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They don't focus on men's issues through the lens of patriarchy theory which leads to them giving more support and less shame to the men speaking about men's issues.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/05/23 11:00 PM
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Feminism didn't invent this at all. But patriarchy theory absolutely exploits it. For example: "well if men don't like restrictive gender roles, they shouldn't have made the patriarchy." - completely absolves women of their part in creating, influencing, maintaining and enforcing gender norms onto men and onto each other. Somehow men are fully responsible for society, despite how nearly every human on the plant was raised by, taught by, and conditioned to seek the approval of women. Spot on. Eve…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/02/23 04:01 AM
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Think like, Andrew Tate, he’s a living icon for toxic masculinity. Then think of the lack of immediate alternative for women Or I could just bring up the behavior of basically any woman comedian like Amy Schumer, Elen DeGeneres, or Mindy Khaling. I could bring up virtually any woman feminist author. I can think of tons of examples, but I think Velma as a show is the best example. Like people fucking love to hate that show. Even so, people focus on calling it woke or racist while blaming things o…
/r/MensRights22/01/23 06:11 PM
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I assume he'd say a man is an adult human male.
/r/MensRights17/08/22 07:24 PM
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I think a big part of the problem is how we define orgasm. I know that I've had bad sex or just a maintenance wank, and I've ejaculated but not had what I would consider an orgasm. I feel like we just define any time a man ejaculates as an orgasm. We define a woman as having had an orgasm when they have a sexual release. If the way we defined male orgasm was closer to the experience a woman has with an orgasm rather than just ejaculation, i suspect the gap would be far smaller. I could be totall…
/r/MensRights07/08/22 07:56 AM
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Do you not think that giving men a space to air their grievances without being belittled isn't helping men? Even feminism says that men not expressing their emotions is toxic masculinity and that men should be able to share their pain without feeling weak. The MRM does this, and we get slandered for it. People want us to open up and be less solitary and stoic, but they don't want to see the things men are staying solitary and stoic about. Now to tear down your post. There’s a post on this sub ta…
/r/MensRights02/05/22 04:12 AM
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This is an absolute strawman and 100% unrelated to the experiences I've had interacting with MRAs. If you actually want to engage in a good faith conversation, I'd be happy to engage, but I suspect you're just here to shout into the void and think you pwnd us.
/r/MensRights23/04/22 09:45 PM
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I miss when I actually could have discussions on feminist subs. I never minded spending the effort responding to 10+ people who disagreed with me. It felt like the only way I could engage with them because they would make excuses about dog piling if I tried to engage them on my home terf. I actually want to have nuanced discussion where I can defend my perspective and hear theirs, but it's become harder and harder with the censorious trend on modern social media.
/r/MensRights12/09/21 03:47 PM
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Or it could be that every physically demanding job I've ever had shifted the hardest labor to men and that's why we don't see women getting as much exercise based life span increase as men do from physically oriented labor.
/r/MensRights31/08/21 07:13 PM
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People just love to say we hate women here and never cite examples or cite a person despising a specific woman who did something beyond the pale.
/r/MensRights16/08/21 04:15 PM
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Problem is, judges can easily throw out a prenup. A common reason is that the woman is under duress. I'm fairly certain I've read a few cases where the duress was he wouldn't get married to her if she didn't sign the prenup.
/r/MensRights25/07/21 09:06 AM
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I love that quote. I'd actually lost my copy of it I had saved, so I went over, starred the comment and saved another copy of it. It always feels good after going in circles with a no true feminist argument.
/r/MensRights25/07/21 08:57 AM
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Is this just a thread of you talking to yourself or were a lot of posts deleted without a trace because it kinda has incoherent rambling vibes right now.
/r/MensRights25/07/21 08:55 AM
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You can tell who actually holds the power in society by who you aren't allowed to criticize. Cut all the privilege and power bullshit and look at who you can't say anything bad about to see who is really in charge.
/r/MensRights21/07/21 04:27 PM
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The part I hate the most about sea lining as a term is that it's just as abused as gas lighting and devil's advocate. People have started calling anyone who disagrees with their point of view and asks for justification a sealion as if no one could people not understand and agree with their fringe arguments.
/r/MensRights09/07/21 01:43 PM
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It's funny to me that when I ask people to name one right in the western world that men have and women lack, feminists can't think of one, name things that aren't actually rights, or dodge the question. I've pretty much only seen MRAs have an actual answer to that question, and it's the one you gave. To me, that really throws into question how much the average feminist actually cares about rights on general.
/r/MensRights08/07/21 01:53 PM
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I'm not sure what tone you took, but I've found that people's reception here depends heavily on their initial tone and the amount of empathy they show. Some men here are very angry and lashing out, while grieving from a major loss. Most men here hate feminists, but only a few hate women, and they don't tend to get a great reception when they generalize all women. What I'd like to know is what kind of hatred of women you think is so common here with actual examples or citations. I regularly see t…
/r/MensRights03/07/21 04:29 AM
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Nah, he's far happier having more time to focus on his music and has always been a fairly solitary person. He always enjoyed his alone time and ability to do whatever he wanted. It made being a roommate with him difficult at times. I'm totally willing to accept that some people are happier living their life however they want without having to compromise with a partner, and if you want to and can afford to, more power to you. I'm married, for reference so you don't think I'm a MGTOW giving justif…
/r/MensRights03/07/21 04:15 AM
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Not true at all. I had a friend who went MGTOW because head good at picking up the wrong kind of women and got tired of the emotional games women he was into played, so he stopped spending money on that and focused on his hobbies with the occasional one night stand via dating apps.
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:54 AM
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I assume he's basically saying does so in the real world rather than just being a keyboard warrior.
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:22 AM
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Courts do not prove innocence, they only fail to prove guilt. This is why the verdict is not guilty rather than innocent. It's a pedantic thing, but it matters.
/r/MensRights03/07/21 03:19 AM
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Bro, not everyone who disagrees with you is an angry feminist. I'm an MRA and an anti feminist. If you don't believe me, look at my post history to realize how wrong you are in your assumption. I do believe in innocent until proven guilty, but being not guilty of a crime isn't the same as not having done the crime. If you kill someone and don't get caught/convicted, you're still a murderer. You've only argued that he's not a criminal because he wasn't convicted. That's a pedantic distraction fro…
/r/MensRights02/07/21 08:10 AM
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No one is saying he was convicted. If a stranger rapes a person in the woods and no one ever heard about it, he's still a rapist. Excusing rape due to a lack of conviction is fucked up man. Yeah, he wasn't found guilty, but his own words describe him as having raped people, so he is a rapist, even if he's not a CONVICTED rapist. Edit: the world didn't piss on my feelings. I'm actually fairly apathetic to this case because the complicated nuance makes me unsure of justice was served or not. If an…
/r/MensRights02/07/21 01:11 AM
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There is also a spending gap in which 70% of consumer decisions are made by women. How can you earn less and spend more and somehow spin that into oppression.
/r/MensRights02/07/21 12:20 AM
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I mean, while I get the spirit of what you're saying and I do believe he raped at least some of those women, I just think everyone saying technicality makes it sound like some minor procedural error and slimy lawyers. When people say technicality without context people get the wrong idea.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 04:32 PM
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If you are a confessed rapist, I will call you a rapist. I don't care that he got a plea deal that made him not get charged. If we apply our standards equally here, he is a rapist. We call women who get let off because of legal bias and refusal to investigate, refusal to charge, or under charging rapists when they raped people. We need to hold a consistent standard. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, but if someone says they raped someone, believe them.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 04:23 PM
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lHe literally admitted he did as part of the plea bargain. While he might not have been found guilty, he has directly said he raped people. Just because you didn't get convicted doesn't mean you aren't a rapist. This isn't a guilty until proven innocent thing. The dude admitted it.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 02:09 PM
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He was not acquitted. He confessed details in exchange for not being charged with his crimes. This was done so they could sue him in civil court because a guilty verdict would be hard to get, and the DA didn't feel they had a case in criminal court. Cosby accepted and confessed, and then the DA changed, and the new DA pressed charges and he was found guilty by merit of his own confession aligning with what his accusers said he did. This guilty verdict was overturned because the government is leg…
/r/MensRights01/07/21 08:50 AM
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I don't consider a plea bargain for his confession on exchange for not being criminally sentenced that was violated to be a technicality. That would be like accepting a plea bargain of manslaughter with a confession in exchange and then being slammed with murder 1 and the death penalty. I'm not even rating on if that plea was reasonable. I'm just tired of people saying let off on a technicality when the "technicality" is that the government legally must honor any plea bargain they offer.
/r/MensRights01/07/21 08:44 AM
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To me, the bullshit is reciprocal force in self defense. Once you have violated my rights with physical violence, I'm under no obligation to worry about injuring you too much in self defense. My concern is stopping the threat of personal bodily harm. If I think a restraining hold will work, I'll go for that. If not, I won't pull my punches. I'm going to punch back full force because they could have a weapon they pull if I don't make them stop. I won't try to kill someone who just hit me, but I w…
/r/MensRights30/06/21 03:20 PM
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In my opinion, there were right to remove your post for violating the now meta posts rule. I think they actually have a meta sub specifically for that. With all that said, the red flag MRA temper tantrum thing is utter bullshit and just a way to frame your deleted post when people see deleted.
/r/MensRights30/06/21 03:16 PM
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I've read enough CRT papers to know you're either ignorant, intentionally lying, or just not understanding the connection. The core problem with CRT is that peer reviewed CRT papers basically start with a conclusion and then fill in the details. Anything can be attributed to race, and regardless of who is involved, the conclusion is always hegemonic whiteness or white supremacy, even if not a single white person is involved. Also, the attitude of it attacks the systems and only considered you cu…
/r/MensRights27/06/21 05:59 PM
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If you're going to say he's wrong, then at least have the decency to explain what it does say. I've read some CRT from college, and while that might be slightly exaggerated, it's not an unreasonable reading. It basically says that there oppressors and the oppressed. If you're a part of the oppressor group, you're inherently racist because you benefit for racism and bear the guilt of people who share that trait with you both past and present. It's more or less marxism applied to race rather than …
/r/MensRights27/06/21 08:59 AM
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The only thing you can reasonably blame yourself for is your actions. What she did, raping you, isn't something you deserved or brought on yourself. The action I would focus on is your inaction in response to the red flags you saw. More or less, do what you can to learn from this and avoid women who show the same kinds of red flags. There's a good chance this is going to be confusing and traumatic as you process all of this, but unless you think of yourself as an eternal victim who will never ge…
/r/MensRights27/06/21 06:54 AM
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As someone who has been raped, that is exactly what happens and it's why rape is so traumatic. I had the most intense orgasm of my life when I was raped and was left feeling dirty and betrayed by my own body. It's really fucked up. In fact, if you look on the rate women orgasm during rape, it's shocking how common it is. In some studies I've seen, the number is higher than woman report for orgasms during consensual sex. This is in no way to imply anyone likes getting raped. This is trying to exp…
/r/MensRights27/06/21 06:40 AM
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It is.... Read some court room manuscripts champ. PS. I am a man. So U can't just dismiss my comment as another hysterical radical feminist. You can be a hysterical radical feminist and a man at the same time, you know. Also, until you find me a court transcript saying such things, I'm going to assume it's not real because you've provided no citation, and I've never seen a citation presented. Maybe you boys should focus on the other men giving men a bad name. Not the women calling it out. How ab…
/r/MensRights27/06/21 06:24 AM
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I mean, I get that, but it wasn't as much that definitions changed as we realized politics were far too complicated to have the left and right label we had, so now people talk about politics with more than one axis. Classical liberal is liberal over authoritarian with socially progressive views and fiscally conservative views. It doesn't make sense to just have conservative and progressive as if anyone is universally one or the other. To me, the most important thing is clarity of jargon. People …
/r/MensRights26/06/21 07:50 AM
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Typically left is progressive and right is conservative. There is both social and economic left and right. Then there is liberal vs authoritarian. Calling the liberal side anarchy is like calling the authoritarian side totalitarian. The way equality is often viewed as left is because changing structures to be more equal is change and progress rather than conserving the current fabric of society. At the same time, advocating for equality can be a conservative position if the social wave is attemp…
/r/MensRights26/06/21 05:50 AM
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He said no. She did it any ways. It doesn't matter that she stopped. She transgressed on explicit refusal of consent. That is rape, in the most simplistic and narrow definition.
/r/MensRights26/06/21 05:40 AM
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I'm very socially progressive. I could go on for hours about how to restructure the prison system into a rehabilitative institution while spending more per year per inmate to reduce the overall cost by drastically reducing recidivism. I also have opinions about how to improve the educational system by creating structures for better targeted educational styles as to better encourage a passion for learning that will better prepare people for life and make them more resistant to cultish mentalities…
/r/MensRights26/06/21 05:25 AM
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I've never heard the term used as anything besides a sexual connotation, applying a feeling of being used for money, or just a general insult by assholes. I'd say his dictionary definition argument is fair and speaks to something people generally feel, even if he said it in an uncouth way. That all said, I wouldn't have an issue with being with a sex worker. I've always cared more about honesty and support than monogamy. If she was bringing home good money, honest with me about things, and emoti…
/r/MensRights23/06/21 03:36 PM
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This actually goes way back before the 70s. I've seen writings from ancient Rome where they say that the previous generations treated women as property and we're violent towards them but no longer. It's just a common refrain that the primitive savages of yesteryear were that way but now our enlightened people are not, weather on not the past was savage or the the present is benevolent.
/r/MensRights14/06/21 05:48 PM
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The top ones were memes and satire when I looked. It was pretty gold if you take it as silly shit and not full serious.
/r/MensRights13/06/21 02:00 AM
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My wife lost her job to the pandemic as we were buying a house. I told her to wait to get a new job until we find a house and focus on house hunting and making calls and appointments. She did my laundry and cleaned. She helped me unwind after work and took care of me. She found a great house I love and we bought it, so now she is looking to start back work since we know where she will be commuting from. There are times where being a stay at home parent is awesome, but you need to treat it as a j…
/r/MensRights07/06/21 08:14 AM
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Let me try a different approach. Many of the issues we deal with revolve around double standards that people claim don't exist. People claim feminists don't block our advocacy. People claim we don't understand our own feelings and feminism gets to tell us how to be healthy. In trying to prove a double standard, it is essential to provide egregious examples of the behavior and its treatment. Exposing these cases is a way to advocate for men. It's not my favorite way, but it has value, and sometim…
/r/MensRights07/06/21 08:08 AM
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I've been on there, and it's a great idea and civil but not really productive conversation. Essentially both sides respond with their perspective and then both sides declare victory and circle jerk each other rather than actually try to understand the other side and the complaints about their side.
/r/MensRights06/06/21 12:21 AM
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It's an idiomatic phrase, and you know what it means. Stop being a pedantic fool.
/r/MensRights28/05/21 09:25 AM
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The problem is that they don't enforce the rules fairly. I know we get brigaded and hit by false flags fairly often, but the admins never take action on that. They basically have the rules written strict and neutral and then only enforce them on people who don't match their ideology.
/r/MensRights26/05/21 09:55 AM
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Tell us what you said, I know I'd love to hear what they banned you for. Odds are I can tell you what it was that you got the ban for. They've got a specific perspective they allow on those subs, and if you say anything that breaks that narrative, they get rid of you.
/r/MensRights26/05/21 09:47 AM
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It's not reasonable for you to take blame for actions you did in your sleep as if you committed a crime. Without intent, there is no crime. While unconscious, there is no intent. You can feel bad about the fact that things got awkward, but in my opinion, you didn't do anything wrong if you're telling the truth and this all happened while you were sleeping. Honestly, I don't put much stock into her words as you tell them. The fact is, if this stuff happened on night one and made her uncomfortable…
/r/MensRights26/05/21 09:44 AM
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You've got my upvote, but I've got to disagree. It's not as much that I believe you're wrong that it's a waste of time as much as I must believe that it's worth while. "Wasting your time" making noise against censorship and propaganda is never a waste of time. It almost never works, but the slow erosion of truth against propaganda is the way out. Maybe your work to say no doesn't work, but eventually it will by someone. This is a war of attrition. As long as we assert actual equality in the face…
/r/MensRights22/05/21 09:49 AM
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That's if they already know the person knows it. It's not uncommon for men to share their knowledge as a form of bonding. Some times, it's just the man showing he has value. Sometimes it's giving his perspective and wanting to hear if the other person has a different perspective. Maybe he has ADHD, OCD, or autism. There certainly are men who are just condescending pricks, but usually mansplain is just used to silence men expressing themselves as if any time a man explains something they're being…
/r/MensRights19/05/21 05:27 AM
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You absolutely can eat raw meat, there is just more of a risk of food borne illness. I'm not saying you can't survive without meat, but to claim you can't eat raw meat when dishes like carpaccio, sushi, and oysters exist and people have eaten raw meat in a crisis for thousands of years is just wrong.
/r/MensRights15/05/21 05:58 PM
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Feminism constantly claims to be for equality for all. That's why sexuality and racial issues often are feminist causes. Even without that, it claims to be advocating for the equality of the genders, and that's why it's so odd when they're pushing for more benefits for education for women when women outperform men in school already. It's also odd how hard they push for violence against women when men make up the vast majority of victims of violence. I also don't know how feminists call for less …
/r/MensRights08/05/21 09:06 AM
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I suspected that the instant I saw "left the MRAs". It's always the MRAs when there is a false flag. Anyone who has spent time here knows that it's leaving the MRM. MRM and MRA being used interchangeably is always a dead give away.
/r/MensRights07/05/21 09:27 PM
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I'll give you that it's fair that we (or at least I) use left in an American centric perspective, but at the same time, we're referring to the culture we live in. While the meaning of left may be different in different nations, most Americans use left to mean either aligned with democrats or progressive. When I say left, I mean progressive as that is what is opposed to conservatism which is the defining trait of the right. I don't think that progressivism is inherently bad, as society does need …
/r/MensRights04/05/21 07:53 PM
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I didn't say he is a fundamentalist. I said he holds some views that are fundamentalist. I've watched the series on the bible from a psychological perspective and really enjoyed it. I'd say about 95% or so of what he says that's religiously inspired is stuff I agree with, but the other 5% I'm iffy on or disagree with.
/r/MensRights03/05/21 04:06 PM
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I like him, but there are parts I disagree with, mostly around his more fundamentalist religious views. His life advice is solid and a message a lot of society needs. He's extremely empathetic towards the plight of men, and he's helped to fight the empathy gap by both defending men having emotions and crying at injustice. His structure for how to think and analyze is also amazing for deradicalizing people. This alone makes him an important voice. He also teaches responsibility and accountability…
/r/MensRights02/05/21 07:42 PM
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I was actually talking to someone earlier today about how wikipedia used to be more accurate than encyclopedia britannica because of crowd sourcing paired with solid rules on citation and verifiable sources before there was an infiltration of editors with an agenda.
/r/MensRights28/04/21 02:52 AM
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While that is fairly accurate, I'd lean towards that being because society tends to scorn anything focused on men and men's interests, and manosphere is referring to the male centric communities. I don't think splitting the MRM away from the manosphere would do anything to change anything for anyone. It would still get the same attacks just because it's advocating for men, and trying to make things better for men is discrimination because patriarchy and men have no problems, but we do have probl…
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:41 PM
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I find it interesting that the article is entirely focused on the woman getting 40 lashes while giving a slight tangent to the man who has been incarcerated for his involvement. Don't get me wrong, the 40 lashes is unacceptable and barbaric, but I view 40 lashes as a less severe punishment than incarceration in a nation that uses public corporal punishment.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:23 PM
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Except left still has a meaning, and in the way he is using it, the definition is accurate. Left wing media used MRA as a buzzword a few years ago. Then they moved to Nazi, and now they're on an incel kick. I'm not even on the right. I just don't see how a descriptor accurately applied is worth ignoring the core point of the analogy unless you're just looking for a win without engaging the actual content of the statement.
/r/MensRights27/04/21 08:18 PM
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It's an article on what they define as the manosphere. They list MRAs, PUAs, father's rights groups, MGTOWand incels. Listing them as parts of the manosphere implies that MRAs, PUAs, and incels are not the same thing or there would be no reason to list each individual one. Don't get me wrong, it's not ideal, and I don't think it makes sense to lump them all into a single group as the manosphere, but I see it as a major improvement when they just called Roosh V. an MRA. Let's see if this analogy …
/r/MensRights27/04/21 07:20 PM
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What do you think about recommendation systems online on platforms like Youtube? I think they cause issues with confirmation bias and echo chamber creation and reinforcement if you don't actively fight against it. At best, it leads to stagnation of content consumption that is bad for growth. Do you think you live in political bubble or echo-chamber? I actively avoid doing so, and that's probably the only reason I'm not in one. I use multiple accounts curated around specific political leanings to…
/r/MensRights20/04/21 10:13 PM
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Menslib is just a feminist astroturfing sub. They claim to be focused on listening to men and liberating men, and yet, if you don't tow the feminist line that has declared (usually via women) what the real issues men face, you get kicked out. They have posts where men suffer actual discrimination based on their gender where the top posts are pointing out how the men should be mindful of what women deal with and that toxic masculinity makes it reasonable for women to view men that way. If you did…
/r/MensRights14/04/21 08:50 PM
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Question: How is a lot of this sub focusing on how women have it better/easier than men not men's rights? How do you expect people here to show that men are mistreated in society without any sort of comparative basis? The mainstream narrative is that women are treated poorly by society and we must change society for the sake of the women who are mistreated. It's also that men have privilege over women. From my perspective, showing that men have problems that women don't have and that those probl…
/r/MensRights14/04/21 08:41 PM
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Every problem is easy if you reduce them so much. The fact is, policing is an extremely intricate and nuanced problem related to procedural norms, laws, discrimination, and media bias. While we do need police reform, a lot of it such as better allocation of funds for training, staffing, and community outreach, it's not a simple fix. Yes, cops should be accountable for police brutality and unreasonable use of lethal force. At the same time, we need to respect the fact that they are asked to engag…
/r/MensRights14/04/21 08:30 PM
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Nothing to see here. AHS is just like you took a group of people with delusions of mediocrity who thought David Futrel's biggest flaw is that he's too honest in how he portrays his enemies. They're just angry their ideology isn't mainstream so they slander anyone who steps out of line on reddit to feel like they matter.
/r/MensRights14/04/21 08:06 PM
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What you said it sounds like is how many gender studies academics define patriarchy to be. It's not that it seems to mean that, it's that is how they use and define the term.
/r/MensRights22/03/21 03:21 AM
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How is a sub dedicated to men's issues advocating for men in their own private space attempting to distract from women's issues. If anything, you came here to distract from men's issues via women's issues in a space made for men's issues while hurling prejudiced statements at men. Do you realize that you are minimizing men's struggles and even victim blaming men in this very thread? Almost everything you are accusing people of doing to women, you are doing towards men. We are here on this sub, l…
/r/MensRights21/03/21 07:06 PM
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I don't believe those personal blogs where they answer fan mail are the real person. Any entertainer creates as PR persona and often portrays a fake "real self" under guidance of a PR firm. Don't get me wrong, if the story is true, she's a monster, but I just see the fact that she is a porn star speaking in a blog focused around her fans makes reasonable doubt as to if she did it or not. That all said, it pisses me off that men don't get that kind or reasonable doubt or innocent until proven gui…
/r/MensRights19/03/21 02:54 AM
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Oh, I agree. I suspect, for many people, shame is tied to their sexuality. They know the things they are into are dirty, and how dirty it is, gets them off. I just think people should be able to get their rocks off however the fuck they want as long as everyone consents. If I don't like it, I'll ignore it. Just don't push it in my face and I won't pay attention to it and we can both get what I want. As far as the empowerment messages, men get those in so many ways. It may not be that extreme, bu…
/r/MensRights18/03/21 11:32 PM
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You literally cut that sentence in half the remove context. It ended with "that didn't seem to be In a work capacity". That video was answering fan mail. That is in a work thing.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 05:13 PM
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Oh yeah, you could probably think of new things they didn't account for to make the numbers more dramatic all day and all night. It's more or less that they just pick every metric to make it more common they can and ignore every one that makes it less common. That's when they aren't redefining terms and making up statistics.
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:22 AM
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This may be unpopular, but I don't know if I believe she is a rapist. My issues is that she does porn, and there can be some crazy fetish play in porn. There absolutely is rape fantasy and simulated rape porn. If I saw footage of her saying something like that that didn't seem to be in a work capacity, I'd be more angry. Like, cardi b said the same kind of shit like a funny anecdote. To me, it's absolutely possible that this was wank fodder for her fans with rape fantasies to get off to imaginin…
/r/MensRights18/03/21 10:03 AM
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The one place I disagree is that you're assuming, in your math, that all rapists only commit one rape and then stop. That's what it would take for 1 /1610 men to be rapists. If we assume the average rapist has raped 2 people, it goes to 1/3220 men. I'm not sure what the average rapes committed by rapists in their life is, but I know it's more than 1 or 2. From what I understand, most rapists tend to have a fucked up view of consent and rape a lot and the numbers make the odds of any one man bein…
/r/MensRights18/03/21 09:51 AM
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This reads like concern trolling. Over all, this sub tends to be rather egalitarian with posts and comments complaining about discrimination against men being upvoted and posts and comments trashing on women as a group are karma neutral or negative. The narrative that it's just teens and random radical feminists doing the anti male rhetoric is also very disingenuous. There are feminist institutions and college professors pushing the crazy that these random people pick up and run with. The people…
/r/MensRights15/03/21 07:42 PM
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The wage very much isn't the whole of issue. I mostly have gotten stuck in the service industry that pays far less. I taught for a few years, and it was almost twice what I was earnings at my other jobs and 50% more than I earn right now. I left teaching because of discrimination. Even though my school I was at was very amicable to men as teachers and actually aspired to have more quality male teachers, there was still a lot of discrimination. There were state and county rules at allowed certain…
/r/MensRights26/02/21 06:28 PM
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And a caged beast will often long to go back into the cage when set free. I can feel empathy for them, but no amount of empathy will change my perspective that it is a barbaric practice that is normalized in their culture.
/r/MensRights30/01/21 09:48 PM
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In saying that you're either a cultural relativist or a cultural absolutist. If you're going to ignore barbaric practices in one culture, you should be consistent. One group thinks mutilation isn't barbaric. The other group thinks imprisonment and enslavement isn't barbaric. I don't care what they think and don't believe that a barbaric practice being normalized in a culture makes it more acceptable or less barbaric, in terms of an absolute perspective. The argument that it's just their culture …
/r/MensRights30/01/21 08:31 PM
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And some people don't see a woman forcing herself on rape. That doesn't make it so. Not viewing barbaric traditions as barbaric doesn't make them suddenly wholesome. Hell, I'd wager the Chinese government doesn't think the camps are barbaric, so we should give them a pass, too.
/r/MensRights30/01/21 06:17 PM
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Both forced internment and circumcision are barbaric. They can actually both be wrong in this. Cultural tradition and normalcy isn't an excuse for mutilation. Authoritarian internment of an ethnic population in pursuit of genocide isn't justified by a religious tradition of mutilation. Edit:. Before I get a false equivalence response, they don't have to be the same to be wrong I can say calling a person names is wrong and stabbing someone for calling you names is wrong without thinking they're t…
/r/MensRights30/01/21 05:50 PM
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See, here's my issue. Intersectionality is used to hurry men's issues, not highlight them. There are plenty of issues that impact men worst, such as police brutality, but intersectional thinking my looks and sees that by population, certain minorities are disproportionately the victims. Then, the discrimination against minorities is used to make is a racial issue while ignoring that the gender disparity is 6x larger than the racial disparity. This 6x gap isn't hypothetical. The 6x gap shows up i…
/r/MensRights24/12/20 01:16 AM
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Honestly, a big help would be if feminst organizations and academics stopped pushing patriarchy theory that is simple put, victim blaming all men for their own issues. It would also help if feminists would stop protesting our gatherings and making terroristic threats against venues that host us. I'll work with a feminst, but I won't trust them if they can't acknowledge those things are problems. Also, it would help a lot of they give specifics when criticising our movement rather than just shout…
/r/MensRights28/11/20 09:34 PM
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It's not the truth. I was giving the response I feel like the feminists would give. The truth is that the leadership within the movement is rotten to the core. Academic and organizational feminsm is the worst of the movement, and the feminists who actually believe in gender equality are useful idiots propping up a movement that has lost its purpose and seeks only power.
/r/MensRights22/11/20 06:09 AM
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Gonna chop your post to respond on topic and not ramble, I fully disagree with you, but I will try to remain respectful for the sake of discussion. Yeah it’s a theory, so is evolution and the Big Bang. We can’t exactly prove it but overwhelming evidence falls in line with it. I don't see overwhelming evidence, I see confirmation bias where there are many explanations besides patriarchy. This is why I say it needs to be falsifiable. Unless there is a way to disprove patriarchy that could be accep…
/r/MensRights18/11/20 06:57 PM
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And I assert that patriarchy "theory" is garbage as it has no value as a predictive framework and does not have internally consistent logic outside of women are oppressed by men being the conclusion, and then all evidence is taken as proof. If men are incarcerated more than women it's sexism against women for not holding them accountable for their actions, it's because we infantalize them. If women see a bigger increase in incarceration rates, (because the previous number was so small) it's disc…
/r/MensRights18/11/20 10:00 AM
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Worst poll ever. It assumes a premise that MRAs reject and only has answers that accept the core premise of patriarchy in the way feminsts use it. The term is basically the equivalent of Satan in the bible, an invisible source of all evil to be feared that opposes everything the ideology stands for. I shouldn't even have to reject patriarchy because it's a "theory" with no predictive value and no way to falsify. Can you explain how patriarchy, as feminists use the term, is valid? How is society …
/r/MensRights18/11/20 06:16 AM
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Not a feminist, but let me see if I can do it for them. Here it goes. She's not a real feminst. Real feminists believe in equality. Feminism has been fighting for equal rights for all for over 100 years and you can't blame feminsm for the bad people who claim to be feminsts. Edit:. In case it was unclear to people, this isn't my opinion. This is what I think feminsts would say.
/r/MensRights18/11/20 06:11 AM
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I understand you are posting in good faith, and that's rare when a person asks a question like this, so you have my respect for that. You don't have to say you're sorry so much because you are being respectful and genuine, even if most of us don't like your idea. I have worked together with feminists before, and sometimes it has been nice, but frequently, as soon as I question any feminst dogma, they turn on me. Patriarchy theory, a core premise of feminism asserts that men created society for m…
/r/MensRights08/11/20 06:18 AM
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This is a morality question and has been debated for as long as copyable media has been a thing. People who say piracy is theft believe that it is because you acquiring a product without paying for it. People who don't feel it is theft believe that the morality problem of theft is related to the loss of an object and piracy doesn't take an object, it clones it. It's also been shown that quality reviews of media and easy access to paid media reduces piracy. Steam actually caused piracy to go down…
/r/MensRights08/11/20 05:36 AM
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I'm honestly not even sure what your argument is about at this point. I was just saying that you don't need to proclaim your respect for women unprovoked here because we don't treat people as misogynistic until proven otherwise. I don't care for how ban happy many subs are and I don't care how most subs will delete on topic posts that may be controversial rather than letting karma do its job. I also don't like how people assume the worst until proven otherwise. I'd assume both of them moderated …
/r/MensRights06/11/20 08:04 AM
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I'm sure that is suppression or tampering, but I really think you're missing the point. I don't like Trump. I despise Biden. You keep trying to convince me Trump is bad when I already agree with you. I could level just as many if not more issues with Biden, and no amount of Trump bashing is going to make me think Biden isn't bad. You have been more or less angrily agreeing with my opinions on Trump thinking that it somehow will change my opinion on Biden.
/r/MensRights04/11/20 10:23 PM
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I'm at work so I can't provide a source at the second, but when I get home, I'll find the footage from his own campaign decrying Trump's repeal of title IX expansion which declared campus sexual assault a gendered problem and made it so the accused is interviewed by the school with no right to an attorney, no right to face the accuser, and a preponderance of evidence as the burden of proof. Trump repealed this expansion sending campus sexual crimes back to the criminal justice system where legal…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 09:23 PM
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This is orange man bad bullshit with a flimsy justification of men's rights. I'd be happy to talk about actual men's rights issues related to the two candidates, but I really don't think you'd like how that went. Hell, I even agree with quite a bit of what you said, but I don't agree with your conclusions. Biden has directly stated he wants to repeal one of the major victories for men's rights (repeal of title IX courts in schools). He was also the VP when this happened and praised it. How in an…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 05:39 PM
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See, we're both looking across a divide here. I've heard orange man bad since before he took the office. I've heard Russian agent over and over with no actual evidence. I've head he's frauding the election with no concrete evidence. I'm just numb to the mud slung at him at this point because when I say I don't hate him the way I hear the left hates him, I get called a cultist and irrational without having explained myself. That behavior on the left is driving people out of the left. You sound li…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 02:52 PM
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Bro, you're just being a dick. You literally asked me a direct question I responded to. You said that shit off topic out of no where. If you can't see where it is different, I don't know how to explain it to you. I also don't appreciate the fact that you set that shit up and then down voted me. Fuck it, I'm just gonna put you on blast for the fact that you pulled that shit. I'm an autist and I skimmed your post history. You posted in left wing men's advocates 3 weeks ago about how we banned you.…
/r/MensRights03/11/20 08:47 AM
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That pretty much summarizes how I got here.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 08:41 PM
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I just don't see that as the case. The people I meet here seem far more moderate and unified in spite of being divided across left and right. I also don't think that people who support men's lib are even close to the center. Men's lib is a true believer in the left and is a part of what I'd consider a fairly radical perspective compared to the average person I meet on the street. I feel like the media gives a skewed perspective on what is happening politically. They report on a segment of the po…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 08:41 PM
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I regularly assert that feminists don't care about equality.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 08:27 PM
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Very true. I see the same thing here in the United States. If you call a domestic abuse hotline as a man, you get redirected to abuser hotlines and anger management. There's essentially no domestic violence shelters for men (I think we have 2 now, but they may have shut down at this point). I agree that social acceptance of misandry is a massive problem, but I also still lean towards free speech and think that the inequality via prohibition both legally and socially against the slightest whiff o…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 08:14 PM
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I posit that disliking modern feminsm is for the reasons we cite is actually a centrist position. The average middle of the road kind of person will agree that the gripes we have with feminsm are valid but then defend the movement calling that not true feminsm. Centrists dislike the things we hate about feminsm but support the movement because they don't understand that those parts they disagree with are the core of the movement. I legitimately can't comprehend how you can be pro men's rights an…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 08:08 PM
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I've seen the same kind of thing in the USA as well, and I feel for my fellow man in other nations dealing with such things. To me, the restrictions against misogyny paired with the acceptance, defense, and even praise of misandry is the problem. Banning or allowing both is the only just solution, and I lean towards allowing both because I consider freedom of speech, thought, and expression to be the most fundamental human right as that is what truly sets us apart as a species. I understand how …
/r/MensRights02/11/20 07:48 PM
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Then how does that apply to saying they might turn into a more moderate version of this sub. I assumed you meant more centrist rather than the definition of moderate you just gave. Under that definition, how is this sub in any way not moderate that would make it be possible to be more moderate than us?
/r/MensRights02/11/20 07:43 PM
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I agree entirely. I'm an egalitarian who regularly puts on an MRA hat because men's rights are near if not the most ignored and maligned. If she was willing to also say that defense misogyny can be a path to men's emancipation and a liberating experience, I'd actually go to bat for her because then she crossed the line to defending freedom of speech rather than just focusing on defending the kind of speech she likes, but we all know she'd blow a gasket if someone pulled a men kampf or a gender s…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 07:23 PM
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This may offend some people, but I do think everyone should have the right to dislike whoever they want for whatever reason. It might make you a piece of shit, but you can't legislate emotions. You should be allowed to hate men, women, blacks, whites, asians, cristiana, muslims, etc. You shouldn't be allowed to have legal discrimination against a group. You shouldn't be forgiven for attacking based on group membership. But, you absolutely should have the right to hold bigoted views and be a piec…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 06:56 PM
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I suspect that they're just trying to be more subtle about their bias as a way of getting more people to turn to their feminst perspective now that more and more people are starting to acknowledge men suffer, too. Also, when I saw the demographic study done on this sub about a year ago, the average user here was slightly left leaning, so I'd say it would be extremely hard for them to be more moderate than this sub. This sub gets branded as right wing because the world has lost its mind and think…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 06:24 PM
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I mean, eugenics is better than genocide but it's still full blown bat shit psychotic. It's like saying getting punched your hand cut off is better than getting your head cut off. It's true, but that doesn't mean getting your hand cut off is good or acceptable. It's almost like they use bat shit extreme perspectives to be able to claim an extremists view and then point at a more extremist view and claim to be a moderate. In fact, I suspect this is by design as a way to shift the overton window m…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 06:12 PM
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Please justify this with specifics rather than emotionally charged rhetoric. Trump's regime has reversed the sexist application of title IX against men that denied them due process. Trump has also banned critical theory from being taught to government employees. You can hate Trump all you want, but you kind of need to justify why he wouldn't do something that his first term proves is in the vein of things he's already done. Additionally, I'd like some concrete evidence of Trump being racist or b…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 06:05 PM
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The left was threatening to retaliate against the ACB nomination by packing the court and upping the supreme court to 13 people which would put them in the majority on the court. If he wins the presidency and the left wins both houses, he absolutely could do so and we've even been told how it would be accomplished.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 05:57 PM
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I'm pro choice leaning on the basis of bodily autonomy, but my votes tend to lean more towards pro life candidates. This isn't a protest or even directly related to men's rights. It's just that I vote for the overall candidate and the left seems to have gone off the deep end and hasn't given me many if any candidates worth voting for based on my views on a multitude of issues. It's amazing to me how hard it is to find a pro choice candidate who supports the first and second amendments, and isn't…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 05:49 PM
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I just did a quick thread scan and I'm not seeing that so far. Sorted by hot, the top 4 posts right now include a thread focused on how scared they are of the election with comments saying they're terrified of both Trump winning and that the right wing will riot and burn down cities if they lose. It also has a thread about why men's rights depends on feminsm that had the top comment "I love this." At best, I get the impression that they're trying to be more subtle about their focus on feminsm ov…
/r/MensRights02/11/20 05:41 PM
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No more or less than I respect men. I don't respect them for the fact that they are women. I respect them for being human beings.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 05:21 PM
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Those are already illegal in the United States under the credible call to action exception of the first amendment. As such, I see no reason to murky the water by creating a more nebulous term such as hate speech.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:09 AM
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Totally true, but then it comes down to a philosophical argument of when you believe human life actually begins. Those kind of debates usually reduce to assumed axioms that are virtually impossible to change through discussion.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:06 AM
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I mean, you may be right, but being a member of the MRM always feels like a hopeless battle to me, so I'm happy to keep advocating even if it is futile. I'm just the kind of person who is happier fighting a losing battle forever than giving up in the face of injustice.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 01:01 AM
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I'm just trying to let you know why you got the reaction you got. I'm not assuming to know your intent or reading too deep into it. You seemed to not understand why you got that reaction, and I was offering my take on it. Take it or leave it, I don't really care, I just know you'll get a warmer response if you don't go out of your way to say you respect women when no one asked.
/r/MensRights02/11/20 12:57 AM
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The point is that it comes across as virtue signaling. People feeling a need to say they respect women implies that they think disrespecting women on the basis of them being women is normal or even common. This sub tends to operate on the idea that people aren't assumed sexist until they start acting sexist. Asserting that you aren't a sexist without provocation begs all kinds of questions and just isn't a good look to many people.
/r/MensRights01/11/20 11:31 AM
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I wanna get a kilt. I've got long red hair and a beard, and I really doubt anyone would question it. That, and I think a proper kilt looks good.
/r/MensRights01/11/20 11:18 AM
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I can understand the mental gymnastics to a degree, and you have to dig deeper to really get to the core of the cognitive dissonance. In a feminist perspective, it's her body and her choice. To understand this, think of this parallel: If you hit a person with your car and they need a rapid blood transfusion to live, you cannot be compelled to give your blood to sustain their life even though the situation is from your doing. By this same logic, a woman cannot be compelled to sustain a baby's lif…
/r/MensRights01/11/20 10:45 AM
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This may be a bit of a hot take, but I'm pro hate speech. I'm not for it in that I think people should aspire to include more hate speech in their day to day life. I just feel that free speech shouldn't have a hate speech exclusion because it will never be fairly implemented. Hate speech rules will always be implemented to protect the people with power and attack those with less power. If we had hate speech laws in the 1800s, saying that black and white people are equal would have been classifie…
/r/MensRights01/11/20 09:54 AM
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I didn't mean women I meant the matriarchy. As most stay at home parents are women and the educational system is women dominated until college, we grow up in a matriarchy, and that's what I mean by kill all women. I can totally mirror any argument they make and have them get offended. I like playing that game because most will just get angry, but occasionally, someone's cognitive dissonance will break. The most important thing is to make the parallel as blatant as possible and make it clear to a…
/r/MensRights01/11/20 09:48 AM
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And make sure to get the best documentation you can of all the data. Doing a flip side test works best for advocacy if you make it as parallel as possible and have documentation of the entire process. The more blatant a mirror it is, the harder it is to justify a double standard without going into mental gymnastics that are obvious to the average person, and when average people see that, it makes them understand that there is a double standard.
/r/MensRights01/11/20 09:43 AM
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For context, do you have a room to yourself, or is it a shared room? I'm not going to condemn you either way, but the living arrangements matter for what my opinion on how fucked up this is. To me, it sounds like you had an excessive level of paranoia akin to when I beat my meat as a teen in my parents house. When I had my own place, I'd be shamelessly butt naked in my computer chair visible from my door (if it was open, which it wasn't) watching my porn. It's because I was comfortable enjoying …
/r/MensRights01/11/20 09:39 AM
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Drag isn't the same as cross dressing, and women wearing pants isn't the same as cross dressing. Drag is a distinct art style based upon exaggerated characteristics. Men in drag use contouring as well as padding to have exaggerated features that border on parody, and that's fine by me. Cross dressing as a woman is more than just pants, though that wasn't the case in the past. The gender norms on women's clothing have reduced, but there are still places a woman can cross dress. For example, slack…
/r/MensRights01/11/20 09:28 AM
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I'm confused by this post, so I want to engage rather than just write you off before I give you a chance to explain. Why do they need support? The SJW types don't attack them. The anti SJWs don't care because they're just doing their own thing and anti SJWs tend to care about the power and control dynamics SJWs abuse. Average people don't give a fuck either. What is the support that cis people who date trans people need? The only support I could see them needing is social support that anyone in …
/r/MensRights01/11/20 09:19 AM
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I honestly don't mind the feminism in the show at all. This is mainly because, when I watched the show, I didn't get the impression that anyone was a hero or even a good person. They were all deeply broken with dysfunctional coping mechanisms. Part of Diane's dysfunctional coping mechanism was social withdrawal and hatred of society often portrayed through her feminism. It also made complete sense to me that nearly all the characters were liberal because it was set in Hollywoo. I have no issue w…
/r/MensRights28/10/20 01:07 AM
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Totally fair, I didn't think you would. I just know this sub gets a lot of trolls and post history miners, so I try to be proactive against straw men so my posts can't be used to slander the sub.
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:54 PM
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God that sub is a shit hole. The sub claims to be for unpopular opinions, but any time I see an opinion that is legitimately unpopular in society, the post quickly gets removed by moderators. Saying that women on social media objectify themselves for the dopamine hit they get from likes/shares/comments/upvotes is an unpopular opinion because it focuses on women's responsibility for creating a mass of "objectification" content rather than blaming men for consuming it. I personally think objectifi…
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:15 PM
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I can't recall any studies that showed women get harassed more than men online on a per capita basis. The only studies I ever saw that showed more harassing posts and comments towards women didn't correct for demographics. They all had a skew in that they had significantly more women in the sample group and still only showed barely more abuse towards women than men. Not saying that there aren't studies that showed women get more abuse and we're accurately analyzed, but I've yet to see one with a…
/r/MensRights27/10/20 04:03 PM
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If someone actually states that it's ok to be afraid of men but not black people because one is statistically reasonable and the other is based in white supremacy, it's fun to ask them if you can be afraid of black men for being men or you can't be afraid of them because they're black and that would be racist. That usually kicks their cognitive dissonance into high gear and can be interesting to watch them squirm. This is best done with witnesses because the person making the statement is probab…
/r/MensRights27/10/20 03:56 PM
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Came here to say just this. I like the progress of acknowledging fathers more, but that's not a baby, that's a hell beast.
/r/MensRights26/10/20 07:24 AM
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but not all women. There are plenty of women in the sub and larger movement that are entirely rational, focused and supportive. Most of the people detailing are posting in bad faith and aren't regulars here, and that applies to both the men and women here.
/r/MensRights24/10/20 08:31 PM
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I wish I could see it as progress but the language shift from equality for men and women to assuring that women have equal access implies that they think that equality is achieved by only focusing on women which is business as normal.
/r/MensRights24/10/20 08:28 PM
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Nah, that's bush league in terms of me being out there and open about my fucked up life. I'm getting by reasonably, especially now that it's 2020 and I'm used to my life being a cluster fuck. If you want any heavier details, I'm an open book. This kind of stuff matters to me because most people suffer in silence, so I'm an open book as a way to rebel and assert my narrative where others can't. The whole experience with both were extreme and fucked up, but to me they're just history.
/r/MensRights17/10/20 06:24 AM
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As an individual who has been both raped and falsely accused of rape, I'd say the false accusation was worse. This may not be true for everyone, but it was for me. The rape was bad, I felt like my body betrayed me and there was a lot of trauma. The false accusation, though, that one stuck with me in a special way. To this day, I'm still worried about false accusations because it was a special kind of isolation that is hard to explain. The accusation itself was far less bad than being raped, but …
/r/MensRights16/10/20 03:07 AM
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I mean... Yeah. It's just an attack leveled by extremists trying to defend extremists views that strip men of their individuality and humanity.
/r/MensRights16/10/20 03:03 AM
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I think it's a lot of MRAs' story. It fits mine extremely well outside of a few additional details in mine including a verifiably false accusation against me people listened and believed in spite of time stamped photographic evidence that I was at a different party than the one I was accused of doing something at.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates29/09/20 07:26 PM
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Here's how I see it. The conversation is often done in bad faith. When it comes to FGM, people act as if only the most extreme forms exist. Things like removal of the clitoris, labia, and sewing the vagina smaller. It ignores that most studies reporting FGM consider piercings, adult elective cosmetic surgery, and ceremonial nicks to be FGM in their numbers while acting as if all the numbers reported are extreme forms of FGM. When it comes to MGM, people talk about routine male circumcision in th…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/20 05:27 PM
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When people pull the rape culture argument at me, I agree aggressively and talk about how it applies to men. All of the arguments they make for rape culture apply to men even stronger than they do to women. Basically without failure, they will dismiss men being raped and try to refocus the conversation on women. When they do this, I'll point out them distracting from men getting raped is a part of rape culture. They then accuse me of distracting from women for bringing up men, and I will point o…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates28/09/20 05:09 PM
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I understand where you are coming from and I'll look into her tomorrow because I need sleep, but you need to understand reading the room. The no true feminst fallacy plagues the MRM. Christina Hoff Summers fits the true feminst paradigm of someone who fits the definition of advocating for equality between the genders, and I struggle to find a feminist who supports her or even doesn't call her a misogynist. If the vast majority of feminists and virtually unanimously the feminists in positions of …
/r/MensRights27/09/20 11:30 AM
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0.000063131313131313 miles
/r/MensRights14/09/20 05:19 PM
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Explain how you see it as inaccurate. Dismissing something without evidence or even a logical process doesn't exactly make for an actual point or room for discussion.
/r/MensRights05/09/20 04:52 AM
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I like going with ovaryacting as my counter word.
/r/MensRights04/09/20 09:37 PM
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How do you feel that women are on a more equal footing post me too? If anything, I saw it as an acceleration of the imbalance of power dynamics in sexuality. Men already held less credibility in sexual violence cases compared to women, both as the accused and as the accuser. How did me too make things more even?
/r/MensRights30/08/20 05:15 PM
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Patriarchy theory is one of the most sexist and infantilizing views of women. Black people were literally slaves without human rights, and they rose up after slavery was abolished in less than a couple hundred years while being a small percentage of the population. To believe that women have been oppressed and abused through all history and have never risen up to gain rights in spite of being the majority of the world is to believe that women are truly inferior to men.
/r/MensRights28/08/20 11:17 PM
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Modern feminsm is a movement based on Marxist theory of power dynamics applied to identity groups using critical theory and authoritarian bullying to argue in bad faith as to never have to address the flaws in their arguments. Intersectionality, now the norm within feminsm is a shell game in which they constantly move the goalposts as a way of defining the biggest victim as the person who agrees with the dogma. I have a lot of gripes with feminsm, but the weaponization of empathy and good will i…
/r/MensRights26/08/20 06:23 PM
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At this point, I feel like the no true scottsman fallacy should be updated to more modern relevance and called the no true feminists fallacy. There is no such thing as true liberal feminsm because feminsm uses so many motte and bailey attacks that even feminists don't know what they believe or what their words mean. They just redefine them based on their current emotional state and the reaction of their audience to be right and/or superior. I mean, they've been on a rampage against gendered lang…
/r/MensRights26/08/20 04:13 PM
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This is what I came here to say. To me, making the claim that the women are wonderful effect is rooted in misogyny is more or less enforcing the women are wonderful effect and gynocentricsm. The idea that people favor women over men because people hate women is extremely illogical. Sure, you may draw more attention in a gyoncentric society with such phrasing, bit you're only serving to reinforce the same bias you're attacking by presenting women as superior in the effort to attack the societal b…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/08/20 09:28 AM
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It's a line in the sand saying that it's wrong to do so unless done to your first. It doesn't men you're in the right if you do it back. That's why I say it's usually better to leave the situation than to retaliate, if possible. I think rules that define what is acceptable are far more likely to cause problems than rules saying what is unacceptable because the former can be used as a justification for bad action and the latter can only be used as a point of defense that can be attacked on other …
/r/MensRights22/08/20 04:15 PM
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You may be right, but I'm happy to fight a battle where the risk is just wasted energy in pursuit of a cause I care about. I'm of the opinion that most people who speak have chosen a side and are extremely unlikely to change their stance, but the people who lurk and listen are far more likely to be undecided. Honestly, advocating for men always feels like a lost cause. There are plenty of evolutionary reasons that males are the disposable sex in the vast majority of species. That's why I never s…
/r/MensRights22/08/20 07:20 AM
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If that's the case, I'm fine with that. I'm not going to assume malice. They may be misinformed or just angry. I'm happy to waste my time working on expressing my MRA points in a civil way with someone who just wants to win if that's what this is. I'm an individualist and collective guilt is a major issue I have with feminism so I won't do it to others. I'll assume ignorance, stupidity, or difference of opinion before malice is proven and be happy to waste my time to not act in a way I hate from…
/r/MensRights22/08/20 06:32 AM
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I'm going to do my best to address the questions you've asked, without skipping any parts. If I do miss something, just highlight it again. Sure thing. I'm going to star chop responding as to not miss anything. This isn't the agro own the nub chop, it's merely to make sure I don't sperg out (officially diagnosed autist here) and miss anything. It helps me stay on point. Why is it a problem that I'm uncomfortable with the state of feminism in modern society? I think it's more the people in this s…
/r/MensRights22/08/20 06:16 AM
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I agree entirely. It would be underhanded to ask for a calm a discussion with you and then attack you for things said before the agreement was struck. I can agree that I'd rather the sub spend more energy on men's issues than on attacking feminism, but with the current state of the political landscape and many feminist pushed laws and policies, such as the Duluth model of domestic violence are extremely discriminatory against men, it is hard to advocate for men's rights without addressing femini…
/r/MensRights22/08/20 01:53 AM
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I'm off work in about an hour, would you be willing to talk about the rights and social biased facing men that I advocate for? Yeah, I'm not happy with feminism, but that has nothing to do with women or women's rights. I disapprove of their rhetoric and dismissal of us trying to fix men's issues as you've just done. If feminism would leave me alone to advocate for men, I'd have far less issues with the movement.
/r/MensRights21/08/20 11:43 PM
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That's also a selection bias. I have friends who are feminists, and virtually all of them thinks MRAs are the propaganda stereotype and this place is about hating women or at the very least dismissing their problems. The general press outside of explicitly MRA friendly sources is that we're a problem.
/r/MensRights21/08/20 11:41 PM
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My personal rule is no one should ever cross any aggression line unless another person does first. Even then, it's better to leave the situation than to retaliate in most situations. Don't hit unless it is hitting back. Don't insult unless it is insulting back. Don't lie unless lied to. It's always better to not, but when it's done in return it's possible to not be in the wrong.
/r/MensRights21/08/20 11:37 PM
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I hear what you're saying, and I've said the same kind of thing in the past. That being said, just because men are oppressed in those nations doesn't mean women aren't. Some places are very egalitarian in that they oppress everyone. I will say that India stands as an example where I feel in many cases that women are far less oppressed than men, but there are still some things that are quite oppressive towards women when it comes to cultural traditions that haven't fully faded. I've never cared f…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/08/20 08:35 AM
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People also love to ignore that fact that all the reasons we give for MGM are the exact same arguments we reject when applied to FGM. Cultures that practice MGM do so for reduced STD transmission, cleanliness, aesthetics, sexual dampening, and/or religious reasons. These are all the reasons used to justify MGM around the globe. It's fucked up to me that the reasons are invalid when applied to women but reasonable and logical when applied to men.
/r/MensRights19/07/20 09:31 PM
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They say that all the time as their defense, but it's simply untrue. They make posts about incels, PUA, etc. At the end of the day, I have a hard time seeing them as not a hate sub. Honestly, I'd rather them just allow hate subs and go back to the wild west free speech days rather than completing the banning of all hate subs.
/r/MensRights17/07/20 07:10 PM
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He probably was taking the picture at its word where it says was consensual. It's possible for someone to be wrong on the facts and not be lying. Lying requires you to know you're speaking untruth. Speaking falsely when you think you're right is just ignorance.
/r/MensRights17/07/20 07:03 PM
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I do appreciate that some many of them speak openly about how they are now. It kind of reminds me of Inglorious Bastards with the speech about going home and taking off the uniform and how he likes his Nazis identifiable. I like it when bigots speak openly because I don't waste time building a bind with someone I won't like once the truth comes out. It's also why I'm so against censorship and cancel culture. It makes bad people stay quiet, and I'd rather know up front.
/r/MensRights11/07/20 09:19 PM
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Yeah, people come in here regularly with that attitude because of the reputation we get from people who have never actually been here demonizing us. You'd be shocked how well the threads do when someone comes here speaking candidly and in good faith. The sub has a light touch moderation approach and some of the content here, most people here disagree with. It's mostly just the free speech attitude of having a space where men can speak about their issues and work for resolution of issues that res…
/r/MensRights11/07/20 08:49 AM
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God, the comments are the worst part of that. I almost accidentally brigaded them in the heat of the moment before I realized I got there from here. So many people saying this isn't feminism and that feminism is the cure for this shit.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 10:46 PM
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Oh yeah, I'd be a lot more hurt if I talked and trusted and got betrayed. At the same time, I'd be mad at me if I didn't talk, assumed the best, and got screwed over. I'd rather be mad at someone else than myself. At least I can cut them out of my day to day life, but I'm stuck with me for the rest of my life. I know I've got no legal power in this, but I had to decide if I wanted to trust in spite of that or opt out. I'm a risk taker, and I decided to take the risk of powerlessness. I take thin…
/r/MensRights09/07/20 06:36 PM
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I mean, that's true, but it's a hell of a lot better than not talking. Not having that talk leaves open the possibility that they're fully pro life and you'd know if you asked. Anyone can lie or change their mind, but that doesn't make communication meaningless. Relationships are risky and based on trust. All you can do is trust on the small things and slowly work to bigger things and hope you aren't being played. Sure, try to protect yourself, but you can never truly be certain.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 06:08 PM
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Nah, I plan on marrying her. We both want kids, we just didn't want the health consequences of having a kid at that time. I've always thought men should have the option for financial abortion. Me getting stuck in the worst case with her wouldn't change any of my opinions outside of my opinion of her as a person. Just because I don't think getting an abortion makes a woman a whore has nothing to do with if I think the laws are fair and equitable.
/r/MensRights09/07/20 03:49 AM
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I disagree harshly. My fiancee was on psychological medications with extreme risk of birth defects. While she was on it and working through the issues, she needed to be on it. We had been together for over a decade at that point and took birth control seriously. We talked and decided that if she got pregnant, abortion was the right option. I don't see anything even remotely whorish about that mature discussion between two committed adults. She never got pregnant, so it wasn't an issue, but in th…
/r/MensRights09/07/20 12:11 AM
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It relates to social issues that men face. While this sub is focused more on legal rights, societal double standards are fair game. If a man says something true and it hurts her feelings (I don't find you attractive because of how much weight you've gained, for example) he's an insensitive prick, but if a woman says something that hurts a man's feelings, he's too sensitive and needs to man up.
/r/MensRights08/07/20 08:44 PM
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Thing is, I'm fairly sure that most men find rape worse than cannibalism in that most men could think of a situation where cannibalism is justified but none where rape is. For example, if a plane crashed on a mountain and the survivors resorted to eating the dead, we'd say they were justified because survival instinct is a hell of a drug, but there is literally no situation where they think "so I had to rape them" is a reasonable line of thought.
/r/MensRights08/07/20 08:35 PM
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Absolutely. I especially agree with the part of seeking mental health care. I legitimately don't care if they had a dream where they got raped and felt traumatized, they shouldn't be mocked for seeking mental health care for it. People doing the mocking would typically do something like call them sensitive, neurotic, or delusional. In my opinion those are all reasons someone SHOULD get mental health care.
/r/MensRights08/07/20 05:57 AM
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And as such, you should realize that branding is using a wikipedia article is an unjust and unrelated generalizations. This sub is here. You can look and find evidence within the group you are accusing and draw your own conclusions and have a productive discussion. Your post got deleted here, but if you wanted to have a productive discussion, you could lurk in the sub and raise concerns about certain behavior in a polite fashion and might even find agreement and grow to understand the light touc…
/r/MensRights08/07/20 12:06 AM
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While I think you're trying to express a good concept, I think what you said (due to phrasing) is wrong. It is only up the the courts to decide if someone was raped. It's up to the person who is aggrieved to decide if they want to pursue charges of not. It's not up to the public if people think someone should pursue charges or not. That's why I spend a lot of effort advocating for legal reform to try to get the laws and their enforcement to an egalitarian state because one the laws are treated i…
/r/MensRights07/07/20 08:10 PM
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I kinda feel that way in general. Reversal is a great way to show double standards. My only issue is that it should be viewed in a historical context rather than treated as if things are that way now or the reversal is how it should be now. That all said, I highly suspect that the target audience (preaching to the feminst choir) will take it in the way I dislike.
/r/MensRights07/07/20 07:47 PM
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A lack of sex isn't at the core of what an incel is. I've talked to incels in Nevada and asked why they don't just get a prostitute. They told me that it's not really about the sex. It's about feeling intimacy and acceptance. It's about feeling someone, somewhere feels that their life has value. They just don't want to be lonely any more and being able to get a sexual partner is seen as the ultimate culmination of all the things they want. It really is pretty amazing the way many incels will ope…
/r/MensRights07/07/20 07:29 PM
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Citation needed. Don't just come in here making blanket accusations without citing what you're referring to. Do you realize that it's possible to advocate for human rights without feeling sorry for yourself? Do you realize that women post here, too? Do you realize many of us are in fulfilling relationships? Do you not realize that the demonization and isolation of incels is a big part of what leads to their anger and psychological distinction? I'm happy to engage in respectful discussion with an…
/r/MensRights07/07/20 07:25 PM
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I don't know how big it would have to be to hurt The Sun, but any judgement against them will help men's rights as it will be an example of a high profile case that can be cited to average people show that slander and libel against false accusations are reasonable. Anything that gives us ammunition to show that we aren't wrong in the damage done to men by such situations will help us have more evidence in our arguments. Hell, him losing could even advance the cause more, as much as I want him to…
/r/MensRights07/07/20 07:16 PM
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I would because of child developmental psychology. The headmaster of the school was a child developmental psychologist who firmly believed that both male and female mentorship are essential to healthy psychological development. Science doesn't have any difference if a man or a woman does the math/experiments. Don't get me wrong, I'm not for gender quotas because meritocracy is the best solution for quality education. I just think we need to resolve the societal and legal issues that discourage m…
/r/MensRights06/07/20 08:30 PM
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I mean, I get you. I'm pro choice but anti abortion. I know it's an odd stance to take, but I believe abortion is a bodily autonomy right and viewing abortion as murder is a bit hyperbolic. Medically speaking, no one has a right to your body. Refusing to let someone use your body to sustain their life isn't murder. That's why I'm pro choice. At the same time, if a woman aborted my child I want, I'd be furious at them, never talk to them again and make my disdain for them clear to everyone unless…
/r/MensRights06/07/20 08:20 PM
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Yet another person who believes that women have reproductive rights and men have reproductive responsibilities. Your argument is no less sexist than people saying women get pregnant men impregnate so women should bare all the responsibility for contraception. With the legal system set up how it is, every man should take control of making sure contraception is used and effective to protect himself, but it shouldn't all be on the man. Women just have the luxury of not caring as much because the go…
/r/MensRights06/07/20 06:19 PM
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Let's say we went with your idea and just banned abortion. Let's take it a step farther and say that making them illegal stopped 100% of abortions. I don't agree with this idea, but I'll accept it as a core premise as to not lose the core thrust of the discussion by getting bogged down in an abortion discussion. Ok, so now abortion doesn't exist. Women can still choose to adopt out their child once pregnant. They can also abandon their child at a police station, fire department, or hospital for …
/r/MensRights06/07/20 06:11 PM
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I agree with everything except for your core premise that the statements are the same. I worked as a teacher in a gifted enrichment program. I was a favorite of many students. I had far less discipline issues in my class than the other teachers. I credit this to using the same tactic as a male teacher I had. If I had an unruly bunch of students, I gave them 5 minutes at the stat of class to clown and socialize while I reviewed my plans for the days lessons and notes on my students. I also encour…
/r/MensRights06/07/20 05:47 PM
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I've long held the belief that the hitting women is unacceptable under any circumstances is what causes lesbian relationships to have the highest rate of domestic violence. These women grow up knowing they can be abusive of even violent without physical retaliation, and they bring that into their relationship. When both partners have that mentality, it causes a lot of domestic violence. Also, you weren't assaulted. That was at the very least assault with a deadly weapon, but more realistically, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates05/07/20 09:44 PM
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I don't think people in the first world are oppressed. We all have issues, but they don't reach the level of oppression. I also dislike the modern usage of the term oppression because it's framed in the Marxist framework of you're the oppressor or the oppressed. As such, people look for reasons they're oppressed as to not be an oppressor. This leads to victimhood being a form of social currency, and that isn't making things better. If I had to pick men or women as oppressed, I'd pick men though.…
/r/MensRights05/07/20 06:10 PM
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The insane part of this to me is how he even acts like this is special let alone gender tied. I also suspect that he wasn't really following the rules right and didn't make them run handle animal checks and such to make it balanced with gameplay. Don't get me wrong, I've had players do shit like that constantly. It's part of the fun of DnD. The thing is, if it was well done, the story would have had much more impact. There would have been complications the players adapted around. There would hav…
/r/MensRights05/07/20 05:53 PM
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Don't paint with such a broad brush. I'm pro choice because I believe bodily autonomy is a fundamental human right and do not believe anyone has a right to your body, even to save their life, even if you're at fault for their life being at risk. I don't like abortion. Ideally, it would never happen, but I don't think it being illegal is the correct solution being that I can't see a prohibition against bodily autonomy as anything other than infringing upon fundamental human rights.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 10:22 AM
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Nah, we had the bad rep from the start. Him and Warren Farrel are bros, and seeing the talk about it is really interesting. Essentially, Warren was always acting the way people say we should act and he got ignored by most media. Paul took the approach of being offensive so as to be not ignored but made solid points interspersed with the quotes that got media to put people there. His offensiveness have a target to bash in the mainstream, but we were already bashed for expressing our points, and t…
/r/MensRights04/07/20 10:17 AM
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I'm guessing his post is self referential. It's one of, if not the only troll post I've seen in this thread. Also, your user name gave me lulz. It reminded me of this really bad Harry Potter fan fic where Hermione got pregnant and had a wizard abortion. The spell used was fetus deletus. So cringe, but I still lul at it.
/r/MensRights04/07/20 10:10 AM
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That's kind of my point, though. Systems this large using user generated content probably should be a platform rather than a publisher because of such problems and bias in manual reviewing. Algorithms are nice for general platform moderation where you're removing content that tends to be more cut and dry around legality, but in a situation where you are attempting to use them on nebulous concepts like social acceptability, they're just bad and cause chaos. I just can't think of a single example …
/r/MensRights02/07/20 10:32 PM
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This. Any advice I gave should be followed after you do this.
/r/MensRights02/07/20 09:29 PM
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I want to lead off with the fact that we're here for you during your struggles. That has to fucking suck, and I know boys and men often get swept under the rug. If you are having a hard time and just need to get out your feels, you can DM me any time. My reddit usage can be erratic over the course of the day, but if I see it, I'll respond and be there for you. I'm sure plenty of other people here feel the same and might also be able to direct you to other resources. Sadly, in the UK, you don't g…
/r/MensRights02/07/20 09:28 PM
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Bad bot. Words have meanings. I'm literally said those people are shit. I just think it's worthwhile to to have words that differentiate severity of the depravity and don't treat a 16 year old being taken advantage of with a 5 year old being taken advantage of.
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:47 PM
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I mean, I agree. A less shitty article is still progress. It just doesn't feel as good when you have to deal with the bad that's still there.
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:29 PM
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I'll agree that most sexual assault charges are leveled at men. That's just statistical fact. The problems come when you see almost every day that women sexually assaulting men is a joke. It's also a problem that men are treated as if we're overreacting if we speak up or report leading to massive underreporting by men as compared to women. A woman will call sexual assault if a man slaps her ass at a night club. People will call him a pig and scorn him. On the other hand, if a woman comes up to a…
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:28 PM
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Let me start by saying that I 100% condemn her actions before anyone questions otherwise. She is filth who spent decades grooming, abusing, and trafficking minors. That said, I was molested as a child, and I'm not a fan of how people shout pedophile when the person is on the border between a hebephile and an ephebophile. It's still not acceptable and extremely damaging to the victims, but it is different that a pedophile that targets children 10 and under. While unacceptable in every way, a high…
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:18 PM
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Epstein was way too obvious, and they managed to keep that from blowing up in their face even though everyone knows it's bullshit. Why would the worry how obvious it is when they got caught and suffered no consequences last time?
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:09 PM
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Hooray for feminst victim blaming. She couldn't consent when it started because she was drunk. He could consent in spite of being under the age of consent and power dynamics (which feminists love to shout all the time) It doesn't matter that the law is very unclear on how drunk is too drunk to consent and explicit on how old to consent, he was in the wrong, too. Like, holy shit. One of them even went as far as to say that he should have known better than allow himself to continue to be touched l…
/r/MensRights02/07/20 08:05 PM
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I think that's what makes this such a hard to pin down concept. Places like reddit, facebook, twitter, etc act like as news outlet and as the public forum, and I feel that combination is bad for discourse because it creates echo chambers, and I suspect it's because people get their editorialized news here and treat this as their speech platform, too. I suspect that is at least a part at why social media platforms create such rigid bubbles so quickly. I think they should either be curated and mod…
/r/MensRights01/07/20 08:45 AM
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sorry for the delays in response. I'm on the phone a lot as I may have covid-19 and am dealing with talking to my job about this. Everything takes forever when a corporation gets lawyers involved. They're handling it well, but the bureaucracy is a pain. I understand what you are saying, and it's a fair question. While there may be other omni-forums out there, reddit stands out as the only omni-forum that is considered a legitimate source for news stories. It is just treated differently in terms …
/r/MensRights01/07/20 12:40 AM
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I think you are using hyperbole far too much here. Reddit are in no way sense or form a monopoly, and you can change to the thousands others the second you want to. People just don’t want to change. Under antitrust laws, it's extremely possible that Reddit would be deemed to be engaging in monopolistic abuse. I understand that there are Reddit alternatives, but the lack of user base makes it so that there isn't actually a viable alternative. There are alternatives that could become viable, but n…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 05:48 PM
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Are your stance that Reddit should just be a free for all letting people do whatever they want to consequence free? Sort of. I feel that reddit and other social media companies should be treated as a platform more like email or phone lines. They should be only moderated by admins for illegal content or content that breaks explicit rules that are clear, transparent, and evenly enforced. Within specific subs, the community should be able to moderate themselves however they want as long as the rule…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 04:15 PM
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Then they need charges pressed against them for the content published against them because they've had a massive problem with literal child pornography. If a news outlet published child porn. For even an hour, someone would be going to jail and the outlet would face massive fines. That's why it's unreasonable to treat reddit as a publisher rather than a platform, but if that's the way people want to go, I'd be happy to watch reddit die. There's just no way for them to maintain reddit as a publis…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 03:20 PM
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There's the rub. A platform is supposed to follow the concept of free speech in return for protection for the consequences of the speech of people using it. Think of this like a phone company or email service. A publisher, on the other hand can editorialize and bias content and as such is not protected from lawsuits over speech it publishes as it is involved in curation and the like. Reddit can't claim to be a platform and act like a publisher. That shit is ruining discourse and causing ever inc…
/r/MensRights30/06/20 07:41 AM
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I mean, I've heard it over and over again that the Donald needed to be banned, but I also hear that about us, and I never got good evidence from someone asserting it. I've also never really spent time on it, so I'm ignorant to what it was like in the day to day. That being said, the accusations I've heard are no more awful than what I see regularly on subs that reddit doesn't seem to have any issues with. To me, it's a philosophical question about what Reddit is. Does reddit want to act as a pub…
/r/MensRights28/06/20 05:29 PM
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One of my favorite one liner from a comedian is: Women call women who sleep with a lot of people sluts. Men just call them.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 10:01 PM
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Men aren't equally likely to be a victim of violent crime. We're significantly more likely to be victims of violent crime. I don't remember the exact numbers, but I want to say that it's something closer to 80% men 20% women.
/r/MensRights27/06/20 08:53 PM
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That's the narrative pushed in the news. We treat the FGM as if it's always the worst of the worse and MGM like it's always the least bad. In FGM numbers, we lump together "ritualistic nicks" with removal of labia or removal of the clitoris. We even treat voluntary adult labioplasty as FGM. Hell, some places chart genital piercings as FGM. People also are ignorant to the more extreme forms of MGM and act like all of it is first world routine circumcision with no complications. The facts about ci…
/r/MensRights26/06/20 06:10 PM
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Or, you know, we could get mad at language dehumanizing people, even if it doesn't directly apply to me. To make the argument to not get mad at things not directly targeting you is telling people to not have empathy, and that's not really a good look. It's one thing to SJW out and get mad on people's behalf without asking about their feelings on it, but it's a different thing when someone is actively dehumanizing people. This is even more the case when it's something like calling a specific grou…
/r/MensRights15/06/20 04:52 PM
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Not really sure why you were at 0 karma when your comment basically was proof that men have a view of attractiveness of women based upon their emotional state rather than simple physical reality. People want to act like men treat attractiveness as something you can see at a glance, but the reality is based upon personal and emotional connection men see the good parts or the bad parts of appearance because we tend to be very visual so we actually see women as visually different based on our feeli…
/r/MensRights14/06/20 07:45 AM
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I mean, if that's your kink, I'm not gonna harsh your yum.
/r/MensRights14/06/20 07:42 AM
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I'm familiar with his works, and that one is amazing in terms of the concepts expressed, if that's the one I think I remember. As far as my reaction goes, I can get some blowing off steam and posting satirically. I'm just extremely cautious about making sure I don't give them any ammunition so that when people who hear about us from them brigade here, they don't find what they were looking for. It seems to make people take our opinions more seriously.
/r/MensRights12/06/20 08:42 PM
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At least this downvote was from a man because this is some conspiracy theory shit and even if it was accurate, it doesn't really give any form of plan or explanation for the problem outside of blaming men.
/r/MensRights12/06/20 07:13 AM
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Is the troll you?
/r/MensRights12/06/20 07:11 AM
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I can say that this hit me kinda hard. My body looks a hell of a lot like that except my pecs are a bit less defined than his and my abs are a bit more defined. I've struggled with body image issue most of my life between being lanky as fuck as a kid and then having medicine wreck my metabolism pushing me to over twice my ideal body weight. I'm now within 10 pounds of ideal body weight and most likely am lower than ideal body fat, and I still struggle with feeling like the fat guy in spite of th…
/r/MensRights11/06/20 06:14 PM
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Honestly, it is quite possible to make an educated guess about the gender of the poster based on typing style. They've tested it with computer algorithms and found high levels of accuracy in the guesses because men and women tend to have different conversational style and linguistic choices. That being said, the vast majority of people trying to do that online are just going with their bias and declaring the person a man or a woman to fit their personal narrative.
/r/MensRights25/05/20 06:37 PM
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Intersex, aka hermaphrodite is not the same as transgender. Additionally, even people who are intersex basically always produce only one sexual gamete, even if it's not viable, so are generally considered one sex or the other in terms of scientific classification.
/r/MensRights16/05/20 05:52 PM
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To me, he needs to get help for his alcoholism and depression regardless of circumstances. After that, I can fully agree that as he has had cases of DUI with the children in the car that it would be unsafe to give leave the kids with him alone until he has gotten help for his alcoholism as his behavior has shown him to allow his addiction to risk his childrens' safety. That being said, he should have at least some form of visitation or arrangement to spend time with his kids even before he compl…
/r/MensRights13/05/20 05:53 PM
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I mean, who hasn't sorted this sub by controversial for a good time before?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/05/20 01:54 AM
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I don't hate vegans for being vegan. I hate vegans who won't stop talking about veganism to me and insulting me for not being one. It seems like they bring it up constantly. That reminds me of a joke I like: What's the hardest part of being a vegan feminist who does CrossFit? Figuring out which one to shoehorn into the conversation first.
/r/MensRights09/05/20 03:47 PM
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I see no issue with them being offered. The place I do take issue is when people act like not offering them is discrimination. I recently got into a discussion about tampon machines in men's rooms for trans men. My opinion was that seems like far too fringe an accommodation to make. Per capita, there are less trans women than there are men who are incontinent, and we don't argue that we should have a depends dispenser in the men's room. Also, I understand shit happens sometimes and a person may …
/r/MensRights09/05/20 03:31 PM
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I mean, I get money may be tight. I'm not saying fuck that, shit shouldn't exist. I just don't get why people wouldn't be prepared every day. It took me until almost 20 to outgrow infantile asthma. I only needed my inhaler probably once a month or so by high school, but I still carry one 365 days a year at 35 for just in case. I just don't get why people wouldn't be prepared for situations like a period on the same way. To me, it's just being responsible and prepared for the worst case. If you g…
/r/MensRights09/05/20 07:49 AM
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I've never gotten the tampons argument. If I needed them, I'd have a few in my bag at all times, just to be safe. Worst case, I'm dedicating a few square inches of my pack to something I don't need that may help someone else. I just don't get why a woman wouldn't always keep a couple in her purse/backpack/car for just in case. Call it cold, but I feel it's infantilizing to not expect women to be prepared to deal with menstration by adulthood.
/r/MensRights09/05/20 07:33 AM
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I'm on the same page as you. Bodily autonomy is a right. We can prevent children from making decisions about their body that has permanent repercussions to protect them, but a sane adult can choose to do what they want to their body. I view this as a broad right. I don't like hard drugs, but I think people should have the right to use them. They just don't have the right to commit crimes related to their drugs. Adults have the right to refuse medical treatment and die. I'd even go as far to say …
/r/MensRights08/05/20 07:51 AM
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I'd assume it is a sort of Poe's law. I get the impression they're acting in the way they believe men act towards women for a form of catharsis. Don't assume me saying this means I don't find it disgusting. It's gross they act like that and that they think men are like that. It's just shitty people on the internet not worth the energy or effort unless you somehow derive enjoyment from such interactions. While some people exist who actually are like that, they're rare among even the most radical …
/r/MensRights06/05/20 08:15 PM
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I hear this argument constantly, but it's being treated as a prescriptivist definition in your argument. If I am generous and accept your definition, I could agree with you that I have no issues with feminism. The thing is, even if I gave you that, then the leaders of the feminist movement in academia and organizations are not feminists. The feminist organization bills passed in the legislature are not feminist. Essentially, feminists are extremely rare under your definition to the point that fe…
/r/MensRights06/05/20 07:45 PM
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It is. When I was raped (am dude) I had the strongest orgasms of my life, and it still fucks with me decades later. For years, I was borderline incapable of having an actual orgasm rather than simply ejaculating because of how much it twisted my head.
/r/MensRights06/05/20 07:20 PM
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In porn, BBC means big black cock... Not sure what BBC means elsewhere, but I know that whenever something pops up with BBC, I'm not a fan of it. I get the impression BBC the media company is short for Big Beta Cucks...
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:10 PM
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I don't take issue with what she said. I assume she did what many people do and when doing an empathy based thought experiment used her own gender as the gender of the hypothetical person. Even if she is having a bit of a bias going on there, I still support the core message of it that celebrities saying we're all in this together from their giant mansions are really missing how bad this is for people who were already in shitty situations before Corona.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 05:02 PM
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I'm getting sarcasm vibes there. Pretty sure dude is just mocking people who think she's a good thing for dumb reasons.
/r/MensRights27/04/20 04:52 PM
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The actual number is women make 80% of consumer purchasing decisions and are more likely to make the larger decisions meaning it's probably in the range of for every $1 a man spends a woman spends 4$-5$
/r/MensRights27/04/20 04:44 PM
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I mean, when I DM, if no one expressed any issue, I'd move on my day and assume everyone was fine with it and there wasn't a secret victim. If a player expressed discontent, I'd let the other player know and to not do it towards that players character. Not a warning or a discipline action, just expressing a player's line. If the person continues to break the line or create new lines that make the game dramatic, I tell them it's a problem and to tone it down. If we can't come to terms, they aren'…
/r/MensRights26/04/20 06:12 AM
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The thing is, in reading the thread, I never read the OP saying she expressed that she was uncomfortable just that he felt everyone was uncomfortable. I just didn't see it said that she expressed discomfort. To me, it sounds like he assumed her discomfort and acted to defend her honor.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 04:21 AM
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Fictional. His character slapped her character's ass in game. There is nothing in the thread indicating any offense besides this and they are praising him for stepping up to protect a victim without even checking with the person to see if they're offended.
/r/MensRights26/04/20 01:50 AM
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I mean, yeah. Retaliate in character and move on. You could even say player to player, in private after the session, that it made you uncomfortable. Work out a reasonable solution such as allowing drastic retribution in character, different targets for such actions, or just toning it down a bit. Collaborative gaming is about communication and give and take. I'd refuse to DM for players who couldn't self mediate such a trivial issue. My job is to know rules, build a world, and tell a story. It is…
/r/MensRights25/04/20 11:00 PM
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It's all good. I can't say he wasn't doing so for such a reason. He very well could be. Then again, if that was the case, it would become a pattern targeting a specific player and become quite clear. Hell, the kind of joker I am, if I was messing around like that, I might tweak a male characters nipples to cast a spell also. I just find it comical when a character is played as an over the top lecherous bufoon like a lot of old man mentors in anime. I'm actually more or less asexual (basically ze…
/r/MensRights25/04/20 10:45 PM
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4th edition was when it hit. 4e did a ton of simplification that made the game more accessible to players outside of the core demographic. They adjusted the rules to be more tame in the core books and didn't release any books about less tame subjects. It was like they felt some of the new players might be offended by the books existing and not play the game rather than simply not buy such books to include in their game. At this point, the SJWs started flooding in and making demands about tone sh…
/r/MensRights25/04/20 09:40 PM
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I tend to agree. In my younger years, I read a ton of Dragonlance. The novels were literally set in the D&D default worlds and had shit far more extreme than this. Murder, gaslighting, rape, torture, disfigurement, death, etc all were in those books. It showed up in most campaigns, too. People focused on making a split between in character and out of character and portraying a fucked up world with fucked up people and a fantastic story. Now, things are watered down around real world sensibilitie…
/r/MensRights25/04/20 09:24 PM
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Just to make sure you read it right, the player's character slapped the other player character's ass. There was no IRL physical contact or lewdness as far as the thread reports the event. I guess I just don't see it that way. D&D's default world setting is heavily patterned on Medieval European culture as the cultural norm with the addition of extra humanoid races, magic, and monsters. In the D&D world, things like torture, public execution, wars of aggression, and all sorts of modern taboos are…
/r/MensRights25/04/20 09:14 PM
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I have had a vastly different experience. The vast majority of feminists I've talked with IRL think MRAs are cringy and hate women. They also may claim they're sensitive to men's issues, but if the person they're talking to identifies as not a feminist or God forbid, an antifeminist, all of that goes out the window and is replaced with male blaming while claiming feminism is for men, too while refusing to give an example of his e organizational feminism has had a victory for men. It's just a rat…
/r/MensRights24/04/20 09:29 PM
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Yeah, the reduction on full tilt slander journalism against us has been to our detriment in some ways. When AVFM was being attacked constantly, it was pretty much every day I would see someone post here for the first time asking about media portrayal of our movement. In about 90% of those posts resulted in a person with a changed perspective or even a new member in the movement. It really felt like all the mud slung at us got people angry enough to confront us in person, and then the rush of rea…
/r/MensRights24/04/20 07:10 PM
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Ok, cool. I'm just not sure why I get so little interaction there compared to other subs. It might just be that they aggressively downvoted anything even remotely anti feminist, ignore anything neutral or unrelated to feminism (how I post when I go there) and upvote anything pro feminist.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/04/20 06:44 PM
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I can't really weigh in heavily because I'm pretty sure I'm shadow banned or something and am just too lazy to check at this point. My comments where I tried to be civil as possible in posts not even mentioning feminism got no interaction, even votes. It was in a thread about male rape victims of rape, and my story I told was about a man raping me. No votes, no comments, nothing. The thread was pretty young, too. To me, any sub that shadow bans people just for being active on a sub that disagree…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates23/04/20 07:02 PM
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If it's a private conversation, I just don't. I tell them that if they want to put words in my mouth, they obviously don't need me to talk, and then I leave. You aren't going to break someone's cognitive dissonance if they're that deep and in attack mode. If it's a public conversation, I'm extremely civil and define my statements and give data to defend them. The goal of this has nothing to do with the person arguing with me. You don't win a public debate by convincing your opponent. You win a p…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates06/04/20 05:36 PM
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I want to fix society, but I see that as impossible without subverting the control feminists have over the popular narrative. Many of the areas where men suffer the biggest discrimination are places that hire feminist consultants to make policy. Feminists, even many who are otherwise respectable and actually pro equality, often go out of their way to slander the MRM and its members. As long as that narrative holds power, we can't do much to change society. This is why so many MRAs fight feminism…
/r/MensRights05/04/20 10:35 PM
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I remember that moment. It blew my mind. It was the best example of my preconceived notions being wrong of all time. Then, 2 days ago, I found out pangolins have 2 arms and 2 legs and walk bipedal. Then I saw a video of one. Mind blown forever. If you haven't seen it yet, you owe it to yourself.
/r/MensRights05/04/20 08:50 PM
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You can only take feminism as having a noble history of equality if you follow academic sources that are rather pro feminist. If you actually read news articles or laws from the era, many battles "feminists won" weren't even real battles. They won multiple battles over men beating their wives being acceptable during an era when the whipping post was still in use as a punishment for such actions. They also were the driving force behind the act of prohibition against alcohol. They passed laws maki…
/r/MensRights05/04/20 08:42 PM
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The thing is, gender parity is difficult to analyze for numerous reasons. For example, there is far more of a social stigma against men who report domestic violence. Police officers often take men reporting a woman abuser less seriously. We could argue day and night about biases that are inherently hard to track, but I always want an answer to why domestic violence in lesbian relationships is the highest followed by heterosexual couples and lowest in gay male relationships if men are the primary…
/r/MensRights03/04/20 08:59 PM
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Most MRAs hold the radical position that men have issues TOO. I don't know anyone here who thinks women getting raped isn't an issue. We do think it's an issue that rape against women gets all the attention where, in many places, it's not even legally called rape if it happens to a man and there are no resources for men who get raped.
/r/MensRights02/04/20 04:38 PM
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The thing is, I'll totally engage with that kind of person, but that isn't the norm. Most of them just come in with an army of strawmen launching ad populum and ad hominem attacks and think they're some sort of moral authority over us.
/r/MensRights29/03/20 07:38 PM
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I have to wonder if a part of this is that most jobs considered essential are far more likely to be primarily men. This would cause men as a group to be more at risk of infection during a quarantine because they still have to leave their home and be around people for society to continue to function at even a reduced capacity.
/r/MensRights26/03/20 06:21 PM
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I gave this show a shot, and the first 2 episodes were fairly good, but the battle of the sexes and bias episode had shit that really annoyed me. In the battle of the sexes episode was really bad in their bias and the way they constructed the tests to prove a narrative, but the experts were even worse. The worst part was where they asked people to rate on the guy vs girl as to who was smarter, more likely to be a doctor, and more trust worthy, and they acted like it was shocking that the results…
/r/MensRights23/03/20 11:35 PM
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Take my upvote and my unqualified agreement with your analysis.
/r/MensRights23/03/20 12:08 AM
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Traditional gender roles coming from conservative gender roles tend to be fairly gynocentric as well, but they've got a measure of give and take at least.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 11:08 PM
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Usually, from what I've seen, it will remain where it is with the officer making a note of the disputed nature of the property as you are the victim and the offender is attempting to take possession. It can be a sticky mess, so don't fight over possession of an object unless you feel it's really worth fighting over because of cost or sentiment. The person currently living in the space is assumed in the right until proven otherwise, especially when the person living in the space is the aggrieved …
/r/MensRights22/03/20 08:33 PM
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Working at starbucks and talking with cops and dispatch that come through, I can tell you in the US, domestic violence rates have already gone up, as have suicides. Usually this time of year the rate drops as seasonal depression reduces, but they're seeing a MASSIVE uptick in domestic violence and suicide attempt calls
/r/MensRights22/03/20 08:18 PM
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The thing is, I know trans people who are anti SJW. Just because a person has gender dysphoria and wants to transition doesn't make them an SJW. To me, the right answer is to accept them and their experiences but not give an inch of they want to play victim over others. You don't have to give leeway to them and can cut them off of they start pushing SJW ideology.
/r/MensRights22/03/20 08:14 PM
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One of the mods in a men's right group I'm a part of on discord is a trans man, so I can say at least the group I'm in fully considers trans men a part of the MRM and supports them fully. I see them as experiencing problems all men have as well as problems exclusive to trans men. I also see their perspectives as quite valuable, especially if they are passing because they have lived the double standard and can often express the difference in a way that biological males can't. This isn't in any wa…
/r/MensRights22/03/20 08:04 PM
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And I'd rather be kicked in the balls than have my dick chopped off, what's your point?
/r/MensRights12/03/20 12:24 PM
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I agree her comedy was stupid, but so was the three stooges, and if you think they weren't comedy geniuses, those are fighting words.
/r/MensRights12/03/20 11:07 AM
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Let me start by saying that I think men should be able to legally surrender their parental rights and not pay. They should be able to opt out in the way a woman can by putting the kid up for adoption. We don't make women who adopt out a kid pay child support because it's in the best interest of the child. That being said, I do think women have a right to abortion at any time, even if I don't like it morally. If I get in a fight with someone and the stab me, they can't be compelled to give their …
/r/MensRights29/02/20 01:05 AM
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Real talk, why the hell would I be invested in meeting someone for a first date? That's codependent as shit. I could be interested or excited, but if I'm already invested on the first date, there is probably something wrong with me.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/02/20 08:43 AM
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I'm honestly clueless on how to make it romantic without coming across as creepy. I've been told I'm a massive flirt, but I give women the same kinds of compliments and attention I give men, and men don't think I'm flirting. Most of my relationships started by a simple combination of proximity and consistency. I was around them a lot and kept my behavior from being erratic. Eventually, after I'm certain if missed dozens of hints, they expressed interest and I went from there. A few of them said …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/02/20 02:07 AM
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I figured it out with practice, but I think my method was what made the difference. When I got to college, I took psychology classes and public speaking classes. Psychology gave me a better understanding of people's reactions and thought process. I also studied microexpressions to be able to actively seek out emotional tells as I was quite bad at noticing people's feelings until I made it an intentional trained process. In public speaking, I practiced my speeches in front of a mirror including e…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/02/20 07:26 PM
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That's not really true. Being good looking helps a hell of a lot, but there are plenty of people who are attractive while not being good looking because power is attractive. Money is a form of power. Charisma is a form of power. Danger is a form of power. You have to be a combination of powerful and good looking such that your aggregate score is high enough. This can come in any ratio as evidenced by fat and ugly millionaires with smoking hot wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 08:06 PM
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That's just the nature of crime. The vast majority of crimes are committed by people close to the victim. The vast majority of rapists know their victim, the vast majority of assault and murder is by someone close to the victim. The vast majority of pedophiles are close to the family with the child they victimize. It's also safe to say the vast majority of people never commit a crime against someone close to them. The vast majority of "dangerous" men never hit the women that are with. They might…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/02/20 08:01 PM
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The worst part is I can answer this as an anti feminist, but feinists can't. Free the nipple is the one right women lack in some Western jurisdictions that men have. Men can be in public with our nipples out in places women can't be. It's the one right men have that women don't. It really bothers me that devout feminists can't give this answer and just distract and talk about social norms. It makes it obvious to me that they know less about women's rights than I do.
/r/MensRights06/02/20 09:57 AM
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Brave defaults to duckduckgo whenever you open a private browser tab and has it as one of its options for default search engine. I think it's even the recommended one.
/r/MensRights31/01/20 12:44 AM
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That's the part that baffles me. Even if they weren't sitting down to broadcast their ignorance to the statistics of something they support, I'd at least expect them to have done some form of research before they activist and shout for change. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to give their rationale behind their deeply held views and be able to carry on a conversation about why they hold their beliefs. There are plenty of places I disagree with Crowder, but I wouldn't sit down fo…
/r/MensRights30/01/20 10:25 PM
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His estate could. His legacy has financial value and was left to his next of kin. The damage done via slander and libel could tarnish his legacy and cause financial damage to his next of kin, so legally, it would be possible.
/r/MensRights30/01/20 07:37 PM
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It's fine to talk about your rapist weather convicted or not. It's fine to call someone who has been found guilty a rapist. It's fine to call a dead person who was found guilty a rapist, just not right after they die and people are grieving. It's not fine to doxx people. It's not fine to call people found not guilty rapists. It's not fine to just listen and believe without any verification. It's not fine to feel that redemption impossible no matter how long it has been or how a person has change…
/r/MensRights30/01/20 07:35 PM
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Totally good. I'm usually responding to the person but addressing the crowd in general.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 11:09 PM
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It's not as bad as you think. People assume a causal relationship in the wrong way or just askew of reality. People don't get bisexuality and bi erasure is a real thing. People also don't get S&M and assume much about it. People in either group are more likely to be suffering from mental issues, but a big part of that is societal perspective on these groups. If you've got a social safety net and clear understanding of yourself, you're doing great. I know that for me, S&M appeals because I feel l…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 10:05 PM
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This sub is a debate sub, so people present their argumentation from the perspective of debate which leads to pointing at extreme examples. Debate is boring when you just conclude that people are complex with complex motivations and expressions. As such, the topics tend to talk about the extreme cases that cause societal discord in a men vs women or red pill vs blue pill perspective. I know I can be extremely feisty during online debates, but I'm far more chill IRL about most things. I can only …
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:57 PM
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First of all, man who dates women. I realize I can be difficult because of my autism and the fact that it can take me time putting my foot in my mouth and chewing before I actually find the words to explain what I'm feeling. As such, the number one personality bar is someone who is patient during disagreement where I fail at word choice. After that, intellectual curiosity is a big one. I like to talk about science, philosophy, politics, social norms, etc and try to understand the implications of…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:48 PM
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I'm here because discussing redpill vs bluepill IRL has massive risks and there are almost in places on the internet to have such discussions without extreme dogpiling or bans being handed out. I feel it's extremely important to step out of echo chambers to a more neutral ground to have conversations. That's the way we find common ground and improve our ideas. I'm here because the spirit of the sub is extremely rare in the modern era of polarization, and while I think it could do better at being…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/01/20 09:33 PM
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I mean, I mistrust people based upon labels they apply to themselves. I don't think that's remotely unreasonable. I also don't understand how conceptually you can be a conservative and a feminist. Those labels seem profoundly incompatible. All that being said, even if I don't trust them and think they have some form of ulterior motive, I support the message and will use this as a source in arguments with feminists to see how fast they get declared not real feminists. Hell, if their ulterior moti…
/r/MensRights28/01/20 07:26 PM
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I wouldn't escalate. If he makes a claim of slander, it encourages her to double down and attempt to prove her false claim to get out of the repercussions of her actions exactly as she seems like she was doing with the initial accusation. Detach from her in every way and be ready to lawyer up if she decides to push any farther. If cops show up, don't speak to them outside of saying you want to evoke your right to a lawyer before you answer any questions.
/r/MensRights28/01/20 09:06 AM
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I really don't understand how someone can be so delusional. To even say a few percent is under insanity. If it was a few percent of men, that kind of shit wouldn't even be news worthy because it would be so common. It's legitimately a less than one in a million case of a man that fucked up. On top of that, when I see people go on about how awful evil and violent men are in a public forum, I know that on some level they know they're lying because it always evokes the scene from Dark Knight Rises …
/r/MensRights28/01/20 08:49 AM
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I'll be the rare one here. I would. I'm not a massive sex drive kind of dude and I care much more about physical affection and emotional intimacy than I do about sex. If there is that kind of connection and support and she pulls her weight financially, I'd be happy. Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer a relationship where sex is at least a few times a month, but it's not a deal breaker for me if everything else is amazing. Hell, she could be fully asexual if she was ok with having an open relationshi…
/r/PurplePillDebate28/01/20 08:16 AM
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I'm going to bed, but I once again shift to the opinion that we are not going to find common ground no matter how many times we explain our perspectives. I'll get back to this tomorrow and either tap out or continue.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 10:41 AM
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Feminists don't pass laws. They may advocate, but they do not pass laws and a minority of feminists shouldn't be enough to blame the whole movement. That's like me blaming all men for rapists getting custody of their children because lawmakers (men) have made it so. See Alabama. No, it isn't. I'm blaming the organizations at the forefront of the movement for what the movement is doing. I'm not blaming individual feminsits, as I said. I'm blaming the movement for what is done by its organizations…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 09:12 AM
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I'm a dude who wants that and I enjoy all of those things. I have to assume some women who want to be stay at home moms would enjoy it or at the very least prefer it to the alternative.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:55 AM
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I can say I've talked with and helped incels with their emotional isolation. Every one I've worked with would agree with that person. Sex is the thing they focus on because a healthy physical and emotional relationship is what they want. Paying for sex can get them their but, but it doesn't fulfill their needs. I feel like treating them like humans worthy of empathy and connection does far more for them than prostitution ever would because while they talk a lot about the sexlessness constantly, …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:52 AM
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The main thing is to not demonize men who are sexless. Incel and MGTOW are both scorned. In doing so, you are telling men that they are bad if they can't get laid. Show incels empathy and they will be less angry. Show MGTOWs respect for their decision to opt out, and they will be less angry. It's not your job to fix them, but not doing so is making problems for women, and you can either double down and perpetuate your problems you have with them or back off and show empathy and alleviate your pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:40 AM
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I'm actually a subscriber because I like to temper my views by stepping outside of echo chambers. As for blaming feminists for men's current issues, I don't exclusively blame them, but I do blame them for some of men's issues with their rhetoric being so anti male and much of the laws their organizations have passed being so anti male. I also don't hate individual feminists. I can respect a feminist, but I will tell them that if pure equality is their goal, egalitarian is a better label. Even th…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:34 AM
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I'd lean towards men. Men have a biological urge to spread their genetics, and having multiple partners is more efficient for this. Women can spread their genetics just as efficiency with one partner or 100. That being said, because of this paradigm, women are more likely to wind up unhappy because they find a partner who may have a better chance of sustaining their genome. As such, it isn't a good indicator of which sex is more likely to cheat. More that if a woman becomes unhappy with her rela…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 07:28 AM
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I've been there, and I don't care for it at all because of how often the flip a men's issue into women are oppressed. I consider myself an egalitarian, but as long as feminism is following patriarchy theory, I will be against the movement. I dislike that the sub has a heavy bias towards wanting everything to be viewed from a feminist lense.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 06:34 AM
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Totally fair. I'm an autistic MRA, and it seems socially acceptable for feminists to bring up women's issues parallels as a response to men's issues, so I do the same. I feel like I can't talk on men's issues without people jumping in to say women have it worse. I've also gotten used to the face that any time I bring up a men's issue, it's always the wrong time and always a derail, even if I started the thread in a sub that isn't MRA. At this point, I've just given up on acceptability of men's i…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 05:37 AM
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I was trying to make a parallel and show that it is a societal thing rather than a woman's issue and should be addressed as such, but probably failed at expressing that it isn't just about men. Either way, I did read your posts and will think on them. Happy new year to you, too.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 02:34 AM
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Honestly, I don't think we will have a productive dialogue at this point, so I'm done. We both feel we are right and just seem to be talking past each other, and I don't think we will find any common ground or change any opinions the other holds, so I'm not going to waste either of our time any longer. Happy trails, no Ill will, I just don't think this conversation has value.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/20 12:22 AM
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Yes, I have. I understand those concepts you say, but that isn't how the words are used in most discussion, so I still feel that in its primary usage it is a snarl word used to dismiss behaviors men engage in without any actual definition. I see toxic masculinity as the other half of the catch 22 with masculinity so frail wherein society scorns men if we express sadness or vulnerability or if we express displeasure via anger. On top of that, not expressing emotions is toxic masculinity and expre…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 11:28 PM
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It's reasonable, but it's also explained if you look into it. This is because of the empathy gap. Women who attempt suicide get an outpouring of support. Men who attempt suicide are viewed as broken and a threat to themselves and others. Some men even go as far as threatening suicide without attempting it and get a lack of empathy, so they decide that living through an attempt would only make things worse and feel people wouldn't care if they were gone, so they take extreme measures. When a woma…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 09:03 PM
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Don't forget that most statistics that show females attempt suicide more than males are gathered by hospitals in which any self harm is classified as a suicide attempt because it was self harm bad enough to require hospitalization. Femapes are more prone to self harm and males are more prone to risk taking behavior as a way of feeling dead inside, but the male risk taking behavior isn't treated as a form of suicide attempt when it hospitalizes them. On top of all of that, the idea that women att…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates25/01/20 08:56 PM
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That's a gross overgeneralization. Some people, a very small subset of people, act that way, and their voices get lifted by outrage culture to make it seem normal. Most of the responses to conversations like that, outside of some extreme echo chambers, are much like yours calling it victim blaming or showing sympathy. It's very easy to get an opinion on the state of things and have confirmation bias seeing the 1% fitting your bias and ignore the 99% who don't act that way. First of all, props on…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 08:26 PM
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That's a gross overgeneralization. Some people, a very small subset of people, act that way, and their voices get lifted by outrage culture to make it seem normal. Most of the responses to conversations like that, outside of some extreme echo chambers, are much like yours calling it victim blaming or showing sympathy. It's very easy to get an opinion on the state of things and have confirmation bias seeing the 1% fitting your bias and ignore the 99% who don't act that way. Also, I truly don't th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/20 07:02 PM
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They actually twisted the term from its original meaning that had been scientifically studied and validated. Essentially, emotional labor originally was applied to things like the service industry and psychology. In these jobs, you must maintain a certain demeanor as part of your job, and this causes cognitive strain. When compared to intellectual or physical labor, emotional labor shows 3-4x the mental exhaustion per hour. The problem is, they treat explaining things in a rude way as emotional …
/r/MensRights24/01/20 10:40 PM
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When talking to feminists, I have been accused numerous times of strawmanning their arguments. Today, I would like to do the opposite: The Steel Man is about "building the best form of the other side’s argument and then engaging with it." Totally fair, I'll engage in a polite way as I do in most online discussions and remember that you don't necessarily believe your arguments. The argument I would like to engage with is that we live in a patriarchy. I will do my best to represent this argument, …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 09:32 AM
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Interesting how the one example they give of an acceptable double standard is one of benevolent sexism benefiting the woman. LOL (btw I condone none of the double standards named) Honestly, the one double standard I accept is the one of benevolent sexism because it is different than all the others in that it is him holding himself to a standard he doesn't hold others to. All the other double standards are someone holding another to higher standards than they hold themselves. I'm far more ok with…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates24/01/20 08:46 AM
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I really hesitate to say this because it probably will come across as racist, but if the skin color differential is negligible in women being victims of police violence, it could be a cultural difference. It also could be a class difference in that poor men are seen as dangerous and poor women are seen as pitiable when you consider the larger per capita poverty rate among black people. My big issue is making it about race when there is such a strong counter example. If a hypothesis fails to pred…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/20 10:01 AM
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I don't see how any of that context refutes what he said. You can take a sci-fi perspective of she isn't calling for extermination, but I feel that is overly charitable. At best, she is calling for a 90% genocide against men on the grounds that men create all the problems we face, and that still isn't a good look. I mean, would you be so quick to defend someone who said that reducing the non-white population to 10% would make the world a better place even if they said it was by reducing reproduc…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/20 09:54 AM
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The thing is, this could go to how you define tolerate. I tolerate casual sexism, racism, transphobic, etc in that I believe free speech is an inalienable human right, and that is still true if you use it to say shitty things. Their right to speech supercedes my finding the speech offensive. On the other hand, I don't tolerate it in that I call that shit out. I don't do so in a public shaming way because that just causes people to double down and get offended, but I'll call it out in private or …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/20 09:48 AM
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Totally fair. Sometimes you just don't have the energy to really go deep. I appreciate the post and hope that one day, when you do have the energy and motivation at the same time, you'll share.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates22/01/20 06:24 AM
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Totally fair. At the core, needs derive from the one true need of perpetuating the species. This may not be reproduction itself and may take the form of some secondary action such as technical advancement, mentoring, etc, but it's all about improving the odds of survival of the species at the end which is why people can sacrifice even their lives in pursuit of the goal. I can be a total semantic fiend in discussion (diagnosed autist), and a lot of their disagreement seems to come down to definit…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 08:48 AM
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They're using it in the sense of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. There is a difference between psychological needs and physical needs. You only die emotionally if your psychological needs aren't met, but psychological studies still refer to them as needs.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/01/20 12:47 AM
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This whole thing blows my mind. I wasn't shocked that they succeeded, but the defense the radical left made was the people were trolling and in doing so hurt the integrity of academic study. It blows my mind that they can't even see a lack of integrity in the journals that reviewed and published such works because it can to what they consider to be the right conclusion. I've been following this since they first spoke up, and it confirms much of my suspicions that of you start with anything negat…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates20/01/20 05:50 PM
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As an autistic person, I get this on a personal and intuitive level. I've been viewed as creepy because I can over share and be overly friendly. I also make too little or too intense eye contact and zone out which can be viewed as staring if a person enters my eye line when I'm zoned out. I'm also prone to being over generous and practice pacifism. I'm probably about the least dangerous person in most situations. I also know that I don't get social norms, so I ask for consent about many things. …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 05:26 AM
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She is, and she's a wonderful person to chat with. I've had a few conversations with her on the honey badger discord, and she's every bit as caring and thoughtful as she comes across as in her videos.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 04:55 AM
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To me, exposing how deep to the core feminism has hatred has value. If feminism is ever to be reformed or stopped, the misandry powering academic and organizational feminism needs to be understood by the average person and coffee shop feminist who believes in feminism because they believe the dictionary definition that feminism IS equality.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 02:19 AM
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I see toxic masculinity and patriarchy primarily used in the same way as other subs, to blame, dismiss, and silence behaviors. Toxic masculinity is often used to say parts of masculinity are toxic rather than as a toxic way to express masculinity. I'd see talking about toxic behavior in general as more helpful and still expressing that certain forms of toxic behavior have a gender imbalance. Many women do behaviors called toxic masculinity, and using that terms makes it easier to ignore their be…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 12:45 AM
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Out of curiosity, what makes you call it rage bait? The actual form of the department she runs is more or less in line with such sentiments, and exposing such hatred isn't just baiting rage, I mean, it will probably cause some rage, but that's only because many people either don't believe influential feminists ever think this way or are tired of people calling it a strawman when you point out such things.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates19/01/20 12:34 AM
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Not quite. They may genuinely appreciate what they are complimenting while giving the compliment for less then genuine reasons. Men do the same thing, but it seems to me that men are more likely to give a compliment simply for the sake of expressing their like of something as compared to women.
/r/MensRights18/01/20 10:06 PM
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In most cases, the problems that minorities suffer that get called oppression are actually roughly 6x as dramatic in the gender gap. That's usually how I get some room in a discussion with feminists. I bring up the homelessness rate, the criminal sentencing gap, etc in the context of race and agree they are issues and a clear sign of being disadvantaged in society, once they're agreeing and we've got a vibe going, I bring up that men having an even larger gap. Usually they will have a moment of …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 06:46 PM
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I do find it funny that feminists will campaign than language matters and we must call them mail carriers, police officers, fire fighters, etc because appending men made it gendered and hurts women on a psychological level then then turn around and follow an ideology called feminism in which patriarchy is the root of all ills. How is this double standard not apparent to them, and how can they slander people for chosing to go by the genderless label of egalitarian?
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates18/01/20 06:40 PM
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I've gotten really tired of the overuse of the term strawman. It's the popular logical fallacy to call out by name, even when it is totally inaccurate. You're talking about overgeneralization. I'll agree that many here have issues with overgeneralization. The thing is, this sub regularly gets accused of straw man attacks for saying that feminists say or believe something. People say feminists don't say that and it's just a straw man. User cites and example, often times from an influential femini…
/r/MensRights18/01/20 06:33 PM
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I do drive by compliments regularly, but I'm also autistic and don't get social norms and ignore many of the ones I do get. I've noticed that generally men respond FAR better than women do to this. Women seem to respond better to this than they do to direct comments, though. When I say drive by compliments, I mean I'm walking by someone and I say something like, your shirt rocks, your hair is awesome, etc, and continue walking. I think many women get uneasy about compliments that lead to a conve…
/r/MensRights18/01/20 06:15 PM
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Hotness is a depreciating asset. Personality is an appreciating asset. It's totally reasonable to chase sexy and have your fun, but the focus of a relationship should be emotional connection with someone attractive enough that you are happy with their looks. Chasing hot just makes you ignore the red flags and find out how ugly things can get when you ignore them.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:03 AM
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Virtually every man I know has found at least one person they don't find attractive and insulted as shallow and the like if they express it. The average women get just as mad as the average man when rejected for not being attractive. The big difference is that women seldom do the chasing, so it's not seen as commonly as it is from men. Men get that people have things they don't find attractive because we do as well. It does nothing to change the fact that being rejected hurts and it hurts even m…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/01/20 05:00 AM
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See, to me, egalitarian is the center between feminist and MRA. I lean towards MRA from egalitarian, as many MRAs do, but I'm an egalitarian first. MRA just means advocating for men, and the mainstream MRA is fairly egalitarian. Feminism just means advocating for women, and the mainstream feminist is intersectional which seems pretty far from egalitarian. I think all people should have equal rights, and current legal code in the western world guarantees far more rights for women than it does for…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 10:01 AM
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I'm a radical centrist, this fence is the hill I will die on. I'm center left, but I've found I get along better with the right than the left.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates17/01/20 08:44 AM
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While I agree that it is insane that the writer makes that conflation, I'm rather confused by saying those skills don't pay enough to be worth learning. That may be true for some vehicles, but the stereotypical one here is oil changes, which are largely cheaper done professionally given the time involved without being able to comfortably get under things. Yeah, the oil change is a fair one, but alternators, break pads, air filters, spark plugs, power steering pumps, power window motors and a lot…
/r/MensRights16/01/20 08:05 AM
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The problem is, the top tiers are what people will want to pay attention to, and that will lead to most sports just being a men's competition in the top tier and then a gender neutral lower tier. The lower tiers would have less funding than even the women's sports currently do, so it would essentially hurt women with little to no gain for men. I just don't see there being a way for physically focused sports to be gender integrated without it basically excluding women from sports leading to the c…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 06:11 AM
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I feel like the media actually weaponized fear of sounding like a trump supporter of you call them out to get away with more. I was talking about the issues of news actively lying during the early days of occupy when I saw videos and pictures intentionally misleading the public come out. There were events where I was there and it was blatantly lying via cropping and cutting and then framed with a false narrative. In 2015 I was pointing out the dishonest behavior related to the Democratic primary…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates16/01/20 06:03 AM
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I've never gotten this. Sure, it can be nice to see your race/gender/sexuality/disability/etc on the screen, but I don't see why it matters so much. I'm an autistic ginger man. (So born with 2 or 3 strikes) and I relate to plenty of characters on screen. I related to Jessica Jones's struggles with PTSD. It didn't matter that she was a woman, neurotypical, and dark haired. That struggle still resonated with me in a relatable way. I've related to some of the struggles of black characters even thou…
/r/MensRights16/01/20 05:44 AM
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While I agree that it is insane that the writer makes that conflation, I'm rather confused by saying those skills don't pay enough to be worth learning. I know that, at least in the USA, trade jobs are actually a better path to financial stability because they start out at rather good pay and don't leave you straddled with six figures of debt from college. On top of that, even if we assume those skills don't pay enough to the person to bother learning them, they sure can save enough. I've saved …
/r/MensRights16/01/20 05:20 AM
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Sometimes you just want to know where you can go to tell a woman to make you a sandwich without backlash.
/r/MensRights16/01/20 04:58 AM
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Here's the problem, when you give into the idea that a man needs to meet your criteria to deserve rights, you don't believe in men's rights. You don't have to have sympathy for him, but if you don't defend his rights, you're allowing the cliff to erode for all men. Don't get me wrong, it's totally fair to say he was a part of the problem, but defending him gives us an unusual opportunity. Plenty of his supporters scorn men's rights. For once, we have common ground where they may listen and hear …
/r/MensRights15/01/20 09:12 PM
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I think what annoys me about this study is that it takes attacks at one woman and terms it misogyny. Maybe the called her a slur because they think she has too much sex. Maybe they called her a whore because they think she uses sex to get resources. Maybe they just said it because they hate her in specific. The point is, saying something insulting to a woman, even if it's a gendered or sexual insult isn't misogyny. You can hate a single woman without it being revealing of your hatred of all wome…
/r/MensRights14/01/20 08:46 AM
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While some may be self aware enough to be making these moves in the way you describe, I suspect it's happening for the same reason it happened in the 80s and 90s. That reason is puritanical and sterilized views on sexuality. In the 80s and 90s this view was driven by religion that viewed sex as a privilege of marriage, and in marriage it was a duty to reproduce in service of God. Any sex, even married that was considered deviant such as anal and oral was scorned. Some more extreme Puritans also …
/r/PurplePillDebate13/01/20 07:07 PM
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I agree. If you've ever gotten to know a trans man, it's an interesting experience. Most of them thought they would be respected and have the world handed to them when they transition, but almost every one I've gotten to know spoke of the depression and isolation of being a man and having to prove worth to get even basic respect they had just taken for granted when presenting as female.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/01/20 09:40 PM
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I don't doubt it at all. They have an elastic clause of no low effort or troll questions, and I'd suspect they call anything that is too contradictory to feminist views to be trolling.
/r/MensRights12/01/20 12:34 AM
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Top level comment is people answering the post, not the ones making the post. Essentially, it's called ask feminists so they initial answer should come from a feminist perspective. I'd say that's reasonable given people go there to ask feminists questions.
/r/MensRights11/01/20 07:13 PM
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I honestly am not sure, but I don't expect things to continue in the same direction as they have the past few years or totally reverse course.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 07:06 PM
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I wouldn't, but it's the fact that they use it as a statement of dismissal. You are right in assuming I'm American. I have friends on all ends of the political spectrum. The problem is my right wing people I know I lean left and crave a left perspective that is willing to be open and honest and can talk politely. The left wing people I know just call you right wing to dismiss you of you disagree anywhere. That is, if they're polite. If they aren't, they just call you a Nazi. I wish that our poli…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 10:31 AM
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I had a discussion with my sister's partner where he questioned my political activity because I abstained from voting in the last election, and I asked him when the last time he wrote a letter to a politician, and he never had. I asked how he can take the moral superiority when he only votes and I also contact them directly to express my opinion.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 10:25 AM
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My top problems are: Entitlement Apathetic towards self improvement Insecurity Lack of empathy towards men I'm sure I could list more, but those 4 are the deal breakers that eliminates more than 90% of women I've met.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 10:23 AM
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I'm going to chop this post and respond fully not because it pissed me off or anything but because I see effort and want to respond to it point by point. I'm using your line breaks to chop it because of who I am as a person. I want to respond this way because you obviously put effort in and I'd like to reciprocate. This goes hand-in-hand with alot of things I have observed. 1. Women dont care about this whole alpha-beta dichonomy like men do. 2. I’ve seen far more men bully men over their mascul…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 10:16 AM
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True, but expecting things to move in a straight line while dynamics are struggling and shifting is insane. Something is going to change because the trend line is unstable right now.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 09:55 AM
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And that's the problem. Women don't want to take command, but they want control. Men are expected to take charge through the land mine field of modern gender dynamics, but they're expected to not be in command. As a man, I'd love my problem to be unappreciated advances and having to assert myself and take the risk of shutting them down. This isn't to say women have it good, it's just saying that if I could trade, I would.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/01/20 09:54 AM
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My research has shown that gay relationships have the lowest rate of domestic violence. I don't have a source at the moment, but that's what I recall reading when I looked into it.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates11/01/20 09:14 AM
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I despise persuasive redefinition and the damage it does to language. Redefining a word for an agenda always leads to language becoming more murky where some people cling to the original definition of the term and others push the new definition while the worst use fuzzy definitions and switch which definition they are using based on the reaction of their opponents to always be able to claim they are in the right. I want people to hold politicians accountable, but using a preexisting word with a …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 10:10 PM
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I feel like you're stretching on what political correctness means from the common usage of what people can say to include what people can do to make it easier to defend your perspective rather than making a more robust argument. I also feel that it ignores the fact that political correctness tends to have far more to do with what words you are saying rather than the ideas you can express. Additionally, I don't feel that political correctness has ever really been a tool for the masses rather than…
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates10/01/20 06:33 PM
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I'm in the honey badger discord, so next time I see her, I'll ask if no one else beats me to it. I'm on infrequently and she's on randomly, so it might take a bit, but I'd love to ask her to weigh in on this thread.
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 06:35 PM
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In my perspective, if she wasn't bothered, it's not possible that she undereacted. I don't think anyone should have to react poorly to something that doesn't bother them. No one has a duty to be outraged. As for you overreacting, it is possible you are,but I don't see you expressing your reaction, as long as you don't lose your temper as overreacting. There are serious effects to someone losing their temper, even if they have a reason to be offended, and these consequences are often internal as …
/r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates09/01/20 06:31 PM
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We're responding to the details she gave, and if the roles were reversed, people would assume she is the victim. I'm not saying she wasn't, but the double standard is clear here.
/r/MensRights08/01/20 09:13 AM
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Ok, let us say that. Make your argument and don't force me to make it for you.
/r/MensRights08/01/20 09:12 AM
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Yeah, citation needed. Even in the most extreme biased feminist studies I've seen have never cited numbers this extreme. This is a case of a person making up numbers or repeating shit someone else made up. Until they have a form of citation for the numbers, it's just people spouting bullshit.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 06:17 AM
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Seriously though. As a man, someone telling me my feelings are valid is sexy as hell. I might not have the hits for the person, but it always makes me feel that I wish someone who I find physically hot would do that for me. My fiancee is sympathetic for a lot of it, but a lot of the time I feel she doesn't get it, she just supports me. Honestly that's amazing. The idea that she supports me when she doesn't fully get it, but I want more people in my life who get it rather than just support me.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 05:13 AM
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I disagree. I'm cut and have had sexual issues from it. Just what I'm saying is that you need to get over the past if you can't change it. There is no way to become whole again. Even if you get your foreskin restored surgically or by any other process, the nerve endings are gone and your glans has been calcified to protect it from a lack of foreskin. It fucking sucks, but chasing what could have been will never get you back what you've lost. Deal with it and move on. It may sound cold, bit it's …
/r/MensRights05/01/20 04:23 AM
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As a straight man, I'd love to date an MRA. I'm happy to be engaged to a woman who is sympathetic to men's issues, but the idea of a partner who doesn't scorn me for saying men have issues is amazing.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 04:09 AM
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Tell them they are victim blaming. Blaming men for being the victims because men are victimizers is simple victim blaming. It's not right. If you ever want to convince someone they are in the wrong, you need to argue within their ideological framework. They understand victim blaming and overuse the term. This is a blatant exammple of something they will use on the most flimsy way, so give it to them where it fits, and see if they can work through it.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 04:04 AM
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Fuck people like that. They just asset that they are right in generalities and rely on self doubt in their opponents to win. If it's so obvious, explain it. If you can't do so, you don't have an argument.
/r/MensRights05/01/20 04:00 AM
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How is that even remotely fair. You're saying that the folds in a male's sexual organs were difficult to clean without clean water so it makes sense. I can say with full confidence, the same argument applies to female genitals, but moreso. If you've ever change a male baby and a female baby diaper, you know that the female genitals are at least as dramatic in that aspect as male genitals are. You are saying it was for sanitary reasons with men and for sexual reasons with men when historical refe…
/r/MensRights04/01/20 09:41 PM
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Don't take the mirror flip of feminism and make this a war of genders. Don't make being a woman mean they are assumed the enemy. That is literally misogyny. Don't assume being a man means friend that is folly and usually wrong. Also, don't pull that ally bullshit. Female MRAs aren't allies, they are MRAs.
/r/MensRights04/01/20 12:05 PM
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This is a point of cognitive dissonance that requires much diplomatic effort to even have them hear what you're saying and not get aggressively strawmanned. They have an idea in their head of the dictionary definition of feminism and believe that any person who doesn't fit that definition isn't a feminist. As such, if you bring up an individual who claims feminism acting that way or a feminist group, they'll retreat to the no true Scotsman fallacy. My method, and it takes a lot of research, is t…
/r/MensRights04/01/20 11:56 AM
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I agree entirely. Don't get me wrong, people who self identify as black pill incels tend to be fucked up and really uncomfortable to interact with, bit they're far more of a danger to themselves than others. The media finds a few stories of people in this group who do fucked up shit over a year, and suddenly it's an epidemic. To me, the fact is, you could do this with any group if you wanted to. Every group has fucked up people who the media could sensationalize to make the group evil. The part …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/01/20 11:08 AM
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My understanding is that women who do get sentenced for those crimes often will be the most egregious versions like lighting a man on fire or waiting in the bushes to shoot him a dozen times when he gets home. These crimes have clear premeditation and no immediate risk to the woman. Far more often with men it is a crime of passion. I'm not saying the men are in any way not in the wrong, but crimes of passion tend to have far shorter sentences compared to premeditated crimes. This is more complic…
/r/MensRights02/01/20 05:10 AM
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See, I read it, and the gender bias is blatant in the comments, but the part that bothers me is how people view social media as a substitute for human connection. When I make a new friend, they're uncomfortable about the fact that I call them just to catch up and not because I need something. After a while, they start saying they appreciate the calls. People have gotten so used to using the internet and phones for asynchronous interactions that they've gotten uncomfortable with the intimacy of r…
/r/MensRights01/01/20 10:34 AM
1

Let me lead off with saying there is some common ground. I'm 35 and diagnosed Asperger's. As a kid I had an IQ test through the state because my performance at school was confusing and I tested at 165 on a 15 point standard deviation test. I'm not on the same wavelength as most people either. That being said, the problem is laws need to be concise to protect people. You can't make laws complicated enough to deal with fringe nuance cases such as a gifted child who is mature being an exception or …
/r/MensRights30/12/19 09:30 PM
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I understand that. Puberty could be a line we see, but that still ignores the portion of consent you seemed focused on. Being capable of reproduction has nothing to do with consent. Sterile people can consent. You are making the argument of consent based upon developmental phase, just like me, but I'm basing it on brain development rather than physical. There are girls who are 9 who have had their period and are capable of reproduction. Are you of the opinion they should be able to consent to se…
/r/MensRights30/12/19 07:25 PM
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We don't allow kids to do many things because they lack the brain development. We don't let them drink, smoke, or sign contracts. The idea isn't that they might regret the sex in the way a person regrets a rebound hook up. The idea is they may regret it because they are too young to understand the consequences of such actions and be very easy to manipulate by adults. That's why age of consent laws often have an exception for partners within a certain age range of the person under the age of cons…
/r/MensRights30/12/19 06:52 PM
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I have before. I met them in public to get a vibe, and unless they make me really uneasy, we head back to the place for dinner.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:52 PM
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There is no silver bullet. You have to do the right things and find a compatible partner to find someone to stay with you. You also have to be lucky enough that they don't find another person better at it than you are before they are committed to you. I can say, one thing that goes a long way is acting like a partner. Don't just be a prize to be won. Don't act like they're doing you a favor, either. Treat them as an equal. Another is caring about them and supporting them. Don't just do the actio…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:25 AM
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My perspective would be that beta males exist because of a non reproductive value. Beta males are very geared towards sacrificing to protect their partner and that partner's offspring. Alpha males make strong offspring. It's quite possible that alpha vs beta is a matter of nurture and epigenetics rather that simple genetics and humans have been selected for a blend of males that produce genetically strong offspring and males who are less aggressive and less likely to die young focused on raising…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:17 AM
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I'd love that. Finding a partner to spend my life with has driven me much of my life. The issue is, I worry about the marriage contract and how little protection and how much liability it gives men in relationships that practice traditional gender norms which is the vast majority of peoples' desire. I forget which comedian said this ,but it rings true. Marrying a woman is like betting her half your stuff that she will never stop loving you.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:12 AM
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I know, right? If a women wants to pay half or all of the date, I see it as a sign that she respects men and doesn't see our time as more valuable than ours. If I said I got this, and she insisted on paying and wouldn't let me, I could see that as emasculating, but even that is a stretch. I'd probably assume she just has some baggage and is afraid of feeling in debt to me. It's not a good sign, but it probably isn't a deal breaker, just a sign to pump the breaks and be careful.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:08 AM
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I mean, I agree with your core premise that wide scale usage of the tactics creates a dysfunctional relational dynamic, but I feel you are reversing the cause and effect. I feel that TRP and FDS are becoming more wide spread because of how dysfunctional the relational dynamic has gotten with societal changes and relational dynamics moving askew of each other. Stopping TRP and FDS won't make for functional relationships. It's probably more of a function of the 80/20 rule with online dating and lo…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 10:02 AM
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Even if we assume that is possible to achieve, they won't be alive to see it. If they're comfortable fighting all their lives to create that world and believe that it will occur, more power to them. The fact is, they have something to lose. The men that think that way is less than the number of women, so women who think that way become more likely to lose out to women who don't think that way. Entitlement isn't attractive to most men, especially not men who are likely to succeed in life. I mean,…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 09:53 AM
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Yeah, I'm an aspie who writes in stream of consciousness and has a high WPM count typing. I probably spent a total of 2 minutes thinking and typing to write that over the 3 times I posted/edited it. When I dig down I write novels. What can I say, spergs gonna sperg.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 09:47 AM
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This assumes the woman is a gift. Maybe she is, maybe she is just a prize to be won. The problem comes when she wants a partner rather than an owner or a servant. If you want an equal, this analogy falls apart. I, personally, would like to believe women want an equal partner rather than owning or being owned by a man. Sure, the relationship can evolve into traditional gender roles, to opposite, or anything in between, but to start with that assumption creates a dynamic that isn't healthy for eit…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 04:40 AM
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I'm going to give a quick response. I'm a left leaning MRA, so you know my bias, what you lose by not paying your share of the date is the opportunity to date men who respect themselves and you as an equal. Any man willing to pay for your mere presence to get to know you most likely either isn't confident they are worth it or sees you as a prize to be won. Equality isn't achieved by placing yourself as inferior and needing to pay for the honor of getting to know someone. I can acknowledge, it wi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/19 04:18 AM
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That's just a result of how the sub works. The top rated comment that passes a judgment is the verdict. It doesn't matter if all posts below the top post unanimously disagree, the top rated post makes the flair and is the verdict.
/r/MensRights25/12/19 09:20 AM
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I mean, I get your point, but your writing style just wasn't gripping. I'm gonna get through it before I respond in a serious way, but reading the post has been a pain, thus far.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/12/19 09:04 AM
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Porn hub actually releases a state of porn address regularly. They have insane granularity on their data and show changes in tastes based on location and social trends. In other words, in terms of porn usage, they probably have some of the best data. Look up pornhub insights if you don't believe me. Additionally, I get really fucking sick of people calling people finding 18 year olds or almost 18 year olds pedophiles as a person who was molested at 5. 18 year old women are at near peak reproduct…
/r/MensRights22/12/19 06:19 AM
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I NEED therapy. I also get it. The trick is learning how to find a good shrink. My trick I evolved was a first appointment tactic. When they asked for my history, I went in HARD. I give them all the highlights of the worst of my history and life circumstances in short form. I cover dozens of issues in 30 minutes. If they respond poorly to any of the major issues, I don't make a second appointment. I then repeat the process with a different shrink as many times as needed. I've found that male psy…
/r/MensRights22/12/19 05:52 AM
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My fiancee swapped from a purse to a backpack and was extremely pleased with it. It helped her back pain a lot because carrying that much weight on one side can cause issues. She can carry more with less discomfort and it's a rather impressive toolkit for things she may need on the fly.
/r/MensRights22/12/19 05:40 AM
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I agree. I didn't have enough to give him gold, but I figured a silver is the least I could do for that effort. I'm sure this will help me in the future during debates.
/r/MensRights22/12/19 05:32 AM
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That's fair. I didn't get that deep. At the same time, does alleged drug problems justify the actions of stopping his parental rights he should have without due process? I'm not saying one way or another, but I do know that drug problems seldom lead to a mother having parental rights revoked.
/r/MensRights20/12/19 08:32 AM
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I'm going to be honest. I read very little of this. I understand she has issues, but I saw a few NTA comments at the front and nothing relating to the man's feelings about his child being acknowledged and tapped out. To me, this seems an example of societal scorn for Father's rights. I wanted to ask some courageous MRAs to read the thread and discuss because I don't have the fortitude to dog deeper.
/r/MensRights20/12/19 08:25 AM
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The insults don't make your argument better, they just make you look bad. Also, the problem wasn't that your statement was too complicated, it's that it was unclear what you meant. That being said, making a comparison doesn't mean he thinks they're equal. It means that they are conceptually comparable and that we should have learned from previous things that segregation is not the answer to create a functional society. I feel like we should agree on that core concept, that segregation is not an …
/r/MensRights19/12/19 01:33 AM
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That was never my argument. It's the reverse of your argument. You said that women being abusive is like 7%. I said that most women in that culture beat their kids. With that basis, your 7% is obviously bullshit. Sure, let's say it's 100% of men, that still makes it closer to 50/50, and my stance is that men don't make up the vast majority of abuse unless you frame it to ignore women's abusive behaviors.
/r/MensRights18/12/19 09:22 PM
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If we're using equality of outcome as our ideal, Austria leads, not Finland. Austria sits right at about 50%. To claim Finland is leading at equality when there are more women than men proves the female supremacist mentality.
/r/MensRights18/12/19 07:46 PM
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I might get downvoted for this, but the age of consent is 16 in Oklahoma, so what she did was not statutory rape. It's one of the rare cases where I feel that not using the term rape is more accurate. It's still a fireable offense, but I don't think it's technically criminal. It's completely reasonable to debate the power dynamics of the situation, especially of she was their teacher where grade related coercion could be a factor, but they were legally allowed to consent to that sex. I still thi…
/r/MensRights18/12/19 07:36 PM
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I think we should worry about everyone, but the MRMs focus should be on fixing men's issues. At the same time, framing can be an important tactic. If something will help men and can be framed in a way to make the fringe benefits to women more obvious, it will be easier to accomplish because society is fairly gynocentric. Also, while there are plenty of women who are vile, treating women as a monolith isn't a good look. We need to strive to judge people by their character and actions rather than …
/r/MensRights18/12/19 07:20 PM
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I agree entirely. If all the trains but the women's only train are full, men have to wait for the next train. If there were equal men's only trains, it wouldn't be an ideal solution, but at least it wouldn't be directly discriminatory.
/r/MensRights18/12/19 07:07 PM
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I don't even understand how that relates. He's saying segregation is bad and you're saying you hopes he lives in a society that believes in segregation in his next life to see how dumb he is. I pretty sure him being in a white supremacist society would make him hate segregation more rather than less if it didn't turn him into a total bigot.
/r/MensRights18/12/19 07:05 PM
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I'd just like to point out that every Mexican friend I've ever had joked about memes related to mexican moms being master assassins with their sandals. They also confirmed their mom would beat them with their sandal if they got bad grades, mouthed off, broke the rules, etc. While I know it's not a conclusive sample by any means, that is 100% of Mexican moms engaging in child abuse. Also, to be clear, they explained it was a beating including being hit in the face and chest, not something like a …
/r/MensRights18/12/19 06:57 PM
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I'd just like to point out that I was legitimately shocked that the sub in general is saying that her not speaking out and at points participating means she needs to stop playing the victim and that her partner shouldn't be expected to be a mind reader. I wonder if the reaction would have been different if the OP said he rather than they (I know it's actually she given the response later)
/r/MensRights18/12/19 11:13 AM
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No, just no. I rally against discrimination based upon immutable characteristics. Men commit most violent crimes, but I believe men should be able to own weapons. You are responsible fo only your actions. To hold people responsible for the actions of people of their class is bigotry and tyrannical. People demonize men as a group and we don't fight it by doing the reverse.
/r/MensRights18/12/19 11:04 AM
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hi. i am genuinely curious about what shaped the men’s rights movement’s general outlook on life, particularly feminism not being able to have a symbiotic relationship with men’s rights. I would love to ask the exact same question, in fact, I do. The problem is, when I ask this of feminists, I get berated and no discussion occurs. If feminism is about equality, why does me expressing issues men have mean that I hate women? let me get this out of the way. i am a woman who self-identifies as havin…
/r/MensRights18/12/19 07:38 AM
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By that logic, you would need to admit that antifa is a hate group. Additionally, you aren't having that much of a conversation, you've been fairly inactive in this thread. Even so, I will give you my perspective when I get home from work and have the time to draft up a response because my views aren't something I can express in a sentence or two. I hope that you are willing to hear people out and take their perspective seriously because I know most of us get tired of seeing threads like this ge…
/r/MensRights18/12/19 03:41 AM
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The problem is, saying it implies that there are people here who need to be told that. It's like telling men to not rape. Men know rape is wrong. Every MRA I've talked to knows that men can be right or wrong. People typically don't tend to go around telling people not to do something or that something is wrong unless they think that some people might not get that. You may not have said it, but it sure implies it, and the people making ng such claims from the outside cherry pick so hard to make t…
/r/MensRights17/12/19 11:26 PM
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I've got work shoes for work and a pair of hiking sandals for everything else and go barefoot whenever I can because I like it. This isn't laziness, it's just my preference. Don't get me wrong, I can be lazy as hell, but when what you prefer happens to take less effort, it isn't laziness, it's just your aesthetic.
/r/MensRights17/12/19 06:58 PM
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I feel like when you say being a good woman rather than being a good person, you inevitably make it about traditional gender roles because that is what the phrase is based upon. To me, the heart of being a good woman in a relationship is being NOT the primary bread winner and making it equitable for the primary bread winner. As a man, I'd love to have that role. I'd do the chores, raise the kids, repair and upgrade the house and yard, and cook restaurant quality meals every day and be happy with…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/12/19 06:51 AM
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Didn't develop social skills beyond talking to their wow guild. That's literally trashing on MMO players and propping up the stereotype that only losers play them. It would have been just as easy to say people who never developed their social skills and leave WOW out of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:07 PM
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I've watched plenty of porn and don't see what the issue is. I've done boredom wanks when depressed to get a dopamine hit. It wasn't like my depressed ass could just pull myself out of it and find someone to love me in my depressed state. I also watched porn more in the start of a relationship because it helped me see the woman's personality rather than just see her as somewhere to put my dick because is horny. I still use porn in relationships because sometimes I want to enjoy my sexuality in a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 10:00 AM
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Sex isn't my driving force in my relationships. I typically have the lower sex drive. If she just didn't want sex, I'd be very apathetic to it. I'd still be happy to spend the rest of my life taking care of her and treating her as my best friend as long as she was willing to do the same for me. On the other hand, no matter how good and common the sex is, I'd leaver her if she was unwilling to reciprocate taking care of me and showing emotional intimacy.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 09:10 AM
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I don't feel that the lives of men or women are more valuable from a moralistic perspective. At the same time, from an evolutionary perspective, the lives of women are more valuable because women are the limiting factor in reproduction in a crisis. If I know a person as an individual, I make my value judgement based upon their actions, but I do find myself having to fight the women are wonderful effect to not just automatically assume the best in women. I also see much societal bias fitting with…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 09:07 AM
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This kind of shit annoys me. Why the casual nerd hate? I've known people who met their spouses in MMOs. I've also known people who used their community management skills in MMO guilds to get lucrative careers and actually listed their MMO exploits in their resume. Like, your point is fair that some of these people lack the social skills due to not working on them and want to blame society for their struggles, but the MMO bit is just being shitty for insulting 10s of millions of people's hobby as…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:56 AM
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I can say that I've lurked here a long while and am just starting to post and none of that applies to me. I'm engaged and have been with her for 13 years now. I lurked here and am now posting because it's nearly impossible to find a place where Feminists and MRAs can have a discussion without it getting shut down or just railroaded off topic. I think Frank discussion of gender politics without railroading and conversation ending shut down tactics is the only way that society will help from this …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 08:50 AM
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I suspect that is typical in forums like this because autism seems common in both MRAs and feminists who are open for debate without simply resorting to shutdown tactics. This may be because of not getting social norms and having a tenuous relationship with the current social political war going on in society.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:59 AM
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So they have it easier in one place and just as hard in others, how does that not fit easy mode for you? If you said easier here and harder there, you'd have a logically consistent argument, but you sound like you are agreeing in an attempt to counter their argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:56 AM
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As an autist what dude said rings true. I had to learn to read expressions and innuendo by research. Most people get that kind of shit naturally, but I had to do a lot of studying and practice to get what came easily to others. Does that not fit the original definition of retarded meaning slow or struggling to pick up things others find easy and natural?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:55 AM
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As an autist with a high iq, I'd say we are socially retarded but not necessarily intellectually retarded. To me, it's fitting to call that a form of mental retardation.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:52 AM
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Autistic dudes get raped or coerced into sex a lot, too. It's happened to me and most of my male autistic friends as well. To me, this is common to autistic people in general, but as a man, I didn't get the sympathy I see women get when they say they were raped or coerced into sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:51 AM
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Some are, that's true. At the same time, I'd wager there is a bias there where people don't think of the fun autistic people as autistic. I used to be the life of the party in my college years before I settled down partly because I didn't get social norms and the highlight of most parties involved breaking of social norms in the right way, and I got good at that.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:49 AM
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The thing is, I'm socially extremely talented in metered interactions. I'm an aspie, and I've worked in customer service most of my life. The managers get me for the most difficult customers because I'm fucking good at those profoundly difficult but short interactions. The problem is that sometimes the mask slips and I put my foot in my mouth up to my knee. I'm very attractive to women when I'm masquerading, but sometimes the mask slips. This leads to extremely complicated situations that can be…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:46 AM
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Not trains, but totally accurate. I sperg constantly, and sometimes it works, but often it doesn't. I'm always insecure when I sperg that I'm just too much for people, but my fiancee appreciates my passion, even if she doesn't always fallow my passions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:35 AM
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As odd as it may be, I disagree (am autist). At times, my autistic not getting social norms has actually shielded me from pain. On top of that, there is a benefit from the stereotype of men as emotionless beasts that can help me when I just don't get some shit people are emotional about. I'd also say that them getting better results on average doesn't mean that they are getting more fulfillment from their relationship. The external ease doesn't mean the internal struggle is there. I say this fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:32 AM
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I'm a dude on the spectrum. Dating was hell for me. Getting a date was the worst. I was constantly friend zoned when I wasn't even looking for a relationship. After being friend zoned, I was abandoned for not accepting they wouldn't date me. This wasn't nearly as painful as when I actually was as interested in dating them as when they thought I wanted to date them and I didn't. When I actually got into a relationship, it typically lasted at least 2 years. It was never easy. There were miscommuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/12/19 06:22 AM
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There are literally initiatives to get women into STEM fields and scholarships for it. There are none for men. We just do it if we want to. Your comment is at odds with reality.
/r/MensRights09/12/19 11:21 AM
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I’m a long-time lurker. I’m really passionate about men’s rights. I’m also a teenage girl. I always just assumed that the stereotypes about men’s rights advocates being sexist incels was just bs, but looking at r/mgtow has made me worried. This sub isn’t like them, right? You guys aren’t misogynistic right? First of all, I'd like to lead with saying congratulations on getting up the nerve to post rather than just lurk. There are some people here with misogynistic views, but that isn't the norm, …
/r/MensRights09/12/19 07:06 AM
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That was my take on it having heard some of it.
/r/MensRights03/12/19 05:46 PM
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What other morals are you referring to? To me, that seems to be the most critical part that lacks any actual information. As it stands, it sounds to me like your issue is that she leans right and than you are more tribally in the left than you would like to admit.
/r/MensRights27/11/19 03:21 AM
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I am literally autistic and still caught the sarcasm and intent of his post.
/r/MensRights23/11/19 09:11 PM
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I find it hilarious that she says she went into it trying to write an article about the discrimination men face. Every day feminism has never written an article like that unless it was blaming men for the discrimination. On top of that, she accused people of selective fact finding which she was quite guilty of. She gets to most custody is decided out of court and decides it's what men want, too. She got to information that confirmed her bias and didn't ask any more questions. The fact is, divorc…
/r/MensRights17/11/19 12:05 AM
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It might overall, but on the study done on this sub, we lean slightly left of center on average.
/r/MensRights15/09/19 10:03 PM
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Citation needed. Like, seriously. Back your bullshit up with some sort of statistics or at least have to courage to attempt to defend your perspective against people who post stats proving you wrong. At this point, what you are arguing against is common knowledge supported by virtually every official governmental report and you basically said nu-uh as if it's an argument.
/r/MensRights15/09/19 09:58 PM
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It's funny how the bigger and stronger argument is only applied to women hitting men. If a guy a foot shorter and 50 pounds lighter than me hits me, no one would get mad when I got him back. If a puny dude hits a woman who is a foot taller and a body builder, no one would shame her for hitting him back. It's just a flimsy justification that is applied to avoid admitting to blatant sexism.
/r/MensRights15/09/19 09:53 PM
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Her style is out there, and a lot of people like her music for that reason. People who like her music seem to not even really listen to the lyrics in it.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 09:31 PM
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Hmm, that sounds retarded to me that you have to be a moderators of a group to report moderation abuse to admins for site wide rules violation. All the subs I know that violate site wide rules have all their mod team working in lockstep. Maybe that's why there's so much violation of sitewide rules by moderation staff.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 04:45 PM
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I legitimately don't see how awalt is different from all men (outside of societal acceptability) and think it would just take so long to explain because of the mental gymnastics it would take. I don't like generalizing people based on immutable characteristics of their birth.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 04:39 PM
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I'd report to admins for this. They obviously are violating some site wide rule in doing so. I assume shit wouldn't happen if you did, but it could be interesting seeing how admins respond to blatant mod abuse that is easy to verify via your post history.
/r/MensRights13/09/19 04:35 PM
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Accurate. They want to sow strife for their gains, and anything that could gain traction and cause strife, they will report on. It doesn't mean they are honest or lying, it just means you need to vet the information extra well because whatever they say, true or false, will be disruptive, and truth isn't their objective, disruption is.
/r/MensRights12/09/19 05:19 AM
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I probably post 10 times for every vote I make. I'm more curious how people vote to bias the public than I am in baising people via voting. Honestly, I hate vote systems in general because of how it encourages echo chamber behavior to vote farm. I only vote when a person is factually wrong or right based upon the context of the conversation and want to do more than just post. To me, if you just vote and don't speak, you're encouraging an echo chamber.
/r/MensRights12/09/19 01:30 AM
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I feel the same way. I actually almost never down vote here. I respond and give people room to justify their stance before I react. You got no down votes from me. I get hit hard from time to time, and I just roll with it. To me, if you always know if you will be down voted or up voted, it's not even worth posting.
/r/MensRights12/09/19 12:51 AM
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This is why I love this sub. There can be nuance and discussion. Two people can meet and have differing views and find a core we agree on within a post we both feel is wrong. It's not echo chamber, and I have a hard time finding that online.
/r/MensRights11/09/19 11:47 PM
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Oh yeah, I can agree he was a dick for putting it this way and making it a quid pro quo. At the same time, I understand his feelings on it, to an extent. I personally just ask for a date if I want to spend time with them. All I'm hoping for it to share a meal or event with good company, the rest is just a bonus. I just hate that my company isn't seen as valuable in dating and theirs is, at least in societal norms. Edit:. Ducking aoto cucumber thinks I mean duck when I say dick.
/r/MensRights11/09/19 11:10 PM
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Yeah, I saw this question, and I just felt her modified quote from war to suicide was the best answer because the core was men die, women most affected.
/r/MensRights11/09/19 10:20 PM
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Women have always been the primary victims of male suicide. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons to suicide.
/r/MensRights11/09/19 04:45 AM
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I hear the you ask you pay rule constantly, but it only seems to apply to dating where men are expected to ask. If I ask a friend if they wanna grab sushi with me, I'm not expected to pay. If a friend asks me, I don't expect them to pay. The expectation is everyone pays for themselves unless otherwise discussed. Why should dating be any different?
/r/MensRights11/09/19 04:39 AM
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Fucking nailed it. Should be too comment.
/r/MensRights11/09/19 03:35 AM
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That just isn't my experience, but I don't have good data to back it up, just anecdotal life experience. Most guys I know have friends that are more or less friends for life. They're assholes to eachother and insult each other constantly, but it's all in good fun. Women on the other hand seem to be much more friendly and supportive of eachother with words but not last as friends nearly as long. It's almost like much of female friendships are performative in nature and not as close as they act. I…
/r/MensRights09/09/19 06:36 PM
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Are you referring to the game developer who was accused by Zoe Quinn recently? That's the most recent example that comes to mind but I want to say I've seen a couple others over the past few years.
/r/MensRights09/09/19 06:19 PM
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You know what, I'm going to just do this because once again, glutton for punishment. Here on, I'm just going to chop your post paragraph by paragraph and respond. I say cute all the time it is my way of deescalating the situation and making it less serious so I’m sorry that I offended you. I will make note. Also there’s nothing wrong with the word cute. I’m sure you’re cute. “Saying a suicidal man should just get therapy erases that problem and pretend it’s an easy solution” that is you implying…
/r/MensRights09/09/19 08:58 AM
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I mean, yeah. It is wrong that men are seen as more expendable in modern society, but evolution and biology are dumb as fuck. We see it that way now because it was true when extinction of tribes due to war and predators was a real threat. In the modern era, this is untrue, but evolution never keeps pace with the mind. To me, social events focused on the mind and not abstracted from reality need to push this message. Pissing the message through abstraction and fiction will never be as good as pra…
/r/MensRights09/09/19 08:32 AM
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It's all good. I tend to wax philosophical after a long day and am never sure if I'm talking over people's heads or just not being clear with my thoughts.
/r/MensRights09/09/19 07:42 AM
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I get you there. I'm autistic, so I can be a bit of a harpy on clear communication because I'm so used to miscommunication. My attitude is just that society in general puts that down and that media reenforcing it isn't ever going to be the core issue rather than a symptom. Media strives to be relatable, and as such, even the undesirable parts of modern society will be portrayed as a shortcut to make the story more relatable in spite of the fantastical nature of the narrative. It's kind of like h…
/r/MensRights09/09/19 06:48 AM
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Male disposability WAS a biolgical fact. Population isn't an issue humanity currently faces. Males were disposable because it took very few men to repopulate in a crisis. That isn't a threat any more, but our biological and evolutionary history makes us feel it's just fact. The problem is, times have changed and biology is dumb. It's now more common to suffer from a lack of productivity than a lack of reproductive capability, and I challenge you to find a study that isn't bat shit crazy that sho…
/r/MensRights09/09/19 06:21 AM
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Don't get me wrong. I have no Ill will with you. I just hope for clarity in communication to help make the truth shine through. Don't take my responses as animosity. I just want the facts to shine and will attack people I agree with if their language isn't clear.
/r/MensRights09/09/19 05:53 AM
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Honestly, do you not see how leading off with calling my opinions cute isn't dismissive as hell? Additionally, you're saying I implied going to therapy is easy when I said quite the opposite. You think I'm reading into things you say too far, but you're finding readings of my words that are the literal opposite. That's just the response to your first few lines of your post. I'm not even going to bother reading the rest because you're self righteous, egotistical, and just all around unpleasant to…
/r/MensRights08/09/19 11:09 PM
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We may have had a miscommunication. I'm saying that death in games and movies are so much more common because people already view us as disposable. It is a symptom of the problem rather than the cause and masking the symptoms by changing or censoring games and movies won't change the underlying problem of male disposability.
/r/MensRights08/09/19 09:34 PM
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You are totally dismissing the core thrust of my argument and responding with an unrelated anecdote. I never said therapy was easy. I said therapy is typically based upon the model of the female mind and when practiced on men using that model, it can be dangerous. I also talked about the empathy gap and the way people dismiss the struggles of men. You then led off with a condescending comment dismissing my struggles essentially making yourself an example of one of the problems I spoke on. I'm be…
/r/MensRights08/09/19 09:31 PM
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I just want to say that you're making a common fallacy I see a lot here. People often say why are you talking about this when you should be talking about that. People here talk about both things. In fact, the woeful state of the mental health industry is one of our talking points. Most therapy is driven on the model of the female mind and either doesn't work well for most men or is actively detrimental. Saying a suicidal man should just get therapy erases that problem and pretends it's an easy s…
/r/MensRights08/09/19 06:46 PM
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As much as I dislike the prohibition via outrage of women or children being killed/killable in games, I see your logic as flawed. There are studies over the past 30 years that show violence, sexism, etc in games an media don't actually cause those changes in real life. Art emulates reality, not the other way around. These games and movies don't normalize male disposability. Male disposability is the societal norm and games and movies are merely portraying a norm. To claim it is the other way aro…
/r/MensRights08/09/19 06:26 PM
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We should all apply the 666 rule. Over 6 ft all, over 6 inch dick, 6 figure income, just how all women should be...
/r/MensRights07/09/19 09:06 PM
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Pressure without any sort of illicit act isn't sexual assault or rape. Don't get me wrong, pressuring a person for sex is generally a dick move, but it's not criminal without something like blackmail, threats, etc. If a person can refuse consent and or leave, they should do so. It's too much of a grey area for it to be legally reasonable to criminalize it, and to rush that way strips autonomy from the equation.
/r/MensRights07/09/19 06:01 PM
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Totally fair and respectable. My goal here is to not be an echo chamber. I want people to be able to respectfully call out statements that aren't supported in order to steel man each other and make our arguments better and less tribalistic.
/r/MensRights06/09/19 10:24 PM
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It was an easy enough set up that it was honestly hard to resist. I'm of the opinion that any joke can be told, but there are times and places where specific types of jokes should not be told. To me, male body shaming is a joke I avoid here because I view this as a support group of sorts and don't want to bring the shit that drove people here to here. I make plenty of small dick jokes with my friends who aren't insecure about their size. Then again, I make big dick jokes, too. Now there is a wea…
/r/MensRights06/09/19 09:15 PM
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I avoided that because as much as the comedy is good, I avoid body shaming men here. Don't get me wrong, I wanted that joke, it just felt wrong place wrong time.
/r/MensRights06/09/19 06:46 AM
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Totally fair. I'm not going to argue there. I just felt you overplayed your hand and wanted to point out where I saw that. Our arguments get better when we can politely disagree.
/r/MensRights06/09/19 06:04 AM
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The vagina being torn up just doesn't make sense to me. If use tore them up, my woman I've been with for over a decade would be torn up, and she's not. Muscle tone and comfort level has far more of an impact on a woman's vagina than number of partners. I'm not tearing apart your premise of men generally not wanting marriage as they get older or men generally not wanting a partner who has slept around too much. I just don't see good evidence for that case about vaginas getting torn up that way th…
/r/MensRights06/09/19 05:27 AM
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I mean, I like her standing up for him, but the assault isn't okay. Women should not be able to assault people without repercussions any more than men should be able to.
/r/MensRights06/09/19 05:21 AM
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The way I see it, it was akin to the whole it's okay to be white fiasco. It was mostly done to cause outrage among feminists so they say shit that makes them sound crazy and hateful. That being said, it's just first amendment at work. We don't need the Macy's parade on Thanksgiving, but we do it. Not needing something is very different than saying it shouldn't happen. Freedom of speech and assembly counts acts of speech that are pointless just as much as speech with good cause. This isn't to say…
/r/MensRights01/09/19 10:34 PM
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It's all just hearsay, and we shouldn't join in on people happy that he "got what he deserved" jus because he's a part of a group against the MRM. We don't know the truth and probably never will. We don't know what allegations are real and what ones are fake. I know I don't like the dude, but it's the principle. Internet vigilantism is bad, even when it picks the "right" target, it still ruins due process. Suicide is a tragedy, even when the "right" man kills himself.
/r/MensRights01/09/19 10:28 PM
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I'm sure this will be unpopular and downvoted to hell, but so the fuck what? He's dead. Her actions don't effect him in any way. Honestly, if I suddenly died, I wouldn't give a fuck if my fiancee went fuck wild. It's possible she was just having comfort sex. As far as I'm concerned, once a relationship is over, you do whatever to move on with your life. It doesn't matter how it ended, it did. This isn't about gender at all. I'm sure the gap exists in how people responded, but I personally don't …
/r/MensRights31/08/19 03:10 AM
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There are medical conditions that make a person prone to obesity such as thyroid issues. On top of that, chronic pain with thyroid issue can make it virtually impossible to be a healthy weight. That being said, it's probably only about 0.01% of obese people that have a solid medical reason for obesity besides their life choices, and even within those groups, a mobility scooter is questionable because it doesn't help resolve the underlying issue.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 11:54 PM
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When I hear someone say happy wife, happy life, I always counter with happy spouse, happy house. I might need to add no wife, awesome life to my counters.
/r/MensRights30/08/19 11:48 PM
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This article is begging for a gender swap rewrite if someone wants to get banned somewhere for hate speech. She is bitching about all men because the men she chooses fail her standards and it couldn't be her choices or her standards, it must be all men.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 08:13 AM
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That's the thing. He was being portrayed as a bad person here. It is totally fine to portray a bad person in media. It's especially fine if you don't make him out as right for being bad. They can be complex and loved, too. Characters need to be able to have naunce and bad for a good story.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 07:57 AM
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Have you considered reporting this user? I'm pretty sure harassment and stalking is against the rules. I know it's Reddit and bias, but might as well try.
/r/MensRights29/08/19 07:42 AM
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While I conceptually agree any defense of him would look bad as he's almost certainly guilty, it sucks that you can't defend rights absent the person in modern political discourse. Even the worst kinds of people deserve fundamental human rights because to not do so is to acknowledge that rights are optional and not fundamental. Once the worst not deserving rights is accepted, it is far easier to slippery slope and justify an ever moving line of who deserves rights and who doesn't. I'm not saying…
/r/MensRights27/08/19 04:54 PM
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Totally fair. I see him as closer to a Warren Farrel style MRA than a Paul Elam style MRA. I'd wager he's aligned with the sub as a whole but one the more polite and patient fringe. I lean towards that fringe as well, but I've also got some of Paul's matter of fact argumentative side that comes out from time to time. To me both sides of this sub reach different kinds of people and without both, we wouldn't have made as much progress in social perceptions of we didn't have both sides and a nice b…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 07:56 PM
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I mean, I get all that. The phrasing of the rules could be better, but I also get what the rules probably mean. I'm just a stickler on rules being direct and explicit because cry bullies are fucking awful and rules that aren't concise enough give them power.
/r/MensRights26/08/19 07:29 PM
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Sperging out online is just what I do. I'd seen his posts here in the past look a bit concern troll and wanted to know more on his actual post history and possible intent. You said something I wondered, so I got unlazy and did the research for myself and decided to give you a snippet of the results.
/r/MensRights26/08/19 07:28 PM
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What does this mean? Are you attacking something? Weaponizing autism usually refers to obsessing on details that would bore the shit out of a neurotypical person. I doubt most people would spend the effort to skim months of history over shit for something they don't care much about. Resolve what? You implied he might be men's lib. That's generally an accusation here. I wanted to resolve if he's primarily here or invading from men's lib.
/r/MensRights26/08/19 07:18 PM
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True, but people saying they are feminists often only say so because they're fairly apolitical and don't know anything beyond the definition and feels it describes them. People claiming the label because of the definition and pop culture just aren't the same as people in power worshiping at the altar of wahmen. I just go with the mantra of hate the feminism, not the feminist.
/r/MensRights26/08/19 06:36 PM
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I decided to weaponize my autism and resolve this. I combed his post history, and he made one concern trollish post on this sub 6 months ago related to men's lib. In his comments, he's been active here for a while and I didn't see any men's lib comments in the past couple of months. Outside of that, it's commenting in posts about anime, video games, etc. He also made a comment in twoxchromosomes pointing out men's issues with dress code in a thread about women's work dress code. In short, I don'…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 06:33 PM
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I mean, I get where both of you are coming from. On one hand, I did martial arts and the kiai (the shouts martial arts do) seem to make a legitimate physiological response that helps. Also, when lifting to burn out, grunting is just natural. On top of that, yelling when setting a new max weight is a thing that happens because of all the adrenaline. On the other hand, some gym douches love to tell to make it seem like they're working out harder, and that just annoys the piss out of me. If you are…
/r/MensRights26/08/19 06:18 PM
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Ahh yes, the no true communist fallacy. The fact is, what happened with Stalin is more or less what happens under all communism. An authoritarian state takes over to promote equality and then proceeds to corrupt the system so the oligarchs live well and the peasants suffer.
/r/MensRights25/08/19 11:55 PM
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I don't think that's what most MRAs feel. I know I don't want the leave it to beaver era back. Traditional male gender responsibilities make up much what MRAs see as discriminatory against men. It's worse now that men are expected to help with the female gender roles responsibilities, but that doesn't mean I think the traditional gender roles were great for men. I'd love it if I could be a home maker and not scorned as not a real man. I've worked child care, and I'm handy AF around the house. I'…
/r/MensRights25/08/19 11:53 PM
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I always just called it bitch bagging. They're being a bitch by taking up a seat for a bag. People talk about manspreading as asserting dominance over space, but honestly bitch bagging fits that far better because most women doing so, if pushed, will admit they do so to prevent a strange man from sitting beside them.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 12:59 AM
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Not really a good response. Even if you disagree with him for his past, showing him a total lack of empathy at a critical juncture where his perspective is changing doesn't do you, him, or the MRM any good. It's just tribalistic bullshit.
/r/MensRights24/08/19 12:56 AM
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That is what they mean by be informed. It doesn't matter if you cite research or anything else, if your opinion is different than them, you're either ignorant or hateful. I just avoid bothering to talk with people like that on their turf because discussion isn't actually possible with such rules.
/r/FeminismStopsWhen23/08/19 11:26 PM
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Earnings Gap is different from pay gap. It's been said hundreds of times. If you compare apples to apples in the under 35 age range, women often outearn men and this trend only reverses as more women leave the workforce to raise kids. Call that oppression if you want. I just know society doesn't want men as home makers and women having choice being touted as oppression doesn't sit well with me.
/r/MensRights23/08/19 01:01 AM
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And I'm just saying if you think bout this sub as a hyper masculine sub, you've obviously not read through the sub. Lots of posts are men showing pain and vulnerability, behavior that is definitely not hyper masculine.
/r/MensRights23/08/19 12:59 AM
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It is quite the challenge to do enough straw manning, mental gymnastics, and stereotyping to call people here stupid in spite of how much hard data floats through here on a daily basis.
/r/MensRights23/08/19 12:57 AM
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Yes because a man being unhappy about the treatment of men makes them gay as opposed to it being about wanting sex with other men... Fact is, this sub has a fair amount of gay men and making this out to be about repressed homosexual urges is pretty insane. If you want to have an actual discussion I'm game but you seem to just be a low effort troll with a stupid premise.
/r/MensRights23/08/19 12:55 AM
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And I was being sarcastic to point out the insanity of how pervasive such comparisons are. I don't know why it is treated as reasonable.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 10:39 PM
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I dunno, ask the media and agenda driven researchers.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 10:34 PM
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Remember, if you see a problem women have, you don't need to compare it to men, just quantify it and then say it's a disadvantage compared to men.
/r/MensRights15/08/19 09:34 PM
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I mean, I get her point of view, but she was an asshole who handles it wrong. If I thought someone might be willing to drug my drink and rape me, I wouldn't be at their place at all. Additionally, if I was in her exact shoes, I'd have made an excuse to be polite rather than make it obviously an accusation. She could have declined the drink looking to sober up. She could have said she wanted a different drink. She could have said she prefers vodka or gin martini, whichever he didn't make. Long st…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 06:03 PM
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While she didn't directly accuse him, it's obvious why she said what she did and it was an implied accusation. Everyone understood that. The people who are with him think it was fucked up he got accused like that. The people attacking him said she was in the right to make the assumption her drink could be drugged. What other reason would she ask her friend if she saw the drink made than to check if it was drugged? That action alone is a soft accusation when done in front of the guy who made her …
/r/MensRights15/08/19 05:54 PM
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I was actually just coming here to post this because I just saw it and wanted to see if it was already posted. I mean, if people were saying everyone sucks I could get it even though I disagree he did anything wrong. The thing is, accusing someone of planning on drugging and raping you is an asshole move. Even if anyone could be a rapist, treating an individual like a rapist with no evidence is just shitty. On top of all that, I'd have acted much like he did. If you make a low level accusation l…
/r/MensRights15/08/19 05:50 PM
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I mean, I can get what you're saying, and if feminism didn't claim a monopoly on all social issues, I'd probably agree with you. The problem is, feminism as an ideology claims to be the one path to equality for all people and then focuses on fixing women's issues above all else. It even uses other groups issues to prop up privileged first world women's issues. A feminist can be for real equality, but feminism as a movement is not.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 10:17 PM
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Yeah, that's more or less my tactic. Thanks for the good wishes. I'm gonna go pass out now because the birds are chirping and I should sleep.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 10:44 AM
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Yeah, a big part of my therapy was codependency issues, and I've learned a lot there. A big part of why I love my fiancee is she was a driving force to get me to acknowledge that issue and fix it. I just can see no tactical or logical reason that she would help me fix the issue she could easiest use against me unless she actually loves me, and after 13 years, I have to conclude that she is benevolent in her intent considering how little financial incentive she has and how wealthy her ex before m…
/r/MensRights14/08/19 10:00 AM
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Been there, done that. Fortunately I know enough good people that won't tolerate others mistreating me, eventually the behaviors rubbed off on me. I don't tolerate people mistreating me. It was a struggle, but I've learned how to walk that line. I'm far more socially isolated, but I have people around me and I'm learning what it is to be happy. Doesn't feel right to drag out your personal details so some douchebag can climb through your post history and use it as a weapon. Nah, that's not how it…
/r/MensRights14/08/19 09:44 AM
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Way too late for that. I've just suffered enough that it takes a lot to hurt me. I can go into details if you actually care, but I've just been hated and unloved enough that any close connection is amazing to me, and it doesn't hurt that she touches my penis. I've come to terms with the fact that I may care too much and may be too nice, but it doesn't make me less of a man than the men who have grown colder through their suffering rather than going the way I did. Edit:. Honestly, being too good …
/r/MensRights14/08/19 09:33 AM
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I generally agree. That is why I'm talking about prenuptials as well as taking it slow. I've been very clear about the fact that I see marriage as a legal contract and little else. I've said being religiously married without legal paperwork is fine. I just see marriage in general as insecurity. When has anyone ever said, "this is going really well, but legal paperwork and process would make it better" unless they use the word marriage as a shortcut?
/r/MensRights14/08/19 09:25 AM
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I can see divorce as a possibility if I get married, but I'm poor enough and she has been around long enough that I don't see that as a likely risk paired with the fact that you can't squeeze blood out of a stone. Money has never been my focus. I'm just looking for companionship, and she has provided it for long enough that if I'm merely being naive, I'll take my lumps and learn.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 09:22 AM
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It's all good, I've done far worse and our user names are only a few letters apart right at the end, so it was an easy mistake to make.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 03:01 AM
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Oh, I assume fully, but I'm taking him at face value and treating him as if I actually assume the best because that's how you can create conversation and I would love him to actually try to support my of his claims. Then I'd have something to factually dispute and could have some fun ripping apart his arguments after work let's me leave.
/r/MensRights14/08/19 01:11 AM
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And insulting people while strawmanning us is what you see as in our interest? I seriously have a hard time believing you think your conduct here would ever help anyone. How do you expect to change people's view to your more enlightened viewpoint if your only tactic seems to be shaming people without backing up your perspective in rational conversation?
/r/MensRights13/08/19 11:55 PM
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That's the problem,you misunderstand what I want to argue. I want to argue against the premise of patriarchy you asserted, and as such, I want you to define that term. Your idea that we can't have a discussion until I agree with the fundamental tennant of an opposing ideology I disagree with isn't valid. Hell, most views outside of here require you to accept patriarchy theory for them to make any sense. So once again, I ask, could you define patriarchy for me so we can at least have a mutual und…
/r/MensRights13/08/19 11:39 PM
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I think you may have mistaken me for the OP. I was asking him to define patriarchy because he asserts you'd have to be crazy to deny it, so I want to know his definition before I argue we aren't in a patriarchy.
/r/MensRights13/08/19 11:35 PM
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They argue that is the definition, but the organizations and academic feminists say equality while acting in ways such as opposing shared parenting assumption bills that is contrary to the definition.
/r/MensRights13/08/19 09:17 PM
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I'm at work, so I don't have time to do a full deconstruction of that comment and source my information. Before I get back home tonight, could you define patriarchy for me so I'm sure we're using the same definition of the word and I'm not just jousting with a straw man?
/r/MensRights13/08/19 09:16 PM
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I miss the days where harassment required repetition after being told to stop, you know, the definition of the word. I mean I can get it being not that way for doing something like asking a coworker "wanna fuck" but asking a person on a date or complimenting them shouldn't be harassment unless you're told to stop and don't.
/r/MensRights12/08/19 08:35 PM
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I mean, I get where you are coming from, but a lot of the outrage I see on things like this seems to come less from the story itself and more from the fact that people outrage harder over a shirt on a scientist, dongle jokes at a tech conference, and manspreading than they do over shit like this. Shitty people are everywhere. That's not a problem that will ever be resolved. It's just infuriating when one kind of shitty is ignored or even condoned because of ideology and rhetoric.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 04:05 PM
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But seriously, no major ill will. You do you, imma do me. Happy trails. I just get salty in my rhetoric when I find I'm trying to spend effort reading and responding and the person admits they weren't doing the same. Have a nice day.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 04:00 PM
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Fair enough. I don't think you owe me anything, I was just throwing your own logic back at you. Have fun being a hypocrite who lacks empathy.
/r/MensRights11/08/19 03:52 PM
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See, here's where I say you're the one who lacks empathy. You started off by saying the classes teach empathy and I lack empathy. Now you're blatantly saying that you don't actually care enough to read my full posts before you ramble off unrelated responses. Your behavior is more or less the definition of egocentrism with a lack of empathy. If you aren't interested enough to actually read the posts you respond to, you'd be far better not wasting your time responding, you know, since you aren't i…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 03:46 PM
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And I think you failed at reading comprehension. I took these classes years ago. I didn't argue with the teacher because I saw how they responded to that and I just wanted to get my A and get out. If anything, the only good I felt it did for me was making it clear to me how lopsided the ideology of some professors were and how to argue against it irl. I don't feel it was worth the time or money outside of the fact that it gave credit I needed towards my degree. Pretty much all the classes focuse…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 03:36 PM
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Dude, I actually haven't downvoted you a single time. Other people in the thread think you are an asshole and downvoting you rather than responding like I am. I don't know if it is me failing to express myself well or if you're failing at reading comprehension. I don't have issues with a lack of empathy. That's not a symptom 100% of autistic people have. I have significantly worse problems with codependency than I do with lack of empathy. I tend to over empathize and get overwhelmed and not take…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 03:14 PM
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The thing, at least for me, is I wanted higher accuracy in mate selection rather than higher odds of success over all. I enjoy being single, and it takes a special lady to make me want to give that up. Having a partner wasn't a priority to me, so carpet bombing for dates wasn't worth the effort to me. If you don't want to be single, your tactic is totally reasonable. On the other hand, if you enjoy being single and are open to not being single for the right woman, my tactic can work out quite we…
/r/MensRights11/08/19 04:13 AM
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To me, if he's not comfortable with it, he shouldn't be forced to or shamed. It's possible that the right answer is just to break up because of sexual compatability and find a partner who is more compatible. If she's comfortable going down on him and he's not comfortable going down on her, he shouldn't have to do sexual acts he's uncomfortable with, but she shouldn't have to stay in a relationship where her sex life isn't fulfilling.
/r/MensRights10/08/19 09:13 PM
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See, I think men should have the option to not train women if it is their religious beliefs, but at the same time, they should not take a job that their religious beliefs render them unable to do completely. Don't expect the world around you to change for your beliefs, change your own life so you can live a life in line with your beliefs.
/r/MensRights10/08/19 09:10 PM
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I just don't see how asking first gives any better odds of finding someone I get along with on an emotional level. I also don't see how it comes to that outcome with less investment of energy or money. Yeah, you can get someone you're emotionally compatible with by just asking everyone you find attractive or interesting early, but the odds are most just won't be compatible because most people aren't. To me it just makes more sense to have an idea of someone is worth my effort before asking them.…
/r/MensRights10/08/19 05:19 PM
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The cost benefit analysis always comes out in favor of asking first. You have what... 20 female friends.. if you ask one a month, you'll go through them all in under 2 years. If none of them return your feelings, then what... you go seek new friends in hopes of romantic interest? The asking up front can encounter hundreds a year. Not all of those will be ideal, but the chances of finding someone they are compatible with is much higher than yours. 100's is a much better chance than 20. The issue …
/r/MensRights09/08/19 11:19 PM
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No, it's not. Your assumptions assume that I am a problem or have ever fit in. I'm autistic. My comfort zone is isolation. I'm always outside of my comfort zone and vilifying me based on my race isn't going to make me empathic any more than me vilifying black people would make them empathize with white people. It's a bullshit justification that has no evidence of effectiveness. In my opinion, which is every bit as valid as yours until you support it, is that this method of teaching inspires divi…
/r/MensRights09/08/19 11:06 PM
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What you say there is very good. The two pieces of advice are night and day different. The second one is how I handled my dating strategy. The first one is a great way to sink years of your life into suffering and heartbreak. Never be a girl's friend just because you want to date her. If you want to date her and don't see just friends being a good fit, ask her out and get it over with. If she seems to make a good friend, enjoy the friendship and decide if it's worth the risk to change the dynami…
/r/MensRights09/08/19 07:22 PM
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My question is how you can define women as more vulnerable than men. With all the social programs and affirmative action targeting women, they're less vulnerable than men are now. This isn't even covering the empathy gap (scientifically proven) that treats women victims are more deserving of help than men. With a lack of governmental support and societal support for men, a rational analysis could be made that men are the more vulnerable gender in modern society. With that in mind, why do you fee…
/r/MensRights09/08/19 06:48 PM
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sounds like your school didn’t do a good job of connecting the dots and giving a full picture. My school is pretty well known for being a high tier school in terms of racial studies and gender studies. Their curriculum is considered gold standard in those subjects. It's not that they didn't do good job connecting the dots. It's that they have an agenda to push and won't present perspectives that conflict.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 06:38 PM
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I mean, I tend to agree just because the nation is plurality white in the same way I'd say Japanese is the default cultural lense in Japan. It's not that extreme, but I feel it's a reasonable analogy. The thing is, when you look at the US, culture is more compartmentalized. It's pretty impossible to view the white people in the US as a singular culture without being racist or extremely ignorant. Anyone who thinks a white people from California, Texas, Alabama, New York, or Hawii are interchangab…
/r/MensRights09/08/19 05:53 PM
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Fair enough, but that’s not the common experience. Very true. The only reason I brought it up is to make it clear that I had an atypical school experience that may color my perspective Whiteness is the default. Being the root of all wrong sounds like a cartoonishly gross exageration It may sound like a cartoonishly gross exaggeration, but the class did, too. For example, saying that people don't call the cops because the cops only oppress nonwhite people and support hegemonic whiteness. There wa…
/r/MensRights09/08/19 04:54 PM
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Naturally. I'm just opposed to the idea that the tactic is a result of men dating how women teach them to date. The big thing is that men need to do a cost benefit and risk analysis for dating tactics that works for how they are bolted together and not let others decide for them what the right way for them to date is.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 04:42 PM
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No, but I'm in a stable relationship I've been in for 13 years. We're engaged, but she respected my wishes to take things slow in that way as well as to have a long engagement. I'd consider my strategy to have worked out well for me.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 04:20 PM
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I have. I went to a highschool where being white made me the minority. I also went to college and anything they called diversity wound up being a class, seminar, or lecture about whiteness being the default and therefore whiteness is the root of all that is wrong in the west. I'm not a white nationalist or white supremacist. I'm just speaking on what I saw in those kinds of settings and how not productive they were in terms of actual education when I endured them.
/r/MensRights09/08/19 04:14 PM
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I'm not sure if my opinion here will be unpopular, but I fully disagree with what you say. I had a dad, and what you said is close to how I dated. I didn't do it because of women teaching me how to date. I did it that way because I wanted a woman who was worth more than sex to me and lower risk when sex happened. You can be friends with multiple women at once, and if the woman isn't worth being friends with they're not worth dating or worth the risk of having sex with. Dating in that way can hel…
/r/MensRights09/08/19 04:08 PM
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I try to avoid bringing up women all together when I do MRA stuff because I know people are going to say what about the women no matter what I say, so why make it easier for them to derail to talking about women or say I hate women?
/r/MensRights09/08/19 02:34 AM
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True, but a law was passed against using the same standards in medical insurance where women are more likely to incur large costs and use the insurance more often. If we used consistent costs based on actuarial charts for all insurance, it would be fine, but insurance will charge men extra as a group while not doing the same to women. There is literally a law in the US that makes doing this to women illegal, but when it comes to men it's just fair that we pay more.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 11:30 PM
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I tend to behave that way in general because getting people to listen to an unpopular opinion takes a lot more decorum. I'm the type who will be civil and try to have a dialogue with crazy people in public. This is because when I remain calm and civil, bystanders are more likely to empathize with me than the crazy I'm talking to. The big thing is to not engage if you can't do so respectfully. Getting mad back just lets them play the victim in public and make us look bad. I could see benefit to c…
/r/MensRights08/08/19 11:27 PM
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I'll throw out the idea to some of my nerdy MRA friends on discord and see if there's any interest. I know a lot of people travel quite a ways to get to the con, so I might be able to also use this to meet some of my more distant MRA friends in person.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 06:10 PM
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The part that pisses me off is that insurance is based upon actuarial charts so, in the past, women were charged more for medical insurance because women cost insurance companies more than men do. Car insurance is the other way around. I could accept that assessing risk based on group data. It's not fair to the individual, but it's the most fair way to assess risk and make insurance profitable. The problem is, in the US, it was deemed discriminatory to use actuarial charts to charge women more f…
/r/MensRights08/08/19 05:56 PM
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I might actually show up for that as long as it's chill enough. I don't feel like being loud and agro about it would work out with the climate at dragon con, but a chill awareness demonstration focused more on men's issues than women's advantages could help, and it's only a quick run down the express way for me to get there.
/r/MensRights08/08/19 05:50 PM
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Fatherless sons on SSRIs tend to make up the majority. I'd wager the SSRI connection is modifying brain chemistry requires close psychological attention and the empathy gap makes the doctors miss the emotional damage the wrong SSRI can cause. I know when I was on the wrong SSRI, I was overwhelmed with apathy. I contemplated suicide because I didn't care about living. I debated a lot of fucked up shit because of the apathy it caused me. I could see that paired with a lack of psychological support…
/r/MensRights08/08/19 05:14 AM
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I don't think people realize how often an overdose is actually a suicide attempt rather than just a mistake.
/r/MensRights07/08/19 07:12 PM
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I think more focus is better for movements. When a movement expands to a large array of focuses, it tends to get chaotic at best and corrupt more often. A big problem with feminism is that it proclaims to be focused on all human rights and then uses that to have moral high ground and then proceeds to focus on just women. Men's rights works how it does because it focuses on just men's rights. While men's rights encompasses a range of issues, there is more focus and it allows people to talk issues…
/r/MensRights05/08/19 07:57 AM
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This person seems like a total count. She is dismissing everyone who disagrees with mutilating infants as bigots, and that's just insanity. I don't see how some people think "let's not cut healthy bits off babies" is an offensive stance.
/r/MensRights03/08/19 10:20 PM
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I'll be good with that when women do 50% of the financial and handy work.
/r/MensRights02/08/19 08:37 PM
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Your argument just isn't sound. People always portray the worst forms of FGM and the least bad forms of MGM. Circumcision would be most akin to removal of the clitoral hood. In both cases, they serve to protect a a part of the anatomy from desensitization. Removal of the foreskin removes most of the penile nerves and exposes most of the remainder to desensitization. Also, the death rate difference comes from FGM being done almost exclusively in poor medical conditions in the third world and MGM …
/r/MensRights01/08/19 09:10 PM
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When I was a kid, it was rubber balls on a blacktop court. People did get injured, and it hurt getting hit sometimes, but that was how it was. Obviously there were rules about no headshots, but it still happened occasionally. The thing is, no one sued over it. The ability to bounce the balls, a thing foam balls can't do, made the game more interesting. Don't get me wrong, things going safer isn't bad, but the safety over fun mentality makes children's games a hell of a lot less fun than when I w…
/r/MensRights01/08/19 06:45 PM
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That would require them to make a claim that can be analyzed for nuance, explanation, and and falsification, so I doubt that. So far, they're relying on assertions of broad generalizations that aren't really possible to disprove.
/r/MensRights01/08/19 02:29 AM
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You are judging him as uneducated because he disagrees with you. That's a bullshit tactic that assumes you are right without proving your perspective. If you really think women have been so oppressed and men have had privilege, give examples of this. Most of them I've heard don't stand up to my actual scrutiny and focus on trends rather than opportunity. Unequal outcome doesn't mean unequal opportunity. Many cases where it seems like it was oppression, it was a case of men having one path and wo…
/r/MensRights31/07/19 10:58 PM
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Fragile masculinity if the flip side of Toxic masculinity and their way of making a catch 22. If you express emotions they don't like or don't express emotions they want to you to, it's one term or the other. The only way to avoid these attacks is to be utterly subservient to them an their ideology, and even then, it's not enough if they're looking for a fight. The goal is to demonize men without admitting it by demonizing literally anything a man can do using fuzzy terminology. That way they ca…
/r/MensRights31/07/19 08:19 PM
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Agree fully. I'm just on my day off and feeling lazy, so I'm glad you threw this shit out to save me the effort.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 08:34 PM
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Totally good. I'm just an autist who spergs out on shit. You just responded and drew me back in, and I sperged more. Didn't actually feel like you were disagreeing with me, but spergs will sperg.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 05:31 PM
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Well... Yeah. I get that. I get it even on first wave which makes me a bit radical even here. I don't think it was ever about equality, but it's their constant framework they claim to espouse, and I want to dismantle that lie.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 05:22 PM
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It really is amazing to me that feminists claiming to be fighting for equality are so fast to dismiss female agency to blame men. If anything, the place women lack equality to men it is responsibility and admission of agency.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 04:10 PM
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I was groomed and molested from about 5 to 15 years old. Slightly older male abuser tracing back to the Catholic Church in the community having a priest that molested the altar boys. There was pretty much any form of sexual act you can imagine at some point int there. The confusion of sexual identity is pretty bad knowing I've had more gay sex than straight sex and at the same time know that i'm primarily attracted to women. Probably the worst ones I can think that I still flash back to is being…
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:38 PM
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I'm more stuck on that sub being such a cesspool. People are getting massive upvotes for saying dress code shit for short shorts is sexist and men don't deal with the length of their shirts in dress cones. Meanwhile the people bringing up dress codes where women can wear shorts and skirts but men must wear long pants are being downvoted into the negatives.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 09:03 AM
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I haven't read anything like that, but it's interesting and I should see what my Google Fu finds there.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 07:37 AM
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In this thread, I see casual sexism followed with an afterthought of casual racism. The casual racism is far more acceptable because it's just asking for an option and not asking for special treatment of a group, but either way, reviewer seems like a total class act. (Hopefully my sarcasm isn't missed here)
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:58 AM
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Yeah, I'm an open book on it after 20 years of therapy. It's still heavy to me and hurts, but a lot of my isolation is feeling like I'm not allowed to talk about it. I don't want to force my story on anyone because I don't want people to hurt for me and just spread the hurt, but anyone who wants details, I'm more than happy to give details on anything about the experience. Honestly, I still have a hard time believing my reality is real in spite of even my victimizer confirming it.
/r/MensRights29/07/19 03:54 AM
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Yeah, I bring that up in work regularly. I don't bitch and raise hell, but when I get asked to help because I'm tall or strong, I bring up the fact that they rely on men's strength and height regularly and it can be a complicating factor for my life. It's not any way my chosing to be tall. It's just an asset I bring that isn't valued. My strength, though, is a major asset I bring that took much effort to have. I still feel weak as fuck after spraining my spine in 2 places. They told me I'd never…
/r/MensRights28/07/19 11:48 PM
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As a rape victim, can confirm. It has fucked me up for almost 30 years. The anxiety and fear paired with an orgasm so good that sex not feels like a pale immitation. The trauma comes from how good the orgasm I didn't want was and the fact that I can't get it from sex I want.
/r/MensRights28/07/19 11:24 PM
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I know when I had sex Ed in the late 90s rape only came up as men toward women. From what I've read, it has only gotten worse, but I lack first hand knowledge to confirm, just a multitude of first hand account.
/r/MensRights28/07/19 11:22 PM
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I mean, I agree we should pay men and women the same amount for the same work. The problem is, they need to acknowledge the gap between men and women at the same job holding the same title. At least in my jobs, a lot of work falls to the men for physical reasons, and the women earn what the men do. In my job, the have equal or better pay, but they aren't doing equal work.
/r/MensRights28/07/19 11:06 PM
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I mean, to me it is an argument of semantics. If you have many people calling themselves feminists who are egalitarians, you could consider that to be them not being feminists taking a title they don't understand. On the other hand, you could consider them a fraction of feminism that does believe that. At the end of the day, feminism as a power structure gives benefit to misandrists and minimizes the power of egalitarians. We can argue over if they are actually feminist or not, but I don't care …
/r/MensRights27/07/19 07:11 AM
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They exist as the useful idiots in the movement who are just educated enough to buy into the PR but not educated enough to see what feminism is really about at the top. I know quite a few egalitarians who claim the title of feminist because they believe the definition. Honestly, they're probably near the majority of feminists. The problem is the more activist or powerful a feminist is within the movement the more likely they are to be a female supremacist. At the top levels, the odds are basical…
/r/MensRights27/07/19 04:02 AM
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This summarizes much of how I feel about it. If OP is someone who actually cares about gender issues on both sides, I'm happy to discuss and hear her perspectives because I value anyone who understands and cares about men's issues. Honestly, I'm willing to discuss gender issues with anyone as long as they are willing to speak in good faith and keep it at least mostly polite.
/r/MensRights26/07/19 03:27 AM
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Totally fair, if that's just who you are as a person, you do you. Just know that I don't know any MRAs who want women to apologize for what other women do. If you aren't doing the things we are bothered by, you aren't a part of the problem, you're a part of the solution and you are allowed to be proud of that.
/r/MensRights26/07/19 03:18 AM
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I can respect individual feminists, but as a group of voluntary membership, I'm distrustful at best and disdainful on average. This isn't because of the coffee shop feminists and egalitarian bedroom feminists. This is because of academic feminism and organizational feminism. While you may identify as a feminist because you believe in egalitarianism, the movement as a whole doesn't follow that path. Look at the story of Erin Pizzey and how she was treated for opening a men's domestic violence she…
/r/MensRights26/07/19 02:50 AM
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You have nothing to apologize for or feel bad for if it's not you doing it. Collective guilt is just a bullshit way to justify bigotry and hate towards someone who has never wronged you. Just do your thing to not be a problem and point out the problems you see, if it suits you, and you're all good. Anyone who asks people to do more than that needs to mind their own business.
/r/MensRights26/07/19 02:37 AM
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Feminism pushes for women's sexual freedom. Women start doing kinky shit in bed. Surprised Pikachu face
/r/MensRights25/07/19 11:14 PM
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For power. If you can make the vast majority of the population unacceptable, you grant power to people who don't fit that mold.
/r/MensRights25/07/19 12:28 AM
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I know. I'm pretty much sure I've seen videos responding to those specific sources that were linked and those arguments. I feel like they think those are unique and flawless arguments when they're all talking points that have been debunked while the feminists just say they won.
/r/MensRights24/07/19 11:07 AM
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I really couldn't care less. I think it's an idiotic battle to be fighting, but it is what it is. It's not like I want to be anywhere near Berkeley anyway.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 11:03 PM
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Totally fair. That's why I ask instead of just something out an essay. Also, diagnosed sorry, so sperging is what I do.
/r/MensRights22/07/19 06:36 AM
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This needs more attention. It is supported by the comics and was actually a not bad arc. Natalie Portman is playing the same character as she did in previous movies, it's just that she takes up mjolnir to save the world while Thor is gone.
/r/MensRights21/07/19 03:03 AM
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Distance is the only reason look to older waves with such fondness. The early waves had just as much vileness as the modern waves, it's just not written in most history books. If you want me to give examples after I'm off work in a few hours, let me know and I'll do so.
/r/MensRights21/07/19 01:13 AM
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Magna cum laude is Latin for with high honors. I'd lean towards more possibility of it being true because he didn't go for claiming Suma cum laude, with the highest of honors. At the same time, he totally could just be bullshitting and true iamverysmart material. Additionally, while it may not be true what he is saying, there's a term, pathos of the ubemensch, that is essentially what he is talking out. Psychologically, people who are exceptional in some way often struggle with feeling isolated …
/r/MensRights21/07/19 01:10 AM
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I mean, I get what you're saying, but in my life experience and that of most men I've talked to, no one really wants to hear about negative emotions unless it's via the context of a set plan of action to resolve them and they're the right kind of negative emotion. Don't get me wrong, people shouldn't just bitch all day, but I should be able to tell people close to me when I'm sad, depressed, or even suicidal without dismissal, and it's hard for men to find that. Get shut down enough and you're g…
/r/MensRights20/07/19 08:34 AM
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Sorry to hear that, man, that's fucked up. Just remember, the only way out is through and there are people here willing to do what we can to talk you through your shit or just be an ear to vent to. My message box is always open should you need someone to rant to.
/r/MensRights20/07/19 05:54 AM
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I went there in the past to get their perspective on abortion ND adoption rights to see if they were capable of civility. They strawmanned and attacked anything I said even positions their post history indicated they thought was reasonable. They just have an irrational hatred of MRAs. The thing is, it's a small sub with virtually no activity. I'm far more concerned about the powerful mainstream voices who are us and convince people lies are true by repeating them until they are common knowledge.
/r/MensRights19/07/19 10:29 PM
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Just leave them be. They're a small sub that doesn't brigade us, so we shouldn't do so to them. Hell, I'd say don't even go check it out unless you want to get pissed off.
/r/MensRights19/07/19 10:25 PM
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I agree fully. On top of it, too many people just write off men in that situation as angry. Yeah, they're angry but that anger comes from pain and feeling powerless to stop the pain paired with a lack of sympathy.
/r/MensRights19/07/19 08:24 PM
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I mean, I feel like any car that over adorned is a bit cringy, but my heart goes out to him. Stories like that are tragic as hell, and a lot of cringe comes from people who are very emotional and just trying to express themselves as best as they can. It really is amazing how the same people who think men need to express their emotions more are so opposed to men expressing negative emotions.
/r/MensRights19/07/19 08:19 PM
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I'm not sure either. All I know is that it's now a more questionable situation, and multiple accusations against a person doesn't make them any more guilty unless their is proof. I'm just surprised because a male on male false accusation would be something unusual. I don't know weather to hope he is guilty or not. I really liked him as an actor, and if he's guilty, I respected someone not worth respect. If he's innocent, someone I respect had their life ruined by a false accusation. I'm more or …
/r/MensRights18/07/19 06:10 AM
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I get that. I go with the tactic of giving everyone enough rope to climb out of the home they're digging or hang themselves. I've had a radical feminist here talk with me long enough to hear me and say she is my ally. I don't think they intend to hurt men, but I feel that they do by regularly looking at men's issues from the perspective of how they harm women. It always feels like men's suffering is dogmatically less than woman's suffering and any opposition to this is treated as you must believ…
/r/MensRights17/07/19 10:37 PM
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I'm MRA, anti feminist, and fairly anti men's lib. I understand fully your feelings, and only found the MRM because of a friend who helped me through my abuse. I pity more than hate men's lib. They seem to actually believe they are helping men. They even seem to actually want to help men, but they're stuck in a feminist lense. You spoke blasphemy by being raw in your emotions and defying the narrative they view the world through. If you shut up and had a melt down and did bad, they would call it…
/r/MensRights17/07/19 10:08 PM
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Yeah, I hate having to eat crow when I come out agro and am proven wrong. I try to take an innocent until proven guilty approach. I did this for Kevin Spacey. I can't do differently for his accuser without being a hypocrite. Also, I distrust the media in general and know that people rush to press with incomplete information to post first, so new information is always taken with a massive grain of salt. I just know that assuming innocent until proven guilty doesn't look good for the accuser right…
/r/MensRights17/07/19 09:50 PM
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I finally got officially diagnosed at 34, about a year ago. Apsie, through and through. I'd been sure for a while, but adult autism specialists are hard to find, and Asperger's is extremely hard to diagnose, especially in adults. My big issue is that, within their own ideology, that kind of logic is extremely ableist. I don't agree with the ableism arguments for the most part, but they should at least acknowledge the internal inconsistency of their ideology. If they could rectify those issues, I…
/r/MensRights17/07/19 09:38 PM
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That fits the impression I had. I need to dig deeper before I make any conclusions, but I can't see why an accuser would invoke the 5th and ruin their case unless they had crimes to hide. The destroying of evidence is a crime without pleading the 5th, so using the 5th to not respond more or less annihilates the credibility of the accusation unless I can get information to overturn this. I'm still going to look for it critically. I just can't think of a good reason for this turn of events without…
/r/MensRights17/07/19 09:33 PM
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As an autist, I care about this. I can be socially oblivious if people don't speak directly. I don't think it's too much of an ask for people to be explicit. Hell, the people who I'm concerned about this on are so much about affirmative consent that they should be on my side. The problem is, in practice, they don't give explicit consent or denial of consent and then decide after the fact if they are happy with the interaction. Also, note, I've been with my fiancee for 13 years now. This isn't a …
/r/MensRights17/07/19 09:19 PM
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Fuck. Is this actually another high profile case of a false accusations ruining a man's life? If so, it's a new beast in that it's a man making the accusation rather than a woman. I don't know where it stands, but I fully intend to dig deeper as time goes on.
/r/MensRights17/07/19 09:15 PM
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All animals are created equal, but some animals are more equal than others...
/r/MensRights17/07/19 07:22 PM
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This is honestly why I care less. I'm worried, as usually actions like this lead to hot garbage oozing with wokeness and virtue signaling, but I'm withholding judgment for now. It's kind of like the doctor being a woman. I held a wait and see approach because there's no good reason the doctor couldn't regenerate into a woman the way the master did. Her first season had many irksome parts to me feeling very earth focused and too many woke arcs, but I enjoyed her as the doctor.
/r/MensRights17/07/19 03:21 AM
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I've heard this before, but I really need to look into the methodology of studies that show this result. Many I've seen show grading differences of female students getting better grades than male students in literature classes and the like. The thing is, grading bias is a proven thing and literature is more subjectively graded when compared to math. As such, it is distinctly possible that many of these studies cited proving women have better verbal skills are just a result of grading bias and no…
/r/MensRights16/07/19 05:11 PM
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I'd just turn it around and spread out along to wider rails at the back. I bet that shit would piss them off.
/r/MensRights16/07/19 04:54 PM
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Yeah, I can't afford to pay someone else to do my repairs. I just look up a YouTube tutorial and follow along until the job is done. I recently rebuilt my power steering pump in my car for $20 and saved probably $400 in doing so rather than paying a mechanic to replace the pump.
/r/MensRights16/07/19 03:47 AM
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Remember, women earn less than men but also spend more than men, and somehow this makes them double plus oppressed.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 10:15 PM
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You've made 2 posts here in the past 6 years, this being one of them. If you think the content here has gotten shitty, you could contribute quality content instead of just being pissy that others aren't providing the content you want to see.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 10:13 PM
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Remember, woke types don't actually spend money on the shit they ask for. Go woke and go broke. You chase off the average consumer and the woke crowd is smaller than they come across from their constant bitching. Then on top of that, they're just happy the thing got made, they don't even intend to consume the media the demanded.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 06:53 PM
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Even if he got a DNA test proving it's not his kid, he'd be on the hook. If you can't as a father to a child for long enough, you will get nailed with child support. In rare cases, cohabitation with a woman who has kids can turn into grounds for child support without even getting married. You just have to be seen as the father figure and provide financial support to be on the hook if the state wants to push it.
/r/MensRights15/07/19 06:51 PM
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Fuck the concept of hate speech. People should be allowed to say shitty things. As long as you aren't calling for violence, you have the right. Don't get me wrong, it's fucked up how acceptable it is to be shitty to men and how easy it is to be accused of hating women, but people need to have the right to hate and be shitty. You take that right away and you make things worse. Hate speech rules always defend the powerful and oppress the powerless.
/r/MensRights14/07/19 06:46 AM
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Where did I imply they deserve sympathy for it. I was responding as a purely philosophical perspective and also sating it's different from men who get less than they put in.
/r/MensRights13/07/19 04:35 AM
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From a purely philosophical perspective, I'd say yes. Even if you're only paying 25% of your income in taxes but are getting 50% of your taxes in benefits, you still only really have say-so over how 75% of your money is spent. Don't get me wrong paying taxes isn't the same for women who get more than they pay, but it's still the government taking money and repurposing it without their say-so.
/r/MensRights13/07/19 04:30 AM
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I've heard the term transmysogyny thrown around a lot, you could throw the term transmisandry if you're trying to make the argument towards someone who likes to speak in more SJW lingo and use many of the same arguments they use for transmysogyny to point out the hipocracy.
/r/MensRights12/07/19 03:13 PM
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Expressing appreciation in a new post is seldom if ever low effort. Thank you for the post, and I'm glad to hear we helped you. I hope to see you around more in comments and posts.
/r/MensRights11/07/19 05:16 AM
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I've yet to see evidence of a false accusation against a woman by a man. Most of them I see involve him claiming, her admitting, and jack shit happening to her. I can't think of an example where an accusation by a man was made against a women and it was found to be false. This isn't to say its never happened. I'm just saying, with the social climate there is little expectation of a positive outcome from any accusation, so false accusations are exceedingly rare. Listen and believe causes false ac…
/r/MensRights11/07/19 03:52 AM
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I saw the thread when it was new on watch people die inside, and it was mostly white knighting at the time. I'm rather glad the tone has shifted since then because it was a shit storm when I saw it.
/r/MensRights11/07/19 12:53 AM
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I watched the clip on watch people die inside earlier, and she said we'd be divorced, so I assumed wife having seen the video, not sure what is correct, but that is why I assumed wife.
/r/MensRights11/07/19 12:51 AM
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You're pulling a whatabotism there. You can actually care about multiple issues a once. In fact, caring about another issue in no way diminishes your capability to care about other issues.
/r/MensRights10/07/19 09:22 PM
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The amazing thing to me is how many people are vilifying him the comments. I mean, there is some great gymnastics to make he the victim in this. Some people are even reading his expression as self loathing for being a bad husband.
/r/MensRights10/07/19 09:18 PM
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This seems like typical male feminist projection. In my experience, man who talk about all men this way do so to feel like they are normal and not broken as fuck compared to other men. If you lack virtue, make up for it by virtue signaling and degrading others. I do feel bad for him though, you don't get that broken without a lot of abuse or brainwashing. That being said, a piece of shit is a piece of shit no matter how they became that way.
/r/MensRights09/07/19 03:59 PM
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I don't know about you, but when I don't want attention, I post to public support groups and then publicly shame people who try to support me in a way I didn't prefer. Then, naturally, I spend days talking about not wanting attention just to make sure that people see me.
/r/MensRights09/07/19 02:35 PM
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It's all good. That's why I challenged you to redefine your title without going on the attack.
/r/MensRights08/07/19 07:18 AM
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I don't think it's women. It's women and white knights, and that makes up the majority of the world.
/r/MensRights08/07/19 05:23 AM
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Honestly, and this may just be my autism speaking, I'm far more offended by the grammar of the original post than any of the responses. Don't get me wrong, the responses are fucked up, but the OP just makes me rage by how sanctimonious she is with so little linguistic capability.
/r/MensRights08/07/19 04:42 AM
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Explain you title. MGTOW as a movement is pretty specific in what it means, and I don't see how you can claim him as mgtow on any reasonable argument outside of to insult the movement.
/r/MensRights08/07/19 04:39 AM
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I follow the sub and post regularly, so I went in and gave my perspective. It's bullshit, plain and simple. I posted about a gender swapped idea of a woman having to train a man and not wanting to share a room with him. If people want equality, they need to accept that the gender flipped equivalent, no one would be calling asshole. On top of all of that, there is major dismissal of his feelings and making it all about her as if he should be uncomfortable for her sake lest he be an asshole.
/r/MensRights07/07/19 10:33 PM
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See, the thing is, not all men need to be that. Hell, not even men specifically need to be that. It's just that some people must be. I've had this talk with my fiancee. I don't have to be strong, stoic, and financially motivated all the time, but when things are rough, at least one of us must be. I see much of the comments on posts like this being much like yours, but I don't see how you aren't, at least in some way, advocating for male disposability. Men need to be emotionally strong, true, but…
/r/MensRights07/07/19 10:25 PM
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No, that would be cutting out their eardrums. I'm talking about the external portion of the ears that only slightly helps directional sound perception and little else. Also, it would be just cleaner that way, it's not like we can expect kids to clean behind their ears, after all.
/r/MensRights07/07/19 05:51 AM
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Dude, it's literally a minor amputation. It is cutting off a natural part of the human body. It makes no more sense than cutting off a child's ears outside of the fact that people view it as normal. Hell, cutting off their ears probably would have less detrimental effects on their body's functionality.
/r/MensRights07/07/19 02:42 AM
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Get out. She is being emotionally abusive and using her emotional abuse to justify being physically abusive when you don't comply. That's a recipe for disaster. If she wasn't crossing the line to physical abuse, I'd say have a serious talk and put your foot down that you won't be controlled. Since she has crossed that line to physical abuse, you owe her nothing. Protect yourself and get out. Be prepared for her to make false accusations against you. Let your friends and family know you're leavin…
/r/MensRights06/07/19 11:34 PM
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I think that argument is in the running for winning strawman of the decade. It's virtually impossible to bring up a men's issue without someone accusing you of hating women. Shit, this post isn't even about the women themselves, it's about an abusive service being offered to women. Somehow, still we're attacking women. If anything, the person's logic shows they think women are abusive and manipulative because of his need to defend them when we attack something that isn't women that is abusive an…
/r/MensRights05/07/19 05:17 PM
1

I understand your perspective, bit the caricature you present of modern day feminism is far more representative of the movement than the women who have left Islam. Modern day feminism protests Islam as an opresesed minority. They don't care about the damage done to women by the ideology. They just want to use operesion points where they can get them to improve the social standing of feminism.
/r/MensRights05/07/19 08:24 AM
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Massive post, and I don't have time to jump on it right now as I'm working right now, but I fully intend to break it down and respond. Parts of it are accurate, other parts not as much. Off the top of my head, parts about rape are one. Rape was a term of defiling that which is yours not to defile. Having sex with a virgin you were not married to was called rape, there was a different term for nonconsensual sex. I'll have to look up the term when I have more time. Other parts are accurate but onl…
/r/MensRights04/07/19 09:33 PM
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Mi agree here fully. It's not that you should trust a feminist, then again, you shouldn't just trust MRAs either. You should act in good faith and verify. As good as it feels to rage and tell them to fuck off, it accomplishes nothing beneficial and just serves to make MRAs look like what feminists claim we are. Often times the best tactic when you can't bring your A game is to just not play.
/r/MensRights04/07/19 12:18 AM
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I would love to believe you are correct, but the way they argue asserting opposite beliefs back to back is a sure sign of cognitive dissonance implying they do believe what they say. A great example is when the present MRAs as powerless whiny manababies with no clout who must be stopped before they destroy society and enslave women. People who don't believe what they are saying have less emotional attachment and can present consistent lies easily. It's scary to think, but I truly believe that th…
/r/MensRights03/07/19 10:25 PM
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It's more extreme than that, if I speak about my PTSD and emotions coming from it, even in a calm and rational way, I get demonized as the monster I often think I am. Getting made fun of or dismissed is far easier than having your self loathing from trauma validated and or even pushed farther.
/r/MensRights03/07/19 10:17 PM
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This confuses me. I understand if the person is stumbling drunk and can't form a coherent sentence, but it gets taken so much father. When I was in college, plenty of people of both sexes went to parties to get drunk and fuck. We seem to have a social norm, heavily pushed by feminists that says women lose autonomy when drunk and men don't. This is bullshit. You are responsible for your actions when you get intoxicated. If you consent after intentionally getting intoxicated, you consented, male o…
/r/MensRights03/07/19 05:39 PM
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If you think I'm right wing, you're wrong. I lean left. I'm not saying that someone can't be on the left and be an MRA. I obviously don't believe that. I even stated directly that the sub leans center left on average, so I'm not sure where you think that I believe you can't be on the left and be an MRA. I do feel that the modern far left and far right are incompatible with the MRM, but that's more because of their authoritarian bent than because of what side of the aisle they are on.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 03:56 PM
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Or I just got it wrong on purpose. You have to point out 7 out of 5 is impossible, but actively ignore that 5 out of 7 isn't a perfect score. Also, not a trump supporter, just feel he was the better option against Hillary. Seriously, we can figure out a better way to spend billions besides finding the two worst candidates for president. That being said, he has done well in places, so I can't be too harsh.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 05:07 AM
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Will do. I usually would just dive in, but I've had a hell of a day and to soend energy dealing with my life before I can do more effort related to activism. At the same time, I still wanted to post here and upvote to give you room in the algorithm for more people to see your post and draw their own conclusions because this topic matters to me.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 02:45 AM
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Good trolling bro, have fun. I honestly enjoyed it, I'd give you a perfect 7 out of 5.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 02:26 AM
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Yeah, no. Get over yourself. I'm not dumb, and I understand all your terms individually throughout this entire interaction. They're nebulous and open to interpretation. If you can't make a concrete statement of the argument in laymen's terms you aren't superior, you're iamverysmart material.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 02:22 AM
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If it's so obvious and you aren't low IQ yourself, you should be able to put it in words. Get off your high horse and explain yourself or move along because your ego isn't impressive. Honestly, I just assume you're a troll, but it's fun to feed the trolls while I'm waiting on other things.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 02:20 AM
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And here is where I just discard you as a worthwhile discussion or debate partner. Not only are you just using an ad hominem with no evidence backing your perspective as an argument, but you are factually wrong. I'm not going to brag, but I've had my IQ tested, and I'll just say, it's over 100 which means I'm factually above average. Tell me, what basis do you have for saying I'm low IQ?
/r/MensRights02/07/19 01:12 AM
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I was sexually abused from 5 to 16. I've had many struggles from it and am not currently up for reading stories that may hit close to home, but I'd love to get back to this and fully support your effort of getting the message out.
/r/MensRights02/07/19 12:54 AM
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I'll concede, I did not know of him and intend to look into it because a socialist MRA is an insane concept to me. At the same time, much if this is via the lense of the current year rather than in the late 1800s when he did his work. My stance is that far left is fringe stance already and so is MRA. As such, in the current combative climate, it wouldn't be reasonable to expect to create a group of any reasonable size of the overlap of these two fringes. At the same time, if someone were to do s…
/r/MensRights02/07/19 12:33 AM
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Yeah, I knew and it annoys the piss out of me that pride month completely overshadows it. I brought it up to people and more or less got patriarchy being put in its place as a response.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 10:30 PM
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Cultural Marxism, as I understand it, in common usage is applying Marxist theory to social classes rather than economic classes in which certain classes are portrayed as oppressors and others as the oppressed. Intersectionality does this with multiple facets and then declares a person to be opressor or oppressed mostly based on how if the person agrees with the ideology or not and how they weigh the various identity groups. Agree or not with Marxist theory, it was at least clear cut on what leve…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 10:11 PM
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It does my heart good that the comments in this outrage bait post did some research and didn't just take the bait.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 10:06 PM
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I don't know how a person could be far left and an MRA. Center left, moderate left, or left, I get. The thing is, far left seems to be a group specifically focused on intersectional feminism and cultural Marxism that are both applied in ways incompatible with men's rights. To me, I see men's rights as askew of the left/right divide. The extreme left and extreme right are both rather authoritarian or anarchistic, and those tend not be compatible with rights movements, but outside of that, we tend…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:19 PM
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Men's lib, feminist subs, and liberal sources just repeat over and over again that we are misogynistic over and over, generally without any evidence to back their assertion. When they do provide evidence, it is almost universally presented in an utterly false context far removed from the real context or a post that has a low or negative vote count and as such doesn't represent the community. It's pretty amazing how often feminsts or non MRAs who come here seem afraid to ask questions because the…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 08:56 PM
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I slept on it and realized something. I'm not going to even bother responding or defending my stances if you won't do me the courtesy of explaining what you are trying to say as your core premise in plain English. You've still yet to do so, and it is really not worth the effort of defending myself when you won't do something so simple.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 08:41 PM
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Ok, once again, o find a potential for commonality. I'm a trans humanist and a futurist. Can you explain to me how you see the connection? In my take on AI, I don't think it agrees with the stances as you are presenting it. I'd love to hear how you think it applies, bit I don't want to respond to it and expound until you explain further as to not straw man you. It's 7 am and I should be asleep long ago, so I'll likely not respond for 8 to 12 hours if you respond quickly, but I'm listening.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 10:52 AM
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And to me, that is a core flaw of progressivism. Things corrosive to social norms aren't inherently good unless you assume all norms are bad. It's a core aspect of the ideology I disagree with. Progressivism for the sake of progress is no better than conservatism for the sake of conserving tradition.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 10:18 AM
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To repeat your more expansive version of the sentiment, agree on all points.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:42 AM
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I honestly can't figure out what your angle is unless you are just trolling. Edit: but seriously, why would you have bet on that. With what I said, most people who disagree would put me as more of a Hillary supporter than a Trump supporter.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:41 AM
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Nope, but I'm glad he beat Hillary. Does me holding that perspective confuse you?
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:34 AM
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I didn't say shit about that. I asked what him being gay had to do with it. You just seem to be a shitty person and possibly a misogynist, and I don't use that term casually as an MRA.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:27 AM
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Snopes itself isn't a great citation, but they cited their source, and it checks out, so this time, it's a good easy source, though the link to the original article the reference would possibly be better. The again, Snopes it trusted by a fair amount of the population, so citing Snopes that cites the source is pretty ideal.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:26 AM
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Good citation, kudos to you.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:16 AM
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You both need to learn to be civil.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:14 AM
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Dude, do you think being gay protects you from false accusations? Do you think gay people burst into flames if they touch women? Do you think striaght men can't avoid interactions with women that could put them at risk? If you don't think that, what is your reason for bringing up some rumor that isn't at all related to this? If it's realted and you don't believe it falls under one of my questions, why bring it up?
/r/MensRights01/07/19 09:13 AM
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Ok, this may be a point of connection. My first post was in response to pegging. I said I support men's right to enjoy pegging. It's a thing I've been known to enjoy when I'm feeling especially kinky. I have no issue with that. My issue is the presentation of the initial post and image. The implied message is that the person leads with I support men's rights. Then the back side basically reduces men's rights to being fucked in the ass and dominated by women. It's a typical 2 panel comic format b…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 07:42 AM
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That is exactly my point. All of your defenses of your statements require people to do research to define ever deeper levels of jargon and expert terminology. Even if you don't want to explain like I'm 5, you should at least be able to break down a concrete point that the average layman could understand as your core premise. What is your core premise using no jargon? Use only terms the average person on the street could understand in casual polite conversation. Until you can do that, I won't bel…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 07:18 AM
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Probably because of the refusal to concretely state anything in this post and an insistence of external account to talk any more.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 07:10 AM
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Gotcha. Gonna use a vague meandering explanation. Do you think a 5 year old could understand what you just said. You're becoming layer upon layer of jargon and just serving to prove my point I made earlier. Say it in plain English or you are just hiding behind fancy words. Don't think I'm uneducated or ignorant either. I understand all the words individually. I just see them strung together in such a way as to be vague to the point that there is no way to engage with you and strike a counter poi…
/r/MensRights01/07/19 07:07 AM
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Please explain like I'm 5. You're using heavy jargon to that level that implies you don't have a strong core point that you can personally defend. If you can't impress them with knowledge, baffle them with bullshit.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 06:42 AM
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I mean, I get your angle, bit I lack context, and without context, if I hear someone make that comment, based upon societal norms, I'd assume they meant it as a fuck you to MRAs.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 05:48 AM
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And I'm autistic, so real time verbal debate with strangers is extremely difficult. Text works far better for me in addition to trying to keep my internet accounts isolated to prevent doxxing.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 03:00 AM
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If you want to pm with me here, I'll be civil and discuss, but I'm not going to link my Reddit account to any other account I have elsewhere. I'd much rather discuss in public where people can see both of our behavior, but I'm willing to do so in private if you fear getting dog piled.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 02:27 AM
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I mean, I support a men's right to get pegged if that's what he's into. It's anything but close to the top of rights I care about, but you do you... I realize it's a thing to take the piss out of MRAs, but not demonizing male sexuality would be a great societal change.
/r/MensRights01/07/19 02:24 AM
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Nope. I'm just saying he could be uneducated. If Ru Paul used that slur because he didn't understand it offends people, how can you assume random poster on the internet knows better. I also explicitly said I'm not defending the op, read the unedited post and see that is factual. I'm saying if the only thing you can argue is that he used a slur, you don't have a good argument against the core points of the argument. This is why I don't focus on people using incel, misogynist, etc as a slur agains…
/r/MensRights29/06/19 07:12 AM
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I'm not. I assume they're doing exactly that. I also assume the people who haven't chosen a side will pick the side who focuses on the issues and tries to talk about the core of the issue rather than attack people over word choice, straw man, and generalize.
/r/MensRights29/06/19 07:08 AM
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Was this post removed by the op for editing or by moderation. Asking for a friend... But in all honesty, asking for the sake of transparency.
/r/MensRights29/06/19 07:05 AM
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Fuck polite discourse. Not everyone is educated in the correct terms of the day. If you can only focus on them picking outdated terms and can't engage with the argument itself, you shouldn't engage at all. I'm not even defending the op. I just think your attitude is a lot of what is wrong with the culture war. Each side has their own terms and decides the other sides terms are wrong and uses and failure in terms to justify not engaging in good faith. A backwater hick who uses all the antiquated …
/r/MensRights29/06/19 06:59 AM
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Look at the post. It's not exactly supported by the community given its vote count. At the same time I wish people would focus a lot less on people using the right terms and focus more on the content of the message. Dude presents the argument in a piss poor way, but the statement isn't factually flawed if presented with the "right" terminology of the day. Is it a good thing to shut down an argument for the wrong words being used if the logical core is solid? I'm not passing judgement, I'm just p…
/r/MensRights29/06/19 06:47 AM
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I mean, he may actually have a point in a way. I would wager men come about their body issues the old fashioned way, through years of insults and being told they're never good enough. People talk about media causing these things, but I've never seen a good multivaried analysis that took the effects of it seriously. Taking an issue seriously means working to find the real causes and fighting those. It doesn't mean just blindly attacking anything that seems to correlate.
/r/MensRights29/06/19 04:30 AM
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Honestly, I don't mind it at all. I mean, it's bullshit that they think this is going to make life easier for women on their app. If anything I see it as helping men not have to almost always make the first move by societal expectation and might actually teach women to empathize with men having to make the first move and the stress of rejection. On top of all that, bumble isn't even close to a monopoly, so I'm not prone to worrying. If you don't like it, don't use it is more than good enough for…
/r/MensRights28/06/19 10:40 PM
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Ok, if this is your stance, offer a solution that doesn't involve ignoring our immigration laws or other laws related to incarceration. People who spout that rhetoric are almost using think about the children to push open borders or lack understanding of the situation and are just regurgitating propaganda.
/r/MensRights28/06/19 08:40 PM
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I really need to come back and read this whole post when I have more than a 10 minute break from work. This seems like a great read.
/r/MensRights28/06/19 08:36 PM
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I just can't agree. They're pushing to move the box, not remove the box. Certain masculine behaviors are getting massive social pressure against them by feminists. Even the things they say they want get mocked if they're done in the wrong way. I should be more emotional, but if I argue against killallmen, I'm a whiny, virgin, neck beard with a tiny penis living in my mom's basement and my male tears are delicious. The definition you gave of toxic masculinity is what they fall back on to defend i…
/r/MensRights27/06/19 05:15 PM
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I know those facts to be true, and I agree with everything you said. At the same time, I want to keep the counterargumentation as narrowly defined as I can to counter their argument because any tangential relation argument allows for them to make the same kind of counter argument. If I keep their narrowly framed arguments scope and shut it down, I can accuse them of changing the subject if they try to expand the argument and not be a hypocrite.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 03:11 AM
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The part I find offensive is that they acknowledge that men can be genetically at risk for great cancer to push supporting women who get this cancer while men can get it, too.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 01:58 AM
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I'd like to see more Dept of this question and defining what you really want to ask. The question is a male disposability question I care about, bit it's too short and punchy for me to really respond to your feelings and intention. Respond back with a more long form question and your feelings and I'll answer, but I don't even know where to start of what you're really asking.
/r/MensRights26/06/19 01:57 AM
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I'm not sure I understand your perspective. Could you explain your perspective on further detail? My understanding is that education has ballooned in cost since the guarantee of student loans by the federal government, and that paradigm is a major factor in the ruining of modern academia.
/r/MensRights25/06/19 06:31 AM
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Do not in any way take this as an attack on anything more than your direct statement. I'm happy Hillary beat Trump. At the same time 53% of women supporting Trump isn't a clear defense that it isn't hyper masculinity. Maybe it was political lines. Maybe they hated Hillary for being a bitch. Maybe they like hyper-masculinity. There's tons of options, but the numbers don't lie. The spin may be a lie, but the numbers aren't.
/r/MensRights25/06/19 04:06 AM
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Could it be that men are demonized and insulted so often that we're sick of it and don't want to encourage her entitled bullshit? Could it be that she's not acting like a lady? (Being a lady is different from being a woman). The insane thing is that people this entitled don't get extrapolated to their entire gender the way the worst of men do.
/r/MensRights24/06/19 07:20 PM
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Foodie call was a term in parallel to booty call. The problem that I see is most booty calls are transparent and foodie calls are manipulative. Honestly, as odd as it is, a wired flip of this is how I started dating my fiancee. I hate eating at restaurants alone and asked her as a friend to go eat with me. She was broke, so I offered to pay if she ordered reasonably. I'd made the same offer to guy friends, and they said no because it felt too much like a date and no homo. I'm very much in love w…
/r/MensRights22/06/19 04:31 PM
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I've got a fair understanding of rape in that I've been raped. My point is the accusations made there describe what would be factually called rape, so I find it odd the article didn't call it rape directly. If I said to a reporter, "he put his penis inside me" I wouldn't think I'd need to say rape for them to see it as rape. Edit: mostly referring to the title saying sexual assault and the article itself describing rape.
/r/MensRights22/06/19 07:34 AM
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It's amazing how feminsts scream equality until the conversation shifts to responsibility and risk. Equality doesn't just mean equal pros, it means equal pros and cons
/r/MensRights21/06/19 08:28 PM
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No evidence outside of her word 25 years after the fact as well as the odd decision to call it sexual assault when her words mean it would be rape. They also employ the common feminist of saying a long list of allegations (none proven true) to try to push guilty until proven innocent. To me, if anything, a long list of allegations without any being proven true lends credence to the possibility that the latest one is also untrue.
/r/MensRights21/06/19 08:25 PM
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Honestly, a part of that makes it more important to defend him, at least from a functional society standpoint. Everyone deserves to be protected. It doesn't matter if he was a piece of shit before, during, or after what she did to him. What she did was beyond the pale and that's all there is to it. On top of that, I'd wager that his actions after the fact were influenced by the trauma inflicted on him. This isn't to defend his actions as acceptable. I'm just saying, if someone cut my dick off, I…
/r/MensRights21/06/19 04:28 PM
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The problem I see is that we treat gendered differences as a reason to discriminate in favor of women and against men. Pregnancy is a good example of this. Women can unilaterally opt out of parenthood, but men can't because it's just biological reality.
/r/MensRights21/06/19 03:53 PM
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I think that it's rather odd that the movement pushing for "equality" always seems to treat women's biological disadvantages as a crisis and men's as just reality. It is a societal fact that men, overall, receive less money from taxes than they pay in and women, overall, receive more than they pay in. The medical research field already spends more Oney on women's health issues than it does on men's in spite of the fact that men don't live as long. When society will actually acknowledge men's gen…
/r/MensRights21/06/19 03:45 PM
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I'd love to hear what of blm that draws you because I feel that virtually any blm argument is stronger as an MRA gender argument than as a blm racial argument. Black males suffer for being male more than they suffer for being black as the gender disparity is 6-7x as large as the racial disparity.
/r/MensRights20/06/19 06:18 AM
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Honestly, the complication is that she saved me from becoming like her. I can't imagine how far down the path of radical feminism I'd have gone if she hadn't lifted the veil from my eyes, and honestly, it took something that dramatic to make me see reality.
/r/MensRights20/06/19 05:45 AM
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That's the perception I have of you, and I'm wanting to do what I can to try to get people to share. It's not often that people legitimately want to hear about feminism has hurt people.
/r/MensRights20/06/19 05:34 AM
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She was raised by a former nun. I can only assume based on context I of know of her that she was a rape baby from a Catholic priest raping a nun. It wasn't psychosis. It was the chain of abuse paired with a radical gender studies education focused on the demonization of men. Kennesaw gender studies are a pretty extreme, and that paired with her upbringing led to this outcome. While I pitty her for her life fucking her up this much, I still despise her for how she ruined my life when I was finall…
/r/MensRights20/06/19 05:31 AM
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Another post oustsde of answering the question. This poster seems to be engaging in good faith. Please upvote this post and share your story. Too often this sub focuses on the bullshit of the internet. This is a thread for us to make it personal on how feminism has hurt us in real life. Be vulnerable. Tell your worst real life story of about your abuse by feminists, and make it clear that it isn't the only story.
/r/MensRights20/06/19 05:11 AM
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I will say a firm yes. For back story, I'm autistic and have multiple cases of childhood PTSD. My first PTSD diagnosis was from 5 to about 16 where I was molested and raped regularly. I also have PTSD diagnosed from bullying and being assaulted hundreds of times from 11 to 13 years old. I also selodm had more than one friend and at times had no friends. I was a feminist who identified as agender and asexual due to my trauma. I grew up in metro Atlanta. I was the alpha in a 200+ person social cir…
/r/MensRights20/06/19 04:51 AM
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I don't know why I'm even wasting my time responding again, probably just boredom on my break at work. Allow me to reiterate, go fuck yourself.
/r/MensRights17/06/19 11:06 PM
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Yeah, you can just fuck right off. I had a few drinks hanging out with friends. It's completely possible to be drunk occasionally without being an alcoholic. In conclusion, go fuck yourself, you pretentious egomaniac.
/r/MensRights17/06/19 06:58 PM
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I'll be honest, I'm just seeing your response. I'm now drunk and going to bed so I'll reread it in the morning, but my first impulse is that you aren't making a case. You've referenced books, but you haven't made your stance evident to people who haven't read the same books as you. I'm a firm believer that if you can't explain something to a five year old, you probably either don't have a firm grasp on the concept or you are using complicated language to try to prove something you lack evidence …
/r/MensRights17/06/19 10:25 AM
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As you seem to be engaging in good faith, I'll spend time. Anyone can post here and see this. At the same time, I donate monthly to the honey badger brigade, an MRA group. I post here regularly, and if you click my name, you can go to my profile and see my post history and that I've been here for a while. The MRA sub has an extreme light touch policy on moderation, so people here can't be confirmed to be involved with the movement. The general perception I get is that here, your words speak for …
/r/MensRights17/06/19 06:04 AM
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Good for you. You could have made a text post and written a book, and I'd have read it before I passed judgment. I judged you based on the only words you offered. If I'm being honest, you're a random stranger on the internet, and I have no good reason to feel you are authoritative on what you say.
/r/MensRights17/06/19 04:19 AM
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Citation needed. This is a bold assertion with no evidence provided. It flies in the face of all historical documents I've read. Defend your view with evidence because right now I'm just going to dismiss you as a crazy.
/r/MensRights17/06/19 12:00 AM
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True, but thank God for the electoral college. Edit: I feel a need to add I lean left before anyone gets any silly ideas.
/r/MensRights16/06/19 01:12 AM
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The primary belief feminists claim to hold, but if you look at the structure of feminism, the people in power don't believe that. The people who are for equality and call themselves feminists are nothing more than useful idiots to those in power. The sooner people can actually see the feminsts who hold power are for female privilege and misandry, the better. If you don't believe me, give me an example of a feminist organization helping men rather than doing something that hurts men and favors wo…
/r/MensRights16/06/19 01:11 AM
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TL;DR warning:. I'm Asperger's and one of my special interests is social dynamics and social movements, so sorry that I sperg all over the place. The movement just comes across as unified until you really dig into feminist theory, and it wasn't close to as obvious to me from the inside as it is since my... Excommunication, for lack of a better term. I'm about to be heading to work again, so I'm going to vanish like I did yesterday. When I hear divided wrm, I think feminism. Feminism, even if it …
/r/MensRights15/06/19 06:29 PM
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So much biased logic. So many lies. My fiancee takes the pill because she hates condoms. She prefers I come inside her because it always makes her orgasm, even in a quickie. Also, in Japan, the rhythm method is extremely common as a form of birth control. She says men can impregnate women 365 days a year. Women can only get pregnant a few days a month. The idea that this makes men responsible is insane. If anything that implies women should track their cycles as they only need to be cautious a f…
/r/MensRights15/06/19 05:41 PM
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I can understand much of your perspective on this, but I also disagree with your conclusions. I was actually a feminist up until about 6 years ago, and a friend of mine who was an MRA (didn't know that at the time) reached out to me in good faith and helped me with my problems while I was getting attacked for caring about men's issues. I thought feminism was all about equality, but expressing male issue outside of a feminist lens that blames men for those issues got me run out of town on a rail.…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 05:58 PM
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Totally fair. I understand you're in "enemy hq" and it probably is fairly overwhelming just responding to me let alone everyone else. If you want to see Paul Elam in a light you didn't know of, check out the channel men are good on YouTube and Paul's videos with him. Check out videos with him and Warren Farrel. It's a very different Paul and just goes to show how essential his tactic was to create visibility for the movement. Also, I honestly don't find fulfillment in doing my activism. It hurts…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 05:24 PM
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I'm going to chime in here. I feel like responding via a meninist (gender flipping of feminism usually for satire or to make a point) lens. I feel like this might help close the tribal divide and help you see how you're coming across in most people's eyes. You came into our sub to demand emotional labor from men because society believes women are entitled to men's emotional labor. When men wanted to talk about their feelings on your attacks before providing you with the demanded emotional labor,…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 05:17 PM
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The insanity of this is shocking. Like, why would penis transplants be a booming industry? Why is it scary even if it is? Why is it being by men an issue? On top of all that, this kinda shows the author would rather attack men than even see how this could be a good thing for a group feminism often defends, trans men. Seriously, part of what excites me is the idea that it may be possible for a transman to get a transplanted penis rather than a surgically created pseudo penis. This is not even goi…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 05:06 PM
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Thanks for explaining yourself and how you see the movement and its changes. A question about Paul Elam: I see him as a con-artist, not just a misogynist provocateur. I won't ask you do defend what I see as misogyny, but do you think he preys financially on his followers? I'd love to defend him against that claim of being a con-artist, but I'm not even sure on what grounds. If I am recalling correctly, he was a practicing clinical psychologist and friends with Warren Farrel who got run of psycho…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 04:54 PM
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Intactivism is a core example. When the MRM started fighting against male genital mutilation, the common response was that female genital mutilation is worse. We didn't shut up. We cut through bad statistics that paint a biased picture and asserted that everyone has a right to genital integrity, not just women. I got attacked for distracting from the real problem, female genital mutilation. Now most feminists fight for genital integrity as a human rights issue rather than a woman's rights issue.…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 04:36 PM
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I will actually walk back my earlier negative claims on you as well. I feel like you might be trying to engage at good faith and just not great at coming across that way. I wonder if you're not seeing the change because of how you engage. We're used to being attacked by people pretending good faith more than we were back then because back then people didn't even try to pretend they were acting in good faith. Your actions felt like that and I was ready to flip more aggressive because of this chan…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 04:23 PM
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Replying to my own post for added information. Yes, we have changed. The public perception of us has changed, too. People here have gotten more angry at people coming in bad faith. In spite of that, I feel a larger group are willing to push for good faith discussion. I also feel like we involve ourselves in more protest and action working on men's issues and less on trying to get people to engage in good faith and are happier to try to have good faith discussions because it makes the people atta…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 03:57 PM
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Honestly, the more important question is if you've changed. I've been involved in this movement for 6 or 7 years and have done much to help spread awareness as well as help men in need. I've spent literally hundreds of hours talking suffering men out of suicide in the time period where you feel our focus was hating women and feminism. In the period you looked into the movement, you started with the most biased source possible and then came here with the well poisoned and unsurprisingly, confirma…
/r/MensRights14/06/19 03:36 PM
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I think you pretty much nailed it with this response and did so with a shocking amount of tact.
/r/MensRights14/06/19 03:27 PM
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I realize that some feminists are that radically hateful. At the same time, that's why sarcastic comments like that are a bit cathartic.
/r/MensRights13/06/19 03:58 PM
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Totally fair. I don't give a fuck about the numbers. I just was stating my views on paternity leave as a concept and saying men have the option would be good for society.
/r/MensRights13/06/19 08:17 AM
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We can agree here. I haven't researched the numbers at all. I don't give a fuck about the numbers. I just took them from this post in laziness because it was here and you hadn't expressed disdain for the numbers in the past as much as my stance on thinking men having the option is good. I can totally concede the numbers and shit from the original post may be propaganda and that you are right there. That still doesn't change my original stance that I think men having the option for paternity leav…
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:47 AM
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Cool, thanks.
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:41 AM
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What did you post actually say?
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:38 AM
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Ok, then am I not a man for the fact that I see the imprinting period of child rearing as critical and I'd take that paternity leave if it were an option? I don't give a fuck about the post's core position. I have thought having paternity leave would lead to better adjusted children regardless of this post. Please, explain to me how you can hold your stance without rigidly enforcing definitions of masculinity for other men? I'm literally advocating for men having a choice and you're accusing my …
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:35 AM
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Here's the simple counter argument. I would use that option. I am a man. I'm not saying any man should be forced to. The Scandinavian numbers you refer to are 57% of men do not. That means 43% of men there do. Why are you so agro at me for saying men should have the option? Edit: may be wrong on those numbers, I've been around Reddit a lot today and I think this post was about how 57% of men would not take it.
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:29 AM
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Once again, I'm not saying men are shamed into working. I'm saying the option should be there for men to make their own work life balance decisions related to their mental health and need for involvement in child rearing as it applies to their life circumstances. I'm not saying men should be forced to or that men don't because they're shamed. I'm just saying men should have the option to choose that path without worse repercussions than women face for taking maternity leave and maybe they should…
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:23 AM
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You are straw manning me. I never said men should have to do that. If a man is forced to leave work, it could have a negative emotional impact that drops morale and makes them a worse worker. You can do whatever the fuck you want. My point is that we shouldn't view anyone as spending a bit of extra effort to raise their kids shouldn't be viewed as not caring about their work enough.
/r/MensRights13/06/19 06:08 AM
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Thank you. I've been sarcastic as fuck all day, and I appreciate that I've received some validation for it.
/r/MensRights13/06/19 03:02 AM
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I agree the majority, but logic and conversation will never save the majority. I can save some that are drinking the propaganda, and that alone would be enough, but I'm more concerned about preventing more people from getting that lost than I am with the sisyphean task of saving those already lost.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 11:05 PM
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Good post. I love that movie and a good resolution image is a big deal. I honestly have nothing to add and am just commenting to agree and bias the hot posts algorithm in your favor.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 10:00 PM
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I regularly wonder if diving down the rabbit hole is how to break them of this. For example, when they make the excuse of power, ask them to define power. Then you make counter examples to show that outside of the apex, that power is a myth. Intersectional feminism is a post modernist movement that relies of blurry definitions to assert subjective reality over objective reality. If you force them to define their terms, they lose most of their capability to justify. If you're really good at pushi…
/r/MensRights12/06/19 09:58 PM
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I have to disagree. Paternity leave is about father's being involved in their children's life and forming critical bonds during the imprinting phase of infancy. It's quite possible that much of the white knighting and feminist thought uptick in men comes from child rearing and education being so matriarchal in nature. Wanting to be there for your child and bond with them isn't growing a vagina, it's being a good dad. Your attitude sounds like male disposability to me. You're implying that provid…
/r/MensRights12/06/19 09:21 PM
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It's not really a gendered issue, truth be told. Women are treated that way for maternity leave, but they have a push to change that. Men are viewed that way as well, and the push is now starting. There's gender disparity in the issue, but the issue isn't gender exclusive or even close. It still fits here, though because even if it's not a fully gendered issue, it's still a men's issue. What we need is a cultural shift acknowledging that morale is a major factor in productivity and taking time o…
/r/MensRights12/06/19 09:16 PM
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For context I've yet to see, this translates to 6600 a year and the average annual income in that nation is roughly 6000. Even assuming she got nothing in the divorce and this is the only money awarded to her, I find it obscene for her to get more than the average annual income of workers in the nation for being a house wife, but we all know it's probably a double or triple dip.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 09:11 PM
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I mean, they have a point, we should probably pass some laws saying it's illegal for men to stab, rape, and/or kill women. It seems to me that it's a glaring legal oversight that the laws don't classify those as crimes...
/r/MensRights12/06/19 08:59 PM
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While I understand where he is coming from, I know this feel good video helped me recharge my emotional energy. It's not fun constantly fighting against attacks on masculinity. Having good examples like this reminds me of what I'm fighting for, good men not being treated as lesser because they were born men.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 08:52 PM
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We don't need it, but having men are good content on the sub is very worth while in my opinion. It's a good feeling as well as another example counter to the narrative that masculinity is toxic. If anything, giving good men praise could stand to be more common here as it can be easy to get stuck in an anger bubble if that content isn't here.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 08:49 PM
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This is obviously just an example of the patriarchy at work trying to justify man spreading. Look at how they stretch out to assert their dominance over the space available so that no woman feels safe to enter the space. Disgusting.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 08:24 PM
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God, that commercial drove me fucking insane.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 05:29 PM
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Hell, I'd be excited if my fiancee got me that as a gift. I'm the cook in the relationship, too. My mom got me a nice instapot for cooking as a housewarming gift that made me really happy. A couple of years ago, my little sister got me a molecular gastronomy kit for Christmas, and it was my favorite gift of the year. To me a gift that is practical, functional, and of good quality wins on all 3 points.
/r/MensRights12/06/19 05:27 PM
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I don't mind at all, and I'd like to thank you as you seem to be engaging in good faith. Take all the time you need. If you take the time to make your case, I will read it and take it as a springboard for further research and then do my best to respond in good faith with my perspective and data. Also, while I'm good with PM, I'd rather respond in the thread as a public forum, but if that isn't comfortable for you, I'll defer to your desire for a more private discussion where you're less likely t…
/r/MensRights12/06/19 05:00 AM
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Low effort post. We get concern trolls so often that you really need to step up your game if you want people to actually engage. If you aren't just a troll, give us something to respond to that isn't a generality without any actual substance to respond to. How are half the posts as bad as feminist posts? What makes them bad posts. Do you really think feminist subs would do anything but ban you and flame you if you did this on their sub? Do you they think they'd be remotely as polite as many comm…
/r/MensRights11/06/19 04:52 PM
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Edit: early morning post, misread and responded wrong.
/r/MensRights11/06/19 02:51 PM
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And the man who was in an arranged marriage didn't have any more say than the woman did. Both partners had their lives decided by their parents. The biggest difference is the female partner was paid for her value and the man was given for free.
/r/MensRights11/06/19 07:33 AM
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Ok, give me a lesson. A claim was made. I disagreed. Defend the claim or don't claim victory via a generic dismissal. Tell me, what time period and location where it's that simple and men are just owners of women. In terms of the western world, people have been claiming women were oppressed by the previous generation, but that's not true now. This has been going on since at least as far back as Rome. If you want to make a claim without evidence, I can dismiss it without evidence. I can't argue a…
/r/MensRights11/06/19 07:31 AM
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I don't see how you go from me talking about personal acts of activism I undertake to saying there is no activism. Additionally, I'm one person. There are activist organizations somewhere, I'm just not attached to them and know little about them. Your post, at this point feels like concern trolling with a hint of bias seeking confirmation of the assumptions you've made about the movement.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 08:26 PM
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I understand that anger. The question to ask, though is: is the way we treat women the way we should treat men, is the way we treat men the way we should treat women, or should we treat men and women somewhere in the middle? It's a complicated question, and we should try to find an answer that helps society.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 08:23 PM
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Most of my activism is on a small scale. I keep an eye out for men in crisis and offer my time, support, and even money if I can to help them. Many MRAs do the same. It may not be a big organization, but you don't need an organization to help with men's issues or to write letters to your congressman or representative. It's not glamorous or profitable, but it helps the cause and lets me sleep better at night knowing I'm doing something to help alleviate the problems I see.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 08:21 PM
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There is, but it typically has to keep a lower profile because feminist groups will do anything they can to disrupt and destroy any actual activism on behalf of men.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 08:07 PM
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I tend to not be offended by virtually anything. Saying I'm offended simply means that you can't handle your emotions so they must change their behavior for you. People say shit that pisses me off, and I just leave, argue back, or ignore them. The mental gymnastics they do irks me, but I don't care much about them, in truth. I just think that they often run afoul of the rules that got other hate subs banned.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 08:01 PM
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That's a gross oversimplification. People can have their safe space to bitch. I don't give a fuck. You do you. The issue is when the groups openly espouse hate in a way that has gotten other groups banned and get away with it because of bias. I'd rather them take a fully and off approach and leave alone all the toxic subs, but if they're going to ban toxicity, it's unreasonable to leave that one up.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 07:54 PM
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We could if there was a time in the past where we actually did so. Not saying it's an ideal solution, either. Sometimes I just feel like if you're going to do the time, you might as well do the crime.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 07:51 PM
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I've had that argument before. Their logic was that a murder victim is dead and gone but a rape victim has to suffer that torment the rest of their life. I pointed out that a rape victim can choose to be dead if death is better than being a victim, but a murder victim has no choices of the sort. Surprisingly, they actually heard what I said and accepted the logic of it all.
/r/MensRights10/06/19 04:10 PM
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I'd say that's a fair perspective if you think it would be fair to level the same accusation against people here who distrust or hate anyone who uses the label feminist. Additionally, it's not about us, it's about the OP who came for advice. "We" don't have to do shit. He thinks he may like this person and wants advice on if and how to proceed with caution. Don't get me wrong, I have a knee jerk against people who call themselves feminists. That's why I understand that people have a knee jerk ab…
/r/MensRights07/06/19 06:27 PM
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That's the fun thing. People on the internet are seldom a victim of civility, and they usually have no idea what to think or how to stereotype me because of it.
/r/MensRights06/06/19 08:15 PM
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I try to be as civil as I can in my interactions, but I will tell you, in your shoes, I'd have not taken the risk to get as far as you are. You aren't me, though. If your heart is in this, make sure you're protecting your heart as well as your life as you progress. I tend to be extremely gun shy around feminists since one falsely accused me of rape as a power move when I'd never even thought of her sexually or even touched her or anything that could be construed as rape. It was just a blatantly …
/r/MensRights06/06/19 05:32 AM
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I could see saying that sexist comments happen on MGTOW. At the same time, I don't feel the sub is primarily sexist or any of their core premise is anything other than practical. Many media that leans left will portray anything that isn't in lock step with their identity as sexist. Unless you are blatantly sexist against men, you will be called a sexist. Honestly, sexist is just a snarl word at this point, and it's lost virtually all meaning because of the extreme left throwing it around so casu…
/r/MensRights06/06/19 05:21 AM
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I see it as a form of shit test that needs to be done with a bit more tact and caution in phrasing. Don't lead with calling it men's rights. Start with expressing men's issues you've experienced and see their reaction. Make sure to phrase it in the framework of personal experience or friends' experiences. If you phrase it that way, you can see where she stands without the baggage of the term and the campaigns against it. If she is ok with it on that phrasing, there's room to reveal more details …
/r/MensRights06/06/19 03:57 AM
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Just be careful and take it slow. It's possible that you found a person who espouses feminism because they believe it's all about equality. Focus more on expressing your beliefs than on attacking hers. If she's not drinking the cool aid of radical intersectionality, it's possible things could go well. On the other hand, if she is, there is really nothing you can do. Remember to be super cautious about sexuality if you proceed and that she is trustworthy and isn't the type that believes in rape i…
/r/MensRights05/06/19 10:43 PM
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I prefer to call it "my soggy knees" when I mock people over using the term. It really is just a snarl word used to shut down conversation at this point.
/r/MensRights04/06/19 10:06 PM
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The problem is those platforms are pretty ban happy and even tend to Shadow ban or deprioritize posts that speak in favor of men. A lot of people who have tried to do what you propose in more feminist leaning spaces have been banned. Hell, block boots are pretty common, too. Even tweeting at or following a person decreed guilty of wrong think can get you blocked by masses of people you've never interacted with. At the same time, I agree with some of your sentiments, but it's a personal thing. I …
/r/MensRights04/06/19 04:18 AM
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This is how I feel about it as well. She wasn't entitled to half because she married him. She was entitled to half because she gave up her job to help his dream and was instrumental in the success of Amazon. She deserves half of the marital assets because she acted as an equal partner in the creation of said assets.
/r/MensRights03/06/19 05:27 PM
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I feel the same. I wasn't diagnosed until my early 30s, but it's not like I just developed Asperger's later in life. I was bullied so bad in middle school and early high school that I got PTSD (officially diagnosed) from it. The teachers never protected me. They didn't listen to my cries for help. Eventually, after people started hitting me and getting away with it, I started hitting back. I beat the shit out of a lot of kids those 4 years. I got suspended a lot, but at least they got in trouble…
/r/MensRights03/06/19 05:24 PM
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This is more or less the truth of it. Some people believe not men and are fairly anti trans, but others like myself feel that if they're living as a man, they face the same kind of treatment biological males face and excluding them makes no sense.
/r/MensRights31/05/19 10:50 PM
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Let's, for the sake of argument say you are right on everything. So what? What does that have to do with me wanting to fix the problem? I didn't make the problem and didn't even exist when it came into being. It's just a societal norms I dislike. The problem with collective guilt is you can use it to blame literally anyone for literally everything. All problems that exist because of people before now setting the building blocks. People play semantics to implicate a person as part of a group and …
/r/MensRights30/05/19 10:07 PM
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You should read on, that's probably the high point of intellectual behavior in the post. I found it an amusing read.
/r/MensRights30/05/19 05:27 PM
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Thais is how I feel about the abortion bills passing. I want equal reproductive rights. I've defended abortion, but any time I try to talk men's reproductive Rights, I get shut down as hating women or children without any form of response to my actual arguments. At this point, I'm just apathetic to them losing rights it feels like I will never have. I'm tired of defending their rights while mine get shit on and am considering just focusing on my rights almost exclusively because I don't want to …
/r/MensRights30/05/19 05:25 PM
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Seriously dude, that's totally bullshit. I don't give a fuck if you like him or not. I'm not a trump fanboy. I didn't vote for him. The only reason I'm remotely ok with him having won the election was because Hillary was his opponent. The fact is, Trump is a man. I don't give a damn of how you define a man. If anything, your argument is defining what a real man is as a way of justifying not caring about men's issues. It's almost like calling men who go to jail for not being able to pay child sup…
/r/MensRights30/05/19 05:12 PM
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The issue would be if the woman only car was the only car not full meaning women can board but men can't. They have overcrowded trains and that scenario is more likely because of that.
/r/MensRights29/05/19 05:21 PM
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Why imagine it. There's plenty of them as well as brigading and even news articles based on interviewing them to learn about us. Feminism attacks MRAs as individuals constantly as well as the movement as a whole. If you say something close to a men's issue, you will be branded as an MRA and your words will be dismissed on those grounds while you get straw manned into oblivion.
/r/MensRights29/05/19 05:06 PM
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I feel a lot in the same way. I've not heard good data showing a rape epidemic, but groping has been a growing problem for a while and having some form of action for a real problem is reasonable. To me, if they want a woman only train, they should have a men's only train just to keep from creating issues with space available on the train.
/r/MensRights29/05/19 04:57 PM
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I'm fairly left leaning as well. I also feel that the red pill and mgtow aren't my style. At the same time, if I go on the feminism subs, I will find something I disagree with in the first 3 posts from the top because they tend to ban aggressively and it makes for a pretty extreme echo chamber where people compete to be the most woke by pushing things one step farther than everyone else.
/r/MensRights28/05/19 10:57 PM
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I'm autistic and wanted to weigh in on this. This happens to many men and virtually all autistic men. I've been accused of "eye rape" when I space out from sensory overwhelm and a woman noticed my gaze was in her general direction. I get accused of being creepy because I don't get social norms and the feminist messaging for how men need to act is extremely contradictory. I honestly believe difficulty with social norms and attempts to understand via logic is what makes me meet so many autism spec…
/r/MensRights28/05/19 04:10 PM
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I think you need to apologise to Edward Norton's Hulk for putting him in the same category as this piece of shit. People talk about the movie for being shitty because of n unlikable character with feminist messaging played by a repulsive human being. I think those are good reasons to say it sucks, but the fact is, even without that, it would still be crap. It was boring with poor fight choreography and the worst shaky cam I've seen in years. There was way to much random "got ya" moments related …
/r/MensRights28/05/19 03:57 PM
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Just so you know, I'll be shocked if you make it through 3 threads being critical on the feminism sub without getting banned much less a week. The fact that you are posting here means it's possible you've been prebanned. I had a lot of views like you before I started attempting civil and nuanced disagreement with feminists. That was my red pill moment. When feminists acted against even the most nuanced disagreement in the way people said they would. Feminists always try to present as the most se…
/r/MensRights28/05/19 03:51 PM
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It's hilarious that you're comparing MGTOW to feminists while you seem to be unaware of what MGTOW is. I mean, I know you're just a troll, but at least put some pride in your trolling. MGTOW don't sit around could complaining women won't date them because MGTOW don't date women by choice.
/r/MensRights26/05/19 05:10 PM
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Because that ain't me. I've never been one to ask an authority to save me in a crisis. If you have so much disdain for women acting that way, why would you encourage me to act that way? It's not my job. It's my quality of character. I help those who can't help themselves. I draw the line at helping those that won't help themselves.
/r/MensRights26/05/19 06:54 AM
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My issue is that I would take that risk for virtually anyone. To me, the better argument is: if you aren't willing to risk your life for an old man, don't do so for a young woman. I can't just see someone in crisis and walk away. That being said, I'll think far harder about a woman because of the legal complications of the current climate.
/r/MensRights26/05/19 06:31 AM
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I will give them credit for consistency in their application of mental gymnastics to cover any flaw in their narrative. That being said, I wasn't aware that journalists were a protected class. As far as I knew they're just normal people with normal first amendment protections and nothing else.
/r/MensRights25/05/19 04:21 AM
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I'm going to actually bite and respond rather than just downvoting and moving on with my night. - Hunting should not be a thing unless you need to kill animals to eat, which you probably don't If you're eating meat, an animal died for that. I don't have to hunt to eat, but to me, killing a wild animal with a happy life is a hell of a lot more humane than factory farming. Also,where I live, if everyone stopped hunting deer, they would overpopulate and lead to a food crisis. I don't need to hunt f…
/r/MensRights25/05/19 04:19 AM
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Isn't learn to code hate speech now? We need to report him to the feminist thought police for this. Also, the repairing cars thing is so laughable. Not only are mechanics essential in modern society, but the amount of money I save by doing most of my own repairs is staggering. I spent $35 including a couple tools I had to buy to replace my fiancee's power window motor and the garage wanted $400. I spent $30 rebuilding my power steering pump and the garage wanted $350 to fix it. Basically, the au…
/r/MensRights25/05/19 04:01 AM
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or actually believe what you posted. If you're being serious, I'd be willing to have a discussion with you and hear your perspective if you'll hear mine. Long story short, I don't buy the narrative that women have always had it worse than men because it's formed by comparing women of the past to modern society while ignoring how bad things were for men in the same era. I'm not even asserting that men had it worse, though that could be debated. I'm just sayi…
/r/MensRights24/05/19 10:34 PM
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I agree, your solution is quite possibly ideal. The problem is, you came here to shit on men when men are the ones suffering more on the current dynamic and women are the one lacking in accountability in the current climate. If you want to rage for your perfect society, attack the female privilege. Don't come here shitting on the people who are unhappy men are facing inequality by being in the place you want men to be when women are currently raging at losing ground and approaching equality with…
/r/MensRights24/05/19 03:52 AM
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Can you not see this double standard? Child support is not allowing men to do exactly what you're supporting women having. If a woman can have a child and then abandon it to the state with no legal or financial repercussions when she had the choice to abort, how is it not a double standard to say men should have to pay because they had sex, even in cases of contraceptive fraud? Also, you say you don't want to pay for deadbeat dads' kids with your taxes but support safe haven rules that do just t…
/r/MensRights23/05/19 07:26 PM
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This is simply untrue. If you are acting in the role of father for a child, you are legally on the hook for child support. Paternity is irrelevant. If you date and cohabitate with a single mother for long enough, a court can rule you owe child support even though the child was fully known to not be yours from the beginning.
/r/MensRights23/05/19 07:20 PM
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I know a person whose wife plead down multiple felonies including kidnapping the child and taking him over sea to Europe. They offered a plea of disorderly contact to save her the deportation reasoning that having he in the kids life was in the child's best interest because he needs his mom in his life even though he was the primary victim in the crime and has expressed he doesn't even want to talk to her any more.
/r/MensRights22/05/19 10:23 PM
2

I've used those, the thin ones don't help much and the sensation ones just feel like I'm fucking a forest fire. I use them to prevent pregnancy, but I wish I had a better option like vasogel available.
/r/MensRights22/05/19 07:59 PM
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Condoms are great tech, but they work really poorly for many circumcised men due to them already having reduced sensitivity. It took me months before I could reliably wear a condom for sex without losing erection.
/r/MensRights22/05/19 07:53 PM
2

Yeah, this is exactly what I was referring to. You're just a troll getting your jollies off of being a total asshole.
/r/MensRights22/05/19 05:20 PM
2

What a great and intellectual post. You have swayed my opinion through your obviously heavily researched appeal to authority and ad hominem attacks. /S Seriously dude, routine circumcision is a minor amputation. Being more hygenic is not a good justification when basic hygenic practice solves the problem. That would be like removing children's finger and to nails because people don't always clean under them well and dirt under nails is a major disease vector, but people would see that as insane …
/r/MensRights22/05/19 05:17 PM
16

I hate how much bullshit false dichotomy is used in the abortion discussion. I honestly don't care if you are for or against abortion. I'm against it but believe it is a right under bodily autonomy. At the same time, there's just no real way to explain to these people that the only people who have their reproductive rights under attack are women because only women have reproductive rights to attack. The also have many more options to prevent causing pregnancy than men do. I'm honestly jealous th…
/r/MensRights22/05/19 05:09 PM
2

By this logic, women getting raped by men isn't as bad as men getting raped by women because many women have rape fantasies. I'm obviously not claiming this as the case, but I felt like it was worth pointing out how insane it is to justify rape because the victim may have fantasized about it as well as the fact that people often do that with teacher rape.
/r/MensRights22/05/19 04:58 PM
8

He said removal of the clitoral hood is comparable to the standard procedure of removing the foreskin. Those two parts are biologically very similar and only differentiate based on hormones and chromosomes. Look into male genital mutilation in the third world, there are extreme forms of it as well. There is also the historical matter of the castrati and eunuchs. People just insist that all FGM is the worst case and all MGM is the best case. Percentage wise, there is a huge gap, but only because …
/r/MensRights22/05/19 04:47 PM
2

I'm getting the impression that you might be towards the alt right area of the right. I say this because you have used collectivist language as well as the way you say real power. I oppose collectivism related to guilt and pride because I see tribalistic behavior as dangerous whatever side of the isle it comes from.
/r/MensRights21/05/19 04:29 PM
11

Then what are you? You might not be a leftist, but you do seem to believe in collectivism and that white men did something to justify racist and sexist acts against them now. I don't give a damn what politics you follow, the implications of your post make you seem like you condone racism and/or sexism.
/r/MensRights21/05/19 04:06 PM
6

There seems to be a case of wanting a double standard. The person wants to be treated as a man, but then is offended when that is a worse deal.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 08:49 PM
1

I generally just assume that everything is awful and changes will maintain the status quo on some level. It helps me be more chill in life rather than being naive and starry eyed and being constantly disappointed in reality. No need to apologise. I'm just here to discuss my opinions and the state of human rights. I always assume ignorance or carelessness in wording over malice until proven otherwise.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 08:44 PM
5

While I agree that he is a man, he is female. Some people may find my view transphobic, but I don't care. Male and female are terms for biological sex and have nothing to do with gender identity or presentation. Even after transition, the sex a person was born as biases their risks of certain diseases, even if on hormone therapy. I'm happy to respect your gender and call you he or she if you transition, but not erasing the reality of biological sex in the pursuit of respecting their transition i…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 08:36 PM
8

There are plenty of reproductive ailments that can make pregnancy dangerous that have little to no affect on a woman's ability to be a parent.
/r/MensRights18/05/19 08:27 PM
3

This is my stance on abortion. I don't like it, but I feel the fact that, in the US, we extend bodily autonomy beyond death and people have no right to your organs that can save their life without your consent, that abortion rights are a philosophically consistent view. With artificial wombs it would be possible for a woman to express bodily autonomy and evict a child to an artificial womb and not end the life of the child. At the same time, I don't think it will be nearly as easy to make men be…
/r/MensRights18/05/19 08:25 PM
1

Honestly, both. The initial molestation had dies down but increased in frequency towards that age. At around the same time I got a rapey girlfriend who my friends hooked me up with and praised her sexual acts that made me uncomfortable because I was a gun-shy victim and they wanted a girlfriend who would do those sexy things with them. I don't blame her because she didn't know I was a victim and tended to freeze and not express myself well. I feel like my original molester started being more act…
/r/MensRights10/05/19 08:35 PM
8

While I'd like to believe we could just get equal sentences without a discussion causing more awareness and acceptance that practices such as that are unjustly discriminatory, I don't see how we could get the laws or judicial practices changed.
/r/MensRights09/05/19 10:59 PM
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I'd say it's bad, but as a person who was molested at 5 and in my early teens, I'm of the opinion they're all wrong but pedophilia is significantly more fucked up. Just because one is worse doesn't mean the other two are even remotely acceptable.
/r/MensRights09/05/19 10:56 PM
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That's the tactic I've been using, and the amount you argue facts or feelings seems not to change their reaction. When they say rape cultre is a problem, I agree emphatically and launch into talking about times my male friends and I have been groped, raped, or mocked for not liking it and shamed. Outside of the most radical extremists, it always puts them on their heels unable to form much of an argument.
/r/MensRights09/05/19 10:52 PM
5

Do you believe toxic femininity exists? What are some examples if you do? I'm willing to talk, but my knee jerk isn't very polite.
/r/MensRights27/04/19 11:32 PM
2

Trigger warnings as they are used now are the opposite of what is considered psychologically healthy for PTSD. I know this because I have PTSD and controlled exposure leads to desensitization to the triggering stimulus. Trigger warnings and avoidance cause the trigger to get more ingrained. This isn't even new science. Psychology has used exposure therapy to treat triggers since before trigger warnings were really even a thing.
/r/MensRights18/04/19 03:59 AM
1

The part I find laughable is that you think I'd give a fuck much less be angry. If women can't handle that shit, it's whatever. People who are hyper emotional piss me off, too. There is a massive difference between being hyper emotional and crying. I'm generally rather stoic. When I tear up at art, music, etc, I've never had it cause women to turn me away or shame me, and even if they did, I'd just mover the fuck on because I don't need them to be happy.
/r/MensRights17/04/19 09:17 AM
1

That's how I feel. For my 2nd anniversary with my now fiancee, she took me to see lion King on Broadway. I cried. Multiple times. I didn't sob. I wasn't a mess. I handle my shit in day to day life. Crying from passion and excitement isn't being a mess of estrogen. I'm not crying because I need help or attention. I've been moved to tears by a violin symphony on a good sound system sitting all alone, and at no point did I want someone else there. The fact is, if you're passionate, excited, and inv…
/r/MensRights17/04/19 12:23 AM
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This is what I came here to say. I don't wear my fucking cargo pants and cargo shorts for anyone else. I wear them because they're comfortable and functional. Of a woman can wear a plunging neckline for herself, I can wear a comfortable and functional pair of my pants for myself.
/r/MensRights17/04/19 12:15 AM
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I was not aware. My bad. If that's you in the video, I'll give it a shot and discuss with you. I'm watching a show now, but I'll get around to it and respond. I disliked the last Jedi but I enjoyed the force awakens. I'll be interested to see how our perspectives clash and where we have common ground.
/r/MensRights06/04/19 04:26 AM
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If you're actually looking for a discussion post your thoughts and opinions. Start the discussion and put some effort into it. Until you put in a modicum of effort, I'm of the assumption you're just stirring the pot and trolling.
/r/MensRights06/04/19 04:03 AM
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I watched it, ND the first 3ish episodes we're poorly written shit. It was constant exposition bombing with them explaining shit to characters that they should already know. They also were sjw as fuck. After something like the 3rd episode, the quality of writing improved and they cut back on the SJW nonsense. I actually enjoyed the show a good bit once they toned that shit down, but I still don't think I'd recommend the show because the first episodes sucked so much.
/r/MensRights06/04/19 03:50 AM
1

I'd say the fact that they aren't opposites is why it works. Sexist isn't the opposite of feminist either. They are the words those groups refer to their outgroup using.
/r/MensRights04/04/19 05:24 PM
1

A no, but the leadership and organizations with power in the movement are constantly saying that men are the problem and women need more advantages while dismissing men's issues and problems women create or laws that are blatantly discriminatory against men. No one thinks feminism isn't about equality because of some random bedroom or coffee shop feminist spouting hate. We think it's not about equality because the leadership and organizations as well as protest mobs that push a bigoted narrative…
/r/MensRights04/04/19 05:04 PM
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I'd disagree. Feminism isn't equality. The definition of the word is advocating for women's rights in the pursuit of gender equality. It says nothing about men's rights, minority rights, trans rights, or anything else feminism has extended to. More than that, the more power a feminist is, they more likely they are to be openly misandric. The movement isn't about equality, it's about power and control, and the people who claim the title and want equality are seen as little more than useful idiots…
/r/MensRights04/04/19 03:26 AM
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While I understand that height is innate to your genetics and weight is a result of your choices, it's still an apt comparison in many ways. Height for men and weight for women seem to be the most common lies told on dating profiles. They're also a major focus of partner selection. Sure, men can't grow and women can lose weight, but that doesn't mean one attraction is acceptable and one is not. Sure, it's bullshit how most women want exceptionally tall men, but it's still a dating preference. Pe…
/r/MensRights30/03/19 06:20 PM
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I don't see it that way. Then again I'm left leaning and support the second amendment strongly. To say you have to be a conservative to support the NRA is, in itself, a tribalistic stance.
/r/MensRights30/03/19 06:07 PM
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I assume they are a troll, but I try to either engage in good faith or down vote and move along without speaking. I decided to respond because I like to call out that point on the definition any time I hear that argument. If that gets pointed out enough, it might get heard by the normies.
/r/MensRights18/03/19 12:25 AM
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People need to address the elephant in the room. It says advocating for women's rights for equality. The definition, much like patriarchy theory, automatically assumes that women have it worse.
/r/MensRights17/03/19 11:32 PM
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Not just both traditional gender roles, but I'd agree both sexes as well. There are things related to how hormones actually impact people that are best learned by people with those hormones. A man better understands what growing up with testosterone is like and a woman understands what growing up with estrogen is like. Learning about both sides makes it easier to have healthy social interactions. The role models don't have to be parents, but they do need to be involved in the child's life in a m…
/r/MensRights17/03/19 06:12 PM
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No one can debunk your arguments if you don't make any insert meme of pointing at eyebrow, you know which one
/r/MensRights17/03/19 06:06 PM
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Yeah, I decided to skin his post history quick and more or less, all he does is fire insults at people he disagrees with and proclaim his superiority. It seems like we have an intellectual giant on our hands.
/r/MensRights17/03/19 06:05 PM
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I don't doubt it. At the same time, my belief if that if I make it a habit of offering actual discussion with everyone who hate, most of them will just ignore me. Others will continue to throw baseless accusations, and a very small minority might actually talk with me. The way I see it, any path they take I win. If they ignore me or just sling insults, they don't come across well to any observers. If they do discuss, they either give me better insight into the arguments I can expect and how to c…
/r/MensRights17/03/19 05:58 PM
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Try having an actual good faith discussion some time, and you'd find how wrong your perspective actually is. In fact, give me actual reasons we are worthless, and I bet you they're based on misinformation or bias rather than based upon what this sub and its members actually stand for. You can sling shit all you want, bust shit slinging is as worthless as you think we are. Either have an adult conversation and actually express yourself clearly or shut up because you're just wasting everyone's tim…
/r/MensRights17/03/19 05:50 PM
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I mean, I get that, but this is just what the data gathered on the sub from a survey said. I know that I don't care for those issues, but I'm not around here to argue with people as much as to have discussions and gather information for my real life actions.
/r/MensRights14/03/19 08:37 AM
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It's not that the definition changed, it's that the fringe left people define right as anything right of them as right and the fringe right defines anything left of them as left. This leaves probably about 95% of the population as being called left by the right and right by the left. Currently the fringe left has the loudest voice and is trying to define alt right as anything right of Bernie Sanders. They don't get to define what left is that way. They're just doing it as an attack to try to sha…
/r/MensRights13/03/19 10:21 PM
2

So what? For each woman and child you save you kill one man. I don't see a reason to discriminate on that basis because repopulating the tribe isn't a realistic concern in the modern era. It's merely a left over justification from when that was a concern that ha little to no impact on modern reality.
/r/MensRights13/03/19 10:17 PM
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The demographic study done here says the sub averages left centrist. We just get viewed as right because the left has gone so far left that center left gets called right
/r/MensRights13/03/19 10:12 PM
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I agree that they aren't all bad. There are places where I agree with them. They aren't the norm, and I hate how soft their language is when we agree, almost like they're ashamed to say it. At the same time, I try my best to avoid tribalism because it's what I hate most about their sub. I'll talk with anyone. I'll try to understand what they are saying and where they are coming from before I cast judgement. I hate it when people judge before they listen. I also hate hypocrites. Therefore I striv…
/r/MensRights11/03/19 12:54 AM
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That's bush league mental gymnastics. All they have to do is assert you're just claiming to be a women to win an argument. Then you need to get emotional and call them a TERF and say that they don't get to determine your gender identity. Then they will get mad and call you an autistic incel and somehow that means they win the argument and are superior to you and they totally aren't being a bigot placing the entirety of a man's worth on their sexual conquests and their not being disabled.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 11:45 PM
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I was seriously considering making this post this morning, but I haven't put it together fully. I'm probably going to make one like it later today or in the next few days, but it's more than likely to be an essay shouting into the abyss.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 10:51 PM
3

Any time. I work at a Starbucks, so it's a thing I've had to pay a lot of attention to in day to day life.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 10:23 PM
9

Most MRAs aren't out in public because it puts a target on your back. I've learned how to use feminist language to make MRA points in public as a way of testing the waters to see if I can actually be openly MRA or anti feminist with a person IRL. There's a lot more MRAs and people who are sympathetic to men's issues than I expected. It's just figuring out who they are is hard. The most important thing to doing so is to start with statements and statistics that are on topic and see how they respo…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 10:02 PM
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I just skimmed the article, but I was actually pleasantly surprised at it. It's from the guardian and cross-linked from men'slib so I was expecting it to be a massive victim blaming diatribe, but I was wrong. It talks specifically about an informal group therapy session between men and how it works. It strips a lot of the formalities of therapy and focuses more on men just getting together at a bar and shooting the shit about life and things they need to get off their chest. The article even ack…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 07:27 PM
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I'm going to read the article and do just that, but I will say I've got a bias because menslib leaves a bad taste in my mouth with how they used a feminist perspective to analyze men's issues and often come to conclusions very askew of the reality of living life as a man and what helps or hurts me.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 07:15 PM
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I've seen stats on this globally for about a decade now, and I feel like there is intent in the suppression in of what should be common knowledge by now. My assumption is that feminists really don't like this because they portray all rape as an intentional form of dominance through the patriarchy to assert the narrative of rape culture. If sexual outlets becoming more available reduces rape, then obviously some rape isn't about power and control but because of some people get horny and stupid. W…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 07:09 PM
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Oh come on man, you aren't even trying any more. Where's the spamming offensive terms? Where's the insults? Where's the passion? It's like you don't love me anymore more. REEEEEEEE! My life is without meaning as you see right through me. I'm going to get my mom to make me some tendies to soothe me after this great loss.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 06:50 PM
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I assume he's referring to the culture war going on with feminism against non feminism where most issues are framed in terms of gender. The current cultural battle going on, at least in the US tends to be heavily framed around gender with men or women being praised or demonized as a group based on any possible reason. With that being said, it's also extremely common for hating a woman or disagreeing with a women to be conflated with hating all women.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 06:46 PM
3

Nope, you misread things. I can enjoy a bit of internet drama from time to time, and I'm certain that's something we have in common. I also have no need of control over the conversation because it's just been my entertainment while I have my morning coffee, smoke, and shit. I enjoy feeding trolls and seeing how they respond. It's a hobby of mine because autistic people are weird as fuck in what interests us. At this point, I'm more curious what shit is going to come out of your mouth next becaus…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 06:40 PM
3

I'm actually autistic, by the way. I've also got a full time job, and a fiancee. That's probably a fair cut above someone on the internet who thinks running around and trolling by saying the most vial insults their juvenile mind can put together. I'm going to try something here. Actually be brave enough to have a real conversation without juvenile insults and strawmen. To me, the kind of posts you're making here are far more whiny beta playing tough guy than what you accuse this sub of. It shows…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 06:09 PM
4

Oh wow, this person is post stalking people in their attempts at trolling? Man, this person is going places in life.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 06:04 PM
3

What the fuck are you even responding to?
/r/MensRights10/03/19 05:59 PM
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I'm going to lead off with a contraversial statement because of who I am as a person, but stick with me. Emotional labor absolutely exists. Emotional labor is the hard part of working a service job. Emotional labor is the effort it takes to appear caring and happy while dealing with a customer you fucking hate. Emotional labor is not being a decent human being towards the people you supposedly love. Once again, feminists have warped a term by injecting patriarchy theory into the definition. They…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 05:53 PM
6

While I agree this is a bit of a shit post, I'm getting tired of people here throwing around the term incel as an insult. Incels exist because of scorn for men and extreme isolation. They can act in vile and detestable ways, but at their core they're just lonely, sad and lashing out at the world. Using incel as an insult like that shouldn't be a part of the conversation. Call him an asshole. Call him a troll. Call him a shit poster. Call him a loser. Use a term that fits how you feel rather than…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 05:31 PM
12

I can say for a fact that there is room for transmen in the MRM. I know more than one involved in the movement, and the vast majority of MRAs I know think of them simply as men. The fact is, to be an MRA, you just have to believe men have issues, too and want to help fix those issues. The movement has men, women, gay, straight, bisexual, black, white, Asian, Indian, middle eastern, and pretty much any other group of people you can think of. People just don't realize how diverse the movement is b…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 05:26 PM
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I used this term to describe myself until I found the term egalitarian. Turns out, their mental gymnastics makes that a dog whistle for sexist. By their logic, feminism is equality, so if you're using a different label to say you believe in equality, your concept of equality must not be true equality and therefore is anti feminist and anti woman and probably anti minority, too.
/r/MensRights10/03/19 05:21 PM
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Feminism does constant purity testing. If they don't like you or can't find someone they dislike more, they go down the list and find the first box they can tick off to feed their outrage. I honestly believe most of them suffer from outrage addiction and just need to feed their outrage. I've learned to stop taking it personally because their outrage isn't about me, it's about their need to feel outraged and get praise for publicly calling people out. Don't get me wrong, I still fight against suc…
/r/MensRights10/03/19 05:15 PM
2

Agreed. I thought it's original exposure was for people to share the fact that they had been sexually harassed, sexually assalted, or raped. It very quickly shifted to women only when men started sharing, but I never saw it related to human trafficking.
/r/MensRights04/03/19 01:05 AM
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I'm certain by the way she is talking that she supports women only spaces. I personally am fine with exclusionist spaces as long as you can go by whatever metric you want. Either people are allowed to congregate along lines, or they aren't. If a gay bar wants to be men only, go for it. If a feminist shop wants to be women only, go for it. To sustain an exclusionist space, you need to cater to your demographic extremely well because you've already reduced potential clientele. It's sink or swim ru…
/r/MensRights03/03/19 12:19 AM
3

The biggest thing I found surprising is how low the neuroticism that was. For a group that is often branded as snowflake reactionary crybabies, such a low neuroticism score is indicative of people acting upon biases rather than upon actual analysis of the population.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 10:06 PM
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In my experience, most of us came here from similar backgrounds of some form. Feminists abuses seem insane compared to their stated beliefs with only slight thought. People just don't see it until it happens to them because it's so normal in society.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 09:08 AM
3

It's a brilliant political move. Make campaign promises that have already been accomplished so that you say you kept all your promises the instant you take the office.
/r/MensRights02/03/19 04:42 AM
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Thanks for the reminder. I read it some when I got home and then spent the rest of my night chatting with my roommate about life issues and trying to help him out and just passed out. Probably gonna do a reread or two and then reply tonight after work because I'm really enjoying the results of these surveys because they're so different than what people expect us to be.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 07:19 PM
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Just wanted to chime in. I found this place with help from a friend, and it probably saved my life. He turned me on to Karen Straughan after a really rough break up, and I found this sub after I started looking into the Honey Badgers. I had a lot of anger and confusion because I'm odd and feminism treated me as evil even though I have identified as a feminist most of my life. I'm autistic, gender confused, and basically asexual. All I know is that my identity never mattered here. My thoughts and…
/r/MensRights01/03/19 10:13 AM
2

I view this group as a hub and a springboard for men's rights. There's venting, planning, and shit posting. This isn't the place the core of activism for men's rights takes place. It's an international hub. It's the place we meet to share and talk. I'd advise finding local groups or other groups that mesh with your desires as well and not have this sub be the entirety of your advocay for men's rights.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 06:41 AM
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I felt a need to respond. If you're actually in highschool, you're a gifted writer. Seriously. I seldom see adults, even people who have written and taken a passion for it for decades, write as well as you do. That situation is fucked. I have detached myself from people who lean feminist for being treated in a comparable way. I'm unusually verbally eloquent for an autistic person and I'm asexual as well, and i used to spend a lot of time around feminists. The looks of feminists treating me as th…
/r/MensRights01/03/19 06:37 AM
1

I doubt that. In my experience I've seen homosexual couples in general have an easier time finding new partners. It just doesn't make sense to me that a disparity such as that would have such a profound impact on suicide statistics. I really do think it's the kind of emotional abuse more common in women that is the problem because I don't have an alternate hypothesis that fits the stats I've seen and experiences I've had in life nearly as well.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:45 AM
2

Fair enough. Almost all of the talking I do about child support relates to advocacy for financial abortion so my bias on the topic came out. I do feel the whole child support system needs a rework with caps and a more easily adapted support amount. It's obscene to me that people can be required to pay so much money to support a child just because they're rich.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:38 AM
2

Thanks for the clarification. I was glancing through it at work on a short break so I missed that distinction. Then again, that makes it a bit more extreme that the risk factor seems to be dating a woman rather than breaking up.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:30 AM
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The thing is, as long as abortion is an option for women, men being able to opt out financially isn't reversing the problem. A woman can opt out of parentage unilaterally after conception. A man can only opt out if the woman decides to let him. Both men and women having the ability to opt out is a lot closer to equality than any previous state.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:27 AM
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Oh no, I can totally agree their double standard is bullshit. I'm just saying that there are tons of double standards around things like that and it's worth keeping in mind so that we don't make the same mistakes as our opponents. Consistency is important to any stance and my statement applied less to people I see here and more to my nerd forums I'm on so it was fresh in my mind.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 04:01 AM
4

Fair enough. Comprehension fail on my part and I concede my fail.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 03:56 AM
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I find the stat on disparity between heterosexual and gay breakups interesting. To me, it implies that breaking up with a woman carries a significantly higher risk of suicide. Having gone through breakups with women, I would wager a guess it's related to how verbally abusive many women get during a breakup, but this is speculation.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 01:48 AM
1

They're saying thot isn't a gendered term, not misogynistic.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 01:43 AM
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Even if the results demographically match reddit, I would consider that a finding of note in that it means MRAs are a diverse group that match the demographics of the groups around them.
/r/MensRights01/03/19 01:41 AM
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Tagging here with a comment to remind me to do this when I get home and give more visibility to the post.
/r/MensRights28/02/19 11:09 PM
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I agree. It's honestly a double standard that some people are outraged about their costumes not matching the comics when X-Men movies have never been faithful to the comics because the color pallet looks far better in comics than it does on film. Any translation to film will have changes, and this matters to me far less than them treating the source material respectfully and not using a beloved franchise to push ideology.
/r/MensRights28/02/19 10:38 PM
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I've lurked there and posted a few times. I think they're pretty hateful and inconsistent on their stances. They're also really bad at conflating MRAs, PUAs, MGTOWs, incels, red illers, and other such groups. That being said, there are a couple of things I respect about them. One is they're the least aggressive banning feminist sub. The other is they don't tend to brigade, doxx, etc. Best bet with them is to just ignore them. They're low volume, low subscriber, and over all not really relevant.
/r/MensRights28/02/19 04:47 AM
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I can say that CBT made a massive difference in my childhood and teen years. It gave me the ability to consciously redirect my thoughts away from negativity and channel the energy into productivity. The best part is, once you get a good bit of practice, it becomes easy to do without a psychologist.
/r/MensRights28/02/19 01:49 AM
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I'm neither an incel or Mgtow. My best friend is a Mgtow and he's sympathetic to men's issues, but he's not an MRA. On political compass tests, I fall slightly left of center in the classical liberal section.
/r/MensRights28/02/19 01:43 AM
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I don't consider not going to see a movie that I'm not interested in a boycott. If the movie looked good, and I was avoiding it to make a statement, that would be a boycott. I just don't have faith it will actually be good and not a ham fisted feminist diatribe with the way PR is talking about it.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 11:53 PM
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No.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 11:50 PM
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There's some good shrinks out there, but they're rare. My shrink focuses on action based plans to help me process my feelings and be productive. It works far better for me than just lying on a couch and bitching. In my mind, if bitching about a problem fixes it, it isn't the problem, you are.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 09:37 PM
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Men don't just ask for support for no reason. As a man who has tried, I usually get kicked when I'm down unless I'm extremely cautious about who I ask. At best I usually get a that sucks bro. Many men are making a rational decision to not ask for help based on past experiences.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 09:36 PM
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I've always disagreed with the narrative of don't have sex if you don't want kids. A lack of sex can have a negative effect on mental health. People have sex for fun and happy chemicals released in their brain and saying no sex if you don't want a kid just isn't realistic or reasonable. Abstinence only sex Ed leads to increased teen pregnancy rates for a reason.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 12:31 AM
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This is how I felt about the app. It's stupid and demonizing men in the way they talk about it, but I wouldn't mind not having the pressure to make the first move and face likely rejection.
/r/MensRights27/02/19 12:27 AM
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I think you're taking this wrong. I really enjoyed the film. I'm not saying the movie was bad. I'm saying the characters were weak. I loved John Wick as well, but he's a weak character in writing terms meaning he lacks depth. Neither movie needed depth to the characters because the action was the star in both movies. It wasn't a complaint against the movie, it was just an example in the long list of strong female character PR turning out to mean a powerful character who lacks depth. Depth isn't …
/r/MensRights26/02/19 09:56 PM
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For mad Max, it was an enjoyable romp, but it utterly lacked in character development and nuance. It's probably the best girl power movie I've seen because it was basically a mindless action flick but with women leads. As for captain marvel, I'm basically going to take the same tactic as you. I'm certain I won't see it opening weak because I want them to know their PR was a failure. If it gets good word of mouth from people I trust, I'll see it, otherwise I'll just read a spoiler list and then s…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 07:30 PM
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They weren't actual reviews. It was the audience excitement meter. People were voting if they did or didn't want to see the movie based on trailers and press, and people said no. The slant of all the articles calling them reviews is dishonest at best and more than likely intentionally malicious with the intent of discrediting people who aren't happy with how they've publicized the movie.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 07:10 PM
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This is the issue I take as well. The SJW push for how to make female characters is bad writing. With the way they complain about anything less than perfect about female characters being sexist, male characters are the only ones allowed to have flaws, depth, failure, and character development. If Rey in starwars had all of that, she'd not be a Mary Sue. She'd be a lot closer to Luke skywalker, and the movie would be better for it.
/r/MensRights26/02/19 07:07 PM
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I actually feel like a big part that made them so awesome is that they weren't ALWAYS badass. They actually grew and developed into a badass like a fully realized character, and that is what made them compelling character. They used the same formula as they do for compelling male characters but they did so with a female character and put some femininity in rather than some masculinity. Honestly, if Captain Marvel wasn't a tie into Avengers: End Game, I'd have an utter lack of caring and just ign…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 07:04 PM
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Ok but she was specifically talking about A Wrinkle In Time, not comic book movies. Nice reach bro. She was talking at an interview about her comic book movie. Either she wandered blindly off course and said something profound about a different movie and somehow you were the only person who noticed the topic shift, or she was making a statement related to her movie that used another movie as an example. The most logical answer is sue implied this movies is being made, at least in her mind, for w…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 06:59 PM
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My disinterest in seeing the film isn't because she hurt my feelings. I don't give a fuck about her one way or the other. My disinterest comes from the way they're publicising the movie and past experiences. I've never seen a movie where the press focuses on strong woman led movie who don't need no man that I enjoyed. Most of them I detested for having poor writing and aggressive agenda pushing. Ghostbusters was a good example of this. I felt the same way about the new Mad Max. I'm not offended.…
/r/MensRights26/02/19 06:43 PM
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Very interesting and I imagine this will grow into feminists claiming to be the MRA or to have started it or something like that in 5 or 10 years. Too late. They already claim that they started advocay for men's rights via men's liberation and the father's rights movement and claim that the MRM is an extremist offshoot based in mysogyny and traditional patriarchal structures. Never let reality get in the way of the narrative.
/r/MensRights25/02/19 10:19 PM
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A weak character has nothing to do with how powerful they are as an entity. A strong character is a character with flaws, weaknesses, motivations, development, and all the other things with being complex. Strong characters are complex. She's a basic Mary Sue. She is a character who happens to be extremely strong, but her character is extremely weak lacking reasonable flaws, motivation, development, struggles, etc.
/r/MensRights25/02/19 07:57 PM
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I dislike the modern conversation constantly conflating a strong character with being strong. A character can be strong but be a weak character. Rey in the last Jedi is a great example of a weak character who is strong. On the other hand, Ms. Brisby from secret of nihm was a strong character who was weak but fleshed out with courage and a drive to protect others and make things right. Feminists aren't making strong female characters. They making weak female characters who are strong and kinda bi…
/r/MensRights25/02/19 06:15 PM
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Reading through it, if her story is factual and he should be in prison. People do bad things. Him doing this speaks to relational entitlement that both men and women do. It's not a healthy behavior at all. It's criminal when it goes to extremes and abusive at most levels. I could see talking about relational entitlement to it, but it's nothing to do with men's rights because he's a rapist and I'm comfortable saying that people here definitely are against rape. She gave negative consent and he fo…
/r/MensRights24/02/19 10:29 AM
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I've had it happen. She was bitchy at me over it, but she didn't want to talk about it and when she remembered what she was mad at she chilled out. She was mad at me more than once over me cheating on her in a dream even though I never did IRL.
/r/MensRights24/02/19 06:40 AM
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A lot of porn actually subjectifies the performer. Things like looking directly at the camera or focusing on the expression of the woman. I personally prefer that kind of pornography, but not everyone is the same. My issue with the feminist talking point is that they make it out to be the majority of pornography when that's simply false. There's porn for every taste, and some of it may be offensive to some people. In my opinion, porn stars are, on average, no more objectified and dehumanized tha…
/r/MensRights23/02/19 09:27 PM
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I drift all over reddit for subs related to the culture war, but I don't really sub to any of them because most of them are either toxic or have insane moderation that makes threads unreadable. As for more discussion here, the way to create that climate is by joining people like me who sort by new and make discussion type comments. A discussion comment with some nuance at the start of a post really helps to set a tone in the thread and shapes its future. Also realize that many article or picture…
/r/MensRights23/02/19 09:22 PM
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I understand your anger. It's fucked up what happened to you. It's wrong. At the same time, she was propagandized. It's truly possible she believed, no matter how wrong her belief was, she was doing the best for you. I understand you're hurt, but anger at her helps no one. You can be angry that what happened to you isn't ok. Turn that anger towards protecting people from going through what you went through. This is a thing where the social norms is fucked, and you shouldn't hate the person for b…
/r/MensRights23/02/19 01:52 AM
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I think a big problem is that having issues with specific behaviors expressed by specific women being considered sexist. Those posts often are related to the court letting women get away with such behavior. They're also about the fact that social media allows that behavior while being insanely censorious towards other more benign behaviors. On top of all that, in virtually any sub, the front page is always full of simple and punchy meme type posts because they're easy to digest.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 06:32 PM
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Linguistic slip. I meant partners at all times. Kids make it more valuable as it's obviously harder with kids involved. Being a stay at home parent with kids from someone you aren't partnered with is different. If a person wants to be a stay at home partner without kids, they better do more than just cook and clean well, they need the skill to maintain, repiar, and upgrade the home. That kind of thing should be respected.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 01:03 AM
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I wish there was a climate where the genuinely good stay at home partners, male or female, could get respect for doing that time well. It takes extremely good time management to do really well. At the same time, I don't want the people who just sign on the line and do shit as a stay at home parent to be able to abuse the system to take half while not contributing and only consuming the entire relationship. Good stay at home parents are valuable, but they have to be good at what they do, just lik…
/r/MensRights22/02/19 12:09 AM
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This here is why I love this sub. It's insanely rare on Reddit for me to see a disagreement on original comments turn out this wholesome and interesting. I probably see it here far more often than anywhere else I sub.
/r/MensRights22/02/19 12:04 AM
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Any time. I see comedy at the ultimate bastion of free speech and will defend anything that is comedy from consequences of making the joke. I may love or hate the joke, but if we can't say something as a joke, free speech is dead.
/r/MensRights21/02/19 11:58 PM
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The real humor that makes people legends is when they get comfort in people laughing WITH them at their own pain. It's why legendary comedians kill themselves. The laughs are balm, but eventually it's not enough to soothe their pain and the laughter ends and they can't cope.
/r/MensRights21/02/19 11:56 PM
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A long time ago, I decided that everyone on the internet is a troll of some sort. We all vent in extreme ways when we're online. Either it's gallows humor, or it's legitimate. Either way I can still laugh at the absurdity of the statement. Things are fucked you and people hate each other. I can either laugh and lean on facts and statistics or I can shattered at the state of the world. I choose to just laugh it off either way. Take my actions against problems I see and laugh off the pain. It's a …
/r/MensRights21/02/19 11:46 PM
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I appreciate his gallows humor. I use it regularly to cope myself, and I'm not going to judge anyone for using gallows related to a topic that is emotionally intense. The ability to laugh at such a bold and direct statement of what I get said to me hidden behind pretty lies and distractions feels relieving.
/r/MensRights21/02/19 11:38 PM
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She is literally bragging about how fun it is to gaslight someone who trusts you. There is a special hell for people who not only act like her but are narcissistic enough to be happy to brag about it.
/r/MensRights21/02/19 11:30 PM
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Ok, I'm going to tirade here. This fucking pisses me off. Feminists constantly fall back on the dictionary definition of feminism to protect their insane rhetoric. Feminism is the advocacy for women's issues in pursuit of gender equality. If we accept that for this article, there is only one rational interpretation of the article. We must redefine our men from the ground up to better serve women's happiness to make society equal. Their concept is indoctrinating and manipulating almost half of th…
/r/MensRights21/02/19 10:03 PM
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I've got a regular customer at work, and the dude has chiseled features. Like, unnaturally so. He's a striking figure, and I couldn't shake the feeling something what off. After about a month, I noticed that the dude actually wears makeup and contours the lines of his face for that effect. It blew my mind, but I had to respect how on point his makeup game was.
/r/MensRights20/02/19 01:41 AM
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I'm worried because all of the press is focused on her being a strong woman and nothing about the story, and that's never turned out well when I've seen a movie with that press strategy.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 11:12 PM
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Don't worry, feminism is all for equality so I'm sure they'll be advocating for male only scholarships and affirmative action for men soon... /s
/r/MensRights19/02/19 11:08 PM
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I don't see any practical benefits to acting like they think we act. We'd see no change in their rhetoric except they would have the opportunity to cite their arguments with actual evidence. Don't get me wrong, it could feel good to act like the Boogeyman they think we are, but it wouldn't help us.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 11:07 PM
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If I wasn't about off my break at work, I'd do it right now. I feel like having examples in concrete is the way to fight because people regularly accuse the MRM of speaking in generalities.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 07:00 PM
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Someone should make a Twitter account to post just that and have another person report the tweet to get a screenshot proving the double standard. We can talk about the double standard all we want, but having concrete examples will strengthen the point.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 06:55 PM
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While I agree random rage at women serves little purpose, this isn't about women. Make tears mockery is a feminist thing, not a female thing, and with the state of the current cultural climate, it's extremely hard to be an MRA without being anti feminist.
/r/MensRights19/02/19 06:02 AM
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Believe it or not, I'm not inflamed. I just think if you have something worth saying you should put at least a modicum of effort into it. Being inflammatory isn't the issue, the issue is falling to actually say anything outside of insults. As for traditional societies, I see them as less unfair that modern society, but I also see them as needlessly restrictive in the modern era. It made far more sense back when most labor was physical in nature. I judge no one for wanting to live their life that…
/r/MensRights19/02/19 02:21 AM
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I'll tell you the same thing I tell liberal arts majors: Just because you're good at something doesn't make it valuable.
/r/MensRights18/02/19 11:50 PM
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Sex=male; Then, Conscription --> Voting Fixed that for you.
/r/MensRights18/02/19 10:16 PM
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Great inflammatory rhetoric. Maybe next time you could make an actual point instead of just being a dick.
/r/MensRights18/02/19 10:14 PM
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Thanks for the assist. I was at work and didn't have the time to read through the statement to back up the claim. I suspect most people arguing about the APA guidelines haven't actually read them and are just lending their voice to the biased people who told them about it.
/r/MensRights18/02/19 03:43 AM
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That's the most softball analysis of the APA guidelines I've ever heard. They didn't say men shouldn't have to follow traditional masculinity. They essentially said traditional masculinity is a mental disorder and all patients should be pushed to not act that way regardless of why they came in for therapy. It's blatant malpractice if you ask me.
/r/MensRights18/02/19 01:09 AM
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It's an empathy gap thing. It isn't about shaming fat people or short people. It's about the acceptability of shaming men and the taboo about shaming women.
/r/MensRights18/02/19 01:07 AM
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Fair enough. I assumed it was your intent but cognitive dissonance is a bitch and I wouldn't be shocked if people who see her as only a victim feel C is justified because it was her taking the power back.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 07:20 PM
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That's kind of my point. A person who isn't dangerous in society would choose A or B to solve the problem. Unless the person is being imprisoned and unable to get to the authorities, option C isn't a choice we should accept. Being a victim doesn't justify criminal behavior when you have legal recourse.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 07:11 PM
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As I said, I do not treat allegations as fact. As far as I know, he was never found guilty. As such, I'm not just going to assume his guilt because I've heard it repeated. Also, believe it or not, I can show sympathy for someone's abuse without excusing extreme criminal activity. I don't consider criminal activity to be acceptable just because it chose the right target. We are a nation of laws, and when someone with legal protections goes outside of the law to take justice into their own hands, …
/r/MensRights17/02/19 06:53 PM
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As I said I don't have to prove anything unless you can prove the medical necessity of a procedure. That is how surgery works. You can't just have your kids fingernails or toenails removed because you feel like it for the same reason.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 03:41 AM
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So you're saying we should start removing infant's appendixes at birth? Oh wait, it would be insane to cut a child to remove a part of them, even if it serves no function, as long as it isn't dangerous.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 02:53 AM
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Circumcision cuts off a part of the human body. It is literally a minor amputation. You would need some damn good reasons to preform a preventative amputation. Can you make an argument for circumcision that fits that bar. I shouldn't have to prove that it's a bad idea to cut off a part of the body.
/r/MensRights17/02/19 02:47 AM
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It wasn't confirmed in a court of law. This was revealed after the fact by her words and the words of her friends. He was accused of those acts. It's not a fact. Then again, let's, for the sake of argument, assume he was. We still live in a society of laws and have police and domestic violence shelters for women. With those facts, even if he did those things and was a terrible person, she still had a way out and still engaged in vigilante justice which is criminal. It doesn't matter how wrong he…
/r/MensRights16/02/19 08:37 PM
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I've learned that feminists are immune to this argument because they will instantly reframe it as positive sexism against women based in a belief that women are weak and require special treatment. Through this lense, they cast women as victims in all sexism and men as never the victim. The list is great, but you'll be shocked at how casually every feminist you talk with will dismiss privilege as oppression or distract to a place where they say women have it worse to avoid discussion of where the…
/r/MensRights16/02/19 08:31 PM
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This is indicative of society's double standards. Every time I've been on public transit, I've seen at least one woman with their purse or shopping bag on the seat beside them. This generally takes up more space than any "manspread." When this is brought up, people often say will justify for women explaining that women should be allowed to because it's different. Men "manspread" to take up more space and assert their dominance, I'm told. Women do so because they're scared of men and are trying t…
/r/MensRights16/02/19 06:56 PM
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It is all good. I follow the Steven Crowder change my mind mentality. I come very armed on my views, and my goal is to establish common ground so that we can talk about our disagreements on civil terms realizing that we have common ground and aren't just polar opposites. I'm in the middle of shit as well, and part of why I enjoy text conversations on line is their ability to be asynchronous.
/r/MensRights16/02/19 12:19 AM
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Is that a reference to the movie Blade (Trinity?). I think that's where I remember it from. Either way, it's up their on my list of favorite insults and kudos to you.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 11:53 PM
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I disagree with a lot of what you're saying, but reading the thread I feel like your hear is in the right place, even if I don't think your head is. I'd love it if you'd be willing to take this to a PM conversation. I promise I'll be civil and only respond to your views and not attack you as a person. I also wanted to ask rather than simply send you an unsolicited PM. If you're ok with that, respond here or just drop me a PM because I think we could have a productive dialogue if we aren't floode…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 11:46 PM
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People look down on and down vote this, but I'm autistic. Look at my post history if you think this is just something I'm saying to act as if I'm speaking out of my ass. I actually feel that there is validity to autistic people being abused and convinced we're trans. Autistic people don't get social norms, and gender roles are a social norm. Before I found the MRM, I identified as agender because I didn't fit gender roles. This was back when I was a feminist. I've always dealt with sexual issues…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 11:35 PM
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This is the big one. Black pill people are lonely and have so much anger at the world from their isolation. They need someone to listen and get their rage out. Usually they only find people willing to do so who are also black pill and just feed the rage beast. They need people to validate their hurt without encouraging toxic behavior and self defeating mentality. I think we should all do what we can to sponsor a person chocking on black pills.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 10:46 PM
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I feel that you're not wrong in anything you said there once you defined what you meant by obedience. At the same time, I can also understand why people's biases gave you a knee jerk response in light of their ideology. The fact is, while they were extremely young when they started dating, she was old enough when they got married for it to be a reasonable expectation that she was in sound mind when she committed. The two were married with vows, and her actions fly in the face of commitment. She …
/r/MensRights15/02/19 10:32 PM
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Totally fair on the going to bed. You came into the sub like a full blown troll, and I had a bit of the drink last night and was feeling blustery. If you think people who comment on YouTube are the normal average people, I could see where your perspective comes from. YouTube comments are an utter shithole. When I was interning with a game developer, I learned that only 10% of players ever visited the forums, and only about 5% of them ever posted on the forums. This is generally true of any comme…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 02:29 PM
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Honestly, this actually sounds a lot like things I've seen out of the more extreme and angry members of the MGTOW movement. Then again the sayings of those MGTOWs are what are used to call MGTOW a hate group. I guess the suffragettes we're a hate group according to modern liberal publication standards.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 06:47 AM
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I'm cut. I don't care much about it because I've never known otherwise. There's nothing wrong with being cut. At the same time, it's still mutilation. There's nothing wrong with you for the fact that you were victimized. I think the problem is people try to conflate having something wrong done that left a permanent mark with something being wrong with you. I kind of feel like people take this attitude to get defensive as if being attacked rather than acknowledging they we're victimized. I also f…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 06:42 AM
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Ok, let's go. I was raped for almost a decade from 5 to 14. Am I deranged because of this? Do you believe being raped is something that can never be overcome? Do you think I, as a child put myself into a situation to be raped? I'm going to just leave that here rather than bombard you. Let's do this.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 06:10 AM
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Either you wandered off to bed, work, or something of the sort, or you are actually entering into a discussion and it scares you. Either keep up the talk in the next day or so, or you're admitting you have to tap out because you can only tilt with windmills and not actually engage with the people you claim superiority to.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 03:21 AM
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Not to be to mean here, but then you're an asshole, too. If trauma in a person's history makes you lose feelings for them rather than who they are now, you're an asshole.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 01:53 AM
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I really enjoy the show because philosophy is an interest of mine and it's woefully unrepresented in entertainment. I'm willing to ignore a lot of things I dislike for having a more mainstream way to talk about philosophy with people. I wouldn't be shocked if she got the role to reduce the budget of the show as to fit in line with their budget.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 12:57 AM
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You can say it's the language the movement uses, but it's extremely easy to attack a concept based upon the most extreme expression of said idea as a way of avoiding the issue itself. I believe that circumcision of minors should be illegal. That makes me an intactivist. If you can't dismiss that concept based upon my calm and rational arguments, then you aren't winning by dismissing the arguments of people nor extreme than me. My feelings are more extreme than my arguments, but fuck my feelings.…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 12:48 AM
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Thanks for the advice. That's generally how I interact outside of trolls that come in here slinging shit. I post in against men's rights from time to time under the same rules because I see value in hearing from people who hate us.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 12:40 AM
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I'm fascinated. I never post there because they use banning as a warning, but if the tide is changing, I may take this as an opportunity to try and see if they are willing to have a civil conversation.
/r/MensRights15/02/19 12:23 AM
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None of those claims are claims I make or are required to think circumcision is bad. I'll respond to each in kind and see if you can deflect my similar reasons for being opposed to circumcision. 1). I don't know the number of nerve endings the foreskin has. It's a hotly debated what the exact count is. I'll agree with you that the 20k number is probably an exaggeration. At the same time, it is not contraversial the foreskin, glans, and frenulum contain more of the nerve endings of the penis than…
/r/MensRights15/02/19 12:09 AM
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That's totally false. Like, that statement makes it apparent you're clueless about the movement and its opinions, but this is a start. You're actually saying things rather than simply attacking. Tell me, what is even one myth that intactivists push, if you know us so well. Tell me the myth and then debunk it. That's how discussion is done. Not the shit you lead off with. I'm willing to discuss with anyone if they're willing to speak rather than just throw around ad hominem attacks.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 11:36 PM
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Arguing with intactivists would require you to make an actual argument. You're just trolling hard or ignorant as hell to the point that you're incapable of arguing. I'm assuming you're just a troll, but I had a shitty day and decided why not feed the troll to have someone to vent my irritation at.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 11:19 PM
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And you're just a piece of shit troll. I say this because I believe in assuming the best in people, and there's no way you're that fucking stupid. Learn some basic fucking anatomy and then tell me that cutting off a piece of a person's genitals is acceptable because it's just a piece of skin.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 10:57 PM
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Honestly, the most shocking part of this to me is that women average spending that much.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 08:36 PM
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And you're a piece of shit if you think mutilating a humans genitals is a medical decision and not a violation of the fundamental human right of bodily integrity. My views are consistent. Genital mutilation is not acceptable. You probably think mutilating women's genitals is wrong and then somehow make excuses when it happens to men.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 08:35 PM
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I'd always wondered how she got such an authentic cunt vibe for her character in the good place, but I guess it just comes naturally to her and she's not even really acting.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 08:32 PM
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I've seen two main camps of thought on this topic here. One is that toxic masculinity simply doesn't exist and is a tool used to blame men for all the ills of the world and treat them like defective women. I fully agree that toxic masculinity is commonly used this way and you should have your guard up for this is a person is using the term. The other camp believes that there is a such thing as toxic masculinity and toxic femininity both exist and describe deviant behaviors that are significantly…
/r/MensRights14/02/19 05:00 PM
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That doesn't mean that the people here are all on the right. Some people here are on the left and hate what the progressive wing has made the left. Hell, the study done on the population here said the forum leans left on average.
/r/MensRights14/02/19 04:39 PM
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I just let my eyes glass over and the words go in one ear and out the other without making a stop in my brain. I'll not along and give a non response like fair enough. Meanwhile, I'm just thinking about what I'm going to cook for dinner or what video game I want to play after work. It's a skill I learned dealing with customers in retail work and its served me well. Most people are happy with the smallest of affirmation and just wanted to to feel like they're expressing themselves.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 11:26 PM
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I find the whole thing annoying as hell, but I always just ask myself, "can this problem be solved by not giving a fuck?". If the answer is yes, I just stop thinking about it and the problem goes away.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 11:20 PM
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This is an interesting perspective and I feel like it's another example of feminist motte and bailey tactics to present a concept as benign when questioned and then use it as a weapon when not questioned. I'd never really questioned the difference between patriarchy and the patriarchy, but on reflection, I think you have a point.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 11:16 PM
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I felt the same way when I started coming around here. I've always been statistics driven, but it shcked me how much I didn't know I didn't know that are verifiable facts. Sure, there's plenty of low effort posts here, but I've learned so much being here and enjoy that the high quality posts seem to be getting of higher quality as the sub matures.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 11:12 PM
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The way i see it, it's pretty irrelevant. It doesn't really have anything to do with men, and as men, we can do a boys night any time we want and don't need some made up holiday that will be used to push consumerism as its goal to celebrate our friendships. Honestly, galentine's day seems to be primarily made for insecure women to compensate for Valentine's day not being there for them.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 11:10 PM
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I understand that feeling but my path in life has made me not accept that. I was raised Catholic and my patron saint was Saint Jude, patron saint of lost causes. I was also a victim of sexual abuse through the Catholic Church and a pedophile priest. I also value my Nordic heritage and respect the concept of fighting against fate even when failure is predestined. I know that I will never win this battle, but the futility is what gives the battle its deepest meaning. Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes…
/r/MensRights13/02/19 10:16 AM
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I see it a consistency outside of ideology from our movement. We believe in genital integrity, and while we primarily advocate for men, acknowledging the parallels of how women react to genital mutilation shows an atypical perspective. It's the same as many men say to deal with our mutilation, and it deserves no more or less attention than our primary issues. It also doesn't hurt that a female making the same excuses as men do for mutilation helps to cast us in a more sympathetic light because i…
/r/MensRights13/02/19 09:51 AM
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I gave you a star and an upvote to remember to read this fully in the morning when I'm sober. Welcome to the community and don't ever be afraid to post your opinion or feel like you're not one of us because of your gender. I'm an MRA because of the honey badger brigade, and I'm a male, so I could never disrespect an MRA because of gender.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 09:46 AM
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It's amazing how everything men do or suffer is men's fault and anything women do or suffer is men's fault when any women I've talked with outside of an ideological lense casually agrees that women judge the decisions of women far more than men ever would. The cognitive dissonance is staggering. Women will openly admit that men don't notice their outfit, jewelery, and haircuts, and they will even do so as an attack. Yet, even so, somehow men are the ones enforcing beauty standards on women. We c…
/r/MensRights13/02/19 09:44 AM
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The only reason they called it rape is because they were reporting on a pleading. I haven't checked but I'm certain ant previous articles before the pleading avoided the R word.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 09:36 AM
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Yeah, discrimination cuts both ways, and if you want to play a shell game with that shit, anything can be defined as oppression of women. Women get it worse, oppression, obviously. Women treated better? Oppression because people are treating women as weak. MRAs could play the exact same game if society agreed with us, but it would be no less bullshit. Don't get me wrong, I get the sarcasm or whatnot of your post, I just felt like a good mini tirade.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 09:24 AM
1

I wouldn't say I gave the first reasonable answer. I haven't seen an unreasonable answer in the thread. At most I could say I gave a more eloquent and nuanced answer than the others, but I feel like they all have reasonable answers to a question that is rather depressing given the current social climate.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 08:55 AM
1

My only issue with libertarian policy is that they don't seem to acknowledge that corporations can curtail rights as hard as governments can. Look no farther than social media to see this fact.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 07:13 AM
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I didn't read the article, but I need to weigh in on the title. I don't give a fuck what they say. Adults are autonomous and can consent to whatever the fuck they want to. It's your life, live it as you see fit.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 06:49 AM
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The funny thing is, I used to scoff at the log cabin convention. Now, I completely support them because I can get behind LGBT Republicans. If anything, it feels like Republicans are now the party that doesn't make a big deal about your sexual identity.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 06:46 AM
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It's interesting because they are leaning more Republican because of the backlash against SJW things, but they also are taking stances on SJW things like racism, homophobia, and social safety net that would be very Democrat even 15 years ago.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 05:56 AM
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Any time. I'm always happy to do some Google Fu when asked about information because sometimes I cite exactly what I thought, and other times I realize my picture was incomplete, and I learn something new. This time I learned. I realized I was recalling a fact from a biased source and found the truth to be far more complicated and interesting than I'd originally thought.
/r/MensRights13/02/19 05:34 AM
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I didn't save the article I read about it, but I could try some Google sleuthing with details I remember to see if I can drum up the source. Edit:. The truth is really complex and it seems hard to actually place them. Apparently what I'm seeing is they are more likely to identify as Republican but they also hold many liberal views in terms of sexuality, racism, and social services. I need to really dive into their views because conservative leaning sources call them more conservative and liberal…
/r/MensRights13/02/19 01:26 AM
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I love that they say denying systemic oppression of women as if they've ever bothered to prove it. Systemic discrimination against men is casually provable by pointing at governmental SYSTEMS that discriminate against men. Systemic discrimination is easy to prove because it's codified in laws or tracked in spending. It's raw facts, and people can get fucked if they think their feelings supercede facts.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 11:15 PM
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They've had major layoffs and generation z is the most conservative generation in something like 70 years, according to reports I've read. Vice is doomed if they don't change their tune. If they do change their tune, hopefully the internet doesn't forget their transgressions and they still fail.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 11:11 PM
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I'd actually say it proves they're likely not a feminist. Feminists constantly virtue signal about the rest of the world and multiculturalism, but they don't take action for the rest of the world and they don't tend to want the multiculturalism in their back yard. Who cares about the rest of the world is more of a nationalist sentiment. Don't get me wrong, I think some level of nationalism is a good thing. I also think the person in the pic is a piece of shit, I just don't want to use the tactic…
/r/MensRights12/02/19 09:52 PM
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It's far from what I'd prefer, but traditional gender roles were probably fairly close to as good as it gets if we start with the premise that the man has to provide for the family. Then the woman's job would be to take care of the home and support the man so that he can better provide. This setup is restrictive to both genders, but there is at least a clear quid pro quo for both partners in the division of labor. It feels to me like men are still beholden to the standard of provider, but it's s…
/r/MensRights12/02/19 07:26 PM
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Not every woman is a feminist, and I get rather tired of people acting like feminism and women are the same thing. Feminism is an ideology based upon patriarchy theory and is rotten to the core. Women are just humans.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 05:47 AM
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Have it your way. I honestly don't care what you think as you've done nothing aside from insult me and insist upon your superiority without even responding my points. I shouldn't waste any more time on you either.
/r/MensRights12/02/19 03:24 AM
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Ok, first of all, where the hell am I spreading misandry? Don't just throw around buzzwords and attacks and think that they're facts just because you say so. The way we know about the nature of prehistoric men is through cave paintings, excavations of old locations and burial sites. There are also goddess idols. I take that as evidence of gynocentrism imp prehistoric ages. If you've got any opposing perspective that comes with any basis in fact, I'm all ears. Next, don't confuse me saying that g…
/r/MensRights12/02/19 01:19 AM
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I've been civil, and I'd appreciate it if you would show me the same courtesy. Even still, I'm going to explain. In prehistoric times, women were controlled and kept at home because going out was dangerous. This is gynocentrism. It's protecting women via social control so they don't die. This is farther shown if you look at nations of differing levels of development. The more dangerous it is to work or go out in public, the more controlled women's lives are. As living conditions become safer, wo…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 11:24 PM
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Yeah, they're a total echo chamber. I actually disagree with you on abortion, but I would be willing to give you a civil explanation of where my perspective comes from if you want to hear why I support abortion. That being said, I also support financial abortion for men or even women who want to carry a baby to term for the father and then not be responsible for the child.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 11:08 PM
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I personally don't care what a person is or identifies as, I care far more about experiences and thoughts than identities. I will say, my sex life had a rough period for a bit because of getting comfortable and lazy about it, but the connection we have let us talk about it without feeling insulted. We figured out down to spice up our sex life and enjoy sex far more fore it. Honestly, the sex isn't even why I'm with her, it's the companionship. We take care of each other, and it works for us. Eve…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 06:33 PM
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I post in that sub from time to time because it's rather interesting to me to see how they justify their hatred for us. It's mostly by reading exclusively people who hate us to figure out what we are. That sub still believes the MRM, MGTOW, OUA, and the redpill are a singular entity and we're responsible for the actions of all of them. The mental gymnastics baffles me.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 06:11 PM
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Quality of sex is typically higher in long term relationships, too. This is because you have time to learn all the filthy things each other enjoy in a way a one night stand or short fling never could. Don't get me wrong, I don't think sex is a reason to get married at all, I just feel it's important to be as accurate as possible because of how we get attacked.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 05:23 PM
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You'd be surprised how gynocentrism the third world can be. Much of the controlling women done there is to protect them in the views of the third world. Sometimes it's protecting their virtue because of spiritual beliefs. Sometimes it's controlling them to protect them from outside danger. Sometimes they're just treated like shit compared to the first world. The thing is, when people say they're oppressed in the third world, they only come to that conclusion by not looking at or caring about wha…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 05:21 PM
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Then my fiancee and I rape each other on the regular. The fact is, not all consent is express verbal consent. Reducing consent to such a simplistic rule isn't how actual sex works. Before you call me a rapist, I've always been the lower libido partner and know factually I've never had a consent violation because of pillow talk and asking questions like do you like that during sex. Simple fact is, sometimes your mouths are to busy sucking on something to give a verbal yes.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 07:14 AM
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It wasn't women. It was feminists. The average women during the time of the suffragettes didn't want the right to vote because they feared the draft would come with it like it did for men. People often don't realize that women got the vote within a year of 50% of women wanting the right to vote. They also fail to realize that men only got universal sufferage about 50 years prior. Before that any land owner could cast a vote as the head of household. This means that women actually cast votes, alt…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 05:33 AM
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I stand opposed to hate speech as a concept because it's so nebulous and primarily used against people disadvantaged by the social climate. That's the exact reason fighting words was weakened as a first amendment exclusion. I stand against defining hate speech outside of direct calls for violence that could be reasonably expected to be acted upon. That being said, it's a slimy as hell silencing tactic that essentially says you aren't allowed to talk because of merit of how you were born. It's ev…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 02:59 AM
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I think you've got the wrong impression of the MRM, we aren't anti woman. In fact, the honey badger brigade, a major force in the movement is woman founded and led. In fact, many men and women in the movement hate that feminism acts like women are victims and not autonomous adults. Additionally, belief doesn't help in the discussion of facts. You can believe that feminism started out with a good intent. Many people do. The problem is, the suffragettes used threats, coercion, and even terrorism t…
/r/MensRights11/02/19 12:20 AM
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The term for this phenomenon is gynocentrism. As a species we value women over men because reproductive success required most wen survive and only a few men so they were protected and men were sacrificed. This has been a part of human culture as long as there have been humans and it takes different forms in different cultures.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 12:05 AM
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It's called being condescending. It's not a gendered behavior and the people who want to push mansplaining are typically doing so to have an excuse to dismiss and vilify men who have the audacity to express facts or opinions a woman doesn't like.
/r/MensRights11/02/19 12:01 AM
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I totally agree with that sentiment. There needs to be better studies and more data. They also need to not blow smoke up the ass of their patients and ensure they're giving informed consent for the procedure they're undergoing. They need to know those risks before they make the decision, and they should see a psychologist while armed with that knowledge before they decide. I know it may feel like a problem to many trans activists, but I see demanding patients give informed consent not as hoops t…
/r/MensRights10/02/19 11:58 PM
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What more can they do besides open and blatant discrimination. Hell, they already openly discriminate in admission, scholarships and campus groups. There is even a grading gap where girls score higher for the same work as a guy. The simple fact is men have a broader bell curve. This is because evolutionarily speaking, a few good men can spread their genes wide but you need lots of stable women to do so. As such, men are overrepresented at the extreme, both success and failure and no amount of so…
/r/MensRights10/02/19 10:52 PM
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The only part of that I disagree with is sex life. All the stats I've seen show that married people have more sex than umarried people. Marriage typically shows a bump in rate of sex whereas relationships in general tend to have sex less often over time and marriages tend to be some of the longest relationships. Even so, I see marriage contacts as a way of making sure the woman is ok should either get bored and offer little besides obligation to men.
/r/MensRights10/02/19 10:48 PM
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I get what you're saying there, but I've also known trans people who generally seemed stable and lived productive lives. My main perspective is that there just isn't good enough data on other methods outside of transitioning that shows improvement in patients mental well being. I'm just of the opinion based on day I have that viewing transition as indulging rather than a form of treatment for gender dysphoria that is long lasting and persistent as a narrow view when alternative solutions haven't…
/r/MensRights10/02/19 06:19 AM
1

It may just be masturbating, I can't deny that. At the same time, you can still enjoy masturbating even if you're getting laid. I think Paul Elam has solid points on getting shit done, but sometimes you just want a little recreation with your hand and not worry about pleasing anyone else.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 10:25 PM
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This is a high quality post. It's far too rare that people acknowledge that humans are a form of social animal, and that comes with dominance hierarchies. Understanding the way these function is a big part of psychology and group dynamics. It's even more rare that someone takes it a step farther and points out the structure of male and female dominance hierarchies are different in such a concise and eloquent way.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 08:20 PM
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Nope. Haven't bought on in over a decade. I just see myself as gaining something of value even if I don't change their mind. I actually enjoy debate. Generally, I don't expect to win over the person I'm debating. I expect that if someone who isn't insane sees the interaction they will come to a sane conclusion.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 08:16 PM
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I would disagree. I'd like to hear your perspective on what treating gender dysphoria disorder should look like. I've yet to see any evidence that therapy to change a person's gender identity has any real and quantifiable positive results. In fact, it generally the opposite. Don't get me wrong, I understand that the prognosis for mental health isn't all that great when we talk about people who transition, but from what I can tell, it's more or less the best results. My main concern is that peopl…
/r/MensRights09/02/19 07:44 PM
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I understand every word you are saying individually. The problem is, your statement is vague and filled with jargon. It's pretty much a word salad that seems to have little purpose outside of fear of an outgroup. You're saying the movement has this problem, but I'm certain I'm here far more often than you are, and it's just not ringing true to me. If anything, I see far more of a trend of an increase concern trolls who don't make their position clear and rely on vagaries to not be pinned down to…
/r/MensRights09/02/19 07:37 PM
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This is why I'm getting more active in the sub. I like being able to argue my perspective without deplatforming. If the sub banned and deleted content that I want to argue with, I'd lose the ability to have these arguments as evidence in future arguments. It doesn't matter if my side or my opposition gets deplatforming. It stops me from making my arguments. When I make my arguments against feminist leaning posters here and elsewhere, I'm seldom expecting to change the feminists view. I'm trying …
/r/MensRights09/02/19 07:32 PM
1

I'm ok with winding up in a dentist of wolves like that. If it occurs online, I document it as evidence when people ask for specifics when I make accusations the feminists engage in bad faith argument. Additionally I see it as dangerous to assume that anyone who says they have been involved with feminism is a part of the organized feminist agenda the more radical ones push. If my antifeminist friend hadn't reached out and showed me Karen Straughan, I might still view myself as a feminist. Every …
/r/MensRights09/02/19 07:24 PM
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I've been there myself. It's amazing how many feminists asked me in discussion to put some effort into proving what I say is accurate. Then I put the effort to adding the specifics with citation as requested and they say they won't read it, usually with some form of insult implying I'm the one who refuses to engage in good faith. That's why I tend to keep it brief until they start getting invested into the argument. After that, I typically use my sources saved on my PC as well as some arguments …
/r/MensRights09/02/19 07:08 PM
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I agree that is a distinct possibility. At the same time, most of the active members here now more about feminism than the average feminist. It's distinctly possible that the person doesn't know the actual history of the ills of feminism and us a typical layperson who only knows the mainstream narrative that was in their original post. I've known more than one person who had that view. Hell, I was that person before I really studied the history. On the other hand, it could be a false feminist na…
/r/MensRights09/02/19 07:04 PM
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That is actually a more eloquent way of saying what I was trying to get at. Thanks for the assit.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 05:36 AM
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Search Susan Anthony and sort by new. There's a killer list from 3 months ago that may be what you're looking for.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 02:35 AM
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If she's showing leadership skills, that's totally fair, but usually girls get called bossy because they're ordering people around and acting entitled, not because they're showing leadership skills.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 02:27 AM
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If the kid is happy, I don't give a flying fuck. I think kids should be able to explore their sense of self and interests without injecting politics into it. Being a kid is all about figuring out who you are and learning morality.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 02:26 AM
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Go for it. I'll be home from work in about 2 hours
/r/MensRights09/02/19 02:23 AM
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The way I see it, you DO have a right to withhold all that information but it makes you an asshole. Weather you have a right to do something is irrelevant to if the action is moral or just. In fact, it can be immoral and unjust to do something you have a right to do or be moral and just to do something you don't have the right to do. Relationships are based upon trust, and if you can't trust someone enough to be honest, you shouldn't be with them. Either they're untrustworthy and not worth the r…
/r/MensRights09/02/19 12:23 AM
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Totally reasonable. I just wanted to point out that threatening to go to the cops can be effective and far less stressful than actually doing so if it gets to that point.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 12:07 AM
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Thanks, I've enjoyed myself as well and will be awaiting your next response. I'm at work, so my responses won't be as fast, though.
/r/MensRights09/02/19 12:06 AM
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On a break at work so I didn't have time to finish the article. My hopes started high when they if school is the problem. They then set in talking about how school is failing our girls by not building confidence in spite of the constant social droning of women are wonderful. They didn't even acknowledge the possibility of grading bias being a part of better performance of women. They also portrayed men as having false confidence when they success rather than addressing the neuroticism of the fem…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 10:30 PM
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The step before going to the police may be threatening to do so. Just the threat of doing so often will make school administration take your complaint seriously because of a fear of liability. I pulled that card one time, and they went from dismissive to taking my problem extremely seriously.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 10:23 PM
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Yeah, i get that feel. I used to look for that, but I quickly realized virtually all women who want to earn money either want it to be a supplemental income with less pressure or be a power couple. I've currently got a fiancee I've been with for over a decade. I know she'll never be the primary bread winner, but she will make a supplementary income and tend the home. She's emotionally supportive of me and makes me happy, so it works, but I know I'll never have the exact life I dreamed of that wo…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 07:52 PM
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I'm usually mad at the idea that the woman gets half, but in this case I actually think I agree. They got together when he wasn't wealthy. They started the company together. She worked, from all accounts I've seen, every bit as hard as he did until the company was basically printing money. By that point, he'd shifted to a more decision focused role and relied on her as a confidant. From every angle I've looked at it, she is as responsible as he is for the success of Amazon and the money it made,…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 07:21 PM
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True, but you technically just shifted the goal posts there. I wasn't arguing that the MRM is gaining power or even that we are necessarily related to the changes. You challenged me for examples of feminism losing power, my core premise. I gave a couple examples of things they fought hard for reversing. To me, that is proof that they aren't as strong as they were because it's far easier to defend norms from change than it is to change norms, and in places the things they fought hard to create an…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 07:11 PM
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The funny thing is, I'd probably be more equipped to be a stay at home parent than the vast majority of women. I've trained under multiple chefs, and I'd put my cooking skills against any stay at home parent. I do my own car repairs. I've done electrical wiring and have almost 3 years of college in electrical engineering. I've finished a slab basement complete with plumbing, drop ceiling, dry wall, and air conditioning. I've worked in child care tending 20 kids alone. I also have experience with…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 06:55 PM
1

I agree with your assessment, but to me, that isn't a good indicator of the movement. Even if the feminist movement vanished today, it would take months or even years for to see the tide turn the other way because momentum is a thing and people tend to go along with norms without too much thought. While I'm not aware of the actual laws that have got passed, there are things in the US that are going on that would have been unheard of in the past, and feminism still fights tooth and nail. In the p…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 06:50 PM
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I actually saw a few comments that made me feel good in the thread. Some people pointed out that there is a good chance that he is depressed. It's more empathy than I expected, and that was nice. At the same time, it blows my mind how strong the double standard is. It annoys me that in the pursuit of "gender equality" the concept of division of labor, a core component in a healthy relationship has all but been obliterated, at least where it applies to women. Feminists insist being a house wife i…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 05:36 PM
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I disagree with some of your concepts, but I'm willing to debate my views anywhere with anyone so I'd be fine taking part in the I initial post debating if feminism is gaining or losing power. I'll probably be slower to respond there than I am elsewhere on Reddit, though. If we're going to do this I need to be able to have the time to get hard statistics and citations because it's a more concrete debate rather than a philosophical debate where the words speak for themselves.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 04:25 PM
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Oh no, I'm not using the feminist definition of mysogyny. I would never considered criticising female behavior or hating a single woman to by mysogyny. I'm saying some people here post things that are legitimate misogynistic statements here. My issue is you have to use the feminist definition of mysogyny to think it's rampant or even common. If you use an honest definition of mysogyny, I'd say somewhere less 1% of the comments hit the bar, and those are usually low effort shit posts by people no…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 04:18 PM
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That's a pretty bleak view of the world. The backlash against metoo is pretty common knowledge right now. In the US, title IX is now being used to sue schools for gender discriminatory behavior against the accused. The number of people who identity as feminist is dropping. The major feminist publications have been laying off most of their SJW staff. I'm sure I could go on for quite a while. Yeah, they're making gains in some places, but I don't think it's an accurate picture of the movement. The…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 04:04 PM
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I'd say the biggest problem in the way of the MRM was awareness of the problems in mainstream society. This sub has actually made a massive impact on that issue, IMO. I can totally agree that places for deeper digging and analyzing of problems would be nice, but that's more because I enjoy that kind of environment than because I think it is how to solve the issues of the MRM. We need more awareness and more people willing to donate time and/or money to fix it. Feminism is a rather annoying issue…
/r/MensRights08/02/19 03:35 PM
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I'm willing to hang on a sub like that, but I think you vastly underestimate the value of this sub.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 03:22 PM
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If there isn't any identifiable information, it's not a HIPPA violation.
/r/MensRights08/02/19 06:11 AM
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I agree with what you're saying here. I actually donate to the Honey Badgers and agree with these sentiments. I was just trying to be gentle because the idea that feminism has been plagued by extremism since the first wave is a hard pill to swallow for someone who is just turning their back on feminism. That being said, I do agree the op could possibly benefit from consuming some of the content from people like Warren Farrel, The Honey Badgers, Bane666AU, Diana Davidson, and a plethora of other …
/r/MensRights08/02/19 02:29 AM
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