOW215/03/21 01:23 PM
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Let's come up with a "politically correct" term for pumped and dumped, so women don't have to feel ashamed of it (probably feel empowered instead), thus defeating the entire purpose. Sign of the times.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/03/21 11:44 AM
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MGTOW believe that the solution is men utilizing their concept of good masculinity to establish a societal framework of order Where did you get this from? Mgtow is about self preservation, not about creating a "societal framework". Feminism has ensured the collapse of society, by attempting to divorce authority from responsibility. Motow suggest just enjoy the decline, instead of paying child support.
/r/MGTOW214/03/21 12:53 PM
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After years of this shit, it hasn’t helped me Yes, I'm sure an internet form is what is holding you back. Ban me (liberate me) Can leave at any time, but then who will you blame for your problems, eh.
/r/MGTOW214/03/21 10:26 AM
4

In my opinion, TRP and MGTOW are two sides of the same coin. I believe understanding women to be necessary education for every man. I like TFM's Talking Dog parable analogy. Men were told that dogs could talk, that a woman would be his "other half" that would complete him. So men feel betrayed, disappointed and disgusted to find dogs can't talk. A realistic view of women is perhaps an antidote to the chaos of our times. But it will take quite a while and lot of disasters to have our rose tinted …
/r/MGTOW213/03/21 03:15 AM
9

By refusing to see yourself as a perpetual victim. Shit happens. More shit will happen in the future. Learn from the experience and develop a strategy to deal with it - avoid, confront, mitigate, accept.
/r/MGTOW212/03/21 12:48 PM
4

I hired an escort. Fucked her real good. But didn't enjoy any of it because I knew that at the end of the hour I had to, you know, actually pay her. Men are the real victims here.
/r/MGTOW212/03/21 12:28 PM
3

Fair point. But I'd assume anyone who agrees with and/or follows the mgtow philosophy, to already have given the proverbial finger to societal expectations.
/r/MGTOW212/03/21 01:04 AM
2

What exactly is the difference between the two perspectives? I don't think people think being single is dangerous. In modern society, it's perfectly acceptable to be single as long as women and/or feminism are not blamed.
/r/MGTOW211/03/21 11:50 AM
19

Who's asking you to look out for women, unless it's your own misguided sense of chivalry. It's about time we stop treating women as special.
/r/MGTOW211/03/21 11:48 AM
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i think being with someone especially with a woman can really cheer me up and make a big difference in my life. It could be someone on whom I can count on and rely upon when the going gets tough Sounds like you've never been in a relationship. I suggest you date around, experience the "joy" of relationships before deciding what to do with your life.
/r/MGTOW211/03/21 11:45 AM
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That's true. My point is that I don't care if he calls mgtow incels or pathetic weasels or what have you. All that shows is his ignorance on this particular topic. However, that does not deter from the fact that I can still learn from his wisdom. Same with someone like Kevin Samuels. If I discounted everything from men who I disagree with, I'd be a much bigger fool than I am today.
/r/MGTOW210/03/21 03:23 PM
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sassy, sophisticated, solvent They forgot to add sad, solipsistic, stale, salty, self-contradictory, same, savourless, sallow, sagging.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen10/03/21 03:17 PM
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Jordan Peterson is anti mgtow and I value his opinions. I don't give a shit if someone says men are not allowed to have an opinion about women unless they've fucked atleast 75. It's like, oh shit the alpha hath spoken let me obey posthaste. Moral authoritarians are not in short supply these days, and the correct response is to ignore them.
/r/MGTOW210/03/21 01:06 PM
6

To be honest, I recall actually enjoying doing all that shit. In the throes of infatuation, at the beginning of a relationship. Now I just have way too much to lose, women have the power to destroy your life, and have shown they're willing to exercise it indiscriminately.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 09:31 PM
9

A man's sexual desirability is based on his performance, rather than his beauty as is for women. So the equivalent of hitting a wall would be having a six figure income then losing your job. The difference is that this Wall is only applicable to a minority of men. To a woman, most men are not desirable to begin with, so losing that desirability is not even applicable.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 07:11 PM
2

I see myself as whatever comes below Beta, the invisible man who blends into the background in the group so that I can do my own thing instead of living according to others' expectations.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 04:32 PM
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Didn't you get the memo? When women are underrepresented - "we only want equality" Once women start being overrepresented - "men have had the advantage for so long, it's our turn now" Next phase - all the reee-ing when trans women take all their jobs.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 10:04 AM
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Unpopular opinion - looks like you're identifying yourself with the mgtow label, and becoming tribalistic instead of using your conscious judgement. This is exactly the kind of thing that happens to women in gender studies courses. Think back on how you were when you were happy with your friends, and if you are the one that has changed since then, my friend you have allowed yourself to be brainwashed instead of thinking for yourself. Because the last thing mgtow suggests is being intolerable of …
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 05:14 AM
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Women hold power over 80% of men because they have more options. Top 20% of men hold power over women because they have more options. Don't wish that men were less pathetic. Wish that you were better.
/r/MGTOW209/03/21 05:03 AM
3

Looks like you hate yourself. It's okay. First step is to face the harsh truth, especially about yourself. Next step is to learn to love yourself.
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 03:53 PM
2

It's all the things a guy she's not attracted to has to do for her to feign attraction. Now that I think about it, that's basically what OnlyFans is, a simplified version of this.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/03/21 12:12 PM
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I don't think you understand how a patriarchy works. I remember talking to a couple Indian friends eight or so years ago, and asking them why they were so desperate to get married. They said something like "so I can finally get laid". That's when I realized that a patriarchal society forces people to do the "right" thing by controlling their sexuality. That's also when I realized that perhaps the sexual revolution was the best thing to happen for men - easy access to sex without needing to inves…
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 10:54 AM
9

ANIMORPHS!!! Oh shit the nostalgia is hitting me hard right now. Going to read the whole thing again. Didn't bother with Megamorphs or The Andalite Chronicles, though. Do you recommend?
/r/MGTOW208/03/21 06:54 AM
3

Monogamy is dead. Spin plates. Always keep your options open. Anybody who's looking for "stability" is doomed for repeated disappointment, in my opinion.
/r/MGTOW207/03/21 04:20 PM
15

We see this everyday. March 8 is special only for them, this shaming is all year round. Honestly, I'm hoping that it's just going to get to a point where men stop caring anymore. "She called me an incel. Guess I must have had a valid point then".
/r/MGTOW207/03/21 06:30 AM
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Agreed. This is why I believe the core message of mgtow to be: put your self interest first. Because nobody else is going to think about your benefit, only how they benefit. So always ask yourself: what's in it for me?
/r/MGTOW206/03/21 06:46 AM
4

I found inner peace by deciding what was really important for me and just not caring about unimportant shit in my life. What's that saying, "God give me strength to accept the things I cannot change ..." or something like that. I found happiness in gratitude. I realized that I would always focus on how things could be better in my life, but then also realized that things could be much much worse. And they aren't.
/r/MGTOW206/03/21 05:22 AM
3

Feminists, in their female solipsistic fashion, think men are just damaged women. Why bother actually understanding men, when you can just make laws to punish men for acting like men, instead of acting like women.
/r/MGTOW205/03/21 03:46 PM
1

Simps are the natural consequence of male abundance and female choice. Unfortunately, both are products of prosperity. Best to enjoy it while we still can.
/r/MGTOW205/03/21 02:55 PM
2

My only (major) financial goal was to have my own house. I thought it would take me 20 years to fully pay it off. To pay off the debt, I decided to live frugally, and found contentment in a simple life. I paid off the debt in five years and have continued the same lifestyle since. In fact, being debt free gave me additional sense of peace. Now I've been building up the nest egg, and apparently will have enough to retire in another four years, although I don't really have plans to retire.
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 05:55 PM
3

In this forum, I've read some very insightful comments from : men who are married men who are in a relationship men who were married men who have kids men who believe in feminism men who believe in socialism I stopped giving a shit about whether someone is MGTOW or not, a long time ago. I leave it to the mods to decide what should remain up and what should be taken down. I just read the rest in hopes of absorbing some wisdom from more experienced men.
/r/MGTOW204/03/21 03:07 PM
2

What exactly are you aiming for when you mean "wealth"? If you're saving up $30-40k a year, I think you're in a great position. Perhaps you're judging yourself against ridiculously high standards. Nothing inherently wrong with that, but it does come with a very high dosage of luck, and you have to factor that in accordingly.
/r/MGTOW203/03/21 05:58 PM
2

The problem with this approach is that you'll go down with the system. I think the best thing to do is to get out before it goes full Stalin or Venezuela.
/r/MGTOW202/03/21 03:51 AM
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It's early stage in the Dual Mating Strategy. The pattern is quite predictable. Stage I: "We'll just keep it casual and see where it goes" (has sex on the first date, man realizes he doesn't have to buy the cow if milk is being freely given) Stage II: (nobody is committing; she's rapidly approaching the Wall, desperately hoping that one of these dudes won't be an "immature boy with backward thinking") Stage III: "Only looking for something serious, done with games. No hook-ups" (Where are all th…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/21 06:57 PM
5

Sustainability went out the window as soon as feminism took over society. MGTOW is just about self preservation.
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 06:41 PM
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If a guy that I like fucking decides to judge me judge me unworthy of him because we BOTH CONSENSUALLY had sex on the first date, he's an immature boy with backward thinking that I don't want in my life So the "immature boy" gets all the fun and the guy who's not "backward thinking" gets stuck with the bill. Woman thinks she's come up with an original strategy. It's almost as if we've seen this before, and know exactly what's going to happen once her dating pool dries up.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/21 06:30 PM
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I am majestic AF the last of a species I wish. This species of Homo mediocris femina is nowhere near extinct.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/03/21 02:57 PM
2

I budgeted the fuck outta my money when I first moved out, because I was super scared I would run out of money before I ran out of month. Every single cent. Used to carry a small notepad around (didn't have a cellphone back then). Turns out I'm naturally conservative with money, always spent less than I made, always made sure I had a rainy day fund, or extra saved for occasional extravagances. So I stopped budgeting. The aim was to alter my behaviour according to my spending capability. Didn't h…
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 11:29 AM
1

The System (TM) can't be fixed. All I care about is finding a way to live contentedly within this chaos. The System (TM) is also unsustainable, and will eventually collapse. Maybe not within my lifetime. But all one has to do is survive.
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 04:25 AM
3

I think we saw exactly how "heroic" feminists are when they shit their pants at the prospect of World War III.
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 02:12 AM
3

Then women have to stand up and unite to save the men. I suppose in a way it's a nice message to send to girls. But we know that if shit hits the fan, women will throw everyone under the bus to save themselves. Saving men is not going to even be on the agenda. It's in their nature.
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 02:07 AM
5

Because we live in a cancel culture.
/r/MGTOW201/03/21 01:55 AM
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It's the next stage of the slut shaming argument. You're not a real man if you're not okay with my past Glad to see that now atleast, there's more support for a man having standards, especially since men are being red pilled at an alarming rate, and know exactly what consequences await them.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/02/21 03:38 PM
3

Feminism, which is just communism, is a self correcting problem. All you have to do is stay alive until they starve to death. Turd Flinging Monkey
/r/MGTOW226/02/21 12:29 AM
10

I don't think it will replace women, but atleast it will provide an alternative.
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 03:28 PM
3

I don’t want to be viewed as that type of man How do I go about expressing my beliefs towards people who generally have a feminist/progressive point of view towards society? Pick one.
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 02:11 PM
6

I tried to see things from their perspective, but couldn't take it for more than a week. I realized that incels are just like feminists; they're unable to accept the inequality of reality itself. They're unable to see themselves as anything but victims. The only sliver of any positivity I saw was one video on the IncelTV channel which said that when he means "It's over", it's not that your life is over, but you have no hope in the sexual market and you're better off focusing on other aspects of …
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 08:08 AM
1

There's only one way to improve this sub. More posts from men such as yourself.
/r/MGTOW225/02/21 07:06 AM
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Plausible deniability. Women don't like to think they're shallow, so instead of rejecting you based on what you said, she proceeded with the date so she could tell herself "Well, I gave it a shot but there wasn't chemistry" This is why Red Pill education is so important. Desire cannot be negotiated. If she shows signs of losing interest, you need to move on instead of wasting more time and money.
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 07:28 AM
9

I would literally prefer to be called incel, loser, low value etc to getting married.
/r/MGTOW224/02/21 12:40 AM
0

Hence the importance of laws that defend the physical integrity of the woman. We are, however, in need of laws that protect the emotional integrity of men. How do you suggest that laws would help in this situation? In my opinion, what would help the best is a thorough education, which theoretically is imparted by father and/or father figures, today which is instead substituted by online groups such as PUA and TheRedPill. Once it is made aware of how the game is played, men are naturally amenable…
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 02:32 PM
4

I don't see why one should tolerate entitled behaviour from someone, just because they're family
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 07:28 AM
9

Feminists would prefer us dead. Society prefers us to be slaves, which is why it is considered normal to feel surprised that a 40 year old man hasn't settled down.
/r/MGTOW223/02/21 12:21 AM
2

Good to hear (read?) from you again, mate. Thanks for continuing to share your wisdom, even if not in this forum.
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 06:33 PM
3

However, I suspect that there are not many, in these decadent times, those that seek to merge with their higher positive side. This, I find, applies equally to men and women in the West today. What are your thoughts on why this is? I observe that, in contradiction to Maslow's hierarchy, as more and more of man's needs are fulfilled, he seems to be reverting to his baser instincts, instead of "merge with their higher positive side". What would be the general set of circumstances, in your opinion,…
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 03:21 PM
1

Core of MGTOW is avoiding the risks of marriage. It also means you don't get the (few remaining) benefits of marriage. What other benefits of MGTOW is up to you, how you decide to use your freedom.
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 08:20 AM
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When I was just starting my career, my weekly routine was just work, spend my off-work time in upskilling and learning basics of personal finance and investing, and some socializing over the weekend. Now that I'm satisfied with the money I'm making (my expenses are 10% of my salary, and I'm debt free), my routine is work 8 hours a day and no more, and spend off work time in other activities that I'm interested in, trying to find if there's something I'd like to do for the rest of my life.
/r/MGTOW222/02/21 08:16 AM
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[Articles in the op are from 2013] Meanwhile, seven years later, in the same fucking country. Unmarried Ontario couple had no children and no house but man must still pay support, appeal court rules I think you should also post this to MensRights. Perhaps their responses will be far more informative.
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 06:10 PM
10

You forgot the most important part. Men created a cultural institution (let's have a random name for it: marriage), to solidify their enslavement of women. Because it was observed that some women were using the fruits of their own productivity for their own selfish enjoyment, it was decided to ensure that a man would be assigned to an appropriately productive woman so that the fruits of her labour would be "properly" allocated instead of being fritterred away on herself. These poor creatures who…
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 04:27 PM
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For me, the key was to learn to not give a fuck about other people's opinions. Almost everybody will try to make you a side character in their story. So you have to learn to identify when you should just walk away, regardless of how bad the other person will have an opinion of you. Once you defeat this boss, the rest of the game is on easy mode.
/r/MGTOW221/02/21 05:13 AM
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This is the war of passion and it is within this scope that the dispassionate is suggested "The one who cares the least, holds the power"
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 06:51 PM
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Incel forum that way, mate --> Women are allowed to have standards. As are men.
/r/MGTOW220/02/21 02:43 AM
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Something like this kinda happened to me. I stumbled across PUA and a lot of pieces just clicked into place. Perhaps the most significant aspect was learning what it means to be assertive. I still remember the shock on her face when I told the girl I used to simp for, "No". My friends were asking me if I was okay for the rest of the day. Your friend probably just discovered some information that made a deep sort of sense to him, as if he'd finally found the answer he was looking for. In my opini…
/r/MGTOW219/02/21 04:42 PM
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Maybe it's just me, but the message I took away from TheRedPill is to chase excellence, which is the necessary condition for access to hot women. Additionally, it's education about what it takes to maintain sexual attraction. Would it have been worth it to have given all that up for some pussy? I would like to hear PUAs and TheRedPill answer that. The way I see it, it's not an either-or. A man who has his shit together will be able to attract women. MGTOW choose not to, while TRP choose to spin …
/r/MGTOW219/02/21 02:26 AM
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That's pretty much how it works in the casual sex economy, and I'm certainly not an apex male. When you make it clear that a relationship is not on the table, and never will be, most women will walk away, which is perfectly reasonable.
/r/MGTOW219/02/21 12:03 AM
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To each his own, mate. For me, any sex is better than no sex. I've never fucked a chick I was actually attracted to. As long as I could get it up ...
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 06:58 PM
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I dunno, man. I see a silver lining. Just like women are the best MGTOW recruiters, the woke retards are the ones who are actively alienating their own people, by constantly finding new things to be offended about. So now there is a budding anti-woke culture, and it's only going to gain steam. I'm already seeing people become disgusted with Facebook, Twitter etc and just go somewhere else, or live without. I remember seeing a job listing website specifically for anti-woke. My only problem is tha…
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 06:02 PM
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Perhaps MarriedRedPill or LTR game in TRP is what you're looking for. I've lost all faith in committed relationships, so I've never spent much time going through that content.
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 03:39 PM
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I realized after a lot of introspection and study of psychology that I was hurt by other people's words because internally I was agreeing with them without thinking (used to be a people pleaser). So developed a simple mental strategy when confronted with criticism/guilt-trip/shaming: Do they have a point? Are they being fair? What is their intent? I found that 95% of the time people just want to control you. TFM says it the best Everybody has a plan for your life, and they don't care what yours …
/r/MGTOW218/02/21 03:10 PM
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Was that supposed to be a sales pitch? Because what I read was Do you like this car in which literally every part is broken? Would you rather not spend your life fixing this, instead of doing the boring thing and actually, you know, racing with it? I mean, there's no shame in that, but there's a big difference. And that's not even the funny part. It's that she thinks she's different from all the other thots.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/02/21 05:28 PM
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Making of a feminist: "Help! I'm unattractive, and being ignored by Chad is hurting my self esteem" Le average man: "Flowers for m'lady" "Ew, creep" Five years later "Women are being oppressed by the patriarchy. They are being held to impossibly high standards of beauty. This needs to stop"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/02/21 04:36 PM
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Once you get the taste of affection, you can't go back Loving and being loved is what brings me my joy in life Sounds like chasing the high of infatuation, at the beginning of the relationship. You didn't mention if you've been in a relationship, but I'd suggest you experience some actual relationships (at least six months long), to find out what happens after the initial chemicals wear off.
/r/MGTOW216/02/21 11:59 AM
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I don't think this is what they meant when they said, "get a hobby"
/r/MGTOW216/02/21 11:46 AM
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They are there as a product, after all, hoping for someone to take the shifty deal on offer.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/02/21 03:03 PM
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So tell me guys of Reddit, where do y'all hang out? Church? Charity events? Gym? Gives you an indication of why women go to church, charity events and gym. It's not because they've found God, are compassionate or want to keep in shape. To hunt.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen15/02/21 04:14 AM
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Gotta learn to live without.
/r/MGTOW213/02/21 11:14 AM
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I would argue that getting married, having a family, raising children is also pointless. It just feels as if you're doing something because it is in line with your instincts. Once you realize that everything is pointless, there are much better pointless things to do instead of pursuing women, while you're waiting for death. And maybe, one of those pointless activities might somehow feel meaningful for you.
/r/MGTOW213/02/21 08:44 AM
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Men's purpose whatever they do is for Women Sure, that is the default purpose, but it doesn't have to be the only purpose. Once you realize that if you cut out pursuit of women from your life, there's literally an infinite number of other things you can devote your life to ...
/r/MGTOW213/02/21 07:08 AM
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Conformity.
/r/MGTOW213/02/21 03:42 AM
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Just my opinion, but we observe that women are not attracted to most men because most men are weak pathetic losers these days, created by a lack of struggle. This is literally why The Red Pill exists. However, I agree that even in a theoretical group where every man was red pilled, women would be less attracted to men on average than vice versa.
/r/MGTOW213/02/21 03:40 AM
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No. Monogamy is dead.
/r/MGTOW212/02/21 03:49 PM
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In a dark phase of my life, when I was of no use to anybody, I found there were a handful of people who still stuck with me. Now I have a reference point to judge people, to determine whether they are friends because they genuinely care or just for what I can do, and I treat them accordingly. Spoiler alert, most people don't care. But the few that do make my life worth living.
/r/MGTOW212/02/21 05:12 AM
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I've found that people who were hurt are genuinely compassionate because they actually felt pain. However they are very careful with trusting someone, understandably. On the other hand, people who virtue signal about how compassionate they are are the most horrible people. I had a "friend" whose home I had the misfortune of visiting. The way he treated his parents was appalling. I realized that he was only nice to the people he benefited from.
/r/MGTOW212/02/21 02:36 AM
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Probably not. The more I age, the more I find myself just content with my life how it is.
/r/MGTOW212/02/21 02:22 AM
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Talk about a depreciating asset ...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/02/21 04:44 PM
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Best wishes mate. I'm just glad MGTOW has made you aware of the risks you're undertaking, which is more than can be said of most men. After that, it's entirely your decision what you decide to do, because after all it's your life.
/r/MGTOW211/02/21 04:10 PM
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I agree. I don't think women should be shamed. As far as MGTOW is concerned, I think they should just be ignored. However, I fully support the shaming of women who ridicule men for riding the "pussy carousel", as you term it, or being a "man-child" or any other controlling tactic.
/r/MGTOW211/02/21 06:03 AM
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I value freedom. In my opinion, women can do whatever they want. The hypocrisy is when they complain that men do whatever they want - sleep around, don't get married, don't want to date single mothers etc. Part of the reason I decided to never get married is because I observed this cock carousel phenomenon, and decided I'd rather be part of the "having fun" stage instead of the "had my fun, want to settle down" stage.
/r/MGTOW211/02/21 04:44 AM
1

What's sigma male?
/r/MGTOW210/02/21 04:29 AM
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I see all around me, what happens when men don't have minimum standards for the women they date.
/r/MGTOW210/02/21 04:15 AM
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Quite frankly, she built her own company instead of forcing gender quotas into the boardroom of other companies built by men, and that is more than can be said of most feminists. I'll consider this one of the rare occasions that a woman has earned her status instead of just stealing from men.
/r/MGTOW209/02/21 04:10 AM
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Stealing this!
/r/MGTOW208/02/21 04:44 PM
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What are the long term consequences of deciding to never approach women and just accpet the fact I have terrible genetics and it's over. Depends on whether you've really accepted it, and moved on, or you're trying to delude yourself that you've accepted it.
/r/MGTOW208/02/21 04:42 PM
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Not into penetration I only like rubbing it Okay with dry humping Not into spending real money. Okay with spending Monopoly money. Watching guy use fleshlight Watching girl use her own fucking money.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/02/21 08:20 AM
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She's genuinely curious why men wouldn't want to be strung along. These people don't even view men as human beings, do they?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/02/21 04:33 AM
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The only way their eyes open is by receiving new information. "Her feelings don't care about your facts". If you're still in the bargaining phase, and you think you can make the case to the other side, I suggest you participate in PurplePillDebate or MensRights. For my part, I shall continue to summarily downvote, report and block posts (from either men or women) that keep asking us to justify our life choice, as if it's somehow wrong.
/r/MGTOW206/02/21 07:34 AM
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This forum welcomes a diversity of opinion (provided it's not an obvious troll), and doesn't care about diversity of genitalia. Having said that, I generally ignore any post from a woman which is unable to stand on it's own merit because she feels compelled to announce that she's a woman e.g. "As a woman ...". As if somehow that should make someone treat her differently.
/r/MGTOW206/02/21 02:25 AM
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This sociopath is an accurate representation of toxic femininity. The fact she got elected into office speaks volumes about the cancer of the political system.
/r/MGTOW205/02/21 04:41 AM
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That's an honest HR. Mine tries to virtue signal: "we are here to help you succeed"
/r/MGTOW204/02/21 06:09 PM
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Usually feminists double down on their misandry as they lose their sexual desirability. Usually, women like this who never had any are the most hateful. Wonder what went wrong in her brainwashing.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/02/21 09:28 AM
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By finding out that the alternatives are even worse.
/r/MGTOW203/02/21 09:10 AM
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... I realized they don't really have compassion for the poor. They just hate the rich. Jordan Peterson
/r/MensRights02/02/21 06:37 PM
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I wouldn't give up on making friends. I think friends and family are necessary. But I must confess to not having any experience with people with your condition. Otherwise, whenever I find myself thinking "I wish I could do that, woe is me", I stop myself and try to think of what I CAN do. Turns out in the modern day, this list is pretty huge.
/r/MGTOW202/02/21 04:24 AM
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At this point, I would support any anti feminism content purely out of principle.
/r/MGTOW202/02/21 04:20 AM
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Borrowing or lending money is the fastest way to lose a friend. Unknown I learnt this lesson the hard way, and ever since then I either give them money without expecting to be paid back - in situations where we're close and I know he really needs it - or make excuses - in situations where I want to find out if he really values the friendship or will leave if there's no benefit to him.
/r/MGTOW201/02/21 06:09 AM
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I'll be honest, my drinking buddies have been great therapists. Your mileage may vary.
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 03:21 AM
2

Ah, eugenics. A small glimpse of what the female future looks like.
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 03:20 AM
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Yes, feminists believe they shouldn't have to get married to be able to steal from men. The government should take from men and give to women simply for existing.
/r/MGTOW231/01/21 03:15 AM
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Bought herself a "hit the wall" trinket.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/01/21 09:37 AM
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I'm in favor of child support consummate with the amount of child custody. If the law is going to have mother as the default custodian, father need not pay anything by default too. I believe 50-50 should be default and any deviation from that should be negotiated between the parties, instead of a unilateral decision of the family Court.
/r/MensRights30/01/21 06:59 AM
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I'm far more afraid of never having the chance to live fully, surviving just to be able to pay alimony and child support. Compared to that, dying alone seems like a not such a bad option.
/r/MGTOW230/01/21 03:59 AM
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respect isn't what it used to be Chivalry is dead, women killed it
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/01/21 12:37 PM
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So many words just to describe that it's always been about communism with men as the bourgeois and women as the proletariat. It started with equality, and now the mask has dropped, or rather, no longer needed.
/r/MensRights29/01/21 08:03 AM
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I don't know how much salt to take this post with, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're some kind of uber Chad. I've found that if you stay away from women they're perfectly happy to leave you alone. You don't even exist. In fact, you have to go out of your way to make women notice you. In any case, if your situation really is as you put it, hopefully you'll be wise enough to avoid the traps of political incorrectness.
/r/MGTOW228/01/21 06:49 AM
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Men do not appreciate their freedom until it is taken from them. You needed this experience to feel gratitude for your single life. I would suggest the same for all those who complain about fear of loneliness.
/r/MGTOW228/01/21 06:42 AM
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If only I had a dollar for everytime some holier than thou retard posts about how this subreddit should Channel that rage you feel into something productive instead of, you know, actually posting about how he's being productive himself to lead by example.
/r/MGTOW228/01/21 04:32 AM
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Would you ever trust YOUR OWN LIFE in the hands of a POWERFUL WOMAN? No. A woman who has power over you will throw you under the bus when it benefits her. Men will too, but I've seen men who took responsibility for their team's failure and promise to work together better, and I've seen women blame their entire team for her failure. the right woman would turn these "fake alpha males" into their little bitches . Pretty much any woman will try to turn men into her "little bitch" (see: pretty much a…
/r/MGTOW227/01/21 07:27 PM
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The biggest issue: the guys all want to share bedrooms before they're married. EVERY SINGLE GUY. What the heck? Imagine the shame of being friendzoned by a granny. You bet your ass men want to tap it before even considering any investment, especially at that age when time isn't exactly what they have in abundance. Shoe is well and truly on the other foot now.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/01/21 08:43 AM
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old men to live their fantasies ? Do old men fantasize about protecting themselves from legal consequences of engaging with women?
/r/MGTOW224/01/21 06:01 AM
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Unless she's threating you with the law (divorce, domestic violence accusation), she can't "manipulate" or "blackmail" you unless you're a doormat. Check out MarriedRedPill subreddit for some red pilled advice for married men. And in general, learn to be assertive. Women will always try to walk all over you. We criticize women who walk away from the relationship because they're bored. This case is no different, as far as I'm concerned. I'm sorry you made a mistake that you have to pay for, for t…
/r/MGTOW224/01/21 02:16 AM
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How do you deal with the probability of never receiving affection from a loved woman I've never received romantic affectiom from a woman that wasn't conditional. After a certain point I stopped wasting time in this pursuit. never giving a kiss to your son and daughter I'd rather sacrifice my desire for children, than sacrifice my children's future in this fucked up culture. . I believe that care and companionship still exist. It does. I've found it in friends and family.
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 06:59 AM
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MGTOW Saves Lives
/r/MGTOW223/01/21 03:11 AM
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Why do you want to save the institution of marriage in the first place? Is it because "marriage" is the optimal way of raising children? That's like saying "college" is the optimal way of getting a high paying job. And look at what the retards who believe in blind correlation did to the institution of college. You get a high paying job by getting skills in a field that has a lot of demand and rare supply of talent. College used to be a way to create this supply. Similarly, the optimal environmen…
/r/MGTOW222/01/21 03:07 PM
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It'll be all good for now. Ten years down the line, some broad will start a trend like MeToo after hitting the wall and no-one's paying any attention to her, and your fwb will throw you under the bus for internet victim hood points. Disclaimer: Replace will with might. It's a risk not a certainty.
/r/MGTOW222/01/21 12:01 PM
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Interesting post. Most people do not have an internal monologue [3] or carry on any insightful thought or introspection. I wonder what triggers introspection, self reflection and self awareness. From what I've observed, it's having to go through suffering. Although, I've also observed that suffering makes some people better and others bitter. Can't say where or why the paths diverge. Regarding the "MGTOW paradox", I don't think what you mentioned is a paradox because said behaviours are attribut…
/r/MGTOW222/01/21 05:56 AM
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You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
/r/MGTOW222/01/21 05:28 AM
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A couple options I think might become a trend in the future. Anime girls Apparently men falling in love with anime waifus is already prevalent in Japan, so much that it has caught mainstream attention. There are signs this is being adopted by the west as well. No clue how this phenomenon occurs. Artificial intelligence Back when SIRI first launched, there were reports of men falling in love with her, not sure how overblown it was. So the bar was already low. Now the technology has gotten so much…
/r/MGTOW221/01/21 07:58 PM
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Perfect Wait no Damn, she let the truth escape before hamster wheel could start spinning.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/01/21 04:05 PM
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Your comment about social exploitation sparked this in my memory ... Now that doesn't mean that people don't have polygamous or polyamourous tendencies, cause they certainly do. And it's certainly also the case that one of the ways that women jerrymander this system is that ... say you're married and you have children with your husband but you also have an affair, so you have a child by another man. That's more common that anyone suspected. Part of the way they solve the problem ... is they pick…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre21/01/21 08:33 AM
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What is life like as a MGTOW monk for men over the age of 30? Couldn't be better. How do you guys cope with being completely alone & life in general? I'm of the view that only romantic relationships are unnecessary, but friendships and family are absolutely required. I'm lucky that I have a handful of people in my life who genuinely care about me, and I cherish spending time with them. The main issue with the monk lifestyle is it tends towards hedonism. When you have an abundance of options with…
/r/MGTOW219/01/21 06:23 PM
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You are thinking with you big head instead of little head. You are well placed in life, young one.
/r/MGTOW219/01/21 06:48 AM
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I'm trying to make sure that I don't fall into an echo-chamber of bad ideas and end up a women hating loser. An echo chamber doesn't make someone a woman hating loser. He was already one and the echo chamber just gives him a chance to blame something other than himself. If you're the type of person who is easily influenced, doesn't think for himself, unquestioningly believes whatever random people on the internet say, instead of validating it against your own experience and rejecting those that …
/r/MGTOW218/01/21 09:22 AM
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No. I was watching a recent incel livestream featuring Turd Flinging Monkey, and realized these guys literally cannot think of life as worthwhile unless they find a woman who loves them, get married and have a family.
/r/MGTOW217/01/21 05:15 AM
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She love bombed you and now you're actually considering dating a prostitute. Well, I wish you the best, but won't shed a tear when you become one of the statistics.
/r/MGTOW217/01/21 05:10 AM
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I guess they're not even pretending now. Well, they can have their communist feminist utopia. I've gotten the fuck out.
/r/MGTOW215/01/21 03:36 PM
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The Iron Curtain will fall. Slowly but surely and inevitably. Men aren't stupid. They see the hypocrisy of feminism all around them and they are instinctually driven to find out the actual truth.
/r/MGTOW215/01/21 02:44 PM
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It’s also abusive because it has all the negativity‘s and cost of hanging out with a woman and none of the positive aspects No, being friends with a woman is not "abusive". You're just a doormat who can't say No because you're afraid your princess will get angry. I assume it's the same in the workplace as well, and you're never able to say No. And now all that resentment that had built up for "being treated unfairly" is gushing out in a destructive way in the form of these "goodbye letters". The…
/r/MGTOW214/01/21 10:55 AM
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If everyone has their own definition then the word is meaningless. Not meaningless, but meaningful in a subjective manner. I agree with the your description. Just don't expect everyone to.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 08:23 AM
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Everyone has their own definition. That's my point. There is no objective concept of MGTOW. The unnecessary tribalism is what amuses me.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 07:51 AM
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I literally don't see what gives anyone the right to proclaim whether someone is a mgtow or not.
/r/MGTOW213/01/21 03:35 AM
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How come we're rejected constantly, compared to each other, pitted against each other and pretty much just accept this and move on Pretty sure going on an epic rant about how men are trash these days, wouldn't be considered "pretty much just accept this and move on".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/01/21 09:31 AM
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There's nothing that I literally could not do in marriage that I can't do single. Marriage is not the problem, it's divorce. It robs you of any capability to do anything but support your wife and kids.
/r/MGTOW210/01/21 02:11 PM
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That's what happens when they cry wolf too many times.
/r/MGTOW209/01/21 01:10 PM
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Welp. I tried. If only I had a dollar for everytime some retard tries to impose their view of what mgtow is, down everyone's throats.
/r/MGTOW208/01/21 02:16 PM
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Well, since we're being pedantic. One of the limitations in the definition in original post is the assumption of men making "individual choices". So men who make "collective choices" are not mgtow. I'm purposely making this argument seem absurd because that's what you're requiring of me.
/r/MGTOW208/01/21 01:47 PM
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"Definitions" are statements of limitations, by definition. Definitions are used to describe what something is, and what it is not. More importantly, they also imply universal agreement. Which brings me to However, everyone doesn't agree on that point Why does there need to be any agreement at all? By your post itself, you believe individuality to be a core part of mgtow. So doesn't it make sense that everyone has their own opinions, and their own meaning of mgtow? It all boils down to your valu…
/r/MGTOW208/01/21 01:12 PM
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I can't find that definition anywhere but your post here. I'm sorry you can't be arsed to find it. Why would anyone put the word women in a definition of men going their own way? Insofar as mgtow even has a definition, I share your view that "women" has no place in it. But what gives you (or me) the right to decide that? How does any man have the right to tell any other man how to be MGTOW (as long as it's about legal activities)? Says the one looking for a "definition" so that His Majesty can g…
/r/MGTOW208/01/21 12:32 PM
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From the sidebar MGTOW is defined in r/MGTOW2 as: Men walking away from marriage and any other relationships with women that subject them to the punishments of a gynocentric society and court of law ...
/r/MGTOW208/01/21 11:13 AM
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They whored themselves for free before because of the "strong and independent" illusion propped up by the government. Now they're whoring themselves for food because they realize they have nothing else to offer. Kinda like the women illustrated over at the main sub or on FDS - No Hookups - who've realized nobody's interested in their "personality" or their PhD, and they won't get commitment unless they paywall their sexuality.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre08/01/21 10:30 AM
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Once the gov. teet dries up as well Let's take Venezuela as an example. Eight years ago: Yes, this is a feminist revolution. I believe we have matured and I believe we're going to keep defending this revolutionary process, until our grandchildren have a free and sovereign country. Chavez wins Venezuelan women's hearts Now We don't like doing this, but we have to sell our bodies Interview With Teenage Venezuelan Prostitute
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre08/01/21 06:18 AM
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Women: Are you looking for a partner or just a maid? Also women: I should be adequately compensated for my unpaid labour.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/21 03:00 PM
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Im beyond furious right now, wastes 8 months on someone who apparently doesnt think women are entitled to having sex? Says someone who apparently doesn't think men are entitled to have a preference for not committing to sluts.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen07/01/21 02:04 PM
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This approach makes sense if the fear is unjustified. Surrounding yourself with snakes doesn't make sense, all it takes in one poisonous (venomous?) snake to kill you. In my opinion, the answer is to educate yourself as much as you can about snakes, so you can learn to stay away from the poisonous (venomous?) ones. After a while you begin to wonder if you really want snakes in your life, or if you might just have better things to do.
/r/MGTOW207/01/21 02:05 AM
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When you can't even accomplish the same outcomes as your fellow women, but think you deserve the same outcomes as top tier men.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/01/21 01:57 PM
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These "benevolent" people should get together, form an organization and fund whatever welfare programs their support by donating money, goods and services. It's when they cry to the government to steal other people's money - tax the rich - that shows they're just communists, not compassionate.
/r/MGTOW206/01/21 08:24 AM
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Toxic Masculinity was a feminist label to identify undesirable atypical behaviours in men that are not typical in women. In traditional feminist fashion, they've generalized it across all men, to attempt to drive home the narrative that men are inferior versions of women. Which is ironic considering that feminism glorifies all the same behaviours in women that it vilifies in men. Bottom line is that both sexes are capable of horrible acts of violence. One of them is just biologically more capabl…
/r/MGTOW206/01/21 07:01 AM
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Men are surprised by the fact that a below average woman has a much higher social value than even an above average man, because they've been told to "just be yourself". Men are made, whereas women have inherent value. Unfortunately, Tinder hides all the other factors that contribute to a man's sexual value, and boils it down to uncontrollable factors - genetics.
/r/MGTOW205/01/21 03:20 PM
3

Point well made. Perhaps "hostility" is better suited, although it implies a much harsher response than once I envisioned.
/r/MGTOW205/01/21 09:37 AM
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You'll get biased opinions from both forums. Only you can decide for yourself based on the tangible evidence.
/r/MGTOW205/01/21 09:35 AM
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I fear for a time when men will respond with suspicion when a woman gives them any attention, instead of kindness.
/r/MGTOW205/01/21 07:30 AM
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But how do you feel about women/relationships later in life? I personally wouldn't bother. But that's because I've found happiness, peace and contentment in solitude. I also realize this is not universally applicable. However, my opinion is that men who have become aware of the Red Pill and MGTOW wisdom, and still decide to take the risk, deserve the consequences.
/r/MGTOW205/01/21 03:23 AM
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The liberal types, especially the social justice types, are way higher in compassion; it's actually their fundamental characteristic. And you might think, well, compassion is a virtue. It's like, yeah, it is "a" virtue, but any unidimentional virtue becomes a vice. Compassion is what the mother grizzly bear feels for her cubs when she eats you because you got in the way ... you don't want to be thinking for a second that compassion isn't a virtue that can lead to violence. Jordan Peterson - The …
/r/MGTOW204/01/21 03:04 PM
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My folks refused to believe me when I said I was happy being single. They'd keep prodding me about it two or three times a year. Now five years later, they're well and truly convinced, and my wellbeing was their only concern. We even discuss about philosophy with each other, I find they have a renewed respect for me.
/r/MGTOW204/01/21 05:04 AM
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Nah. This train has no brakes now. Just save yourselves.
/r/MGTOW203/01/21 03:56 PM
10

Some men are so desperate for a relationship that they cannot envision a situation where men might prefer to just walk away, and the only possible reason could be lack of options.
/r/MGTOW203/01/21 12:05 PM
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Don't view mgtow as an ideology, just as collective wisdom. Your life decisions are your own. My advice is to enjoy your relationship, while it lasts.
/r/MGTOW203/01/21 11:40 AM
7

If enough men decide to remain single, there will be a lucrative market for old-age care.
/r/MGTOW203/01/21 08:59 AM
1

If we see being civilised as being 'good', then we should pursue a relationship. No, you don't need a woman to be "civilized". Although I agree that we are biologically programmed to channel our testosterone fueled aggression to compete with other men for social status, for the pursuit of sex, we are also capable of rising above our basic instinct. It's a matter of deciding to channel that aggression into productive endeavors (which is what mgtow represents in my opinion) or destructive ones (wh…
/r/MGTOW202/01/21 12:57 AM
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Makes sense. Those "The Future is Female" folks are all incels/niceguys.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen01/01/21 08:27 AM
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I'm optimistic of a spiritual revolution for men. As men start to realize that relationships are not the answer, they will be forced into an inner conflict, at the resolution of which each individual would hopefully arrive at a place of contentment in their life.
/r/MGTOW231/12/20 01:18 PM
2

You cannot control how you feel, only what you do about it. However, it is a valuable exercise in self knowledge to find out why you feel that way.
/r/MGTOW230/12/20 06:50 PM
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"Too intimidating" usually means she's a total bitch. Nice to see that for a change women are clueless about what guys say versus what they mean.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/12/20 02:41 PM
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Mod has already posted a warning on his post asking for interview. Having said that, the man did clearly state who he was and what he wanted, to his credit. Those who wish to engage participate at their own risk.
/r/MGTOW229/12/20 07:01 AM
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Women being fuckzoned. The shoe is well and truly on the other foot now.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/12/20 06:58 AM
8

How to find out if you are an incel in denial or a pre-emptive MGTOW? You can only find out when a woman showers you with affection.
/r/MGTOW228/12/20 07:53 PM
3

If it weren't for Meanwhile, my peers went on to establish thriving companies. I'd think you were talking about marriage.
/r/MGTOW228/12/20 12:21 PM
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Best way to find out what a woman thinks of men, is to ask her how (she believes) men think of her.
/r/MensRights27/12/20 03:42 AM
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I feel pretty much sick of all of the things that made me happy; role playing games, action movies, junk food etc You lived a hedonistic lifestyle, and you realized it is not sustainable. I'm eating better foods, watching little to no TV and I chuck the occasional game on but it doesn't gel with my personality anymore Now you're an empty shell, having to deal with the withdrawal. now I feel like I want to be able to create some kind of answer to change my situation, if there is something I can d…
/r/MGTOW226/12/20 04:10 PM
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This is very blue pilled representation. You're not supposed to give her any of the benefits like free dinners, or spoiling her until she's given you what you want (yes I believe sex disproportionately benefits men especially if she goes the extra mile to satisfy you). And if she walks away, she wasn't attracted to begin with. I have sympathy for men who thought being a gentleman was the best dating strategy. But someone who recognizes it doesn't work but still keeps doing it, deserves what he g…
/r/MGTOW225/12/20 05:01 AM
1

Yes, I'm sure the soyboys today who don't even have the balls to say No to m'lady, are so much happier.
/r/MGTOW225/12/20 04:27 AM
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That's fair. In my opinion, it's not a valid point. It's a sign of how coddled our generation is, by the prosperity of modern society. People who think that not getting sex (incels) or having a tax on tampons (feminists) are crushing problems that require a society wide overhaul, need to be shipped off to Bangladesh or Afghanistan for a couple years, to make them appreciate how good they have it in the West.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 05:44 PM
1

We are lied to about many things. But once we find the truth, at what point can we stop complaining? When do we realize that complaining is useless? When do we start doing?
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 05:39 PM
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That's what I'm asking you to elaborate on. What valid points do incels have? Please understand I'm not trying to be condescending here. I'm also trying to understand this phenomenon, and the only conclusion I've reached so far is - entitlement. So I'm looking for a different perspective.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 05:27 PM
2

And acknowledgment of Red Pill truths is justification for victimhood?
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 05:23 PM
2

unlike feminists, incels actually do have some valid points. Please elaborate.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 05:19 PM
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Do they want your sympathy, though? I tried to see things from their perspective. What I found is that they're not willing to shed their victim mindset. Kinda like feminists.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 05:15 PM
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"get the juice worth your squeeze" actually seems reasonable. Most people be like, keep squeezing bro eventually you'll find a good one or even worse, you didn't squeeze hard enough.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 11:34 AM
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You didn't get divorce raped or falsely accused. I'd say you came out ahead. In my opinion, that's how low the bar is for a relationship with a woman these days.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 10:27 AM
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Where were they when I sacrificed my social life, studied day and night, and basically had no life during HS and college?? So once I’m successful and happy at the metaphorical finish line, they want to give me the time of day? Don't hate the player. The game is designed that way. The only thing you can do is refuse to play unless it's on your terms.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 09:44 AM
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Part of living in a prosperous society is watching half the money you earned be stolen away to give others free shit (deserved or otherwise). I don't blame people for taking advantage of game mechanics. It's the game that's broken. What shocks me is that no matter how many times it has failed, we keep trying to play the same game (socialism) over and over.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 06:34 AM
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I disagree. Weak men is what allowed the culture to become so feminized. The relentless attack on men today is backing men into a corner where they have to either toughen up or be destroyed. It's separating the wheat from the chaff. About time.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 04:41 AM
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Methinks you're on the internet too much. Just focus on the people who genuinely care about you. The rest of the world has never cared, and it is up to you to ignore their virtue signaling online and not take it personally.
/r/MGTOW224/12/20 04:34 AM
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anywhere u know I could get ready for emulator mod files Nope. Didn't realize Golden Sun even had a difficulty mod. I should try that.
/r/MGTOW223/12/20 06:22 PM
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Much appreciated :D I'm a connoisseur of Retro (NES, SNES, PS1, GBA) RPGs and tactics games. Some of them really made you think.
/r/MGTOW223/12/20 06:13 PM
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Fire Emblem (6, 7, 8) Final Fantasy (1, 2, 4, 5, 6) Golden Sun (1, 2) Advance Wars Pokemon (Sapphire/Ruby, Emerald, FireRed/LeafGreen)
/r/MGTOW223/12/20 05:59 PM
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It's scenarios like this that make me appreciate the people I have in my life that genuinely just want me to be happy. Gives me a benchmark to evaluate other people to decide whether they're worth my time and energy.
/r/MGTOW223/12/20 01:58 PM
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fuck this game. Glad you realized how the game works. To counterbalance the anger, I suggest you count your blessings - didn't lose half your shit or your kids, didn't have your life destroyed (I assume). Best wishes for a new beginning.
/r/MGTOW223/12/20 06:28 AM
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but at the same time, I find the truth so disgusting I'm sorry that you seem to be stuck in limbo where you feel you need a woman to be happy, while also utterly disgusted by female nature. Unfortunately, you need to resolve this internal conflict first. Decide whether you're willing to accept that women are just as imperfect as us and play the game of seduction accordingly, or you're so disgusted that you're willing to forego relationships and find happiness elsewhere.
/r/MGTOW222/12/20 01:16 PM
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Then MGTOW is not for you. Nothing wrong with that. In my opinion, the only alternative in today's age is The Red Pill. But if some other form of dating advice works for you, great.
/r/MGTOW222/12/20 10:28 AM
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It's the million dollar question, friend. The answer is different for everyone. Start with this: visualize how your life would be if you were happy right now (not if you were a billionaire, not if you were a chad etc). Then start building your life towards that. Don't expect change within 48 hours. This shit takes years if not decades. Start with cleaning your room.
/r/MGTOW222/12/20 09:56 AM
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There is no safe casual sex post MeToo. If you still wish to risk it, I'd suggest making it clear (but not bluntly) that you aren't looking for a relationship, and vet the women who're still interested. Younger women who are in the "having fun" phase are more likely to be drama-free but obviously also have a lot more options. I restricted myself to women within my social circle, who I knew were sluts. Hardly ever got laid, but never had any problems.
/r/MGTOW222/12/20 04:53 AM
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"Join" MGTOW? As in, the subreddit? Based on the options, I'll assume the question is what made me decide to avoid marriage. Putting 2 and 2 together and realizing that lifelong monogamy had died. Does that fit under any of the options?
/r/MGTOW221/12/20 03:48 PM
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It's great you've found fulfillment in life, friend. Keep us posted on your activities. Who knows, I might be interested to try some.
/r/MGTOW221/12/20 08:08 AM
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Don't waste energy in frustration that women are completely unable to see how most of their predicaments are a consequence of their own choices. Focus on your goals.
/r/MGTOW221/12/20 04:52 AM
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I appreciate all the Red Pill and MGTOW content creators that make their content available for free. I believe Sharpe was how I discovered the MGTOW label, when he was ragging on MGTOW in one of his videos. In my opinion, he's just another PUA. I lost interest after watching for a while and realizing all his content is aimed towards men who are willing to do anything to get validation from women, instead of looking inwards. It's like, if you don't spend all of your time improving your smv and le…
/r/MGTOW221/12/20 04:29 AM
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Best time to be single. Convenience of modern technology. Erasure of gender roles (no need to man up)
/r/MGTOW221/12/20 04:00 AM
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She hit me up, what should I do? Wow, that's all it took to sow the seeds of doubt eh? Well, all I'm going to advise is don't do anything that will have permanent consequences.
/r/MGTOW220/12/20 09:40 AM
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Decided to never get married at 20, over a decade ago. (Man am I glad I had access to internet) Only heard about MGTOW slightly over a year ago.
/r/MGTOW219/12/20 05:55 PM
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. i need to be a mgtow and just keep myself distracted until death If you still think that relationships will make you happy, then I suggest you keep chasing pussy until you stumble across the answer, whatever it might be. Getting your shit together is the first step. I think "keep myself distracted" will just make you more and more bitter until you finally snap. So you might as well focus on improving your SMV instead of falling into despair.
/r/MGTOW219/12/20 10:28 AM
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Remember that nobody can make you feel bad without your permission. Remember that you cannot change the world, only yourself. So take the time to introspect everytime you encounter such negativity, why it makes you feel that way. The exercise helps you understand yourself better, and work towards having an inner locus of control. Perhaps you feel angry, it might be because you haven't seen their perspective. So next time, try to put yourself in their shoes and understand where they're coming fro…
/r/MGTOW218/12/20 07:49 AM
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I must admit I didn't really understand the labels even though the author tried his best to define them. As far as I'm concerned, I feel obligated to give back to my family/community/country to the extent I have benefited from being a part of it, and insofar as I achieve a sense of purpose in being a cog in a well-oiled machine. Once it gets to a stage where society makes it clear that not only are you unnecessary, but actively detrimental to society, I see no reason to contribute. I'll take wha…
/r/MGTOW217/12/20 11:07 AM
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Men and women are both just as long on this planet, how come men are still unable to give birth to children? There is no equality or fairness in nature. Men and women are different, even complementary. Just comparing them in certain aspects is disaster (see feminism).
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 01:08 PM
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MGTOW is not a monolith. Everyone has their own interpretation and there is no "official" one. So depending on the context, all of those arguments are valid. At the end of the day, it boils down to whether the reward is worth the risk. Based on each individual's experience, both firsthand and secondhand, this answer will be different. There is no "objective" answer. Personally, I decided to stop dating once the risk became higher than what I was prepared to accept. It is similar to when I decide…
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 09:26 AM
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I'm just curious ;)
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 05:53 AM
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Yes, nihilism is so alluring. When you have to give up on what you desired the most, it seems there is nothing left in life. Find something to live for, otherwise you'll only dig deeper into this blackness and despair. For me, it was realizing that I had friends and family that genuinely care about me.
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 03:04 AM
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I've been in incel forums and I've found it most similar to feminist forums. There's a lot of bitterness and resentment about what other people have - apex males - and how unfair society and women are that they can't have it too. They blame everything except themselves for their "predicament". Most unfortunate is the blatant self hatred. Gave me a clue that perhaps feminists are also the same, so driven by self hatred they wish to burn the "patriarchy" down. Some if not most of these incels can …
/r/MGTOW216/12/20 02:57 AM
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Sounds good in theory. I remember watching a Milton Friedman video where he proposed the negative income tax, but I couldn't understand it. However, we return to the same problem as before. Just like people are complaining that minimum wage needs to be raised because one cannot survive on minimum wage, people will complain that the UBI is not enough. Raising the UBI, like minimum wage also becomes infeasible (just like how the welfare state keeps growing). More insidiously, UBI will disincentivi…
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 07:23 PM
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My solution would be to give people UBI and then get rid of all minimum wage. Who pays for the UBI? If people don't think they get paid fair with a UBI (which must include healthcare) they can say ok I don't agree to that contract on totally indivual free level. If they say ok I don't agree, what's the alternative? But that is not the point the point is that Tims argument was just really really bad and made zero sense. I agree. It was a surface level explanation. Thomas Sowell and Peter Schiff g…
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 06:25 PM
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When the pain of being in a relationship becomes greater than the pain of being alone.
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 12:27 PM
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Monogamy died a long time ago (no-fault divorce). Alexander Grace seems legit. The only other video I watched was when YouTube recommended "This is the only time she's telling the truth", and I found that to be consistent with my personal experience (with suitable nuance). I pretty much agree with all the arguments in this video. An alternative scenario is when a plurality of men become disenfranchised (sexually speaking), the collective resentment will result in actual misogyny (not the offendi…
/r/MGTOW215/12/20 10:23 AM
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is anyone else disgusted by onlyfans? Nope. These problems only affect those who are still in the dating game. I'm more interested in how I can protect my assets in the upcoming financial collapse.
/r/MGTOW214/12/20 03:02 PM
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Just my opinion, but the stupid thing would've been to ask her out. A decade ago, I would've just asked her out and if she rejected me, no big deal, end of story. These days you can theoretically go to jail for it. The fact that you decided to factor in her body language, regardless of the cause, and decided to not go ahead with it, was smart, in my opinion. Think with your head, not with your dick.
/r/MGTOW214/12/20 02:56 PM
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Some (most) men are actually just like women. They don't want the truth, they just want to feel good. They want someone to take care of them, so they don't have to work. They want a simple solution to their problem (it's the 1%) instead of having to think about the nuances. They'll only learn through consequences. Unfortunately, the consequences will affect us too. It is our responsibility to get off this sinking ship while we still can.
/r/MGTOW213/12/20 12:37 PM
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Good going, dude. A friend told me that as long as you treat day trading as a game, it can be a lot of fun. Personally, I avoid it not just because I'm risk averse but I want to spend as little time as possible in making money, and more on other things. Money is just a tool that allows me more freedom in how to more efficiently spend my much more precious resource - time.
/r/MGTOW212/12/20 12:57 PM
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Back in university, I spent almost all of my time with buddies, whether it was classmates, roommates or other friends. So I opted out as much as I could. After university, everybody is busy with their own lives, so I jump at every opportunity to get together, since I'm the one who has time and the others have to work around their family schedules.
/r/MGTOW212/12/20 12:05 PM
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Disclaimer: I haven't found my calling in life, yet. Just try a bunch of things and see what sticks. For me, I focused on financial goals first, to allow me a launchpad to just experiment with my life later. Here's some of the stuff I plan to do: Start some businesses Learn to grow my own food Join a monastery Become a professional sportsman Write some books Establish/participate in personally funded men's help groups Get a science degree and try to get into research Most probably I'll just get …
/r/MGTOW212/12/20 06:01 AM
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How prosperous is Saudi? As in, how well does the average person live (because we only see the princes and such)? Feminism seems to crop up along with prosperity. Just like women start flocking to any industry where there is easy money. I think men just need to adapt to a world where women are empowered. Hopefully, we're just in a transition where women get the best of both world. New generations might hold women to the same standards as men, instead of letting them get away with bullshit.
/r/MGTOW212/12/20 03:23 AM
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How can I get them to back off from this and let me live the life I want to live? I honestly do not want to cut them off because they are just a few of the caring people in my life. Lie. Come up with the mildest lies your morals are willing to tolerate. Say you have a long distance girlfriend. When I keep on saying no or if they bring it up, it really puts stress on me because I really hate saying no to them constantly because I feel that it puts stress on them and that in turn affects me when m…
/r/MGTOW211/12/20 08:15 PM
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Men are not stupid. They respond to incentives. When you see someone close to you being unfairly punished, there is no going back. I can only conclude that if men are still choosing to engage, the pain hasn't gotten bad enough.
/r/MGTOW211/12/20 06:38 PM
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Technology. Artificial women who are complex enough to induce the same feelings in men as real women (call it whatever you wish, love or infatuation, it's all in the head)
/r/MGTOW211/12/20 07:59 AM
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Literally didn't care about politics before discovering the MGTOW communities. Seeing as how MGTOW value freedom, that seems to be the right wing these days (Turd Flinging Monkey, Sargon of Akkad, Jordan Peterson, Thomas Sowell, Milton Friedman). To balance it out, I'm trying to look into some non-communist good left wing content (Sam Harris, Vaush were a couple suggestions)
/r/MGTOW210/12/20 05:59 PM
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MGTOW has had no effect ... Was always fiscally responsible, even when dating. If I had wanted to get married, I'm sure I would've saved up for that. Doubtlessly, avoiding marriage and dating has accelerated me towards financial independence.
/r/MGTOW210/12/20 03:11 PM
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I consider personal finance and taxes as a necessary education for everyone. It really worries me that my friends live in perpetual debt and they're okay with it. The answer is always "I need to earn more" Dave Ramsey is legit. Unfortunately, I stopped listening to his show because the people that call in have dug themselves in so deep it's totally depressing.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 08:18 AM
4

Congrats, man, you won the lottery! Enjoy.
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 07:20 AM
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Women have effectively declared that they want marriage and all that it guarantees them but also the ability to frivolously shrug off that commitment Watch what they do, not what they say. Women don't want "marriage". They want the safety net, legal power over a man so they can stop working so hard to keep him, and a launch pad to chase after alpha genes, once betabux is locked down. If these requirements are satisfied by alternatives - government programs, welfare, free housing etc - they don't…
/r/MGTOW209/12/20 02:40 AM
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A modern day Galileo. He revealed the truth about the equality doctrine, and for that is being crucified by the church of progressivism. I repeatedly listen to his Joe Rogan podcasts episodes in hopes of picking up more wisdom. His explanations about what is going on in society and how it came to be this way make the most sense to me. However, I think the core of his message, which seems to be lost in the midst of controversy is that of individual responsibility, and finding meaning and purpose …
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 06:06 PM
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I agree. This applies to those MGTOW who are in the bargaining phase who haven't accepted that women are just as shallow as men.
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 03:23 PM
1

I can get full honest truth for free by visiting FDS.
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 03:10 PM
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It appalls me that men, even those with good financial sense and risk assessment, put more thought into buying a graphics card, than into marriage.
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 09:43 AM
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What do women really offer in a relationship ? Depends on what you want from a partner what alternatives are available how much you're willing to pay how much risk you're willing to take Thomas Sowell said There are no "solutions", only tradeoffs. This is why the answer is different for different men. Some men think it's something they can't live without, others think the risk is not worth the reward. To each his own.
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 09:31 AM
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This post felt like a humble brag combined with a shill for Semen Retention. Regardless, you seem to be at a great place in your life. Best wishes to you, sir.
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 03:42 AM
1

Waiting to cross uncanny valley.
/r/MGTOW208/12/20 03:32 AM
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Dude, I've been in the cesspool of incel forums. This forum is nothing like it. something in me tells me that as red-pill aware men and MGTOWs we should lift the banner of initiative and help find a solution to the Incel problem. That "something" is your desire to control others. Live and let live. No self-respecting MGTOW should ever want to be associated with the likes of incels and their toxic ideologies and past crimes. Replace MGTOW with Aryans and incels with Jews. Not a pretty picture. Le…
/r/MGTOW207/12/20 01:02 PM
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Just roast me though, I need some sense slapped into me. You're a masochist? What good is this going to do? The most important thing: what have you learnt from this experience? To be specific, what have you learnt about yourself?
/r/MGTOW207/12/20 09:49 AM
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Go ahead and buy a lottery ticket with half your net worth. Oh you lost? You just didn't find the right one, bro. There are plenty of people who have won the lottery. Of course there are some in which you won't win. Surely you can find the right lottery ticket. Why are u so edgy?
/r/MGTOW207/12/20 09:43 AM
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There is no "consent". If you come anywhere near a woman, she now has the power to destroy your life - she'll use it when it's most convenient for her. The best protection is to be invisible. The second best protection is to be sufficiently valuable to her to not make it convenient for her to screw you over. There is no "fake woke". All these people have no compassion, they're using it as a tool to dictate how other people should behave. Just ask them to let a Muslim immigrant stay with them.
/r/MGTOW207/12/20 05:24 AM
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Theory of Relativity. I'm still finding it difficult to wrap my head around the fact that our experience of distance and time is entirely subjective. Any eye-opening wisdom? When I was reading PUA theory, dunno what triggered this realization, but personality is infinitely malleable. I don't have to pretend to be the kind of man I look up to, I can actually be one.
/r/MGTOW207/12/20 04:16 AM
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"Single mothers are heroes. " "Fat women are also beautiful. " "Even if it's not your child you should love him." "If you really loved her, you would put a ring on it." "If you can't handle her drama, you're not a real man." "If you have a problem with her past, you're insecure." I'm seeing a very consistent pattern here.
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 03:42 PM
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For me, MGTOW is a completely arbitrary label that I use to find like minded men. Like with anything on the internet there's lots of trash, but there are a lot of MGTOW I wish to imbibe wisdom from, who have reached the same belief as I did, that happiness can only come from within, and the meaning of life can be found in individual responsibility and self respect. The refusal to marry follows from those principles, a decision I reached a decade before I heard of MGTOW. The adjacent communities …
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 03:09 PM
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Single mother before 20 years old? I thought women had hit rock bottom, but it seems they're still digging.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen05/12/20 08:39 AM
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When we had strong gender based roles pre-modernity everyone just seemed to be much happier and no one seemed to complain about it. We had more important things to worry about. With prosperity comes entitlement. Feminism and post-modernity is just forms of entitlement. When some Real Shit goes down, these people will forget about how oppressed they are.
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 07:45 AM
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I would try to make the best of a bad situation. Now dont get me wrong I love her but she just like most women I've been with hurt me really bad. I wont leave her but want to know how others would approach this. MarriedRedPill sub claims to offer Red Pilled advice for married men. If that works, you might be able to turn around your marriage. Otherwise I'd just find a way to accept the situation, to ensure I don't do something even more regretful than marriage. You're discovering that marriage i…
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 07:35 AM
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A very nice analogy. To others, we are just an NPC. irrelevant to their storyline unless we do something for their quest. Unnoticed even if we're collateral damage in their quest. It is up to us to realize that only we can make ourselves the main character in our story. If you're lucky you'll find people who're willing to make you a plot-important character in their story, but more often you'll only be an NPC, and it's important to recognize the difference.
/r/MGTOW205/12/20 02:28 AM
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It's completely natural to feel this way, mate. The problem is that you think a relationship will fulfill your needs. Unfortunately there is no way to find out without getting into one. So all I'm going to say is, just don't do something that will have permanent consequences.
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 02:41 PM
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Well said. I feel so many of the "problems" we attribute to women can be solved with some diplomacy and tact. The lack of which is more often a sign of the man's inexperience and youth.
/r/MGTOW204/12/20 04:19 AM
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For once, feminists have said something in which if you reverse the sexes, it still applies.
/r/MensRights03/12/20 06:18 PM
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I am a happy and independent person Methinks happy and independent people don't cry themselves to sleep due to not getting any attention from high status men anymore.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen03/12/20 06:16 PM
2

you think I coulda made dem ass cheeks go clap clap in exchange for studying lol? Nope. She was gossiping behind your back about how she had you wrapped around her finger.
/r/MGTOW203/12/20 01:12 PM
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I've realized that the correct response is to ignore these idiots. Focusing on stupid non-issues is why we haven't reached Mars yet.
/r/MGTOW202/12/20 02:41 PM
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I'm Female! Am I really supposed to know what I want and need 100 years of feminism down the toilet.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen02/12/20 12:42 PM
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That's when I realized that most men can't be saved and don't deserved to be saved. I agree. Just save yourself. Still doesn't prevent me from grimacing watching someone being taken to the cleaners in divorce, or be the victim of a false harassment allegation.
/r/MGTOW202/12/20 11:09 AM
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In my opinion, disagreement is healthy (name-calling and insults are not, just to be perfectly clear). It prevents a group from becoming a cult. It is my sincere hope that we all learn to recognize that fellow participants here are completely different to us, and that we hardly have anything in common - heck some dudes are even married!
/r/MGTOW202/12/20 09:37 AM
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I agree toh red pill that women r waste of time n a man needs to chase success in life I agree that man needs to chase success in life. I agree with black pill as well that even if a man chase success n give his best effort there is a limit and he won't go further than that so overall it does seems pointless I agree, yes there's a limit but most people don't even reach that limit. I disagree that it's pointless. Always striving to be just a little bit better than yesterday, everyday, is tremendo…
/r/MGTOW202/12/20 09:26 AM
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What exactly do you agree with in the Red Pill and Black Pill?
/r/MGTOW202/12/20 06:55 AM
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There's nothing wrong with allowing the guys who are still in the red pill rage phase to voice their ideas. Completely agree!! I think there has been a misunderstanding. People don't mean that red pill rage is not okay and they shouldn't voice their opinion. It's that they shouldn't vent their red pill rage here. Mods are very clear that this forum is strictly to focus on yourself and your accomplishments once you've embraced MGTOW.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 05:57 PM
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Other (please comment) Men and women are different
/r/MensRights01/12/20 04:37 PM
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I hope others here can share their own mean of what positive for men here so we can develop in a healthy manner. I recognize that (almost all) others view me as disposable. Therefore it is my own responsibility to take care of myself and put my needs first.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 04:07 PM
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If thats the only thing this sub is about then why isnt called r/menselfimprovement instead? If we wish to argue technicalities, then I present that this sub is called MGTOW2, not MGTOW. More importantly, MGTOW is not "official". Arguments about what MGTOW is and isn't is purely academic. Yes thats why im asking the question to see what everybody else thinks about it. That's fair then. It appeared as if you were trying to create an us vs them mentality, which causes unnecessary divide. Why bothe…
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 03:41 PM
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Your interpretation of MGTOW, or my interpretation of MGTOW doesn't matter. What matters is what the mods say. They have made it very clear on multiple occasions that this forum is to focus on how your life has improved. Although in practice they are very permissive about what is allowed. Personally, I myself believe that understanding women is central to MGTOW - it's just the other side of The Red Pill. But I also understand that if I wish to participate in this forum, it's my responsibility to…
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 03:01 PM
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Seriously, TRP is not inconsistent ("a lie") but it is certainly incomplete. That is its real weakness. Therefore, red-pillers will rather seek to graduate to a complete system that encompasses and completely systematizes and balances red-pill concerns. As I have said before, the TRP theory is incomplete. It is not possible to organize your views solely around the TRP and still successfully achieve your private-life goals. Could you elaborate more about these?
/r/ExRedPill01/12/20 10:21 AM
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You pretend to be just as ignorant as them.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 09:17 AM
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Best wishes, mate. Your wisdom will be missed.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 07:14 AM
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Entitlement. It's not gendered. When you only compare yourself to those who have it better than you, and completely ignore the ones who have it worse. It's just that entitled man is likely to be told to go fuck himself, which is the correct response. But entitled women aka feminists are more likely to have their "concerns" addressed.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 02:48 AM
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What pisses me off is when Ninja was being a smart cookie and said he won't game with women, he got raked over the coals with it. What did these fucktards expect when they pull shit like this. Perhaps if he was a tad bit smarter, he would find an excuse everytime a woman wanted to co-op instead of straight up revealing he had a blanket rule against it.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 02:18 AM
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Depending on where you live, the law might already consider you married if you've been cohabiting for two years (common law marriage). So even if you break up, you might have to pay her monthly, especially since she doesn't have any income. Might as well enjoy while it lasts, in my opinion. Marriage and buying a property as a couple, both will dig you in deeper. If she gives you an ultimatum, there's nothing you can do, but it seems you have a happy life right now, so why bother changing it.
/r/MGTOW201/12/20 02:00 AM
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Develop an abundance mindset. Women can only manipulate you if you're either a slave to your dick, or afraid of her disapproval. When you live a fulfilled life regardless of whether you're with a woman or not, you're not afraid to walk away when she misbehaves. Needless to say, never get married because it legally prevents you from walking away on your terms.
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 05:14 PM
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You're not the first, nor will you be the last to discover that women can be just as evil as men, just with different motivations. And they are not special, just different. Thankfully because of the internet, men are finding out that they're not the only ones. PUA and TRP is just one manifestation.
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 09:08 AM
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You're not wrong. Plenty of men, myself included, have decided to eschew romantic relationships altogether. That's an individual decision. If you think they're hypocrites you're entitled to that opinion. But plenty of men also partake in the game of dating and short/long term relationships. So, it's up to you to choose what's representative of the MGTOW label, whatever that might be.
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 04:25 AM
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Your first mistake was to generalize across MGTOW. There is ZERO consensus about what MGTOW "actually" is. Everybody seems to have their own interpretation. MGTOW is just a label. I'd like to hope we try to avoid tribalism, and focus on the individual. So you think for yourself and make life choices accordingly. The more experienced men here just offering their opinion, and you're free to disagree. Let's not try to nail down what qualification one need to belong to or not belong to the tribe. Yo…
/r/MGTOW230/11/20 04:13 AM
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You live the MGTOW philosophy. Not talk about it. People will understand when they face the consequences.
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 12:48 PM
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It will look like the black community with 70% single motherhood.
/r/MGTOW229/11/20 12:45 PM
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I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm fucking awesome Which one is it? Is she not gonna lie, or is she awesome?
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/11/20 10:47 AM
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Other (describe so in comments) Red Pilled. Always looking out for alternative perspectives. Checked it out when it was mentioned on MGTOW. Found some comments to be exceedingly reasonable.
/r/ExRedPill28/11/20 02:39 AM
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My "MGTOW mindset" (for lack of a better word) is triggered whenever my sense of responsibility is called upon, but without offering any tangible benefit in return. "What about muh environment" I'll be happy to shift to green energy when it becomes economically viable. FOR ME. "What about muh animals" You're killing plants and bacteria and insects everyday. What makes them any different from muh animals? I have no moral qualms about killing animals, it's what nature intended. "What about muh ove…
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 02:25 AM
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Understanding how infatuation aka "romantic love" works, was quite possibly one of the most significant moments of my life.
/r/MGTOW228/11/20 01:45 AM
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Succinctly put. By refraining from romantic engagements, one can avoid 90% of the misandry of feminism. And enjoy the near infinite opportunities provided in modern society. Easier said than done, though.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 03:04 PM
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I'm thankful to be born in the era of unprecedented peace, prosperity, convenience, technology and freedom. Happy Thanksgiving.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 03:02 PM
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Happiness. Oh, what matters to women? Don't care.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 07:23 AM
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It's usually the other way round. What do you do once you realize that relationships are making you even more miserable.
/r/MGTOW226/11/20 03:01 AM
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Frankly, the best way to realize that women today are a waste of time is by actually getting into a relationship with one. Having said that, try to think about what you would be doing with your life if you were not attracted to women. Not sure if this actually helps, but I'm honestly beginning to sympathize with inexperienced men who have such an idealized view of relationships that they're willing to debase themselves.
/r/MGTOW225/11/20 09:47 AM
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Imagine having an easy life and still continuously bitching about how difficult you have it. That's the life of the modern woman. The real question is, do you really want an easy life, or do you want a purposeful and meaningful life? If you want to get a perspective of how easy your life today is, you are living better than the richest people fifty years ago.
/r/MensRights25/11/20 06:21 AM
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Science (evolution) is what gave me the most satisfactory answers regarding intersexual dynamics. I’ve begun to believe that there is some sort of innate trait or energy associated with women that serves them to take men down either directly or indirectly. It's not so much women as it is an innate property of men. One man can theoretically impregnate millions of women. Because of this, there is no incentive for women to bother with bottom 95% of males (in terms of genetic stock). The only hope o…
/r/MGTOW224/11/20 02:41 PM
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Probably the same reason women ask "why the hate against feminism". There are undoubtedly misogynistic elements in MGTOW. The difference is that feminism's misandry is enshrined in law.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 05:09 PM
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There is and will be stigma for a long time in my opinion. But if you don't care about others' opinion, it doesn't matter. I'm still waiting for technology to cross the uncanny valley (video games and VR will be first) before I spend thousands on a sex doll. I understand the logic when TFM says it's just a suspension of disbelief. But I'm still not capable of mental gymnastic like that, or maybe I'm just not thirsty enough yet.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 04:58 PM
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What you're looking for is some basic people skills including reading people, diplomacy and tact. It's not specific to MGTOW, and generally is learnt through experience. Keep in mind that women hate bluntness, which is exactly how men deal with each other. Unfortunately, a huge part of that is learning to lie as well or better than women. If you have moral qualms about lies, you're at a severe disadvantage.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 08:48 AM
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I just want to be happy, miss. I don't care to label my life philosophy. The MGTOW philosophy of individual responsibility and self respect resonates the most with me. On the contrary, all evidence suggests that feminism has never been about responsibility or even the individual, always trying to garner unearned privileges for the female collective whilst shifting responsibility and unwanted consequences onto the male collective. Your comment about the "original purpose" of feminism is lip servi…
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 08:31 AM
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Sex is important. It is a primal urge, and our lizard brains will take thousands of years to catch up with modern society. However, human beings are capable of overriding their biological instincts. Making sex the most important thing in your life (my interpretation of incel ideology) is a guarantee of unhappiness. At the end of the day, each individual can either choose to remain trapped with his animalistic instincts or choose to rise above it and create his own meaning for his life, with the …
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 07:23 AM
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Always pay off your credit card IN FULL every month. Since you've just started to earn money, personal finance basics are a necessity, something that is not taught to us. I recommend you invest a part of each day to learn about personal finance. No need for overly complicated investing advice. Just get hold of the basics first.
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 03:51 AM
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Careful, mate. You are in a vicious cycle that'll end at "Live? ... why bother". I strongly suggest you find something to live for. Not just survive. For me, I live for those few people in my life who genuinely care about me and want me to be happy. If life has no inherent meaning ("why bother"), then I can basically do whatever I want. There have been periods where I thought "but I don't want to do anything", but I just tried out some different things to see if something stuck and I'd like to d…
/r/MGTOW223/11/20 03:43 AM
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When I hear about how women say men are cowards these days, they're afraid of women, afraid of marriage and afraid of female empowerment, I just think to myself: Yep, you've won. Have a nice day! And go and enjoy my life by myself.
/r/MGTOW222/11/20 06:22 PM
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Are there any tips for a profile that will allow men to get past the looks and into who I am? Her obesity is a pretty good indication of "who I am", and it's not who she thinks she is. It galls me that even unattractive women are completely deluded about their personality (lack thereof).
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen22/11/20 06:18 PM
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Guess I'm not MGTOW then. But the MGTOW police will have to pry my membership card from my cold dead hands! /s Seriously, if I had a dollar everytime someone tries to impose their view of what is a "real" MGTOW, I would be able to afford to get divorce raped.
/r/MGTOW222/11/20 03:33 AM
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So I am asking: is it really not possible to marry or have a girlfriend to have a fulfilled life or can't you do both Cannot disprove a negative, so let's assume yes you can marry or have a girlfriend and nothing bad will happen. You're looking for the TheRedPill or MarriedRedPill subreddit. MGTOW as it's basis is "no marriage, no cohabitation" so I don't think you'll find many in favour of your viewpoint, myself included. Having said that, it's your life, your decision, your responsibility, you…
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 11:16 AM
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Masculinity is being expanded to a more loving space "And if you disagree with me you're just a hateful misogynistic incel!" Oh damn, so much love.
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 09:05 AM
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To me, MGTOW is about individual responsibility, not collective. It's acknowledgment of the fact that noone cares about you so you have to. And find the inner strength to accept this, and take care of your needs yourself instead of expecting help. Unfortunately, many men are incapable of finding this inner light, instead choosing to always look outwards (to women) to find a solution. In the current environment, these men inevitably become statistics. The MRM tries to shoulder the responsibility …
/r/MGTOW220/11/20 04:06 AM
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My view on women's objection to prostitution is in line with what Esthar Vilar had suggested in The Manipulated Man, except that instead of disgust, my opinion is that women are frustrated that the institution of prostitution threatens to undercut their market. Simply put, prostitution enables a man to obtain what he wants from a woman for a nominal fee, instead of essentially transferring all his wealth in the form of marriage divorce. I like to think of marriage as what is considered as the "p…
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre19/11/20 08:23 PM
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Insofar as MGTOW2 is a community, if the community has helped you reach a place of peace and acceptance such that you feel you have nothing more to gain from the community, I'd say that's a great thing. There seems to be a constant influx of new members - not sure what the growth is, having not kept track of the statistics - and it's great that the experienced members are always available to share their advice and opinions. Ultimately, I think MGTOW has done it's job if each individual is able t…
/r/MGTOW218/11/20 01:53 PM
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Bored of being single Image a man saying "bored of jacking off by myself, looking for someone special".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/11/20 03:00 PM
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Women are strong and independent and can take care of themselves. Men need to stop helping women for free.
/r/MGTOW217/11/20 07:23 AM
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I believe the technology is already here - sex dolls, AI waifu, anime waifus. Its only going to get better. I think what remains in a psychological/cultural shift for normalization. Men still have a very idealized view of women and relationships. As more and more women get on the "don't need no man" train I think this shift will happen automatically. Men will realize it's just not worth it, especially with the other options available.
/r/MGTOW217/11/20 07:21 AM
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Who's this JLP? I can understand the logic behind the statement, but disagree that that's a solution. But before dismissing it outright I'd like to dig deeper.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 04:50 AM
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Do they? I'm not so sure. That kind of old fashioned dating is dead. Now it's either 50-50 or pay alternately or some arrangement like that. I know entitled women expect guys to shower them with gifts and such, so yes guys who do that are treated as betas. Stay away from women who expect princess treatment. A woman either appreciates being treated well, or feels entitled to it, and it's important to know the difference if you're still playing the dating game. And yes, you'll realize the vast maj…
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 04:44 AM
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What destroyed dating? Science, technological advancements and the resulting prosperity. I used to blame feminism, but I'm starting to realize that feminism is a symptom and not the cause.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 02:57 AM
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Or should we ignore facts ? Did you not get the memo? /s
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 02:19 AM
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Dunno man, I've found it's perfectly acceptable to go dutch at least on the first date. I think if she expects you to treat her to an extravagance and pay it yourself (see FDS) she views you as a provider (beta). At that point it's already a lost cause imo.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 02:07 AM
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Masturbation and porn can get out of hand (no pun intended) very easily, and you may find yourself wasting a significant portion of your day. However, repressing it also has consequences. As with everything in life, it's all about balance. I just quickly rub one out when I feel so horny that it's distracting. Otherwise, I ignore it and choose not to waste my time.
/r/MGTOW214/11/20 02:01 AM
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I don't think they think their life is more important, rather they think that being single is lonely. At least that's what my family used to think, before they realized that I'm enjoying life.
/r/MGTOW213/11/20 02:37 PM
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Mate, it looks like you know the potential risks you are undertaking. If you think the rewards of fatherhood outweigh the risk, go for it, and I wish you the best.
/r/MGTOW213/11/20 08:57 AM
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I can't foresee specifically what feminists might come up with, but I'm hopeful that men will always find a way to safeguard themselves. MGTOW (avoiding marriage or cohabitation) arose as a response to no-fault divorce and the gynocentrism of the family court. Pence Rule was devised as a means of protecting yourself in the workplace. Men have had their right to due process completely stripped away in university. They are choosing alternate avenues, dropping out, getting a job or going to trade s…
/r/MGTOW212/11/20 05:58 PM
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Pretty sure the "no marriage no cohabitation" rule is in response to laws installed by feminism. But considering that every individual seems to have his own definition of what MGTOW is, it's purely academic. However, it's pretty clear that the MGTOW label has a very misogynistic connotation for those outside the Red Pill spaces, and that was my point. The same does not hold for "herbivore men" in Japan.
/r/MGTOW212/11/20 12:50 PM
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I'm sure, however, that if he'd thrown in the word "MGTOW", the comments would be vastly different! This is why I assert that women don't have a problem with men who choose to remain single. They only have a problem if the men blame women and/or feminism as the reason they want to remain single (to however degree that might be legitimate) As for the realization of how great bachelor life is, I think men will appreciate that only once the pain of being in a relationship becomes greater than the p…
/r/MGTOW212/11/20 06:19 AM
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Stop believing what women say they want (or don't want). Literally the first Red Pill.
/r/MGTOW212/11/20 04:07 AM
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Can't find the video, but I found what I consider to be a very powerful perspective. Feminism (and cultural Marxism in general) is preventing us from focusing on Real Shit, like getting to Mars and building robots and AI. Extrapolating this to the personal realm, I've realized the correct response is to ignore these feminists and focus on your mission. (However, I also think it's important to keep abreast of the latest attacks on men, to always adopt strategies to avoid any legal entanglements)
/r/MGTOW211/11/20 04:01 PM
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I joined MGTOW MGTOW is not a cult, movement, religion, community etc. It is important to resist our innate proclivity for tribal identity. It's every man for himself, at the end of the day. They'll come for MGTOW by claiming it to be a hategroup and whatever else they can come up with. Don't sacrifice yourself in an attempt to save the tribe.
/r/MGTOW211/11/20 11:59 AM
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I just want the male version of me If that were true, she would go for that boring dude with a useless college degree, no personality and no future prospects.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/11/20 06:10 AM
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Actions like this will just give more ammo to feminists to take men's rights away. It's not in men's hands anymore, just enjoy your freedom while it lasts mate.
/r/MGTOW210/11/20 04:58 PM
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If you don't agree with that, you're disrespecting yourself by thinking of yourself as a list of things rather than as a person. While I generally agree with the post, I think it's important to separate your inherent worth as a human being, from your relationship worth. Women make this mistake, and conflate their lack of desirability to men with a rejection of their basic humanity. Insofar as "unconditional love" actually exists, only you are capable of loving yourself, since you don't have the …
/r/MGTOW210/11/20 04:50 AM
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Step 1 was realizing that most people are in your life only for what you can do for them. Step 2 is learning to recognize the ones that genuinely care about you. It's good that you have learnt the hard way to be suspicious of someone's intentions. But don't let it make you bitter and lose faith in humanity. Those "friends" and women are not out to get you. They just don't care about you unless you're useful to them.
/r/MGTOW209/11/20 09:24 AM
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They'll realize it when they're "finally ready to settle down". And obviously they'll blame men for not wanting to marry the town bicycle. Very predictable pattern.
/r/MGTOW209/11/20 07:24 AM
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Most men are invisible to women. MGTOW need to take advantage of that fact - and other aspects of female nature - instead of complaining about it.
/r/MGTOW209/11/20 03:31 AM
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Oh no, men will be vilified, discriminated against, and shamed. Oh wait, nothing's changed. Nevermind.
/r/MGTOW208/11/20 01:02 PM
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As far as society is concerned, any man that doesn't believe in "women are perfect" is a male supremacist.
/r/MGTOW208/11/20 11:56 AM
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Never get married. Problem nipped in the butt bud.
/r/MGTOW208/11/20 05:18 AM
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I suppose it depends on how you define a friendship. I regard anyone that I enjoy spending time with to be a "friend", which bumps them up from being just an "acquaintance". I have female friends online via shared gaming interests. I have friends via family, and other friends. Having said that, I recognize that friendship with women is inherently different to friendship with men.
/r/MGTOW207/11/20 09:44 AM
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UBI only for women? Uh doc ... I have gender dysphoria.
/r/MGTOW206/11/20 07:14 AM
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You've either temporarily or permanently lost that friend. He's shown you in no uncertain terms what his priorities are, it's time you de-prioritize him.
/r/MGTOW206/11/20 02:56 AM
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Not really. I knew they were going to monkey branch eventually anyway, so I just focused on enjoying it while it lasted.
/r/MGTOW205/11/20 02:06 PM
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Feminists assume that if men started behaving like women, it would solve all their problems. What helps me the most whenever I'm down is to get together with bros and have a beer. Don't need to fucking dissect our feeling in miniscule detail. It's just knowing my buddies are there for me.
/r/MGTOW205/11/20 09:34 AM
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all women simply just have unfair expectations Genuine desire cannot be negotiated. Women are attracted to who they're attracted to, and not only is it not in your control, it is not even in their control. Does anyone have any ideas on how to get around this Perhaps you should peruse, and more importantly apply, the contents of The Red Pill sidebar.
/r/MGTOW204/11/20 05:02 PM
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How old were you when you started, and how long have you been going your own way? I decided at 22 to never get married. A decade hence, haven't looked back. Life couldn't be better. What convinced you it was no longer worth it? The realization that "relationship" and "commitment" had become meaningless words in our culture.
/r/MGTOW204/11/20 07:57 AM
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Guy wanted a relationship but not with me Women starting to know what the friendzone feels like for men. Hopefully, she'll realize soon that she's only "empathic", "funny" and whatever else she thinks she is, because she opens her legs easily.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/11/20 04:30 AM
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Depends on your definition of "decent". Apparently, TRP concepts can be applied in marriage as well (see MRP) But essentially, expecting a 50's style marriage is not "totally valid tho". Gotta acknowledge the reality in the present, instead of dreaming about the past.
/r/MGTOW203/11/20 06:27 PM
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The resentment goes away once you understand that it was your expectations that was the problem, not women. The Red Pill gives us a framework of how the game is played. The resentment stems from the fact that we were taught to play the game such that we'd already lose.
/r/MGTOW203/11/20 06:18 PM
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There's a Hindi MGTOW channel on YouTube - The Indian Bachelor. Perhaps he might be better suited to help you out, in terms of cultural context. Personally, the only Indian MGTOW I know are all NRI only. And no wonder, with a divorce rate of 2% !!
/r/MGTOW203/11/20 01:15 PM
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Yes, it's okay to have standards. Even if I don't think it's okay, you shouldn't care about my opinion anyway. However, men having standards is considered "misogyny". You have been warned. Personally, if I actually had any standards, I would just keep it to myself, instead of antagonizing the hive mind unnecessarily.
/r/MGTOW202/11/20 05:23 PM
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I've observed this whenever me and friends get together to watch sports. If it's just the guys, it's the usual banter, bickering and leg pulling camaraderie. If female friends are included, the peacocking starts, and everybody's trying to be the center of attention, trying to be as funny as possible and trying their best to entertain the girls. More frustrating is the fact that we have to police ourselves so as to not offend the "delicate sensibilities" of the ladies. Even if the women don't min…
/r/MGTOW202/11/20 06:34 AM
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To never take anyone for granted.
/r/MGTOW202/11/20 02:32 AM
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any tips for a MGTOW lifestyle without friends? Unless you've already spent a considerable time living alone without friends, I'd advise against it. In my opinion, romantic relationships are unnecessary, not friendships and family. If you don't have any friends you'll fall into the mistaken belief that getting into a relationship will help alleviate your loneliness. I suggest look to make friends and try to become closer with family members who appreciate you, to address your need for emotional …
/r/MGTOW201/11/20 12:27 PM
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Take advantage of it. Love yourself and live a life that you absolutely love. Go your own way and make no excuses. Hear hear. No compromises. No sacrifices to make others happy. If the deal doesn't benefit, walk away without guilt.
/r/MGTOW201/11/20 09:58 AM
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Humans are also not suited to live in groups larger than 300. Human ingenuity has created a society where millions of people are living in one place. Our ancestors realized that enforcing monogamy - via culture, religion and laws - creates the best environment for child rearing. Children are the future of the civilization. Feminism has done a wonderful job of eroding responsibilities from women. It is time for men to do the same, and put their self interest first. Spin plates, go on sex tour, ge…
/r/MGTOW231/10/20 07:31 AM
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Monogamy is dead. When you already know she will monkey branch at some point, you can just focus on enjoying your turn.
/r/MGTOW231/10/20 04:05 AM
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How dare you talk to a woman like that Yeah, dude made a pretty big mistake thinking he was talking to an adult.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/20 06:30 PM
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Stacy looked down because she knew that she'd been beat. Ya got me there, not gonna lie.
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre30/10/20 04:34 PM
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Quite the opposite, actually. I've found women do not take rejection well at all, and are likely to hold a grudge or create a scene. Best to avoid such situations (when it's like a colleague or friend), or find an excuse to escape immediately (when it's a stranger).
/r/MGTOW230/10/20 03:50 PM
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find some hot but unsuitable for relationship guy to fuck on the side They reward the "unsuitable for relationship" guys, then wonder why guys are unsuitable for relationships these days. Women are a comedy show. "Oh but the side dude isn't getting any relationship benefits" The "special" guy gets to enjoy her flowery personality (complaining about what happened in the TV show recently), and amazing sense of humor (degrading comments masked by a smile or "just kidding" at the end). While the sid…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen30/10/20 02:24 PM
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I was waiting for sex dolls to look like real women. Turns out real women are starting to look like sex dolls.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen29/10/20 04:37 PM
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Finding the MGTOW communities has surprisingly sparked an interest in me, for politics, culture, religion, philosophy and macroeconomics. I'm just enjoying the show instead of being consumed by it. So perhaps (trying to) remain de-attached might help.
/r/MGTOW229/10/20 12:29 PM
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I agree with you. My personal opinion is that MGTOW and TRP are two sides of the same coin. TRP/MRP shows us what it takes to attract and (attempt to) keep a woman in this age of female empowerment, and MGTOW decide to quit the game while TRP decide to risk it. So it important to keep abreast of the "enemy's" tactics. Having said that, mod here regularly tries to establish his intended direction for this sub - that it is primarily to focus on what you've been doing with your life once you've rea…
/r/MGTOW229/10/20 10:13 AM
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Thoughts? Isn’t this what they wanted? No, they wanted this from the guy who gives them tingles. Not from a loser who they were never attracted to in the first place. Dude thinks he "lost" his love, never had it in the first place. It's important for men to recognize when a woman sees them as an alpha or a beta.
/r/MGTOW229/10/20 06:51 AM
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I think a lot of it is coming to terms with the fact that there are things that affect you that you have no control over. What helped me, in all aspects of life, is to have an inner focus of control. So in every adverse situation, including situations when I was feeling aggrieved, annoyed, worried or angry, instead of asking "what can I do to change the situation" I ask myself "what can I change about myself to handle this situation better" I've found that once you approach a situation in a clea…
/r/MGTOW229/10/20 05:00 AM
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Does it not? Is not individuality, the ability to state your own opinion regardless of whether it goes against the grain?
/r/MGTOW228/10/20 04:52 PM
4

Out of curiosity, what is your view of a MGTOW community? One of the things I've come to appreciate about MGTOW communities, not just this one, is the sheer diversity of opinion. So at no point do I expect, even if I post here, any sort of agreement or conformity.
/r/MGTOW228/10/20 04:47 PM
1

When you realize that it can be used to control you, to make you do what they want. And once you're no longer useful ...
/r/MGTOW228/10/20 10:20 AM
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This woman's projection gives us a great insight into how she views men. Women are not your property "I will treat you like my property, to be used as desired and ignored otherwise" You are not entitled to our company "I expect you to be available at a moment's notice when I desire it, and stay away when I say so" We do not exist to make you better, or happier, or more complete "You exist to make me better, happier and more complete. Otherwise your existence is unjustified" We are allowed to lea…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/10/20 07:26 AM
3

"Prepare for the worst, hope for the best"
/r/MGTOW228/10/20 12:12 AM
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Mate, as long as she didn't take half your shit when she left, I'd say you came out ahead. Cherish the time you spent together, and wish the best for her. As you said yourself - it was just your turn.
/r/MGTOW227/10/20 12:36 PM
14

There's a difference between hatred, indifference, and "protecting".
/r/MGTOW227/10/20 09:16 AM
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The only answer to feminism is misogyny Yeah ... no. Hard pass for me.
/r/MGTOW227/10/20 07:44 AM
6

If this subreddit is too bland for extremists and too extreme for mainstream, then it's perfect!
/r/MGTOW227/10/20 04:49 AM
1

If you have a dream that you have a burning passion to pursue, for which you want to spend as much time as possible, only in that situation should you pursue this approach of only working for as much time as you need to support yourself. Otherwise, work atleast a standard forty hour week and save as much as you can, so that you always have a safety net when hard times hit. And keep remaining time for your hobbies. By the sound of it, you fall in the second bucket, who doesn't really have anythin…
/r/MGTOW226/10/20 01:04 PM
12

Kids aren't baggage. She is.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/10/20 11:22 AM
11

Toxic femininity has mostly been swept under the rug for most of history because men had authority over the women in their lives. In the age of feminism, women's capacity for aggression - whether passive or overt - is apparent to those who have direct experience of it. With the advent of social media, men are now able to share their stories and find that it wasn't just them. It's my hope that in the next few decades the "women are wonderful" effect will slowly wear off.
/r/MGTOW226/10/20 08:34 AM
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Here's the way I think about it. PUA/RP coaches promise to make your unemployed ass into a CEO. However what you can realistically expect is to get a decent job. They make a lot of their content available for free for anyone who can benefit from it. Fat people blame McDonald's for their obesity. Do you think McDonald's should take responsibility or should the fat people stop eating there? My point is: people need to think for themselves, instead of hoping there's an easy answer and a "coach" wil…
/r/MGTOW226/10/20 04:10 AM
11

I always wonder how the divorce rate in India is so astonishingly low, despite being consistently voted as one of the most gynocentric countries. Perhaps the women are just smarter at keeping their infidelity hidden. Or perhaps they're just not aware of the laws. There's a law which allows the wife to file some dowry allegation (or threaten to, to blackmail the husband's family), which will immediately put the husband and his family in jail.
/r/MGTOW225/10/20 04:30 PM
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Women loathe the low standards men have for sex and relationships but ignore the fact they have benefitted from those low standards. AF/BB seems to apply in all aspects of life. Women loathe beta males in general, but they want alpha males to lower their standards. The body positivity crap is not for beta males, it should be obvious. At best, the low status males are utilities, to be used when required otherwise ignored. At worst, they're either invisible or actively treated with hostility and s…
/r/MGTOW225/10/20 11:47 AM
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How those of you guys who feel this way deal with it ? I think about the horror stories of how kids are being indoctrinated into radical ideology in school these days. How they're being made into useful idiots for the communist agenda by teaching them alternate versions of history and teaching them fiction as if it's history. I think about how if I was unfortunate enough to have a boy, he would needlessly suffer in an increasingly misandric society. How boys are treated as inferior versions of g…
/r/MGTOW224/10/20 06:08 PM
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Funny how women can have these "standards" but men can't This is not news for MGTOW. MGTOW itself is a prime example of how men that reject women, who dare to say No, dare to walk away, are believed to be bitter, resentful, angry incels. Because if it were not so, then women would have look to themselves as the problem. Can't have that.
/r/MGTOW224/10/20 07:19 AM
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Yep, experience is the best way to kill the desire for relationships. Now if only there was a way to kill sexual desire. When at home, it's a fifteen minute job, but when I'm outside, it's a fucking annoying distraction.
/r/MGTOW223/10/20 12:48 PM
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it is implied that future spouses value virginity over personality, character, humor, interests ... you know, the things you're supposed to care about when picking a spouse. If dudes valued personality and shit above virginity in a spouse, they'd go and marry a dude. Women have no idea how valuable their pussy is, that they actually think guys are with them for their "personality" and shitty sense of humor. No wonder these women are shocked that guys make for the door after nutting.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/10/20 09:53 AM
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Looks like you're stuck in a mental situation which will cause you pain regardless of what you do. I only hope you have some loved ones who you can spend time with. I think most of the problems with loneliness is caused by our belief that a relationship will solve all our problems, when in fact it's the other way round. So I can only suggest that you try to reach out to friends and family (those that matter), and try to work on your mental state of mind.
/r/MGTOW223/10/20 08:04 AM
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It's great that MGTOW philosophy has helped you become more assertive. However, becoming assertive has nothing to do with MGTOW (marriage and other gynocentric laws).
/r/MGTOW222/10/20 07:13 AM
5

Sixty years of female choice has created women who men would rather not even fuck.
/r/MGTOW222/10/20 04:00 AM
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Men's suffering is completely invisible to feminists women. One of the aspects of the Red Pill I've had the most difficulty coming to grasp with, is the fact that your sacrifice, everything you do is not going to be appreciated. No, it's totally expected for you to sacrifice yourself, nay even demanded. Where are all the good men? They've realized that they don't have any rights in marriage, and the burden of responsibility that's placed on them is completely unnoticed, and are choosing to walk …
/r/WhereAllTheGoodMenAre22/10/20 03:14 AM
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I think both sexes have their blind spots. I had a falling out with a very good friend when I tried to explain that his "girlfriend" was using him. A month later, he called me up to have a beer and rant about cheating whores. It's just that, women never hold each other accountable. As a man, it's a complete waste of energy.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 03:54 PM
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Personally, I agree with you that limiting engagement with women solves (or rather sidestep) a lot of issues. But if I actually saw any hope in the MRM, I would also be fully in support of them. So I think the difference between MRA and MGTOW is the fundamental belief that the system can be changed or not.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 11:53 AM
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so gynocentrism is not all due to women being gatekeepers of sex and reproduction and I believe otherwise I think it's not black and white. There's at least two perspectives to this. Boko Haram kidnapped a bunch of girls, and it made national news. Hidden behind it was the dark fact that they killed all the boys. Nobody gave a shit about that. This is one form of gynocentrism and I believe this is what the activist you were talking to probably had in mind. The other perspective, is that we are c…
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 10:59 AM
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Yes, but moving forward, women are trying to take charge by forcing their way in. My point is that instead of rooting for them to fail, I'm kinda hoping they can do a good job. Unfortunately so far the evidence suggests otherwise. Instead of creating value, they are more focussed on taking from men.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 04:13 AM
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I think 90% of the despair and bitterness in lonely men comes from expectations I've been thinking about this, about the fact that for some men the Red Pill, the realization that society doesn't give a shit about you, has driven them into deeper depression instead of liberating them. I think the cause is a lack of tangible friendships. In lieu of people who care about you, we try to compensate by gaining social status and sacrificing our goals. I consider myself lucky that shortly after coming t…
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 04:08 AM
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This needs to come under the jurisdiction of criminal courts. The family court system is at the forefront of feminism's attack on men.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 03:56 AM
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In the world of sexual dynamics, everyone's experience is entirely subjective. That's why I think most men only learn by personal experience. We all have thought, that won't happen to me. Of course, we've reached a stage where we are seeing men we know become statistics and so many anecdotes shared on the internet, the evidence is irrefutable. Still, it takes a concerted effort to try to think impartially.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 03:53 AM
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Saving this post!
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 03:45 AM
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Nice meme. But I kinda hope that the cupcakes learn to take responsibility. It's obvious women are going to force their way into positions of power, so I can only hope they do a good job, because I kinda enjoy living in modern society. On the other hand, I'm watching how the women-dominated team at my job, who won the "diversity award" is struggling to get anything done, and has to constantly ask for assistance from other teams.
/r/MGTOW221/10/20 03:42 AM
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Don't know how old you are but I must admit I've never encountered such hostility from women. The only time they got really upset was when I criticized feminism. Have learnt my lesson since.
/r/MGTOW220/10/20 07:26 PM
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I feel so attacked. /s
/r/MGTOW220/10/20 06:14 PM
1

Perhaps you might get some information over at r/MensRights
/r/MGTOW220/10/20 09:36 AM
2

It was just your turn. I empathize that you might be feeling let down, but I think this situation was a win. You got laid for a while and didn't have to part with your net worth once she decided to move on. Honestly, can't ask for more these days. Monogamy and long term relationships are dead.
/r/MGTOW220/10/20 04:08 AM
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I think some people don't understand what a collapse scenario entails. Turd Flinging Monkey addresses this perfectly Yes, patriarchy will be restored. Yes, women will submit to men. However, YOU won't be alive then. If you don't have a no-go zone, they will kill you first, and then starve to death.
/r/MGTOW220/10/20 03:19 AM
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Have you looked at trp.red (formerly r/TheRedPill)?
/r/MGTOW220/10/20 03:10 AM
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So completely dominated by her emotions that she feels compelled to somehow use psychological tactics on herself to change her feelings, for better outcomes. It's like she's trapped in another's body. Now I understand why women are able to say shit like "I accidentally had sex with him" with a straight face.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/10/20 08:15 PM
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It's just that I'm at a point in my life where I don't want to share my body or my time with someone who doesn't want to build something with me The realization that sex was the only thing she could offer, because all the other guys weren't interested in her "personality" once they got their nut. And the only way she was going to get someone to "build something together" was by bribing him with the promise of "share my body".
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/10/20 08:03 PM
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I believe that feminism did not corrupt millions of years of mindset in 5 decades. Very good point. I was also introduced to a new perspective on feminism recently and find that I agree with it. That it's just how women are adapting (very quickly) to a post-industrialized world where they are not dependent on men (if we disregard the Marxist elements). It is upto men to adapt as well. I think there are two options - MGTOW or TRP/MRP. It's easy to suggest that MGTOW is the easy option, but observ…
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 02:41 PM
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This is a tried and tested system and I wish you the best with your goals. Personally, I only had financial goals. But I found that having a deadline stressed me out. For example, I wanted to buy a house within three years. I had the down payment ready well before the deadline but as the deadline approached it got more and more stressful. So I just keep my goals open ended. My only financial goal remaining is financial independence. Otherwise, I take a time division approach to my life. I consid…
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 08:17 AM
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This is just my opinion, but it makes evolutionary sense that both men and women have no empathy for a man's suffering. From a man's perspective, a fellow man suffering or dying is advantageous to him in terms of access to women. Less competition so to speak. From a woman's perspective, a man who is suffering or dying is by definition a low status man, and not worth wasting tears on. Better to have that set of genes taken out of the gene pool. Empathy is a luxury only afforded in a society that …
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 07:32 AM
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I agree. My point is not that a matriarchy is sustainable. My point is that as women gain more and more power they will install policies for their benefit without any care whether it adversely affects the low-status men, because they are completely invisible.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 05:59 AM
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You misunderstand. I don't give a shit about reproductive success. Historically only 40% of men have succeeded in passing on their genes. Women view the majority of men as sub-human. To them only fellow women and top 20% of men actually exist. Worst case scenario, in a society controlled by women, "the male population will be culled to about 10% of the population". I don't remember which feminist said this but I don't think for one minute she was joking.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 05:32 AM
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And interestingly, suddenly genes (rather than "environmental or socio-economic factors") are the most important thing to these women who want sperm to make babies with. Women are natural perpetrators of eugenics. And now they're gaining power in society. The future looks bleak for the bottom 80% of men.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 03:11 AM
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he shares his opinion that MGTOW are simply risk-averse, and how it's men's job to take risks for the good of society (roughly.) Everybody has a plan for your life, and they don't care what yours is Turd Flinging Monkey Ignore these people.
/r/MGTOW219/10/20 03:03 AM
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Sure it is. Just say "Yes mom", "You're right mom", "Ok" and it ends the conversation.
/r/MGTOW218/10/20 11:52 AM
2

Why not just avoid them? I've found women leave you well enough alone, if you do the same. They'll bother you if they want something from you, though. So at a minimum I think the skill of lying or making excuses is useful.
/r/MGTOW218/10/20 11:16 AM
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I would just pretend to be as shocked as him.
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 06:46 PM
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"Whaddya mean 'what do you bring to the table?' I AM the table!!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen17/10/20 10:58 AM
1

1)Honestly if some politicians managed to repeal the anti-male divorce laws will anyone of you reconsider the idea of long-term monogamous marriage? Yes. I've never bought into the "love" nonsense. Women have something I want (sex, kids, family) and I'm willing to make a trade agreement (which is essentially my view of what marriage is). The question is: is what I have to offer, enough for a woman to accept this trade deal? Or in other words, am I willing or capable of performing at the level at…
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 10:04 AM
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You have very cleverly put forth your definition of "red Pill" and I find the rest of your perspective entirely consistent with that. Seeing as how I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion, I shall simply put forth mine instead of trying to change your mind. At this point, Red Pill, Blue Pill, Black Pill, White Pill, Purple Pill, PUA, MGTOW etc have just become convenient labels to encapsulate a set of underlying beliefs. I agree with you the Red Pill metaphor originally (in The Matrix mo…
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 07:39 AM
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Spoiler alert! Women have always just pretended to love a man (excepting apex males ofcourse), to get access to his resources/lifestyle. It's just that before no-fault divorce, they had to keep up the ruse for the entirety of married life. I think it's highly unreasonable to call them 'chameleons'. It shows that you actually think they were somehow different before. The only thing different before was the laws and the culture. The parasites are just trying to find a way to have easier access to …
/r/MGTOW217/10/20 05:34 AM
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"Because so few women have started their own business and built it into a large corporation, it should be assumed that women are not capable unless proven otherwise"
/r/MensRights16/10/20 07:58 PM
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Trust me your time will come in when all the girls change from wanting that to wanting a stable family ... and find there is nobody standing in line.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/10/20 04:03 PM
5

Why do you care?
/r/MGTOW216/10/20 03:42 PM
1

Russia, China, Vietnam, Cuba and Venezuela wasn't TRUE communism, you see. The 100 million dead people would beg to differ, I believe.
/r/MensRights16/10/20 12:18 PM
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while i agree with most, if not all the issues on this sub and the difficulties men face, it doesn't quite compare to the issues that women face I'm not denying men's issues or trying to say that mens issues are less important Yep, TRUE feminist. I've always found it ironic that it's not the MRM that view it as a competition between men's and women's issues.
/r/MensRights16/10/20 11:32 AM
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Recognize that rights come with responsibility. The way in which men are oppressed today is by enforcing responsibility without giving them any rights eg. "my body my choice" but he has to pay he has no choice.
/r/MensRights16/10/20 05:18 AM
1

That's ... his username?
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 07:22 PM
3

Netscape Navigator? Well, I can see you speak from experience.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 06:22 PM
2

Keep in mind that men don’t know for sure that you’re attracted to them they assume it I might not be as well-versed in TRP, but this is probably why you escalate at the first possibility, to weed out genuine attraction from pretense. Sure there might be some LMR but if she's not into you she's not into you. Hos understand and turn that desire into currency. As can be witnessed by the proliferation of the e-thot industry.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 05:46 PM
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It's a female supremacy movement.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 05:23 PM
3

I agree there are some options, but I wanted to keep my post short and sweet. To be specific, I wanted the Blue Pill dream of marriage and kids, be part of a good strong community, and essentially devote my life to raising my kids (in partnership with wife) to become valuable members of society, my legacy so to speak. Gave up this dream over a decade ago. Haven't regretted it, watching how the culture has degraded and become positively hostile towards the nuclear family. I've since become an ant…
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 04:26 PM
9

Would you rather not have children? (instead of risking divorce rape) Yes, I would rather choose the less painful option, and sacrifice my desire for children. I shall instead channel my paternal love towards nephews, nieces, pets and other close family and friends.
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 03:30 PM
1

Reason why I don't agree with most of MGTOW is that it can be highlighting too many problems of women like nagging and all, when all can be dealt with by gaming them. This is a very interesting point, and I find myself agreeing with it. The only problem still is - yeah most cheat. How do you reconcile this with your support for monogamy (which is what I assume you mean by LTR)? Not trying to contest, but genuinely curious what your stance is regarding LTRs viz a vis women's proclivity towards in…
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 07:23 AM
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Very important point. Your fellow man is more likely to throw you under the bus than any feminist. This is why I've always maintained that MGTOW is not a collective. MGTOW is just an arbitrary label, and I stand ready to divorce myself (no pun intended) from it at any point. We can't afford this shit. If MGTOW has to retain an online presence ... With all due respect to Colttaine, this kind of attitude is very idealistic, to think that men won't turn on each other. In fact, I'd go the other way …
/r/MGTOW215/10/20 05:43 AM
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It's not fault and maybe we shouldn't blame her I understand you need to believe that women are not responsible for their actions, to be able to move on. But it's this exact attitude that allows misandry to go unchallenged.
/r/MGTOW214/10/20 01:03 PM
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I just wish people in general would stop treating MGTOW and incels in a derogatory manner They'll keep doing it as long as you show you're affected by it. It's up to you to stop caring about what people who don't give a shit about you, think.
/r/MGTOW214/10/20 10:11 AM
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I feel like I’m extremely insignificant in society. I can empathize with this sentiment, so allow me to share my perspective, for what it's worth - "those who judge don't matter and those who matter don't judge" At one point, I realized that nobody gives a shit about me. They were with me only for what I could do for them. So I stopped caring about anybody. However, in these dark times I found there were some people who still hung around, who apparently really cared about my well-being and all t…
/r/MensRights14/10/20 09:15 AM
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Wish there was a way to annul the marriage contract because it was entered into upon false premises. Nah, she's gonna get half his shit no matter what, isn't she? And they wonder why men are checking out.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/10/20 05:03 PM
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I was pointing out the equivalence between your post and how blue pilled cucks try to project their own definition of "true happiness" onto others. But I guess the easy available insult blinded you to that point.
/r/MGTOW213/10/20 03:57 PM
1

"True happiness is in faith and God" Sounds suspiciously like "True happiness is being in a relationship with the right partner" I've found my own definition of true happiness, thank you very much.
/r/MGTOW213/10/20 11:09 AM
10

I see it as no different to "dating" a woman who pretends to be into you, but won't fuck because she's "not that kind of girl". Men are so desperate to believe a woman loves them, that basic pretense is sufficient. After that, a thinly veiled excuse for why she needs the money is enough to convince the simp that he's supporting a good cause.
/r/MGTOW213/10/20 05:09 AM
1

Bro, recognize this is your Bipolar talking. Try to ride this phase out, buddy. You have been doing so well, it'd be a shame to quit now.
/r/MGTOW213/10/20 03:41 AM
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I used to consider it a point of pride when women said I was "boyfriend/husband material". But I've realized that when a woman thinks of you as a provider, it's the beginning of the end. She will have sex not to please you, but as a carrot which she will dangle in front of you or withdraw, to control you.
/r/MGTOW213/10/20 03:38 AM
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... he would be fighting for his relationship and trying to understand why she felt she had to go to other men This is funny because if he understood women, he would do the opposite of "fighting for his relationship", move on and immediately start banging other chicks with zero guilt.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen12/10/20 04:21 PM
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"Dating" is dead. Today's dating culture is "she's not yours, it's just your turn". what we should do about it? Depends on what outcomes you want. If you want to get laid, imo TRP is the best resource available. Current culture does not support long-term monogamous relationship with marriage and kids. So the only way forward is to give up this dream. If you're talking about changing the culture, then The TFM Show podcast has the most reasonable solution - reinstituting patriarchy i.e. restrictin…
/r/MGTOW212/10/20 07:19 AM
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I kinda agree and disagree with this statement at the same time. I think that this society is the best that has ever been. Unprecedented prosperity, freedom and convenience. Unfortunately with prosperity comes entitlement, the main example of which is feminism. I'm starting to think that you can't have one without the other. A ray of hope is that because of the information available on the internet, and the apparent dating difficulties today, some young men are deciding to find alternate paths t…
/r/MGTOW212/10/20 07:02 AM
1

What exactly is the Black Pill philosophy? I'm getting conflicting opinions. Some say it's the realization that only looks matter. Others say it's basically nihilism, that life is meaningless.
/r/MGTOW211/10/20 05:01 PM
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"I demand that the rich men put in equal effort in dating me as they would for a 22 year old virgin" So you will put in as much effort to date average guys as you would for the rich guys? "It's not equality unless I benefit from it, you misogynist!"
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/10/20 07:34 AM
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I'm approaching 33 now and I'm terrified Why? I thought she "earn really well for my country". After all, isn't that what women always wanted? To become strong and independent who needs no man. And it seems like guys don't put any effort It's almost as if rich guys don't care about how money a woman makes. Nah just kidding, obviously guys are just trash these days.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/10/20 06:54 AM
2

I will confess to not being an expert on this subject, but the cause that makes the most sense to me is that America is becoming more and more socialist, and it's paying for all the welfare programs with inflation. Capitalism is not a problem free system. It rewards a small minority of people who are intelligent, conscientious and take risks. Rest are made into wage slaves, although they do have the freedom of starting their own business, or atleast choosing their master. It is just the lesser o…
/r/MGTOW210/10/20 07:02 AM
3

Yep. I would open a new browser window, open FDS and let him "accidentally" see my laptop. Minimal effort, maximum effect.
/r/MGTOW210/10/20 04:45 AM
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No. I've found that men can be however strong and confident as we want to be, and everyone likes it. The only thing that's not "allowed" or which will get you labelled as "toxic" is if you ever critisize women or feminism, or hold them accountable for their actions. We are expected to turn a blind eye and pretend that women can do no wrong, and they are always the victims.
/r/MensRights10/10/20 04:39 AM
3

I think firsthand experience is the best solution to kill the desire. People in Venezuela were all about socialism and all that free shit. Now they're starving and the few that escaped to America are warning against implementing "democratic socialism".
/r/MGTOW210/10/20 02:01 AM
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Nailed it! He's (rightly) willing to treat women as individuals, but wouldn't extend the same courtesy to MGTOW. When a woman cheats, it means that woman is crap but not that women are crap. But if even one dude thinks all women are crap, all MGTOW share that opinion. When a woman gets pissed off with me because I don't -stop- wanting anything more serious than an open relationship, it's a problem with that woman - not with me or women in general. I'm not "proud" of not wanting to be in a seriou…
/r/MGTOW210/10/20 01:52 AM
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While MAN is busy trying to figure how to please his goddess, BOY is banging her brains out.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/10/20 02:02 PM
9

I used to be like this, obsessing over the past. What helped was to let go of the assumption that if I had done something different, the result would have changed. A relationship is about two people, and sometimes the other person has changed or simply just found someone better. As long as I can look back and feel that I did the best I could, that's the most I can expect from myself. If I thought I made mistakes, then I just own up to it and learn from them. At the end of the day, a scrambled eg…
/r/MGTOW209/10/20 01:25 PM
3

They can say whatever they want, I ain't getting married. I've built a great life for myself, and I'm not risking that on the whims of a woman.
/r/MGTOW209/10/20 09:15 AM
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It was just your turn. Take this time to build yourself a life in which women would be a welcome complement, but ultimately optional.
/r/MGTOW209/10/20 12:53 AM
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the main issue I've run into when thinking on this is that some working women will still be inclined to needlessly end relationships In my honest opinion, monogamy is dead and the institution of marriage has become a sham. I think this has been the worst unintended (intended??) consequence of women's emancipation. Women can provide for themselves, and so they have no incentive to stay with a man. I think society will need to figure out how to raise children outside of committed monogamy.
/r/MensRights08/10/20 06:58 PM
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I think people should be judged based on their actions as individuals instead of by their genitals, or the colour of their skin or their ethnicity. Considering the right to vote, I certainly think that only those individuals who take the responsibility of contributing to society should have a say in how it should be run, but historical evidence shows that because of mob justice, eventually the majority will dominate. ever since they could vote the country has gone downhill. I would hesitate to t…
/r/MensRights08/10/20 05:57 PM
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Unpopular opinion: a partner who shares your value of being financially sensible will actually help you (both) reach retirement early. I was listening to this one episode of the Afford Anything podcast which featured a couple who'd achieved FIRE. They did it by saving all of the husband's income (100k), and living off of the wife's income (60k). The MGTOW question is: what are the chances you're going to find someone like that, and what is the guarantee she won't change after marriage? The finan…
/r/MGTOW208/10/20 12:32 PM
5

Do you think a women can truly care about a man even if he's 'not in charge' in the relationship? Women will always try to dominate you (which is ironically what they always accused men of), and if you let them they'll lose respect for you (if they had any in the first place). My cousin sister is a married to a doormat and treats him like a dog. Anytime he does or says something she doesn't like, she gives him The Look. Do you think such a relationship could work? Career women have swollen heads…
/r/MGTOW208/10/20 05:47 AM
3

I don't know about your situation, mate, but the way I see it, if you're living with people, need to get along. Sometimes (oftentimes) it means biting your tongue. I love my parents, but after the hundredth argument about the same damn things, I just packed my bags and got my own place. Whenever I'm staying with friends or relatives, I respect their rules, and if they're too demanding of me, I just make excuses whenever they ask me to visit again.
/r/MGTOW207/10/20 04:42 PM
9

After talking to a lot of desperate men, I've realized the situation is actually much worse than this. They are willing to do whatever it takes to be in a relationship and/or get married. They realize that the woman will wear the pants, boss them around, and completely take over their life. Apparently, it's still preferable to the crushing loneliness they feel. I have no clue how someone could feel this worthless. We have an entire generation of men who're onboard with female supremacy. God help…
/r/MGTOW207/10/20 08:09 AM
1

Is there a way to discover if any woman I know (or will know) is on OnlyFans?
/r/MGTOW206/10/20 03:33 AM
8

I avoid giving relationship advice to blue pilled people, since I personally believe relationships are dead. I just pretend that women are some mystical creature that can't be figured out. If I'm questioned about how I got laid, I just attribute it to "getting lucky", which is in line with the previous statement. Regarding discussion about your opinion on marriage, I find that people these days are quite accepting of those who wish to remain bachelors, as long as one cardinal rule is followed - …
/r/MGTOW202/10/20 07:19 PM
7

I’ll later have a bourbon and cigar for ya Username checks out. Cheers to a peaceful life.
/r/MGTOW202/10/20 03:29 AM
32

What other philosophies ... should we combine with MGTOW to become a more lethal threat to the system? Nothing!! Once I got over my sadness that engaging with women was too risky in today's age, I realized that the system is actually awesome. Modern society makes life extremely easy and gives us plenty of options and freedom to choose what we want to do, so everyday isn't a struggle for survival like it has been for most of history. I just have to be guarded with others and as long as I go along…
/r/MGTOW201/10/20 04:24 PM
9

They're invisible.
/r/MGTOW201/10/20 08:03 AM
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Back in university, I used to hang around player dudes. All they'd talk about was women. When I told them I also had other interests like programming, videogames and reading books, the first question they asked me was "How does that help you get laid?" Fortunately, after graduating, I've been lucky to find friends who share interests and are not pussy chasers.
/r/MGTOW201/10/20 12:23 AM
9

Eventually got tired of feeling angry at women. It wasn't going to change anything.
/r/MGTOW201/10/20 12:11 AM
7

Jonathan Heidt and Jordan Peterson have been saying the Humanities departments have been taken over by Marxists, for half a decade now. I wonder how long it'll take for the communists to reach critical mass.
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 01:05 PM
4

Open relationships break apart even faster than "monogamous" relationships these days. More power to anyone that can make it work.
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 12:13 PM
3

Humans are polygamous by nature. Monogamy doesn't work unless there is a strong influence like religion, culture and/or law to enforce it. All three have been systematically eroded away over the last century by science, prosperity and feminism respectively.
/r/MGTOW230/09/20 11:19 AM
3

Complaining about people trying to make money, while completely ignoring the fact that the entire community benefits from the free content that is paid for by a small minority, is the height of entitlement, in my opinion.
/r/MGTOW229/09/20 04:02 AM
2

What helped me the most was to stop giving a shit about what women think about me. Sadly, this attitude is now very dangerous in a post #MeToo situation.
/r/MGTOW229/09/20 01:18 AM
1

Dunno what definition of beta male is being used, but the beta males I know are more afraid of being beaten up (metaphorically speaking) by their wives than the other way round.
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 06:52 PM
2

Thanks for sharing, friend. You have demonstrated the futility of thinking of MGTOW as some sort of "rebellion". Things aren't going to change. So we must. Once you accept that, you can allow yourself to find joy in other aspects of life.
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 04:17 PM
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Future husband, can you please hurry up? Your assistance is well needed Nagging has started before even meeting the poor sop. I need to be serious about who I bring into my life divorce (so I get enough money to keep up the illusion that fish needs bicycle or whatever that saying is)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/09/20 02:17 PM
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Women: None of it matters babe rob him. Men: None of it matters bro just pump and dump her. It's a cultural race to the bottom. To be honest, women have a pretty healthy lead.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen28/09/20 08:03 AM
4

I would've thought most MGTOW would be libertarian "live and let live" small government types. I've always associated MGTOW with individual freedom (and responsibility). But I've seen some left leaning here, not sure what their perspective is.
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 03:34 AM
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Technically, no. But it's not as if they're not welcome to participate in the forum. I got some interesting responses when I asked them to share: https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/gdf46p/regarding_mgtow_who_are_married/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
/r/MGTOW228/09/20 02:55 AM
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Not sure what other answer op is expecting in a MGTOW forum, especially after claiming he was happier before. Probably just conflicted, and trying to figure out how to get the best of both worlds. Those sex chemicals do mess with clear thinking, after all.
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 06:05 PM
1

It's quite understandable. Swallowing the Red Pill makes you confront the fact that you're only a utility to others, so we think to respond in kind. In my opinion, swinging the other way is counterproductive, and perhaps that's the major contributor to loneliness. Not only did I realise that most people in my life were unnecessary baggage, but more importantly I realised that some people genuinely appreciated me. It's important to get oneself straightened out first, before one can then start enj…
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 04:25 PM
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I'm the problem but I can't seem to figure out why "Maybe it's your body count" How dare you!! Misogyny!! Misogyny!!
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen27/09/20 02:56 PM
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Build relationships and contribute to your community/family. I don't know about others but I feel an enormous amount of satisfaction when I have a goal that is "higher than just me". Now that I think about, I guess that was the function of the church/religion.
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 01:09 PM
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I'd just say "Why do you need a legally binding contract? Don't you love/trust me?" and watch her squirm out of why "it's not about the contract". They just want power over you so they can control you, and use sex before marriage and the law after marriage, to wield power.
/r/MGTOW227/09/20 08:08 AM
5

Perhaps five hundred years ago, this paradigm applied. Now we live in an age of prosperity and convenience, ushered in by technology. Now men can choose to place their self interest first without being killed for it. Today, we always have a choice. You can choose to quit your job, you can choose to start your own business, you can choose to grow your own food and sustain using solar power. These so-called "rulers" today can't force you to do anything. Even if it's the government, you can either …
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 07:17 PM
10

There is no "goal". There is just "guideline" - no marriage, no cohabitation.
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 04:15 PM
1

Indian women feeling threatened by the possibility that they can also be accused of rape. I wonder why that would be. Apparently, "there are no cases where a woman rapes a man". Perhaps that could be because forcing sexual intercourse on a man, is literally not considered rape in the laws.
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 10:53 AM
11

As long as you've learnt from your mistakes, they're no longer mistakes. They become lessons. Turd Flinging Monkey
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 09:04 AM
12

Dating coach. Not an effective one, mind you. Telling the truth will just get you cancelled. Just shit on men in every video. Tell them how they don't need to change anything, it's just that all men are trash these days, so they just need to find the "right" man.
/r/MGTOW226/09/20 08:59 AM
5

Probably just wants to appear high status by saying "I'm going on a date today" if somebody asks. Wouldn't want anybody to know she can't even get someone to buy her beer.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/09/20 11:49 AM
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Is it really so much to ask for a normal monogamous relationship without any of these things? Yes, it is too much to ask for. Humans are promiscuous and polygamous by nature. This is when I realized that monogamy is a lie, and the only things holding it together were religion, culture and law, checks that have been systematically eroded away over the decades.
/r/MGTOW224/09/20 01:53 AM
4

At work, I got pushed out of a job because a had a female boss who was socially abusive and couldn't do her job. She set me up to fail, shamed me, and scapegoated me for everything that didn't work. I chose joblessness over that. Gotta suck it up, and not take things personally. Also, never quit a job without having another offer in hand. Gotta think with your brain and not with your feelings. Another female boss. Another insecure female ego who took everything personally (she would argue with m…
/r/MGTOW222/09/20 04:12 AM
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Remember, MGTOW is about survival. And as long as you're part of society, you need to blend in, and pretend to be an NPC. I think that I have to act as a simp at least initially, until I know what I can get away with without inciting their wrath. The fact that you want to fight is admirable, but as you have discovered, you can only do that if the hand that you want to bite is not what's feeding you. As long as you're dependent on them you have to bend the knee.
/r/MGTOW222/09/20 03:56 AM
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Search for: Jaques Derrida, Michel Foucault, Frankfurt School, Postmodernism Full disclosure: I haven't read any of the original content, just Jordan Peterson pointing out that he thinks that's where this cultural Marxism originated (I am also searching for the origins of cultural Marxism)
/r/MGTOW222/09/20 03:47 AM
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As far as I'm concerned, marriage as a concept is obsolete. Technology has made it easier and easier for women to provide for themselves. Most of them just don't want to put in the work. Unfortunately, promiscuity (which is proxy for polygamy) and single parent homes creates societal instability. So I'm sitting back and watching whether western civilization can come up with an answer before something bad happens, or perhaps more likely they'll just be outbred, thus slowly causing a shift towards…
/r/MGTOW221/09/20 04:43 PM
12

I like hanging out with my friend groups, which includes women. But if they ever contact me to hang out alone, then I avoid that because it means they want something.
/r/MGTOW220/09/20 06:13 PM
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Girls, first love us as we are then want us to treat you like a queen You are expecting the impossible from them. Check out Turd Flinging Monkey's "The Talking Dog parable" video. Men are not loved for who they are. Only for what they can do. Of course, that doesn't mean men should accept the horrible deal today. There needs to be equal amount of reciprocity, which varies from each individual to another.
/r/MGTOW220/09/20 07:27 AM
2

I already see this around me irl.
/r/MGTOW220/09/20 07:20 AM
3

Yes, that's the million dollar question. There is a small minority of people who really do deserve welfare, because of no fault of their own. Jordan Peterson has no answer. TFM says those people are the unfortunate collateral damage, a positive I find highly unreasonable.
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 06:50 AM
1

There is no known solution for stupidity. It can only be minimized by forcing immediate consequences for stupid decisions, something that is negated by social security.
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 06:19 AM
1

That's what happens in a system with welfare and social safety nets. It becomes normalized to live perpetually in debt, or even paycheck to paycheck.
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 04:25 AM
3

Just like MGTOW itself, I've always only thought of the "levels" as convenient labels to encapsulate a perspective. Although I've never seen it used by anyone. "I'm a Level 4 MGTOW" (I'd take that to mean he lives out in the woods and grows his own food) "I'm a Level 3 MGTOW" (I'd take that to mean he purposely works a low income job, to avoid paying any more tax than necessary) Etc etc To be honest, my perspective was just "no marriage", but digging into these rabbit holes that each "level" rep…
/r/MGTOW219/09/20 03:41 AM
3

How did mgtow change your life It didn't. I just found that this arbitrary label helps me find other like-minded men. how did you learn the truth? PUA
/r/MGTOW218/09/20 07:44 PM
2

These are questions you need to ask yourself. The fact that you're doubting your stance because someone called you an incel, or feel better because other people agree with your opinion, shows that you don't have conviction in your belief. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I think you just need to figure out what relationships mean for YOU, because something like this is very individualistic. It's very easy for me to say, yeah relationships are not worth it, but I can't answer for you, b…
/r/MGTOW218/09/20 11:03 AM
2

My first crush, back in uni. I would always make myself available whenever she needed me for anything - help, favours or just an emotional tampon. Wasted six months on this fruitless pursuit, hoping she'll one day realize what a great guy I am, before finally setting aside my ego and searching online for advice, out of sheer desperation.
/r/MGTOW218/09/20 10:46 AM
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No, I'm not interested in "dating". As for just having sex, I don't really have any standards, apart from "don't put your dick in crazy". I've heard men say they don't find black women attractive, or Asian women attractive - these dudes generally have lots of other options - and as far as I'm concerned they're free to have that dating preference.
/r/MGTOW218/09/20 08:55 AM
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Not in a democratic process with women majority.
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 07:20 PM
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Women are authoritarian by nature. They value security far greater than freedom - nothing wrong with that - which is a direct contradiction to MGTOW greatest value of individualism. Quite possibly the worst example of this is Indira Gandhi, late former Prime Minister of India. It would've been interesting to see what the situation would've been right now if Hillary would've won in 2016.
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 04:40 PM
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Nah, I don't think he believes the "women are all sweet and innocent" nonsense, as evidenced by his comments on the Joe Rogan podcast. But yes, I think his perspective to modern female behaviour, is stronger men. As if the laws can just be ignored.
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 02:16 PM
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I'm a big Jordan Peterson fanboy, but even I admit he's throwing men under the bus with this advice. I can't understand why someone as smart as him is blind to the ground realities for men. I guess he believes there is no better alternative to life, and leads to nihilism and destruction. This is where I find Turd Flinging Monkey's perspective to be relevant - morality is subjective, life has no inherent purpose, so embrace existentialism and create our own purpose. Marriage and relationships is …
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 01:24 PM
1

You are entitled to your opinion and whatever definition of racism you wish to use. As far as I'm concerned, refusing to date women doesn't make me sexist, as long as I treat them with all due respect afforded to any human being. Similarly, refusing to date black women doesn't make one a racist, as long as he treats them with the same respect as anybody else. The dating world is a free-for-all and if women don't find shorter men attractive - a preference which I do not club as 'hateful' - then I…
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 07:31 AM
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Problem is that women conflate sexual value with intrinsic value. So if you don't consider a woman attractive, that is taken as a rejection of her humanity, that she is worthless. That is why having a preference against dating black women is considered "racist", trans women is considered "transphobic", career women is considered "insecurity".
/r/MGTOW217/09/20 03:54 AM
21

Sex is not guaranteed.
/r/MGTOW216/09/20 03:43 PM
7

I would have to believe that there will be an increased level of regret and guilt on both parties shoulders in the event of a divorce because all of these eyes will be on them. Not really. Just like they turn your family to their side irl, women use use social media to paint the husband as the bad guy, and escape any responsibility and the consequent guilt. In fact I think social media holds a potential advantage for men, if they are clever. I saw a recent post where a man found his wife cucked …
/r/MGTOW216/09/20 05:03 AM
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Bro, it breaks my heart to see someone give up on himself like this. I’m fully convinced I’m unlovable Yes, you have a point. Nobody loves you for who you are. The least you could do is to be the first to appreciate yourself. Self hatred is just making the situation far worse than it needs to be.
/r/MGTOW215/09/20 02:41 PM
4

PUA
/r/MGTOW215/09/20 04:14 AM
4

I don't know the technical jargon but there's a difference between alcohol/nicotine addiction and this ... whatever this is. Those chemicals are naturally addictive, but whatever chemicals released during masturbation are addictive only because we start depending on them as a coping mechanism against ... anxiety or whatever negative we're feeling. This is what I mean by deeper cause.
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 03:13 PM
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just stop beating it then, no shame felt ... or else Yes, I know exactly how this game works. And leads to a downward spiral of self hatred when you inevitably relapse. I don't disagree that masturbation addiction is a problem, but like other non chemical addictions, it is just a symptom with a much deeper rooted cause.
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 02:56 PM
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The sentiment is well placed but understand that using shaming tactics on others, even worse internalizing it, will have long term psychological effects on your self esteem.
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 01:05 PM
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Most diplomatic way, this. Play it like the women do - oh I'm so desperate find someone, but just can't find the perfect one. If they ask you to drop your standards, you can accuse them of not caring about your happiness.
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 06:42 AM
2

... is really upsetting and makes you feel hopeless? I used to feel that way, but then I realized that I can't change the world, only myself. Now I just say "No, thanks", and "I got some urgent business to attend to, catch ya later". Just cut the baggage out of my life.
/r/MGTOW214/09/20 03:02 AM
75

When I realized everything I knew about women and "love" was nonsense and impractical.
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 05:04 PM
4

Is this life real? do you feel the same? Can't say without knowing more. The closest I can claim is a feeling of meaninglessness - what's the use of it all? I can only speak for myself, but if you just keep looking for an answer, you'll find it. Is this life real? Perhaps yes. Perhaps no. Perhaps it's in between. Depends on what you wish to do with the answer of this question.
/r/MGTOW213/09/20 05:01 PM
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It's ironic that feminism has given (a small minority of) men even more control in the dating market, under the pretense of "empowering" women. The actions women have taken to be perceived as valuable are exactly what has caused them to be devalued. Apparently it's difficult to meet a man who "treats her as a priority than an option". When there is no difference between a man and a woman, behaviourally speaking, the only value a woman has is the availability of a moist hole, a commodity also ava…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/09/20 04:58 AM
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Very convenient that a certain "painful incident" only occurred after marriage.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen13/09/20 04:38 AM
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I think this is exactly how the farmers in communist Russia felt. The similarities are eery. History shows that they will eventually come for us all. I thought perhaps UK was the frontier of feminism, but if it's Canada, I'm interested to see their next moves, as a predictor of what is to follow.
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 12:50 PM
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To be honest, I don't think it's just MGTOW. In general, society attacks anyone who doesn't subscribe to the "women are perfect" belief. Criticism, even if justified, is not allowed. I think modern society is far more accepting of bachelors than in the past. I am able to have a reasonable conversation/debate with people regarding my stance, but the discussion goes to shit if I bring up the subject of women. The lesson I have learnt is to always make it seem that women and feminism are not to bla…
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 05:38 AM
9

Sometimes life is like this dark tunnel. You can't always see the light at the end of the tunnel, but if you just keep moving, you will come to a better place. Uncle Iroh
/r/MGTOW211/09/20 03:53 AM
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When I decided to never get married, I went through a phase of nihilism where I couldn't see any use for my life, if I wasn't going to have my own family. At the end the answer that hit me was - literally anything else (except marriage). This is part of the reason I feel incredibly grateful for living in this age of prosperity and technology. There are potentially an infinite number of things I can do with my life, limited only by my freedom, ability, health and wealth.
/r/MGTOW210/09/20 02:26 PM
11

Congratulations, and all the best for your retirement. I myself avoid day trading - consider it too risky. I just put my money in mutual funds and forget about it. Have some cash in hand as emergency fund.
/r/MGTOW210/09/20 12:28 PM
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Cheating is so normalized in our culture that the race of the man she cheated with was a bigger scandal than the fact that she cheated. Jordan Peterson said One way women jerry mander the system is by getting into a stable relationship then cheating with a high status man. This is far more common than you'd think, but it's not the norm. Monogamy is still the norm. Guess cheating has become the norm now. When a woman gets caught cucking a man, the system be like, gg do better next time.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen09/09/20 05:28 PM
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If it helps some men find some semblance of peace or happiness in their life, I'm in support of it. After all, although we do keep saying the chance of divorce is 50% that means the chance of staying married is 50%, so some men might be able to find a purpose in marriage and raising kids. Otherwise they'd be in Red Pill rage or depressed. For the other 50%, well I guess they'd find some solace knowing that they willingly walked into a trap, choosing to blindfold themselves, and as such deserved …
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 02:08 PM
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I must admit I have only observed this in relationships. In other facets of life, men are generally more disagreeable, and women are infact the people pleasers who'll go to great lengths to win the approval of their peers. I see women left and right chasing happiness irrespectively of others. Men should simply adapt and do the same, without shame I agree, but we also need to acknowledge that men are held to a higher standard. As is abundantly evident, men putting their needs first are shamed as …
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 08:11 AM
5

Biological purpose: reproduction Cultural/societal purpose: family If you, like MGTOW, want to eschew both these outcomes, then there is no inherent purpose to a love life. You can use a relationship to keep your dick wet perhaps, to keep your biological instincts at bay, but MGTOW monks, nofap/semen retention practitioners show that can be overcome as well.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 07:59 AM
2

It was symbiotic only because men were allowed to control the parasite, so it wouldn't completely destroy him.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 03:18 AM
8

Monogamy is dead. Women will try their best to enforce it on men, for when they hit the wall, but it is imperative for us to understand that monogamy is not natural for humans. It's just been taught to us that it's the "right thing to do". It's about time we break those shackles.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 03:12 AM
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I used to have that mentality, that I'd literally need to get "lucky", for any girl to be interested in me. And I'd need to make it "worth her while". That is a recipe for being treated like trash, something if reciprocated would be labelled as "emotional abuse". Lesson learnt: never put a woman's needs above your own; not only will she not return the favour, she will actively punish you for it.
/r/MGTOW209/09/20 03:02 AM
5

I guess education is next on this (upside-down) list.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen08/09/20 04:10 PM
14

A lesson well learnt. A similar experience, though not life threatening, awakened me to the fact that not all who would proclaim themselves as friend, would live up to it when needed. That experience made me appreciate the ones that showed up and how much I owed them for treating them as less than they deserved previously.
/r/MGTOW208/09/20 07:50 AM
6

You know, I never thought of it that way. Telling someone who feels lonely to "find the right one" is akin to telling a poor person to find the right lottery ticket, problem solved. Which makes me wonder why we've set in our mind that a relationship is the answer to loneliness. Perhaps it's the movies, or maybe it's just a by-product of the phase of identity formation, where we still think that our identity is "incomplete" without a significant other.
/r/MGTOW208/09/20 07:36 AM
10

People don't have real shit to worry about these days, like trying to stay alive and not be eaten by a bear. I think constantly being dissatisfied with something or other is an innate human tendency. I can understand that perhaps evolutionarily it helped us constantly better our lives but now that we're living in groups of millions, perhaps the same tendencies are causing more problems than solutions.
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 04:19 PM
2

staying focused on the long goal? By long, I'm assuming at least ten years. What helps is to ensure you enjoy the journey. If day to day activities are bringing you down then chances are you won't last the distance, regardless of how noble the goal is. So structure your standard of life to include enjoyable activities even if it means you'll slightly delay the accomplishment of the goal. For example, if you're saving up for retirement, it's a good idea to take a small vacation every now and then…
/r/MGTOW207/09/20 04:55 AM
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Apparently, polygamous societies tend to become unstable, due to increase in male aggression. I have no idea what that means in practice but I guess we'll find out, because feminism has pretty much destroyed traditional monogamy.
/r/MGTOW206/09/20 01:26 PM
29

I think life is great. Sure, the situation could be better. But, reading about other men's lives, whether from past or present - something that was made possible by the internet today - has shown me what a nightmare life can be. And so I feel grateful for my past self making good decisions as well as being bestowed with good fortune. Because I see that at multiple points in my life, things could've gotten really really bad.
/r/MGTOW206/09/20 10:05 AM
2

It's called an analogy. Also, socialism and woman, not as "completely different" are you may think.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 07:46 PM
11

Not in this culture.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 11:25 AM
14

Fantastic example of the "Clean Your Room" rule.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 10:50 AM
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It's an advantage to those who seize upon it. I decided to stop chasing pussy at 19, instead settling for whatever fruits land in my basket without active pursuit. Now at 32, debt free, own my own home and fully paid off.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 04:04 AM
6

Just like people think socialism is a good idea, until they actually experience it's consequences, you need to experience the tyranny of the modern woman, to appreciate being single.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 03:39 AM
2

I've only had two female managers, and both treated me like trash. But both were incredibly competent, which is what proved to me that some women can indeed do as good a job as men. I've had managers who were competent, incompetent, asshole and nice. Experience has taught me I'd rather work under someone who's competent even if they are an asshole. Of course the ideal is competent and respectful, and all of those have been men.
/r/MGTOW205/09/20 03:34 AM
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I don't find FDS itself funny. What I do find absolutely hilarious is when I show that sub to women who ask me why I'm single.
/r/MGTOW204/09/20 02:41 PM
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So they're saying that if your existence doesn't benefit a woman, it's pointless. Seems legit.
/r/MGTOW204/09/20 09:44 AM
14

when you've not been told "i love you" for 4 years+, your brain devours the dopamine hit and you start to crave it. Men starved of female attention is why the e-thot industry is thriving. What you've described is standard operating procedure in this business. In fact I'm quite surprised that you got "services" for free (did you not even sub to her?). These women have discovered that pretending to be coquettish triggers the protective instinct in men, and is potentially very lucrative in terms of…
/r/MGTOW204/09/20 09:21 AM
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Yes I agree. In a videogame, they atleast try to balance out the mechanics, regardless of how weird or non intuitive they are. But in this game, the mechanics are totally rigged against you. The best option is to avoid playing it.
/r/MGTOW204/09/20 03:02 AM
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I played this game once which had some whacky mechanics. I died so many times and had to struggle so much that by the end I was like fuck this game, I hate this fucking game so much. Out of curiosity, I looked up some playthroughs from other people, and was shocked to see there was this guy who made the game look so ridiculously easy he was creating arbitrary challenges. So I did my homework about game mechanics, and now I absolutely love the game. The point is that understanding helped me to re…
/r/MGTOW204/09/20 02:54 AM
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I disagree. The culture war is lost, just like marriage has lost any meaning since no-fault divorce and society is still pretending otherwise. There is only one way this ends, although I greatly admire people like Sargon of Akkad, Jordan Peterson and Tim Pool for trying to stand up to them using words. I just want to be left alone, and I can accomplish that by pretending to be just like them.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 05:03 PM
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Whatever you decide, I wish you the best. I'm just glad that because of MGTOW atleast you can see the other side of the coin and make an informed decision. But MGTOW is also not for everyone.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 01:49 PM
0

Women will always be the primary recipients of welfare, there is no question about it. But the question we need to ask ourselves is, Would I rather live in a third world country which doesn't have stupid welfare programs, or would I rather live in this country and enjoy the standard of living even though I'm paying a lot of taxes. Reminds me of Thomas Sowell's quote There are no 'solutions', only trade-offs
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 11:45 AM
3

When I moved out of my parents' house and shouldered all the responsibilities of daily life.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 06:51 AM
3

How would you guys handle this? Ghosting in plain sight. Pretending to be an NPC. If I'm living there until I can move out, I need to get along with everyone. The easiest way is to tell them whatever they want to hear, so they leave you alone to do your thing. Unless you want to "educate" them. Bad idea. They are the Church and you will suffer the same fate as Galileo when he told them the Earth is not the center of the universe.
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 03:35 AM
2

Imagine that you are another person. Imagine everytime this person "fails at a convo" (whatever that means), you get super pissed and frustrated - WHY CAN'T YOU JUST BE PERFECT?? And then you wonder - "this person is cool, he's worthy, he's good enough, but why doesn't he like me?" Just like you can't force someone to love you, you can't force yourself to love you. You have to learn to be kind to yourself first. Instead of, I'll only love you if you become perfect (by my standard). I know this s…
/r/MGTOW203/09/20 03:03 AM
1

Watch some cat fail videos ;) Seriously, I'm interested to know what you've been reading that's caused nihilism. If you think nihilism is "I won't ever be with a woman", then it's a matter of perspective.
/r/MGTOW202/09/20 12:05 PM
1

I would go as far as to say men could choose to be free, as soon as society made it possible for women to provide for themselves. It's just that men have taken this long to adapt to understand that the fact that we're no longer required is a good thing, after constantly being made to feel useless.
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 12:49 PM
1

You may believe what you wish, friend. MGTOW are no strangers to being considered as incels, losers, angry, resentful, bitter men. I simply choose to filter out the noise, and imbibe the wisdom of men who've travelled the path before me, and found the answers to the questions I seek, even if in some cases I decide that upon independent consideration, that particular situation does not apply to me.
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 09:22 AM
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FDS, TwoXChromosome, PinkPillFeminism and even RelationshipAdvice can be used as strong reminders of why it is advisable to avoid engagement with women in this age of feminism. For those of us who think that the grass is greener on the other side, that somehow we'll be happier in a relationship than single. Anybody who feels lonely or craves female validation should hop over there and see how much worse things can get, to understand that their situation is "not as bad as I thought". A bit of gra…
/r/MGTOW201/09/20 05:49 AM
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Most MGTOW are one blowjob away from the plantation. If women ever figure out that pretending to be feminine - weak, innocent and making a man feel like he's her knight in shining armour, that'll save the damsel in distress - is the most effective strategy to trap a man, we're all fucked. As long as they drink the feminism koolaid and try to act like men, and constantly shame men who say they're not into that, men are going to continue to check out. Evidence suggests they'll keep doubling down, …
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 05:42 PM
4

How true do you find that statement to be? It is evidently true, but because we take this as the default stance, we don't realize that we don't have to become a puppet. Women will always try to control you, especially by withholding sex. If you resist their attempts at control, they'll try harder by creating unnecessary drama like try to make you jealous, call you emotionally abusive etc. Most men either choose not to waste all that energy, or can't stand up to the attack or tolerate it because …
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 01:48 PM
1

Do you believe in the 80/20 rule? Yes, but only as a generality. Each individual woman ticks differently and you can never know what you - or some other dude for that matter - did to give her tingles. So why bother trying to figure out what they want. The way I see it, focusing on your own happiness and not bending over backwards to accommodate someone else, is a win-win.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 12:09 PM
2

Prevention is better than cure, in such situations. If you're so starved for validation that you fall for some random chick who pretends to be nice to you because you spend time with each other, it's better to keep all women at a distance.
/r/MGTOW231/08/20 11:48 AM
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She's not yours, it's just your turn Enjoy it while it lasts, man. But also always keep in the back of your mind that it's temporary. This mindset will also make you appreciate the time with her, and when she finally monkey branches, you can just say "it was fun, thanks for the memories" and move on.
/r/MGTOW230/08/20 03:58 AM
2

Dunno if I'm the minority with this, but I fucked some uglies to get over oneitis, and started finding them decently attractive. Didn't have trouble getting it up though. Just in case, I had them keep their tee shirt on.
/r/MGTOW229/08/20 04:09 AM
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I was a total trainwreck then compared to what I am now. If I could substitute my current self with much more wisdom into my old stupid self, I'd take that offer. If I ever feel that sometime in my past was the "good ol days", I'd view that as a sign of regression, that I need to get my shit together, starting with figuring out why I think my situation now is not as good as it was before. Sometimes it's just a matter of perspective, that I'm looking back with rose tinted glasses.
/r/MGTOW229/08/20 04:02 AM
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The empathic sex, they say. I guess we'd need to be viewed as human, first.
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 05:42 PM
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Outright misandry is cloaked as fighting against the "oppressors", which is the moral high ground. They did it first, we're just giving some back I wish I could say the situation is bad, because after all it's just a bunch of whiners. But it'll be worse if there's retaliation from the other side, instead of men choosing to just walk away.
/r/MensRights28/08/20 04:49 PM
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When you mentioned that you fundementally agree with the theorum, do you use it practically in your life? My agreement was essentially based on observations of others, rather than my own experience. I wouldn't say I myself am a practitioner simply because I try to limit my exposure to global communications to avenues where I find likely to encounter like minded individuals. It's a quality over quantity approach, which allows me to treat each individual as a potential friend. The "position" of hi…
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 04:22 PM
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We live in a world where it is increasingly easier to discard a person I fundamentally agree with this, but don't think it applies to MGTOW, at least the way I see it. 10,000 applicants with only 1 available position. Not everyone can make the cut, some will even be failed to be reviewed. Continuing this analogy, it's not about only one in ten thousand applicants makes the cut, it's about not hiring anybody at all. Because the employee can quit at any time and demand half the company equity in t…
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 03:11 PM
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I also wonder why the small minority of people who don't run countries or large corporations or are millionaires are complaining that society has become misandric. /s
/r/MensRights28/08/20 01:43 PM
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Nobody should be forced to be with someone they no longer like. Everybody should have the freedom ... I agree with this in principle. But there are some issues with this model, that Jordan Peterson raised in his monologue about enforced monogamy. A small minority of men have ALL the sexual opportunity. A large minority of men have NO sexual opportunity. The women aren't happy because they can't find a man they can be with for any length of time. The men with all the opportunity become cynical. I…
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 08:41 AM
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I regard PUA as the spark that started me on the journey to self improvement back in 2007. So I'll always have a high regard for it, even though I have no idea about what incarnation PUA has taken in today's day.
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 07:19 AM
4

Tribalism. It's human nature. We find a group to belong to, identify with it, and create elaborate preconditions of group membership to exclude others. We see this in MGTOW as well - "You're not a 'real' MGTOW if ..." I've been doing some research into this, and it seems as usual, Jordan Peterson has found the answer even before I thought of the question. Usually, the next stage in an individual's emotional development, after finding a group identity, is the formation of an individual identity -…
/r/MGTOW228/08/20 03:50 AM
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no 'us' in this True, but I must admit discovering the MGTOW online communities has had a very significant positive impact on my life. It's sparked in me, an interest in philosophy, economics, politics, culture and law, subjects which I hitherto considered mundane. In fact I was not even aware of divorce laws, or the Marxist facade of feminism.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 06:30 AM
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And they wonder why men avoid woke women. When you've been brainwashed to view everything in life as a battle between men and women, then focus only on the inequalities where women get inferior outcomes, I'm sure that must be the secret to a happy and contented life.
/r/MGTOW227/08/20 02:02 AM
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If you defend your assets, whether from women or from "protestors", you're basically a white supremacist these days.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 07:05 PM
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A married dude told me: Love is a choice, not a feeling. I'm starting to see why arranged marriages generally work out.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 06:52 PM
7

Why restrict your Special Theory of Disposability to only inertial frames (women). We can generalize it to all frames of reference (all lifeforms), by using the "genes don't care" principle as inviolate. As you have already alluded to, we are just the "Amazon delivery box the genes come in". Our biological instincts don't give a shit about our happiness.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 02:51 PM
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Having found a purpose to devote your life which you find preferable to chasing pussy is the highest form of meaning as far as I'm concerned. At that point, women are just a welcome but optional side dish to the main course of our life. What're you saying? That I can dodge bullets women? No, Neo. I'm saying when the time comes, you won't have to.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 02:27 PM
1

Yeah, I would expect the military to be mobilized in a full-on collapse scenario. In which direction, is the question.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 11:27 AM
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I kinda did something similar, although I broke it off way before it reached a "serious" stage. Falling for a woman is very risky because we know female nature, and that she can change her mind at any time. Also, those love chemicals are very addictive and lead to some bad decisions, like marriage.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 08:48 AM
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That's what I felt too! The writer seems to be attempting to fly under the radar by painting MGTOW as implied ridiculous, yet lays out enough Red Pills to have triggered readers try to go down the rabbit hole. And it's widely acknowledged that Sandman is the entry point of that rabbit hole.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 07:20 AM
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Ask yourself why it bothers you. It's because you agree with the implicit assumption that you are a loser because you can't get pussy. And ignore all the other aspects which make you not a loser. They just want to control you, and have found a button to push. As do you when you think "how do I make them <insert whatever you want others to do>". Instead just don't let them control you.
/r/MGTOW226/08/20 06:33 AM
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What do you deserve? Whatever you work for, of course. I don't deserve shit. I don't deserve a promotion even though I've exceeded expectations for three years. I don't deserve more YouTube subscribers because I've put in ten hours of work editing each video. I don't deserve great investment returns because I did my homework, and chose stocks carefully, and didn't touch it for years. Simple fact of the matter is, outcomes depend on say a hundred different factors, only five of which are in your …
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 06:48 PM
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I really empathize with the guys who feel like their life just seems to be miserable day after day with no hope of improving, so why even bother trying. At some moment in time, which I can't remember, but I do recognize that it was a marked change in my perspective, I realized "wait what, I can change myself? If I do things differently, I'll get different results? It's not as if everything's set in stone?". Haven't looked back since. Ever since then, the first question I ask whenever I'm in a ba…
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 02:55 PM
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Apex fallacy. The top 10% of men do indeed behave "hypergamic, loveless and evil" - like the majority of women. It's just that the rest of men are invisible to these women. It is important for us to recognize that perhaps we would be the same as the ones we're accusing if we had that much power. As Jordan Peterson says If you think that you wouldn't have done the same things as those Nazi soldiers if you were in that situation, well, think again sunshine
/r/MGTOW225/08/20 11:07 AM
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Being perceived as losers is the reason women haven't attacked MGTOW yet. When women start reeing about MGTOW, and this ceases to be a male space, perhaps MSTOW should be a thing thinking-face
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 07:53 AM
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believes love is a feeling or believes love is a choice Beautifully said. The difference between the idealized view of marriage versus the practical view.
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 06:14 AM
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do you think you would if you were a woman, and society expected you to perform the 'woman's' role instead? My cousin is a career woman, and she straight up told me she never wants kids. My manager at work is 35 and doesn't have kids. But it seems to be the minority. Most of my women friends want kids. Jordan Peterson says law firms are unable to hold on to their successful women who quit to have children. Personally, I think going the childfree route is the preferred option for ambitious women,…
/r/MGTOW224/08/20 06:08 AM
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Where is the "good man who'll treat you right and stand by you no matter what"? He died on the day he'd planned out an extravagant day for the both you, only to be ghosted, and find you'd gone back to your abusive ex for some dick. Rest In Peace.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen23/08/20 04:14 PM
2

"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"
/r/MGTOW223/08/20 12:18 AM
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... for now.
/r/MGTOW222/08/20 04:43 PM
1

It's up to you to draw the line of what you consider misogyny according to your moral compass. As far as society is concerned, in accordance with the rules of identity politics, we are misogynists as determined by our identity of a man, no further evidence required, and if you say you are not it just proves that you are one, or it's an implicit bias. If you consider women as equals then ask yourself whether you'd feel the same disgust if it was a man in the same situation. I believe men and wome…
/r/MGTOW222/08/20 04:43 PM
1

I agree that patriarchy is inevitable. I disagree that capitalism will bring about the destruction. Unless it's because it created so much prosperity that it created entitled fucks who think they have it bad because they're not millionaires and the answer is communism. Winston Churchill said The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings, the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries Capitalism has created fat poor people. Communism has created starving r…
/r/MGTOW222/08/20 05:58 AM
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In nature, it's also the female that is often overpowered and forcibly impregnated. Not that this fine specimen would be worth the effort, but if she really wants men to do the "natural" thing ...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen21/08/20 08:03 AM
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A ray of hope in the next generation! Tim Pool covered a story where a teacher was shocked that one of her bright students was listening to "far right extremists" like Joe Rogan and Jordan Peterson, and rejecting the religion of identity politics. Then there's the new Call of Duty trailer with Yuri Bezmenov in it. I'm very skeptical but it feels like more people are standing up to the nonsense these days.
/r/MGTOW221/08/20 07:18 AM
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Love the equivalence of the marriage contract to a business deal equity contract. However, this mostly covers only the financial obligations between the parties. Due to the absence of cultural accountability, women have become insufferable today, so I'd want the marriage contract to compensate for that as well, especially breaches like infidelity etc. Perhaps I'd prefer an employer-employee relationship instead. And transfer equity over the course of time as reward for loyalty, conduct and contr…
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 03:54 PM
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Other women are absolutely flabbergasted that a woman in her thirties hasn't already destroyed a man's life. We live in the age of feminism. Get with the program, girl.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen20/08/20 03:24 PM
1

I was placing arbitrary restrictions on my omnipotence, based on the following aspects If you could reshape yourself, other people, human beliefs and behavior, and society at large, up to and including changing the laws and the government(s) If there was no restriction to my power, I would just sit back and enjoy the entertainment that is humanity, and not interfere.
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 12:33 PM
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Yes. I would make myself a top 5% alpha dog, make society polygamous and take as many wives as I could provide for, and fuck other women on the side. Basically the polar opposite of a gynocentric society. Of course, such a society would be as unstable if not more unstable than a gynocentric one. But that was never part of the question.
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 11:27 AM
2

Marriage has never enforced anything on women.
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 09:25 AM
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Do you think you'll ever reconsider your MGTOW lifestyle? I'll reconsider once the institution of marriage is abolished. Since this is totally unrealistic, I haven't put much thought into this, but I was thinking of having a custom contract between me and a woman, where she would be required to play her gender role as a mother and a nurturer and raise my kids, full-time, for which she would be compensated for. I've had some casual conversations with women about it, and - I don't know if they wer…
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 07:44 AM
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No. I enjoy the peace I have found in my life, whether it is during solitude or with company. I do not hesitate to run away at the slightest sign of drama, which I have found is a necessary component of romantic relationships.
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 05:28 AM
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Anyone else have a memory of the moment they realized a life of independence and detachment is the only rational one? Not so much a moment as a journey. I remember the pain of having to dissolve my ego-invested beliefs that women, relationships and sex would bring me happiness. I had to go through a period of turmoil to navigate what the landscape was, if what I had thought it was wasn't. MGTOWs that maybe stopped yearning for companionship after reaching a certain age? Quite the opposite, actua…
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 03:51 AM
15

Mr Bean Not giving a fuck about society since 1997
/r/MGTOW220/08/20 03:43 AM
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The riches that are bestowed upon "good men" once women are done with the CC. I've lost my desire for sex I wish he would just finish and hurry up Simply irresistible, I say.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen19/08/20 04:17 PM
1

If hypothetically you had to get married but could have a prenup, what would you have put in that prenup? Since we're talking hypothetical, I'd put in a clause that'll absolve me from parting with half my assets, payment of alimony, and award me full custody of children, in the event of divorce caused provably because of my wife's fault (adultery etc). What is something you can still have leverage over a woman after marriage to dissuade her from just killing you? Basic human decency? I have a lo…
/r/MGTOW219/08/20 02:27 PM
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Men used to take responsibility - for their family, for their community, for their country. In this age of peace and prosperity and feminism, where men are essentially being told they're not required, there is nothing to fight for. I think this is why Jordan Peterson's message is so powerful. It is imperative for us men, in the absence of necessity, to create goals and purpose and responsibility for ourselves if not for others, to allow us a meaning in life. Lest we fall into bitterness and rese…
/r/MGTOW219/08/20 02:20 PM
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I think the degree was just an acceptable excuse. I'm willing to bet the drug dealer they fucked didn't have a Master's. In any case, all the best for your BA and hope you get the job you're looking for.
/r/MGTOW218/08/20 05:23 PM
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When it speaks like a feminist, acts like a feminist, but says it's not a feminist. It's probably a feminist.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen18/08/20 02:48 PM
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This cat just waltzed in and made herself at home at my cousin's place. Now we've got second generation kittens playing around. I've bought them toys and food they like and made cardboard boxes for them. No clue how I got into this relationship :)
/r/MGTOW218/08/20 10:13 AM
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For me, MGTOW is just an arbitrary label I use to find other men who acknowledge marriage is a bad deal for men. Apart from that, these men have hardly anything else in common. So I just pick and choose wisdom as applicable to me, and ignore the rest.
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 08:05 PM
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Hahaha. Good question ... next question. Seriously though, I don't think it's possible to not be attracted to women. A ray of hope is some dude who fell in love with a waifu and found he was no longer attracted to "real" women. Another is a Sandman video that was discussing how to reduce these urges which I can't remember now. What I find helps is to keep yourself busy with side projects and hobbies and work, and just quickly rub one out whenever you get too distracted.
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 05:47 PM
10

PUA
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 08:52 AM
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'I am no longer MGTOW' if I allow a woman to be anything more than a friend or colleague.
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 08:50 AM
1

Theoretically, I believe MGTOW is to eschew romantic and/or sexual engagement with women altogether, professionals excluded. In the age of feminism, the only correct answer is "No". Practically, I just associate MGTOW with a male space that resists feminization, where one can express themselves without having to worry about offending a woman. The beauty is that if I'm full of shit, other men will call me out and hold me accountable. I never expect a conformity of opinion from other MGTOW, even r…
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 04:36 AM
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This is a very skewed perspective. Sure, life is unfair and cruel, but it's also beautiful and enjoyable. In some aspects, the cards are stacked against you, but in many other aspects the cards are stacked in your favour.
/r/MGTOW217/08/20 03:51 AM
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Instead, I think they wake up only upon realizing how much damage is done. As Turd Flinging Monkey said: the only thing these people understand is consequences
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/08/20 12:18 PM
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"Whoa whoa! That's not the kind of equality we want" (excerpt from Adele's divorce)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen16/08/20 12:15 PM
1

I don't think of them as aphorisms, just fundamental concepts that have had a significant impact on my life. I'll try to make aphorisms out of it. You are the only one who will be with you for your entire life, so find a way to get along with yourself despite all your faults. If even you won't, why would someone else? Whatever situation you're in, it could always be better. But then again, it could always be much much worse. Never make important decisions when you're extremely happy or extremely…
/r/MGTOW216/08/20 05:25 AM
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The internet, porn, video games and movies have really taught me how much the media you choose to consume does a great job of idealizing and manipulating your worldview (additions in bold) If you want trash, you will find trash. If you want to learn, there's content for that. If you want to see the how beautiful the world is, there's content for that. If you want to see people being happy and altruistic, there's content for that. After all, people do have agency. Internet, porn, video games and …
/r/MGTOW215/08/20 03:57 PM
3

Yup. Got better things to do.
/r/MGTOW215/08/20 02:12 PM
5

Efficiency.
/r/MGTOW215/08/20 02:09 PM
6

Bro just rub one out instead of using Reddit as an outlet.
/r/MGTOW215/08/20 02:03 PM
1

As a 41 year old man who's never even been on a date, let alone having been in a relationship How have you managed to handle your ... urges? yet they still wallow in despair and pity The couple of incels I've talked with were quite resentful at women for how they treated attractive men vs others. What would you say is the proportion of men like this versus ones who are just desperate to find a relationship but unable to.
/r/MGTOW215/08/20 04:45 AM
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The handful of articles I read made no mention of any specific polygamous societies, just a mention that all societies today are monogamous. I think they might even predate recorded history, back to the time when humans lived in groups only large enough to be called tribes.
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 03:03 PM
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First time I'm hearing of this. Very interesting experiment. I guess in a post scarcity universe where you're just handed everything you want, you lose any motivation to do anything. What I find particularly intriguing is why the MGTOW rats lost interest in fucking. Maybe they're the equivalent of dudes who prefer to just fap to porn and too lazy to even go outside. When I was doing some research about the history of marriage, I read that polygamous societies were unstable, because lots of men d…
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 01:48 PM
1

Self made career woman. I seem to remember that family money (inheritance) is not considered in divorce, so the man will probably still be the one paying. Regarding the second question, yeah we're already looking at vanishingly small numbers here, of men even being capable of marrying up. But the thought experiment was more focused towards whether it'll still be the man who comes off worse in divorce.
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 09:50 AM
5

Methinks you take anything that random people say on the internet, way too personally. Think for yourself and try to see whether they (or for that matter we) have a point or otherwise.
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 06:02 AM
1

To each his own, I guess.
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 05:56 AM
2

"Vagina owner" lmao When society is so fucked that one has to walk on eggshells to even utter something as simple as "he" or "she".
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 05:09 AM
2

I used to always chase after this illusory dream of "happiness", that if I just did X or if I accomplished Y or if I got Z, I would finally be happy. At some point, or maybe it wasn't a sudden realization but a gradual recognition, I realized that happiness is instead a choice. We are all inclined to focus on the negatives, our weaknesses, misfortunes, inequalities etc. Instead everytime I found myself descending into such thought, I practiced also being grateful for all the things I had, to get…
/r/MGTOW214/08/20 04:22 AM
26

Optimist thinks glass is half full. Pessimist thinks glass is half empty. Feminist thinks the glass is raping her.
/r/MGTOW213/08/20 11:34 AM
8

I would prioritize stability in these times. Just my 2 cents.
/r/MGTOW213/08/20 05:36 AM
5

Just enjoying the shitshow from the sidelines.
/r/MGTOW213/08/20 05:26 AM
3

Yuuup. I'm brushing up on Cuba, Vietnam and Venezuela.
/r/MGTOW212/08/20 05:17 PM
12

Modern woman rewards men who treat her like trash. Then she complains that all men are trash. Best to get out of this circus while your hide is still intact.
/r/MGTOW212/08/20 03:27 PM
1

Bang someone else.
/r/MGTOW212/08/20 06:03 AM
5

Don't care. They want their communist matriarchal utopia, they can have it. I'm getting the fuck out.
/r/MGTOW212/08/20 06:02 AM
1

Yes, most people need something to believe in because they want someone else to hand them a script of how to achieve happiness, like a quest log in a role playing game. A good belief system gives rise to a moral code which incentivizes constructive behaviour. Otherwise, when we don't see any meaning to life, we tend to sink into destructive behaviour. In my opinion, religion fit the bill perfectly because it inculcated unfalsifiable beliefs like "expect nothing in return" nonsense. When we reali…
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 05:06 PM
13

Now that she's finally ready to settle down, she'll realize that the men who've been using her for a quick nut, don't want anything serious. How dare they not realize she's done with fun? Damn, men are just trash. Men need to grow up blah blah ...
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen11/08/20 04:12 PM
4

Can the victim industry be defeated? Only from within. The rules of victimhood state that the class that is more oppressed gets to assert power over all those who are below them in the Oppression Olympics.
/r/MensRights11/08/20 01:18 PM
1

Shite. Hope you have some ways to soothe yourself. Heavy metal music always helped me.
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 08:34 AM
3

Go to sleep.
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 08:31 AM
2

I cant believe some so called mgtows call themselves mgtows because they cant be that tradcuck on steroids Not gonna lie, despite all my convictions, I would've found it much more difficult to resist traditional women. The facade of weakness, innocence and naivete, the demure suggestion of wanting you to be her saviour and protector, I would've found irresistible. The modern woman straight up screams at you that she doesn't need you, yet is shocked and appalled that you dare walk away with your …
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 08:05 AM
2

Doesn't matter. As a trans lesbian, you can claim you're only attracted to women. As a masculine presenting trans lesbian, you don't have to dress up like a drag queen. The only hole in this plan is if they require a gender reassignment surgery to cut off your penis before you're allowed to identify as a woman. In which case, fuck this plan.
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 07:40 AM
3

Even in clown world we will be seen as men because we have a penis and look like a man Yes, as far as appearances go, we will be treated exactly as men. But by identifying as women (which is totally allowed in clown world) we can take advantage of things like gender quotas in universities and jobs. And shorter sentences if we do end up on the wrong side of the law. Plus, and I say this only partially facetiously, we can always play the victim card just like women, and cry "discrimination" or "se…
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 06:47 AM
3

Bio females can push out babies Which they are choosing not to anyway. Women today are gunning to become men while simultaneously retaining female privileges. As a trans woman, we can get the best of both worlds - biological superiority of being biologically male, legal and cultural privileges of being female.
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 06:31 AM
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There's a third option (minus the attractive part). Come out as a stunning and brave masculine presenting trans lesbian. Gender is a social construct. Trans women are real women. They cannot apply the same discrimination as a man.
/r/MGTOW211/08/20 04:42 AM
11

Hard patriarchy > soft patriarchy > feminism The cycle of civilization, from birth to death. It took me a while to come to terms with the inevitability of this cycle. All you need is one generation of cucked men who cede power to women, and then the decline is guaranteed. However, when I think about it, I realize that I'd rather live in this era than the so-called "pre-emancipation". I don't have to shoulder any responsibility I don't want to, and as long as I'm smart enough to avoid the jaws of…
/r/MGTOW210/08/20 05:37 AM
2

MGTOW men aren't going to be hanging out where families are Knowing that I'm single, my extended family regularly invites me for lunch and/or dinner whenever I'm free on weekends. Being academically and financially "well established" relative to the rest of my family, I think they're hoping I'll be a role model to their kids. When me and the cousins were just hanging out of earshot of their parents, they mentioned casually how they'd also like to live my lifestyle by avoiding marriage. I don't t…
/r/MGTOW210/08/20 05:16 AM
1

Yikes! How exactly is this justified?
/r/MGTOW209/08/20 04:51 AM
1

All points spot on. I saw how badly my cousin treated her husband, which is why I wanted to pursue this from a purely legal perspective. As in, would the law still fuck you over.
/r/MGTOW209/08/20 04:50 AM
8

Financially independent. Don't have a clear idea about what I'll do with free time. Volunteer my skills at some local nonprofit for 20-30 hours a week, I think.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 05:43 PM
1

From original post Notwithstanding the fact that a woman's hypergamy makes it so that only very very few men will ever be in such a position (which is why this is a thought experiment), his arguments made a lot of sense to me.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 05:36 PM
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You misunderstand me. This is a purely academic discussion. I have no skin in the game. I wouldn't wish marriage even if the laws were fair. I was operating under the belief that the laws were stacked against men. When a wrench was thrown into that belief, I wanted to question it. My ex made more than me when we got divorced. Trust me, the amount you earn means absolutely nothing. Women always get custody and the man's money. The only times they don't, the girl basically has to say that she's no…
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 05:32 PM
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Not recommended, regardless of her looks. Unless you come out as more valuable in the hypergamy calculation (very difficult due to delusion of modern woman, plus even more difficult if she makes more), you will be treated with disdain. No relationship is worth sacrificing your self respect.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 05:28 PM
2

I be maximum making 2k kr a mount for 5 years in alamonies unless I earn almost the same as her or more. Sorry I didn't understand this part. Is she paying alimony?
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 04:49 PM
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middle aged career women are the most miserable bitches to be around. So on top of their hypergamy, men are going to be avoiding them. You can live without a ton of money, but not without your sanity. Amen. This is why I put the disclaimer about "legal issues". There's a whole other set of problems with dating career women.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 02:43 PM
3

No, just marry someone who makes relatively good money compared to you.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 02:41 PM
6

The Red Pill kills the part of you which dreamt about a woman that loves you for who you are, will be loyal "till death do us part", and a loving family. We need to grieve for this loss because it wasn't malicious, it was trying to do the best for us, just had wrong information. It needed to go, despite best intentions.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 06:17 AM
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Think about the hell she'll create when you forget her birthday. Think about the tantrum she'll throw when you get a "not good enough" gift for valentine. Think about the completely unreasonable blame of not picking up her calls because you were in an important meeting. Think about <insert any unnecessary drama> This is all purely hypothetical, of course. It's not as if I've personally experienced it with someone I thought was "purrfect" for me. After all, women are all angels.
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 05:39 AM
3

If I hit it raw despite knowing everything I do, I would have to be an incredibly irresponsible piece of shit, and someone like that probably wouldn't take any responsibility. Sorry for dodging the question. The only case I'm willing to consider is when a predatory female manages to impregnate herself with my sperm using some as-yet unknown method. I would try to negotiate a way to be in the kid's life, but a woman as narcissistic as that would probably try to monetize the child to the furthest …
/r/MGTOW208/08/20 05:17 AM
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Many Indian cultures are still very traditional, like America in the 50s. Even if you get married, you'll still be shamed if you don't have kids. It's all about the "family legacy" (biological need to propagate your genes) Marriage > Kids > Work yourself to death to provide for your wife and kids > Retire (if you're in a financial position to, or kids are old enough to support you) > Enjoy (if you're still alive) If you deviate from this script, you've "failed as a man".
/r/MGTOW207/08/20 04:34 PM
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I've never felt happy being alone and I don't really know how to get women out of my mind If women make you happy, by all means continue chasing pussy until you either find the happiness you're looking for or realize it was never the answer. Anyone else having difficulty finding their place in the world? The way I look at it, the slave masters have unshackled us and told us they no longer need us. The price of freedom is that it is up to us to figure out what we want to do with our lives. Marria…
/r/MGTOW207/08/20 12:30 AM
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Parasite complaining about lack of good hosts.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen06/08/20 03:45 PM
78

Women's facade of weakness is their greatest strength. Women complain because they know men will notice and do everything in their power to address it. Instead of telling them to go fuck themselves.
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 10:48 AM
10

A parasite complaining about potential hosts not willing to play by the rules.
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 07:06 AM
8

A lot of men fear they will be wealthy but have no one to share it with These men will get married to a gold digger, lose half their shit in a divorce and get stuck paying alimony and child support for the rest of their lives. Now they'll no longer fear not having anyone to share it with. They'll have bigger problems.
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 04:50 AM
4

Men have the need (or are socialized to need) to make their life about something greater than themselves - God, country, family, community, science etc.Otherwise, we tend to lapse into hedonism and nihilism. It's almost poetic that men have an innate drive to build things that help others. It's just that in current society, making sacrifices to build a family is a bad investment because of the ease with which the family can be broken apart.
/r/MGTOW206/08/20 04:23 AM
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I would think there would be women who believe a wife should care about her husband as a human being and love him and stick with him even in tough times, like when you get laid off. I'm sure there are atypical women out there. The question is, how much time and energy are you willing to spend/waste in search of one, and what's the guarantee she will remain so?
/r/MGTOW205/08/20 05:55 PM
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I used to think incels were those who were unable to get with even the "easy" girls, but after talking with some of them I've realized they're just as entitled and arrogant as feminists. These people can do with a year or two living in developing countries, to gain some perspective. If it was just about sex, well sex can be purchased these days. Their resentment stems from the same stupid beliefs of feminism - inequality of outcome (in this context in the sexual market place). On a separate note…
/r/MensRights05/08/20 01:12 PM
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Women are obsessed with status and so entitled that they consider some perfectly respectable jobs to be beneath them. There was some meme going around of how some women will use clever word play to make it seem they're higher status (the memes are hyperbolic to the point of absurdity of course) Burger flipper - Back office operator for a cuisine business Pizza delivery - Logistics agent for the assembled foods industry There were many much more funnier than this, but I'm unable to find it right …
/r/MGTOW205/08/20 12:52 AM
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Labour theory of value has been debunked. Price of labour is whatever the buyer is willing to pay. Ergo, this "emotional labour" is worthless.
/r/MensRights04/08/20 05:43 PM
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Good point. In my opinion, feminism is being much more effective at building resentment between men and women than MGTOW. I'm hearing a lot of college age guys or even younger angrily express that they don't want anything to do with women anymore because of how they're abusing their power. Ironically, male spaces such as the MGTOW communities might actually be helping out, by providing an outlet for this red pill rage. The hope is that they'll eventually move past it to develop a more balanced v…
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 05:12 PM
7

Non Playable Character. It's a videogame analogy for your average non-Red Pilled person who goes through life based on a script that was handed to them.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 12:50 PM
9

Learning to pretend to be an NPC is a very important skill for a Red Pilled life.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 12:47 PM
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Am I crazy, or has the conversation changed from "how can men get casual sex for minimal commitment", and has shifted to "how to make women commit early and stop having so much casual sex"? I've observed this conversation only happens in the context of a discussion of n-count preferences. Either men are expressing their preferences, or they're saying something like "if I was interested in LTR I don't want a slut" would you do it? No. Even if I was married I'd probably only get the same amount of…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 10:40 AM
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I was assigned to "mentor" a woman programmer. She couldn't do the simplest tasks by herself. Having experienced this before, I made sure that everytime she asked me for "help", my team lead was aware. Here's the kicker. She was all surprised Pikachu face that she didn't get a good performance review. This was one of my early Red Pills about feminism and women - thy really think that they deserve shit without having to do any work. No wonder they're so surprised that highest paying jobs are domi…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen04/08/20 10:09 AM
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"Toilet seat gap" is going to be the next frontier of oppression.
/r/MGTOW204/08/20 01:48 AM
2

It's almost as if sex outside of marriage isn't a good idea. These bitches burned their bras for the right to be sluts, and now men should be "forced" to pay. smh
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:26 AM
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women can complain and bitch and moan and abdicate theirs within the marriage Because women CAN. As long as men are willing to sacrifice self respect for a whiff of pussy, women will be the ones dictating terms. I don't know the trend but I don't see any situation where there won't be simps. And because of that cheap attention/money, that alone is no longer enough. Even the basic Becky will demand Christian Grey (and you bet HE can demand her to conform to her gender role), but the average Joe i…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 01:10 AM
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Women who absolutely crush their career then decide to 'settle down' when they get baby rabies are a huge potential liability. They'd expect the husband to foot the entire bill yet maintain her standard of living once she quits her career. Hopefully, this plan was hashed out before marriage, or it's a guaranteed divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/08/20 12:32 AM
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I agree that men should also vet women, even just to have sex and not just for a relationship. But thirst overcomes all.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 05:20 PM
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I’m a woman & if I want to take a break from my career to raise kids— I’m fully aware it will set me back career wise but I’m the one making that choice This is an example of taking responsibility for your choices. Instead of "I have a gender studies degree, why am I not making six figures like that software engineer? Obviously it's not ME, it's the PATRIARCHY"
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:56 PM
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I'm not talking about the human race, but a society. Society is defined by shared culture. I think American culture can be encapsulated in "right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness".
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:28 PM
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if you ever need any information about cuba/Venezuela/Nicaragua, I know everything about it Yes, please. I've been trying to find out what happened in Venezuela specifically with respect to feminism. What exactly was the origin of all the socialist policies? Was there strong anti-capitalist sentiment there. I must admit so far I've only watched one video and he says the economy collapsed because of the oil war. Greatly appreciate any links to videos and articles you can recommend.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:21 PM
0

A free society which allows men the freedom to disengage with women (MGTOW) and women to choose to not have children (Feminism) is doomed to die. This is why I greatly appreciate the times we live in, even knowing it's not sustainable. At least I have the freedom to do whatever I wish. Enjoy the decline.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:06 PM
3

PUA led me into the intricacies of female nature, then into my own nature, then self improvement, then self acceptance.
/r/MGTOW203/08/20 03:07 PM
4

PUA is what resulted in my decision to never get married, actually. I just went deeper into the rabbit hole than the standard "5 steps you can follow to seduce women".
/r/MGTOW203/08/20 02:28 PM
2

Find a cause that you believe in. Contribute money, time and/or skills. Spirituality. Build a business, whether it is some regular one, or online or even just a YouTube/Twitch channel. These are some of the things I'm considering. Right now I'm using the promise of financial independence to motivate myself, but that's a goal I'm racing towards really fast. Scared of what I'll do after that.
/r/MGTOW203/08/20 12:02 PM
2

In India, men vastly outnumber women. We all know how thirsty they are for the bobs and vagene.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 07:06 AM
2

One of the teams at work with 9 women and 2 men won the "diversity" award. Fuck this shit. The future is female, comrade.
/r/MGTOW203/08/20 05:08 AM
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Men have a dominance instinct. The entire purpose of it is to compete with other men, and occupy a place in the hierarchy, to get access to more quality and quantity of women. This dominance instinct is by definition destructive. But society was able to harness it by creating hierarchies of competence. Now they want to tear it all down. In MGTOW circles, the "self actualization" that is discussed is just a way to repurpose our dominance instinct, since obtaining women is no longer the purpose.
/r/MGTOW203/08/20 05:01 AM
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Feminists like this expect the world to be a safe and cozy place and then constantly bitch and moan than it isn't so. "Oh no I can't believe some people hate women". Replace "women" with literally any group and we'll have a sense of perspective, of how women are the most protected of any group of individuals on the planet.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/08/20 04:07 AM
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Feminists start with the assumption that women can do anything men can do. Then pull men down to prove their point.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 05:09 PM
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Men (blue pill specifically) delude themselves too. She's not like the others If I treat her well, she's finally realize what a great guy I am after she's dumped by the bad boy You got divorced only because you married the wrong person
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 01:50 PM
1

Stumbled across a PUA forum looking for dating advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 11:24 AM
1

Feminism in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 08:14 AM
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I am well aware men can fuck someone and it means nothing to them. That is why men are loathesome Male sexuality is repulsive. Interesting insights into the woman's perspective. Knowing what you know now about male sexuality, will you ever be able to love someone? Or just accept it as a necessary risk? That your man will cheat on you?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 08:08 AM
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women who would be happy to accept less child support and alimony In some cases, women actually go the extra mile to make up fake stories of abuse to get more custody to increase their payments. Men are just lack luster partners in most cases. If that's your narrative, go with it. I wish more women would take this up, so we can finally abolish marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 04:48 AM
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women put in all the emotional labor and men refuse to even meet them half way Yes, I'm sure that's the reason women bail. It has nothing to do with all the cash and prizes waiting at the end of divorce.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/08/20 04:40 AM
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I've been trying to parse why women initiate 70% of divorces and why men are more likely to maintain an affair instead of getting a divorce. And I think men and women simply have different expectations in relationships The laws. Women get half of the man's stuff, and with the advent of no-fault divorce, he need not even have done something wrong. Men lose in divorce, so they file only when they're willing to lose half their worth, to separate from the wife.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:56 PM
4

Yes, because my username on the internet accurately reflects my identity. Damn, I've been outed.
/r/MGTOW201/08/20 04:14 PM
1

Yeah I watched it. Didn't get the point. Okay, only looks matter. Now what?
/r/MGTOW201/08/20 03:54 PM
1

Please do educate me. The entire reason I created this account was to try to see the incel perspective. I tried to ask members on IncelsWithoutHate and got banned.
/r/MGTOW201/08/20 03:49 PM
3

Same difference, I think. Modern society is already extraordinarily safe (dangerous jobs are optional) and old age is the major cause of death. I think this will finally free men from having to think about their "legacy". They can create an alternative life script for themselves or follow the same old one of marriage and kids etc. Once they're satisfied with their accomplishments, they will euthanize themselves. Same goes for women also, I'd guess. Dating and relationships will essentially becom…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:46 PM
0

If I'ma live forever, the fuck would I need a woman for?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 03:19 PM
2

Point was that men were also treated as disposable tools, retard.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:21 PM
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This is very well put. a large number of men were either a net negative or unmotivated to put in there 100%. We are starting to see this in current society (herbivores, MGTOW, incel). I think unlike in the past, where a society in decline would just get wiped out by an invading force, we might see technological stagnation and/or poverty at the end of the line. Something I was wondering about was that with modern technology, women can potentially become the load bearers of society, thus compensat…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:16 PM
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No, its because women were treated as resources I.e childbearer & fuckslave. And men were treated so much better, yes? Women in 1920 be like You!! Why aren't you out there dying in war? Here's a white feather to show what a coward you are, and no woman will fuck you, incel. Me? I ... uh .... how dare you, misogynist
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:53 AM
1

Real question is: what kind of dude does she fuck?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:40 AM
3

The sort of equality that you see. The cases of women that mind their own business but are not allowed to, are not going to pop up. Depends on what you mean by "mind their own business". If you mean you want to do whatever you want without having to face the consequences, it doesn't work that way. For example, if you want to go out alone in the middle of the night, you risk getting raped. Just like a man risks getting mugged and murdered. In a patriarchal society, you can blame the men for "allo…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 07:15 AM
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When women are given power, they will try to usher in the Utopia, Comrade. MGTOW have seen this and are getting the fuck out.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 05:17 AM
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With the freedom of women comes increased violence, blame, abuse, mistreatment and dehumanization from men Welcome to the world of men. Men are still much more likely than women to be the victim of violent crimes. Women have been traditionally protected to as much of an extent as possible, but because it was against their will, they feel repressed. This just proves that when privilege is invisible, equality feels like oppression. The problem is not women having increased freedom, the problem is …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 04:54 AM
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Modern relationship is like communism. Everytime it fails they say "she wasn't the one", "it wasn't real communism". People need to feel the tyranny of the modern woman to properly value their freedom. I would just tell him, I wish you the best, sir.
/r/MGTOW201/08/20 04:24 AM
4

Not sure which thread I saw this. Wear a wedding ring to avoid attention from desperate women.
/r/MGTOW201/08/20 04:13 AM
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How does it feel to watch everyone else get married? Like watching lamb being led to the slaughter. I'm not even being sarcastic. These dudes have no idea what's going to happen to them. I wish men would do as much research about the most important decision in their lives, as they do while purchasing computer parts.
/r/MGTOW201/08/20 02:24 AM
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Men want to know what the woman they're committing to brings to the table. Women in 2019: I AM the table. Women in 2020: I don't understand why guys won't commit. It's a Scooby-Doo mystery!
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 02:17 AM
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Women don't have moral principles like men. It was one of the most difficult pills to swallow, but when I did I was able to appreciate that women are pragmatic if nothing else. From a purely self interest point of view, women actually make very good decisions. It's just that this calculation does not factor in collateral damage, so it leads to unfavorable outcome for the individual in the long-term, or collectively unfavorable outcomes for the group, at the expense of the individual. I like you …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/08/20 01:26 AM
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Whenever my sisters introduce me to one of their friends and include "he works in tech", I keep my excuses ready.
/r/MGTOW231/07/20 04:45 PM
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Has anyone else ever encountered criticism that he's too egoistic? Yes, not willing to let others control you is selfish. How dare you?
/r/MGTOW231/07/20 01:15 PM
2

Is alimony and child support not applicable if she has a job?
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 10:12 AM
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I know a few women who can compete with men on merit alone (note: few). But yes, the majority of women operate under the delusion that they can do anything "as well as any man", but when they're faced with competing with men on the higher end of the bell curve and they're unable to compete, their default goto is "muh sexism". The only reason why women work is because private companies were forced to not only hire them, but over pay them. I disagree with the part that that is the only reason wome…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:40 AM
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You really think women are financially independent? Think about where your taxes go I think women are capable of financial independence in modern society. The fact that they choose not to, and instead just steal from men via the government and call themselves "independent" is a separate issue. Women aren't independent, they aren't able to provide for themselves at all, women still, to this day, depend HEAVILY on men I know women who make as much as I do, and I make enough to fund four families i…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 05:21 AM
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the highest it is for humans in the animal kingdom. Agreed. But humans created this thing called society, and it has advanced to such a degree that it has made even the weak human female capable of independently procuring resources for her offspring (within the confines of the society) and not have to depend on a man for it. The presence of a father has significant psychological benefits for the offspring which translates to more favourable outcomes, but paternal investment comes at a cost to th…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 04:33 AM
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I know all the evidence lines up with the theory of communist infiltration of the culture, but I think it's more to do with basic human nature. Because of America's prosperity, they decided to give free shit to people (a la Venezuela). Assumption was that this would help the disadvantaged until they pull themselves out of the situation. Instead, some people decided getting free money was a better deal than getting a job. Women saw that if they had kids but not a husband, they were getting a free…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 01:40 AM
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Single motherhood is a result of males not taking any responsibility in the child they created I know you feel strongly about this, but I feel compelled to call out this generalization. MGTOW is full of stories of men who had their children taken from them. The laws and the welfare system incentivize a woman to kick the husband out, then she can get money and doesn't have to put up with him. Attitudes like yours - it's ALWAYS the man's fault - is part of the reason why men like me have chosen to…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/07/20 01:11 AM
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Good luck convincing them. They way I see it, only single mothers will be having kids (well they were not single mother before but you get the point) in maybe a generation or two.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 06:59 PM
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I consider marriage to be dead, so the only kids being born will be to single mothers, like how it is in the black community. I agree that a two parent household results in far better outcomes for the children, but that's now a bygone era.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 06:54 PM
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Most guys will tolerate any bullshit to have female companionship if tolerating that bullshit becomes a matter of necessity It's gotten so bad that a small percentage of men are preferring to walk away. Being part of an echo chamber I have no sense of perspective, but it'll be interesting to see in which direction this trend goes.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:15 PM
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Not sure if this is a disagreement, but I'd like to question the assumption of paternal investment, and suggest that perhaps it's no longer required in modern society. Women are able to earn their own money nowadays, so they no longer need a man for provision. If they want children they should be able to provide for them with their own money. If this is impossible, then by definition external investment is required (this includes welfare and housing etc). If so then a woman should secure investm…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 05:06 PM
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How come Feminism isn't in the list? restriction of individual freedom towards their members and their study subjects Check To them, there's a way the social world is supposed to be. Check If these social world doesn't conform with that expectation, there is a problem. Check These narratives are a not only toxic but overly dramatic way of looking at the world. Check
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 01:23 PM
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Interesting vision. Yes, I agree that sophisticated AI and robots will be a game changer. Men aren't really needed anymore with how safe and sophisticated our lives are nowadays Perfect example of how the men keeping our society running behind the scenes are completely invisible to us in our air conditioned apartments.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 10:25 AM
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It seems plausible that the Homo sapiens line evolved on the basis of male scarcity which is why one male can potentially impregnate millions of females. Say we would have the option to only have 50 men born for every 100 women How does the Pink Pill propose to achieve such an outcome? I'd be interested to know if there were societies like this, and how stable they were. I can only assume women would have to do most of the work. Historically, we know great societies which were formed on the back…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 10:04 AM
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If I may get technical: children. That's the only thing a man can't get without a woman, in my opinion.
/r/MGTOW230/07/20 04:19 AM
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There was a beautiful post on MGTOW about this, and it completely changed my view. There will always be incentive for men to date/marry women as long as men define their worth with their ability to get a woman. In an ideal world, men would understand that their happiness comes from their purpose, and not from relationships. If you're not happy, a woman won't make you happy, quite the opposite. However, the dark truth is that most men who give up on relationships, either by choice, or because the…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/07/20 03:40 AM
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Sounds suspiciously like "you're not a 'real' man ..."
/r/MGTOW229/07/20 07:19 PM
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Last I checked, "Society" included more than just the dating market.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 06:22 PM
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Do you consider other groups so inherently incapable of competing with Straight White Males in a free market? The Asians have already disproved this notion.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 05:52 PM
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the law works to control culture and individual behavior Can you give me an example to help me understand this? I've always thought law was downstream of culture. For example, no-fault divorce was enshrined in law only once female promiscuity became a cultural norm. you cant honestly argue that womens voting patterns had zero influence on culture No, I can't argue against this. I think women's voting pattern has single handedly plummeted the marriage rate. But again I come back to the anomaly. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:37 PM
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big emphasis on virginity until marriage Wasn't it the case in the west as well, in the 60s? So it's the disintegration of the culture that causes breakdown in the family, and not necessarily the laws. I guess when everyone starts having casual sex, there is no incentive for marriage. In that case, I suppose it's just a matter of time for India as well. familial involvement in a marriage and dating life Ah, arranged marriages. I used to find the idea quite appalling, but I can see the advantages…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 03:49 PM
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"No women's rights" seemed a plausible hypothesis to me until I encountered an instance where this theory fails completely. India is regarded as one of the most gynocentric countries in the world. Upon preliminary research into the laws, there are some that are unbelievably scary. Women there have far more rights than men. Yet it manifests almost none of the problems of the west. The divorce rate is in single digits, single motherhood even lower. I can't think of an explanation for this.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:58 PM
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I assume women who have children within marriages aren't "doing whatever she wants" I'm generalizing the wife's participation as "doing whatever she wants" because in your example she's picking and choosing when to play her gender role. If that's not the case, why are men agreeing to have children they don't want This case is generally applicable outside marriage. A single woman gets baby rabies and gets pregnant by lying about being on birth control. Even then the man is liable for child suppor…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:50 PM
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Is that the case even where there is no children involved? Yes She sacrificed her career to have children If she decided to have a career, she decided to forego her gender role and provide for herself. should be compensated for it Agreed, provided it was also what the man wanted. If a woman wants to do whatever she wants, without the man having a say in it, she can pay for it herself.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:27 PM
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Well said. https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/hyxe2n/what_does_the_like_that_refer_to_in_awalt_and/fzfvlur?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share This comment gave me some food for thought. Perhaps this "love" that women feel is like the fourth dimension postulated in the Theory of Relativity. It exists and is curved but we just can't perceive it. Instead, I think the best strategy we can adopt is just focus on how someone makes us feel and arbitrarily label it as love. Or assum…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 02:01 PM
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Problem with feminism is that it still holds men to their gender role, even though women are not required to uphold their gender role. A woman is strong and independent, until she decides to separate from the marriage, and then she's suddenly poor and helpless and needs half his assets, and monthly payments just to be able to survive.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 01:43 PM
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What does this have to do with gender roles? I see so many guys express they are jealous of the attention and validation women receive just for being themselves What you don't see them express is a desire to be a stay at home father or homemaker and he'll cook and clean and let his partner provide for their family. On the other hand, women want to be "strong" and "independent". They want to absolutely crush their career, make a shit ton of money so they can live a life of luxury, and smash all t…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 01:24 PM
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I'm sure a prenup such as this can be made, but it'll probably be thrown out for being unfair. If I'm reading it correctly, she's getting LESS for being completely dependent on you, as opposed to getting a job.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 01:14 PM
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Not sure how much a prenup can be made to do, but I always thought it was for the protection of assets, not for enforcement of gender roles.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 12:55 PM
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You don't "master" your emotions. You just recognize the power and influence they have over you and what you can do to be in control instead of being controlled. One small hint that has helped me tremendously in my life is Don't make the 'never' or 'always' type of decisions when you're really sad or really happy
/r/MGTOW229/07/20 10:19 AM
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Man, I'd love to shit on feminism but I'm not convinced that feminism is to blame. I've talked with many women about what kind of a deal it would take for a "traditional" family - man is the sole provider and woman is the homemaker exclusively - but they just don't want it. I think women stayed at home in earlier times only because they had no other choice (because of most jobs requiring physical labour and the lack of sanitary pads) Single motherhood is already gaining traction. Men can't have …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 08:22 AM
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Women desire status, and in the modern age, they can make money and gain fame themselves instead of via proxy through their husband. This was traditionally a male gender role because it is biologically impossible for men to undertake the female gender role. So we have a situation where everybody wants the male gender role and nobody wants the female gender role.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 06:33 AM
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want a girl who hasn't because for them sleeping around does all of the insane things he claimed I actually agree with him that promiscuity correlates with likelihood of infidelity, but I believe it is the same for men and not exclusive to women. It's that very few men actually have the ability to be promiscuous. Men feel repulsed by slutty women because they don't have the assurance of paternity, so it's evolutionarily programmed feeling to not invest in a promiscuous female. Women are likely l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 05:31 AM
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it makes sense that a woman would want one who has at least a little bit of experience, and a man would want a woman who have had less guys to compete with their performance EXACTLY. Going back through this comment thread, this is why GirlGetter said he wouldn't get with a woman with n-count of 25, the same as him. On the other hand, he has significantly more sexual experience than a man with an n-count of 5 (his girlfriend's n-count), which is what women want. Rules for thee - not too many dick…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 05:16 AM
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A lot of low n-count women who are exclusively interested in LTRs are going to be put off by men who have slept around so much Agree with this. But if you look at the opposite side, they are even more put off by virgins. Women are not lining up to LTR a man with n-count 0, but men are lining up to LTR women with n-count 0. Confidence can be gained from just about anything, Unfortunately the only way to gain confidence with women is having had success getting to the finish line.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:48 AM
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The need for sex is not so easily mistaken with fakes, I suspect it is the smell, as when I can't smell, sex feels more similar to masturbation. That makes sense. I saw the fallacy in my own argument when I realized that even I don't feel masturbation is equivalent to sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 04:16 AM
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He is correct, most men have no say on their n count, it is the market which says which n count we get I understand and agree with your point, but let's get technical here, if I may. When you say men have no say in their n-count you are obviously discounting escorts. That is because we are operating under the assumption that a sexual encounter is only considered "valid" (for lack of a better word) if it was "earned" (again for lack of a better word). Similarly, if we consider from the woman's pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/07/20 03:51 AM
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Health, intelligence (ability to comprehend complexity), conscientiousness are predictors of success. Money flows after. Motivation and self-esteem come first. Otherwise you will expend health and money chasing self esteem for the rest of your life. I understand that for someone who's poor, money seems like the key to everything in life, but it's earning that money that correlates with success. When you give people money you have the chronic welfare dependence you see today. Whenever someone say…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 05:21 PM
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Thomas Sowell said There are no 'solutions', only tradeoffs MGTOW isn't life on easy mode (although for some personality types it is), it is simply a less shitty option than anything else that is available.
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 05:29 AM
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You've hit the nail on the head, I think. So-called "love" - whatever it might be - is worse than useless, unless also accompanied by sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 04:26 AM
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Turd Flinging Monkey
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 01:18 AM
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I'm sure they'll dislike me even more. Seems like just a case of social anxiety, to be honest. Maybe you should add improv classes to your weekend schedule.
/r/MGTOW228/07/20 01:12 AM
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And I'm questioning it's effectiveness for LTR's as digested by beginners I see where you're coming from. Monogamy/LTR is dead, as far as I'm concerned. If they can make it work, more power to them. But I always consider it just "my turn".
/r/PurplePillDebate28/07/20 12:48 AM
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You think this woman is red pilled, you haven't heard Karen Straughan ...
/r/MGTOW227/07/20 05:34 PM
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Red Pill is a strategy for men to get laid. Men use it and get laid. That is the opposite of counterproductive. If you're talking about lasting and stable relationships, you're looking at the wrong sex. Men are just adapting to the fact that women want to be promiscuous, and figure out how they can join in the fun.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 03:45 PM
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MGTOW concept is just "no marriage no cohabitation". All other "MGTOW ideas" as just universally applicable self improvement concepts that are just coincidentally discussed in the MGTOW communities because we suddenly find that we have a lot of time and energy to do things, and if we men don't keep creating something we'll just fall into depression.
/r/MGTOW227/07/20 10:58 AM
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If we consider the few positive posts on FDS as representative, the advice is about not settling, and being comfortable in your own skin, so that you're not so desperate to find a man that you'll compromise on your standards. That is something I can respect. But the majority of posts make it seem as if being a man is itself a red flag. Although exaggerated, that sentiment is a sad reflection of the state of society today. Just like we say there are no good women, they say there are no good men. …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 09:02 AM
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Anyone that could have helped make those years less depresing and suicide inducing has a right to half of everything I own as far as I care. This is a great perspective. We always scoff at women who initiate divorce and claim a right to half your shit, but in such cases perhaps it's a valid argument - a reward for sticking around through the thin part.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:42 AM
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Dating is very hit-or-miss and some women will suck the life out of you. You need something to fall back to inbetween women lest you fall into depression.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/07/20 05:36 AM
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So what I'm saying is that if they improve on their personality and treat men like a human, they could easily get any guy they want Oh don't you dare tell women to change. You will take what she gives and you will like it. Or else. And then we're surprised Pikachu face that marriage rates have plummeted.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 04:43 PM
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Is there anything to gain by waiting a bit before telling him I used to be a SW hamster wheel turning If he really loves me, he'll not care that I used to be a SW, right? hamster wheel turning I can't believe how shallow men are, that they can't handle the fact that their woman is 'experienced' hamster wheel turning Women are so oppressed in society. Men shouldn't get to choose to reject me based on my past, that's bigotry hamster wheel turning [Posting on FDS] Ladies, NEVER reveal your past. Me…
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen26/07/20 02:12 PM
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Men have always paid for women's attentions. It's called dating. Women now just have more options of monetizing their sexuality. Before women entered the workforce, the only way for a women to gain status was through her husband via marriage. This enforced monogamy allowed a larger percentage of men to obtain sex (via marriage). Now that women are able to provide for themselves, marriage and monogamy is obsolete. They can gain status by themselves, and because of hypergamy they are not attracted…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 12:41 PM
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Yeah, there was a post explaining how ridiculous the laws in India are. But I'm still unable to wrap my head around why the divorce rate is so low. I'm not advocating for a high divorce rate, but our assumption has been that the divorce rate in the west skyrocketed because of gynocentric laws.
/r/MGTOW226/07/20 10:40 AM
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Assuming that we all "learn" by participating here is giving us too much credit. But yes, it is implied that you take everything said here strictly as personal opinion and not self evident truth brought down from the mountain.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:37 AM
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Very small percentage of the population is on Reddit. Very small percentage of people on Reddit are on this forum. We gotta work with what we got.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 10:23 AM
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They're just looking for a man to divorce and take his money. Or someone who can be an ATM for her kids. At no point am I suggesting that the men who were unsuccessful in their twenties suddenly become very attractive after thirty.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 09:41 AM
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Checkmate
/r/MGTOW226/07/20 08:23 AM
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Why does the manosphere consider mgtow a good thing Red Pill and PUA actually have a very low opinion of MGTOW. But yes I agree, all your other points are spot on.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:14 AM
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When I turn that first sentence around it's "It benefits men when the lower tier women drop out of the dating pool" It does sound disgusting, except this statement wouldn't be true. Unless you're a retard, you understand sexual dynamics are not symmetrical.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 07:02 AM
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Men are desperately trying to move on and accept their lot in life - MGTOW, sex dolls, waifus etc. It's the women that are reee-ing. Very few women seem to understand that this is a net benefit for them. But upon thinking deeper, I realized that these strong independent career women are actually a minority. A lot of post-wall women are struggling under credit card and student loan debt. I fully support women focusing on their career and providing for themselves. Once they start outearning men, t…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/07/20 06:57 AM
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This sounds like the male version of losing your ability to pair-bond.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 06:01 PM
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Making of a Strong Independent Woman: JUST FIVE DOLLARS A MONTH (damn, forgot which thot said this)
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/07/20 05:14 PM
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I challenge every brother here (including myself) to try to post/comment MGTOW material that has nothing to do with women. Regulars post infrequently, but it's a quality post. Since original MGTOW sub was quarantined this forum is where most people end up. So what should we do about those guys? Who stumbled here in search for answers after they were recently divorce raped or whatever? Genuine question, because although I recognize that post might be breaking the rules, I can also empathize.
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 03:19 PM
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Very few people are unable to get with woman. It's not that hard with a bit of effort I used to think so too. But it's more common than we think. It's just these men are super average and escape our notice. in limbo until a suitable replacement is created, perhaps you should change the situation. I agree. Personally I believe men should actively find a purpose other than women, regardless of what technology is available. However, the discussion was supposed to be about what impact potential tech…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 01:52 PM
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the idea that there's this huge amount of women desperate for commitment but totally unable to find it You must be young, because once you're in your thirties and surrounded by single mothers or divorced post-wall women, you'll see what this means. Your 'gatekeeper' better be strong then.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 01:43 PM
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I didn't respond to op. I responded to a chain comment There was no mention of my life choices in the chain comment. You pulled that out of your ass. "Due to the dangers involved" is akin to stating homeless incase your house burns down. I hold the view that dating is dangerous for unattractive men in today's circumstances as self-evident and thus do not wish to debate it here. I invite you to start a separate thread in which I and others would gladly participate. So let's go ahead and assume th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 01:37 PM
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OP is literally about discussing future possibilities. You in 2020 are throwing your life away on science fiction. What gives you the right to decide how others should live their life? Would a man who refused a home unless he could live on Mars be reasonable to you? The promise of life on Mars (analogous to AI waifus) is a lot more appealing to homeless men (analogous to those who are unable to get women, or no longer wish to participate in dating due to the dangers involved)
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 12:44 PM
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Yes, people with free will are real. Agreed. Point was that tech might provide an avenue where the fake woman might be preferable to the real one. Honestly this who sex hot conversation is always filled with men angry women aren't just for them. Nobody's forcing you to participate. "I'd rather spend my whole life waiting so I can get a partner who I can treat like an object" is a jacked up statement Your morality is wasted on me. If you have logic, I'm open to counter viewpoints.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 12:22 PM
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Got so much hate it’s unbelievable! Why is it unbelievable though? Unless you deluded yourself into thinking your message would be well received. For those of us interested in self preservation, we need to learn to pretend to be NPC so we blend in with the zombies.
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 10:44 AM
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I also have a hamster, rabbit and a adorable puppy Now I want a human.
/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen25/07/20 10:31 AM
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Exactly. It's a win-win. It benefits women when the lower tiers of men drop out of the dating pool. Ever since social media and OLD, women have had a problem with being inundated with attention from low quality men. Waifu culture is already prevalent in Japan, and I don't hear the similar complaint from Japanese women.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/07/20 08:40 AM
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I regard equality of opportunity to mean a lack of systemic barriers, where a systemic barrier is a law or set of laws that specifically excludes a class of people because of immutable characteristics. For example, there is no law preventing any of us from becoming an NBA player. We realize that equality of opportunity necessarily results in inequality of outcome because people are fundamentally different from each other - not just men and women but between men as well as between women. I've bee…
/r/MGTOW225/07/20 06:36 AM
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No, that's just projection. Men and women have completely opposite requirements. Men would prefer to have sex with women at their peak attractiveness - their 20s - instead of when she has decided to 'settle down' when she's 35. As for sexual history, well, there's virgin porn but no incel porn and I'll leave it at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 06:37 PM
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How are interactions at all 'real' Honestly don't know. The closest approximation I can think of is how those anime girls are all over the male protagonist. that reeks of fakeness. It's manufactured 'love'. If you start from the baseline that the bitchy whiny nagging women of today is what's "real",. I look forward to literally anything else that the AI can supply.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 06:28 PM
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Programming a waifu AI to love you unconditionally. The woman is fake but the interaction is real. Honestly, that is more real than so-called relationships these days.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 06:01 PM
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This is extension of friendzone - get resources without having sex with them. Why only friendzone suckers in your social circle, when you can also friendzone thousands of suckers worldwide.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 04:53 PM
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And I'm saying, you'll have to get past the part where the human is aware that this robot is endlessly obedient to them in order for them to feel that jolt of validation This is exactly what I meant by suspension of disbelief. Some men are able to fall in love with porn stars and waifus, so it's evidently possible, the question is how. My theory is that their thirst and desperation might drive them into this delusion. On the other hand, perhaps it's just the degree of superficial realism - uncan…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 04:19 PM
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Yes, you do. We know what we need to do to make realistic human beings. There's a tremendous amount of work ahead of us. I'm reminded of the quote attributed to Bill Gates - "why would anyone ever need more than 640k RAM" Literally every major technological advance has been in the form of leaps instead of linear, starting from the Wheel - steam engine, semiconductor technology, Theory of Relativity etc. It just takes a while to actually get to commercial viability. Most people call it trust Call…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 03:56 PM
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You never know with innovation. You might spend years trying to figure out the mysteries of the universe and then on a Friday as you're about to leave you find a particle that apparently breaks the cosmic speed limit, and you're left questioning every single thing you knew about the laws of physics. Six months later you might have a proof of concept machine ready for time travel. The male ego wants to be validated. A robot cannot do that for you for a long long time, if ever. This is precisely t…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 01:50 PM
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Fantastic points. I'd completely forgotten about my nihilistic phase. You're right, MGTOW is not for everyone. If I knew that the outcome would be worse than divorce rape, I would also suggest marriage.
/r/MGTOW224/07/20 01:08 PM
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Radical left in a nutshell.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 01:03 PM
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Men are cultivating fake relationships with real women (e-thots) Men are cultivating fake relationships with fake women (sex dolls, waifus) Next step is a real relationship with a fake woman (waifus + AI + possibly VR) We are already witnessing isolated instances of men starting to prefer waifus over real women. Once tech crosses the uncanny valley, more men might discover the limitless possibilities of having access to women of your dreams (quite literally - think Tifa from Final Fantasy VII Re…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 01:00 PM
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Completely agree that marriage is a worse deal for men now than previously because they only get sloppy seconds after she's done with the cock carousel. But that is not the point of contention here. It's the woman's perspective of "being used for sex" being debated.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 11:57 AM
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20% of men can get casual sex. More can get it within a relationship but still outside marriage. As opposed to 0% when men had to wait till marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 11:48 AM
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Believe what you see not what others tell you. If you can't see the destruction caused by marriage to people around you, there's a possibility you're part of a tightly knit community with a strong cultural influence. In such a case, the chances of staying married are many times higher than the norm. On a separate note, I'd like to hear some valid anti-MGTOW arguments. The only ones I've heard are weak "you're a coward", "man up", "life without a woman is a life not worth living" nonsense.
/r/MGTOW224/07/20 11:41 AM
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What if the Sun is a single mother with nine children?
/r/MGTOW224/07/20 11:31 AM
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Normalization of casual sex in our culture was an absolute blessing to men. So if you define "being used" as getting a worse deal than what you'd have previously gotten, then yes I would assert that women are being used for sex in modern society. Because traditionally, the only way for a man to get laid (in a socially acceptable way) was to pay the exorbitant price of marriage. With sexual liberation, women shot themselves in the foot in typical solipsistic fashion, not realising that it opened …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 11:08 AM
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Was that a one-time thing during a time of crisis, or has immigration policy been relaxed to allow anyone? I remember being informed back in college that German universities had started offering courses in English to incentivize foreign students, with the caveat that having passable fluency in German is a requisite for daily life.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 07:05 AM
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Yes, I agree. Unless they live in a completely self sustaining community, I don't see how they won't become American through the generations. Depending on how long they remain stuck in their ways, the American culture through the generations might shift to include aspect of other cultures. What remains to be seen is whether this will positively or negatively affect fertility rates. What are you afraid of? What makes you think I'm afraid of something? I'm making theories based on my observations.…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 03:37 AM
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You don't think it's possible, just maybe, that immigrants are coming to the US because they are more attracted to American culture than their own? I agree. They are happy to assimilate into the American culture. Within a generation, these types stop having babies (nothing wrong with that). They are also generally highly skilled and contribute tremendously to the economy. Then there are those that immigrate because their own country is a shithole and because there are jobs available in America, …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/07/20 03:11 AM
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Trying to be nice and avoid offending others is why society is in a shithole. It's where the oppression Olympics begins. Key is to remain disaffected and stare at the harsh truths being presented (unless the post is nothing but vitreol in which case learn to ignore)
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 07:21 PM
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Hmm.. good point. I guess it's only possible if you have a completely self sustaining community eg Amish.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 03:14 PM
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Only if they assimilate into western culture. Some refuse to do so, because of which we observe the creation of so-called "no-go zones" which are small but ever increasing pockets of immigrants who enforce their cultural rules within that area. Again, I can only point to Muslim areas in Europe. I suppose Chinatown and such areas are analogous in the US?
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 02:56 PM
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Population replacement via immigration. We already see this in Europe. The culture will forcibly shift towards the culture of the immigrants.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 02:44 PM
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Say you have a long term relationship with a woman and she wants some strange Isn't the whole point of ltr sexual exclusivity? Otherwise she's just a plate.
/r/askTRP23/07/20 02:17 PM
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MGTOW is literally "no marriage no cohabitation" so I don't see what exactly you mean. But I think you're referring to the general subjects discussed in association with MGTOW such as philosophy, stoicism, self-actualization etc which I think is universally applicable.
/r/MGTOW223/07/20 01:50 PM
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Red Pill is literally taking advantage of women's promiscuity. The so-called complaints are warning labels to always acknowledge the fleeting nature of a woman's affection. "She's not yours, it's just your turn"
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 12:57 PM
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At least she was overt about it. Women will generally get married then cuck you after. She straight up told you were the beta, before getting a ring, and I'll give her credit for that.
/r/MGTOW223/07/20 12:44 PM
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And I just ask, why not give into other subconscious desires like sex Why not give in to other subconscious desires like homicide? Theft? Rape? Consequences. You can do whatever you want but you also have to pay for the consequences. MGTOW who have decided to avoid women have decided that because of shit like BelieveWomen and false rape accusations, the consequences of failure are too harsh to bother with the risk of dating. Human's lived in fear for the continuity of their race and to spread th…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 12:28 PM
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And why exactly do you want to do whatever you want? Because ... I want to? Not sure what answer you're looking for here. But then why do you suppress your sexual desire don't just enjoy it. I don't think you understand MGTOW at all. There is no suggestion of suppressing your sexual desire. Just that there are ways to do it without incurring the enormous risks of marriage or cohabitation. Some decide against relationships altogether, preferring to just engage in casual sex or escort services. Ot…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:48 AM
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abstention from women (which I have a hard time understanding). You have a hard time understanding because for you women are the most important thing. For others, they have found more important things to do than pursue women. And regarding you saving so much money , what purpose does it hold? Retirement, as I mentioned. Freedom from being a wage slave so I have more time to do whatever I want.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:28 AM
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Well, MGTOW philosophy not only suggests abstention from marriage, but also from women No, it's literally "no marriage no cohabitation". Everything else is up to the individual. Also it brings to my point that is a life lived hiding, a life worth living at all? If you feel you can't live without women, that's on you. I started saving so much money I'm en route to retirement and then perhaps create my own business.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 11:11 AM
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driving a car doesn't necessarily mean that you will not get into a car ever again. Not if there's a 50% chance of having an accident. Higher if I've already had one accident.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 10:58 AM
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What kind of a retard suggest you get into another car accident after recovering from one.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 10:52 AM
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Redpilled thirteen years ago at 19, when I discovered PUA. Decided to never get married when I did my homework and came to the conclusion that without a strong cultural/religious influence, monogamy does not work. Discovered the MGTOW communities only last year, which made me aware of marriage laws which further cemented my conviction in my decision.
/r/MGTOW223/07/20 09:25 AM
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I agree. I also don't wish to turn back time to an era when I would be forced to provide for a parasite and tolerate her drama. Now that men are understanding female nature and women are understanding male nature and deciding to be single, it is by definition killing civilization (due to the lack of progeny). It's sad that the only system that seems to work is one in which neither party is happy.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 06:38 AM
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So getting any kind of male attention has no promise that he physically or mentally has any feelings for you other than he thinks he could tolerate you for 20 minutes? Couldn't have put it better myself. I think this is perhaps the ultimate Red Pill for women. This is why we had cultural and religious restrictions on sexual activity outside of marriage, before feminism. I guess we are finding out that the so-called tyrannical patriarchy was for their own good after all.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/07/20 05:33 AM
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Women think that it's the manosphere that's spreading toxic misogynistic messages to other men, where infact our communities are pretty much isolated. Since taking responsibility is their blind spot, they literally are unable to see that it's their own actions that cause men in their lives to question their beliefs and find their way here in search for answers.
/r/MGTOW223/07/20 02:20 AM
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Now that we've realized that nothing is ever enough, the only thing left to do is to tell them to go fuck themselves, which is ironically what would've shut them up the first time they started demanding rights without taking any of the associated responsibilities.
/r/MGTOW222/07/20 02:10 PM
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Welfare is what is incentivizing stupid and irresponsible people to have kids, and responsible ones to at least consider whether they are in a comfortable position to raise kids and provide a comfortable life for them.
/r/askTRP22/07/20 10:49 AM
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I have more compassion for women who became single mothers due to circumstances out of their control, and by your tone you also seem less entitled than the average single mother that Think Before You Sleep uses as examples. However, the ground realities are the same for a man thinking of dating a single mother, which the other comment has explained well.
/r/MGTOW222/07/20 03:25 AM
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That's good to know. But I was using it as an example of how feminism is forcing women to conform instead of allowing them to express their individuality. Cassie Jaye is another example of someone who thought feminism was pro-women only to find herself being ostracized for even attempting to see the other side's perspective.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 01:59 PM
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No. The few people who recognize the label associate it with misogyny. I just regard the MGTOW label as a tool to help me find like-minded people. I'm starting to see others, especially young men, think of this as a "movement" or an ideology and identify themselves with it, because of which they think of it as a group identity which they feel obligated to defend. Which is why I avoid the same mistake, because once MGTOW gets corrupted and devolves into an ideology like feminism, I don't want to …
/r/MGTOW221/07/20 12:28 PM
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What issues do you think modern women are facing? Collectivism. Any woman that dares feel pride for being a stay-at-home mother will feel the weight of the feminist juggernaut. what issues women think modern men are facing Very few women are capable of seeing it from the other perspective, and those are universally able to appreciate and empathize. On the other hand, some of them say "women are the primary victims of men dying in war"
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/20 11:43 AM
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