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The thing is, when you attract the girl, she'll think of many of your drawbacks as attractive. So when you're fat she'll think "woah you're such a big guy that can protect me". Or when you're small she'll think in her head "woah you're so agile and fast that's amazing". But this only applies after you created the attraction. So to do it: I show confidence, take the lead in a courageous way, don't back down whenever they give me shit tests but instead joke on them or throw them back at them (it s…
/r/seduction11/10/22 04:30 AM
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No, all girls are the same subconsciously in this regard. I found this true with the most loyal, trustworthy girls as well as with bad types of girls. It's in their genes to look for the exact same things.
/r/seduction10/10/22 01:24 AM
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Keep making excuses if it helps you
/r/seduction10/10/22 01:23 AM
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I'm obese yet still get girls. It's a bonus to have the looks but your confidence, charisma, social skills, being able to flirt and show sexual interest in a good way, along other things, are more important to a girl.
/r/seduction09/10/22 10:00 PM
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A.k.a. having courage and balls, in a good sense and not by doing stupid stuff
/r/seduction09/10/22 09:55 PM
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That saying is incomplete. You gotta be emotionally independent of the girl and not get too attached to what she's saying or thinking. That's just part of the equation. You need to create attraction too. This helps because this way you show your emotional strength to carry on in life even if she leaves you. And that's atractive
/r/seduction09/10/22 09:52 PM
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The former take the necessary steps to improve their social skills and their emotional intelligence while the latter still haven't figured out what to do. For the latter I can recommend some people to learn from, as have I and has helped me better understand women and have a girlfriend now.
/r/seduction09/10/22 09:49 PM
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That's the best answer here, I don't know why some guys here are so serious and almost butthurt, almost as if they don't have much experience yet they give advice based on what they read. Dates should be fun even though we're both screening to see compatibility. Thanks for your suggestion!
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:35 AM
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Are you talking out of experience? I agree with your idea but not the mindset, a date should be fun too, not taken so seriously and for the girl to feel all the time like she's on the spot and to put pressure on her. That's no fun and the girl will leave pretty fast. Screening is important but it shouldn't kill the fun.
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:32 AM
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Yeah that's what the first few dates are for. She was very anxious and stressed at the beginning of the date though, to the point where her skin was getting red. I guess she was so blunt about it because it was a defense mechanism or something like that in her head. I'll keep talking it lightly and laugh it off then
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:30 AM
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Thank you, this is great
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:28 AM
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True that, they're clearly interested otherwise they wouldn't be on the date. Thank you
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:27 AM
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Yeah I know, I just don't know why they're so blunt about it and if I should say anything or act like I don't care
/r/seduction07/08/22 08:27 AM
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I am not fully aware why girls do that either. Maybe I'm too direct and obvious in putting myself in the judging position and they want to show that they don't give a f*ck about that? I don't know
/r/seduction07/08/22 07:56 AM
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That's not helpful. I want the girl, either for fun or for something serious. Getting pissed and leaving at the face of a little resistance would be a p*ssy move and not according to my plans
/r/seduction06/08/22 11:04 PM
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Don't be so shallow. An average looking girl can have tons of qualities that make her a perfect wife, while many hot girls don't make for good wives but just fun, because many of them continue to have a big ego all their lives because of their looks, and don't have the abilities to cook, clean or support a husband and their children. Not saying that all hot women are like this because it's not, but some or many do.
/r/seduction16/07/22 05:43 AM
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Depends on the context. For example by sexting, by creating sexual tension either through your body language (the way you look at her eyes and body) or through the right words (first you gotta start small so you don't creep her out), by leading. By leading I mean you make the first move to approach her, to set up a date, a place and time to meet (like you suggest 6:00 PM on Saturday at XYZ place - if she wants to meet but let's say she's busy at that time, she'll suggest another hour or day, or …
/r/seduction16/07/22 05:40 AM
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Why would it be bad to be encouraged to feel good and confident when talking to women? That's part of inner game
/r/seduction14/07/22 05:28 AM
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Yeah though he's focusing only on outer game and not much about inner game. You need both to succeed
/r/seduction14/07/22 05:27 AM
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Alright show me
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:38 PM
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I can take videos of you at different times saying different words and making a phrase that makes you sound like a douchebag. Just watch his videos in defense against his haters, instead of thinking what some frustrated guys say is true
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:29 PM
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Then you're naive to believe that bullshit. They're jealous of him and want to defame him. PewDiePie did such a shitty video too when he doesn't even know anything about seduction. What? You never had haters? Maybe watch Todd's video with his counter arguments to PewDiePie's BS
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:18 PM
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You didn't answer my question
/r/seduction13/07/22 09:12 PM
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Have you watched videos from his own channels? Or from other channels about him?
/r/seduction13/07/22 08:55 PM
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Where did you see him giving that advice? I never heard him say that
/r/seduction13/07/22 08:48 PM
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Your grammar says something too
/r/seduction13/07/22 08:36 PM
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That seems much better to be honest, though there are some PUA following the old stuff like Todd V Dating
/r/seduction13/07/22 05:36 PM
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Thanks! That sounds great! Would you like an update on how things go if I talk to her?
/r/seduction13/07/22 06:02 AM
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Alright I get it. But if the girls shows really obvious signs that she's liking me, it feels like I'd miss out if I don't take action.
/r/seduction12/07/22 09:23 PM
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don’t be cringy and try to do everything at once or else she’ll remember you next time cuz gyms are relatively “small” So it's best not to try to close and get the girl's ID during the first conversation? Why do you think it would be bad to do that?
/r/seduction12/07/22 08:25 PM
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What should you talk to her before asking for her social ID? I've approached a girl today at the gym, asking her for how long she's been working out and what's her goal, but freezed after that. And with another girl we kept looking at each other but I was a fool and couldn't open my mouth. Can you offer a more detailed advice?
/r/seduction12/07/22 08:24 PM
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I think you're putting too much emphasis on looking good. That only works so much. Your masculinity and confidence is what's gonna get the girl. PS. I'm the fattest guy at the gym where I go, yet girls still give me lots of glances and one was even more friendly after I approached her. There are a lot more guys at the gym who are ripped and fit, yet I still get loads of attention as a fat guy. Funny isn't it?
/r/seduction12/07/22 07:58 PM
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To be honest it's not that bad. I personally wouldn't be in a relationship with a girl that slept with 20+ guys. She would always compare the sex with me with the sex with the other guys, and her ego would keep making her act like she's some sort of a big prize and so act bitchy. I noticed that women who are really experienced in bed are also more likely to cheat so there's that. It could likely be the case with guys too but I don't know for sure on that. And as someone else said, a woman's asse…
/r/seduction12/07/22 05:21 AM
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It's not just North Americans. It's the same here in Eastern Europe too. I think everywhere in the world too. No woman/girl wants to appear like an easy girl or a slut even when they are sluts (noticed that with a girl that hooks up with many guys too so basically an easy girl/a slut for many guys). And society does judge them accordingly, and I'm sure it's judging them the same everywhere in the world.
/r/seduction11/07/22 09:21 PM
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Don't listen to what women say when it comes to dating, they're emotional and don't understand that well (most of them) the logicical reasons why they like certain things
/r/seduction10/07/22 06:44 AM
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Sadly yes
/r/seduction08/07/22 09:40 PM
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If you've got depression either find another depressed person to connect with, or treat your depression first so you won't bring unhappiness to someone that's joyful
/r/seduction06/07/22 03:09 PM
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Yeah and it's important the type of humor to use. A comedian from a stand up comedy won't necessarily get girls with that type of humor even if he makes girls laugh
/r/seduction06/07/22 08:18 AM
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The most important skill is to learn how to talk to girls. How to seduce them through your words, attitude, confidence, masculinity, the right type of humor, charm, passing shit tests etc. That's what will bring you a girl and stand out from the crowd of clueless guys. The other things are secondary although important if you want a long term relationship but won't keep a girl around if you lack on the things I listed.
/r/seduction06/07/22 06:02 AM
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Thanks a lot man! I get the idea, doing it playfully but not saying the sexual stuff directly most of the times (though some girls have told me they're attracted to me when I'm direct about sexual stuff, funny that most guys would get labeled as creeps if they said what I do). Indirect way is definitely better for building up that sexual tension until you get to the real business. Good luck in the future and hope you enjoy a great life with your girl/s!
/r/seduction05/07/22 07:50 PM
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Yeah it is idiotic
/r/seduction04/07/22 09:34 PM
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That's awesome, girls like those are extremely rare, or I haven't looked in the right places for them! Unfortunately society today promotes just fucking around without any emotions involved. Try Dan Bacon's videos, he shows you how to flirt, be fun and ballsy with women in the right way, with your style involved too. They're free so you won't lose any money on them. Best case scenario: you get knowledge and get a wife/gf because of him. Also funny you're saying that you're having a hard competit…
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:03 PM
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Thanks bro I'll remember that! You don't forget that either!
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:57 PM
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True. Here in Eastern Europe feminism hasn't caught up as much as in Western Europe though we're getting there. Real feminism used to promote good things but now it promotes stupid things by frustrated women, and men get confused on how to be masculine too.
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:56 PM
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Sorry to hear about your story. Did you try learning how to attract women? I like Dan Bacon on YouTube, and he's got videos for older guys too. As for looks: I got a decent face but I'm obese (116kg at 1,85m or about 6'0 tall), and yet I still got really hot girls in my bed. You can turn them on with just your words and body language and I'm sure it's the way for older women too. As for your girl cousins, I don't know man, many women/girls act like a Madonna stereotype so they don't get labelled…
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:25 PM
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Thanks man and good luck to you too! I am chill but I guess I need to do more activities where girls are present and it's a good context to talk to them. I think I'll join dance classes for that. And yeah lots of women are avoidant, and to be honest I wouldn't want a partner that gets more attracted to me when I'm ignoring her (many girls I met were like that). It's just not my style. But I'm sure the right girl is out there. And for sure I'll message you if I need help, and if you need someone …
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:21 PM
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You're right but it's crazy how many women don't know what they're truly attracted to. Like I get it that it's a logical thing to understand that but still, they're not dumb, or many of them aren't
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:16 PM
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How do they make a bad boy good?
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:11 PM
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Very true indeed. I'm putting way too much pressure on me to be very good in anything game related, instead of analyzing if the girl is worth my time too. I'll learn more, thanks and good luck in your dating too man/girl
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:07 PM
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I stumbled upon such women many times too and I thought there's something wrong about the way I'm talking to them, but I don't think that's always the case
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:56 PM
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Yeah I got a job, though there's only 2 girls there and they're both taken. Thanks for sharing your story! Sounds interesting, though it's also proving (from what I noticed too) that many women preffer the avoidant types of attachment in guys for some reason. Like you ignored her for a month and it worked better than if you'd have tried to get something going all the time or oftentimes.
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:46 PM
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It does make sense. I'll watch the videos in some time. What sucks is that I oftentimes appear to be a player because I'm sexual in conversations and very straightforward, and that's the wrong impression because I only got 4 girls to bed and I'm not even that great in bed yet. I've just became good with conversations because I used to be really shy growing up so I worked on my talking skills. Though I do think that when girls tell me they wish I wasn't a player and I tell them the truth that I'm…
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:41 PM
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That's good for you but if you're honest with yourself all of those guys likely wanted to fuck you but weren't brave enough to be assertive about it. Again most likely, I may be wrong, but I'm sure no guy goes on tinder to find just female friends
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:35 PM
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Yeah I get you. Women need to be respected indeed, but so far I did notice that most girls are more attracted to me when they think I'm really experienced in bed and when I tell them I'm not they start losing interest, and it's some of them giving me shit tests by saying they wish I wasn't the type to be with many girls etc (again I don't say that but they assume that shit about me because I'm more sexual and straightforward in conversations), yet if they hear what they want they start losing in…
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:33 PM
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I get you, but I think it comes down to putting yourself in social situations too. For me I need to get out more often cause the only places I'm meeting girls is through online or at times approaching on the street. Where did you meet your girlfriend, if you don't mind?
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:30 PM
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I understand it better now, thank you. That is indeed the mature way about life and relationships
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:24 PM
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Alright got it. Though if you weren't looking for a serious relationship nor do you want a fuck boy, then Tinder really isn't for you tbh.
/r/seduction04/07/22 03:47 PM
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Yeah maybe, thanks. I'm a good guy, used to be the Mr Nice guy mostly but I've become more confident, ballsy and sexual, and now girls confuse me for a player when I am not, and then they start playing mind games. There's something about my game that I need changing, maybe less sexuality, I don't know. Also, it does seem that girls are more attracted to me and want to get laid with me when they perceive me as a player or a guy who's slept with lots of girls, and whenever I tell them the truth th…
/r/seduction04/07/22 03:44 PM
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For many of us guys it's true indeed but not because we don't know what we want, but because some men are shallow and dishonest
/r/seduction04/07/22 03:40 PM
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Always tell women you're seeing and talking to other women. Even if you're not. Why? So far the really insecure girls (and most are this way) when they thought I'm a player they started to brag about how many options they have and how they're in demand too. And I find that to be an immature game and it doesn't help in building a connection with the girl. Don't go on dates, just coffee and walks in park or invite to your house direct. That's what I'm doing and what I consider a date lol, what els…
/r/seduction04/07/22 03:40 PM
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Thanks! I don't tell them I'm a player either. They just assume that because I'm usually sexual in conversation, which makes them more attracted to me but it also kills the mystery so long term not a good strategy. How do you imply the idea of sex with the girl (either soon or in the future, so she doesn't see you as just a friend) and man-to-woman interactions if you're mysterious with them though? Just be very very subtle about the sexual tension? Also thanks, I won't tell them again how many …
/r/seduction04/07/22 02:26 PM
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More red flags than Russia - lol that cracked me up
/r/seduction04/07/22 08:47 AM
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Yeah they will always listen and act according to their instincts, even if their logic tells them something else.
/r/seduction04/07/22 08:36 AM
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I don't tell them I got options. I never said that. They imply I am a player because I'm too sexual and forward at times and give me shit tests after that or brag about how they got options too and I'm not on top of their priority list
/r/seduction04/07/22 08:12 AM
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Yeah and yet I've had more success by portraying the bad guy type than being my good guy self. I've read that women want (ideally) a guy that has characteristics of both the good and the bad guy types (it's true right?), though I'm still trying to figure out how to do that.
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:52 AM
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I don't know man I don't care at all how many men are interested in the woman I want. In fact it would be better for my interests if there is less competition. I don't think this psychology fact applies to guys the same way it applies to women?
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:50 AM
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Sounds good, thanks 🙏
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:49 AM
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I'm 23 so wouldn't want to date a woman in her 30's unless it's for fun only. Girls of my age or younger do seem very fickle though maybe I'm not looking in the right places for quality girls
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:48 AM
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Alright, will see how to do that in a masculine and confident way, so they don't get the wrong idea
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:46 AM
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It's a good idea to trust myself but without trusting the person too there can't be a genuine relationship. Or maybe I'm having too big expectations and I should trust them with certain things but not their words
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:45 AM
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That's true indeed but it's likely because things that are desirable are usually things that have been tested to resist/are of higher quality, or at least I think it was like this for most of our history, until recent times when companies started to exploit this
/r/seduction04/07/22 06:43 AM
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That was indeed a huge mistake and I was dumb enough to follow this advice from the girl I was picking up, like she was saying "too bad you're a player" to my joke of sleeping with thousands of girls (an "agree and amplify" joke to a shit test of hers about how many girls I slept with), and I told her I only slept with one girl (which wasn't even true, my count is a bit higher). Ah dumb mistake 🤦🏻, but at least lesson learned
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:55 AM
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Yeah you can. I'm anxious at times too but I've become more confident and ballsy, and this attracts girls. I'm quite sexual too and come across as a player at times or like I'm really experienced in bed, which I'm not, but girls feel incredibly attracted when I'm dominating them or telling them how I'll dominate them when we meet. Of course you don't have to be a jerk, more like the main guy from 50 Shades of Grey books
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:51 AM
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Women do get turned on by words though because they need to see your confidence and masculinity, and your body language while it's important it's not enough. I turn girls on even through texts at times, even if they're not seeing me. For them I think it's like reading 50 Shades of Grey while reading my texts (again, sometimes, not always, I'm not trying to brag). I got some ideas of how attraction works for girls but I'm still learning.
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:49 AM
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Got it. How do I convey loyalty and that they can trust me if they see me as a player though (which I'm not)?
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:43 AM
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Do you have any ideas what could be said to break the ice and start a conversation with a girl at the gym? I can easily keep the conversation going and be fun once the conversation is going but I'm just clueless how to start
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:40 AM
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I was trying to increase attraction with the first part and it usually makes some girls really wet. With the second part I didn't have any reason, I was just less easy to get but because of sexting and being sexual they thought I'm really good in bed and a player, which isn't the case
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:15 AM
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Ah right man you're definitely right, girls likely don't think as much of STDs or the provider part in the beginning
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:13 AM
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Nah I haven't lol
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:08 AM
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That's true indeed. It's funny when I confronted that religious girl friend that she said she'd never want a guy that slept with other girls and only wants a virgin guy, yet her ex boyfriend was a guy who slept with 50 women, including married ones which is a sin, she was speechless and didn't know how to answer my confrontation :)
/r/seduction04/07/22 05:01 AM
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Thanks a lot! I get it. Though I don't even know much how to convey that I have options even when I've subconsciously done it. Just be less available, less impressed by her, easy to lose interest if she does something bad?
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:58 AM
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That's true but a bit sad at the same time. In the end it's how their subconscious works even if it looks stupid at times but they can't change it
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:53 AM
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I'm thinking that such a guy would be less risky for getting a disease and more likely he'll stay loyal and provide for the family (if it would ever get there)?
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:47 AM
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Why it doesn't help them to say they do?
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:45 AM
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I don't do that but I guess many guys foolishly do it because the attraction is bigger than logic
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:45 AM
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Why is it a turn off? In the end he's good in bed and means he's socially intelligent if he managed to have sex with multiple women
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:44 AM
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That's so true
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:38 AM
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Well yeah but I didn't know how to pass it either. At least there are some good answers to this post with what I should have said
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:36 AM
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Sounds like a good explanation, so I guess I'll have to stop telling girls that I'm only interested in them because they haven't deserved that
/r/seduction04/07/22 04:33 AM
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It's sad how it is. But I believe it's just some qualities of the bad guy that she liked, not all of them. Like maybe you were tougher, emotionally independent of her, and more of a leader when you were the bad guy. I think ideally it would be to possess such qualities while being a good guy, though it's not easy to be both at the same time.
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:24 PM
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That sucks. I'm struggling at times too. Do you know how to seduce women though? Like what attracts them. Because looks isn't enough. I'm learning a lot from Dan Bacon but maybe other guys are better for you to learn from (just don't learn from women).
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:12 PM
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Wait there are guys who say they're not attracted at least physically to those women? Lol
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:10 PM
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It's not. I'm showing it through the way I'm speaking to them, not by bragging about it
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:09 PM
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Thanks! I'll check that book out and good luck to you too in the future!
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:08 PM
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Such guys seem good only for fun but not to be kept around for long. At least high quality women want a guy who's independent and can be a good provider in the relationship/family, or so I've read.
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:07 PM
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Sounds very true indeed. Many women that I've met told me that they got disappointed/cheated by some guys in the past bla bla, yet they still get attracted to such guys
/r/seduction03/07/22 09:05 PM
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Yeah you're right. Rookie mistake I did
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:46 PM
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How to pass it?
/r/seduction03/07/22 08:26 PM
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That seems to explain their subconscious choice and how they think. But I wonder why they say they don't like players or guys who sleep with lots of girls. Is it sort of like the Madonna stereotype in that they want to appear good girls when many of them are slutty deep down?
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:44 PM
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Bro the problem is you seem too focused on improvement instead of enjoying life. Game shouldn't be seen as maths or something so mechanic because it loses its fun side and you become a robot. Todd talks about this mindset in that video too. It's good that you want to improve but don't forget to have fun first and foremost while doing game
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:39 PM
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Alright will do that. Lesson learned the hard way. Thank you and good luck in the future man
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:29 PM
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Ah man thanks a lot, I'll note down what you said. You taught me something today, I appreciate it a lot!
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:28 PM
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Yeah I heard that before, I just forgot about it. It's true indeed. It sucks that you can't trust their words much and you can't trust them as a person 100% either. But that's life Ig
/r/seduction03/07/22 07:06 PM
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So you really have prepared a card with your number? Do they really call you?
/r/seduction03/07/22 06:26 PM
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Not to put you down, your determination is great, but you should probably see this video from Todd V Dating for the situation with a similar guy as you: https://youtu.be/tw4Nq2_SUFk
/r/seduction03/07/22 06:25 PM
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Do you discuss deeper topics and really get to know her? Maybe tone down the sexuality? To be honest I don't do that that much, I have to work on my social skills because I am indeed too sexual oftentimes. It attracts women but they also don't trust me enough. i wouldn't say that, always make them feel like you're a catch, because you should be. I get it. So what should be my response when women tell me that they wish I wasn't a player or a guy that sleeps with lots of women? I don't want to be …
/r/seduction03/07/22 06:23 PM
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Prior to her asking me how many girls did I sleep with, she said she would have liked me more if I wasn't a player. And stupid me tried to please her by saying it was just one girl so I wouldn't look like a player. That way needy as fuck and I'll know better with the next girl. Though I'm confused on why girls say they don't like players but they flock to guys who slept with tons of girls (even a religious girl friend that said she'd never be with a player did it)
/r/seduction30/06/22 06:46 PM
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Mate it's one thing to understand women and how they behave and it's another to make assumptions about me when you don't know me. I'm not thirsty because I'm talking to other girls as well but I'm trying to learn from every experience I get, that's why I'm asking for advice
/r/seduction30/06/22 06:41 PM
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Well you don't know much about me so it's fine. Thanks though
/r/seduction30/06/22 03:02 PM
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I meant when girls would laugh that we don't have much experience yet
/r/seduction30/06/22 02:54 PM
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Well said, and girls need to learn to behave at times, thanks.
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:49 PM
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Sounds right, thanks. Though at the dame time it was her who said the same day that she would have appreciated more if I wasn't a player, and that was probably a test which I failed and shouldn't have told her I slept with only one girl when it was 4 (not that many but still). kind of a dumb train of thought out load but I’ve heard girls share this sentiment also girls like more experienced guys. I noticed that too, but I don't know what to do about it. I'm good at conveying that I'm good in bed…
/r/seduction30/06/22 01:35 PM
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Sounds so much better. She didn't want to tell me back when I asked her afterwards either. Thanks 😃
/r/seduction30/06/22 12:43 PM
-1

Well I messed up, but I messaged her on Facebook, not a dating app, so I thought she wasn't in a rush to date anyway so it's better to build attraction and rapport over text for a little more time. I'm seeing other girls too so it wasn't a big deal for me.
/r/seduction30/06/22 12:41 PM
14

That was funny haha, I'll send some cigarettes
/r/seduction30/06/22 12:39 PM
2

Bro I get your points but why are you so aggressive? Calm down, Jesus Christ. You should ask her out right away. I did and she denied at first, so I messaged her some more to create more attraction and rapport. It's not like she was desperate to meet me since I messaged her on Facebook, not a dating app. Second, when a girl asks you how many people you have slept with, just say "I dont know, but its a lot. The good news is that they are all hot." Saying "one" was lame. I got it. Thanks
/r/seduction30/06/22 12:38 PM
23

Yeah you're right, at least not the mature ones
/r/seduction30/06/22 11:36 AM
38

Ahh you're right. I was afraid of saying the truth but that just proves I will have to learn. Thanks 🙏
/r/seduction30/06/22 11:25 AM
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How so?
/r/seduction30/06/22 11:17 AM
11

I've definitely done wrong on all of these. Turned from too much of a nice guy to this sort of creep, then back to nice guy and so on. It's hard to find that balance but it's worth the push. I wish you or someone else would elaborate more on how to make girls comfortable while also creating attraction
/r/seduction26/06/22 06:41 PM
1

Thanks! I'll take notice!
/r/seduction06/06/22 03:57 AM
1

You're right, it does leave little imagination to what will happen, most of the times. I'll have to recalibrate on this so I still keep the attraction and sexual tension but not oversell it
/r/seduction05/06/22 07:22 PM
1

Sounds perfect, thanks
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:32 PM
3

Well that's what I'm using it for. It helped me with most girls to make them more attracted to me by building up the sexual tension until we meet
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:32 PM
2

alright, thanks man
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:24 PM
1

Thanks. Why would sexting be lame?
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:22 PM
2

I get this reaction at the start, during the first few interactions (online usually). So I should be more serious and a bit less flirty and sexual in the beginning so as to not appear insincere and like a player? And thanks for the help!
/r/seduction05/06/22 06:17 PM
4

You're right. We're both 23. I haven't slept with her yet. She approached me on a bus last Friday, and I took her Facebook and we flirted and talked a lot over texts, even sexual talking which made her wet (she told me this) but she kept telling me to stop. I asked her to come to my after she goes to a club on Friday night and she agreed, but I was asleep and didn't hear her message so we didn't have sex, though she's kinda open to it. I see her as potential for a future relationship, and I woul…
/r/seduction05/06/22 04:25 PM
1

Then learn how female attraction works bro
/r/seduction05/06/22 09:38 AM
1

That's so true indeed. But yet surprisingly I've noticed some guys online that have built a great body and yet still can't attract girls. They probably only worked on the external and didn't work on their inner game at all.
/r/seduction03/06/22 07:01 PM
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I believe that having a great body, while it's one of my goals, might make most girls insecure because they'll think you're out of their league. And yeah you don't need a great body to attract girls, you need charisma and confidence. I've had those on the moment and the girl just approached me saying I look very familiar to her etc (basically anything she found to break the ice with me).
/r/seduction03/06/22 04:33 PM
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Guys I got approached by a hot girl today in the bus and I'm chubby, yet she enjoyed talking to me. You don't need a 6 pack abs or the best game to get girls into you
/r/seduction03/06/22 10:16 AM
2

Thanks! I managed to do what you said on walks too but it was less adventurous for sure and it gets boring after some time. But you're right, a well known environment will help a lot. Thanks for that and have great dates too!
/r/seduction01/06/22 03:33 AM
2

That's definitely not what I said. It's one thing to be confident which is great, and it's another when the woman (or anyone for that matter) takes me for granted and acts arrogant with me, which I won't tolerate. Boosting a woman's ego does the latter not the former.
/r/seduction31/05/22 02:00 PM
1

Man I hope it works out between you and that girl! Seems like you got the right mindset and please don't take each other for granted, ever!
/r/seduction30/05/22 06:14 AM
1

Well it does sound like you got out of your comfort zone a lot! I'll do it as well. Probably dance classes to start with. Thanks for the advice and I hope your dating life goes great! :)
/r/seduction29/05/22 08:36 PM
3

Thanks, I understand and fully agree. I used to be really fun with a girl I dated for 2 months last summer. Had to learn a lot to be fun because I was introverted and shy before that. Yet after her dumping me I wasn't fun on any dates I've had. Just over texts but that's not enough. Somehow I forgot how to be fun and relax. But I'll work on it again. By the way, was your personality outgoing and fun since forever? Or did you have to consciously develop it?
/r/seduction29/05/22 08:29 PM
3

Just curious how do you make your dates fun? It's one of my sticking points
/r/seduction29/05/22 08:12 PM
2

But you gotta look at it from girls' perspective too. If you're in the early stages of dating them, they're way more insecure since they don't know you well yet and don't feel safe yet. So many of them won't text first or won't ask if you're still up for meeting, expecting you to lead and ask her. It's just the way they think from what I noticed and it makes sense. Comparing the situation with your friends' situation isn't good because you know your friends for a long time and they're males, the…
/r/seduction28/05/22 09:26 PM
2

That's a great mindset to have for anyone, even if sometimes you don't have anyone to go out with you still have the capacity to make it happen
/r/seduction28/05/22 09:22 PM
1

Maybe i misread the OP but isn't she already ignoring him? Either way, you are giving her all the control right here. She decides when they can talk. She decides when they can't talk. She decides how close they will be and for how long. Etc. She only decides if she wants to talk. He decides for himself if he wants to try again or not. Though if he's clingy he'll rush things and turn her off again. And it's nothing wrong to leave her to decide whether she gives a chance again to their thing, you …
/r/seduction26/05/22 03:38 PM
3

You're taking an emotional reaction too seriously imo. You are leaving her alone by not contacting her or by not staying in the conversation unless she gives signs she wants it, but a simple hi is respectful since they talked for months. It's disrespectful and immature to not say hi when you meet someone you talked to before. If she doesn't say hi back let her be immature and disrespectful.
/r/seduction26/05/22 01:56 PM
1

In every book and article I've seen in my entire life, the punctuation is right next to the word, lol.
/r/seduction26/05/22 08:04 AM
1

It's cringe when people leave space between a word and the punctuation like "use ?" as well. Mostly noticed older people do this 😂
/r/seduction26/05/22 07:57 AM
0

Leave her for some weeks or 1-2 months, then contact her again and see if she's still very cold or not, but be fun and just act like nothing happened, and don't tell about your feelings again. It's the BS advice we see everywhere online to confess our feelings that makes the other person turned off, if they don't have strong feelings for you yet, and your senses can tell you when the girl is feeling attracted to you or not. In the meanwhile, if you want her as more than friends, after you give h…
/r/seduction26/05/22 07:56 AM
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Don't say hi I find the girl will just see the guy as butthurt if they see in real life and he doesn't say a simple hi. It's not a big deal to just say hi and move on
/r/seduction26/05/22 07:51 AM
1

Sounds like this is much better to do. I get ghosted so often when I hit girls up with just a simple what are you up to
/r/seduction25/05/22 07:41 PM
1

Nah mate she's showing indirect signs of attraction and interest, even if she's not fully in the hook point yet. I'll pull back more and be more fun so I don't seem desperate.
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:49 AM
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Mate she's playing hard to get but she's not acting full on aloof and uninterested. Girls play hard to get a lot when they're screening for a potential boyfriend. It does seem possible that she's not respecting me fully but it's my fault cause I came on too hot and didn't work enough to create fun and more attraction, while also acting a bit too arrogant.
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:48 AM
1

That might be possible but she's down to have it with me as well, just playing hard to get and taking up the Madonna look so she doesn't seem easy. I won't come to a conclusion just yet
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:37 AM
1

If she didn't like me, why would she go on 3 dates with me, while also kissing and sharing her life stories with me?
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:35 AM
1

Alright I get it though I think it's my fault for coming on too hot because otherwise she's giving me lots of signs of attraction indirectly, and she's been on 3 dates with me, that doesn't happen when she's not interested
/r/seduction25/05/22 10:15 AM
1

Alright will do that.
/r/seduction25/05/22 09:03 AM
1

Alright thanks
/r/seduction25/05/22 08:01 AM
1

How does it help? Oftentimes when I do that the girl just says "fine don't say it"
/r/seduction25/05/22 08:01 AM
1

Don't verbalize anything about "what you want" it'll just create bad habits. Oh damn, didn't realize it will get to bad habits! How do I convey what I want from a woman though? Like, I've noticed many girls will follow you and do what you want, when they're attracted to you, and they can be in any way the guy wants, even this girl told me this in a more indirect way, but how do you let them know what you want so they know how to please you when they like you a lot? If she tries to bring things u…
/r/seduction25/05/22 05:39 AM
2

Thanks for the advice! I'll pull back for at least a week and see. Indeed she probably thinks she got me in the bag already. I'll play a little hard to get too. Also why are you talking about what you want your "future gf" to be like I do that to put myself in the judging position, to be the one who's judging wether or not she's gonna get a chance with me or not. But I guess my mistake is that I shouldn't verbalize it, or at least I should do it in a playful way? My goal was to be a playful chal…
/r/seduction25/05/22 05:05 AM
2

I think you shouldn't give them your number but ask them for theirs. Girls often have these ideas that it's guys who need to chase them and they'll never text a guy first, or call him first.
/r/seduction25/05/22 04:57 AM
1

Yeah I don't want to boost their ego because then the girls will think too highly of themselves and will start showing attitude towards me
/r/seduction23/05/22 04:34 AM
1

I see. Sounds like a manipulative tactic, or maybe just a way to flirt at times. But I'm sure if it happened too often they just want to boost their ego on me.
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:37 PM
2

It does sound like so. So far haven't been on many dates with these girls but I'll definitely look more careful at it
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:35 PM
1

Yeah it happens quite often. I'm chubby myself but I'm confident and have a very confident body language as well. Maybe that's making them insecure?
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:34 PM
2

Ah damn you're totally right, but most girls seem to have at least some insecurities. I'm sure this is only bad when the girl is really insecure and clingy. My ex was this way and she cheated on me. I'll probably look out for more secure girls though
/r/seduction22/05/22 04:33 PM
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Ah dam that does sound like a very good explanation. I don't usually say much why I like a girl besides her looks on the first date, but I do say I'm interested in seeing how great their personality is and if we match. But it sounds like I need to tell them more what you said. Thanks!
/r/seduction22/05/22 01:24 PM
2

I'm not fit but I'm very confident when talking to a girl and maybe they're testing me or they feel insecure because I'm too confident. Sounds like your situation applies to mine too when replacing it with confidence levels. I don't know why some people would get insecure if you tell them about your lifestyle choices or your fitness. We don't have to compete with each other
/r/seduction22/05/22 01:20 PM
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Likely not. But how do I handle it? I don't want to raise their ego too much either
/r/seduction22/05/22 11:47 AM
2

True that. So in such cases should I just show interest and say what you said above? Or something else? Like I want to show interest but not give too much power away
/r/seduction22/05/22 11:28 AM
1

Yeah I'm quite confused too. It usually happens when I'm showing my interest and they're playing hard to get or some game, maybe to see my interest level but I don't know. And I might have replied badly to this test from girls by saying "leave any other girl aside, I'm only interested in you right now". But I'm not aware if it's bad or not. Hopefully someone more experienced can tell what's the best way to deal with this shit test without losing power or seeming like an asshole.
/r/seduction22/05/22 11:18 AM
2

That's nice. You're really masculine and leading her the right way. I'm sure this works great for both a serious relationship and for a friends with benefits or hookup situation. Girls always need to feel safe and secure, and like the people around them won't judge them. I'll try to be even more subtle in public and turn on the crazy and fun stuff just when at home with the girls. Lesson learned
/r/seduction14/05/22 05:57 PM
2

This sounds too funny and weird at the same time to make sense 😂, unless you're still teenagers
/r/seduction13/05/22 08:40 PM
2

Seems like your guy had really low confidence?
/r/seduction13/05/22 07:03 PM
1

Yes and on my profile too. Was it taken down?
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:38 PM
1

You don't understand much female psychology it seems, sorry to tell you that
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:37 PM
1

Yeah I'll do it more subtle next time, damn
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:29 PM
2

Understood. I'll make a new post. Can I still see my post after being taken down? There are good replies with wisdom and advice that I'd like to re-read at times :(
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:23 PM
2

Alright will see if she's open to still talking and will tone down my direct communication. Hope it goes well!
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:12 PM
0

Thanks, you're lovely
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:11 PM
0

Of course I'll move on if it's the case. But so far we just exchanged a few texts after the date. There was no rejection yet. And she said she doesn't want a relationship either so she was probably DTF but I scared her off a little. Maybe I can turn the situation around and give the right vibes and feelings this time. That's why I posted here asking for advice and to learn. I ain't gonna pressure her, I want both me and the girl I'm with to have a good time together.
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:10 PM
1

Maybe but we're all here to learn
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:06 PM
1

Lots of girls are horny too and DTF and it's a normal feeling. It's just my way of addressing it that I need to work on. You shouldn't shame people's feelings and sexuality like you're doing with me, it's why society is so quick to label girls as sluts if they have sex easily
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:05 PM
1

Ah damn I'm sorry about that. Though many posts seem to be about a specific girl. Could you keep my post if I reformulate the question to ask about how to deal with these situations in general?
/r/seduction13/05/22 06:03 PM
1

Of course, that is always a possibility, but she didn't fully reject me yet. She said we MIGHT not get to that point (sex). She didn't say we WILL NOT get there.
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:59 PM
1

Agree. Will take things chill and easy and not expect anything while I keep my options open too, thanks
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:58 PM
2

As if people don't hook up or have one night stands / friends with benefits. Get off your horse Mr Knight in shining armor
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:56 PM
0

Then do you know that most girls don't want to seem easy and be judged by others that way, or themselves to see themselves that way even if they want sex just as much as anyone?
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:55 PM
0

Sorry but I don't think you understand that well how most girls think on a subconscious level
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:52 PM
1

Are you a female?
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:48 PM
2

Ah so you joke and stay a bit more laid back and fun. Gotcha!
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:47 PM
2

Yeah I learned to be from too shy with girls to being very direct and ballsy. In most circumstances it creates attraction in girls because I'm very confident. I usually reply, " oh really?" Or "I know...' And then? Do you continue with the sexual innuendos and physical escalation?
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:45 PM
1

Kinda yeah, though I'm an asshole at times
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:39 PM
1

Yeah I know. But I shouldn't have told her I want to sleep with her. I thought being really direct and ballsy would work but not in this case it seems.
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:26 PM
1

Yeah I'll try to read more the signals a girl gives, though at times they're really direct and evidently on what they'd want. I'll text her in a few days and have fun, laugh and not bring up the sex again. I'm already talking to 2-3 more girls at the same time and looking for more till I find the right one. Been hurt enough before to learn that an abundance mindset is better than to focus on just a girl. Thanks for the heads up, you seem really wise! Do you mind if I ask you with other girls rel…
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:25 PM
1

No, I don't coerce anyone. If I have sex with anyone, it happens because we both wanted it. Otherwise it's not that enjoyable either
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:19 PM
1

I won't push anything, but having simple conversations and seeing if she's still open to meeting and seeing where it goes shouldn't be harmful. I mean if she truly rejects me again of course I'll back down, but most girls have an anti slut defense because they don't want to seem easy and judged by others if they have sex.
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:18 PM
1

That's always a possibility but I got quite good at reading attraction signals and she was very open to touching and kissing from the moment we met. Sucks you got coerced by that guy, how did he do it without seeming like a creep?
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:15 PM
1

Well I was just honest with what I wanted out of the interaction with that girl. Although too direct but at least I wasn't manipulative. Wouldn't you want a partner that doesn't lie to you?
/r/seduction13/05/22 05:12 PM
2

That seems like it proved to her she can trust you, and that you're not just looking for sex. It seems girls really dig that
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:55 PM
3

I understand. I'll try to be laid back and chill for some time. If I fail at least I learn. Thanks 🙏
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:45 PM
1

I wanted to say that because I came off too strong during the date and likely seemed a bit desperate, and I only realized once I got home of my mistakes. And yeah women are totally emotional, I still have to understand their nature but I'll work on that.
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:39 PM
2

That's quite an impressive story and you definitely know how to live life. Sounds like a much easier time to make a girl comfortable and open up. I tend to rush things and try to get to either sex or something serious too fast and that scares girls. I'll try your way too and see how it goes
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:36 PM
0

Thanks for the advice. You're right. Girls do get bored fast and I'll try to keep texting to a low even though so far it's been my best weapon in creating attraction, but that should happen in real world not in a virtual world...
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:30 PM
2

True that, I'll be more subtle from now on
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:28 PM
1

Yeah she wanted it before. Also, this worked with a girl once but yeah most girls aren't this way. Damn I should have just told her I'm not looking for a relationship and stop there
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:28 PM
0

What entitlement do you see here?
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:24 PM
2

Agree. But how do I move past her anti slut defense and make her comfortable now?
/r/seduction13/05/22 04:24 PM
1

Yeah but she has to trust me if she'll sleep with me
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:24 PM
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True that. I just wanted to let her see I'm not desperate for a relationship and that my intentions are different from what I portrayed at times on the date.
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:23 PM
1

Yeah but that can't happen so fast. We've only been on one date.
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:21 PM
1

Yeah I scared her off but now if I'd say what you said I'd sound fake. Maybe I'll try to re-write your words in a different way. Thanks man
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:17 PM
2

Sounds awesome! So after telling her that and letting the door open did she chase you? Or were you the one to still take the initiative and ask her on dates, flirt etc?
/r/seduction13/05/22 03:16 PM
2

How is that going to help my cause in any way?
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:39 PM
2

That would mean to turn back to the boyfriend vibes I gave on the date and which I cleared over texts by saying I'm not looking for a relationship.
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:31 PM
1

Yeah I agree. Because of my anxiety over time I became much better at texting than dates because over text I have time to think of something witty to say. But it's also riskier and oftentimes words get misinterpreted. I'll try to keep the texts a bit more dry but still fun and to make her miss me too. . You said you gave bf vibes too soon, what did you do specifically that makes you think it was romantic? I kept telling her the places that I want to hang out next with her, gave too much validati…
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:29 PM
0

I got one this way though I must say that was a really emotionally damaged girl unlike this one. I'm just learning man
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:22 PM
1

Yeah I blew up. But I'm not the type to hope she makes a move. 99% of girls are passive and won't do it for many reasons. I know that I still have a small chance to attract her and make her open up again. I'm just looking for ways to do that and to learn. Thanks though
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:18 PM
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I'll know better next time. I just thought that being direct and sexual would work in my favor here
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:09 PM
2

Well she's trying and I know I have to keep my masculine frame and lead. I just don't know how to do it when she's trying to keep her frame too
/r/seduction13/05/22 02:06 PM
1

Understandable. I still have to learn too. Thanks for the advice!
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:58 PM
13

That sounds like a good idea, better than to have a frame battle with her. Though now I'm thinking that it will be harder to keep her interested since she will keep thinking that I just want to have sex with her?
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:57 PM
1

Yeah I agree, I need to respect that. So to offer a better explanation: she was really into me, agreed to all my escalation and sexual innuendos, until I started to give boyfriend vibes and looked a bit desperate. That was yesterday. Today I texted her that I have to tell her that I'm not looking for a relationship right now and that I might have given off the bad vibe/intentions, and that I'm only looking to talk more and sleep with her. Then her anti slut defense came up and she said she doesn…
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:48 PM
1

Does it work to be more forward? How do you handle her anti slut defense?
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:19 PM
2

Alright, thank you.
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:18 PM
2

Me too. She was especially open before I gave her boyfriendish vibes like a dumbass. What do I do now to lower her anti slut defense?
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:14 PM
3

Yeah true, I just don't know what words to use to get past that anti slut defense. I'm quite clueless how to handle the situation if she still verbally tries to resist.
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:12 PM
2

Ahhh you're totally right. I'll do less talking and more going out or having fun. Though when we were on the date, she kept telling me that we kissed enough today or to take my hands from her ass and to be a good little boy. Was that anti slut defense too? How should I have responded to that cockyness?
/r/seduction13/05/22 01:11 PM
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I'm usually very good at turning girls on from texts and making them wet, but it never worked when I directly said that I want to sleep with them. But I'll do just that. Thanks a lot man 🙏
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:34 PM
13

Yeah not nice :(
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:30 PM
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I see. Thanks! And if she says that again when we're meeting? Can't pretend I didn't hear then right?
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:30 PM
2

How do I deal with it? What do I say?
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:29 PM
3

I mostly understand. But should I just change topics (we're just texting) and act like I don't care? I'm thinking she will bring this up again next time I do sexting or try escalation when we're out, or maybe try to friendzone me as a test and see if I accept.
/r/seduction13/05/22 12:29 PM
1

I'm not that experienced in these situations. One way is to just move on completely. Maybe come back in a month or so when she cooled down and her emotions have changed. It might work or it may not. I don't know what else to do. Hard to talk to her and make her attracted if she's closed up.
/r/seduction02/05/22 08:51 AM
3

It's possible. Many girls told me before they faked orgasms and moans with their exes. It happens more often than guys think.
/r/seduction01/05/22 07:45 PM
1

True that, a very possible cause too. Though it's best for OP to stop giving a fuck cause from what he said he already got attached to this girl. Too soon
/r/seduction01/05/22 05:36 PM
1

Of course not everything someone says it's interesting. But your advice contradicts itself. Being a good listener means understanding what the other person says and having an interest in it. Faking interest isn't being a good listener.
/r/seduction01/05/22 01:07 PM
2

Why be dishonest and stay with someone you're not really interested in then?
/r/seduction01/05/22 12:27 PM
2

Thanks, that's a great mindset to have. I'll be outcome independent and stop caring. Likely my problem was, like with many beginners, that I cared too much about one particular girl. And they sense that really fast and get even colder. As for apologizing, I did it after coming across like a jerk even though I'm not one and I didn't try to be that. I tried to tease to be fun in conversation and create attraction but sometimes that backfires. But as you said it's best to be outcome independent
/r/seduction01/05/22 10:24 AM
7

Happened to me too with a girl coming back multiple times. But every time she did, she only wanted to do things her way and was using me for validation and attention. Not even meeting up or sex. I learned to stop that behavior from the beginning now. The sooner you put your foot down and don't accept what you don't like or want, the better.
/r/seduction01/05/22 10:01 AM
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thinking that they need loads of money or great looks to get a girl, not looking at every guy around them that doesn't have those and still gets girls thinking that attraction works the same for men as it does for women thinking they're not good enough not flirting, teasing and creating sexual tension
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:41 AM
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Most guys are simply afraid of talking to women, usually because they've been conditioned to think it's bad or creepy. True that. The internet is full of crazy women and white knights guys who think that it's bad to show interest and especially sexual tension too, besides all the other things you said in your list. And many guys just listen to the BS advice from women to "be nice" and that's all. Though it's nothing wrong with being a good guy, it's not enough.
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:30 AM
2

Faking interest in what a girl says is bad strategy long term and probably short term too, unless the girl is really stupid but most girls aren't. The girl will eventually catch you off guard that you weren't really listening and when she does, she loses respect for you. Without respect her attraction decreases fast
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:26 AM
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Not a woman, but my man, attraction for women works differently than for us guys. Good looks aren't the most important thing for a girl, for many girls it's not even that important at all. If you want to get girls improve your confidence and social skills. And advice from girls on how to talk to girls won't get you much results because most girls don't understand that well how their subconscious mind works (I'm not insulting you girls, just stating a fact).
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:18 AM
2

I believe a friendship is different from a romantic relationship. People who say that their romantic partner is a friend don't know what each one is for. There are relationships where at the start the guy and the girl were just friends, but I have no clue how they developed the friendship into a romantic relationship, unless they had attraction from the beginning towards each another, but didn't show it, or if the guy was very subtle in creating attraction for the girl friend.
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:15 AM
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I can think of a few scenarios: She only wanted sex to feel good, or because she was going through a breakup and wanted a distraction. And you were the right guy at the right time. Nothing to do with you She felt like you were getting attached or clingy with her too fast and felt like it was too much to handle. She didn't enjoy the sex that much and faked everything. My bet is on #1 reason on the above list. Lots of girls seem to do this. I think guys do it too if they got good game and got hurt…
/r/seduction01/05/22 09:12 AM
7

Have you truly quit both porn and masturbating? If so, do you do any form of physical exercise? Do you eat healthy? Do you sleep well for 8-9 hours every night?
/r/seduction10/04/22 06:11 AM
1

Will try that, thank you
/r/seduction21/03/22 05:11 AM
2

How can I solve this problem with porn and masturbation if you can help please?
/r/seduction20/03/22 10:53 PM
1

How did you manage to beat those addictions? I'm still in the bottom fighting them for years
/r/seduction20/03/22 10:52 PM
3

You're saying he needs to become more funny and charismatic. That's something that he can easily improve by talking to girls. I mean they're humans too. He's probably doing pickup too robotic and girls sense that. So better to chill and listen more to hope receptive they are to what he says, so that he develops better social awareness
/r/seduction19/02/22 11:05 PM
2

Then you do you, but I think you'll get to my conclusion in some time, either a few months or some years. Good luck, hope you're gonna be happy and fulfilled
/r/seduction16/02/22 06:39 PM
2

Then put yourself out in the world more, or approach guys you think are a good match too
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:59 PM
2

Well you can't have romance without true love. Faking it is useless. I trust you can find a nice relationship too, everyone around us does
/r/seduction16/02/22 04:58 PM
3

So you want to live your life without love, romance and maybe even lonely sometimes or oftentimes in case your friends are busy with their families? (Not saying it will happen but maybe it's a possibility)
/r/seduction16/02/22 09:37 AM
2

I'm pretty confident I can name at least 2 things that are beautiful about you
/r/seduction16/02/22 09:36 AM
2

Maybe you're trying the wrong way. Also look at all the happy couples around you, what do you think they got that you don't?
/r/seduction15/02/22 05:57 PM
2

So what's your plan?
/r/seduction15/02/22 05:56 PM
2

That's true indeed, but your best bet is to try to be as attractive as you can, have a great personality, and put yourself in the right places where people can approach you
/r/seduction15/02/22 05:24 PM
2

Indeed, maybe try to be open to more guys and maybe you'll be surprised in a good way. Though navigating dating is hard for all of us anyway, but it's important to not give up
/r/seduction15/02/22 05:18 PM
2

Thanks but I'm George. I don't know who Cringey is. Nice to meet you anyway
/r/seduction15/02/22 03:57 PM
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That's clear sign she just wants to be friends
/r/seduction13/02/22 08:40 PM
1

In that case yeah money can help a lot. But still it's not easy to get them. The easier way would be to be very confident no matter how you look, learn how attraction works for the opposite gender and then apply that. Edit: the OP is a female though, so maybe money is even less important, maybe even detrimental for some guys
/r/seduction13/02/22 07:39 PM
1

Sure buddy, how many women have you asked about the importance of a dick with the size you said? How many of them said that's an important factor?
/r/seduction13/02/22 05:59 PM
1

Food and everything else you said can be changed though and to improve his life
/r/seduction13/02/22 05:58 PM
2

If you want, you can send me a picture with you in private and give you feedback on what you can work on. I don't care otherwise. I understand the rest of your points. With gym you can get a bigger ass though, that's why there are programs made specifically for increasing the butt size. For breasts yeah you can't do much about it, but lots of men like girls with small breasts too. Heard the contraceptive pills increase breast and ass size because of the hormones in them, but they can cause lots …
/r/seduction13/02/22 05:09 PM
2

Lol didn't know that. How do you know they're more attractive than you? That's subjective. Also you can work on your attractiveness too: gym, makeup, hairstyling etc.
/r/seduction13/02/22 03:26 PM
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Then it's the fault of the girl for accepting and maybe even pursuing that, not OP. Also most relationships break sooner or later (read somewhere that it happens to 90% of them), and a relationship isn't like a marriage to be as serious.
/r/seduction13/02/22 01:39 PM
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The OP doesn't have any obligations towards either he boyfriend or the girl unless one of them is a friend or relative. And if she was cheated by the current boyfriend, or got beatings from him, or he's got impotence, why should the OP care about him (just in these cases of course)?
/r/seduction13/02/22 01:24 PM
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Best advice here. She probably isn't satisfied with her sexual life in her current relationship, otherwise she wouldn't cheat. But even so she's low integrity and not worthy of a relationship with a decent guy.
/r/seduction13/02/22 01:17 PM
1

Better find women who aren't racist if they truly don't like your color. Millions of them aren't racist so you got a shot. Look at your dad and grandfather, they made it, so can you. As with social status, you can act high value even if you don't have much social status. It's about how you make the girls feel, the emotions are most important if you want them to stick around. Do you flirt or tease them? Or act like a challenge sometimes, in a playful way?
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:53 PM
1

What's the problem with being brown?
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:45 PM
1

I wonder how did all the hundreds of millions of poor men in this world get to bang and have relationships/marriages? Cause money wasn't on their side
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:43 PM
2

That's on them. What's stopping you from getting into a relationship like they did and then to turn that relationship into something fun and exciting? What's your excuses?
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:42 PM
2

Very true. The OP and so many other guys in this thread are so insecure and superficial, it's crazy. But I don't blame them for all of it, news media and Hollywood movies make everyone think that these superficial values are the most important. Though it's their choice to believe in that crap.
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:41 PM
2

That's so BS advice, coming from a deep insecurity
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:39 PM
2

Look at your father, grandfather and all the other ancestors you have, males only. They share the genes you have, so they're probably as "bad"looking as you are. Ask yourself or them how did they manage to fuck and/or get into a relationship/marriage. There's your answer
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:39 PM
1

But surgery can turn really badly especially as you age. If the OP is so ugly, how could his father, grandfather and all his ancestors procreate? Since he shares their genes too
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:38 PM
4

Same for me. If you don't mind, did you overcome this? If yes, how?
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:35 PM
1

OP, unless your reason is only to fuck and not take things more seriously, go ahead with flaky / ghosting girls. Otherwise, I would not accept this type of behavior because it shows lack of character, integrity and respect for my time and myself. Accepting this type of behavior is also encouraging it
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:27 PM
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Flaking and ghosting are highly disrespectful and shows lack of integrity and character, and that you don't give a shit about the other person or his/her time. If you accept this type of behavior from someone else, you deserve to be treated as such again in the future imo because you don't value your time and self respect.
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:25 PM
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Flaking and ghosting are highly disrespectful and shows lack of integrity and character, and that you don't give a shit about the other person or his/her time. If you accept this type of behavior from someone else, you deserve to be treated as such again in the future imo.
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:25 PM
2

If you agree to go on a date with a guy and then you ghost / flake, without giving real and genuine reason, that's very disrespectful of his time and him. It shows you don't give two fucks about him and I wouldn't offer you a 2nd chance to such a girl.
/r/seduction13/02/22 12:23 PM
2

while that's true, a smart man will know how to create that familiarity even with a stranger, like I did countless times. Limiting oneself to the social circle he's got lowers the chance of finding the right partner though since the pool is so much smaller.
/r/seduction11/02/22 10:41 AM
6

Not included in your list but to me: Facebook Dating. Even as an average chubby guy I got like 80 matches in 2 months, and the biggest cities nearby have around 100-300k population, so not that densely populated area. While on Facebook I barely got 10 matches or so. Plus on FB dating you don't have to pay anything so it's even better cause there aren't guys paying premium to get ahead of you. It's all about your game and looks only. And girls are more serious for dating too, at least the percent…
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:55 PM
3

If that was the case, there wouldn't be tens of millions of people on dating apps
/r/seduction10/02/22 11:53 AM
1

Sharing success stories, when including credits to the people in this community, shouldn't be something bad. Indeed that sentence sounds a bit weird but it's true anyway for all heterosexual and bisexual women.
/r/seduction10/02/22 09:45 AM
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Are you asexual? Because most adults have sexual needs and desires, including Op, there's nothing teenager-vibe to it. Also this community is called seduction, it's literally about how to get women. If you're not into that why are you even here?
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:50 AM
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He probably didn't grow in height from the time he didn't get any sex to now, unless he's a teenager and still growing, so how is it relevant?
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:42 AM
11

What's cringe about it?
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:41 AM
6

That's BS
/r/seduction10/02/22 08:40 AM
0

So? Are you gonna be a loser or a winner? Cause I and nobody else gives a fuck about your excuses
/r/seduction06/02/22 07:56 AM
0

Yeah because all these billions of women who are married or in a relationship certainly don't stick around.
/r/seduction06/02/22 06:11 AM
0

Cause the next guy could do mistakes too. And he probably will, nobody is perfect.
/r/seduction05/02/22 05:45 PM
4

While that's true we can all work on improving our look, like gym, eating healthy, good grooming, good haircut, body language and good clothes. Better than to self pity ourselves
/r/seduction05/02/22 05:43 PM
5

Can't agree more. The more porn I watch and fap to, it's like the less masculine energy and vibe I got when talking to women. And girls do feel this lack of energy/testosterone. Best is to fully quit it, it's made up by actors and fake anyway.
/r/seduction05/02/22 11:38 AM
1

ah cool I see, thanks! Indeed there shouldn't be a pre-made answer, just wondering what to say cause I never was in such a situation. And true it comes down to who loses their nerves first.
/r/seduction28/01/22 09:36 AM
1

you put that guy in his place well, his hypocrisy and insecurity sound so cringe lol. I find it's best to put this type of people in their place as soon as possible, because if they see they can get away once they'll do it again.
/r/seduction27/01/22 08:25 PM
1

what's something good to follow up with if a guy (friend or not) would come to you and the girl and he asks her if you're bothering the girl? Besides letting the girl answer, what do you do then?
/r/seduction27/01/22 08:22 PM
1

Yeah keep telling yourself that, I'm sure with this mindset women love you and won't leave you when looks fade or if you lose your money, lol
/r/seduction25/01/22 04:15 PM
1

Then how is any girl going to like you, if you don't have courage and give up so easily? Because to girls you'd act the same if they'd get into a relationship with you and there would come hard times, and they don't want any of that
/r/seduction25/01/22 03:00 PM
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Then move to a different are, or just do cold approach on streets, libraries, mall etc. Also I had a fake profile once to see how it is to be a model looking man on Tinder, yet I didn't get banned. I dunno what you did, but it's strange. Try using a VPN to have a different IP address or use a new phone number or email
/r/seduction25/01/22 02:52 PM
1

Then why are there guys posting here that they're good looking and/or have a successful career and yet they still can't find a girlfriend or that most girls don't want to date them?
/r/seduction25/01/22 02:50 PM
1

Go join clubs, like dancing, cooking or whatever is in your area where there are people who are talkative and friendly. You build a social circle this way and you can flirt and test the waters with some of the girls there too. Also why are you banned from dating apps?
/r/seduction25/01/22 01:45 PM
1

Don't be silly boy, and don't listen to this man. While looks can help, they only give you validation from the women. They won't help you with your social skills or confidence, if you don't work on those. I went out with hot girls and I'm fat, so you can too (it's good to work on your body for your own health, but it's not enough for women).
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:42 AM
1

How would a cute/beautiful guy help a woman in reproduction and being safe together with her kid? Because that's all it boils down to. If he becomes more beautiful, but still lacks social skills, charisma and confidence (he could tell himself he's ugly because of people like you), how are looks gonna help him? Also, stop following Hollywood movies, looks aren't everything to women. Only us guys care about looks that much in a woman, not the other way around.
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:41 AM
1

If you want to join those clubs for the sole reason of finding sex, it will come out and women will sense it. So of course you gotta join them first for the fun of the activity with others
/r/seduction25/01/22 06:33 AM
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You silly boy. Love doesn't come up out of the blue, or so soon. It takes many months to create. And neither did you fell in love with her, it's just lust you're feeling (or something like that). She's fooling with you for attention and validation like others said. She's love bombing you (search up the term online, you'll understand). She's also probably looking for a rebound relationship after she got broken up by her abusive ex. I've been a rebound to a girl and thought she really liked me, an…
/r/seduction24/01/22 11:30 PM
5

Hey man I totally understand you. I'm almost 23 but I felt the same many times before. Some things I suggest to try: join clubs where lots of females attend (yoga, dance classes, cooking classes etc), those are much better places to meet girls than at a gym, and they're intended for people there to talk and be together unlike at the gym where many people go just for their workout and don't want to talk. Try to befriend girls too, you don't have to do pickup on them until you learned how to talk …
/r/seduction24/01/22 09:06 PM
5

For sure but don't go overboard with it either. I dated introvert girls and they have a hard time opening up, even if they try. I too am somewhat of an introvert and am not that great at carrying a conversation until I know the other person and we have things in common.
/r/seduction23/01/22 08:17 AM
2

yeah it's cool buddy
/r/seduction22/01/22 04:08 PM
2

Do you flirt and tease them too? Act like they're trying to win you over or pick you up (even if they're not, it doesn't matter, for them it matters what you think of them)?
/r/seduction21/01/22 11:36 AM
2

Indeed, he needs to make some improvements on himself and not wait for women. They got options, he doesn't
/r/seduction19/01/22 08:50 AM
6

He'll probably chicken out if a girl even approaches him. The kind of guys who get approached by women are very confident and masculine anyway, and they don't go to bars to wait and be approached by women, that's feminine behavior and mindset, or at least insecure and ego driven.
/r/seduction19/01/22 08:04 AM
3

You forgot about the shoe size and zodiac sign
/r/seduction19/01/22 08:02 AM
6

Not true at all. It all depends on how you set the tone with the girls/women. I'm from Eastern Europe (Romania) and I certainly don't have to pay to all dates. In fact many times the girl offers to pay for me as well. But of course it's about how you come across as well
/r/seduction19/01/22 07:56 AM
6

That's bullshit on so many levels from these insecure people who have their lives
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:10 PM
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I usually spot easily these women who think they're above others and then I mock/laugh at them until they give up. Works like a charm
/r/seduction18/01/22 11:08 PM
4

That's immature and a mind game no mature person would do. If he gets a hotter girl (and say as smart as the last one), why would the last girl even matter anymore?
/r/seduction18/01/22 04:36 PM
2

Most guys don't have 10k followers and still get girls. And most guys aren't that attractive either. It's more about having professional photos which isn't hard to get + the right social skills when talking to girls
/r/seduction18/01/22 01:03 PM
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There's many guys who have had success with girls even by looking average (like getting them on dates, sexting, flirting etc). I did as well even though I'm average looking. Certainly online looks are more important than in real life, but it's not the only thing that matters. Personality is the most important.
/r/seduction18/01/22 12:39 PM
5

That's the shittiest advice ever
/r/seduction18/01/22 12:35 PM
2

Best advice here. Well said and very mature as well. It's a grind everyone has to go through in life in order to find a great job/business or find real love.
/r/seduction17/01/22 07:59 PM
1

I don't agree. Most women aren't direct like men. They need to see you're able to attract them and inspire respect in them. Most women won't give a fuck about you until you show your qualities and make her show her good girl side too. Also most women want to be pursued and desired, so sometimes they won't show you a fuck yes immediately unless you're some celebrity or they're prostitutes. The guys here who say they'd not lose time with a girl who's not direct seem to be emotionally weak and are …
/r/seduction14/01/22 09:36 PM
2

Because guys need to be the emotionally stronger, leaders and tough ones. Not women. Are you gonna be attracted to a woman who dominates you a lot? Most guys won't. At least those with balls. Women have other qualities that they need to be praised for. It's just that men and women are different. It's the same in every animal/bird/fish whatever species. The male leads and initiates, and the female follows and submits (if she wants to).
/r/seduction14/01/22 09:27 PM
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And it's that knowledge that prevents me from approaching. Bc in her cache is some guy better than me in every quantifiable aspect. That's something that you are choosing. Those confident guys don't care about you or any other guy. Work on your inner game and the things you tell yourself and you'll see improvement with girls too. Just don't give a fuck man. I'm kinda ugly, boring and I'm not photogenic...so my pictures aren't the best.. Nobody is stopping you from improving what you can though, …
/r/seduction14/01/22 12:12 PM
1

It's one thing to be sad because of a particular scene, but to cry over a game?
/r/seduction13/01/22 04:43 PM
0

Agreed with you, I don't think men 50-100 years ago would ever cry to a movie or a video game, if these existed back then. They were a lot tougher than that
/r/seduction13/01/22 10:49 AM
2

Break the friendship with those girls you want as girlfriend. Flirt and tease with them, use humor, subtle sexual jokes at times. Maybe start with something general like "wow I can't imagine how would be like if someone kissed you", or more specific, talk about US/YOU AND ME, like "wow I don't know if we'd get along on the long term if ...". And stop getting yourself in the friendzone. As someone else said here, girls will consider you another of their girlfriends, not a guy friend. If there's n…
/r/seduction13/01/22 10:38 AM
2

Why is it toxic? Please explain
/r/seduction13/01/22 07:00 AM
1

I can quarantine you seek different traits and sensibilities in women than I do, and women are the same. It's foolish to just think you can approach them all the same. Bro of course nobody says you have to be the same for every girl. You adapt depending on the girl. But the traits that are attractive on a subconscious level are universal, and it's why Dan says to work on them. It's up to every guy how he portraits those traits. But if you don't have them at all you're less attractive. Women aren…
/r/seduction13/01/22 06:59 AM
1

But women can be as emotionally weak as they want. They're women, not men. It's us men who lead relationships and in general societies, and we need to be strong. Certainly there are women who are very strong too and women need to be respected, but most of them need and want a man who's stronger than them in a relationship. That's how it always was, since the start of humankind
/r/seduction13/01/22 06:46 AM
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Definitely. I do it regularly and it's a struggle to quit it or at least do it less often. I'm also quite horny and a girlfriend would be great lol. But yeah it does decrease my desire to talk to girls, my confidence and my charisma, so I have to work harder with my conscious mind to be witty and charismatic, when I wanked off. And even then many times it backfires because I'm not really genuine and original, or really understanding what the dynamics of the conversation/girl are. But when I abst…
/r/seduction12/01/22 11:07 PM
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You're welcome! Indeed great girls can be found if you persist and pursue the right way, not in a desperate way but in a masculine and confident way. I'm in this situation too btw. There's this girl I met online, we made a good connection and made her really attracted, but then I took her for granted, she probably felt rejected and played mind games, I got insecure and said dumb stuff, but now we're still talking and I've changed and I'm trying to show that to her even though she's very cold. Ho…
/r/seduction12/01/22 10:59 PM
1

I guess one good idea is to have the mindset that you just want to get to know a new human being, and not do pickup. You come on later with flirting, teasing, sexual jokes etc. But at first you just try to meet them and be friendly. That could work to not put pressure on yourself nor on the girl. Also off topic: joke about your virginity with girls to create attraction, but after you built some rapport with them. Like say "wow you're so sexy I think it's too much for a virgin like me". And if th…
/r/seduction12/01/22 10:43 PM
1

If you stopped talking for 2 weeks and she hasn't messaged you back, even once, that's a clear lack of interest from her. Also, like one of my mentors told me: it's best for the girl to come up with the idea of a relationship and for her to tell you she likes you first. That way she feels like she's working to win you over and like she wants to make you happy. So odds are really against you if you tell her you like her without making her deeply attracted to you first (which she's not otherwise s…
/r/seduction12/01/22 10:37 PM
1

I guess it depends on what you mean by a little bit.
/r/seduction12/01/22 09:34 PM
2

I'm in the same boat as you. Best way to recognize a girl isn't interested is when she will ghost you or block you on social media or phone. If she answers your texts/calls there's at least 1% chance she's interested. Furthermore, if she's insulting you, it's a sign she's probably testing you, which means she's curious to see how you handle her. If she's laughing at your confidence/humor, that's another positive sign. It's though especially if you fucked up in the past with her like I did, but d…
/r/seduction12/01/22 09:02 PM
1

From my experience, that happens when I don't spark a girl's attraction enough and another guy who knows game better shows up and takes the girl's attention away. Or when I get boring and too predictable/ too available for her. I think it's worth to message her again, and pursue her in a masculine and confident way. But also learn seduction. Use push pull technique, flirt with her, tease her, give her shit tests sometimes too, escalate to a kiss or sex or at least holding hands, and especially j…
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:53 PM
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What do you mean you're possessive of what's yours? You don't own anyone, not even if she was your girlfriend. Treat your insecurities if you want to make girls like you and not the other guys (tho you can't do that with every girl ofc)
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:42 PM
11

It depends on why the guy is crying though. If he's crying because of immature reasons like his football team losing a match, or for losing a game in a videogame, then he can't be taken seriously, or felt any attraction for him.
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:38 PM
1

That's the issue...advice on how to get women isn't one size fits all. You're only saying that because you don't have experience and you're missing the point. The things that Dan Bacon says are true for every girl. ALL GIRLS/WOMEN are attracted to the same main qualities in men, on a subconscious level: confidence, charisma, humor, masculine behavior, social intelligence, being sexual the right way, and emotional strength, among a few others. Sure every girl has a different personality but pleas…
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:29 PM
1

Indeed though I'm still insecure at times too but I'm trying to improve. We shouldn't be too hard on girls tho, they all have one or more insecurities. It gets really bad when they have fucked up childhood experiences or if someone abused them. That's only treatable with a professional
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:18 PM
2

I see. You gotta really asses if she's worth your time or not (or maybe just have a fwb, no emotions involved). Don't try to fix her. You're not required to. Girls who have emotional traumas or too huge insecurities will only drag us down, potentially ruining our marriages if we get to that point. They may say they will change but if they don't constantly act on that, their word isn't to be trusted. Remember, actions speak louder than words.
/r/seduction12/01/22 06:55 PM
1

All this guy talks about is beautiful, hot, sexy women Because that's the goal for many guys. Including me. Though his advice applies to any girl, except lesbians, but who knows if not there too. Also I can't take any of these dudes seriously who act like you can just walk up to women and they're so lonely and attention deprived a rando has a shot Just curious, how many times have you approached women in real life (not online)? Are you talking out of experience? She has a whole OLD inbox and DMs…
/r/seduction12/01/22 06:49 PM
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Funny this is how my ex girlfriend was. We were dating for a month or so, but been talking for 3 months online and on the phone. She had some emotional trauma and was trying hard to get me into a serious relationship and make plans for the future, even telling me I love you too soon. That turned me off even though I enjoyed my time with her. Being clingy and needy, or desperate for big plans ahead is a turn off no matter the gender.
/r/seduction12/01/22 12:42 PM
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ah damn sucks to hear how it went. But you're 100% right. I read here on Reddit that we shouldn't make our partners a free psychologist, like get them to help with all our problems until they feel overwhelmed, and I find that true (not saying you did that but maybe it was similar). I was overwhelmed by pesimistic girls too and I had to let them go. Hope you're getting help with your problems man, you deserve to be happy just like anyone else
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:42 AM
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nah bro I see even some of my elder relatives (males) have the same attitude as he says to have. And they're respected and loved by their wives even though they look average. Not even Dan Bacon looks that attractive but he's successful with women. And trust me good looks won't help that much women to feel protected or to have strong children (it's what their subconscious always wants no matter the age we live in) You can choose to have a positive view or not, it's up to you. But if you want girl…
/r/seduction12/01/22 08:38 AM
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I think she put on an act. She showed she was pissed because she couldn't disrespect you and take advantage of you anymore. But deep down she felt respect and some attraction for you because you stood up for yourself (congrats on that). Now why the relationship didn't last long I guess it's from other reasons?
/r/seduction11/01/22 08:30 PM
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I don't trust most guys online talking about girls either. But I learned a lot from Dan Bacon (and Todd V Dating but he's more of a player). I overcame a lot of my anxiety and shyness by following these guys, and I've found that the people badmouthing them are usually the very frustrated or insecure people. It's mostly about the mindset and attitude you have, combined with trying to have fun with girls. These guys know how to get you there, for free (you don't have to buy their programs). Of cou…
/r/seduction11/01/22 08:20 PM
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I never ignored them so far. I made fun of them too, often times by exaggerating what they said in a funny way. What I haven't tried enough is to throw the ball back at them. Give them a shit test sometimes, or act like I'm dissapointed by them. I do that very seldom, but want to do it a bit more often. Not often enough that makes her play mind games with me, but just to show girls I'm not gonna kiss their butt. How does the ignoring part work tho? Just change topics?
/r/seduction11/01/22 01:54 PM
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it's easy to find excuses my man. Just remember this: the men who kept looking for excuses died alone with nobody caring about them. If you don't want that, stop making excuses and learn how attraction really works, then get to work. I suggested a great guy to follow. It's up to you if you want to keep complaining or get the job done like a strong man.
/r/seduction11/01/22 01:52 PM
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telling him he's a stupid driver, to see if he will easily get annoyed or angry (so emotionally weak) or let her walk over him or asking him to hold things for her all the time, to see if he accepts to do things to please her all the time In both cases it's best to make fun of her, exaggerate her words in a joking way, and not take her seriously.
/r/seduction11/01/22 01:46 PM
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Women will test men all their lives. I don't know about the dynamics with sisters since I don't have any. But I see even my mom testing my dad and they're in their 40's and 50's. It's a way for the woman to make the man stronger emotionally and to see if he's still strong or weak. It has been this way since the start of humankind, better get used to it if you like women. It's not even hard to pass their tests.
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:15 PM
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I agree with most of what you said, yet I can see all around me average or ugly guys who still get girlfriends. Indeed most girls get more attention today but it doesn't matter. I treat the hot ones like a normal, average one. Tease, flirt, joke with her, and they get surprised I don't kiss their ass like most guys do, and then they come chasing me. I suggest to learn from Dan Bacon on YouTube how to attract girls. You'll see looks make up only 5% of your value (I came up with that number). I le…
/r/seduction10/01/22 03:13 PM
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There's no excuse for you to succeed too buddy if he managed to do it
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:47 PM
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Yeah of course you don't need that. And btw how old are your sisters?
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:37 PM
1

And what's stopping you from going to the gym, wearing clothes that fit you well and having a great body language and confidence? Or earning that money for the plastic surgery? Also, how do you think that being a cute guy would evolutionary help a woman get protection for her and her children (emotionally or physically) or help her in the world? And one more thing: how did your father manage to fuck and create you?
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:36 PM
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I'm wondering just how did your dad manage to get laid and create you?
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:27 PM
4

What's stopping you from changing that?
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:25 PM
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Will it be the same when you're old and without a partner, maybe with poor social skills too?
/r/seduction10/01/22 02:24 PM
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Well she seems like a very nice person. Glad you avoided that
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:36 PM
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Is that supposed to be bad?
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:24 PM
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Good job man I really am inspired by your confidence, gonna follow that road too!
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:08 PM
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THIS IS THE WAY
/r/seduction05/01/22 04:07 PM
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Man I do think she shit tested you with these drama reactions. Now, I've been there countless times too by upsetting a girl. A few times it worked to make her like me back and let her guard down. When I really screwed up I told her "sorry I didn't mean by my messages to offend you" (like offer a sorry for your actions not the way you are as a person, if you do that it seems more needy). But when she gave me this fake drama like this girl gives you now, I said something along the lines of "are yo…
/r/seduction04/01/22 11:19 PM
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Yeah you're not good at it but you can learn to control them better. If you feel thrown off, the girl will feel the same way. She said it indirectly that she had the emotions you had, because you had those. Not using the perfect words here but that's the idea. Like if you owned everything up and decided you're gonna have fun anyway, the girl would have been the same way too. Even so, it's not all over my man. Maybe just say something along the lines of "yeah I reacted the wrong way. Didn't have …
/r/seduction04/01/22 07:41 PM
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Maybe you're being downvoted because you were bitter and ignorantly judged me without knowing shit about me? That usually tells me things about you, like you have a broken heart and have some insecurities regarding most men. And maybe you sounded a bit racist too, depending on how people see that And no It's not wrong To want a connection. But in the case of the OP he clearly had a connection in over 2 months of knowing that woman/girl, so that's not the case here. You don't need that many month…
/r/seduction04/01/22 06:39 PM
3

Please woman, take me out of my corner. It's so lonely and cold here. Maybe I'll be a real man then :(
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:10 PM
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Sure if you wanna tell yourself that I don't care
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:08 PM
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I’m not fucking them until i know they’re clean. Nowhere did I say to have sex with a person who has STDs, though. And my point was attraction ain't a choice, you feel attraction for some people no matter how you act on that. As for the risk of pregnancy, ever heard of protection? Like condoms + the pill? Also I don’t think it’s unfair to say there is a bigger risk for women than men, You turned 180° feminazi here and felt attacked as if I compared men with women. That's funny, thanks for the la…
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:08 PM
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Who hurt you? 🤕
/r/seduction04/01/22 05:03 PM
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Yeah I'm sure if Ryan Gosling, Brad Pitt or whoever man you find really attractive shows up you'll refuse sex with him for a few months because "there's a lot of risk involved in sex". And no I'm not bitter. But you certainly are.
/r/seduction04/01/22 03:28 PM
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But I don't think the situation is all messed up with that woman/girl though. So what if she payed and he then asked her to come to his place? That's called having balls and the OP is insecure now but he shouldn't. He acted well on the date in my opinion
/r/seduction04/01/22 02:01 PM
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Hope you're being sarcastic, lol
/r/seduction04/01/22 12:53 PM
2

It's not stupid that you accepted her to pay. It shows you aren't desperate to always be the nice guy and please women all time. If she really got turned off because of that she's not that mature and expects guys to always kiss her feet/ass. But maybe it's all in your head and it's not a big deal for her. Chill out. Take a step back, be calm. Just attract her more while also building a connection, and don't think of the mistakes you did much. Don't say sorry for inviting her over to your place o…
/r/seduction04/01/22 12:52 PM
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Probably grew up in an environment where the man has to always pay and the women to be lavished without putting in much effort for the guy's attention. Which is a bad mindset imo
/r/seduction04/01/22 12:49 PM
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Yeah you're right. Well said
/r/seduction04/01/22 12:21 PM
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Proceed as with any other girl. Keep your frame (confident, masculine, cool, sexual man, or whatever it's yours). Just have fun and give compliments rarely because what I noticed is this girls like this give up guys fast if they think they won them over. But do show intent here and there that you find her sexually attractive and want to get to know her.
/r/seduction04/01/22 10:16 AM
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Laugh at her. Treat her like she's a friend's little spoiled sister. Don't take her too seriously (most of the times), and make it look like she likes you and wants something going with you. But do it in a playful manner. I like how Dan Bacon does this on YouTube. Keep strong on your frame and she'll eventually treat you good, and if not you move on. It's what I would do. The more submissive you get, or in her frame and behave the way she says she wants, the less attraction and respect she'll ha…
/r/seduction04/01/22 10:11 AM
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Nah not necessarily. Girls are all about the emotions they feel on the moment, which you need to spark oftentimes
/r/seduction04/01/22 10:07 AM
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yeah but try to warm her up as well. Use attraction in your favor (some humor, ballsy confidence at times, being unpredictable, charismatic, flirting/teasing then turning it into more sexual etc). If she still doesn't open up yeah it's not a good sign. Though maybe you shouldn't write her off, just have more options and talk rarely with her and don't have expectations.
/r/seduction04/01/22 09:25 AM
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ego and insecurities at work there
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:55 AM
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OP she probably has deep insecurities, has a repressed sexuality or was sexually abused in the past (maybe even just groping by strangers that made her feel insecure and like most men are dangerous). You're right and did everything right so far in my opinion. Don't spend that much money on a girl that keeps sex away from you. It's not worth it. Best would be to approach the girl from a position of strenght: treat her like a friend's little bratty sister. Flirt and tease but don't do it overtly s…
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:53 AM
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these girls must have some deeper insecurities and they don't feel safe unless they're in control. At least it's what I think they're telling themselves. Best is to approach them from a position of strenght, treat them like a friend's little bratty sister, tease and flirt with them but not be very straightforward. I think these girls have some sort of repressed sexuality. Though if you do as they logically wish and do whatever they want you to do, they will lose respect for you. I prefer the don…
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:47 AM
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Try to cold read some things about their profile but not in a negative manner. I like to do it in a mysterious way while also flirting. Something like: "wow you're into this thing, wonder how that would be like if we were to date". Or joke about them saying they gotta protect you if you go out on a date since they seem like they got big muscles (doesn't matter if they don't). Or that before you go meet with them you need to see that they're safe and won't do anything bad to you (kinda like a sel…
/r/seduction04/01/22 08:03 AM
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Maybe approach it this way: tell her over text or phone call before the date you want to know what she's up to and to get to know her a little so you see if you wanna have anything to do with her in the future too or not. Don't discuss any relationship yet, unless it's a flirt like "not sure we'd get along if...."
/r/seduction04/01/22 06:57 AM
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That's great way to learn I'll look into it more as well. I'm also following Dan Bacon and he offers great examples of how to flirt with women and the attitude and body language you should have when talking to them
/r/seduction03/01/22 08:03 PM
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Lol my bad then haha
/r/seduction03/01/22 07:54 PM
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Good luck man! Expect lots of rejections till you really learn this stuff. But with repeated action and learning it gets easier. I'm still learning and struggling at times but I've come far from where I was.
/r/seduction03/01/22 07:54 PM
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What's stopping you from having a better nutrition and working out?
/r/seduction03/01/22 07:52 PM
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To continue on what bean_addict said since I'm also following Todd V Dating: For making it man to woman, flirt or tease by making it about YOU and the GIRL/we/us. So depending on what she says, say stuff like "woah that's so strange I don't know if WE would get along". Or more sexual if you've already talked a lot with her would be "hey we will only talk over the phone for 30 minutes so you don't accidentally fall in love with me". Something like that. Make it seem like the interaction is about …
/r/seduction03/01/22 07:50 PM
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Indeed he did, I'll re-read it any time I feel down or like things aren't working for me. Thanks man for this
/r/seduction03/01/22 06:07 PM
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Stop whining. Did your ancestors need to look great to have a relationship or have sex? Don't fool yourself
/r/seduction03/01/22 05:17 PM
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Great post! Thanks for it, it does help a lot. Hope it never gets deleted
/r/seduction03/01/22 05:17 PM
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One thing you should work on more is what you tell yourself. If you say "I'm not a naturally touchy guy", it's how your subconscious thinks you really are. Maybe it's better to say "I'm confident and touch girls in a normal ways sometimes, and other times in a sexual way, because I like them. That of course if I sense they're into me too"
/r/seduction03/01/22 02:41 PM
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Hmm then it's quite a red flag but also he might have made one or more mistakes in attracting this girl so who knows if she didn't have any real reason to give up on him. Though at the end of the party she was angry at him for leaving her alone which is hilarious since it was done between them the moment she started to kiss another guy.
/r/seduction02/01/22 05:07 PM
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Yeah but I think it wasn't the case here. The OP deleted the post but I think he met the girl at the club if I'm not mistaken. So they weren't dating and none had any obligation for the other
/r/seduction02/01/22 05:02 PM
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Depends on the dynamic there. If the OP and the girl were just 2 strangers having fun at the club, she had no obligation for the guy. Just like he too could have gone for other girls and probably did later on, or before going for this particular girl.
/r/seduction02/01/22 07:03 AM
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I was at a club with my brother once (he was around 22-23, me 18-19) and there was this woman in her 25-30's hitting on my brother and even asking stuff about where he works etc. She was cute but clearly much older than us. Guess all women realize sooner or later their clock is ticking and they get desperate because they can't keep up much with only their beauty. THEN they start to learn the game, if they're still single.
/r/seduction02/01/22 07:01 AM
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Even a well hidden knife that you can't see a guy carrying (unlike a gun) can be very dangerous so it's best to avoid fights for such reasons. Like there's tons of single girls out there anyway
/r/seduction02/01/22 06:56 AM
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Their logic part of the brain says that, but their subconscious admires a guy who has success with multiple women (or goes from one girl to the other, but is successful in that). So from what I know it's best to show her subconscious brain that successful side while also offering her conscious brain a reason why it's okay if you talk again with her.
/r/seduction02/01/22 06:55 AM
2

But he was asking for advice on how to not get out competed again or how to react, so what can someone do in that situation?
/r/seduction02/01/22 06:47 AM
1

Did your ancestors rely on big dicks and money only to spread their genes?
/r/seduction02/01/22 06:42 AM
2

You do you but doesn't mean other ways are wrong. Here's a little fact: my dad approached my mom when she was with a girl friend of hers, on the streets, some 25+ years ago. My dad didn't know anything about them, and they were basically strangers. Mom wasn't that interested at first, not as much as her other friend was. Yet dad wanted her and MADE her interested in him. He CREATED that interest. Now they're still married. So you can create interest and attraction from 0 sometimes.
/r/seduction01/01/22 08:41 PM
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Great text! I love the difference between tomboys and daydreamers. As a guy I'm somewhere in the middle, and I'm sort of in the middle in introvert-extrovert areas, so an ambivert. I actually think I like most girls who are the same and they seem to like my type too, so not too much of any extreme.
/r/seduction01/01/22 08:12 PM
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Yeah imagine if their ancestors would have complained that they're ugly and not do anything about their sex lives. All the generations that came after would not exist anymore.
/r/seduction01/01/22 07:49 PM
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How so
/r/seduction01/01/22 10:52 AM
2

The extra 1 must be for the badass people reading the post 😎
/r/seduction01/01/22 10:52 AM
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How about you try these: 1. Work out 2. Lose weight if you're fat 3. Dress well 4. Improve your body language (straight spine, shoulders back, chin up, look at people in the eyes until they look away, slow body moves like you're in no hurry) 5. Live an interesting life (hobbies, passions, social circle/ going out with friends, a good job/ study well, whatever you find interesting and portray that in an exciting way to people around you) 6. Learn how seduction works (as in this post) 7. Stop maki…
/r/seduction01/01/22 10:51 AM
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He won't get far with those insecurities. Can't help a man change if he doesn't want to change himself.
/r/seduction01/01/22 10:46 AM
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Not really because attractiveness can be increased
/r/seduction01/01/22 10:46 AM
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I like a lot No Excuses by Bryan Tracy. It's about finding that motivation and wisdom to solve your problems in many different areas of life. Also The Millionaire Fastlane by MJ de Marco is a book with quite some wisdom and no beating around the bush stuff too, about how to make money as an entrepreneur but also how to treat clients so they respect you. Though even novel/ SF books are nice, but that's a lot more subjective and depends on your tastes.
/r/seduction26/12/21 07:19 PM
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can confirm. When I read books in trams, everyone looked at me with huge respect and like I was a freaking president or something. Maybe it can be a good way to start a conversation with a girl looking at you too
/r/seduction26/12/21 06:59 PM
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Yeah but for most women it's more important the vibe you give and how you make them feel. If you own your short height and are very confident any way, you'll still win and find a good girlfriend. Height won't build attraction or keep a girl. And as someone else said on this subreddit, being tall is no guarantee to success with women. Neither working out or money.
/r/seduction26/12/21 06:03 AM
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You probably met a girl in the minority. Girls will not care about your height that much if you know how to spark that attraction in them oftentimes.
/r/seduction25/12/21 08:07 PM
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Why not try both? You can do flirting techniques while also having mostly honest and normal conversations, as long as you aren't boring in the emotions you give a woman
/r/seduction25/12/21 08:06 PM
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Seems like the best thing to do, thank you
/r/seduction24/12/21 10:47 PM
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I was thinking of that too, but how do you do that if she lost or seem to have lost all interest?
/r/seduction24/12/21 07:38 PM
1

I'm in this situation oftentimes too. Best is to analyze very well what went well and especially what didn't or if anything you did or said came off the wrong way, like in a desperate or needy, unattractive etc way. It's the least we can do to be more prepared to the next girl.
/r/seduction24/12/21 07:37 PM
1

Great answer and a good mindset the OP should have
/r/seduction24/12/21 07:32 PM
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Ah lol okay. My dad pulled something similar 20+ years ago with my mom's friend when they were just dating and it worked wonders to bring her back 😂, so maybe it's not a bad idea sometimes?
/r/seduction24/12/21 07:26 PM
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How is it a good idea? (Assuming you're not just joking)
/r/seduction24/12/21 07:14 PM
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True words. When a girl is interested she'll at least say she's busy and can't answer all the time immediately. Radio silence means she either found a better guy or she saw some things in the OP that she didn't like.
/r/seduction24/12/21 07:14 PM
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You're right there
/r/seduction23/12/21 09:32 PM
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Seems like a great plan though you have tons of patience. Were all women you went out with so far been into this concept?
/r/seduction23/12/21 10:19 AM
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I met this type of girls as well. In my experience on Tinder it seems like the majority are there for social validation or Instagram followers and that's all. Not that it would be hard, men are the majority on that app and women get like tens or hundreds of messages from guys there and it's easy for their ego to get big. I usually reject these girls or tell them straight that I'm not interested in just texting and if she wants just that it's best to not talk anymore. Op I'd look up for Facebook …
/r/seduction22/12/21 08:07 PM
1

wise words from James Marshall. In the end we can't control how another human behaves, we can only control our reactions and emotions. ​ I was in pretty much the same situation How so? What happened?
/r/seduction22/12/21 07:42 PM
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Take the lead. Be a playful challenge to her. You may be falling for the Halo effect and think she's too good because of her looks and you put her on a pedestal, so you don't take risks because you don't want to fuck it up. But you have to take risks even if you (and sometimes you will) fuck up. That's how you learn. For escalation: try more hugs, or making an imaginary game where you read in her palm the lines and each of them represents something. Or just take her hand and hold it, just like t…
/r/seduction22/12/21 05:56 PM
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As this guy said. Even trying to kiss her is good because she'll appreciate the fact that you have the balls to do it OP, even if she refused you. Though the 2nd paragraph is too overboard if the OP didn't make the girl to be in the mood for something more
/r/seduction22/12/21 05:49 PM
1

Even YouTube is good if he'd follow the right coaches
/r/seduction22/12/21 05:47 PM
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Telling her he's inexperienced and nervous followed by saying he really likes her will kill the mystery. From my experience girls like it a lot to have some mystery and like they have to work to earn a guy's attraction, since most guys fall for her easily.
/r/seduction22/12/21 05:47 PM
2

Damn that's much better, thanks for the tips!
/r/seduction25/11/20 06:33 AM
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Does this ever work? I tried to not give them validation when they were talking bad about themselves in other to get my validation and told them jokingly that they're right, and it didn't have any effect
/r/seduction24/11/20 11:30 AM
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I'd say to move on and stop talking to such girls. Yesterday one girl tried to friend zone me and tell me that she doesn't want to date anymore because she's feeling worthless since she broke up with her ex, and I told her that "I don't need you to friendzone me, I have enough girl friends, and it's alright, take care of yourself and when you've fixed your problems come find me", or something like that. She thanked me and we parted ways. So when they tell such lies just move on, there are other …
/r/seduction24/11/20 11:28 AM
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