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Inner Game DestinyChitChat/r/seduction20/06/22 11:06 AM
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Outer Game DestinyChitChat/r/seduction27/06/22 03:22 PM
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Outer Game DestinyChitChat/r/seduction22/06/22 11:19 AM
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Outer Game DestinyChitChat/r/seduction21/06/22 12:56 PM
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Fundamentals DestinyChitChat/r/seduction30/06/22 12:20 PM
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Advanced (Certain Basic Skills Required!) DestinyChitChat/r/seduction13/09/22 03:06 PM
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Inner Game DestinyChitChat/r/seduction21/09/22 07:38 PM
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Greatly appreciated for taking the time to look over this. I'll keep those things in mind.
/r/seduction02/10/22 03:01 PM
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If you're just starting I recommend just practicing push/pull. It's basically going back and forth between displays of interest and disinterest with verbal communication and body language. That confusion of your intention creates tension and will cause someone to seek resolution via trying to get your validation in some way. Check out my other posts where I talk about it more.
/r/seduction01/08/22 12:22 PM
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Lmao yea I'm 34 with no kids so idk anything. I actually don't blame them too much for their lack of attention span. Imagine if we had this robust of internet and social media while we were growing up. We would be just as screwed lol.
/r/seduction13/07/22 04:27 PM
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Lol is that what we're calling this generation? Zoomers? I will say being able to video call anyone adds a nice layer to dating when trying to make it as personal an interaction as possible before the meetup.
/r/seduction13/07/22 04:21 PM
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Imma vet. Been doing it since 2009. I'm married now but game fundamentals never change. Lots of these guys are either hardcore into direct method and think there's no point in learning or they are full of anxiety and overanalyze everything down to the emojis.
/r/seduction13/07/22 03:48 PM
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I see these skills as a tool. Depends on who's using it. Most guys just wanna have the chance to start a romance with a female friend already in their lives and their intentions are generally good natured. Edit: LOTS of guys use indirect. But this sub tends to lean on direct. Both are viable options.
/r/seduction06/07/22 01:02 AM
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I wrote my thoughts on this not too long ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/vo71ws/a_simple_way_to_build_attraction_from_scratch/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
/r/seduction06/07/22 12:57 AM
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Yea just walk away until she figures her stuff out. It's already starting to affect your judgement now. It'll only get worse. Just go through the pain of stepping back. You'll thank us later.
/r/seduction02/07/22 02:13 PM
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The reason is fine. Unless it's a pattern no reason to react. Definitely should've just up and left if there was no texts to update you.
/r/seduction02/07/22 02:12 PM
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Family reunions
/r/seduction02/07/22 02:08 PM
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I've written a bit and have more to come. 😁
/r/seduction30/06/22 11:36 PM
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😆 Found the Direct Method guy. Never fails.
/r/seduction30/06/22 11:35 PM
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I don't really recommend negging. Only for specific situations. But if you're going to do it the worst thing to do is wait for her reaction to it. It needs to be thrown out then move on. Don't even give her time to respond. By the time she does you can frame it as "old news." If you're "caught" just accept it. "Oh I see. Crazy I just learned about negging and already got caught! What a scam." Then change the subject. Also...the definition of negging is noticing she is not perfect.
/r/seduction28/06/22 11:45 PM
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Yes! You get it. Dancing is extremely powerful on its own. Adding another layer to it makes it much more potent. I remember reading about how humans lived in organized groups for millions of years without verbal language. Just grunts. Body language is deep seeded in us and yet many prioritize clever lines over body language constantly. Dancing has also been a part of human culture since the beginning of time so anyone who has actual dancing experience knows how well this stuff works. Even if it …
/r/seduction28/06/22 10:43 AM
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Lol your username though....
/r/seduction28/06/22 04:05 AM
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Lmao. Nope. This was real life and worked for years. But that genuinely made me lol.
/r/seduction27/06/22 10:04 PM
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A woman won't give up on a guy she thinks she hasn't won over. I think you're still good. Just go with the flow and continue to be non-chalant and non-reactive. Once a woman 10 years older than me (with a career, home, car, everything while I was still living with my mom at 23yo) told me she missed me and I said "thanks" on purpose. She got so pissed at me and almost cut me off. But I didn't freak and kept my cool. She brought me lunch at my work the next day, apologized, and said she never felt…
/r/seduction27/06/22 02:47 PM
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An easy thing to do is just become genuinely interested in other people. To seem interesting you have to become interested. Because most people only want to talk about themselves. So just get people talking about things they care/passionate about and they'll love you for it.
/r/seduction26/06/22 07:55 PM
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The first priority is the socialize. Women are the 2nd. As soon as you walk into the venue just smile and say hi to the first person you see. Doesn't matter who. Set the bar low and only say hi to everyone. No need for something clever to say. That will start the momentum to be more social. If you are going out to places to pick up women you need to be social or you'll just hate yourself for just sitting alone and drinking while only THINKING about approaching, but never do.
/r/seduction26/06/22 07:53 PM
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You have to get her used to your touch. There's a ladder of progression. From a simple shove on the shoulder when she says something funny, to a hand on her lower back to lead her to the other side of the venue, and eventually moving your face close to hers just to show her something on your phone. I even love getting to the point of just grazing my lips against theirs without kissing. So instead of her thinking "is this guy going to try to kiss me" she'll think "why won't he just kiss me alread…
/r/seduction26/06/22 07:49 PM
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When I first started many years ago I basically had no choice, but to go alone. But it's pretty empowering so I highly recommend it. Your focus should be meeting new friends. Women 2nd. So that means talking to everyone. Even the old guy sitting alone. Just be social. The women will naturally start to flock to you. Just whatever you do, don't sit on the wall staring out into the crowd all night. That's the worst thing you can do.
/r/seduction25/06/22 06:50 PM
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Don't try to convince her logically is the first step. Better off putting her in the mood to want to.
/r/seduction23/06/22 01:07 PM
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I agree to an extent. We can only influence, not control women. So long term I think it's better to actually have an ideal woman in mind. And maybe that ideal woman is a ONS. Personal preference.
/r/seduction23/06/22 01:06 PM
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Nice. Most definitely.
/r/seduction23/06/22 12:14 AM
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Thanks! That's very humbling 😊
/r/seduction22/06/22 08:16 PM
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Here is a list of things to keep in mind that should help. Adopt as many as you are comfortable with. You are “OK” as you are right now You are comfortable in a position of leadership You have come to terms with your sexuality You have visions and goals outside of meeting women You bring an incredible positive energy into any social interaction You are unattached to outcomes and don’t get upset easily You have strict rules about what behavior you do or do not accept from other people You are int…
/r/seduction22/06/22 05:01 PM
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Your self awareness is great and the first step in making changes. Nice job man. Remember you can always analyze later, not in the moment. Whenever you get caught in those thoughts just STOP. PAUSE. And think...what do I want to do for fun? Something that doesn't require her presence. Then do that thing. Make it about you having a good time and your energy will be contagious and she will have a good time. It's better to always ASSUME attraction no matter what. Doesn't mean be a stubborn jerk tha…
/r/seduction22/06/22 04:47 PM
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Great post. There's always a balance to be struck between trying too hard and not trying hard enough. I think this post is well balanced.
/r/seduction22/06/22 04:40 PM
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Sure some women have that motto. They're probably a single mom. They subscribe to the idea that it's the child's needs above all else. If you have a good partner this isn't true. Making sure your partnership is happy and healthy first benefits the child. Neglecting it can hurt the child.
/r/seduction22/06/22 04:10 PM
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Yea I'm gonna lay off the terminology for future posts and just talk straight.
/r/seduction22/06/22 02:40 PM
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Not familiar with him. Mostly Vin DiCarlo's Attraction Code. It's my inner game book of choice.
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:44 PM
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This ^
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:43 PM
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You're always going to have to strike a balance between trying too hard and not trying hard enough. It honestly comes down to personal preference. Online is a numbers game. The more you put out there the better. Being a good conversationalist elevates your chances. But you also don't want to come off like a dancing monkey performing on stage with ridiculously unnecessary clever lines. Best place to start is to show genuine interest in the other person. Asking open ended questions about things th…
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:42 PM
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Sounds like a Jerry Springer episode. Yea makes no sense to sleep with a bf/gf just to prove they are a cheater. Truth is they actually wanted to sleep with them all along and just used that to makes themselves still feel like a "good person" lol.
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:29 PM
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Wow. Feels like there's missing context here. What happened?
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:27 PM
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I'm married now so no lol. And I focus more on inner game these days, but the 3 phases I see more as a rough guide or ingredients for a successful interaction rather than linear steps to follow strictly. Also I technically go with Magic Bullets version which emphasizes qualification so much that it's a whole separate step whereas MM just calls it A3. So attraction, qualification, comfort, seduction. Again I see it more as ingredients to make sure you have all these rather than a strict linear pr…
/r/seduction22/06/22 01:07 PM
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Haha yea I'm old school MM. But I think I'm gonna start staying away from the technical terms.
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:43 PM
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Hmm interesting. I will keep this in mind. Thanks
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:19 PM
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It's true though. Everyone in the dating world plays games. But playing games isn't inherently toxic by itself. It's the game of displaying the best version of yourself. Peacocking to the opposite sex. And yes some take it to toxic levels. Like this woman possibly did.
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:15 PM
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I think you're talking about initial interest. Which is true. If she doesn't even have that then there really isn't much you can do. She has to be open to being persuaded. But it definitely is easy to KILL that initial interest by coming on too strong. Not that it's not a valid approach, but by it's nature it's always going to be high risk/high reward.
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:12 PM
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I think all the direct method guys are downvoting you lol. I agree with you. My post on Direct vs Indirect explains the pros and cons of each style. They are both valid options, but seems many don't respect the limits of each and think their way is the only way.
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:10 PM
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Hahaha. Good troll.
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:05 PM
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Great post! Totally agree. I think people tend to think it's one extreme or another. That it's either now or 6 months from now. Waiting a week or two isn't the worst thing. Even a few months can go by if you are only seeing each other twice a month. You won't even notice it if there's other prospects you're already engaging with.
/r/seduction22/06/22 12:05 PM
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I think it's because women will tell men they don't like that and won't ever date a guy that does those kinds of things. So it gets in our heads and we believe them. But there's a difference between what women claim they want and what they respond to. Nice to see a fellow veteran PUA. I started in '09.
/r/seduction22/06/22 11:59 AM
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Thanks man! Much appreciated. I am genuinely curious though. Could you elaborate on the issue with my presentation? I had similar thoughts, but wasn't sure what should be different.
/r/seduction22/06/22 11:40 AM
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Totally agree. I like that we all have our own ways of handling the world. My issue usually arises when others try to tell me how I should do it. So most definitely if that works for you. More power to you. There's a part of me that even wishes I was as calm as you.
/r/seduction21/06/22 09:45 PM
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I'll be making some assumptions about you so feel free to correct me. Usually this is due to not solidifying the attraction you built up with them. Attraction is like a fire that if not fed can die out. But once it dies down there should be something deeper for them to hold onto that makes them want to see you again. Namely...a connection. In a nutshell you have to make every interaction feel like it was fate you two met. Like the universe brought you together. So when she's sober the next day a…
/r/seduction21/06/22 01:49 PM
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Oh nice. A 10 year difference. Yea you def have to be that rock then lol.
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:33 AM
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Lol yes. Since I was a kid.
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:23 AM
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So true. Someone earlier mentioned a neuroscientist that talks about just that.
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:23 AM
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Lol oh wow. What are your guys age group if you don't mind my asking? If you two are young then it's great you're learning this now because when you get older it becomes a bit more subtle.
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:21 AM
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I'm bored with you. You're just someone who would rather bring people down than build them up. And any ideas you don't like you lash out like a hormonal teenager. It's sad and makes you uninteresting. I can't help you. It just very toxic behavior. Hope you get it sorted out and good luck to you.
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:20 AM
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That's so cool. I should see if I'm able to grab a copy just for curiosity sake.
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:14 AM
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There may be other things you can do to increase those chances. Such as making sure enough comfort is built. You can possibly try "Ok we are not, but I need to pick up my (blank) because I forgot it. You can come in for a few min if you like while I look for it."
/r/seduction21/06/22 11:14 AM
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Wow you just made my day. This is hands down the best response from a woman on this thread. The skill of a seductress is highly underrated in the modern day. And you're right. She should not have limited her options before seeing hard commitment in some way. Never heard the term emotional contagion though.
/r/seduction21/06/22 02:11 AM
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Nope. I clearly stated that the story was entirely separate. So mature healthy minded people would understand that there is a deliberate lack of context because the story isn't the focus of my post. Then you come in with your assumptions, criticisms, and judgment. You're one of those people that preach about how people should be, but are so focused on judging others that you don't see yourself and how you affect those around you with your virtue signaling crusade. So next time try to be a bit mo…
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:54 PM
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Same here lol
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:51 PM
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My post was chill. But you came in guns ablazing. So that's a lie lol. But I guess it's that narcissism.
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:51 PM
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Same here lol
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:50 PM
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Also I looked at your history and you are very combative with EVERYONE. No way you're not like that with your partner, but your narcissism won't allow you to see it. You really need a better hobby than fighting with everyone on Reddit lol.
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:12 PM
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You can absolutely gaslight someone without knowing you are, it's one of the many forms narcissism takes. Eerie about the lack of self awareness here.
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:06 PM
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Aahh no fair you edited the shit outta your comment lol. I get Femnazi vibes from you. Instead of realizing both women and men aren't perfect you clearly chose a side and at 29yo I'm surprised you're not more mature than you're acting right now. 😁
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:04 PM
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Lmfao. Ok well good luck with that. Nice not knowing you.
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:02 PM
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That's another story lol. That I'd be happy to share with someone who knows how to talk more civil. And no she never wanted monogamy because she had just gotten out of a marriage. I feel bad for your partner. Man the headache you must be to live with. Do you always go on the offensive from the gate? How do you keep friends if you're combative all the time?
/r/seduction20/06/22 11:01 PM
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Lol she's the one who didn't want monogamy. She didn't want the title, but also didn't want him seeing other women. So she wanted all the benefits of a relationship, but none of the responsibility or consequences of it. That's why I put broke up in quotations because they were never exclusive. My post wasn't about evaluating my cousin's dating life. It was just an example of the lesson I was trying to teach. And no, I don't think she's a bad person. I do think you're an idiot though lol. Keep go…
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:43 PM
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Um... A gaslighter doesn't know they gaslight. Kinda defeats the point. I'm so confident you act like this in real life. Ugh. How sad. If my lesson is so simple and basic how come you are literally breaking the rule every single comment you make? Not so simple I guess for some people ;)
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:40 PM
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Lmao. You should really read the other comments. She ended things because he liked a woman's FB post. Months prior to her discovering it. That's why she broke it off with him. Overreacted and admitted she was being childish. Bigger person? Keep making assumptions this is gonna be great fun for me. Question: what's it like to be so woke?
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:38 PM
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Well I guess you would last that long. Keeping them on a leash with all that healthy conflict resolution you have and not gaslighting at all. They must think you're really easy to talk to.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:28 PM
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Ok just wanted to make sure. Riddle me this. If what happened in my post is for personal gain then why would she thank him and admit she behaved in a childish manner? They both benefited so by that definition there was no manipulation. I hope you know this is fun for me. I feed off of criticism.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:26 PM
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Hitler was more convincing than you.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:16 PM
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"This isn't just women, it's all. People all the time, including yourself when your entirely alone. Also your cousin is fucking gross" This was literally your first comment on my post lol. What is your definition of manipulation?
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:09 PM
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Geez idk who hurt you, but you must be pleasant at parties. How old are you? How long have you and your partner been together? I imagine this is how you talk to them when you don't agree with something and you gaslight them. Very toxic
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:06 PM
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I exited the dating scene. Um...actually no....these things I'm telling have been known for thousands of years by the most charismatic leaders. It's very basic that understanding that we are emotional creatures first and logical second. And appealing to someone's emotional side vs logic will provide much more success in life than prioritizing logic. Maybe one day you'll learn this young padawan.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:03 PM
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Yea I ended the dating scene when Tinder started getting popular lol. And if I'm old then you must be young. And cannot comprehend your lack of self awareness and lack of experience in life.
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:48 PM
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I've been married 5 years. And what is your definition of manipulation exactly? Maybe we are on a different page with that.
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:44 PM
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Literally everyone manipulates. And yes when you feel good or bad about something it can affect how you interpret things. Take you, for instance, and how you approached this post.
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:43 PM
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Sorry I'm confused. Are you saying that men are more emotional than women and using abusive men as your proof?
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:38 PM
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I only understood half of this.
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:20 PM
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Literally everyone manipulates.
/r/seduction20/06/22 09:17 PM
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Thanks! Will definitely have more soon.
/r/seduction20/06/22 07:55 PM
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Oh I see. Yea some people would rather take that route instead of discussing things.
/r/seduction20/06/22 07:14 PM
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Thanks! Here's another trick you may appreciate I learned from a buddy many years ago. To increase chances she'll say yes to meeting up with you tell her you want to meet up for coffee, but can only stay for an hour because you gotta meet a friend later. Then if things are going well tell her "your friend rescheduled." It helps to ease her feelings of possibly being in an uncomfortable date with someone and having to get out of it by having her gf call her for something lol. She'll thank you lat…
/r/seduction20/06/22 07:08 PM
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She was? Well why would she do that intentionally? Was she angry with you about something?
/r/seduction20/06/22 07:04 PM
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Wow that's crazy. Most people are not malicious in their actions though. Just very self absorbed and aren't aware the affect they have on others.
/r/seduction20/06/22 07:01 PM
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Damn that's a total bummer man. Sorry to hear that. I wish I understood depression more. All I can say is to never give up trying to be a better version of yourself.
/r/seduction20/06/22 06:46 PM
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Yea definitely tough to use this if you're in a funk. Idk the extent of your negativity and if depression is involved, but one thing that has been scientifically proven to raise your mood on a chemical level is exercise.
/r/seduction20/06/22 06:41 PM
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True. But the post is about the lesson and not analyzing my cousin's story lol. So to keep it short I left a lot of context out.
/r/seduction20/06/22 06:16 PM
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I actually feel that men being more logical is an illusion. We just express ourselves differently. Namely with arrogance and anger.
/r/seduction20/06/22 06:14 PM
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Totally agree. This works for minor things and for this situation, without going into all the context, I judged it to be minor and changing her mood would work. For more serious things this definitely won't be enough.
/r/seduction20/06/22 05:55 PM
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That's very humbling thanks!
/r/seduction20/06/22 05:03 PM
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Lol you obviously aren't here for a productive convo. So I can't help you. Good luck with your dating life.
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:55 PM
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That's fine to challenge/criticize, but you added assumptions lol. And you didn't ask for more details so....yea. But I forgive you :D
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:54 PM
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Don't make it bigger because there's a high chance that's its not real. And I was right For many cases this is true. If their being upset is truly real and deep rooted then this tactic won't work at all and you have to formally address it. The problem is when people feel that EVERY single thing needs to be discussed. They don't. For those instances we should definitely focus on changing their mood and not try to convince them to change their mind. And for the context in this situation I knew tha…
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:49 PM
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I always wanted to read Pandoras Box, but made no money at that time to purchase it. I also heard some criticisms about it so figured Attraction Code was good enough. How does it compare?
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:40 PM
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Hahaha. Actually dancing was part of my main style. I really thrived in bars and clubs. And even integrated PUA into my dancing with subtle things I would do to raise tension than just to simply dance with her. Honestly you don't need much. Get your basic two step and make sure you follow the rhythm of the beat. Youtube is where you can learn different styles. I like pop lock, tutting, basic salsa, merengue, bachata. I had so many guys try to "battle" me at clubs because they thought making them…
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:37 PM
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I think PUA has always been a tiny corner of the internet because of the connotations behind it for sure and people look down on it. Perhaps more today than 10 years ago. You make some very interesting points. Off the top of my head I think the main culprit is political correctness. Everyone puts pressure on each other to be this is impossibly flawless human being and judge you for not adhering to it. And it's tough when you don't follow the rules these days with cancel culture among us. We are …
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:30 PM
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Lol yea the before and after photo of Style should be a on a poster. I gotta say Vin DiCarlo's The Attraction Code has aged very well along with Magic Bullets by Savoy. I have many other books, but those two are the ones I keep going back to and still find new stuff I hadn't noticed before.
/r/seduction20/06/22 04:14 PM
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Niiiiiice! Yea I like the scripted stuff for beginners. It's like bumpers for bowling. But I definitely have leaned more on natural inner game over the years and it's much more potent, but takes time and real world success to fully adopt. I started in '09 so you got two years on me lol.
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:53 PM
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Definitely! Things that are competitive are always fun with someone you just met. But also non-competitive things like amusement park rides. The more emotions you can go through together the more attachment can be formed. Just make sure you are doing something outside of just talking and getting to know each other. That can come later at dinner. It can also be sprinkled in here and there throughout the date.
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:42 PM
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That's actually genius. Talking to yourself and giving yourself permission to put into words what you are feeling and begin sorting through it. That's powerful and every man should exercise this.
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:38 PM
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I understand. No one likes to feel manipulated and taken advantage of. Truth is though, everyone manipulates. To varying degrees of skill and self awareness, but still true. I think it's important to ask what the goal is. Is it to hurt someone where you benefit and they lose? Or do both parties benefit? Like what if the Oracle in The Matrix didn't lie to Neo and tell him he was NOT The One when he actually was? She simply told him what he needed to hear. And that's what my cousin did for her. Ga…
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:37 PM
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Did NOT know you can do that! Now I'm doing that every time! Thank you for your great teachings good sir.
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:24 PM
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Ok I have to hear the story behind this hahaha
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:13 PM
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That's one way to look at it yes. I prefer to see it as even as adults we are all still immature to a degree. We are all still human that make many decisions based on emotions. Such as the reason she broke up with my cousin in the first place...which was because he "liked" another woman's post on FB. Months prior to her discovering it. That's it. So if we are all still immature what would you do if your 6yo child was throwing a tantrum? There's a good chance you would distract them because you k…
/r/seduction20/06/22 03:00 PM
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No need to explain I totally understood what you meant. And yes we have a tendency to treat every emotional reaction as real and needs to be addressed with hours long conversation. Many many times it just sorts itself out. All you gotta do is let it have it's time until it runs out of steam. No harm no foul. I usually treat it as temporary first and focus on positive things and then if it persists then I understand it's a real thing that needs to be properly addressed.
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:45 PM
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Anger is healthy, productive, and can be a great motivator. I embrace my anger and am mentally healthier because of it. I think you are thinking of rage and in that I totally agree with you.
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:41 PM
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Very energetic response. I like it lol. There's a difference between the way things SHOULD be and the way things ARE. Sure it would be nice if everyone was honest and said exactly what they were feeling and sometimes that is a legit thing to do, but it can also make her dryer than your empty lotion bottle. Here's also a truth you have to accept. Everyone manipulates. Literally everyone. Sure some are more skilled and aware than others, but it's still there. It's a part of the human experience. A…
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:38 PM
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Wow that does sound fascinating! Never heard of that. Will definitely check it out. I know it sounds demeaning when we "handle their tantrums", but maybe we just need to word it differently while at the same time acknowledge that men have tantrums too. No one should look down on someone for having emotions and expressing them in a healthy manner. Sidenote: healthy expression doesn't equate to zero expression.
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:19 PM
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Thanks so much!
/r/seduction20/06/22 02:15 PM
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The first thing I recommend is to learn to identify the underlying mood in any and all interactions. Once you do that you then focus on how to change it to something positive. Ex: When you go on a date you should do what YOU want to do and know YOU will have a good time regardless. Even if she's miserable your positive mood will be contagious if you stick by it and don't let her mood affect yours. This is why I tended to stay away from just dinner. It would always be something fun to do first to…
/r/seduction20/06/22 01:55 PM
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I think because in general women tend to lean towards the sad side of their emotions which can result in crying while men lean more on the anger side which can result in aggression. Both are emotional, but one is seen as...inferior? Yea doesn't make sense. It's just different sides of the same coin.
/r/seduction20/06/22 01:42 PM
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Haha thanks!
/r/seduction20/06/22 01:11 PM
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Lol we should all try to avoid judging before having full context. We risk looking foolish. To elaborate she was very clear she did not want a serious relationship. But behaved like she wanted all the benefits of one. Doesn't make her a bad person. But please continue to assume things without full context. It'll be fun for me. Edit: also in her own words she admitted she was being childish and thanked him for handling it the way he did. So who are you defending?
/r/seduction20/06/22 12:50 PM
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Nice! It's like a curtain lifts
/r/seduction20/06/22 12:47 PM
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Thanks! 😊
/r/seduction20/06/22 12:46 PM
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The problem is he's trying to change her mind instead of focusing on changing her mood. This is something I learned back in my 20s and it changed everything. I realized people really do talk too much. Actions speak louder than words and too many people try to CONVINCE each other to enter into an intimate relationship instead of literally going out to have fun. Laughing, smiling, an innocent touch, tension, mystery, excitement. That will do worlds more than an awkward conversation on a couch.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:24 AM
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Seems like you're in the friend zone. But it's not impossible to get out of if you are. First thing is that you cannot let her dictate whether you escalate or not. She has put so much fear in you to act that you have become immobilized. That alone could be the only thing preventing you two from hooking up. You spend too much time TALKING about escalating things with her instead of actually doing it. On your terms. Change her mood, not her mind. We are all emotional creatures first. Logic second.…
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:21 AM
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I tend to notice that there is a risk of someone in your position appearing too "try hard." So just avoid that and remind yourself to play a little hard to get. Other than that I think you're good to go. Men will notice your awesome traits on their own. Also online can be a downer at times so I wouldn't use that as the ONLY way you meet men.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:14 AM
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because women are manipulators Bruh....come on. Everyone manipulates. You should reread my last paragraph.
/r/seduction20/06/22 10:07 AM
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Reminds of Jim Gaffigan talking about muscular men at the gym. "What are you doing here? You're done." Lmao.
/r/seduction20/06/22 01:23 AM
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Comparing college girls to real world dating? Hmmm lol. Yea try that at an adult bar after college. But more power to you. Get it get it!
/r/seduction20/06/22 01:21 AM
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I can't help you. If you feel the only thing valid to focus on is who has easy access to sex then that's on you. It's a very limited view of the dating world and you'll always feel it's "unfair" instead of just growing up and realizing both sides come with benefits and trade offs. Good luck to you.
/r/seduction20/06/22 12:04 AM
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Habit. Thanks internet.
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:04 PM
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If you choose to stay focused on quantity that's on you. All it does is make you sound bitter because, why? You want the same quantity of selection women have, but disregard the problems that come with that kind of life? Nothing happens in a vacuum my friend. That's like picking out your favorite ice cream, but you gotta try hundreds of flavors. Oh and you might get fat along the way. Or pregnant, assaulted, stalked by the ice cream. That's the easier path to finding the right ice cream? Lol don…
/r/seduction19/06/22 07:13 PM
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Yea access to more quantity of sex is a factor, but not the whole picture. Men don't have to worry about stalkers, accidental pregnancy, getting r*ped, getting judged for sexual promiscuity, etc. Sure some men experience some of these things, but women experience them many times more than men on a global scale. Of course men experience their own difficulties in the dating world. Just a different side of the coin. Having to initiate, experience more rejection, more dry periods without access to s…
/r/seduction19/06/22 05:38 PM
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Give it a few days. It's normal. If anything him blowing up your phone right after would insure there would not be a next time. At least this way he increases his chances by not appearing needy. Enjoy the tension and bathe in it, I usually say.
/r/seduction19/06/22 02:33 PM
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I'm speaking from a guy perspective, but I believe there is a lot of crossover here. Join groups and make friends of similar interests. Focus on socializing and meeting interesting people. That's priority #1. Priority #2 will be to meet a nice guy through these groups where you already share some similar interest. Keep up with the online. It's always gonna be more of a quantity issue. Matching with hundreds of people to only click with a couple of them can be disheartening, but trust me you don'…
/r/seduction19/06/22 02:30 PM
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I understand those feelings all too well. First you gotta understand you're 18 and what you are going through right now is temporary. I'm 34 and still have similar experiences of heartbreak. Despite being more seasoned, those moments still hurt. It's just not brand new to me. Also understand that it's ok to feel what you are feeling. It's normal. Especially for someone like her. It's like falling in love with an escort or stripper. She has got her own issues to sort out that you cannot help or s…
/r/seduction19/06/22 02:23 PM
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To bounce off of what you said: A woman's reality is truly different from a man's I agree that you have to strike while the iron is hot. The mistake is thinking that they are malicious in their behavior or we are somehow better than them because WE MEN don't do that, right? Right? Imagine constantly having people treat you nice because they want sex from you. And trust me they don't all look good or have good personalities. And most of them are physically bigger and stronger than you. And you ha…
/r/seduction19/06/22 01:59 PM
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It's kinda old so not sure if you can find it today. One of the books is called The Attraction Code by Vin DiCarlo.
/r/seduction19/06/22 01:43 PM
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Embrace who you are. It's ok to be more laid back. Don't try to fit other people's idea of what you should be. But if YOU want to be more talkative an easy way is to pick out a noun in the sentence the other person said and ask more about it or share a story that involves you on the subject.
/r/seduction19/06/22 01:42 PM
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Perception is reality. We are all delusional in some way convincing ourselves of a conspiracy theory or that a woman doesn't like us when in fact she does and vice versa. Might as well choose a delusion that benefits you until it becomes reality. Fake it til you make it. You are the product of millions of years of evolution from the best of the best. It is in your DNA to draw the opposite sex in. Imagine the first caveman who wasn't a product of evolution and his genes were pushed out of the poo…
/r/seduction19/06/22 01:06 PM
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There is such a thing as false friend zone. Just because someone says you are a friend doesn't necessarily mean you are actually in the friend zone. The 3 main things that will tell you if you are actually in the friend zone are: Are you close enough to each other to sleep in the same bed and nothing happens? Does she talk about other guys and ask your advice? (she may also try to hook you up with other women) Does she outright reject any physical/verbal escalation you attempt and mentions you a…
/r/seduction19/06/22 12:51 PM
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You are “OK” as you are right now You are comfortable in a position of leadership You have come to terms with your sexuality You have visions and goals outside of meeting women You bring an incredible positive energy into any social interaction You are unattached to outcomes and don’t get upset easily You have strict rules about what behavior you do or do not accept from other people You are interested in human psychology You are playful You are comfortable in social situations You have a deep k…
/r/seduction19/06/22 12:44 PM
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There are many types of openers (functional, situational, opinion, screening, and direct). You should start with Opinion Openers. They are like training wheels and will help you so you can focus on other things instead of trying to come up with something on the spot. When that happens you end up asking "so do you like music" essentially. Clubs are different, but you can still do some stuff. With group theory you always want to approach the loudest one first. They tend to be the leader of the gro…
/r/seduction19/06/22 12:38 PM
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Not just seduction, but relationships as a whole is the Before Trilogy. Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy are phenomenal. It's just two people talking. Mundane and realistic.
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:32 AM
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You gotta go back to the drawing board my friend. Learn group theory. Types of openers. Controlling your focus. Etc. There's a lot to unpack here and not enough space to write.
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:29 AM
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We are creatures of emotions first. Logic second. We are walking contradictions. Embrace it. If you are able to take her on an emotional journey and stimulate her mind and body that's enough that no amount of money or looks can beat. You're simply focusing on the wrong thing. Focusing on how things SHOULD be instead of what they ARE.
/r/seduction19/06/22 08:26 AM
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Remember the classic actions speak louder than words. Look at things from the overall perspective. And understand that the way she interprets the world around her is different from how you interpret things. In short: I don't think you should concern yourself with dry texting or hard teasing. She's just on a different spectrum than you. Go on a date.
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:33 PM
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Is he just not escalating things?
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:10 PM
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DM me your email and I can send you them.
/r/seduction17/06/22 06:08 PM
1

Then perhaps pull back for a bit and give it space. Go learn more about kino escalation and building sexual tension. Then come back after a few weeks and try again. You may think that becoming distance will hurt you, but in many cases it actually helps. It'll help both parties.
/r/seduction16/06/22 07:04 PM
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First off, your friend is full of it lol. I'm a veteran pickup artist and when I first started I thought I had a superpower and no woman could reject me. I mean that's what it feels like. You say or do something and you predict her reaction and she does exactly what you knew she would do despite barely knowing her. And I was very good at it. Used to teach men how to do it. But it's easy to "forget" our rejections and inflate our successes. Anyways you can only influence people, not control them.…
/r/seduction16/06/22 06:40 PM
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The key is qualification. Let your focus be on FUN first. And to avoid missing opportunities think of it as she is EARNING your interest the more you learn about her and THEN switch your focus on escalating things with her.
/r/seduction16/06/22 06:35 PM
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Every situation is different. It really depends on the circumstance. Sometimes you can become friends again right away or you need space first. Other times it just won't work and even the friendship is gone. Need more context.
/r/seduction16/06/22 06:32 PM
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Are you escalating things or is it flat? What happens when you try to escalate? Does it increase naturally or it becomes awkward after you try?
/r/seduction16/06/22 06:30 PM
2

So many things wrong here lol.
/r/seduction16/06/22 06:29 PM
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Double texts aren't the worst thing. And they definitely are not enough to ruin an entire romance or to make you seem "needy." Not every display of interest is needy so don't let anyone convince you that it was. I think you did enough. Now you have to sit back and chill. Try focusing on other things. Talking to other women if you can. If she truly has disappeared then wait two weeks and send a "probe" text. Something casual to see if she's open for conversation. As of right now the only action y…
/r/seduction16/06/22 12:55 AM
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I would love to hear the story about how someone lost the love of their life because they sent a follow up "?" and broke the double text rule. Sure double texting can be bad, but if that's enough for her to block you then in reality you never had her to begin with. Nothing you can do Usually I chalk these things up to an ex bf or something else I know nothing about. People's emotions change on a day to day basis so who knows what is going on with her. The only thing you have control over is your…
/r/seduction16/06/22 12:46 AM
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You have to spark desire again. Desire is when you can see your partner at a distance just outside your reach and they are in their element. Idk what skills you have, but she needs to observe you being good at something. You also need to understand that whatever we put our attention/focus on we give it power. So, for instance, if you and her keep talking about why she doesn't want sex then that manifests itself to be more real and strengthens it. Change her mood, not her mind. Never try to convi…
/r/seduction16/06/22 12:39 AM
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See what she does when she's upset with you. Does she immediately seek validation from other men or try to sort it out with you.
/r/seduction16/06/22 12:35 AM
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For me it was to remind myself that even hot girls have to sit on a toilet. Gross :P
/r/seduction16/06/22 12:34 AM
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It can be hard at the beginning for sure. You are unlearning a bunch of stuff we were taught while young. And there is such a thing as too hard. If you subscribe to the idea that every woman is obtainable with the right strategy then you can definitely find yourself obsessing over ones you cannot get and you end up going into the deep end trying to make your game "perfect."
/r/seduction16/06/22 12:33 AM
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Thing is if you were a true psycho then you'd lie straight to her face because that kind of screening doesn't actually work. They expect that kind of question to compel you to be honest and say "Actually that was my plan. Sorry." Lol
/r/seduction19/12/20 03:49 PM
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Love this
/r/seduction19/12/20 03:47 PM
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Very nicely done. Only thing I'd add is some group theory to reduce the risk her friends will convince her to go out with them instead of you. If they like you it definitely helps.
/r/seduction19/11/20 03:30 PM
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Agreed. Just don't want the stereotype that only unintelligent people get sucked into those types of relationships, but you're right.
/r/seduction12/11/20 04:30 PM
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Wow. This is just...wow. Women do not value disrespect and you're misunderstanding the situation. They are with abusers. And many people, both men and women, are ill equipped to deal with manipulative abusers. Especially intelligent people who believe they cannot possibly be duped into such a toxic relationship. They are the ones more likely to get into one.
/r/seduction12/11/20 10:17 AM
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Magic Bullets by Nick Savoy and/or The Attraction Code by Vin DiCarlo.
/r/seduction25/09/20 08:00 AM
2

Def should open with "bitches i want" lmao
/r/seduction25/09/20 07:42 AM
2

Teasing is neither cruel nor savage and adds a nice, fun dynamic to a conversation via flirting and can build attraction. It's also not something you have to adopt either. Bars/clubs are loud environments so yea you will be at a disadvantage at those places. Maybe just hang out at cafes and bookstores.
/r/seduction25/09/20 07:40 AM
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Confidence is tied to success/victories. Make your victories small and realistic to reach. Like getting a girls phone number or making her smile. These little victories will help build that confidence back up. As you go along you can set higher and higher challenges for yourself.
/r/seduction25/09/20 07:35 AM
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You definitely were too pushy and too available. After 20min of waiting you should've left. Not 2 hours and on more then one occasion. Sounds like you're heading straight to the friendzone so I would focus on building attraction and value in her eyes before you take any real steps forward.
/r/seduction25/09/20 07:33 AM
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...when your behavior comes from a place of desperate desire. They should come from a place of confidence and without expectation of something in return. And treat your affection as a reward that should be earned and not freely given.
/r/seduction11/09/20 04:38 PM
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Because you feel her lack of text is a result of you not saying you also had a good time you end up sending a text not from a place of calm assertiveness, but anxiousness. I think the text is still fine, but you have to watch out for that. Always text from a place of power.
/r/seduction11/09/20 01:26 PM
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I don't see anything wrong here. You're fine. She may just be testing you and you're at risk of failing. Just relax and keep doing you. And eventually yes you should let her know you have a genuine interest in her.
/r/seduction11/09/20 04:26 AM
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Just ask questions. Most people like talking about themselves and you'll seem interesting by being interested.
/r/seduction11/09/20 04:23 AM
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The secret truth is that she will always choose the guy who stimulates her emotions the most and puts her on a rollercoaster. Many guys don't know this. I've literally had muscular handsome guys talk about how they speak 3 languages and survived malaria in the peace core and how much money they make while I just nod my head like "that's cool man" and she comes to bed with me. None of that stuff matters as much as you think.
/r/seduction11/09/20 04:18 AM
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I think it's fine. Maybe she's just a bit concerned you'll be too clingy, but I wouldn't worry. Just disappear for a few days and don't hit her up this weekend. She'll get the hint she's not your priority and may relax a bit.
/r/seduction11/09/20 04:11 AM
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When I started out I literally would go by myself and make friends. That was my goal. It helped develop my social skills and makes the women easier than if you walk in in a stalking manner. So just go out by yourself with the goal of making friends and talk to everyone. Not just women you're interested in.
/r/seduction10/09/20 10:40 PM
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I'm a 10 year vet so it's all in my head. Though I do have a bunch of my old e-books from back in the day. Couldn't tell you much of any good modern stuff.
/r/seduction10/09/20 04:17 AM
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That's everyone's initial reaction, but every woman I've told that I "manipulated" them loved it because they got to FINALLY meet an interesting man. Everybody wins so it doesn't really matter. It's a tool therefore not evil in and of itself. Only the spiteful guy who uses it to get revenge on all women. Which is rare. Most guys just want the ability to have a shot at the one they really want without screwing it up before she even gets to know them. It's about them learning to be their best self…
/r/seduction10/09/20 04:15 AM
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That's direct approach. High risk/high reward. You did good. Not all guys can accept the amount of rejection direct approaches have compared to indirect, but the trade off is you skip all the beginning steps when it's successful. Keep going bud!
/r/seduction10/09/20 04:07 AM
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I'm also a 10 year vet of PUA. Married now. Nice to see another old head.
/r/seduction10/09/20 04:03 AM
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I see this most common when a woman wants to sleep with a man and he totally misses the opportunity. She then gets frustrated and bails.
/r/seduction10/09/20 04:00 AM
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Not to me it's not subjective. Some of it is sure. Everyone finds certain things attractive. But other things are universally attractive. And learning how to display them properly without bragging can be a wonderful skill to have. And that's not all of attraction either. There's push-pull, which is my personal favorite, that can put people on emotional rollercoasters to create tension and attraction. Though should be used cautiously since it can reach toxic levels.
/r/seduction10/09/20 03:58 AM
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I agree with you up to a point. In my opinion pretty much all the stuff is figured out and new books/videos are just the next "diet" trend. The truth is just eat more vegetables and less greasy stuff. However there are guys still eating junk and need to be taught how to eat veggies properly. Fake new diet = new seduction techniques that are untested and sound cool Eating healthy = learning the core of how attraction actually works and applying it
/r/seduction10/09/20 03:52 AM
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Don't ask. No. No. Take the lead. Check out the DiCarlo Escalation Ladder. That should help. What I like to do is to pull my body away after she's nice and warm so she gets cold and wants me back. When I go back in I can escalate a little further than before up to a point. Get her used to that then pull away again making it cold. Rinse and repeat.
/r/seduction10/09/20 03:46 AM
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Well that's bs. I remember I used to tell an old girlfriend that I don't think I ever wanted to get married and have kids. Even I believed it. Now I'm happily married and we're planning kids. Turns out it was just the ex I didn't want those things with. But since he's a FWB I guess it makes sense because he doesn't have to chase you.
/r/seduction07/09/20 02:00 PM
1

Wait what? Not into kissing?
/r/seduction07/09/20 01:19 PM
1

It may sound too simple, but the next time you two makeout you can either place his hand on you or you on him. That should be enough. If he still doesn't initiate you can move his hand under your clothes. I really hope he takes over after that point lol.
/r/seduction07/09/20 01:03 PM
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Do you feel he would not initiate? Usually you should be fine with just giving him obvious windows of opportunities for him to initiate. Such as suggestive clothing, flirting, and sexual innuendo.
/r/seduction07/09/20 11:39 AM
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You should've just hung out in the subreddit and just commented lol. No need to make a post.
/r/seduction04/09/20 06:56 PM
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It definitely doesn't work out if you start sleeping with each other. Even if you both are the most mature about the situation. Time always wins and one of you would get jealous anyways. But yea just cause you sleep with each other doesn't automatically mean a relationship. Just means your friendship is over lol.
/r/seduction03/09/20 08:22 PM
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That's a genuine response if I ever heard one. Maybe go with the go-to response I used to get years ago in similar situations. "Are you gay!?" Lol
/r/seduction03/09/20 08:15 PM
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Oh I see. The picture seems to be getting more clear. So you have these smart/interesting guys who are too shy to make a move. Even if you do first. And your outgoing personality sounds very contagious and I can see why those guys would want to be around you all the time. Though it seems to intimidate them when it comes to taking things a step further. Yea you're in a dilemma lol. Really sucks. Tell them to grow a pair haha.
/r/seduction03/09/20 08:09 PM
1

Interesting. So the last guy still admitted to something where the current one admits nothing. Is he a shy kind of guy or pretty confident in himself?
/r/seduction03/09/20 07:57 PM
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The way men and women approach romance is just totally different generally speaking. I'm with you. It looks totally weird. I'm trying to think of a situation where he actually does have feelings for you yet didn't take the opportunity to respond in a favorable way to your confession. It could be he's too afraid to jeopardize the friendship, but I feel he would've mentioned that in his rejection. Plus many guys would've jumped at the chance to start dating a woman they liked if she approached him…
/r/seduction03/09/20 07:50 PM
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If that's his strategy it's total bonkers and has a huge risk of not even working. He could have the same effect on her without going to that extreme. Also she didn't mention any history of her rejecting him which would prompt this kind of strategy from a guy so it just doesn't fit the puzzle in my opinion.
/r/seduction03/09/20 07:38 PM
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Either he's doing some very elaborate scheme to seduce you or perhaps you didn't see the OTHER signs that would've let you know his intentions. This is in no way meant to offend you. Everyone sees what they want to see. And seeing it from your perspective I can agree with you and say "yea. none of this makes sense. He seems very interested." Which leads me to believe that maybe you just didn't notice other stuff that would have let you know he wasn't interested in that way. But no worries. It ha…
/r/seduction03/09/20 07:35 PM
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This dude's on point. Good stuff man.
/r/seduction03/09/20 07:26 PM
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Dude, I totally get it. I knew a girl back in high school that we were on and off as a couple AND as friends. Lots of drama. Never went all the way. Fast forward about 10 years later and I'm in my first year of studying PUA and we get back in touch. I decide to use what I learned to finally do what I couldn't do back in high school. Took me about 2 weeks to do what I couldn't for years back then. And it only took that long because we could only meet up on the weekend. I told my best friend after…
/r/seduction03/09/20 07:25 PM
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Sure that's fine
/r/seduction01/09/20 08:35 AM
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Honestly I don't know any current stuff. I got married and don't do stuff that much these days. Just try googling pua frame control.
/r/seduction01/09/20 08:32 AM
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This is where it gets deep. You have to learn about frames and frame control. It's the single greatest thing I learned when I was studying PUA. It's summed up by a quote by Nietzche. "All things are subject to interpretation. Whichever interpretation prevails at any given time is a result of power, not truth." Once I fully understood this quote it was like a curtain lifted. I realized everyone lives in their own bubbles of reality filled with morals and beliefs that I could influence if I had a …
/r/seduction01/09/20 08:29 AM
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Yes. That's how I see attraction. I see pure attraction as a magnet. People who just always have people wanting to be around them because they have a magnetic personality. That's usually tied to your ability to make people like you which is then tied to making them feel good.
/r/seduction01/09/20 08:19 AM
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There's usually a way to turn it around even if he does act tough with you. As long as you show you are unphased by his aggression and show that you are looking to have a good time you can make them look like the weirdo and his friends will actually defend you. But this is rare because if you go in first with compliments it usually does the trick and you won't have to deal with that. It's also important to know how to distract people. Give him an easy out if he feels foolish about his behavior. …
/r/seduction01/09/20 08:12 AM
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He's not a woman where you need to tease him to create a value gap and build attraction. Guys are totally different. The goal is to disarm him. Unless you plan on complimenting all night it doesn't make you weak or less valued than him. Leaders SHARE value and make others want their approval. Competing as in bragging about what they have or accomplished to appear more of a candidate for her than you and you feeling compelled to do the same things and start to brag. You have to just let him brag …
/r/seduction01/09/20 07:55 AM
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That's just caveman brutality mentality. The leaders were smart enough to get the strong dumb ones to work for them. Not compete with them over a woman.
/r/seduction01/09/20 07:38 AM
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Easy. Compliment the guy. Confuse him for a celebrity. If he's muscular ask him for tips. Tattoos, then ask him where he gets them done and they're awesome. Many a confrontations have been settled with this or used beforehand to avoid any cockblocking later on. Don't fall in the trap of feeling like you have to compete. You're not a dancing monkey. Let them do that for you and look like idiots.
/r/seduction01/09/20 07:35 AM
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Lol I def know what you mean though. In my past I remember meeting some women that I thought would never do those things and they totally did. I still have narcissistic tendencies that I'm working through. I was much worse 10 years ago when I got into PUA. Just remember to count your rejections too. Otherwise you get a skewed view of your success and will stop learning from those rejections.
/r/seduction28/08/20 05:09 PM
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You must've never met my wife.
/r/seduction28/08/20 03:58 PM
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I actually pride myself when it comes to loud clubs. I used to have this whole routine before I got married. A lot of it revolves around building attraction through dance and body language. Finding one liners to make them smile. Also knowing which corner you could have a conversation if need be. I cringe whenever I see a guy talking in a woman's ear for 5 min on the dance floor. She ALWAYS looks uncomfortable.
/r/seduction28/08/20 08:37 AM
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This. Also he should get her attracted first. Don't just get to know her, but flirt.
/r/seduction28/08/20 05:26 AM
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You could def have another shot sure. It's just those couple of times I thought I had it in the bag and didn't just always bugged me because if I tried a littler harder it would've turned out differently.
/r/seduction28/08/20 04:21 AM
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Also he should be socializing imo. Rather than standing alone scanning the crowds. Just looks better from her perspective.
/r/seduction28/08/20 04:17 AM
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I like slower too, but in reality the faster the better. Women tend to sleep with only one guy at a time. With that said I've had a couple of occasions where I took it slow and figured "that's alright. We'll finished what we started tomorrow night." And then she'd sleep with another guy and wouldn't hear from her.
/r/seduction28/08/20 04:16 AM
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Lmao I used to wear them
/r/seduction22/08/20 06:10 PM
1

Did you ever learn sign language? Or do you only use index cards?
/r/seduction22/08/20 01:45 AM
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Great stuff
/r/seduction21/08/20 10:54 PM
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There's a lot to go over. I'm not sure what material you have access to, but start with researching push/pull and mindsets.
/r/seduction21/08/20 05:52 AM
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I mean you could stretch this out for months maybe even years on and off. All you gotta do is take her off top priority and just keep her in the background.
/r/seduction21/08/20 04:31 AM
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Nice one man. It all depends on your goals. If you are looking for something healthy and long term I'm sure you already know she's not it. If you want to continue I say go for it. You're not psychic so don't pretend you know what the future holds and go with the flow. You're doing great though so keep it up.
/r/seduction21/08/20 03:08 AM
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There are general universal things that most women find attractive. I'll use MM here because that's what works. Here are the universal attraction switches Leader of your group of friends Protector of people you care about Other women want you You walk into a place and everyone knows you Willingnes to show emotion at the right time Willingness to walk away at the right time There are others, but those are the main ones. And everyone has their specific things they find attractive, but these are th…
/r/seduction21/08/20 03:03 AM
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It takes quite a bit to get into a genuine friendzone. He's just in the preliminary stages where it looks legit, but it's actually not and very easy to get out of.
/r/seduction21/08/20 02:59 AM
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She's open to you, but not attracted...yet. You basically have an invitation to build interest and attraction. There are many techniques to use to do that so that's what I would focus on. Just understand that attraction is like a balloon you need to blow up and if you stop then it deflates. You haven't filled the balloon at all and she's basically waiting for you to do it. Take the lead.
/r/seduction21/08/20 02:58 AM
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Disagree. That's a terrible way to approach things
/r/seduction21/08/20 02:56 AM
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Use push/pull. It validates someone then rips it away. Keeps them on their toes and they can't figure you out and raises the tension.
/r/seduction20/08/20 10:20 PM
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Approach approach approach. You have to practice and on women you don't care about the outcome. If you live in a small town then go to the city. You have to get yourself accustomed to it. Repetition is key.
/r/seduction20/08/20 10:18 PM
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This^ My brother uses the same excuse as a reason to not approach at all when really he's just shy. He's never had a gf.
/r/seduction20/08/20 10:15 PM
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What's your dating history like? How many dates have you been on just this year? What's your longest relationship and when did it end?
/r/seduction20/08/20 10:13 PM
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I feel totally comfortable showing emotion in front of my wife. Maybe tell us a few examples from your long term relationships so we better understand what it is they are not responding well to.
/r/seduction20/08/20 10:10 PM
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I definitely hear ya. And you're right. Maybe he does need to move on. But he's gonna do what he's gonna do.
/r/seduction20/08/20 12:56 AM
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Yes we had sex. I'm not trying to have a play of words to disguise something. What happened is we met at a bar and danced. I had a gf at the time and was simply showing some friends how to do what I do and they chose her for me to go after. Eventually it was time to leave and as I was leaving she asked for my number and we started talking. After a few weeks me and my girl broke up and her and her bf a week later. Then that's when she started coming over and I slowly escalated things until we sta…
/r/seduction20/08/20 12:48 AM
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We slept together. Didn't end well and she went back to the ex, but that's a whole other story. Point is she came to see me almost every day because I created the idea of I'm an escape from her stressful life.
/r/seduction20/08/20 12:40 AM
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Because I've done it before. Becoming the rock solid escape in her life. It's a powerful angle to play with a woman that's going through a fresh breakup. I'm not telling him to fall for her. That's his choice. I'm simply helping him get to a place where he can become intimate with her.
/r/seduction20/08/20 12:34 AM
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What was the last text message? I'm basing it on the info you've posted. There's a lot of nuance that I don't know. If your last text required a response then you would do something different than if it didn't require a response.
/r/seduction20/08/20 12:32 AM
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Open with a joke. "Hey just thought you should know I hate texting and prefer pigeon messages. I'd like to see you again. I'll be awaiting your pigeon madam."
/r/seduction19/08/20 10:28 PM
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I mean just based on the context and info presented here I would straight up get her a gift. Something small. There's a basic template to follow when it comes to seduction, but you must know how to calibrate. You're dealing with a married woman going through a very exhausting, stressful, horrible divorce. Not some drunk single party girl at the bar without a care in the world. So calibrate to her. I would become a rock solid escape for her and bring her nothing but positivity and a nonchalant at…
/r/seduction19/08/20 10:20 PM
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Never apologize for your emotions. Just the actions you take based on them. Feel whatever you want. Don't let any of these guys tell you otherwise. Guarantee they're dealing with their own stuff and simply making it look like they don't care when they really do. What's important is you don't act needy or weak towards her. Be cautious of your next steps because your actions will filter through your pain and may betray what you feel to her and she'll find out. Fake it til you make it.
/r/seduction19/08/20 10:13 PM
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You should take the reigns on this one. Sounds like she's looking for a man to lead her and possibly help her temporarily escape her current hell from time to time. Become her escape and don't wait for her permission to take the lead.
/r/seduction19/08/20 10:08 PM
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...or was he delivering pizza or fixing her plumbing.
/r/seduction19/08/20 08:18 PM
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I'm confused. You say you catch her looking at your crotch then call her in your office to apologize for putting it in front of her face? Then ask her out? This comes off awkward just from reading it if I'm interpreting it correctly. Socially intelligent people don't acknowledge that sexual tension exists. They just let it hang and work behind the scenes.
/r/seduction19/08/20 08:10 PM
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There is no context for this story at all lol.
/r/seduction19/08/20 08:03 PM
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Men and women are similar in that if you can stimulate his emotions it makes you intriguing. You can put him on a little roller coaster with push/pull without it getting to toxic/unhealthy levels. As far as universal interests guys tend to be drawn to? I feel like that's a short list because every guy is different. Some like confidence or shyness, that kind of thing. Mostly it has to do with being just out of reach of his grasp. Everyone likes a little challenge. Things like keep your texts shor…
/r/seduction19/08/20 04:34 PM
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There are many many things you can do. My personal favorite is push/pull. It's just the idea of giving someone validation then taking it away. It creates tension because he/she is on their toes and have a hard time reading you. You can push/pull with your words and/or body language. There are literal hundreds (maybe thousands) of combinations because it is very situation based and you have to come up with these on the fly. Examples: - "I love the color of your eyes. Too bad you talk a lot." - "I…
/r/seduction19/08/20 03:14 PM
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