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So this doesn't sound difficult but more pointless to me? Could you elaborate on what this would do? Should you end every conversation with asking on a date?
/r/seduction15/10/22 09:31 AM
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So to a person who has never had a woman attracted to him what resources do you think would be the most beneficial to actually learn?
/r/seduction15/10/22 09:28 AM
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Not sure if that's the case. I've personally never had any woman consider me attractive, relaxed or not.
/r/seduction14/10/22 08:16 AM
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Well it actually does happen. I'm 30 and I've never had any woman be interested in me before & I've definitely never been in that situation.
/r/seduction14/10/22 04:50 AM
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I'm 30 and I've never experienced any type of IOI from any woman before.
/r/seduction08/10/22 04:55 AM
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I mean I don't really see it as "settling" cause I would give any woman a chance considering I've never had any one consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction02/10/22 02:18 AM
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I'm pretty social, I've made lots of friends and I travel regularly for work.
/r/seduction02/10/22 01:18 AM
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I mean I'm not good looking myself so I don't really judge people based on looks. If I ever had a woman consider me attractive the last thing I would be doing is judging her on her looks.
/r/seduction02/10/22 01:17 AM
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How would abundance mindset work for a guy who has never had any woman consider me attractive before?
/r/seduction01/10/22 09:32 PM
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I definitely have this feeling at 30. Except I don't feel that time is running out, at 30 I honestly feel like time has already ran out. Not entirely sure what to do at this point considering my age.
/r/seduction01/10/22 09:31 PM
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But what if ugly women don't find you attractive looking either? What can be done in this scenario?
/r/seduction01/10/22 09:27 PM
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I understand what you're saying. But also with thay logic you still wouldn't know whether or not a woman has ever found me attractive cause both can be true. I guess the more accurate statement would be that put of all the women that none of the women I've known or met have ever found me attractive before.
/r/seduction15/09/22 12:45 AM
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Pretty much everything I have control over. Thats what I focused on.
/r/seduction14/09/22 09:15 PM
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I'm not really sure what all else I can realistically do that is my control.
/r/seduction14/09/22 06:47 PM
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Because it's never happened to me before.
/r/seduction14/09/22 06:46 PM
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What do you mean?
/r/seduction14/09/22 01:45 PM
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Any advice for someone who has never had a woman consider them attractive before?
/r/seduction14/09/22 08:24 AM
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I've never really had any woman consider me attractive enough to date so I don't believe I really qualify to try and be using a dating coach let alone still trying to date at my older age.
/r/seduction10/09/22 07:54 AM
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That's really great to hear, I'm glad you found someone yourself! Me personally, I'm at an older age and I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I don't really think I'd qualify to be able to say that someone is perpetually "out there". At some point it behooves me to move forward with my life instead of comiserating over things beyond my control.
/r/seduction01/09/22 01:32 PM
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Hello, wow I wasn't expecting such a well thought out answer. I seriously appreciate the advice however I ended up not going with said coach, or another coach who also offered me something via DM. I actually ended up just moving on from the subject of dating and women because it just kind of seemed like something I was focused on that isn't exactly positive.
/r/seduction31/08/22 12:55 PM
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No other signs displayed. I just found it odd it's the second time I've been complimented on the same thing. Don't know if it had meaning.
/r/seduction21/07/22 07:34 PM
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Ok, this is good info. I just found it odd considering this is the second time a woman has complimented my posture. Not the same one, it was two different people in different scenarios. But I didn't know what to make of it considering is posture, a pretty odd thing to take note of but I didn't know if it qualified as an IOI or not. Thank you for clearing it up so well.
/r/seduction21/07/22 06:39 PM
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I guess it would come down to the situation? Honestly not sure.
/r/seduction21/07/22 06:06 PM
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Would something like posture be considered a compliment or an observation?
/r/seduction21/07/22 06:01 PM
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Yea none of that stuff has ever happened to me really. I have women friends and acquaintances but nothing romantic nor have I ever been in a romantic scenario with anyone before so I wouldn't say there's been signs or opportunities, etc. I'm receptive to having an open but but at the same time I do have to consider that at my older age it's probably not a possibility at this point considering I've never had any woman find me attractive before in my life & I'm not entirely sure what would change …
/r/seduction21/07/22 05:38 PM
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I believe it would be a great way to gauge issues. I personally don't have an issue with speaking to people but I've also never had any woman consider me attractive before so I can't really claim there are no issues at all obviously.
/r/seduction18/07/22 06:53 PM
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Yea, it just would've been nice to have been able to go on a date at some point. But I'm slowly coping with the fact that there are other aspects of life that don't involve women or dating so there's plenty more to actually explore.
/r/seduction18/06/22 12:23 PM
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Well yea that's the unfortunate part, because women are the choosers there really isn't much you can do when you're not chosen.
/r/seduction18/06/22 12:18 PM
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I remember someone else referring to Darwin as to why some guys don't cut it when it comes to natural selection. That really changes my perception on dating and women. I'm still wondering if my genes are the type that aren't meant to be passed on.
/r/seduction18/06/22 12:04 PM
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Biggest difference is with other goals I've been able to do it has had no correlation to whether or not I'm attractive. With women obviously you have to be attractive enough for them to consider going on a date with you.
/r/seduction18/06/22 11:59 AM
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Yea, I really wish I was at least average looking to qualify for that. I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I'm not sure how far below average I actually am exactly but I don't believe I qualify as average.
/r/seduction14/06/22 12:42 PM
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A major issue for people like myself is that I'm not really average looking. Don't really know what the recourse is when you're considered below average.
/r/seduction14/06/22 12:33 PM
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I've read many books on seduction but none of them have really been applicable to my situation. While I never did end up being able to attract any woman I was able to gain many friends so at least a social circle came out of it. So overall it wasn't a complete failure but I didn't get to knock going on a date off my bucket list.
/r/seduction14/06/22 12:15 PM
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I don't think I qualify for having things handed to me. I ran away at age 16 cause life at home was getting really bad. Luckily my area had a youth shelter I could stay in til I finished high school. Pretty much since then I've been on my own and I've made it my life goal to have my own property and be successfully independent.
/r/seduction08/06/22 04:17 PM
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I wouldn't day I have low ambition for success. Maybe these days my ambition isn't what it used to be but that's mostly because I've largely achieved majority of my life goals way faster than I ever thought I would. Main reason why I like to read about guys experiences with women is because I never did get the opportunity to ever do anything romantic with a woman before so there really isn't anywhere I could get the sense of what it's like to go on dates or kiss etc.
/r/seduction08/06/22 03:52 PM
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I like to read about others experiences. Occasionally live vicariously through them and learn more about experiences people have with women.
/r/seduction07/06/22 07:43 PM
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Someday yea..
/r/seduction07/06/22 07:42 PM
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Yea definitely not the norm, I've also never met anyone in yhe same boat. But there are guys like me who never got that opportunity. I thought there wasn't either but I've seen one or two online but never in person.
/r/seduction07/06/22 06:45 AM
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I turned 30 this year and I've never kissed or done anything romantic with a woman before. Or been in a romanticnsituation with a woman before. I've had some DMs of people calling me weird and other names but overall I would agree that it definite is not considered normal by any standard simply due to the fact that by this age most people would have had someone be attracted to them before.
/r/seduction07/06/22 06:17 AM
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Well so far I haven't been good enough for any woman and I'm not necessarily young so not sure what the statistics are at this point.
/r/seduction18/05/22 01:09 AM
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I realize I'll never be perfect, I would just like to be good enough for women's standards at the least one day.
/r/seduction17/05/22 11:43 PM
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Haven't done cold approach in a long time. The whole dating or women thing doesn't really work out for me cause I'm kind of not the best looking guy lol.
/r/seduction17/05/22 11:42 PM
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Yea that makes sense, I guess I haven't really reached that threshold of what a woman would consider attractive enough to be able to warrant going out with in a romantic sense.
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:26 PM
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Advice for someone who does have good personal income but isn't good looking enough to be considered attractive by women?
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:19 PM
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If it will never be enough then at what point is it viable to stop? Years ago I was told if I got in shape and improved my life then a woman would like but that kinda never did happen and now it's juts my life routine that's helped in other aspects.
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:17 PM
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You know I've never personally had any woman consider me attractive before. But from all that I've read on yhe subject, I believe this is the most consice and streamlined version of what a lot of people try to say when it comes to seduction as it's defined. Great post and I will be saving it for archive.
/r/seduction17/05/22 10:11 PM
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I mean at this point I'm at peace with it. I remember someone else one here who PMed my spoke about how not all men have good enough genes that will be passed on, thus will not find a partner to pass their genes. It does have a parallel to nature that statistically not all males get to reproduce. It just really sucks that I ended up having genes that aren't desirable enough for women lol.
/r/seduction10/05/22 02:48 AM
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As a guy who just turned 30 this kinda spoke to me. I feel a lot of men got to experience sex and dating during their 20s at the latest and I kinda wished I did too. Did my best to improve myself and be the best version of me possible but I never did end up finding any woman who considered me attractive enough to date or do anything romantic with.
/r/seduction10/05/22 02:18 AM
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If it were normal circumstances I'd be inclined to agree but this was considering a religious vow of celibacy on her behalf. It wasn't some small thing.
/r/seduction01/05/22 10:30 PM
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Well I asked about it and she said she was celibate for religious reasons so there isn't much I could have done without violating her vow of celibacy.
/r/seduction01/05/22 10:21 PM
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I believe this situation was hindered by the fact that she is celibate.
/r/seduction01/05/22 10:02 PM
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Yea it never really did click for me. I've read a lot of advice, read books, spoken to experts about women and seduction but it never did "click" for me.
/r/seduction14/04/22 06:00 AM
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Make them like you, and if you can't; find someone who does like you. Any advice if you've never found anyone who likes you? In a romantic sense anyways.
/r/seduction09/04/22 09:59 AM
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Is 30 an age where people would think that as well?
/r/seduction06/04/22 12:35 PM
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I mean I've researched them and I've never had any of them happen to me.
/r/seduction16/03/22 07:26 PM
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What if you've never had anyone give indicators of interest before?
/r/seduction16/03/22 03:33 PM
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Well she's mentioned it before and my friend also told me she was celibate.
/r/seduction02/03/22 03:12 PM
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I guess because her celibacy vow is being questioned? Not sure, just don't want to be disrespectful. Also we met up and it was never an actual date.
/r/seduction02/03/22 01:18 PM
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Would that be appropriate given that she is celibate? Also I haven't gone on a date before and I've never gone on a date with her either so would it still apply?
/r/seduction02/03/22 01:08 PM
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I don't know if it's only Uber chads getting girls, I just think it's men who are attractive enough for women.
/r/seduction23/02/22 04:41 AM
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I haven't approached any people I don't know since pandemic. Only new people I've gotten to know since pandemic have been people someone has/have introduced me to consciously.
/r/seduction22/02/22 07:32 PM
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It's not semantic games, I'm just not sure if many interactions with women would considered an approach or if you meet with a friend or one of her friends etc.
/r/seduction22/02/22 05:46 PM
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I guess that would depend on what qualifies as an approach?
/r/seduction22/02/22 05:41 PM
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I'm not the guy you're replying to but I share a similar albeit not so militant point of view as he does. I can only speak for myself as a guy who isn't very good looking I've meter had any woman consider me attractive before, and while I don't qualify as a Chad I also don't know what disqualifies me further from what other men naturally are. I guess what I'm saying is that he might be in the same boat as me where we aren't attractive enough for women.
/r/seduction22/02/22 05:29 PM
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I figured that maybe during my 20s something would have happened but it never did. So now I'm 30 and in this situation.
/r/seduction22/02/22 05:21 PM
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Out of curiosity how would you feel about a guy my age and has never had any woman consider him attractive before?
/r/seduction22/02/22 05:17 PM
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Yea he said if I don't go on a date then I get my money back. I understand it's a sales tactic but I kinda don't know what other options I viably have.
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:58 PM
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Yea that's kinda the thing. I'm not really a young man in the slightest, I turned 30 earlier this month. I don't personally think I'm unattractive but clearly women don't share the same sentiment given I've never had any woman be attracted to me before.
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:57 PM
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I've sort of seen a lot of information online and the key difference is that I'm not a very good looking guy and many methods that are tried and true for men are kinda not applicable to me. I've tried everything and I've still never really had any woman consider me attractive enough to ever date or anything. So given how I've spoken with some coaches who gaurantee that I can go on a date is sort of a big deal to me.
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:45 PM
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Only reason I consider coaches is because a few I've spoken with have been able to gaurantee me at least a date with a woman during the course(s). Going on a date is something I've kinda always wanted to do so if there are people who would be able to aid in that then I would be happy to experience it at least.
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:35 PM
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I'm not sure if I tried hinge but when I did try dating apps I tried all the ones available at the time and I never got a single match so realized it kinda was a waste of time for me. People say to try them again but given how I never got a match in 3 years on any app I'm not sure if this one would be different?
/r/seduction22/02/22 04:30 PM
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Not sure, it's really disheartening doing everything you can to improve yourself and your life only to be never be considered attractive by women. You start to think what exactly makes you different from all the good looking guys who are attractive enough to be with women. I remember a while back when someone on a sub talked to me about male genes and that some men will not be enough to have their genes be passed on. I often wonder if my genes simply don't make the cut for women given that circu…
/r/seduction22/02/22 03:15 PM
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Thank you. After over 7 years of taking action I resort to asking people online such as yourself who are vastly more experienced than I am. I'm simply attempting to get a perspective on whether or not I should stop the venture of romance or consider seeking professional help. After consideration I believe I'll cancel my proceedings with the dating coach. I'm not sure there is much to it.
/r/seduction02/02/22 03:53 PM
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I mean I'm not really a co worker to these people. More of a partner, have a lot riding on this and people depending on me to succeed. People who trust me. It's not the sole reason I deleted it, I also deleted it because after 3 years of no interaction I figured there's no real point to keeping it.
/r/seduction02/02/22 03:46 PM
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I'm not super high up, but I would say I'm in a prominent position. Prominent enough to where I am very much conscious of my digital footprint and online presence. I don't have social media or anything like that as I feel it's arbitrary. Only thing I have is LinkedIn bit that's strictly for professional purpose. That requires some basic level of social skills and charisma. Social skills, of course. I believe all manners of goals require social skills. Charisma, I'm not entirely sure. Hard to gag…
/r/seduction02/02/22 03:33 PM
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I fully understand strict looks requirements. Understand that it will vary person to person but maybe when I was younger I was under the impression that maybe someday I'll have met the standards of at least one woman right? As in statistically if I worked on myself like I did and improved my life/became a better person or got a real social circle that maybe some of that work will trickle itself onto my value and hopefully along the way of life I would have met a woman's standards. But that never…
/r/seduction02/02/22 03:09 PM
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Do you have an image from your dating profile you can share? I'm not even sure if I have those pictures still. I deleted my online profiles a few years ago. Mostly because of my company and being in a higher position means more eyes on me, etc. I find it hard to believe you did not get a single match or date from online dating in 3 years? It actually happened. Please do not take this as an insult, or a generalization, but have you done some serious soul searching in regards to your sexuality? No…
/r/seduction02/02/22 03:00 PM
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With online dating, you said that it didn’t work for you, so it’s not for you. If you truly just want one date to get experience, online dating is an avenue you shouldn’t discount. Would you accept that fact that I tried online dating for about 3 years and never got anything out of it? Checked it periodically and never got any response or leads? I'm not saying online dating doesn't work, I tried my hand at it and saw no results so I figured focusing myself in other, more productive avenues of li…
/r/seduction02/02/22 02:41 PM
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Ok, I don't believe I've given any excuses in particular but I'll read this anyway. I'm always up for reading material that helps the cause. I'm on the fence about going through with the program. On one hand I don't believe I should entirely give up on the prospect of women and dating altogether in one fell swoop. But at the same time I'm not 100% sure if his guarantee of a date is as accurate is its portrayed. So I'm kind of at a damned if you do, damned if you don't ordeal.
/r/seduction02/02/22 02:24 PM
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I've spent the past 7 years or so working on myself and self improvement. In terms of 10 I'm not entirely sure. But I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life so I would say that is a good metric to display my attractiveness, or in this case lack thereof.
/r/seduction02/02/22 02:21 PM
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I understand all women have their own standards but what I'm saying is I have not met the standards of any woman in my life before so that's the primary reason why I sought out a professional to help. Only reason I bring up my looks is because in comparison to the people in the video he linked I'm not as good looking as those guys are. For reference he linked to a YouTube channel of good looking guys who pick up women. While I have nothing personal against said content, I don't find much insight…
/r/seduction02/02/22 02:19 PM
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I just turned 30. As for the therapy, I mean the only reason I consider myself not very good looking is because I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my life so I sorta just go by that metric. Have ever been on a date? No I've never been a date. I've never been in any real romantic situation before. Your primary means of trying to meet women should be out in the real world, but don’t entirely discount online dating. I'm certain it works for people, or else it would exist, but…
/r/seduction02/02/22 02:15 PM
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Get into therapy. It’s not a cure all, but therapy is beneficial for everyone. If you don't mind me asking, what would the therapy be addressing exactly? I'm not sure if therapy is for me as I'm not entirely sure if I'm at a bad state of mental health thay I'd need therapy. Either join a gym, play a sport, or take a marital arts class. I highly recommend taking marital arts for confidence. I've been at my local gym for about 7 years now. In fact a lot of the friends I've made have been through t…
/r/seduction02/02/22 01:51 PM
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Relatively agree. Issue is that I've made lots of friends doing just that. And while I have been able to accumulate a great social circle of good friends. I've also never had any woman consider me attractive before so that's really the reason why I've considered a professional coach for this but I'm not entirely sold on the idea.
/r/seduction02/02/22 01:08 PM
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Just by labeling yourself "below average looking" and thinking that you need to take a special route you already lost. I'm mostly going by objective looks. I've personally never had a woman consider me attractive before so I'm not entirely sure if I qualify for that category. If you had no issue talking to women you are attracted to, you would not be in your situation, awareness is the first step. Well talking with people and them being attracted to you are two very different things. Speaking wi…
/r/seduction02/02/22 12:44 PM
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I'm not sure what category I out myself in? I don't really have an issue talking with people or women to be honest. What do you about the NBA part?
/r/seduction02/02/22 12:26 PM
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I definitely don't reject myself, that's why I'm here contemplating whether or not to go through with dating by having a professional help me.
/r/seduction02/02/22 12:19 PM
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I don't believe I've seen over 40 but I have watched their videos on/off about a year ago. During research I've come across a good number of their videos since then and yea, I don't believe I've seen any below average guy on there that would be relative to what I look like. It's one of the key issues I believe and while the content is rich I definitely do not look like any of the guys in their videos that's for sure.
/r/seduction02/02/22 12:14 PM
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I've seen their YouTube channel a few times actually. Main issue is that I'm not really as good looking as those guys are so a lot of it isn't viably applicable.
/r/seduction02/02/22 12:08 PM
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Issue is I'm not really a good looking guy so my pictures aren't a very viable way to assert attraction.
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:18 PM
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I had a tinder a long time ago but I didn't go anywhere so I left it alone.
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:07 PM
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What are you supposed to say?
/r/seduction11/12/21 01:07 PM
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Issue is not everyone can be good looking enough for women. I've lifted, gotten my life together, gotten social circles, etc. Lots of self improvement. But I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so when you've gone your entire life without anyone liking you in a romantic way then it most definitely is more complicated than you think.
/r/seduction11/12/21 12:52 PM
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I've been lifting a d dieting consistently for about 5 years now. While it has made my life xponentionally better. It hasn't had any correlation to making me any more or less attractive than when j started unfortunately. One rule I can’t state enough is when a woman is attracted to you they go out of their way to let you know and they go out of their way to pursue a relationship so you never really have to try to hard. I'm aware of this, at the same time I'm also aware that this has never happen…
/r/seduction09/11/21 12:45 PM
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Not sure about the most honest advice considering I've done that for a little over 5 years now and still nothing.
/r/seduction09/11/21 12:41 PM
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Go to strip clubs to get comfortable being in sexual situations (dont spend much money) I've personally never been to a strip club but I have a good friend who owns a successful one. To my knowledge they don't do anything sexual, it's just strip and dance? Unless I'm mistaken I don't believe any sex actually goes on. Find ways to talk about sex as much as possible Talk to who about sex?
/r/seduction09/11/21 12:40 PM
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I also suspect from his self description and other posts that he is overshooting his range because of the perfectionist nature. When j was younger I used to be a perfectionist but it only applied to myself. Part couple of years I've learned to give myself credit and not hold myself up to standards that might not be viable no matter how much I feel I could improve said project if I had more time. That's just me though, I never expect perfection from people because no one is perfect. If you realiz…
/r/seduction09/11/21 12:34 PM
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My personal life is extensively malleable, other people options however are not. I don't really want to share my profession but you're not totally off the mark in terms of technicality. It does require a caliber of thinking not very many people have, and I don't say that to bolster my ego. It seriously requires you to view aspects of the world in a completely different, albeit sometime skewed, perspective. But when you got it, you got it. The only impediments with your list of assumptions is tha…
/r/seduction09/11/21 02:49 AM
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This. OP seems attached to his current lifestyle. It sounds like he’s put himself out there and made some effort, but it still comes off as if he’s more of the victim of reality. That the truth is simply he’s unattractive, so he’s fucked. This seems like the most accurate assessment. My life now is as I've built it to be and I love every minute of it, but professionally I'm in too deep to quit now and I owe people below me the property I've promised them and the fact that they work so hard to pu…
/r/seduction09/11/21 02:09 AM
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I tried doing salsa dancing a few years ago. It wasn't really a fun activity for me, so I ditched it for other more fun social hobbies.
/r/seduction09/11/21 01:42 AM
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On one hand you say you've done all you can to ve as attractive as possible, but on the other hand you say you're clinically overweight? I was clinically overweight. Last time I was according to my doctor was in 2017. On one hand you say you've been working on things for five years but you've never even TRIED a tinder profile? I tried a tinder profile, it didn't really lead to anything. You make absolutely no references to the number of approaches or nights out. Nights out I don't really have a …
/r/seduction09/11/21 01:40 AM
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I don't know if I'm "gaming" my female friends. I most speak with them the most. A lot of my female friends are also dating people or are married to other friends, etc. I never really had any woman be "into" me before as well.
/r/seduction09/11/21 12:41 AM
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Usually friends or friends of friends that I speak to. In terms of talking to women. I sent you over a cropped pic, did you see it?
/r/seduction09/11/21 12:12 AM
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I guess what I'm saying is out of all the women I've met and known none have been attracted to me. I'll dm it to you. I prefer not to say the type of business I'm in. It's just important that I stay as anonymous as I can.
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:55 PM
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I guess for me it's not up to me to decide whether or not I'm attractive to women. Obviously women would decide that and if I've never had a woman consider me attractive then I would believe the majority vote would be no by default? I've never really gotten signs or how people call IOIs from women. I have looked them up and I've never really had those either. I wouldn't mind pming a pic but it would have to be with my face blocked off for personal/business reasons.
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:48 PM
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Kids in middle school already doing that shit, high schoolers are doing this shit, what’s your excuse? When I was in middle & high school it wasn't much different for me as it is now to be honest. I want very attractive then and obviously I'm not very attractive now. My life was very different back then and kinds in rough places but now I've done all I can but to no avail. I do realize that kids in middle school and high school have been able to reach women's standards, that's why I wonder if at…
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:45 PM
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I do agree that lockdown affected us all, especially when it comes to interpersonal relationships. However I feel blaming the pandemic would be a type of cop-out considering I've been attempting to improve myself and get a date since 2015.
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:18 PM
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I mean I began self improvement when I was 24. That's when I began my exercise and dieting, still going strong on that and haven't regretted it. Back then I did believe if I lost my weight and gained muscle, changed my wardrobe, gained/entered social circles, increased my quality of life & career that it would equal to women finding me more attractive. But after over 5 years of that I've realized that those efforts have not made me any more or less attractive than when I started because I'm in t…
/r/seduction08/11/21 11:16 PM
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I continue my health regimen cause I enjoy it. I don't drink so I only really go to bars when my friends invite me out or something.
/r/seduction08/11/21 10:54 PM
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Well I was clinically overweight but I haven't been overweight si ce 2017. Took a lot of work to lose fat and gain muscle. I I itially did it to become more attractive yes but after having lost over 80lbs and gained muscle I realized that it didn't make me any more attractive looking to women. I tried to quit my workout and diet regimen but I honestly couldn't. It's a core part of my life now and it makes me feel so good to do it all that I now do it just for my personal health and satisfaction.
/r/seduction08/11/21 09:09 PM
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I've never been in a sexual situation before so I've never been able to do that.
/r/seduction08/11/21 07:52 PM
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Under normal circumstances I totally would but I'd rather keep full anonymity for personal purposes. Also I don't even know of what you're supposed to say during a first date as I've kinda never been on one.
/r/seduction08/11/21 07:50 PM
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Genuine question, not trying to discredit. Did your brother ever date or have anyone like him romantically until then?
/r/seduction08/11/21 07:30 PM
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Here's hoping.
/r/seduction08/11/21 07:26 PM
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I have investigated tinder. Main issue being that it requires photos of yourself and I'm kinds not an attractive looking guy. I know the main thing is photos on tinder so I don't believe that's a viable option if I'm being completely honest.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:50 PM
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Issue is I'm not a very good looking guy so I don't believe tinder would be a viable idea.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:36 PM
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Not just seduction advice. I'm kinda just done with the whole thinking about women and dating thing.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:35 PM
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I've met more women in the past 4 years than ever. Mostly due to my significant push to generate social circles.
/r/seduction08/11/21 03:06 PM
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Are you at the top of your profession? Definitely not, but my profession is in a very competitive market. While I'm happy with my share, expansion is a matter to foundation and scale not so much sprinting. In due time growth is projected for sure. Do you have a vibrant social life full of being around your buddies and the women around them? Moreso now that the rest of my friends are more comfortable meeting again. People starting to do get togethers, etc. Are you under 10% bodyfat, muscular and …
/r/seduction08/11/21 02:59 PM
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I mean I kinda lready did a lot of that about 5-6 years ago. I believe I've become the best version of myself I could be.
/r/seduction08/11/21 02:43 PM
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I'm sure it is. But at this point who knows what can viably be done. I'm just saying that doing things that you want to do, albeit socially, will not ensue in attracting women.
/r/seduction07/11/21 12:24 PM
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I don't know how accurate this is. I've been doing things that I want to do while still being social about it and while I have met great people I've never attracted any woman before or during any of it.
/r/seduction07/11/21 09:03 AM
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>I understand but if you have convinced yourself no woman on earth has ever or will ever be interested in you Well the only reason I convinced myself no woman has been interested in me before is because it's literally never happened. Believe me, if it did ever happen I would be the first one to talk about it but I'm not exaggerating nor am I trying to hyperbolize that statement. I say it cause in a literal sense, I've never met or known any woman who ever found me attractive. If it did happen be…
/r/seduction31/10/21 08:33 AM
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I wouldn't say that. At the end of the day, the most important opinion to me is my own because that's the one that drives me forwards and cause me to improve my life and feel good about myself when I do make myself proud. But when it comes to whether or not women consider me attractive then women's opinion of me specifically does become a major factor considering it's their decision. If I'm ever going to go on a date someday or kiss or do anything romantic then the woman has to agree to it as we…
/r/seduction31/10/21 08:19 AM
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>Okay, I spotted a flaw in your thinking which is "I need to become better/improve to like myself" Well to be honest, I love myself. I love what I've made of my life. I kinda come from a very bad & lowly place so being able to reach life goals of mine (earlier than expected) will forever ensure that I can't ever really complain about myself or my life, considering where I come from and who I was 6 years ago. I can tell you with sincerity, no reason to lie, that I like myself. But issue here is t…
/r/seduction31/10/21 08:04 AM
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>The key to liking and respecting yourself is to stop doing things that make you like yourself less and make you lose respect for yourself. I totally get this. When I began my self improvement a few years ago, one of the things that I realized was that I needed to start seeing myself as another person. As in I needed to step outside of my own state of being if I were to truly hold myself accountable for real life things. My biggest weakness back then was my eating & lack of exercise. I started g…
/r/seduction31/10/21 07:49 AM
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I've gone out with friends yea or group of friends but never in the context that you're talking about no.
/r/seduction31/10/21 07:34 AM
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No I never have.
/r/seduction31/10/21 07:05 AM
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I've always wanted to go somewhere solo for Halloween and maybe attempt this considering people say Halloween is a good time to go out. Unfortunately I cannot this year so I'll have to say no.
/r/seduction31/10/21 02:51 AM
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This is pretty much me. I had this happen to me. I told myself my goal was to go on a date or kiss by 30. And here I am, 29 and I ended up failing. I don't know what else I could have done to remedy the situation, I did all I could within my power to change and become a better, more well rounded person in hopes of one day meeting women's standards but it never did end up happening. Ironically you talk about it but I've recently read a few articles who talk about people who went their whole lives…
/r/seduction31/10/21 02:46 AM
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I'm in the same boat expect I'm not a very good looking guy myself. I'm 29 and never had the opportunity to ever do anything romantic with a woman before. My goal was to date or kiss before 30, but here I am and I've failed unfortunately.
/r/seduction31/10/21 02:41 AM
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I'm not sure about overshooting my looks because I'm very good looking at all. I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I do t believe I really qualify to be a 4 if I'm being totally honest. I sort of tried to go for material success but to be honest it hasn't really had much of an effect on anything.
/r/seduction27/10/21 03:13 PM
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Any advice for a guy who's done a lot of this type of stuff successfully but has never been considered attractive my a woman before?
/r/seduction27/10/21 08:36 AM
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I mean yea, I'm at an older age and I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to ever date me before so I kinda am out of options in terms of what I can realistically do about it. I wouldn't call it being down on my luck, because that would imply luck is a factor. If luck were the factor then at something during my life maybe the luck would be good simply by the account of it being luck. I'm an objectively good-looking guy and there are guys out there dating much more beautiful // s…
/r/seduction26/10/21 04:11 PM
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I'm not sure about that, because from what I've been able to compile. The amount if money that I have hasn't really correlated to how attractive I look to women.
/r/seduction25/10/21 11:43 PM
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I've gotten is the best shape I've ever been in these past few years. Still working at it but I've hit a lot of personal goals. Yea I feel the same way. Being judged on looks really sucks because there's nothing you can do about what you look like and what face you are born with. Unless you consider extremes such as plastic surgery or something crazy but I'm honestly not willing to do that. With women there is always going to be a man who finds them attractive, no matter what you look like. I be…
/r/seduction25/10/21 07:34 PM
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I get that it's visual, and I've done a lot to improve myself visually but unfortunately, even after my efforts, I'm still not a very attractive looking guys in comparison. I'm just not sure what all else I'd a viable option to improve what I look like.
/r/seduction23/10/21 03:36 PM
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I guess the issue there would be consent. Unsolicited touching of women is probably not something I'm down with especially considering that not only is it illegal but it can really just be a shitty thing to do. Not sure what you're getting at but sexual touching people without consent, man or woman, I dont think is the answer if I'm being quite honest.
/r/seduction23/10/21 03:33 PM
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Yea, at this rate I'll be 50 and never having net any woman's standards. I'm thinking it best to simply and efficiently move on from the subject.
/r/seduction21/10/21 03:21 PM
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I'm not sure about type of woman, I've never had a girlfriend or anything like that or been on a date so I'm not sure. As for my standards I mean, I've personally ally never met any woman's standards so I'm not really a very good looking guy myself. It would be very hypocritical of me to judge anyone based on looks, I can't say I really care all that much about what a woman physically looks like considering I'm not attractive.
/r/seduction21/10/21 03:20 PM
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Being funny, I guess that's subjective. I don't believe I'm telling jokes all the time or anything so I don't believe so. I do laugh with my friends when something is funny or we say something, etc. But I dont tell many jokes like that. Sexualizing? I mean there's only been a few times when sexual content has come up with women and a few are when someone was talking about sex they prefer. I think sexual positions? I don't recall. But the topic we talk about is t really sex or sexual. In terms of…
/r/seduction21/10/21 01:20 AM
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I mean I never really had any issues speaking to the people in my social circle, or with someone I don't already know. No real issues speaking with my women friends either. I understand that interaction does not equal attraction and that's very clear to me so I don't see it as that myself. Speaking with someone would not be the issue by elimination. Me not being attractive enough for women is the key issue and that's what I've never been able to overcome due to the nature of the issue itself. Wh…
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:43 PM
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Depending on my availability I sometimes hang out with my friends who either live with women (their gf, spouses, etc) or of its a female friend I may meet them somewhere or at their place. But it's all completely dependent on my availability in relation to work so in terms of how often I'm around women I would say maybe 2 to 3 tomes per week? On average.
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:35 PM
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I'm not sure if I'd consider 30 young. Technically 30 is already well into adulthood and over half of a lifespan. I could try a cruise ship. I've only been on boats that belonged to friends, etc. Where they've done parties or get together on. But not a cruise ship.
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:32 PM
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I've actually never had any woman consider me attractive looking enough to date before. Even after the work I've done to make myself better and better my life.
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:27 PM
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I agree. Other than continuing my business I'm not sure what all else I could work towards into getting my life together. Now that I've cleared off a lot of life goals there really isn't a whole lot that I still desire other than maybe one day having a family but as you mentioned I probably shouldn't focus on that. My life right now is the best it's ever been and I just thought with all I've been able to achieve I hoped that by now I could have probably shared it all with someone.
/r/seduction20/10/21 07:22 PM
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I kinda have put myself in situations around women. When I began my expeditions into social circles and what not. I spoke to more women in yhe last few years than ever before. While that venture was a great, it was not fruitful in terms of anyone finding me attractive or anything. But I did make plenty of friends that there my consolidation really. I'll never complain about making new friends. A lot of my numbers came from my 20s Yea, I'm ending my 20s now and never really got the opportunity. S…
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:52 PM
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how do you know that none find you attractive though? I believe considering I'm 29 and never had anyone consider me attractive enough to ever date or do anything romantic with sort of solidifies the fact that no one's found me attractive before. Do you feel that you are already kind of 'maxxed' out in terms of style, fitness, sex appeal etc? I guess the answer is no. I could always lift even more, I could look into getting bigger. My friend has been asking me if I'm looking to put on more mass t…
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:47 PM
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I guess that's the issue. I've read that many times before. I recall reading an article on here where someone wrote that "attraction is a choice", and I found that fascinating considering I've never had anyone find me attractive before in my life. If attraction is a choice then exactly how unattractive could I be that during my life I never met any woman's standards. And on top of all of that you take into consideration what you mentioned that there is no theoretical way to "seduce" a woman who …
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:27 PM
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Yes.
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:16 PM
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So what do you think you're better off doing? Mentally I believe it would be better if I just dropped the entire idea so that if never have to second guess it ever again. My mind is almost always on productive or more positive things unless I'm thinking about how I've never met a woman's standards before. I know its purely arbitrary & it technically has no basis as to whether or not a person is happy, but I guess I still have it in mind that going on a date or holding hands, etc is something I t…
/r/seduction20/10/21 01:15 PM
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Quite a few. I've lost weight, been dieting and exercising for around 4 years now. I've gotten my own home, began/joined various social circles, adopted hobbies I enjoyed and became involved in them. Among other things.
/r/seduction20/10/21 06:42 AM
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Seriously envy you. Only number I really care about is I hope I could someday be attractive enough to date someone.
/r/seduction20/10/21 06:09 AM
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It's crazy that these type of advice posts literally boil down to you have to be attractive. Very unfortunate for the guts who aren't.
/r/seduction20/10/21 06:05 AM
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Work on yourself as much as possible women will chase you. Yea I don't believe that this is entirely accurate. I've worked on myself for over 10 years now and while my life has never been better I've still never had any woman consider me attractive enough to ever date or anything. Long time ago someone told me if I became the best version of myself that eventually I'd meet the standards of some woman. That hasn't happened yet.
/r/seduction20/10/21 05:59 AM
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What about guys like myself who have never had any kind of signs, IOIs or anything?
/r/seduction20/10/21 05:51 AM
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So I've worked my myself for about 4 years now and while I have improved myself dramatically it hasn't really had any correlation to women. People told me if I lost weight, gained muscle, got social circles/more friends, socialized more then I'd meet someone someday. Well, needless to say, that never did end up happening. I'm not gonna complain too much considering I'm physically the healthiest I've ever been and I did manage to make great friends out of all this. But I will say it's pretty disa…
/r/seduction01/10/21 02:15 PM
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Any advice for a guy who isn't attractive to women? I'm at an older age but still holding out some hope that maybe one day I'll be able to go on a date. I've never had any woman consider me attractive enough to date before and wondering maybe you'd have some advice for a guy who's never met a woman's standards?
/r/seduction01/10/21 02:07 PM
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Any advice for men that are not attractive to women? I've never had any woman be attracted to me before, & all the men I know have had girlfriends before or are married so they are attractive to women so I can't really get much out of that.
/r/seduction01/10/21 02:05 PM
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Remember: attraction is not a choice, what we do about it is. I'm not sure if this is entirely accurate because I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. From what I can tell it's clear that attraction or non attraction is definitely a choice based off of what that person wants/requires.
/r/seduction01/10/21 02:01 PM
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Been thinking about your response. Genuinely wondering if I should give up on the women thing and just live my life instead. Any advice from a person of your experience vs someone who has none?
/r/seduction29/09/21 05:40 PM
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I don't really think that's realistic unless girls look at you on a daily basis with disgust or have some distorted face I don't think that happens, I mean maybe it does but I'm not aware.. im not sure. But I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so there never been any sort of attraction so that's why by default I think I'm probably a 1 or 0 if that's measurable.. I'd say I'm in good shape, health wise and according to my doctor he says all is good. I'm easily in yhe best health …
/r/seduction28/09/21 10:26 PM
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That's true, unfortunately we don't live in the dark. If it were completely dark all the time then maybe in that world I would have been given a chance.
/r/seduction28/09/21 10:13 PM
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Scale of 1-10, what's your rating? If you're talking about attractiveness scale then I'm probably a 1. I've never had anyone consider me attractive before so you can kinda surmise my rating from that fact alone. Or DM me a pic.. I honestly would not mind even posting myself publically but reality is that I'm running a small business that's grown exponentially this year and still going, at this point I would like to keep my anonymity in tact. If it weren't for my business or professional ventures…
/r/seduction28/09/21 10:13 PM
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That said, I do know some pretty ugly dudes in happy relationships, so it's not impossible I mean if they're in relationships then honestly they can't be considered ugly if women find them attractive. Guys who are actually unattractive are not going to be attractive to women.
/r/seduction28/09/21 09:15 PM
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These are all great, but none of this really helps you with girls. I can tell, there's been no correlation to attractiveness despite doing all these things that people recommended me do. People told me to get in shape, socialize more etc. While those things have made my life better for sure, it apparently has no connection to women. But there's a reason why there's a ton of good looking guys in great shape or millionaires who are 30+ year old virgins. I definitely don't fall in the category of g…
/r/seduction28/09/21 09:13 PM
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Don't believe I've given up, I'm just not sure exactly what all can realistically be done at this point. I mean for all intents and purposes I think I should probably be done given my age and never having had any woman consider me attractive before. That's definitely a strong sign to stop even thinking about it now that you bring it up. Never thought of it that way but giving up on this particular aspect of my life would probably be more fruitful then hoping one day it would happen. In terms of …
/r/seduction28/09/21 07:33 PM
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Of course you have control over your life but in terms of women. They have to find you attractive in order for you to be with them romantically. And if you're one of the guys who isn't attractive enough for women then you kinda don't have any control in that.
/r/seduction28/09/21 07:03 PM
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I have read the thread and while it is very upsetting the OP does have a total point that appearance is key. What I was saying is that some people are born not very attractive and considering that appearance is key what are they to do realistically? Like if you were born unattractive to women what can really be done to circumvent that? I've personally worked as hard as I can to focus on the things gs I have control over in terms of making myself the best version of me possible. But unfortunately…
/r/seduction28/09/21 06:42 PM
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Women a business in my experience are night and day. With one you have total control over your successes and can reevaluate what objectively works and what does not. Business is stable in the sense that you can follow patterns or even create your own but at the end of the day there are objective based skills you can learn that allow you to progress in any direction you decide. Again you have that power in your hands to push where you want your business to succeed in and there really isn't anythi…
/r/seduction28/09/21 06:39 PM
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I've been actively working out and dieting for about 4 years now. I am physically the best I've ever been but I've never worked out before this. But strength wise and body fat wise I've never been in better shape. initially began doing it so that I could become more attractive but once I realized that even after working g out for years I wasn't any more attractive than when I started I just kept working out ad a life habit as opposed to having a set looks goal. I still work out but for health re…
/r/seduction28/09/21 06:34 PM
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But being good friends with women is BOTH just a nice addition to your life, because who doesn't like friends... AND a great way to improve your dating life indirectly. I do agree with being friends part, as you said who doesn't like more friends, but in my experience having women friends has had no correlation to improving my dating life in any way. I've never had any woman consider me attractive before and while I've met many women who have been able to become great friends, doing so gas not h…
/r/seduction28/09/21 11:17 AM
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Thanks for the write up, this is the type of advice I honestly wish I had when I was younger. I don't see that you covered this and it's probably not relevant but I'll ask anyways. Do you have any advice for a guy who's never had a woman consider him attractive before? Maybe you may have some advice that could be applied to my situation as opposed to a normal guy's perspective.
/r/seduction28/09/21 11:10 AM
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On the scale of 10 I'm probably a 0 or a 1 given that I've never had any woman consider me attractive before in my whole life. And yes it's definitely something I've struggled with although the only aspect of life that it's affected had been my romantic life which has never happen or existed obviously. Personal life, friends, business & professional life have all been unaffected by my looks. I only wish romance and attraction was like business and friendship, that way my looks wouldn't matter.
/r/seduction28/09/21 11:05 AM
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I've been able to start a business, lose weight, etc and yes those things are a direct matter of work input and output. But the matter of being attractive to women has no real correlation to work input/output. At least from my experiences. With those other aspects, you are in control. You decide how you raise capital for your business, you make the decisions and you get to invest/incorporate your funds into what you feel is fruitful. You get to decide what you eat, how and when you work out and …
/r/seduction28/09/21 11:00 AM
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As a person who has been able to reach his life goals and get out of bad places as a child I 100% agree that luck isn't really a factor on your success. Problem though is that when it comes to being attractive it kinda is just pure luck. I wasn't really given luck to be attractive enough for women so I've never had that opportunity to ever date or anything like that. So on the side of being good looking enough for women there isn't much you can do about how good looking you are when you're born,…
/r/seduction28/09/21 10:53 AM
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Yea it's very clear that appearance is key. Only issue is there are some men who just aren't very good looking and it kinda seals the deal for us ever having a chance due to appearance being so prevalent.
/r/seduction28/09/21 10:50 AM
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What if you've never met any woman who has ever been attracted to you before?
/r/seduction28/09/21 10:46 AM
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if you are honestly happy out and about and can chat, engage, etc...then you should find someone. You would think so but unfortunately I've never met any woman who considered me attractive before.
/r/seduction17/09/21 02:39 PM
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When you say not near my peak do you mean I'm that far past it? Cause I'm 29 now. I live in the DFW area, education level is high school, without too much detail my day typically consists of gym, quick zoom meeting with my partners on day to day operation, work from home, maybe run some professional/personal errands in the afternoon depending on priority. I'm co owner of a business that me and my friend started and it's gotten really serious since the beginning of the year so my time mostly cons…
/r/seduction13/09/21 09:22 PM
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I can't speak for others but when I say peak I mean the prime male years that are between 14 - 18 or around there. I'm 29 so I'm kinda well past that. A chance for what exactly? For me I'm referencing that I've never had a chance to ever go on a date or anything considering I've never had any woman find me attractive before.
/r/seduction13/09/21 06:27 PM
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Not the original poster but I'm 29 and even though I'm well past my peak I'm personally in yhe best position I've ever been in life. I only wish I were more attractive and if I were 15 years younger then maybe there'd be a chance.
/r/seduction13/09/21 10:10 AM
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I can personally attest that just being happy and living your beat life has zero correlation to success with women. Long story short I've achieved a lot of my personal life goals in the past few years and have been able to live the life that I've always wanted. Only caveat being throughout my life I've never had any woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction13/09/21 10:05 AM
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Ya know what happens when you do those things that satisfy you and make you a better man? Can ya guess??? Answer: WOMEN COME FLOCKING TO YOU! From first hand experience I can say that this is simply not true even in the slightest. My friend said something similar to me a few years ago and since that time I've gotten into a myriad of hobbies, so many that I explored but only a few in stayed filly interested in as my time became more scarce. While I have met people and made new friends etc. And I …
/r/seduction13/09/21 10:02 AM
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What if you've never had any woman attracted to you before?
/r/seduction13/09/21 09:52 AM
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My ability to achieve goals is not something I don't doubt or lack. But despite that none of it has really translated to women being attracted to me. At least not romantically.
/r/seduction05/09/21 05:16 PM
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I mean I achieved many life goals and still going strong now so I don't doubt my lifestyle goals. But I personally never met or known of any woman who considered me attracted and I've never had any woman be attracted to me before.
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:45 PM
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Well not sure about that considering I've never met any woman who was ever attracted to me before.
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:32 PM
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Honestly I'm not sure. Definitely not 3, don't believe it can be 1 either. Neither 2 as well
/r/seduction05/09/21 03:14 PM
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Not sure how accurate that is. I feel in between both my personal and professional life women are a normal part of my life. Yet I've never had any woman consider me attractive yet.
/r/seduction05/09/21 08:04 AM
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I'm not sure if that works as well as you'd think. I created a great social circle for myself about 3 years ago and while I've been able to meet lots of people through it and made genuine friends I have still yet to find any woman who considered me attractive.
/r/seduction05/09/21 08:02 AM
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I'm 29, M Never had sex or ever dated before. In terms of attractiveness, based off of the lack of attraction from any woman I've met before I'd have to say I'd probably be around a 1 or 2/10 if I'm being generous.
/r/seduction01/09/21 06:50 AM
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Yea, my improvement has become just an aspect of my life now. In terms of attraction should you assume even if they're not attracted to you? I've never had any woman I've met before be attracted to me so would it have been incorrect to assume?
/r/seduction23/08/21 10:09 AM
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They have perspective that you could never have. So I did end up asking a close friend of mine. Although to be completely honest I wasn't exactly enthralled by her response as it didn't really wield much information as to what the issue could be. It was already a weird subject to bring up so I didn't follow up it considering her answer was kind of a non answer already you know? If it's all the same when you're close friends, I wonder if you've ever been attracted to a close female friend. Don't …
/r/seduction14/08/21 03:32 PM
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Well I'm actually talking about myself because I've actually haven't had a woman consider me attractive before. I only say that cause out of all the people I've met in my life, especially these last couple of years, I've never met any woman or knew of any woman who ever considered me attracted or was attracted to me. So I'm kinda not sure what to do about that other than continue my life and focus on what I have control over and as you said continue my improvements. Now it's more of my lifestyle…
/r/seduction14/08/21 03:06 PM
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Of course. Any advice to a guy who's never had any woman be attracted to him before?
/r/seduction13/08/21 08:54 AM
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I just want to say while I don't understand one bit of any of your advice (as I've never been able to be on a date before or anything) I really enjoy all your contributions and words via replies and posts you've made. If I were one of the guys who could date, I believe I would've found your advice to be solid because you always have reasonable analyses.
/r/seduction12/08/21 08:48 PM
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So I remember someone telling me that in order to ever have a girldfirned you must first learn to make friends. I spent a few years cultivating hobbies and friends from those hobbies til I found not only a great group of people I can call real friends but a lot of them have been way more social than me for a much longer period of time, thus they had many more friends that i had yhe pleasure of meeting. But as of now, while I can say I reached my goal of having real friend and a circle. I have ye…
/r/seduction12/08/21 08:43 PM
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I don't think it's awkward for me, mostly awkward for the person I'm asking. Since it's something that has to do with me not them. ​ Either way, I asked some of my closer friends, their answers didn't reveal too much unfortunately so I'm kinda back to square one. ​ I believed I'd see more insight based on the question but unfortunately nothing really to extrapolate from it.
/r/seduction08/08/21 10:55 PM
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I think it would just be an extremely awkward thing to ask all the women I know. Especially ones I've known for a while.
/r/seduction03/08/21 08:38 AM
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I never have really. I just never had any woman consider me attractive before, and I've never had the idea of asking why not. Seems like too much of an odd question to ask really?
/r/seduction03/08/21 07:18 AM
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I don't really gleefully agree with people in general. Unless its something I genuinely agree about. I don't believe every person is a lovely innocent creature. We all have real flaws, some people more major flaws than others but I never assume people are perfect cause no person is. Man or woman.
/r/seduction03/08/21 06:55 AM
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What do you mean?
/r/seduction03/08/21 06:16 AM
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Usually through either work or through friends of friends typically.
/r/seduction02/08/21 05:13 PM
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Well you seem like you had a great start being able to begin at an early age. I'm 29 and never had any woman be attracted to me before, and no idea really what recourse is even possible now.
/r/seduction01/08/21 05:03 AM
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I mean, I talk a lot with my close female friends and sometimes their friends when I meet them. Never had anyone attracted to me though.
/r/seduction01/08/21 05:02 AM
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Cause I'm 29 and never had any woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction01/08/21 05:01 AM
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Well I've been doing my thing for about 29 years now, and I've never had a woman consider me attractive yet. Don't really know what else to do.
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:08 PM
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Qell it's been 29 years and I've never had any woman consider me attractive give before. So I'm not really sure what I'm supposed to do?
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:03 PM
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But when is it supposed to happen?
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:02 PM
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Thank you for your response. I hope one day I could do it, it's on my bucket list but it's not looking very likely.
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:01 PM
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Odd question but I'm just very curious and don't know where/who to ask. ​ What does having sex feel like?
/r/seduction30/07/21 04:50 AM
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Not really I've never had that happen before.
/r/seduction21/07/21 09:49 AM
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What if youve never had any signals before?
/r/seduction21/07/21 08:40 AM
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I've never had anybissues speaking with people after I became more social.
/r/seduction21/07/21 03:58 AM
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Have you ever asked your female friends for tips or even for them to hook you up with one of their single friends? No not really. I feel it's a very weird and personal thing to ask? Not sure, I have some very close female friends but I've never thought of asking them about this subject, for sure I've never thought of asking them to do it for me. I find the idea pretty bizarre, putting such a daunting task on a friend? Where do you meet girls - do you go for the bar, mutual interests, the gym, et…
/r/seduction21/07/21 03:07 AM
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you need to identify what aspect of you girls find unattractive. Well I'm not exactly sure is the issue. Other than the fact that I'm unattractive I don't know what I would pinpoint. But the act of being unattractive to women makes me wonder what my recourse even is? Realistically what options are even viable? Plastic surgery? Just go on 1 date, this is your goal. Yea this was my goal for many many years. It kind of stopped being my goal when I realized that I wasn't attractive to women. Sort of…
/r/seduction21/07/21 01:39 AM
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I guess cause out of all the women I've met before I've never had anyone of them like me in that way. How do you approach women? Do you have female friends? So I don't exactly know what people mean or what qualifies as an "approach" so I don't know how to answer that honestly. If I'm speaking with a woman I don't currently know then I introduce myself first and get an understanding of who she is, etc. Also I do have female friends.
/r/seduction21/07/21 01:30 AM
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I should read it again soon, because the times that I've read it it kind of talks to the reader as if you have women attracted to you left and right or that you have constant opportunities to go on dates, etc. You say you don’t have women attracted to you, but that’s probably some bullshit because you most likely have never asked the woman who held a stare at you for slightly longer than what seemed normal In terms of what people call iois, this has never happened to me before. In this instance …
/r/seduction20/07/21 06:13 PM
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I guess this is good advice for guys who ho on dates but I've never been on a date before or had any woman want to date me before.
/r/seduction20/07/21 06:04 PM
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Well my issue is that I've never had a woman like me before. What should I do following your rules if women don't want me?
/r/seduction20/07/21 05:55 PM
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I have, began doing self improvement about 4 years ago.
/r/seduction20/07/21 05:53 PM
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So what if I've done pretty much all of that in the past 4 years? I sort of began doing that and haven't stopped since.
/r/seduction20/07/21 05:52 PM
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Yea.
/r/seduction20/07/21 04:14 PM
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Maybe I'm misinterpreting but I've read Models about 3 times and I still don't really know what exactly to get out of it? He talks a ton about dating and the intricacies of sex but for a guy like myself who's never had a woman attracted to me before there isn't much advice that can be applicable to a guy who doesn't have women attracted to him.
/r/seduction20/07/21 07:24 AM
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For a guy like myself who's never been in a romantic situation before this type of content is the only reference material I have.
/r/seduction20/07/21 07:18 AM
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Goal is to go on a date someday.
/r/seduction20/07/21 07:17 AM
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I don't know what's considered an "approach".
/r/seduction19/07/21 10:55 AM
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Well I've never met or known of any woman that ever found me attractive before. I do have female friends, never had any romantic interests as I've never had any romantic experience or anything.
/r/seduction14/07/21 07:45 AM
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I'm in a similar boat except I've never had a woman want me before. Not in a romantic sense anyways.
/r/seduction13/07/21 09:21 AM
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Not really no.
/r/seduction08/07/21 07:38 PM
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Have you never had that feeling that you shouldn't be somewhere, or that the sales guy talking to you is full of shit? Of course I have but I've never had any feeling of the sort regarding women or in the sense that you've mentioned. Just get out there and start talking to girls, any girls. Develop a feel for interaction Well talking to people isn't really much of a problem. By now I have a good group of friends, male and female that I regularly speak to so I don't have an issue talking with peo…
/r/seduction08/07/21 07:06 PM
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But what I’m not seeing is that you’ve tried taking your shots, have you put yourself out there? I mean I've made more friends in the past 2 years than I ever have before. I don't know what else I can do to be out there. During my life I've never had any woman consider me attractive before so I don't know what the next step, if any, even is.
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:08 AM
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So would it be a good idea to just tell people that I've never had any woman attracted to me before or I've never been in any romantic situation before?
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:06 AM
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But I've never dated before.
/r/seduction08/07/21 08:05 AM
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I'm 29 and I've ne er had any woman consider me attractive before. I've never known or heard of anyone in my age group have the same situation so would the same apply?
/r/seduction08/07/21 07:55 AM
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I'm 29, never had sex before.
/r/seduction08/07/21 07:50 AM
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That's what I'm saying is so far I've never been in a situation where it would make sense to do it. So it's all defaulted to don't in this case because none of these situations have ever happened to me before. What should be done if there is never been an opportunity to ever feel like I should to try?
/r/seduction08/07/21 07:45 AM
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What if you don't have any issue speaking to people in public, women or otherwise? I don't really have that issue but at the same time I don't know what I'm supposed to say exactly. I've never been in a situation where a women has ever found me attractive so I don't know what I'm supposed to say to make it an approach vs just speaking.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:25 AM
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I sort of understand. I guess I just don't comprehend since I've gone my whole life without these feelings thay people say "you know" or in this case a "gut feeling". Like it's very vague and ethereal that I don't really know what it entails or if there are any guidelines to it.
/r/seduction07/07/21 06:12 AM
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I'm not sure if it will make me happy or not, but I think would like to experience sex at least one time in my life before I go.
/r/seduction06/07/21 03:49 PM
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What if you've never had any signals before?
/r/seduction02/07/21 07:03 AM
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What do you have to do to get a gut feeling? Or could you elaborate on what you mean?
/r/seduction02/07/21 07:03 AM
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For the longest time my life goal was to become financially independent and about 6 years ago I achieved more than I thought I could. After that I said I would work on myself and I've been dieting, working out and focusing on what I have control o er for about 4 years. Including having friends for the first time, social circles, etc. I thought maybe when I got my life together that maybe I'd meet a woman's standard. But I'm 29 now, and I've never met a woman who's found me attractive or I've met…
/r/seduction02/07/21 07:01 AM
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Any advice if you've never had a woman give you signals before?
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:48 AM
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Any advice for someone in his scenario except I don't really have any social anxiety and I don't watch porn?
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:47 AM
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I never bring up my experience, or lack therof in this case, but I'm usually at a loss when every once in a blue moon some will ask me about my romances in my past and I just don't know what to say to her. I just say it's something I don't think about, etc and change subject. But I don't know a y other alternatives? Any advice for someone who doesn't really have an issue talons with people? I don't really watch porn, I've seen it before but I never did get into it.
/r/seduction02/07/21 06:45 AM
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I have plenty of guy and women friends but I've never met any one of their friends or any woman who was ever attracted to me before.
/r/seduction24/06/21 06:44 AM
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Well I believe it would only be logical given that someone is a 7/10?
/r/seduction24/06/21 01:24 AM
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I mean that's the thing I'm not really a 4/10 myself so I wouldn't be able to tell you. Someone who's 7/10 isn't gonna have any issue with women clearly. I wish I could be a 4/10 as well too.
/r/seduction24/06/21 12:28 AM
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I was just saying if your friend is a 7/10 then the situation you explained is extremely normal and expected really. I just wish I were a 7 myself.
/r/seduction23/06/21 11:36 PM
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Great video, I appreciate you breaking down the elements of kissing and what it does neurologically to humans. Especially because I've never had the opportunity to ever kiss anyone before in my life and it's something I've always wondered about emotionally & mentally.
/r/seduction23/06/21 11:16 PM
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Well to be honest if he's a 7/10 then there really isn't any example for guys who aren't as good looking as your friend.
/r/seduction23/06/21 11:13 PM
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Do you have any advice for a guy who has never had any woman attracted to him before? Or someone who has never been in any of these situations listed before?
/r/seduction23/06/21 11:03 PM
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I hope some day I'll be able to go on my first date one day. Saving this with hopes that it's possible, thank you.
/r/seduction22/06/21 07:44 AM
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I do understand what you're saying. But their priority is always to have fun and be the best in what they do. Never to find the love of their love. Fun comes first. This was the actual goal of my life for about 6 years now. Since I adopted that my life has transformed in many ways, not just because of this but also because I put myself on the grind and fixed a lot of personal issues, pyshical and mental. It really was the best decision of pivoting my mindset because shifting my priority to have …
/r/seduction18/06/21 04:48 PM
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What do you mean with believe in numbers? I am a very big proponent of believing in numbers but if we're talking about number of women who have been attracted to me then unfortunately the number is zero because it's kinda never happened before. Believe me if it ever did I would be the first one to count it because at least with that information I would know there is a path or a chance to take.
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:44 AM
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The thing about approach from what people describe, to me is not difficult. I can literally go up to anyone and talk to them if that's what approach is but to my limited knowledge I know its more than that. My biggest stick up is what to say, what to do and when for it to be considered an approach. I'm not sure if I've read Venusian Arts bit have read the mystery method a few times. It kinda suffers from the same issue that nowhere in the book does it actually say what an approach even is or wha…
/r/seduction18/06/21 09:28 AM
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Wish it were that easy. Seriously.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:40 AM
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Ok, people always told me to look for signs but I guess that's not viable. I never got any signs either way so it's not much to abandon the theory. What you say and when you say it differs on different women and different settings. Thats what I'm kind of not understanding. People talk about approach but no one actually talks about what it is. What it entails, what the goal is, what the process is etc. That's where I'm stuck on and there doesn't seem to be any info on it anywhere I look.
/r/seduction18/06/21 08:21 AM
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That's kinda what I've done, focus in the things that inhave control over. While improving on all these aspects has made me personal life better, it hasn't had any affect on women. At least not in a romantic sense anyways. I only asked because too many of the YouTube people have reccomended have been from attractive men who aren't really in the position that I'm in so it kinda doesn't really matter at that point.
/r/seduction18/06/21 02:54 AM
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If you're not morbidly obese and you're having this much trouble you're probably autistic I don't know, I've had tests done just basic medical and I've never been diagnosed with anything. I know some people with autism and to be honest I don't think I have what they have. Paying for someone irl to have sex with you is illegal depending on the country but you could always just go somewhere else. I'm not really comfortable paying someone to have sex. It just doesn't seem like something I'd be ok w…
/r/seduction18/06/21 02:11 AM
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Oh OK. I live in the US and I'm 29. Most of the social gatherings are either with friends or when friends do some party or whatever with people they know. I've lost pretty much all my weight, still working to get myself up to my target. I don't believe my teeth is bad enough to warrant any major fixing, at least according to my dentist. I have main goals, multiple right now.
/r/seduction18/06/21 01:34 AM
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I don't know if its impossible because I'm 29 and I've never had any woman consider me attractive before and there's never been a opportunity for anything romantic or any romantic scenario before. I don't believe my social skills are 0 because technically speaking that would apply to friends and social circles which aren't really an issue for me. What city exactly are you talking about? I don't think I'm set up to move as I just purchased a house here just a few years ago. What would basic quest…
/r/seduction18/06/21 01:29 AM
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You are never to late to learn. And the older you are the easier it is to progress. How would that figure? I'm genuinely asking because as I'm in my older age I realize that I don't think I even still qualify considering I might just missed out on dating when everyone else did it. I can't vouch for whether it's harder or easier as I've never had any romantic experience or scenario at any point in my life so it's all kinda the same to me in terms of difficulty. But in the beginning start saying i…
/r/seduction18/06/21 01:12 AM
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but dont go walking around with the belief that no woman ever found you attractive enough to date. Well I'm not sure if it's a belief moreso I only mention it because its never happened before. 50 dates is arbitrary. Some guys will improve massively after 10 dates. Some need 100. I understand, my initially still standing though of Ive never been able to have someone consider me for one date so I don't know how viable it would be to attach reliance on 10 whole dates, let alone 50 or even 100. Ord…
/r/seduction18/06/21 01:05 AM
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What if I qualify for those already except for the being attractive part?
/r/seduction18/06/21 12:58 AM
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As far as skills and experience I don't think I have any because I've never been in any romantic scenario before and I've never really had any woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction18/06/21 12:58 AM
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Would you reccomend any people online who are not attractive to women who have shared information on the subject matter? I haven't really ever seen any that apply.
/r/seduction18/06/21 12:57 AM
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What about when an opportunity never ends up presenting? At what point would you know you're ready or not for sex?
/r/seduction18/06/21 12:56 AM
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Well, don't look for signs, that makes you microcalibarate and think too much which tends to mess you up. So the signs mean nothing? I've always read that look for signs but I've never seen any signs myself from anyone. I have an upfront personality so I can go with the "hey I like you, let's see where this is going." So you're supposed to say that? Will they know what it means? When would you bring it up or is it somethings that's cordially said uofront? They try to befriend a woman and never e…
/r/seduction18/06/21 12:55 AM
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What if you've already done all that you listed but still haven't been able to qualify? That's kinda where I find myself now, don't know what else should be done to qualify. What is a LTR?
/r/seduction18/06/21 12:50 AM
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Well out if all the women that I've met I've never seen yhe signs you guys have spoken about before and I've never had any woman consider me attractive before. If you talk to a girl and like her, go for it. What are you supposed to say? Do you say it to people you know? Don't know? When do you say it A big problem most guys have who have never been in such a situation is that they "hide their penis". What does this mean?
/r/seduction17/06/21 06:14 PM
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What advice would you give a considerably older guy who has ever had a woman be attracted to him before.
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:32 AM
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So I honestly don't have social anxiety, etc but I don't know what are you supposed to say exactly yo qualify it as an "approach". A lot of people call it an "approach" but I've never see the definitive definition of what it actually is or what it entails?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:29 AM
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What are you supposed to say when you approach them?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:23 AM
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When you approach them what are you supposed to say?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:19 AM
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I've never had any woman consider me attractive before enough to get a date, is it viable or what is the alternative instead of 50 dates?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:13 AM
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Hi, I've noticed your posts lately and wanted to thank you for advice you've posted. I'm fairly older age and never really had any romantic experience or ever been in a situation to ever experience it myself but I have a few questions. If you are not sure if she is giving all the right signals then I would say: ‘I feel like kissing you’ Her reaction will tell you if you can go ahead. When should you say this? Would it be applicable any time or specific timing? They just gave me the look and my k…
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:09 AM
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I'm 29 and never been in any romantic situation before cause I've never had a woman attracted to me before so I don't really know the concept of the usual topics here but I read to learn. If you don't kind me asking what do you mean by wait until you're ready to have sex? Or when you say you will know when that is?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:03 AM
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What advice would you have for someone that never had a woman attracted to him before?
/r/seduction17/06/21 10:00 AM
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What advice would you have for someone that never had a woman attracted to him before?
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:59 AM
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What advice would you have for someone that never had a woman attracted to him before?
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:59 AM
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Any advice you would give someone who has never been in any of these romanticnsituation or never had a woman consider him attractive before?. I have friends and circles, etc, I've worked on myself and built my life to what I always wanted it to be but when it comes to women I've never had any woman consider me attractive before.
/r/seduction17/06/21 09:49 AM
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Any advice for someone who does have female friends but has never had any woman attracted to him before? I've never been in any romantic scenario or situation before nor ever had any woman be attracted to me before. But I do have friends, that's including female friends etc.
/r/seduction15/06/21 09:06 AM
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Would you still want me to let you know about the approaches?
/r/seduction10/06/21 02:20 PM
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I mean talking to women is not the issue. As I mentioned if I spoke to 5 women what would that do? I mean I have friends, guy and female friends etc. I just genuinely don't know what to do or what step to take at all, and I search to see if there is anyone who would have advice? I don't mind doing the approaches today but what are the requirements of what you want me to say specifically?
/r/seduction10/06/21 02:15 PM
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I honestly don't feel the way you're talking about. I still don't know what people mean by "approaches", just talk to random women? With what goal? What are you supposed to say or do? Where? When you say do the work I don't know what work to be done or what to begin doing. I don't think I'm unique, I just don't understand. I've never had any kind or type of romantic experience or had any woman interested in me before or attracted to me so I get that I don't understand. I just see people's issues…
/r/seduction10/06/21 09:40 AM
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See thats the thing, every time I see any advice about this people always frame it as in "facing fear". Honestly what fear? I don't mean to be critical but why is it framed as fear? People act like women or the authorities will come slaughter you if you're not attractive or something. I don't get it. Also I wouldn't say I'm frustrated, I'm more confused than anything. At my age I've never had any woman consider me attractive before and I'm not "angry" or anything about it, more just wondering if…
/r/seduction09/06/21 01:48 PM
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Yea I'm not really sure can realistically be done. But I'm all ears for any advice that would be helpful.
/r/seduction09/06/21 01:37 AM
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Thing is I've never had any indicators of interest before.
/r/seduction06/06/21 10:54 PM
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Any advice for if you've already been at the gym and have had purpose?
/r/seduction06/06/21 10:53 PM
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That's the thing I have no idea of what would be considered wrong. I've done a lot to improve myself over these last 4 years of my life and I have taken care of everything you listed. Haircut, clothes, weight, slouching, Hygiene, None of those are issues so at this point I just have no clue, and there doesn't seem to be anyone with any answers or advice that would be applicable. My conclusion is that it probably has to do with my age, maybe at my age never having had any woman consider me attrac…
/r/seduction06/06/21 07:51 PM
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I did read that and it cleared it up as a concept. Issue is that in your last 3 bulletpoints there two that involve a woman finding you attractive and the other is means no luck. Is there any other strategy or pick up method that would work for a guy who women don't find attractive? I've personally never had any woman be interested in me (at least not romantically) so I can't really apply any of the info you provided despite how thorough you were with it.
/r/seduction06/06/21 07:09 PM
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I've also read about people calling it a numbers game but I've never seen anyone explain what it actually means. Any advice for a guy like myself who has never had any woman be attracted to?
/r/seduction06/06/21 06:49 PM
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Any advice for a guy who's never been chosen by a woman before?
/r/seduction06/06/21 06:41 PM
1

Any advice for a guy who has never met any woman's standards?
/r/seduction06/06/21 10:55 AM
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Can you make sexual comments towards women in convo's? When are you supposed to bring it up? do you feel comfortable touching women? If there is permission I suppose but I've never been in that situation before. Issue is that I've never read any info online that has been applicable to my situation so I'm not really sure.
/r/seduction02/06/21 12:19 PM
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I'm 29 and I've never had any woman show signs or be attracted to me before so that's really the reason I ask is because I think its the only way I'll ever get a logical answer is from people who know what they're talking about. So far all of the signs I've read about have never happened.
/r/seduction02/06/21 09:41 AM
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Yea I guess this is where I'm stuck completely on. Talking to people is not really an issue, of course that includes women. Anytime I've asked for advice people always say talk to women or make friends, but what's the step if you've already done that?
/r/seduction02/06/21 09:37 AM
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Well I've read about the signs before many times but I've never actually seen in before.
/r/seduction29/05/21 09:44 PM
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But how are you supposed to know what to do then?
/r/seduction29/05/21 10:06 AM
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What to do if there aren't women below your league?
/r/seduction29/05/21 10:04 AM
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Get into social hobbies or classes and try to strike up conversations. Not just with women you like, but anyone. Yea when I first heard this advice I felt like I had finally found the answer I was looking for. Whole it let to me making friends and having a real social life, after about 3-4 years I can say with conclusion that these things have zero correlation to women or attraction. Because even after exercising that advice I still never had any woman be attracted to me so it never had any fact…
/r/seduction29/05/21 10:03 AM
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So a guy who has supermodel looks was able to attract women? I'm sorry but what's the point of this post?
/r/seduction29/05/21 09:58 AM
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What if you've never had anyone show signs of interest?
/r/seduction29/05/21 09:26 AM
1

Man, the more I hear about sex the more I wish I could experience it.
/r/seduction29/05/21 09:23 AM
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Any advice for a guy who's never had any woman attracted to him before?
/r/seduction09/05/21 01:13 AM
1

Is there any way around this if you don't have any social media?
/r/seduction09/05/21 01:10 AM
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I'm 28 years old. I've done a lot of the physical stuff and still going for about 4 years now and still doing what I can to improve. But I've still never had anyone be physically attracted to me before.
/r/seduction01/05/21 07:40 AM
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Things I did during improvement. Damn lol. Well I think the biggest was I got in the best shape of my life and still going. Lost around 60lbs, I've had to renovate my wardrobe twice cause of the weight loss but also cause of general change in style, financially independent, I dealt with a lot of personal issues both mental and real world issues, among other things. (Found hobbies, become more comfortable, better grooming etc) Women in my social circle in interested in. Not really no, a lot of th…
/r/seduction30/04/21 06:37 AM
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I dont think anyone believes those are real though.
/r/seduction27/04/21 03:20 PM
You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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