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I have dated several(and married one) people (women) that are objectively much more attractive than me physically. At one point my friends gave me the nickname “Sam Malone” after Ted Danson’s Cheers character. They never could figure out why I could punch so high above my weight class. But several points in this thread are very informative IMO about what a person can do to display values that are attractive. What I would have told them if I had had the heart: You lack curiosity. You don’t talk t…
/r/seduction26/07/26 05:28 PM
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I don’t like to generalize but it has been very rare for women to initiate in my life.
/r/seduction12/08/25 02:30 PM
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Be quiet. Be yourself. Be strong and stalwart. Show appreciation. Rinse and repeat.
/r/askMRP26/07/23 11:38 PM
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I’m wondering how you managed to dig deeper into the hole you’re in even after being given a carte blanche Hall Pass???
/r/askMRP15/12/22 02:28 AM
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Stomp on your own dick much??
/r/askMRP05/12/20 04:27 AM
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Get a home gym. STFU 75% more. Adjust. Define your frame mentally, physically, financially and relationally to yourself & others. Probably address your seeming ADD or impulse control issues(🤚🏻). Write down your own goals in short & long term and revisit frequently. Push yourself hard, always. If pushing forgive occasional fuck ups. Keep getting up off the mat. As stated above, nobody cares @ others much. This revelation should be your freedom—your armor. Motivation to be a peak apex person: ther…
/r/askMRP29/10/20 02:22 AM
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In the weeds: lost without a direction out. “Elevate” above all the petty hangups & debates. If you have a clear mission and reduce excellence to the basics (frame, body, $, family, relationships) and constantly and incrementally improve, you will find yourself looking down & back on where you are now. Less important things will fall away. You will be stunned by this perspective change.
/r/askMRP25/10/20 12:18 AM
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Maybe you can swing a discount on therapy for you and the kid who isn’t loved as much. You are in the weeds. Elevate and get some perspective ffs.
/r/askMRP24/10/20 07:06 PM
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Always stay calm and state your position without wavering IF it is truly important to respond. 95% of the time STFU is best. I have thrown 2 in laws out of my house for being disrespectful and they behaved afterwards. Don’t bully or be bullied. Be a rock and do not waver or stoop to lower levels of words or deeds.
/r/askMRP28/08/20 07:47 PM
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Alternate viewpoint: maybe you act Beta when interacting with your son & don’t see it but she does? How we handle our offspring and household are huge benchmarks in this process. I noticed a marked change in her behavior/attitude when I stopped negotiating everything with my sons and just told them to handle their shit.
/r/askMRP21/12/19 06:29 PM
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Lol so true. Given time he’s going to see his upset is based on rejection, not true affection for this clownshow of an ex.
/r/askMRP16/12/19 04:36 PM
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He’s doing you a favor so why ruin it?!?
/r/askMRP16/12/19 04:27 PM
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Is this a skit?
/r/askMRP03/11/19 05:18 AM
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Silence is golden. You seem to suffer from classic “analysis paralysis”. It seems best to get some space & shut the hamster circus down. When you feel clear, write down what your objective mind tells you to do and refer to this “contract” every time you get in you or your ex’s feelz. My .02
/r/askMRP10/10/19 03:13 AM
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Trust but verify IMO. Just go to your phone billing site and see if there’s tons of calls/texts from a # you don’t recognize and if so, find out who it belongs to. Yes, that initial investigation is super in her frame but unless you don’t care (which you do) or are willing to nuke it down based on circumstantial “evidence”, gathering intel and making an informed decision is probably best. I’d do this recon even before the old “golly your phone’s locked” trick, so I already knew the answer and wh…
/r/MarriedRedPill09/09/19 06:15 PM
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Lol. I’m not the one here looking for advice.
/r/askMRP07/09/19 09:06 PM
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I just lay out what is best for the family and why. She can tell I’m being honest and acting in our best interests. The day she doesn’t will be a bridge to cross for both of us with the very real possibility we’ll be on opposite sides—forever. It’s fundamental to Captaincy and FO relationships. There is a standard for decisions and behaviors and it lives firmly within your frame and is clearly articulated without hysterics. The response you get is the reflection of shared values. Expect possible…
/r/askMRP07/09/19 06:34 PM
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Edited because you’re already in deep & don’t need me piling on. Good luck.
/r/askMRP07/09/19 06:23 PM
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Frame to me is a reflection of internal strength, resolve and confidence/independence—built stone by stone through goal setting and passing progressively harder self-defined challenges. Then projecting that outwards calmly and consistently.
/r/askMRP11/08/19 05:52 PM
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Met her briefly in passing with mutual female friend. Bought four tickets to an upcoming concert—2 for us, one for my roommate, one for my friend. Went on double date, had fun, got wasted, made out. Brought her coffee and a pastry for her hangover next day. Married 20 years now.
/r/askMRP16/07/19 04:44 AM
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For me, STFU was step one in frame maintenance. Most betas want to talk about their feelz and/or be bitchy back to a bitchy statement. I try not to sulk or pout—I analyze and think about what happened & how I can deal with it better next time. Conflict is like a fire that requires fuel. Don’t burrow up your own ass or anything—just think about what you are trying to achieve and how you’re doing it.
/r/askMRP15/04/19 02:27 PM
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I can’t wait to see the “sweetness and light” version of you when this is finally over! 😂😎🙌🏼
/r/MarriedRedPill27/03/19 03:25 PM
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Jesus I’ve got work to do. Almost 50 and you guys are crushing it/me. Thanks for the motivation! 🙌🏼
/r/askMRP06/03/19 12:20 AM
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I believe it is an understandable challenge of re-building yourself from the ground up and the inside out. We see the world with new eyes and new resolve that doesn’t leave a lot of room or desire to comfort others because, if done with purpose, self development by its very nature creates a toughness and isolation that those around us find new, perplexing and probably unsettling and confusing. This is something I am currently failing in. My wife’s sister took her life a few weeks ago and she is …
/r/askMRP02/03/19 05:27 PM
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I see a lot of room for D & D analogies in MRP. You have to know when to kite in a plate, attack spouse from range, tank your workout...the list goes on and on. (My sons found an old banker box full of that shit in the garage and asked to play. Been one of the best family activities in our house since--teamwork, math, co-ordination of efforts...actually a legit Captain exercise IMO.) Or maybe I'm just a closeted gay elf??
/r/MarriedRedPill01/03/19 04:10 PM
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I’m not going to go the morbid curiosity route and peep your history but I get that you are a POS beta assclown. Yesterday. Today is a new day. Don’t waste it.
/r/askMRP21/02/19 08:22 PM
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Got her a card. She took me out to dinner and drinks and a local event. She initiated sex and date night. Can't believe how easy this year was. Thanks, RP!!
/r/askMRP18/02/19 11:12 PM
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I been around women my whole life. I know how they work. When they are thinking of cheating and not. She’s not. And yet you still check her phone. "for the time". Yeah...right.
/r/askMRP15/02/19 11:12 PM
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Honestly the hardest thing I have had to let go of (aside from junk food and people pleasing). Fear. Fuck fear. Embrace the fact daily that you are worm food rotting on the bone. All else is irrelevant. Keep your side of the street clean man. You can't control shit.
/r/askMRP15/02/19 10:39 PM
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Got a gym membership, but need to find a workout buddy for accountability and spotter for free weights. Screw that. I've been lifting free weights by myself since Day 1. Get SL 5x5 on your phone. Start with the bar. That should keep you busy for at least a few months. I'm just now getting ready to break the 200 lb barrier on most of my 25 rep weights, so I will need a machine or a spotter before too long. But don't let spotting be an obstacle if you're doing it right and starting low. You seem s…
/r/askMRP15/02/19 06:59 PM
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He just forgot, that's all.
/r/askMRP14/02/19 11:03 PM
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Pancakes in the shape of hearts??? Why not just make them in the shape of your dick and balls so she can destroy them too. My God. Slap yourself. So relieved I got a card and that's it. MIGHT down some wine and let her pick a movie. Maybe. If I feel like it. Probably a better choice is to go to the bars and wait for sad singles to get drunk. Like a city wide wedding reception, eh?
/r/askMRP14/02/19 11:01 PM
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It’s a trap! She literally set his ass up.
/r/MarriedRedPill12/02/19 02:51 AM
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I have a lot of experience with the death of a family member, unfortunately. Death and grieving can have long effects on people, almost directly correlated to the nature of the relationship. The deeper or more problematic the relationship, the more difficult it will be to properly assimilate and "move on" from the event. Short term, do what you're doing--be patient, kind and available. Long term I would recommend she seek some counseling for grief and unresolved issues r.e. her father. I also re…
/r/MarriedRedPill07/02/19 05:04 PM
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Who the fuck eats in bed in the first place?? You people are NASTY LOL!! Bring chopsticks next time with a bottle of soy sauce.
/r/askMRP05/02/19 09:46 PM
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The first time I got the “hurry up starfish” routine post RP I just slapped her ass gently, shook my head and gave her a “oh well/ok” grin & got up slowly and left the room. Her hamster went into ORBIT. She came out after me and was completely dumbfounded and emotional about me leaving. I told her “I’d rather not have sex at all if it’s just duty sex”. Lots of tears and wanted to start a fight. I just remained quiet, STFU and left a spot for her on the couch next to me, which she eventually sat …
/r/askMRP05/02/19 05:56 PM
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I don't know bro--not sure how much I'd enjoy a BJ I had to use a coupon for. Seems like giving Mommy vacuuming coupons on Mother's Day when we were kids...not sure of all the angles but negotiated sex/choreplay combos seems counter-intuitive and not in the realm of what we're trying to accomplish here. Interested to hear how this turns out, ultimately. Maybe your lady finds it fun somehow. Mine would think I was being super gay and needy.
/r/askMRP01/02/19 09:04 PM
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This. The point of this sub and the framework behind it is you are striving to be a man who honors himself and would have no problem happily walking away from ANY situation and burning it down as a free man. Without malice. https://imgur.com/gallery/mXuLg (not my gallery but...works)
/r/askMRP01/02/19 04:30 PM
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Dave Ramsey has some good insights into debt reduction, as well as long term strategies for increasing positive cash flow and emergency funds. Pretty basic stuff but clearly lined out and presented in a slightly MLM/Amwayesque cult tone. I also recommend the other sub mentioned by BirdManBrrrr. https://www.reddit.com/r/DaveRamsey
/r/askMRP31/01/19 04:35 PM
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This seems to follow the same general trend here of (other) new/young guys treating their LTRs like "In Case of Sex, Break Glass" objects. IMO there is a HUGE difference between a casual plate type woman who you would only be with for a very limited number of things (sex, arm candy, work functions, sex) and have an expectation of limited dose extroversion or extremely predictable passivity vs. a LTR or spouse. One of the things I'm struggling with Post RP ingestion is just how boring my wife is.…
/r/askMRP30/01/19 07:00 PM
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Nice even She Count of 20!
/r/askMRP30/01/19 06:51 PM
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"Slightly less" is probably more than I deserve. Abundance comes from the well of retardation.
/r/askMRP30/01/19 12:44 AM
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I look at the day I started to seriously lift and dive into RP principles and behaviors as my new Birthday. The date is etched indelibly on my soul: 8/18/18. In my opinion, 99% of the problems previous to that date were my fault. I know for a FACT my wife had at least a long distance EA years ago. I'm pretty sure at some point she probably got fucked up and screwed some guy as well. I had complete proof of the former, threw the evidence in her face and ended it. The latter?? I have zero evidence…
/r/askMRP29/01/19 11:56 PM
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I just find a particular song or genre I like and create a Radio Station on Itunes. I know you can do similar on other platforms. For some reason OG Rap gets me through my sets the best. I think it's the anger, Red Pill attitude and the beat. Everyone is different--listening to Henry Rollins' "The Iron" essay today he said he feels romantic when lifting and likes to listen to ballads?!? LOL. To each his own--whatever does the job!! If you do a search for "Weight Lifting" or "Workout" you're goin…
/r/askMRP29/01/19 12:10 AM
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Save yourself the hassle and just do it yourself. I attempted to allow mine to be part of the process and it was a nightmare. I told her the first thing to do was research appropriate vehicles (basic, safe and reliable used commuter car). Second was that we would attempt to pay cash &/or utilize a "diamond" credit rating for a very low interest loan through our credit union. Third was we would go together to inspect, test drive and select a vehicle with financing in hand, thus eliminating hidden…
/r/askMRP28/01/19 05:39 PM
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I hope so. Your wife has pulled a very devastating rug out from under you--as we all know, you probably deserved it. IMO that doesn't excuse that kind of behavior. Not sure I could live with the vivid imagery some here have painted of her activities. Not sure if people really can or will change, or just talk the talk when their bullshit is exposed. Staying without a very unusual, specific and strong plan has got to be almost impossible. You may have to change the rules of the marriage drasticall…
/r/askMRP25/01/19 05:03 PM
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"Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt The most decisive and "correct" course of action here is to end the marriage, obviously. The incorrect action is the one you are proposing, which is to live in an ambiguous middle ground where your self respect and that of your child…
/r/askMRP25/01/19 04:54 PM
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I honestly feel sorry for you man. It's painfully obvious you care about her and are rationalizing how to keep the marriage. MRP is about caring about yourself first and foremost--then ALLOWING a worthy woman to share your life with you. Current marriages are often salvageable but not primary to this endeavor. If I found this out right now I would get all my shit dialed and then pull the pin. If she truly wanted to stay and reform (as we are all doing as well, right?), that bridge would then be …
/r/askMRP24/01/19 07:49 PM
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You’re trying to assimilate a lot of new information you’re learning about yourself (namely your impotent insecurity) and your wife (dishonesty and gaslighting/projecting). What’s important is that you now realize that this can’t continue the way that it was. I was you—caught in a pathetic death spiral of fear and self-loathing and anger at my partner’s natural response to my unattractiveness. This was before I found this sub. I vowed to draw an indelible line between the past and the NOW. There…
/r/askMRP21/01/19 08:21 PM
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You’re hyper analyzing everything. You need to keep ratcheting your SMV, leadership and OI up and see all this from 10,000 feet. Sidebar is crucial.
/r/askMRP21/01/19 07:45 PM
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Why the fuck does Gillette even feel the need to do this?? That's some stupid shit right there...like a gun company lobbying for gun control?
/r/MarriedRedPill17/01/19 08:12 PM
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Thanks. It’s something we need to talk about more—most LTR’s or marriages have been screwed up for a looong time. A sudden and dramatic change from Beta pussy to Captain Liftsalot is going to raise some questions. Responding strategically is pretty key IMO. You can seriously fuck up the MAP if you don’t.
/r/askMRP17/01/19 01:02 AM
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I should clarify that I meant don’t go Rambo and get stuck there 24/7. You are correct that being a dick at times (usually when she’s being a teen and has dropped the ball AGAIN or tries to shit test on something laughable) is effective AND satisfying. When she plays stupid games she gets stupid prizes.
/r/askMRP16/01/19 07:59 PM
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For some of us the relationship is so long that a change of this magnitude will obviously invite questions from our spouse. The sight of me lifting every other day at 5:30am or at 10pm, outside, regardless of weather was truly shocking to mine. When I kept it up for months and still do, along with simply getting shit done and leading firmly and authoritatively, she was even more baffled. When I took time leading up to sex and during, creating a completely different experience for both of us,she …
/r/askMRP16/01/19 07:51 PM
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I agree with this as well. Some of us actually vetted and married fairly decent women, as evidenced by them actually putting up with our bullshit beta faggot behaviors for so long. It's a slow rebuild for sure, but if you don't go Rambo and follow the age old wisdom of "say what you mean and mean what say", combined with ramping up the intimacy, emotion and variety levels in and out of the bedroom, I believe it can be done. I'm still light years from where I want to be, but arguably much closer …
/r/askMRP14/01/19 10:44 PM
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The old saw is that “men want to be needed and women need to be wanted”. 30+ years of dating and marriage truly bears this out. If you can transcend the dependence on feeling you must be “needed” to have self-worth and attune to/manipulate the female imperative to be “wanted”, you can navigate this intersex mine field much more smoothly .
/r/MarriedRedPill13/01/19 01:09 AM
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Jesus wept. If that’s what your pre-shark week shit is like I’m going to have to be more thankful that mine is just some tears, chocolate and minor shit/comfort testing. What an infant.
/r/askMRP09/01/19 06:40 PM
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No guarantees. Future tripping is borrowed trouble. Be a beast and do what a beast does. All else will follow.
/r/askMRP08/01/19 05:37 PM
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LOL. Oh, I get it. I'm just playing this string out to see where it goes. The stay plan is the same as the go plan. We went from End Game to Game On so we shall see. This is a learning experience. I'm old, wise and bitter and still have a couple kids at home for a minute. After they're gone, all bets are truly off. In the meantime, I hone my edge and get this Father Figure in pantie dropping form.
/r/askMRP08/01/19 12:57 AM
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Not sure which one of us you’re talking to there @karma etc but I agree completely that if mine isn’t going to offer the same level of exposure there’s no fucking way I will. I honestly think it was the classic “I’ll feel better when I leave him” move r.e. counseling, but the tables have turned a bit since then. Due to some health issues on her part and my own regained Captaincy, lifting, NGAF etc I don’t want to give her any self advocacy or bullshit rationalizations to swing her negative focus…
/r/askMRP07/01/19 11:16 PM
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Any advice on this? I agreed to MC pre RP and it is a joke, mainly because my spouse cannot or will not share any serious emotion yet is happy to sit and expect me to. Even the counselor seems exasperated with her. I have begun to STFU more and more in these sessions and it isn’t being held against me apparently, as the counselor has seen evidence of me being extremely honest and articulate and the wife totally clenched. Of course rational thought has nothing to do with this at all—merely lookin…
/r/askMRP07/01/19 08:47 PM
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I had my “come to Jesus” moment here on this sub @ worrying about ex’s, affairs, GNO’s etc. I’d like to think I’ve made peace with the idea. I used to sneak and do serious stalker shit. With my own wife. Best feeling ever was getting that urge again and honestly thinking “fuck it—who cares??”. Living in fear of that shit is truly living in her frame and embracing a lesser SMV. Deal with real behavior and knowledge if and when it presents itself.
/r/MarriedRedPill06/01/19 11:40 PM
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I’m almost 7 years older than mine and I’d say our post-40 looks are on par. The wall is brutal to women after 40. Works for me since my SMV gap has closed dramatically in the last few years. But if you want to have a family, etc you are already in a biological danger zone.
/r/askMRP05/01/19 05:47 PM
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I’m old so it was a Brady Bunch reference.
/r/askMRP03/01/19 06:04 PM
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Not knowing her YOU are the best judge of what may happen. I agree that your children could use a positive female figure in their lives. I would do anything for mine. I imagine there are others here much more qualified to recommend insurance/steps to allay future financial liabilities. Personally I take the direct and honest approach up to failing to recognize AWALT and tipping any strategic strengths I may have due to AWALT. Good luck. PS: if you guys split, who gets Alice??? 😎
/r/askMRP03/01/19 04:12 PM
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Sounds like you are inching deeper into a legal commitment despite your intentions and external front.
/r/askMRP03/01/19 03:06 PM
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I’m lazy af and old as dirt. SL5x5 has me lifting every day or two for the last few months, is easy to implement and follow, easily edited and linked to other apps etc etc etc. It’s a simple, compact program that takes very little daily time and prevents post “honeymoon quitting” syndrome. I see obvious results visually and feel them mentally. I can’t wait to cut soon and really see the benefits. You can do a hell of a lot worse. K.I.S.S.
/r/askMRP03/01/19 02:15 PM
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"mistakes were made" LOL!! I'm going to remember that one.
/r/askMRP02/01/19 05:32 PM
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I read.
/r/askMRP30/12/18 02:32 AM
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Sounds solid, thanks.
/r/askMRP28/12/18 02:04 AM
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Get a room you two.
/r/askMRP28/12/18 12:00 AM
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I've been eating generally cleaner with a focus on more protein and lifting for my exercise exclusively. I'm adding muscle and apparently losing fat as my weight is going down a bit every week. I feel like I'm bulking but just eating cleaner/better. If i continue to lift and want to drop some weight/tone, what kind of cardio would you recommend? I'm leaning towards sprints or bag work. I hate running. I'd like to stay strong/big vs. too lean, ultimately. Any suggestions?
/r/askMRP27/12/18 10:58 PM
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It’s heartening to know that even us old guys have some pretty obvious lessons to learn—and aren’t afraid to humble ourselves a bit for the good of the group.
/r/MarriedRedPill27/12/18 12:07 AM
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As a very right brained male married to a very linear woman, I can attest that getting into an emotional space (which is easy for me, hard for her go figure) leads to much better sex and intimacy. On the rare occasions that she wants to talk I can see the excitement in her demeanor, something that is very rarely apparent. The emotions of whatever she wants to share definitely trigger a physical response. Last night, after putting up with a lot of her family BS and just straight up getting shit d…
/r/MarriedRedPill26/12/18 11:43 PM
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Do you self medicate due to the ADHD? That can be an issue.
/r/MarriedRedPill26/12/18 04:03 AM
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I don’t want to work out at the same time is all. I want that time and space to myself. My wife and I have different spaces for fitness & we like that time to ourselves.
/r/askMRP25/12/18 07:12 AM
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Lifting is a sanctified space to get in touch with your pure masculinity. I don’t invite mine to poker games either.
/r/askMRP25/12/18 05:49 AM
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I’m not endorsing playing by anyone’s rules but your own. Almost every interaction in life is a contest of wills to see who can get what they want.
/r/MarriedRedPill22/12/18 05:44 PM
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Don’t hate the player, hate the game. 😎
/r/MarriedRedPill22/12/18 03:47 AM
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Shut your fucking mouth and lift already. Don't talk about shit, do shit. C'mon man...you should be wearing out kneecaps kicking YOUR OWN ass right now!!
/r/MarriedRedPill21/12/18 09:49 PM
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Good shit, man. Appreciate the laugh!
/r/MarriedRedPill21/12/18 06:23 PM
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What's the best way to get this tested? Appointment with a GP? I'm not overly worried about mine as I'm bald, hairy, muscular and naturally aggressive. As I end my 40's I AM feeling a bit less strong and not as high libido as I used to be--which was pretty damn high so probably "normal" now lol. I am taking some herbal supplements that certainly help in the libido department but they are fast acting and seem short-term. ​
/r/askMRP21/12/18 04:25 PM
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Another buried lead.
/r/askMRP21/12/18 02:15 PM
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I’ve thrown two in laws out of my house for disrespecting me. I’d throw my own family members out too. Draw the boundaries that should have been drawn before. If he doesn’t like them, tell him to GTFO. Maybe your husband can borrow YOUR balls next time?!? Why are you wasting time on this man?
/r/askMRP21/12/18 06:25 AM
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Welcome to the Matrix, Neo.
/r/askMRP20/12/18 11:26 PM
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Go up to the right corner ellipses "..." and click on Community Info.
/r/askMRP20/12/18 11:24 PM
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Quit smoking the herb man. I quit cold turkey and have felt like a fucking champion ever since. I have one drink a night, usually a straight bourbon while looking my wife right in the eye and indicating what I'm going to do to her later non verbally. You need to watch every Steve McQueen and Clint Eastwood movie in the pantheon and get your shit dialed.
/r/askMRP20/12/18 11:15 PM
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You are in full marionette mode here man. VR porn while taking bong hits and shotgunning beers?!? C'mon bro. You are her beta fukboi. As many here are going to say: lift, sidebar, OI, frame etc etc. And now you have to be Daddy, which I can tell you from doing it, aint leaving a lot of energy for kino and gaming. Get on top of this shit...like yesterday. Good luck.
/r/askMRP20/12/18 11:13 PM
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I haven't gone more than two days without lifting. If I go more than 1 day I start feeling a noticeable dip in my edge and a drift toward feelz. Could be that I'm so fucking old that my T fluctuates like teenage acne...who knows. But I definitely miss the DOMS on day 3 and hit the weights again. Put yourself in more male dominated environments. I am a white collar manager in a blue collar world and have to deal with aggressive employees and customers all the time. Since swallowing the pill I get…
/r/askMRP20/12/18 10:54 PM
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The FIRST major change from reading/WORKing the sidebar was the death of analysis-paralysis. "If you have to ask, you'll never know."
/r/askMRP19/12/18 11:22 PM
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Hang in there bro. Looking solid for a similarly old dude 🙌🏼 Take that shit down so you don’t dox yourself though—if that’s a concern. You ain’t gotta prove or justify shit to anyone anyhow—RP 101!
/r/askMRP19/12/18 10:35 PM
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More concerned about doxing myself than device security. It’s all good. Nothing I haven’t/wouldn’t say to someone’s face.
/r/askMRP19/12/18 08:16 PM
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Not yet. Only been here for a couple months and didn’t think I’d earned the right to drop that colossal load of shit on everyone. Was also struggling with OPSEC concerns but think I’m just going to own it all regardless of who sees/knows. I plan on a long night of editing my first OYS and rye drinking. Brace yourselves. I’m due. It’s ugly.
/r/askMRP19/12/18 07:38 PM
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Agreed. Anyone who thinks two people are going to be trapped in amber for 20+ years is a fool and didn’t fully grasp a lifetime commitment. Is it ideal? No. Do I prefer her over some THOT? Hell yes. My marriage wasn’t as fucked as I was/am. I have a lot to do before I even contemplate jettisoning the person who’s hung in there for all my bullshit. Quid pro quo.
/r/askMRP19/12/18 04:58 AM
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Similar late life/marriage epiphanies here, but not around religion. More intellectual boredom/differences and a strange reversal of communication styles. Mine just simply doesn’t talk and cannot seem to express the most basic emotions without anxiety. Some would say my situation is ideal but inward focus has revealed there is an upper limit to any real connection long term. Short/mid term I’m just “doing me” and putting irreversible decisions on the back burner. I’m determined not to nuke the r…
/r/askMRP19/12/18 03:43 AM
2

Bingo. Poor vetting on my part. She is a Vulcan and I had a taste of the green chick before her. But fortunately I entertain the shit out of myself most of the time and feast on IOI's due to extreme verbal game skills. I just look at this as my long term project now. We'll see what I can turn this in to. I married late and had a lot of fun before (and really, during). Those of us who let their shit slip but once had it good at least have a clear path to something real. I feel really sorry for th…
/r/askMRP19/12/18 12:57 AM
2

I watched some of his other vids (because morbid trainwreck fascination). He looks like he has an old red catcher’s mitt for a face. And hangs out in his creepy garage making creepy masks or some shit. Dude needs to look in a mirror.
/r/MarriedRedPill17/12/18 02:11 AM
2

What stores are open at midnight??
/r/MarriedRedPill17/12/18 02:08 AM
3

I think she is definitely the Oldest Teenager in the House, vs the FO. I'm in the same boat, albeit with more sexual variety--although she may as well be my sex robot--I can plug in most of the programs and get what I want off the menu, but I've accepted she will never be aggressive, verbal, inventive, etc. AWALT...except for the ones that weren't, before her, so that was a major fuck up of mine. But I'm a damn loyalist...for now. The inkling of an idea about the classic French mistress situatio…
/r/askMRP15/12/18 12:58 AM
1

That sounds like a ton of fun!!! Ugh.
/r/MarriedRedPill14/12/18 11:56 PM
3

I prefer the fungus. LSD feels metallic and synthetic. Nothing like riding a psychedelic purple nature train to bliss and self love, my brothers. ...although there WAS that one time I thought the traffic outside my apartment in college was celestial spaceships being piloted by angels...
/r/MarriedRedPill14/12/18 11:55 PM
1

I just need to know why I'm in my feelings so much and my mood can change rapidly from 1 day to the next. This could be for any number of reasons. Often we point to control of thoughts, words and actions of your state of mind as the solution--which, if you are feeling something strongly, usually should be dealt with by utilizing a combination of AM/STFU. Seems like you tend to lean too hard on the STFU side of things. You say you're quiet and not witty, but it really doesn't take much more than …
/r/askMRP13/12/18 09:35 PM
2

Truth.
/r/MarriedRedPill12/12/18 02:30 AM
9

PBL you already posted this. I get it—you’re scared shitless or trolling. Refer to all the advice already given or GTFO. Own yer shit son. Time to man up. https://www.reddit.com/r/askMRP/comments/9wrva7/moving_in_to_an_apartment_with_pregnant_ltr_whats/?st=JPKDZE2R&sh=3f453879
/r/askMRP11/12/18 11:08 PM
3

Agreed. The energy I gained not gazing at the pedestal immediately transferred to OYS momentum, namely time spent in the Iron Temple. I was surprised how little I cared about sex once I averted my gaze from the Holy Hole. She still doesn't outright initiate (AWALT?) but I am sensing more interest and haven't been rejected since shifting focus. I went from @once per month to 2-3 times a week...if I feel like it.
/r/askMRP11/12/18 05:38 PM
1

Yeah, shut down her innocent, public esteem fun and drive her to seek that attention furtively with guys you don’t know at all!
/r/askMRP10/12/18 03:49 AM
6

"Adversity makes men, and prosperity makes monsters." Victor Hugo Men have become temporary tools of convenience, where once they were necessary warriors of survival.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/18 11:36 PM
-1

That seems super faggoty (the job part). Maybe not the wife part, but you do that and your previously hip chick will probably run off with this guy permanently. You made the bed. Sleep in it—FULLY.
/r/MarriedRedPill07/12/18 01:31 AM
6

Last time this happened to me, post RP, I got the usual waterworks which used to make me feel bad and kiss her ass and concede every point I had just made blah blah blah. Instead of kissing ass I just said "you're obviously very emotional right now. If you want to calm down and try again, I'll be available." Then I went and did some shit that was worth doing. Not long after I could tell she was done crying and I sat on the couch with some music on and left space for her. Without a word she came …
/r/askMRP07/12/18 12:19 AM
2

Improving yourself physically and mentally is 💯 x preferable to being a sad sack, boot-lipped navel gazer. EVEN IF that improvement continues to exist in a sexless vacuum and all other aspects of your life “remain the same”. But odds are it won’t continue as you’ve become accustomed to—there is an area of effect that occurs in subtle and surprising ways, not the least of which is your feeling of self worth, physical power and the high that comes with plowing through goals and rebuking avoidance …
/r/MarriedRedPill06/12/18 08:05 PM
1

Excellent! Thanks. Sometimes the lifting/macros advice gets so granular my head explodes. This is the KISS principle stuff I prefer.
/r/askMRP06/12/18 07:53 PM
1

Mind if I DM you a question about a young athlete trying to get back on the court after a slipped disc diagnosis?
/r/askMRP05/12/18 10:32 PM
2

The Way of the Samurai -Yukio Mishima
/r/askMRP05/12/18 06:58 PM
1

Interesting. Not sure that’s what I’d want in retirement but to each their own.
/r/MarriedRedPill05/12/18 05:43 PM
3

Yes, I was told “Catholics make great Mormons” today lol. Subtle. You can take the Italians, but you’ll never get the Micks! 😂
/r/MarriedRedPill05/12/18 04:43 AM
1

Hmmm. Might be time for the Catholics to make a run at converting Mormons! There’s a clear patriarchy, enthusiastic sex via no indictment on drinking to excess, and a convenient confession sacrament that is private and allows you to be a raging freak and STILL go to Heaven! We have some other issues with some naughty priests, but we can shift them into suddenly vacant Boy Scout Leader positions and party like it’s 1999! Who’s with me guys?? 😇🙏🏻😇🍺
/r/MarriedRedPill05/12/18 04:36 AM
1

That’s exactly what this was—name tags, all couples, in an office of a local branch that does business with us, 18 month assignment. I am also peripherally aware that while your weekend service is all day you do split into groups by age/sex? I guess that’s something. I’m kind of unique in that I really could give a shit what gender, religion, race or politics you have as long as you’re not a dick and a quality human. I know it’s a pretty insulated religion, but try to make some guy friends outsi…
/r/MarriedRedPill05/12/18 04:27 AM
1

I had lunch with a group of older Mormons today—a branch office that my business does business with. Something I found very interesting and potentially problematic was that it appears married couples are organized to work together?!? That seems like a major hurdle to any interest in one another after a long day together. Seems like one of the core principles of the Church is spending a lot of looong hours together. I’d be ambivalent at best to my wife if we were in each other’s pockets that much…
/r/MarriedRedPill05/12/18 04:13 AM
1

Sorry-thought you said you hadn’t had sex in @3 years. My bad.
/r/askMRP04/12/18 07:22 PM
1

Only you know what works for you. Keeping positive and clear is all I can do, personally, along with the WORK. It’s all anyone can do.
/r/askMRP04/12/18 06:51 PM
1

It’s gonna sound like zen BS but there is a monumental yet fundamentally important difference between “doing” & “being”. It’s very hard to articulate but the best metaphor I can give is the difference between following a recipe or sheet music vs putting your soul into it. One is checking boxes and not as valuable as truly embodying the WORK. The way you know is that it doesn’t feel fully authentic deep down—and your mate will sense it too. Or maybe this will make more sense: that set that was re…
/r/askMRP04/12/18 06:28 PM
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You seem a bit on the manic side. This will make frame issues more pronounced, especially if there is a down cycle as well. Consistency in thoughts, words and actions will always be a challenge in direct relationship to “where you are at” mentally and emotionally. I was downright hysterical at times pre-RP. I wasn’t comfortable in my own skin and certainly not attractive or consistent to my wife. When the dam broke for me and I turned my focus deeply inward is when my life and my relationship be…
/r/askMRP04/12/18 02:33 PM
9

Uhhh...seems like the math doesn’t add up here dude.
/r/askMRP04/12/18 03:14 AM
1

Same height and weight here but fat. I have a question about deloading/reloading. I was doing the starting fairy queaf SL5x5 weights and cruising through them no problem. Then I f'd my back up lifting an engine core at work and deloaded all the way back down to bar after it felt good enough to start again. I'm seriously bored with the levels it has me at (like <100lbs. on everything but DL) and can rep all of them forever if I want. What's the best way to calculate how much weight I can/should b…
/r/askMRP03/12/18 09:58 PM
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Your phone is like the 3rd wheel in your relationship. I’m so glad that shit wasn’t a factor back in the day. It’s like an insecurity machine that people use to gauge their partners’ “real feels”. Get out of your head. Every time you have frame issues your phone seems to be involved. Go lift, have fun & STFU!! Stop using it as a lie detector/pacifier.
/r/askMRP03/12/18 02:39 PM
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It depends on what you truly want, which shouldn’t be tied to other people’s actions, thoughts or words. How you go about getting what you want is your business. I would recommend against falling into the trap of justifying your actions with other people’s failure to fulfill your wants & needs. Own it. Communicate it. Get it. If she is high or potentially high value in your life, wait & see while being articulate about your plan. If she isn’t or won’t be—what does it matter? I highly recommend M…
/r/askMRP03/12/18 06:46 AM
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It’s interesting to me that so many men here are inconsolable about their SO not getting “on board” when they themselves have just started their journey from complete pussy to man. Add the fact that their partner most likely has no clue what is happening, nor the RP resources and you’re basically expecting them to match your path blindly?!? Since you can’t talk about Fight Club, you must become articulate in other ways, communicate the MAP in her language and with a clear vision she understands …
/r/askMRP02/12/18 08:37 PM
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Jesus dude you have WAY bigger issues than your wife smoking some dude’s pole BEFORE YOU EVEN DATED. Take that shit off the pedestal. I used to obsess about this shit because my old lady gets (got) lots of IOI’s. Now I just embrace my turn and even entertain the idea of what a colossal hall pass I’d get if I ever found out she was stepping out. Stfu in your own head by lifting and try some exposure therapy by imagining her sucking an army of bobbing cocks maybe. Eventually you’ll get sick of you…
/r/askMRP02/12/18 05:58 AM
2

There are some great apps to help guided meditation. Once you try it, you’ll realize just how noisy your mind is. How full of chatter and trivia and self doubting fear. Eventually it becomes a refuge and a reset as OP has pointed out. “I am the jewel in the lotus.”
/r/MarriedRedPill01/12/18 10:15 PM
3

“Brevity is the soul of wit.” ~Bill Shakespeare
/r/MarriedRedPill01/12/18 05:02 AM
2

With humility comes knowledge & with knowledge comes power.
/r/MarriedRedPill01/12/18 04:56 AM
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Care for yourself supremely and someone MIGHT care to hang in your orbit. We barely know ourselves most of our lives, and others even less. Why? Because we truly don’t care. You got it.
/r/MarriedRedPill01/12/18 04:54 AM
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Fuck no. That is some deep ass-cave exploring bullshit. 1) Initiate 2) Fuck or lift or laugh & game other. 3) Rinse/repeat Being teased by your own fucking wife?!? Not acceptable. First time you’re a victim, second time you’re a goddamn VOLUNTEER.
/r/askMRP01/12/18 04:51 AM
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Do what you WANT to do. Count the cost later, if at all. Fuck fear.
/r/askMRP01/12/18 04:48 AM
3

I’ve been reading books for 43 years. Like, A LOT of books. They haven’t done shit. I read SL5x5, Repair manuals & my wife’s period tracker now to know when I can bang the most. Fuck books.
/r/askMRP01/12/18 04:45 AM
1

One could also argue that the online or "digital only" affair is merely toe-dipping and acclimation/rationalization for the inevitable physical affair to follow. Some may stop at non-physical, but I wager many are using EA's as a practice run.
/r/MarriedRedPill29/11/18 05:26 PM
1

It certainly is a good test of frame, OI, AM et al. The earlier in life you learn to get a handle on this, the better off you will be later. You have a golden opportunity here. If I could go back in time and re-experience what you are now, I would simply ghost gracefully and keep a girl as a “pal” that I could keep as a plate. Even in my mega beta days at your age I was always surprised that @50% of my breakups resulted in an attempt to “re-connect” by the ex within a year or so. Even when I had…
/r/askMRP29/11/18 03:49 PM
1

This should be a pebble dropping in your ocean of calm. No need to go nuclear on the girl. If you feel she has such high value, you will see that in the future if you don’t flip out in the present. AM is the key to breakups in my opinion.
/r/askMRP29/11/18 02:45 PM
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A 17 year old will not be wanting to settle down and neither should you. This was a perfect opportunity to observe, understand and learn to be OI of AWALT behaviors. Since you went Beta, that chance is probably gone. I’d gracefully bow out, let her know you both need to have fun & sow your oats at this stage. Don’t be a dick about it. She will most likely become a FWB at some point after that or possibly a psycho stalker. Either way, you have too much ahead of you to accomplish to be settled dow…
/r/askMRP29/11/18 02:13 PM
1

Classic passive aggressive behaviors. She’s telling you she wants to do half the chores and that you get the nasty half.
/r/askMRP29/11/18 03:04 AM
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Let's see what you got, young blood!!
/r/askMRP28/11/18 11:29 PM
3

Good idea. Many times it’s the messed up posts and the army of tough lovers that march all over them that teach me the most.
/r/MarriedRedPill28/11/18 04:50 PM
1

No. I did it because it’s my house and I wanted to.
/r/askMRP27/11/18 06:01 PM
3

I think because it’s a canary in a coal mine. Shit, I may bookmark this shitshow of a puke just to remind myself what not to do. Print it and put it on the fridge next to a picture of Butterbean.
/r/MarriedRedPill27/11/18 04:06 PM
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Christmas lights that are better than everyone else’s make her wet. Hauling your ass up a 30’ ladder while your son learns how to do shit makes her wet. Telling her to go back inside because you don’t need her help makes her wet. Doing it because you want to and how you want to—before she has a chance to “suggest/demand” it, in your own timeframe & “ahead of schedule” makes her wet. Telling her to go get another string at the store “NOW” makes her wet. Ask me how I know. 🎅
/r/askMRP27/11/18 02:47 PM
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Ha! Mine have been up for a week and I taught my son how to do it as well. All the betas were hanging in the cul de sac busy being pecked by their shitty fat wives and one even tried to give me shit for being “early”. I laughed and said “bring it—I’m gonna Griswold your asses”. Within a week they were all out there—in the driving rain—hanging their lame shit. While I stood in the window, sipping bourbon. Show them what we’re made of men.
/r/askMRP27/11/18 06:34 AM
1

Atta kid!
/r/askMRP27/11/18 12:46 AM
1

Don’t underestimate old fat dudes. 😎
/r/askMRP27/11/18 12:17 AM
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You didn’t do the WORK.
/r/MarriedRedPill26/11/18 09:30 PM
1

Are you sure this isn’t about her relationship with her boss making you nervous/jealous?
/r/askMRP26/11/18 08:50 PM
1

My wife is VERY stoic, but she always (subtly most times) let’s me know when she needs to talk. Having a wife with a very strong frame used to send my Beta hamster into orbit. Now I see it as a blessing: less drama, more time to work on myself, etc. If I’m honest with myself I even realize she is setting an example for me. Win win!
/r/askMRP26/11/18 07:02 PM
1

For every action there is a reaction. You said things are going great. Maybe she doesn’t want to fuck it up by being a whiny bitch? Follow her example. Text less.
/r/askMRP26/11/18 02:27 PM
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“She/her” count off the charts. Sidebar abandoned a year ago. Natural physical gifts wasted & pointless without mental/frame strength. Falsely arrogant and offering little depth/value. She sees through you. So do we. Reset & rebuild for high value wins. You cop what you are—no higher.
/r/askMRP26/11/18 01:14 AM
4

Great take and analogy. Something I will focus on today with my Vulcan lady.
/r/MarriedRedPill24/11/18 05:25 PM
4

Solid review of a seemingly “typical” female-centric Self Help book. I’d read more of them. (Reviews that is). “Know your enemy” harshly comes to mind. While I don’t subscribe to the binary bashing you’re getting a bit here I do think it helpful to remember that the key to early motivation in this journey is more “Fight Club” than “When Harry Met Sally”. I don’t think that’s a problem for you—just a cautionary reminder to beware the gynocentric rabbit hole that Self Help books tend to be! Keep o…
/r/MarriedRedPill24/11/18 05:17 PM
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What exactly defines the parameters of regularly refusing sex between you and your wife? You say you have this “agreement” but the terms seem vague and easily defined subjectively by one or the other parties. I would be leery of this loophole, unless it was created as a potential get out of jail free card? It smacks of neediness with preordained repercussions and I can’t imagine many women would be the ones to put it in the “contract”.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/11/18 05:38 PM
1

If you’re looking for comparative strength indexes this tool might help. As many state here it’s not so much about the #’s as it is the lunch pail mentality, but I feel you on wanting some kind of benchmarks. https://strengthlevel.com/strength-standards/male/lb
/r/askMRP22/11/18 07:07 PM
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Thankful for the tough love here and the opportunity to be reborn as a real fucking man for myself and my family!! Appreciate y’all! 🙌🏼💪🏼🙌🏼
/r/MarriedRedPill22/11/18 06:57 PM
3

Who dares, wins.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/11/18 11:32 PM
2

Alright man. Just thought you were spinning. Been there, done that. No offense but I know what it’s like to crawl up my own ass and ride the delusion train. Good luck to you.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/11/18 10:35 PM
2

Yeah. So you aren’t the HVAC heroin addict who was about to leave his woman a couple months ago? Small world huh?
/r/MarriedRedPill20/11/18 10:25 PM
1

I find that if I think I have an addiction and can not or will not quit, I've answered my own question.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/11/18 10:00 PM
1

Not buying it. In fact I think you deleted your old handle and are now reposting only less articulately than before. Get your head on man. I see a reckoning coming and it isn't a pretty one I bet.
/r/MarriedRedPill20/11/18 09:55 PM
2

His BP public victim puke is probably all the evidence we need to understand how this happened to him.
/r/MarriedRedPill19/11/18 08:42 PM
1

If you’re not uncomfortable, you’re not living. Comfort is for babies & the sick and dying.
/r/MarriedRedPill18/11/18 05:08 PM
2

Seems like a lot of “men” that come here are clinically OCD—which I imagine really fucks up a marriage. I deal with them at times in my work & they are impossible to get rid of.
/r/MarriedRedPill18/11/18 02:05 AM
2

That’s all you can do. Do it.
/r/askMRP14/11/18 01:21 AM
1

Hmmm....I could write a huge post about being in a similar situation many moons ago. But I'm going to be nice and spare you the fucking nightmare I lived and tell you about the "happy" ending. I married that girl (after vetting her for a year and suffering the scorn of both of our families for doing it), conceived my 2nd child on our wedding night. We now own our home outright, both have decent jobs and two HS boys who are the best thing that ever happened to me. My advice: get your shit togethe…
/r/askMRP14/11/18 01:05 AM
1

Yes. It truly does. Had a guy verbally attack and get right in my bubble after coaching a youth sports game. Extremely personal and profane. I kept AA’ing him. He made the mistake of turning toward my wife when she told him to walk. I basically did what moose guy did. I have a VERY loud voice (I’m a coach ffs). “DON’T EVEN FUCKING THINK ABOUT IT! DON’T EVEN LOOK AT HER!” He turned white and immediately fled. All the dads were amazed I hadn’t swung earlier. Wasn’t necessary. Worked great.
/r/MarriedRedPill13/11/18 05:19 AM
3

What do you think she'll be switching to? Another guy or celibacy? Like red-sfpplus says, any switch is your fault.
/r/askMRP12/11/18 06:32 PM
9

You can’t be serious. You are going to be torn apart here. braces for impact
/r/MarriedRedPill12/11/18 01:11 AM
1

I agree completely. And I’ve done all of that, on one level or another—and none ever came to blows. Oddly, the more “cool ferocity” I tap in to, the more “successful” those encounters have been. I suppose I was trying to feel this group out for how they’d handle a male aggressively pursuing his partner. It’s happened, and with one exception I truly believe it was unwanted attention. The one time it wasn’t I gave her a choice to deal with it in no uncertain terms, or I would. She cut off all cont…
/r/MarriedRedPill11/11/18 10:26 PM
2

Agreed. Had a major re-alignment on this after objectively reading responses. Don’t know why I didn’t see it as clearly as I should have, other than the MAJOR revelation that caring = self loathing. Boundaries are clear, consequences for crossing already established. If and when that happens I hope I’m man enough to smile at Chad and leave it at “How’s my dick taste?”
/r/MarriedRedPill10/11/18 08:40 PM
1

Best.Acid.Trip.ever.
/r/askMRP10/11/18 07:29 AM
1

No it is not worth it. That's on them, not me. The scales are lifting from my eyes. I understand intellectually--now it is time to burn that knowledge into my core at the altar of the Iron Temple. No words necessary. Just work, pain and the crucible. Appreciate the major wakeup call fellas. I now have a new angle and focus.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 08:53 PM
2

Truer words have never been spoken. Thanks guys. All of this is money.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 08:49 PM
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I have no illusions I still have much to improve. Letting go of the anger was difficult for me. Ultimately I grew sick of it and realized it just didn’t matter anymore. What does matter is each day moving forward. I could dwell on it and get nowhere, or I could work on myself. This is key. It's the attitude that got and keeps the ball rolling for me. It feels like having shackles removed and can be tapped into in the moment as well. I was really struggling on some lifts the other day and somethi…
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 05:55 PM
1

Ouch. The truth indeed hurts lol.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 05:50 PM
2

So true. Man I've still got a ton of work to do here. That's my fatal flaw right there. Contextualizing external stimuli into internal value judgement. Being objective does not come naturally to me in any way. Growing up in a home with a very erratic parent whose behavior inspired anger and judgement in the other has left me a weak ass bitch who cares way too much about what others think. Fuck that guy. I feel sorry for him (me) but I hate him.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 05:43 PM
1

Yes. Better to STFU entirely than make a hollow threat.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 05:37 PM
2

And click again. It’s fear. It’s all fucking fear. Goddamit you mf’ers I’m about to have a breakthrough cry in my goddam office. Holy shit. My mom was a drunk. When she got sober she became extremely wise. The one thing she told me over and over was “keep your side of the street clean and know you can’t clean or care about anyone else’s”. I obviously wasn’t paying attention. Fuck.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 04:49 PM
2

That connects some serious dots for me. Cause & Effect. People whose lives are a shitshow create that reality. It’s not luck or victimization, it’s being a dumb ass and making bad choices. Fuck I’m dense. Eliminate the cause and then it’s just time to next, because that is someone else’s value choice, not mine. Click.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 04:46 PM
1

Gold. Thanks.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 04:32 PM
1

I understand that completely and am glad to have seen it for the blessing it would be. I guess I'm not being clear. Say you have an extremely meddlesome MIL, a kid addicted to heroin, a wife "playing" with cheating. I know how I should respond AFTER the fact of these crises, but what does the "true RP man" do to respond to these threats (because AWALT and ours will probably fuck it all up and take sides somehow, counter to the marriage MAP)? I have established firm boundaries around in laws and …
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 04:26 PM
1

Understood. Just wonder what the best way to state that boundary is and come off as valid vs fearful.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 03:55 PM
1

Agreed.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 03:54 PM
1

I am seeing this more and more to be absolutely true. It feels like a shit test. In the past I would say “wtf—who is this guy texting you?” etc. These tests seemed to bubble up cyclically in a 20 year marriage, probably, in hindsight, where I thought things were “smooth” but really were extremely boring to her. I didn’t understand that women will often create drama to sound the deep waters of a marriage, in effect to see if you still give a shit enough to engage her in some melodramatic exchange…
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 03:52 PM
1

Agreed, but honestly, if a wife is banging, and now the husband is banging whoever they want because of it, this is now an open marriage or a LTR with a bunch of shitty legal liability. Those are totally different subs. It’s said this is RP on hard mode—the assumption being that’s because it is about monogamies and fidelity and, dare I say it, “love”. Amoral, yes...but what if someone wants to play on Expert mode—to keep it bound to the vows, regardless of what we learned here subsequently? I th…
/r/MarriedRedPill09/11/18 03:08 PM
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/r/askMRP09/11/18 06:53 AM
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Fair point. I’ve seen it a few times with guys I know—didn’t do a thing but certainly were not RP/“next” about it. Pre RP I’ve had a couple “chats” with rounders. I have an extremely attractive wife and I am “cute” at best, so some dudes have taken some runs at her thinking I couldn’t hold it down. A couple didn’t leave her alone when told by HER to back it off. I’m struggling with this one. I am feeling a serious disconnect between frame and just whistling away from a dude being disrespectful. …
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 10:51 PM
2

I’m really intrigued by this Mormon thing I keep seeing here . I’d almost believe that they were the biggest betas in the world if I didn’t know a bunch personally. I find most of them to be very much in charge at home and really don’t give a fuck what their wives think, do or say. Maybe it’s a regional thing? Case in point I was golfing with some of them on the day before Mother’s Day this year. I asked what they were planning on doing the next day for their wives. They all just laughed and sai…
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 10:07 PM
4

Easy to say behind a keyboard. IRL there’s no telling why or what will happen. I was joking about Shelley, btw, lighten up man. I don’t take any of this personally. Texas huh? You open carry, CP or roll dirty? Personally I like a .357 snub, but as noted,old school. Flex on big guy!
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 10:01 PM
5

True, but if I walk out of a bar and you’re sitting on my motorcycle, I’m going to beat you like a drum.
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 09:36 PM
3

At this point in my journey I honestly doubt I’d care about anything but the colossal disrespect. The principle of “never unwrapping another man’s gift” whether he deserves it or not. But that’s part of a very BP mindset I’m sloughing off rapidly these days. I just personally hate fucktards who get immersed in another person’s life/relationship. Seems weak and lazy and low hanging fruit picking. I feel like a dude should at least get a sound ass kicking for tapping my old lady, whether I walk or…
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 09:19 PM
2

Looks like there’s a new Sheriff in town, buddy. Saddle up or slap leather cowboy.
/r/askMRP08/11/18 08:52 PM
3

Lol. I know it isn’t RP but if I caught mine I’d be in the /goingtoprison sub. Mainly because that is the boundary I established long ago.
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 08:44 PM
3

Where's the link to the infidelity sub?!? ;)
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 07:10 PM
13

Wait...SHELLY?!?!
/r/MarriedRedPill08/11/18 05:57 PM
1

I highly recommend playing this on a loop when you lift. Same guy, same attitude. Get busy living or get busy dying. https://youtu.be/o28dyt7w3As
/r/askMRP08/11/18 05:41 PM
2

I WISH mine smoked a little lol. Especially during shark week.
/r/askMRP08/11/18 04:45 PM
1

Fake it til you make it bro.
/r/askMRP08/11/18 04:37 AM
2

I get you. Though I’ve also seen a lot of the “measure progress/accountability” direction here, I just want to stress that while it is helpful and smart-even necessary—to track the quantifiable aspects, you need to keep in the forefront of your mind that are dealing with a hyper emotional, abstract person in your partner. Just like me. But I don’t allow myself to get hung up on the ratios too much and am having a lot more success than before. I’m being the mysterious “new man” she WANTS and taki…
/r/askMRP07/11/18 07:21 PM
3

Agreed. Incredibly ironic to me that something as organic, fluid and supposedly tingly and sexy like GAME is being reduced to a bunch of fucking spreadsheet formulas by so many dudes here. I don't have time to describe how I've gone from ZERO to SIXTY the last couple of months, but it sure the fuck wasn't by using pivot tables and SUM=INIT/%/SUCCESS formulas. That is so far off the point of all this it's disturbing and sad to me. GET OUT OF YOUR HEAD. If you're OCD or some shit, apply that (in f…
/r/askMRP07/11/18 05:37 PM
1

Your wife is an addict. Nothing rational applies. Be the escape for her, by showing that even YOU, the ultimate former weakling, can change, despite the incredible odds you’ve stacked against yourself. Be a kind, stoic, unwavering oak. You’ve got the kid thing down at least...build from there.
/r/askMRP06/11/18 06:29 AM
3

If you respond in such an extremely knee jerk, butthurt way to women (you obviously do) as you do to the people here (right or wrong as they may be) your answers to all of your questions are quite obvious: You. Have. No.Frame. The point isn’t whether the person you are hysterically angry at is right or wrong about anything. The point is that you are hypersensitive to any challenge or diversion from “the way the world should be”. It’s an unfair, fucked up world full of selfish assholes and grifte…
/r/askMRP04/11/18 03:57 PM
1

I will check it out. Thanks.
/r/askMRP02/11/18 07:00 PM
1

I totally agree. I've seen 3 different MC's, the first a male who suggested a split in the first 20 minutes (!!) (pre marriage), the second was pretty fair but she dipped to another practice and now this amateur who will probably make things significantly worse. I'm just trying to ripcord it but haven't figured out the right angle other than "I'm not in that headspace and don't want an emotional puke/historical rehash". Can't think of a better way to voice that, so I guess I'll just leave it at …
/r/askMRP01/11/18 10:58 PM
2

I guess getting your dick slapped is at least more than some of us when we started here...you’re way ahead of the curve!! Maybe you can slap her vagina as punishment for slapping your dick and then you two will be in a junk slapping loop which MAY result in simultaneous orgasms!!! Try it!
/r/askMRP01/11/18 12:58 AM
3

I’d pull a Lebowski. “That’s just like your opinion, man.”
/r/askMRP01/11/18 12:35 AM
8

Lift.
/r/MarriedRedPill31/10/18 01:11 AM
1

I’m guessing you’re taking the piss here.
/r/askMRP31/10/18 01:06 AM
1

Netflix for men lol. Doesn't anybody READ anymore??? I'll check it out but hard to beat Meditations and The Art of War IMO.
/r/askMRP30/10/18 11:46 PM
6

Start with this. http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/usmc/usmcleadership.pdf Substitute "Marine" for "Spouse/Child/Employee/Self".
/r/askMRP30/10/18 11:04 PM
3

Exercise (unless you absolutely wreck yourself, which will destroy you for two days lol) will probably wake you up more unless it's well before sleep time. Screening definitely keeps you up--I avoid it for a couple hours before I want to crash. I have the luxury of living in a state where cannabis is legal so that used to help, but since I'm in Monk Mode basically, I don't have that to lean on either. There's a lot of herbals that will help...St. John's Wort & Valerian might help. Here's a link …
/r/MarriedRedPill30/10/18 09:10 PM
1

3/6 years??? That's 6 months. Try my sentence on for size: I've got 20 months just to say I've done the basics. You've got it easy pal.
/r/askMRP30/10/18 09:00 PM
2

See you and raise you: “The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.” Marcus Aurelius
/r/askMRP30/10/18 08:56 PM
1

I’d tread very cautiously into marriage counseling, with a focus on individual first. I happily went along with the suggestion and now find myself being “counseled” by a 20 something lesbian who doesn’t know the first thing about a LTR, let alone a heterosexual 20 year marriage. I’m being blindsided by my wife every other week with unexpected recounts of my past Beta behavior and trying to find a way out of it. Basically I’ve said “this is emotional puke session and that’s not what I’m all about…
/r/askMRP30/10/18 04:05 PM
1

What is it???
/r/askMRP30/10/18 01:49 PM
3

Try taking Melatonin at night before bed. I had a hard time getting to sleep and would wake up at 4am for no apparent reason before starting this regimen.
/r/MarriedRedPill30/10/18 01:43 PM
5

One thing I realized a few years back in these “command performance” situations with my wife (she likes to over schedule the weekend & wants to do a lot with her family, who I don’t especially care for) is have a clear yes or no answer in mind before saying anything. I would often do the same as you—hem and haw and make excuses to try to get out of one of her “surprise” plans. I hadn’t looked at it as asking her for permission not to go, but your insight struck a chord. In hindsight, I’d often b…
/r/MarriedRedPill30/10/18 01:30 PM
1

Some serious gold in here...lots of noobs lately...need to read this thread.
/r/askMRP29/10/18 01:26 AM
2

Try STFU and see if she comes back. If she doesn’t, avoid being a prissy little bitch next LTR.
/r/MarriedRedPill27/10/18 10:04 PM
3

How often do these comical incursions occur?! Somebody put this kid to bed!
/r/MarriedRedPill26/10/18 01:45 AM
1

You’re the expert!
/r/askMRP25/10/18 12:51 PM
8

I never saw my old man cry once. Even when he got the news that his own father was dead. That was the closest I had ever seen him come to it. A brief, momentary loss of facial control--then he immediately went back to his usual bad ass self. Amazing. I cried like a fucking baby when that MAN died. And he went out like a champ, too. God I'm a pussy lol.
/r/MarriedRedPill24/10/18 08:46 PM
6

I've only been focused on the principles here for a few months and am probably still deep in an anger phase (though I am usually pretty good at recognizing when I'm being irrationally angry in the moment). I have noticed a similar experience though--once I wrapped my head around oneitis and the "fear" of her cheating/leaving/etc I started to see mine more objectively. Like yours appears to be, my wife is a good person and really not someone I'd complain about being around. But certain traits hav…
/r/askMRP24/10/18 08:41 PM
0

Sounds very familiar. Appreciate the honesty and detail--lets many of us know we're not alone I think. I see tons of similarities. Sounds like your wife is a tough nut to crack as well...congrats for "extra" hard mode progress!
/r/MarriedRedPill23/10/18 10:25 PM
1

Thanks a lot for the links. I'm not into micromanaging, but the numbers (and doctors as you noted) out there are all over the place. I'll look into those links--appreciate it!!
/r/askMRP19/10/18 11:19 PM
1

I'm curious what you used for your "max parameters" calculations. I've heard my ideal weight range @30 lbs from doctors. This can't be right. I've been at the low end and felt emaciated...now I'm pushing the other end and hoping to find a decent set of numbers so I can track progress realistically with lifting, cardio, diet etc all factored in as well. For now I just lift and that's working...want to fine tune a bit.
/r/askMRP18/10/18 03:32 PM
1

I've got way too much shit to do to spend hours on end watching other men compete. Even if it's just me and my shitty weights, ONE hour lifting is moving my personal needle forward. I am always telling my teen sons that we live in a world of Consumers, that all they need to do is be Producers and they'll be way ahead of the pack. Easier said than done--for all of us. I used to spend a lot more timing watching sports. About a year ago I decided to cut the cable. Now I watch free educational tv if…
/r/askMRP17/10/18 07:41 PM
7

If all that you say is true, I applaud you. Knowing your real strengths and weaknesses is one of the core measures of a man. Acting on them is a level higher. My only concern is that you're blowing this up because you are truly frightened of the strangely wholesome life you "could" have (addicts and self medicators are renowned saboteurs of their own happiness because they believe they are unworthy of it.) Or that you know/fear a lifestyle backslide that would put her through hell. Again. If it'…
/r/askMRP17/10/18 07:21 PM
5

My wife was texting a FEMALE friend during some mutual screen time recently. I looked at her twice and on the 3rd "chime" I calmly paused the movie, stood up and said "are we watching this or are you texting?" She apologized profusely and turned off her phone. THAT'S how you handle THAT. Had she persisted, I would have turned it off, STFU and gone outside to LIFT on my janky prison yard weights. This is my go to response to ALL disrespect &/or time wasting. AA, AM, "I'm going to lift". Period.
/r/askMRP12/10/18 08:43 PM
2

A lot.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/10/18 12:41 AM
1

Familiarity breeds contempt.
/r/MarriedRedPill09/10/18 12:38 AM
2

Obviously she doesn't know or she wouldn't be sounding out the hens to figure it out. I personally would focus on the easiest of your email declarations & see if there's a willingness to change. If she can't or won't do the EASIEST things, the rest are moot. Nobody likes ultimatums. I recommend you keep your OVERT co tracts to yourself going forward and don't let on you know she shared for now.
/r/askMRP07/10/18 07:55 PM
5

Her sharing it with multiple people seems childish to me. And displays an inability to think for herself or to make reasonable decisions. Seems like she needs your guidance vs your "emotional sharing".
/r/askMRP07/10/18 05:17 PM
1

But divorcing his wife is a correct one? That'll make everybody perk right up at his house I bet.
/r/askMRP05/10/18 08:37 PM
5

What do you do if you discover a malignancy in your body? You assemble all the facts and cut the tumor out. You take measured, calculated steps to stop the spread of disease. You suffer your breakdowns in spirit alone and live or die that way, ultimately. What you DON'T do is stand on the sidelines, wringing your hands. Get to work.
/r/askMRP04/10/18 01:54 PM
3

Seems to me like your wife is open to working things out but you really aren't. I don't see how to go forward until dealing with that elephant in the room first and foremost. I personally can't imagine not having my sons in my life on a daily basis, so can't speak to that unless it's an ambiguous warning about serious future regret. Appears salvageable to me if you guys can let go of the past. Her to forgive, you to find validation in other ways than banging strange. Other than that you seem lik…
/r/MarriedRedPill03/10/18 05:04 PM
7

I've got shit in my fridge older than your marriage. 4 months?!? That's utter bullshit. If be a raging hulk of bitterness if someone cucked me that hard. You need to start living like you're single. Shut. Her. Shit. Down.
/r/askMRP03/10/18 01:38 AM
1

Go for it. I'm no expert but have a lot of years under my belt both screwing this up and unwinding it.
/r/askMRP02/10/18 10:09 PM
2

It's truly a marathon.
/r/askMRP02/10/18 09:50 PM
2

If that's what she likes, then ease back into that shit, brother. It'll be better for both of you if she is truly attracted and can "open" up to it freely. Otherwise that sounds like a warped facsimile of what used to actually be a good thing. I don't want my wife faking her attraction because she's just fucking confused about wtf I'm doing. And hopeful. I want the full animal that does it because she can't help but be attracted. The Superior Man speaks to this, briefly. I just try to keep in mi…
/r/askMRP02/10/18 09:15 PM
2

Take a break. I was addicted to fucking facefuck for years. One day I saw very clearly how it is an industrial strength covert contract enabler. I chose not to get on. For ONE DAY. Then it was two. Then three. I'm now several months in and I run into people who seriously thought I was dead, dying or in rehab. Because I wasn't on FB?!? That really drove home how stupid the whole thing is. It seems like you are starting a major new chapter in life and may be channeling one addiction into another? …
/r/askMRP02/10/18 09:08 PM
4

This is all about breaking down your entire current approach/model. If your wife finds you unattractive, why the hell would you forcing yourself sexually on her gain any traction? Now you're basically molesting her--not good. Back ALL the way off while you get your shit together and a MAP firmly in place. Hold hands, kiss, whatever. Re-build. I approached a 20 year dwindling marriage like I was just starting to date her again for the first time. Because, after all, I AM dating her again for the …
/r/askMRP02/10/18 06:49 PM
1

Switch hands.
/r/askMRP27/09/18 10:07 PM
2

There may be great pain involved in self actuality, both physical and existential, but the divergence in your thinking is that the pain of "becoming" is WHAT WILL ALLEVIATE the pain of inaction and frustration you are currently mired in. Transferring it now, in the moment, to physical self abuse and self harm is self defeating and will only make this worse. This may sound gay to many here, but I ardently believe that at the VERY CORE of RP & especially MRP is true, unbiased and objective self lo…
/r/askMRP27/09/18 08:18 PM
4

If a Captain consistently belittles a FO the likely outcome is mutiny. Nobody ever tells the Captain his crew is about to walk/rise up.
/r/MarriedRedPill27/09/18 01:45 PM
2

All of this can be solved by being the MAN in the moment, at all times. With eyes fixed on the prize, we have no need for synthetic, unreasonable value systems full of covert contracts and false expectations of others. This reality is filled with equally and universally flawed people. The prize is breaking free of this by keeping your own side of the damn street clean and striving, always, for excellence in all endeavors. And lifting.
/r/TheRedPill27/09/18 04:27 AM
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I don't see how anyone with a drinking problem is going to attract anyone that isn't in the same boat. Keep on working on you and you may see better responses as you progress.
/r/TheRedPill27/09/18 01:25 AM
3

My old man was a beast. But he only gave me about 3 pieces of advice my whole life. The main one was simply "Be Happy". That bastard did absolutely everything on his own term, 24/7. Yours wants you to be happy--just doesn't know how himself. I'd throw old bro a lifeline my friend. Start him off with NMMNG & WISNIFG. It's never too late.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/18 06:06 PM
1

You may be her BFF but you sure ain't her BF.
/r/askMRP15/09/18 05:55 PM
4

Oh....and LIFT you fucking pussy!!! :)
/r/MarriedRedPill15/09/18 04:21 PM
42

I'd argue that just as a marriage can become a death spiral by a thousand cuts, fixing that shit is a 1000 mile journey that entails first steps. When you RP and realize through objectivity just how pathetic and fucked your reality has become, even the smallest change or "victory" can help defeat the soul sucking inertia that threatens to ultimately destroy a marriage. Those on the mountaintop would do well to remember the journey and realize the trip back down can be hard and fast. The way up i…
/r/MarriedRedPill15/09/18 04:20 PM
1

That's because she's trying to get it over with and it seems to have worked. You need to write your own script in the bedroom. And yes they do work. There's a couple ways to use them--daily, for overall improvement and "break glass in case of emergency" where you take them knowing you'll be intimate shortly. I'm pretty old so I notice a difference. Once you get her realizing your act has changed up she will most likely be more receptive in general in my experience.
/r/askMRP14/09/18 01:10 PM
1

Not sure about the rules so I will just say go to a supplements store, head to the "Men's Health" section and look for some herbals with the word "libido" in them. Not going to keep you from PE necessarily, but quality of erection and recovery/refractory period much better. I take them and can just keep going regardless. Also, eat that kitty up right and she won't give a shit what you do after that. YYMV
/r/askMRP14/09/18 02:10 AM
3

I second this. My old man was the ultimate Alpha and I fell down the rabbit hole with my wife--HARD. We are bombarded constantly with societal shit and comfort tests, coupled with our own inaction and fear, this is a recipe for disaster. I thought my dad was a dick most of my life, but in hindsight, he was uncompromising in his value set and didn't take shit from anyone. My mother was a high powered businesswoman that morphed into a compliant FO the second she got home. WE own our shit and so mu…
/r/MarriedRedPill12/09/18 03:46 PM
1

What's her number?? Get dried out. Get financially/physically fit. Own it.
/r/askMRP08/09/18 09:13 PM
2

Few experiences are more useful than self-examination under the influence of a powerful hallucinogen. LSD has been used since its discovery to treat a wide range of "delusional/obsessive" behaviors, notably as an effective hedge against alcoholism. There are a couple of interesting documentaries on its usage and outcomes on Nflix, namely: "Let There Be Light" and (now gone but probably easy to find somewhere) "Conversations With Gregory Peck". I don't see how anyone can say they've really owned …
/r/MarriedRedPill05/09/18 04:00 PM
2

I'm thinking you should have been all over that "inspection" when you first saw her. She doesn't want sex to be an afterthought to you, and you had her on the line via text and let the fire cool too long. Then she perceived that you just wanted the act of sex, not all the intrigue and fun that you had already triggered. Like the girl in the dorm room, a sign is a sign--don't ignore it or over analyze it. If she had turned you down when she first got home, then yes, she's just teasing you for no …
/r/MarriedRedPill28/08/18 09:22 PM
3

"Who told thee that?" cried Ahab; then pausing, "Aye, Starbuck; aye, my hearties all round; it was Moby Dick that dismasted me; Moby Dick that brought me to this dead stump I stand on now. Aye, aye," he shouted with a terrific, loud, animal sob, like that of a heart-stricken moose; "Aye, aye! it was that accursed white whale that razeed me; made a poor pegging lubber of me for ever and a day!" Then tossing both arms, with measureless imprecations he shouted out: "Aye, aye! and I’ll chase him rou…
/r/TheRedPill24/08/18 10:08 PM
6

I'm sure that's how the law saw it. I personally wasn't surprised his life ended like that. He was WAY too wrapped up in what other people thought/did. I tried to steer him a bit when I first met him, but he was too much of a manchild for me to deal with. I already have kids. I don't have time to raise men too. That was our POS father's job and he obviously failed. Did he mess up? Yep. Did he deserve to die for it? Who knows. My point is that you should avoid that shit all together. We've all pr…
/r/TheRedPill24/08/18 08:27 PM
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She was investigated and it was determined to be self defense I guess. Though I don't think he even touched her, just came into the house he had just bought with/for her to confront whatever bullshit he thought needed addressing. TBH, I met him late in life, didn't even know he existed before and he was a Betamus Prime IMO. Very emotional, very anxiety ridden, all the classic shit. He was engaged to her and was buying her affections it appears and big surprise, she pulled the ripcord on the rela…
/r/TheRedPill24/08/18 05:48 PM
20

My 1/2 brother was a dummy and got sucked into a physical with his GF. She stabbed him in the heart with a kitchen knife & he staggered off and died a couple blocks away. Don't even go near a situation like that.
/r/TheRedPill24/08/18 05:07 PM
2

As someone who has done a lot of hiring and firing in the last 30 years, I can say I've seen a lot of great workers who had congenital shyness or lack of engagement as an issue in their careers. Most of them got as high as they could go on their base skill set and just stuck there. They could not or would not take any initiative and carve out more authority or power for themselves in the workplace. The sad fact is that like most other realities in life (dating, making friends, negotiations of an…
/r/askMRP24/08/18 03:46 PM
1

Agreed. A pout is as bad as a whine. Keep at it/her. Show her you're a sexual being and whether she responds or not doesn't matter to you... If you initiate and are ok with the 'no" by not pouting or complaining, she will start to wonder if that good mood of yours will be transported to a new interest.
/r/MarriedRedPill23/08/18 08:11 PM
5

I practice my game pretty much everywhere. I understand your trepidation with doing that among peers/people you have regular "platonic" contact with. I recommend pretty much any other scenario though. I do a lot of cold approaches at grocery stores, book stores, libraries, you name it. I'm not looking to have sex with them...just keep my edge sharp. These places are gold mines for a friendly comment, compliment, etc. Where you take them from there is your business. Good luck...you sound like you…
/r/MarriedRedPill21/08/18 04:37 PM
1

I think it's easy to confuse anger and rage. Anger is really fear, generally. We get angry when someone triggers the old feelz we've probably gone a lifetime getting caught up in, in a reactionary childish way. It's a knee-jerk defense mechanism that says "Oh now you've done it--I'm throwing up a wall built out of red faced tears and you better back off. <sob>. RAGE is the righteous, unHoly summoning of your oldest, primal power. Like a dog baring his teeth when you approach it while it eats. It…
/r/MarriedRedPill20/08/18 06:22 PM
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