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This is solid life advice, not great for building attraction, but just in general. This will help you acclimate to people which is what a lot of new subscribers to TRP typically have difficulty doing. One thing to remember though is that showing personal interest in someone as mentioned by OP is significantly more effective when you are a man of value. You can be a genuinely nice guy who shows sincere interest, but with hardly any other redeeming qualities, and both men AND women will still be u…
/r/TheRedPill01/08/20 07:41 PM
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Growing up all the way through high school, I was conditioned by society, peers, and even my own family to believe that men were assholes and that it was duty not to turn out like them. I'd have female friends in school tell me all about the assholes they were dating, guys that would hurt them on end. So I became of the belief that there were a lot of assholes out there. However, going through college and beyond, I'm starting to see the world as it really is. There aren't a lot of "assholes" out…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/05/20 04:43 AM
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Quarantine is a challenge. On the one hand, if you're working from home, you will have more time to take care of personal affairs such as working out, catching up on reading, etc. On the other hand, your social growth will be heavily stunted and will regress. You may still be in contact with other people via text, phone calls, online messaging, etc. but it won't carry the same weight as being in contact with a person face-to-face. Now is a great time as ever for people who are not in shape to hi…
/r/TheRedPill24/04/20 10:18 PM
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Agreed if you're talking about coming into an encounter blind or one where there's zero indication of attraction from her (ie. cold approach).
/r/TheRedPill21/04/20 07:12 AM
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Flirting doesn't create attraction but it maintains it. It lets her know that you're interested in her sexually without overtly communicating it. If you tell a girl flat-out that you want to have sex with her, you will most likely get rejected every single time unless you are absolutely attractive (wealth, fame, looks). And even then, you'll still probably get rejected. Even if a woman knows she's a hoe, she still wants to pretend like she has a reputation. Flirting allows you to communicate you…
/r/TheRedPill20/04/20 11:49 PM
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Good and bad. In a drunk state, your inhibitions are lowered. So while you gain "confidence" you are also making irrational decisions. You need to be in control of yourself so that you can exert confidence without having to have it be an impulsive decision. That takes practice over time if you don't already naturally have it.
/r/askTRP16/04/20 04:51 PM
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If you're not sure, try to video chat/call her. Most girls will respond. Easy to weed out fakes.
/r/askTRP15/04/20 09:47 PM
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She recently ended a relationship and is flirting with you because she likes you right? Wrong. She's fishing for attention and you bit the bait. That doesn't mean you can't get anything out of it. But you're probably looking to escalate this to a possible relationship. Don't, it's not going to happen. And if does somehow happen, it'll be temporary, I guarantee it. Rebound girls are tricky. If you come off too aggressive, they'll know you just want sex. Which you obviously do, and every guy in th…
/r/askTRP15/04/20 09:44 PM
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This is where understanding your audience is important: these men have to try harder to do what they are deficient in. They have trouble maintaining dignified relationships and/or finding women to have sex with. The likelihood that these men are capable of being good partners is extremely high, if you exclude the fact that being a "good" partner also means that you'd be good enough to satisfy your partner sexually. So while you're not wrong, you've overshot the implications. These men already ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/12/18 04:34 PM
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If you guys want an answer, getting a girl should be a convenience for you, not an inconvenience. If she's in the right place and right time for you and she's investing her time into you, then it is convenient. If you have to go out of your way to chase a girl or to make things happen, you're not doing it right. You're trying to get the end result before you've put in the work. Make yourself a man of value before you start trying to make moves. If you can't wait, no amount of RP will get you the…
/r/TheRedPill27/09/18 01:11 AM
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Give yourself a few years of a relationship and you'll want to go back to where you are now. I guarantee it. You want a relationship with a woman but you also want to be able to satisfy your sexual urges at the same time. Doable, but you'd have to find the right partners. And even then, it's even more work to maintain. You're toeing the line between keeping them around and keeping them in your frame.
/r/askTRP17/09/18 06:53 AM
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You're making excuses for her. Don't. She had her guard up after you explained why you called her a bitch. The fact that she continued to make out with you indicates that she would've been down for more. What you should have done was continue to push and pull. You're not good enough for her to fuck in a bathroom stall. So even when you she told you that "crazy" story, she shared it with you because you asked her about it. She didn't share with you because she was comfortable with you and hinting…
/r/TheRedPill04/08/18 05:09 PM
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When you're a guy and you're at the bottom, society will bury you with reasons for why you are where you are. When you're at the top, society will make excuses to look past your flaws. You've gotta demonstrate at least one of the following: physical attractiveness, status, wealth, and/or masculinity. If you don't, you're simply an afterthought. You could be making six figures as say an Engineer or some other white collar job peddling a 9 to 5, but you'd still be less visible and even less attrac…
/r/TheRedPill03/08/18 01:55 PM
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There's nothing wrong with calling a woman a bitch so long as it is done playfully. It's easier to throw the word around with women who are more comfortable with you, because they know you well enough that you aren't saying it offensively. You took a chance with a complete stranger. It's not recommended but it's fine. You failed when you tried to explain yourself. If you feel the urge to explain yourself, do so only in a professional environment when it is appropriate. In all other situations, n…
/r/TheRedPill03/08/18 01:45 PM
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When you're Asian, the women don't want you unless you come from a culture that is popular (think Korean). This is applicable to Chinese, Vietnamese, Filipino, etc. women. Combine that with the fact that Asian men don't generally have masculinity instilled in them, and that's what you get. I was raised in a household that wasn't strong on masculinity; they preferred that I respect the law and order of things and to go with the flow. I had to undo that conditioning on my own, whereas so many othe…
/r/TheRedPill25/07/18 02:41 AM
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All relationships must come to an end some way or another. When you state definitively that there will be no commitment on your end though, she'll either stick around or leave. If she leaves, there's no loss there as you were just getting what you needed from the interactions and nothing more. Now if you're having to work to keep a plate... that's a different story. Plates should be minimal effort at best.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/18 07:28 AM
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I think it would be great if everyone could just express themselves without having to hide themselves. But while society and people are generally accepting of women being emotional, it does not look kindly on men who are emotional. When women say they love men who are vulnerable, they take a shining to attractive men who are vulnerable. The amount of guys the average woman is attracted to is significantly less than the amount of women the average is attracted to. I had a friend who lost his moth…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:26 AM
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No. We make mistakes, but we don't create problems. Mistakes we can learn from. You begin to realize that you aren't successful with these women, so you take steps to improve your attractiveness. As for the whole "act shocked when she doesn't want to be a Plate and act like it's her fault for being mislead", that would be applicable to men who don't have a full grasp of TRP. You have to come at women like that with a certain level of BS. Everyone is selling a lie. We're all just trying to improv…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 02:18 AM
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Courting women is not as simple as, "Hey, I like you, I want to sleep with you," or, "Hey, I like you, I want you to be my girlfriend." If it was, a lot of guys would have had straightforward answers like yes or no. But we know that's not how it works. That's how we'd like it to work. In an ideal world, every person speaks truthfully about how they feel and directly to ensure that nothing is lost in translation. But that's not reality. We're not so naive as to believe that we'd get what we want …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:53 AM
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Yep, you got us figured out. But are you upset for society's sake, or for your own sake?
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:39 AM
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Believe it or not, I was agreeing with you. I don't know why OP made this post, which is why I made the points that I made.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/07/18 01:33 AM
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So where do you stand then, if not to "enjoy the decline"?
/r/TheRedPill18/07/18 05:47 AM
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This makes it pretty clear that the point of the article is to convince the readership that women are merely children of a larger growth. Or possibly that their antics mirror that of infants. Hence, the analogy. You believe I'm "hamstering" because you don't agree with my perspective. It's not that you can't understand it, you are simply too offended by it to acknowledge that it is sensible from a particular perspective. And to address your other point, when women are being compared to teenagers…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:39 AM
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A bit of naively believing that they're contributing and an attempt to get attention at the same time.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/07/18 05:29 AM
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That's practical advice, but sometimes you just like to keep a piece longer than a one night stand. If the effort to plate isn't significant, it might be worth the trouble. But if takes more effort than what its worth, then yeah, best to forget about it.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/18 05:28 AM
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You're not showing abundance nor do you have control. Everything you're doing is catered to HER actions. You may not have her on a pedestal, but she's definitely in your focus. If someone else were to piss you off, you'd cut them out. But you're still hanging on to this one, trying to "set things straight". Cut her out and leave it up to her to make it up to you. If she doesn't, then she doesn't think you're worth the effort. General rule of thumb, if you want to be in control of a relationship,…
/r/askTRP17/07/18 03:28 PM
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In reality women in the workforce simply want to do their work and advance by merit. That's a really bold statement that bears itself unto political correctness. If you've worked long enough in the work force and been observant of others, you'll know that that statement isn't even true of most people, whether male or female. While the whole women sleeping their way to the top is exaggerated, it can't be denied that women will use thirsty men to leverage themselves into better positions. Whether …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:22 PM
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If they were trying to make a point, it's been completely lost on me because it wasn't explained in their initial post. This is a worthless topic that has no bearing in a subreddit like this. But that is a consequence of letting everyone voice their own opinion.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:18 PM
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You literally took the first sentence and decided that it was the main point in the entire message. You like every other person opposed to TRP has an issue with the way the message is presented. It's an analogy. The whole message is an emphasis on the behavior of women and how to handle it accordingly. If there was a similar message that simply said, "All men are lying, cheating bastards" without any further content, I would consider it worthless. If there is a rationale for it and it is explain…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:12 PM
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There are some fundamental differences between men and women. Men at any given time think about and want to have sex with the most attractive person they can get, but will just be as willful to have sex with an average looking girl if that's all they can get. We're primed biologically to think about sex constantly and want to have sex. Women may not seem as horny as men are, but also do want to have a lot of sex. The average woman may not think about and/or want sex as much as the average guy, b…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:19 AM
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Agreed. I said it in a convoluted way but you understand exactly what I'm trying to say. The majority of men that get married are not likely to cheat not because they don't want to, but because they can't.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:08 AM
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So then I have to ask: Are we treating each situation differently for our sake, or are we doing it for their sake? If I were seeking a partner, I would have to prove to them that I can meet their expectations. Likewise, I will have certain expectations that I hold them to. I would draw a baseline between all the partners I've had an what I should expect to see, and then everything else extra beyond that either serves to benefit me or acts as a hindrance.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:06 AM
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I don't but I can make an educated determination as to what the average terper intends to do. There are a wide variety of subreddits that filter out the general populace. If they don't end up at TRP, they might end up at MGTOW, or Incels, or MensRights. At which point, it becomes a lot easier to identify commonalities.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 04:02 AM
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You guys can't claim that female nature is inherently Macheviallian, immature, solipsistic and illogical and that male nature is more noble and perfect and then expect people not to see it as an attack on women as a whole. While I see the first part of women being stated a lot, I rarely see the second part about men being espoused if at all. Anybody trying to claim men are more noble in stature than women are indeed trying to claim superiority over women, but in general, that isn't the sentiment…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:59 AM
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Where exactly is the excuse to absolve any personal responsibility? I am not condoning cheating nor am I justifying it. I am simply explaining it. Whether you think it's wrong or right is beyond the scope of my argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/07/18 03:50 AM
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Every person applying for a job is confident they have great qualities to offer their potential employers - they simply just need to be hired and brought on board to display their potential. But like companies that are hiring, women can really only see what is being offered to them up front. Every guy is going to tell a woman that he is a good guy, caring, loving, funny, interesting, etc. She has no choice but to assume that every guy has these qualities, just as all companies assume that the pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:21 PM
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But then you're assuming that people are going into these experiences blindly without any prior experience. TRP enables men to learn from the experiences of other men, hence, to form strategies so to speak to address as many of the possible outcomes. We don't go in to every relationship expecting things to turn out poorly right off the bat. It's like the phrase, "Hope for the best, prepare for the worst" - we're preparing ourselves for more probable outcomes. If we should treat each relationship…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:13 PM
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Neither statement is mutually exclusive though - to say that all women have that potential is counter to pointing out more personal experiences. That statement doesn't tell people that their partners will absolutely show their negative qualities, it simply says that the potential is there, but it hasn't happened yet. It is in fact true to claim that those "NAWALT" partners are simply women who haven't acted upon their basest instincts. It is precautionary, it is not predatory. When you read it a…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 02:07 PM
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Yeah I see what you're saying and if that is how that was intended, then I would agree with you. But from what I read, I am of the opinion that OP was looking at those qualities as a reflection of a woman's character and not that of her desire.
/r/TheRedPill16/07/18 01:56 PM
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Most men who are married are not of the type to be branch-swinging. The majority of men who get married are of the average male variety - they'll usually take the best thing that they can get, whereas their wives are usually the ones settling down. These men typically have a committed mindset through thick and thin, but they can still stray. When such men stray, they're lusting as part of their instinctive drives. They may cheat with another woman physically, but psychologically/emotionally, the…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:53 PM
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TRP speaks to odds and potentials. While things may be said as generalizations, we generally understand that you don't take things verbatim. If we were to qualify all men by saying, "All men have the potential to be assholes". we wouldn't be wrong. Not every man is going to be an asshole, but every man has the potential to be. Hence, it's important to be cautious. "All women have the potential to be cheating whores." The same logic applies here. If you take it literally, you're most likely going…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:34 PM
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Why do you assume that the RP dude only wants to fuck a bunch of a people? What if (and this may blow your mind)... he's looking to fuck a bunch of people AND find a long term partner? A lot of RPers would actually be satisfied to be in a relationship with a single woman... so long as she's got all the right qualities. But a lot of RP men actually come from a state of being burned by one or more women in their prior relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:26 PM
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Clearly it's okay to slut shame as long as you don't identify yourself as a Redpiller. Also, you're expected to say "women who sleep around a lot" versus "dirty whore".
/r/PurplePillDebate16/07/18 01:24 PM
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If that were true, we'd seek out the safest choice - a woman whose loyalty and love would be the highest, hence, the least attractive females possible. We instinctively know this is not true. We don't seek out loyal partners. We want loyal partners, but if we're speaking purely in biological terms, we want the fittest mate. The fittest mate for men are the attractive females. Big breasts, big asses, wide hips, desirable faces, slender, etc. Of course we want high quality mates, but it's not an i…
/r/TheRedPill16/07/18 01:11 PM
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I believe you more or less understand my point.
/r/TheRedPill16/07/18 05:27 AM
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A woman's love, respect and loyalty is one of the most valuable things in this world. It's something that all men seek. You've got one thing right - many men, if not all of them, seek this. However, a woman's love, respect and/or loyalty are the least valuable things in this world. Just like a good high of emotions, it is all fleeting. One second you've got an abundance of it, and the next it is completely gone. The most valuable thing a man can have is the ability to control as many aspects of …
/r/TheRedPill15/07/18 09:23 PM
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If you spent an hour to practice "solid" game, you're doing it wrong. Everybody is a goddamn potential to get in your way. It doesn't matter so long as none of these people are in your face and/or physically stopping you from doing what you want to do. You should not give a damn about any of these people because all that matters is you and what you want to do. I speak highly as if I'm blowing hot air, but it's a mental state that you must set up for yourself. Call it irrational confidence. It do…
/r/askTRP15/07/18 03:04 AM
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Asian women are the best for you if you're white and you haven't committed to them. Once you've committed to them, you become the same as every other man. You're only special in as much as she is willing to chase after your status as a non-Asian man. Remember that. If you drink the kool-aid, don't be surprised when you find out it's spiked. Many Asian women are status diggers and if they're chasing after you, it's because they are low class and can't sustain any sort of status without you. All w…
/r/TheRedPill14/07/18 05:10 PM
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While what you're saying makes sense, what exactly in Henry Cavill's statement is stupid, insane or misogynistic? It's a legitimate concern as there has been evidence of women flipping out at men for the slightest encounters. Sensible people would say, "no thanks" or "no I'm not interested" and then life goes on. Sensible people don't go on to Twitter and post tirades against such minute encounters. Little allegations have such huge and dire consequences. Henry Cavill's speaks from a perspective…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:41 PM
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Why do you assume that these women are of the crackhouse variety? The women most vocal about rape and sexual assault tend to hail from college campuses and/or from women's organizations after graduating with their women's studies degrees. I wish it was satire but it's true. Sensible people would say, "no I don't want to do that" and then the guy stops and it's done.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/07/18 12:30 PM
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Even if he wasn't mate guarding, the relationship was already done. As soon as she suggested going clubbing, it was over. Mate guarding is really only significant when you aren't in a relationship with someone, and this is especially why relationships tend to fall apart more easily than FWBs - you become more invested even when you try not to be. If that story is even true, he did the right thing by leaving. It seems like a nuclear option, but you really can't go lightly in a relationship. If yo…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/18 02:32 PM
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And you could probably find the one woman who has had hundreds if not thousands of partners, who is absolutely perfect in almost every way, who loves you deeply, is loyal, is attentive to your needs, etc. But it's not realistic. Even if it is possible, it's highly improbable. TRP statements on such matters are often generalizations, but they speak to likelihoods and probabilities. Hence, it wouldn't be in a man's best interest to pursue a long term relationship with a woman who has had many part…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 08:00 PM
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Except that you're already drawing conclusions about a person's past to derive your assumptions. Such men could just be desperate and would prefer their shitty situation than be single. We don't need to come up with excuses to deny personal accountability - people can make decisions for themselves unless they are physically being restrained.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/06/18 07:47 PM
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This is a sensible response but completely denies the tendencies of highly sexual women. At some point when women and men get older, their libidos decline as a natural part of the process. But for women up until their late 30s, would willingly throw themselves at a "hot" guy. It's not that such women don't have any self respect, it's that they know what such men desire and give it to them freely and willingly. Maybe some people have never met such women or know about how they really are, but I'v…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/06/18 03:29 PM
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You're not entirely wrong about the tendencies of both men and women. I can't elaborate on the female experience observing men, because I'm not a woman, but with regards to men and their experiences... most men simply don't understand women. They try to approach everything rationally from a logical perspective, and that's why nothing makes sense to them. Like why some women will go back to a guy who treats them like shit constantly when they have "better" choices. Most guys will think this woman…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 07:45 AM
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But that's the thing - men are more likely to want sex at a given time than women, but I would have to argue based on my own observations that women love sex to a similar degree as men. They are simply a lot more selective about who they would desire to have sex with. An average guy is willing to have sex with women who range from 6-9 on a 10 point attractiveness scale. That's a wide pool of possible women. The average woman will only have sex with a man who is arguably 8 or better. This value f…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/06/18 07:27 AM
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And yet even men who believe they have themselves figured out and their finances in check fail at marriage. The majority of men who desire to be married are the same men who would like to live out the remainder of their days in a relationship with a loving woman and a family to take care of and nurture. The majority of these men will fail in their marriages not because they weren't good fathers or husbands, but because they don't understand modern day women. They most likely grew up with two par…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 03:22 PM
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^ This is the best explanation I've seen thus far of the whole choreplay scenario. The basis of choreplay is a man who is desperate for sex and is willing to trade favors for it, and a woman who doesn't want to have sex with said man and will use all excuses possible to avoid it (without being blunt about it). A husband hears that his wife doesn't want to have sex because she's tired from overworking... so he takes it literally and does what he can to reduce her burden of labor. But she doesn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/06/18 03:10 PM
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She just handed me her handbag without even making eye contact, pretty much just like assuming that I'm going to hold it All of this feels like fucking disrespect to me at the moment, but then again I'm not sure if I've earned enough respect. I think if I had a stronger opinion about these things, I wouldn't even have had to write this post. You answered your own question but you want constructive criticism. What
/r/askTRP17/05/18 08:04 AM
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It's waiting for the next guy who's going to be like, "Sweet, there's only been one other guy here."
/r/askTRP17/05/18 07:56 AM
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Yes but you need to differentiate between women fishing for attention and women who are clearly attracted.
/r/askTRP08/05/18 06:57 PM
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As an East Asian guy, we suffer from being stigmatized as effeminate and not masculine. People say that it is because Asian men are seen as authoritarian and/or oppressive, but it doesn't. It has everything to do with status and Asian men do not have status in Western cultures. The solution is for East Asian men to become significantly more masculine than their peers. The problem for many Asian men is that they believe they can fight alongside "oppressed" minorities and women to get "equality". …
/r/askTRP08/05/18 06:56 PM
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TRP can't help you here. You have your own mindset in place. Do what you feel like doing and then come back here when it doesn't work out.
/r/askTRP08/05/18 06:51 PM
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There's a pretty strong reason for all of this but that doesn't matter. Unless someone else comes to you with an accusation, you don't need to concern yourself with it. If other people confront you about it that aren't involved, just brush it off. As for Kelly... it's simply the way you handle girls. Don't justify yourself to her, just continue to do what you're doing if no other girls are complaining. I would phase her out. You'll find that she'll reach out more to you when you do so. Why? She'…
/r/askTRP08/05/18 06:49 PM
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I see, I misread that part. Women always love to receive and give apologies because they are low effort. When she gets one from you, she feels like she is getting leverage over you (but she really isn't because apologies are pointless). It's a good thing you didn't apologize though because she would've stepped all over you. And in my opinion, her starting arguments to end the relationship is very common, usually happening on the decline. I wouldn't get back in with this one.
/r/askTRP30/04/18 12:31 AM
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You're bargaining with yourself, that if she performs to your expectations you think it'll be good again. It won't. I don't know what she did, but if you felt strongly enough to feel like you were disrespected, she's no longer worthy of being in a relationship. Cut this one out and move on to the next.
/r/askTRP30/04/18 12:23 AM
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A lot of men encounter this situation but most never get anything out of it. The handful of men that do are either fortunate betas or guys that don't overthink such situations/have no expectations. For the latter group, if sex happens great, if not oh well. That should be your mindset. If you're going to game these girls, you should be constantly flirting with them as if it is second nature. Like you do it just because it's who you are. If you have to try and think about gaming a girl who is alr…
/r/askTRP28/04/18 08:12 AM
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High school is primarily about status and looks. Being better looking in high school generally elevates you to a higher status by default. If you have to ask yourself this question you're either (1) physically unattractive or (2) not masculine. Hell, you could be both. There are girls at all levels in high school that you can get with. But of course, you want the pretty ones. All the pretty girls will be absorbed into a relatively high social circle. They'll probably all be pretentious as hell a…
/r/askTRP28/04/18 08:07 AM
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If you can't masturbate and still have a desire to hit up women at the same time, then you should masturbate less. It is a quick way to get your mind off sex, but if that stops you from pursuing women altogether, it is unhealthy. TRP is not needed if a man can live with just masturbation.
/r/askTRP28/04/18 08:01 AM
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You got that message because she knew. If she was truly upset, she'd ignore you and block you out, not reach out to you. If you deny it, she'll start trying to control you more. She knows she has you, but if you deny it to keep on her good side, she'll lose respect for you. You've already hit up the other girl. No point in denying it. If you admit it, the worst that can happen is that they both stop talking to you. If you think being straightforward with it is too bold, then try to make it up to…
/r/askTRP28/04/18 07:58 AM
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Radio silence won't work because you haven't done it before? The worst that can happen is that you break up. That doesn't sound bad at all, especially since you're only 8 months in and you're already having to put up with shitty behavior. The more you tolerate bad behaviors, the more you get of it. Ignore here and flirt with other women. If she doesn't want your attention, someone else will get it.
/r/askTRP28/04/18 07:52 AM
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It's not about fairness. It's about the fact that men are expendable. This simply isn't a fact that is explicitly stated. Women will continue to receive the same rights and that is something that men will have to deal with. For MRAs out there, they will try to fight for fairness, but no one will side with them. Men are simply not expected to bitch and moan, so when they do, they are seen as weak, no matter how "unfair" it seems. On a side note: the system is changing, guys will either adapt or t…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 03:24 PM
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Correct. Chad has no reason to get married, except maybe if he's seeking out a partner who's going to be paying for his expenses. If a guy is marrying a girl because he believes she is the one, or that he believes she can be something more, then he isn't Chad. Such a man can adopt Chad-like qualities but he will never be Chad. Not being Chad is not a bad thing, that character is simply the an idealization of what men strive to be while maintaining some of their other qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 03:20 PM
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You assume that women can't be social without going out to party with her friends. There are indeed women out there that don't take their girls outings to bars or clubs. They don't need to drink. They don't need to have a lot of casual sex. There are women who indeed choose to do all of this, and they are rightfully labeled so. Baseless paranoid fantasy indeed.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 03:17 PM
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If I have a military regimen and I set the bar fairly high so that I exclude anyone who might be detrimental to a unit, then all the women who pass said bar may qualify. The whole idea that the US military decided to lower the fitness requirements of new recruits for more women to pass is highly detrimental. The women who made the cuts of the previous requirement qualified to join, but for every one of those women, you'd probably have a significant amount more men who were equally qualified if n…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 06:24 AM
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Chad can be a father, but he can't be a husband. The concept of 'Chad' is similar to a 'unicorn' except that Chad is very rare, not imaginary like the unicorn. You don't see Chad often, because most men will eventually want to get married at some point. The few that never do are Chad. Chad fucks around, doesn't commit to any woman, and is focused primarily on his own selfish needs. TRP brings up Chad a lot, but the idea is not to become Chad; becoming Chad is impossible for most men. The goal is…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 06:18 AM
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Yup. It's exaggerated but it's pretty damn funny.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 06:01 AM
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When I think of marriage and why some people are stuck in rut, I find that it is often their own psyche that drives their desire to stay in the relationship. They don't know if there is anything better but they'd rather try to make it work out rather than abandon ship at the first sign of trouble. It's not wholly unreasonable. But as you said, there are often red flags. It is my opinion that when people are fueled by their emotions whether a strong sense of attraction or a strong feeling of desp…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 06:00 AM
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Bingo.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 05:53 AM
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Nor does it “entail” you to ALL the experience of most women. Yet again, not a single statement I made indicated that I was referring to all women. Gee, how did I know you were going to say that. I must be psychic. The simplest counter claim is, "I am a party a girl and I do not fit that description." Such a statement would seek to shut my argument down on the basis of, hey, I provided a single experience and therefore my experience trumps your observations. I'd be open to debating the points of…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/04/18 05:52 AM
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You may consider it normal, but you are either probably unaware of what generally goes on when girls do their "girl's night out" or are naive. Especially girls who are in relationships. Maybe you're of an older generation or maybe it isn't applicable to you. In which case, you wouldn't be aware of what goes on. Not one of those statements was gender specific. So either you made the mistake of assuming I was a man and were trying to bro-timidate me with your secret and intimate knowledge of what …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 03:38 PM
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"If she's a 9 hot and a 1 crazy, she's a dude. Congratulations you're dating a tranny."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 03:02 PM
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The people who say "be yourself" are the same people that believe that when someone has a bad partner, they just ran into a bad seed. And if that same individual were to have a constant string of "bad" partners, they are just unlucky. It always seems to be out of this individuals control. "Just keep trying! You'll find the one." I find that the same advice is often given by women who use makeup regularly. They are unaware of the fact that makeup is intended to conceal flaws and that they are sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 03:01 PM
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Exactly. I have never been married and never been divorced, but I know many men who have gone through the process. My old self would have judged these men as assholes, but they were all more or less good husbands/fathers. They weren't attractive though. They were good men, good men turned sour because of a relationship gone wrong. They become monsters because of the whole process and then they are stigmatized as bad people because of their transgressions. But it's so easy to blame these men for …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 02:58 PM
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You may consider it normal, but you are either probably unaware of what generally goes on when girls do their "girl's night out" or are naive. Especially girls who are in relationships. Maybe you're of an older generation or maybe it isn't applicable to you. In which case, you wouldn't be aware of what goes on. I can tell you this, it ain't pretty. Most guys aren't in the know of what happens during these outings that are meant for girls just to go out and have fun. I know, because I've witnesse…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 02:55 PM
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This "party girl" wouldn't even need to have alcohol and drug abuse problems, or be constantly exposed to STDs, etc. A 'party girl' is any woman who spends a lot of her free time socializing at events where alcohol and/or drugs may be involved. If she is sleeping around with a lot of partners, especially while she is under the influence, she would fall under this category. She need not be a coke addict or an alcoholic. She simply enjoys the lifestyle and binges on indulgence. When I claim that y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 07:41 AM
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Unlike men, women don't base self-worth on their ability to attract men, especially among other women. If they can't get the men they desire, they logically wouldn't base their self-worth on their ability to attract men. It wouldn't make sense for those women to emphasize their weaker qualities. The days where being a spinster is gone, they're career women now. Even many women who pursue careers want men they are attracted to. Their careers enable them to be independent and free from relying on …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 07:34 AM
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Minors can’t consent. And if the women aren’t allowed to be educated do they have other options? Depends on how you define a minor. The age of consent in various states in the US range from 16-18, all of which are later teenage years. You'd be consider a minor at 16 in one state, and able to consent in another. Being sold off to the highest bidder could have some very high pros or very low cons. Once again, you are picking a very narrowly defined scenario. You generalized by talking about teen b…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 07:27 AM
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He’s good on paper because he’s a family oriented man, who is caring and devoted, and has a well-paying career. He fulfills a woman’s need for a provider but he doesn’t fulfill a woman’s need for an attractive man (think looks, status, wealth). He’s good on paper because that is what society tells women they should be realistically looking for in a husband. What they want is likely a hot guy, who’s famous and has a lot of money. Many would probably be happy with a just a physically attractive pa…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/04/18 12:50 AM
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She is doing this. Working her way from least preferable to most. Even if the path from least preferable to most is being pumped-and-dumped by attractive men, eventually ending the game by settling with a somewhat attractive beta. This is what RPW seeks to avoid and why they are so obsessed with building and increasing feminine beauty. It gives them a better chance winning the commitment of the attractive man with the ability to provide. I can't speak for all women, but my experiences with many …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:40 PM
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You're also assuming that Teen Brides get raped and that they all didn't want to become married at a young age. Suppose your family was living in poverty and one of the ways to get out of poverty was to marry a man who the resources available to take care of you. If you don't want to consider all scenarios, I suggest you limit your scope very narrowly and put more specific homeless man/teen bride scenarios otherwise you're cherrypicking the outcomes that favor your internal biases.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:31 PM
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Except that you're living on ideals rather than reality. It's easy for most men to avoid these women when they know them and have witnessed their tendencies. If a guy knows a party girl first hand, he knows that he can probably avoid her. However, for other men who do NOT know her, when they do finally get to know her, she'll probably have changed stripes. I don't know if you have experienced it first hand, but a lot of these women that do "change", only change in as much as it will get them a m…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:26 PM
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The foundation of their argument is similar to claiming that apples and oranges are both fruits and that they can be compared, when really, we know that they are very much different even though they are both classified as fruits.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:18 PM
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Many women from an early age will have plenty of suitors, suitors whom only can offer the role of a provider to them. Knowing this, she becomes inundated with an obvious choice: she can pick at any given time a guy who is willing to take her out and treat her well. Guess what? She's not going to pick any of them. Not yet at least. There will be a point in her life where she might choose one of them, hence, when she "settles down". Picking a guy who can take her of her would become a necessity at…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/04/18 03:14 PM
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There are some men desperate enough to constantly give themselves even if only for the chance to be with someone. Likewise, their are some women who are desperate enough to constantly give up sex with a guy, if it means that she can stick around with that guy and not all the other average 'losers' out there. But most people aren't desperate enough to be happy living like that. There's never a really good enough compromise, although most men will live with what they've got because their opportuni…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:56 AM
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Most younger generation women grow up knowing that their are endless opportunities that lie ahead of them. This is a good thing, but also a bad thing. With these endless opportunities they will pursue the best available things to them, for instance, men. The most attractive men will get endless from these women, but they'll give nothing in return, because they have no desire to commit. Most of these women who can't get these guys to commit will keep trying again and again and again... until they…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/04/18 12:53 AM
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She's gotta be able to appreciate who she is with. Take the good with the bad. If she's in a relationship with a guy and he's treating her well, she shouldn't want more. If she can't restrain herself, her relationship is bound to fail.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/04/18 05:40 AM
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Before I found TRP, I started off with seduction. It was helping a bit but not getting me where I needed to be. Before all of it I was improving in my physique and I was feeling like I could take on anything. But I could never outright attract women. I would interest them at first glance always and I could keep them as friends, but I could never move past that point. I had lots of dates and they all fizzled. After that, I started dipping into seduction, and then into TRP. It definitely improved …
/r/PurplePillDebate05/04/18 03:41 PM
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The majority of men do. It's generally the first motivator for many men. Once they've settled in, it becomes more about getting stronger and feeling better. I would know. I started off that way. I'm not gonna lie to myself, I would have never started going to the gym if I wasn't trying to become more attractive. Some guys do go to the gym to become stronger, but most guys will have started from a need to become better looking.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 03:51 PM
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TRP strategies are generally not applicable to dating. They can lead to dating, but the end goal isn't to become a more suitable dating partner. It's first and foremost intended to build attraction. Whether a person can or cannot keep a person interested past the first date is not the concern of TRP. But dating breaks down into two categories... dating for sex or dating for a relationship. They can be independent of one another or intertwined depending on how the cards are played. Most men will …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 03:49 PM
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"Just be you" is such a cop out phrase. It speaks nothing to the experiences of people. Why do men go to the gym? Why do women put on make up? None of those aspects have anything to do with who people are. But it enhances ones appearance. You can and you will be who you are. Your values, your desires, your beliefs, your motivations... they will always define you. But what makes people tick aren't those core values; what makes people tick is the product that you're selling. You're not just sellin…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 01:30 AM
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People make observations about others and pass judgments on them. If that is to be criticized, then so be it. It can't be helped if there's a common trend amongst women who do certain things to the detriment of men. That isn't to say all women behave in such a way, but if we always have to sugar coat it to shelter individual sensitivities, then it really defeats the purpose. It can't be denied that some subscribers to TRP downright hate women. I would classify many as men who are disappointed in…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/04/18 01:14 AM
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You seek to dismiss TRP by claiming that it is based on nothing more than one's own personal diatribe. People may make comments of a generalizing nature and may sound condescending, but it's a given that sometimes their own personal angst is fueled by their experiences. Men being burned by women have feelings of anger. It is a natural expression of one's own state, very much in the same way that women generalize all men to be "assholes" after they have come out of a bad experience. But if you si…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/04/18 08:12 AM
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The problem with the TBP is that although they indicate that they are a sub dedicated to satirizing TRP, they have a genuinely strong expression of disgust. It goes beyond mockery and ridicule. The designation of "satire" is used simply as a blanket term to avoid logical discourse about the given subjects. TRP is to help men who likely need it the most. They've been burned their entire lives and they don't know why. They tend to blame themselves, blame others, etc. but they simply can't grasp ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/04/18 07:51 PM
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Don't take their comments seriously. It's probably easier said than done, but you're overthinking other people's reactions in the group. Unless you're like a big time player in the group whom all the other guys despise, they most likely don't care. If you can tease her back or be playful with her, it'll be a lot easier to deal with. If you're attracted to this girl... that's another story. If you're not, it should be easy. If you can't handle it, you'd best eject yourself from the situation.
/r/askTRP26/02/18 04:21 PM
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Even through your tougher physique she can still pick you apart. You're letting her get to you. You should not only be able to laugh it off but you should also be able to send some of it back to her. She's treating you like a bro, so treat her like one. You'll lose the respect of others when you let it get to you, or when you feel like lashing out at her.
/r/askTRP25/02/18 11:42 AM
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You're suggesting he go to sleep... with her in his bed not doing anything. I'm saying he should get her out or he should go out and do something else. Two entirely different things
/r/askTRP25/02/18 11:35 AM
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This is askTRP, not relationships. He played it perfectly fine at the start but he should've called it a night when she stopped him the second time. She's pulling him into plausible deniability territory which borders on a false rape accusation.
/r/askTRP24/02/18 06:07 PM
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You think it's douchery because it seems like a façade. But you're forgetting that it is an attraction builder. If you're not capable of selling a lie and maintaining it, it's because you're not capable of being that person (or you're letting your personal values dictate things). Makeup is a façade. Women however employ it successfully, and most guys would say, "ugh I don't like girls with makeup, I like natural girls." For a lot of these women, you definitely wouldn't like them without makeup, …
/r/seduction08/02/18 03:36 PM
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If a guy was only ever able to have his one partner, I'm quite certain he would elevate her to girlfriend status on the basis of a lack of abundance. Imagine a guy who has two plates; the second one of his plates falls off, does that make his remaining girl a girlfriend? If a guy is looking for another plate but only has one, does that make his current partner a girlfriend? No. We are doing mental gymnastics about the little nuances of this whole wording, but the only thing we need to understand…
/r/TheRedPill31/01/18 04:49 AM
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It doesn't make sense if you've already got a depiction in your mind of how it should be versus how it really is. A career doesn't necessarily entail all jobs that are laborious and intensive. A career is simply a job path where there are opportunities for growth. That growth need not be substantial, nor does it necessarily have to pay a lot. To further elaborate on 1, most career women in high paying jobs are looking for men with equally high paying jobs (or better). Think doctors, lawyers, etc…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 04:39 PM
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Having only one option available doesn't preclude one to being monogamous. If a man is spinning one plate, he is still spinning plates; he simply only has one plate to spin. And in fact, a man can have a girlfriend and still be spinning plates. The difference is not how many partners a man currently has, it is how he views each of those partners. If he is having NSA sex and he doesn't care what the girl does as long as she's coming back to have sex with him periodically, she is a plate. Doesn't …
/r/TheRedPill30/01/18 04:23 PM
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Your strategy is effective, if you can handle going without the interactions. Most guys cannot. They simply don't get many options, and therefore, that stress is the only means of getting something. Only a handful of guys get to really experience the abundance of options, most guys don't get much or get something that leaves a lot to be desired.
/r/TheRedPill30/01/18 04:17 PM
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I agree with most of your message but I'd have to argue that most men do care. Most men are the ones starved of an abundance of sex. The majority of men aren't players; they're mostly losers. They don't have much going for them, and they don't understand SMV. That lack of opportunity creates a void wherein Marriage 1.0 would have benefited them greatly. For guys like you and me? The abundance of sex and opportunities has afforded us the lackadaisical attitude that we have. We don't care because …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 03:59 PM
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If you read beyond the literal phrases, you'll see that the intent of that statement was financial responsibility. Otherwise they are fools and don't know how the legal system works (that only possessions accrued during the duration of the marriage are considered for division).
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 03:54 PM
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Because she chose a career path that makes it (1) possible to maintain a semblance of a relationship and (2) she'd likely only marry a man if he was making more than her. I don't know many women who settle for average looking men who make as much or less than they do.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 03:52 PM
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What is there to understand? Whatever possessions a couple shared during their time of marriage is divided by the court. That's the legal perspective of things. The fundamental perspective is the focus on how much more significantly a man has made as compared to his wife. That nominal value represents a significant difference in a relationship where husbands make more than their wives. We can argue legality all day, but there would be no point because it is all relatively absolute.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 03:14 PM
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Exactly. The majority of RP men are leftover remnants who would've been happy with loving tradcon women, but were burned by the system. Most of these men aren't wannabe-players or hedonistic individuals; they're men who have simply been scorned by a system that no longer recognizes their merits (hard-working, loyal, committed, etc.) and are now adapting to their unfavorable environment.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 01:53 PM
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Splitting everything 50/50 doesn't translate to splitting all your possessions 50/50. It is intended to say, splitting the burden of financial responsibilities, ie. bills to pay. OP in this case is presuming that men in these scenarios make more than their wives.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/01/18 01:45 PM
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Semantics, but my point still stands. When you get into the act of calling out bad behavior, you become the police. You can't correct bad behavior by constantly policing their actions... unless you intend to leash them up and lock them in a cage.
/r/askTRP28/01/18 08:05 PM
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That is what most guys will instinctively do, and that is the number one way to break frame. When dealing with women, you have to communicate to them in a language they understand: implications. When you go radio silent on a girl, it communicates to her that there is a problem. Most women will try to come back and put their best foot forward to fix whatever problem they think they've caused, and they know there is a problem. When you point out a mistake to most women, they will respond by merely…
/r/askTRP22/01/18 03:34 PM
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Escalate. Build attraction. Then when the moment is right, pull away or disqualify yourself or her. The push and pull is an attraction building technique; you show interest in a woman, and then take it away. It works because it makes you interesting and mysterious. You make her question herself. You make her think about YOU. Most women prefer a challenge over a pushover, and they will have a near endless supply of guys approaching them and showing nonstop interest. You make yourself stand out be…
/r/askTRP11/01/18 01:58 PM
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You're not ready to give advice. I know your heart is in the right place, but you don't have the fundamentals down. If OP is telling the truth, his girlfriend is trying to assert dominance over him. The second a guy apologizes for his actions, she will eat him up for it. Women in general will find whatever flaw a man has to exploit, so that she can gain leverage over him. Our job as men is to ensure that we recognize no such transaction; women can try to dominate us, but we can leave at a moment…
/r/askTRP11/01/18 01:48 PM
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Don't seek out sex from her, or do but show a lot of disinterest. When you stop, she will try to initiate sex herself. Sex is a form of validation and control. You take away the sex, she feels a void of validation and a loss of control. She will seek to get it back or she'll leave. Both options are good for you if you're with someone who is scaling back what they used to give you.
/r/askTRP15/12/17 05:04 AM
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It depends on the nature of the relationship. If this girl is a short term proposition, he shouldn't care. If he's thinking this girl is long term, that's a behavior he needs to weed out fast. Too many guys will say it doesn't matter, but it comes back to bite them in the ass when they try to take their relationships further with a partner who behaves like this. It only doesn't matter when there's no long term prospect for a girl.
/r/askTRP13/12/17 01:51 AM
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You're overthinking the situation. There's nothing you can do to get rid of that anxiety other than to face it head on. It may be awkward when you go, but you'll either crash and burn, or you'll have a good time. Either way, you're going to go or you're not going to go. There is simply no preparation or exercise that will get you ready; you simply have to treat this scenario as any situation you've already experienced, except with loud music, drinks, and more people.
/r/askTRP12/12/17 07:48 PM
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Every guy here is thinking too logically, that she just so happened to not enjoy it anymore because something changed. There a few girls that actually enjoy swallowing, most do it because their partners wanted them to. She no longer enjoys pleasing you to that extent. If you want her to swallow again, you have two choices: ask her or stop seeking sex from her altogether. I can guarantee you that if you ask her, she might do it again once or twice, but it's guaranteed that she will stop. She gets…
/r/askTRP12/12/17 07:39 PM
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You claim that it's much more complicated than women initiating divorce being the ones responsible, yet earlier you stated that breadwinning women were likely to divorce their partners because they were insecure. The insecurity label is so abstract that it relies on ones misconception of the phrase, that an insecure individual must be the one constantly expressing doubts about themselves or their partners. I'll give you a solid counter example. When people cheat in relationships, they tend to pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/17 04:42 PM
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No I am not. Most men are honestly desperate enough to look past a girl's partner count, but I've seen countless women lie about how chaste and prude they are in spite of all that. My friends, relatives, acquaintances, etc., they all have expressly stated that they don't want to take any chances and hope that a guy will be comfortable with it. So they inherently know that it's simply not worth the risk, hence, you will never know about it no matter how comfortable you tell them. I would posit th…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/11/17 03:18 AM
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My experiences have told me otherwise. I have seen many women pre-emptively lie to their partners even when asked about their N-counts. On top of that, these same women do everything within their power to present a better image of themselves, ie. delete their old partying photos. When asked about Tinder, I've seen women lie about ever using it and asking me not to mention it. My experiences are tied mostly to women in the range of 21-35, so our experiences will differ if you are dealing with sig…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 07:47 PM
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Yes but that is from the perspective of the outsider. If the guy seducing the woman was friends with her husband even before the fact, his only responsibility would be breaking the trust he shared with his friend. In such a scenario, he is only to blame for going behind his friend's back. The problem is that the counterargument that, "men seducing women are responsible for breaking the marriage apart", is used to relieve responsibility from women in the marriage. Such an argument can be used for…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 06:13 PM
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Except that even in this increasingly sex positive society, many women will continue to conceal or downplay how many partners they have had. No matter how much a guy can tolerate the sexual capacity of a woman, he'll inherently have a problem being with a woman who has had more partners than a woman who hasn't had many. It isn't about insecurity, it's a reflection of a value judgment: if you have two women who are characteristically the same, why should I pick the woman who has had more partners…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/11/17 06:05 PM
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Because it makes women sick to their stomach to think that men have to learn these skills. They simply want their men to be naturals. It's the exact same reason why they don't cultivate men - they don't want men to learn it or have to train for it, they simply want gifted men. Most RP guys are very easy to spot - they pick up RP philosophy, but they are so eager to "share" it with the rest of the world. The few that know how to apply it, do so with discretion and subtlety.
/r/askTRP15/11/17 07:14 AM
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You went text for text, that's what the fuck just happened. You were too concerned about the outcome and what's worse, you tried to start off with playful banter. No.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/17 03:23 AM
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Ignoring how this post starts... The more women you can have sex with, the less you have to worry about the cycle.
/r/TheRedPill15/11/17 03:21 AM
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The problem is that you keep thinking you're able to control the situation - you can't, not directly at least. If you can't handle scarcity mentality and you think showering her with gifts or sweet gestures will help you, you don't need TRP. You're going to go down the wrong path if you have that mentality. You need to face the facts: she will be probably be done with you soon if you keep at it. Ghost her. She's not long term material, but you can improve your chances of banging her again if you…
/r/askTRP30/10/17 01:01 AM
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Yes, which is why I am stating it qualitatively as opposed to quantitatively. I am very much aware of the Pareto principle.
/r/TheRedPill25/10/17 01:23 AM
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I get your point but I am not speaking from a RP perspective, I am speaking from a woman's perspective when they let betas become their boyfriends (aka. walking ATMs)
/r/TheRedPill24/10/17 06:26 PM
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It's not your fault for falling prey to someone else's predatory behavior, because people can't be expected to be emotionally strong all the time. A woman may fall prey to negging once, or twice, but after enough times she SHOULD be able to recognize when it is being used on her, and should she not be accepting of it, she could easily brush it off. ... the problem is that the OTHER person is a Red Pill psychopath. That's an oddly specific description, unless you intend to claim that all Red Pill…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 04:39 AM
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I'm not going to challenge your perception of negging being predatory but I think at this point we can agree that negging in itself does not directly trick women into sleeping with men. Your biased perception of Red Pillers is why you have the views that you do. I don't blame you, but your arguments are driven by emotions. While most of RP emphasizes tactics which may be otherwise seemingly underhanded, for the given audience (men who are not outright attractive), it is effective. To what end me…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 04:31 AM
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How exactly does negging in itself trick women into sleeping with a man? A man trying to trick women into sleeping with him may use negging as a tactic, but negging itself doesn't lure women into bed.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 04:18 AM
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What if someone robbed you at gunpoint. Would it be your fault for not having a gun of your own? Come on. Not even remotely the same. My life is threatened with a gun. Women do not necessarily need to respond to negging - their lives are not at a stake. To fall prey to negging is not even remotely on the same level as having absolutely no choice at your disposal. And concerning negging, negging works on emotionally vulnerable women. The sole purpose of negging is to cajole emotionally vulnerable…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 04:16 AM
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Also, negging in itself can't be used to trick women into sleeping with a man. Tricking a woman into sleeping with a guy is something along the lines of taking a woman back to his place to watch movies. Negging in itself is deceptive not because it tricks women into sleeping with men, but because it makes a woman believe that a man is worth more than he really is.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 04:07 AM
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The effect is negative, but the intent is not necessarily negative. If you can demonstrate that ALL cases of negging are done with negative intent, then I will concede my argument. But if you're correlating negative intent with negative perception, your argument is lost. Simply because negging is a form of insult, does not make the intent negative; only the effect is negative, and even then, it is all perception. The example you provided of the false compliment is a great example of negative int…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 04:02 AM
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You're changing the goal posts to suit your argument. The problem is that makeup is deception. The intent is conceal flaws or to accentuate features that did not stand out before. We wear clothes because we are expected to cover ourselves. If a woman wears clothing that is very revealing, then she is trying to appear more attractive, but she's not changing any of her characteristics. In fact, if anything, she's trying to show them off. Makeup is a disguise. No matter how you choose to define it,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 03:51 AM
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I find that guys have a 1-10 system because on good days, a guy will be picking at say 8s or higher and on bad days, he'll be diving below a 5. Generally speaking, women will either have sex with you, let you be their boyfriend, keep you around for attention, or have nothing to do with you. Only one of these outcomes is really desirable.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/17 03:41 AM
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If you re-read what I wrote, the quotations around that sentence refer to what women generally say when they've found a partner after having slept around a lot. If women who've had unrestrained sexual choices end up happy, then all the more power to them. But the thing is... they don't. That is all supported by the high divorce rate and the disproportionate rate at which women initiate divorce proceedings. Sure, you could blame a lot of the guys in these failed marriages as being 'bad partners',…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 03:38 AM
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If that's how you want to screen your potential partners, that's your call, but realistically speaking... you're going to be hard-pressed to find a marriage partner nowadays that hasn't had sex. I personally advise against marriage, but there will still be many men who want to take a dive into the deep end and hope they can up with something special.
/r/TheRedPill24/10/17 03:32 AM
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Your example fails because negging does not necessarily lead to rape. A rapist may use negging as a tactic to win women over, but not all people who use negging are rapists. Likewise a serial killer could use makeup to make herself stand out more to lure victims back to her place... but that doesn't mean that her makeup is an accessory to the crime. A gentleman could do everything proper and treat a woman properly, and ultimately take a woman somewhere to rape her. So your point is invalid. I'm …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 03:30 AM
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For me to agree with you, you have to provide evidence, whether anecdotal or evidential, that society expects women to wear makeup. Makeup is prevalent. There are women who do get shamed for not wearing makeup. But that doesn't mean it's a societal expectation. A societal expectation is something like, "People are expected to go to school and then go to work." You're trying to downplay the gravity of makeup by saying that it is ingrained in society and that negging is not. I get where you're com…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 01:40 AM
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If a woman can be told what she has to do in life and what her goals should be, she's likely going to be satisfied meeting her objectives. But if family or religious influences can't impose their will or influence her life, she's not going to be happy. Compare that to women who have all the options in the world. They'll meet, date and likely sleep with a lot of different men in the world, which means that they know what qualities they are looking for, from the guys they perceived as the best of …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/10/17 01:34 AM
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No lie, public speaking courses and/or events are great for improving ones capacity to speak in front of people. You're not the only one who is or was ever afraid of being in social situations with strangers. You'll have to immerse yourself in it fully and embrace it. When you do, you'll see that there really isn't much to be afraid of/anxious about.
/r/askTRP23/10/17 09:38 PM
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That's more organization really than I'd expect. But in any case, that is honestly more commendable than most women. It may seem downright insulting to us, but if you think about it, it makes sense when you consider that they have a large pool of candidates to choose from. The majority of women I know (ages ranging from 18-30) are primarily focused on swiping right on Tinder, looking for free meals, etc. They don't have a care in the world about their future; they just know that life is good and…
/r/TheRedPill23/10/17 07:28 PM
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Here's the setup for Tinder for guys: Set up multiple outings with many different girls. Assume that the majority of these girls will flake. Whichever potentials don't flake are your highest chances of more opportunities. Also, if you're looking for a potential girlfriend on Tinder, don't. If you think you've found the unicorn, you most likely didn't. Not on Tinder.
/r/askTRP23/10/17 07:20 PM
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Your self esteem is from a lack of positive validation. People focused on your stutter in your formative years and now you're focused on that. It happens to a lot of guys, no matter how fit and attractive they are. The solution is to not avoid it; put yourself in the environment that you're most wary about - social settings. You have to put yourself out there and deal with it. If you run away from it, you'll never get over it. There may be other more detailed ways of going about it, but you eith…
/r/askTRP23/10/17 07:17 PM
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Great question. To better answer this question, we have to come to a consensus on what 'stable' means. For me, stability indicates family aspirations, career aspirations, good financial health (ie. low or non-existent debt), etc. Could such guys have a psychological issues? Yes. The likelihood of such guys being psychotic? Low. We see in the news jealous boyfriends/husbands killing or hurting their partners when things go wrong... but that only accounts for times where something DOES happen. So …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 06:43 PM
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You have an endless supply of guys who are willing to please a woman at all costs. But most women can have that at any time of day. The guy who is mysterious and emotionally detached? He's one in a million, or at least rare enough that he stands out. While most of these women can have a solid choice in terms of a partner... they don't want those guys. They want what those guys provide... from a different guy. You can't change an average woman's tendencies. Many women will pursue these attractive…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 02:48 PM
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Makeup is expected by society's norms. This means men are expecting women to wear makeup, therefore there isn't any kind of malicious deception involved. Therein lies the problem. You're approaching the notion of women putting on makeup as if it was an expectation place upon women by men. Here is the problem with that sentiment. Women many decades prior were expected to stay home, take care of the household, be proper, be feminine, attend to their husbands, etc. They were expected to be diligent…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 02:35 PM
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Picking on a person's weakness? How heinous... or is it? Makeup preys on a man's weakness for beauty. It's deceptive, much in the way that negging is, but ultimately, it's 'Buyer Beware'. No one is forcing men to like makeup, much in the way that no one is forcing women to fall for negging. Makeup and negging are interchangeable; the only reason why you or anyone would have a problem with negging is that it is an active influence rather than a passive one. Furthermore, you're biased in painting …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 07:14 AM
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Negging is dependent on the individual receiving the negging. It doesn't work on all women, but given that it has a decent success rate, it's worth mentioning. If we expected people to be logical and collected, women would be repulsed by negging, but clearly that isn't the case. It works, much in the same way that makeup does with men. Simply because makeup is a passive influence does not make it any worse or better than negging; they are just methods of building attraction. The problem is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 06:34 AM
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You were originally talking about abuse in this chain. Let's work with your current argument then: What kind of manipulation are we talking about here with regards to the Red Pill? Makeup is manipulation, and regardless of whether or not it is better or worse, the idea is to sell deception. Selling deception is akin to what Pickup Artists try to sell. From what I know of core Red Pill philosophy, it's about improving one's physique, embracing masculinity, etc... so that a man doesn't need to sel…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 05:59 AM
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You're making more of a statement than a real point of contention. You're equating expectations of makeup to psychopathic manipulation... but you don't provide a strong link. It isn't manipulation. Women aren't putting on makeup because men are telling them to; they are doing it voluntarily. Hence, there is no abuse. If you're going to highlight individual cases of men FORCING their partners to put on makeup, then yes, you're right. But those are outliers, not norms.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:32 AM
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Depends on your ability to delay instant gratification. If you feel a constant need to reward yourself, no amount of motivation will get you going. People that can change their current situation around are the ones that loathe being in the situation they are in and will do whatever it takes to improve it. Many people are miserable, but give them enough video games, masturbation, food, drugs, TV show binging, etc. and they will be placated. A person has to absolutely hate the situation they are i…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:28 AM
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Religious women have their expectations set upon them. Whether they are truly happy is subjective. But if they can abide by their expectations and fulfill them, they'd very probably be happier than their more promiscuous liberal counterparts.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:23 AM
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Most men will prefer women who wear makeup over women who don't. Women are not being forced to wear makeup, they choose to do it because it gives them a competitive edge. Societal expectation does not equal enforcement. Women have a choice to wear make up, and if they don't and get called out for it, it means nothing.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/10/17 04:15 AM
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Even if she was truly making you work for it, do you think she would make a guy she's madly attracted to work for it? No, she wouldn't. She would give it to him any which way he pleases. I'm also hitting the gym hard and going out with friends more, which has made her noticeably jealous. Don't stop. In fact, you should be visibly bored with her. Because frankly, you are probably tired of her antics. You want some wild, passionate sex with the person you're in a relationship with. She's tired? Fi…
/r/askTRP21/09/17 05:58 AM
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We don't need to tell you what you already know. You're just going to have to accept it. You realize what problems you have (insecurity, doormat-ness, jealousy, etc.). Work on those. As for your ex, you're going to be down in the dumps for quite some time. Then you're going to get upset at her (hopefully), and then you'll push yourself to improve, and then you'll be ready. If not now, eventually. It's cliche, but time heals all wounds. You just need to know what you can do the next time around.
/r/askTRP18/09/17 07:14 AM
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I always was supportive of my friends in their endeavors. I only considered that being a good, supportive friend was what really mattered in friendship (along with the usual shared interests, etc.) but I realized over time that you've got to offer more than just support. This doesn't mean that you have to give your friends things to keep them happy, although that could possibly work I suppose. What this really means is that you have to become somebody of value; your presence has to add something…
/r/askTRP18/09/17 07:09 AM
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You've got performance anxiety. You don't think you're going to be good enough. There's no comforting advice on how to deal with this; you're either going to get over it, or you're going to get more practice. If you're insecure about how big your dick is though... either find techniques on increasing length (ie. jelqing) or consider surgery to improve girth. You've got a mental roadblock. You've got to immerse yourself in those moments and accept that you may or may not be good in the sack. What…
/r/askTRP18/09/17 07:00 AM
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Nothing in that statement implies rape. You didn't fuck doesn't mean that he should have raped her - he shouldn't rape her in general. It's an implication of "you didn't escalate further with her?" That's the reason why he says, "Welcome to her frame." Instead of escalating it, he stopped dead in his tracks. He fell into her frame. That's exactly why he mentioned LMR/ASD. He is fully aware that if she puts up resistance, he has to pull back (hence, where he says, "Withdraw a little") and then re…
/r/askTRP18/09/17 06:52 AM
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Not one thing in his statement implied rape.
/r/askTRP17/09/17 11:46 PM
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It's not about his ability to talk about anything - a lot guys, even chumps, have that ability. The key is that he has the ability to keep people interested. That comes from confidence. It's easy to see why good looking people have confidence though - they get constant attention and validation. That's why many women get an inflated sense of self-worth - because they are constantly getting validation. If he's beating you in the looks category, it's inevitable that he will get more looks and oppor…
/r/askTRP17/09/17 11:40 PM
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While my sample of known abused partners is not representative of the entire population, what I have observed is that the women I knew currently in abusive relationships would make excuses for their partner, ie. 'He's just misunderstood', 'He doesn't really mean it', 'He just doesn't know how to express himself'. They were all fully aware that they were being abused, either verbally and/or physically. These are all women with many prior relationships though, and many of whom would have no issue …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 07:07 PM
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That definitely explains the first impression, but how does that explain the experience thereafter? If your point is to be exemplified, it would indicate that the guy's first impression is first and foremost the biggest indicator of long term companionship.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:21 PM
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Many decades prior. The guys who are doing the whole Netflix and chill thing with you as you described are the guys who have adapted to modern day "dating". They get it. Furthermore, you're likely already attracted to these guys who you're just chilling with. It makes easier for them to get closer to you (and given that they are adapted, they can already sense your attraction towards them). For many of these guys who are nice (not 'nice' guys, but guys who are genuinely polite and proper), they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/09/17 05:12 PM
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It's not all about height, but it serves as one counter example to demonstrate that humor in itself is not enough to make someone sexually desirable. In the same paragraph, you list all the traits of a masculine individual which I agree with. Those traits definitely help, but in most cases, the men who rely on humor are typically not masculine. We have to be careful about what we mean by humorous guys though. If you're talking about masculine men who use humor to demonstrate sociability, I would…
/r/PurplePillDebate16/09/17 06:03 PM
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Exactly. They often attribute their success to their actions because they want to believe they are doing something correct, rather than being successful because of a characteristic they possess.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 08:27 PM
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I get it if RP isn't for you, but I don't see why you'd have such hostility against it. You claim that people have character flaws yet when it comes to TRP, yet you insinuate that only bad can come from it. If no man ever found success with RP, the philosophy itself would have died out without much steam. Yet we know that not to be true. While some subscribers may pervert the nature of it, it is far and wide a tool box that one may use at their leisure.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 08:25 PM
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You're throwing out a bunch of traits that are irrelevant. If the guy isn't socially adjusted, you'd be right. If the guy isn't willing to bend over backwards for a woman, maybe to a lesser extent. If he's not willing to lower his standards, then yes. Will he have sex with a lot of women? Hell no. But can he get into a "romantic" relationship. Yes. It's just a matter of where he draws the line.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:58 AM
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Attraction could simply be a matter of circumstance. I would agree with you that attractiveness is a greater factor if a woman is closer to her youth than when her biological clock is ticking. I've witnessed firsthand women taking the best that they could get when they were eager to settle down, men that most women would not consider attractive, but men whom are the best available. TRP in general ruins a man's chances for long term "happiness" because it makes him more self aware of his own meas…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:54 AM
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Having a better "personality" is not a substitute for masculinity. If a guy is 5'2" tall, he will probably be well-received if he is talented and humorous. But he'd be perceived as the guy whose qualities would be desired in a guy they like, not the guy they actually like. The notorious "I'd like to meet a guy like you. Not you, but a guy like you" notion comes to mind. You are absolutely correct about your last sentence though: people like humorous guys. They're more enjoyable to have around. D…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:42 AM
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Middle school girls become full-fledged women in adulthood. I've seen grown women idolize such men with pure fantasy. You take any other average joe and apply the same qualities and it simply doesn't have the same effect; the status that these singers have completely overrides the "feminineness" of the aforementioned qualities.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:30 AM
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And I would agree with you that appearances need to be maintained. Long term relationships indeed aren't usually a looks match, but long term relationships aren't an indicator of attraction. A man simply needs to be accommodating to his partner and be the best available choice for her to maintain a long term relationship. He need not be masculine or particularly attractive. He simply needs to be accommodating. A man could maintain a relationship indefinitely or for an extended period of time wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:26 AM
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Looks are a huge indicator of success. Your appearance (i.e. No deformities) and your height factor greatly into your opportunities. The only plausible explanation as to why a man/woman would not pursue the most attractive of individuals is often because the competition is greater and they don't think they'll stand a chance (which is likely true if they aren't famous and/or wealthy). Wealth is more often desired by women than by men. I would posit this margin to be wide. Even if a man were to at…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:18 AM
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The thing about RP is that the subscribers are often men (or boys) who have largely missed out on their young adulthood or are largely involuntarily celibate. Sure you can just say, "why the fuck does all this matter? You should just be good people!" But that misses the point completely. These men (my former self included) were not taught how to interact with women to a mutual benefit, nor did they figure it out on their own. The whole looks thing is beaten down on people, especially on RP subsc…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 10:07 AM
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Having well-maintained brows. If a man looks handsome, he could get away with more feminine qualities. If he has a very soft and feminine appearance, they wouldn't be well-received. Male K-pop stars often have a lot of feminine qualities added to their appearance (make-up, hair done, etc.) but they are attractive to girls and women because they are famous and typically fit.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 09:54 AM
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Forget alpha and beta for matters of discussion: they are archetypes. The more prevalent comparison is a guy who is successful with women (romantically and/or sexually harassed versus a guy who isn't. RP philosophy is largely focused on men who are often not successful in getting what they want from women (sex, relationships, etc.). Everything you are mentioning as for what men should do is largely centered around aspects that would improve an unsuccessful man's opportunities. He often needs to …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/09/17 09:50 AM
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I would agree with your statement if we were talking about plates. While I personally don't believe that men should entertain idea of LTRs or marriages, if a man is going to go down that road, he should protect himself at all costs. If he's going into a relationship with an abundant mindset and a "it's just my turn" mindset, he'd be better off keeping these women as plates and nothing more. But clearly that's not going to work for these types of guys. They don't go into these kinds of arrangemen…
/r/TheRedPill31/07/17 12:41 AM
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It's a probability game. While you may have had a positive outcome in your scenario, it is most likely not going to be that way. The best thing to do is split the bill because it puts both parties on a level playing field. It also takes money out of the equation by making it neutral. A good way to weed out gold diggers is to propose that dates be split evenly. A gold digger is going to flake or try something sinister to get a free meal.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/17 07:35 AM
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It's good that you're playful about the situation, but when a girl throws out the "who else is coming?" line, it's a strong indicator that it's not going to go anywhere. If you want a shot at the girl knowing all this, you're going to have to make it clear that it's just going to be you and her (without being all serious about it).
/r/askTRP13/07/17 01:48 AM
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Right off the bat, she's a low quality partner. If she's doing this openly, you've got to make her realize she's fucked up... but not by telling her directly. Emotionally detach from her (distance, disinterest, etc.). Spend time with other girls. Hit up and text other girls whenever you're around with her. But don't do any of this to get even with her... you should be doing all of this because you value your time and you're not going to get treated as a second rate citizen. She should know bette…
/r/askTRP13/07/17 01:44 AM
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I've had this situation play out with many friends and acquaintances. Girl is in a relationship when things may or may not be going sour. She goes out (say on a girl's night out) and ends up kissing another guy and/or having sex with him. Most guys would expect their girlfriends to be honest and/or to break-up before things go bad. What they don't understand is that girls are human, and humans have a strong tendency to be selfish. The difference is that girls are more likely to have their selfis…
/r/TheRedPill20/06/17 06:53 PM
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Agreed. I would expect that response from most men. It's more of an emotional response than a logical response. We've all been conditioned to take people at their word without thinking that there may be underlying motives.
/r/TheRedPill20/06/17 06:42 PM
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Best positions I've had: the girls are in 69 and you're doing one of them from the back and the other girl is licking your shaft/balls. Other positions: One girl is riding you, and you're eating the other girl out as she hovers over your face. They may or may not be playing with each other. Doggystyle with a girl as she is eating another girl out. Variations of eating a girl out while that girl plays with the other. There are a lot of variations, you just have to ensure that both are covered. Th…
/r/askTRP20/06/17 03:29 PM
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The first instinct for many women in active rape situations (ie. getting assaulted violently and sexually in public, etc.) is to seek medical and/or official help (police). When a woman voluntarily enters into a situation where she does not expect to be sexually assaulted (ie. invited to hang out with a friend or acquaintance), she is generally conflicted but may alert authorities if she feels like she has been violated. This is neither of those situations. This woman voluntarily entered into a …
/r/TheRedPill20/06/17 03:24 PM
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The key for a successful threesome is to ensure that your plates are into each other. If the only reason why they're doing it is for you, it's most likely going to fail. If you can get them to compete with each other, it'll help you build sexual tension. But otherwise, if they won't do anything with the other plate, the best you'll get is one opportunity at a threesome, and it'll just be you taking turns having sex with each of them.
/r/askTRP20/06/17 03:16 PM
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Because it's a cop out. The whole thing is set up to give her plausible deniability in the event that anything should happen. When it comes to gathering information, she would have been able to find better information without having to resort to such measures. She wants to be in the situation for other reasons. She's not going to spell it out, but it's definitely not as sophisticated as snooping.
/r/askTRP17/06/17 02:13 AM
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If she wanted information from OP about her fiance, she wouldn't do it over drinks.
/r/askTRP16/06/17 02:53 AM
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You're trying the logical approach to handling her. She's a creature of emotions. If you can't influence her emotionally, you sure as hell aren't going to succeed in reasoning with her. Don't text her, don't give her that time of day. If she isn't telling you what you want to hear, it's not even worth bothering to reply to.
/r/askTRP01/06/17 08:00 AM
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If you're not willing to work on the other aspects of your life, I've heard that chemical castration has been shown to reduce one's libido. I'm not recommending it at all, though it sounds like you don't want to entertain any other suggestions.
/r/askTRP30/05/17 07:47 PM
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To get over women, you've got to become completely inundated with them. The more and more you try to avoid women, the more difficult it will be to resist the temptation. You're a man. For most men, it is natural to want to have sex with every woman that is attractive enough. Men who satisfy their quota for sex often find that they can go longer periods without having to chase it, but for men who try to avoid it altogether (because they want it badly but can't get it), they end up succeeding for …
/r/askTRP30/05/17 07:31 PM
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Most guys will either think you're full of shit or you're an asshole, but it's pretty common for guys with outcome independence. What most guys don't understand is that you're simply behaving like you would if a child was throwing a tantrum: you wouldn't put up with that shit. A guy shouldn't have to deal with a girl's tantrum; he chooses to do so at his own discretion. Most girls learn over time that throwing tantrums and hissy-fits will get them attention and/or whatever else they want. If a g…
/r/askTRP30/05/17 07:25 PM
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And in the event that a man's sperm is used to impregnate a woman without his consent? Let's suppose that a man does his due diligence and wraps up, discards the condom after use, etc. And yet she still ends up pregnant with his genetic material. What protects him then? How can he prove that he didn't voluntarily impregnate her? Let's say he has video evidence proving that he does everything right. Video evidence is inadmissible in many states. Then it becomes his word against hers, and she will…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/05/17 01:15 AM
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In theory it is simple. From a logical standpoint, it is simple. But it's quite clear that you haven't been in a contractual relationship (marriage). There have been countless men who are dominant over other men. They know how to talk to men, they know to persuade other men, they know how to lead other men. But at the end of the day, they go back to their wives treating them like princesses/queens... and then they all end up divorced. I wish it was a statistic, but in most companies I've ever be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/02/17 01:02 AM
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I don't advise guys to do anything more with their exes. It's not exception in this scenario but there is one thing to point out: it sounds like OP's ex knows that he wants to get some from her, hence, he's an easy target for validation. Skorch's advice is perfect because it puts the ball back into her court. If OP constantly chases after his ex, he won't get anywhere because it'll be too easy and convenient for her. OP has to make it HER idea to want to see him, not the other way around. As muc…
/r/askTRP03/02/17 04:22 AM
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Most younger women don't want the young men around their age because those men often have not developed enough in terms of stature, status, etc. So while many of those guys may be viable options, it isn't what those young women are looking for. That's why you generally see younger women with older men (not older as in significantly older, but older in a general sense). Add in the fact that casual sex is commonplace, what you end up seeing is most women not even dating at all and simply having co…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:51 AM
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If she turns down sex with her boyfriend and having erotic thoughts I think she needs to really reevaluate if she's attracted to him at all. In an ideal world, I wish that would happen but it is naive for me to expect it so. In most cases of a deadbedroom (where a guy isn't getting the sex he wants), if she's still having thoughts about sex with other men, it's safe to say she isn't attracted to her husband. But this doesn't necessarily mean that she's going to leave him, whether she should or s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:45 AM
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No it's not. It's more likely that if an attractive man catcalled her, he'd no longer be attractive to her anymore. Tell me, when have you ever heard of a woman saying that she ever wants to be catcalled? I can't imagine it's said often, but even when it isn't said, a woman can still very much enjoy being catcalled, if she is attracted to the guy. When women are looking for a partner they don't generally want to be catcalled. The times when women want to be catcalled are super rare to the point …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:39 AM
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They're not mutually exclusive. Women CAN seek relationships with non-committal men and often do. Simply because a guy doesn't outright say he's not down for a relationship does not mean that he doesn't want a relationship; there are clear cut signs a guy isn't ready to commit even if he isn't saying it.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:37 AM
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Can't tell if sarcastic or not, but I will say that a woman can be physically desirable by many men up until her late 30s if she puts more work into her physique.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 05:36 AM
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Boyfriend material is highly irrelevant to the topic. Whether or not a guy has the qualities in him to be worthy of being a boyfriend does not matter, because many women will often seek relationships with non-committal men.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:38 AM
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You're assuming that older women would want younger men. You're trying to dismantle my argument by claiming that men can get into relationships, but it undermines a critical point: the average woman can get into a relationship much easier than men would be able to, with a person that fits into their dating criteria.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:36 AM
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It's not hard to understand, but a guy who is catcalling a girl on the streets likely has poor social cues. Generally speaking though, the nature of catcalling one of spontaneity. It's an unexpected outburst. So even if a woman were to "want" to be catcalled, if she tells a guy she wants to catcall her, if he does so, it is no longer catcalling. But honestly, you're missing the point. It's not about the catcalling, it's about WHO is doing the catcalling. In any given environment, even if she WAS…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:33 AM
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And while that is true, it misses the mark of that point: it isn't always women who turn down sex, but most of the time it is. Whether or not it is always happening is not important, but rather why it is happening is important. The biggest conflict that many people don't seem to understand or would rather not care to discuss, is how a woman can turn down sex with her boyfriend but still have erotic thoughts about another man? People usually never surmise that a woman likely does not want to have…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:29 AM
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I'm quite certain that it really depends on the audience of men who are catcalling her. I've seen many random guys holler at a girl in the right environment get a positive response. It's granted then that a guy randomly catcalling her from the street is going to be less than attractive, because generally speaking, attractive men don't waste their time catcalling women on the streets. The whole creep label really underlies the main problem with the notion: it isn't about what is being done, but r…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:23 AM
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If a woman wanted to get into a relationship, she could easily do so because there would easily be many suitors for her. If she was average, there would readily be a guy who is objectively more attractive than she was who would be willing to take up the mantle of boyfriend. The confusion here is that you think that for every 1 guy there is 1 girl. But that is simply not true. The dating pool for a woman is significantly in contrast to the dating pool for men. For women, they can have men anywher…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:18 AM
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If they truly believed that they had any risk of being assaulted by men, they wouldn't be associating with them. Most women know which men are interested in them, but they feign ignorance in the hopes of maintaining "friendship". If they know these men are indeed interested in them, if they were truly afraid, they would distance themselves from them. But really, that fear only arises when a guy has taken any action. They worried about unwanted attention and harassment ONLY when it is actively ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:08 AM
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It is unfortunately the nature of the beast. Only the men who strive to be the best will make their way to the top. Unfortunately, even the best of those men succumb to beta tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/02/17 02:01 AM
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Yes, she has absolutely zero sexual desire to her, but that doesn't mean that she doesn't have a use for him. That attention for her can be anything from comfort to validation, to even security. If a lot of guys had that comfort, validation and/or security, even if they weren't getting sex, it would definitely be more reassuring than having absolutely nothing at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 11:46 PM
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You assume that all men want in life is sex. All men definitely desire sex, but once that urge is fulfilled, the men who want more will strive for more. Instead of sex though, you have a bunch of men inundating themselves with video games, pornography, etc. The quick fix. Because sex doesn't come easy, instead of working harder for it, many men find alternative sources of pleasure.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 11:43 PM
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There are always exceptions, but the exceptions are not the rule. Nothing helps the men who are affected by branch swinging, if it is never brought up. If we only ever say, "Oh, you just encountered a bad apple." How many bad apples must a man encounter before someone points out that there is a strong trend? This isn't to say that is how ALL women will be, but it's an understanding for men to realize what all women are capable of. He can further reduce his risk by selecting his partners more car…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 11:40 PM
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We do have different perspectives. That's why the hyperboles don't make sense. Which is perfectly fine. That's something that if we discussed, we could further expand on what is intended by the statement. But if all we ever do is adhere to people's sensitivities, no attempt at understanding would ever be made. It is merely speech and the intent is what should be derived, not how it affects people's feelings. Like the women being attention whores debate. Many TRPers argue as if instagram whores, …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 11:21 PM
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It's really hard for two factions to debate when only one faction has a somewhat definitive set of beliefs, whereas the other's existence is to demonize everything about the faction they oppose. There are people on the fence, but for the most part, it's very roundabout. One side is addressing the issues, and the other side is claiming that such issues hinder with personal feelings. Example about deadbedrooms: RP: "When men encounter deadbedrooms, to alleviate their situation, they need to distan…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 09:13 PM
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While each individual experience is different due to a number of factors (environment, childhood, events, etc.), the general male experiences and female experiences can collectively be understood and averaged. There are differences even the subset of male experiences (and female experiences), but that can all be accounted for by factors such as physical attractiveness, race, etc. For instance, a short Asian man is going to have a much different experience than a tall White man in the United Stat…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 09:06 PM
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Most guys will have been indoctrinated by their fathers, and if not that, by their mothers. Most fathers are beta to begin with. They became married by means of being a good provider. And we're assuming those men are related to their sons (which is reducing in frequency over time). So they've got beta fathers showing them how to get women the beta way. Most "players" that have children, don't often stay with their children or their baby momma's. Hence, very little of that is passed on.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 08:58 PM
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The reason why men mateguard is because they see their partner being theirs not in the sense of a possession, but in the sense of a "contract" so to speak. The problem is that most men who are mateguarding are doing so because they see the relationship as an obligation and not something to enhance their life. They will have trouble not mateguarding if they don't realize that their relationship is fragile. Hence, most of these guys are still naively under the belief that commitments are sacred in…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 08:54 PM
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The thing to understand about RP is that the message often applies hyperbole. There's a bit of an exaggeration to everything, but it's not intended to change the overall content of the point; the intent is to indicate the message's significance. When members of TRP generalize to all women, they are saying that all women have the potential to do something or be something. Or say the 80/20 rule. It's not a direct statement to say that there are exactly 20% of men who get everything... the concept …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 08:47 PM
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When women are out looking for attention, they will usually receive it. Outliers are women who are simply so repulsive that they turn off most men, but even then, there are many less than desirable women that are still getting attention when they want it. If you take 24/7 literally, you're going to miss the point: women will almost get the attention they want when they are looking for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate27/01/17 07:26 PM
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Going off on a tangent, but equal opportunities? In the majority of the western world, women are indeed afforded the same opportunities. It doesn't necessarily correlate to the same results, but that is to be expected. Furthermore, you're only addressing the social double standards that affect women, without considering that there are double standards that affect men. But none of that is important, because these double standards are all just opinions anyway. There's no reason just to change it b…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/01/17 02:20 AM
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I know that's a rhetorical question, but yeah I definitely do. During my BP years, I thought only bad women were bad, and good women were good. So I always associate different stereotypes with "bad" women and with "good" women. It was until my formative college years that I realized, no matter how outwardly bad the "bad" women were, even the ones who seemed to be good, were doing equally bad or worse things. I've bedded a few married women, and several more women with boyfriends. I confirmed man…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:24 PM
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Most of the guys who come to TRP, go there seeking wisdom and enlightenment on how to get more out of their interactions with women. They are likely not blessed with as many opportunities as model-type men, hence, when a beautiful woman comes along, he's hardwired to try to lock her down. In his mind, he's going to think, "Damn, I'm a real winner here." He's going to think that he's in control of the situation, because hey, he's obviously doing something right to get these women, right? He falls…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:20 PM
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I would posit that it is very difficult to differentiate between a male feminist and a "NiceGuyTM" until he reveals his true intentions. People wish to believe in altruism, but it doesn't exist. Male feminists are doing it for one reason or another, and their intentions (if not for the sake of changing the way society views male-female in their favor) often reflect some form of personal benefit.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:16 PM
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You assume that college-aged women are all single and simply having casual sex in their encounters. I can guarantee you that most of these women have "boyfriends" and a large portion of those women are having sex with other guys. Out of the dateable population of women (excluding social outcasts, lesbians, etc.), many are in "relationships". Having been through the college experience, I know this first hand. There was rarely ever a girl who was single, and if she was, she was only out of a relat…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:13 PM
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So all women, or most women are responsible for abortion? Because quite frankly, that is an untrue statement. There are many women who do get abortions, but the majority of women do not. The problem with your statement is that you are trying to relate the issue to the group as a WHOLE, when it is really only a portion of it. And to keep on topic with your original claim, women cannot be the primary victims of war, because they are not directly affected by it (most deaths in wars are men, not wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:07 PM
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Women are hardwired to find the best possible candidate. But even when she gets one that she feels is great, there will always be someone better. If she thinks she can do better, she won't push for commitment from a guy. If she thinks that that guy is the best she can get, she will push for some level of commitment. Most men, especially those getting casual sex often are not likely looking for commitment (why buy the cow if the milk is free?).
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 09:03 PM
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Indeed. Such women feel like they have to become the top hen in the pecking order to be recognized the most. They assert their authority in a dictatorial manner, rather than with diplomacy, because that is all they've ever really known.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 08:59 PM
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The only thing that changes as people get older is discretion. The drama and naivete is still there, it is simply disguised so as to appear proper.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 07:44 PM
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They want to be in whatever field pays the most. They don't care about the responsibilities that go with the positions, they simply know that they want to get paid. When they do get the responsibilities, they'll complain about it and claim that they are being oppressed. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to fit in the scheme of, "I want to make a lot of money, and I don't want to have to do much or anything for it."
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 07:39 PM
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It's not bullshit, but it's bullshit to say that women are responsible for abortion, much in the same token that it's bullshit to claim that men are responsible for war. Some women get abortions and some men create war. Men are the PRIMARY victims of war, because they are directly involved. It's completely asinine to think of it any other way, because you're trying to reason out why women CAN be victims of war, but you're doing so in a very roundabout way. If we consider that it is women losing …
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 07:35 PM
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As much as many of them profess to be RP, many of them will still fall into that trap. They still want marriage and to be in a relationship, and the prettier a girl is, the more forgiving they will be in spite of her obvious character flaws.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 06:53 PM
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There is no such implication in my argument whatsoever. With regards to feminism, these male supporters do so because it fits in with their schema. They hate the men who do "bad" things that women complain about. They want to demonstrate that they are different, and not like those men. They believe in being proper and respectful, and if they are indeed straight, they are more likely to support these women than to determine for themselves if there is a real problem (blind faith). In some, way, sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/01/17 06:51 PM
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The problem with many men is that they place such a high value on success, that rejection becomes such a big burden. They would rather not face the possibility of rejection, because they are fully aware that that possibility is high. Instead of considering the reward, they are only considering the punishment (rejection). They are not outcome independent. At the same time, these are probably men who are not likely to put much effort into making themselves more attractive, so they have no one else…
/r/TheRedPill25/01/17 12:55 AM
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So that he can look proper and respectful to women. He believes in the tenets of feminism because that's what he is being inundated with. He thinks women are unhappy because this movement is growing and raising awareness to women's problems, and he believes that if he is on their side, he can win them over. If that isn't his goal, he's probably gay. And that isn't just hyperbole, if he's a straight guy, he probably at the very least wants to be in a committed relationship with a woman if not hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 11:38 PM
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I don't think feminist men are claiming that they are "one of the girls" but rather they are trying to protect their own image. They've been so indoctrinated from a young age that being proper and respectful is of the utmost importance. So when the girls/women around him (the ones he is attracted to) tell him what they dislike in men, he does his best to make sure that he is nothing like those guys. And of course, everything he's hearing is about things a woman hates about players, douchebags, a…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 11:33 PM
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That's hilarious, thanks.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 11:13 PM
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These men will supplicate to a woman's whims to no end. They'll be the perfect "gentleman", tolerating all the negativity and abuses just to keep a woman "happy". She can cheat on him, and he'll just write it off as an accident, blaming all the other men for her actions. They side with feminists because they believe that if the world was shaped the way feminists see it, they'd have more opportunities available to them. They don't realize that feminists want strong, masculine men. On top of that,…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 09:38 PM
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As much as I would hope that men are smarter than that, I know that many of them in TRP would still consider marrying a woman with a sordid sexual history if she was attractive enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/01/17 09:31 PM
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Pre-RP I was following advice on r/seduction. It was a much different sub back then, today it's primarily about patting each other on the back, and taking horribly awkward to only slightly less awkward. Back then, seduction was geared towards attraction, and tactics that would be considered heinous by nice guys (ie. negging, freezing out, etc.). It helped me build a lot more attraction with women because before that... Before I got into seduction, I was doing the traditional, "hey, let's talk to…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/01/17 11:48 PM
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Not to mention, this is Reddit of all places. I don't believe the majority of its users are afforded an opportunity to select based on appearance. On top of that, the question asks women how often they DATE guys based purely on their looks. It's a stupid question because dating is often for reasons other than looks.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/01/17 06:11 PM
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If you have nothing to gain or lose with the women you are opening up to, then I can somewhat agree with your point. With men, I believe that opening up is a way of strengthening a connection (to some extent), so long as you aren't pouring your heart out. While I can't say your approach is wrong, I would argue that your approach isn't recommended for everyone. Some men would end up just pouring out all of their emotions rather than using it as a stepping stone to greater things.
/r/TheRedPill05/01/17 04:57 PM
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I agree, and while I've observed that there is no real tendency for women to leave their cheating partners, I've found that it's more of a hassle to be caught than anything. When my partners know that I want to have sex with other women AND that I want them to participate with me, it polarizes them and it firmly establishes them in the (1) 'I'll go along with it' camp or the (2) 'no, I'm not down with it' camp. An added bonus is that other girls that may not be firmly into me, are often well per…
/r/TheRedPill05/01/17 12:52 AM
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No kidding. No matter how much a guy thinks he can be confident about displaying his emotions and/or weaknesses, she will rip him apart for showing any bit of fragility. Most guys make the mistake of thinking that girls will listen to a guy's problems because they do it for their girlfriends, but the reality is that they are not attracted to it. If a guy tells a girl anything about his problems, he should not expect her to be attracted to him.
/r/TheRedPill04/01/17 07:54 PM
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I've found what works for me is just being straight up direct and honest with my partners. I tell them something along the lines of, "I'm in a relationship with you, but I want to bang other women, and I want you to participate with me." It's had a surprisingly high success rate, but I suspect that it's primarily because I say it with such poise and confidence, that she can't really find a good reason to find fault with it. On top of that, it allows her to buy into the idea that she agreed to it…
/r/TheRedPill04/01/17 07:40 PM
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I've seen the same shit from middle school through college. The same cliques, the same dynamics, the same general bullshit. The only difference is that as we get older, all of the issues become covert rather than overt. There are suddenly more subtleties and nuances to deal with. But people are still taking advantage of one another, people are still manipulating others, and people are still being downright assholes/bitches. People continually maintain their negative characteristics so long as th…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 05:21 PM
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Shaming and/or penalizing men for being unattractive isn't truly a problem. It is the shaming of men for being sexual creatures that men's right people complain about. Being unattractive is one thing and it's unfortunate, much in the way being short or being ugly is of a similar token. The problem is primarily rooted in how men approach 'love' or rather, courtship. Any kind of initiative and/or aggression from men is taken to be offensive, rather than a course of nature. What people don't unders…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/01/17 05:16 PM
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Is the reason ever, "I found a new man and I want to divorce my current husband so I can be with him"? The stated reasons may indeed be true, but that doesn't speak to the heart of the matter. I myself have never experienced divorce, but I have observed it in many couples. In most cases, I am privy only to the experiences of the husband, but it's quite unsurprising knowing what I know, when I hear what wives have to tell me. It usually boils down to, "my husband and I have been fighting a lot", …
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 03:32 AM
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It may have been stated by a subscriber of TRP, but it does not find its basis in the methodology.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 03:27 AM
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Because the problem is not systemic. The problem is very particular, and it is often inherent in segments of society that are Westernized. In short, it's not an institutionalized concept, but rather an ideology that is gaining greater momentum.
/r/PurplePillDebate31/12/16 03:26 AM
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That would be true if it applied to the majority of the spectrum of women. But if we take career-driven women for example, we still see that casual sex happens on the regular. I personally believe it has less to do with stability and more to do with how financially secure a woman is. In college, casual sex is frequent for some women (usually more so for more attractive women). Hookups and flings can occur here because there is no need for financial security (they are most likely either covered b…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 07:19 PM
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As far as sexual strategy goes, it is indeed irrelevant. Relationships aren't discussed in great detail, but when they are, it revolves primarily around the sexual aspect of it rather than the relationship as a whole. From my personal observations of men in TRP and their stories, the failure of most of these men is not that they don't have meaningful marriages, but rather that they don't get enough or any sex (hence, deadbedroom). Let's say we do make it relevant though. If we are concerning our…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 07:08 PM
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I know you're dissecting what you want from my argument to dismiss it, but you're ignoring the part that states that men aren't simply being rejected with a 'no'.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:53 PM
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...but the idea that high double digit or even triple digit n counts means nothing for men is skeptical. For the most part, you won't really know personal opinions on this matter in TRP because it isn't brought up. I personally believe that having such a high N-count does affect men to some extent, but given that it is mostly men propositioning women for relationships, I'm inclined to believe that it affects them less. It would definitely indicate though that they are likely more prone to promis…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:52 PM
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If you have been on a college campus, you would have observed it. I'm going to guess that you're either moderately attractive, or you're having sex with women who aren't objectively attractive. This isn't to knock you or put you down, but it greatly plays into one's perspectives. A lot of guys I knew in college were average joes or worse (I've encountered some borderline autists and incels, but they were rare). In many different settings they'd be given shit frequently for even thinking about ap…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:45 PM
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If you have a low SMV and are not "marriage material" or even "boyfriend material" that is not society's problem or women's problem, that is YOUR FUCKING PROBLEM. Correct. That statement that you quoted is more of a cry from the Men's rights movement. If you can't get a woman to marry you, to have sex with you, to be your girlfriend, etc... the problem is on you as a guy, not on them. But the thing is, those men who make that cry are somewhat valid. Men are indeed shamed for their sexuality. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:31 PM
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Hope is what keeps you going. Even if you know the odds are stacked against you, you still want to be the one who gets the long shot. That's why people still play the lottery: the payoff is desirable despite the fact that the odds aren't in their favor.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:27 PM
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There's no guarantee that a less attractive woman will ensure stability. It simply minimizes the risk of being cheated on and/or divorced. But I don't think most men would want to get into an LTR with an unattractive woman. Personally, I advise men not to get married. LTRs, sure, but marriage, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:24 PM
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Correct. Personally, I don't think it's necessary for women to tell each other that having many partners will inhibit their ability to pair bond, since they do whatever is in their best interests. We tell men to be wary of women because if their intention is truly to have a relationship, it's upon them to handle it themselves. TRP doesn't tell me how they should navigate their relationships, mostly because the philosophy is there to advise, not to moralize.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:20 PM
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If by "getting with" you mean entering into and maintaining a relationship with, then yes, I wholeheartedly agree. If you mean sex, I would absolutely not advise to give up.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:06 PM
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The thing is, most men aren't hypergamous. They aren't looking to trade in their wives for a newer model. Most of these men want to fuck beautiful women because (1) they are drawn to beauty and (2) they are hard-wired to want to have sex. If the human species were like pandas, we'd have gone extinct along time ago. RP only talks about high N-count women because those are the women that are most dangerous to a stable relationship. RP doesn't discuss high N-count men because it focuses on "sexual …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 06:05 PM
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Except that a man has to sell himself before he can advertise his big cock. Those men can probably sext women, but they'll likely have gotten in big trouble for doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:59 PM
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The majority of men who divorce their wife, do so because their relationships have gone sour. Think constant bickering, lack of sex, etc. A lot of men I know live by the mantra, "happy wife, happy life". It's pathetic that they would endure so much, but they'd rather work it out for the sake of their children. I'm sure there are some cases of men divorcing women for material reasons, but we're talking rare exceptions where we would all almost objectively say, "Yeah, he married her so he could ta…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:57 PM
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And I see good looking dudes who are objectively very sweet and gentlemanly not getting the action they'd like to get from attractive women. The problem is that a lot of men who are average or worse have a difficult time because they don't realize that it doesn't take much to win a woman over: be more masculine and have a better body (it's not even necessary to have a pretty boy face either). But that's the thing, most men are not aware of what women want, even though they are constantly seeing …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:48 PM
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That is the thing... if most TRPers were models, they wouldn't need TRP. But then again, MOST men in their 20s do NOT look good. I'm not too far removed from the whole college experience. The majority of men were NOT attractive. The majority of women were interacting with only a handful of men. And yes, your last statement is somewhat true although a 30 year old doesn't have to necessarily spend money. He needs to use his career to demonstrate stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:37 PM
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Most TRPers are still entertaining the thought of a stable and beneficial relationship. Many of them would sacrifice having sex with other women just to have a chance at being with a beautiful woman who is very traditionally feminine. But I don't think fucking around a little bit in your youth and having a somewhat fair amount of sexual partners "ruins you for life". That may be true for the homely girl who blossoms into something more attractive later on. But that is rare. Most of the women tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:33 PM
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Most men have their options later on. In college and around the early 20s, only a minority of men are getting any sort of meaningful interactions from objectively attractive women. Men have more options later on when they have established themselves further.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:22 PM
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In simpler terms, you're expecting a woman who has had casual sex frequently for most of her young adulthood to go from doing what she enjoys (having sex with many different desirable partners) to being in a monogamous relationship. It just doesn't equate. Now, if you were to say it is good for a POLYAMOROUS relationship or a one-sided monogamous relationship (open on her end), then I would agree with you. But to broadly encompass ALL relationships as benefiting from the CC is an egregious mista…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:19 PM
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People don't stay the same because of circumstances. A woman's mindset is likely to change frequently from 18 to 28 given her availability of options. From 18 to 21, she's most likely to have hit her peak (and while there are exceptions, they are the exception not the rule) which means that she'll have the most options in terms of partners around this time. As she gets older, her options decline, and we see her "mature"... but really it just means that she can no longer be as rowdy and/or rambun…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 05:04 PM
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That kind of intertwining of truths is the problem that you guys really have with TRP. You can't separate the fact that we love having casual sex with women but do not want to ever be in a relationship with those women. In an ideal world, the women who enjoy casual sex, continue to have casual sex without seeking a relationship from men who want a stable relationship. Yes, I'm equating lots of casual sex to instability, but it makes a lot of sense that going from having casual sex frequently to …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 04:59 PM
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No one thinks they are hateful if they feel morally superior.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 08:00 AM
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I agree with you that people are taking TBP a little too literally and seriously, but it's quite ironic that it clinches the description by saying that "hateful people from hateful subs are not welcome here".
/r/PurplePillDebate30/12/16 07:36 AM
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Easy, high-quality women want equally high, or higher, quality men. The chances of such a woman finding such a man is slim to none, because she's likely going to have qualities that don't make her a desirable partner for those types of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 11:19 PM
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People have a tendency to forget that we are not a pair-bonding species. If not for societal stigmas against adultery, I'm quite certain that more women would be sleeping around even while they are married. And on that topic, marriage is a social construct. It's not natural in any sense. Putting all that together, it makes sense why women are more apt to divorce when push comes to shove. I know a lot of people would claim that women leave their husbands/partners for abuse/adultery/etc. but somet…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 10:51 PM
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As you noted, "biological necessity". You could have a woman pushing a very attractive man for more commitment, but chances are likely that he's not going to commit to her. Hence, it is relatively safe to assume that most men who are married, were married at a point where they were already certain that they would be with their wives. I don't doubt that there are men who were pushed into marriage before they were ready, but I have a strong disbelief that a lot of these men didn't want to be commi…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 10:36 PM
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Risk he takes. If someone's past is that important to you have the balls the ask about it. Many men do have the balls to ask about it and do ask. It is quite possible that women from earlier generations would not have a problem talking about it (because it wouldn't be significant), but I've known many women who openly admit to not telling their partners their true counts. I've had women lie to me on many occasions only to learn later through recounts of other friends what their true N-counts wer…
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 10:30 PM
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It's a reasonable assumption, given that men are often the ones who initiate such arrangements with women. It is very uncommon for a married man to have been proposed to by his wife. And in quite a numerous amount of cases, women are often marrying men when they feel a need to "settle down". So it's quite clear why men would hold - most of these men want to work it out.
/r/PurplePillDebate29/12/16 10:18 PM
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No way. Not sure if sarcastic or not. But is it important for women? Red pill claims it changes brain chemistry. Is that not important? I'm sure it changes some sort of chemistry, but men and women are different in this aspect. Men are hardwired to want to sleep with many women. I'm not going to open a can of worms and state definitively what women are hardwired to do or not to do, but I'm certain we can all agree that on the average, men think about sex and want it more frequently than women do…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:57 PM
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I agree, but even if people have been dating for quite sometime, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will get married down the line. Also, relationships have a strong tendency to change dramatically from when a couple is dating to when a couple is married. That is why we can only consider the point at which a couple becomes married and onwards. I would think it's safe to say that a couple is together for at least a year before marriage. This document seems to indicate that women, on average, f…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:50 PM
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The men who ride the "pussy carousel" are often able to do so because women find them sexually attractive. It would seem then that for women whose first priority isn't marriage, sexual attraction is an absolute necessity. Whether or not a man who rides the pussy carousel is affected by his philandering is relatively unimportant. Women are going to continue sleeping with him, and possibly even have him father her children (unwittingly or not). Personally, I believe that sleeping around has little…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 11:01 PM
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The thing that is worth mentioning is that most men who strive to become fathers, often do so because they want to have and raise children. We're talking fathers in the sense of the men who want to start families. Yes, pretty much all men want to spread their seed, but men who seek to become fathers, are the men who want to see the most out of their offspring. On the other hand, we see many women who only start to consider families because it was "time to settle down". Which is probably by and l…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:49 PM
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Most women get married and the average age is mid to late 20s so I don't know how you can say these aren't the majority of women getting married, which is what we were talking about (I thought). The late 20's is the period in which most women would be roughly hitting the wall, per TRP. Relatively speaking, most women who are "hitting the wall" would have likely been off the carousel for quite sometime (if they were previously riding it). Most women who aren't getting the commitment they want fro…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 10:41 PM
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But this is what is happening amongst people getting married, at least for the most part, as most people are at least pairing up fairly young and marrying still in their 20s. Sure, if you're considering only the population of people getting married and excluding people not marrying for the first time. But my argument isn't focused on those people, but rather the general population of women in their early 20s. Most are not getting hitched. Well sure, to some extent, getting over heartbreak isn't …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 09:55 PM
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I think that's widely overstated. Think about it: most men LTR and eventually get married, and most people marry in their early to mid 20s. You think all these people marrying at nearly their peak SMV, lots of times to men they've been in LTRs with for years are all settling? I think you're quite mistaking which men are getting married and which men are still playing the field. You see a LOT of men getting married, but the men getting married aren't the men playing the field. It is true that mos…
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 07:50 PM
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A lot of these people are too wrapped up in literal definitions without realizing that they are mutually exclusive aspects. They can co-exist without needing to be contradictory. Yes, women can and do often ride the carousel, and yes, women do have easy access to sex. So long as a woman isn't grotesque and/or obese, she could easily have sex with a man she is attracted to (it doesn't necessarily mean that he is one of the guys at the top of attraction ladder, it just means that it is one of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate27/12/16 06:08 PM
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There was a time when that was true, and that was when there was much more risk for a woman to become a divorcee. Now that there is almost zero risk, getting married is a terrible proposition for men.
/r/TheRedPill09/12/16 09:03 PM
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The only thing I ever see you really concerned about is preserving a woman's feelings. You deny her all possible responsibility: if the guy is an asshole, it's his fault... and absolutely no mention of her having a choice to leave. And if he's not getting what he wants out of relationship, apparently it doesn't matter that he can do something about it, he simply shouldn't do it because it's not "good". If these were asshole moves that guys make, you'd expect women to disregard this men and leave…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 05:41 PM
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Your problem is that you're trying to give every relationship the benefit of the doubt. Everything just happens to fall apart for different reasons. You're not understanding that a lot of these marriages fail for the same reasons: a lot of these men getting married are destined to be great fathers but not good lovers, and a lot of these women are settling down yet still hoping for more.
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 01:30 AM
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FFS. You're claiming that women create all the problems in marriages. Amazing. I did not make that claim. Nowhere did I state the men do not create problems. My focus is from a male perspective and what affects men. Such shitty advice. Really perfect example of why and how red pill poisons men and their relationships. And how else would you approach those challenges in a relationship? Listen to your partner? Go to counseling? Many people have tried, and the only people who win at the end of the …
/r/PurplePillDebate08/12/16 01:27 AM
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I'm more inclined to believe the weights are different. Whereas the rating on a man's scale for a 6 would be large, it would be equally large at the 5 on a woman's scale. Although I think it's insignificant at that point since a man would probably do a 5 if he was down on his luck, and a woman would probably refuse to do anything below a 7 (if she's already slept with an 8 or higher) unless under extreme circumstances (ie. a breakup).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:26 PM
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TRP doesn't worship Chad. Chad is simply a placeholder for those kinds of people. Nothing in RP says aspire to be Chad, but rather to be closer to Chad. Realistically, most of the subscribers of TRP will never be Chad or even remotely close. But if they want anything close to what Chad is getting, they have to work to get to that level. Simply accepting life as it is, is NOT the answer for the guy that places a high value on sex and/or having a relationship that fulfills his needs. RP philosophi…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:15 PM
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If the scales were the same, the ratings would be the same for both genders. It's not because men are rating women one way, and women are rating men another way.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 10:01 PM
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Yes. RPers are a combination of above average to high sex drives and a lack of understanding of female attraction. Guys with low libidos don't come to RP seeking advice.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 06:44 PM
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And that's primarily because men tend to rate women relatively rather than absolutely. The rating scale that women use for men is more reasonable in my opinion, since it puts more men closer to the average.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 06:28 PM
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Grudging duty sex twice a year is not "getting sex". One drunken ONS is not "getting sex". Sex 4 or 5 times a year from a wife who hates you is not "getting sex". Sex for the opposition is absolute. They refuse to see it any other way. Much in the way relationships are viewed: if a guy is in a relationship, he's doing fine with women. They don't see it any other way, and it's scary to think they would absolute ignore studies on extramarital affairs, divorces, etc. RP wouldn't exist if not for th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 06:22 PM
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That's an absolutely solid set of points. The problem with BPers is that they fail to see the trouble that most relationships are. They only see the numbers and think, "Most women are in relationships, which means that there are probably an equal amount of men in those relationships, therefore, men are successful with women." They run with that notion, but it doesn't make sense when you account for studies done on the exorbitant amount of extramarital affairs, divorces, etc. Add in to the fact t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 05:08 PM
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That's a possibility but albeit a bit of a stretch. For starters, she could be using contraception with the guy. Secondly, she would probably know the identity of the guy (if not, she definitely should otherwise we're talking about an irresponsible individual). Lastly, given that she would likely know his identity, if ever she carries the child to term, she can pursue that guy for child support or in the event that she does not wish to carry it to term, she could contact local agencies and decla…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 04:53 PM
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If only you had an opinion to pass judgment on. You're only here to incite anger and frustration, and you've made few if any attempts to actually debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/12/16 04:45 PM
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Perhaps you think I meant the "ample stability" you mentioned. I was talking about women being compassionate when comparing her husband to other men but being a hardass on herself. Yeah I did actually. The first comment was sarcasm to highlight that most women are attracted to "assholes" and that it really isn't going to change. It's not a necessity for women to be compassionate, but it's a necessity for men to understand their situations. Yeah, I definitely thought you were white knighting the …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 10:45 PM
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It's not an excuse for people to not put in any work, but people simply have to evaluate where they stand and how much work they need to put in to get where they want to be. If they're happy being lazy slobs, then they should be content and not feel a need to complain. All I know is that isn't realistic and most lazy slobs do complain that life sucks and that things aren't easier for them. There's no pity for such people because they've relegated themselves to being sloths.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:21 PM
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And honestly, the skinny that those regions emphasize is not unhealthy at all. There are definitely cases where girls are anorexic and look like they're on the verge of death, but those cases are rare. The idea that large women claim their skinny counterparts are unhealthy is laughable.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 09:00 PM
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I've already sent a few messages to you guys regarding Sips and his/her lack of debating in good faith, yet you guys still refuse to act upon on it. These discussions get heated and ad hominem is thrown around a lot but that individual is clearly not here to do anything constructive.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 08:53 PM
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Asian women really do have it the worst, since none of that extra fat goes to the ass and/or breasts. As for fat going to the faces... where I live, many of the Asian girls no matter how skinny or fat have generally fat faces. It's more of a genetic predispostion.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 07:26 PM
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They're lazy yes, but that's not necessarily why don't end up at the top. Some people have to work harder than others to make something of themselves, and others can coast by with ease. And some work very hard and never get anywhere. It's about who they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 05:43 PM
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To some people, the difference is negligible. For myself, both the gold digger and the player rely on a fair amount of deception to get what they want. The gold digger wants to hide the fact that she's only in it for the money, and the player is faking that he is actually interested in something more serious with the girl. The problem is that with the gold digger, there are often times real implications that severely cripple the man's livelihood. If it gets to the point that a man and a gold dig…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 01:50 AM
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It's not so much what they aren't doing but rather who they are not.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/12/16 01:41 AM
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And many others see it just as another interesting topic to talk about. Worst sex you've ever had, interesting places you've had sex had, most people you've had sex with in a single day, funny sex stories, celebs you hooked up with, etc. That really depends on the stakes. I tend to observe that if I come off as not caring much about sexual history, I get a more open and honest answer. I know that it's deceptive because I am not receptive to certain information, but it's the only way I can get an…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 11:14 PM
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There are guys that are promiscuous because they see sex as something natural and let it happen. Biologically speaking, the average man is programmed to be very horny. It makes sense because on an animalistic level, we want to reproduce and pass on our genetic material. Which is why men on average tend to masturbate more than women. So yes, sex, especially for men, is a natural course of things. There are guys that use sex as a tool for validation and are willing to go to extremes just to get se…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 07:48 PM
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You're right about one thing: the number of women reporting higher numbers is ever increasing. But to say that women don't see a point in it anymore is a bit of a misnomer. Most women don't think it's an important topic - what happened in the past, stays in the past. But for the men, who aren't hopeless desperate and who are entertaining the idea of marriage, it does become a bit of an issue. When that question is posed to a woman, it immediately puts her on the defensive. She's most likely goin…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 07:43 PM
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Playboys want sex and understand that they get sex by behaving a certain way. They are playboys because they are successful in getting sex. If damaged means they don't fit into the schema of being in a committed relationship, then by golly, I guess they are damaged. But if playboys are successful in getting sex, it can only logically follow that women want playboys because they are damaged. Or that there is something about "damaged" men that makes them attractive to women. Or better yet... maybe…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 06:14 PM
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You misunderstand my message. I am not denouncing dread game, I am in full support of it. My first statement was sarcasm to highlight the current situation (that women simply prefer assholes). My second statement indicates that men who don't apply dread game and actively give their partners a lot of comfort and space, end up getting burned by doing so.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 06:02 PM
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That's possibly true, but from my personal experiences, I've known many women who lie about their partner counts to prospective partners and even to others to whom they feel they might be judged by. Even if they themselves felt comfortable with their number, they still could not get over the feeling of possibly being judged by other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 06:00 PM
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If we lived in a world where people could be honest with one another about their intentions and identities, we'd all be better off ethically and morally for it. The problem is that for some people, deception really is the only way to get what you want. For instance, let's take a look at men in deadbedrooms. A lot of these men go out of there way to communicate their issues with their partners, to try and see what they can do to get more sex from their wives... but no matter how much these men en…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:57 PM
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It's as if they aren't visiting secret weekly women meetings to discuss their secret plan. I sense your sarcasm, but I'm sure you can fathom what I mean. Those with an liberal attitude talk about hookups the same way other people talk about celebs, sports or the weather. So they share it unequivocally? If anything, the most liberal females I've met (who staunchly defend sex positivity) actively denounced men asking them about their histories.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:49 PM
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Alright then.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:44 PM
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In my many encounters with women, no matter the type of woman I was dealing with, passive/aggressive, extroverted/introverted, etc., it would always be the case that each of these women wanted a fair amount of drama, whether substantial or minute. But the notion was always the same: there had to be drama, whether it was caused by her, or whether she was surrounded by it. Generally speaking, most men can live without any drama, but women seem to be drawn to it. If a man was fully accommodating to…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:44 PM
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Both, but specifically focused on men. In modern relationships, the average man is just about the same level of chivalry as the men in the past, but likely moreso now than before with the whole egalitarianism shifts. Given that most of these men are more supporting and giving so-to-speak, they give their partners more affection, attention, and space... and they ultimately end up getting burned because of it. But my comment wasn't regarding dread game. That comment in particular was directed towa…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:39 PM
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Also, given the fact that most relationships start off on an imbalance with the guy initiating most of the contact, it only makes sense to bring the balance back into the relationship. The problem with most relationships is that women get massive ego boosts from having boyfriends and attention, and without any way of bringing that ego back down to Earth, when shit hits the fan in a relationship, a girl will use her massive ego to assert dominance. That isn't what a relationship needs and that is…
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:36 PM
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Yeah, typo on my part.
/r/PurplePillDebate05/12/16 05:32 PM
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Adrenaline comes from risk. And what about the thrill and/or the rush? People get adrenaline rushes from things like tattoos, rollercoasters, etc. and in most of these cases, the people don't believe there is any inherent risk at all. How is it risky? She'll insist upon a condom and you know she won't kill you or hurt you. Sounds like no risk to me. You're assuming that a prostitute will ALWAYS push for a condom, or that men will ALWAYS oblige. That is simply not true. It may be an adrenaline ru…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 01:24 AM
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Casual sex isn't anywhere near as risky for men as it is for women. I don't see how this is relevant to my points. Having lots of casual sex does not denote an adrenaline junkie man. True. It's pretty innate for most men to want sex. But the guys I was specifically focusing on, unattractive men who still want lots of sex, tend to be adrenaline junkies. These are the men who will partake in risky activities such as sleeping with prostitutes. It might not denote an adrenaline junkie woman either -…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 12:32 AM
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Dread doesn't make you an asshole, its just that when you have to purposely create dread it sounds very fucked up Depends on the manner in which that dread was created. You can purposely create dread either by distancing yourself from a person or by becoming a more attractive individual. In either case, dread was purposely created. It's a matter of, "Do the means justify the ends?" In this particular case, I would say yes. A person who feels like their relationship is running smoothly is not goi…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/12/16 12:27 AM
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Yeah... no. In a just world, dread game would make women leave those 'assholes'. But for some gosh darn reason... it makes women become more anxious and it makes them feel like they aren't doing enough. Maybe it's because I'm looking at newer generations, but the majority of guys I've seen get burned are the guys who are giving their partners ample stability.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:55 PM
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The 80/20 is more closely related to your conception of the whole bracket system. Even though a guy can be rated on a scale of 1-10 in terms of attractiveness, the reality is as such: All guys 5 or lower are automatically disqualified (unless they have an artificial booster such as fame and/or wealth). All other guys 6, 7 and 8 collectively form the "average" group. At any given time, when these average men aren't all in the same room, they will have the same frequency of opportunities as one an…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:49 PM
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Some people want to fuck more than others. Same deal with high adrenaline activities: some people love that rush more than others, and some don't like it at all. The ones that don't want to have sex are the ones that have a low libido.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:39 PM
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But what if the guy has shown a desire to both hang out and have sex? Does he just want to hang out because that usually leads to sex? Is the way to figure it out to stop having sex and see if he's still interested? If he's hanging out because he believes it will lead to sex, the power dynamic shifts in favor of the women. If he's got an abundant supply of opportunities, he's not going to hang out unless he wants to. If the power dynamic is in favor of women, there's really nothing to worry abou…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:36 PM
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It would seem that way, but having heard first hand from handfuls of women (seemingly respectable women I might add), this seems to be a more common occurrence than anything). It's more often the case that a woman is willing to go on a date with a mindset of, "We'll see how it goes, but if all else fails, I'll get a meal out of it." So the expectation of a free meal is there, even if they are hoping for something more (even though they realize their chances are bleak).
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:28 PM
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Furthermore, even though we live in a time where women are strongly making the push to be liberal about their sexual activities, many of them will still go to great lengths to keep their histories a secret. Even though most men nowadays explicitly state that they don't care about a woman's past, most women know that it still doesn't reflect well upon them. They're simply making this push so that they can have sex without the shame, not to be able to freely tell people about how promiscuous they …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:25 PM
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That's not necessarily true. You can have high libido men who are unattractive, but still want to have as much sex as they possibly can. They're still adrenaline junkies, but they're not exactly getting the most out of what they want. Such men are likely to hire hookers/prostitutes to satisfy their urges.
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 10:02 PM
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Honestly? Yes. More guys will truly want commitment than girls. Girls want commitment from high value guys (arbitrary definition but in general some combination of: hot, famous, wealthy, etc.). If a guy hasn't sought commitment in a fair amount of time (say, within at most 3 months), he's not really considering commitment. If a girl pushes the question onto him, he may change his mind. But in general, such a guy is satisfied with where he's at with the girl: getting NSA sex. A girl honestly has …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:57 PM
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Only if the woman cares about looks as much as a typical guy does. My whole point is that the typical woman doesn't care about looks as much as a guy does. She will be aware one is more attractive, but they're both with the same broad category of attractiveness so it doesn't strongly sway her decision the way it would most men. As a result, the less attractive guy is at less of a disadvantage than the less attractive woman would be if the genders were reversed. Maybe between a 7 and a 6. The dis…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:51 PM
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But, couldn't there be an in between point from casually seeing each other to dating and committed, but not seriously committed? Unless it is explicitly stated/established, there is no formal relationship. You simply have two people having sex. There is no commitment, simply requests and fulfillment. So there is nothing stopping a girl from believing that she is in some sort of relationship. She can expect a guy to say that he's "committed" to her, but realistically speaking, he is not committed…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 09:26 PM
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Yeah, that's called friendship. Doesn't mean that the male incel is going to get laid. Some do, most don't. The thing about these so-called female incels is that most of them as repulsive as they are, still maintain some standards. They COULD have some guys that are interested in them, yet it would be beneath them to consider it. Many male incels don't even have standards and will go for whomever will take them. But no one will take them. Female incels are voluntarily single. Male incels are inv…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 07:32 PM
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My point is that a guy who is a 4 only has to be slightly more charming than a guy who is a 7 to have more success with women, and if they are otherwise identical in their personalities and confidence they will have similar success even though one is objectively "more attractive", because they're both in the same bracket. I would imagine it is more than that. If you put them both in the same room, the 4 would have to substantially outperform the 7 in several areas. If both guys were approaching …
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 07:27 PM
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These women have been lead to believe that sexual interest = romantic interest, and that sex would lead to commitment. And what makes you think they've been lead to believe that? Their frequent encounters with "Chads" and/or players? I am of the belief that "love" for a woman is the equivalent of attraction. Hence, why when a woman decides to break up with her partner, she proclaims, "I love you, but I'm not in love with you." Hence, the attraction is dead. They're not lead to believe anything r…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 07:20 PM
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If a man is given no reason to believe that he is being taken for a ride, why would he ever learn to make such observations? I've never been on one of dates (mostly because I would never put myself in such a situation), but I am aware of the signs. That's mostly from understanding other mens' situations, and through TRP. But otherwise, if I was you're average Joe, I would be absolutely unaware of such transgressions. In fact, such experiences would be written off by most men as outliers rather t…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/12/16 07:15 PM
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Are you making a claim that a regular person would NOT save a person? If not, then I don't see how that aspect would make a psychopath more qualified than a regular person. I understand your perspective on James Fallon, but for Professor Fallon, we have plenty more equally brilliant scientists who are NOT psychopaths. To really make a case for hiring such people, you've got to prove to me that these people are substantially better, otherwise I'd want equally qualified, stable people.
/r/TheRedPill01/12/16 10:19 PM
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I agree with your assertion, although I'd imagine the bottom 90% would be compared relatively at that point rather than as a whole. The top 10% of attractive guys are likely to score sex with relative ease (barring any absolutely repulsive behavior) while the others may get sex when the timing is right, or are more likely to be considered as a boyfriend.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 07:08 PM
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Are you saying that any girl who meets a guy in a bar or nightclub should just assume that he's not looking for commitment? Yes. That's a relatively safe assumption until proven otherwise. If so I agree with you, but that doesn't mean a girl couldn't meet "Chad" somewhere else (say, in class, for example) and not be aware of his Chadly tendencies until later. I agree with you on that as well, although it's less likely. In which case, such an encounter would not likely indicate that the guy she i…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 07:06 PM
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Particularly stunning physical specimens also tend to override other concerns for either gender. Correct. But it can't be denied that even though women may values looks less than men do overall, a very good looking man has a significantly higher probability of having sex with women. And with our focus on sex, it's a critical factor.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:55 PM
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I'm not arguing fault at all. Nowhere have I said, it's her fault or it's his fault, or whatever. You're looking at this from a time stand point which is fair, but you're not considering that the woman dealing with Chad has been getting sex from Chad, which is what she wanted initially. It makes absolutely not sense to consider the man a Chad, if her desire for commitment didn't come after they've had sex. Chad isn't going to waste his time trying to hook a girl if he hasn't gotten sex from her …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:48 PM
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Just like the girl has literally zero chance of getting her commitment. And will likely end up having to deal with being called crazy, clingy, bitch for calling him out on it. But she didn't want commitment from the get-go. If she did, Chad would not have pursued her. He wouldn't even be a Chad then because Chad isn't going to work to keep a girl he hasn't had sex with. She may indeed have had zero chance of commitment, but that wasn't her intent INITIALLY. That is absolutely crucial. She wanted…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:41 PM
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If he's dangling commitment, then he's giving implicit hints, not explicit. If the commitment is dangling, it's more of a "maybe" and/or "I'll think about it" rather than a "yes/for sure/etc." Their interactions didn't start from the outset with her seeking commitment. It started with sex. That is the definition of Chad. Otherwise, Chad would've dropped her off and looked for other girls. She wanted more commitment, but didn't receive a solid answer. She can make a decision then, and even if she…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:36 PM
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Which would indicate that regardless of how careful and/or cautious men are at learning and picking up social cues, they will fail when they encounter such women. It's already the case that most men can't even recognize what women find attractive about some men. So it's an overestimation of a man's ability to pick up those social cues. Some men yes, but most men, no.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:30 PM
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Of course women don't think like that, they think they've been heart broken. If they had been looking for commitment from the get-go instead of having sex with Chad from the outset, they probably would've gotten a better answer sooner (that he wasn't going to commit). Instead, they most likely had sex with Chad first and then pushed for more commitment. I get it that it's a blow to a woman's ego, but if commitment wasn't pushed for from the outset, then some of the responsibility falls upon her.…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:28 PM
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Whether that's before or after she initially had sex with him much less for some "extended period of time" isn't implied in that definition at all, I don't know why you're adding that on there inexplicably. Because that is part of the definition of being a Chad. Chad has options and if a woman is pushing for commitment, if he's dangling commitment, he's likely giving her an inconclusive answer. He's not going to waste his time faking commitment if he's got other options available. Chad isn't jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 06:21 PM
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"It's rare but it happens." That makes an even less convincing reason to hire a serial killer. If it is indeed rare that they save lives... why wouldn't a normal person be a better choice? They would be MORE likely to save a life than a psychopath.
/r/TheRedPill01/12/16 06:18 PM
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I am assuming that these deceptive women are very good at their craft.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 02:09 AM
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I'm not adding facts in. It's completely silly to think that a woman entered into an interaction with Chad expecting commitment. If we're going off the definition of Chad, he's a guy who's going to have an abundance of available partners, and if she's looking for commitment from the get-go, he's not going to waste his time. That is why it is an absolutely fair assumption that they already had sex from the start. In "my example", yes, she may have invested more time with Chad than the guy going o…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 02:08 AM
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She's claiming that she slept with a Chad, hence, she likely knows about his history, otherwise, she can't automatically assume that she's sleeping with Chad. You're challenging my assertion that Chad's are primarily located in these bars or nightclubs, but realistically, if they aren't at these locations, they would be on Tinder or elsewhere where they have ample opportunities for women. Bars and/or nightclubs are the best spots for Chad, because chances are, Chad is good looking and that is ho…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 02:00 AM
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Because even if the women is dating with intent, there's a chance it won't work out. No need to get butthurt about it. While I agree with that sentiment, the guy literally has zero chance of it ever coming to fruition. Even if he wasn't to get butthurt about it, if he decided he wants to split the bill, he'd likely end up having to deal with the hassle of her calling him out for it. Well at least he got to have a pretty lady in his arm for the night and got a bit of preselection. That's what he'…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:58 AM
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So if looks aren't much of a factor in determining sexual attraction, why does Chad get more sex than the average guy, especially given that some would deem Chad to be more repulsive in character than the average guy?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:52 AM
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I said before, serial killer and a rapist of 33 women, Ted Bundy, psychopath , had a little fact about him that most people forget, he saved a child from drowning, why would he do that? Because he can. I could argue that he did it to bolster his reputation with the community he was part of, given that he was recognized for his actions and given acclaim.
/r/TheRedPill01/12/16 01:47 AM
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Am I supposed to believe that she actually slept with a Chad?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:44 AM
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If Chad has agreed to be in a relationship with said woman, then I'd agree with you. But I'm coming at an angle where Chad has already had sex with the woman, but she wants more, and he isn't clear about his intentions. I'm not excusing Chad's actions, but unless he's in a relationship with the woman, she's not all that fucked. Chances are, she had sex with Chad and had that initially and wanted more. The guy going on the date is fucked no matter what the outcome is because he's thinking that th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:42 AM
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Except that I also mentioned that two standards are applied to two different groups. I'm not arguing about who is or is not more deceptive; I'm highlighting the severity of both situations. The women with Chad want commitment, but that was only likely to be the case after having had sex with him. The men going on the date with the deceptive women want to see if the date goes anywhere but are completely unaware that the woman they are going out with have absolutely no interest. The women with Cha…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:38 AM
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That is absolutely not what I am saying. For starters, I'm arguing towards the severity of both situations, not whose fault is whose. Is Chad attempting to manipulate the woman he is with? Yes. Is the deceptive woman attempting to do the same? Yes. But that is not the point. The point is that the woman likely has some history with Chad, and that at some point she wanted more. But she's not likely to get more, and that Chad dangling commitment isn't clear cut on his answers. She can still make a …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:31 AM
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We aren't addressing other hypothetical Chads, we are addressing this Chad, you can't just change "Chad" in the hypo when you feel like it. The Chad we were discussing was the one who dangles commitment in front of women to get laid. Fair enough. -_- How has Chad not done this?? He's interested in her sexually, just as the deceptive woman is interested in the guy monetarily. The difference is that Chad isn't dangling the commitment carrot without being prompted. The other party likely pushed for…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 01:25 AM
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Could be indeed, they could aswell be irresponsible but remember, psychopaths want power, the only way to do that is to work hard and that's what a highly intelligent psychopath would do, if psychopath excels in a subject/work, he will want to be better than everyone else, that drive is gonna get him on top. You're right about that person having a drive to get to the top, but to believe he's going to work hard at it? If anything, he's going to manipulate his way to the top. Remember, as a psycho…
/r/TheRedPill01/12/16 01:07 AM
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So you told these men you weren't interested in them during the date, correct? Not early on, or even prior? (that wouldn't really make sense if your intention was to find an LTR) In your scenario, your goal wasn't to get a free meal, but your goal was to find a compatible partner. That is significantly different than the deceptive women who are simply out for the meal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:52 AM
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They don't need to assume that, its called looking for clues/tails. Like her pushing for expensive restaurants, being superficial, etc etc. Its not exactly hard to look for. You're assuming that such women are so blunt that those red flags would be easily discernible. What you are describing is indeed not difficult to notice, but most of those women are not on that level of blunt. Women on the average tend to have a higher EQ than men, and given that mismatch likely occurring in such pairings, s…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:41 AM
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Let's say we use your definitions. So yes, the average guy can be "charismatic" and/or "good looking" to some degree. But if we're talking average guy, he's most likely not going to be qualifiably both. Furthermore, given that some surveys indicate that women deem most men unattractive, all of the above is even less likely.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:34 AM
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No, it's not the same. Because with Chad, she's already been having sex with the guy, but she likely wants commitment. That is much different than a guy who is taking a woman out on a date for the first time. In one instance, you've got a woman who has been having sex on the regular with a guy, and in the other, you've got a guy who is only starting to escalate things with the deceptive woman. It's ridiculous to compare apples to oranges because the woman dealing with Chad has some free will in …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:31 AM
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So you're not deceiving men and they are basically paying for your company. You've just netted guys that are specifically looking for companionship. Do you put this disclaimer in your profile?
/r/PurplePillDebate01/12/16 12:08 AM
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Except that neither target is gullible. The men being targeted by deceptive women are under a pretense of mutual interest, as are the women targeted by Chad. The difference is, those men cannot possibly foresee that they are being played unless they are assume that ALL women they ever meet are deceptive. That's basically analogous to adopting a safe sex attitude. The women in their interactions with Chad are fully capable of not giving up sex so easily, yet they freely choose to do so. If they h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:59 PM
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If he's dangling the 'commitment carrot' then yes. That's one possibility for Chad, but Chad is not exclusively the guy who dangles the commitment carrot. He's also the guy who is playing the field and hitting up a wide variety of women. That hypothesis relies upon viewing the Chad only as a person who dangles commitment. And such Chads exist, but that isn't applicable to all or even many. The bigger issue at hand is that the deceptive woman going on dates has feigned interest in her target. As …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:54 PM
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That's a possibility for a Chad - to lie about commitment to continue getting sex. But that doesn't apply to all Chads, since such men have other redeemable features that women desire. The deceptive woman on the other hand relies entirely upon deception. There are no two ways about it. Her trade depends entirely upon manipulation and trickery. Without it, she doesn't get her free meal. I have nothing but praise for hookers/escorts though, they make their business clear cut: men get sex when they…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:43 PM
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And where do you suppose I find these Chads? On the streets? At the library? Let's be absolutely realistic here, "Chad" is most likely going to be somewhere where there's a lot of opportunity. It doesn't have to be a college campus, but it would probably be at a bar or a nightclub, etc. He's not some random guy you meet on the streets.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:40 PM
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You're approaching this from an equal perspective. Except it isn't equal. Chad's reputation may hurt his chances with women that are seeking commitment, but there will still be many women who want to have sex with him (if he is a Chad, he likely has other attractive qualities that women desire). The deceptive women relies entirely upon the notion that men do not know what she does. Her "customer base" is composed primarily of all such men. If at any point these men were to find out that this wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:26 PM
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What excuses? What the hell are you even accusing me of?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:09 PM
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College campuses on the West coast.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:07 PM
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Because her livelihood depends on it. Most guys are going on dates with these women under the impression that interest is mutual. If they knew these women were only interested in a free meal, they would not be interested. Some men might be interested in the proposition, but most men would not.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 11:06 PM
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I never argued that it was ethical. The only difference is that one person is lying and the other simply doesn't care. That isn't to say that there aren't Chads who lie to get what they want, but in most cases, the women chasing Chad are often aware of his reputation. The men going out on dates with these women are unaware that they are being duped. They are under the impression that there is mutual interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:43 PM
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But in that sense of things, the psychopath would be more likely to embezzle money and/or steal things from the company. And simply because he does not have an emotional connection to the job does not automatically imply that he's going to get the job done. It may very well be the case that he is going to off-load his responsibilities onto someone else by convincing others to take them. That trait you specified doesn't indicate that a psychopath will be more hard-working; they will simply be mor…
/r/TheRedPill30/11/16 10:39 PM
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Her deceptiveness is getting her what she wants out of it, not her reputation. She's not spreading the word that she's pretending to be interested in guys to get free meals. Chad on the other hand... whether or not he's actively telling people, he's not trying to keep it a secret.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:35 PM
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If we're assuming that those 'hanger-ons' are fully aware of the reputation of these women, that would mean that they willfully choose to be in the state that they are in. That would indicate that her reputation is meaningless at that point, and all that really matters is her feigned attention towards the chump. Such a woman is also out of the scope of this conversation, since we are primarily focusing on two individuals, one whose reputation is out in the open (the Chad) versus one whose reputa…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:12 PM
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I never said the average guy had to be ugly and/or spergy. But the average guy is most definitely not a combination of charismatic and good looking. You're steering the discussion away from the focus. We're discussing the differences between players and deceptive women.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 10:05 PM
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I understand your point, but you're not convincing me that a psychopath is all that much desirable than a regular guy. I don't deny that there a lot of sociopathic individuals in high positions, but we're focusing specifically on psychopathy. You're right, that psychopaths may be no different than any other person... but the problem is, their psychopathy can be triggered by anything. Set them off once and they may retaliate against you. If they're no different than most other people, why would I…
/r/TheRedPill30/11/16 10:02 PM
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If he's charismatic and good looking, then he is by no means average. That is beyond the scope of our discussion here.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:59 PM
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Yet, such a guy has less trouble getting laid than an average guy who is trying to win a woman's heart by being chivalrous. You're coming at the issue from a moralistic standpoint, which would make your claim more substantial. However, Chad only really cares about getting laid. If a girl knows that Chad is a man-slut and she is STILL approaching him, then it makes her intentions clear-cut.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:40 PM
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Whereas Chad's reputation is beneficial to him, the deceptive woman's reputation is not beneficial to her. It doesn't hurt Chad as much for women to know that he's been around the block. Sure, it will probably steer away women who are looking for commitment... but the women looking for commitment? They're most likely at their "ripe old age". If guys knew that a woman was simply looking for a free meal, she'd be almost out of business. She'd probably see a few dates here and there with some guys …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:27 PM
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Yes, I suppose you'd want Ted Bundy as your employee because you'd like to have the media raise a shitstorm about your company employing a serial killer and rapist. Psychopaths are a ticking timebomb. If they're not already doing something destructive, they will eventually. Corndog makes an excellent point, that the average Joe is your best bet as a worker. You want average people who will clock in/clock out for their paycheck and do what they're supposed to do. That's why bee hives function wel…
/r/TheRedPill30/11/16 09:22 PM
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Except that Chad's reputation is well known. The women who are actively pursuing Chad know full well what he is capable of, but they are likely to believe that they are "different" and that they are capable of taming him. The woman duping guys for free meals? She does her damnedest to make sure guys don't know that side of her.
/r/PurplePillDebate30/11/16 09:08 PM
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Which is exactly why men are almost always considered the abuser in domestic violence cases. Unless a woman appears to have a significant physical advantage over her partner, everyone will always assume that the men are aggressors. That used to be true in a time when women were much more passive, but now that women have become increasingly aggressive, you begin to see more abuse from women, albeit in a more psychological fashion than physical. In relationships of younger generations, I see girls…
/r/PurplePillDebate23/11/16 10:26 PM
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It quite does actually. Marriage is quite honestly the most absolute form of commitment possible for a man. When a woman is dating a man, she doesn't quite have his full commitment. Of course, being in a relationship breeds contempt, but she still realizes that there is more commitment to be had: marriage.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 09:11 PM
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I agree with you, but the change she wants is a different person. She'll be happier seeing a positive change out of her partner, but realistically, she's too tied into all of what she knows about him and that in itself turns her off. She wants a winner, she doesn't want to win.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 08:00 PM
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I've had sex with women who were and were not on birth control. I can tell you that, I've witnessed the low libido effects that you mentioned, but for the most part, these women still had some desire to have sex. Had I been in a long-term relationship with these women, I can absolutely guarantee that their desire to have sex with me would diminish greatly. The thing about birth control and low libido effects is that there is some significance to it. But what people don't understand is that it re…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 07:50 PM
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How can you possibly know this? I thought we were having a real conversation about this but now you're dragging in all this AWALTy biased bullshit. Women don't know what they want so it's ok. Women don't contribute as much so it's ok. Blah blah blah all assumptions on your part. You yourself provided it as a possible explanation and it is very sensible (when you said that she would be worried about her husband leaving and/or being anxious). I can't prove it to you based on just my personal exper…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 07:43 PM
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Exactly. The thing is, most of the men in the deadbedroom situations usually don't even change themselves much worse. But the problem is that they are playing a losing game. It's like playing any game at the casino; the house has an edge on nearly all bets. But unlike the casino, it isn't illegal to beat the system (ie. counting cards at a casino) when it comes to relationships.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 06:35 PM
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Yes, but does a woman ever tell her partner that he's too damn fat? No. Why? Because she fears the possible instability, the possible backlash. She doesn't want to tell him to change... she doesn't even want him to change for her. She just simply wants a change, and if a man doesn't realize this, he will NEVER be made aware of it. That is the problem. And on the flip side, most of the guys in these deadbedrooms are still caring for their wives. Hell, they still ask their wives what THEY can do, …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 06:27 PM
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Regardless of the fact that I'm not sure how you know this, the question is at what cost? So she wants to have sex with her husband, but she's worried he's going to leave her if she doesn't, she's anxious and depressed because of it, etc. Does that sound like it's genuinely mutual beneficial or maybe just beneficial to him? I know that that is exactly what most women are thinking, but really, there is no sense in it. What's ironic is that women go to great lengths to unwittingly sabotage their r…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 06:21 PM
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The thing is, most of the guys who enter deadbedrooms, didn't start off in a deadbedroom. They are all men who had frequent sex with their partners. That is where they establish their baseline for sex: all the sex they had early on in their relationship or before they were married. The fact that the frequency of sex was higher early on is a strong indicator that low libidos are often not the issue. Deadbedrooms are more often than not a consequence of that lacking of attraction. Otherwise, what'…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 05:54 PM
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In fact, if you're a guy with a high sex drive, you probably want to marry someone sexually compatible so you don't end up in a dead bedroom situation. That's quite honestly the biggest fallacy ever presented. The idea that a woman is not having sex with her partner because of a low libido is so wrong I don't even know where to begin. There are indeed people with low libidos on both sides, but they are in the minority. Many people have very stable sex drives. So if a woman does not desire to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 05:23 PM
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What you aren't factoring in are the unintended consequences. When men follow steps to ensure that they get out of their deadbedroom situations, what you end up finding is that most of their partners actually start to want sex from their husbands/partners. Before that, you'd have wives that didn't want to have sex with their husbands at all. They would do it just to get their partners off their backs. So that "manipulation" you're referring to, was actually mutually beneficial. Marriage counseli…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 05:10 PM
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That mindset is an alternative, but it's a waste of time for a man to invest any bit of time and effort in a relationship when he can easily deduce that information from a woman. If you were just plating her, then it would be fine. But more often than not, most men with that mindset are still committing themselves to these women. You don't have to sacrifice your time and effort if you know that it's ultimately going to end; that's what plating is for, and it would be far more effective to have m…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/11/16 05:03 PM
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If they don't get married, they can't get divorced. If they do end up marrying a woman, they are no longer Chads. A Chad is simply another name for a player who sleeps with many women without ever getting committed to one.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 07:07 PM
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No one said your voice is unimportant, but you're stating your opinions as though they are facts. And no, I wouldn't allow myself to be victimized, but the person you replied to was not in any way trying to victimize you. They are merely speaking to the fact that the majority of women do not in any way feel oppressed by this notion of a "patriarchy". And what would I do? Pioneer my way through whatever fields you are struggling in. Jackie Robinson faced far more adversity and discrimination when…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 06:23 PM
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Yet the person you're replying to is speaking with regards to the majority of women. His point is still valid while you are basing your argument entirely upon your personal experiences, that of which align with the minority.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 06:14 PM
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We're not talking about specifically relationships as that is trivial. Anybody anywhere could be in a relationship for any reason other than mutual benefit. But the fact remains that a LOT of these men are either single or have been divorced once or more times. Simply ending up in a relationship means nothing especially if it is a result of time.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 06:13 PM
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And if those men are getting rejected all the time, it is very easily understood why most men don't get anywhere with women at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:22 PM
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It's not advisable for most men to try and approach random women throughout the day, but it is more likely to yield them opportunities for doing so. The idea is that it isn't what you say, but rather who you are. If a guy is attractive, he will generate more positive responses than if he was unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:21 PM
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You're speaking for the minority, not the majority. It doesn't make any sense why a system should change just so that it can tailor to the few and not the many.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:18 PM
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For a guy, it is very much possible. Of course, he is still susceptible to leaving for the other woman if the relationship is going sour. Women may also cheat with it having nothing to do with the relationship, but it's very unlikely. This is more closely related to the differing sex drives in men versus women.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/11/16 05:15 PM
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"...did they not properly research before getting into their degree?" Many of these young kids aren't told they have to do any research. Some do, but many do not. There are definitely students who have their shit together and have done their research, but they are only a handful. A lot more students do well in school but either don't really know what they plan to do or don't really consider it an issue. They're probably thinking they can graduate and find a job, just like you said. You sound ver…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 05:26 PM
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There are simply too many risks for you if you do decide to divorce her. It would seem like you love your children and you don't want to risk losing them, but I would advise you to take the marriage in the different direction. I'm going to guess that you're arguing with your wife more and more or it simply isn't pleasant to be around her. Most husbands would try her to placate her by submitting to her will. I would suggest that you start to do the opposite and distance yourself from her, but kee…
/r/TheRedPill18/11/16 05:15 PM
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Your perception is that these boys are waiting till the last minute to get their shit together, but many of them actually DO have their shit together. The market isn't so favorable that they can simply graduate and have a career all lined up for them. You've got to understand, I am not trying to rally for a cause. I am merely pointing market forces that are driving everything. There are simply few positions for a great number of upcoming workers. Yes, they would see an uptick in opportunities if…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 05:06 PM
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I see where you are coming from, and I greatly admire that cavalier attitude, but for men, it's a very dangerous proposition. Great risks usually entail great rewards, but for him, if he so happens to rub a woman the wrong way, she can cripple his career prospects and/or livelihood. If there were absolutely no risks in pursuing a woman for him, then I would wholeheartedly agree. But in this day and age, it has become increasingly difficult for the average man to even approach a woman. Back in th…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 08:57 AM
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You'll have to clarify your second question, I am not quite sure what you are trying to indicate as being contradictory.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/11/16 08:51 AM
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Men who are aware of the need to keep things light will do so with ease. But most men are simply not well-versed in this, especially men that want to know more about a girl's history. So your advice is practical, but that isn't what most men are being told. In fact, it's simply not even discussed much. When I was growing up, nobody ever told me about partner counts or how to bring it up in conversation. All I knew was that I was inherently disgusted at the thought of dating someone who has been …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:38 PM
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Some guys are going to judge him more harshly, mostly out of spite and jealousy. Some women will judge him more positively, although they will probably criticize the "hot" woman as a gold digger/slut/etc. But since those guys aren't interested in guys... the harsh comments they receive from other men is not likely to be an issue, so long as it stays as commentary and doesn't escalate into something more. Pre-selection based on counts isn't likely to net anything. Most women don't seek out men wh…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:30 PM
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Usually the answer I get is oh 3 guys and 2 girls or whatever. I'll usually ask more about the girls because, you know, it's hot. That's about it. I have no reason to doubt it. If I did doubt it, I would not be in a relationship with a woman I couldn't trust. And I get that, but it's usually when you have made it seemingly casual enough to talk about. For guys in relationships that want to know though, they're most likely not going to get that level of honesty, because sensibly speaking, if a gu…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:24 PM
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Duly noted. Regardless though, the issue as you stated: equating the findings of that study to rape.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:20 PM
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The biggest issue is misinformation. Some men are well-adapted enough to figure things out by observation but most men rely on some form of guidance to figure out things. Many men from a young age just go with the flow and put in anywhere from a little to a lot of work in their lives, and all ultimately to find that everything sucks. Dating prospects suck, career prospects suck, etc. No one is telling these men that everything is scarce. When reality hits, it hits hard because everything is all …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 11:05 PM
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Most women do not give half as much of a shit about what? If you're referring to a guy's partner count, yes I agree, but nowhere in my argument was I denying that. If you're referring to being asked about their partner count... I really beg to differ. Even the most prudish of women will try to cut their counts down from 3 to say 2 or 1. In my experience, I have never truly gotten a straight answer from women about their counts. I know this because when my girlfriend talks to them about it, they …
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 10:58 PM
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Female dating advice does not focus on what women find attractive; it focuses on what qualities a woman is looking for in an attractive partner. Many women will have played the field and will know exactly what physical qualities are attractive to them. When they are looking for a guy, the initial physical qualities that they are looking for will allow the men who meet that requirement to pass that screening. The next layer is what you hear women tell you they are looking for. They are not lying:…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 10:53 PM
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Men who are pursuing a relationship will most likely not get an honest answer, especially if it is from a woman who has a storied partner count. She knows that she has little to gain by being honest, especially if she wants to get a particular guy to commit to her who seems like he is not interested in high partner counts. She would be better off with a guy who has a high partner count as well, but she knows that a guy who has a high partner count will probably just make her another notch on the…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 10:47 PM
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The issue is when key influential people equate sexual assault to rape. Sexual assault encompasses rape, but rape does not encompass all of sexual assault. Furthermore, unwanted sexual contact is not well defined. Verbal contact could be considered sexual contact if it is done in a sexualized manner. In which case, the amount of what could be deemed sexual assault could be higher. But that's where things get skewed and headlines get sensationalized, and a problem that is a problem but not of maj…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 10:43 PM
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Sensationalism. I get why they do it, but from an ethical standpoint... it just convolutes the issues and raises a problem where it isn't likely to be significant. The fact that women are raped is a problem, but people aren't likely to raise hell if 6.1 out of 1000 is presented to them.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 10:35 PM
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My biggest qualm in all of this is when people throw the insecurity label towards men who are disgusted by women with high N-counts. It is perfectly normal and acceptable for men to not want to be in a relationship with someone who has a high partner count. Is it justifiable? Now that's debatable. However, I have some experience with psychology and from what I seen a lot of disgusts that people have come from the disgust towards signals of extreme non-conformity. Agreed. Men that feel that a wom…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 10:33 PM
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If a guy demonstrates characteristics akin to that of a player, then I don't doubt women would be uncomfortable. If a man simply has a high N-count but nothing to pin him as a player, I don't find most women judging him to be a player. If he's known to have relationships with multiple women, that will undoubtedly probably drive women away if it ever came to light. On the other hand, many men would have an inherent problem finding out that their partner has had many partners, whether she shows ch…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 06:46 PM
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Because other people don't understand what sexual assault legally means vs. how often it's used as a euphemism for rape by the general public. I don't blame people for not understanding what sexual assault entails, but when people distort the meaning and associate it with rape, it becomes a huge mess. Add in the fact that the AAU people who conducted the study had other motivations for pursuing such a case and extremists who will use that figure to further agendas, and you've got a huge debacle.…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 06:35 PM
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That's unfortunate. My partner is fully aware that I want to have sex with other women but at the same time, not be with someone who is having sex with other people. I was straight forward and honest with her about this because I don't want to have to resort to cheating, and because it would be a better fit for me to find someone who was accepting of such a thing. The same isn't true for most men, though I understand the motivation for cheating - selfishness.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 06:32 PM
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Because it came from the New York Times. 1 in 4 Women Experience Sex Assault on Campus And it was espoused by many well known feminists and other political leaders. I get that news outlets tend to romanticize a lot of these figures and accounts, but we mustn't forget that influential people in critical positions are restating these numbers as facts. But because many people are incapable of reading more than the title the manosphere started to strawman it as "feminists believe that 1 in 4 women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 06:30 PM
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It goes badly on your end... or his end?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 05:40 PM
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Instead of cherry picking, let's look at some major issues that feminism has brought up recently. I highlight recently because early feminism had critical goals of merit, but everything now is simply an aberration. For starters, rape culture. Why does anybody believe that the 1 in 4 statistic is credible? When you send a survey out to women and lead them on to make their decisions, how is that any bit credible? The DOJ reports the statistic to be closer to 6.1 students per 1000. Source Wage gap:…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 05:16 PM
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Nothing. I think both parties are well aware of the dynamic in such "pairings" but the problem is that women in those situations are either forced into it by threats or by prospect of poverty, and the men are cognizant that they could have women other ways, but would rather settle for what's easiest.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 05:03 PM
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This is the best answer possible from a male perspective. It's a shame that the population is more or less evenly split from birth.
/r/PurplePillDebate17/11/16 04:58 PM
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I would agree with you, although I would argue that it is much more likely that more women would be comfortable getting into a relationship with a guy who has had many partners, than men would be with a woman who has had many partners.
/r/PurplePillDebate16/11/16 05:14 PM
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They are anywhere and everywhere. If you ask such a thing from many women, they will most likely say no. But the problem is that most men have never asked and will never ask, even if that is what they desire. I found my girlfriend while in college. The only real downside is the extensive amount of shit-testing. At some point it will get to me, but for now, it isn't an issue.
/r/TheRedPill16/11/16 12:05 AM
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If TRP had a true problem with sluts, it would advise men not to interact with them at all. The delineation is clear: sluts are great for sex, but they are not for commitment. That message is intended to be appropriated as necessary. If a man is willing to take a chance on a promiscuous woman for commitment, then that is his prerogative. From a TRP perspective, it is undeniably riskier than propositioning a woman who isn't promiscuous. All of that simply indicates that sluts have their benefits …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 11:08 PM
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Source? Why does enjoying sex make one unsuited for a relationship (which ideally would involve a lot of sex)? Enjoying sex is one thing; being slutty features the enjoyment of sex, but with more serious implications. Sluts like sex... and they have sex with different partners. No one is saying that slutty women are incapable of being in a committed relationship, but from the experiences of many men, it is a risky proposition. Humans go through stages in their lives; healthy adolescence is usual…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 11:01 PM
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Some members of TRP will completely denounce sluts. But for the most part, such judgments do not highlight any issues other than from a moral standpoint. It is simply practical advice for a man not to seek commitment from a promiscuous woman. For the average man seeking a monogamous relationship from a partner, a promiscuous woman represents the highest risk/detriment to such an arrangement. That doesn't necessarily mean that ALL such women are incapable of being in a committed relationship with…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 10:34 PM
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In a laissez-faire environment, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly... except this forum has moderators. The moderators are backing off mostly because they are all on different sides of the matter, and feel as if intervening would show some implicit bias. They don't realize that bias is only present when taking action on a topic that has been for the most part conducive to discussion and/or civil. ... or maybe they just don't want to put in the effort. Either way, the nuisance is only limited to a…
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 10:23 PM
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It sounds like a matter of preference. Simply because they sleep around does not mean that all they should get is slutty women. It just so happens that these few men are chasing after women who are likely to be promiscuous. The problem is that you've got a just world fallacy: these guys sleep around, therefore, they should only end up with women who sleep around just as much as they do. The reality is that these players want attractive women who have low N-counts and are not promiscuous. But it …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 10:20 PM
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Except that TRP at its core doesn't have a problem with promiscuous women. Women who are "slutty" are useful to men, in that they provide sex at low cost (little to no investment). The issue is that most of these promiscuous women still want to play the relationship game when they know they aren't suited for it, but still want to reap the benefits of being provided for.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 09:38 PM
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I suppose I am being naive but I am debating in good faith. If that is the true purpose of these subreddits, you should have the moderators state it as such.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 09:35 PM
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If she wont stand up for herself at least some, why would you respect her enough to be in an LTR? I'm not going to question it if that is something you value in a relationship. However, it is an unnecessary risk to have; if I am going to be investing my time into a relationship, I want to be certain that the other person is going to do the same. If you don't have a problem with your partner talking with and/or being around other guys, that's fine. If you think that men should simply be confident…
/r/TheRedPill15/11/16 09:33 PM
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Debates in general are worthless in the grander scheme of things. But the point isn't to serve any greater purpose; the point is to have a debate in which both sides discuss topics. Instead it has completely devolved into needless trolling.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 09:15 PM
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Being confident, and being blindly ignorant are two completely different things. For starters, no person should simply be told to "man up" if they're concerned about their partners cheating. If you're going to go into a relationship (god forbid one does), you need to be wary of what your partner is capable of. If your partner does end up cheating, that's when you walk. That's where you need confidence. To not lose your shit whenever your partner walks out on you. Not to be "cool" about your part…
/r/TheRedPill15/11/16 05:18 PM
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Wait what?
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 05:11 PM
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Except you and others are moderators. You can moderate these discussions, and to be honest, all it really needs is some civility and show of presenting arguments and counter arguments. I could easily point a few people out on all sides who are clearly not here to debate. Warn them and ban them if needed. I don't mind having an open discussion with the opposite party, so long as they are actually here to debate. And in all fairness, many of the people here do. There are simply a few that do not. …
/r/PurplePillDebate15/11/16 12:46 AM
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Virtue signalling is the least of this subreddit's problems. If you haven't noticed, a lot of people on both sides of the fence are not debating in good faith. Rather, they come here looking to antagonize and provoke people. Before we even get into whether or not virtue signalling is of any significance, we have to first address the problem of people who aren't here to debate.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/11/16 07:49 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 06:48 PM
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When the users bring in content regarding Men's rights and/or gender inequalities, yes, it becomes a moral issue. With regards to just sexual strategy? It is amoral. You say that there are things that one can utilize in TBP, but I'm convinced otherwise, especially when the platform is primarily for satire. It is more akin to Netflix; there is content relating to entertainment, but it serves no other real purpose.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 05:52 PM
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Except that when you're in a relationship, there's more likely to be a case of mutual attraction. In that case, flirting in that sense is very safe and to the benefit of BOTH parties. Outside of clear intentions, flirting can be beneficial to both parties if there is a mutual interest, but if one party is simply doing it for attention (and this applies to both men and women), then it's a waste of time for the party who has a genuine interest.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 05:46 PM
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If the purpose of TBP is to satirize TRP, that in itself is a moral action. To ridicule or to criticize (what satire is) the comments of others is to pass judgment on that content. The foundation of TBP is based in morals. And what you stated is more of a guideline. Instead of a toolbox with a set of tools to use, you simply get a box full of guidelines. Much like the ten commandments. Do not use TRP. Do not treat women poorly. Do not be creepy. Etcetera. There is no explanation. There is no jus…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 05:42 PM
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I figured you would claim otherwise, but you went as far to say that it's amoral. If anything, it's completely opposite of amoral. Literally anything that TRP states is judged and often deemed objectionable. TBP offers no advice for men who struggle to find answers on how to interact with women in a beneficial manner. It only reiterates tired 'mantras', such as, "You will find the right one someday." On top of that, its sole purpose is to satirize the most extreme of comments/posts on TRP.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 05:32 PM
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You can't say that about TheBluePill.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/11/16 05:27 PM
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So you think the answer to all this is for this government is to harass people? That's laughable. There's already going to be much reform that no such actions will be necessary. Why do we need to stoop down to their level? Most of these leftists are already making fools out of themselves by holding these protests and riots. I expect the Republican dominated branches to create the appropriate legislation that will benefit the people AND silence these extremists.
/r/TheRedPill11/11/16 05:14 PM
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http://clubtroppo.com.au/2011/05/17/does-provocative-clothing-protect-women-against-rape/ I read the excerpt, and the point in contention is on page 142 and onward. They are simply offering some explanations as to what may or may not be the reason for how sexual harassers choose their victims. It does indicate that the perpetrators often choose their victims based on passivity and apparent submissiveness, but that only highlights cases of extreme individuals. Sexual harassment in the form of gro…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 09:55 PM
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As far as we know, Donald Trump made a claim to continue support for Planned Parenthood and to restrict abortion in critical cases. I don't know how much of that will be true, but yes, the Republican party has indeed in the past pushed to defund Planned Parenthood and to ban abortion. Will it happen? Possibly. We cannot be certain. But my question to you, why is it only seemingly fair to provide women with free access to healthcare and other personal products? What is wrong if they pay for it? O…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 07:27 PM
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So it is obvious that the people around Trump have a very clear agenda which he will be forced to appease to. You're speculating without any proof. There was already a clear divide between the Republican party and Donald Trump. Will they try to rein him in? Most likely. Does that mean that he will be absolutely forced to appease the party? No. And he is not exactly the kind of person who would fight back to secure women's rights. You're making some very insidious claims, as if you know without a…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 07:00 PM
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On what basis are you making the claim that America will be more sexist after Trump? Do you believe such things will be tolerated in America? Look at the fact that there have been numerous riots and protests since his nomination. I don't know how this will turn out, but it's highly ridiculous to believe that American society will crack down on these protests and adopt a sentiment of sexism. What is more likely to happen is Trump will try to change his image, and the Republican party is certain t…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 06:34 PM
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Yeah, a focus on all the other reasons I mentioned. There are simply many more reasons than one, and while I do not deny there are individuals who represent everything you mentioned above, that would absolutely be untrue for the majority of men who voted for Trump.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 06:25 PM
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Correct.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 06:22 PM
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You're basing that on Trumps indiscretions. You do realize that there are reasons Trump was voted in, right? For starters: They are sexist and do not want a female president. They are conservative and are voting for the more conservative party. They are Republican and voting along party lines. They believe Trump will build a wall to keep Mexicans out. They are simply dissatisfied with the DNC, and the fact that they chose an unfavorable candidate (Bernie Sanders would likely have been elected pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 06:21 PM
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It is common sense to understand that these are likely outcomes.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 06:09 PM
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Women have the right to vote, the right to work, the right to have a chance at a college education... so on and so forth. If you're telling me that men are eager to push forth these values, that is a completely different claim than saying that these notions are absolutely limiting the freedom of women. In one case, you have an ideal that men MAY be pushing for (whether that is true or not), versus something that has happened or is currently happening. The former is a valid statement, but the lat…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 06:00 PM
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You're greatly overestimating the effects of his presidency. In reality, we will see more conservative policies in effect and hopefully a repeal of the insidious ACA. But to believe that women will revert to their conservative ways? Feminism has simply done far too much damage, the only thing that will change women to traditional values is if men stop being pussified.
/r/TheRedPill10/11/16 05:46 PM
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So you consider it "cult-like" based on your analysis. What is the significance of this claim?
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 05:41 PM
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Yes I get that these opinions may not be to peoples' likings, but you're making quite a strong claim by saying that these opinions are absolutely keeping women in a state of submission, which is entirely untrue. Now if you were simply arguing against the negativity of these opinions, then you may have an argument, but as it stands, these opinions are not mandated laws. None of these opinions serve to keep women in a state of submission; they are simply opinions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 05:37 PM
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Feminists are also the ones that say that racial profiling of black men by the police isn't okay and that painting all brown men as terrorists isn't okay either. Why exactly does it take feminism to make such an obvious point? You're falsely attributing this to the feminist movement when in reality it was a sentiment shared by many.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 05:33 PM
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I don't see how in this age women are being "kept in a state of submission". As far as we know, there are more women in college and more women entering the work force than ever. All of the things you listed are OPINIONS, not mandated laws. Many men would PREFER their wives stay at home, but likewise, many men do NOT require it so. Men PREFER women who are sweet and soft, and in general more feminine. Your statement about mini skirts is a complete exaggeration of the situation. No one is saying w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/11/16 05:22 PM
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Exactly. I usually don't tell my friends this so bluntly, but there have been enough examples for them to get the gist of things. Unfortunately, some of them are still set in their ways.
/r/TheRedPill10/11/16 05:14 PM
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Outside of those contexts you often do get the opportunity to talk to someone and get to know them further. I agree that that is true, but the thing is, those scenarios are often blurred by the fact that intent is not quite clear in those situations. In a club, it is quite clear what most guy's intentions are when they are approaching a woman. Hence, rejection will be more readily at hand. Outside of a club, say a woman is being approached during the day time. A man has more opportunities to pre…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 09:14 PM
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So what you're indicating is that personality and character issues serve as DISQUALIFIERS. Those are reasons why a man would get rejected by a woman... AFTER he has passed the initial stage of attraction. If a man is below average in terms of looks, he's not going to get a chance to prove to a woman that his personality is more than enough to compensate for his lack of physical appeal. People tend to put far too much weight into personality and character than into looks, even though the former i…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 07:47 PM
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Case in point, those so-called "safe spaces" at universities. There's a video on the internet where an Asian woman comes in to make a little statement about her background and she so happens to mention that it shouldn't matter what background people are from, as long as they all recognize the struggles that each one of them encounters being a minority. Unfortunately, she happened to mention black people, and that set off the entire group to call her a racist and to completely shun her view, even…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 05:45 PM
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It'll be easier for some people because of genetics, but if the people on r/ForeverAlone r/short and any of those affiliated subreddit spent as much time as becoming attractive as they did complaining, they'd probably be successful. While I agree that some of those men may have social inadequacies, I am quite certain that many of those men have tried. Even men outside of Reddit, who may be short or introverted, have likely tried to become "more attractive". The problem is not in their character/…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/11/16 05:39 PM
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Westernized Asian women are great for pumping and dumping. I feel sorry for the Asian men that end up with these toxic women, but it's conditioning from a young age at work. A lot of men think that Asian women are better options for marriage, but they fail to realize that when these women become Westernized, all their values go out the door.
/r/TheRedPill09/11/16 05:25 PM
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So you comment on my argument, with a non-Western perspective, when most of my applications apply in a Western sense... I don't see how you're convincing anyone that any of what I said is invalid. For starters, you're convinced that this guys socioeconomic standing makes him any bit "alpha" because of his status. You forget that alpha completely supersedes any of that because a rich guy in a poor country can still be a little beta shit. Case in point, Elon Musk, a guy in a WESTERN civilization, …
/r/TheRedPill09/11/16 05:11 PM
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So you comment on my argument, with a non-Western perspective, when most of my applications apply in a Western sense... I don't see how you're convincing anyone that any of what I said is invalid. For starters, you're convinced that this guys socioeconomic standing makes him any bit "alpha" because of his status. You forget that alpha completely supersedes any of that because a rich guy in a poor country can still be a little beta shit. Case in point, Elon Musk, a guy in a WESTERN civilization, …
/r/TheRedPill09/11/16 05:11 PM
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Why do you assume that the man is alpha? Because he has 3+ wives? He's got status, but that in no way determines that he is alpha. You've got to understand that yes, these may be ultra conservative societies with very, very traditional values, but that in no way guarantees that a man is absolutely safe from danger.
/r/TheRedPill08/11/16 05:52 PM
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On the contrary, exposure to what TRP presents is less likely to lead a man to finding a pathway to happiness. The delusion that blue pill men live by is more likely to reward them with false "happiness" than what TRP offers. Instead of happiness though, TRP presents men with guidelines for ensuring that they get optimal results for their given circumstances. What a man chooses to do with the information is up to his own discretion. You won't find happiness here, but you'll be able to prevent yo…
/r/TheRedPill07/11/16 11:29 PM
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I believe most of these points are very solid. On a side note, men should never compromise in a relationship. This goes somewhat counter to what other experienced RPers in relationships will tell you, but let me explain why. Before you enter a relationship, your core values are set. There will be certain things you expect, and there will be certain things that may change over time. As this post highlights, your relationship will deteriorate over time regardless of how well you think it is going.…
/r/TheRedPill07/11/16 11:26 PM
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-_- Seriously? Do you think maybe woman are looking for a caring man, who is sensitive to their needs, and will treat them like a woman deserves to be treated? I think that woman are saying this is what they're looking for because that's much more important than a guy who is tall and has abs. It was an example. But in any case, the problem is not that those women who write those messages aren't telling the truth... it's that it isn't perfectly clear to people what is meant by it. Those personal …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 10:26 PM
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Nope, I understand. It's just strange that you're getting so salty that woman have preferences for men they're attracted to. I'm not sure why you're upset that "only hot men need apply!" Because, yeah, of course? I'm not salty at the fact that women have preferences. All people are allowed to have their preferences. If a woman doesn't want to date a man because he's short, that's her choice. It sucks to be the guy that is short, but that's just the way life is. What I am arguing for is for women…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 10:06 PM
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I don't doubt that it is a possibility, but it would more of an outlier than a representation of the norm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 05:45 PM
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You're of the belief that orgasms and attraction can be and are independent of one another. I suppose you think that if a man were to give another man a blowjob, he'd be able to get the man to orgasm regardless of his unattraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 04:52 PM
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Yes, but realistically, how reflective is this of the male population? Most men in any given community are dating women around their age or younger. When you take the population of men that are dating older women, that number is significantly smaller. Realistically, how many of these men do you believe have had the opportunity to date younger women... and turned them down? What you're delineating exists, but it's a deviation from the norm. Most of these men who are dating older women, do so beca…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 04:35 PM
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He is perfectly able to force you to take a powerful afrodisiac that will force an erection. Wait... so he's shoving viagra down my throat? You do realize OP is trying to compare this to situations where women may still orgasm when they are being forced to have sex against their will, right? If a guy is shoving an aphrodisiac down my throat... I don't really know where to begin to tell you that you're way off the mark, or that I really don't get your sarcasm.
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 04:32 PM
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Why would they state the obvious? They wouldn't. I was adopting an ethical perspective, not a realistic one. And why is it "shallow" to only want to date men you're attracted to? For the same reason why it would to be shallow for men to only want to date with big tits and nice asses. This is a silly point, we're talking about the absolute definition of the word shallow. Call things for what they are instead of worrying about the labels. I supposed you would date/fuck someone you think is unattra…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 04:30 PM
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Which indicates that you desire that "connection" from women, which is more or less just receptiveness on her part. See, this is the part where redpill says most men are thirsty betas who will fuck and wife up the first woman who pays them attention. Honestly, I don't want to be a desperate guy who settles for low-quality women. No one is stating that ALL older women are low-quality, but most of them were in their prime many years earlier. There are definitely still high-quality women past the w…
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 04:27 PM
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Which would be true for some, but not for most. Most men would be eager for a chance to date younger women, as they would be more attractive, but they end up dating women older than themselves because they don't have such opportunities. It's a coping mechanism: why keep pining for younger women that you can't get when there are many older women who are eager to have your company?
/r/PurplePillDebate04/11/16 04:21 PM
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She's more or less a cougar, similar to older men who pursue younger women. The reality is that regardless of whether a person is male or female, if they ended up with a younger partner, that is what they were looking for. The reason why such pairings happen is because of circumstance. It's guaranteed that the older person is the one who is actively seeking a younger partner. So there's no question in your case, that she was already in pursuit of somebody like you. So the only other factor then …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 11:15 PM
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Narcissistic mother AND a woman who works in a heavily male-dominated space. I can almost guarantee you her husband is a schlub. Regardless, congrats to Eli Apple for making it to the NFL
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 11:04 PM
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You're forgetting that a lot of single mothers and even married mothers still go out and party it up. You're under the misguided notion that having a kid means a woman is expected to become more responsible. What usually ends up happening is the kid gets dumped off onto another person/people, while the mother continues to go out and have fun. This doesn't apply to all single mothers but it happens to be the case for many, since most of these single mothers are teenagers who got knocked up by une…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 11:01 PM
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So from my experience women will try and start fights and arguments over the smallest things. Hoping that I will snap on them. Because they rather I be the asshole that yells and call her out on her shit so she can be the victim. Exactly this point. Most guys rarely recognize it, but when a woman is losing her cool even for the littlest things, it's because she's trying to build up a case against you. If she can make her partner blow up on her, she can justify any actions that follow (ie. cheati…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 10:45 PM
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That's the stereotype. It happens, but those women aren't the ones who make a fuss. Sane women don't take it to court unless there was something particularly bad about it. There are also sane women who don't take real rape cases to court. But we're talking outliers here. I could also point you to another example with the whole Duke lacrosse team case where 'sane' women take a court to case for other 'beneficial' reasons. I get where you're going with the Brock Turner example, but that example is…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 10:41 PM
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It's very similar to those situations where you have say politicians who are outspoken against homosexuality. You tend to find out later that they themselves were simply in the closet and trying to keep their inner demons at bay. We call it 'virtue signalling'. Those girls in the class are proclaiming that their teacher is a whore to make themselves look more appealing. Realistically, they would be the first ones to discard their future husbands if their husbands became deadbeats. The ones who a…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 09:08 PM
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I consider it akin to applying for jobs as a recent graduate: most entry level jobs will state, "minimum 2-5 years of experience." Most recent graduates will not have this type of experience if they were taking it at face value (that experience means years employed at a company). The few people that do understand that this is to weed applicants that aren't confident in their abilities, will realize that they are still qualified enough to apply. The concept is still the same: they only want men w…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 08:59 PM
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You're assuming that men don't have any autonomy over their own bodies, that somehow if done properly, a man can orgasm by sheer method. This is a personal example, so take what you will, but I'm one of the horniest people I know, and even I still can't get it up if a woman I am with is unattractive. No matter how well a guy might be able to give me a blowjob, there is simply no way I'd be able to ejaculate; I am not attracted to ugly women nor men. Alcohol does lower my inhibitions, but that's …
/r/PurplePillDebate03/11/16 08:47 PM
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For the beginner, this comes off as callous behavior on the part of women. For the experienced RPer, we understand that this is opportunistic behavior at its finest. There are simply no stigmas and/or restraints on this type of behavior anymore, and the result is what you see: branch swinging galore. We can also observe it in men, but primarily in the few men at the very peak who can very easily drop their partners at a whim to pick up new ones.
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 05:36 PM
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This is Branch Swinging 101: a woman is not likely to leave her partner, no matter how much she cheats on him, or treats him like shit, or feels like she is wasting her time... unless she can grab a hold of another 'branch' (man). Women will hold on to their partners for stability so long as they don't think they can grab a branch higher up. ... but when she thinks she can? That's when she is most likely to leave. On top of that, she may be having an affair with a guy for a very long time before…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 04:22 PM
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I would advise a word of caution: for those NSFF (as you call it), I would ensure that they are not enamored with you. While it may seem nice to have that friend dote on you pretty much all the time, you'll find more often than not that she is willing to sabotage your future potential in order to keep you around. Find female friends who you are more likely to be interested in and commit to not ever escalating it further. They'll be more keen on keeping you around if they are convinced that you'r…
/r/TheRedPill03/11/16 04:16 PM
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You're too invested into the outcome, and unless you were trying to pursue something more (ie. a relationship), they probably don't see you as fuckbuddy material. Most guys can get laid on the regular, but most of these same guys will have trouble keeping girls coming around often (ie. fuckbuddy status). So what they end up doing is having multiple girls on speed dial, so that they can hit up a fling from a few weeks to a month ago to get it going again. You're thinking you're lacking in "text/p…
/r/TheRedPill02/11/16 09:54 PM
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To the relationship. Sex outside of the relationship doesn't affect the way I treat her, although I know deep down she would prefer us to be mutually exclusive.
/r/PurplePillDebate28/10/16 01:50 AM
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People can call it whatever they want, but you're pretty much correct. It's like with deadbedrooms: if a woman is only having sex with a man either because he's complained too much and she's tired of it, or if he's done "enough" to get her to change her mind, then it's all transactional. In one case, she's using sex to get him off her back, or in the other case, she's conditioning him to earn sex. In any case, such women have no real desire to have sex with their partners. Correct. If a man and …
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:23 PM
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Exactly. No one is complaining about sexism when it benefits them except when it doesn't, which is entirely understandable. I don't expect it to change, but what I would hope men realize is that marriage is simply not favorable for them, especially if they have to approach it from a traditional sense of "I have to propose to her and make her feel special".
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:17 PM
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I don't have any reason to downvote you unless you are being absolutely abrasive and/or completely off topic (which you are not).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:13 PM
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Right. But they would argue she isn't truly sexually attracted to him, she's attracted to his provisioning/resources. I'm guessing you mean TRP. That would be true for women hitting the wall, but not the women in their prime. I agree, generally. I do think there are some men who, despite having your average-joe options, aren't going to to settle for very unattractive women, even just for sex. Very unattractive women? Not likely. When I'm thinking very unattractive women, I'm thinking pretty seve…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:12 PM
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I agree, the baseline for most women isn't 8+. But I'll assume this much: the better looking a guy is, the less likely he is going to turn you off. You'll have certain dealbreakers, but assuming these guys aren't hitting those dealbreakers, you'll be more tolerant of a better looking guy. In simpler terms, a better looking guy has less to prove.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:58 PM
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It was an unintended consequence, but it helps a LOT. Having my partner around makes women significantly more comfortable. Although it comes down to the fact that many of the women we encounter are either interested in only her or only me.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:53 PM
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Stephen Colbert is likely half-joking and half-pandering to his audience. But he reveals a lot about modern day marriages and weddings; all the focus is on the brides. The groom is simply just a fixture. But there really hasn't ever been an in-between. I would say historical weddings were to present the groom's future wife as a trophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:45 PM
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That I can agree with you. They seem to tie TRP and pickup together; some of the aspects of both are fairly interchangeable, but pickup focuses primarily on what to do instead of who to become.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:14 PM
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Well even in a ONS if an attractive woman sleeps with an unattractive man there is most likely to be something about him that she's attracted to rather than that she has no other options, especially since many women would rather not have ONS than have ONS with someone they're not attracted to. Now we're just deviating far from the norm. I am ultimately unsure of your intent in your argument, since you're trying to highlight an outlier (which is very reasonable) to contend my main point.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:11 PM
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That would work too, since each of those labels focuses on the aspect of the relationship rather than the union as a whole.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:09 PM
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Fair enough, but I don't know why you would assume that her attraction to him is only based on her lack of options elsewhere. The prevailing TRP belief is that you can't negotiate attraction, not that it's all relative. That is the prevailing notion... in many normal situations. TRP also talks frequently about "women hitting the wall", which is albeit a common occurrence, but not a 'normal' situation in the sense that a woman is in her prime and making decisions not based in desperation but in d…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:08 PM
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If you agree with the idea that "he essentially bought sex from her using gifts and favors", then that is what the modern day relationship is: a classier form of prostitution. If everything is held equal in a partnership, then it wouldn't be as such. But that would have to exclude men proposing to their wives (in favor of just agreeing upon a marriage).
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:45 PM
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Let's stick to just sex and lust. Dating is an entirely different scheme, one that doesn't revolve so much around looks. But if you see a couple where an attractive woman is with an average guy, the chances are that she is attracted to him and that she is one of the women who have non mainstream tastes rather than try to justify it by saying that she has no other options. We would have to analyze her history in order to understand whether or not she does indeed have tastes outside of the norm. S…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:42 PM
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How does a man below the threshold attraction level get an opportunity to show you that he's more than just his looks?
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:36 PM
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One-sided monogamy.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:34 PM
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Setting aside the fact that I disagree with this, even if I did, so? The fact remains that she's still attracted to him -- isn't that what men want? We're not discussing what men do or do not want. We're trying to understand how a man's looks factors into all of this and explanations as to why a woman would have sex with a man less attractive than herself. Same thing with a very attractive man and an unattractive woman. He may be willing to fuck her as a last resort but he will hide it and he wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:32 PM
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That still doesn't deny my point. I am fully cognizant of the fact that there are people with tastes deviating from the norm, but the norm is still what the average tends to.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:22 PM
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No, I got nomdplume's point and for the most part I agree with him. I was referring to the post he replied to. I agree with you to some extent that game is demonstrating one's inner frame, but the thing is, a lot of guys have to build up their frame. Hence, they will be "putting on" a lot of frame until the point at which it no longer becomes a cover, but a quintessential feature.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:19 PM
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I guess it could be labeled that way. But I have a problem with it because the definition an open relationship is an arrangement in which both parties agree to a non-monogamous relationship.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 04:12 PM
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I am in a similar relationship. I was direct and honest about it when I brought it to my partner's attention. The idea was to give her a chance to make a conscientious decision to accept the idea or reject the idea and find another person who would be more suited for her needs/wants. On top of that, I told her this wasn't an open relationship and I wouldn't ever be interested in it as such. She's not entirely thrilled about the idea, but she has bought into it and will pursue other girls with me…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 06:08 AM
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That's the real kicker isn't it? Law that protects women who prostitute, but punishes the men who purchases their services. It's as ludicrous as saying that women should not be punished for making false accusations about rape because it "deters women from coming forward". These notions are supported by ignorant individuals and individuals who know how to manipulate the system in their favor. ... but of course, I am not here to change peoples' minds about this matter, I am just here to try and sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:48 AM
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Whoa whoa buddy, we call it a relationship! These are women we are talking about, not objects!!!!
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:43 AM
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That's the kicker: if a guy is the best option available to a woman, he could be an average looking guy and be considered attractive by her. But then that would be a reflection of her lack of options (probably arising due to a lack of attractiveness). Now if we're talking about an average or below average looking guy being considered attractive by a more attractive woman? That would be a different story. Very unlikely to happen and is consistent with my first point of contention.
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 05:42 AM
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That's because for many women sexual attraction doesn't kick in at first blush. For lots of women, sexual attraction -- at least enough to find someone attractive enough to sleep with -- isn't immediate and is dependent upon more than just looks. I'll agree with one thing - most women aren't looking at a guy and thinking that they will have sex with him right away. But if the guy is good looking enough for her, sex will be on the table. That's the key. If a guy is average looking or ugly, she wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 01:23 AM
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Just like TRP does with personality. TRP in general does not dismiss personality. There isn't really a general consensus on personality, but my personal opinion on it is that personality factors significantly into keeping women interested and/or building interest, versus the initial impression. Looks matter to a degree. If you are hideous you don't pass the minimum threshold for a lot of women, but if you are good enough a compatible personality is more important than really good looks. A bad pe…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 12:44 AM
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And the same study also said that women still messaged men even though they rated them as unattractive unlike men that mostly messaged hot women. Why wouldn't they message men? Most of the women using those platforms aren't outright looking for sex. They can objectively state that the men they see on there are unattractive and still hit them up, because they aren't looking for a compatible sex partner. And you forget that women care about all the little things. Your smile, the way you walk, when…
/r/PurplePillDebate26/10/16 12:20 AM
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Everyone does to some extent because attractiveness is subject to each individual's perceptions. We can hold whatever belief we want about our own appearances or the appearances of others, but if we were to objectively evaluate the claim that 'looks don't matter', we'd have to be able to qualify that statement with physical evidence (ie. a picture). The average guy is not very attractive and surveys exist asserting that most women find most men to be unattractive.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:35 PM
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Re-read my initial argument; I claim that the perception is skewed on all ends, not just a guy's perception of the women he is with. He may be underrating his own appearance either because he doesn't know any better, because it suits his narrative, etc. So he is telling you he is because in his mind he truly is. Your opinion of what is attractive doesn't change that. My opinion of attractiveness doesn't change his perception of himself, but it affects his claim that looks don't matter.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:30 PM
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And most guys are skeptical enough to call bullshit on it. The thing to understand is that a guy's rating system is reflective to his perception: one guy's 6's may be another guy's 9. Without any pictures, it is difficult to believe any claim a person can make regarding that topic. What we do know is that there are many surveys from women that make the claim that most men are not very attractive. This may not be true, but it reveals quite a bit about the female perspective on male appearance: me…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 11:05 PM
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I would agree with a you that a lot of men do not know how to escalate things further or they are afraid to do so. In the case of my friend however, he's confident enough to ask girls out on dates, but the thing is, he's already cockblocked himself by approaching at it from a friendship. I can't say for certain I know what he is thinking, but it would seem that he believes that he has to get to know a girl first and build rapport, before things escalate further. He's not aware that attraction st…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:56 PM
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I'll spell it out for you: I make the claim, "when it comes to sex, a man's looks is a significant factor into whether or not a woman desires to have sex with him." The counter-argument I constantly receive: "That's not true. I am an average looking guy and I constantly have sex with hot women all the time." I'm not discussing preferences at all. I know preferences exist, but they are not relevant to the issue at hand. I have people trying to convince me that they are not good looking and that t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:51 PM
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The term 'SMV equal' is very subjective and not very significant in the greater scheme of things. For starters, most guys are not as likely to be as selective when it comes to sex as most women. A guy is likely to have a wider range of acceptance when it comes to a sexually desirable partner. Two girls a guy is having sex with could objectively be significantly different from one another (ie. one is tall, slender and very feminine, and the other is curvy, short, and more masculine). Two guys a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:47 PM
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If it doesn't matter to you, then it doesn't. But if you're trying to convince me that your perception of such things is relateable to the average male, it won't be convincing.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:34 PM
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Every BP individual I've had a discussion with about attraction vehemently denies how much a man's looks factors into a woman's decision when it comes to sex, and to a lesser extent, dating. The typical counter claim is, "I'm an average looking guy but she's gorgeous... so looks don't matter." If I assume that they did have sex with that woman, then they are misjudging their own appearance or the appearance of the other person. Because frankly speaking, when most women have sex, they want to hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 10:22 PM
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I have a friend who I observed to be pretty sociable with women. In college, he'd always hang out with many different women and whenever I was in their company, I noticed how easy it was for him to communicate with them. It was all a facade though. He was interested in nearly all these women, but every time he would show more interest, he would get shut down. He ended up just befriending most of these women and not pursuing them when he got rejected, but you could tell that he was bitter about t…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 09:58 PM
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I'm not going to make any assumptions about their appearances, but I am strongly of the belief that their perception of either their own appearance, or that of the people they encounter is heavily skewed. For example, they may claim they are average when they actually look significantly better, or they may claim that their partners are hot but are actually average.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 09:40 PM
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Do men and women (on the average) have the same amount of body hair? Would the average man be more attracted or less attracted to a woman with more body hair? These are all rhetorical questions; in short, men would likely prefer women to have less hair than to have more hair. It doesn't necessarily mean that all men want a woman with perfectly shaven arm pits, legs and crotches, but there is likely to be a stronger preference for it.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 09:18 PM
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The argument above is a huge copout. Either he is successful with women because of above average looks, because the women he is with are ugly, or because he's lying. If he wants to deny any of the above points he can, but above all else, he has to realize that his statement absolutely does not reflect the experience of the average male. The average male has a fair amount of social skills, but for the most part, being able to socialize with other people does not guarantee that one is able to buil…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 09:08 PM
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The majority of feminists favor sex positivity where it benefits them and only them. Of course, there are some women who identify themselves as feminists and are pro-prostitution, but most of those women are currently or are former sex workers themselves. Most female feminists do not favor prostitution and see it as exploitative of women. I am quite certain that they are aware that women still prostitute themselves illegally, but I am convinced that their fight against prostitution has less to d…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 08:52 PM
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That wasn't the hoops he was talking about.
/r/PurplePillDebate25/10/16 04:25 PM
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This is what you posted: How is not their fault for acting that way when they knew their male friends where interested in them? They knew the guys intention and they led him on. It doesn't matter if the guy is clear or not with his intentions. More so why should a guy have to suffer being led on even when he doesn't make his intentions clear? And then here you post: As I am not talking about a guy miscommunicating here but a woman intentionally leading on the guy, something you said was not her …
/r/PurplePillDebate22/10/16 03:24 AM
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One keep your panties on. Two I am saying it was a requirement as the expectations where such that if you didn't get a woman a drink she likely didn't talk to you at all. Making it a requirement more than an expectation. I don't think we're seeing eye-to-eye on the definition of requirement. When I am thinking of a requirement, I am thinking of something that is mandated, for instance, terms of a contract. Hence, I do not believe it was a requirement, because even if you don't buy a woman a drin…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 10:53 PM
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I'm going to clarify everything one more time. Even if a girl says she knows that a guy is 'into' her, if the guy hasn't once made his intentions clear, she cannot with absolute certainty confirm that he is actually interested in her. Does that make sense? I can say without a doubt that I know someone is interested me based on the way they behave around me or treat me, but I cannot with 100% certainty confirm that thought if they haven't told me they are interested. That is not leading a guy on.…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 10:46 PM
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If this whole discussion is about TRP, why did you make this statement: I don't think rich people are going to be going on the Internet for financial help You tried to disarm his analogy by relating it back to your main point, but it doesn't work. It doesn't matter if people go on TRP to read up on "advice". The main point is that sex is still important to the majority of men, regardless of whether or not they are getting none of it or a lot of it.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 05:40 PM
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Yeah, I agree. But the real world doesn't work this way. You're pretty deep into the waters of just world fallacy as you're making assumptions about my life experience. Also "agreeing to the terms presented to me"? Friendship is not a business contract. The way you're talking about friendship is very robotic. Unless you are offering a different opinion on what constitutes leading a person on, I don't see how you can view it any differently. You're claiming that you're leading him on because you …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 05:35 PM
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More like a requirement. What are you fucking talking about? I've dealt with your comments with great seriousness, but now you're telling me that it is a REQUIREMENT that men be expected by a woman a drink? It is an EXPECTATION. Completely different. Why? Do you not think some of those notions don't exist today? As there are women that still think men should buy them drinks. And other notions like how women get all entitled and such. Ya a lot of what TRP says is bull but not all of it. A lot of …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 04:23 PM
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I don't have to justify it. If a guy doesn't make his intentions clear, the girl isn't expected to do anything, especially if she isn't the one approaching him. If she knows that he's attracted to her, she is still only basing that on assumptions. You're missing my point entirely. Should she do something if she knows a guy is attracted to her, but she is not interested? Yes. But that is an ETHICAL concern. She is not OBLIGATED to do anything. Socially speaking, if a guy declares his intent, she …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 04:11 PM
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Fair enough. But it doesn't detract from my main point at all: men would be better served getting a clear rejection.
/r/PurplePillDebate21/10/16 04:08 PM
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Nope. I've turned down hot dudes who had dealbreaker traits. I'm limiting the scope on these rejections to initial encounters. There are simply too many other factors at play to discuss rejections that happen during courting. Yeah, tried this too. They keep trying. They are determined to be the best friend ever to prove to me what awesome boyfriend material they are, that I'll come around and see the light if they're the perfect friend. So if I take it at face value and accept this friendship, I…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:55 PM
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Because it is a definitive answer. If a girl tells a guy, "I have a boyfriend", it is still not definitive semantically, since it could either mean that she doesn't want to cheat on her boyfriend but is entertaining those thoughts, or that she doesn't have a boyfriend and is not interested. It is constructive because it establishes his position relative to her. Now he knows for a fact that she isn't interested, and she will never be interested. That means that he can move on (if he's not despera…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:49 PM
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How is not their fault for acting that way when they knew their male friends where interested in them? A similar line of questioning can be posed on those men: Why didn't you make your intentions clearer with the women you were interested in? Girls are smart enough to know who is interested in them. That does not mean that the guy they are talking about has made a move. Society does not expect women to approach men, and this is where you get the hang-up: men too shy or too afraid to escalate thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:46 PM
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It was an expected gesture in the past. Now all it is seen as is either weakness and/or shadiness. While I don't tell other people about anything from TRP, I do tell them that they should take all their pre-conceived notions about things and throw them out the door, especially things like buying drinks for girls.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 11:41 PM
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I'm going to guess you were not attracted to the guy at all. In which case, saying X,Y,Z isn't really conveying the message I was talking about. Completely shooting a guy down, is still constructive criticism, because then it establishes that that guy is something that you're not looking for. Like if a girl were to say, "I only like you as a friend and I won't ever see you as anything more than that." Being afraid of the backlash is not going to help things; in fact, it will only give people tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 10:03 PM
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And most rich guys who have trophy wives also hire prostitutes, but they need to have a wife so that they seem like the traditional marriage - it's for publicity and status. But the wife is expected to tolerate him hiring prostitutes in that case, and show the public image he wants her to show, so you can say that he's still in control of their marriage. That's if that is what he expects. If you're stating that as an assumption, I would agree that would be a likely scenario, but that isn't alway…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:50 PM
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I think we can both agree that both men and women will prefer something that benefits them. What I'm saying is that until changes are made so that everything is more equal, women will be more entitled and more cautious about giving too much in their relationships, and that's why nowadays we see more married couples keeping track and counting of what is owed to each spouse (ie, "husband didn't do the dishes today so he has to do them 2 days in a row" or "wife spent 50 dollars for her birthday sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:37 PM
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If she didn't want sex, she would probably just marry someone who can actually contribute something to the marriage rather than sit around and look good. No one said anything about her not wanting sex. But there's a real possibility that he could be withholding sex from her, and that is something that she wants. It's like with trophy wives, if sex was all that mattered, a man could go out and pay women to entertain him for the short term. He could probably even pay to keep them around for longer…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:26 PM
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Your argument above stated that men don't want to be the sole breadwinner - that can't possibly be the case if the majority of men in the past were the breadwinners of their families. Hence, the reason why things are changing slowly is because of changing paradigms. I came to the conclusion that you were expecting these changes to occur over night because you criticized men for not wanting to be the sole breadwinner. Realistically speaking, it's much more difficult for men to be the sole breadwi…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:16 PM
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Yes, in both cases, the wealthy partner is the one completely financially supporting their other partner. What you're saying is what people are most likely thinking - that whoever is the sugar daddy/mama, is paying the other person for sex. But that is not always the case. The wealthier partner is paying them to keep them around, but sex is not always on the table. Like you said: They are literally paying their spouse to marry them. But whatever arrangements they have in their marriage is at the…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 09:09 PM
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We're honestly no so far out of the 50's/60's/70's where gender roles were implicit but still very prevalent. We either have parents or know of parents who still operate under such pretenses (ie. both husband and wife may work, but wife may still take care of most of the chores). It is not a backwards systems; it was functional when gender roles were more significantly entrenched. Nowadays with both parents working, we are starting to see a growing shift towards the division of responsibilities …
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:52 PM
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No, it doesn't. That is what YOU are implying. All that a trophy spouse is a status symbol. Whatever pre-arranged conventions they have in their relationships goes beyond the scope of what it means to be a trophy partner.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:32 PM
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Sounds like a bar/club environment, where you'll either get guys who fold at the first sign of rejection or guys who will push on no matter what. If a guy is pushing far beyond your boundaries of comfort, I would suggest that you'd call a bouncer. They will almost always side with women. Personally, I enjoy going out to such places with groups of girls because they can easily get free drinks from saps, which they often end up handing to me. I know it's unethical, but no man should be buying a dr…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 06:30 PM
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She might get called a bitch. Hence, why I said, But I think that women are often more reserved when it comes to dealing out rejections because they don't want to receive any backlash and/or negatively impact their reputations. But more often than not, I believe constructive criticism would be accepted. For example, "Sorry you're not my type. I'm looking for X,Y,Z..."
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:58 PM
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House husband? No. Trophy husband? Yes. And that's only if she was attractive, made enough money to support both of us, and doesn't attempt to assert dominance over me.
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:56 PM
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Sometimes men get harsh rejections, most of the time they don't. I don't think women are harsh enough when it comes to rejections. But I think that women are often more reserved when it comes to dealing out rejections because they don't want to receive any backlash and/or negatively impact their reputations. Ideally, it would be a greater service to men to be honest to be clear and concise about things. Some women however seem to benefit greatly from leading men on. I knew some girls that knew t…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 05:53 PM
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And honestly, it's not wrong to feel that way. It is wrong, however, to directly harass somebody for sleeping around (which I hope you wouldn't be doing). Some people can't seem to wrap their head around this notion: I wouldn't mind having sex with women that are slutty. I can find them sexy sometimes. But would I enter into a relationship with them? No. That's a matter of preference. Some people believe this to be hypocritical because they don't believe that it is possible to hold two different…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 04:56 PM
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Except it only makes sense in that one particular scenario. It doesn't account for circumstances where a partner may call for a "break" so that they can have sex with another person without the guilt. On a different tangent, why would someone in their prime (ie. when they have the most opportunities for partners) not focus on a relationship if their objective was to find the right person? If someone had that many opportunities, male or female, and they were using those opportunities to have sex,…
/r/PurplePillDebate20/10/16 04:46 PM
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Not quite a fitting analogy. You're using goods that are seemingly necessities. Having all those extra partners seems to be more of a luxury than a necessity. But let's consider for a second that it is indeed a necessity. That would mean that a woman needs to have extra partners. For a man seeking a monogamous relationship, his best bet is not to take a chance on someone that may remain monogamous with him, especially if she would have considered having sex with other people a necessity. But if …
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 05:24 PM
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That's a possibility, but I'm more inclined to believe that feminism was a byproduct of capitalism, in an effort to destabilize the family unit.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 05:16 PM
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Re-read this paragraph from my post above: If she enjoys sex and she has that many partners... would it not make sense that she wants to have sex... with a lot of different partners? One may say, "Oh, each of those guys was bad at sex." To which a perfectly reasonable response would be, "Why did she never try to work at the sex with her partner?" One of my lines of reasoning does consider sex as a transaction, but to think that all I am implying in my argument is such, is a complete oversimplifi…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 05:10 PM
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MRAs try to reason with the feminists and other movements, trying to appeal their sense of equality, but failing to do so because men are not considered victims. I for one appreciate their efforts, but ultimately realize that their fight is a pointless one.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 05:05 PM
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The difference being that when women have a taste of a man significantly more attractive than themselves, they will continue to pursue such men up until the point that they get repeatedly turned away. In RP terms, when they are hitting the wall. It's a shame nowadays that we have the advent of things like Tinder and sex-positive movements, since all it really does is promote the chasing of top-tier men by low/mid-tier women. Everyone who isn't attractive loses, especially the men on the bottom.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 05:03 PM
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I agree with you Arch, but I think it is one step further. The guys who are entertaining thoughts of being in a relationship are likely going to take partner count into consideration. To be honest, I don't think most guys ever really bring up the question, "How many partners have you had?" Most would never think of it. However, they may be looking at other indicators, say if she was overly flirtatious, or has been known to have slept around, etc. That will usually turn off many guys who would be…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 04:54 PM
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The problem is that most women only know how to whip a man into servitude. Most do not know what it takes to become men, so they'd rather take a "complete" project and take over ownership from there.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 04:44 PM
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This is very silly, woman are perfectly able to have flings without wishing for commitment, this idea that women only ever have sex with the view to bagging a man is redpill beta solipsism. That's why it was listed as reason number 3 whereas reason number 1 was that she enjoys sex. I don't doubt that women can enjoy sex, but if she had that many partners not because she enjoyed sex but rather because she couldn't stick a partner, then it goes back to my reasoning.
/r/PurplePillDebate19/10/16 04:40 PM
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It's not corny; I can understand where you are coming from on this. There are indeed men out there who see women as nothing more than mere vaginas. But for the most part, I believe that many men are capable of separating sex as an activity and women as people. Porn for some men may satisfy a desire for dominance over women, but the average man is likely just feeding his primal urges. Somewhere, someone knew that porn would be enough to help men masturbate and get off... and then it became a prof…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:38 PM
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Porn distorts things for people from reality. If we look at men's interests for example, female pornstars typically overact in their videos. The moaning, the sex acts, etc. are not very likely to be representative of the sex that men have with their partners. A lot of men who are in relationships would probably like to have this wild, energetic sex with their partners, but they're most likely afraid to tell their partners, "Hey this is what I would like to try". What that will usually do is gene…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:08 PM
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I am not interested in men so I do not take it into much consideration. Women are at liberty to make the same judgments about men. In fact, I personally believe it would be quite beneficial to do so... but it would seem like many women don't feel the same way I do. My overall thoughts on this? I don't believe that men who have have had a lot of partners are likely to have the same implications. I believe it comes down to pure horniness for a lot of guys. I am holding both men and women to two di…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 10:01 PM
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Illogical indeed. But he'd rather have her companionship than test the market. I'd suspect this is true for both men and women, but the thing about some of these men is they would rather have her companionship than not. A lot of men who end up leaving their partners for another woman tend to see the "grass greener on the other side" but ultimately find that their new partners don't match up on the level of companionship of their former partners. I think the misconception here is that you think t…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:42 PM
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To simplify it further, a guy would be doing it as part of his "responsibility". A chore. He wouldn't be doing it because he wants to but rather because he feels that he is obligated to.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:17 PM
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In my opinion, I don't believe a guy could be sane if he was constantly thinking about sex and was unable to get it. If he had a girlfriend, he COULD just have sex with her, but it would feel like too much work to do it, especially if he wasn't too attracted to her. That's why a lot of men turn to other hobbies or distractions to keep their horny thoughts in check. In fact, some of these other distractions could be pornography.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:10 PM
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I know you may disagree with me, but I believe that that feeling of "love" is synonymous with attraction. I don't believe that such women an unemotional/stupid; in fact, I believe they are very emotional. Much so to the extent that everyone of their past partners that was memorable has had a profound impact on her being. That would factor greatly into how her future relationships plays out. If I was to objectively look at this, the first thing I would ask is, "Why does she have so many partners?…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 09:02 PM
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Absolutely. When a man or woman approaches another person with interest, they are doing so because they find that person attractive enough. Before even speaking to the person, we get to see what the other person looks like. They must be physically appealing enough for a person to escalate things further. A lot of people try to downplay the importance of looks, but they factor a lot into matchmaking. One person's ugly, may be another person's beauty. Likewise, a person's standards may change over…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:40 PM
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That's one perspective, but here's another: Some men may value sex in that they believe it is symbolic and representative of an activity that two people who love and care about eachother participate in. If a woman has had sex with many other guys, it loses that specialty. To you, it may be trivial, but to some guys, it's a significant thing. On a side note, I didn't grow up being taught that it was wrong for women to have many partners. The only thing I was ever taught is that cheating on a part…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:32 PM
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Logically yes, but we all know that isn't how it works. The reason why a lot of women pursue those players is that they have traits that are desirable. Most women believe that they can change a man, and they would much rather try to reform a bad boy than a dork. The irony is that the dork, if given the proper direction, would soon enough reform himself to meet her expectations, moreso than the badboy would become caring and tender. At the end of the day, none of this is going to change, because …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:21 PM
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Most guys are usually horny. If a guy isn't having sex as often his partner would like or he's being dodgy, it would usually stem from a lack of attraction. Of course there are guys with low libidos, low testosterone, etc. but in general, what you tend to see is that guys become complacent. They're good just being in the relationship and not worrying about having sex, but realistically, if a hotter girl came along, he would likely entertain thoughts about having sex with her. One very plausible …
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 08:13 PM
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I get your point, sexual chemistry wouldn't be the right term to use. But at least we both have a consensus as to what a deadbedroom is about.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 06:24 PM
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The description from the subreddit: A support group for Redditors who are coping with a relationship that is seriously lacking in sexual intimacy. Advice is always appreciated, just don't be surprised if we've heard it all. Now I know that we are all probably picturing the extremes, but I think we can all agree that a deadbedroom would only be considered such if it was a state was transitioned into after a state of plentiful or more sex.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 05:02 PM
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Which is pretty fair. I think the corollary of my statement would be that a majority of men aren't having sex with their wives because they are not attracted as well. From what I've read of those threads in that subreddit, it would seem the number one problem described by women is that they do not feel appreciated for their body or desired. It sounds like a clear case of lost attraction. Especially true if sex was plentiful before. I'm very likely an outlier on this, but I am in a relationship w…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 04:59 PM
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A deadbedroom would be one lacking in sexual chemistry. Hence, a partner who may or may not be getting the amount of sex that they want and not just necessarily a relationship where this is no sex at all. Given that scenario, I'm quite certain the amount would be higher. Probably not as much as 50% of all marriages, but a fair amount. It might be skewed too if one partner believes that they can live with the amount they are getting (because it doesn't accurately reflect their desire to have more…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 04:46 PM
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Not necessarily, there's a cost benefit analysis happening. One in the hand is worth two in the bush. Likewise, a 3 year stable and good relationship is worth more than a maybe guy over there. It's a big deal to women to give up a relationship and start from scratch, its giving up years of peak time. If she's going to jump ship, he doesn't just need to be better, he needs to be 6 years worth better (3 for the time spent with current boyfriend and 3 spent 'catching up' to her current level of com…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 04:40 PM
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That's unfortunate. I would assume that the number of deadbedrooms is significantly higher though, of which this may be a contributing factor, but not wholly representative of the majority of such circumstances.
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:35 AM
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It's like my body was trying to preserve the relationship by shutting down the sexual response rather than focusing it on someone else. When you say "to preserve the relationship" are you saying that the relationship was already in turmoil? So while he was physically attractive to you, the relationship was falling apart in other areas. As you mentioned earlier, he was failing your tests. Do you agree with me then that there is more to attraction than just the physical aspect of a person? I don't…
/r/PurplePillDebate18/10/16 12:32 AM
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How often does PND occur in people?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 11:49 PM
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Depends what you mean by this, physically attractive? He was at tip top shape. Attraction isn't just physical. A man can very fit and well-toned, with a chiseled jaw line and eyes to die for, but if he has a passive personality with very effeminate values, it would turn women off in the long run. My point with regards to you is the point at which your partner was no longer attractive to you. While he was still attractive to you, you might have been have sex with him, you might have not. In the l…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 11:46 PM
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There is a good reason why women don't want to tell their boyfriends/husbands that they outright do not want to have sex: they are afraid that it will throw the whole relationship into disarray. It could be projection. A lot of men (especially those that are lacking opportunities) have been shown time and time again to put in the work to please their partners. If they are told that they aren't doing enough to warrant sex, there's a pretty damn good chance they will do whatever it takes. But ther…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 11:12 PM
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I mean, it's not like I locked myself in a room the entire time we were together. I was around other men, I saw them everyday day, worked with them, went to class with them. No other man caught my attention because at the time even if an Adonis came at me, no amount of pretty was worth more than my relationship with my BF at the time. They were asexual blobs as far as I was concerned, and I think to some extent they saw that from me and shied away. Once that relationship was dissolved, it was an…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 10:42 PM
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If what you are saying is true, we can rule out any side effects of having a low libido. What you did mention that sticks out: ... I threw shit test after shit tests at him that he would fail, attraction lost. But... Warm fuzzies remained. I didn't want to be with him, but I didn't want to be with anyone else. He was losing the attraction that you had for him. The problem with being in a committed relationship is that problems are magnified. In a no-strings attached FWB type of arrangement, prob…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:24 PM
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And do you have a promiscuous past? How would you describe your libido? You mention that it was a complete sexual shutdown. What in your opinion prompted that "shut down"?
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 09:02 PM
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There is a pretty good reason why a lot of marriages are sexless: the majority of women in these relationships don't want to have sex with their husbands. There could be any number of reasons why they don't want to do it, but the fact is, a lot of those same women still want to have sex. Some people do indeed get too tired to have sex, but many people do not. To say that peoples' new found obligations are preventing them from having sex is folly: you were likely to have been equally as busy in t…
/r/PurplePillDebate17/10/16 08:36 PM
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That's a perfectly reasonable mentality to have if you don't complain about the backlash you receive as a result of it. The better thing to do instead of conceal is to convince people otherwise from a perspective that makes you come off as neutral. People like Black Phillip incorporated RP methodology into their humor without having the need to mention anything RP related (terminology or otherwise). But if at the end of the day you want to spread the word, then you are free to do so. It is simpl…
/r/TheRedPill17/10/16 05:42 PM
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Correct. Even the most aggressive of women still prefer men who are more dominant than they are.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 10:59 PM
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The people who put themselves out there are getting more sex more often. The people that are introvert and don't prefer to get out are getting less sex or none at all. Overall, the medium for hooking up has expanded greatly, hence, there is more sex overall since hooking up has never been easier. But there's also likely to be less sex or no sex at all at the opposite end of the spectrum. Likely to more people at that spectrum than before too.
/r/PurplePillDebate15/10/16 02:21 AM
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That has got to suck. But RP's solution seems to increase hunger, and make it hopeless. I hope it gets calibrated. It definitely does, but it looks to the long term. Invest in yourself now, so that you can reap the dividends down the line. Could be as short as half a year, could be as long as a few years, or maybe it never comes to fruition. Some men simply never get to the level they envision. But the alternative for these men would be to lower their standards and be with a woman they not feel …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:50 PM
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A oneitis is very much similar to wanting to settle down, but it is fundamentally different than needing to settle down. A oneitis is simply a condition wherein one person feels like another person will fill their void in its entirety. Complete enamoration. So later in life, when somebody wants to settle down, they can still be afflicted by oneitis. If they need to settle down, then it's a different scenario.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:45 PM
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There are indeed differences. A lot of women who tend to say there aren't any good men out there, are often dating men who present with the "bad boy" stereotype. These are often better looking men with masculine traits/personalities, but are not likely to commit. The problem is that most women who enter into a "relationship" with these guys think they can tame these men, but they end up failing and complaining about it. Men are often to fail too and complain about it, but the difference is that …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 11:06 PM
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It's called adding oil to the fire. A lot of his opposition already has a reason to hate him, now they're using these incidences as evidence to detract from his reputation. There were many better reasons as to why he would have been unfit for presidency, but they chose this to unseat him because frankly it's easy. Why do you suppose RP people get attacked so often with labels such as rapist, rape apologist, sexist, misogynist, Nazi, etc.? Because people hate all of those things and it's far easi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:31 PM
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From what I've seen of gay friends/acquaintances/coworkers? Yes, but often later in their lives (late 20s onwards). In the gay world, sex is often quite abundant if you're average looking or better. Overweight and/or ugly gay men still have sex but not as frequently. The thing about gay people and sex is that it is rampant. I've known a lot of gay men who have extra partners beyond the ones they are in a relationship with. When a lot of gay guys are young, they're primarily interested in the sex…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:20 PM
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Article here Only 36% of the boys polled stated they were not interested in sex. I'm not sure how reliable the sources are on Wikipedia, but it states that women in Japan typically want men to provide for them. They want men with very lucrative careers. On the flip side, men in Japan seem to encounter a lot of independent women, and it does not seem like they are interested in such women. I would imagine there are key characteristics about domineering, career women that turn men off. If you've e…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 10:15 PM
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The insecurity will definitely kill the mood, but think about it this way: the average male penis length is about 5.1" based on some studies. That is just length alone, it doesn't take into account girth. Quite a bit of women have had a fair amount of partners, and so they usually know what it is that they're looking for that will optimally satisfy them. In my experiences (I'll use college as an example), most of the women I've ever talked to or had sex, they usually misreport how big the penise…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 05:54 PM
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If she isn't pushing for sex, then I'd agree with you. But frankly, that all seems very deceptive. If my partner wanted to know how big my penis was to see how compatible she was, I feel like she deserves to know. It would be completely selfish of me to hide that fact, even if I think it may be to my benefit. Besides that, after she sees it, if it's not to her liking, she'll be disappointed and her 6 months will have been wasted. That's no way to go about a relationship on good faith.
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 05:23 PM
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The original metaphor: In a similar fashion, if a guy is walking down a bad neighborhood with his phone out or is flashing some expensive jewelry or nice shoes.... there's a higher chance he will be victimized. Not saying that person deserves it nor that the person who robbed him isn't guilty, but if you dangle a piece of meat in front of a lion, it is going to reach for it. You're under the impression that I'm saying that men are lions, but I'm not. The lions are the rapists. The rapists in thi…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:48 AM
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If you're a man, the things that play against you are being short, having a small penis, being overweight or having an ugly face. Women may settle for short men, but most women will want a man that is taller than she is. Being overweight is often considered unattractive, but if you're 6'0" feet tall and overweight, such a guy would probably have equal or better odds than a short man. A guy with an ugly face can redeem himself by having a well-toned body. If you're a man with a small penis, you c…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:36 AM
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Even if you don't want to bring this down to a sensible level, I will explain this to you one more time in a civil manner. Explaining why someone does something, even if that someone is a rapist, does not translate to condoning what that person does. There is always an explanation for why someone does something. Is it acceptable that a rapist does what he does? No. But can it be explained? Yes. In laymen's terms, the metaphor was to point out that rapists will rape because they want either sexua…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 07:12 AM
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You don't even understand that I am talking about the mentality of those men that choose to rape. Not once did I condone their behavior. And rape apologist? Really? The fact that you think I don't hold rapists accountable for their actions is absurd. You toss around your labels like you are the moral authority on everything, yet you speak only with your emotions. You don't want to help women empower themselves. You simply just want to point the finger at ALL men when a single man does something …
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:46 AM
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It's not victim blaming at all. Victim blaming is saying that they deserved to get raped for wearing provocative clothes. Most people are not saying they deserve it, but could it have contributed to the result? Absolutely. And the thing about men is, yes not all men are lions... but when push comes to shove, a man definitely has the potential to turn towards his primal tendencies. The lion may not necessarily eat the meat dangled in front of it, but if it is hungry, it will eat it. A man who cho…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:24 AM
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What's stupid is denying the fact that it even happens at all. People DO have a choice over what they do, and unfortunately some men choose to rape. Honestly, why do you think there are school shootings? What choices do you think those students made when they shot up their schools? When people are pushed to their limits, they crack, and others end up paying the price for it if they decide to take their anger out on others. We have laws against murder and rape, yet we still have serial killers, k…
/r/PurplePillDebate14/10/16 06:02 AM
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And what about the other statement?
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:58 PM
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Except that responsibility is expected of the driver to not be intoxicated, yet no responsibility is expected from an intoxicated individual. I get your point about sex being illegal with an incapacitated person and that charges would never really be filed outside of a college campus, but that's where the problem starts. Students are screwed out of an education and a future because colleges, public ones mind you, feel the need to dictate rules about sex and alcohol. Instead of demonizing sexuali…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 08:31 PM
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Purposely getting someone drunk is morally reprehensible. But if they get drunk of their own volition, that would be upon them. Not saying that people deserve to get violated for getting drunk, but if it is understood that alcohol lowers one's inhibitions, then it's fair to say that two inebriated people may be more influenced to do things that would not do on an otherwise normal basis. What makes no sense is that we have laws that punish people for driving intoxicated, but we also have laws tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 04:34 PM
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It isn't a tall order, but if a man is going to rape a woman, he is going to do so regardless. But the primary message that I was trying to convey wasn't about rape, but rather that men are likelier to approach a woman wearing something appealing versus something unappealing.
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:16 AM
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Why do you think men ought to respond aggressively to passive behavior? It's not just about women, but people in general. Matters such as flaking are not exclusive to women, but when it comes to flaking on dates and what not, it has a tendency to occur more in women than in men. Calling out someone on their BS is not about putting people in their place. At the very least, it shouldn't be (but maybe some people have an authority complex). The idea is to set people straight; if a person frequently…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:11 AM
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You might have noticed I said it was mainly young white guys who did this. I have always lived in mostly white/Asian neighborhoods myself, the only difference was it really ramped up in college where the demographics shifted younger. Fair enough. Do you find in some areas it's mainly men being harassed by women? If not I would say this behavior is tied to toxic ideas of masculinity. In most areas, harassment is most likely to be perpetrated by men. In some places like Hong Kong, women have a gre…
/r/PurplePillDebate13/10/16 07:03 AM
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How do you know, have you researched for yourself? Every girl I knew in college had experienced it at least once, and most of them had it happen frequently enough to develop a bitch shield in public. No, I haven't researched it myself. I don't deny that it has happened to a lot of women. But are we taking into consideration the location it has occurred in or the circumstances? If you walk down a predominantly black neighborhood, black men are likely to be more aggressive and will catcall women m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:52 PM
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I agree with you wholeheartedly, but people seem to be coming at this topic from the perspective of, "It doesn't matter what a woman does, she shouldn't be approached at all."
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:18 PM
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I didn't change the subject. The analogy was indicating that likelihood of something happening to someone based on extenuating factors. The original topic concerns women getting approached based on what they wear. My example is an extension of that idea that what you wear may contribute to what happens to you. The focus is not on victimization.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 10:16 PM
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In your opinion then, is this a frequent occurrence? Does it happen everyday? Is it different men catcalling you? I don't deny that it happens (catcalling, sexual assault, etc.), but for the cases where it does happen because it is intentional, I'd believe the number of cases is relatively low. This does not mean that I am dismissing it as a problem, but so far, the only sentiment I've gotten from people proposing a "solution", is to "teach" all men not to do these things. In any given day, a wo…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 09:19 PM
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I agree with you and understand where you are coming from. It is frustrating, but I suspect that most people were like my old self - ignoring the bullshit or playing it off as if it wasn't a big deal.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 08:22 PM
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That may be true for sexual assault, but if we're talking about being approached, it would make sense logically. A woman may be perceived less attractive when wearing sweat pants and a hoodie than when say wearing a dress or shorts. Sexual assault has many different implications. If we're talking about men getting sexual gratification and doing so forcefully, then I'd agree with you. But if we're talking about sexual harassment, which is a lot more common, then I'm inclined to disagree.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 08:20 PM
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This is correct. On a side note though, passion and intensity are more likely to come from anger than from sadness or neutrality. Some women may mistake the aggressiveness in bed as passion and/or intensity, when it may just be anger/bitterness.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:41 PM
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Bingo. Women want to wear even the most provocative of outfits, but they want to be safe doing so. No one is saying they deserve being victimized by men, but if it happens, there's a reason for it. In a similar fashion, if a guy is walking down a bad neighborhood with his phone out or is flashing some expensive jewelry or nice shoes.... there's a higher chance he will be victimized. Not saying that person deserves it nor that the person who robbed him isn't guilty, but if you dangle a piece of m…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:36 PM
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I can see this to be the case if somebody is bitching at you or aggressively mistreating you. But what about in passive instances? Say for example, if someone is flaking on you, and you know the reason is BS but they aren't being blatantly disrespectful? Let's say you do have BP values. So you are most likely to call this kind of person out on their BS. But do you really believe that most other people will act the way you do? I tend to see more men with a passive approach to things. So even if a…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:20 PM
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One of the tenets of RP philosophy is outcome independence. It's basically going in to an interaction understanding what you want, but not reacting to a given outcome. It's definitely difficult for many people to grasp, but it is intended to help people approach things systematically. It's very much similar to what you stated, although with purpose in mind (ie. a guy will approach a woman with the intent of getting her to go home with him, but will be indifferent to the outcome). I think this is…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 06:09 PM
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Here's the thing, yes, BP men are approaching women for their companionship and likely more. They don't necessarily have to approach it in the same matter as a nice guy, to have the focus primarily be on women. It is in the approach. BP men are not likely to neg a girl or to view the remarks that women make as possible shit-tests. They'll see this as uncouth behavior. RP would view it as building attraction.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:46 PM
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Going to disagree with you there: women who are assholes get called out all the time, it's just usually by other women. Men let women get away with murder, especially pretty ones, and that's why a lot of those women surround themselves with thirsty guy friends because they "hate drama." I don't disagree that there are men who do call out women, but for most men who tend to BP values, that isn't likely to be the case. To correct my statement, I don't believe that it is likely that she will be cal…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:20 PM
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Even if the woman is an asshole, I'm disinclined to believe that she will be called out for being an asshole. You may just ignore them, but ultimately, you're not going to yell at/chastise them for their misbehavior. Also, I don't see how the statement, "We don't psych ourselves out over a pretty girl", is relevant. A guy may treat a pretty girl more favorably, but that's not what is intended in what I presented above as my perception of BP philosophy.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 04:49 PM
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Of course BP men are approaching women for a reason. I was stating that the focus is on the women, not on the men. Core RP philosophy does not advocate using harmful techniques to get women. Some members will profess other tactics, but at its core, the idea is to make men feel unworthy and motivate them to become more desirable. Most men who are successful, regardless of BP or RP values, are successful because they are attractive. This does not mean they are all Adonis, but if they aren't that p…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:57 PM
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The difference lies within the approach to women. Core RP philosophy wants to focus primarily on what it can get from a woman, where that may just be sex, a relationship, or something else of value. What I perceive about BP philosophy, is that interactions with women must preserve their feelings and sensibilities. It's not about what a guy can get from a woman, but how a woman must be treated in all aspects. So while the two may coincide in beliefs, the approach is very much different.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:42 PM
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That is true. But more often than not, that desire for attention typically makes oneself more visible, as a byproduct. This not only applies to women, but to men as well. It just so happens that a lot of women are subconsciously competing with one another, to demonstrate how significantly more interesting or better their lives are. Not all women may post provocative pictures for attention, but many do. You'd have to ask yourself, why are these women doing so? Think of all the pictures that expos…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:38 PM
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One's personal experiences may give rise to their opposing opinion on a matter. If they feel differently than another person, they may make a claim based on those experiences, but that doesn't mean that they can absolutely declare a person as being wrong. Her statement would have been more credible had she qualified it by saying, "I don't agree with that because... (insert personal experience here)". Instead, she declared adamantly that OP was wrong. OP was wrong purely on the basis of her one e…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:24 PM
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Yes, but that's where they need to be called on out such biases as well. This is not about whose side you are on, this is about dissecting an argument and determining it's credibility. No one is saying that a Redpiller's anecdotal evidence has more validity than another person's. If they were to make such a strong claim based upon their once experience, it would be highly inadmissible.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:16 PM
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In a debate, once one party presents their arguments/claims, it's your job to debunk them through your own data or reasoning. Your experiences or my experiences alone would not be enough to substantiate such a strong claim. Had you said, "Well no, I don't believe that is true. In my personal experience...", it would have shed light on alternative perspectives and declared your stance an opinion, rather than declaring it as fact.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:12 PM
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That's your opinion. I trust my husband and he trusts me. You can call that dumb or whatever you want but we are very happy, regardless. That's great, but given the number of divorces in places like the United States, most people would disagree with you. Especially women given that they initiate divorces more often than men do. Now there may be legitimate reasons for the divorce, but it all ultimately boils down to one thing - the marriage has failed and there's no further desire to try and salv…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:09 PM
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It is indeed a scary thought. But the bar is set pretty much to ground with no-fault divorce. Most men are smart enough to either not get married or get married under optimal conditions. For foolishly, naive men who believe the marriage is something sacred, they will be picked apart by predatory women.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:59 AM
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I expect people to be more responsible for their decisions; if two people are going to get married, they need to be more considerate of all the possibilities that could or could not happen and make a conscientious decision from there. Now I know that is idealistic. The only reasonable alternative then is for the courts to establish rules to preserve the sanctity of marriage. If a person wants out of a marriage because they aren't happy and don't want to fix the relationship, then there should be…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:56 AM
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That's perfectly fair, so long as they aren't using their own personal experiences as the entirety of their proof. Empirical data and/or reasoning are valid and make a stronger case.
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 05:43 AM
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That's twisting my argument. I did not once state that women could just have children out of wedlock. A woman shouldn't just blindly trust a man, but at the same time, a man shouldn't blindly just enter into a marriage with a woman on the belief that she will remain faithful and won't give a hard time. You just provided more reasons as to why marriage doesn't make much sense for women - there's simply too much risk involved. People can't just trust one another, because trust isn't reliable. Henc…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 03:48 AM
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It is social etiquette for a man not to stare. If a woman feels unsafe because a man is staring, then she has every right to feel the way she does. But that does that necessarily entitle her to cause a public disturbance? No. I can tell men not to ogle at women, but that is missing one clear point: most men will never ogle at women. But that doesn't mean that ALL men will not ogle at women. Hence, it is an uncontrollable factor. Having said that, if a man is doing nothing else but staring at a w…
/r/PurplePillDebate12/10/16 12:02 AM
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Go back to the original comment in this chain. We are discussing whether or not a woman should or should not yell at a man if he ogles her. We are NOT discussing whether or not a woman should or should not wear revealing clothing. You brought that into this chain of comments for whatever reason, but that is not what is being discussed in this chain of comments.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 11:40 PM
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Are you fucking kidding me? Do you even understand what CAN means? She CAN do anything, whether she gets judged for it or not is another story. Why is it so difficult to differentiate that from SHOULD? "SHOULD" is a MORAL judgment. SHOULD does NOT imply CAN'T. "You can steal things, but you shouldn't." And lastly, I did not fucking say a single thing about harassment. I was responding to SkinnySweaty's claim that it is acceptable for women to yell at men who ogle at them. I did NOT reference OP'…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 10:43 PM
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That was one of the most conflicting comments. "We're talking about what's acceptable for WOMAN not MEN" "But woman can do whatever they want" Well obviously they can't? Coz there's this whole thread dedicated to how woman shouldn't wear revealing clothes lol Are you kidding me? You say it's conflicting because "they obviously can't? Coz there's this whole thread dedicated to how woman shouldn't wear revealing clothes", which explains nothing about how it is conflicting. I explained to you what …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:30 PM
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I agree with most of your points, but I personally believe that a better system would be to deny the party that wishes to divorce for no legitimate reason other than, "I'm not happy", any settlements. Marriage as it is currently is a complete fucking joke and needs a serious overhaul. It worked in the past when as you pointed out, there was a disparity in incomes and gender roles were more well-defined. But it absolutely makes no sense for people to get married nowadays, and there's little incen…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:15 PM
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Every time someone makes a claim that someone is wrong, they have to substantiate their argument with evidence that is not rooted in their own personal experience to eliminate bias. Simply saying, "I am the opposite", is not satisfactory. It only serves to set you apart from the claim, but it doesn't apply to the overall population.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:09 PM
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She could in theory, but she'd have to prove it in court. Most people that lie in court tend to have a lot of trouble keeping their stories consistent. In a no-fault system, it matters fuck-all who did what. She can divorce a man at any time, and assuming she makes less than he does, she will get paid out. And I agree that men are better off not getting married. But that is idealistic and there will still be men who want to get married, either because they think such a proposition will help lay …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:06 PM
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How so?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:03 PM
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It's a fair share for all parties involved. That doesn't prevent wealthy men from getting ripped off by women, but if we have the current system of no-fault divorce, men get screwed over regardless.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 09:03 PM
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Then I stand corrected with regards to that matter. What you meant to say was that you no longer use Facebook, but that you did at one point in time.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:16 PM
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Then your statement about never using Facebook is incorrect.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:10 PM
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I'm fully in support of alimony payments if No-Fault Divorce is stricken from the system.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:05 PM
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Based on a user's qualifications? Absolutely. She says that she has never once used Facebook but she still goes on the internet. Being female, that designates her as an outlier for her gender.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 08:03 PM
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Yes, she is a statistical outlier for someone who doesn't use Facebook at all.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 07:57 PM
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If you agree with that, then hiring a prostitute would be help improve your situation. Do you understand? What you are agreeing with and what you are denying are in complete contradiction with one another. If you believe that having sex will motivate you to do more to get more sex, then hiring a prostitute (getting a quick fix on sex) would motivate you.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 07:31 PM
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You can't make a claim that he is wrong and use yourself as an example when you are a complete outlier.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 07:15 PM
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Then you should not be agreeing with his statement.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 07:14 PM
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So what you're saying is that while you agree with that statement, it does not apply to you? How do you believe it will improve an incels situation to hire prostitutes, if it won't even work for you?
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 05:12 PM
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Yet most men will attribute the changes to just mood swings. They simply don't know any better.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 04:05 PM
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So then my statement wasn't conflicting. Otherwise you'd have understood what I said.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 04:04 PM
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Did you not agree with OP's statement: But if someone has no taste of the rewards for putting in hardwork, they have no motivation to put in the hardwork.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 04:02 PM
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If it wasn't more evident, Western cultures are very gynocentric. A lot of society, men and women alike, whether they like to believe it or not, tend to hold the notion that women can do no wrong and men are always at fault when things happen. Case in point, there is a video that has been online for awhile that shows the disparity between when a man is physically and verbally abusing a woman in public, compared to a woman doing the same to a man. When a guy is abusing a girl in public, people be…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:38 AM
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Where I live, if a girl knew she was attractive, she'd be playing the field to no end. Some were serial monogamists, others perpetually single and not "looking" (code word for being active on Tinder and elsewhere), and a handful in relationships. At first glance at the attractive women in relationships, you'd see that a girl was with a very attractive partner, so the pairing made sense. But most of these girls were dating very effeminate men. I knew some of these men were getting cheated on, so …
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:29 AM
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I've tended to observe that women fall off branches abruptly when a guy dumps them. Most of the women I've ever met that have dumped a guy, it was not long before they were into a relationship with another man. And in many of these cases, they were already interacting with these "other men" either verbally and/or physically. When it does end up abruptly though, a woman may attempt to salvage her relationship. When that fails, it definitely degenerates into a free-fall. It usually gets testy and/…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:24 AM
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They are mutually exclusive statements. Acceptable is a subjective designation, only intended to say what would be deemed appropriate. It does not signify what is allowable. Hence, women can literally do whatever they want, but that does not mean that others may not frown upon her actions. Everyone can perform any action so long as they are capable of doing so. For example, I can go into a bank and commit a robbery. But this is neither acceptable nor is it legal. And more likely than not, it wou…
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 06:18 AM
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As a matter of fact I am.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:58 AM
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When I was saying exception, I was addressing her claim that she was in a happy marriage. Not once did I state that women would not marry engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:58 AM
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What's flawed is that you're denying her all personal accountability. If a guy yells at her, then he is at fault. We are not discussing what HE should or should NOT be doing. We are discussing what SHE should or should not be doing, and what we perceive as being ethical/unethical. Frankly, she can do whatever the hell she pleases. But that is completely besides the point. Please stay on topic.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 01:56 AM
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Correct. That is when she is the least emotionally stable. That's why TRP uses the branch-swinging metaphor: women will hold on to a branch so long as there's no other branch higher within her grasp. An attractive partner represents a branch that is significantly higher than most other branches, but also significantly lower than higher branches that not within a woman's reach. Other branches may rise or fall depending on their availability and desirability to a woman.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:09 AM
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Not once did I say that women would not marry engineers.
/r/PurplePillDebate11/10/16 12:06 AM
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Congratulations, you're the exception not the rule.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 10:24 PM
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As much as some men would like to control the lives of women and steer them on a path that is favorable to them (the men), we can't help but realize that people are human. Much of what I have picked up on from TRP is the importance of personal accountability. TRP focuses less on the need for women to make better decisions in their life, and more on what a man can do to ensure that he ends up with the optimal outcome. Women will do what women will do. We cannot and should not control what women w…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 10:23 PM
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There's a huge stigma against Engineers. Notice that some careers like Doctor are very much STEM, yet there is no stigma against it. Most Engineers are seen as nerdy because they ARE nerds. It's a difficult field to be successful at if you aren't intelligent or if you can't grasp the subject matter. So it takes a considerable amount of work. But most women don't care about the work that is required of an Engineering student. All they know is, Engineers are nerds and most of these nerds are socia…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 08:36 PM
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I'll be honest, I've seen it mostly from White/Black women. You could tell by the way they were yelling that they were very aggressive individuals and "ghetto".
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 08:30 PM
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If it's so easy for you to hire prostitutes and you have trouble interacting women, what makes you think that your situation will improve? You're most likely going to go back to prostitutes every time.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 08:22 PM
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But if someone has no taste of the rewards for putting in hardwork, they have no motivation to put in the hardwork. The easy way out doesn't mean anything is bad for incels. Most incels have seen porn. Most men have picked up masturbation on their own. It's because of our biology that men have a desire to stick his dick inside of a woman. All an incel will ever know from having sex with a prostitute is that if he ever needs it, he'll just go ahead and pay for sex from a prostitute. If he is an i…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 08:20 PM
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I disagree. Prostitutes only make it worse for incels because they would be opting for the easy out rather than putting in the actual effort it takes to make themselves more desirable. It is a quick release much in the same way masturbation is. If they can settle for what is easy, what motivation will they have to do more with their lives? They would simply resort to prostitutes everytime.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 06:51 PM
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This is a complete shitpost. The notion that clothing is tied in any way, shape or form to sexual authority is absurd. Powerful people may wear a certain style of clothing, but it is not the clothing that makes those people powerful. Clothes are simply an accessory. In some cases such as burqas, it is tied to religion and is simply part of doctrine.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 06:48 PM
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While that may be true, a woman is more likely to drop her guard around an attractive man. When it comes to questioning intent, I've observed that attractive guys were given more of the benefit of the doubt. I've seen remarks that varied from, "I wonder why that guy was looking at me", to, "Why does that creep keep staring at me."
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 06:33 PM
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My response was to user SkinnySweaty, who said that "men should not be upset when they get yelled at for ogling women". Frankly speaking, women can feel whatever they want about a guy. They can look at a guy ogling them with disgust and show visible disdain/frustration. Yelling at them on the other hand (which tends to happen fairly often) is a different story. The other two acts do NOT generally involve others. Yelling is no longer restricting the interaction to just the two people involved. It…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 06:02 PM
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Correct, none of the things you mentioned is illegal, but OP also did mention yelling: Usually what happens is that she looks disgusted, gets upset, or yells at the man.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:51 PM
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I may perceive the stare down as a threat, but I would tread cautiously. If I am being stared down, it may be a threat or it may be disdain by the individual. Regardless, if they do not approach me, communicate with me, or gesture at me, I will proceed on my way, still being wary of that individual. However, I am not going to cause a commotion or try to stand my ground with an individual that is not showing any aggression. Why? For starters, it would be a nuisance to others. Secondly, if they ha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:49 PM
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If a man is simply ogling a woman and not trying to holler at her, he is not causing a public disturbance. If he is not following her or doing something else that may make her uncomfortable (ie. gesturing at her), then he is within reason. Even if it is a frowned upon practice, it is not illegal. Causing a public disturbance IS in some areas illegal, and even when it is not, it is now involuntarily involving other people.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:30 PM
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Interestingly enough, even though Spock is seemingly very logical and rational, his perspective bears resemblance to that of an idealist. Kirk's perspective reflects that of a realist: When push comes to shove, people are selfish and will tend to themselves first before they tend to others.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:24 PM
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A lose-lose situation: deal with the women you have, or try your luck to find a diamond in the rough. Honestly, TRP stresses that the best thing a man can do for himself is to invest in his own livelihood (physique, career, etc.) and to learn how to screen women more meticulously to get the most out of their interactions.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:18 PM
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People act in ways that suit their bests interests. More often than not, people tend to ignore the bigger picture when they feel their needs outweigh that of the many.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:14 PM
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The whole idea of finding a beautiful, lower-class woman in a third world country is mostly a pipedream. But it is undoubtedly favorable for men if they are primarily looking for women to either hook-up with or be in a relationship with.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:10 PM
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This is especially true of countries that have a higher murder rate than the US. Most countries in the world have a higher murder rate than the US and the UK. I don't disagree with this. I was reading a few threads on Roosh V Forum and other expat boards and they described physical or verbal confrontations with local men and the expats who experienced this seemed to be way in over their heads. Men, as much women, do not like it when their opportunities run out. If local men see expats coming in …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:07 PM
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On the contrary, I view RP as taking the blinders. You're more likely to incur pain when you accept some of the principles because it takes away a man's previous innocence. A man may have previously thought that he was just experiencing a string of relationships with bad women, but he begins to learn through TRP that he simply wasn't good enough nor was he approaching the relationships with the right mindset/mentality. TRP absolutely kills the notion of love and helps men understand that love is…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 05:04 PM
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I think the bottom line is that men need to understand that marriage is simply not beneficial the way it used to be. Men try to seek it in women they believe will be suitable for them, but fail to realize that unless they are living in the places where they found these women, they are destined to have an unhappy relationship. It is nearly impossible to find a beautiful woman who is pleasant with no, or few, character flaws. It's almost always the case that every such woman a guy has met has had …
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 04:59 PM
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There is nothing in TRP that says men have to be shit people - it just so happens that some members take it to the extreme. But frankly, I don't understand what getting jumped has anything to do with my response to your argument.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 04:53 PM
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Most men who come to RP started off as losers. They were losers before RP, and they could still very well be losers after it too. One thing is for certain, some of these men would continue to live a lie of a life without ingraining some of the principles learned in the subreddit.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 04:52 PM
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That is exactly it. She's using him as leverage to propel herself into higher ranks. And Hillary knows that if Bill had left her, it would have greatly undermined his status (given that he was formerly POTUS).
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 03:40 PM
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Your perspective makes sense if you're of the belief that most of these men are looking for quick lays. Honestly, I believed at first that most of these men just wanted to get their jollies off, but the reality of it is that most of these men are disappointed by the fact that most women in Western cultures have many issues that make it difficult for a man to want to commit to them. A lot of these men actually want to find a woman worth committing to. For all the talk of SMV/SMPs or whatever, yes…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 03:38 PM
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I tend to observe that regardless of the type of woman she is, a girl that has recently broken up, or as you said divorced, they tend to become extremely promiscuous and will hook up with anyone they can. That's usually when most guys who would have never had a chance, get the chance to shack up with her.
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 03:21 PM
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Once you got your style down, that is pretty much set. When you've set your grooming routine, maintenance isn't that difficult. The challenge for most men is to maintain the follow 3 things: (1) earning potential, (2) physique, (3) social status. Having a high mark in any one of those areas may exempt you from needing any of the other two. Most men however will need a balance of those three aspects. Now if we're strictly talking looks... if you don't have a masculine face or a pretty-boy face, y…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 12:56 AM
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What you're seeing on TRP is a lot of bitterness and frustration. Endless Field Reports about men and their interactions with women, or rants about men's rights, or attempted motivational messages telling people to go lift, not give a shit, etc. What you're reading is information presented in it's most raw, crude form. If you judge everything you read there literally, you're undoubtedly going to view it scathingly. I can't convince you to understand what TRP is about, but what I can tell you tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 12:42 AM
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If those numbers are indeed reflective of society, what that would most likely indicate is that a lot of these men are hiring prostitutes/escorts. You'd probably have a legitimate few men who are having sex with women without having exchanged any money. I have a difficulty reconciling the thought that on the average, the reported number of sexual partners is higher for men than it is for women... but in some ways it does make sense. In my personal experience, I've known a lot of friends/acquaint…
/r/PurplePillDebate10/10/16 12:31 AM
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The problem with statistical averages is that you'd have to take into account the outliers - guys who are having sex with many women. There are many women likely to be having sex with only a handful of men, but the majority of men are often devoid of having multiple partners. Most men will inevitably get married in their lifetimes and will have at least had sex with their current partner. But their partners will likely be women who have had sex with other men. A lot of women are not likely to en…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 09:14 PM
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The problem with rape accusations in Western cultures is that it often goes unpunished if false. The notion that society doesn't want to make it difficult for women to come forward is absolutely asinine. Each person in these societies is expected to be responsible for their own actions, yet if a woman lies, we declare that she is free of any and all such responsibilities. If we want to keep this system the way it is, the best way to safeguard ALL people involved is to ensure that nothing is leak…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:34 PM
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This is a silly question. It is infinitely worse to actually be raped. The problem is that there are far too many cases of rape presented in Western cultures. You've got too many frivolous cases, such as where a woman may try to contend that they have retroactively withdrawn consent after the fact. Or cases where a woman believes she has gotten raped because during the course of sex she does not consent to an act but does not say anything because she "freezes". I don't truly believe that a lot o…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 04:04 PM
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The average woman will have had more sexual partners than the average man. The average woman has much easier access to partners, given that if they use applications such as Tinder, their chances of finding an attractive partner to have sex with is significantly higher than that of an average man. Having said that though, the average man is more likely to hire an escort/prostitute to compensate for his lack of opportunities. That would mean that the numbers are bit closer than people would expect…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 03:56 PM
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I don't see how you can make the claim that it didn't take affect until the early 80s when it was ratified as part of the Educations Act of 1972. Title IX did NOT help more women enroll in college, it was used to address issues regarding athletics and sexual violence, hence gender disparities on campuses. The Civil Rights act of 1964 is what you are referring to as far as eliminating discrimination along gender and racial lines. While it is true that more women have enrolled in college than men …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 03:48 PM
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How about you clarify what your argument is? This discussion has been steering off tangent for quite some time now. You should summarize your argument and tie it all together.
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 03:31 PM
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Women confined to their gender roles is a non issue? Women confined to their gender roles was a non-issue within the past 3 decades. Women received the right to vote in 1920 and began working during war times in World War I. Title IX laws were enacted in 1975, well beyond the past 3 decades. Arguably yes. But even there look at the progress they have made. I mean both women and that blacks have made so much progress they are fighting for privileges over whites and that over men. I am not saying …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:37 AM
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These are your claims, directly from your initial reply: More so the more attractive a woman is the less likely men actually going to approach her. As men think she is actually taken already. If we are no longer discussing this point in this context, NONE of this matters. When I am referring to social media, I am tying it back to YOUR contention. When I state: If we tie it all together, what you are saying is that because there is such a huge pool of hot women, that large population decreases th…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:25 AM
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You do realize your looks emcompasses more than your physique right? As you got your clothes and body language playing a part. As how you present yourself is what matters more than anything. That is irrelevant to my argument. And for that matter, I said if he does not look good, which indeed already encompasses more than physique. We are basing "looking good" off the definition you provided earlier (styles, physique, etc.). You're trying to deconstruct my argument by attacking an insignificant. …
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:12 AM
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Even tho it hasn't. Yet again you're simply stating that it isn't without providing any other arguments or support for your claims. Would hate where you live. I am more using your own logic against you here really. Your debunking of my arguments is a logical fallacy. You're taking the literal message without understanding any of my points. You're stating that a girl that is 15 is ugly because she aged (per your argument against my reasoning), but you absolutely fail to take into account that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate09/10/16 08:09 AM
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This is your initial argument: More so the more attractive a woman is the less likely men actually going to approach her. As men think she is actually taken already. You made that statement in regards to my argument that the "more attractive a woman is, the less likely she is to approach men". Now this argument: Does it matter? But what makes you think I was talking abou less attractive women? I am talking about attractive women creating a larger supply of attractive women because more of them t…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:30 PM
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There was a stigma against women pursuing an education and/or a career back then, but as far as I know, there was nothing legally/physically preventing them from doing so. And while these changes didn't occur overnight, I would posit that in the past 3 decades or so, it was mostly a non-issue. Black people had far more restrictions on them as a group, what with segregation and all.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:20 PM
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Most men are simply trying to find their unicorn. Problem is, most men are not very good discerning troublemakers from the ones who have the most potential to become somebody more meaningful in their lives. If everyone with the same objectives were paired together in an intuitive fashion (family-oriented man with family-oriented woman, so on and so forth), we'd have fewer problems. Unfortunately you have a lot of the despicable types, such as the players. You have men that want to sleep with a l…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:13 PM
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I don't care about a woman's sexual history if I'm only considering sex. I am more concerned with whether or not she has a transmittable disease. I'm sure it would be nice to know if she is too loose (cue insults about penis size), but that's not typically up for discussion. Now if I was getting into a relationship with a girl... yes, I'd definitely want to know about her sexual history. If she was very promiscuous in her past, she would not be compatible for me. She would be better off with a g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 11:03 PM
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Wait, so who are the less attractive women competing with then? Even if we take the hot women out of the equation, for every hot woman, there would be a significantly greater amount of less attractive women. That would mean that that pool of competition is significantly greater.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:58 PM
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I don't think you quite understand. If a guy is disqualified because he does not look good, he has zero opportunities to get into a relationship with the woman. While it is likely true that a guy with no redeeming qualities is not likely to keep a woman entertained for long, there is still a possibility that he is able to keep her around. The ugly guy has ZERO chances because he has already been disqualified. At some point though, that ugly guy may find a woman who is willing to settle for him. …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:56 PM
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More like women are more free of their gender roles and that aren't forced to be dependent on men anymore. I agree that women aren't required to be as dependent on men as they used to be, but gender roles were never an explicit thing after the women suffrage movement. Income disparity is nearly non existent. And women are slated to make more than men as a group because they are more college educated than men now. Which further contributes to the lack of desire for women to settle down. If a woma…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:52 PM
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Most of your arguments against me have been along the lines of, "You're wrong." We cannot debate if you are simply going to say that I am wrong without justifying why you believe that I am wrong. I am not going to have this devolve into a Hillary vs. Trump debate. Or because they grew up ugly but then became attractive overtime. You going to show signs of aging no matter what. By your argument a 20 year old woman is ugly because she aged. And an 15 year old girl is now ugly because she aged. The…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:48 PM
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The reason why I consider the analogy poor is as you have pointed out - ALL drivers have the potential to create an accident. That is the ONLY thing that is comparable between all drivers. There are absolutely no other parallels. AWALT is collection of tendencies based upon what is understood about female biology, behavior, etc. AWALT doesn't simply say, "All women have the potential to be bad." We can identify all the tendencies that are outlined by AWALT, based on what we objectively understan…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:41 PM
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A primary reason for women to settle down was to increase their income potential. In the past, women weren't making as much as their male counterparts. Nowadays, the income disparity (when all factors are accounted for) is about $0.91 to the dollar. The women making 20k$ a year in the past would have been delighted to marry a guy making even double what they were making because it would have enabled them more buying power. Nowadays, you've got women making as much as men do. So in truth, women d…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:37 PM
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To some extent, yes. AF/BB has warped lately but the dual mating strategy is still prevalent. Lots of young women using Tinder nowadays believe they can have fun without really worrying about settling down. They all mostly start to settle down when they are in their late 20s/early 30s. Most men who do settle down nowadays are essentially beta bux. They've set themselves up for a long stable career, but without really looking for a partner. Correction, they've all been looking but with little to …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:33 PM
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The unifying point for drivers is that they are all drivers. There are few similarities between drivers if any. Drivers could be passive and/or aggressive. Drivers could have received their education from all different parts of the world. Drivers could be female or male. So on and so forth. There are no tendencies that tie most or all drivers together. If you were going to average all the characteristics of drivers across the world, you'd find that your data points are all over the place. But th…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:05 PM
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Saying older men implies an actual age gap. Being 5 or less years older doesn't really count as being older man. Its nearly the same age. That's highly subjective. If we are looking strictly at the definition, a man who is 5 years older than a woman, is older than she is. There's a significant difference between younger men and older men. Your projecting your reality onto others. My experiences are anecdotal, but they are by no means a projection. If this is your only argument, there is no merit…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 10:00 PM
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Your whole argument is on "hooking" a woman. Can't hook a woman if she doesn't think you look good enough.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 09:56 PM
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I agree with that sentiment to some extent. In this day and age, with the advent of social media and what not, she can make herself more visible. On top of that, even though less attractive women may be approached more, it will be mostly noise to a lot of those women. They are getting approached... by a lot of unworthy men. That puts a damper on a girl. If anything, that's only going to encourage her to put herself in closer proximity to more attractive men. The attractive men are already chasin…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 09:55 PM
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All drivers does indeed imply some risk amongst ALL drivers, but it doesn't take into account the many different personalities and characteristics of all such drivers. Men tend to be more aggressive on the average than women when it comes to driving, so there's already a disparity there. The differences across genders, cultures, age, etc. is glaring when it comes to driving. The reason AWALT is stated in TRP is reflect on the commonalities of women and their tendencies. There are indeed differen…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 09:31 PM
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I see. Then yes, it's a terrible analogy.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 09:20 PM
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It's an analogy about rape culture. The problem is not that people aren't holding the reckless driver accountable, it's that they don't believe they should be concerned about their own safety whatsoever. In an idealistic sense, "If other people drive properly, then we'll all be safe!" The issue with the analogy is that there are any number of factors at play that could affect someone's driving (ie. sleep deprived, under the influence, road rage, bad car conditions, bad road conditions, etc.). If…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 08:57 PM
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It is easier to approach women who are looking at you with interest. If we're strictly talking about cold approaching, you're more likely to get shot down if you're approaching a group of women by yourself.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 08:44 PM
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Because I'm trying to have reasonable discourse with you and all you can do is laugh. So I am inclined to believe that you believe all men are cheaters because all the men you've encountered are cheaters. And FYI, I am a cheater. So I don't count myself in this. But the majority of men have few if any other options, hence, cheating is not a real possibility. Would they cheat if they could? Possibly. But since they don't have other options, we wouldn't know.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 08:12 PM
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I guess when your only sample size of men have all cheated on you, then that would be all you'd expect of men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:43 PM
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I don't expect anyone to be civil when they are being cornered. These debates can be civil and instead of insulting someone, for example, "What are you stupid?" they could instead be saying, "I don't know how you came to that conclusion. Could you elaborate further?" But then again, it's clear that some people don't wish to be civil.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:10 PM
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Indeed. I know there are many women who are doing well for themselves that don't need to do that, but for every successful women, there are many more that don't amount to much.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:06 PM
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Most men are faithful. You've simply disqualified most of them. Which is fine, but you're saying "men" when you're almost exclusively indicating men that you are attracted to, aka. men who are non-committal. I'm not telling you to go shack up with a loser though. You're simply generalizing the actions of a select group of men, to the entire male population. You're free to do so, but for the purposes of debate, you're way off the mark.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:04 PM
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Exactly, all your points are spot on. The problem is, a lot of guys who aren't well-adjusted tend to over-invest their time into work, hobbies, etc. So the problem for a lot of these men is that they let their extracurriculars define them. You're the exception and not the rule. I have seen far too many adult men who have promising careers, but they still spend a lot of their free time fully invested into video games.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:01 PM
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I would prefer it be about the latter, but it seems to be tied more to the former. It's funny because in many ways, women qualify men in a similar fashion to how companies interview potential employees. Much like women, companies don't care about your potential to be something greater, they only want to know what qualifications you have. If you don't have a certain skill, you're out. The same applies to being qualified by women. If you don't meet the expectations, you're out. Most women don't wa…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:55 PM
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Or, in other words, NOTHING makes a woman happy. She's gotta figure out how to "be happy" for herself. More women were happier in the past than there are in the present. They had less mobility in the past than they do now, but their lives had as much direction as they needed. They were happy when they found a husband who would be the breadwinner, and they could either stay at home or find a non-stressful job to contribute to the finances. Happiness meant stability. Nowadays, women have many more…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:51 PM
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Of note, a lot of women believe that sexual compatibility is critical to a good relationship. That's a perfectly reasonable metric to judge someone on; I mean, who would want to be with someone who is terrible in bed? In that sense though, sexual compatibility should also include partner counts and what not. I know why it doesn't, but most women will say, it's "none of their business!". Most women know that men will reject them if they find out about their promiscuity. So while women would rejec…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:40 PM
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I wish it was just revenge fantasy. Then I could write it off as a misnomer. Seeing other people's inboxes fill up with messages from old friends, I just laugh. My old self would have just qualified it as, "Oh hey look, an old friend of mine is reaching out to me!" There's nothing to gain from seeing these things, so it doesn't really serve as revenge, but a lot of it makes sense when my friends are now pharmacists, researchers, doctors, dentists, etc. (high paying careers).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:28 PM
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Before most people even have a chance to talk to one another, they will see eachother. If men can't surpass that first barrier, they will never have that opportunity to "hook" women. And that is the challenge that most men face: they are disqualified on the first impression.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:21 PM
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Correct, it isn't likely that a woman will pursue a man 18+ years her senior. But in general, most women under the age of say 35, have a stronger preference for men older than themselves. Whether that's one year or 5 years or 10 years, the concept is still the same: older men > younger men. That threshold changes after a certain age, when some women have the potential to have cougar-like tendencies.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:19 PM
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How old are we talking about here? A woman in her late 30s/40s may use online dating versus reconnecting with guys in high school/college, if she has no means of communicating with them. A lot of people in that age range are unlikely to have Facebook profiles, twitter, tumblr, etc. so online dating is a more effective platform for expanding their dating potential.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:15 PM
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If the former selves of these men were uncouth and poorly adjusted, they would be rejected by the young women of today as well. But that's not the point at all. The women that rejected these men previously in high school and college, as they all (both those women and those men) age, their dating pool changes as well as their opportunities. It is not uncommon for older women (think mid 30s) to try and reconnect with the guys they snubbed in high school and college, whom they have still kept aroun…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:08 PM
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Most want a man that like 2 to 5 years older. Not 10+ older. Nowhere did I state that older men meant 10+ years. Older men signifies men older than themselves, as compared to younger men. Quite the generalization. I'm not quite sure you're at that age yet. It may not be true elsewhere in the world, but where I am at, there are many men who have had old friends from high school try to reconnect with them. Not really. Your argument for this is...?
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:04 PM
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Yes but that gap qualifies as an older man. Nowhere in my previous argument did I state that middle aged men was what I was referring to. The delineation is that women prefer men older than themselves as compared to younger men.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:01 PM
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Fix it. You're arguing semantics. I already included the qualifier "tend" in the statement, so there is no need to include the word possible. Ya I disagree with that. More so the more attractive a woman is the less likely men actually going to approach her. As men think she is actually taken already. That is true and false. Most men well below her level of attractiveness will avoid approaching her, but there will still be many men who believe they are qualified to approach her (ie. wealthy men, …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:56 PM
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By definition yes. I never said it wouldn't bother them, I said that people reserve the right to their own opinions. So as long as people aren't lynching black people because of their racial biases, then it's fine. I'm Asian, I've heard endless amounts of "gook", "chink", "jap", etc. but at the end of the day, it doesn't mean shit. The words are only effective when I give meaning to them. I used to get angry at all these racial epithets thrown at me, but I realized that it was because I had a pr…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:53 PM
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As an Asian man, I face an undue amount of criticism, judgment, etc. pretty much constantly. All of it is simply words. Unless people are directly interfering with my life, it is simply words. I was taught the whole mantra of "sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me". I admit, it stung at times, but society is not responsible for protecting me from things that may affect me emotionally. They just have to make sure that I am not discriminated against in my academics/car…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 04:45 PM
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That is a cultural phenomenon. While you may disagree with it, they are passing on the traditions of their parents, and their parent's parents, and so on and so forth. If you're telling me that 15% of the population of obese people were still metabolically healthy, all that tells me is that the amount of people who will be unhealthy is still statistically significant. For every 100 obese people, 85 of them will go on to develop heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. I accept that the…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:54 AM
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Because it is far easier to generalize than to take personal accountability. The current mindset is simply, do I keep trying to win over a hot guy or do I settle for a loser? Most women (while still in their prime) would pick the hot guy any day of the week rather than try to turn a loser into a better looking guy. They don't want to win; they want winners.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:47 AM
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Your point earlier illustrates a critical dilemma: If I were a woman and I married a beta bux, he'd be loyal, but I'd be unhappy (in your words, a miserable shrew). If I married an alpha, he'd likely cheat on me, and would leave me for a younger woman when I get too old. But you'd rather have the winner rather than the loser any day of the week. You would rather try to tame the beast, than to build up the loser. With that mindset in place, you're bound to end up getting burned by the alpha... ag…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:43 AM
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“Healthy obese adults are far more likely to become unhealthy obese than [are] healthy or unhealthy non-obese adults, indicating that healthy obesity is often just a phase,” wrote lead author Joshua Bell of University College London to The Huffington Post. So while there are some "healthy obese" individuals, they aren't likely to stay healthy for long. Furthermore, the number of healthy obese individuals seems to be a "sliver" of the total population of obese individuals. If we are to give this …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 06:33 AM
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And I think that's a shitty thing to do - calling men dickless or tiny dick. It's a shitty thing to do. More so because men have very few other options other than surgery to change their disadvantage. Being overweight on the other hand... Try being a woman who has had a c-section and damaged her pelvis during pregnancy, has a baby and a toddler to look after, is not allowed to exercise, can barely leave the house due to sleep deprivation/pain/exhaustion. And then someone calls you fat. Its not g…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:56 AM
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If the fat acceptance movement was fully supported, you'd end up with a bunch of people becoming overweight/obese if their genetics weren't favorable. Instead of avoiding the shame and pushing for a weight loss and fitness movement, they'd rather people just accept obesity. There's just so many things wrong with that. On top of that, if we were looking at things pragmatically and from a financial perspective, obese people put a greater burden on the medical system with their health problems. How…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:52 AM
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In spite of it all, most of these guys will inevitably put more focus on things like work, hobbies, etc. without working on things like their style, physique, etc. They end going through much of life clueless, falsely guided by the notion that all it takes to get women is how you treat them and that if things don't work out it is because they are incompatible.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:46 AM
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It's the exact same reason why corporations are less likely to hire people with felonies on their record - it is often a pretty good indicator of potential risks. Compatibility is important in dating, but if we're talking about the next level, understanding a person's sex life is also crucial. You may not like the fact that a guy disqualifies you because he found out you had sex with a lot of guys before, but wouldn't it also be better for you to find a guy who is comfortable with your history? …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 05:43 AM
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It only proved to me that "nice guys" don't realize they're not getting girls because they're not attractive. Because the "Chads" are nice too. Exactly. No one is telling these guys, "Hey, you're ugly!" Imagine how much better off guys would be if the girls they encountered were honest? Guy: "How do I get women to like me?" Girl: "First off, you gotta not be ugly." Guy: "What makes me ugly?" Girl: "You dress like a dork. You smell bad. And you're fat." At that point, he's either going to continu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 03:10 AM
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Exactly! Don't judge for being fat. If people want to be accepted for being fat, they should learn to accept their stature themselves. Once that happens, it shouldn't really matter what someone else says because words are simply words, they only affect you when you let them affect you. Now if someone was being discriminated against for being fat, then yes, that's a different story. For example, if somebody refused to sell a ticket to someone because they were fat, then yes, that is a problem. Bu…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 03:02 AM
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For starters, these studies were conducted by researchers. The study by the OKCupid CEO is likely using data drawn from OKCupid, which is likely to be skewed by several variables (ie. who is likely to use OKCupid?).
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 02:48 AM
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Also true of a lot of men tbh. If a woman is hot they don't notice anything else wrong with her, and men are way more likely to go out of their league than women. The difference here is that a lot of the men who associate more with hot women are typically friendzoned. They typically don't get much from hot women other than a little bit of their time/attention. Their investment is superficial, whereas the women who get burned by hot men, are somewhat invested in terms of sex and emotions.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 01:13 AM
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Beating yourself up over being fat typically motivates people to do something about their excessive weight. The whole fat acceptance movement wants people to look at a fat person's other qualities, but in reality, it's more of an excuse to not be judged for being fat. If you are comfortable with being fat, why should you care if someone judges you for being fat? The answer to that is, they aren't comfortable with being fat. But they don't want to deal with the pain of being judged nor do they ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 01:11 AM
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It could be good or bad depending on the perspective. If you can be honest about your partner count, then all the more power to you. But what I tend to find happens is that a lot of women who sleep around have a strong tendency to conceal that history to their future partners. If you want to sleep around a lot, some people may judge you for it. And it doesn't simply apply to women, but to men as well. If you can be honest about your promiscuity, then it isn't a bad thing. If people don't want to…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 01:07 AM
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A lot of the examples I have seen where "nice guys" get angry at women after rejection seem to be coming from Tinder or other forms of social media. It's not surprising though, because it's far easier for poorly-adjusted men to be aggressive and violent when they are not face-to-face with a person or if they are not well-acquainted.
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:22 AM
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Totally true, but I just wonder why women are able to grasp it (usually) while men aren't? Growing up nobody ever told me I had to be hot to attract men, it was just obvious from how other people behaved. When you are constantly the center of attention, that is, when guys are consistently approaching you (or not), you get to develop a baseline as to where you stand in terms of attractiveness. Your friend who is hotter, gets more guys approaching her than you do. Hence, you can surmise that your …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/10/16 12:19 AM
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First, you just said that "you cannot make a red or blue choice", and then further in you mention that "the choice is what matters". The choice matters because there is an accepted connotation to it. Some choices will inevitably be more favorable in an RP scheme than in a BP scheme. Hence, the value judgment that is associated with it. Secondly, you believe that I think TRP is a religion. Nowhere did I state that TRP is a religion. There is no "truth" in any of these concepts, but rather, accept…
/r/TheRedPill07/10/16 12:07 AM
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Okay, that is probably true, but I still feel like most guys are able to understand "the women like these men because they're hot and put up with them being assholes" as opposed to "women don't care about looks and just want someone who is nice" or "women just want you to be an asshole regardless of everything else." But like I said before, I sympathize with the minority of people who have a hard time reading social cues. Most of these men are receiving a significant amount of influence from the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:56 PM
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You've got a handful of guys that will lash out at you when they reject you. The majority of guys who do approach you, don't seemingly lash out. And then the number of men who don't approach you at all is significantly much greater than all of that combined. When you only consider the guys who approach you, it will skew your proportions quite a bit, much in the same way where handfuls women may generalize negatively about men when they've had bad experiences with the few men they interacted with…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:44 PM
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I feel like most men are smart enough to know what a good-looking man looks like. As for social skills, that's another thing that most people generally have a decent understanding of, but I do sympathize with people who are on the spectrum or otherwise socially awkward and can't read cues as well. It's less about being smart and more of a lack of common sense. Good looking girls go after hot guys... why? Because they are hot! But from an early age, they get girls who complain to them that these …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 11:18 PM
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I have indeed heard guys complain about women when they get rejected. They are the exception and not the rule. The thing that is common amongst these men is that they are often poorly-adjusted. They lash out at women because they are communicating through a medium that allows them to be ruthless. Had they been communicating to these women face-to-face, I highly doubt they would throw these kinds of tantrums. I've never personally heard of a woman (either from the perspective of men, women or mys…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:42 PM
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Few people would consider a woman's preferences to be an injustice. The problem is not that women have standards, it is that most men are not aware of what is entailed in a woman's standards. Even at 40 though, a woman who isn't fat is still likely to have many more suitors than the average man. But many women complain that there aren't any good men out there, because they are comparing their current suitors to the men they had when they were younger. You're pointing out that a lot of men want w…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 10:09 PM
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You are taking the opinions of a small minority and trying to state that it is the opinion of the majority. It is not. Few people would consider a woman who turns down a man to be "bitchy" and "entitled". We can't stop them from believing what they want to believe, but that is not the opinion of the masses. Furthermore, without any examples cited, it is difficult to understand how you arrived at that premise.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:48 PM
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The metaphor very much relates to those choices. To say that there are no choices of either type is to not understand the metaphor. The disagreement is in what people consider to be RP and what would be considered BP. In your particular case, you are taking the metaphor directly from the Matrix, but that is not what the Red Pill is here. It is derived from the same concept, but it has an entirely different meaning than that of the movie.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/16 09:25 PM
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It is a generalization and isn't to be taken literally. These are abstract identifiers for matters that have a basis in real-life. Of course, the world is more gray than it is black and white, but that isn't the point. They terms are loosely applied to represent a collection of ideals.
/r/TheRedPill06/10/16 09:13 PM
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No one is disputing your first point. If it was as simple as that though, most men would be out lifting and working out to make themselves more physically presentable, but they aren't. I don't deny the human propensity to be lazy, but I'm quite certain if more of these down-on-their-luck men were properly informed about attraction, they would push themselves more to take the right steps. However, if they are being told that what makes men attractive is how gentlemanly they are, or how well they …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 09:09 PM
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Few if any of these men ever realize that attraction is critical in winning over women. On the other hand, when I've heard guys ask girls what they look for in a partner, the nice guy qualities are almost exclusively reiterated every single time. It never ceases to amaze me that guys would constantly ask girls for advice on how to attract girls... but logically it would make sense; if a guy wanted to know how to get women, the best place to ask would be women themselves correct? The problem isn'…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 08:12 PM
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If we cast the shaming language, he does have a point: these guys complain incessantly about something they simply don't understand. The problem is that these "nice guys"/incels are outliers. They are the exception to the rule: most guys are individuals who are absolutely clueless when it comes to attraction, but they are not the type to complain and/or be bitter about their lack of relationships. I have encountered the bitter nice guy in real life, but for every one of him, I've encountered may…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:41 PM
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The problem is that no one seems to quite understand where all this entitlement is coming from. A lot of these pathetic losers have been told time and time again, "All you need is to treat women with respect and be nice to them, and you'll find the one!"... eventually. Frankly, most of these men would be better off if they had someone to lay it on them straight.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 06:20 PM
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I'm not quite sure why you decided to justify yourself in response to this question and not the previous questions. In any case, you reported that you were in a 6 year relationship with an ex, and now you have been with your current partner for 24 years. None of that fits the description of serial monogamy: a series of short-term relationships. People may argue what does and does not count as a short-term relationship, but few if any people are going to agree that 6 years or even 24 years is sho…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:55 PM
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So you are saying that you have been in a series of short-term relationships?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:22 PM
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Petty insults aside, you do understand that that your situation does not match up with the definition correct? Why are you so adamant about identifying as such?
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:16 PM
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So are you declaring yourself a serial monogamist or are you saying you will try out serial monogamy if your current relationship ends? What you are currently describing is NOT serial monogamy. A serial monogamist is an individual who enters into a series of short-term "committed" relationships. Hence, that person will say they are dating a guy, but after a few months to even a year, they'll end up in a relationship with another person. Serial monogamist is never how an individual identifies the…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 05:00 PM
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Women are by far pickier than men and that is mostly because they have more options. The current meta is for men to approach women, and as a result, women tend to have many suitors. That of course doesn't mean that women don't approach men, but they are less likely to do so (the more attractive a woman is, the less likely she is to approach men). Most men will never know what it is like to have options. Most men will be fortunate enough to have one choice, if any. What ends up happening is they …
/r/PurplePillDebate06/10/16 04:36 PM
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What I was talking about was men who learn TRP and then try to spread the message to others. It has less to do with ego and more to do with people simply wanting to surround themselves with like-minded people
/r/TheRedPill30/09/16 08:12 PM
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It's his responsibility to watch out for his own livelihood. She may be a decent human being or a horrible monster, but it is his job to make sure that he doesn't end up with the latter. Even if she is a horrible person, it's stupid for him to believe that all people should be decent human beings. Such a belief does nothing to protect him from becoming a victim. The same applies to women who are victimized when they go out: those women are responsible for THEIR safety. Whoever victimizes them is…
/r/TheRedPill30/09/16 08:10 PM
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Because it's convenient, and he probably proposed to her. You're asking why she doesn't behave rationally... are you forgetting that she is female? Now, not ALL women will behave like this, but most will. The only time those women won't behave like this is when they have a lot to lose (potentially high value partner or few to no options remaining).
/r/TheRedPill30/09/16 03:26 PM
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Idk, maybe I'm wrong, but I just can't make sense of a woman being okay with her partner fucking other girls unless she's doing the same or using it to get leverage. She wouldn't be okay with her partner fucking other girls... that's why she was upset when she found out that he actually found someone. She was only thinking about herself in the equation when she opened up the relationship. She didn't really consider that her partner would find someone to have sex with. But as you said, she would …
/r/TheRedPill30/09/16 03:16 PM
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In her state of mind, she's under the impression that her partner is going to leave her. She did not expect him to be able to find another woman so easily. Most women who open up their relationships typically do so when they are tied to beta males, not top tier men. Hence, they already have the security in place, and they want guilt-free pleasure with other men. In your understanding of what is going on, you deny the commonality of women who feel like they are losing a grip on their partners. Th…
/r/TheRedPill30/09/16 07:44 AM
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It's a conflict of reality vs. perception. They agree with many aspects of TRP, yet they find that this ideology isolates them from the rest of society. They don't know how to integrate it into their lives and consequently, they try to bring others into their frame. The thing many fail to understand is that incorporation of TRP methodology into one's daily life is a solitary matter. We talk about here in this forum but do so anonymously because if our true identities were to be exposed, it could…
/r/TheRedPill29/09/16 09:36 PM
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If she never brought up the idea of having you come with her, that is an ominous sign. If she invited you and you decided not to come... that still doesn't guarantee she won't do anything, but I would definitely drop her if she didn't invite you at all.
/r/TheRedPill29/09/16 04:04 PM
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You're speculating her motivations based on your own life examples, but your personal examples are not related to what is happening in OP's story. Not only have I observed this exact case happening to others, there have been countless examples of "open relationships" presented to TRP. They all end the same way: the relationship goes sour and the girl usually ends up moving on to another guy. I know you're coming from the perspective of a woman, so you believe in some way that gives you credibili…
/r/TheRedPill29/09/16 04:00 PM
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Branch swinging is not about wanting more dicks. It's about wanting something better. Hypergamy is heavily discussed in TRP, and that is what branch swinging is about: trading up. The example you provided demonstrated your desire for more commitment. The girl in OP's post already has the commitment. She wants something better, which is why she proposed the open relationship. If a girl wanted more commitment, she would NOT be trying to test her partner by "opening up the relationship". There woul…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/16 07:28 PM
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That's almost definitely a possibility. In most cases of open relationships though, if a girl did have sex with other guys, she would usually share a few of them (that she felt were significant enough anyway). The number she states would be far less than what she has actually done. In this case, I'm more inclined to believe that she didn't find any worthwhile prospects before she found out that he had another girl on him. Given her age, I'm finding this to be more believable.
/r/TheRedPill28/09/16 03:59 PM
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But you didn't open your relationship. So in the context of this post, your experience has little to do with what is happening in the post OP referenced. You breaking up with your boyfriend multiple times is a completely separate issue in and of itself. You state that you did this to get your boyfriend's commitment. Proposing to open up a relationship has little to do with securing commitment, and if anything is true of these types of arrangements, it's that a woman who would even consider makin…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/16 03:54 PM
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It's more of a power play than anything. Yes, either of the two can simply just cheat. But it's not just that. The branch swinging isn't as simple as that; she wants to reaffirm that she can still have her cake and eat it too. She fully knows the consequences she risks when telling him (he could throw a fit and leave), but she has it reaffirmed in her mind that (1) he probably does not have many options, and (2) she's testing his boundaries. By proposing the open relationship to her partner, she…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/16 03:23 PM
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That would be entirely true if not for one thing: she had no expectation of him finding a girl before she found guys to play with. She allowed him the opportunity to find other girls... but realistically, she probably didn't believe she had anything competition to worry about. The plain and simple truth is she wanted other dicks on the side. But like most girls at clubs, they usually walk home empty vagina, because most of the guys they meet are not up to their standards. If she wanted to get ma…
/r/TheRedPill28/09/16 02:55 PM
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It matters to someone but it is completely insignificant in comparison to economic impacts. And I believe you intended to say "voter's interests" and not "economic interests" since you mentioned social. My point isn't about what does or does not matter to people; the emphasis is on what is the most significant thing (which is what I was saying when I used the word 'matters').
/r/TheRedPill27/09/16 03:11 AM
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Here you are claiming that is difficult for men to get pussy in college yet you claim that "high value guys" can just party it up with Victoria Secret models. I can guarantee you that most men will not be partying it up with VS models after college. But if you're trying to convince me that a guy in college has a tougher time than a guy working full time, it's not working. Do you truly believe there is a distinction between the women that you meet later in life and the sorority girls from college…
/r/TheRedPill27/09/16 02:27 AM
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It is much of the same token as society trying to convince women that the wall is fictional. The thing you're forgetting is that you had to enter the service industry, which may have provided you more access to parties, but ultimately fewer career prospects. The amount of work you have to put in during college is substantially lower. And on top of that, yes there are a lot of hot women in their late 20s, but they were also in their early 20s at some point, and would have likely been more attract…
/r/TheRedPill27/09/16 02:21 AM
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College can be the time where men get most of their jollies out of the way, but it's also a time for networking and career building. The problem isn't that college is put on a pedestal, it's that boys are not really prepared for the rigors of college. You can have LOTS of fun in college and still be successful, but the reality is, not many men will be able to do that. But ultimately, I believe that it's an accurate representation of men in general: most men will be better served focusing on thei…
/r/TheRedPill27/09/16 12:19 AM
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It's a double-edged sword: the majority of the populace is too ignorant and unintelligent to make informed decisions, yet if they were all significantly more intelligent, the world would be a much more dangerous place. Humans are only more intelligent creatures than the primitive animals in the wild, yet we are still animals at our core. We want resources and we want to reproduce. The people at the top are all rich because they've found a way to siphon resources from the poor. To make a signific…
/r/TheRedPill26/09/16 10:18 PM
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The primary difference between Republicans and Democrats is which corporations they are supporting. The problem with people is that they are voting for candidates on primarily every other aspect of politics other than economics. Pro-life versus pro-choice, more taxes/less taxes, gay rights, etc. None of that shit matters; if the majority of people wanted to do themselves a favor, they would be voting for candidates that look out for THEIR financial interests.
/r/TheRedPill26/09/16 09:50 PM
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The 28 year old woman was once the 22 year old fresh-out-of-college girl. So not only does she have the baggage of the 22 year old, she also has the ravages of time with her as well. Women at the age of 28 pretend like they are completely different from their 22 year old counterparts, yet they tend to forget that most of them have experienced the same things. I've met girls that were exceedingly intelligent and driven in college, more so than women who were older at the time. Why should I believ…
/r/TheRedPill26/09/16 08:57 PM
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If you think about it, it wasn't even anti-woman at all, it was about his own short-comings and his inability to accept responsibility for them. That is the exactly it. But it is so much easier to call him a misogynist. You frame Elliot Rodgers, an unstable murderer, as a woman hater and you've got the perfect hook for your cause.
/r/PurplePillDebate23/09/16 02:37 AM
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The focus should be on equal opportunity, but it's not, because equal opportunity is already afforded to many citizens in Western cultures. Feminism made sense in the past, when women were securing the right to vote and needed more opportunities to work/receive an education. All of the nonsense that is being addressed today in the movement revolves around matters like, "That guy is spreading his legs too far! He is oppressing me!", "Why is that guy looking at me? He does not get the right to loo…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 11:58 PM
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The entire argument is dependent on the "simply accepted" notion that Elliot Rodger was a misogynist. I find it ironic that anyone who hates feminists/feminism is automatically labeled as an MRA, given that most MRAs are fighting for an equal footing the same way feminists are: perpetuating the notion that they are victims.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/09/16 11:52 PM
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A little crude, but the intent of the message is exactly how men should be receiving advice: as men, you must take care for your own livelihood. Men cannot play the victim, and should they opt to do so, they will find their cries unattended to. This is exactly where a lot of Men's Rights Activists fail; they give credence to the notion of playing the victim, wherein it furthers a woman's position, but fails to net any benefit to men. To beat the system, you must understand that there are many pl…
/r/TheRedPill21/09/16 11:17 PM
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Think of it as Monster.com. It's a placement service, except in this case, the women who are seeking arrangements are potential employees, yet they are the ones who get to make the final decision. The one who has the power to make the final decision will want to make the best possible selection. In the case of companies posting advertisements, they want the best possible candidates (if they are even looking at all). With that website, the women want the best possible candidates. It doesn't matte…
/r/TheRedPill21/09/16 11:12 PM
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People will tell you of something they're guilty of after the fact as a means of absolving their conscience. The problem is, people are almost always going to leave out critical details. Your ex didn't just strip down for strip poker; at minimum, she played around with other dudes and at worst, she probably had a sausage party with her being the bun. Regardless, not a girl you keep around by any means. If you want to get more out of her, you're going into manipulation territory. You won't find a…
/r/askTRP19/09/16 03:02 PM
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Exactly. This whole "rape culture" is a power play by women. To be able to call a man making a move on a woman rape without any repercussions whatsoever is a HUGE leverage over men. If they are drunk and you have sex with them, if they realize they weren't attracted to you, they will label their regret as rape. If their peers find out that they had sex with you and their peers do not approve, they will call it rape so that they can protect their reputation. If you are attractive and she likes yo…
/r/TheRedPill16/09/16 04:26 PM
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Correct. If women were to call it a domination fantasy, it would implicate them as being willing participants. Such women would be chastised heavily by other women (ie. called sluts and whores), and that is not something they want. A rape fantasy would simply be an "evil" thought by Satan who is infiltrating their minds. And it would absolve them of any responsibility whatsoever.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 10:05 PM
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She doesn't want to claim responsibility for it because then it would make her look promiscuous. If she can claim that the man took her by force and label it 'rape', then her reputation is unaffected and she gets to have sex with a guy who she deems attractive.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 10:03 PM
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It's primarily about the stigma. Even if a woman is promiscuous, she still wants to present a chaste image/maintain a non-debauched reputation. In as much as she enjoys being ravished by a hot stud, she has to claim that she doesn't want it. She is calling it a rape fantasy because it indemnifies her for having lustful thoughts. Hence, she feels that it absolves her true feelings of being slutty, and helps her maintain her reputation. "It felt good but I didn't actually want it, he just kind of …
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 10:01 PM
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I see where you are coming from, but it is important to understand why a woman in particular would identify it as rape. She considers it taboo: to enjoy being dominated by a man. Hence, why she may not "want it". But she actually enjoys it. Of note, it is absolutely critical for the women with these "rape" fantasies that the men "raping" them meet their standard of attractiveness. If they were being dominated by ugly men, they wouldn't want it. If it were truly a rape fantasy, it wouldn't matter…
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 09:29 PM
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This is the misconception that a lot of men end up having: when women say they have rape fantasies, it's not the act of rape that they desire... it is the sex with a desirable person who is dominating them that they fantasize about. They call it rape, but in reality, it's a domination fantasy. Rape by definition is unwanted sex. These women want to be dominated, not raped.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 08:02 PM
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When you're a billionaire, or even a multi-millionaire, you're going to have the seediest of women preying on you. You're dealing with Lucifer's daughters, women with an exorbitant amount of charm who know how to bait a man's ego. Not to mention, those men are often suckers for women. So it doesn't really matter how handsome the guy is, unless he's got a firm idea that women are no more than a means to an end (ie. Dan Bilzerian), if he ends up getting married to these women, he's a beta like the…
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 04:27 PM
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Whether or not she got raped is a matter for the courts. What does matter is this girl got overly intoxicated and completely disregarded her own safety. The crime of rape is on the perpetrator (assuming he is guilty), but she must be more diligent in protecting herself.
/r/TheRedPill15/09/16 04:17 PM
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No, it would be implying that they prefer roles that involve interpersonal relationships, have low risk of mortality, and/or allow for them to have more free time (read: family/community time) I'm quite certain she'd rather be a stay-at-home-mom taking care of her children and household, or if she were single, to be fully taken care of without having to work. She works because of a societal stigma that decries women who don't work. Add in to that crab mentality, and that is why she works. So if …
/r/TheRedPill13/09/16 12:04 AM
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The only reason why marriage worked in the past is because women had limited options. If a woman didn't get married in the past, she'd end up as a spinster with few, if any, resources available to her. Modern society throws all these resources and more towards women, and the end result is that you have a significant amount of single women and single men, and a significantly higher divorce rate within the past decade (it is decreasing now because there are fewer marriages overall). Most women wer…
/r/TheRedPill12/09/16 11:49 PM
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And yet everything you are implying would indicate that women working in any profession would be stressful. The only way women would be able to finish a task without stress is if they were assigned menial jobs. Yet still, we continue to see more and more women taking up jobs that would induce more stress on themselves. Your second paragraph is a lot closer to the main point - people can and will do whatever they can to make their lives easier. In particular, most women will be able to get away w…
/r/TheRedPill12/09/16 07:02 PM
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If he didn't give a fuck, he wouldn't have gotten married. His marriage is a liability, not an asset.
/r/TheRedPill12/09/16 06:44 PM
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Yes, there were still unhappy women in marriage 1.0, but there were fewer then there are now. Most women of the past couldn't even entertain the thought of going after a top-tier male, because it was simply too much risk to try to pass up someone who was already very favorable. Now what you have is a state wherein a woman's needs and wants are both met by the government (think welfare and affirmative action). You hand the majority of the resources to women, and what you end up with is a lot of u…
/r/TheRedPill10/09/16 01:16 AM
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Marriage is a construct, designed to ensure that both parties get what they are each looking for, and to provide safeguards for the party more at risk (which was women in the olden days). Now that the risk is almost negligible to women, it's astonishing that the terms and conditions of marriage haven't been amended to address these changes. In short, it's a bad idea to get married. Marriage made sense back then because there was a stigma against women being unwed and women had limited options in…
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 08:15 PM
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Whether you hate Igor or not, you should leave your moral judgments at the door. Women have as much agency and reign over their own lives as anybody else. They only have so many decisions to make regarding men, and that is primarily, "Is he a good choice to stick around with?" Often times, most women will make the wrong choice and keep a guy wrong on the basis of his attractiveness. They then pay the price for it. That is all there is to this.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 08:10 PM
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You're qualifying the whole thing as BS but in your earlier post, you stated with certainty that she didn't leave to get strange and that it was a mutual separation. I'm not sure if you believe this whole thing is BS or if you believe that OP's post doesn't fit your narrative.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 08:04 PM
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Too many modern men thinking that they can foster a relationship the way their parents used to. They don't realize that marriage was a contract in a time where the contract was balanced and both parties got what they wanted and agreed upon the terms. It is a man's folly to believe such a thing as happy ever after or "the one". Most men will need to realize why they even entertain the notion of marriage: they are desperate and are foolishly optimistic that it will fill some void. Men with options…
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 06:48 PM
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You've got to understand that if it's not you giving them attention, it is someone else. That is why I don't subscribe to the whole Men's Rights movement; they want fairness and "equality" for men, but they don't realize that all men aren't created equal and most men are less than deserving of it. No matter how much we think we can change the game, the only thing that we change is ourselves. I agree that this is post is mostly low-hanging fruit, but that's where you can simply downvote it and mo…
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 05:08 PM
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Most women would prefer to preserve their own feelings rather than have to face the fact: there are potentially rapists everywhere, and they must take care of themselves in light of this information. Do I feel like I am a rapist? No. But do I believe that women should be more wary of men? Yes. I've been arguing nonstop about this entire debacle and all I can surmise on the opposing front is that they would rather have a reactive attitude on the matter instead of being proactive. Instead of actua…
/r/PurplePillDebate08/09/16 04:51 PM
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If he feels like he is having fun, then that's his prerogative. If he doesn't care about the risks involved, then so be it. People will choose the MGTOW lifestyle if they seek it, there is no need for anyone to push it upon others.
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 04:43 PM
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Your concern trolling is not needed here. You should simply have said, "You were wasting your time", and moved along. No matter what how much you think you can affect women, you cannot. No matter how much shit and piss you try to put them through to change, they will not. Remember, she lured him out on the pretense that she was who she said he was. Now if he wants to waste his time trolling this woman, that is his prerogative. The takeaway is that women will try to sell themselves for more than …
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 04:40 PM
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Most of what OP is concluding is purely assumption. However, even if you can't discern it immediately, it becomes clear that the separation was planned fairly spontaneously and hinged entirely upon her leaving for school in a faraway state. If you read the original 2X post, you'll notice that even after "mutually" breaking up, she made sure her ex-boyfriend accompanied her to Arizona to go backpacking one last time. Anybody with a clear understanding of what is going will understand that she is …
/r/TheRedPill08/09/16 04:35 PM
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I don't think anyone disagrees with this. Too many people are confusing taking precautions with culpability. That is exactly correct. But they want to overlook that point entirely. They don't want to separate it any which way. If a rapist rapes a woman, it is entirely his fault, for committing the crime AND for her safety. That whole notion is asinine, that women shouldn't be responsible for their own safety. Only a small number of people would argue that the person who was raped was to blame. E…
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 10:56 PM
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If you want a relationship built on the right foundation, you have to start with attraction. If a girl is drawn to a guy because he looks like he will be a great provider, he will not get the sex he is looking for. At some point, his ability to provide just becomes a "given", as in, now that she has it, she will continue to expect it as if she is entitled to it. There's a more solid foundation to be had when you draw a girl in with attraction.
/r/TheRedPill07/09/16 09:01 PM
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It's a good thing that you got some sex out of it and relatively early. Had you been going along with the shitshow, it would've gotten uglier. My only advice, and I'm sure you already realize this from your post, is to demonstrate player-like qualities. Be non-committal, don't hang out with her much, pursue sex and completely back off if rejected, etc. You could have still pulled it back a little bit but you went slightly nuclear. I don't blame you, it happens to the best of us at times when we …
/r/TheRedPill07/09/16 08:32 PM
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I apologized to her and wished her a good life, and she said the same for me. I am a big proponent of not saying sorry unless you meant it, and I think what I did was fucked, so it definitely warranted an apology. You were being honest. Rather than beat around the bush, you made it clear that you were interested in the sex first but she tried to frame you as a provider. She tried to play a certain game, and it backfired on her. You have nothing to be sorry about.
/r/TheRedPill07/09/16 06:47 PM
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Such women become conditioned to employ the dual mating strategy. At first glance, most women will believe that it is possible to find the guy who is a unicorn, but overtime, they begin to realize that guys that make good boyfriends are often not very attractive, and guys that make good lovers are not likely to commit. The only winners in this are the non-committal guys and to a lesser extent the women. Any guy caught in a relationship is doomed like the one in OP's post.
/r/TheRedPill07/09/16 04:16 PM
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I agree that no one wants to straight up say their own partner is unattractive. Should probably figure that out before they become your partner. What if their reason for marrying a man wasn't because he was attractive but rather because he had some other value? Sure because they already find this man attractive. It's easier to "invest in his potential" when you're already at the very least attracted to him. Correct. In fact the biggest issue in relationships is women entering into relationships …
/r/PurplePillDebate07/09/16 12:09 AM
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Correct. In most cases, a woman can't tell a guy he's unattractive and to go do something about it, because she was never attracted to him in the first place. On top of that, it's not in her nature to "train" a winner. She wants a winner from the get-go but instead is forced to settle with the best available option, which is often an unattractive option.
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 10:37 PM
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That's part of the solution, but the other part is for his wife to be perfectly honest and tell him that she is simply not attracted to him. He's not magically going to find the answer if society and media are constantly telling him that his wife won't have sex with him because she's tired all the time from household chores/work. No one wants to say it like it is, because the reality of it sucks. We're living in a sheltered society that wants to preserve peoples' feelings without solving any pro…
/r/PurplePillDebate06/09/16 08:55 PM
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If feminists believe our inequalities are social constructs, they should be able and willing to marry down the way men do. I'm sure men want to marry domineering, career women who make money and are willing to take care of them... but that is just a social construct holding men back.
/r/TheRedPill06/09/16 04:38 PM
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True. But they are more likely to get the opportunities to pursue a relationship with a woman than a man who shows effeminate traits. It's not a very convincing argument for a man if you tell him that he has to wait until a woman is old enough to be "ready" to commit to him. Hence, the plight of ugly men. If they are short in stature or physically deformed, there is little they can do there, but being masculine is more likely to help their cause than not. Agreed. The rate at which men encounter …
/r/PurplePillDebate04/09/16 05:26 PM
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Being part of the same niche does not guarantee that a man will meet a woman's requirements for sexual desire. And you're right, being rich isn't a guarantee that a man will be able to sexually attract a woman. However, being in the same niche may afford a man more opportunities on the basis of convenience. Same reasoning behind social circles. Most women will not have to screen men as rigorously in their social circles as they would an outsider, and so the men in the same line of work/social ci…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 10:23 PM
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I am certain that most women will not narrow their sexual encounters down to a specific group of people. Rather, they would be more interested in certain characteristics that may possibly pertain to different classifications. I believe we can all agree that most hetero women will be more drawn to masculine traits/features than feminine traits/features. Aside from all that, it really depends on what qualification a person is presented with first. If a person hears that a potential mate does X for…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 10:03 PM
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At some point, I will have to actually talk to the guy I'm fucking, so whatever comes out of his mouth needs to impress me. Correct me if I am wrong, but that sounds like you'd fuck him first because of the initial attraction. Otherwise, you'd be talking with him first before you actually have sex with him. Secondly, how does being a doctor (or any other high paying career) guarantee that he will be more interesting than someone who isn't?
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 05:17 PM
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If a woman were constantly cycling through guys, she'd have a better idea of what she is looking for... in the short term. However, not going through a longer duration for a relationship precludes her from knowing what to expect in a long-term relationship. Hence, unless you're advocating that women avoid long-term dating altogether, this is a strategy that does not bode well for the long run.
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 03:46 PM
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This is exactly it. This is simply people listening to other people who have been burned by entering a lopsided commitment, wherein one partner could relinquish themselves of the commitment and still benefit at the other partner's expense. I know my focus is on marriage, but codependency without marriage is rare and often defaults to common-law marriage. There used to be safeguards in the law to at least protect individuals and their assets whenever their spouses cheated. But here comes no-fault…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 03:32 PM
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That's one possibility. Another possibility could also be that a woman has absolutely no desire to have sex with her husband. She does it as a chore because he's constantly whining to her about it. In reality, she enjoys sex but she'd much rather have sex with a famous actor and/or famous musician. She might tell him that she's tired because she's working all day or doing all the chores, etc. This might encourage him to help more around the house and relieve the burden off her shoulders. She may…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 03:26 PM
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TRP's solutions are anything but ideal and counter-intuitive to an ideal world. However, people tend to forget that we don't live in an ideal world. Many people are trapped in this frame of, "This is how the world ought to be", versus, "This is how the world actually is." People come to TRP because they want a different perspective when all else has failed. I can't imagine it's possible for BP to give sound advice when they would agree with the notion of, "Keep trying and you'll find the right o…
/r/PurplePillDebate03/09/16 03:20 PM
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Had you said you were a fast food worker, I would've given your statement a little more merit. Being a musician, you're more likely than not to have some masculine qualities which have attracted your partner. Add to that, you are probably some level of physically attractive (assuming what you are telling me is true). The thing about most women who are domineering breadwinners is that they usually want men who are even wealthier than they are themselves. Barring that, they will just buy the compa…
/r/TheRedPill03/09/16 02:05 AM
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The problem with Men's Rights groups is that they try to reason with women for equality, but fail to realize that this push for equal rights by women has absolutely nothing to do with equal rights. They are looking to cement privileges. MRAs approach the problems with a victim mentality but don't understand that people do not see men as victims.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/16 02:00 AM
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How exactly does a license prevent an individual from having kids? By the time they've procreated, if the seed is planted, a new retard is born.
/r/TheRedPill03/09/16 01:57 AM
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Women are human beings, are you suggesting that they should shut themselves up, stay inside, not participate in any sort of social activities, and hide their bodies, in order to protect themselves against rape? Do you know who else believes this? ISIS. Not once did I state that women should completely lock themselves away from the outside world. You are correct, women are human beings, which means that they are capable of making their own decisions. Should they proceed to do any of the things me…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 05:34 PM
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So, women who drink alcohol should accept being raped? That is way off base. Simply because you accept the risk does not mean that you accept the offense. Risk does NOT mean that something is guaranteed to occur. Let me flip this on it's head; if you were out with a woman and she got too drunk, would you have sex with her against her will? Because based on what you are saying, your actions would be justified and it would be her fault. First, your interpretation of what I am saying is way off. Se…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 04:23 PM
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You don't think that stating controversial beliefs in public domains (ie. work, school, etc.) will affect what others may do to you?
/r/TheRedPill02/09/16 01:06 AM
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There's no need to determine fault, only whether it was rape or not. If it is proven to be rape, the rapist is at fault. If it is not proven to be rape, no one is at fault because there is no crime. The issue isn't fault but defining what is and is not rape, and then comparing whether what happened (the parts that can be proven or agreed on) fits that definition. Agreed. I was focusing on fault in the frame of law and legality but you are correct, it is more important to focus on defining what i…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 12:47 AM
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what makes you think they wouldn't be? Because many people don't think it could possibly be dangerous if a woman goes out to a bar or a club and drinks alcohol. There is a strong potential for a person to associate the consequence of rape with the rapist rather than with circumstances leading up to it. this is not the only scenario in which rapes happen, regardless of how easy it is to assume that a woman did something stupid and brought the rape upon herself. Correct, it is not the only circums…
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 12:37 AM
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What are you implying? That men are the reason why she can't have fun? That giving her a heads up about the dangers is restrictive?
/r/PurplePillDebate02/09/16 12:20 AM
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it's always about her actions, and so rarely about his. she's raked over the coals about what she did or didn't do, and interrogated, poked, prodded (if she can even get the courage to report it and go through all that). Because she can account for her own actions. Society can teach men to not rape. Society can make sure that men are aware of the consequences of raping a woman. Society can try to further educate men... But this is all moot. The majority of men will not rape women. "Educating" th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 11:29 PM
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you're assuming some extreme, extreme stupidity in people here. people know why they got DUIs. people know the circumstances of their rape. That's not a reflection of extreme stupidity though, that is simply reckless and risky behavior. Most people are fully aware of the consequences of driving under the influence. But that in itself does not motivate people not to take a chance at driving behind the wheel. The people who get DUIs are willing to take the risk instead of dealing with the inconven…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 11:21 PM
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You're more likely to be robbed if you display excessive amounts of wealth. On top of that, criminals scope out their victims and target those that seem most vulnerable. A guy is more likely to be victimized if he's scrawny versus a guy who is massive and muscular. If we are thinking about who a rapist would target at a club, the odds are good that he will target the most vulnerable looking women first. That doesn't necessarily mean that the rapist is going after the most provocatively dressed w…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 10:59 PM
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Intelligence is not a prerequisite for being able to provide comfort and/or stability, nor for being attractive and masculine. If a guy is rich because he is extremely intelligent, he would be considered attractive first and foremost for being wealthy. Same deal if he was famous for being intelligent. It can be better seen as a criteria for deciding between two candidates for whom all other qualifications are equal.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 10:52 PM
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No one is putting these restrictions on women. No one saying, "You are forbidden from going home with strangers." People are simply saying, "If you decide to go home with a stranger and have sex with them, you might be raped." Should they go through with their decisions, they must accept that there are potential consequences to their actions. For that matter, no one is saying that we should not tell men not to rape. There are laws that punish individuals who commit rape. There are countless bull…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 10:40 PM
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Not nobody, just not you and other guys that think they are experts on the topic even though everyone that understands it just laughs at you for being so overconfident in your bullshit. So you're saying that everyone else understands it, but I am clueless on it? What makes these other people experts? Why are you so confident that my reasoning is flawed? You're simply telling me to shut up and you're not contending any of these points. No, but you clearly lack any understanding for why it might h…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 10:37 PM
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A resident and a shopowner operate under different circumstances. A store owner would likely mitigate his risk by having closed-circuit cameras, alarms, etc. If he wants to conduct business, he'll have to leave his doors open. But a homeowner does not have to leave his door open, and it would not be in his best interest to leave his door open a majority of the time. A store cannot guarantee that its consumer will not steal product. But if they wish to protect their livelihood, they can take acti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 10:06 PM
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You're using hyperbole to make your point, but even you can accept this conclusion - there are precautionary measures a woman can take to ensure that her risk is minimized. She does not need to go to the extremes to ensure that she is safe - in fact, there is absolutely no guarantee that she would be safe even if she was locked in fortress surrounded by turrets. However, just little things can prevent a substantial amount of misfortune. For instance, don't go home with strangers. Yes, she could …
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 10:00 PM
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But you assume that the victim knows why they were victimized. If you do nothing and prefer to preserve that person's feelings, there is a strong possibility that they could get raped again. Even if they are not directly responsible for being raped, telling people that they could have prevented a situation is NOT placing direct blame on them; it is pointing out that they can learn something from what happened to them, that they can recognize what may lead up to the incident, and what they may do…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:54 PM
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No one is arguing that the crime isn't* fully the responsibility of the criminal. That said, if the owner doesn't see that some of their actions can induce greater risk, that is upon them for being negligent in caring for their own possessions. If a person leaves their front door open and a thief burglarizes him, the thief committed the crime. That is without question. If the owner does not believe he is at all responsible, then he would be inclined to leave the door open again. And he may conti…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:49 PM
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Do they truly know? What if they write it off as an encounter with a devilish person? This isn't about saving anyone, and it may seem like that the person giving the "advice" is approaching this problem from a higher moral ground, but it's not. I can guarantee you that if you do absolutely nothing and prefer to preserve their feelings, the likelihood that it will happen again will be much higher than taking the time to point out these things. It's like someone getting a DUI. Sure, you didn't wan…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:43 PM
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So what you are saying is... if a girl is raped, we should take no measure at all to help her avoid being victimized another time? Suppose we do nothing, suppose she was victimized because she became too intoxicated at a club... if it happens again, do we just accept it for what it is? We already have laws punishing men who commit rape. We have laws against sexual assault. We can live by the belief that women should NOT be raped and that men should not rape... but what if anything does any of th…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:35 PM
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That is a terrible example unless you could have directly stopped 9/11 from happening. If you knew which flights would have been taken hostage and you didn't do something to prevent it, then it would be your fault for inaction. However, there is most likely nothing you could have done directly that would have prevented 9/11, and hence, it is not your fault. If we use cases of rape as an example from a woman's perspective, let's consider all the possible things that she could have directly done t…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 09:25 PM
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The person responsible for the crime can only be the thief. But the person responsible for ensuring that the car remains in a good condition? The owner. Those are not mutually exclusive concepts; they go very well hand in hand. You do not include risk in your assessment of blame, which is very essential. If I knowingly leave my door open at night, and someone burglarizes me, then that person is responsible for the crime they committed. But I did I do everything I could to mitigate my risk? No. I…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:48 PM
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And what if she freezes during sex because she does not want it but her body locks up? It is very analogous because it is all under similar pretenses: she's unable to respond (to give consent). In this case, she is fully conscious yet she cannot give consent. But she's not unconscious and her partner is not likely to assume anything is wrong.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:32 PM
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But that's not a reason to not make it a law. You reiterate this point many times, but your example of a reason to make it a law is: Would you be ok with it if people were molesting you in your sleep? Which does not apply because consent was not given prior by the person who fell asleep. We have something called innocent until proven guilty. The guy doesn't have to prove his innocence the prosecutor has to prove his guilt. In the court of public opinion, they will hang him because the label of '…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:21 PM
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Likewise, if a woman claims that a man raped her, it does not necessarily mean that he is a rapist, it only means that she is accusing him. And no, I made no such indication that any actions that can't be proved in court can't be rape. I am arguing that there needs to a substantive way of determining fault in rape. It can't be based on subjective definitions (ie. I froze up during sex and therefore it was impossible for me to say no, but I didn't want it). And while most of what you said is true…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 08:09 PM
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Campus rape is the problem though. You have male students accused on that basis alone (that a woman withdrew consent without indicating it to her male partner). The end result is they are most likely expelled and/or their lives are ruined as a result of the judicial process.
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:56 PM
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I think it's pretty necessary. Would you be ok with it if people were molesting you in your sleep? The idea behind "women can't consent while unconscious" applies to cases where a woman has previously given consent and then becomes unconscious. In your case, no consent has been given at all. You might say, "Well, what if they had sex, and then they finish and she falls asleep?" In that particular instance, as soon as the sex is finished, both parties acknowledge that the act of sex is finished a…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:52 PM
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How can you prove that you weren't the reason she became unconscious? Also, modern day sex laws state that even if a woman gives consent to sex, she may at anytime withdraw it. If she becomes unconscious, she is unable to give consent. Hence, the consent is withdrawn. What you are saying makes plenty of sense, but in the current scope and frame of the matter, an unconscious woman cannot give consent and consent must be maintained throughout the course of sex, hence, it becomes rape as soon as sh…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:24 PM
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Not giving a fuck what other people think of you and doing whatever you fucking want are two entirely different things. The short summary is Law 38: Think as you like, but behave like others. You don't have to let peoples' opinions affect you if it does not have critical implications, but you must damn well make sure that your actions don't make you a target if you want to preserve your livelihood. Some people, like Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, can get away with saying some really absurd thi…
/r/TheRedPill01/09/16 06:19 PM
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This is a bit of a stretch to be honest. The notion of "women can't consent while unconscious" is dubious at best. I agree in most cases that men should be wary if their partners are or do become unconscious. However, the ambiguity of it leads to characteristic flaws. If, as a man, you are having sex with a woman, and she happens to become unconscious, are you guilty of rape the second she does become unconscious? If not, how long does a man have before he has to cease his actions? How can you p…
/r/PurplePillDebate01/09/16 06:01 PM
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Most women will not do anything to ruin your life, if you don't fit some where in their schema. There are only so many cases where she would in fact take action to ruin your life, and that is when you are actively involved in it. If you entered a woman's sphere of interaction as a beta male, she would by all accounts do everything to ensure that you remain in that area. You'll notice that women will flirt with betas sometimes, and they do this because they know that they will receive attention i…
/r/TheRedPill01/09/16 04:43 PM
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The kicker in all of this is in places like Germany, where women are being sexually assaulted by refugees, feminists don't know how to address the problem. Blame all men... but wait, can't be prejudiced against immigrants! This whole movement is asinine. Instead of doing what is proven to be effective (teach people to be aware of dangers and to protect themselves), they're advocating the wrong methods on the basis of idealistic beliefs.
/r/TheRedPill01/09/16 04:22 PM
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See defintions 1 and 2
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 08:33 PM
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Because OP's entire argument rests upon that assumption. Back on topic though, if a family can afford to have a stay-at-home-mom, it allows her to take care of the household and watch over the children, which is not a difficult job, but one which would save the cost of hiring a nanny/caretaker. On top of that, it reduces the amount of stress to the mother. Historically, it has simply been accepted that men bear the burden of making money and providing for the household. And men have typically ac…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 07:02 PM
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Ah, you're talking about your former wife. Well that is an area where you DON'T want to be extra clingy. The only exit strategy there is divorce. My advice was more for individuals in non-marital relationships.
/r/TheRedPill31/08/16 06:41 PM
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Romance is dependent on attraction. Attraction depends on a lot of factors, with one such factor being novelty. If a couple has been together for an extended period of time, the novelty will have worn thin. However, if a couple hasn't married yet, there may be a sense of longing for more commitment, in the form of marriage. Once a marriage is secured, that desire for more commitment is cemented. So that aspect of attraction goes out the door as well. So if you're talking about the verb, to roman…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 06:37 PM
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My advice for getting rid of the crazy: Don't try to run away from them. They will track you down. They have a special set of skills and they are very good at it. Instead, out-crazy the crazy. Be so clingy and pathetic that they want nothing to do with you. The thing about crazy girls is, they generally don't like beta behavior, and if you can flip the script and show them those traits, they will do what they can to run away from you. Unless of course they are Bipolar or have some other serious …
/r/TheRedPill31/08/16 06:20 PM
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Have you been here long? This is said all the time. It is not mentioned in this successive chain of replies nor is it implied. And saying women are responsible would be like saying "You got hit by that drunk driver? What measures did you take to prevent that from happening?" I didn't say they were responsible for the other person's actions. I said they are responsible for mitigating the risk that they can incur upon themselves. No one is saying don't take measures to protect yourself. But tellin…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 03:15 AM
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For starters, nowhere does anyone say that women need chaperones. If you think that chaperones will help a woman be safer, then that would be a consideration, but no one made a claim that it was a necessity. The claim is that women should be responsible for their own safety. They should be cognizant of the fact that places like bars and clubs are potentially full of predators. When you throw alcohol into the mix (which has the effect of lowering one's inhibitions), it becomes a total mess. We ex…
/r/PurplePillDebate31/08/16 12:41 AM
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Are we trying to debate with generalizations here?
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:59 PM
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The bottomline is simple. We want society to advocate what would work best when it comes to sexual interactions between genders. Common sense applies: If you are afraid of being taken advantage of, you should take all possible precautions to ensure that you do not become a victim. Hence, if you are afraid of being raped, you must do everything possible to minimize the risks. That would include not drinking if you know that drinking will inhibit your ability to make sound decisions. If you don't …
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 09:40 PM
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War is inevitable. It is not won by feminized men. When war comes and all we have to fight it are pussies, both of the male and female variety, we will lose. And even if we don't technically lose, we'll probably pay the price by having to unload a payload of nuclear weapons to counter the threat.
/r/TheRedPill30/08/16 08:27 PM
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And the problem with it all is that it is more regressive than anything. This will ultimately lead to the fall of Western civilizations. At some point, the greed of the elite is going to cost them their livelihoods as they begin to feud with one another and then are overtaken when they have diminished the strength of their people. But would it be any other way? Power corrupts those that seek it. When men fall into power, they tend to do great things with it (our forefathers as an example), but w…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/16 04:46 PM
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Why do you assume that a girl is asleep or incapacitated every time she is in a compromising situation? For that matter, if there were no witnesses, how can such circumstances be proven? Are we expected to believe the accuser's testimony in every such instance? Granted, when two people have sex, it is often in privacy. At that point it becomes very ambiguous what happens. If she says no, there is a possibility that he may become aggressive and violent. But likewise, if the guy she was going to h…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 04:31 PM
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For now. We're moving in a direction where they may someday be a tax on men for being single. Society is pushing itself in a direction to create a widening chasm between attractive men and unattractive men, and to make unattractive men more useful to women without having those women interact with that group.
/r/TheRedPill30/08/16 01:32 AM
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You're passing a moral judgment on the guy, and it's a reasonable one, but that is ultimately not the overall point. The focus is neither on the pillpopping bisexual irresponsible manwhore, nor on the prostitute. The focus is on all the other posters in there who believe it is wrong to judge the woman because she is a prostitute. If your first gut feeling is, "Hey, it's cool that she's a prostitute, she was just doing it to get by," you're either a disingenuous, lying prick or a horribly, fucked…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/16 01:20 AM
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I have encountered many women who have rejected guys just on the basis of not re-escalating after being declined. She says "no" the first time, but was actually testing him. Is this reflective of all women? No. But this has been my experience with women more attractive than the average. I've seen women completely shut down men on the dance floor, even when the men are completely drunk and belligerent. You would think that a man who is overly intoxicated and irrational poses a more significant th…
/r/PurplePillDebate30/08/16 12:39 AM
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On a side note, this is why it is absolutely important for men to be outwardly non-judgmental. If you can get a girl to drop her guard and reveal her true self, you can really dig deep into her history and see if there are any major flags. As an example, I may not like a girl who has slept with too many guys and I may believe that all such girls are sluts, but I will never express that belief or show resentment towards girls that have that characteristic. If I do, all such potential girls will m…
/r/TheRedPill30/08/16 12:31 AM
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People are considering him hypocritical because they expect him to judge all people the same way. They don't see it as, men and women; rather, they see it as "people". To many of them, whatever actions men or women take, it's all the same. Because apparently there is absolutely NOTHING different about the female experience versus the male experience. If you can buy into that notion, then their philosophy would be better suited for you. TRP views it differently because we know that men and women …
/r/TheRedPill30/08/16 12:24 AM
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Yet surprisingly and unsurprisingly, what remains consistent across this whole convoluted mess that is gender is the notion that men are still expected to treat women out. In this whole fight for gender equality, men can't seem to figure out that women still want the inherent benefits of being female yet want the added benefits of being a male. Too many men accept this as, "Just the way things are", and yet can still reconcile the notion that women are supposedly discriminated against.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 11:16 PM
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Most of these men who failing to acquire partners, are failing because they are listening to women when being told how attract women. When women are asked what they are drawn to in a man, they list out beta qualities but do not make note of the fact that they are drawn to masculine men. The beta qualities are indeed what women are looking for but they use that criteria as a basis for sorting attractive men. At a baseline, you must be this attractive for women to even consider you. That's what wo…
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 08:24 PM
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That's great but he has lighter looking features. This guy won't be so fortunate.
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 03:31 PM
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The problem with society is that they are trying to rid this notion of what gender is - male and female. The "progressives" are trying to undo this easy to understand concept, and basically tell people that they can be anything they want. Doesn't matter if they were born with a penis or a vagina, they can be "anything" or "anyone". The problem is that in trying to determine an identity for women, instead of building upon the strengths of a woman (tenderness, femininity, compassion, etc.), women …
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 03:29 PM
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The socratic method is a great form of debate/discussion, but that relies on the ability of oneself to be willing to accept and understand those underlying assumptions. The reason why TBP satires TRP is because the majority of the audience has already pre-formulated what they believe are the underlying assumptions. The majority of them already believe they know what TRP is (misogyny, rape, pick-up, etc.) hence why they believe they are capable of satirizing the content. As a counter-thought, I w…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 03:20 PM
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You still don't get it. I'm an Asian dude. I already know that I'm going to have less opportunities than a white guy. But what am I going to do? Cry to people? Tell women to love me because I'm Asian? Fuck no. No one cares, except maybe that one fat ugly chick who says, "But I like Asian men!" Maybe women don't like him because he's Asian. Maybe he's not masculine enough. Maybe 70k is not enough for women to be attracted to him. It doesn't matter. Maybe he's too short. If it's not working for hi…
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 03:15 PM
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You are the exception, not the rule. If you want to pretend like its all peaches, then so be it. The focus shouldn't be on whether or not a person believes ethnicity factors into a man's ability to get laid; the focus is on the fact that men simply have to man up. Crying about disadvantages is not going to help a guy. No one cares if the short guy isn't getting laid, or if the Asian guy isn't getting more hits with white chicks. As you have pointed out, you are encountering more success because …
/r/TheRedPill25/08/16 04:33 AM
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Even if a woman says yes, she may immediately withdraw her consent after. Why? She could say that she was saying it under duress. She could laugh and moan and tell you to keep going, but she could be saying that out of fear. You see why this is such a gray area? I'm not trying to create a strawman here, these can become realities (if it hasn't happened already) if we are to say that a woman can withdraw consent at any given time under any condition. You cannot effectively prove that a woman didn…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 12:47 AM
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ab·surd adjective (of an idea or suggestion) wildly unreasonable, illogical, or inappropriate. There's a portion of the description in the wikipedia page on debate that is representative of what debate should be: Debate is a method of formally presenting an argument in a disciplined manner through logical consistency, factual accuracy and some degree of emotional appeal to the audience are elements in debating, where one side often prevails over the other party by presenting a superior "context"…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 12:25 AM
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How are they able to consent if they aren't there mentally? Did you know that fucking passed out chicks is also rape, because they can't consent? Even though she can't decide if she doesn't want sex, she can't decide if she wants sex either. That's a state of mind where they are incapable of consenting. And it's a state of absolute terror. Do you really think that anyone would consent to that? If there was already initial consent, then you are suggesting that they are withdrawing consent. Assumi…
/r/PurplePillDebate25/08/16 12:14 AM
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Let's be realistic here. If you are an Indian guy, or even apart of another minority, in the US or any other Western culture (Canada, Britain, etc.), you're going to be fighting an uphill battle. Especially if you aren't attractive. Telling these guys to not be losers and explaining why statistics doesn't mean anything is moot. The only thing that needs to be said is this: You're a fucking guy. At the end of the day, no one truly gives a shit about your problems. You either do something about it…
/r/TheRedPill24/08/16 10:49 PM
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My question was directed at the former. Everyone comes into a debate with a bias, otherwise there would be nothing to debate. TRP disagrees with all or most ideas presented by feminists, but that doesn't mean they can't debate feminism in good faith (and many do.) I agree that there will always be bias to a certain degree. One person supports one side of an argument, and another person supports the other. TRP does in fact disagree with many tenets of feminism. That said, individual members of TR…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:45 PM
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The whole basis of TBP is to satire the content on TRP. That in itself presents the notion that TRP is satired because they believe most, if not all, of the content is absurd by their measure. I cannot reasonably expect to debate with a person if they believe everything I agree with is absurd. In my many experiences with debate, when someone gets so heated about a topic because they are so vehemently against it (ie. abortion, gun laws, etc.), the debate degenerates into a contest of who can yell…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:36 PM
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Fair enough. Let me ask you then, what are your motivations for "debating in good faith"? Do you agree or disagree with the notion that members of TBP are opposed to all or most of the ideas presented by TRP? If you agree, then does that not present a clear bias?
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:26 PM
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If we're talking in terms of what TRP espouses and what TBP mocks, if they want to be taken seriously, they need to present solutions to the problems that TRP is addressing. All the subreddits you mentioned are for people that enjoy weed, Taylor Swift and pictures/videos of cats standing up. None of those subreddits is definitively counter to another subject. If we are talking about the same thing, we are discussing why members of TBP cannot be taken seriously and why debates with them are not f…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:11 PM
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It's very idealistic, because it's impossible. If one freezes up their mind goes black. They can't move anymore just like they don't hear or feel anything anymore. It's a dissociative state the brain goes into to prevent further damage that could come by resisting. They literally can't say no. They would if they could, but their brain shuts down. Their brain shuts down... but they can still cognitively determine that they do not want sex? That is seemingly contradictory. I'm not going to ask you…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 10:00 PM
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True, we don't live in a perfect world. And it may be idealistic to expect every individual to be reasonable. However, for the sake of rape and legality, it is necessary to remove all gray areas. Otherwise, feelings (a very subjective and profoundly gray area) would serve as evidence for very serious accusations.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 09:39 PM
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I am entirely against the tone of TBP. They are not contributing anything remotely substantial to the betterment of society. Instead, they are dismissing all the arguments presented by TRP as a whole. The entire subreddit has a disclaimer in the description: "TheBluePill is a satire of TheRedPill". You are not TBP. You are opposed to some or all of the core values of TRP. You are using reason to try to make a claim for your statements. That is the mark of a reasonable person, and one who is tryi…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 09:36 PM
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Because they present a clear bias. There is no debate when an argument arises between two factions, if one side is clearly opposed to everything that the other believes in. I can guarantee you that most of the people in PPD who identify as "blue" are doing so to demonstrate that they are opposed to what TRP stands for. But most of them are not likely to subscribe to and actively contribute to TBP, because the notion of the whole subreddit is counter to sensibility.
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 09:23 PM
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True. But once again, she is a human being and therefore we must assume that she can be a responsible person. If she doesn't want to continue having sex with the guy, she is at liberty to demand it to stop. We cannot assume that she is in danger if she refuses to have sex. She may assume that, but for all legal purposes and intents, she is in no presumable danger. If she felt an individual was dangerous, she would have avoided him altogether. She has every right to refuse sex with the man if he …
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 09:13 PM
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But he also wasn't showing enthusiasm, and that was enough to give me pause, and what motivated me to ask if he was okay before I continued. But even if a person was showing enthusiasm, isn't that all subjective? As I stated in my argument: In a lot of rape cases, the accuser would tell the court room that they didn't show any objections because they feared they would be punished even further for it. Even if an individual demonstrates enthusiasm, could the defendant not claim that they did so un…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 08:35 PM
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What if a guy felt that he needed to show positive expressions for fear of being abused later? In a lot of rape cases, the accuser would tell the court room that they didn't show any objections because they feared they would be punished even further for it. That's a very compelling argument to some extent. Would that precedent not apply to the case of men who showed positive expressions but felt that they were raped because they feared later repercussions? That can only mean then that expression…
/r/PurplePillDebate24/08/16 07:07 PM
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Great strategy if you have no desire for any sort of relationship with women. Unfortunately most men are still tied into the notion that "commitment = more frequent sex". If men don't adopt your mindset and take pussy off the pedestal, they will end up chasing women who have been worn out from all their slutting. Or end up having to settle for an average looking woman who is still likely to be just as problematic.
/r/TheRedPill23/08/16 09:22 PM
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Because she is likely not going to subscribe to any other methodology. TRP is not about trying to change women; most women are set in their ways. TRP is there to help men figure out how to navigate the current social climate and get the most out of what they want in their interactions with women. Honestly, from the tone of her arguments, do you really believe she is going to reconsider her position and say, "Well gee, that makes a lot of sense, I'm going to work on being an attractive person and…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 06:54 PM
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The average woman will have tendencies that predispose her to becoming lazy and fat. She will be lacking the drive to pursue greater things. Would the better alternative for this particular woman with these particular tendencies be being single and not have a guy who will provide with validation and resources? To tell her to simply not to do that is idealistic.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 06:40 PM
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You're taking them literally word for word. Most men say they like cute, natural girls... and they aren't lying. They simply never said they wouldn't date a girl with a caked on face. If they say they absolutely abhor girls who lather the makeup on their faces and then date one, then yes, they are hypocrites. Generally speaking though, saying you like something is not a definitive case for saying that you dislike the opposite thing. It's a statement of preference.
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 06:33 PM
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He's telling her that AF/BB is optimal for her. And he's not wrong. If a woman knows that she will become fat and lazy in the future, the best option for her is to sleep around with as many attractive guys as possible while she's still in her prime, and then settle down with a guy who will take care of her (validation, money, etc.) in spite of her many flaws. For the few women who are attractive and intend to find the best possible mate (attractive male, wealthy, elite, etc.), AF/BB is a piss po…
/r/PurplePillDebate22/08/16 06:13 PM
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I've very rarely heard TRP deny the idea that a woman having had a lot of dicks inside of her is disgusting. But the idea more than anything is, for the men who DO want to try to have long-term relationships, having a high partner count for women is more often than not a bad sign. If a man does not like the thought of high partner counts, he can automatically disqualify a woman who has a high count. TRP does not discuss this rationale because it is a value judgment. Many men will more likely tha…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 09:53 PM
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Why does the high N-count girl have a high count? She has probably tried to get the guys she's had sex with to commit to her, but she has failed. Repeatedly. What can turn away men so much from this girl? If it's not her fault that she's dealt with so many awful partners, then why has it come to a point that she's failed repeatedly? Why is she not able to learn from these encounters to find the right one? That can only mean that she is either a poor judge of character, or she is only attracted t…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 09:45 PM
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Not liking how many dicks have been inside of a woman is inherent. In simple terms, I would rather buy a nice luxury car fresh from the factory, than pre-owned/used from another source. Don't put this in the "Oh he's calling women objects!" circlejerk, it's a highly sensible notion. I can't speak on behalf of all men, but I've had sex with several high N-count women. Does this mean that I can't be abhorred by the thought of these women having lots of partners? Absolutely not. I may enjoy sex wit…
/r/PurplePillDebate19/08/16 09:24 PM
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The best advice anyone has ever given me: "Don't seek happiness, seek fulfillment." The majority of this world is trying to find a constant source of happiness in their lives, whether from work, from their partners, or from some any other external source. You'll never be happy if you do this, and in fact, you'll never be happy in general. What you can get out of life is fulfillment. Set out to complete a task/goal/objective, see it done, and get a sense of fulfillment. To keep yourself pre-occup…
/r/TheRedPill11/08/16 08:37 PM
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Women may lose weight after getting out of a relationship with a loser, but they're quick to rebound all their gains when they've gotten back into another relationship. They put their good foot forward to attract new mates, but they will put in as minimal effort as possible into their current investments. When a woman invests in her partner it means that she is attracted to that person, and she will continue to do so until her attraction wears thin. If she's losing weight for a guy while she's i…
/r/TheRedPill11/08/16 08:30 PM
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Shy girls are more prone to give subtle IOIs than the average girl. They would simply not be as aggressive or overt. If a guy isn't getting stared down by a girl, having her mirror his actions, or having her try to get closer to him, then she isn't interested. The shyest girls I've ever met still couldn't contain their tingles for a guy. The only difference is that they were flaunting themselves all over him. A guy can try kino as a last resort, but the girl will just reciprocate to be polite if…
/r/TheRedPill11/08/16 04:35 PM
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Experiencing rejection is a good precursor to becoming better at reading women. You'll begin to see over time which women are more receptive and which women are repulsed. Hence, body language. On top of that, experiencing rejection helps one become used to it. Many men fear rejection and overthink it to the point that they'd rather fantasize about the possibilities, rather than experience the reality of a possibility played out. They would rather hold on to the dream. But after experiencing reje…
/r/TheRedPill09/08/16 06:18 PM
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Well first off, I suggest you refrain from insulting people. Secondly, I think we get it, you're pushing the idea of MGTOW on people. Problem is, men still have a desire to get something from women: sex. For most men though, they are still stuck in the belief that to get sex and start a family, marriage is the solution. It is not. To address some of your earlier points, yes, it would just be as simple as expecting women to take their heads out of their asses. But that is idealistic. Much in the …
/r/TheRedPill09/08/16 06:17 AM
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You'll have to clarify, I don't know what that means with regards to my message.
/r/TheRedPill08/08/16 10:26 PM
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Most women are primed to have children. The biological clock is no myth. Our emotions, our urges, our drives, etc.... they are all geared towards reproduction and the continuation of our genes. She's probably happy because she feels like she's locked down a prime partner, and completed her biological imperative. For most women however, having children is the only thing they can accomplish. They'll continue to live miserable lives either having to work painstaking and/or laborious hours, and/or b…
/r/TheRedPill08/08/16 06:57 PM
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Do not provoke her or goad her into action. Kindly ask her to stop bothering you. After that, ignore her and any of her future responses. Save all your messages. If she does pursue legal means, you have at least that evidence that you can provide in your defense. The likelihood of her pursuing legal means? Not very likely at all. She was most likely using it as a last ditch effort to get you to change your position. Having said that, if any of this should go to court, your reputation will be dam…
/r/askTRP04/08/16 12:03 AM
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You should only consider the boyfriend line a shit test if it's used after interest has been reciprocated. For instance, if you kino a woman and she is receptive AND flirts with you, but then uses the "I have a boyfriend" line, then yes, it is a shit test. If you get shut down at the first indication, then she may not actually have a boyfriend, but is clearly indicating that she is not interested and does not want further advances.
/r/TheRedPill03/08/16 10:55 PM
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Love for women and for men are two entirely different things. For women, love is attraction. She loves you when she has a strong desire for you. Men should be very wary when a woman professes their love for them, especially if the proclamation of love comes after being given a gift or treated out to a date. For men however, love is desperation. Men profess their love for their partners primarily to say, "I appreciate you for sticking with me." Men with options generally don't declare feelings of…
/r/TheRedPill29/07/16 04:07 PM
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If you enter into the relationship with a woman, she's going to want at the very least the status quo, if not better down the road. That is why for many men who get married, their desirability comes from their ability to provide. Many men who don't know better, get married when they're in their late 20s/early 30s and think that they are spending the rest of their lives with a spectacular individual, who just happened to come along at the right time... when the reality is that their wives were ru…
/r/TheRedPill29/07/16 12:03 AM
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On top of that, when women do end up "alone", it is often a personal choice and not because nobody wants them. I can guarantee you that even the ugliest, fattest, and most entitled women have options. But for women not to take those options, it is a decision made by them and not by their male counterparts. Briffault's Law
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 11:10 PM
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...more positive and together experience. In what way? If she has an actual interest sports that would be a valid point. But the majority of women will have little to no interest in sports. They might be interested in star athletes who dominate those games, but more likely than not, they will not be interested in the intricacies of the game the way men are.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 02:14 AM
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I never said men weren't capable of having emotional outbursts. But taking all things into consideration, the average man will have less outbursts than the average woman. A lot of that can be attributed to hormonal differences.
/r/TheRedPill28/07/16 02:12 AM
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I agree with that statement wholeheartedly. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having a desire to become better. In fact, if anything, the desire to become better should motivate us to find more efficient means to live our lives to the fullest. That may include generating extra income from sources that require little to no added effort. Or improving one's ranking up the ladder in corporate. Etcetera, etcetera. The problem that a lot of people face is that they live to work, to make money, an…
/r/TheRedPill27/07/16 05:52 PM
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You're right, the cause of their frequent emotional outbursts is that society has allowed women to behave in such a way. Firstly though, we were primarily exploring the issue at the surface, hence why you stated that it was due to stupidity and I replied that it was an emotional outburst that prompted said stupidity. Secondly, even if we were to take two individuals, one male and one female, train them both properly... you would still see more outbursts in the woman than in the man. Hormonal dif…
/r/TheRedPill27/07/16 05:42 PM
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When women get emotional, they do and say stupid shit. Same thing goes for men. The difference is that women are more prone to emotional outbursts.
/r/TheRedPill27/07/16 04:23 PM
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Not once did I make it sound easy. I was simply pointing out that attractive individuals can do beta things that may indeed make them less attractive, but they will still ultimately have the upper hand over betas. That doesn't mean that unattractive people never have a chance to become attractive; it is something they have to work towards (for men, adding muscle, losing weight, etc.). I don't want to give advice to men that says, "Hey change the way you act, and it will make things click." That'…
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 08:59 PM
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It's more about who you are, than what you do. If women are attracted to you, you can give or get, it doesn't matter, the attraction is still there. If you're unattractive, nothing you do will improve your position.
/r/TheRedPill26/07/16 05:19 PM
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You've listed a few dozen reasons why you should stop doing everything you're doing. Assuming what you're telling me is true, you're pathetic. But pathetic people cling on to what they've got and don't change their circumstances unless something better comes along or something cataclysmic happens. My advice: Keep doing what you're doing. Husband might catch you, he might kill you. If that's not enough reason to stop, keep doing what you're doing. She might make your life a miserable hell and cla…
/r/TheRedPill22/07/16 08:36 PM
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Has any of Donald Trump's daughters been embroiled in any scandals? No. Why do you suppose that is? Because Donald Trump establishes his boundaries well and ensures that his daughters don't turn out that way. She may very well still be a hoe, but what's guaranteed is that she doesn't get exposed for it. That's the difference between say Ivanka Trump and Paris Hilton.
/r/TheRedPill22/07/16 02:48 AM
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All of Trump's daughters are a reflection of who he is. If his daughters grew up to be whores, it would reflect very poorly on him. That isn't to say that Ivanka can't be sexually charged, but if she were to be publicly outed as a slut, it would be a reflection of Donald's failure to establish boundaries. Case in point, Paris Hilton and any one of the Kardashians.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 09:54 PM
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The better advice for guys climbing out of the abyss is take the focus away from their wives, and put it back into themselves. The advice you gave is more suited for guys who are encountering some issues, but with more specific circumstances.
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 09:26 PM
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If she can afford it, she'll continue it so long as it remains better than the alternative. It's in essence much like a drug addiction. Most drugs will leave you feeling like shit after, but addicts continue to yearn for those extraordinary highs. The alternative is being sober, which is okay, but not great. Right now, taking up a boyfriend gives a bit of boost. It's meaningful primarily in the notion of, "hey look at why my new boyfriend got me." But for the women who have most of their needs m…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 09:20 PM
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A dominant man leads the way. Instead of telling her what to do or even asking her, he would lead his wife into the shower and be passionate about his actions. If a man tries this and his wife is not willing, it is rape. In which case, he must stop at all costs. In that situation, there would be more underlying issues to the relationship rather than, "she is not comfortable in the shower", etc. I know women pretty well, having experienced many that were very experienced to ones that were complet…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 09:07 PM
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Firstly, I do not subscribe to the MGTOW philosophy by any means. Secondly, the AF/BB strategy is only meaningful for women so long as having that beta enables her to gain access to more resources than her not having said beta around. Women that are fully resourced will strictly pursue alphas and keep the rest of men at bay (hence orbiters). You're correct, that time where women don't validate themselves through their relationship isn't right now. But that's why I clearly specified that at some …
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 08:48 PM
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I'm inclined to take that subreddit more seriously than TBP. With the relationships subreddit, even though the advice given is heavily biased and often erroneous, they base it off their own thought processes. Hence, I'm inclined to believe it is much reflective of society. When I do venture to theBluePill subreddit, it is simply insult flinging and petty namecalling without proposing any viable solutions. I'm inclined to believe that the people who have no particular affiliation are more incline…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 08:44 PM
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A good example is when men come to relationship threads asking for advice on how to handle their partners' emotional outbursts. The first few things that come up: "You should try to give her some more space, or you should support her more, or you should take more chores upon yourself to ease the burden off of her." Never is the advice, try to figure out what's going on. Did you actually screw up and deserve all the negativity that you are getting? Most men that have presented these problems, whe…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:47 PM
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I don't condone nor condemn cheating, but there a few guidelines everyone involved should follow: If you're the other guy/girl, you should be wary of things happening like in OP's post. You may get lucky and nothing happens, or you could end up lifeless in a ditch. If you're the one in the relationship cheating, same risk. But then again, you're most likely thinking impulsively and will do it regardless. I can't speak on behalf of women who cheat, but for men, you're much better off telling your…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 06:37 PM
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I'm not BP but there is more to an RP answer than just yes. The majority of men on this planet are worthless. They don't have much to offer. They are expendable. At a bare minimum, a man creates value when he has something to offer, and that is what a job is to men, value. If a man is unemployed, he has to provide other means of value, because by himself, he has no value. Is he attractive? Is he famous? If the answer to any of these is no, then he has essentially zero value. Simply being a good …
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 06:14 PM
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So in spite of everything that was wrong with the guy, the ultimate deal breaker was the fact that he could no longer support his partner. So what that means is that his drug addiction, his losses to said drug addiction and the endangerment of his family were inconsequential. Had he not been any of those things, it wouldn't have mattered, because all that would have mattered was his job. Really then, his drug addiction didn't define him. Because let's be honest, if I had a problem with drug abus…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:53 PM
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That is why they keep orbiters around them. They feed off the validation without having to have sex with them. If you give women more and more resources, they will have less need for men. There's already too many extra, unnecessary men. However, women aren't being offset enough resources to rid themselves of these orbiters, hence why they keep them around. At some point though, there will come a breaking point wherein men and women essentially isolate themselves, except for the few men at the to…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 05:37 PM
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That's what people don't understand. You are entitled to expect some basic things in a relationship. If those basic things aren't provided in a relationship, a man must make the decision to let go of the relationship, and he would not be wrong to do so. However, society chastises him for doing so, because they expect him to make sacrifices for his partner, not the other way around. If a woman has been a prude most of her life with a low libido, I wouldn't expect her to have sex much, and her par…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:33 PM
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The problem with TBP is that they believe that it is misogynistic to expect ANYTHING from your wife. You should simply love them for who they are, and take their faults as they come. That whole notion is lunacy. The corollary is that women should be accepting of all of a man's flaws, whether he's lazy, dumb, abusive, neglectful, etc. But we all know that isn't being espoused. So what is the reality of the BP message? Men should take their partners as they come, cherish them for whatever they hav…
/r/PurplePillDebate21/07/16 05:16 PM
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All of your arguments are idealistic. They don't play out to the real reality of things. When a wife starts working, if she's making more than her husband, there is a greater chance of divorce. Source Even if you choose an ugly wife, there's no guarantee that she won't ransack you for all you're worth. The notion that tight ass and pretty face means you'll get dominated is nonsense. Any woman is capable of ruining a man, and more often than not, they will ruin a man who is not capable of being a…
/r/TheRedPill21/07/16 04:26 PM
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Men with higher libidos, myself for instance, do not do well being tied down to one woman. I tried a few relationships like that, and got tired of it when I wanted my partner to become more and more attractive. The only workable solution for me then was to have my partner looking for other women to play with us.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/16 04:34 PM
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He never said he wasn't getting side pussy.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/16 04:32 PM
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As soon as we shift the majority of resources to women, the majority of men will no longer serve a purpose. We are heading towards John B Calhoun's realization with mice in a world where resources are nearly infinite, there are no predators, and the population is reaching critical mass.
/r/TheRedPill20/07/16 04:24 PM
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A lot of guys in your position will see how much better they fare than their counterparts from high school who never amounted to much. But likewise, they will all fall into the trap that is marriage and they will be forced to pay dearly for it. I hope for your sake that you aren't entangled in that mess. Because while that 30 year old virgin may be living a shit life, he doesn't have to walk around in a metaphorical leash and cuffs for the rest of his life.
/r/TheRedPill19/07/16 04:12 PM
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There are plenty of women out there that are better looking, better partners, better in bed, and better at cooking. They are out there, you just have to go find them. It wasn't explicitly stated but that was the intent. The 'right girl' doesn't imply unicorn, it implies best or better fit.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/16 11:06 PM
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You want to find something new, but: You want to find someone who has the same positive traits, but without the negative ones. You want a smooth transition. 2a. You are currently forced to live with her and don't want to deal with any possible negative outcomes. 2b. You don't want to deal with the responsibility of hurting someone. So your choice is to either accept what you have and stomach the negative aspects of a breakup, or suck it up and move on. It'll be an ugly transition, but a necessar…
/r/askTRP18/07/16 10:47 PM
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You wasted 3 years of her life already. You're doing her a disservice, you're preventing her from finding a man that wants her. You really think she's going to be less devastated the longer you wait? Her clock is ticking. You just pulled her off the market for her prime years. You said so yourself. She's a human being, she is capable of making her own decisions as much he is. The focus is on him. He is wasting his own time. It doesn't matter what the girl does with her life because she has made …
/r/askTRP18/07/16 10:39 PM
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If you're in a larger group, then it would make sense to stand your ground and assert your "no bullshit policy" but in most cases, you will be with the person in question by themselves. If you're dealing with someone who has no regard for public etiquette, then there is no doubt that nexting is the only solution. Most of everything is situational, but in general, the most effective way for men to communicate is by using less words to get a point across. Especially when dealing with women.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/16 10:11 PM
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Can't get a girl interested if she wasn't interested in you in the first place. That's why many people don't understand this tactic and end up asking, "I ignored her, how come she didn't show more interest in me?"
/r/TheRedPill18/07/16 10:06 PM
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Why do you believe it is necessary to have a middle ground? For starters, that line is overly worded. Secondly, if you're going to apologize about hurting someone's feelings, you should prepare another apology for calling them a child. You could just easily give them an "are you fucking serious?" look and dismiss their concerns. Many times more effective and pretty much says that you won't deal with this shit.
/r/TheRedPill18/07/16 09:50 PM
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An apology is an admission of guilt, whether you tone it sarcastically or not. When a girl wants you to apologize for something, she wants you to submit to her frame. By not apologizing, you're prioritizing your frame and it is left to her discretion if she wants to be in your frame. If a girl gives you shit for not apologizing, especially if it is something inconsequential, it is your responsibility to shut her down immediately. If there is no compliance, then you have to toss her back into the…
/r/TheRedPill18/07/16 06:50 PM
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The idea that the 'right' girl can be found just by looking is erroneous. You don't find the right girl - the right girl finds you, and then you decide whether you want to keep her around. You can find two girls - one who treats you like a god, and one who treats you like a peasant. So what would the difference be between the two? One finds you significantly more attractive than her, and the other finds you repulsive. Everything else about abundance in OP's statement is valid. But let's not get …
/r/TheRedPill18/07/16 06:44 PM
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The people that try to tell girls to meet them most likely have not established enough comfort. A lot of guys jump into this one thinking a girl will bite, but they usually don't, especially if the guy isn't attractive enough.
/r/askTRP18/07/16 04:38 PM
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I'm inclined to believe that most anything would have gotten you laid at that point. The problem all these other people are focusing on is more about how to approach a girl instead of understanding what they themselves have to offer (ie. do they look good, are they rich, etc.).
/r/askTRP18/07/16 04:36 PM
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I don't believe the intent is to subvert TRP. There is no real malice in the discussion. However, whenever I see a post about the MGTOW perspective and someone trying hard to convince me to go against the grain, I'm left with no choice but to believe that they are they trying to reaffirm their own position - hence, validation. Temporary monk mode is great for people that need direction, but in the grander scheme of things, unless you have low T or a low libido, permanent or even long-term monk m…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/16 10:19 PM
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You're trying to convince me that my urges to fuck women are pointless, but you're not doing a very good job. At the end of the day, I still want to fuck women, but as a human being, I'm more intelligent than the average chimpanzee and I realize that I have to have my priorities set straight. It is my own responsibility to handle my personal affairs, whether that is with regards to finances, health, etc. The onus is on men to figure out the balance to chasing women and taking care of themselves.…
/r/TheRedPill13/07/16 05:01 PM
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Even if you want to live life on your own terms, you'll still have to play within the confines of the sandbox that is presented to you. You don't just get to say "fuck it, today I am a playboy multi-millionaire". You gotta work for it. But your goal isn't to just work, it's how to do work efficiently so you get the most out of everything you want.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/16 04:48 PM
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If you're lonely because you aren't in a relationship, you have a much bigger void to worry about. Men get into relationships because they feel like they're going to get a consistent supply of sex. The further they get into the relationship, the more miserable they will become because not only will they not be getting sex, they will also have to put up with their partner's shitty personality and/or behavior.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/16 04:45 PM
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The takeaway is that he instilled dread in her by telling her about the female soccer team he encountered. But this guy is as trapped as it gets. Even guys who are fit and are possibly attractive can have shortcomings.
/r/TheRedPill13/07/16 04:42 PM
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Women have every right to reject a man's advances. But if they do, you have every right to pull away. No reason to continue giving a woman your time if she's not reciprocating interest. The problem I've seen with most newbies and chumps is that they THINK that they are showing a woman interest by either talking to her a lot or complimenting her a lot, but she doesn't reciprocate interest and they get butthurt. They don't realize that women show interest when a guy escalates with physical touch. …
/r/TheRedPill13/07/16 04:17 PM
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Modern dating is essentially no dating. You don't plan for dates, you plan for hangouts so to speak. Much like a hang out, you're participating in activities that provide you with entertainment. If you think doing something she will enjoy but you won't will impress her, you're wrong. You've got to be doing something you enjoy, but at the same time, not something where you cannot escalate. If she agrees to do something with you, it doesn't matter if she doesn't enjoy it, it matters if you can enj…
/r/TheRedPill12/07/16 10:09 PM
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The one thing most new TRP members don't quite understand is that TRP is not a support group. The ideology is there to give its members a sense of direction. The people are here to either learn, advise, or teach. This isn't group therapy. You may support your friends or your peers, but here it's about the grit and the grind. Like the good old days of competition and aggression, men talking shit to one another and besting one another, that is what this about. Sometimes the posts are ruthless or d…
/r/TheRedPill11/07/16 10:48 PM
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The guy made an effort but a poor one. In spite of the fact that he did the right thing by walking away, his post is full of sour grapes. Telling the RP community that he won because she's gonna go screw some other loser and bragging that he got laid in a wheelchair. There are some unresolved inferiority complex issues there. He's got quite a long way to go.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 09:15 PM
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She probably really really likes this guy, she just finds a thrill using him to fulfill her sexual kinks. to her he is actually very important. That is what you wrote above. That tells me that he isn't really special to her. And whether or not he is special to her is subjective and highly irrelevant. The point is that she is using him for her purposes. That doesn't make her sick. That's just her tending towards her true nature: to make use of the men she meets. Most women already do that. She is…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 06:51 PM
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That's the writer putting in her two cents. We all know the end purpose is manipulation, but if the women on Tinder are telling men they need their chores done, and the men blindly do it, then it is their own fault for being stupid. It's like fishing. Fishermen cast their bait and fish have the option of choosing to bite or not to bite. The fish that bites gets eaten. The woman on Tinder set her profile, and the fish took the bait.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 05:40 PM
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This brings us back to the concept of hypergamy: women are always looking to constantly move up. As /u/dr_warlock pointed out, by the time you've had the talk, it's a clear indicator that she's found a better suitor. She's telling you problems that she's had with you and what you could do to "alleviate her needs", but in reality, she's building up a case against you. She'll start by telling you that you need to do A for her. You do A for her but she's still upset and wants you to do B for her. T…
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 04:37 PM
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You're telling me this woman is sick, but at the same time you're telling others that this guy may be special to her. I'll tell you this: this is the epitome of women unleashed. Leave a woman in a state with no boundaries and tell her that it's okay to have sex with whomever, whenever and your partners should be comfortable with it, and this is what you get. She's not sick. She's simply in an environment where she has no repercussions for having sex with multiple guys.
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 04:01 PM
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I can guarantee you you're overthinking it. Girls get more of a kink out of cheating on their partners, but in this case, she knows that he is fully aware that she is fucking other guys. I can also guarantee that she is with him as a matter of convenience. He's nothing more than someone to bounce back to after getting plugged by other dudes. Of course she's happy to keep him around, how many guys would be like, "Yeah sure baby, go get all the penises you want!" and still stick around with her?
/r/TheRedPill08/07/16 03:58 PM
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She told him she got invited to a sex party. He let her go. He doesn't have a right to be angry when he refused to practice common sense. In fact, he should have doubled down in his position and invited himself to the sex party (assuming it wasn't just the 3 guys). But given that this guy was a little bitch from the start...
/r/TheRedPill07/07/16 11:45 PM
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The fact that she won't even attempt to feed you a bullshit answer like, "No, of course I wouldn't!" is a telling sign that she's not particularly attached. For a relationship to function properly for both parties, a man must be dominant and his partner must be submissive. The answer she gave you is a strong indication that she won't submit to your whims. Now if she was just a random trick you've met, she'd be saying it to test you. ... but if what you say is true and she is in fact your girlfri…
/r/TheRedPill07/07/16 10:38 PM
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